| 00:00.16 | DaSkreech__ | shinobi: ah what was the question? |
| 00:00.18 | Angelus | yeah i have kwin , like "kwin --replace: , but it doesnt have the 3d Cube like Compiz or things like that |
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| 00:00.26 | shinobi | Angelus what's the trouble with running beryl or compiz in kde? |
| 00:00.34 | DaSkreech__ | Angelus: do you have KDE4? |
| 00:00.46 | Angelus | no DaSkreech__ |
| 00:00.49 | shinobi | DaSkreech__ in the default kaddressbook/kontact setup, the vcard editing seems crippled |
| 00:00.56 | DaSkreech__ | shinobi: you lose a lot of the nice stuff that Kwin gives you I guess |
| 00:01.04 | DaSkreech__ | Angelus: there you go :) |
| 00:01.07 | Angelus | shinobi: no problem withit, just curious about it , and i just like to use only KDE stuff since im a great fan of KDE |
| 00:01.31 | shinobi | DaSkreech__ where are the main losses from kwin to say beryl? |
| 00:01.40 | twodogs | I've got a bluetooth avrcp remote but none of the media-keys or volume controls get passed to anything I'd expect them too... is there an application to route those keys to amarok and other applications like kaffine? |
| 00:02.03 | DaSkreech__ | shinobi: Individual window controls and small stuff doing with desktop management etc |
| 00:02.10 | Angelus | i never saw anything nicer then KDE |
| 00:02.24 | icwiener_ | a woman? :D |
| 00:02.26 | DaSkreech__ | It's just little things that you might notice. matters to some people doesn't to others |
| 00:02.29 | Angelus | so thats why i asked the question,. cause if probably KDE got something like Compiz it would be nicer |
| 00:02.29 | twodogs | Angelus - Except maybe kde + compiz-fusion ;) |
| 00:02.57 | DaSkreech__ | Angelus: Maybe :) but compiz has the mindshare right now so they will get loads of things |
| 00:03.09 | Angelus | oh |
| 00:03.14 | DaSkreech__ | that could be bad as I'm already starting to get overwhelmed with the options there and how many are useless |
| 00:03.23 | shinobi | love kde...love kde with beryl... |
| 00:03.39 | Angelus | beryl is dead shinobi |
| 00:03.40 | Angelus | :/ |
| 00:03.45 | Angelus | now its compiz-fusion |
| 00:03.48 | Liquid_Fire | it's not dead, it merged with compiz |
| 00:03.52 | DaSkreech__ | I swear that in a year You won't be able to type under compiz-fusion cause every key will be a shortcut for something the window manager catches |
| 00:04.02 | shinobi | Angelus but still beryl offers better functionality than compiz fusion |
| 00:04.08 | Angelus | lol DaSkreech__ |
| 00:04.20 | Angelus | no shinobi, not the version im using at least |
| 00:04.24 | Angelus | it has same pluggins as beryl |
| 00:04.25 | DaSkreech__ | F5? Oh so sorry that turns on smulated desktop record scratching |
| 00:04.28 | shinobi | which is that? |
| 00:04.38 | Angelus | 5.0.2 if im not mistaken |
| 00:04.41 | Angelus | or .4 |
| 00:04.43 | Angelus | :S |
| 00:04.48 | shinobi | is it worth to build compiz fusion from source then and replace my beryl? |
| 00:04.58 | Angelus | of course it is |
| 00:05.02 | DaSkreech__ | S initiates the windows into a cancan dance. ooouiiii!!!! |
| 00:05.09 | DaSkreech__ | shinobi: yes |
| 00:05.24 | DaSkreech__ | they have added at least 3 new things that are useful |
| 00:05.34 | DaSkreech__ | and they will do more in the next few weeks |
| 00:05.37 | shinobi | okay, well, in that case i guess i'll be onto it from now then |
| 00:05.43 | shinobi | no stability issues? |
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| 00:05.49 | DaSkreech__ | plus now you can fold up your windows and fly them around as paper airplanes |
| 00:05.55 | shinobi | woohoo |
| 00:06.00 | shinobi | i'm there |
| 00:06.06 | DaSkreech__ | I haven't seen stabilty but it sure is slow |
| 00:06.12 | shinobi | oh |
| 00:06.37 | Angelus | DaSkreech__: is kde4 beta stable? |
| 00:06.39 | shinobi | well, guess i could go back to beryl again if i don't like it |
| 00:07.00 | Liquid_Fire | will kwin4's compositing require XGL or stuff like that? |
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| 00:07.07 | DaSkreech__ | Angelus: enough |
| 00:07.10 | shinobi | so what's the suggestion on the bestsource to use for compiz-fusion? - just straight off the site? |
| 00:07.22 | DaSkreech__ | Beta2 is being tagged now so wait like two days |
| 00:07.32 | Angelus | shinobi: depending on what distribution you are using |
| 00:07.49 | Angelus | oh ok i'llgive it a try in 2 days then DaSkreech__ |
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| 00:08.23 | Angelus | im really adicted to KDE |
| 00:08.28 | Angelus | i even tried to install it on windows |
| 00:08.29 | Angelus | lol |
| 00:08.36 | Angelus | using cygwin |
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| 00:08.38 | DaSkreech__ | you probably can in KDE4 |
| 00:08.40 | Angelus | but itgave me |
| 00:08.50 | Angelus | *but it gave mesome bugs when i installed it on windows |
| 00:10.20 | shinobi | kubuntu feisty kde 3.5.6 |
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| 00:10.34 | Angelus | shinobi: no need to compile from source then |
| 00:11.16 | shinobi | Angelus ooo |
| 00:11.19 | Angelus | well shinobi youll have version 6 if you compile from source , but i found problems compiling fromsource , so the kubuntu guid is the bestt way . http://kubuntu.com , click on wiki and search for compiz |
| 00:11.33 | shinobi | great |
| 00:11.50 | shinobi | i'll give it a go. back in 30! |
| 00:12.24 | Angelus | ah also , when you search for compiz shinobi, there;s aguide to AIGLX(if using ATI) or XGL (if using NVIDIA) first read that guide and set one of them, the go back to the wiki and choose the compizfusion guid |
| 00:12.48 | Angelus | you should be ok, its easy to install |
| 00:13.05 | shinobi | Angelus cool. i have nvidia so should be good |
| 00:13.40 | Angelus | yeah then you should see the XGL guid firt shinobi not AIGLX guid, after you set the XGL , then use the compizfushion guide to install compiz fushion |
| 00:14.26 | Angelus | DaSkreech__: do i have to compile kde from source? or packages are available for kde4 ?? |
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| 00:15.05 | DaSkreech__ | Angelus: sorry? packages for what distro? |
| 00:15.17 | Angelus | kubuntu |
| 00:15.20 | shinobi | Angelus thanks i'm on it |
| 00:15.33 | Angelus | no problem shinobi |
| 00:17.04 | Bearcat | hey folks, i'm having an odd problem with kopete. I've looked for a bug report and not found one, but i wanted to ask in here before i did. |
| 00:17.11 | Bearcat | When ever i close and reopen kopete i have a bunch of duplicate, empty buddy entries. All of them, have a "cloudy" icon. Each time kopete gets opened, i get more and more of them. It slows kioete to a crawl. Has anyone ever seen this behavior before? |
| 00:17.53 | Bearcat | For what it's worth i'm using Wildfire and jabber transports |
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| 00:18.10 | shinobi | Angelus since i'm already running beryl, i have already the nvidia drivers and relevant xorg setup, that's okay for the glx hey? |
| 00:18.41 | Angelus | well ifyou got beryl to work shinobi,then you can just install compiz-fushion from the kubuntuguid |
| 00:19.10 | shinobi | Angelus great. that's what i thought, will disable the beryl stuff before i do all that though hey? |
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| 00:23.38 | DaSkreech__ | Angelus: at kubuntu.org there are instructions to install KDE4 |
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| 00:25.03 | shinobi | Angelus: any gpg keys for those dogfood repos? |
| 00:25.13 | shinobi | makes me nervous |
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| 00:27.40 | shinobi | Angelus...that seemed to work now |
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| 00:28.44 | shinobi | Angelus. am now running compiz-fusion. grin. |
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| 00:51.50 | rylin | how do you enable dual screen again? |
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| 00:52.37 | DaSkreech__ | shinobi: let me know when you get overwhelemed? |
| 00:53.13 | seria-mau | how can i prevent a kde4 installation in /usr/local from picking up .desktop files in /usr/share ? |
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| 00:53.38 | shinobi | DaSkreech__ uhhh...no i've figured out most of the settings. but i'm a little upset at the desktop cube |
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| 00:54.02 | DaSkreech__ | shinobi: put it to three desktops and you can make a pyramind that you can balance on the top |
| 00:54.02 | shinobi | DaSkreech__ i want my windows to be 3d and hover, and the tops of the cube to be empty |
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| 00:54.06 | DaSkreech__ | it's pretty funny |
| 00:54.12 | DaSkreech__ | shinobi: you can do that |
| 00:54.13 | rylin | anyone know? |
| 00:54.31 | seria-mau | and: what's this thing(?) at the bottom of my screen with this "this object could not be created" text in two boxes? i can't do anything with it |
| 00:54.58 | seria-mau | only moving this boxes around in this small horizontal stripe at the bottom |
| 00:55.17 | shinobi | i've got three |
| 00:55.34 | rylin | how do i enable dual screen? |
| 00:57.21 | DaSkreech__ | rylin: xinerama? |
| 00:57.56 | Mirrakor | anyone knows Frederik Schwarzer? |
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| 01:03.26 | deus | files in .kde/share/config almost all got root ownage |
| 01:03.33 | deus | is this suppose to be the way |
| 01:03.42 | deus | its meant tobe |
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| 01:04.22 | shinobi | DaSkreech__ hmm. not finding how to float my windows. also the cube looks mighty dark, can't see through it properly even at low opacities... |
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| 01:06.24 | deus | So tempted to just reinstall it all |
| 01:06.42 | DaSkreech__ | deus: no |
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| 01:06.56 | deus | DaSkreech__: who writes the conf files? |
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| 01:08.02 | shinobi | Angelus any ideas on the cube effects? |
| 01:08.06 | DaSkreech__ | The user |
| 01:08.39 | deus | DaSkreech__: yeah but the individual files |
| 01:08.50 | deus | i mean |
| 01:08.56 | DaSkreech__ | not sure |
| 01:08.57 | deus | the program makes the conf files? |
| 01:09.01 | DaSkreech__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:14.09 | Angelus | shinobi: yeah, there are pluggins to set it |
| 01:14.15 | Angelus | brb making some pizza dough |
| 01:14.48 | shinobi | Angelus so i need extra external plugins huh...same repos yeah... |
| 01:14.56 | Angelus | no shinobi |
| 01:15.01 | Angelus | you dont need extra pluggins |
| 01:15.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 01:15.15 | shinobi | Angelus the ones already in there? |
| 01:15.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm wondering how to turn off two specific KDE features |
| 01:15.21 | Angelus | yeah shinobi |
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| 01:15.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | First: Whatever app my mouse is hovering over, focus is switched to it |
| 01:15.32 | shinobi | Angelus pretty much covered all the options in the settings panel |
| 01:15.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I disable that? |
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| 01:15.54 | Angelus | there are 2 plugginsfor the qube shinobi , 1 , Desktop Cube, 2 Rotate Cube |
| 01:16.00 | Angelus | you can set everything there |
| 01:16.09 | shinobi | Angelus those are the two i was at |
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| 01:16.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | aseigo: Boo. :) |
| 01:16.25 | Angelus | shinobi: so yeah those are the 2 |
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| 01:16.31 | Angelus | i setted everything from there |
| 01:16.41 | Angelus | wanna see a screenshot? :P |
| 01:17.14 | shinobi | Angelus ooh yes |
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| 01:17.53 | shinobi | Angelus can you see through the cube well? i used to lay different video windows around the cube and be able to watch them through eachother |
| 01:19.09 | Angelus | shinobi: http://www.speedyshare.com/131837889.html |
| 01:19.33 | Angelus | now brb i have to make pizza dough, join compiz-fusion for help |
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| 01:23.08 | Angelus | ah aseigo |
| 01:23.11 | Angelus | i tried |
| 01:23.14 | Angelus | made 2hours loading |
| 01:23.19 | Angelus | then gave me an error |
| 01:23.20 | Angelus | :/ |
| 01:25.10 | shinobi | Angelus wow. you have some pretty hardcore skydrome and stuff. my cube usually floats in empty space quite large and all sides fully visible at the same time |
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| 01:27.53 | Digital_Pioneer | And it has been two weeks, I am back again; problem unchanged. (I haven't touched this computer in two weeks so it stands to reason that my problem is unchanged, but that doesn't fix the problem does it? :) |
| 01:28.33 | Digital_Pioneer | KDE 3.5.7, ArchLinux Don't Panic |
| 01:29.41 | Digital_Pioneer | Problem is chronic slowness to loading of K* apps and KDE itself (Which is really no more than a bunch of K* apps, isn't it? :P ). |
| 01:30.19 | Digital_Pioneer | Upon Kwin login: a looooooooooong delay (maybe 5-10 mins, haven't timed it) at "Initializing System Services" step |
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| 01:32.20 | Digital_Pioneer | Kicker appears, but I see nothing but a bar at the bottom with the picture it has for its BG. None of my panel items (taskbar, quicklaunch, systray, etc.) appears for a loooooong time (maybe 5-10 mins, haven't timed it) and all K* apps appear to idle for quite a while before doing anything at all (they don't even create windows for a long time) and FINALLY show up. |
| 01:33.01 | Digital_Pioneer | After a program finishes this unforgivably long loading period, it seems to function perfectly normally. |
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| 01:33.06 | Jucato | Digital_Pioneer: not really sure, but you might want to ask this in Arch Linux's support channel |
| 01:33.56 | Digital_Pioneer | Jucato: I'll go there if I can't get an answer here, of course. But this struck me as a KDE problem more than an Arch problem, but that could be a faulty diagnosis. I really don't know much. :( |
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| 01:34.37 | Jucato | it would be a KDE problem if all of us experienced the same thing. Unfortunately KDE here (Kubuntu and Debian) works fine |
| 01:35.17 | Digital_Pioneer | Jucato: OK, thanks. I'll ask Arch folks. :) |
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| 01:53.15 | Deformati | What causes "permission denied" whenever I go into media:/NEW VOLUME ? |
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| 01:54.54 | AhmedElGamil | may be u r not root |
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| 01:55.13 | Ze_M | whats Lubos lunak nick? |
| 01:55.42 | Jucato | Ze_M: Seli I think. in #kde-devel most probably |
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| 01:56.09 | Ze_M | Jucato: isnt there |
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| 01:56.27 | Ze_M | its impossible build kdebase form branch-3.5 due to last lubos changes in nsplugins dir |
| 01:56.32 | Jucato | then he isn't online then :) |
| 01:56.47 | Ze_M | seli: No such nick/channel |
| 01:56.51 | Jucato | better ask in #kde-devel some other people might know |
| 01:56.52 | Deformati | It was caused by fstab |
| 01:56.53 | Deformati | got it. |
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| 02:14.50 | smacnay | I am in the process of installing kde on my system... downloading the Deb stuff right now. |
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| 02:15.56 | Mirrakor | anyone of you knows something of English strings in German SuSE KDE 3.5.7 packages? |
| 02:16.41 | Jucato | #opensuse or #opensuse-kde |
| 02:17.46 | Mirrakor | Jucato: I already asked there, but it seems, noone is around, responding to this question. |
| 02:18.41 | Jucato | it would still be the place where you'll probably get the most relevant answer :) |
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| 02:20.31 | Mirrakor | me not neither, but they're asking on the German KDE-Translating-Mailinglist, I was wondering if you heared something here |
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| 03:03.00 | morghanphoenix | Hmm, appears to be no flame war going in here, maybe someone can help me delete the contents of an external hard drive? |
| 03:03.28 | morghanphoenix | Tried general linux and my distro allready, but people are too busy arguing to help :P |
| 03:03.29 | Thundercloud | All in favour of a internal vs external hard drive flame war? |
| 03:03.30 | Thundercloud | Nah |
| 03:03.49 | Thundercloud | morghanphoenix: What exactly is the problem? |
| 03:03.49 | Thundercloud | Does rm -rf not work? :P |
| 03:04.21 | morghanphoenix | rm: cannot lstat `./dos//corporation/▀╞█\177\033mⁿm.╖$m': Input/output error |
| 03:04.27 | Thundercloud | Uhoh |
| 03:04.40 | Thundercloud | Sounds to me like it's borked |
| 03:04.48 | Thundercloud | Input/output errors are quite a lot of the time physical problems |
| 03:04.57 | morghanphoenix | the drive is a month old |
| 03:05.09 | Thundercloud | You never know |
| 03:05.10 | Thundercloud | What distro you on? |
| 03:05.15 | morghanphoenix | fc6 |
| 03:05.24 | Thundercloud | Hrmm |
| 03:06.09 | Thundercloud | Do you have dostools? |
| 03:06.11 | Thundercloud | I'd probably run an fsck on the drive first, make sure that nothing physical is wrong with it |
| 03:06.11 | Thundercloud | Then, as Jucato says, format it |
| 03:06.11 | Thundercloud | (I'm assuming the drive is vfat) |
| 03:06.14 | morghanphoenix | maybe, need to keep it fat32 though for moving things over to windows |
| 03:06.19 | Jucato | what filesystem is the external drive using? I recall seeing those figures when my NTFS hard drive was corrupted |
| 03:06.25 | Jucato | ah fat32.. |
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| 03:07.17 | morghanphoenix | argh, device is busy |
| 03:07.48 | morghanphoenix | hmm, now what can be using it? |
| 03:07.51 | Thundercloud | Yeah, unmount it first :D |
| 03:08.04 | Thundercloud | You've got to run fsck and mkfs whilst the drive's unmounted |
| 03:09.13 | morghanphoenix | hmm, won't unmount |
| 03:09.30 | Thundercloud | Doesn't portend well |
| 03:09.33 | Thundercloud | Anyway, it's 4.10am |
| 03:09.37 | Thundercloud | I only came on to upload photos |
| 03:09.39 | Thundercloud | So i'm off to bed |
| 03:09.45 | Thundercloud | 'night, good luck with your problem |
| 03:10.44 | morghanphoenix | I hope so, maybe I'll need to take it back to best buy :( |
| 03:11.25 | morghanphoenix | Wierd though, all the files read and copy just fine |
| 03:11.35 | morghanphoenix | Just can't delete them |
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| 03:16.24 | morghanphoenix | dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN |
| 03:16.25 | morghanphoenix | There are differences between boot sector and its backup. |
| 03:16.25 | morghanphoenix | Differences: (offset:original/backup) |
| 03:16.25 | morghanphoenix | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.34 | morghanphoenix | Sorry for the little bit of spam there |
| 03:16.41 | morghanphoenix | Seemed a bit short to pastebin though |
| 03:18.23 | morghanphoenix | hmm, keeps putting files back that I deleted every time I use it with wondows. |
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| 03:20.57 | morghanphoenix | lots of long file name errors |
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| 03:24.11 | smileaf | yay for working cdrom drives .. >.> |
| 03:24.53 | Jucato | yay for smiling leaves! |
| 03:25.19 | smileaf | tried burning a dvd, got to almost 50% and the burn failed.. then I couldn't access any CD.. tried multiple Cds, tried rebooting nothing. |
| 03:25.27 | Jucato | ouch |
| 03:25.40 | Jucato | I hate hardware problems most of all |
| 03:25.49 | smileaf | So I tried a different Cdrom drive.. it sorta worked but not at all. |
| 03:26.09 | smileaf | just changed the IDE cable and now the spare cdrom drive I got is working great. |
| 03:26.09 | Jucato | like I said.... hardware :( |
| 03:26.14 | smileaf | ya |
| 03:26.31 | Jucato | I developed a phobia of hardware after getting shocked too many times |
| 03:26.38 | smileaf | hehe |
| 03:27.24 | smileaf | I've never had a cdrom drive go out on me like this. not to mention an IDE cable. |
| 03:28.14 | Jucato | both my drives (cd-rw and dvd-rom) don't open normally now.... on the DVD I have to use a pin.. |
| 03:28.27 | Jucato | I blame KDE... |
| 03:28.28 | Jucato | hehe |
| 03:28.31 | smileaf | XD |
| 03:28.39 | smileaf | I did burn that dvd using k3b =p |
| 03:28.46 | Jucato | heheh |
| 03:29.06 | Jucato | I thought they were going to rename it to k4b? |
| 03:29.15 | smileaf | maybe for kde4? =) |
| 03:29.19 | Jucato | heheh |
| 03:29.24 | Jucato | unless the 3 there means something else |
| 03:29.52 | smileaf | cd (rom, write, rewrite) ? |
| 03:30.04 | Jucato | hm.. |
| 03:30.09 | Jucato | nice try though hahaha |
| 03:30.22 | smileaf | =p |
| 03:30.38 | smileaf | uh oh.. cd is working. |
| 03:31.04 | Jucato | uh oh? |
| 03:31.09 | smileaf | 7th CD I've put in it. guess 7 isn't a lucky number anymore. |
| 03:31.12 | Jucato | I guess you'd be happier if it didn't? |
| 03:31.13 | Jucato | heheh |
| 03:31.21 | morghanphoenix | hmm cannot remove : Read-only file system |
| 03:31.30 | smileaf | oops.. isn't working* |
| 03:31.45 | Jucato | lol |
| 03:32.14 | morghanphoenix | now why would some old dos games and a few text files be read only when the whole rest of the drive wasn't |
| 03:32.17 | Jucato | hm... brb... |
| 03:32.25 | morghanphoenix | Is there a way to remove read only files? |
| 03:32.50 | smileaf | morghanphoenix: no |
| 03:33.04 | kc8hfi | hehehe |
| 03:33.07 | smileaf | if you could write to them (or over them) they wouldn't be read only =) |
| 03:33.08 | morghanphoenix | How about formatting a new fat32 file system? |
| 03:33.16 | smileaf | that'd do it tho. |
| 03:33.41 | morghanphoenix | now, how do I format /dev/sdb1 as a fresh fat32 file system? |
| 03:33.59 | smileaf | mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 =) |
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| 03:34.15 | morghanphoenix | need to be unmou nted first? |
| 03:34.24 | smileaf | yes |
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| 03:34.55 | morghanphoenix | mkfs.fat32 /dev/sdb1? |
| 03:34.56 | kc8hfi | i think he wants fat32, and not ext3 though |
| 03:35.08 | smileaf | kc8hfi: shhh~ |
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| 03:35.20 | kc8hfi | smileaf: oops, sorry |
| 03:35.23 | smileaf | lol |
| 03:35.26 | morghanphoenix | needs to transfer things to windows still unfortunatly |
| 03:35.32 | morghanphoenix | My wife still has xp |
| 03:35.50 | smileaf | morghanphoenix: at least its not vista =) |
| 03:36.22 | morghanphoenix | mkfs.ext2: invalid blocks count - /dev/sdb1 |
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| 03:36.45 | kc8hfi | oh man, vista. what a bunch of BS from microsoft. |
| 03:37.10 | morghanphoenix | Hmm, I don't mind windows, only the fact that everything I want to play is written for it :P |
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| 03:37.34 | smileaf | morghanphoenix: to be honest anytime I touch a FAT or NTFS partition I use windows for that. so no idea how to do it in linux :S |
| 03:37.35 | morghanphoenix | Now, if only everyone would start making mac and windows versions of thier games.... |
| 03:37.36 | kc8hfi | some games will work on linux, under wine |
| 03:37.44 | smacnay | install complete - what is the good photo management app in kde? |
| 03:37.57 | smileaf | digikam |
| 03:38.04 | morghanphoenix | Aye, and they patch them and then they don't work without a workaround or a patch for the patch :P |
| 03:38.04 | smacnay | that was it, thanks |
| 03:39.31 | morghanphoenix | so, what does that invalid block count error mean for me trying to delete everything from my drive? |
| 03:39.43 | kc8hfi | might wanna check the partition type with fdisk on that drive.... |
| 03:39.52 | morghanphoenix | hmm, I wonder if it will format on my wife's computer..... |
| 03:40.08 | smileaf | could always try it the hard way =) |
| 03:40.27 | smileaf | dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=/dev/zero |
| 03:40.50 | smileaf | or is it the other way... |
| 03:41.04 | kc8hfi | other way, if whould be /dev/zero |
| 03:41.13 | kc8hfi | be careful with that dd command though... |
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| 03:41.29 | kc8hfi | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sda. but DO NOT run this |
| 03:41.37 | kc8hfi | hehehe |
| 03:41.37 | smileaf | yah dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb1 |
| 03:41.54 | smacnay | apI wish digikam could import f-spot stuff. |
| 03:42.02 | smacnay | oops - "I wish" |
| 03:42.04 | mrigns | hi, is there a way to change the colour of the text of the mac style menu bar at the top of the screen? |
| 03:42.07 | smileaf | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/input/mouse |
| 03:42.21 | mrigns | only the text of the bar though |
| 03:42.25 | smileaf | heard that one does some crazy stuff =) |
| 03:42.25 | kc8hfi | mrigns: you running gnome?? |
| 03:42.27 | morghanphoenix | permission denied, as root then? |
| 03:42.37 | mrigns | kc8hfi,no, kde... |
| 03:42.39 | smileaf | morghanphoenix: yep |
| 03:43.07 | morghanphoenix | doing something now |
| 03:43.12 | mrigns | you can activate a menu bar at the top of the screen which shows the menu of the app which is active |
| 03:43.21 | smileaf | mrigns: it should use your window background color |
| 03:43.57 | mrigns | smileaf, I know it does, that's why I'm asking if it's possible to change it, and only for this bar |
| 03:43.59 | morghanphoenix | I use dd to make iso files out of playstation games so I can play them with pSX |
| 03:44.02 | mrigns | not all text |
| 03:44.25 | smileaf | mrigns: sure if you wanna hack the code a bit =) |
| 03:44.38 | mrigns | gnaaaa! :D |
| 03:44.58 | mrigns | I thought there's maybe a little option to set in a config file |
| 03:45.52 | morghanphoenix | wow, dd is still going, wonder how long it'll take for 160GB :P |
| 03:47.26 | smileaf | fun.. I have an unkillable process thanks to a cd read stall. now I can't eject my CD X.x;; |
| 03:47.44 | gnoob_ | Can I get kopete to pop up a notification each time someone sends me a message? |
| 03:48.21 | morghanphoenix | hmm, well, I guess now is the perfect time to go get something to eat. |
| 03:49.08 | smileaf | gnoob_: yep. |
| 03:49.22 | gnoob_ | smileaf; where am I missing that? |
| 03:49.51 | smileaf | you can have it show a bubble, or use the system notifications |
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| 03:50.43 | smileaf | gnoob_: the bubble option is under Behavior -> Events |
| 03:52.06 | gnoob_ | Hmm, under "devices" it's playing TV via my TV card. |
| 03:52.16 | smileaf | gnoob_: The other way is to go to kcontrol -> Sounds & Multimedia -> System Notifications -> in the combo box select Kopete Messenger -> Find the event 'An incomming message has been received' and finally check the message box one. |
| 03:52.40 | Jucato | smileaf: does he need to go that far? O.o |
| 03:53.13 | Jucato | Kopete has Settings -> COnfigure Notifications... |
| 03:53.40 | smileaf | o |
| 03:54.00 | Jucato | yeah... |
| 03:54.02 | gnoob_ | Under behavior I see 'Raise window on incoming message" I am not sure I want the chat window poping up. |
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| 03:54.55 | gnoob_ | Is the Configure Notifications only sounds? |
| 03:55.01 | Jucato | gnoob_: Settings -> Configure Notifications -> An incoming message has been received. click on the message box column |
| 03:55.02 | smileaf | nope |
| 03:55.07 | Jucato | the one with the i in the blue circle |
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| 03:55.32 | Jucato | no. Notifications are sounds, flashing taskbars, message boxes, and even execute scripts... |
| 03:55.44 | gnoob_ | Cool, thanks. |
| 03:55.46 | Jucato | that's why it's quite silly to put it under Sound & Multimedia :P |
| 03:56.45 | gnoob_ | Ah, works like a charm. |
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| 03:57.50 | gnoob_ | I am starting to like Kopete. |
| 03:58.05 | Jucato | good for you... |
| 03:58.05 | gnoob_ | I like how I can get the buddy list to autohide also. |
| 03:58.29 | gnoob_ | I used to use gaim. Jucato what do you use instead? |
| 03:58.38 | Jucato | kopete |
| 03:58.43 | Jucato | only because nothing is better :P |
| 03:58.50 | gnoob_ | Ha, nice |
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| 03:58.58 | mrigns | just get rid of your friends so you don't need any IM ;P |
| 03:59.02 | Jucato | I have issues with yahoo |
| 03:59.15 | Jucato | and a bit w/ google talk |
| 03:59.18 | gnoob_ | Does it keep logging off an on? |
| 03:59.23 | Jucato | that's one :) |
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| 04:00.20 | gnoob_ | I had that problem with gaim also. |
| 04:00.21 | Jucato | another is file sending. and another is chatrooms... |
| 04:00.32 | gnoob_ | Ah, I don't do any of that. |
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| 04:00.37 | Jucato | the logging on/off might be a server issue anyway |
| 04:00.44 | Jucato | er.. not chatrooms |
| 04:00.44 | gnoob_ | I always thought it was my ISP's fault that yahoo would time out. |
| 04:00.46 | Jucato | conferences |
| 04:01.26 | Jucato | but since I can't find any better KDE IM app, I'm sticking with Kopete |
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| 04:04.05 | oneforall | why is it with no screensaver on my monitor still goes blank |
| 04:04.14 | gnoob_ | power save |
| 04:04.24 | Jucato | hehe that was a fast answer :P |
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| 04:10.27 | oneforall | no thats not on either |
| 04:11.13 | oneforall | Enal display power management is the one you mean right ? |
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| 04:11.39 | gnoob_ | I think sometimes the BIOS will have power save options also. Have you checked that? |
| 04:12.16 | oneforall | well it never did it before but last couple of days it hjas |
| 04:12.41 | Roman | русскме есть? |
| 04:12.57 | oneforall | whats that |
| 04:13.25 | Roman | that i :) |
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| 04:14.26 | Roman | русских нет? |
| 04:14.27 | morghanphoenix | hmm, dd elapsed time 32 minutes? |
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| 04:15.57 | morghanphoenix | how lon does this take? |
| 04:16.02 | morghanphoenix | *long |
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| 04:17.47 | mrigns | Jucato, how's you packeging going? |
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| 04:24.07 | evan_ | whats the key combination to swtich desktops? |
| 04:24.11 | evan_ | ]/nick EvanR |
| 04:24.14 | evan_ | ]/nick EvanR2 |
| 04:25.02 | morghanphoenix | wc |
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| 04:32.21 | eternaleye | morghanphoenix: If you want a "status report" from dd, just 'kill -USR1' it |
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| 04:36.51 | seekwill | Hmm.. In Fedora, when I installed a new program, it would appear in the KDE menus. Now I'm in CentOS and it doesn't do that. Is there something I should be running to get that? |
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| 04:39.54 | gnoob_ | I think it's probably the package management in CentOS. |
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| 04:45.24 | seekwill | oh |
| 04:45.37 | seekwill | Thanks... :( |
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| 04:56.36 | D-Fender | how do i configure how much the volume changes by when i use the volume keys? |
| 04:57.55 | D-Fender | anyone? |
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| 05:08.33 | morghanphoenix | 8608085504 bytes (8.6 GB) copied, 5091.14 seconds, 1.7 MB/s |
| 05:08.47 | morghanphoenix | argh, 1hour 25 minutes |
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| 05:43.35 | D-Fender | how do i configure how much the volume changes by when i use the volume keys? |
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| 05:59.21 | blackvd | so this might seem obvious but i cant figure out how to change the color of the menu bar of my apps in kde. I changed the color scheme to pale grey but the menu bar stays red? |
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| 06:15.06 | jp | Anyone to help me configure wireless |
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| 06:15.49 | Bille_home | jp: ask your distro... |
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| 06:16.11 | jp | Soryy Bille i am new to this linux. What is distro? |
| 06:16.14 | Bille_home | blackvd: can you take a screenshot of your menu bar? |
| 06:16.38 | Bille_home | jp: SUSE, kubuntu, debian, fedora, pclinuxos.... |
| 06:16.43 | Jucato | jp: what flavor of Linux are you using? |
| 06:16.59 | jp | Bille: I am using Fedora 7 |
| 06:17.08 | Jucato | try asking in the #fedora channel |
| 06:17.16 | jp | Ok. Thanks |
| 06:17.28 | Bille_home | jp: they do the wireless bits, we just make it look nice :). good luck! |
| 06:17.37 | Jucato | hehehe |
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| 06:19.58 | Bille_home | good morning, to all the sabayon users! |
| 06:20.28 | Bille_home | hm, there's only 1. |
| 06:21.07 | sabayonlive-1413 | I"m here too ! |
| 06:21.31 | Bille_home | sabayonlive-1413: yeah i meant you. you were online before as -3040 so i thought there was a flock of you. |
| 06:22.33 | Jucato | haha |
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| 06:34.01 | bluelightning | my word... don't people have anything better to do than constantly complaining on the dot about their pet features not making it into KDE 4.0? |
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| 06:34.43 | Jucato | apparently not :( |
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| 06:35.19 | Jucato | hopefully the Dot will not turn into /. in the future... :( |
| 06:36.50 | bluelightning | fortunately digg and slashdot seem to keep most of the opinionated idiots occupied |
| 06:37.41 | bluelightning | I don't browse digg very often, and seeing the savaging that Krita got on there the other week I'm thinking that's probably a good thing |
| 06:38.26 | Jucato | the only reason I go to digg or slashdot is to get the link to the original articles, not to read the comments :) |
| 06:38.57 | bluelightning | I do read the comments on slashdot, occasionally they are useful / funny |
| 06:39.08 | bluelightning | unless it's a Linux-on-the-desktop article |
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| 06:50.19 | Siddharta | hello everybody |
| 06:52.58 | Siddharta | do you know if in kmail , there is a way to organize the mails by subject (group mail & answers) BUT with displaying from the last answer to the first? |
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| 07:06.21 | sugus67 | hi |
| 07:06.36 | sugus67 | how can I see the javascript console of konqueror? |
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| 07:12.14 | Bille_home | sugus67: if you don't get an answer, try asking later in #kde4-devel - most people are just waking up now. |
| 07:13.21 | Bille_home | Siddharta: I don't think the list view used is capable of such a "reverse tree" |
| 07:14.31 | Siddharta | well it would be useful, like this i could order by date (AND group by subject) |
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| 07:15.07 | Jucato | sugus67: I think you need to go to Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Java & Javascript -> Javascript tab -> Enable debugger |
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| 07:16.27 | Bille_home | Jucato: and, do you get a debugger console when you do that? |
| 07:17.01 | Jucato | afaik, yes. I'm not really sure. I just heard that question asked a couple of times before and those were the answers they got |
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| 07:38.48 | Ungi | hello anyone home? |
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| 07:43.02 | Ungi | my kicker gives me haedache |
| 07:44.56 | Jucato | how come? |
| 07:44.59 | Jucato | (kick it!) |
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| 07:46.40 | Ungi | dunno what i did, but there is a part missing. when i close amarok, there is the icon missing. also missing the icon for powersave. |
| 07:47.21 | Jucato | Ungi: you're missing the System Tray applet. Right-click on kicker -> Add Applet to Panel -> look for System Tray |
| 07:48.09 | Ungi | is there a reset for what i may have done? |
| 07:48.38 | Ungi | @jucato: also this point is missing in menue! |
| 07:48.44 | Jucato | there's no need to reset. just follow those instructions |
| 07:48.47 | Jucato | hm. |
| 07:49.19 | Jucato | are you sure you selected Add Applet to Panel (not Add Applications... 2 different things) |
| 07:49.38 | Jucato | a dialog box/window should pop up after choosing Add Applet to Panel |
| 07:50.28 | Ungi | (i´m german) there is a add applet to panel but no systemtray. |
| 07:50.44 | Ungi | i tried all the possibilities... |
| 07:51.01 | Jucato | what distro? |
| 07:51.06 | Ungi | kanotix |
| 07:51.22 | Jucato | hmm... |
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| 07:51.56 | Ungi | is there no reset for kicker (erease thr ".ini"-file? |
| 07:52.09 | Jucato | well I'm not german so I can't translate... but try this first. Right-click on kicker -> Remove from Panel -> Applet -> and see if System Tray is in that list |
| 07:52.50 | Ungi | the remove option is grey, there seems to be nothing removeable... |
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| 07:53.10 | Skrot- | Unlock Panel? |
| 07:53.19 | Jucato | er... no Skrot- |
| 07:53.23 | Skrot- | okay =) |
| 07:53.34 | Ungi | by the way: is unlocked |
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| 07:53.46 | Jucato | Ungi: unless you're prepared to lose every customization you've made to panel |
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| 07:54.06 | Jucato | go to ~/.kde/share/config/ and move/rename the file kickerrc |
| 07:54.28 | Jucato | then restart kicker by pressing Alt+F2 and using the command: dcop kicker kicker restart |
| 07:55.03 | Ungi | thanks i´ll give it a try |
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| 07:57.23 | Ungi | COOL.. Thanks a lot. may it help to conpare the files? |
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| 07:58.12 | Jucato | probably |
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| 07:58.59 | Ungi | you´re my hero for today Jucato. where on earth are you? |
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| 07:59.11 | Jucato | hahah a long way from Germany that's for sure :) |
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| 08:01.33 | Ungi | ok. thanks i´ll go to work now... |
| 08:01.56 | Jucato | hehe ok |
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| 08:24.00 | Anoninon | hi, is there a replacement thing for the systray volume icon ? |
| 08:24.15 | pinotree | kmix? |
| 08:24.28 | AmyRose | hi pinotree =3 |
| 08:24.36 | pinotree | 'lo |
| 08:24.44 | jpsalova | I use the panel applet |
| 08:24.56 | AmyRose | I use my laptop's volume knob |
| 08:24.59 | Anoninon | pinotree: I suppose so, "sound mixer". It looks like crap. |
| 08:25.01 | jpsalova | That shows alsamixer elements. |
| 08:25.11 | Anoninon | when even XFCE has a cooler volume icon you got a problem. |
| 08:25.21 | AmyRose | Anoninon: Why? I happen to like KDE's |
| 08:25.37 | Anoninon | AmyRose: does yours look like little vertical bars with fuzzy icons at the top? |
| 08:25.41 | Anoninon | it looks so 1992ish |
| 08:25.44 | jpsalova | Heh, the only problem with "sound mixer" is that it looks bad |
| 08:25.49 | jpsalova | But I use it, it's good. |
| 08:25.50 | AmyRose | Anoninon: No... |
| 08:25.57 | Anoninon | oh, what does yours look like ? |
| 08:25.59 | AmyRose | Anoninon: Mine looks like a speaker |
| 08:26.04 | Anoninon | jealous. |
| 08:26.12 | jpsalova | Well it's a different applet. |
| 08:26.43 | AmyRose | but I normally use my laptop's volume dial to set the volume |
| 08:26.53 | AmyRose | and my desktop machine's speakers have a knob too |
| 08:27.09 | Anoninon | So I need to aquire a different applet... |
| 08:27.17 | AmyRose | Anoninon: I'm using kmix |
| 08:27.31 | Anoninon | thanks |
| 08:27.46 | AmyRose | Anoninon: np |
| 08:28.13 | Anoninon | http://tinyurl.com/2bwp26 isn't cutting it. |
| 08:28.16 | Anoninon | :\ |
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| 08:28.47 | Anoninon | look at the distortion in the icons above the volume bars. my panel bar is set to normal size btw. |
| 08:28.55 | AmyRose | Anoninon: kmix is an application that sits in the system tray, rather than a panel applet ;) |
| 08:29.11 | Anoninon | ah I see. |
| 08:29.35 | Anoninon | I love KDE but I was disappointed to see some of their stuff, like the system monitor. |
| 08:29.56 | Anoninon | anyways, thanks for the tips. |
| 08:30.48 | AmyRose | heh, I've never bothered to use system monitors except when I need to kill a process |
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| 08:32.24 | Anoninon | :gone: |
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| 08:33.06 | AmyRose | pinotree: So why again are you using xpdf when it's got more holes than swiss cheese? |
| 08:33.08 | AmyRose | =P |
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| 08:33.21 | pinotree | because once there was no other choice |
| 08:33.43 | pinotree | and poppler development did not fit our timings, not our requirements |
| 08:36.20 | AmyRose | pinotree: So I take it oKular will continue to use xpdf? |
| 08:36.25 | pinotree | nope |
| 08:36.36 | AmyRose | No? |
| 08:37.04 | pinotree | we use poppler, we developed it to fit our needs |
| 08:37.36 | AmyRose | pinotree: I hope it won't have that font rendering glitch =P |
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| 08:40.30 | AmyRose | OK, this is weird--apparently the kpdf package in Kubuntu Feisty's KDE 3.5.7 package still depends on poppler even though it's not linked to it |
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| 08:45.29 | AmyRose | Jucato: KDE 3 not good enough for you? =3 |
| 08:45.42 | Jucato | it is. KDE 4 just might be better heheh |
| 08:45.58 | AmyRose | Jucato: Even though you don't like Dolphin? =P |
| 08:46.19 | Jucato | I can learn to like it. Though I just might not use it always :) |
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| 08:46.45 | AmyRose | haha |
| 08:47.08 | Jucato | Peter wasn't thinking of me when he made Dolphin :) |
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| 08:50.06 | Roobarb-Work | Running KDE 3.5.6, my screensaver doesn't seem to be honoring the "require password to stop" option - how do I fix this? |
| 08:50.07 | Roobarb-Work | if I manually lock my screen using the tray applet, it does need a password |
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| 08:50.46 | AmyRose | Jucato: But it is handy to have Dolphin when I want to configure Konqueror to behave as a web browser :D |
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| 08:51.06 | Jucato | fortunately, I configure Konqueror to behave as both :) |
| 08:51.23 | AmyRose | Roobarb-Work: Are you looking at the timeout value for the password prompt? |
| 08:51.31 | Jucato | so basically I only have one window of Konqi running... saves space on a 1024x768 laptop |
| 08:51.58 | AmyRose | Jucato: I have a 1024×768 tallscreen laptop too, but I don't mind having multiple taskbar entries =P |
| 08:52.00 | Roobarb-Work | AmyRose: its set to 60 seconds, but even after lunch I still don't need a password to unlock it |
| 08:52.14 | AmyRose | Roobarb-Work: Are you eating your lunch too quickly? =3 |
| 08:52.33 | Jucato | AmyRose: I usually only use the taskbar to glance at the running apps, not to switch to them |
| 08:52.46 | AmyRose | sorry, Roobarb-Work, I couldn't resist *laughs* |
| 08:52.52 | Jucato | except when the screen's very crowded |
| 08:53.01 | AmyRose | Jucato: I |
| 08:53.07 | AmyRose | darn it |
| 08:53.10 | Jucato | you? |
| 08:53.12 | AmyRose | lol |
| 08:53.13 | Jucato | :P |
| 08:53.18 | AmyRose | Jucato: I hit Enter instead of the apostrophe |
| 08:53.20 | Jucato | sorry couldn't resist :) |
| 08:53.30 | Jucato | I know. I do that a lot |
| 08:53.32 | AmyRose | Jucato: I am sorry for being mouse-addicted |
| 08:53.48 | AmyRose | =P |
| 08:53.57 | Jucato | I'm mouse addicted too... you didn't ask me how I switch windows |
| 08:54.05 | AmyRose | haha |
| 08:54.06 | AmyRose | OK |
| 08:54.18 | Jucato | I click on them... that's why I like extra space |
| 08:54.23 | Jucato | and I don't run windows maximized |
| 08:54.32 | AmyRose | Having in excess of 15 windows open makes my friends who use Windows surprised =P |
| 08:54.34 | Jucato | but sometimes I do press Alt+Tab mindlessly |
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| 08:55.12 | AmyRose | ironically, an OS called "Windows" seems to not like a lot of them open =P |
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| 08:55.48 | Jucato | it's not a multitasking OS, I heard |
| 08:55.49 | Jucato | heheh |
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| 08:56.10 | AmyRose | Jucato: Even though Microsoft claims Windows 95 and above have preemptive multitasking? =P |
| 08:57.03 | Jucato | yes it's preemptive. it preempts you "from" multitasking... |
| 08:57.13 | Jucato | anyway... really offtopic :P |
| 08:57.47 | AmyRose | haha |
| 08:57.50 | AmyRose | Jucato: You are so right |
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| 09:21.00 | ikrabbe | Just to ask if anyone has the same problems. After updating kde from 3.5.5 to 3.5.7 some programs have lost their configuration. For example kwallet doesn't display any wallets anymore nor can I introduce a new wallet, since the new wallet dialog wouldn't show anymore. (Distrbution Gentoo) |
| 09:21.49 | ikrabbe | Next Problem: Keyboard Shortcuts wouldn't get loaded on login. I have to disable them first and then enable them again to get them working. |
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| 09:24.25 | jpsalova | I've had trouble with shortcuts, but not that kind. |
| 09:24.34 | jpsalova | More like that they simply don't work. :) |
| 09:24.56 | maul | hi, how can I disable the bottom, left, and right window borders if the findow is maximized? |
| 09:25.04 | Jucato | ikrabbe: what happens when you try to run kwalletmanager manually? |
| 09:25.18 | ikrabbe | Jucato: It starts |
| 09:25.36 | Jucato | ikrabbe: and you can add a new wallet, etc? |
| 09:25.48 | ikrabbe | But it doesn't have any wallets nor can I add one |
| 09:25.53 | Jucato | ouch.. |
| 09:26.13 | Jucato | ikrabbe: just to be safe, you could probably ask in #gentoo or #gentoo-kde too |
| 09:26.28 | ikrabbe | If I want to add a new wallet and select the dialog in the menu the Menu just vanishes, but nothing else happens |
| 09:26.45 | ikrabbe | I would expect a new-wallet-dialog to appear |
| 09:26.53 | Jucato | maul: I think it depends on the window decoration being used. most of the common ones still display a window border even when maximized (which is silly) |
| 09:27.12 | maul | can you point me to one that doesn't? |
| 09:27.15 | Jucato | maul: not 10% sure though |
| 09:27.19 | Jucato | er... 100% |
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| 09:28.04 | ikrabbe | My friend experienced similar problems with the suse update |
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| 09:30.36 | Jucato | maul: I might be wrong after all. KControl -> Dekstop -> Window Behavior -> Moving tab -> disable Allow moving and resizing of maximized windows |
| 09:30.46 | Jucato | if i's already disabled, enable it, click Apply, and disable it again |
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| 09:32.02 | maul | yeah but this way I can't even move them with alt+left drag |
| 09:32.12 | maul | thanks anywa |
| 09:32.12 | maul | y |
| 09:32.17 | Jucato | hmm... |
| 09:32.36 | Jucato | so you want no borders when maximized, but you want to be able to move them when maximized? O.o |
| 09:32.43 | maul | why not? |
| 09:32.50 | maul | borders have nothing to do with moving the window |
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| 09:33.21 | Jucato | maybe they do, technically. dunno. I didn't code kwin |
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| 09:33.46 | maul | maybe in kde4.. :) |
| 09:35.59 | Mirrakor | huh? |
| 09:36.11 | Mirrakor | maximized = Full screen width?! |
| 09:36.50 | maul | and height |
| 09:37.04 | Mirrakor | yup, you know you can do that? |
| 09:37.06 | benJIman | Yeah I would like that too tbh. |
| 09:37.19 | benJIman | I have moving disabled so I can have buttons in corner, but not being able to move them is annoying. |
| 09:37.44 | Mirrakor | Maximize it and then press alt+f3 -> extended(?) -> no borders ? |
| 09:38.01 | Jucato | Mirrakor: that removes the borders completely |
| 09:38.08 | maul | Mirrakor, that's kind of annoying to do every time, and also removes the top border |
| 09:38.11 | Jucato | they're referring to the extra border pixels |
| 09:38.15 | Mirrakor | that's what maul wanted, isn't it? |
| 09:38.18 | maul | no |
| 09:38.24 | maul | I want to keep the top border |
| 09:38.33 | benJIman | Mirrakor: No,when you maximise a window with many window decorations the buttons move into the corners, so you can hit them easily. |
| 09:38.34 | Mirrakor | but remove the side borders? |
| 09:38.36 | maul | yes |
| 09:38.40 | maul | like it is now |
| 09:38.45 | maul | as Jucato said |
| 09:38.48 | benJIman | Mirrakor: Also the side borders dissappear so you can use the scroll-bar more easily. |
| 09:39.01 | maul | but I want to be able to move the window like this as well |
| 09:39.03 | benJIman | Mirrakor: It's all about making the important targets easier to hit. |
| 09:39.10 | maul | that too |
| 09:39.18 | Mirrakor | uhm.. okay :D |
| 09:39.57 | Mirrakor | I've no problems hitting something, but if I remember it right, they discussed this somewhere |
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| 09:51.20 | Simonko | hello all. i downloaded crystal diamond icons.. now i have some folders with icons but how can i install them? |
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| 09:52.18 | annma | Simonko: link to the webpage? |
| 09:52.31 | annma | so I can see what the install instructions are |
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| 09:52.43 | Simonko | there arent any |
| 09:52.53 | Simonko | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Crystal+Diamond+Icons?content=45576 |
| 09:52.59 | Jucato | http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/icons.html |
| 09:53.05 | Jucato | Simonko: ^^ |
| 09:53.13 | Jucato | annma!!!!!!!! |
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| 09:54.22 | annma | Simonko: what's your distro? |
| 09:54.25 | Simonko | fedora |
| 09:54.27 | Simonko | 7 |
| 09:54.28 | annma | hi Jucato :) |
| 09:54.46 | annma | there's a Fedora package Simonko |
| 09:54.53 | annma | did you try it? |
| 09:55.03 | Simonko | i downloaded |
| 09:55.11 | annma | and? |
| 09:55.17 | Simonko | KDE_Crystal_Diamond_2.7_Fedora_Mod.tar.gz |
| 09:55.22 | annma | ah lol |
| 09:55.28 | annma | no INSTALL file in it? |
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| 09:55.40 | Simonko | no |
| 09:55.41 | annma | why do we have stuff like that |
| 09:55.44 | Simonko | just folders with icons |
| 09:55.50 | annma | write the author and tell him |
| 09:55.50 | Simonko | and |
| 09:55.58 | Simonko | a index.desktop |
| 09:56.14 | SerpensV | Simonko: try using control center |
| 09:56.15 | Jucato | Simonko: there's an index.desktop? then you don't need to extract it |
| 09:56.20 | Jucato | see the link I gave above |
| 09:56.38 | annma | ah |
| 09:56.43 | Simonko | when i choose install new design |
| 09:56.44 | Simonko | it says |
| 09:56.47 | Simonko | not a valid file |
| 09:56.49 | annma | did you try Control Center then?* |
| 09:56.52 | Simonko | yes |
| 09:56.57 | annma | booo |
| 09:57.01 | Jucato | Simonko: new design? are you in the Icons section? |
| 09:57.07 | Jucato | not the Theme Manager |
| 09:57.16 | Simonko | yes |
| 09:57.30 | Simonko | i am there |
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| 09:58.15 | Jucato | Simonko: KControl -> Apperance & Themes -> Icons ? |
| 09:58.44 | Simonko | yes |
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| 09:58.51 | Jucato | wow it's downloading so slow |
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| 09:59.35 | annma | Jucato++++ |
| 10:00.16 | Simonko | how much time left? |
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| 10:00.38 | Jucato | you really want to know? :) |
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| 10:00.53 | annma | lol |
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| 10:01.06 | Simonko | yo |
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| 10:02.39 | Simonko | finished? |
| 10:02.51 | Jucato | :( |
| 10:03.01 | Jucato | sorry, know |
| 10:03.03 | Jucato | no |
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| 10:03.43 | Simonko | :) |
| 10:03.47 | Simonko | brb |
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| 10:06.57 | Jucato | on the up side... I just borked my newly installed kubuntu gutsy (beta) by installing GNOME on top of it. lol |
| 10:07.50 | annma | Jucato: lol |
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| 10:13.08 | Simonko | downloaded? |
| 10:13.29 | Jucato | lol this is getting stupid |
| 10:13.31 | Jucato | no :( |
| 10:13.41 | Jucato | what is wrong with this mirror!!! |
| 10:13.56 | Simonko | its in italy i think |
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| 10:14.51 | jpsalova | Too bad one can't really remove glib, gtk or anything. |
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| 10:15.11 | jpsalova | eventually there's always a program that requires something from another DE. |
| 10:15.12 | Jucato | gtk you can. glib.. that's a different thing I think |
| 10:15.36 | jpsalova | Probably yeah. |
| 10:15.46 | Simonko | what should a proper icon install file look like? |
| 10:16.28 | jpsalova | But like, no firefox without them, for example, I guess. |
| 10:16.35 | Jucato | Simonko: a .tar.gz |
| 10:16.45 | Simonko | ah |
| 10:16.47 | tosky | Simonko: I tried both the classic and the fedora mod, installed from the control center, and they work |
| 10:16.47 | Jucato | Simonko: you shouldn't extract it actually |
| 10:16.57 | Simonko | i extracted it bymyself |
| 10:16.58 | Simonko | ah ok |
| 10:16.59 | Jucato | I believe I mentioned that earlier |
| 10:17.01 | Simonko | now i got it |
| 10:17.01 | Jucato | grrr!!! |
| 10:17.06 | Jucato | XD |
| 10:17.26 | Simonko | lol it works |
| 10:17.32 | Jucato | rawr!!! |
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| 10:20.03 | Simonko | n how can i get the start bar |
| 10:20.07 | Simonko | to be like here http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Cremos+Domino?content=65052 |
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| 10:21.03 | Jucato | that's a different program. not part of KDE |
| 10:21.22 | Jucato | I think that's AWN or something |
| 10:21.53 | Simonko | ah |
| 10:22.10 | Jucato | you would have to search for it and install it |
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| 10:22.30 | Simonko | i am trying now |
| 10:22.39 | Jucato | now the download just finished... useless :( |
| 10:23.02 | Simonko | it stands for Avant Window Navigator |
| 10:23.13 | Jucato | oh there |
| 10:23.19 | Simonko | you can install those icons they look pretty cool |
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| 10:23.55 | Jucato | those aren't just icons though |
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| 10:24.04 | Simonko | what are they then? |
| 10:24.06 | Jucato | it's a whole new taskbar |
| 10:24.13 | Simonko | ah |
| 10:24.14 | Jucato | something to replace Kicker (the KDE panel) |
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| 10:31.33 | Simonko | i ve installed it |
| 10:32.30 | k0rq | are there any plans for supporting freedesktop.org's XDG spec in kde? |
| 10:32.47 | k0rq | for example storing konqueror cache in ~/.cache |
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| 10:33.50 | Jucato | probably ask in #kde4-devel but afaik there are XDG stuff that KDE already implements |
| 10:34.19 | k0rq | really? like what? |
| 10:34.30 | k0rq | thumbnails probably |
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| 10:34.42 | Jucato | XDG_CONFIG stuff, Trash, etc. |
| 10:34.51 | Jucato | you probably really need to ask a developer about those |
| 10:36.03 | Jucato | annma: would you believe. uninstalling GNOME lets me login to KDE again :) |
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| 10:40.00 | om_ | sabayon is the best linux distro around |
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| 10:40.54 | pinotree | om_: hmm. then? |
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| 10:42.51 | om_ | i just want to let you know guys hehe |
| 10:42.56 | om_ | i try every one |
| 10:43.04 | darkstego | how do I make KDE mount ntfs USB drives using the ntfs-3g drivers? |
| 10:43.31 | pinotree | kde asks hal to mount the devices |
| 10:44.11 | darkstego | pinotree: does KDE use pmount? |
| 10:44.20 | pinotree | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:47.59 | tosky | darkstego: maybe this one works: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HAL#Automount_NTFS_filesystems_with_write_support_.28ntfs-3g.29 |
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| 10:49.37 | d347hm4n | hi there everyone |
| 10:49.48 | d347hm4n | i'm having some trouble with my microphone |
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| 10:50.35 | d347hm4n | it doesn't work :D |
| 10:50.44 | d347hm4n | any suggestions |
| 10:50.56 | SerpensV | any details? |
| 10:51.00 | d347hm4n | the mic is on 1 in the alsamixer and the mic boost is on |
| 10:51.11 | darkstego | thanks, tosky |
| 10:52.11 | d347hm4n | i have a headset, in fedora 7 on an audigy 2 |
| 10:52.29 | d347hm4n | i have music but my mic is not working |
| 10:53.00 | d347hm4n | and there is a mic 2 in the alsamixer but that doesn't work either |
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| 10:54.34 | tosky | d347hm4n: you should "play" with the switches of the mixer... anyway this is not (should not be) a KDE-related problem |
| 10:55.19 | d347hm4n | tosky: i have played with the mixer and tried to record sound with all of the combos but no cigar |
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| 10:56.19 | d347hm4n | i have asked in #fedora-kde |
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| 11:00.34 | d347hm4n | wtf ot working :D |
| 11:02.30 | d347hm4n | i can hear me in my headphones but teamspeak can't hear me |
| 11:02.48 | tosky | d347hm4n: no idea, sorry :( |
| 11:02.48 | d347hm4n | i will ask in teamspeak on quake net |
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| 11:03.01 | d347hm4n | thanks for your time tosky :D |
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| 11:25.03 | lnx__ | what is the command to run the kde "speed" wizard that let you choose the preformance \ effects settings ? |
| 11:25.44 | SerpensV | lnx__:you mean kpersonalizer? |
| 11:29.14 | lnx__ | SerpensV , yes this is ! |
| 11:31.42 | lnx__ | and other thing , there is somrthing like geyes in kde ? |
| 11:33.26 | d347hm4n | where is the transparency setting for the k-menu |
| 11:33.32 | d347hm4n | i can;t find it |
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| 11:33.45 | pinotree | lnx__: like the eyes applet for the panel? |
| 11:33.47 | d347hm4n | i have a transparent taskbar but not menu |
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| 11:34.14 | lnx__ | pinotree , yes that follow the mouse |
| 11:34.34 | pinotree | right click on the panel -> add applet -> eyes |
| 11:34.50 | pinotree | if you don't have it, you might want to install the kicker applets from kdeaddons |
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| 11:38.53 | tosky | d347hm4n: Control Center, look for the "Style" module, "Effects" tab, "Menu effects" |
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| 11:45.30 | benJIman | Does anyone know why KDM gives exit code 0 when it fails to start? |
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| 11:55.30 | D-Fender1031 | how do i configure how much the volume changes by when i use the volume keys? |
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| 12:01.51 | Frogbarf | Does kwrite have autospellcheck? |
| 12:02.21 | Jucato | don't think so |
| 12:02.36 | Frogbarf | darn |
| 12:02.42 | D-Fender1031 | Jucato, is there an extension or something out there for it? |
| 12:02.48 | Jucato | manual spellcheck it does have |
| 12:02.59 | Jucato | D-Fender1031: not sure... sorry |
| 12:03.05 | Frogbarf | nice to know konversation does... wouldn't want to screw up your spelling on IRC.. no no no |
| 12:03.30 | D-Fender1031 | Jucato, do you know the answer to my previous question? |
| 12:03.55 | Jucato | D-Fender1031: sorry, no |
| 12:04.37 | Jucato | Sho_: don't Konvi and KWrite both use the same widget? KTextEdit or something? |
| 12:05.10 | Jucato | s/KWrite/KatePart/ |
| 12:05.21 | Sho_ | No, Konversation uses KTextBrowser and KWrite uses the Kate KPart |
| 12:05.44 | Jucato | bah... still need to learn my widgets :P |
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| 12:06.47 | D-Fender1031 | Sho_, what about you, you know how to configure how much the volume changes by when using volume keys? |
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| 12:08.46 | Sho_ | D-Fender1031: No, not from the top of my head. If you mean KMix' key bindings with "volume keys", I suggest looking at KMix' KConfigXT configuration file skeleton for relevant config file keys. |
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| 12:09.31 | Burps__ | hi |
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| 12:11.29 | D-Fender1031 | Sho_, what file would that be? |
| 12:11.54 | Sho_ | Most likely kmix.kcfg if there is one (hopefully KMix is ported to KConfigXT ..) |
| 12:12.00 | Burps__ | using KDE 3.5.5 (debian stable) : I used this page (http://www.silfreed.net/blog/398) to midofy the "tab-name' of my konsole to the host I'm connected to. But since that, when a command line is more than 1 line, it's totally fucked, then when I want to delete char, that goes upstairs (not sure I'm understandable) : do you know a fix to this ? |
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| 12:12.55 | basanta | suse uses kde right ? |
| 12:13.06 | Jucato | depends if you installed it with dke |
| 12:13.07 | Jucato | kde* |
| 12:13.11 | nixternal | dke? :) |
| 12:13.28 | nixternal | da kool environment :p |
| 12:14.09 | basanta | Jucato, it used to have kde in in CD versions right ? |
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| 12:15.35 | D-Fender1031 | Sho_, doesn't exist |
| 12:15.44 | Jucato | nixternal: heheh :P |
| 12:16.11 | Jucato | basanta: can't really say... I've only tried suse once or twice. using the dvd |
| 12:16.27 | basanta | Jucato, me too |
| 12:16.33 | basanta | Jucato, thanks anyway |
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| 12:17.12 | Frogbarf | I could use a box of them konversation widgets in kwrite/kate |
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| 12:19.50 | fedora_ | hi |
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| 12:20.32 | Sho_ | D-Fender1031: Looking at the KMix source code, the steps for increaseVolume() and decreaseVolume() are hard-coded |
| 12:20.37 | ThomasZ | any kde4 user know what this error means? "The KDE mediamanager is not running." |
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| 12:21.18 | Sho_ | ThomasZ: In KDE3, that would mean that the kded module that handles removable storage notification and media:/ is not running |
| 12:21.33 | Sho_ | ThomasZ: In KDE4, it might be leftover fallout from the port of that stuff to Solid |
| 12:26.07 | D-Fender1031 | Sho_, then why did it go by 10% before i upgraded and now it goes by 14? |
| 12:26.15 | D-Fender1031 | different code? |
| 12:27.21 | Sho_ | D-Fender1031: Perhaps you're not using KMix' key bindings but some other means to actuate the ALSA mixer levels? I wouldn't know |
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| 12:28.14 | Sho_ | D-Fender1031: The relevant KMix code is http://rafb.net/p/EKyBmb47.html anyway |
| 12:29.11 | ThomasZ | Sho_: thanks. Probably a bug then. |
| 12:29.28 | ThomasZ | its the first time I tried konq in trunk :) |
| 12:30.05 | Sho_ | ThomasZ: The Media Manager kded module used to be togglable in KDE Components -> Service Manager in KControl, but chances are that KCM is still fried in trunk ;) |
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| 12:31.32 | D-Fender1031 | well it's not that important |
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| 12:45.39 | Burps | no hint for my Konsole tab name ? |
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| 12:51.05 | Wofl | burps, what bout the tab? |
| 12:52.11 | Burps | using KDE 3.5.5 (debian stable) : I used this page (http://www.silfreed.net/blog/398) to midofy the "tab-name' of my konsole to the host I'm connected to. But since that, when a command line is more than 1 line, it's totally fucked, then when I want to delete char, that goes upstairs (not sure I'm understandable) : do you know a fix to this ? |
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| 12:55.44 | Burps | Wofl : just forget it : I had mistyped something, now everything seems OK |
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| 13:17.06 | smacnay | does or can digikam export to flickr or other web sites? |
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| 13:17.56 | Jucato | it has a Gallery(2) export. maybe flicker too? |
| 13:18.50 | Jucato | Yep. File -> Export -> Export to Flickr |
| 13:18.54 | Jucato | smacnay: ^^^ |
| 13:19.12 | smacnay | hmm, file-export shows a blank box. |
| 13:19.13 | Sho_ | The Flickr exporter is a kipi plugin, iirc |
| 13:19.16 | smacnay | ah |
| 13:19.18 | smacnay | thanks |
| 13:19.20 | Sho_ | I.e. you might have to install the "kipi-plugins" package |
| 13:19.21 | Jucato | ah yeah |
| 13:19.21 | smacnay | that might help |
| 13:19.29 | Jucato | heh sorry forgot we have it installed by default |
| 13:19.30 | Jucato | :/ |
| 13:19.32 | Sho_ | Or/And "digikamimageplugins" |
| 13:20.33 | Jucato | nah, kipi-plugins would do. don't have digikam plugins installed |
| 13:20.52 | smacnay | hmm, trying to add kipi-plugins and aptitude claims digikam is broken... some package mania going on here |
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| 13:21.03 | Sho_ | (digikamimageplugins was rolled into the digikam main package with 0.9.2 - but in earlier versions it exists separately) |
| 13:21.41 | Jucato | still 0.9.1 on Kubuntu 7.04 |
| 13:21.45 | EvilGuru | Where do KDE applications pick up my default char encoding from? As I wish to use UTF-8 as default as opposed to ISO 8859-1 |
| 13:22.26 | Thundercloud | I find the Export to flickr plugin doesn't work very well nowadays |
| 13:22.46 | smacnay | diikam shows up as being 0.9.2 here |
| 13:22.57 | Jucato | smacnay: distro? |
| 13:23.03 | Thundercloud | If you find the same, smacnay, you might want to look into kflickr, which is a lot better and has a kipi plugin available as well |
| 13:23.13 | smacnay | Jucato: deb testing |
| 13:23.15 | Thundercloud | Then again you might have to compile the damn kipi plugin, so maybe not. |
| 13:23.18 | Jucato | heh ok :) |
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| 13:31.48 | smacnay | hmm, klickr will not complete authorization for my flickr account... |
| 13:31.56 | smacnay | oops - kflickr |
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| 13:32.43 | smacnay | got it... |
| 13:32.52 | smacnay | didn't read the wen page result |
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| 13:34.08 | smacnay | what option in kde allows me to see small picture previews in the file manager pane? |
| 13:34.22 | EvilGuru | As currently Kate uses ISO 8859 (?) for all new documents |
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| 13:40.34 | Digital_Pioneer | Question: If my kbuildsycoca runs in a total of 3 or so seconds, and throws out a LOT of warnings about various stuff, did it work? |
| 13:40.39 | BlueG | I have two users with .face.icon files in their home directory, they work for one user and not the other. I can swap the files, and the picture for the other user shows up for the one whose .face.icon isn't working, but not vice-versa, so its not the pic. The pics have identical permissions. Could it have to do with the group ownership and permissions on the home directory itself? What should it be? |
| 13:40.55 | Digital_Pioneer | I thought kbuildsycoca took a while to run.... |
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| 13:42.11 | Digital_Pioneer | It looks like it says all of my mimetypes/servicetypes are undefined, and that sounds problematic. |
| 13:42.19 | pinotree | Digital_Pioneer: nope |
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| 13:42.22 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 13:43.03 | Ace2016 | anyone know how to make the desktop bigger than the screen size, e.g monitor res= 640x480 but the desktop res=1024x768 so that when you move the mouse to the edge you see more of the desktop??? |
| 13:43.04 | Digital_Pioneer | pinotree: And that means I have a serious problem. Perhaps (could I be so lucky?) the problem causing my slowness problem? |
| 13:43.28 | pinotree | Digital_Pioneer: nope again, kbuildsycoca has nothing to do with "slowness" |
| 13:43.35 | pinotree | it can take 5 seconds, and? |
| 13:43.40 | Digital_Pioneer | Ace2016: I've done that, hated it, found out how to change it back. |
| 13:43.48 | smacnay | Ace2016: there is a setting in the Xorg config file for this - I forget the syntax but it is in the smae area as the resolutions for your desktop |
| 13:44.01 | smacnay | maybe virtual or desktop or something |
| 13:44.02 | Jucato | I think the setting is "virtual"? |
| 13:44.07 | pinotree | Ace2016: #xorg |
| 13:44.14 | Jucato | and that :) |
| 13:44.17 | Ace2016 | i tried, everyone there is afk |
| 13:44.19 | smacnay | Ace2016: really easy to do, though |
| 13:44.27 | pinotree | Ace2016: not an excuse to ask here |
| 13:44.47 | Ace2016 | i thought kde had a program that did it, krandr or something |
| 13:44.49 | Digital_Pioneer | pinotree: I know kbuildsycoca has nothing to do with slowness, but if my sycoca is screwed up (Did I misinterpret what you meant when you said "Nope."? I thought you meant kbuildsycoca wasn't working) can't that cause other problems?? |
| 13:44.55 | Ace2016 | couldn't find it though |
| 13:45.07 | pinotree | Digital_Pioneer: apart what you think, what is the real problem? |
| 13:45.20 | smacnay | Ace2016: it will fall under the section "Screen" |
| 13:45.23 | pinotree | Ace2016: krandrtray changes the resolution, it does not do what you want |
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| 13:45.58 | Digital_Pioneer | pinotree: Same one I was here last night and two weeks ago for. Extreme slowness to K* app launching. They appear to idle for 5 mins or so before doing anything after I run them. |
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| 13:46.15 | smacnay | Ace2016: do a 'man xorg.conf' and / for virtual - the info is there. |
| 13:46.21 | smacnay | / |
| 13:46.21 | pinotree | Digital_Pioneer: are you running kde, or kde applications from let's say gnome? |
| 13:46.32 | Digital_Pioneer | pinotree: No. |
| 13:46.43 | Digital_Pioneer | pinotree: I run KDE from /etc/rc.d/kdm start :) |
| 13:46.53 | Digital_Pioneer | (That's KDM, which in turn runs KDE) |
| 13:46.59 | pinotree | that does not run kde, just a display manager |
| 13:47.12 | turnschuh | hello, are there any suggestions to port kde to Syllable? |
| 13:47.18 | Digital_Pioneer | Ehhh, when I login with KDM it launches my KDE, no? |
| 13:47.28 | pinotree | it could |
| 13:47.28 | Digital_Pioneer | Or have I misunderstood the whole mess of it? LOL |
| 13:47.36 | pinotree | i have gdm, and login to kde |
| 13:47.48 | pinotree | s/have/use/ |
| 13:47.49 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, well, I use KDM set to login to KDE. |
| 13:47.52 | pinotree | ok |
| 13:47.56 | smacnay | Ace2016: right under Subsecton "Display" you will add "Virtual" "XxY" |
| 13:48.08 | pinotree | try opening a console, and for example run konqueror |
| 13:48.23 | Ace2016 | oh cool i never knew about / i had to always read it all |
| 13:48.29 | Digital_Pioneer | pinotree: Are you assuming I have KDE running, or just plain X? |
| 13:48.46 | pinotree | Digital_Pioneer: i'm assuming what you reply me... |
| 13:49.33 | Digital_Pioneer | pinotree: Running Konq. from tty3 |
| 13:49.37 | pinotree | nono |
| 13:49.43 | Digital_Pioneer | ... |
| 13:49.50 | smacnay | Ace2016: you will see a line "Modes" in xorg.conf - make another below it like this: Virtual "XresxYres" |
| 13:49.52 | Jucato | console -> Konsole |
| 13:50.02 | pinotree | are you logged into kde/gnome/whatever? |
| 13:50.04 | Digital_Pioneer | Which is why I asked. |
| 13:50.23 | Digital_Pioneer | I'm logged into my ttys, no DEs at all. |
| 13:50.52 | Digital_Pioneer | All I've got running graphically is X. |
| 13:50.53 | pinotree | then, how are supposed to run X applications in a text console? |
| 13:51.09 | Digital_Pioneer | DISPLAY=:0 konqeror |
| 13:51.19 | pinotree | ok.. |
| 13:51.36 | pinotree | run it like: DISPLAY=:0 konqueror &>/dev/null & |
| 13:51.36 | Digital_Pioneer | It complains about DCOPclient and sits for a while. |
| 13:51.51 | pinotree | sure, it needs an X connection |
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| 13:52.01 | Ace2016 | X & DISPLAY=:0 konsole, then run kwin, then open a new tab and run whatever you want |
| 13:52.02 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, just ran.. |
| 13:52.39 | Digital_Pioneer | You don't understand.... It's gonna be a while before konqeror creates a window, GUI, etc. |
| 13:52.43 | Digital_Pioneer | That's my problem. |
| 13:53.25 | Ace2016 | Digital_Pioneer: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:53.39 | Digital_Pioneer | Ace2016: At the moment? Run Konqeror like I'm told to. |
| 13:53.46 | Ace2016 | why? |
| 13:53.55 | Digital_Pioneer | Because I was told to. |
| 13:54.28 | Digital_Pioneer | Sorry, I don't mean to be unco-operative, I just don't understand what you're asking. :( |
| 13:54.47 | Digital_Pioneer | (Konq. has still not created a window) |
| 13:55.06 | Ace2016 | wait do you have a second computer? |
| 13:55.25 | Digital_Pioneer | I have three, but one runs winblows and can't use my network for some unknown reason. :) |
| 13:55.41 | Digital_Pioneer | Why? |
| 13:55.55 | Digital_Pioneer | Konq. just created its window. |
| 13:55.59 | tosky | Digital_Pioneer: mmhh... maybe you can try "strace konqueror" and see where it stops |
| 13:56.00 | Digital_Pioneer | Now it'll work just fine. |
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| 13:56.56 | Digital_Pioneer | tosky: OK, this is the last line of output so far: |
| 13:57.04 | Digital_Pioneer | waitpid(25476, |
| 13:57.13 | Digital_Pioneer | That's it. |
| 13:57.27 | Digital_Pioneer | (Above that, there's a ton of output....) |
| 13:59.14 | tosky | I tried "strace konqueror" but I can't find any call to waitpid... probably because it's already loaded |
| 13:59.31 | tosky | Is it the same with other applications? |
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| 14:02.05 | Digital_Pioneer | Interesting. Konsole is not plagued by this stop of execution. |
| 14:02.52 | Digital_Pioneer | tosky: strace kate -- Last line so far... |
| 14:02.55 | Digital_Pioneer | connect(10, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(111), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16 |
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| 14:03.48 | tosky | Digital_Pioneer: mmh... 111 is the port of the sunrpc service |
| 14:04.33 | tosky | Do you use nfs or other services depending on portmap? |
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| 14:06.35 | turnschuh | hey dudes, there must be a port from kde to Syllable I think that is the fuckin future of Operating Systems, take a look @ wikipedia please: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllable_(operating_system) |
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| 14:09.09 | Digital_Pioneer | tosky: Uhhh, IDK. How do I find out? |
| 14:09.42 | Jucato | troy_!!!!! (with a tail) |
| 14:10.03 | Thundercloud | turnschuh: Haha, why? |
| 14:10.10 | Sho_ | <- trend setter |
| 14:10.13 | tosky | Digital_Pioneer: rpcinfo -p |
| 14:10.14 | Jucato | turnschuh: the very first problem is getting Qt on Syllable |
| 14:10.20 | Jucato | Sho_: hahah :) |
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| 14:10.37 | MinceR | turnschuh: nah, hurd is the future |
| 14:10.44 | Sho_ | the far, far future |
| 14:10.53 | Jucato | far, far, far, far |
| 14:11.02 | Qoiemh | Sho_: is it possible to set a custom ctcp version reply in konversation ? |
| 14:11.04 | Sho_ | Then again, Hurd does run X and KDE ;) |
| 14:11.04 | MinceR | far indeed. |
| 14:11.15 | Jucato | Qoiemh: I think so |
| 14:11.30 | Qoiemh | Jucato: I can't find the option to change it |
| 14:11.31 | Sho_ | Qoiemh: Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Behavior -> General -> [x] Use Custom Version Reply: ... |
| 14:11.39 | Jucato | :) |
| 14:11.46 | Jucato | he's soooo fast |
| 14:11.46 | Qoiemh | ah |
| 14:11.48 | Qoiemh | thanx |
| 14:11.52 | Thundercloud | From the wikipedia entry I can see absolutely _nothing_ to convince me this is anything special. |
| 14:11.56 | Qoiemh | dunno how I missed it |
| 14:11.58 | Digital_Pioneer | tosky: No such command as rcpinfo |
| 14:12.00 | Jucato | and to think he even used "[x]" :) |
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| 14:12.17 | metalfan | hi |
| 14:12.34 | metalfan | is there a 2d/3d cad kde program available? |
| 14:12.50 | Sho_ | There's QCad, but that only does 2d iirc |
| 14:12.51 | Jucato | qcad? |
| 14:13.31 | metalfan | ive found cycas (www.cycas.de) but the look and feel is just killling |
| 14:13.31 | smacnay | is there an ekiga equivalent in kde? |
| 14:13.51 | Qoiemh | metalfan: there's this one http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/VariCAD?content=11539&PHPSESSID=377b9a6c8ff7d9d627916d2e4b83bf23 |
| 14:14.16 | Qoiemh | but it doesn't seem to be a kde app |
| 14:15.02 | Qoiemh | but it seems to use the kde file dialogs |
| 14:15.20 | Sho_ | VariCad does use Qt |
| 14:15.40 | tosky | Digital_Pioneer: rpcinfo should be part of libc O_o... and if you execute "netstat -nap" (as root), can you see portmap ? |
| 14:15.55 | Jucato | wonder when they're going to do an audito of kde-apps and put the non-kde in qt-apps... |
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| 14:17.01 | Jucato | no problem really.just a bit overloaded again... |
| 14:17.06 | Jucato | <--- organization freak.. |
| 14:19.51 | metalfan | Qoiemh, looks good....just not free |
| 14:21.45 | Digital_Pioneer | tosky: No to the netstat -nap question. |
| 14:21.52 | Sho_ | Jucato: I mostly think that having users visit two pages instead of one is far worse than the misorganization of having some Qt-only apps on KDE-Apps given that Qt apps tend to be fine on KDE |
| 14:22.42 | logixoul | +1 |
| 14:22.56 | Jucato | Sho_: hm... true... but considering qt-apps is now there, and probably to sort of boost the qt community, I would think it would be advantageous for them... |
| 14:23.01 | Jucato | in any case, not my call anyway |
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| 14:23.31 | Sho_ | Jucato: Well on Linux the Qt community is basically equivalent to the KDE community ;) |
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| 14:23.57 | Jucato | how can I argue with that? :P |
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| 14:24.41 | MinceR | there was some weird kind of non-kde qt desktop environment somewhere, iirc |
| 14:24.54 | logixoul | qtopia |
| 14:24.58 | Jucato | O.o |
| 14:24.58 | metalfan | k3d looks just right, thx for help |
| 14:25.07 | MinceR | not qtopia |
| 14:25.15 | Jucato | metalfan: but you might want to go to #gnome for support on that one :) |
| 14:25.17 | MinceR | though qtopia qualifies too :) |
| 14:25.20 | Jucato | or #gtk,not really sure |
| 14:25.31 | metalfan | thx |
| 14:25.33 | m3ngl0th | how can i change language on sabayon? |
| 14:25.44 | Jucato | m3ngl0th: er... ask in #sabayon ? |
| 14:25.57 | logixoul | MinceR: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22qt+desktop+environment%22 |
| 14:26.07 | logixoul | MinceR: -> http://xqde.xiaprojects.com/ |
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| 14:26.22 | Jucato | is that even a desktop environment? hehehe |
| 14:26.36 | logixoul | "XQDE can be aligned on left, right, bottom ( top is working in progres)" |
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| 14:26.38 | turnschuh | Thundercloud: yeah maybe you right but Syllable trys to make a simple OS with the focus on the Desktop and GNU/Linux is more for the console... yeah maybe I was to enthusiastic with Syllable but I don't like the big fat monster Xorg... so perhaps is the future Xegl |
| 14:26.39 | logixoul | that says it all :P |
| 14:27.02 | Jucato | it's just a fancy name for what was once known as kxdocker... |
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| 14:27.16 | logixoul | apparently |
| 14:27.25 | MinceR | i do like that monster |
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| 14:27.48 | Sho_ | There was once a Windows XP GUI clone written in Delphi/Kylix, which uses Qt3 |
| 14:27.49 | kendwork | hey there. anyone know how to get kppp to _save_ the configuration i create? |
| 14:27.51 | Jucato | oh well... what's in a name... |
| 14:27.54 | tosky | Digital_Pioneer: mhh... how did this slowness start? Was it there since the first run? |
| 14:27.58 | MinceR | kendwork: xpde? |
| 14:28.08 | Sho_ | http://www.xpde.com/ I guess |
| 14:28.28 | Sho_ | I don't know if that's actually using Qt, but if it uses Delphi/Kylix it might |
| 14:28.48 | kendwork | i've got a sprint cellular modem, and it seems like i have to enter all of the info (ph#, modem device, username, password) every time :( |
| 14:28.57 | Jucato | oh that's not the Russian Linux distro |
| 14:29.08 | kendwork | i suppose what i SHOULD be doing is using pppd scripts, rather than kppp gui, but still |
| 14:29.19 | kendwork | MinceR: wrong nick :) |
| 14:29.56 | MinceR | oh, sorry :) |
| 14:30.01 | MinceR | didn't even notice |
| 14:30.42 | maki | how its going with KDE4 ? |
| 14:30.52 | Jucato | still going :) |
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| 14:31.39 | kendwork | hehe |
| 14:32.26 | kendwork | so noone know about kppp? |
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| 14:33.10 | maki | any pictures of current kde4 ? |
| 14:33.53 | MinceR | kendwork: it did automatically for me |
| 14:34.11 | nik11 | gamut: maki you can find some pictures on planetKDE |
| 14:34.24 | MinceR | i use kppp when i need gprs, but gprs is really expensive :) |
| 14:34.41 | asfak | i had tried kde4 live beta1, but unfortunately it didn't have pppd installed |
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| 14:35.19 | asfak | in india gprs cost us 40 cents per day unlimited |
| 14:35.25 | Digital_Pioneer | tosky: Sorry I'm so on-and-off... :] |
| 14:35.43 | kendwork | MinceR: well, maybe i "did something wrong" |
| 14:35.47 | MinceR | asfak: that's nice |
| 14:35.47 | kendwork | but i see no obvious 'Save' |
| 14:35.52 | tosky | Digital_Pioneer: me too :) |
| 14:35.53 | Digital_Pioneer | tosky: It started after I upgraded X to 1.3, so I downgraded back to 1.2 but it didn't fix it. |
| 14:35.56 | MinceR | kendwork: maybe the config file isn't writable? |
| 14:35.58 | kendwork | but whatever. i'll prob just figure out the pppd scripts |
| 14:36.05 | kendwork | MinceR: kppp is setuid, if that helps |
| 14:36.11 | kendwork | (kubuntu fiesty) |
| 14:36.41 | MinceR | then that shouldn't be a problem |
| 14:36.46 | MinceR | i'm on kubuntu feisty too |
| 14:37.19 | kendwork | where does the config file live? |
| 14:37.19 | Digital_Pioneer | tosky: So of course, I recognize that it's my own stupidity that caused it, but I'm hoping you kind folks can help me fix it. :) |
| 14:37.26 | kendwork | (having trouble finding w/ 'locate') |
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| 14:37.42 | kendwork | i see it in my /home/kendrick/.kde/share/config/kppprc |
| 14:38.00 | kendwork | i'll poke at it next time i log off and need to log back on :) |
| 14:38.02 | tosky | Digital_Pioneer: maybe you forgot some file around from 1.3... mmhh.... I don't know. |
| 14:38.05 | kendwork | thx MinceR |
| 14:38.43 | MinceR | kendwork: there's also something under ~/.kde/share/apps/kppp |
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| 14:39.17 | kendwork | i see a kppp.pid and an empty Rules directory. *shrug* |
| 14:39.23 | MinceR | hm, just logs and rules |
| 14:39.29 | MinceR | never mind then :) |
| 14:39.44 | asfak | kendwork, what actually u want to do. i have been Kppp +gprs user since 2-3 years and no problem saving any config.. |
| 14:40.08 | kendwork | asfak: i just want to not enter the account info every time i launch kppp :) |
| 14:40.59 | asfak | you never need to.... |
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| 14:41.17 | kendwork | asfak: tell that to my computer ;D |
| 14:41.49 | kendwork | the two times i've gone back into kppp since first setting it up, it shows me an empty pulldown menu |
| 14:41.52 | asfak | Once you get connected using an account info, it always saves that info automatically |
| 14:42.05 | kendwork | i had expected to see the name of the account i had made the first time |
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| 14:42.17 | kostja | hello! |
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| 14:42.42 | kendwork | anyway, i'll look at it later :) but thx |
| 14:42.44 | asfak | but get connected to net or your info shall be lost |
| 14:43.11 | asfak | similar thing happens in windows dialer |
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| 14:43.46 | kostja | When calling setIcon(QString &fileName) on a KAction. Where should the file called fileName be located and which file ending has it to have? |
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| 14:44.46 | kostja | ah, thank you! |
| 14:45.07 | pinotree | kostja: no ending, and some known icon path |
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| 14:45.46 | gentooer | i use gnome, but i have a couple KDE apps like ktorrent.. i have qt-3.3 installed, is there any reason to install qt-4.3? |
| 14:46.00 | pinotree | nope, as kde3 requires qt3 |
| 14:46.13 | gentooer | so qt4 won't make anything prettier? |
| 14:46.27 | pinotree | kostja: for example, setIcon("konqueror") will look for the konqueror icon in the current icon theme 8and eventually locally in the application icons) |
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| 14:46.38 | pinotree | gentooer: kde3 wants qt3 |
| 14:46.47 | pinotree | that means, it will ignore qt4 |
| 14:46.48 | gentooer | ok |
| 14:47.02 | gentooer | i see, thanks :) |
| 14:47.22 | kostja | pinotree: thank you! |
| 14:48.01 | kostja | gentooer: you can code with qt-4, if you have installed it :-) |
| 14:48.32 | pinotree | Jucato: the fault is mine, i started replying here |
| 14:48.35 | kostja | Jucato: it's okay |
| 14:48.47 | Jucato | :) |
| 14:49.01 | Jucato | nasty habit of redirecting everything everywhere :/ |
| 14:49.01 | kostja | and one other question. |
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| 14:49.18 | WorkRoey | hey all |
| 14:49.25 | kostja | is there a default symlink or anything to the current iconset? |
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| 14:49.50 | pinotree | hm? |
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| 14:50.11 | WorkRoey | hey pinotree, kostja :) |
| 14:50.25 | kostja | pinotree: where can I find the current iconset on my filesystem? |
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| 14:50.34 | kostja | WorkRoey: hello! |
| 14:50.34 | pinotree | $KDEDIR/share/icons |
| 14:50.46 | nik11 | hello all |
| 14:50.54 | kostja | pinotree: yes :-) |
| 14:50.56 | _fang | hello there!!! i'm trying to adjust the kde kicker to vertical orientation, but the plain clock (including date, day of week and seconds) gets cut because i'm using a tiny kicker |
| 14:51.08 | _fang | is there a way to change the orientation of the text of the clock??? |
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| 14:52.42 | nik11 | _fang: i don't think |
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| 14:53.29 | _fang | nik11: i see... ain't there no workarounds to display it properly??? |
| 14:53.40 | MinceR | you'll likely need a wide kicker if you align it vertically anyway |
| 14:56.01 | nik11 | how may i get the oxygen icons ? I see the pack at gnome-look |
| 14:56.29 | nik11 | are the icons done ? |
| 14:57.27 | _fang | okay!!! thanks!!! i'll try something here and let you know if i find anything useful enough =D |
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| 15:00.17 | kostja | mage previews of Oxygen are released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.5 License. This because we want to keep Oxygen fresh for KDE 4, that will be released sometime in the middle of 2006. |
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| 15:00.26 | kostja | I think you can't download them |
| 15:00.51 | Jucato | look in kde-look.org |
| 15:01.06 | D-Fender1031 | is there a kicker applet for audacious similar to the one for xmms? |
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| 15:01.10 | Jucato | but you can't download the KDE 4 icons and use them directly in KDE 3 |
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| 15:01.49 | nik11 | kostja: thanks for the explanation |
| 15:01.53 | seekwill | Hi. Is there some sort of "startup" script KDE uses when starting up? I need to load the vmware tools... |
| 15:02.13 | seekwill | But I can't stick it in rc.local because it needs to be ran in X |
| 15:03.16 | kostja | nik11: breathless is a very nice icon set |
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| 15:03.59 | kostja | seekwill: should this not be done by your init system? |
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| 15:04.21 | CydeWeys | Can anyone point me to some neat things I can install to snaz up my KDE desktop? |
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| 15:04.28 | CydeWeys | I feel like it's too boring and functional :-P |
| 15:04.32 | seekwill | kostja, I don't believe the init system runs it during X (which what I believe it needs to run in) |
| 15:04.38 | kostja | seekwill: create a script in ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 15:05.06 | seekwill | kostja, There's no way to do that before the user logs in? |
| 15:05.09 | Artimus | Has KDE4 fixed the problem where kio_file processes will lag down Kwin & Kicker? |
| 15:05.16 | kostja | CydeWeys: Try SuperKaramba |
| 15:05.53 | CydeWeys | kostja: Oooh, that's widgets and stuff, right? I have heard about it before. |
| 15:06.04 | kostja | seekwill: normally you can say the init system, which dependencies a scrip has, can't you? |
| 15:06.11 | CydeWeys | What about 3D window effects and such? |
| 15:06.28 | kostja | CydeWeys: look for compiz |
| 15:06.29 | CydeWeys | Or that nice feature that OS X has where it can display all currently running windows at a single time? |
| 15:06.40 | seekwill | heh, he's describing beryl |
| 15:06.55 | seekwill | kostja, Yeah, I thought so too... I'll try that autostart, thanks |
| 15:06.57 | kostja | beryl is dead, isn't it? |
| 15:07.00 | boom1992 | CydeWays: comes with KDE4 |
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| 15:07.18 | Aw0L | where is the kwallet information saved? |
| 15:07.21 | Sho_ | (And KDE4's version is cooler tham OS X', with type-ahead search) |
| 15:07.22 | seekwill | kostja, Merged with compiz |
| 15:07.29 | CydeWeys | boom1992: Ah drat, I only have KDE 3.5.7 installed. |
| 15:07.39 | kostja | seekwill: maybe you can figure out, how {x,k,g}dm can start it for you |
| 15:07.59 | boom1992 | CydeWeys: what distri do you use?? |
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| 15:08.15 | seekwill | Ah, kdm.. thanks |
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| 15:08.32 | kostja | CydeWeys: http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~kheil/screens/07_july_all.png |
| 15:08.38 | lnx_ | how i cam make the the tasks in the taskbar to have borders and not to fade ? |
| 15:08.48 | kostja | CydeWeys: http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~kheil/screens/07_july_all.png done with compiz |
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| 15:08.54 | Aw0L | kwallet information on kde 3.5.7 - I'm trying to pull it off of a remote host, but don't know what to download? any help? |
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| 15:09.17 | CydeWeys | boom1992: Gentoo |
| 15:09.43 | kostja | CydeWeys: emerge layman, add xeffets to repository and emerge compiz-fusion |
| 15:09.47 | boom1992 | CydeWeys: Oh, bad for KDE4 ;-) |
| 15:10.00 | Sho_ | boom1992: How so? |
| 15:10.12 | CydeWeys | Sho_: KDE4 is still marked ~x86 (experimental) in Gentoo. |
| 15:10.16 | kostja | the kde rep provides also the kde beta packages |
| 15:10.27 | Jucato | lnx_: right-click on the panel -> Configure Panel -> Taskbar then Appearance from Elegent to Classic |
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| 15:10.32 | Sho_ | CydeWeys: KDE 4 hasn't been released yet, so it isn't marked stable on any distribution |
| 15:11.03 | CydeWeys | Sho_: Oh, good point. |
| 15:12.13 | CydeWeys | kostja: So compiz-fusion isn't in the regular portage branch; I need to get it elsewhere? |
| 15:12.36 | Sho_ | Compiz Fusion, too, hasn't had a stable release yet, so it's in an overlay |
| 15:12.48 | kostja | CydeWeys: emerge layman and do: layman -a xeffects |
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| 15:13.20 | kostja | but you can also try adding the kde overlay and emerge the kde4 beta |
| 15:13.38 | CydeWeys | How "experimental" is KDE4 right now? |
| 15:13.53 | boom1992 | CydeWeys: Very :-( |
| 15:13.59 | boom1992 | But okular works fine :-) |
| 15:14.03 | CydeWeys | Darn, it's probably not for me then. |
| 15:14.16 | CydeWeys | I need something that works. This is my work PC. |
| 15:14.17 | oneforall | darn this monitor still blanks out . energy management is off and no screen saver |
| 15:14.18 | Sho_ | CydeWeys: The window manager, however, is working quite well and happily managing my KDE 3 session |
| 15:14.37 | pinotree | boom1992: :D |
| 15:15.08 | CydeWeys | Maybe this is a silly question, but .. why does Gnome put toolbars along both the top and bottom of the screen? |
| 15:15.09 | boom1992 | pinotree: Hey, you've done very cool work in the last months. Thx |
| 15:15.13 | CydeWeys | It makes me feel like I'm hemmed in. |
| 15:15.20 | Sho_ | CydeWeys: ask in #gnome ;) |
| 15:15.23 | lnx_ | Jucato , i can also disable the fade ? |
| 15:15.38 | CydeWeys | Sho_: I dunno if I want to talk to anyone who thinks that's a good design :-/ |
| 15:15.39 | kostja | CydeWeys: Because it is done in MacOs X |
| 15:15.57 | pinotree | boom1992: it's not me you should thank, but yourself, as the work done by the other okular developers and by me would be unuseful without you users |
| 15:16.23 | Sho_ | kostja: Well that's not entirely fair ... their panel setup isn't really a clone of OS X' |
| 15:16.53 | boom1992 | pinotree: :-D |
| 15:16.54 | pinotree | boom1992: so, thank you :) |
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| 15:17.26 | kostja | is okular a pure kde4 application? or can I build it for kde 3? |
| 15:17.33 | pinotree | nope, kde4 only |
| 15:17.50 | kostja | does it support more formats than kpdf? |
| 15:18.03 | boom1992 | kostja: yes |
| 15:18.10 | pinotree | kostja: http://okular.kde.org/formats.php |
| 15:18.14 | kostja | is it a kind of that app gnome has? |
| 15:18.21 | kostja | something with e... |
| 15:18.24 | CydeWeys | Neat that Okular started as a Google Summer of Code project. |
| 15:18.26 | boom1992 | kostja: better :-D |
| 15:18.27 | kostja | I can't remember |
| 15:18.28 | pinotree | evince? |
| 15:18.31 | kostja | yes |
| 15:18.43 | kostja | :-D |
| 15:20.11 | kostja | where to start getting familar with the kdelibs? I've worked with Qt allready |
| 15:20.41 | Sho_ | http://techbase.kde.org/ & http://api.kde.org/ |
| 15:20.55 | kostja | thank you |
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| 15:22.15 | smileaf | develop the tools to make developing the tools easier ;) |
| 15:22.31 | Jucato | kinda cycle-66 for me hehehe |
| 15:22.31 | kostja | is there a kde4 build script? I don't like to build all packages manually |
| 15:22.35 | Jucato | er.. catch 22 |
| 15:22.36 | Jucato | lol |
| 15:22.42 | stoned | what exactly is catch 22? |
| 15:23.01 | Jucato | stoned: something circular... like A requires B, but B requires A... |
| 15:23.03 | smileaf | stoned: the 22nd fish you've caught for the day? =) |
| 15:23.03 | Sho_ | kostja: http://kdesvn-build.kde.org/ |
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| 15:23.12 | kostja | <flame>VIm forever!</flame> |
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| 15:23.29 | smileaf | kostja: good place for it.. in the flame ;) |
| 15:23.39 | kostja | I know! :-) |
| 15:24.02 | kostja | anybody using Emacs here? I break my fingers, hitting the shortcuts there |
| 15:24.39 | Jucato | vim... |
| 15:24.40 | CydeWeys | kostja: Switch caps lock an dCtrl? |
| 15:24.49 | Jucato | Sho_: you know, I never got to try emacs up to now :) |
| 15:24.52 | stoned | oh |
| 15:25.09 | stoned | you mean like you need job to get experiece, but you can't get a job without experience? |
| 15:25.09 | Jucato | although after reading Stallman's biography (Free as in Freedom), I grew quite interested in it |
| 15:25.24 | kostja | :-D |
| 15:25.37 | stoned | sorry we can't hire you, you have no experience |
| 15:25.45 | stoned | well duh, i need a job so i can GET expeience |
| 15:25.48 | Jucato | stoned: or, like in Kubuntu, wireless driver requiring build-essential to compile and connect, but build-essential requiring internet to download |
| 15:25.49 | stoned | i think i understand |
| 15:26.13 | CydeWeys | Jucato: That's what sneakernets are for. |
| 15:26.47 | MinceR | my IDE is a gvim window and an urxvt window :> |
| 15:26.50 | MinceR | (sometimes more) |
| 15:27.03 | MinceR | s/an /a / |
| 15:27.11 | CydeWeys | Your IDE is a seemingly random collection of letters. |
| 15:27.20 | Sho_ | vim in Konsole/Yakuake for me |
| 15:27.28 | Jucato | did I spell that right? |
| 15:27.35 | Sho_ | yes |
| 15:27.52 | Jucato | oooh Sho_ speaking of Yakuake |
| 15:28.07 | Jucato | there was a slight rumor I heard that Yakuake won't be ported :) |
| 15:28.22 | Sho_ | Jucato: That would be news to me |
| 15:28.40 | Jucato | Sho_: I think the reason was that "because Konsole is now better) |
| 15:28.59 | Sho_ | Jucato: Sounds like DaSkreech |
| 15:29.19 | Jucato | hah |
| 15:29.25 | Jucato | wouldn't be surprised :P |
| 15:33.26 | maki | Konsole can work the same as yakuake? |
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| 15:34.03 | Jucato | yakuake actually uses konsolepart |
| 15:34.10 | Sho_ | maki: No, it can't. |
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| 15:34.34 | maki | i mean would it be able to work hidden an slide on push of a button? |
| 15:34.45 | Sho_ | Nope. |
| 15:34.48 | Jucato | what that person was trying to imply was that Konsole 4 would sort of make Yakuake unnecessary (which isn't true) |
| 15:35.26 | Sho_ | Jucato: Robert added a global shortcut action to the KDE 4 version of Konsole that brings up a Konsole window, which isn't really "like Yakuake" but was apparently understood as such by your rumor monger ;) |
| 15:36.22 | Jucato | well, Konsole 1) can't roll down and not take up space on the screen/desktop 2) can't be themed 3) and isn't developed by Sho_ :P |
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| 15:36.33 | Jucato | that tells me Yakuake's here to stay :D |
| 15:37.18 | Jucato | heh funny thing the other day, someone was worried that he was missing repositories, because he couldn't install yaquake |
| 15:37.42 | Roey | Jucato: if you set Konsole to shade, that fixes (1), no? |
| 15:37.49 | Roey | (hey Jucato :) |
| 15:37.57 | Jucato | (hi Roey!!) |
| 15:38.00 | Jucato | not quite... |
| 15:38.01 | Sho_ | Jucato: I have no intention not to port it anyway ... it's not like it's a massive amount of work, and the KonsolePart technology in KDE4 is actually more conducive to it since it fixes a fair share of problems/limitations with it that Yakuake has encountered |
| 15:38.24 | Sho_ | Roey: Shading a window doesn't remove it from Alt+Tab, the taksbar or the pager |
| 15:38.29 | Roey | ok |
| 15:38.35 | Roey | (I dunno, I haven't used yakuake at all) |
| 15:38.45 | Jucato | and shading can be annoying when you dialog boxes appear |
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| 15:39.05 | Qoiemh | Roey: yakuake works just like the consoles in the quake games |
| 15:39.09 | Roey | Sho_: how do you know that yakuake is running if it does not appear in the tray or taskbar?? |
| 15:39.13 | Roey | Qoiemh: ok |
| 15:39.26 | Jucato | Roey: it's always running in the background once you start it |
| 15:39.29 | Sho_ | Roey: Most likely because you put it in your autostart and can assume that it runs ;) |
| 15:39.33 | Roey | Qoiemh: I figured it does; so there's only /one/ yakuake console for the entire session, right? |
| 15:39.35 | Jucato | background I mean background process |
| 15:39.41 | Jucato | yes |
| 15:39.44 | Roey | ok |
| 15:39.46 | Jucato | Yakuakde does tabs too :) |
| 15:39.50 | Sho_ | Roey: With tabs and (unlike Konsole in KDE3) horizontal/vertical splits |
| 15:39.55 | Jucato | in fact, the new beta does splits |
| 15:39.56 | Jucato | bah |
| 15:39.59 | Jucato | beat me |
| 15:40.02 | Roey | I'm just trying to think of how it'd be different for me than Konsole, but that's taking this discussion off-course |
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| 15:40.19 | Roey | Doesn't yakuake use Konsole as a kpart?? |
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| 15:40.28 | Roey | madclicker: heya :) |
| 15:40.35 | Sho_ | Roey: It does |
| 15:40.38 | Roey | oh, ok then. |
| 15:41.03 | Sho_ | Roey: See http://www.kde-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/29153-1.jpg and http://www.kde-apps.orghttp://www.kde-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/29153-2.jpg/CONTENT/content-pre2/29153-2.jpg |
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| 15:41.50 | Sho_ | Jucato: Unfortunately porting Konvi takes more than the couple of hours that porting Yakuake does ;) |
| 15:42.04 | Jucato | I could only imagine the amount of work |
| 15:42.06 | basic_ | hi everyone.. does anyone know where the doc is ? http://docs.kde.org/ is a blank page ? |
| 15:42.15 | Jucato | don't worry, I'll be cheering you on! :) |
| 15:42.21 | Twentyfour | speack french ? |
| 15:42.27 | Sho_ | Jucato: Konversation's code isn't exactly complicated, but there's a lot of it (50-60k loc) |
| 15:42.29 | Jucato | something wrong with the site since a few hours ago |
| 15:42.40 | Jucato | basic_: what are you looking for? |
| 15:42.41 | Roey | OK |
| 15:43.02 | basic_ | Jucato, docs for kchmviewer, especially kbd shortcuts. |
| 15:43.05 | Roey | Sho_: I'm trying it out now in fact. But it's not at all transparent (but then, I don't have an nvidia card here capable of doing this) |
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| 15:43.21 | Jucato | basic_: hm... I don't think kchmviewer would be there |
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| 15:43.42 | Jucato | Roey: You can set it to use (fake) transparency just like Konsole |
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| 15:43.57 | basic_ | Jucato, i couldn't find any doc for it either on the website or google or my distro... |
| 15:43.59 | Jucato | since it uses konsolepart, every konsole setting is available there |
| 15:44.01 | Sho_ | Roey: It uses the normal kdelibs pseudo-translucency implementation, just like Konsole - pick the right scheme from the KPart's context menu |
| 15:44.05 | Roey | Sho_: btw, regarding Konvi... I'll use it if I can set the logging format to my taste |
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| 15:44.22 | Jucato | don't tell me you prefer XML logs/!?! O.o |
| 15:44.22 | Roey | Jucato, Sho_: ok, thanks |
| 15:44.26 | Roey | Jucato: nonono |
| 15:44.29 | Roey | Jucato: heh |
| 15:44.29 | Jucato | hehehe |
| 15:44.39 | Sho_ | Roey: Where does that obsession with the logging format come from, anyway? ;) |
| 15:45.30 | Roey | Jucato: my logs loook like this: 20070830 11:43:46 <Sho_> Roey: Where does that obsession with the logging format come from, anyway? ;) |
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| 15:45.57 | Jucato | Roey: if you saw Kopete's logs... |
| 15:46.03 | Roey | Sho_: Because I (a) make tools to facilitate searching through it; (b) read it myself and hence need to have a good time stamp |
| 15:46.25 | Jucato | Roey: have you seen Konvi's log viewer? pretty nifty Find bar |
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| 15:46.50 | Sho_ | And that's critically different from the nigh-unreadable "[Thu Aug 30 2007] [17:46:10] <Sho_> Roey: Where does that obsessio[Thu Aug 30 2007] [17:46:10] <Sho_> Roey: Where does that obsession with the logging format come from, anyway? ;)" of course ;)n with the logging format come from, anyway? ;) |
| 15:46.55 | Roey | Jucato: I saw Konvi's, and they don't let me set the timestamps to how I already have it set in xchat. I don't want to have to change logging fomrats just because I'm changing IRC clients. |
| 15:47.05 | Sho_ | Jucato: The search bar is available in all text tabs, btw |
| 15:47.16 | Jucato | oh btw Sho_, I realized you can view logs even if the person isn't online. |
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| 15:47.19 | Roey | Sho_: well, first off, konvi's format does not contain timezone information. |
| 15:47.22 | Jucato | yeah right heheh |
| 15:47.36 | Roey | Sho_: second, I just want it compressed into standard ISO format. |
| 15:47.37 | Sho_ | Roey: Neither does yours? ;) |
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| 15:47.49 | Roey | True, but I could set it, at least. |
| 15:47.59 | Roey | Sho_: while in Konvi, it's pretty much fixed |
| 15:48.10 | Roey | In fact, I should set mine, one sec. |
| 15:48.14 | Sho_ | So you're not using Konvi because it doesn't have something you don't use anyway ... I see ;) |
| 15:48.26 | Roey | <Roey> Sho_: second, I just want it compressed into standard ISO format. |
| 15:48.26 | Sho_ | And your date format isn't ISO, either |
| 15:48.44 | Roey | mine is YYYYMMDD HH:MM:SS |
| 15:48.47 | Roey | and for that matter |
| 15:48.53 | Sho_ | Which is certainly not ISO 8601 |
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| 15:49.14 | Roey | this ain't a philosophical debate--there's no deep argument to /not/ allowing a user to change their logging format. |
| 15:49.21 | Sho_ | Look, I hear you want to be able to change the timestamp format for the on-disk logs, and that'ss a perfectly reasonable feature request |
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| 15:49.29 | Sho_ | I'm just giving you a hard time about the non-arguments ;) |
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| 15:49.33 | Roey | Sho_: :) |
| 15:49.40 | Roey | Sho_: I mean, do you have xchat available? |
| 15:49.46 | Jucato | don't you just love Sho_ :) |
| 15:49.57 | Sho_ | probably, somewhere |
| 15:50.06 | Jucato | he'll have to scavenge around for it |
| 15:50.24 | Roey | if you launch it, and go to Settings->Preferences->Chatting->Logging, why can't Konversation have some dialog like this? |
| 15:50.37 | Roey | Jucato: Sho_ is typically the voice of reason in here. |
| 15:50.40 | Sho_ | What gave you the idea it couldn't? |
| 15:50.58 | Jucato | Roey: yeah. he dampens my overly active imagination a lot :) |
| 15:50.59 | Roey | Sho_: deep philosophical debates every time I come to #konversation asking for such a feature |
| 15:51.04 | Sho_ | (In fact it already has, just missing a field for the timestamp format) |
| 15:51.12 | Roey | Sho_: ah, ok then |
| 15:51.16 | Sho_ | Roey: hehe probably running into argonel every time :) |
| 15:51.21 | Roey | hehehehe |
| 15:51.41 | Jucato | oooh argonel... |
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| 15:51.48 | Roey | Sho_: it's not as bad as #gimp, where I just got banned (from the whole of gimpnet) by a gimp dev... for the third time in four years |
| 15:51.51 | Jucato | wow yakuake isn't that big after all |
| 15:52.04 | Jucato | they must love you :) |
| 15:52.11 | Roey | jucato: it's just a shell around konsole |
| 15:52.16 | Roey | jucato: oh |
| 15:52.34 | Roey | jucato: this operator is just a thin shell over someone who is sore they're not me |
| 15:52.39 | Roey | :) |
| 15:52.45 | Sho_ | Jucato: Yakuake is actually a fairly good KDE coding example, because it's rather small and yet uses a whole bunch of KDE/Qt technologies, from KConfigXT to DCOP to KParts to .ui files |
| 15:53.00 | Sho_ | (the ~2.8 codebase anyway) |
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| 15:53.06 | Jucato | Sho_: hm... that might be what I'm looking for.... |
| 15:53.07 | Roey | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.17 | Jucato | any other "small" KDE app? |
| 15:53.26 | Roey | kteatime ? |
| 15:53.27 | Jucato | that also uses dcop, kconfigxt (whatever that is) and kparts? |
| 15:53.30 | Roey | oh |
| 15:53.33 | Jucato | heh follow up |
| 15:53.40 | Jucato | more of a case study for me |
| 15:53.44 | killown | Roey, hi :D |
| 15:53.45 | Roey | how big is konqueror? |
| 15:53.49 | Jucato | er... |
| 15:53.54 | Roey | killown: is it just me or do you also frequent #security at times |
| 15:53.54 | Jucato | no one's working on it... |
| 15:53.57 | Jucato | that's a clue :) |
| 15:54.01 | Roey | killown: oh, I mean #linguistics :) |
| 15:54.16 | killown | Roey yes linguistics |
| 15:54.16 | Sho_ | Jucato: KConfigXT is our framework to manage application preferences |
| 15:54.26 | Sho_ | Jucato: I.e. that's a pretty important one to get to know :) |
| 15:54.26 | Roey | cool, killown |
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| 15:54.49 | Jucato | I actually saw it before, but never got around to reading about it |
| 15:55.00 | Jucato | with the mentality of "I'll burn the bridge when I get there" :P |
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| 15:55.47 | Sho_ | Jucato: Use the 2.8_beta1 codebase or SVN though :) |
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| 15:56.03 | Jucato | much better/cleaner? |
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| 15:56.10 | Jucato | er.. although it adds the complexity of split views... |
| 15:56.17 | devil | hola |
| 15:56.17 | Sho_ | Jucato: Yes, it's basically rewritten |
| 15:56.21 | Jucato | ah |
| 15:56.26 | devil | alguien que hable espaol... |
| 15:56.31 | Jucato | hm... good enough reason |
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| 15:57.21 | Sho_ | Jucato: The splitting is fairly easy to ignore while reading the code |
| 15:57.41 | Jucato | let me see... wonder if kubuntu included the beta in gutsy |
| 15:57.55 | Jucato | Sho_: wouldn't you be so pleased :) |
| 15:58.15 | MinceR | gutsy will be out before kde4? |
| 15:58.36 | Jucato | most likely |
| 15:58.38 | Jucato | ;) |
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| 15:59.56 | devil | need install rpm2cpio |
| 16:00.03 | Sho_ | Jucato: The SVN version has a number of minor improvements over 2.8_beta1, the biggest a small improvement to the default tab numbering and a behavioral tweak for Xinerama, but overall it's a stable application. The biggest problem with beta1 is that it has vastly less translations than are available by now. |
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| 16:00.28 | Jucato | is that why you couldn't release it as stable yet? |
| 16:02.19 | Jucato | hm... going for now... bbl |
| 16:02.20 | Sho_ | Jucato: Yeah, the beta1 was mostly to be able to release something prior to string freeze and to see if there were any major fuckups in what's essentially mostly a rewrite. But I have somewhat of a mental blockade against releasing unfinished things, so it didn't have any known problems at release time and has held up well since. |
| 16:03.11 | Jucato | ah yes :) |
| 16:03.19 | Jucato | well brb... |
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| 16:03.45 | icwiener_ | devil: please ask in the channel of your distro how to install packages. |
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| 16:05.32 | nattfodd | hi, I'm looking for a way to turn off spellchecking *completely* in konqueror |
| 16:05.40 | nattfodd | couldn't find anything in google |
| 16:05.50 | tsp629 | hi |
| 16:06.05 | tsp629 | can someone check is my Teamspeak server work ?? |
| 16:06.31 | pinotree | tsp629: is that a kde something? |
| 16:07.12 | tsp629 | ye i run it on Linux with KDE |
| 16:07.34 | tsp629 | can conect on LAN, dunno how it work public |
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| 16:08.21 | pinotree | tsp629: is that "teamspeak" a kde application? |
| 16:08.40 | icwiener_ | tsp629: That's rather a topic for ##linux oder of the teamspeak application's channel if it exists. |
| 16:10.49 | tsp629 | ye it is KDE apllication, u can download client from there http://www.goteamspeak.com/index.php?page=downloads |
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| 16:15.50 | Sho_ | pinotree: the v3 client uses Qt iirc |
| 16:16.01 | pinotree | then #qt |
| 16:16.29 | Mirrakor | is there a changelog from 3.5.5 to 3.5.7 ? |
| 16:16.44 | Sho_ | Mirrakor: no, but from 3.5.5 to 3.5.6 and from 3.5.6 to 3.5.7 |
| 16:16.55 | Mirrakor | will do for me :D |
| 16:16.57 | Sho_ | Mirrakor: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_5to3_5_6.php and http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_6to3_5_7.php |
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| 16:17.07 | Mirrakor | you're quick man..o0 |
| 16:17.10 | Mirrakor | thx |
| 16:18.22 | [AtuM] | hey guys! |
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| 16:18.56 | [AtuM] | can anyone tell me if the suse's style kde menu is available anywhere? |
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| 16:19.46 | [AtuM] | anyone? |
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| 16:21.30 | [AtuM] | I would love to have such a menu on my fedora.. |
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| 16:21.48 | Sho_ | [AtuM]: I think I saw a Fedora package for it on KDE-Apps.org somewhere |
| 16:21.52 | Sho_ | [AtuM]: Search for "Kickoff" |
| 16:22.15 | [AtuM] | gr8.. I'll go check |
| 16:22.39 | Sho_ | [AtuM]: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=63676 |
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| 16:23.39 | [AtuM] | looks amazing... gotta love linux :D |
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| 16:25.01 | [AtuM] | so does anyone have any input on what the kde 4 might bring? anything revolutionary? |
| 16:25.25 | jpsalova | I haven't kept an eye on it too much |
| 16:25.33 | wolsni | [AtuM]: plenty of articles about KDE4 on dot.kde.org |
| 16:25.37 | jpsalova | Or, I haven't really understood it completely. But it seems like it |
| 16:26.09 | wolsni | if KDE4 wasn't going to be revolutionary it would be 3.6 :) |
| 16:26.09 | Sho_ | In fact there's so much new stuff it makes the question hard to answer succinctly |
| 16:26.11 | jpsalova | I assume kwin has compositing and there'll be vector based stuff a lot. and detachable elements in qt4 |
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| 16:26.17 | jpsalova | And all that sort of stuff. :) |
| 16:26.27 | [AtuM] | nice |
| 16:27.16 | Jucato | Phonon, Solid, Plasma, Oxygen, Strigim Decibel (Nepomuk-KDE, Akonadi, kdegames, Qt 4) |
| 16:27.46 | Jucato | (Okular, Dolphin, Marble) |
| 16:27.49 | [AtuM] | :) will have to check what most of these do ;) |
| 16:27.52 | Jucato | just to name a few "new" things |
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| 16:28.24 | Jucato | [AtuM]: it would be good to go to http://dot.kde.org and search for the Pillars of KDE and The Road to KDE articles |
| 16:28.35 | Sho_ | New Control Center, new KRDC, new Font Manager module, .. |
| 16:28.43 | Jucato | bah! I forgot KWin :P |
| 16:28.52 | Jucato | (new control center bleh!) |
| 16:29.02 | wolsni | really shiny stuff all over the place due to oxygen and SVG support |
| 16:29.21 | Jucato | SVG support...hm... |
| 16:29.30 | [AtuM] | will there be some sort of kvpn that supports "ms" pptp vpns? |
| 16:29.51 | jpsalova | Hm, probably if you zoom in with kwin, it'll still pixelize the svg? ;) |
| 16:30.00 | jpsalova | And not scale it |
| 16:30.08 | Sho_ | jpsalova: yup |
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| 16:30.26 | Jucato | the SVG thing might be a bit overhyped methinks |
| 16:30.29 | jpsalova | I mean, it's zoom on the rendition. Yeah. |
| 16:30.44 | Sho_ | jpsalova: The UI is not yet resolution independent and can't be scaled by a scale factor |
| 16:31.30 | tsp629 | sorry cause in this channel but cant find other good one, if someone can pls try connect to my Linux TeamSpeak server, IP of this is: 83.4.249.187:15603 |
| 16:32.10 | D-Fender1031 | is there a kicker applet for audacious similar to the one for xmms? |
| 16:32.33 | jpsalova | Sho_: yeah, no wonder. Maybe it'll all be, one day. |
| 16:32.56 | Jucato | when it actually becomes more efficient to use SVG-based UI maybe |
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| 16:33.19 | Jucato | technically/technologically more efficient |
| 16:33.20 | Sho_ | Jucato: The SVG support is mostly a by-product of strong support for accelerated vector graphics on the toolkit level (unlike the seperate KSVG lib that we had in KDE3), which is fairly significant as a first step on the road to resolution independent user interfaces |
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| 16:33.59 | wolsni | which may be more than just a technological/efficiency decision since resolutions vary so much these days |
| 16:34.00 | Jucato | Sho_: yeah. but I think it got a bit too much hype and now everybody expect pure SVG icons, widgets, etc |
| 16:34.02 | Sho_ | Jucato: SVG by itself is mostly significant because it enables asset creation by artists without programmer involvement |
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| 16:34.34 | Jucato | well maybe not overhyped.. but certainly misunderstood |
| 16:35.29 | Sho_ | Jucato: Well it's wrong to expect all of those things in KDE 4.0, but they are possible in the future thanks to the technological groundwork that Qt4 and KDE4 brings in that regard |
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| 16:36.18 | Sho_ | Aaron wrote a nice blog post on the process of revolution yesterday that fits that situation as well |
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| 16:37.10 | Jucato | yeah I think I've read that before |
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| 17:33.17 | christopher_ | anyone have any idea how to change konqueror menu bar to display an image (like background image) |
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| 17:38.21 | D-Fender1031 | christopher_, left click on a panel, Configure Panel -> Appearance -> Panel Background |
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| 17:39.20 | D-Fender1031 | is there a kicker applet for audacious similar to the one for xmms/a way to make the xmms applet control audacious instead? |
| 17:40.07 | wolsni | D-Fender1031: there is a kicker applet for many KDE media players, but I don't think there's one for Audacious |
| 17:40.57 | christopher_ | sorry on the konqueror menu |
| 17:41.05 | christopher_ | like where you see your folders |
| 17:41.45 | Angelus | is there something in kde to update the K menu? when you compile new programs from source and install in /usr/local |
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| 17:41.59 | wolsni | christopher_: that would have to be supported at the style level |
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| 17:42.04 | gekco | hi |
| 17:42.17 | wolsni | i don't think there are any styles that let you do it, but search kde-look.org |
| 17:42.28 | gekco | why kaffeine is playing my movies on a smll screen instead of filling the entire scree? |
| 17:42.31 | christopher_ | yea i thought lipstik did it but i can't install the new lipstik version |
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| 17:43.20 | D-Fender1031 | wolsni, then is there a way to at least set up gloabal controls for it? |
| 17:43.33 | Angelus | is there something in kde to update the K menu? when you compile new programs from source and install in /usr/local |
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| 17:44.29 | wolsni | D-Fender1031: i don't use audacious |
| 17:44.41 | wolsni | you should probably be asking in their channel/mailing list/what have you |
| 17:45.07 | wolsni | Angelus: "kbuildsycoca" in a shell |
| 17:45.10 | D-Fender1031 | ah |
| 17:45.31 | Angelus | that will update the kmenu wolsni? |
| 17:45.39 | wolsni | Angelus: afaik, yes |
| 17:45.47 | D-Fender1031 | wolsni, one last thing... it seems to be very similar in design to xmms, is there a way to trick the applet into thinking audacious is xmms? |
| 17:46.04 | wolsni | D-Fender1031: i don't use xmms either |
| 17:46.05 | gekco | kaffeine sux |
| 17:46.13 | wolsni | and I definitely didn't write the applet |
| 17:46.15 | wolsni | so i have no idea |
| 17:46.18 | Angelus | whats afaik ? and is there a graphical way to do it wolsni since i will not remember the command? |
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| 17:46.26 | D-Fender1031 | damn |
| 17:46.38 | wolsni | Angelus: you can create a shortcut on your desktop that runs that command |
| 17:46.40 | D-Fender1031 | Angelus, as far as i know |
| 17:46.46 | wolsni | afaik == as far as I know |
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| 18:25.25 | mattepiu | hum, in kde4 which package contains the digital clock, extragear o kdebase? |
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| 18:26.24 | Skrot- | Probably in playground/kdebase/plasma |
| 18:26.55 | annma | playground/base/plasma |
| 18:26.57 | Skrot- | err, playground/base/plasma |
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| 18:27.38 | mattepiu | thank you very much |
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| 18:34.23 | sambiase | hi there...i installed a distro called BackTrack...i installed it in a VM and after installing vmtools, the icons, names and everything is toooooo smal....i changed font size in the control center..things got better but the terminal window is still veryyyyy smal and some other things are still smal..like the calendar on the tollbar |
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| 18:34.33 | sambiase | any ideas? |
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| 18:36.06 | pinotree | sambiase: please ask in the channel of your distro |
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| 18:37.40 | mattepiu | sambiase: if terminal is konsole, it has it's own settings for fonts, if you mean system console, follow what pinotree said |
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| 18:38.23 | mattepiu | now that I re-read it.... a calendar on the toolbar? ugh... |
| 18:38.38 | D-Fender1031 | is there a way to set a keyboard shortcut to run a certain command line command without opening it on the taskbar? |
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| 18:42.08 | mattepiu | D-Fender1031: I don't think so, you need it in kmenu for kshortcuts to work.... may I ask what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:42.13 | PhilRod | D-Fender1031: run it using kstart. There's info in the user guide at docs.kde.org |
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| 18:42.37 | wally345 | How to change the PS1 environment variable for Konsole (not only for the actual session) ? |
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| 18:43.21 | wally345 | export PS1=xyz is just for the actual session |
| 18:43.22 | D-Fender1031 | mattepiu, i'm setting up global shortcuts for controlling audacious |
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| 18:43.38 | D-Fender1031 | PhilRod, huh? |
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| 18:44.16 | PhilRod | D-Fender1031: if you run "kstart --skiptaskbar someapp", someapp will be started without a taskbar entry |
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| 18:44.43 | PhilRod | so you need to set a keyboard shortcut (in khotkeys) to run that |
| 18:44.56 | astan | hey. i see that the oxygen wallpaper contest is now closed, anyone know when the winner will be announced? |
| 18:45.00 | PhilRod | there's more information in the kde user guide at docs.kde.org, section "advanced window management" |
| 18:45.04 | mattepiu | wally345: env-update ? |
| 18:45.12 | PhilRod | astan: if no one here knows, ask in #kde-artists |
| 18:45.15 | D-Fender1031 | PhilRod, and is there a way to tell this to leave my cursor as it is also? |
| 18:45.21 | PhilRod | wally345: ~/.bashrc |
| 18:45.32 | astan | PhilRod: ah. thx. |
| 18:45.35 | PhilRod | D-Fender1031: turn of launch feedback in control center |
| 18:45.44 | D-Fender1031 | ah |
| 18:45.47 | D-Fender1031 | thanks |
| 18:45.49 | D-Fender1031 | will do |
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| 18:46.26 | jereme | hi all |
| 18:46.27 | wally345 | PhilRod: konsole use the ~/.bashrc settings ? |
| 18:46.42 | jereme | what kde app would best suit me for svg manipulation? |
| 18:46.44 | jereme | Inkscape? |
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| 18:46.56 | mattepiu | wally345: yes, for the user you log in konsole |
| 18:47.00 | jereme | or rather... given that I use kde, which app would... |
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| 18:47.07 | Sho_ | jereme: Inkscape is not a KDE app, but it's very good. There's also a vector graphics app called Karbon14 in KOffice. |
| 18:47.22 | jereme | thank you sho |
| 18:47.33 | D-Fender1031 | PhilRod, it worked, thank you |
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| 18:48.15 | wally345 | mattepiu: can i create a bashrc if there was none, or do i need a skel bash.bashrc ? |
| 18:48.54 | wally345 | sorry /etc/skel/bash.bashrc |
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| 18:49.33 | boom1992 | wally345 : what distri do u use, why isnt there a bashrc?? |
| 18:50.14 | linduxed | if i update my entire system, and i want to retain the my suse/sabayon style kde, what files do i have to preserve? |
| 18:50.39 | wally345 | there was no .bashrc in my home, its a opensuse |
| 18:50.51 | wally345 | boom1992: i know its hidden :) |
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| 18:53.41 | D-Fender1031 | how would one go about writing a simple kicker applet? |
| 18:54.27 | logixoul | D-Fender1031: ask in #kde-devel |
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| 18:55.51 | Sho_ | D-Fender1031: There's a howto on Techbase, with a simple example applet |
| 18:55.55 | Sho_ | It's fairly easy |
| 18:56.02 | D-Fender1031 | Sho_, what language? |
| 18:56.07 | Sho_ | D-Fender1031: C++ |
| 18:56.11 | D-Fender1031 | ooh |
| 18:56.15 | D-Fender1031 | my kind of thing |
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| 18:56.23 | D-Fender1031 | and using qt i'm guessing? |
| 18:56.29 | Sho_ | D-Fender1031: 99% of KDE is written in C++ |
| 18:56.31 | Sho_ | D-Fender1031: yes |
| 18:57.13 | D-Fender1031 | Sho_, link? |
| 18:57.23 | tsb | Someone know of an app that visualized which dirs etc take up space? |
| 18:58.00 | wolsni | tsb: konqueror should have a file size view |
| 18:58.22 | Sho_ | D-Fender1031: http://techbase.kde.org/ |
| 18:58.38 | tsb | And (3rd times a charm), will QT4/KDE4 offer SDI or MDI support? |
| 18:58.56 | D-Fender1031 | Sho_, thanks |
| 18:59.04 | tsb | If qt/kde itself supported uniform mdi handlers that would be pretty nifty |
| 18:59.06 | Sho_ | tsb: Qt3 already does, so I'm not sure what yo umean |
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| 18:59.31 | Sho_ | (although it's a lot better in 4, like most things) |
| 18:59.44 | tsb | Sho_: oh, it's just that noone seems to use them then. konqueror, konversation, kopete, et all.. there's loads of programs that would benefit from it |
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| 19:00.29 | Sho_ | tsb: Qt 4's version of Qt Designer is an example of an app that offers both an MDI and a seperate windows mode |
| 19:00.31 | tsb | (and if iti s in the libs, perhaps more apps will take advantage of it) |
| 19:00.41 | Sho_ | tsb: KDevelop used, too, until it was removed in 3.4 |
| 19:00.55 | Sho_ | *used to |
| 19:00.56 | tsb | Sho_: Oh.. know why? |
| 19:01.25 | Sho_ | tsb: MDI has generally rather questionable usability properties, and the implementation in KDevelop also had its share of problems and was hard to maintain |
| 19:01.53 | tsb | wolsni: wow you are right, thanks! |
| 19:02.37 | tsb | Sho_: *shrugs* Opera's got me hooked. It would certainly be benificial in konversation to be able to have 2+ windows open at the same time |
| 19:02.57 | Sho_ | tsb: Konversation will offer the option to detach tabs in a future version |
| 19:03.19 | mattepiu | wally345: I don't know how opensuse works, but usually there's nothing vital inside so I would say you can try |
| 19:03.25 | s17ence | where are the kde splash screens located |
| 19:03.26 | s17ence | ? |
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| 19:03.43 | mattepiu | wally345: *vital = critical |
| 19:03.51 | tsb | Sho_: detach? as in break up from the main application? I am talking about still keeping them internal, just several at once.. like say irssi or mirc. |
| 19:04.22 | Sho_ | tsb: Detach = seperate them out into additional |
| 19:04.25 | Sho_ | +windows |
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| 19:04.29 | Sho_ | bah, typing disorder tonight |
| 19:04.53 | tsb | Sho_: okay. is there a reason an app like konversation wouldn't implement MDI support? |
| 19:05.07 | tsb | I'm not trying to be a bitch, I'm just interessted in the reasoning behind it :) |
| 19:05.48 | Sho_ | tsb: Yes, the Konversation developers feel that managing groups of windows is the window manager's job, not the application's, and that the additional complexity of an MDI implementation is undesirable |
| 19:06.04 | smacnay | Is there a debian update manager for kde that runs on the task bar and notifies the user of updates? |
| 19:06.26 | Sho_ | smacnay: "adept-updater", afaik |
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| 19:06.51 | logixoul | s17ence: your system KDE data is in the $KDEDIR dir. the apps/ subdir there has all "asset" stuff, basically everything besides config. In there, every app has a subdir. Let's think. KDE... Splash... why, it must be called KSplash. so, dir ksplash/. from there it should be easy. :) |
| 19:07.00 | tsb | Sho_: indeed. I've actually thought about this quite a bit. I mean, the fact that every-other app needs tabs means the windowmanager isn't doing its job |
| 19:07.14 | logixoul | s17ence: this means $KDEDIR/apps/ksplash/Themes |
| 19:07.25 | tsb | Sho_: still, like it is now, with 70 tabs open in Opera, there's just no way that would work as well in KDE 3.5.7 with the regual kwin |
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| 19:08.10 | logixoul | 70 tabs? wtf are you doing?? :o |
| 19:08.22 | Sho_ | tsb: But then having 70 tabs open probably isn't a very likely use case, and specialist niche software like Opera exists for that, I guess |
| 19:08.42 | Sho_ | (not that I think using Opera is an acceptable option, admittedlY) |
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| 19:09.19 | tsb | logixoul: because of the wonderful sessionsupport with history etc even after a reboot, there's lots of stuff hanging around :) |
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| 19:10.06 | tsb | Sho_: I can easily see myself using 4 in konversation, I guess the windowmanager (and vspace) as it is in kwin work work well enough for that |
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| 19:10.36 | Artimus | When I try to add a todo in kontact, it pops up asking me to select a Resource. "Default KOrganizer resource" or "Default KOrganizer resource". One fails (unable to save Todo), the other succeeds, then I get a duplicate of the todo... |
| 19:10.44 | logixoul | tsb: that should be pretty hard to manage -- and lagging -- though |
| 19:10.50 | Sho_ | tsb: Note that our thinking process tends to evolve and fluctuate, so we might one day wake up and find out we're madly in love with MDI and do it - who knows |
| 19:10.57 | logixoul | tsb: I find any window with > 5 subwindows confusing :) |
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| 19:11.44 | wolsni | and then there are people like my mom who don't even take advantage of tabs |
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| 19:12.38 | tsb | logixoul: surprisingly, it isn't. Because Opera is so flexible, I can move the tabs to the left side instead of the top like konqueror or firefox, which gets unmanagable after just 4-5 tabs. Further, once it fills the vertical space a new column is added. And since I am on a widescreen that space is just backgroundcolor on 99% of the websites anyway. If I need the extra space I hide the tabs with a hotkey. Also, Opera implements the "most-recently-used" |
| 19:12.38 | tsb | switching-queue instead of the horrid konq/firefox next/prev in line |
| 19:13.03 | logixoul | well I have a hard time teaching my uncle to middleclick. He keeps left clicking then painstakingly opens a new firefox and re-discovers and navigates to what he was previously viewing. |
| 19:13.05 | logixoul | oh well. |
| 19:13.07 | Sho_ | tsb: Notably Konversation does have an optional left-hand tab list, though |
| 19:13.27 | tsb | Sho_: I know, I am using it right now, works like a charm :) |
| 19:13.45 | tsb | hey, cool |
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| 19:15.49 | tsb | There's mostly a porting effort going on now right? I feel like having a go at submitting a patch or two, I haven't been in c++ for a while.. |
| 19:16.07 | tsb | I'd probably have to set up kdevelop for qt4 then? |
| 19:16.35 | Sho_ | Many applications are currently in the process of being ported to KDE 4, yes |
| 19:16.44 | Sho_ | Can't comment on KDevelop; I don't like/use IDEs |
| 19:16.46 | tsb | kopete seems to get very little love these days, there's a few annoying things there I'd like to see fixed |
| 19:16.58 | logixoul | tsb: most maintained kde software has already been ported to KDE 4. Lots of new features have been added too, especially in core apps. Currently the focus is on bugfixing. |
| 19:17.09 | Sho_ | Kopete won't ship with KDE 4.0 due to manpower and timing problems |
| 19:17.11 | tsb | I've just put it off for about a year beacuse I fear it will take months to get into the huge source.. |
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| 19:17.17 | Sho_ | so yes, they could use the help |
| 19:17.32 | logixoul | tsb: you *could* develop for KDE4 with KDevelop. or you could use a simple text editor - your choice |
| 19:17.38 | mattepiu | Sho_ : no kopete in kde 4???? |
| 19:17.46 | annma | there's kopete |
| 19:17.49 | logixoul | mattepiu: no kopete in kde 4.0. |
| 19:17.50 | wolsni | mattepiu: 4.0 at least |
| 19:17.52 | Sho_ | mattepiu: Not in 4.0. KDE 4 will eventually have Kopete. |
| 19:17.57 | annma | no? |
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| 19:18.27 | annma | I thought Kopete was in kdenetwork |
| 19:18.29 | Sho_ | annma: The current thinking is to remove it from the build system for release rather than move it out of the module, as per the discussion on release-team |
| 19:18.34 | tsb | Sho_: I wonder, why have kopete and pidgin around? Isn't pidgin just a gtk-frontend to some libs? Which for instance audium or something for the mac uses? |
| 19:18.51 | wolsni | tsb: this is true |
| 19:18.55 | tsb | Sho_: pidgin seems to have more momentum, perhaps just writing a qt frontend for that would be better? |
| 19:18.58 | smacnay | is pidgin more oriented arounf the gnome side of linux? |
| 19:19.05 | benJIman | tsb: kopete libs support more than gaim ones. |
| 19:19.13 | benJIman | tsb: But there is a move towards using the IM stuff as dbus services. |
| 19:19.16 | wolsni | if you want to create a purple-based im client for KDE no one is stopping you thoguh |
| 19:19.22 | benJIman | With the IM clients as just thin telepathy clients. |
| 19:19.41 | logixoul | smacnay: Pidgin IM uses GTK, which is notably used by GNOME as well. So, yeah. |
| 19:19.41 | mattepiu | but I can still use kopete 3.5.7 in kde 4.0, right? |
| 19:19.43 | Sho_ | tsb: Those "some libs" Pidgin uses were/are developed by the Pidgin project; i.e. it's just a structural thing, Pidgin isn't just some frontend |
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| 19:19.53 | tsb | oh.. so it would be a waste of time? |
| 19:20.11 | Sho_ | tsb: And the reason why the Kopete developers likely aren't to keep to turn Kopete into a frontend to Pidgin's libraries is that it's Glib/C code, and Glib/C code tends to be a KDE developer's worst nightmare |
| 19:20.14 | jereme | hrm, does kde have a built in fonts manager that I'm just not seeing? |
| 19:20.16 | wolsni | Sho_: I'm not sure that's true, there's already Adium and Finch based on those libs |
| 19:20.22 | smacnay | logixoul: does kopete do most of what pidgin does (minus a few protocols)? |
| 19:20.23 | jereme | 3.5.6 |
| 19:20.24 | benJIman | tsb: both kopete and pidgen are moving towards telepathy. |
| 19:20.26 | wolsni | but maybe you've looked into it more than I have |
| 19:20.29 | Sho_ | wolsni: Yes, but they were originally developed by the Pidgin project |
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| 19:20.38 | logixoul | smacnay: I don't use either of them so I don't know. |
| 19:20.42 | benJIman | smacnay: kopete has more support for some protocols. |
| 19:20.44 | Sho_ | wolsni: it used to be called "libgaim", with the Gaim->Pidgin change it has some other name |
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| 19:20.53 | benJIman | Not sure if gaim supports all the protocols kopete does either (like groupwise etc) |
| 19:21.09 | benJIman | tsb: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
| 19:21.37 | mattepiu | but... they really are suggesting that kde4.0 users use pidgin or gaim or they'll ship just with the older kopete? |
| 19:21.43 | Sho_ | tsb: The Pidgin success mostly highlights that Kopete should probably move out of kdenetwork into Extragear so it is in a position to do its own marketing and build momentum on its own vs. being strapped to the KDE release schedule |
| 19:21.53 | Sho_ | mattepiu: You'll be able to use KDE 3's Kopete in KDE 4 |
| 19:21.57 | tsb | Sho_: libgaim, right. Care to elaborate quickly why glib/c libs tend to be a kde devs worst nightmare? |
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| 19:22.25 | mattepiu | Sho_: oh, ok, thank you for answer, I don't want linspire pidgin in my desktop :-) |
| 19:22.26 | Sho_ | tsb: Because it's moronic to reinvent half of C++ in C |
| 19:22.34 | tsb | benJIman: I've heard about it, thanks. how far off is this? is this in part why kopete is in free-fall? it will eventually be replaced anyway? |
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| 19:22.47 | benJIman | tsb: No, kopete will have telepathy support. |
| 19:23.02 | benJIman | tsb: kopete isn't in free fall, it's still more featured than gaim, just has few developers. |
| 19:24.17 | kdepepo | does kde4 have a compat layer for 3.x apps? what about system global resources, like icons, dcop, clipboard? |
| 19:25.03 | Sho_ | kdepepo: The clipboard works fine between all X apps, as for other things, the KDE 3 stuff will exist seperately from the KDE 4 stuff |
| 19:25.27 | wolsni | kde4 will be using dbus instead of dcop, though, I think |
| 19:25.29 | tsb | Sho_: I don't get it - if libgaim implements an api for all the IM stuff, msn protocol etc, and all you do is use that api, how is that reinventing anything? |
| 19:25.33 | Sho_ | wolsni: yup |
| 19:25.36 | wolsni | so unlikely that that will be shared |
| 19:25.50 | kdepepo | ok, installing two icon themes isnt really a problem |
| 19:26.05 | smacnay | smacnay: k |
| 19:26.26 | wolsni | tsb: he's talking about the api that the gaim libs are built on |
| 19:26.26 | kdepepo | if dbus is better than dcop, then there should be a bridge |
| 19:26.47 | Sho_ | tsb: I wasn't talking about libgaim, I was talking about the Glib/C technology that GTK/Gnome apps use and that from the perspective of a C++/KDE developer is simply ludicrous, to the point that I'd rather stab my eyes out with a fork than use it. But this isn't really the channel for technical flame fests :) |
| 19:26.55 | tsb | benJIman: right, I know it's not in free fall :) but you get it. Right, I'll have a quick stab at fixing something on the contactlist then. Are there any straigh-forward no-hazzle instructions for getting this up with incremental builds for gcc or kdevelop? |
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| 19:27.16 | tsb | Sho_: ahah |
| 19:27.52 | smacnay | does kopete perform irc functions similar to a full-fledged irc client? windows for each channel joined, etc.? |
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| 19:28.00 | tsb | Sho_: I actually find C cleaner (as long as you don't touch strings;)), except in the UI-world where surely C++ is more fitting. |
| 19:28.03 | wolsni | smacnay: yes, it does |
| 19:28.23 | kdepepo | Actually what I said doesnt make sense... the bridge would only work for dcop-to-dbus, but not the other way |
| 19:28.27 | Sho_ | tsb: So there are a number of reasons why Kopete using libgaim is not uninteresting: (a) It induces physical pain in KDE developers, (b) Kopete's own protocol implementations are superior in places to libgaim's (the reverse may be true, but switching backends involving regressions is a hard value proposition), (c) there is a far, far better road ahead wrt/ sharing backends via Decibel/Telepathy, which the development version of Kopete already has support for |
| 19:28.34 | smacnay | wolsni: I must not hvae set it up correctly.... |
| 19:28.35 | tsb | Sho_: feel free to answer my benJIman question :) It was more of a general question really.. |
| 19:28.37 | wolsni | smacnay: i find that it has a bit of a memory leak so joining a lot of channels can be problematic though |
| 19:28.40 | Sho_ | er, is not interesting I mean :) |
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| 19:29.05 | tsb | Sho_: right |
| 19:29.07 | smacnay | wolsni: thanks |
| 19:29.43 | wolsni | smacnay: there is a setting in kopete where you can configure whether it should create windows or tabs for new conversations |
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| 19:30.13 | Sho_ | tsb: Look around a bit on http://decibel.kde.org/ |
| 19:30.36 | benJIman | tsb: It's not very difficult, check out svn kdenetwork. |
| 19:30.36 | tsb | What turned me off from kdevelop a few years back (2005 probably) was that it was very unstable, and features were a hit-or-miss, especially basic things like indentation. how is it now? |
| 19:30.44 | benJIman | tsb: kde4 version is somewhat broken though. |
| 19:31.15 | Sho_ | tsb: The Decibel stuff is based on common standards (Telepathy) and thus connects to a far wider universe of technology with quite a bit of potential |
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| 19:31.49 | benJIman | I don't think kopete should be in kdenetwork though. |
| 19:31.58 | tsb | Sho_: I understand. With the exception of offline-messaging support, I don't have much interest in messing the the actual protocols |
| 19:31.59 | Sho_ | tsb: You don't really *need* an IDE for KDE development, though, especially in KDE 4 it's become a lot easier to do without those "tools" than it was in KDE 3 |
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| 19:32.29 | Sho_ | tsb: For example we've switched the build system from the overly complicated autotools to CMake, which is a lot easier on the eyes and brains |
| 19:32.31 | tsb | Sho_: like I said, gcc will do. I love vim for compiled languages. |
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| 19:33.48 | Sho_ | tsb: I do most of my stuff in vim, too (e.g. Konversation) |
| 19:34.11 | tsb | It's a bit more confusing if you are programming based on conventions since it can't figure out where variables in different files are defined etc, but it's still fine there |
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| 19:34.26 | tsb | Sho_: ah, cool. |
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| 19:34.39 | tsb | I tried gvim, don't know why but I stopped using it |
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| 19:36.21 | Sho_ | tsb: I don't really feel that the GTK GUI adds much, and somehow it has that annoying problem where it doesn't maximize properly because it's bound to the line grid |
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| 19:39.26 | tsb | does this mean by the way that kopete is not ported? I seriously doubt that my first kde endavour should be porting a whole program to kde4. |
| 19:39.27 | benJIman | kdevelop4 is starting to look better. |
| 19:39.32 | benJIman | c++ code completion still doesn't work though. |
| 19:40.03 | Sho_ | tsb: It's ported, and it even has a whole bunch of stuff the KDE 3 version hasn't, but it's simply not done/polished, and won't be in time for the 4.0 release |
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| 19:40.28 | benJIman | tsb: It runs, but crashes connecting to MSN if that's any indication. |
| 19:40.42 | lnx_ | how i can change from blue the windows decorations ? |
| 19:40.54 | benJIman | lnx_: kcontrol -> appearance and themes -> colours |
| 19:40.55 | tsb | lnx_: alt+f2, kcontrol |
| 19:41.30 | tsb | Sho_: hrm, okay. perhaps not a suitable start then.. |
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| 19:42.25 | Ungi | #damn* |
| 19:42.31 | lnx_ | tsb thanks |
| 19:42.56 | tsb | lnx_: heh, sure. *blinks at benJIman* |
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| 19:43.19 | tsb | On an unrelated matter - in krita, when you have something selected, is it possible to edit the selection in realtime? like "transform selection" in photoshop? |
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| 19:45.04 | Sho_ | tsb: See the actions available from the "Select" menu, and you can also add/substract with the selection tool and keyboard modifiers somehow |
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| 19:45.54 | benJIman | tsb: There's a "transform layer or selection" is that what you want? |
| 19:45.56 | nixternal | Sho_: what is up for Yakuake in KDE 4? Is it staying, or is Kontact going to contain similar functionality now? |
| 19:46.08 | wolsni | nixternal: you mean konsole? |
| 19:46.13 | nixternal | ya |
| 19:46.14 | nixternal | haha |
| 19:46.21 | tsb | benJIman: sounds about right! where is it? |
| 19:46.22 | nixternal | I just left #kontact working on some boogs |
| 19:46.29 | benJIman | tsb: On the toolbox |
| 19:46.30 | Sho_ | nixternal: Yakuake will continue to be available from the Extragear module. I find it doubtful that our PIM/Groupware suite will expand to continue drop-down terminal emulator functionality. |
| 19:46.40 | nixternal | :p |
| 19:46.44 | nixternal | hardy har har |
| 19:46.44 | Sho_ | err ... s/continue/contain/ |
| 19:47.02 | nixternal | although, I think everything should have the drop down functionality |
| 19:47.03 | tsb | benJIman: oh, no.. I don't want to transform what I have selected, I want to transform the actual selection |
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| 19:47.17 | tsb | if that makes any sense.. :) |
| 19:47.19 | nixternal | Sho_: I mean Konsole btw, not Kontact :) |
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| 19:50.25 | Sho_ | nixternal: Robert has added a global shortcut to Konsole that brings up a Konsole window. It's roughly similar to having a Konsole instance in KDE 3 and using dcop calls bound to a keypress to show/hide the window. Yakuake differs from it by offering special window behavior inspired by the console in the Quake series of window games (in terms of position, animation and behavior, i.e. not showing up on alt-tab, the taskbar or the pager) and theming. It also |
| 19:50.25 | Sho_ | implements some things differently, e.g. the split view implementation in Konsole has per-split tab bars, while Yakuake keeps one. |
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| 19:51.18 | Sho_ | nixternal: If anything, the KDE 4 version of Yakuake will be an even better alternative to Konsole, because there have been various improvements in the KonsoleKPart to fix interface limitations that Yakuake used to run into. |
| 19:51.32 | nixternal | umph! you are my hero! |
| 19:52.18 | Sho_ | nixternal: So the Konsole hotkey thing is cool, but I think there's still some value to offering Yakuake in Extragear, and it's not like it's a massive amount of work to port it :) |
| 19:53.02 | nixternal | so far, I have been unable to figure out the hiding in Konsole for KDE 4...need to mess around with it a little more |
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| 19:54.50 | Sho_ | nixternal: I'm not sure if the hotkey actually toggles it, I think it just brings up a window ... dunno. For me it's really more about the special window behavior anyway. |
| 19:56.21 | nixternal | ya, I am so used to Yakuake's behavior |
| 19:57.07 | Sho_ | nixternal: If it was just about show/hide toggling, that could be done with regular KDE 3 Konsole with 10 lines of bash and DCOP too after all |
| 19:57.37 | wolsni | doesn't kwin let you just attach a keyboard shortcut to a window? |
| 19:57.46 | nixternal | one thing I noticed about KDE 4 and Konsole, was the monospace fonts look really good...and I have the same config in KDE 3, and it just doesn't look the same |
| 19:58.25 | benJIman | nixternal: Qt4's text handling is much better. |
| 19:58.55 | nixternal | no doubt |
| 19:58.58 | benJIman | Fonts are better spaced everywhere. |
| 19:59.44 | benJIman | xev still lists it as keycode 9 |
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| 20:00.41 | clojster | hi there! |
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| 20:01.06 | clojster | I know that Ykuake is using Konsole schemes for look |
| 20:01.26 | Sho_ | nixternal: And because Yakuake uses Konsole's KPart it benefits, too :-) Robert Knight (new Konsole maintainer) has done a fabulous job in general |
| 20:01.47 | clojster | I have transparent Konsole, but Yakuake still remains Black on white background... anybody knows where is the problem? |
| 20:01.57 | aseigo | clojster: you have to set it in yakuake as well |
| 20:02.13 | aseigo | clojster: right click on the terminal view area in yakuake and you'll see the settings there |
| 20:02.25 | Sho_ | clojster: After picking the right scheme from the context menu, make sure you also click "Save as Default" to store your preference for future sessions. |
| 20:02.51 | clojster | oh, man :) |
| 20:03.00 | clojster | I must have been blind :D |
| 20:03.11 | clojster | thanks... I overlooked that |
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| 20:06.06 | astan | hm. when i've set a view mode in konqueror, say detailed list view, how do i make it the default view mode? |
| 20:06.28 | astan | ah nevermind, found it. |
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| 20:09.20 | astan | is there no view mode that resembles the one in windows xp where you see the file type and size right underneath the file name? |
| 20:09.31 | Sho_ | astan: There will be in KDE4 |
| 20:09.31 | astan | (example here; http://www.ritilan.com/archives/images/blogimages/021004_tooloftheyear.PNG) |
| 20:09.37 | astan | Sho_: cool ;) |
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| 20:15.14 | lnx_ | how i can have "crosshair" that i will click with it on window and the it will close ( like stucked programs that about to crash ) ? |
| 20:15.39 | wolsni | lnx_: that is provided by the xkill command |
| 20:15.51 | wolsni | just type it into a terminal and then click on the window to close |
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| 20:16.06 | lnx_ | wolsni , ok foudn it |
| 20:17.04 | Sho_ | KDE actually has a keyboard shortcut for xkill, too |
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| 20:17.36 | Sho_ | KControl -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> Global Shortcuts -> Miscellaneous -> Kill Window |
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| 20:17.46 | Sho_ | The default is Alt+Ctrl+Escape |
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| 20:19.07 | lnx_ | how i can add to panel xeyes \ geyes \ keyes and what from them is better ? |
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| 20:21.15 | dflores | out of curiosity, why do some Gnome users think Konsole sucks? I always see them flame it, but never give any reasons. |
| 20:21.29 | aseigo | lnx_: my eyes are the prettiest, but you can add keyes by right clicking on the panel, selecting "Add..." and searching for "eyes" |
| 20:21.35 | aseigo | dflores: jealousy? ;) |
| 20:22.22 | dflores | possibly :) |
| 20:22.28 | Sho_ | dflores: A while ago there was a little benchmark blogging contest in which Konsole seriously beat Gnome Terminal in resource usage and speed, that might have made them angry ;) |
| 20:22.34 | lnx_ | aseigo , didnt find maybe i need to install them ? |
| 20:23.10 | aseigo | dflores: there are exactly two features i'm aware of that konsole doesn't have that gnome's term app has is support for proportional fonts and highlighted urls so you can click on them |
| 20:23.20 | aseigo | dflores: konsole in kde4 has both those features. |
| 20:23.38 | dflores | interesting |
| 20:23.41 | aseigo | dflores: otherwise, there are tons of things that konsole had (by a long shot) first and still has over gnome's app |
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| 20:24.08 | aseigo | konsole also used to be considerably faster, then they caught up, but konsole 4 is faster by a wide margin than konsole so that may well become an issue again |
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| 20:24.36 | enderandrew | Howdy! |
| 20:24.43 | enderandrew | I have a quick question which actually more svn related than KDE related. |
| 20:24.56 | enderandrew | I can see the Oxygen icons at: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/pics/oxygen/ |
| 20:25.13 | enderandrew | I know how to a svn checkout for an entire project, but can I do a svn checkout just for the icons? |
| 20:25.18 | aseigo | sure |
| 20:25.24 | aseigo | svn co http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/pics/oxygen/ |
| 20:25.34 | aseigo | er, replace websvn with anonsvn |
| 20:25.36 | enderandrew | Damn that common sense |
| 20:25.39 | aseigo | and http with svn |
| 20:25.40 | pinotree | enderandrew: just to be clear: you will NOT able to use oxygen as kde3 icon theme |
| 20:25.57 | enderandrew | I know the names are off in several places |
| 20:26.26 | enderandrew | Largely I have a custom mish-mash of icons, and I was thinking of taking my icon set and replacing in some of the Oxygen icons, such as the mime-types |
| 20:26.49 | pinotree | enderandrew: then please ask in #oxygen |
| 20:27.11 | pinotree | aseigo: like... when i made 10.000.000 new icons for mimetypes appear? :D |
| 20:27.19 | enderandrew | I use the Breathless set as my base, and when I add new icons, I just make sure they match that naming scheme and overwrite them. |
| 20:27.42 | aseigo | enderandrew: with enough patience you can get it all to work, yes... the oxy artists will probably be aghast that you'll mix them, but then artists are pretty finicky about continuity and such things ;) |
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| 20:28.26 | Shaman` | KDE4 looking good |
| 20:28.42 | Shaman` | Hope it's usable for everyday stuff in the early releases |
| 20:28.59 | enderandrew | There is a new Crystal Project set up on kde-look.org for instance that I really love, but it is a mock-up with no buildset file. I took many of those icons, merged them with Breathless and a few Amora device icons I like, and it makes for a reall nice icon set, but the mime-type icons in Oxygen I really like in particular. |
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| 20:30.05 | enderandrew | There is a fine line between having photo-realistic icons at higher resolutions that look really nice, and having icons that are more artistic and representative of a symbol at lower resolutions. Most sets seem to gravitate to one style more than the other, and that's part of the reason I mix-and-match a bit. |
| 20:30.50 | Shaman` | I like icons that look good, are relatively small and inobtrusive |
| 20:31.12 | Shaman` | but judging from vista, it seems micro$oft's research indicates that I am in the minority |
| 20:32.08 | aseigo | Shaman`: you can use one of the other icon sets then =)) |
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| 20:34.13 | Shaman` | oh, I do |
| 20:34.14 | Shaman` | heheh |
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| 20:34.32 | Shaman` | I wish I was more artistic, I'd make some up |
| 20:34.45 | Shaman` | I used to back in my Amiga days... 14 years ago :/ |
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| 20:36.42 | enderandrew | I dig the Oxygen icons largley on the whole but I am somewhat shocked to see KDE gravitate away from the blue-crystal look to a more white/black/grey OS X-type look with the icons. I just associate the blue-crystal look with KDE so much. |
| 20:37.02 | Shaman` | agreed |
| 20:37.08 | wolsni | oxygen icons grey? |
| 20:37.17 | benJIman | I'm not too keen on the new oxygen folder icon, prefered the original one. |
| 20:37.17 | wolsni | they seemed pretty vibrant last I saw |
| 20:37.29 | Shaman` | personally I think black is drab and overrated |
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| 20:37.41 | Shaman` | I like it for my stereo equipment but I don't want it on my desktop |
| 20:37.52 | lnx_ | someone know how to print in kubuntu with CANON PIXMA IP1500 ? |
| 20:37.55 | enderandrew | Many of the buttons and symbols that were blue-crystal circle before have moved to black/white buttons. |
| 20:38.08 | Shaman` | yeah, set up the printer in the kontrol panel |
| 20:38.28 | enderandrew | The early Oxygen widget style seemed to have a good chunk of grey in it, and I assumed that was part of the Oxygen vision. I haven't seen too much of what the new Oxygen widget style will look like. |
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| 20:38.59 | Shaman` | if you don't know where to find that, go to a shell and type kcontrol |
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| 20:40.34 | enderandrew | There is a guy who does icons professionally, and he releases a few free sets. He mainly does OS X icons, but he has released GTK icon sets as well. I asked if we would do a KDE icon theme, and he said he doesn't know how but he would allow people to use his work in KDE sets if they wanted. You guys should consider contacting him and asking him to do some icon work. |
| 20:40.43 | enderandrew | http://www.dlanham.com/art/amora/ |
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| 20:41.12 | Shaman` | I assume that SVG icons will be cached as bitmaps? |
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| 20:41.37 | enderandrew | http://www.dlanham.com/art/amoratheme/ |
| 20:42.06 | enderandrew | These are heavily stylized, and I probably wouldn't do something like this as a default theme, but it shows his talent. |
| 20:42.11 | danf_1979 | Is there anyway I can configure konqueror to hide certain extensions? like script.pyc from python, they're ugly |
| 20:43.42 | enderandrew | GoboLinux has some patches to add a hidden tag to files. They do it to hide the typical Unix directory structure and then recreate the directories with symlinks to simplify things. I've never wanted to jump ship to the Distro, but I always thought the concept had some validity in testing. All the apps go into one folder for instance. /Apps/KDE/3.5.7/Kicker for instance. |
| 20:44.13 | enderandrew | You can then hide any file with their patches. |
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| 20:44.44 | enderandrew | I've just never cared for hiding files. On a Windows box I always immediately configure it to show all files, including System ones. |
| 20:45.15 | Shaman` | me either |
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| 20:46.16 | enderandrew | Grr. I finally got around to trying that SVN command. I've been toying with ebuilds. |
| 20:46.19 | enderandrew | svn: No repository found in 'svn://anonsvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/pics/oxygen' |
| 20:46.36 | pinotree | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/pics/oxygen |
| 20:47.20 | enderandrew | That did the trick! Thanks! |
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| 20:47.47 | lnx_ | what is the command to run kdetoys ? |
| 20:47.52 | danf_1979 | Hmmm thanks enderandrew |
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| 20:48.02 | wolsni | lnx_: kdetoys is a group of programs |
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| 20:48.10 | Shaman` | heh |
| 20:48.12 | illogic-al | lnx_: which specific one do you want to one? |
| 20:48.13 | Shaman` | kdetoys is a package |
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| 20:48.30 | illogic-al | *want to run |
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| 20:48.33 | lnx_ | wolsni , ok the xeyes |
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| 20:49.07 | enderandrew | I'm off to rename a whole bunch of icons. |
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| 20:51.40 | lnx_ | keyes but in the panel no as window |
| 20:52.58 | wolsni | if you want to add a panel applet, right click on the panel and choose "add applet" |
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| 20:54.30 | lnx_ | wolsni , but there isnt keyes how i need to add the to the list ? |
| 20:54.48 | wolsni | if it's not in the list then it's not installed |
| 20:55.07 | lnx_ | wolsni , its is i have installed kdetoys ? |
| 20:55.12 | lnx_ | ! * |
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| 21:31.59 | cndougla | I was wondering since 3.93 has been tagged, how long until tarballs are available? |
| 21:32.11 | blackvd | So I have a couple questions. 1. What is skim and why cant i get rid of it? Looked it up but still not sure what it is. 2. Why does kbluetooth insist in loading on startup even though i tell it not to everytime? Thanks. |
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| 21:34.54 | PhilRod | cndougla: it's usually ~1 week |
| 21:35.20 | cndougla | oh, ok |
| 21:35.26 | cndougla | didn't realize it was so long |
| 21:35.35 | cndougla | guess I'll build from svn instead |
| 21:35.36 | cndougla | thanks |
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| 21:36.04 | PhilRod | blackvd: 1. it's a method for entering CJK text, I think. 2. Perhaps it's in $KDEDIR/share/autostart or ~/.kde/share/autostart, or it could be saved in the session |
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| 21:37.48 | blackvd | PhilRod: thanks, i checked autostart in home but not in root. if i tell it to not start on log in then it shouldn't save in session right? |
| 21:38.34 | PhilRod | "should" in the sense of it's the most obvious thing to expect it to do |
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| 21:39.57 | blackvd | right well its not in /usr/kde/3.5/share/autostart |
| 21:40.48 | blackvd | ah found it using locate |
| 21:41.31 | blackvd | so i can get rid of skim too safely? |
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| 21:42.56 | blackvd | screw it went ahead and removed it |
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| 21:43.00 | blackvd | thanks for the help |
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| 21:48.39 | fkm | Hey, does someone know why kwin seems to kinda overload when run in XGL? I would love to be able to seamlessly switch between compiz and kwin. But that seems to be out of the question. |
| 21:49.08 | fkm | So is this a common bug or just something I've done wrong? |
| 21:49.22 | fkm | Because I couldn't really find something about that |
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| 22:11.27 | x_link | Sho_: Hi, there? |
| 22:11.41 | x_link | Sho_: Do you remember which which file I had to remove about that transparency thing? |
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| 22:11.55 | x_link | Ohh nothing, found it. |
| 22:12.17 | oreganon | hey, someone know microphone problem under fedora core 7 |
| 22:12.46 | oreganon | can someone help me about this? |
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| 22:13.47 | x_link | Sho_: sudo aptitude purge scimm-qtimm doesn't work now+ |
| 22:13.52 | x_link | Sho_: Wasn't that the packagename? |
| 22:13.55 | x_link | Or the filename? |
| 22:14.26 | PhilRod | oreganon: ask in #fedora |
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| 22:19.38 | x_link | Sho_: There? |
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| 22:23.42 | loswillios | hi |
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| 22:24.24 | loswillios | How do I get the "shutdown, reboot" options when logging out of kde? this is kde 3.5.7 on archlinux |
| 22:24.27 | x_link | Sho_: Tell me when you get back, thanks. |
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| 22:25.07 | loswillios | currently, there is only "end this session" |
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| 22:30.44 | jsubl2 | is there some way to get fax's over the internet with kde |
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| 22:47.09 | loswillios | I start my X with startx, might that be the problem? |
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| 22:54.08 | aseigo | jsubl2: there are command-line (daemon) fax apps for linux/unix, and you can use kde apps to view faxes, but i don't know of a kde front end to a faxing system |
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| 22:54.18 | aseigo | loswillios: yes, that would be why |
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| 22:54.34 | loswillios | aseigo: is there a manual way to add these options? |
| 22:54.38 | aseigo | loswillios: the other options require a useful display manager to be running (e.g. kdm) due to permissions and priveleges issues |
| 22:54.46 | aseigo | loswillios: not really, no |
| 22:55.04 | loswillios | aseigo: cause I have setup sudo to allow me to shutdown the system |
| 22:55.06 | loswillios | oh, ok |
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| 22:55.29 | loswillios | I don't like the idea of having kdm running in the background and consuming ram |
| 22:56.05 | s17ence | i'm trying to load more splash screens in the control center and it keeps telling me it cannot load the config file for the teme |
| 22:56.08 | s17ence | theme* |
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| 22:56.57 | s17ence | any ideas |
| 22:56.58 | aseigo | loswillios: heh.. all 3mb (616k rss) of it? ;) |
| 22:57.46 | aseigo | loswillios: i suppose it could make a difference on a really small machine, though |
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| 22:58.02 | aseigo | s17ence: which splash screens? e.g. where did you get them from? |
| 22:58.04 | loswillios | aseigo: I don't have much RAM :/ also, I think the boot process will take slightly longer |
| 22:58.12 | s17ence | kde-look |
| 22:58.53 | aseigo | loswillios: on the upside for boot, it will result in pre-loading various libs ... even with kdm i'm well under a minute for a cold boot to a usable desktop on my laptop here |
| 22:59.00 | litb | will there be any kde 3.5.8 ? |
| 22:59.02 | aseigo | (and it's not a screamer by -any- slight of the imagination) |
| 22:59.03 | s17ence | i'm trying to add the compressed file i download to the list of splash screens in the kde control center and when i do so it pops up an error saying it cannot load the themes config |
| 22:59.09 | aseigo | litb: tbd |
| 22:59.24 | litb | to be "d" ? |
| 22:59.31 | aseigo | determined |
| 22:59.32 | litb | or what does that mean? |
| 22:59.34 | litb | ah |
| 23:00.07 | aseigo | s17ence: odd... and these are splash screens, not bootsplash screens right? |
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| 23:00.28 | loswillios | aseigo: ok thanks for your help. maybe I should try it out |
| 23:00.29 | s17ence | yup |
| 23:00.45 | s17ence | wait |
| 23:01.08 | s17ence | hum |
| 23:01.31 | s17ence | the title of one i downloaded is it KDE Splash Screen, but it's called SHODAN bootsplash |
| 23:01.31 | s17ence | :| |
| 23:01.44 | aseigo | that would probably be your reason right there |
| 23:01.52 | s17ence | gay |
| 23:02.42 | aseigo | it likes other bootsplashes of the same gender? |
| 23:03.11 | aseigo | or ... that was just a statement of general mirth, using the quainter meaning of yesterday? ;) |
| 23:03.19 | s17ence | :P |
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| 23:03.55 | s17ence | how do i go about installing bootsplash screens |
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| 23:04.26 | s17ence | i only know how to do kdm themes and splash screens >< |
| 23:05.25 | aseigo | s17ence: let me teach you to fish. in konqi's location bar (or in the run command window for that matter =) type this: apps:bootsplash |
| 23:06.01 | aseigo | your distro may or may not package it for you (mine doesn't) but there it is in all its wonderific glory |
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| 23:06.23 | s17ence | thanks :D |
| 23:07.35 | aseigo | and hopefully it works for you. seems the app is somewhat buggy on some OSes... you can also, of course, do it "by hand". google can probably help you find instructions there |
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| 23:08.01 | s17ence | hope it works on sabayon |
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| 23:11.36 | cesar_ | hi |
| 23:12.25 | s17ence | lol i don't even know if this installed |
| 23:13.54 | jsubl2 | anyone know a url on setting up fax in kde |
| 23:14.14 | gnoob | I did that once a long time ago. |
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| 23:15.11 | gnoob | Does Kdeprintfax not do if for you? |
| 23:15.26 | jsubl2 | will look thanks |
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| 23:24.42 | Jacob | is there a fedora channel? |
| 23:25.58 | Jacob | is there a channel for fedora anybody? |
| 23:26.16 | x_link | #Fedora? |
| 23:26.30 | x_link | Shouldn't be so hard fo figure that out. |
| 23:26.50 | Jacob | i'm entering that but it's not going through |
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| 23:28.05 | Jacob | i know i'm in the wrong channel, but does anybody know how to remove Fedora |
| 23:28.34 | Jacob | ...I can't boot from disks, or fedora made it difficult to boot my disks |
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| 23:41.20 | timrs | hey, i can't login to my user in kde because dcopserver isn't running, and won't run |
| 23:41.37 | timrs | im in irc as root even, i know thats a terrible idea |
| 23:42.15 | tsb | Is there an easy way for me to work on kopete for kde4 while still using kde3? I thought I'd have a go at kde development for the first time, on kopete, but I don't want to work on the 3.5.x branch if it may be repeating work etc |
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| 23:45.07 | hudsy | * IMPORTANT: some Java tools are not available on some VMs on some architectures |
| 23:45.09 | hudsy | what happens? |
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| 23:47.24 | timrs | iceauth is refusing to let me run dcopserver and i can't login, how do I fix this? |
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| 23:48.37 | tsb | How do I checkout /branches/KDE/3.5/kdenetwork/kopete/ ? If I use svn+ssh I need an account, I don't have that.. |
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| 23:50.32 | tsb | anonsvn, got it.. |
| 23:50.39 | hudsy | http://pastebin.ca/676351 |
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| 23:53.48 | BlackBsd | hi anyone using kmail to view gmail |
| 23:54.22 | timrs | yes |
| 23:54.38 | BlackBsd | im having issues when i want to use different pcs. some email will be on one box and some on the other. |
| 23:54.48 | BlackBsd | is there any kinda solution to this issue? |
| 23:55.12 | BlackBsd | without having to tar up my /Mail directory |
| 23:55.21 | timrs | then on gmails website there are options to make the info stay on server and not archive, etc. |
| 23:55.35 | BlackBsd | i have tried to leave messages on server and such |
| 23:55.43 | timrs | or you can go into kmails settings and select leave mail on server by default, that might help |
| 23:56.00 | timrs | thats the best i can think of |
| 23:56.17 | BlackBsd | i am doing that |
| 23:56.38 | BlackBsd | it seems that kmail mark the message as grabbed and gmail keeps track of that |
| 23:57.48 | wolsni | BlackBsd: i have a gmail account set up in kmail and the mails are still viewable on the website |
| 23:57.56 | wolsni | i don't use any other clients though |
| 23:58.05 | timrs | I need help, dcopserver yields this output: http://pastebin.ca/676357 |
| 23:58.41 | BlackBsd | well all the mail is viewable from the web |
| 23:59.20 | BlackBsd | its just the the other kmail instance asks gmail what new messages are available and gmail does not tell kmail about the messages that have already been downloaded. |
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| 23:59.52 | BlackBsd | it sounds logical, except when your using different computers. |
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