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00:02.11RichiHwolsni: http://growl.info/
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00:02.19wolsniRichiH: ah
00:02.21ubuntu_Hello
00:02.25RichiHwolsni: it is a generic popup application
00:02.28ubuntu_http://www.jamaicaelections.com/general/2007/info/constituency.php
00:02.32RichiHyou send stuff to it, it pops up
00:02.32wolsniRichiH: yes, kde has a notification framework
00:02.45RichiHwolsni: dcop-enabled?
00:02.53wolsnidunno if it's dcop enabled
00:03.00ubuntu_can someone go to that site in konqueror and tell me if they get buttons at the drop down box near the bottom of the page
00:03.00sysop2although with kdialog and netcat you could write your own.
00:03.04wolsnibut you can make popups with kdialog
00:03.08RichiHwolsni: how can i create a few test messages?
00:03.17AnonycatIn the style customizer, what does "Fix parentless dialogs" mean?
00:03.21wolsnikdialog --passivepopup blah
00:03.23wolsnii think
00:03.31wolsnikdialog --help to be sure
00:03.43RichiHwolsni: that works, yes
00:03.50RichiHit is ugly as all three hells
00:03.52sysop2yep.  hey anyone here use the --embed option on kdialog?
00:03.53RichiHbut it works :)
00:04.21cbpyeis there any way to modify the visible columns in Kate's filesystem browser?
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00:05.14sysop2better yet can someone point me to an example using --embed on kdialog.
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00:07.13ubuntu_http://www.jamaicaelections.com/general/2007/info/constituency.php
00:07.15ubuntu_can someone go to that site in konqueror and tell me if they get buttons at the drop down box near the bottom of the page
00:07.52sabgentonas of kde357 my 7 button mouse can  click to scroll left and click to scroll right
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00:07.58sabgentoncan i change this?
00:08.01sabgentoncan
00:08.04sabgenton'find a way
00:08.09sabgentoncan't
00:08.32sysop2ubuntu I cant see any buttons near the drop down box
00:08.44DawnLighthow do we spell it, konqi, right?
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00:10.18sabgentonany one know where in control center I  can stop my mouse scrolling left and right?
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00:13.14wolsnisabgenton: i don't think that's in the control center
00:13.25wolsniwhat do you want those keys to do, anyway?
00:13.29sabgentonwolsni: is it fixed
00:13.44sabgenton?
00:13.53Ungi_#konversation
00:13.56wolsnisabgenton: i believe there's a tool you can use
00:13.59DawnLightwho wants firebug in konqueror? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141048
00:14.02wolsnixmodmap or something along those lines
00:14.15sabgentonwolsni: na i just wanted to do it in kde
00:14.20Sho_DawnLight: Do you know the existing JavaScript debugger, btw?
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00:14.47sabgentonwolsni: i cant remmber that in 355 is that a feature of 357
00:14.48sysop2you can use xmodmap with kde. infact it was the only way to get kde to recognize most of my buttons
00:14.50sabgenton?
00:15.07DawnLightno, Sho_, does it help with visual design?
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00:15.17wolsnisabgenton: i only have 5 buttons on my mouse
00:15.32wolsniwell, wait a second
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00:15.40Sho_DawnLight: Nope
00:15.44wolsnicome to think of it my touchbad counts as a 7-button mouse
00:15.44sabgentonsysop2: i jus which kde in the konquor settings had a think where u could put  actions to a mouse button
00:15.54wolsnii've been able to scroll with it as long as I can remember
00:16.42sabgentonsysop2: have u knowtice that in kde355 u could't scroll left and right but in 357 u can?
00:17.22sabgentonthats the only thing i don't like about kde u can  set buttons to do a bunch of stuff
00:17.23sysop2sabgenton, hmm dont know. I used xmodmap to make granny keys on my keyboard work. havent tried the extra buttons on my mouse yet. I wrote a script to make it easy to setup xmodmap under kde. I can send it to you if you wants. its a bash script using kdialog. its a hack but it works.
00:18.36sabgentoni also wish i could tell the win key to bring up the kmenu
00:18.36sabgentonbut i HAVE to do a win + something
00:18.36sabgentongrr
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00:18.37sabgentonim shure there is a way to do that in gnome
00:18.45sabgentonmabye kde 4 will have it
00:18.47sysop2here is my problem I would press my keys in the kde setup and kde wouldnt recognize them. then I used kmodmap to map them to xfunctions then kde would see the keys
00:19.43sysop2not the same as your problem, sorry.
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00:19.44ubuntu_sysop2: thanks
00:19.49sysop2np ubuntu_
00:20.25ubuntu_Wonder why that happens
00:20.26sabgentonthey kmodmap
00:20.28sabgentonhmm
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00:20.44sysop2xmodmap sorry
00:20.52sabgentonoh
00:20.59sabgenton:(
00:21.01sabgenton:P
00:21.34sabgentonkde seems to be getting better though   my side buttons at least do somting now
00:21.44sabgentonscroll that is
00:22.17sabgentonim guessing it was intended for thouse mice where u can move the wheel side to side
00:23.44sabgentonkde4 must have someting at its release
00:24.00ubuntu_Must it?
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00:34.19sysop2hey is there going to be a kde4 release party?
00:34.42aseigosysop2: yes =)
00:34.48timrsis there a way to add your own language to highlight into kwrite or kde's embeded advanced text editor?
00:35.04aseigosysop2: there's a big one, including a dog-n-pony show for press types, jan 17-18 in mountain view, california
00:35.18sysop2sweet where and when! I will show up. although I will be in peru in january. so if they are late I might miss it.
00:35.50aseigotimrs: yes... if you look in `kde-config --prefix`/share/apps/kateaprt/syntax/ you'll see the general idea
00:36.09aseigosysop2: the date for the event is fixed in stone at this point.
00:36.24aseigosysop2: we made it way after the release date we expected (at the time october) so we could allow for slippage
00:36.31aseigosysop2: wisdom, it turns out ;)
00:37.06aseigosysop2: where -> google's hq ... when, the 17th all day and hacking on the 18th, assuming some of us manage to get vertical ;)
00:37.21aseigosysop2: we'll be announcing details in the next couple of months.
00:37.28aseigoe.g. before november
00:38.20aseigowe're also planning on some events on the same day in places like berlin ...
00:38.21aseigoand hopefully people in the wider community will set up their own little parties =)
00:38.25aseigowe're working on getting the presentation part webcast live so others can "tune in" and join for that part too
00:39.03sabgentonheres another anoying thing i changed konqueror so middle click opens a page in new tab   no window so i don't have to ctrl middle click
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00:39.15sabgentonbut now ctrl middle click does nothing
00:39.17timrsaseigo: thnx
00:39.29aseigotimrs: np.. i think there is docu on the web about this as well ...
00:39.40sabgentoni  can make it the way to open new window instead
00:39.54aseigotimrs: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/kate/katehighlight-system.html
00:40.09aseigotimrs: btw, in kde4, you can now script these i believe using js and what not
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00:42.31timrsaseigo: thnx
00:43.49stonedhey guys
00:45.49timrshey
00:45.56Angelussup stoner
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00:56.03stonedhi Angelus
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00:56.17sabgentoncan   i write closed source in kdevelop
00:56.20sabgentonin KDE/qt c++
00:56.25sabgentonor is it to closely conected to qt desiner
00:56.29sabgentonI have both instaled so I wondering if kdevelop depends on the other, i wouln't know
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01:01.00phluxHow do I get rid of the image on the left of the "KMenu"?
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01:03.16phluxgot it
01:05.28akSeyahi there... i'm trying to install kde4 system wide wish kdesvn-build... is there a good tutorial anywhere?
01:07.15akSeyai am following almost the same steps to install to only one user, but i believe that the .bashrc is what i'm missing..
01:07.35akSeyaI created another file with that content and executed it before start compiling
01:07.44akSeyabut looks like it didn't work...
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01:12.39DaSkreechakSeya: techbase I think
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01:22.12akSeyaDaSkreech, yeap.. that's the one i'm following.. but i didn't find anything on how to do a system wide installation.
01:22.24phluxIs there a program with KDE that will mount an NTFS harddrive for me? :P
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01:23.50BonBonTheJonphlux: fstab can do it
01:24.06phluxDid I mention it's remote? :\
01:24.39akSeyahere is the kdesupport error log: http://pastebin.com/m1c188935
01:24.57BonBonTheJonphlux: I dont know if you can do that. You could do it with NFS
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01:26.58akSeyaphlux, the  NTFS harddrive is on a remote machine and you want to mount it localy?
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01:27.58phluxakSeya, Exactly
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01:28.13akSeyaremote on the same LAN or on internet?
01:28.17phluxsame LAN
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01:28.59akSeyahum.. so it's easy..
01:29.15akSeyajust make the HD avaible for other on the lan
01:29.22akSeyausing windows sharing
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01:29.30akSeyathen mount it with samba
01:29.41BonBonTheJonphlux: ahhh... Samba.
01:29.47akSeyamount -t smb //xp_machine_IP/xp_share /local/mount/point"
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01:30.15phluxI need to supply a password for it
01:30.24phluxWell, username and password
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01:30.32phluxIt's Vista's filesharing stuff on that box
01:30.50phluxso I need to supply a username, password, uid and gid
01:31.16akSeyayou can probably leave it blank
01:31.26phluxnope :\
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01:31.47akSeyawith XP it works.. don't know much about Vista :(
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01:32.52akSeyaphlux, have you tried Administrator and vista admin password?
01:33.22phluxI don't know how to give "mount" the option to supply a password
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01:33.33phluxwould it be -o username=Kevin,password=password?
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01:35.18akSeyaphlux, yeap.. that's it
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01:36.03NetDudecan anyone tell me how to enable tcp port 6000 listening on kde/kdm fedora core 7? there is a nolisten line which I removed but still nothing listening to port 6000
01:36.11NetDudeafter restart of course
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01:43.56akSeyai have qt-copy installed system wide.. may be this the cause of that errors?
01:44.11akSeyahttp://pastebin.com/m1c188935
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02:02.12derek__akSeya: when you ran it, what was the command?
02:02.19derek__akSeya: cmake that is
02:02.39akSeyaderek__, i'm using the kdesvn-build script
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02:04.21derek__akSeya: there must be something borked in the script.
02:04.37akSeya:(
02:04.46akSeyaderek__, what do you suggest?
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02:05.41aseigoakSeya: try deleting /src/kdesvn/build/kdesupport/CMakeCache.txt and start again
02:05.51akSeyaaseigo, already did that :(
02:06.08aseigook, try deleting /src/kdesvn/build/kdesupport
02:06.15derek__akSeya: do you have a link handy for kdesvn-build? I could look but...
02:06.38akSeyaderek__, just one sec..
02:07.02akSeyaderek__, http://kdesvn-build.kde.org/
02:07.09aseigoakSeya: btw, you should also try and install the redland packages for you system so you get nepomuk =)
02:07.20JucatoDaSkreech: bow to aseigo more :)
02:07.34akSeyaaseigo, yeap.. also did that :p
02:07.39Jucatohahah
02:07.46Jucatoaseigo, the great survivor of nanakuli :P
02:07.57aseigohaha.. yeah... that was so funny..
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02:08.19DaSkreechmust.. sta....
02:08.50derek__somehow I think something released on may 11 2007 probably won't work :)
02:10.15Jucatoaseigo: kuick Qt/KDE widget question: is it possible to create non-rectangular/irregular shaped widgets using Qt? for example a window or a button shaped in (aseigo's?) head?
02:11.12DaSkreechalphaed pngs? :)
02:11.45Jucatosvg's would be better... heheh
02:11.53aseigoJucato: sure http://trolltech.com/developer/knowledgebase/356/
02:12.10Jucatoyay!! thanks! :)
02:12.49aseigoJucato: if you don't care about propagating events, you can just not paint the areas you want transparent
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02:13.18aseigoJucato: but if you want proper event propogation and what not you need to set  a mask
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02:13.47suddentwhen i try to open a .exe it askes me what to open it with. what program do i select
02:14.02akSeyasuddent, do you have wine installed?
02:14.06suddentnope
02:14.09suddentim guessing i need that
02:14.22Jucatoaseigo: thanks! I'm building up references. just got my Qt 4 (trolltech) book a month back. so excited to finish my C++ stuff and move on to Qt and eventually to KDE :)
02:14.25DaSkreechsuddent: what Exe?
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02:15.05suddentim trying to install wow
02:15.26DaSkreechOh yeah
02:15.30DaSkreechreally need wine for that :)
02:15.33suddentok
02:15.40suddentdoes 0.9.44 work?
02:15.45DaSkreechI'm sure that's been thorughly docuemtned
02:15.57suddentalso does ventrilo work with linux?
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02:20.07suddenthello?
02:20.26danf_1979world
02:20.32suddentlol..
02:20.38wolsnisuddent: wine questions don't really belong in this channel
02:20.44suddentok
02:20.46suddentsorry
02:20.48wolsnii believe they have a compatibility list online
02:21.06wolsnihttp://appdb.winehq.org/
02:21.09DaSkreechsuddent: http://winehq.org
02:21.18suddentthanks
02:21.37Jucatosuddent: #winehq too
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02:23.44downsum, I'm getting a weird problem with fuse and using gwenview to look at a custom filesystem
02:23.47gnoobdoes kopete have a graphic that shows me when I have an e-mail?
02:23.57downs(the fuse mod is selfmade; it's my first try)
02:24.09downsso, gwenview tries to generate thumbnails, manages to create one, then crashes with
02:24.20downsASSERT: "subjobs.isEmpty()" in thumbnailloadjob.cpp (567)
02:24.20fearlgnoob: for MSN and Yahoo it does... rather annoying cuz I can't find where to turn it off... I use my yahoo account for Junk
02:24.33Jucatognoob: yes
02:25.04gnoobwhere does it show up?
02:25.07downsthumbnails work in konqueror.
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02:25.19Jucatognoob: Settings -> Configure Notifications
02:25.25Jucatofearl: for you too
02:25.27fearlgnoob: By default... it is a pop up.
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02:26.12gnoobyes, I see the pop up but if i miss the pop up is there anything else that will tell me like a e-mail icon or something?
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02:26.29Jucatohm.. no...
02:26.35Jucatothat would be the work of an e-mail client though..
02:27.07gnoobOK, thanks.
02:27.27fearlgnoob: kmail can chill in the system tray... surely better?
02:27.36wolsnignoob: you could make it pop up a messagebox
02:27.58fearlgnoob: Instant Messengers are for... umm... instant messaging....
02:28.34fearlwolsni: Hotmail is shit... yahoo makes you pay for POP access.
02:28.55wolsnifearl: which of those comments helps gnoob with his problem?
02:29.31fearlwolsni: You'll notice it wasn't a comment directed at him.....
02:29.34killown|awaywhat's new of kde4?
02:29.48fearlkillown|away: easier to say what is similar...
02:30.02fearlkillown|away: developer.kde.org has a feature list afaik
02:30.14wolsnikillown|away: check out the pillars of KDE articles on dot.kde.org also
02:30.22killown|awayty
02:30.23wolsni*KDE4
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02:36.18downsno ideas?
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02:37.48derek__downs: that error comes when a qlist is accessed that is empty.
02:38.14downserm, I'm kinda a fs newb
02:38.15downsqlist?
02:38.37downsoh, it's a qt thing
02:38.43downs:headscratch:
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02:41.03derek__downs: your fuse mod is probably the problem :)
02:41.16downsyeah ._.
02:41.32downsthe problem is that it doesn't crash (anymore) and other apps seem to work
02:41.40downsso it's kinda hard to find out what the problem is
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03:02.11SweetandyWhy does everybody hate the GNOME? It's like, the best thing since sliced bread.
03:02.27gnoobAre you a troll?
03:02.39DaSkreechSweetandy: according to the latest polls People actually use it more
03:02.49DaSkreechSo I'm not sure where you are getting that from
03:02.52gnoobBecause of Ubuntu
03:02.57DaSkreechShhhhhh
03:03.03DaSkreechDon't feed the Sweetandy
03:03.12SweetandyDaSkreech: I second gnoob's statement
03:03.16SweetandyAwe...
03:03.18SweetandyI'm not a troll
03:03.42DaSkreechSweetandy: then go ask the question in a non biased chan
03:03.44SweetandyEverybody I talk to seems to despise it, though it is so much more that perfect to me. I've even used KDE for... well, the majority of my Linux life.
03:03.46DaSkreech##linux for starts
03:03.58SweetandyGood idea.
03:04.02DaSkreechthank you
03:04.24gnoobor ask in the gnome channel.
03:04.38SweetandyDid.
03:04.42DaSkreechSweetandy: and if you want to start something up in a gnome camp remember they have their own IRC server #gnome isn't officail
03:04.54DaSkreechofficial
03:04.55SweetandyAh, all right.
03:04.58saeedhi all
03:05.04DaSkreech#gnome on irc.gnome.org
03:05.04SweetandySay, what IS a troll? I thought that troll=flamer.
03:05.09saeedhow do I reinstall styles I have lost:?
03:05.29gnoobI think anyone that tries to cause trouble is a troll.
03:05.34SweetandyDaSkreech:  Wow, response from non-biased channel: Because it sucks.
03:05.42DaSkreechha ha :)
03:05.51saeedthere are plenty of styles that came with my distro (Sabayon Linux) by default, but somehow, I have lost all except 3 or 4
03:05.59saeedhow do I reinstall them?
03:06.04DaSkreecha troll is someone who makes a statement simply to provoke a reaction and has no real interest in the answer
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03:07.10gnoobYep, if you want to know why someone would not like gnome. Try it yourself and see.
03:07.19SweetandyWell... I would appreciate it if somebody could actually tell me why people diss the GNOME rather than just saying Because it sucks *rolleyes* lol, but I guess I'll move along since this is, as you said, probably not the best channel for the question
03:07.36Sweetandygnoob: I use the GNOME and am totally obsessed with it.
03:07.42DaSkreechSweetandy: It's two very different ideas of building a DE
03:07.54DaSkreechif you don't subscribe to it then it's very grating
03:08.22DaSkreechit's very similar to people who simply cannot use KDE
03:08.27gnoobIt's been a long time since I have tried gnome.
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03:08.40DaSkreechSweetandy: Which Distro btw?
03:08.47gnoobIt's like trying to move to OSX from windows.  It just makes not sense.
03:08.51gnoobno*\
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03:09.08gnoobOSX is a crazy designed interface.
03:09.17SweetandyDaSkreech: Erm... currently Ubuntu, though I used to use Debian and FreeBSD
03:09.17DaSkreechgnoob: more like trying to move to OSX from BeOS
03:09.29DaSkreechSweetandy: Yeah they do a good job of polishing Gnome
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03:09.46gnoobI have not tried BeOS
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03:10.37DaSkreechSweetandy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
03:10.45DaSkreechgnoob: try HaikuOS
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03:13.50gnoobLooks interesting.  Looks simplistic.
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03:14.45DaSkreechYeah but quite pliable
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03:15.15DaSkreechWhere as macOSX is gorgeous but quite a stick in the ...
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03:15.51gnoobI need to clean up my HDD and try something like that.  just to say I did.
03:16.04marioHola alguien habla castellano?
03:16.44DaSkreech#kde-es
03:17.09mariook Thanks
03:19.15downsI can't figure out why gv doesn't work ._.
03:19.42downs*gwenview
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03:21.03deatheaterso yeah they banned me from #saybayon
03:21.13deatheaterhope i spelled that right
03:21.31deatheateri wonder if you can help me with my problem
03:21.34deatheateruhh
03:22.07deatheateri need to get my kernal sources
03:22.23deatheaterso that vmware can fdetect the version
03:22.31deatheaterwhoops
03:22.37deatheater**detect
03:23.51gnoobdeatheater; why did they ban you>?
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03:25.48deatheateri mimmiced wolfden
03:25.53deatheaterthat bastard
03:26.02deatheateri was sakurako then
03:26.10deatheaternow i am deatheater
03:26.36deatheaterhe got all mad and stuff
03:26.42deatheaterif i had his ip
03:26.54deatheaterlets just leave it at that
03:27.53deatheater#sabayon-dev-help
03:28.03deatheaterhey it worked
03:28.06deatheaterbye
03:28.55downshah! fixed it
03:29.04downsapparently, gwenview can't deal with the file dates being 0.
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04:02.37CPrgmSwR2Can anyone offer me help on compile #kde
04:02.52CPrgmSwR2I am getting some strange errors that are not normal
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04:37.39logwq"nvidia quadro 3400" driver couldn't be configured,why?
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04:47.47DaSkreechhi CPrgmSwR2
04:47.51DaSkreechKDe4 I assume
04:47.52CPrgmSwR2Hi
04:47.57CPrgmSwR2yes
04:48.05DaSkreechYou followed techbase ?
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04:50.14CPrgmSwR2DaSkreech: yes, I think I found the problem, just waiting to confirm it
04:50.36CPrgmSwR2it appears that when mysql is built with embedded support, it causes stuff not to build in kde4
04:50.55CPrgmSwR2http://rafb.net/p/Fx7Axj33.html
04:51.03CPrgmSwR2there is a view of the error I get
04:51.03DaSkreechok
04:52.35dalhey all, im playing around with ksysguard and its related kicker applet - I figured there'd be a way of getting it to spit out free space on a certain partiton in Gb/Mb/Kb but all it seems to want to do is give me a value in blocks, which doesn't seem to have any direct correlation to human-readable units of measurement - i.e. right now i have 200Mb free on said drive which is apparently 293,310 blocks...does anyone know of a way to get it to give me Gb
04:52.36dalor MB instead? :)
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05:03.41AnonycatDoes anyone have any idea how anything can get into newly-created space below the statusbar in Konqueror?
05:04.07Anonycathttp://soniccenter.org/sm/images/adblockkkkkkk.png - I know it happens when viewing a standalone image, but don't know why
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05:25.27progress0rhey all, is there a way to assign a keyboard shortcut to shade a gvim window? (im trying to duplicate the yakuake console but for gvim)
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05:28.13henghacan anyone recommend a burner software on kubuntu 7.04 ?
05:28.26progress0rk3b
05:28.46henghao
05:28.57stdinpre-installed too
05:29.07henghabtw, is adept manager based on aptitude ?
05:29.10progress0rworks like a charm also
05:29.20stdinhengha: no
05:29.22henghais it the gui of that ?
05:29.25progress0rdunno i always use aptitude or dselect ;)
05:29.41stdinadept is a gui for apt
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05:30.32henghao, is there any gui front of aptitude ?
05:31.04stdintype "aptitude" in a shell, it has it's own interface
05:31.11henghao
05:36.05__CC__wats the channel for oss drivers ??
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05:38.18holycowthere is no such thing
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05:39.16__CC__where do i go for oss issues
05:39.22__CC__my sound too slow
05:39.31holycowdepends on your distro
05:39.47henghaI installed amule and amule-gui on kubuntu 7.04 , however, I got nothing popup after clicking it, any idea to track down the problem ?
05:39.47holycowif you are running kubuntu then its #kubuntu
05:39.56__CC__fedora
05:40.04holycowtry #fedora then
05:40.10__CC__k
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05:44.07DaSkreechhttp://www.thelinuxvault.net/wiki/KDE
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05:47.51pipJucato, Hi
05:47.58Jucatohi
05:48.12pipJucato, Master ,do you know how to delete indexes generated by kchmviewer ?
05:48.18AlphinuxHi, Im on RHEL5 I cant get the moodin thing installed. Any one knows what to do? after the ./make I get a Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
05:48.20Jucatoer.. no.. sorry
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05:49.53pipJucato, KDE often generates some garbage
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05:50.15Jucatoone man's garabe is the system's gold... :)
05:51.05phluxHmm
05:51.17phluxWhat's that command that KDE does when you first start it that sets all of those settings?
05:51.26Jucatokpersonalizer
05:51.29__CC__how do i uninstall alsa
05:51.55Jucato__CC__: have to ask that in #fedora but if you uninstall it, how will you have sound?
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06:20.12danf_1979argh, konqueror keeps on messing with my directories, adding a .directory file
06:20.23danf_1979is there anyway to make it not do that?
06:20.54JucatoI think it's how it saves per-directory view settings. you always have View Hidden Files turned on?
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06:22.28danf_1979no, not always, but this should not be like this. I have plenty project directories and or svn directories that I always browse. I hate having dot files in a tar.gz program
06:22.47danf_1979file*
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06:57.11Borg^Queen1Hi people, I'm trying to build kshowmail, but keep getting this error
06:57.14Borg^Queen1If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
06:57.42Borg^Queen1I have automake 1.10 and autoconf 2.61 installed
06:57.50Borg^Queen1along with all the other devel packages I need to build it,
06:58.02Borg^Queen1How do I reconfig it to use the newer version?
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08:00.53jakobtHello, all my programs using kwallet have stopped working, if i run kwalletmanager nothing happens...
08:01.23jakobti have just reinstalled the packages.. it did not help..
08:01.57jakobti have run "find -iname '*kwallet*' | xargs rm -f"
08:02.10jakobtstill it refuses to start...
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08:02.26jakobtanyone have any suggestions to what i could do now?
08:02.55jakobt(using kde 3.5.7)
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08:11.19AlvaroFXhttp://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=462318
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09:06.14RivaeAeryaI've just downloaded Mac OS X fonts, and i set them up, but they don't look smooth to me.. they look square. How can i fix this?
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09:07.12NarishmaRivaeAerya: have you enabled antialiasing ?
09:07.24RivaeAeryaNarishma: Yes. Full power, RGB
09:08.01Narishmaand the other fonts aren't smooth either ?
09:08.20RivaeAeryanot really smooth, no
09:08.25RivaeAeryanot jagged, but not really round
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09:08.49Narishmacan you take a screenshot ?
09:09.00RivaeAeryasure
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09:10.23RivaeAeryahttp://img372.imageshack.us/img372/8489/fontson2.png
09:10.25RivaeAeryaNarishma: http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/8489/fontson2.png
09:11.28Narishmayeah I see what you mean
09:11.29RivaeAeryaI was at the library a while ago and could browse the internet on one of their computers. it was a mac and had really smooth fonts
09:11.44NarishmaI get things like that with some fonts but not with others
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09:11.52RivaeAeryaNarishma: I get things like that with them all
09:12.07NarishmaI think it's because macs have a different font renderer than linux
09:12.15RivaeAeryahm
09:12.41RivaeAeryaonce i tried out something other than Ubuntu and it had the same smooth fonts as mac. but never on kubuntu or ubuntu
09:12.46Narishmahave you tried playing with different levels of hinting ?
09:12.51RivaeAeryayes
09:12.58RivaeAeryabut not with the RGB settings
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09:14.34RivaeAeryaRivaeAerya: hmm doesn't change anything
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09:15.14tapolet's say I have a model class  ThingPeer with a constant/column ThingPeer::EVENT_TYPE -- how can I access this with $peername = "ThingPeer"; ?  $peername::EVENT_TYPE -> Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM....
09:16.21pinotreetapo: ##c++ ?
09:16.29tapon PHP5
09:16.36RivaeAeryaNarishma: hmm it does change it, if i set it on Middle setting it will get very bold but smooth
09:16.36NarishmaRivaeAerya: here's how it looks on my machine http://enderu666.free.fr/scrot.png
09:16.42pinotreetapo: then #php?
09:16.46tapook
09:18.03RivaeAeryaNarishma: the system settings thing works well :)
09:18.27RivaeAeryaNarishma: yup it solved it
09:18.34NarishmaRivaeAerya: ok
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09:19.06RivaeAeryaNarishma: how can i set the fonts to KDE default?
09:19.25NarishmaI don't know if kde has any default fonts
09:19.33Anonycathttp://soniccenter.org/sm/images/adblockkkkkkk.png - I get an extra icon every time Konqueror's embedded image viewer is called.  Why is this happening?
09:19.35JucatoSans I think
09:19.39RivaeAeryaNarishma: hmm well system default then
09:19.40RivaeAeryaJucato: thanks
09:20.06JucatoAnonycat: online image? might be the Filter/Adblock extension
09:20.09RivaeAeryaJucato: only have Sans Serif
09:20.14Jucatosame :)
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09:20.40Anonycatlocal and remote both cause that; I do have the extension but have no idea what about it could be putting icons in that space or how to stop it
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09:23.07AlvaroFXWhat is the latest version of stable KDE btw
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09:24.12RivaeAeryaThanks. that really solved the whole font problem
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09:27.31bkwIt works to send the commands from cutecom, but not from terminal, why?
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09:30.59Jucatobkw: try asking in your distro's channel or in ##bash
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09:31.41RivaeAeryaJucato: Thanks. That solved the font problem
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09:32.25JucatoRivaeAerya: you're welcome
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10:53.04RivaeAeryaHey. Does anybody know how to tile windows in kde?
10:53.37RivaeAeryalike this: http://www.suckless.org/~jg/wmii-20070228.png
10:53.39RivaeAeryabut then in KDE
10:54.29d347hm4nno sorry
10:54.33d347hm4nis that flux or so
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10:55.43RivaeAeryano it's called wmii
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11:03.11jhatleli1Hi all, I am trying to force X fonts to 96x96. They are at 20x20, My Res is 1280x720 (720p HD). I have tried to add "-dpi 96" and ScreenSize in Xorg.conf with no luck. The driver is a i810 (i915) driver/chipset. I allso set Xft.dpi: 96 in Xresources
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11:07.14solemnwarningHi all
11:07.34solemnwarningHas anyone managed to get konqueror to use a SOCKS proxy created by ssh -D?
11:08.01solemnwarningIt works with firefox but not konqueror
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11:15.58ringercCould konq expect SOCKS5?
11:16.13pipis there any GUI ftp client ?
11:16.22ringercoops, looks like they added socks5 in ssh anyway
11:16.23solemnwarningpip: konqueror?
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11:16.29pipsolemnwarning, others ?
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11:16.58solemnwarninggftp
11:16.58ringercpip: use ftp://user@host/path URLs in konq if you want something KDE-like; otherwise there's gftp I guess.
11:17.23solemnwarningWhenever I try using ssh -D with konq I get an error like this:
11:17.24solemnwarningAn error occurred while loading http://www.google.co.uk:
11:17.25solemnwarningConnection to host www.google.co.uk is broken.
11:17.32pipthanks
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11:19.09ringercsolemnwarning: What does the "Test" button in the socks settings do for you?
11:19.14pinotreesolemnwarning: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147340
11:19.30solemnwarning"SOCKS could not be loaded"
11:20.37solemnwarningWhat am I missing>
11:20.57pinotreesolemnwarning: what you want is not supported yet, see the link i gave you
11:21.14solemnwarningNot supported?!
11:21.22pinotreeread that, please
11:21.23solemnwarningWhy is there a SOCKS tab if it's not supported!?
11:21.35ringercSOCKS is supported, just not the SOCKS provided by ssh apparently; see the bug.
11:22.09solemnwarningWha.?
11:22.21solemnwarningIsn't SOCKS a standard?
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11:23.14ringercYep, but that doesn't mean implementation specific assumptions can't be an issue. In this case it seems Konq's attempt to be smart and auto-configuring is the trouble.
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11:23.37ringercsolemnwarning: You can probably use a SOCKS wrapper though
11:24.28ringercsolemnwarning: On the other hand... you wouldn't be on Debian by any chance?
11:24.29solemnwarningIE has better SOCKS support then konq... >_>
11:24.32solemnwarningYeah
11:24.49ringercOK, please quit with the complaining. I don't even like or use konq, I'm trying to help, and you're whining.
11:24.52ringercAnyway....
11:25.02ringercapt-get install libsocks4
11:25.26ringercIt still fails, but with a different error ;-)
11:25.45ringerckdecore (KLibLoader): WARNING: KLibrary: /usr/lib/libsocks.so: undefined symbol: sockaddr2ruleaddress
11:26.50ringercIIRC you can't strip libraries you wish to dlopen(...) and Debian strips libraries by policy, so it might just not work due to packaging issues. Not sure if that's it yet.
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11:27.04pinotree???
11:27.27pinotreestripping a library just removes any debug information
11:27.37solemnwarningpinotree: Depends what you strip
11:27.43pinotreesymbols are there, especially if exported
11:27.53ringercjust in a form `nm' can't find?
11:28.05solemnwarningHmm
11:28.17solemnwarningIf the libs had no function name symbols shared libs wouldan't work
11:28.39solemnwarningSince normal shared libs that are linked use dlopen() too
11:29.12ringercValid - there has to be some symbol table information present for dynamic linking to work.
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11:30.55ringercI can't get a dump of the symbol table with `objdump -t' or with `nm'
11:31.01ringercboth report `no symbols'
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11:31.24ringerchowever using libsocksd instead of libsocks4 seems to resolve the dlsym() error
11:32.28ringercStill no SOCKS, and no `lo' interface traffic like I'd expect if it was trying to connect to a SOCKS proxy on port 1080 though.
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11:34.45Behzathow to update kde startup bar for new program links?
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11:46.49ringercsolemnwarning: Try this:
11:47.00ringercsolemnwarning: mkdir -p $HOME/.kde/lib/kde3/
11:47.10ringercsolemnwarning: sudo apt-get install libsocksd
11:47.36ringercsolemnwarning: ln -s /usr/lib/libsocksd.so.0.1.0 /home/craig/.kde/lib/kde3/libsocks.so
11:47.40ringercsolemnwarning: kdeinit
11:47.48ringercsolemnwarning: ... then re-run the SOCKS test in konq.
11:48.05ringercer... in the `ln' line that should be:
11:48.15ringercln -s /usr/lib/libsocksd.so.0.1.0 $HOME/.kde/lib/kde3/libsocks.so
11:48.16ringercof course
11:50.40ringercsolemnwarning: It still doesn't actually *USE* SOCKS though - I suspect your MSIE crack was well on the mark here.
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11:52.45ringercsolemnwarning: Seems kurt P views it as still broken as of 2007-06-29 too, see http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23217#c3
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11:53.05ringercsolemnwarning: So while there's an issue on Debian where Konq can't find the SOCKS libraries at all, once you get it to do that much it still won't *WORK*.
11:53.58ringercsolemnwarning: Sorry for being rude earlier, btw. Bad day dealing with users @work.
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12:10.38majorjrkwhats the most used user/group gui tool called ?
12:11.39RivaeAeryaI've installed a style called "domino" but i screwed up the config and now i can't find the config. Does anyone of you know where it is?
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12:12.14JucatoRivaeAerya:  KControl -> Apperance & Themes -> Style ?
12:12.15wolsniRivaeAerya: I believe style settings live in ~/.qt
12:12.26RivaeAeryawolsni: thanks :)
12:12.31Sho_majorjrk: "KUser" in kdeadmin perhaps
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12:22.52BadRobotKDE rocks and Gnome sucks!!!
12:23.54Narishmagnome doesn't suck
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12:36.45hurrhello, I suffered a power outage, and now akregator crashes on startup [gentoo kde=3.5.7 akregator=1.2.7]
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12:38.15tueAll through kde 3.4/5.x, kicker had the problem that it did not reappearing when it was set to autohide. This was over two different computers, distributions, fresh installs etc. Does anybody know if this feature will be avaliable in 4.0?
12:38.47tue(autohide/no animation. didnt run any fancy applets)
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13:00.26tty56hi, I started kde "by hand" (with a different wm), now kicker is running, but the apps with systray icons do not attach themselves to the systray, any ideas how to do this?
13:00.52pinotreeare you sure to have the system ray applet on kicker?
13:01.01fedora_me?
13:01.12pinotree?
13:01.15fedora_??
13:01.31pinotree?? what? i was talking with tty56
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13:04.23tty56pinotree: yep, I have...
13:04.56tty56pinotree: dcop kicker Panel listApplets: clockapplet.desktop; systemtrayapplet.desktop
13:05.01pinotreeok
13:05.30tty56I am not sure if this could be the wms fault, or if I missed something when starting kicker...
13:05.33tty56and kde
13:05.58tty56and if I start kicker with "kicker --waitforwm" it crashes...
13:06.10Sho_tty56: The correct way to start KDE with a different WM than kwin would be to export the KDEWM environment variable to the alternate WM and then use the normal startkde script
13:07.08tty56*** glibc detected *** kicker: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0xb7f10247 ***
13:07.47tty56Sho_: mhh, ok, but the normal script also start kdesktop etc, which I do not want to start....
13:09.03tty56Sho_: but I will have a try
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13:09.47Sho_tty56: I suppose you could modify the startkde script not to start kdesktop
13:10.34tty56Sho_: I will have a look, but I already searched for the place where kicker is started and I could not find it... it seems there is some black magic going on ;)
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13:12.40Sho_tty56: Right ... kicker and kdesktop are actually started via .desktop files in <kde installation prefix>/share/autostart
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13:13.32tty56Sho_: ahh, ok, I guess I grepped the wrong place ;) thanks!
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13:24.41tty56Sho_: I just tried with startkde but that does not work either, I guess there is something wrong with my system... thanks!
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13:38.05tty56mhh what is even stranger is that skype attached itself to the systray, while kde apps dont..
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13:50.09liquidatQuestion about kiosk: if I want to pre-configure an application's rc file like kmailrc, where can I put it? I understand that general configuration is in /etc/kderc, but what about application specific rc files?
13:50.49Sho_<kde install prefix>/share/config
13:54.18liquidatAh, just found it. So on my system it would be /usr/share/kde-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kmailrc where I should palce everything, together with the [$i] flag, right?
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14:11.29RicardoSSPIs there any tool for creating kde themes?
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14:13.03pinotree"kde themes" is a big word, which kind of themes do you want to make?
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14:14.23logixoulRicardoSSP: are you thinking about the Themes available in kcontrol->appearance->theme manager?
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14:15.01RicardoSSPpinotree, making themes to change kdm, the appearance of kde, the logo of the splash of kde ;P
14:15.11RicardoSSPchanging everything I mean :)
14:15.33pinotreethen you have to look for the documentations of the various elements
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14:16.03logixoulRicardoSSP: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs/2.8/thememanual.html for KDM
14:16.05RicardoSSPnice. Or I can download some themes, and see how they work, and what to change there, right?
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14:16.57logixoulRicardoSSP: about "the appearance of kde", there's Icon Themes, Color Schemes, Widget Styles, Window Decorations and Wallpapers
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14:17.43logixoulRicardoSSP: of those, Widget Styles normally require knowing C++ and writing the code for them
14:17.46Jucatowindow decorations and styles are C++ programs
14:17.53Jucatobah I was too late :P
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14:18.32logixoulRicardoSSP: there's also the possibility to make a Widget Style from images only, which is probably what you were thinking of
14:19.15logixoulRicardoSSP: but styles created this way have some drawbacks, such as being slow, inflexible and generally imperfect
14:19.43logixoulRicardoSSP: window decorations, also, are generally written in C++
14:20.12RicardoSSPright :)
14:20.14logixoulRicardoSSP: except those that use the DeKorator engine - sharing most of the same drawbacks as image-based widget styles
14:20.31RicardoSSPSo, I will search there. I'm just reading some tutorials and things like that too :)
14:20.38logixoulk
14:20.40RicardoSSPBut I'm not thinking about work with widgets :)
14:20.44Sho_RicardoSSP: Alternatively you could click and read http://docs.kde.org/userguide/customizing-desktop.html, which explains all of the terminology and how they work
14:20.53RicardoSSPJust changing the appearance
14:21.11logixoulSho_: whoa :)
14:21.22JucatoSho_: ooh you're there. let me thank you sooooo much for split views! :)
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14:21.35Sho_you're welcome ;)
14:21.41Jucatostudying dolphin's source code has never been easier now :)
14:21.41logixoulsplit views? where? :)
14:21.44Jucatook it's not easy! hahaha
14:21.49Jucatologixoul: yakuake svn version
14:21.54logixoulah cool!
14:21.57Sho_Or 2.8_beta1 for that matter
14:22.04Jucatooh yeah lol
14:22.19Sho_logixoul: http://www.kde-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/29153-2.jpg
14:22.46logixoulI hadn't realized the beta had those. cool.
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14:23.19Sho_logixoul: I recommend reading the changelog on http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29153 or in the tarball
14:24.04logixoulokay, thx
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14:24.44JucatoSho_: also thanks a lot for pointing me to lxer.kde.org!! :)
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14:24.58Sho_It's very useful, yeah
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14:27.00Jucatocan't seem to find where KIO::Job is definte though :(
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14:29.37Sho_Jucato: In 4 or 3?
14:30.01Jucato3
14:30.03pinotreeJucato: kdelibs/kio/kio/jobclasses.cpp
14:30.05pinotreeafaik
14:30.09Jucatooh. thanks! :)
14:30.42Sho_In 3 it's definitely jobclasses.h, yes
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14:32.54Jucatoit's weird that I find myself working on things that I don't like initially... system settings, adept, now dolphin :/
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14:33.03acemowhats a really light weight music player?
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14:33.21Sho_picoxine ;)
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14:33.29Jucatohahah!
14:33.35wolsnimplayer at the commandline?
14:33.37Jucatoor sox. both of which are command line players :)
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14:33.40Sho_Jucato: Crash management?
14:33.48Jucatoer.. sorry Trash management hahah
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14:34.49Sho_Jucato: The Dolphin codebase shouldn't really be involved in that
14:34.55acemoany light weight music player that is not command line?
14:35.11JucatoSho_: except if Dolphin (in KDE 3) doesn't have any context for trash:/ at all
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14:35.24Jucatobasically you can't restore or empty from trash:/
14:35.38EvilGuruHow can I set the KDE default encoding, as it is currently iso 8859 but I want it to be UTF-8
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14:36.55Sho_Jucato: Yeah, the context menu implementation in the KDE 3 version of Dolphin is very much application-specific (and e.g. duplicates the service menu handling code, iirc) instead of any sharing going on via the libs
14:37.15Sho_Jucato: That should be significantly better in 4 right now though
14:37.54JucatoSho_: yeah. so I'm practically trying to re-implement the wheel... I doubt you'd like to know why :)
14:38.18Sho_Jucato: I can probably guess (Kubuntu's ludicrous enterprise of using Dolphin in Gutsy as default file manager)
14:38.24Jucato:)
14:38.44JucatoI had to make a service menu earlier so that we can have right-click -> Compress even!
14:38.57EvilGuruKDE must get its encoding choice from somewhere
14:39.01Jucatobut even something as simple as that has given me headaches...
14:39.08Sho_EvilGuru: Such as your locale
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14:39.44Sho_Jucato: In KDE3/Konqueror "Compress" is actually a plugin and not service menus
14:39.51EvilGuruI believe my locale is en_GB.UTF-8
14:40.12JucatoSho_: yeah. that's the problem. it just doesn't exist in Dolphin :(
14:40.30JucatoSho_: and for some strange reason, Dolphin doesn't accept all/all as a ServiceType...
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14:42.01JucatoSho_: I don't think anyone's interested in doing it... :(
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14:42.27Jucatobut thanks to my disappearnce, I guess it's too late to remove dolphin
14:42.30Jucatoer I mean, d3lphin :)
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14:43.47Sho_Jucato: I don't think anybody should be interested in doing it ... the right thing to do is to continue to use Konq in KDE 3
14:44.12JucatoSho_: as much as I want to say that now.. it's a bit too late... I'll try to do damage control :(
14:44.28Jucatoanyway, I'm interested in seeing Dolphin's code too
14:45.43Sho_The code of the KDE 3 version of Dolphin has preciously little to do with the 4 code
14:46.10JucatoI have both open.. that's why I thank your split views so much )
14:46.11Jucato:)
14:46.32Jucatoit's interesting to compare and contrast :)
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14:47.17EvilGuruAny KOffice devs here?
14:47.25Jucato#koffice
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14:49.23Anonycathttp://soniccenter.org/sm/images/adblockkkkkkk.png - I get an extra icon every time Konqueror's embedded image viewer is called, likely because of the Adblock improvement extension.  How is it able to put icons in that space, and is there a fix?
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14:52.43d0uglashi.. any way to get kdm to allow remote vnc connections? i want to be able to vnc into my server and log in as different users without some non-vnc client. Also, for regular kde desktop sharing, how can i get a java vnc client served on 5800?
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14:53.23wolsnid0uglas: just get the java vnc client applet and host it using the webserver of your choice
14:54.02d0uglaswolsni: ok will do.. but any idea about the other half of my question?
14:54.31wolsninot really, i don't need to provide multi-user access to my systems
14:55.17d0uglashrmm.. what about sdm?
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14:55.55EvilGurud0uglas: I believe TightVNC supports new sessions if you get what I mean
14:56.49d0uglastightvncserver, okay i'll toy with that, thanks
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14:58.41logixoulAnonycat: I've always had this problem with Kubuntu, too. No idea about a fix but you could look it up on the Kubuntu bootracker (that's your distro right)?
14:58.47logixouler bugtracker*
14:58.59Anonycatactually it's Fedora 7
14:59.05logixouloh
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15:05.32EvilGuruI have heard good things about both
15:06.18JucatoSho_: yay for you? :)
15:06.29Jucatonot that you have a choice anyway... PPC right?
15:06.51pinotree(what about a rock-solid debian?)
15:06.54Sho_Jucato: That's one of the reasons, yes
15:07.31EvilGuruHave Ubuntu stopped supporting PPC now?
15:07.39Sho_Yup.
15:07.45Jucatofor quite some time now
15:07.46Tm_Tnope
15:07.56Sho_I currently can't get an up-to-date KDE for Kubuntu/PPC, for example.
15:08.00JucatoTm_T: yes PPC has *officially* been dropped
15:08.02Tm_Tnot now, IIRC 6.06 was last supported
15:08.05Tm_TJucato: I know
15:08.14pinotreeSho_: with debian, you can ;)
15:08.32Tm_TJucato: but answer to original question is simply "no" ;)
15:08.34EvilGuruSeems a bit silly if you ask me, as the PS3 is PPC and would be a good way to get Linux into the home
15:08.38Sho_pinotree: I suppose so, but I'm generally not very fond of Debian's toolset, and they've started to apply stupid patches to KDE, too
15:08.54Sho_pinotree: But it's certainly a lot better than Kubuntu, yes
15:09.05pinotreeSho_: surely, kubuntu beats everything else speaking of "stupid patches"
15:09.28Sho_pinotree: Part of the reason for Fedora is also interest in trying something new, now that they have started to have good KDE support
15:09.43pinotreeafter so many years, at last
15:09.51Sho_yeah, but better late than never I guess :)
15:10.23Sho_And being on a six-month cycle too it could be sort of a Kubuntu without the dubious decisions in some way
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15:12.01Jucato:)
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15:15.28Sho_I find Fedora's improved KDE support to be pretty exciting, especially given the prospect that that might filter up to RHEL again down the road ... certainly wouldn't hurt
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15:16.14Jucatohm... KFileItem...
15:16.24Skrot-KDE support as in offering KDE packages, or do they have well integrated configuration-utilities etc?
15:16.45Jucatoafaik, for now packages only...
15:17.01JucatoI can't recall any integrated KDE utils in Fedora 7...
15:17.13Jucatomaybe wolsni has a better idea?
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15:17.24Sho_Skrot-: Well, with Fedora it used to be like this, the distro used to be seperated into two seperate package trees, one called Core and one called Extras. Core used to be maintained essentially by Red Hat Inc and Extras had more community-involvement. Gnome was in Core, KDE was in Extras.
15:17.47Skrot-okay, and now?
15:17.53Sho_Skrot-: Now in the Fedora 7 cycle, Core and Extras have been rolled into one, and Fedora has started offering a KDE spin with a KDE Live/Install CD
15:18.09Skrot-i see
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15:18.33Sho_Skrot-: So they now have a team working on a properly integrated KDE variant of Fedora (but still using lots of GTK system tools atm) vs. just some packages hanging around in Extras
15:19.16Sho_Skrot-: And given that Red Hat Enterprise Linux versions start out based on whatever Fedora is at at the time, and that there is actually a surprising percentage of RHEL customers who consciously install KDE despite the current bad support, chances are a future RHEL is going to end up with a lot stronger KDE support again based on the work done in Fedora
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15:19.26Sho_Skrot-: And that's a good prospect for KDE enterprise usage
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15:19.41Skrot-mhm
15:19.48RicardoSSPkiosk is a great tool, uh
15:19.49RicardoSSP:)
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15:20.37Sho_Skrot-: In Fedora 7, the KDE spin appeared to be pretty solid to me ... fairly unmodified KDE except for Fedora visuals (wallpaper, color scheme), and a reasonable set of pre-installed default apps (i.e. Amarok instead of Noatun, Konvi instead of KSirc, that kind of thing)
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15:21.51DawnLightcan i have two seperate instances of konqueror? i mean that in terms of authenticated sessions. i want to log in to a site using two accounts simultaniously. what i currently do is use firefox
15:21.51Skrot-okay
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15:22.13Sho_Skrot-: So let's hope that's the dawn of another strong KDE desktop distro
15:22.18Skrot-mhm
15:22.43Sho_Skrot-: The Fedora KDE leader, Rex Dieter, gave a talk on the effort on Akademy this year, video is available from the Akademy site, if you want to know more
15:22.55Hestv4hmm, since I changed from gnome to kde, lots of applications fail to start
15:22.55Hestv4X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
15:23.09Skrot-Sho_: I'm pretty content with kubuntu for now :)
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15:25.32Sho_Skrot-: Kubuntu isn't bad, but they've dropped support for the CPU architecture of my laptop and I'm unhappy with some of the decisions they've made, and given that Fedora is on a similar six-month cycle and I'm curious about how life is on Fedora it seems like a good replacement choice for me atm
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15:26.07Skrot-i see :)
15:26.20piotercze
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15:26.41colo_mobileSho_: I'd love to use Fedora, but I absolutely despise rpm
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15:26.53pioterPOLAND ??
15:27.08benJImancolo_mobile: It's technically superior to deb&dpkg
15:27.25logixoulpioter: ---> #kde-pl
15:27.36pioterthx
15:28.05colo_mobilebenJIman: I can kid myself, thank you
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15:28.33Sho_colo_mobile: The last time I've used an RPM-distro for more than a day was quite a few years ago, so I'll see what has changed or not
15:28.35Hestv4ahhh
15:28.38benJImancolo_mobile: dependencies are far more flexible.
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15:28.41Hestv4wacom stuff
15:28.54benJImanYou have things like FRESHENS and ENHANCES as well as recommends/requires
15:28.55EvilGuruRandom question: what is the correct spelling of the word surcome, as in to surcome to?
15:28.56Sho_colo_mobile: My quick stint with the F7 Live-CD and installing some stuff didn't seem particularly painful though
15:29.05benJImanAlso you have file or system based dependdencies
15:29.10benJImanInstead of just package dependencies.
15:29.24Sho_EvilGuru: You probably mean "succumb"
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15:29.40logixoulor surmount
15:29.50EvilGuruSho_ > Google spell checker
15:29.58Sho_\o/
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15:32.11Sho_Hmm
15:32.14Sho_"QT4 Linux builds are now available, complete with support for native QT skins"
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15:33.03logixoulsweet!
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15:33.16logixoulI never really found a good, calm Opera skin
15:33.19colo_mobileyeah, now just MIT, BSD or GPL it
15:33.56Sho_colo_mobile: Yeah, using Opera is inacceptable to me too -- still a nice improvement though
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15:36.53EvilGuruIt is a nice browser, but I prefer open source alternatives (FF and Konq)
15:38.10colo_mobilekonqueror ftw
15:38.19colo_mobileI'm looking forward to webkit integration though
15:38.34killown|awaykio slave sysinfo:/ not works in d3lphin on kde 3.5.7 why?
15:38.37colo_mobileas much as I love KHMTL, it obviously has its drawbacks (in compatibility)
15:38.41Jucatolooking forward to fixes and dolphin integration :)
15:39.03Jucatokillown|away: I think because dolphin is incapable of viewing HTML
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15:39.30Jucatoand sysinfo:/ seems to generate an HTML page
15:39.49killown|awayJucato then in kde4 not goes have sysinfo slave?
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15:40.21Jucatokillown|away: maybe not for Dolphin, but for Konqueror
15:40.29killown|awayJucato, then if it is html can I set it in my desktop as wallpaper?
15:40.33JucatoI don't even know if sysinfo:/ is upstream already
15:40.38Jucato??
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15:41.00Sho_killown|away: Theoretically yes, but it won't be interactive - the khtml desktop wallpaper provider in KDE 3 generates a static .png image that is set als wallpaper
15:41.26Jucatothanks for saving my ass on that one ;)
15:41.26killown|awayaa ok thank you Jucato and Sho_
15:41.30Sho_killown|away: but you can set it to be regenerated in a certain interval
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15:46.34shevyis there a way to edit pdf files?
15:46.53RoeyNO!
15:46.57Roeythat's the problem! :)
15:47.12Roeyyou can open them but you can't fill in forms
15:47.20Roeyif that's what you're referring to
15:47.20logixoulshevy: actually, it's aptly enough called pdfedit ;)
15:47.26Roeylogixoul:  it supports forms?
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15:47.50logixoulno idea, but since it supports editing any text, I guess it supports filling forms too ;)
15:47.53sfmasahi, I've got errors when starting kde.   as a user (not root): http://pastebin.ca/681115
15:47.57sfmasaplease help!
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15:48.34logixoulsfmasa: how are you trying to start KDE?
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15:50.28sfmasalogixoul thanks, i noobed that up
15:50.34logixoulheh ok
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15:50.36sfmasahave a good day!
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15:54.02shevyok gonna try that, thanks logixoul
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16:24.59david__hello all
16:25.08linux_geekhi david
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16:25.52david__i'm in kubuntu 7.04 and missing the design manager in the kde control center. is there a way to install it???
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16:27.21linux_geekguess you might have checked the installation CD
16:28.12linux_geekbe right back
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16:28.57david__its just not there. i'd like to install a .kth
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16:32.29logixouldavid__: I'm in Kubuntu 7.04 too. First of all, make sure you're in K Control Center (kcontrol) and not System Settings.
16:32.34logixouloh wait
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16:32.47logixoulright
16:32.57david__oh thanks....
16:32.57logixouldavid__: so, there go to Appearance->Theme Manager
16:33.11logixoulnp
16:33.17david__thanks a million times. i was in the system settings...
16:33.27logixoulbtw, I thought .kth files worked with a single click...
16:33.32logixoulnp
16:33.34logixoul:)
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16:35.02Jucato.kth are almost practically useless :(
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16:35.54IceD^wtf
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16:36.38IceD^and I have only google web shortcut enabled
16:36.52logixouliirc that's Google I'm Feeling Lucky ;)
16:37.09logixoulJucato: true
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16:37.26IceD^logixoul: no way
16:37.34IceD^it's qrz web shortcut
16:37.39IceD^which I have DISABLED
16:37.54IceD^hmmm
16:37.57logixoulyou may have it disabled, but it still can be the "default" set in konq's config
16:38.02IceD^all web shortcuts works
16:38.13IceD^doesn't matter if they are enabled or disabled
16:38.15IceD^weird
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16:43.13auTONYmousreally general question: I'm using KDE, and I have change the default xcursor theme, butmy GTK apps are still using the old one. What am I missing?
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16:47.17logixoulauTONYmous: a X restart?
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16:49.12auTONYmouslogixoul: Rebooted at least twice since changing it..
16:49.26logixoulhm
16:49.51logixoulauTONYmous: dunno then, have you asked in #gnome too?
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16:57.14marenzanybody in here using rxvt-unicode as terminal?
16:57.33marenzi suffer under this mysterious bug that after starting kcontrol i have a big black border in my urxvt, effect can be seen here http://marenz.kicks-ass.org/urxvt.png, would be nice to know if any other user can reproduce this?!
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16:58.39argoneldoes anyone care about the kde3 api docs anymore?
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17:00.21logixoulargonel: #kde-devel
17:00.41argonellogixoul: whoa, thanks. /me makes the treelist a little wider
17:00.55logixoul:P
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17:02.13Rasihmm
17:02.15Rasihttp://www.moviemaze.de/media/trailer/3493/moving-mcallister.html
17:02.17Rasianyone try to rightclick on this page using konqueror
17:03.09Rasi_normally_ you can only download those videos using rightclick
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17:03.09Rasihere konqueror doesnt do anything when right clicking
17:03.09logixoulRasi: disable js and it works
17:03.09Rasion other pages it does, tho
17:03.09Rasihm
17:03.13logixoulRasi: this site is ran by assholes, do complain ;)
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17:03.39Rasidamn me... that was obvious
17:03.42logixoulheh heh
17:03.45root__Hellos    everyone....   can anyone help his noobie?
17:03.48profoX`how can I change the default file manager in KDE 3 ?
17:03.48theshadowWas it?
17:03.53Digital_PioneerSo I thought KDE4 was doing so well... What's this about it being kicked back to December? :(
17:04.02root__*this noobb
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17:04.11RasiDigital_Pioneer, better be glad they did
17:04.20Rasithe more time to mature, the better
17:04.22profoX`Digital_Pioneer: to provide a -stable- and well-tested desktop environment
17:04.35logixoulprofoX`: change the association for inode/directory
17:04.38Digital_PioneerYeah, but I don't like waiting!! :P
17:04.50Rasithen get yourself a snapshot
17:04.57profoX`logixoul: hmm alright
17:04.57Digital_PioneerIs it usable yet?
17:05.05root__#sabaon
17:05.06profoX`Digital_Pioneer: define usable
17:05.10Rasiwell its ready for finding more problems :P
17:05.16root__# sabayon
17:05.21profoX`root__: what is your problem
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17:06.08root__sigh... generally stupidity and ignorance... I can't get cups to update my samsung printer driver apart from the former s&i
17:06.25marenzi suffer under this mysterious bug that after starting kcontrol i have a big black border in my urxvt, effect can be seen here http://marenz.kicks-ass.org/urxvt.png, would be nice to know if any other user can reproduce this?!
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17:07.05Digital_PioneerprofoX`: Usable to me means pretty much all the features are implemented, but they may have the occasional bug. Apps may crash, but I'd prefer it to be fairly uncommon. Is it there yet?
17:07.22profoX`logixoul: thanks i found it
17:07.37logixoulхз
17:07.39logixouler np
17:07.40pinotreeDigital_Pioneer: then, no
17:08.11_oO-Dad-Oo_profox, just got the nick figured out no longer root_
17:08.28Digital_Pioneerpinotree: OK, so how far is it? (I thought that was what beta meant, perhaps I overestimate the maturity of beta)
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17:08.41Rasimarenz, http://carnager.dyndns.org/urxvt.png
17:08.45Rasino i dont have that problem
17:09.13pinotree_oO-Dad-Oo_: apart the hyper-lamer nick, changing it does not change the fact that you still *are* root
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17:09.43marenzRasi, thanks for trying to reproduce, may i ask for version of urxvt and your .Xdefaults?
17:09.54pinotreeDigital_Pioneer: the best reply i could give you is to try yourself (compiling yourself, or using distro packages, or trying live cd's)
17:09.58Rasiof course
17:10.24Rasirxvt-unicode (urxvt) v8.3 - released: 2007-08-01
17:10.49_oO-Dad-Oo_thanks pino, i am also profoundly new, ergo I haven't the well thought out and stunning nick that you do...
17:11.01Rasimarenz, http://carnager.dyndns.org/xdefaults
17:11.13_oO-Dad-Oo_<sic>  :)
17:11.18Digital_Pioneerpinotree: Yeah, I suppose that's the best way to find out.... (I'm too lazy to do it again, it all died the first time I did)
17:11.48marenzRasi, thank you very much
17:11.48Rasimarenz, i am using KDEmod tho.. so my KDE itself could be different
17:13.19Digital_PioneerOh well, I guess I'll just have to keep waiting. Too bad. :P
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17:13.27Oliveris there k3b channel?
17:13.31profoX`_oO-Dad-Oo_: I don't really understand the problem, and how it is related to KDE (it most likely is not). What printer driver do you use? Did it work before? Why do you think you need to update it? -- and as an aside: I hope you didn't log into the system as "root" as pinotree said, as that is a very dangerous/unsafe thing to do.
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17:15.01marenzRasi, must be my .Xdefaults, it works with your .Xdefaults you pasted, so once again thank you very much, now i only have figure out which setting confuses my urxvt
17:15.02_oO-Dad-Oo_I have just recently installed KDE.  I have the latest drivers from Samsung.
17:15.24_oO-Dad-Oo_I was told i had to log into the root to get the drivers to install
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17:15.33marenzRasi, btw are you already using urxvtd in conjunction with urxvtc? its great!
17:15.47root__witam
17:16.02Rasino, never found the time to try it out
17:16.10Rasiwhats the benefit...
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17:16.35marenzRasi, blazing fast and minimal memory consupmtion
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17:16.56_oO-Dad-Oo_If this forum isn't the correct one, would someone suggest a better one?
17:18.11_oO-Dad-Oo_I have been tussling with this problem for the better part of a week and am stumped
17:18.27profoX`_oO-Dad-Oo_: well you probably misunderstood.. I think you had to install something as the root user, by temporarily enabling root access in a console window (or temporarily starting your filemanager as a root user), but it is bad (unsafe) to run your whole environment as the root user. -- Concerning your printer problem: which linux distribution do you use? And which printer have you got?
17:18.55profoX`_oO-Dad-Oo_: this isn't a forum, it's an IRC channel ;) but we'll try to help though..
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17:19.03_oO-Dad-Oo_ok ty
17:19.22Skrot-What's the problem?
17:19.31profoX`logixoul: hm.. weird.. the default is still Dolphin..
17:19.44profoX`logixoul: even though I put Konqueror in the top of the list
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17:20.16profoX`logixoul: however, it are the quickstarters I try out.. maybe they work differently
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17:21.16sameer99can any body help my how to configure my cam on Kde 3.5 , it is not   supported on the list
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17:22.45profoX`sameer99: if it really is not supported, then you probably can't.. what cam do you have, and what list did you get that from?
17:23.17Rasimarenz, was it part of your distri?
17:23.20Rasii cant find it in arch
17:23.29sameer99the cam is yaschica ez digital 3013
17:23.51sameer99profoX the cam is yaschica ez digital 3013
17:24.01profoX`sameer99: thats a digital photo camera?
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17:24.19sameer99yes , it takes video too profoX
17:24.30_oO-Dad-Oo_ProfoX, I have a sabayon istallation that has KDE 3.5
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17:24.50profoX`sameer99: you want to load the photos on the camera into your computer? how do you try to do that? with a USB cable?
17:24.58volnhello, kmail doesn't recognize spam, i use bogofilter and crm114
17:25.05_oO-Dad-Oo_profox, I have a samsung 510
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17:26.00jbesiehi, i have problem lachning ktorrent on kde4 beta1. Where could i report bug or look for help please ?
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17:26.47sameer99prfoX no , i want to take video shots with it , and yes i am usung a usb cable
17:26.49_oO-Dad-Oo_and ty for your help everyone....
17:28.15profoX`_oO-Dad-Oo_: well, I have no first-hand experience with Sabayon, so I can't really help you there. According to openprinting database it should work with the splix driver for cups. Doesn't Sabayon provide that driver by default? Have you tried installing your printer using your KDE control panel?
17:29.08marenzRasi, i'm using gentoo and it's part of the normal package, see http://software.schmorp.de/pkg/rxvt-unicode.html
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17:30.37marenzRasi, btw nice colorscheme and configuration for urxvt i'll shamelessly make it to my new default config :-)
17:30.55Rasiah
17:30.58Rasijust tried it
17:30.59Rasiworking
17:31.00Rasinice
17:31.06Rasilol
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17:34.40Rasimarenz, just sad if urxvtd crashes and you have 5+ shells open
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17:35.25_oO-Dad-Oo_can anyone help me find a splix driver?
17:35.38Anonycathttp://soniccenter.org/sm/images/adblockkkkkkk.png - I get an extra icon every time Konqueror's embedded image viewer is called, likely because of the Adblock improvement extension.  Why is it putting icons in that space, and is there a fix?
17:36.20marenzRasi, yes i read about that, but don't really care, any other tabbed termn like konsole, gnome-terminal might crash like that if you have x tabs opened
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17:38.33_oO-Dad-Oo_provox, I can't seem to find a splix driver
17:38.36marenzRasi, hrr hrr btw "Crash-free" is a listed feature at http://software.schmorp.de/pkg/rxvt-unicode.html
17:39.35Rasiyea convinced
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17:39.50Rasihmm now is there a way to create a hot-key to start urxvtc in kde?
17:40.00Rasii only know how to do hotkeys in openbox :P
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17:40.42Rasisomething like: Win-Key+U opens urxvtc
17:41.29marenzbut i think it's the right channel to ask :-)
17:41.52Rasi<PROTECTED>
17:44.37marenzRasi, kcontrol -> Regional & Accessibility --> Keyboard Shortcuts
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17:47.23Rasiyea
17:47.26Rasiwonderful
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18:03.33mcscrufflo all, is the new kde beta able to run osx widgets? if not will the final be able to?
18:05.20rdaleno i don't think so
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18:22.38linux_geekhi .. just a small question.. any meeting goin on here ?
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18:22.50LnxSlcklinux_geek, no
18:22.51logixoulmeeting? :)
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18:30.04logixoulmcscruff: I think I read somewhere that it would. Can't find it right now though. Not in aseigo's blog, it seems.
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18:30.49mcscrufflogixoul, i hope it can! need some pointless widgets
18:30.56aseigomcscruff: not until qtwebkit gets an official release ...
18:31.04aseigomcscruff: latest would be 4.1 (due to qt 4.4)
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18:31.41mcscruffooo
18:32.06aseigomcscruff: personally, i wonder if dashboard widget support isn't just one of those "cool! look what it can do!" features that a small number of people end up using ... =)
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18:32.10mcscruffi tried getting an app called jackfield working but no joy
18:32.22aseigomcscruff: not that it'll matter too much since it'll just be another plugin, so no overhead for the other 99% =)
18:32.31mcscruff:)
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18:32.49mcscruffi hope kde 4 is enough to make me switch back from gnome to kde
18:32.49aseigojackfield is a rather horrible hack last i looked
18:33.19Roeymcscruff:  what's wrong with kde3?
18:33.47Roeymcscruff:  and the fact that you're asking this question gives me the impression that you're not at all in love with gnome
18:34.01mcscruffim not inlove with gnome
18:34.07Roeyok
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18:34.17Roeyright that's what I said
18:34.24aseigoRoey: a lot of people switch back and forth ... choice is nice for those =)
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18:34.31Dark_Apostropheaseigo: Hey
18:34.43Dark_Apostropheaseigo: I heard KDE4.0 was postponed...how come?
18:34.56aseigoDark_Apostrophe: to december. people just needed more time.
18:34.59mcscruffkde was very nice when i 1st came into linux, then gnome seemed to run better on all my older hardware so i just stayed with it
18:34.59Roeyaseigo:  heya :)
18:35.23Dark_Apostropheaseigo: When in december do you think it'll be done? Beginning? New-year?
18:35.31aseigoDark_Apostrophe: the beta process is finally on track, but not enough people hit the first one so it delayed a number of things
18:35.40aseigoDark_Apostrophe: tagging i set for the 6th
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18:36.00Dark_Apostropheaseigo: Cool
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18:37.16root__Can someone point me to info on: "datarootdir setting"?
18:37.44root__esp how does one modify it?
18:37.45Dark_Apostropheaseigo: Will KDE4 have a not-quite-as-ugly-as-the-current-one-is version of ksysguard?
18:38.00logixoulroot__: well, you can see where kde is installed with `kde-config --prefix` - is that what you need?
18:38.01Dark_Apostropheaseigo: The current ksysguard is cryptic and rather ugly compared to most KDE apps
18:38.08aseigoDark_Apostrophe: current one == which version?
18:38.11aseigoDark_Apostrophe: kde3?
18:38.13Dark_ApostropheYes
18:38.19logixoulroot__: to change it, edit the $KDEDIR env var
18:38.54root__ty logi, i have a conflict with this setting when attempting to install ghostwriter
18:38.57aseigoDark_Apostrophe: yes, it's been nearly rewritten ... look a lot nicer. you really should just check things out. you have a lot of curiosity and questions, you could self-service those and help the project out with beta testing =)
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18:39.20logixoulroot__: I believe that's unrelated to KDE - try your distro's channel ;)
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18:39.28Dark_Apostropheaseigo: I'm running Debian Sid. I got all the instability I'll need.
18:39.56|Dylan|hi.  my distro is pclinuxos 2007.  i have 4 user accounts other than root, and as of this morning only root can log in--the other accounts crash and restart X before even reaching the KDE splash screen....  everything was working flawlessly before.  20 minutes ago i could start a new session through kmenu, but now i cant even do that.  does anyone have suggestions for troubleshooting?
18:40.03Dark_Apostropheaseigo: BTW, konqueror crashed on me the other night, on my laptop. Mind telling me if the output is worth submitting to bugs.kde?
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18:41.18aseigo|Dylan|: take a look in the ~/.xsession-error file?
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18:41.23aseigoDark_Apostrophe: pastebin it
18:41.46Dark_Apostropheaseigo: K, just gotta boot up the laptop
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18:42.06logixoul|Dylan|: what aseigo said, except it's called ~/.xsession-errors
18:42.20|Dylan|logixoul, aseigo: for which user?
18:42.37aseigo|Dylan|: any of the users which can't log in
18:43.05root__logixoul... i am too profoundly ignorant i am afraid
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18:43.51aseigoroot__: ghostwriter? the distro?
18:44.31|Dylan|logixoul aseigo: all users' ./xsession-errors files are empty except for root's, which has one line: stdin: is not a tty
18:44.38Dark_Apostropheaseigo: http://paste.debian.net/36229
18:44.50|Dylan|how about a kdm log, where might that be?
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18:45.41aseigo|Dylan|: locate kdm.log ... on my system that's /var/log/kdm.log
18:46.18aseigo|Dylan|: it's probably not kde related however, but X ... perhaps try recofiguring X
18:46.26Dark_Apostropheaseigo: Did you have a look?
18:46.44|Dylan|aseigo: http://rafb.net/p/szh1sK77.html
18:47.07aseigoDark_Apostrophe: seems to be in filelight rather than konqueror itself but the bt isn't particularly useful
18:47.30Dark_ApostropheHmm...well, thanks.
18:47.32|Dylan|aseigo: im running perfectly fine with root--is it really necessary for me to reconfig X?  shouldnt that exclude X config as a culprit?
18:47.46Dark_ApostropheIt's better to ask then to submit and annoy the people reading the bug tracker :)
18:48.50aseigo|Dylan|: perhaps, perhaps not. i'm really not familiar with how pclinuxos sets x up (e.g. if it uses a different x config for root or some such) ... most likely issue is permissions related.. hmm. here's an idea:
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18:49.11aseigo|Dylan|: go to console, log in as one of your users, then run X (just X ... by itself... =)
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18:49.21aseigo|Dylan|: look at the output you get on the conole
18:49.23aseigoer, console
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18:49.27|Dylan|aseigo: its based on mandriva a believe, and uses similar configs.
18:49.38|Dylan|aseigo: brb.
18:51.12|Dylan|it seems i cant run more than one X, so brb after killing X.
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18:54.26killown|awayhey. why dolphin on kde 3.5.7 dont show preview videos as http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/56040-2.png
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18:54.58Skrot-eh, sure that's not a mockup?
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18:55.06killown|awaySkrot- ahh
18:55.21xenoterracideis there a way to control konsole through shell scripts?
18:55.38killown|awaySkrot-, how do I it mockup?
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18:55.51Skrot-killown|away: huh?
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18:56.01shiftyis there any html editor that can connect to a server using frontpage extensions?
18:56.04Skrot-killown|away: Mockups are artist rendrings of how they would like thing to be
18:56.20annmaxenoterracide: dcop
18:56.37killown|awaySkrot- ahh understand now
18:56.39killown|awayty
18:56.43Skrot-np
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18:57.55xenoterracideannma dcop what? I tried dcop konsole to see what comes up but that tells me know such application
18:58.26annmayuo need konsole running
18:58.40annmathen use kdcop to browse dcop calls
18:59.53xenoterracideah I've never heard of kdcop... nifty thanks annma
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19:00.45annmayou're welcome
19:03.10shiftyis there any html editor that can connect to a server using frontpage extensions?
19:04.13litbhmm, not that i know of
19:04.21thiago_homeFrontPage
19:04.35litbreally?
19:04.36logixoulhehe
19:04.53litbms has renamed it iirc
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19:05.17logixoulMicrosoft Expression Web yeah
19:05.22shiftyi need one that runs in linux though
19:05.28shiftynvu doesnt
19:05.42logixoulnvu does
19:06.04shiftyit doesnt use frontpage extensions
19:06.16shiftyi cant get it to connect to the server that doesnt have ftp, just frontpage extensions
19:06.34logixoultoo bad...
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19:06.46xenoterracidehm... is there anyway to control konsole through dcop that doesn't involve specifying a pid?
19:07.01logixoulno
19:07.07logixoulbut there are ways of obtaining the pud
19:07.08logixoulpid*
19:07.15shiftylogixoul: it asks for publishing server, do you know if theres a specific publishing server it uses fro frontpage extensions?
19:07.29logixoulno idea
19:08.22killown|awaySkrot- when mouse indicator it's over a video file dolphin show me a image preview only in lateral bar .. will be possible show in lateral bar the wholy video with mplayer instead of only image?
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19:08.59Skrot-killown|away: Technically; sure, but I don't know if its in the works or not
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19:26.24wolsnisayers: i think there's a context menu on kde-apps.org
19:26.39wolsnialso, krusader can browse iso's like archive files
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19:35.43litbsayers: mount -oloop
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19:38.43|Dylan|aseigo: thank you for your help, my friend.  as it turns out, i just filled up my hard drive last night backing up old distros to delete.  i removed them and resized this partition w/ commercial software and im back in business.  thx much for your help, and have a great day.  :)
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19:45.16jbesieei have a question about dolphin : is the directory tree view planned as in konqueror ? i can't see it in the current version
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19:47.31adamtwhich program starts the battery-monitor?
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19:52.25wolsniadamt: that depends on whether you're using kpowersave or klaptop
19:52.38wolsniif you're using kpowersave just run 'kpowersave'
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19:52.58wolsniif you're using klaptop you need to go to the KDE control center and configure klaptop there
19:53.05adamtwolsni: klaptop, i think
19:53.18adamtwolsni: can't do, i need to start it from a script.
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19:53.57wolsnithen I think you need to look into using dcop to control the kde service manager
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19:55.48adamtwolsni: you're sure it's started from kded?
19:55.50BCMMis Beta 2 out?
19:56.15wolsniadamt: no
19:56.31wolsniBCMM: apparently, there's a review of it on ars technica
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19:59.39BCMMwolsni: thing is, kde.org doesn't mention it
19:59.57BCMMand Ars sounds like it checked out the sources from the repo
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20:00.34BCMMooh the artwork is there now!
20:00.44BCMMbeta 1 still looked like plastiac
20:01.05wolsniaccording to techbase.kde.org it was tagged on August 29
20:01.23jbesieedo you have a link to the article ?
20:01.36wolsnijbesiee: it's linked on dot.kde.org
20:01.42BCMMhttp://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/09/04/testdriving-kde-4-beta-2-or-thereabouts
20:01.51wolsnior that :)
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20:03.03pipAnyone how where kchmviewer stores its index on linux ?
20:03.10pipI wanna delete it
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20:05.26BCMMpip: i don't know kchmviewer, but have you tried ~/.kde/share/apps/kchmviewer ?
20:05.36Doofy_hi
20:05.49Doofy_jemand deutsch
20:05.49pipit isn't in that path 1
20:07.22pipBCMM, I read a chm file with it ,and it generated an index for that chm file, but ugly index that  I want to delete or re-generate ,how to find the index cache file I suppose
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20:11.15BCMMdoes anyone know of a live CD with KDE 4?
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20:11.23BCMMi mean KDE 4 Beta 2?
20:11.38pipSorry now
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20:13.08jbesieei think it's still not officialy released
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20:18.27RicardoSSPHow can I remove the kde actions menU?
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20:22.33orsoscusate se faccio e se faro domande stupide ma sono un neofita di linux o meglio sono alla prima installazione,
20:23.06orsoora sti cercando di capire come funzione il discorso dei pacchetti
20:23.16orso*funziona
20:23.50orsoma non riesco a capire molto, qualcuno mi potrebbe dare una mano?
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20:28.50orsonessuno che mi possa aiutare o sto infrangendo qualche regola del chan che non conosco?!
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20:36.37tsbWhat is the "best" kde voip application? twinkle?
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21:01.05GuySof2hello, when i drag a window in kde up to the top or bottom of the screen it hops to the next desktop. is there a way to disable this?
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21:05.34logixoulGuySof2: yep. kcontrol->desktop->window behavior iirc
21:05.49logixoulsomething about "active desktop borders"
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21:06.32GuySof2iirc?
21:07.08logixoul"if I recall correctly"
21:07.59GuySof2logixoul: i carnt see that..
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21:08.44logixoulkcontrol->desktop->window behavior->advanced->Active Desktop Borders
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21:09.00logixoulI can't blame you, it's kind of like a space shuttle cockpit in there
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21:09.57GuySof2logixoul: i know.. still, if you know the right button, it goes in to space :)
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21:10.26logixoulhehe, true
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21:12.39fab__hy everybody
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21:13.16fab__hi nik11 do you speak french
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21:42.32x_linkDamn, can't find some cool icons.
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21:56.05rickb|serverhello. I just installed kde and when I type startkde kde will come up with quite a few errors, it wont launch applicates, and all the text is just blocks.
21:56.17rickb|serverdid I maybe do something wrong?
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21:57.38opensourcecatrickb|server: wath distro do you use?
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21:57.49rickb|serverFEdora Core 6.
21:58.29rickb|serverEven in a gui terminal it wont launch software.
21:58.41rickb|serverSo I don't even think the whole problem is with kde.
21:59.04opensourcecatrickb|server: so why do you have to run startkde? Fedora should start the graphic login when kde is installed!
21:59.13opensourcecathow do you installed kde?
21:59.27rickb|serverI installed it with yum.
21:59.43rickb|serverI Connect to it via remote desktop.
21:59.44rickb|servervnc
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22:01.00rickb|serverThis is a dedicated server, I have to run it that we because its all ssh and I only need to run kde when I run vmware.
22:02.07opensourcecatah ok, why do not switch to fedora7? what errors pop up when you launch it?
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22:03.15rickb|serverIt is terminating pids, it wont let me run programs from it.
22:03.41timrssorry, wireless internet dropped for a minute: did you post something earlier?
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22:03.48opensourcecatbut kde base (kicker, kdesktop) are running?
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22:06.18rickb|serverAll the text is being replaced by blocks. and it wont execute GUI programs
22:06.33rickb|serverI type firefox and it sits there for a minute then nothing happens.
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22:07.24opensourcecati suppose bad installation/configuration of fonts and localization. too hard for me, sorry!
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22:09.13rickb|serverits ok
22:09.57mohamed_hi, is there translator i can use it in kde ?
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22:10.27opensourcecatmohamed_: for single words or for full texts?
22:10.41mohamed_single word
22:10.57mohamed_i want to be in front of me  all time :)
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22:11.53opensourcecatfrom which language?
22:12.04mohamed_english-arabic
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22:13.16opensourcecatwow.. well give me a second..
22:13.20mohamed_opensourcecat,  sometimes i find complex words for me in english, this is why i want something open all  time
22:15.39opensourcecatmohamed_: i found that ktranslator can do the job, but is a matter to find a dictionary file for arabic..
22:15.46opensourcecathttp://ktranslator.sourceforge.net/dictionaries.html
22:15.58opensourcecati can't see one...
22:16.04mohamed_thx , opensourcecat  i will search for arabic language
22:16.26mohamed_there is one in dict
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22:17.22opensourcecatso i think is just a matter to install ktranslator and point it to the right dict file!
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22:26.51mohamed_opensourcecat, i have another question i installed ktranslator and dict server, how can i adjust ktranslator to read from dictd server ?
22:27.15mohamed_it ask for file language
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22:27.59opensourcecatprobably you have to download the dict file and put it somewhere. no needs to use an online server
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22:28.14mohamed_is not online is local
22:28.41opensourcecatrefer to the ktranslator guide to know where to put and how to thell where the dict file is
22:29.00opensourcecathow to tell to ktranslator...
22:29.14mohamed_ok  i search where the server read from
22:30.33mohamed_thx, opensourcecat  it working now
22:30.59opensourcecatit's a pleasure to have happy kde users!
22:31.45mohamed_i start like kde after using gnome last period
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22:43.03Gokee2In kwrite if it does not detect the type of thing you are editing is there a way to tell it what it needed for a comment?
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22:43.33Gokee2Right now I am editing config files and want it to stick # in front of 50 or so lines
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22:46.47wolsniGokee2: no, but you can enable regex's and do a search and replace ^ with # to put a hash at the beginning of each line
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22:54.06pimeHi
22:54.24pimeAnyone has any problem with KDE? Ask me!
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22:59.44Sho_Bah, and I was just going to ask pime if he knew any cure for Kolf addiction
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23:01.07failurehi, my kde apps don't show tooltips in their buttons, i have activated the tooltips in control center -> behavior, any ideas?
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23:46.42tsbAny regex-applications for kde? several years ago I used something called the regex coach on windows
23:47.46pinotreekregexpeditor, shipped with kdeutils
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23:51.13robert__hi all
23:51.17robert__anyone here?
23:51.39timrshi
23:51.50robert__is there somebody available to help me with installing ati drivers?
23:51.57Sho_robert__: in #ati there is
23:52.00robert__i just can't get it done somehow
23:52.05robert__o,tnx
23:52.10Sho_robert__: A channel dedicated to it, basically ;)
23:52.25robert__i'm joining it , tnx
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23:53.45tsbpinotree: marvelous :)
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23:53.49timrsive never really tried to manually install drivers before, only xpad for my 360 controller
23:54.56timrsits kindof a foreign concept for people used to windows where u just click around to install drivers
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