| 00:00.12 | MinceR | if you get an on-screen virtual keyboard, you can still install any driver by "just clicking around" :> |
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| 00:03.15 | robert__ | hmm sho, i'm sorry |
| 00:03.21 | robert__ | nobody responds in #ati |
| 00:03.42 | pinotree | robert__: be patient there |
| 00:04.10 | robert__ | mm well, im waiting 10 minutes now |
| 00:04.20 | robert__ | should be patient enough,not? |
| 00:04.23 | pinotree | ... so long :) |
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| 00:05.04 | robert__ | ah well, maybe i'll try again tomorrow. actually i have been tampering around for a few hours already |
| 00:05.11 | robert__ | so getting tired of being stuck |
| 00:05.37 | robert__ | is there anyone willing to help me on track? |
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| 00:06.40 | stoned | robert__: whats up |
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| 00:07.01 | stoned | robert__: which linux distro are you using| |
| 00:07.12 | robert__ | sabayon 3.4E |
| 00:07.30 | robert__ | gentoo based |
| 00:08.22 | stoned | try #sabayon |
| 00:08.31 | robert__ | hmm, ok, holdon |
| 00:08.32 | stoned | ask them how to install the ati drivers |
| 00:08.42 | stoned | they are the ones who should be packaging the ati drivers |
| 00:08.49 | stoned | robert__: what video card is it? |
| 00:09.10 | robert__ | ati radeon 9000 |
| 00:09.10 | stoned | you might not even need fglrx, you could probably just use the opensource radeon drivers |
| 00:09.17 | robert__ | i already downloaded the install package |
| 00:09.19 | stoned | yeh just use the 'radeon' driver |
| 00:09.30 | robert__ | but can't figure out how to start the installer gui |
| 00:09.42 | stoned | if you were on debian I could help you but I've never used gentoo before |
| 00:09.44 | stoned | or sabayon |
| 00:10.03 | stoned | it is better to ask in the channel of your distro |
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| 00:10.13 | robert__ | hmm ok , i'll try that |
| 00:10.16 | robert__ | tnx stoned |
| 00:10.23 | robert__ | only thing is using the SH command |
| 00:10.33 | robert__ | just can't figure out how to use |
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| 00:12.54 | killown|away | hey, why kbfx is very slow to start? |
| 00:13.44 | stoned | Robertozzz: sh blah.bin |
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| 00:13.51 | stoned | nm |
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| 00:30.04 | cedricshock | Hi. I just moved to a new computer (Ubuntu to Ubuntu) and installed Kmail. I copied my kmail folder (~/.kda/apps/share/kmail) from my old computer to my new one, but it doesn't load up all my accounts. What else do I need to copy? |
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| 00:40.11 | sabayonlive-6484 | greetings |
| 00:40.18 | timrs | ello |
| 00:40.26 | sabayonlive-6484 | can anyonetell me how to mount a usb hard drive |
| 00:41.09 | timrs | mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb --as root, might not be sda1 |
| 00:41.16 | timrs | might want to specify the file system |
| 00:41.25 | Yolanda | or you can use pmount |
| 00:41.58 | Yolanda | which will not acquire root privilig |
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| 00:46.54 | Jucato | or might want to ask how it's done with your distro, in #sabayon |
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| 01:16.01 | sayers | Is there a way to take a presentation in Open office or Koffice and make a movie out of it to play on a dvd player? |
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| 01:19.31 | wolsni | sayers: if you can export it to a sequence of JPEG files I believe it's pretty straightforward to encode it to video with mencoder |
| 01:19.51 | Jucato | o.O |
| 01:19.57 | Jucato | wrong channel :( |
| 01:21.59 | sayers | wolsni: Any guide? |
| 01:22.31 | wolsni | sayers: I believe the man page for mencoder has an example for encoding from a directory containing jpegs |
| 01:22.42 | wolsni | there are quite a few examples at the end of it |
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| 01:26.02 | DeaTH-mATCH | makthar zabboromkom !! |
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| 01:33.36 | sayers | wolsni: Not to make you upset but is there perhaps a GUI tool I could use. It'd make my life a bit easier. |
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| 01:35.03 | wolsni | sayers: i won't get upset, mencoder's lack of a gui is kind of annoying |
| 01:35.14 | wolsni | i think there's a kmencoder on kde-apps.org |
| 01:35.37 | wolsni | failing that, I'm pretty sure digikam can create a video cd from a collection of photos |
| 01:35.55 | sayers | wolsni: That'd be great. |
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| 01:37.08 | wolsni | yep, there's a "Create MPEG slideshow" in kipiplugins |
| 01:37.31 | sayers | wolsni: Can most / all dvd players play that? |
| 01:37.35 | wolsni | so digikam, kphotoalbum, any app that uses kipiplugins should be able to do it |
| 01:38.32 | wolsni | DVD is one of the output options now that I look |
| 01:38.32 | wolsni | DVD's use MPEG2, i think |
| 01:38.32 | sayers | Okay Ill try that |
| 01:38.33 | sayers | if it works thanks very much if it doesnt, im sure I can tinker to get it to work |
| 01:38.57 | WindowsUninstall | right |
| 01:39.10 | WindowsUninstall | DVD uses mpeg2 |
| 01:39.51 | WindowsUninstall | but If you need to create a video dvd you must use the right program |
| 01:39.59 | WindowsUninstall | anyway night |
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| 01:42.16 | gonzaloaf | hi, where does krusader sends the files deleted to trash? |
| 01:43.12 | sayers | wolsni: The binary path for these programs are wrong apperently |
| 01:43.34 | wolsni | sayers: that's probably a problem with your distribution |
| 01:43.51 | sayers | wolsni: Alright so ask them |
| 01:44.00 | wolsni | yep :) |
| 01:44.38 | gonzaloaf | where is the kde trash located? |
| 01:45.02 | Anonycat | trash:/ |
| 01:45.30 | sayers | wolsni: Any clue where they'd be in Kubuntu? |
| 01:45.39 | gonzaloaf | Anonycat, I use gnome, but I love krusader, and configured it to delete files to trash, but I dont know where is the trash directory located |
| 01:45.43 | gonzaloaf | any clue? |
| 01:45.44 | wolsni | sayers: nope, I don't use kubuntu |
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| 01:46.00 | wolsni | gonzaloaf: it's in ~/.local/share/Trash on my system |
| 01:46.12 | sayers | wolsni: Alright, Well do you use a debian based system? |
| 01:46.15 | wolsni | but there are two subdirs |
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| 01:46.49 | wolsni | gonzaloaf: one dir called files containing the trashed files, one called info keeping track of where they go if you restore them |
| 01:47.00 | gonzaloaf | wolsni, thanksssss, is there a way to tell kde apps to use the gnome trash? |
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| 01:47.23 | wolsni | i think they both comply with freedesktop standards |
| 01:47.31 | wolsni | so they should have the same trash |
| 01:49.47 | gonzaloaf | but in my desktop gnome sees the trash empty but krusader put some files in the trash |
| 01:50.20 | wolsni | well if krusader asks you where to put the files I'm thinking it doesn't comply with the standard |
| 01:50.24 | wolsni | but that's just a guess |
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| 01:51.38 | sayers | Hm wolsni this seems like a let down :( |
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| 01:53.54 | wolsni | sayers: noone in #kubuntu to help you? |
| 01:54.25 | sayers | wolsni: ofcorse not :) I have to use a technical distro for technical problems :( |
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| 02:00.52 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I access to kde trash from gnome? |
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| 02:01.33 | timrs | its in .local/??? |
| 02:01.57 | timrs | ~/.local/share/Trash |
| 02:01.58 | apt | it has been said that /.local/share/trash is still were things are supposed to be. |
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| 02:31.33 | Mattchewie | Hello? |
| 02:31.40 | Mattchewie | :D |
| 02:31.46 | wolsni | Mattchewie: hey |
| 02:32.16 | Mattchewie | Hey quick dumb question. How does one set his or hers AIM buddy icon in Kopete? |
| 02:32.28 | Mattchewie | I see it for yahoo and MSN but ..not the aim service :( |
| 02:32.55 | wolsni | Mattchewie: i use the global profile thing |
| 02:33.04 | wolsni | which seems to affect AIM as well |
| 02:33.10 | wolsni | dunno if there's a way to do it per-account |
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| 02:35.08 | Mattchewie | wolsni: thanks I will give that a spin. I knew it had to support it but I didn't know if it was an extra plugin, a profile ...or what have you |
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| 02:42.44 | rapid | how can i stop kicker from loading? |
| 02:43.47 | bluekb | Is there a way to tell akregator to pre-cache certain feeds? |
| 02:43.47 | DaSkreech | HOw do I change colour profies in yakuake? |
| 02:43.49 | wolsni | rapid: "dcopquit kicker" then save your session |
| 02:45.25 | rapid | ta |
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| 02:53.39 | sparr | kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Found version 93, expecting version 94 or higher. <-- help? |
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| 03:05.29 | DaSkreech | Anyone use Yakuake? |
| 03:05.34 | Jucato | me |
| 03:05.44 | DaSkreech | ever had to set a colour profile? |
| 03:06.01 | Jucato | hm? |
| 03:06.11 | Jucato | Schema? |
| 03:06.19 | DaSkreech | Sure :) |
| 03:06.54 | Jucato | haven't tried setting a custom one |
| 03:07.11 | DaSkreech | How do I set one if you know? |
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| 03:07.52 | Jucato | just like you do in Konsole. but you right-click in Yakauke since there's no menu |
| 03:07.54 | _darkKnight_ | anyone here have luck compiling KDE 4 Beta (3.92) on AMD64?? |
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| 03:09.00 | DaSkreech | the mouse!! |
| 03:09.00 | _darkKnight_ | I got an error in kdelibs, while compiling phonon |
| 03:09.03 | _darkKnight_ | http://rafb.net/p/LTwTPb51.html |
| 03:09.06 | DaSkreech | I'd have never thought of that :) |
| 03:09.09 | _darkKnight_ | any solution?? |
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| 03:31.35 | smacnay | Any debian users here know which package kdeprintfax is in? |
| 03:32.20 | Jucato | hm... maybe kdeprint? |
| 03:32.34 | joe7d6 | can anyone help me confirm whether these kde4 packages are beta2? http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4/openSUSE_10.2/x86_64/ |
| 03:32.57 | Jucato | you'll have to ask in #opensuse |
| 03:33.07 | Jucato | or #opensuse-kde |
| 03:33.28 | joe7d6 | Jucato: no one answered there so i asked here |
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| 03:55.43 | jjjacklin | hi everyone, im a new Fedora 5 user having some trouble with CGI scripts |
| 03:56.07 | jjjacklin | for an Apache Webserver (service httpd_ |
| 03:57.17 | Tm_T | it has something to do with KDE ? |
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| 03:57.28 | AmyRose | jjjacklin: Sounds more like something for your distro's channel |
| 03:57.50 | jjjacklin | which would be? |
| 03:57.53 | jjjacklin | :-) |
| 03:57.54 | wolsni | also relevant is the fact that FC5 is no longer supported |
| 03:58.12 | jjjacklin | im using it for school puposes |
| 03:58.18 | jjjacklin | following along with the chapters |
| 03:58.25 | AmyRose | jjjacklin: Oh, wow |
| 03:58.33 | AmyRose | My school used Fedora 2 last Fall |
| 03:58.34 | AmyRose | lol |
| 03:58.48 | wolsni | well #fedora is the channel for fedora help |
| 03:58.53 | wolsni | you need a registered nick to join |
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| 03:58.56 | jjjacklin | #fedora |
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| 03:59.00 | jjjacklin | okay |
| 03:59.19 | jjjacklin | how do i register nick ? |
| 03:59.39 | wolsni | jjjacklin: /msg NickServ help |
| 03:59.44 | wolsni | type that into your IRC client |
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| 04:08.26 | AmyRose | wolsni: Konversation lets me get away with /ns though :D |
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| 04:09.44 | AmyRose | ok I have something to say that I've been wanting to say for a few days now.... |
| 04:09.56 | AmyRose | Do the KDE devs read my mind or what here? |
| 04:10.18 | AmyRose | I am starting to become convinced that they somehow have know exactly what I want in a DE |
| 04:11.04 | AmyRose | I mean it's getting to the point where I honestly cannot fathom how billions of Windows users live without it. :D |
| 04:11.28 | alex[slx] | AmyRose: Ignorance... |
| 04:11.47 | AmyRose | alex[slx]: Yeah... I guess. |
| 04:12.00 | alex[slx] | And the discomfort of change. |
| 04:12.35 | AmyRose | alex[slx]: Yeah... I often convince Windows users that Kubuntu is better than this "Linux XP" CrudDistro because KDE is what a DE should be :D |
| 04:13.09 | alex[slx] | Yeah, I don't like that kinda stuff... Let's make linux like XP. |
| 04:13.09 | AmyRose | And I'm starting to find web developers who want to switch to Linux partially because they think Konqueror is the best browser in the world (no joke) |
| 04:13.30 | AmyRose | Yeah, I instead tell them that KDE is kinda like Windows but a billion times better :D |
| 04:13.38 | alex[slx] | AmyRose: Well... Internet Explorer isn't exactly competition. It doesn't even know how to parse HTML :P |
| 04:14.28 | AmyRose | alex[slx]: Yeah, true, but I'm starting to find web developers who are convinced that Konqueror is the closest thing to perfect in the web browser world, even better than the overhyped Firefox :P |
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| 04:15.18 | alex[slx] | Hmmm... I never really got into konqueror as a web browser. I use opera. |
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| 04:18.03 | AmyRose | alex[slx]: Opera pwns Firefox as far as I'm concerned :D |
| 04:18.32 | AmyRose | I love Opera too, but Konqueror has better multimedia and document format support cuz of the KParts architecture |
| 04:18.43 | AmyRose | and I love Konqueror's sidebar |
| 04:18.56 | alex[slx] | cool |
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| 04:19.27 | AmyRose | Yeah, as in embedded video (like Apple's Get A Mac ads, as a testcase) actually works in Konqueror |
| 04:19.46 | AmyRose | I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get it working in Opera or Firefo9x |
| 04:19.49 | AmyRose | Firefox* |
| 04:19.57 | alex[slx] | Hmm, I thought making a window decoration for KDE would be a good way to learn a bit of C/C++, guess I was wrong |
| 04:20.20 | alex[slx] | AmyRose: Haha, get a mac ads, lol they're great |
| 04:20.31 | alex[slx] | But I can't find the one that has linux in it |
| 04:20.38 | AmyRose | I know |
| 04:21.04 | AmyRose | What strikes me as funny is how they say "Macs have been running Microsoft Office for years!" I must be dumb to think the point of a Mac was to ditch Microsoft |
| 04:21.31 | AmyRose | I mean, Apple even has their own office suite, iWork! |
| 04:21.38 | AmyRose | and they have OOo too |
| 04:21.49 | alex[slx] | Yeah, M$ < *. |
| 04:22.18 | AmyRose | hahaha |
| 04:22.27 | alex[slx] | I mean, every second day they release a "security update" for Word. It's a word processor as far as I know. Why the hell should it compromise my system? |
| 04:22.28 | AmyRose | KDE is the #1 reason I just don't miss Windows |
| 04:22.38 | AmyRose | hahaha, that is SO true |
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| 04:22.50 | AmyRose | but no, Word documents have executable code in them! |
| 04:23.31 | AmyRose | which is just DUMB--how the heck would it be beneficial to have code that automatically executes when you're looking at a paper? |
| 04:23.42 | alex[slx] | lol |
| 04:23.56 | icwiener | OpenOffice has this macro crap as well. |
| 04:23.59 | AmyRose | I mean, Word documents are SUPPOSED to be words and pictures on a page |
| 04:24.19 | alex[slx] | icwiener: I dare say it's a tad better. |
| 04:24.27 | alex[slx] | Afterall, it's untainted. |
| 04:25.07 | alex[slx] | Where would I be most likely to find my KDE sources? |
| 04:25.21 | icwiener | Well, some macro security issues affected MS Office and OOo because they implemented the MS macro stuff almost perfectly. ;) |
| 04:25.51 | alex[slx] | Heh |
| 04:25.59 | icwiener | Your kde sources? |
| 04:26.13 | alex[slx] | icwiener: I'm looking for kdecoration.h |
| 04:26.28 | icwiener | alex[slx]: What distro? |
| 04:26.32 | alex[slx] | Fedora 7 |
| 04:26.55 | icwiener | Hmm, /usr/include/kde/kdecoration.h ? |
| 04:27.22 | wolsni | alex[slx]: i think you want to install kdebase-devel |
| 04:27.39 | alex[slx] | wolsni: Already have |
| 04:27.56 | wolsni | then you should have it |
| 04:28.10 | alex[slx] | oh woops. sorry, I was doing locate kdecorator.h |
| 04:28.11 | alex[slx] | my bad |
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| 04:32.18 | alex[slx] | Does anyone know where I can find a tutorial/Howto/documentation for making a Window Decorator for KDE? |
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| 04:46.28 | AmyRose | alex[slx]: Sorry, I just worship KDE--I don't code it =P |
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| 04:47.19 | alex[slx] | AmyRose: Heh, fair enough. I only worship atm too. I want to get into some more serious coding than php |
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| 04:50.04 | AmyRose | alex[slx]: Ah. I'm definitely not programmer material. I just like what I have.l |
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| 05:10.21 | DaSkreech | AmyRose: technically they dn't have OO.o |
| 05:11.24 | AmyRose | DaSkreech: That depends on your definition of "technically" |
| 05:14.01 | DaSkreech | Neooffice doesn't count |
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| 05:23.28 | dxa | is there a way to export a file from kwrite into html and preserve the code syntax highlighting? |
| 05:23.52 | dxa | like have an html with php source highlighted as in the editor |
| 05:25.24 | Jucato | syntax highlighting depends on the text editor you are using. if you open it in kwrite/kate, the highlighting will still be there. |
| 05:26.21 | jpsalova | Kate has "export to html" at least |
| 05:26.23 | dxa | no i mean i want to write to open a file in kwrite and have it highlighted and then export it as an html (where it will have the same coloring) |
| 05:26.49 | Jucato | aaaah |
| 05:26.53 | Jucato | hm... |
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| 05:27.16 | jpsalova | And it did preserve highlights |
| 05:27.30 | jpsalova | So dxa, use Kate for that |
| 05:27.48 | Jucato | there seems to be File -> Export as HTML in kwrite as well |
| 05:27.59 | dxa | hm ..ok i'll try |
| 05:28.23 | dxa | thank you |
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| 05:30.05 | dxa | what are the key differences between kwrite and kate anyway? |
| 05:31.54 | dwidmann | dxa: kate has tons of features and kwrite is trimmed down |
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| 05:32.01 | DaSkreech | tabs |
| 05:34.10 | Jucato | Kate = KDE Advanced Text Editor |
| 05:35.37 | DaSkreech | Kwrite = K nothing to write about |
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| 05:47.18 | dxa | are kate and kwrite in kdebase? |
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| 05:47.36 | DaSkreech | kwrite is |
| 05:48.06 | dxa | in which pkg is kate then? |
| 05:48.19 | DaSkreech | kdedevelop I think |
| 05:48.34 | dxa | ah k thanks |
| 05:48.43 | Jucato | er? |
| 05:48.53 | Jucato | KDE 3: kate and kwrite are in kdebase |
| 05:49.00 | Jucato | KDE 4: kate is in kdesdk |
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| 05:49.19 | DaSkreech | Righ kdesdk :) |
| 05:49.25 | dxa | cool |
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| 06:00.38 | sabayonlive-2255 | is there a folder sync option when you plug in a usb drive? |
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| 06:17.11 | Soyuz | Following "Getting Started/Build/KDE4" from KDEBase. OpenSUSE 10.2 (KDE 3.5.7). Which reposiotry provides - libredland-devel? |
| 06:17.31 | Jucato | Soyuz: might want to ask in #opensuse |
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| 06:18.08 | Soyuz | jucato: thanks |
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| 06:39.09 | sep | where do i turn off the miniature program window when i move the mouse over the tasklist ? i have been looking in control center without finding it |
| 06:39.49 | Jucato | miniature program window? |
| 06:40.32 | sep | say i rest my mouse over xchat in the list of programs. a small window apperes showing the contents of xchat |
| 06:40.33 | qupada | sep: are you sure you don't have beryl/compiz/compiz-fusion running? |
| 06:40.37 | sep | i ahve beryl |
| 06:40.44 | qupada | well then look in beryl's settings |
| 06:40.48 | qupada | because that isn't kde doing that |
| 06:41.10 | sep | ahh |
| 06:41.33 | sep | that did the trick, thanks a lot |
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| 07:16.53 | Feuerbach | hi all |
| 07:17.11 | Feuerbach | While compiling KDE4 from HEAD i get this error: |
| 07:17.27 | Feuerbach | undefined reference to `std::basic_ostream<char, std::char_traits<char> >::operator<<(std::basic_ostream<char, std::char_traits<char> >& (*)(std::basic_ostream<char, std::char_traits<char> >&))' |
| 07:17.41 | Feuerbach | it happens many times in kdepimlibs and in kdelibs |
| 07:18.09 | Feuerbach | I tried to explicitly link against libstdc++ but nothing changes |
| 07:18.18 | thiago_home | it's a bug in your system |
| 07:18.27 | thiago_home | it can't link simple C++ applications |
| 07:18.40 | thiago_home | get on to your distribution's channel and find out what packages you're missing |
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| 07:21.46 | Feuerbach | thiago_home: as far as I understand, that operator must be defined in libstdc++, not? |
| 07:21.52 | BadRobot | hi there KDE lovers |
| 07:21.55 | BadRobot | like me |
| 07:22.10 | BadRobot | what is the best KDE based distro upthere? |
| 07:23.23 | Jucato | oh well... |
| 07:24.35 | BadRobot | makes me really horny only in hear about KDE4 |
| 07:24.55 | BadRobot | i was anxiouslly waiting for it |
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| 07:45.26 | Rasi | hmm |
| 07:45.39 | Rasi | i just tried to search for something in konqueror |
| 07:45.44 | Rasi | search seemed to have ended |
| 07:45.53 | Rasi | but suddenly the harddisk was working really heavy |
| 07:45.57 | Rasi | and didnt stop |
| 07:46.15 | Rasi | my mousecursor was hardly moving and system was so overloaded that i couldnt even open a console |
| 07:46.29 | Rasi | had this a few days back when installing beagle |
| 07:46.41 | Rasi | but now with konqis search feature |
| 07:46.44 | Rasi | scary.... |
| 07:46.54 | thiago | Feuerbach: yes, exactly |
| 07:47.03 | thiago | Feuerbach: so your libstdc++ is broken, missing or incompatible. |
| 07:47.32 | Rasi | and my logs dont show anything.. as if logging was lagging behind... it stars again with this new reboot |
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| 07:49.05 | Feuerbach | thiago: but I've successfully compiled sample program which uses iostream |
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| 07:59.38 | sameer99 | i useKde 3.5 , i have this strange problem , when trying to switch user ubuntu just stalls , is there any one facing the same problem , ? |
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| 08:04.58 | sameer99 | i useKde 3.5 , i have this strange problem , when trying to switch user ubuntu just stalls , is there any one facing the same problem , ? |
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| 08:33.48 | TDOTMATRIx | so how does this work? |
| 08:34.44 | TDOTMATRIx | no colors? |
| 08:34.53 | abrahm | hi, I am in xubuntu 7.04 adn kde 3.5.6 can someone help me get the gfx mode changed ? |
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| 08:36.32 | TDOTMATRIx | sebbar hello |
| 08:36.39 | abrahm | hi |
| 08:36.48 | TDOTMATRIx | hello abrahm |
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| 08:37.09 | TDOTMATRIx | did you get your gfx mode changed? |
| 08:37.16 | abrahm | not yet |
| 08:37.35 | TDOTMATRIx | if i totally knew what that was i could try to help |
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| 08:37.47 | abrahm | resolution of the desktop |
| 08:38.00 | abrahm | i want it in 1024*768 |
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| 08:38.40 | TDOTMATRIx | see now why couldnt you say that in the first place |
| 08:38.43 | TDOTMATRIx | let me try it out |
| 08:39.00 | TDOTMATRIx | and see if i cant let you in on the steps |
| 08:39.14 | abrahm | heh sorry |
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| 08:39.51 | TDOTMATRIx | your in fedora right abrahm? |
| 08:40.19 | TDOTMATRIx | have you tried right clicking and going into the config desktop? |
| 08:40.27 | abrahm | i am in xubuntu(i don't know if there is underlying difference) |
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| 08:40.49 | abrahm | yes i have |
| 08:40.56 | TDOTMATRIx | whats in there? |
| 08:40.59 | abrahm | and there is nothing about resoultion : |
| 08:41.09 | whirm | hi all! |
| 08:41.24 | TDOTMATRIx | HEY WHIRM! Yo hows it going?! |
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| 08:42.04 | abrahm | background, options for the background, advanced options for the background |
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| 08:42.43 | abrahm | behavior, multiple desktops, and screensaver :( |
| 08:42.56 | TDOTMATRIx | nothing that says display options? |
| 08:43.29 | abrahm | none |
| 08:43.45 | TDOTMATRIx | only other place i could think of is in some sort of control panel |
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| 08:43.56 | TDOTMATRIx | or rewritting the code yourself to configure that |
| 08:44.02 | abrahm | heh |
| 08:44.46 | TDOTMATRIx | stranger things have been done by people who want things |
| 08:45.36 | abrahm | well i also went to control center and still just stuff about the background and behavior |
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| 08:46.04 | TDOTMATRIx | what other apps are in the control centre? |
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| 08:46.23 | TDOTMATRIx | gotta be sometime |
| 08:46.25 | TDOTMATRIx | thing* |
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| 08:47.55 | TDOTMATRIx | try HOW TO FORGE |
| 08:48.23 | abrahm | me ? |
| 08:48.27 | TDOTMATRIx | yes |
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| 08:49.29 | mdeanda | have kparts changed a lot in kde4? i'm thinking about considering (not really considering it yet) writing a very simple one.. i find the need to look at log files all the time.. and it would be nice to be able to see them from an embedded tail viewer.. but i've never written one.. but i'd like to do something |
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| 08:51.16 | TDOTMATRIx | anything there abrahm? |
| 08:51.24 | TDOTMATRIx | still searchin? |
| 08:51.26 | abrahm | still looking |
| 08:51.34 | TDOTMATRIx | good good |
| 08:51.36 | abrahm | i've never been there before :) |
| 08:51.57 | TDOTMATRIx | ya its a pretty cool site |
| 08:52.15 | TDOTMATRIx | the best of us get stuck sometime |
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| 08:55.03 | TDOTMATRIx | im just trying out KDE for kind of a first time |
| 08:55.14 | TDOTMATRIx | ive never felt so lost |
| 08:55.21 | TDOTMATRIx | I like it |
| 08:55.29 | TDOTMATRIx | haha kind of a sick pleasure |
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| 08:57.14 | TDOTMATRIx | MASSIMO hey! |
| 08:57.19 | abrahm | I like how i can do the menu with first letter of where i wanna go in kde |
| 08:57.31 | abrahm | but this video setting is annoying |
| 08:57.54 | TDOTMATRIx | oh i can imagin |
| 08:58.38 | massimo | Hello. I have a part of a frame with shadow left over on the screen of my X session. Switching to F1 and back to X doesn't help. Can I refresh that somehow without restarting? |
| 08:59.33 | TDOTMATRIx | clear all back ground |
| 08:59.39 | abrahm | darn, well looks like I won't be fixing it for now, I gotta goto work |
| 08:59.40 | TDOTMATRIx | change it to black |
| 08:59.51 | TDOTMATRIx | and change it back |
| 08:59.59 | abrahm | thanks for trying to help :) |
| 09:00.01 | TDOTMATRIx | alright abrahm |
| 09:00.03 | abrahm | bye for now |
| 09:00.07 | TDOTMATRIx | Your very welcome |
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| 09:01.04 | TDOTMATRIx | massimo what does F5 do for it as well? |
| 09:01.31 | TDOTMATRIx | should be auto refresh? |
| 09:01.46 | TDOTMATRIx | or is that your F1? |
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| 09:02.52 | massimo | TDOTMATRIx: What should F5 do? Reload konquerors file list? That's not my issue. |
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| 09:03.06 | massimo | TDOTMATRIx: F1? Online help? |
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| 09:04.52 | TDOTMATRIx | I thought maybe if it just reloads it would refresh itself |
| 09:05.01 | TDOTMATRIx | and clear the shadow |
| 09:05.29 | TDOTMATRIx | thus solving your problem |
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| 09:05.36 | TDOTMATRIx | but it doesnt so i am wrong |
| 09:05.50 | TDOTMATRIx | and with that i am signing off |
| 09:05.54 | massimo | TDOTMATRIx: I can even switch virtual desktops or terminals. I'd like to redraw the screen somehow. |
| 09:06.17 | lonelysoul | hello all |
| 09:06.40 | TDOTMATRIx | hello lonelysoul |
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| 09:06.44 | TDOTMATRIx | dont be lonely |
| 09:06.45 | lonelysoul | how can I copy a dir in command shell? please |
| 09:07.16 | lonelysoul | ha ha |
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| 10:15.15 | devurandom | Can someone explain why konqueror is so slow? It loads ~60/70% of most pages and then waits for an awfully long time. Mostly when "loading image n-1 of n". Then, click, it suddenly jumps to 100% and the page is displayed in an instant... |
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| 10:35.47 | rmrfchik | devurandom: may, this is because of proxy? |
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| 10:36.06 | rmrfchik | some proxies download content fully before giving away to client |
| 10:37.11 | devurandom | I have no proxy. |
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| 10:37.45 | rmrfchik | u r sure there is no transparent proxy? |
| 10:39.40 | tty56 | hi, I have some trouble with the kicker systray. I start X (just X, not startx ..), I start xterm, I run kicker, then I run skype and kopete |
| 10:39.58 | tty56 | while skype adds itself to the kickers systray, kopete does not |
| 10:40.02 | tty56 | any ideas? |
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| 10:42.21 | devurandom | rmrfchik: I have not enabled one... |
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| 10:51.04 | devurandom | But maybe my ISP or Sixxs enforces all traffic to/from 80 through one? |
| 10:51.18 | devurandom | Somehow I doubt it, but possible. How can I find out? |
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| 11:42.57 | BCMM | is Oxygen in the main KDE 4 repository yet? |
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| 11:44.17 | Skrot- | yupp |
| 11:45.24 | BCMM | hmmm... i must the the Gentoo ebuild's fault then |
| 11:45.34 | BCMM | cause i've installed it and it just looks like Plastik |
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| 11:45.46 | BCMM | i mean Plastik with Crystal icons |
| 11:46.17 | BCMM | is it the default or do you have to change settings? |
| 11:46.39 | Sho_ | What ebuild are you referring to? |
| 11:46.59 | BCMM | oh, the gentoo kde overlay |
| 11:47.04 | BCMM | has SVN ebuilds |
| 11:47.22 | BCMM | which i assume come straight from KDE's repo |
| 11:47.32 | Skrot- | BCMM: Have you changed the style to oxygen? |
| 11:47.37 | BCMM | Skrot-: no... |
| 11:47.41 | BCMM | is it not default? |
| 11:47.45 | Sho_ | no |
| 11:47.46 | Skrot- | Or are you talking about icons? |
| 11:47.53 | BCMM | well, both |
| 11:47.55 | Skrot- | No, style is not default as the style is still very much WIP |
| 11:47.59 | BCMM | it's plastik and crystal now |
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| 11:48.27 | BCMM | maybe it's confused by having kde 3 installed as well, cause i only see new icons for new things like dolphin... |
| 11:49.03 | Skrot- | What new stuff doesn't have oxy icons? |
| 11:49.17 | BCMM | no, new stuff is ok |
| 11:49.22 | BCMM | but i have crystal icons for old things |
| 11:49.28 | Skrot- | Old stuff will probably still use crystal, yes |
| 11:49.37 | BCMM | anyway, any idea how to change the style when the control center is kinda broken |
| 11:49.39 | BCMM | ah ok |
| 11:49.42 | pinotree | BCMM: of course, kde3 applications will respect kde3 settings |
| 11:49.45 | Sho_ | BCMM: You probably haven't been following the "Running KDE4 programs" instructions in the Gentoo KDE overlay wiki, right? |
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| 11:49.58 | Sho_ | BCMM: At which point the discussion shifts to #gentoo-kde, btw |
| 11:50.05 | BCMM | oh, i am indeed running KDE 3 apps |
| 11:50.08 | BCMM | damnit, thanks |
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| 11:50.15 | BCMM | yeah, they're idle |
| 11:50.17 | pinotree | BCMM: kde3 does NOT support freedesktop.org icon themes (like oxygen or tango) |
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| 11:51.07 | BCMM | i'm logged into a kde 4 session and just assumed it would load kde4 apps... |
| 11:51.08 | BCMM | thanks |
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| 11:52.06 | pinotree | BCMM: as long as they are in PATH, you can load even kde3 applications, just like you can load kde4 apps from a kde3 session (with a kde4 environment shell) |
| 11:52.33 | BCMM | ah right, so if iwant for example KDE 4's konq, i have to change the path? |
| 11:52.46 | BCMM | i assumed the login manager did that... |
| 11:52.47 | BCMM | thanks |
| 11:52.55 | Sho_ | BCMM: (a) It's in the wiki, (b) the right channel is #gentoo-kde |
| 11:53.04 | Sho_ | It's a distribution-specific thing |
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| 11:53.07 | Sho_ | and pinotree gets angry ;) |
| 11:53.17 | pinotree | ... |
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| 12:15.57 | d347hm4n | anybody know the timescale for kde4? |
| 12:16.59 | Sho_ | If you mean the schedule, it's on http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule |
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| 12:21.29 | d347hm4n | thanks Sho |
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| 12:22.56 | d347hm4n | so is it available for public testing? |
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| 12:23.49 | Jucato | it's always available to the public. it's open source. how you get it is largely up to you :) |
| 12:24.52 | d347hm4n | ok thanks i will investigate |
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| 12:25.15 | Sho_ | d347hm4n: Yes. KDE 4.0 Beta2 is about to be released, too. |
| 12:25.39 | d347hm4n | well i'll wait for beta 2 |
| 12:25.56 | d347hm4n | is there a prefered method to go about testing? |
| 12:26.28 | pinotree | apart from try-and-complain? |
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| 12:26.40 | Sho_ | d347hm4n: You could look into whether your distro makes packages for the betas, or try out a LiveCD provided by Stephan Binner from SuSE/Novell, or build it yourself |
| 12:26.57 | Jucato | I always misspell binneri's name :( |
| 12:27.11 | benJIman | beineri |
| 12:27.30 | d347hm4n | Sho_: So look in the devel repo's for fedora? |
| 12:27.53 | Sho_ | d347hm4n: Suppose so - I'm not terribly familiar with Fedora so far |
| 12:28.13 | d347hm4n | i will ask in #fedora |
| 12:28.15 | Jucato | benJIman: oh.. then I was right... but his home.kde.org page is binneri? |
| 12:28.36 | pinotree | Jucato: Stephan Binner? |
| 12:28.44 | Sho_ | It's Stephan 'beineri' Binner |
| 12:28.49 | pinotree | ... aka Beinei |
| 12:28.52 | Jucato | pinotree: er.. yeah.. -i :) |
| 12:29.06 | pinotree | that means 'binary' in german :D right Sho_? |
| 12:29.11 | MinceR | lol |
| 12:29.21 | Sho_ | pinotree: yeah, phonetically written so to say :) |
| 12:29.41 | Jucato | aaah ok... |
| 12:29.42 | Sho_ | Correctly it would be "BinƤr", "beinery" is a phonetic transcription of the English word |
| 12:29.44 | Sho_ | *beineri |
| 12:30.45 | Jucato | Sho_: finally succeeded in that dolphin thing... quite amusing how it seems so easy now that I look book, not more than 15 lines I think |
| 12:31.36 | Jucato | now I wait to see if they'll accept my patch or reject it because I don't know how to package it properly :) |
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| 13:06.08 | eliasp | hi |
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| 13:07.21 | eliasp | i messed my profile up by doing experiments with KDE4 and accidentally some of my KDE3 config file got updated.. ;-( |
| 13:09.38 | eliasp | my ~/.kde/share/apps/kconf_update/log/update.log shows ~60 entries and this is a little bit too much for doing it manually.. |
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| 13:14.39 | InvisibleEye | Hi, I have some problems with superkaramba, when I try to make a install (./configure) I got the 'error' Superkaramba can't be compiled because of missing Python libaries/headers... But I've installed Python! Some one can help me? |
| 13:15.58 | Jucato | InvisibleEye: what distro? |
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| 13:16.23 | pinotree | you probably needs the development stuff of python |
| 13:16.36 | Jucato | most probably your distro already has it packaged. since there's no new version of SK, it would be best to use that one |
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| 13:37.09 | InvisibleEye | @ Jucato SuSE 10.2 x64 |
| 13:37.51 | Jucato | InvisibleEye: I'm sure they have a superkaramba package available already. try #opensuse |
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| 13:38.44 | InvisibleEye | Jucato, you mean a RPM? |
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| 13:39.09 | Jucato | yes. from their repository |
| 13:39.27 | Jucato | use YaST or something. I'm not familiar with opensuse :( |
| 13:39.43 | InvisibleEye | Okey thnx for help, I give it a try |
| 13:40.57 | pinotree | Sho_? |
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| 13:42.52 | Sho_ | pinotree: yup? |
| 13:43.25 | pinotree | Sho_: my yakuake has a small drawing glitch in the 10th tab, but only when not selected |
| 13:43.52 | Sho_ | pinotree: 2.7.5 or 2.8_beta1? |
| 13:43.57 | pinotree | 2.8_beta |
| 13:43.59 | pinotree | 1 |
| 13:44.15 | pinotree | plastik dark as theme |
| 13:44.20 | Sho_ | pinotree: Hm, could you take a screenshot for me? Just opening ten tabs doesn't seem to reproduce it ;) |
| 13:44.24 | pinotree | sure |
| 13:44.38 | Sho_ | thanks |
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| 13:47.25 | pinotree | Sho_: http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yakuakebug1af9.png |
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| 13:49.45 | Sho_ | interesting |
| 13:51.26 | pinotree | Sho_: ugh, ignore me - it was just an underscore... |
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| 13:51.51 | Sho_ | yes, I was just scouring the code trying to find where I'm mistakingly adding an underscore ;) |
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| 13:52.36 | Sho_ | Although the default tab labeling code in SVN is different from 2.8_beta1 anyway because it implements the Konsole behavior of reusing newly-available numbers from closed tabs |
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| 14:06.11 | spawn57 | are they anny good file sharing apps for kde? |
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| 14:07.43 | eliasp | spawn57: try KTorrent |
| 14:08.38 | InvisibleEye | Or aMule |
| 14:08.38 | spawn57 | got that |
| 14:08.55 | spawn57 | but I was hoping for soemthing like a gift frontend like apollon, but newer |
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| 14:18.39 | spawn57 | damn |
| 14:18.41 | spawn57 | is giftd dead? |
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| 14:26.00 | Rasi | anyone using katalog here? |
| 14:26.12 | Rasi | i wonder if its possible to search in those katalogs |
| 14:26.20 | Rasi | konquerors search does work kind of |
| 14:26.27 | Rasi | but it takes ages until it finds something |
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| 14:49.07 | kaktuspalme | i've tried kde4, i know its not stable, but with a new user, i have no problems to start kde4 everything wonderful, except some errors, but with an excisting user who used kde-3.5 it has problems, so i cant start it |
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| 14:50.10 | eliasp | hi kaktuspalme ... did you backup/(re)move all ~/.kde* files/directories before trying KDE4? |
| 14:50.33 | kaktuspalme | eliasp, i need some files, kmail, kwallet |
| 14:50.57 | eliasp | what about re-importing them? |
| 14:51.11 | eliasp | most of the stuff goes to ~/.kde/share/{apps,config} |
| 14:51.15 | kaktuspalme | eliasp, hmm ok thats a nice idea, mv .kde .kde-old |
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| 14:52.10 | kaktuspalme | eliasp, the only important settings are from kontact and kwallet, amarok isnt important |
| 14:52.26 | eliasp | kaktuspalme: pay attention, ~/.kde is just a symlink to ~/.kde3.5 |
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| 14:53.08 | eliasp | kaktuspalme: so do a "mv ~/.kde3.5 ~/.kde3.5.old && rm -f ~/.kde" |
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| 14:53.33 | stephan | anyone here who could help me with ati drivers on my vaio for sabayon 3.4e? |
| 14:53.33 | kaktuspalme | eliasp, ok, thats a nice idea |
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| 14:54.19 | kaktuspalme | stephan, whats the problem, i thought sabayon has the ati driver built in |
| 14:54.30 | pinotree | stephan: you should ask in #sabayon |
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| 14:55.22 | stephan | i have an ati mobility m6 ly - it has no 3d support yet |
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| 14:55.55 | stephan | i think my xorg.conf is not optimised and/or I have some opengl stuff missing |
| 14:56.00 | Sho_ | stephan: -> #ati |
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| 14:56.16 | stephan | #ati |
| 14:56.20 | stephan | ? |
| 14:56.40 | kaktuspalme | stephan, /join #ati |
| 14:56.42 | Sho_ | stephan: ATI driver support is provided in the #ati channel, not in #kde |
| 14:56.49 | stephan | ok, ty |
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| 15:00.29 | spawn57 | damn there's no such thing as p2p now is there, except bit torrent |
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| 15:06.24 | kaktuspalme | spawn57, ? |
| 15:06.41 | spawn57 | can't find any p2p clients on linux |
| 15:07.12 | pinotree | amule? ktorrent? |
| 15:07.26 | ponto | limewire |
| 15:09.30 | eliasp | spawn57: http://rafb.net/p/oH8Lm074.html |
| 15:09.34 | Dr_willis | You havent looked very hard then. :) |
| 15:09.58 | spawn57 | limewire isnt...a pain is it..? |
| 15:10.11 | Dr_willis | I perfer frostfire to limewire. |
| 15:10.26 | Dr_willis | question is.. what 'network' do you want to use |
| 15:10.33 | Dr_willis | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing has some info |
| 15:11.15 | Aeternus | Hello, I have a problem with Konqueror on KDE 3.5.5: the browser doesn't view some characters like ā¼. The same characters are viewed correctly by firefox with the same font (dejavu) |
| 15:11.41 | kirun | Aeternus: URL? |
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| 15:15.28 | Aeternus | kirun: one moment |
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| 15:18.26 | Aeternus | kirun: excuse me if the page is in italian. http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cassetto/man ā search for the string "espandi" in the page, near that there is the ā¼ char. |
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| 15:18.54 | Aeternus | (where there are the expandible boxes) |
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| 15:20.22 | kirun | Hmm... they are showing for me |
| 15:20.48 | Aeternus | the ā¼ characters you mean? |
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| 15:21.06 | kirun | Yes |
| 15:21.14 | Aeternus | which font are you using? |
| 15:22.26 | kirun | The DejaVu fonts from Kubuntu ( and Konq is set to use them as default ) |
| 15:22.52 | rabauke | hello! how can I make cmake display more verbose error-messages? Or can somebody tell me what error causes the buil dof kdesupport to fail? http://rafb.net/p/gUfuSC39.html |
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| 15:26.50 | Aeternus | weird |
| 15:26.54 | kirun | Aeternus: Do you have any of these fonts: Chrysanthi Unicode, Doulos SIL, Gentium, GentiumAlt, Code2000, TITUS Cyberbit Basic |
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| 15:27.48 | kaktuspalme | how can i say cmake that it has to give more information when i compile? |
| 15:28.30 | Jucato | kaktuspalme: try asking in #cmake (I think that's their channel) |
| 15:28.46 | Jucato | rabauke: #kde4-devel perhaps? or #cmake too |
| 15:28.55 | rabauke | ok |
| 15:29.00 | Aeternus | killown|away: le me check |
| 15:29.07 | Aeternus | ops, kirun :-) |
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| 15:30.57 | Aeternus | kirun: should I install them? |
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| 15:31.19 | kirun | No... I just noticed in some of the CSS, they had higher priority |
| 15:31.50 | kirun | If you don't have any of them, it eliminates that as our problem |
| 15:32.16 | Aeternus | no, I don't have that fonts |
| 15:32.20 | Aeternus | weird :-| |
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| 15:33.06 | snorks | is this official kde irc channel"? |
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| 15:35.13 | kirun | snorks: There are KDE devs here, if that's what you mean |
| 15:35.42 | Aeternus | a # channel should be official, according to the freenode policies |
| 15:35.55 | Jucato | this is the official KDE user support channel |
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| 15:36.26 | snorks | Where is the configuration file that belongs to the GUI part of configuring hotkeys (Global and per application)? Like in k control center. I ask because I cannot map my mouse' thumbbuttons to back and forward (alt+l or alt+r). Maybe I can do it from CLI |
| 15:37.24 | snorks | When I use xev to catch the event, it reports it as being "button 6" or "button 7". No keycode to xmodmap |
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| 15:38.40 | snorks | Whereas in k control center, it reads as being "XF86Back" i think |
| 15:39.15 | SimToo | ahh, the wonders of caffeine |
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| 15:46.59 | DexterF | can I somehow export key bindings to a file so I can import them to a new machine? it's annoying to reconf every app on anew box |
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| 15:49.09 | snorks | Where is the configuration file that belongs to the GUI part of configuring hotkeys (Global and per application)? Like in k control center. I ask because I cannot map my mouse' thumbbuttons to back and forward (alt+l or alt+r). Xev does not identify the mousebuttons as keycode <number>, but rather as "button 6" and "button 7" |
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| 16:05.25 | gribouille | hi |
| 16:05.37 | gribouille | did anyone compile kde 4 on fedora ? |
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| 16:26.44 | linuxkeitaro | back |
| 16:26.47 | milian | ein supergelauntes "Hallo" in die Runde werf :) |
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| 16:31.00 | JuJuBee | Every time I log into my account on ubuntu, I am prompted with the KDE configuration wizard. How can I stop this? |
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| 16:31.37 | Shaman | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=821&num=1 article on new ati drivers for those of us to ahve to us em |
| 16:31.52 | Jucato | JuJuBee: uninstall the "kpersonalizer" package |
| 16:32.28 | JuJuBee | Will users still be able to configure to their liking? |
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| 16:33.44 | Jucato | JuJuBee: kpersonalizer is just a first-time setup wizard. after that you can personalize/customize anything in kcontrol |
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| 16:42.34 | JuJuBee | jucato : Thanks for the info. |
| 16:43.51 | JuJuBee | I have another box that is giving an error each time I apply changes in adept. How do I fix that? |
| 16:45.15 | JuJuBee | thanks, tried that, nobody answered. I will dig more. |
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| 16:50.14 | Jucato | JuJuBee: I haven't seen you ask there yet |
| 16:50.37 | JuJuBee | I did earlier. I will ask again. |
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| 18:09.11 | Apollo | Hello. |
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| 18:31.21 | om_ | hello does anyone know what is going on.. everytime i open an archive from my email i get this download error: could not opened, because the associated heper application does not existe. Change the association in you preferences. |
| 18:31.36 | om_ | im using firefox, i click preferences and i cant see anything about an association |
| 18:31.51 | om_ | hello does anyone know what is going on.. everytime i open an archive from my email i get this download error: could not opened, because the associated heper application does not existe. Change the association in you preferences. |
| 18:32.00 | om_ | im using firefox, and i cant see anything about an association |
| 18:32.12 | pinotree | om_: please ask in #firefox, it's not a kde application |
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| 18:33.20 | sda | hello |
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| 18:35.02 | sda | in Kate, i made an "external tool" for perltidy that looks like: >cd "%directory" && perltidy "%filename"<, the only problem i have with this is that Kate doesn't reload the file after i run the tool, is there something i'm missing? |
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| 18:38.08 | LogicalDash | Hi guys, I'm trying to set up an external tool to run the python script I'm working on... I've gotten it as far as running python in a console, but if I change it to have python open %filename, the Konsole gives something called a 'PTY error', what does that mean? |
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| 18:39.12 | sda | LogicalDash, in Kate? |
| 18:39.18 | LogicalDash | yup |
| 18:39.40 | sda | i've a problem too with external tools (i tried in #kate too) |
| 18:39.43 | sda | in Kate, i made an "external tool" for perltidy that looks like: >cd "%directory" && perltidy "%filename"<, the only problem i have with this is that Kate doesn't reload the file after i run the tool, is there something i'm missing? |
| 18:39.50 | LogicalDash | I'm basing it off the 'Run Script' external tool that's built in, basically it's that with python added after the -e |
| 18:39.52 | sda | maybe you can help? |
| 18:40.28 | LogicalDash | Probably not, this is the first time I've scripted an external tool |
| 18:41.39 | Rasi | is there something like tomboy for kde? |
| 18:42.07 | Rasi | i tried knotes, but somehow all my notes duplicate themselves over and over again... |
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| 18:44.09 | sda | LogicalDash, it looks like: cd "%directory" && chmod u+x "%filename" && konsole -e "python -e '%filename'"? |
| 18:45.10 | LogicalDash | yup |
| 18:45.12 | LogicalDash | no |
| 18:45.15 | LogicalDash | no -e after python |
| 18:45.26 | LogicalDash | just konsole -e "python %filename" |
| 18:46.37 | LogicalDash | it's still giving me the same error though. |
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| 18:47.13 | sda | well, here it doesnt even show a konsole :( |
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| 18:56.21 | snorks | Where is the configuration file that belongs to the GUI part of configuring hotkeys (Global and per application)? Like in k control center. I ask because I cannot map my mouse' thumbbuttons to back and forward (alt+l or alt+r). Xev does not identify the mousebuttons as keycode <number>, but rather as "button 6" and "button 7", so I don't know how to add that to xmodmap if at all possible. |
| 18:56.42 | snorks | I want thumb buttons back + forward to work in Konqueror |
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| 19:01.14 | stoned | thumb butons? |
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| 19:01.38 | snorks | yes |
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| 19:09.35 | snorks | Not one seems to be able to help me |
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| 19:23.15 | stoned | snorks: what is a thumb button? |
| 19:23.43 | stoned | snorks: ohh extra mouse butons |
| 19:23.58 | stoned | snorks: you might look into google 'configure extra buttons on mouse in linux' |
| 19:24.04 | stoned | etc. or ask your #distro channel |
| 19:27.29 | snorks | i have done both |
| 19:27.34 | snorks | @ stoned |
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| 19:35.02 | Phobos | Hello. What is the correct keyboard type that I can select from Kcontrol for a Dell Inspiron 6400 ? |
| 19:35.56 | snorks | i think the closest you can get is Laptop models: Dell Inspiron <some numbers> |
| 19:35.58 | snorks | just try it |
| 19:36.14 | KO^KO | how can I configure the openldap at fedora 7 .. please help me |
| 19:36.18 | Phobos | My notebook has some external Play/Stop/Next/Previous buttons that on some other distro worked wine in KDE with Amarok. But I installed Sabayon and those buttons don't work any more |
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| 19:36.49 | snorks | Phobos: im pretty sure you have to set them per application for non KDE stuff |
| 19:37.01 | snorks | i also think you need to unmap them from anything currently mapped (kde?) |
| 19:37.08 | snorks | kde? = kaffeine? |
| 19:37.13 | Phobos | Well AmaroK isn't KDE's default music app ? |
| 19:37.22 | snorks | ahh you said amarok |
| 19:37.27 | snorks | ok, i dont know |
| 19:37.33 | snorks | i have a similar issue kinda |
| 19:37.33 | Phobos | oh, well thanks anyway :) |
| 19:37.39 | Phobos | what issue? |
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| 19:37.42 | snorks | Where is the configuration file that belongs to the GUI part of configuring hotkeys (Global and per application)? Like in k control center. I ask because I cannot map my mouse' thumbbuttons to back and forward (alt+l or alt+r). Xev does not identify the mousebuttons as keycode <number>, but rather as "button 6" and "button 7", so I don't know how to add that to xmodmap if at all possible. |
| 19:38.13 | CPrgmSwR2 | juk is the music program provided by kde |
| 19:38.20 | CPrgmSwR2 | but amarok is just far more popular |
| 19:38.41 | CPrgmSwR2 | Its hosted by kde but not in the main packages |
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| 19:39.48 | snorks | i hope keymapping gets a rework before kde 4.0 |
| 19:39.53 | snorks | before = in |
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| 20:00.45 | papadopc | other than disconnected imap, is there a way to locally store email from an imap account with kmail? |
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| 20:04.06 | papadopc | other than disconnected imap, is there a way to locally store email from an imap account with kmail? |
| 20:04.31 | sabayonlive-7090 | for the date/ time -how do you make the time appear all the way to the right? |
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| 20:11.01 | aapzak | guys, do you know if syncing kde's calendar and address with google exists? |
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| 20:17.06 | choronzon | is it possible to have desktop icons without any text under on them? |
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| 20:18.49 | sambiase | hi there....im looking for a linux distro that comes with KDE ... the thing is that i will run it from a USB stick... so the distro has to be around 500M ... anyone knows such a distro which runs KDE? |
| 20:20.01 | Sho_ | sambiase: I think Mandriva Linux has a distro product that is actually made to run from a USB stick, and uses KDE |
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| 20:20.20 | sambiase | gotta check |
| 20:20.38 | sambiase | what about gentoo? do u know in what that distro is based on? |
| 20:20.43 | sambiase | red hat? ubuntu? |
| 20:20.51 | aapzak | gentoo is gentoo |
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| 20:21.40 | sambiase | but can i run rpms on it? |
| 20:21.51 | Sho_ | sambiase: no |
| 20:22.02 | wolsni | sambiase: gentoo has its own package manager |
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| 20:22.06 | sambiase | right |
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| 20:22.44 | sambiase | ummm.....i really dont know what to choossee...they are sooo many...i run Suse in my host comp....would like something like suse but i cant find any suse for USB |
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| 20:23.21 | japc | sambiase: they're all basically the same |
| 20:23.27 | japc | choose one and stick to it |
| 20:23.39 | sambiase | u r right |
| 20:23.40 | japc | suse, ubuntu, kubuntu, fedora, whatever |
| 20:23.49 | aapzak | gentoo takes a lot of time |
| 20:23.50 | sambiase | based on the same core |
| 20:23.55 | aapzak | but is very nice |
| 20:24.05 | japc | i use redhat for 10 years now, well, redhat+fedora |
| 20:24.41 | aapzak | I dunno, but would like to try Debian for server and Kubuntu for workstation |
| 20:24.41 | sambiase | since i will run the USB distro in other computers...i wanted also something aiming security... |
| 20:25.00 | sambiase | i run kubuntu as VM.... |
| 20:25.01 | Apollo | I just installed Fedora 7 inside a virtual machine on my Vista workstation. |
| 20:25.02 | sambiase | i like it |
| 20:25.09 | aapzak | gentoo is highly tweakable |
| 20:25.10 | Apollo | This is my first time. |
| 20:25.21 | sambiase | vista workstation? sounds scary ;) |
| 20:25.25 | sambiase | i run Vista as a VM |
| 20:25.31 | sambiase | and thats about it |
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| 20:25.49 | Apollo | I'm practicing the command line basics. |
| 20:26.02 | Apollo | Inside Linux? |
| 20:26.06 | sambiase | yes |
| 20:26.12 | sambiase | my host is Suse 10.2 |
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| 20:26.26 | sambiase | pretty bad i cant find any Suse for USB |
| 20:26.27 | Apollo | Do I have the virtualization sofware in my Fedora core 7 full DVD? |
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| 20:26.45 | sambiase | i use Vmware Workstation |
| 20:26.50 | Apollo | Isn't Suse owned by Novell now? |
| 20:26.55 | sambiase | yes |
| 20:27.00 | sambiase | thats why i chose suse |
| 20:27.06 | Apollo | Oh, VmWare for linux! |
| 20:27.19 | sambiase | yes...workstation 6 for linux |
| 20:27.25 | sambiase | and i run several vms on it |
| 20:27.29 | sambiase | including vista |
| 20:27.33 | sambiase | which sucks...i think |
| 20:27.48 | Sho_ | Notably there are open source alternatives to VMWare |
| 20:27.56 | Apollo | How has Solaris ran inside it? |
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| 20:28.06 | sambiase | havent tried with that OS |
| 20:28.08 | Apollo | It's flacky under Vista. |
| 20:28.21 | sambiase | do u run vmware under Vista? |
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| 20:28.55 | sambiase | Vista is a very recent OS and because of that should actually be avoided...not to mention WHO is behind that OS |
| 20:29.02 | Apollo | yes, I'm running vmware on my Vista x64 workstation. |
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| 20:29.23 | Apollo | I have Fedora under Windows |
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| 20:31.19 | Apollo | So how do I get DVDs to play? |
| 20:31.39 | sambiase | i installed BackTrack on my USB disk....and in the same disk I run VM Player ... and now i am looking for a light vm appliance OS in order to run from the USB under VM Player...how coooolll is that? |
| 20:32.03 | sambiase | Apollo: DVDs to play? what do u mean? |
| 20:32.19 | Sho_ | not very. vmware is closed. :) |
| 20:32.57 | sambiase | vmware is closed? |
| 20:33.06 | Apollo | my little totem player don't work /cry |
| 20:33.21 | Sho_ | sambiase: yes |
| 20:33.29 | sambiase | totem...i run kaffeine instead |
| 20:33.33 | sambiase | and amarok |
| 20:33.36 | Sho_ | Apollo: Totem is not a KDE application -- try Kaffeine |
| 20:34.02 | sambiase | i have no complaints about kaffeine...reallyy good peace of software |
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| 20:34.36 | killown | kaffeine is based in xine and gstreamer plugins? |
| 20:34.51 | Apollo | wow, found Kaffeine |
| 20:34.57 | Sho_ | killown: Kaffeine is primarily a Xine frontend |
| 20:35.01 | Apollo | looks much cooler. |
| 20:35.14 | sambiase | Apollo: kaffeine is better |
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| 20:35.22 | Sho_ | My favorite KDE video player is actually KPlayer, but Kaffeine is a little better with DVDs |
| 20:35.34 | Apollo | xine Error - Kaffeine Player "No Plugin found to handler this resource (dvd://) |
| 20:35.39 | killown | Sho_ but it has also support for gstreamer plugins |
| 20:36.00 | Sho_ | killown: Not on its own, afaik, but by loading the kmplayer kpart, which supports MPlayer, Xine and GStreamer |
| 20:36.01 | killown | my favorite player is only mplayer |
| 20:36.10 | killown | most light |
| 20:36.14 | Sho_ | killown: KPlayer is a frontend to mplayer |
| 20:36.30 | killown | I don't need front end for mplayer |
| 20:36.43 | Apollo | so my Xine is broken? |
| 20:36.47 | Sho_ | http://www.eikehein.com/files/kplayer.png |
| 20:37.28 | killown | I prefer smplayer or vlc |
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| 20:37.49 | Sho_ | Can't really stand the UI of those |
| 20:38.03 | Sho_ | Particularly VLC with its shoddy wxWidgets UI -- thankfully they're going Qt4 now |
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| 20:39.58 | killown | dolphin file manager would have kaffeine support to preview videos on lateral bar |
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| 20:52.45 | snorks | use slackware! |
| 20:53.13 | snorks | Where is the configuration file that belongs to the GUI part of configuring hotkeys (Global and per application)? Like in k control center. I ask because I cannot map my mouse' thumbbuttons to back and forward (alt+l or alt+r). Xev does not identify the mousebuttons as keycode <number>, but rather as "button 6" and "button 7", so I don't know how to add that to xmodmap if at all possible. |
| 20:55.05 | wolsni | snorks: i think you need to use input actions to bind mouse keys to shortcut actions |
| 20:55.47 | snorks | wolsni: i have tried most everythign you can think of |
| 20:56.01 | snorks | besides, K Control Center wont let me input the keybindings |
| 20:56.06 | snorks | i think its bugged |
| 20:56.36 | snorks | or its just extremely crappy |
| 20:56.41 | wolsni | snorks: did you report the bug on bugs.kde.org ? |
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| 20:56.47 | wolsni | or are you just here to whine? |
| 20:57.00 | snorks | I don't want to reoprt it as a bug since I cannot make sure its a bug |
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| 20:57.28 | wolsni | maybe this link can help: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Nav_Buttons |
| 20:57.54 | snorks | i have been there |
| 20:57.59 | snorks | it works in firefox |
| 20:58.02 | snorks | not in konqueror |
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| 20:58.17 | snorks | thats the funny part, since KDE actually has a gui tool for setting global and per application hotkeys |
| 20:58.29 | snorks | and xev doesnt show keycode |
| 20:58.35 | snorks | just "button 6" |
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| 20:59.32 | sharp15 | snorks: did you try a different keybord driver? |
| 20:59.40 | snorks | for a mouse issue? |
| 20:59.42 | sharp15 | never mind. i'm blind. |
| 20:59.47 | snorks | i havent, though |
| 20:59.56 | snorks | but my keyboard seems fine |
| 21:00.05 | sharp15 | i didn't read about 6 lines above. thought you were doing a keyboard. |
| 21:00.09 | snorks | :P |
| 21:00.12 | snorks | thanks though |
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| 21:00.43 | sharp15 | shouldn't matter. mouse stuff would probably involve messing with xorg.conf |
| 21:01.09 | snorks | the mouse is actually set up correctly |
| 21:01.23 | snorks | its the part where i bind the keys to KDE stuff, or KDE apps (konqueror) |
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| 21:02.30 | CPrgmSwR2 | snorks: your xorg.conf can control how your mouse is setup |
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| 21:03.29 | snorks | my xmodmap is pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5 (6 7 = thumb buttons, 4 5 you already know what is) |
| 21:03.43 | sharp15 | snorks: if xev isn't showing a keycode then the system already knows what the keycode goes to, the kde key control system should recognize it for you. |
| 21:03.48 | snorks | running xev and pressing thumb buttons shows "button 6" or "button 7" respectively |
| 21:03.59 | snorks | sharp15: therein lies the problem |
| 21:04.26 | snorks | sharp15: I am able to unbind the hotkeys in KCC ofc, but when reassigning hotkey and clicking the mousebutton i want it to set to, nothing happens |
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| 21:06.23 | snorks | snorks: i tried it with a pure system (logging into KDE as root) and doing it, but didnt work |
| 21:06.46 | snorks | is there not a way i can set the key assignments manually? |
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| 21:06.56 | snorks | "khotkeys.conf"? |
| 21:06.59 | snorks | or something similar |
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| 21:07.51 | killown | amarok has any plugin to integrate controls in kicker toolbar? |
| 21:08.09 | sharp15 | probably need to ask someone in #kde, they may know more. |
| 21:08.19 | snorks | ... |
| 21:08.25 | snorks | and where exactly are we? |
| 21:08.30 | snorks | :P |
| 21:08.35 | killown | but I am in kde channel |
| 21:08.37 | killown | lol? |
| 21:08.47 | killown | #kde |
| 21:08.49 | |timrs| | in kalzium, under argon>engergies it says Melting Point: 83.95 K, is K kalvin where i have to add like 273 for celcius? |
| 21:08.53 | killown | and you snorks ? |
| 21:09.00 | sharp15 | oh. sorry, i added about 9 channels earlier, thought i was in #gentoo-kde |
| 21:09.07 | christopher_ | hes joking... I guess |
| 21:09.07 | snorks | haha |
| 21:09.15 | snorks | killown: we are here |
| 21:10.17 | christopher_ | maybe #amarok |
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| 21:10.39 | sambiase | hi there again... whats the command in order to install KDE? from yum |
| 21:10.43 | killown | sharp15, np |
| 21:12.26 | lunitik | sambiase: You'd ask in #fedora ... yum isn't a KDE thing... |
| 21:12.40 | sambiase | right |
| 21:12.53 | lunitik | sambiase: something like 'yum groupinstall "KDE Desktop Environment" though :/ |
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| 21:12.58 | snorks | pretty sure its yum install kde tho |
| 21:13.07 | lunitik | snorks: Wrong |
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| 21:13.22 | snorks | lunitik: owned as charged |
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| 21:14.18 | lunitik | More like 'yum groupinstall '(KDE) K Desktop Environment'' if my memory isn't shot to shit... |
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| 21:15.46 | snorks | apt-get install kde |
| 21:15.57 | snorks | is obviously easy |
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| 21:16.16 | lunitik | snorks: Only a fool would actually run that command, of course. |
| 21:16.44 | lunitik | snorks: apt-get install kde-core kthings kyou kwant krather kwhat kthey kdecide |
| 21:17.07 | snorks | kde-kore |
| 21:17.14 | lunitik | no... |
| 21:17.19 | lunitik | ~info kde-core |
| 21:17.21 | snorks | o_k_ |
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| 21:17.27 | astan | hm. any KDE utility to set up a simple NAT/firewall using netfilter? |
| 21:17.29 | snorks | im using slackware |
| 21:17.31 | lunitik | ~botsnack |
| 21:17.31 | apt | lunitik: :) |
| 21:17.38 | lunitik | where's the bot? :( |
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| 21:18.09 | astan | i'm familiar with pf from BSD, but not netfilter, and i just need to throw up a "pass all" NAT for my FON wifi router. |
| 21:18.28 | lunitik | astan: #iptables |
| 21:19.02 | astan | lunitik: okay. |
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| 21:19.17 | |timrs| | astan: a kde iptables utility just showed up in kde-apps.org |
| 21:19.27 | lunitik | astan: iptables/netfilter (userland/kernelland) have nothing to do with KDE |
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| 21:20.06 | lunitik | Guarddog and KMyFirewall are both good, I guess... learning iptables is better :/ |
| 21:20.07 | |timrs| | astan: no, im a dee dee dee |
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| 21:20.27 | |timrs| | astan: ubuntu hq had an article about something related to a gui iptables program |
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| 21:20.46 | astan | hm. okay. |
| 21:20.46 | |timrs| | astan: http://www.ubuntuhq.com/node/6478 |
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| 21:20.55 | lunitik | |timrs|: You're trying to convince a FreeBSD refugee to use GUI tools? :/ |
| 21:21.29 | tomaz | gui is userful sometimes |
| 21:21.39 | lunitik | |timrs|: GUI's make life harder and slower for most anything that isn't internet related, and most things that are. |
| 21:21.58 | |timrs| | they're nice to see your options organized in a usable fashion |
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| 21:22.03 | astan | believe me, i wish i didn't know pf syntax either, but i do ;) |
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| 21:22.28 | lunitik | |timrs|: most people actually take the time to learn. |
| 21:22.41 | repoman | not me |
| 21:22.42 | astan | just thought if there was something simple i could apt-get and not have to dig through iptables manual. |
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| 21:23.04 | |timrs| | sometimes i don't feel like figuring out command line tools and configuration files and like to see all my available options and features in a menu/gui system to know what i can do |
| 21:23.05 | lunitik | astan: guarddog and kmyfirewall are both in debian/ubuntu |
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| 21:23.30 | lunitik | |timrs|: It's rare that all your options are presented in the GUI, actually.... |
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| 21:24.18 | astan | lunitik: sorry, missed your earlier message about them. i'll look them up. thx! |
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| 21:24.31 | jpsalova | Package management is good with a GUI. |
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| 21:24.47 | lunitik | astan: you're welcome... for what you want though, it'll waste time ;) |
| 21:25.08 | lunitik | jpsalova: It's better with aptitude. |
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| 21:25.40 | |timrs| | i only care about gui wen im searching for something, its easier to scroll through things and have multiple programs running on the same screen |
| 21:26.54 | |timrs| | i like the filter in konqueror for searching for things |
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| 21:27.35 | |timrs| | kde's gui find tool always seems to break on me.. so i have to use commandline find sometimes |
| 21:27.43 | jpsalova | lunitik: I haven't used apt too much, is it an ncruses program or something? |
| 21:27.49 | lunitik | GUI file management is a personal pet peeve... you'll do well to change your point... |
| 21:27.51 | jpsalova | I'm on Fedora/yum. |
| 21:28.08 | repoman | I use coherent |
| 21:28.36 | timrs | gui management is slow and counterproductive for things like changing permissions and real management |
| 21:28.36 | lunitik | jpsalova: aptitude has an ncurses interface... it has a very extensive search command on the command line though.... |
| 21:29.08 | lunitik | jpsalova: Never use apt on an RPM system :) |
| 21:29.55 | lunitik | At least they seem to be switching to smart-pm though |
| 21:29.57 | repoman | lunnitik are you a linux expert. |
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| 21:30.19 | lunitik | repoman: been using it for 7 years now... |
| 21:30.20 | CPrgmSwR2 | PCLinuxOS is a very well polished distro, but I dislike their sports theme |
| 21:30.24 | lunitik | I know my way around |
| 21:30.50 | lunitik | CPrgmSwR2: I have yet to find something that I like about it that isn't implemented better elsewhere.... |
| 21:30.53 | jpsalova | lunitik: Heh, I used apt + rpm back when I used Suse... Seemed to be ok. |
| 21:30.57 | repoman | lunitik: i thought maybe you were certified or something. |
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| 21:31.17 | lunitik | repoman: I could be, if I had the money for it... certs are expensive :( |
| 21:31.23 | CPrgmSwR2 | lunitik: I personally like kubuntu |
| 21:31.30 | CPrgmSwR2 | and gentoo |
| 21:31.52 | CPrgmSwR2 | once kde4 is released and can be added to kubuntu I plan to leave gentoo |
| 21:31.57 | jpsalova | Btw, is Kubuntu the same as Ubuntu with KDE installed from repo |
| 21:32.04 | timrs | opensuse is decent for always having the latest and greatest kde rpms |
| 21:32.06 | jpsalova | Or does it make any difference |
| 21:32.09 | CPrgmSwR2 | jpsalova: yes |
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| 21:34.46 | lonelysoul | if so how about fedora core? |
| 21:35.12 | repoman | I like fedora. |
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| 21:35.49 | luis | hi, I sent I file from my mobile to my PC using bluetooth, but I can't find the file anywhere. Search features can't find it too... what might be going on? Where are the files stored? Thanks! |
| 21:35.50 | lunitik | jpsalova: heh, the project is dead now... they'd do good to switch to smart by default... it still accesses their apt repos, and gives people choice of repo format (rpm-whatever ... format used by yum, is very popular lately for RPM distros... finally standardizing on something it seems...) |
| 21:35.50 | lunitik | smartpm has an ugly GUI though, so no one will yet :| |
| 21:35.50 | lunitik | I heard they're porting synaptic to use smart though... should be better |
| 21:35.58 | aapzak | I find ubunto to react sluggish, its becoming too large |
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| 21:36.35 | lunitik | aapzak: It's just crap :/ |
| 21:36.38 | aapzak | :) |
| 21:36.45 | aapzak | I like arch and gentoo the best |
| 21:36.55 | aapzak | arch is rocketfast |
| 21:37.04 | lunitik | aapzak: They make press every time they do something decent distro's implemented 5 years ago, it's pathetic. |
| 21:37.32 | jpsalova | Why exactly is arch fast? |
| 21:37.33 | aapzak | well, I do like their networkmanager and hybernation attempts |
| 21:37.42 | aapzak | jpsalova: dunno |
| 21:37.52 | aapzak | maybe less stupid services started? |
| 21:38.01 | jpsalova | Meh, maybe |
| 21:38.19 | lunitik | jpsalova: It's not really, just doesn't install as many libs etc that bog down system lacking memory. |
| 21:38.20 | aapzak | dunno why, but its way faster than ubuntu |
| 21:38.45 | aapzak | I have a slow machine, the speed difference is more abvious then |
| 21:38.47 | jpsalova | I was thinking that maybe it's rather about builds of the programs |
| 21:38.49 | jpsalova | Then just memory |
| 21:39.00 | jpsalova | But I don't know, I never compared speeds· |
| 21:39.04 | aapzak | memory mostly I think |
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| 21:39.26 | aapzak | on this old piece of equipment you just know :) |
| 21:39.32 | aapzak | arch is faster |
| 21:39.34 | lunitik | jpsalova: Debian certainly is faster because of the build variables the maintainers use... arch isn't nearly as well developed... they have a very small team. |
| 21:40.24 | aapzak | I turned away from debian after a couple of unpleasant chat sessions in irc, they think they're gods, de debian devs |
| 21:40.32 | lunitik | jpsalova: When you have 1,000 developers, most only working on perhaps 5 packages for many years, they get to know their packages, and examine and experiment with optimizations... |
| 21:40.34 | repoman | anyone remember caldera? |
| 21:40.54 | aapzak | the other communities are much nicer, gentoo, ubuntu and arch |
| 21:40.56 | Sho_ | aapzak: The Debian developers I work with are usually pretty nice |
| 21:41.16 | Sho_ | so are the Gentoo folks |
| 21:41.18 | lunitik | aapzak: You'd do well to heed their words, rather than engadging in dispute... |
| 21:41.53 | aapzak | sure they're nice, just not to me :) |
| 21:42.31 | aapzak | hop over to ubuntu/kubuntu channel and see how nice they are, then check out #debian :) |
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| 21:43.11 | lunitik | aapzak: Then take a look at the answers that no one even knows in #ubuntu, but are answered in minutes in #debian when asked correctly. |
| 21:43.14 | aapzak | debian is rock solid though, I really like the distro itself |
| 21:43.14 | repoman | ok noone remember caldera |
| 21:43.28 | aapzak | lunitik: you might have a point |
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| 21:43.59 | aapzak | I was asking a RTFM question, they don't like that |
| 21:44.04 | lunitik | aapzak: I lose brain cells whenever I enter their channels... and I usually get booted for actually trying to teach... it's rather humorous. |
| 21:44.27 | aapzak | exactly |
| 21:44.55 | lunitik | ie, instead of just telling them the answer, I'd tell them EXACTLY how to get the answer themselves... booted. |
| 21:45.07 | aapzak | my only problem with debian is that I don't know how to inject my own builds into apt :) |
| 21:45.11 | lunitik | GREAT community... they want everyone within to remain idiots... awesome. |
| 21:45.31 | derkrishan | anybody using festival with ims patches? |
| 21:45.32 | lunitik | aapzak: Umm, dh_make |
| 21:45.38 | aapzak | :) |
| 21:45.50 | aapzak | I told you, they probably had good reasons to kick me :) |
| 21:47.05 | aapzak | I have not used Debian for years now, is that dh_make new? |
| 21:47.15 | repoman | I've never used Debian. |
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| 21:47.33 | aapzak | I'd choose it for a server over any other OS |
| 21:47.42 | lunitik | repoman: Try it, you might like it :) |
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| 21:47.53 | aapzak | depending on third party apps and their support |
| 21:47.58 | repoman | i just installed fedora not ready to install anyting else at this point. |
| 21:48.23 | lunitik | repoman: their tools just make life a joy maintaining a linux system... anything else is like punishment :) |
| 21:48.31 | aapzak | lunitik: which tools? |
| 21:48.40 | aapzak | cli? |
| 21:48.44 | aapzak | network tools? |
| 21:48.51 | aapzak | init? |
| 21:49.05 | repoman | i started with coherent a really old unix like system and then went with slackware user friendly :-| |
| 21:49.49 | lunitik | aapzak: Things like debconf, kernel-package, module-assistant, debhelper... you name it, if its pissed you off at some point, they have a tool to automate it :) |
| 21:50.07 | repoman | if i'm not pissed i'm not working on the computer hard enough. |
| 21:50.43 | lunitik | repoman: that's where debian differs: the computer does the work... you drink more coffee :) |
| 21:50.43 | repoman | thought mandrake (mandravia) was supposed to be the easy linux distribution |
| 21:50.44 | runlevelten | Debian and SuSE are definite sysadmin-friendly distros, each for the people who know them. |
| 21:51.22 | aapzak | lunitik: are you running testing? |
| 21:51.26 | lunitik | aapzak: yes |
| 21:51.26 | aapzak | ah |
| 21:51.36 | aapzak | which KDE do you get then? |
| 21:51.41 | repoman | I've used SuSE. |
| 21:51.50 | lunitik | I got a 64bit machine, and apt/dpkg don't support multiarch :( |
| 21:51.56 | runlevelten | SuSE isn't a bad little desktop distro either, tbh. |
| 21:52.05 | repoman | and 10 gigs of memory? |
| 21:52.08 | lunitik | aapzak: kde 3.5.7 with bits of 3.92.0 |
| 21:52.16 | runlevelten | but it's a nice server OS imo. Really nice. |
| 21:52.23 | aapzak | the best |
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| 21:52.27 | lunitik | repoman: 2 |
| 21:52.39 | aapzak | basic install is just over 100 MB |
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| 21:53.25 | repoman | I ilke to fill up my harddrive 100 mb doesn't cut it. |
| 21:53.29 | aapzak | I'm thinking about ditching gentoo on my laptop, I hate the compileing? |
| 21:53.37 | aapzak | :) |
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| 21:53.57 | lunitik | runlevelten: I get frustrated with openSUSE easily... I'll be back on Debian in a week! |
| 21:54.01 | repoman | I know no one wants to install microsoft windows in here |
| 21:54.06 | derkrishan | put slackware on it *gg |
| 21:54.19 | runlevelten | Funnily enough, I'm the same the other way, heh |
| 21:54.36 | aapzak | everyone has his/her favo distro |
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| 21:54.38 | runlevelten | I moved from Debian to SuSE some time ago. |
| 21:54.41 | lunitik | repoman: Would give me a reason to play with VirtualBox... if I had a copy.... |
| 21:54.51 | runlevelten | I know, what a weird direction to move in, you might think :) |
| 21:54.53 | aapzak | I'm constantly switching between arch and gentoo |
| 21:54.57 | lunitik | runlevelten: you get tired of Debian? umm.... heh |
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| 21:55.40 | lunitik | runlevelten: Both are really nice... package management on Debian makes me cry when I'm away though :( |
| 21:55.44 | runlevelten | The only thing that made me switch my personal system was getting sick of never having tested packaged stuff for the newest versions. |
| 21:55.56 | derkrishan | i'm pretty happy with gentoo, although it does have a lot of edges here and there, it depends on the ebuild quality most of the time.. |
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| 21:56.21 | runlevelten | Debian used to take up quite a chunk of my downtime just to get new apps built and stuff, it was getting like gentoo. |
| 21:56.23 | lunitik | runlevelten: No distro has that... none. Everything by release is outdated. |
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| 21:56.26 | aapzak | derkrishan: I'm using paludis now and have much less ebuild trouble |
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| 21:56.49 | derkrishan | I do too ;-) |
| 21:56.57 | runlevelten | Not the end of the world, but with SuSE, you walk in or shell in with a task in mind, you do it. |
| 21:57.14 | aapzak | I think there is no perfect distro |
| 21:57.30 | lunitik | runlevelten: I spend half an hour arguing with yast, usually.... |
| 21:57.30 | repoman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.39 | aapzak | I am a genuine OS hopper because of that |
| 21:57.42 | aapzak | I can't |
| 21:57.59 | repoman | I guess you dont know Linus Torvalds. |
| 21:58.06 | aapzak | who? |
| 21:58.10 | lunitik | aapzak: Debian is it... just the drama around Debian gets old :/ |
| 21:58.37 | aapzak | lunitik: would it also be debian if you could only use stable? |
| 21:58.42 | runlevelten | Yast is slow these days. Still, I like the fact that I can unbox a new (say) audio player or digital SLR and do no configuration or library updating to have it work. |
| 21:59.12 | lunitik | You have to burry yourself in it though to learn of the latest solutions to the latest task that is getting tiresome. |
| 21:59.42 | lunitik | aapzak: Stable is for servers... Sid is where the funs at. For a server, I would personally make no other choice. |
| 21:59.55 | runlevelten | I have to use ubuntu at work as a desktop, and parts of that are almost fossilised, so although I don't dislike it, I don't want the extra work. |
| 21:59.57 | aapzak | me neither, server = debian stable |
| 22:00.05 | runlevelten | For servers, both Debian and SuSE. |
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| 22:00.45 | repoman | I thought slackware was good for networking. |
| 22:00.49 | lunitik | runlevelten: I'd probably use SLES if someone paid the license fees for me :/ |
| 22:00.51 | aapzak | for my work I'd have to test a lot of things before switching to debian |
| 22:01.12 | lunitik | repoman: Slackware is like Linux... only more stale. |
| 22:01.14 | aapzak | oracle, perl, ruby, rails, mysql, that kind of stuff |
| 22:01.19 | runlevelten | I get annoyed with ubuntu, it's a positive nuisance. |
| 22:01.25 | lunitik | It's like a timemachine back to when using your computer was a chore. |
| 22:01.31 | runlevelten | Still, it's better than windows, sort of. |
| 22:01.47 | aapzak | to me ubuntu feels a lot like windows |
| 22:01.58 | repoman | a pen and paper are better than windows. |
| 22:02.06 | aapzak | they hide everything from you and decide for you, tweaked too much |
| 22:02.13 | derkrishan | aapzak: paludis is kind of a milestone, i like the way it works with overlays .. I agree that there's no perfect distro - it all depends on what you want to do and what hardware you've got (it's all kind of fine tuned, chosse dsl for an old box, take yellow dog on a mac (or so), take ubuntu for newbies, suse or redhat for corporate stuff, slax for a live cd that just rocks) .. |
| 22:02.29 | lunitik | To me, Ubuntu feels a lot like a concussion... |
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| 22:02.58 | aapzak | derkrishan: paludis is a bliss, I really like it |
| 22:03.01 | lunitik | ... mostly self inflicted after banging my head on the desk, granted... |
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| 22:03.19 | DexterF | hi |
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| 22:03.25 | astan | ah. kmyfirewall did all i wanted, still had to edit a dhcpd.conf. but all working now, surfing from my nokia n95 ;) |
| 22:03.35 | lunitik | ~hi DexterF |
| 22:03.36 | apt | Many greetings, DexterF, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 22:03.48 | astan | thanks again for the tip lunitik, now i didn't have to stuff my brain with useless iptables syntax ;) |
| 22:03.48 | runlevelten | I don't actually think ubuntu is that good for newbies. |
| 22:03.50 | lunitik | astan: you're welcome |
| 22:03.53 | repoman | lunitik: have you used devil-linux |
| 22:03.57 | Paddy_EIRE | how do I install this theme http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Acqua?content=153 |
| 22:04.05 | runlevelten | I have end users running on opensuse or sled, no problems at all. |
| 22:04.06 | lunitik | repoman: nope. |
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| 22:04.16 | repoman | I tried it didn't get very far. |
| 22:04.31 | derkrishan | runlevelten: so what distro would you think is best for newbies |
| 22:04.35 | lunitik | Paddy_EIRE: Uhh... you hit 'download' and probably compile it. |
| 22:04.36 | aapzak | Ubuntu is good in the way it makes windows users wonder about linux, Ubuntu is very important for all of us |
| 22:04.37 | runlevelten | kubuntu though, broken as hell. Try using "desktop effects" with lots of windows open on kubuntu. horrendous. |
| 22:04.52 | derkrishan | sled? |
| 22:05.05 | Paddy_EIRE | lunitik, kde themes must be compiled |
| 22:05.05 | derkrishan | ok |
| 22:05.08 | derkrishan | got it |
| 22:05.10 | runlevelten | indeed. I support ubuntu for that reason. I don't think it's a polished distro though. |
| 22:05.13 | lunitik | SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop... I said Server though. |
| 22:05.15 | benJIman | SLED is same as openSUSE, but for people who want to buy subscriptions. |
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| 22:05.27 | thechef | I want to access a local ftp server in PORT-Mode, but Konqueror says "Ordner kann nicht geƶffnet werden" (Cannot open Folder). |
| 22:05.29 | lunitik | Paddy_EIRE: yes, generally speaking. |
| 22:05.33 | Paddy_EIRE | ok |
| 22:05.35 | runlevelten | derkrishan: opensuse probably. |
| 22:05.47 | lunitik | Paddy_EIRE: Well, no... themes don't, styles do though, and that is a style. |
| 22:05.55 | aapzak | even Debian is easy to install these days |
| 22:05.57 | Paddy_EIRE | I see |
| 22:06.00 | lunitik | themes are just customizations of engines... |
| 22:06.09 | Paddy_EIRE | lunitik, it comes with good instructions |
| 22:06.14 | runlevelten | debian's been easy to install for years |
| 22:06.27 | aapzak | maybe gentoo is the best newbie distro |
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| 22:06.38 | Savak | I love how debian can be installed from 3 floppy discs |
| 22:06.48 | runlevelten | gentoo is too time consuming. |
| 22:07.01 | aapzak | it shows you all aspects of your OS while installing, very interesting |
| 22:07.05 | aapzak | true |
| 22:07.28 | runlevelten | I doubt a casual end user will ever, EVER use their DE long enough to save the time they spend building it. |
| 22:07.31 | repoman | I never thought installing anything could even be remotely interesting. |
| 22:07.39 | lunitik | There used to be a Style that was popular... I think called Dekorate or something, that allowed different themes that were very different, but shared the same backend... |
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| 22:08.07 | aapzak | repoman: depends on your interests |
| 22:08.08 | runlevelten | At some point, themes won't have to be compiled for KDE 4 |
| 22:08.08 | lunitik | Ahh... yes... it's still around... |
| 22:08.25 | runlevelten | Well, windecs and so on. |
| 22:08.52 | lunitik | runlevelten: Yes, that is a goal for KDE4 :) |
| 22:09.18 | runlevelten | gentoo isn't hard to install at all. |
| 22:09.40 | lunitik | You'd require kore-dekorator ... then you can just place theme files in the right place, and voila... |
| 22:09.41 | derkrishan | not if you can read |
| 22:09.53 | runlevelten | If anything, I'd say it gives people false confidence, because they run through the very competent installation guide and think they know everything about their system. |
| 22:10.07 | aapzak | no , its not, but I'm from the stage1 days, takes a bit more time :) |
| 22:10.20 | aapzak | runlevelten: true again |
| 22:10.21 | runlevelten | I've seen some very misconfigured Gentoo in my time, heh. |
| 22:10.34 | aapzak | I'm sure I'm guilty too |
| 22:10.39 | aapzak | still, I learned a lot |
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| 22:11.04 | aapzak | gentoo certainly keeps you busy |
| 22:11.17 | runlevelten | and if you have the time, why not, eh? :) |
| 22:11.23 | lunitik | Even when I intended to do stage3, I ended up doing stage1's by accident... they make more sense :/ |
| 22:11.43 | repoman | I think we should all write our own system and compare and contrast. |
| 22:11.51 | aapzak | my workstation at work runs gentoo, compiling makes a lot of noice, so I have to compile at night, hardly ideal |
| 22:12.13 | lunitik | aapzak: huh? |
| 22:12.20 | aapzak | my colleagues don't like my noise :) |
| 22:12.24 | lunitik | aapzak: Why is compiling when you're not using the system not ideal? |
| 22:12.42 | aapzak | lunitik: beacuse today I needed tora and couldn't |
| 22:12.46 | repoman | I Miss the telephone modem noise |
| 22:13.26 | lunitik | Used to send shivers down my spine! |
| 22:13.39 | aapzak | my GF hated it :) |
| 22:14.01 | repoman | was under the impression you didn't have tons of money lunitik. |
| 22:14.10 | repoman | 12 MiB how much is that. |
| 22:14.13 | aapzak | I have more, but a lousy pingtime to my favo gameserver :( |
| 22:14.24 | lunitik | repoman: I don't... heh... it's free to me :/ |
| 22:14.47 | lunitik | repoman: 12/8 :/ |
| 22:14.59 | aapzak | 8 up? thats huge, not dsl |
| 22:15.15 | repoman | I want fire optic cable. |
| 22:15.17 | lunitik | aapzak: no... 8 bits in a byte... |
| 22:15.19 | repoman | fiber optic cable. |
| 22:15.25 | aapzak | :) |
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| 22:15.47 | lunitik | so 12 MiB is 1.5 MB/s |
| 22:15.53 | aapzak | correct |
| 22:16.03 | astan | i had 30/30 Mbit/s over optofiber in my old apartment, but had to move :/ |
| 22:16.15 | aapzak | college? |
| 22:16.16 | astan | the town sucked ass, but the Internet was the best i've ever had. |
| 22:16.16 | repoman | that's what happens when you dont pay the rent |
| 22:16.18 | aapzak | uni? |
| 22:16.24 | lunitik | astan: You couldn't drag me from there... no way! |
| 22:16.49 | aapzak | uni's often get 100mbit in holland |
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| 22:17.09 | astan | aapzak: no, surprisingly not. just a small town state owned land lord that was doing a pilot project, i happened to be in one of the lucky buildings. |
| 22:17.17 | aapzak | kewl |
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| 22:18.12 | astan | anyway, really bad town. lots of drunks, nothing to do. the internet wasn't worth it. in some years i'll have optofiber where i am now anyway ;) |
| 22:19.07 | repoman | I dont see any spam in here. |
| 22:19.18 | lunitik | astan: Sounds like a college town....... |
| 22:19.44 | lunitik | astan: Except the drinking part counters the nothing to do part in that case.......... |
| 22:20.09 | repoman | anyone drunk now? |
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| 22:21.49 | aapzak | repoman: far from it |
| 22:22.17 | aapzak | lunitik: aseigo is not here is he |
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| 22:22.38 | repoman | saw him in the list. |
| 22:22.45 | aapzak | true |
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| 22:23.08 | aapzak | I'm also a irc amateur |
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| 22:25.08 | repoman | it's not as chatty in here as it was earlier. |
| 22:25.27 | aapzak | everyone is drunk now, or asleep |
| 22:25.34 | aapzak | its sleep time in CET |
| 22:25.41 | repoman | central europe time? |
| 22:25.48 | aapzak | yeps |
| 22:25.57 | aapzak | CEST |
| 22:25.58 | pinotree | err, what about finally moving your private conversation into a private channel? |
| 22:26.22 | aapzak | ow, nothing private about it |
| 22:26.31 | repoman | exactly |
| 22:26.49 | pinotree | but offtopic |
| 22:26.52 | aapzak | true |
| 22:27.10 | aapzak | if it's not allowed I'll shut up |
| 22:27.25 | repoman | I'll allow it. |
| 22:27.31 | pinotree | ell, you took your time with it, now please stop that |
| 22:27.38 | pinotree | *well |
| 22:27.42 | aapzak | k |
| 22:28.13 | aapzak | wasn't aware ... |
| 22:28.37 | pinotree | well, anything != kde is offtopic |
| 22:28.42 | aapzak | true |
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| 22:30.23 | aapzak | I'd like to know if anyone here syncs his KDEPIM with google. Addressbook and calendar, like apple does .mac? |
| 22:30.45 | repoman | sounds good. |
| 22:30.51 | aapzak | I can't find a solid solution , I'm affraid it does not exist |
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| 22:31.37 | aapzak | pinotree: this is not the developers channel is it? just regular kde user chat is allowed? |
| 22:32.04 | pinotree | this is the general kde user support channel |
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| 22:33.03 | aapzak | kew; |
| 22:33.05 | aapzak | kewl |
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| 22:33.43 | Midtronic | is there some sort of startup log I can look at? My KDE's hanging on the "Initializing System Services" part |
| 22:33.56 | pinotree | ~/.xsession-errors |
| 22:34.02 | Midtronic | ty |
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| 22:35.29 | Midtronic | is kio a requisite for other kde apps? I get a kio error and then a few mimetypes |
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| 22:39.07 | Sho_ | Midtronic: KIO is a modular input/output abstraction layer, i.e. yes, it sees heavy use in basically every KDE application |
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| 22:42.32 | pime | Yo |
| 22:42.37 | Midtronic | ok, is there a more specialized log for KIO? The exact error is "kio (KSyscoca): ERROR: No database available!" |
| 22:42.45 | pime | LOL |
| 22:42.48 | pinotree | Midtronic: that's (almost) normal |
| 22:42.53 | Midtronic | do I need to populate this db somehow? |
| 22:43.01 | pinotree | nope |
| 22:43.11 | Midtronic | so that error's not my problem...? |
| 22:43.40 | pinotree | don't think so |
| 22:43.47 | Midtronic | how about the mimetypes? |
| 22:44.03 | pime | Well |
| 22:44.12 | pime | You have a DB using KSyscoca? |
| 22:44.14 | pime | Dude |
| 22:44.18 | linuxkeitaro | back |
| 22:44.20 | pime | Use KFormDeisgner |
| 22:44.28 | Midtronic | pime: this is during init |
| 22:44.37 | Midtronic | if I want to make a DB I'll use MySQL |
| 22:44.38 | pime | oh, oops, lol my mistake |
| 22:44.44 | Midtronic | ;_) |
| 22:45.56 | Midtronic | ... if he was looking for a flamewar he failed |
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| 22:57.33 | papadopc | is there a way to locally store emails when using an imap account with kmail? (other than using disconnected imap) |
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| 23:16.52 | tsb | Sometimes skype works, sometimes it doesn't, it is driving me crazy. I've compared alsamixer to when it works and it doesn't, and they are 100% identical. I've turned off skype dynamic mic volume. Any idea wtf is going on here? |
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| 23:18.05 | oneforall | hi why is it when I type in mplayer it persists on loading gmplayer |
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| 23:19.47 | Digital_Pioneer | Why is my alt-middle click-drag window resizing shortcut not working? |
| 23:20.16 | oneforall | when I right click to go pick what I want it to use its doing that too >:( |
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| 23:21.02 | Digital_Pioneer | Ehh, NVM. Found it, but I didn't change that setting myself... :\ |
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| 23:29.14 | kernco | Does anyone know how to extract the boot image from a bootable CD-ROM? I heard you can do this with k3b. |
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| 23:30.54 | timrs | you can't do it with k3b, i think maybe with dd |
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| 23:33.03 | BCMM | when i use the volume up and volume down keys on my keyboard, the kmix volume OSD opens as it should |
| 23:33.11 | ko-clean | Please tell me. how can I join to IRC chat in terminal? |
| 23:33.17 | BCMM | but it only lets me choose 0% or 11% |
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| 23:33.26 | BCMM | ko-clean: there are several programs... |
| 23:33.46 | BCMM | bo |
| 23:33.48 | BCMM | sry |
| 23:33.54 | BCMM | bitchx is popular i thin |
| 23:34.10 | BCMM | and ircii |
| 23:34.38 | ko-clean | can I install with yum? |
| 23:34.53 | BCMM | also 0 and 11% make no diff to playback so i have no clue which mixer it's supposed to be changing |
| 23:35.05 | BCMM | ko-clean: no idea, which distro has yum again? |
| 23:35.21 | BCMM | i *think* they are both popular enough to be availble everywhere though |
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| 23:38.06 | BCMM | anyway is there any fix for this kmix problem, and if not, how would i go about making kmix ignore volume key presses? |
| 23:38.29 | BCMM | if i have to i will just go and swap the keys for some other keys with xmodmap, but that seems a bit overkill |
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| 23:52.42 | MinceR | ko-clean: irssi, weechat :> |
| 23:53.09 | ko-clean | thx bro |
| 23:53.17 | MinceR | np |
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| 23:53.50 | ko-clean | MinceR: by the way, can I install with yum? |
| 23:58.26 | MinceR | dunno, i'm on kubuntu |
