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| 00:42.08 | pinpni | pinpin kde 4 is good |
| 00:43.40 | pedepy | is kde4 out yet ? |
| 00:43.43 | pedepy | come on |
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| 00:45.06 | pinpni | the beta |
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| 00:47.01 | luyt | Yes you can try various live CD's with KDE4 on it |
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| 00:47.51 | squarebottle | Hey, can anybody recommend a KDE application that I can use to manually syncronize two folders? |
| 00:48.27 | squarebottle | When I say manually, I mean, a program that'll let me do it without having it be automatic? |
| 00:48.45 | squarebottle | Meh. I mean, not on a schedule. Sorry. |
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| 00:51.28 | maverick_ | does kde4 RC1 works now on the fly now after installation on gutsy?! |
| 00:51.49 | maverick_ | as i experienced problems and acouldn't get it working with plasma on feisty.. |
| 00:53.51 | luyt | squarebottle: Doesn't rsync claim to be able to do that? It's not an KDE app, bbut nevertheless... |
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| 00:58.06 | squarebottle | luyt: Rsync is a protocol, and it requires rsync to be installed on a remote server to use, which makes it inappropriate for portable media devices. |
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| 00:59.14 | squarebottle | luyt: Unless you can in fact use rsync locally? |
| 00:59.51 | luyt | Ah, your goal is to sync portable media devices? Like your ipod? |
| 01:00.27 | squarebottle | luyt: I've got an Archos 605 WiFi to be precise, and a portable hard drive to back stuff up, too. |
| 01:00.47 | squarebottle | luyt: Come to think of it, rsync might work for that, but if you know something better for syncing folders, that'd be great. |
| 01:01.11 | squarebottle | luyt: Preferably something with a frontend so that I can recommened it to my less than cli aware friends. |
| 01:01.23 | luyt | Hmmm, I use subversion from office and home to connect & sync my central source code repository at an external server... |
| 01:01.52 | squarebottle | luyt: Subversion might be overkill for syncing a video folder and a music folder, don't you think? :P |
| 01:01.58 | luyt | Yes. |
| 01:02.35 | squarebottle | luyt: The easiest thing would probably be to just write two bash scripts that use rsync, I suppose. But that's not going to be very good for my friends. |
| 01:02.44 | luyt | But Tortoise has a very nice Windows integrations, which might be great for you too, but maybe not for your less then cli aware friends. |
| 01:03.04 | luyt | nah, there should be something easier |
| 01:03.12 | squarebottle | luyt: There's gotta be. |
| 01:03.28 | squarebottle | luyt: I'm just surprised I can't find it! You'd think that it'd be fairly in demand! |
| 01:03.28 | luyt | This is the correct channel for such a question, I think. |
| 01:04.01 | squarebottle | luyt: It'd be sexy if it it was built into Dolphin, but... Well, it isn't. |
| 01:04.32 | squarebottle | luyt: I'm sure that if more people in the room were awake, we'd get a few different recommendations. |
| 01:04.38 | squarebottle | :P |
| 01:05.56 | luyt | I wanna watch an aliens movie |
| 01:06.05 | luyt | "You secure that shit, Hudson!" |
| 01:06.30 | luyt | Newt: "They mostlt come out at night. Mostly." |
| 01:08.05 | MinceR | that brings a south park episode to mind |
| 01:09.19 | luyt | "Game over man, game over." |
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| 01:10.27 | squarebottle | Alright. Well, I tried. Maybe I'll ask again later. See ya. |
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| 01:11.30 | Silouck | any kde developer? |
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| 01:13.37 | Rasi | Silouck: look in kde-devel |
| 01:13.43 | Rasi | #kde-devel |
| 01:13.47 | luyt | I think you will find developers in #kde-devel, but they're not keen to seeing enduser questions in there |
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| 01:22.51 | sharp15 | which of the fields in ksysguard is the memory usage for a listed application? |
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| 01:31.33 | sharp15 | i have the field/columns VmSize and VmRss is either of them what i'm want, or is it not shown? |
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| 01:32.14 | poweruser | anyone know how to use dcop to do the equivalent of clicking on the taskbar? basically I want to set focus and bring to front, even if it means rotating the compiz cube... |
| 01:32.15 | benJIman | vmrss is closest to the resident memory usage, but it's not the whole picture, it reports shared memory multiple times for instance. |
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| 01:35.14 | sharp15 | benJIman: ok. |
| 01:35.47 | sharp15 | any ideas for tools that will show the information i'm looking for? |
| 01:36.35 | benJIman | It depends how you define memory usage. |
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| 01:37.45 | sharp15 | from your statement i gather there is more than one definition. but i'm not sure what they would be. |
| 01:38.04 | benJIman | exmap maybe |
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| 01:52.42 | sabayonuser_ | hi |
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| 03:39.59 | mEck0 | Hi! when I try to install kdm-kde4, I got this message: "E: kdm-kde4: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1", whats wrong and how do I solve it |
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| 03:42.29 | sabayonuser | I am new with Linux. All I need are reasons why to keep it. In other words, what are the advantages of running Linux on my computer^_^. Anyone can tall me? Please |
| 03:44.39 | Thug-life | sabayonuser if you see no problem with windows, then non |
| 03:44.49 | kakalto | sabayonuser: Well, that's something you can find out :-) My reasons - linux is more stable than alternatives, and some of the software in KDE, I depend on now. |
| 03:45.00 | sabayonuser | That's the problem I don't like windows:S |
| 03:45.03 | kakalto | then there's the whole "software freedom" thing. |
| 03:45.20 | sabayonuser | Oh |
| 03:45.55 | kakalto | in general, if something stuffs up under linux, there is better support IMO. (just check out all the linux support channels here on freenode) |
| 03:46.13 | kakalto | and linux practically never gets virii, malware, adware, etc. |
| 03:46.18 | sabayonuser | Even thou I don't like Windows OS...I need some software from it. Is it possible to install MS software under Linux? |
| 03:46.46 | kakalto | sabayonuser: There are alternatives, and it is possible to run _some_ windows software under linux by using a program called "wine" |
| 03:46.46 | sabayonuser | Does it get viruses thou? |
| 03:46.53 | sabayonuser | Oh! |
| 03:46.57 | sabayonuser | :) |
| 03:47.11 | Thug-life | Yes, but since you need root access to change any important files - they cannot do much haarm |
| 03:47.25 | kakalto | and they're much more uncommon than windows viruses. |
| 03:47.27 | sabayonuser | Oh |
| 03:47.35 | sabayonuser | :O |
| 03:47.37 | sabayonuser | :) |
| 03:47.47 | sabayonuser | Thanks Everyone for The Info:) |
| 03:48.58 | sabayonuser | How do install something (like Flash Player) on your browser on a Linux? |
| 03:49.00 | kakalto | I hope you {have found,do find} the answers you're after :-) |
| 03:49.13 | sabayonuser | Thank you Kakalto |
| 03:49.23 | sabayonuser | By the way, I like that nick:) |
| 03:49.40 | kakalto | sabayonuser: for you on sabayon linux, it is probably by going into the "kuroo" application and searching for netscape-flash, then install that package. |
| 03:49.49 | kakalto | thankyou :-) |
| 03:50.15 | kakalto | I hope it doesn't offend you. A couple of years after I started with this nick, I found that it can be interpretted offensively in brazilian. |
| 03:50.25 | kakalto | erh, portuguese. |
| 03:50.47 | sabayonuser | That ironic because I am half Brazilian :P |
| 03:51.01 | kakalto | haha. |
| 03:51.05 | sabayonuser | haha |
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| 03:52.51 | sabayonuser | Anyways...I have just started using linux and so far...wow! I am just facinated with it; programs, desktop environment, etc.... But There are things that I still do not understand... |
| 03:53.20 | sabayonuser | I tried opening a website...and my browser doesn't have the Flash Player installed... |
| 03:53.49 | sabayonuser | I did download the installation file..but I don't know how to install it. |
| 03:54.12 | sabayonuser | The instructions tell me to download the file to my desktop and then... |
| 03:54.58 | kakalto | sabayonuser: usually under linux, you have a specific program which you use to install other programs. You shouldn't even need to download a program straight from the internet to install. You just search for it in your program (kuroo for you, I think) and you can install it from there :-) |
| 03:55.11 | sabayonuser | :S I have no clue how to get to navigate on a terminal. |
| 03:55.27 | sabayonuser_ | hello |
| 03:55.42 | sabayonuser | kuroo:) |
| 03:55.45 | sabayonuser | Hi |
| 03:56.05 | sabayonuser | hehe,, we both share the same nick:) |
| 03:56.17 | sabayonuser | You must be my good twin^_^ |
| 03:56.46 | sabayonuser_ | kakalto i can ask you about kuroo_ |
| 03:56.51 | sabayonuser_ | ? |
| 03:57.08 | kakalto | just ask, don't ask to ask :-) |
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| 03:57.13 | kakalto | I'll give my best shot to answering. |
| 03:57.22 | sabayonuser_ | ok |
| 03:57.35 | sabayonuser_ | :) |
| 03:57.39 | mEck0 | does anyone now how to solve the problem with installing kdm-kde4? |
| 03:58.20 | sabayonuser_ | the first time what i m using linux |
| 03:58.32 | sabayonuser_ | (also pc) |
| 03:59.01 | sabayonuser_ | (or such us(? |
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| 04:01.47 | sabayonuser | Kalkato..what are other alternatives to "Kuroo"? I don't have it :P |
| 04:02.20 | kakalto | ah, interesting. Then you will have to use the terminal. I thought kuroo was already there in sabayon. :-) |
| 04:02.36 | sabayonuser | :( No |
| 04:02.38 | kakalto | sabayonuser: go to a terminal and type "emerge -va kuroo" |
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| 04:02.45 | sabayonuser | :) |
| 04:02.47 | sabayonuser | Ok |
| 04:03.00 | sabayonuser | Thank you Kalkato^_^ I will do so. |
| 04:03.27 | kakalto | sabayonuser: in case you don't know, this command will install kuroo. |
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| 04:03.40 | sabayonuser | Oh! |
| 04:03.43 | mEck0 | since I got an error while installing kdm-kde4, is it possible to use gdm to log onto kde4? |
| 04:03.56 | kakalto | mEck0: yep, definately possible. |
| 04:03.57 | sabayonuser | ^_^ I didn't know that!! THANK YOU!!!! |
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| 04:04.11 | mEck0 | kakalto, ok thx! |
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| 04:04.39 | kakalto | mEck0: I have kdm3 installed to log into kde4 incase kdm4 breaks :-) |
| 04:05.19 | mEck0 | kakalto, hehe, nice :) I've just installed kde4 because I couldn't wait to release of stable to test it :) |
| 04:06.29 | kakalto | mEck0: careful, there's still a few showstopper bugs at the moment. #kde4-krush is dedicated to fix these. |
| 04:06.44 | mEck0 | okay |
| 04:07.08 | kakalto | they're krushing bugs ;-D |
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| 04:09.15 | sabayonuser_ | <kakalto> ihave try to install kuroo but may be i have a nother kind of problem |
| 04:09.38 | sabayonuser_ | with the connecttion |
| 04:09.44 | sabayonuser | Oh |
| 04:09.45 | kakalto | it takes quite some time to finish? |
| 04:09.51 | sabayonuser | Oh |
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| 04:10.16 | sabayonuser | That's whatt I thought^_^. |
| 04:10.29 | sabayonuser_ | seecond time it try |
| 04:10.38 | sabayonuser | :o |
| 04:10.54 | sabayonuser_ | 3 |
| 04:11.13 | sabayonuser | Mine says:"Calculating Dependencies" |
| 04:11.28 | sabayonuser_ | no now timeout |
| 04:11.35 | sabayonuser_ | 6 time |
| 04:11.38 | kakalto | sabayonuser: that is usual. I get that :-) |
| 04:11.45 | sabayonuser | So I guess it taakes a while to calculate |
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| 04:12.01 | kakalto | sabayonuser_: It sounds like the server you are trying to download from has problems. |
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| 04:12.40 | sabayonuser | I believe I mine is done with the installation ^_^ |
| 04:12.48 | sabayonuser_ | sorry i understand |
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| 04:14.12 | sabayonuser | How do you run "Kuroo"? It is not in the menu :( |
| 04:14.49 | kakalto | sabayonuser: if you can't find it in the menu, try from the terminal type "kuroo" |
| 04:16.00 | sabayonuser | "bash: kuroo: command not found" |
| 04:16.24 | kakalto | sabayonuser: sounds like it didn't finish the install properly. |
| 04:16.42 | sabayonuser | It's possible |
| 04:17.06 | kakalto | sabayonuser: "kuroo" is just a graphical way of managing programs, you can just use "emerge" to install programs, if you know what you are doing. |
| 04:17.12 | sabayonuser_ | bash: kuroo: command not found |
| 04:17.20 | sabayonuser | Oh |
| 04:17.21 | sabayonuser_ | ihih |
| 04:17.22 | sabayonuser | :) |
| 04:18.09 | kakalto | for example. If you want to search for "flash" then you would go "emerge --search flash" in the terminal |
| 04:18.26 | sabayonuser | INTERESTING!!! |
| 04:19.10 | sabayonuser | So Kuroo it's just like the Terminal but with graphics. |
| 04:19.18 | sabayonuser | :O |
| 04:19.21 | sabayonuser | ^_^ |
| 04:19.33 | kakalto | ya. When it is installed and works :-) |
| 04:20.11 | sabayonuser | Oh |
| 04:20.16 | kakalto | sabayonuser: the command I gave you before, "emerge -va kuroo" is short for "emerge --verbose --ask kuroo", which will tell you a lot of information, and ask you if you are sure you want to install before it installs. |
| 04:20.20 | sabayonuser | ^_^ |
| 04:20.35 | kakalto | "verbose" will tell you the size of the downloads aswell. |
| 04:20.36 | sabayonuser | Oh! |
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| 04:21.34 | sabayonuser | But it didn't ask me if I wanted to install anything. |
| 04:21.59 | sabayonuser | After the calculations were done it says: |
| 04:22.00 | kakalto | sabayonuser: it should have come to a point that it says "Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No]" |
| 04:22.12 | kakalto | sabayonuser: careful |
| 04:22.15 | sabayonuser | Oh |
| 04:22.18 | kakalto | sabayonuser: do not paste everything here. |
| 04:22.25 | sabayonuser | It didn't ask me that question |
| 04:22.38 | sabayonuser | No I am not pasting it |
| 04:22.44 | sabayonuser | I am paraphrasing |
| 04:22.45 | sabayonuser | :P |
| 04:22.47 | kakalto | sabayonuser: you can copy and paste the output to www.rafb.net/paste if you need to :-) |
| 04:23.01 | sabayonuser | It says something like: |
| 04:23.05 | kakalto | then it will tell you a link and you can put that link here. |
| 04:23.24 | sabayonuser | 2 pakgs, size and all that |
| 04:23.29 | sabayonuser | Oh |
| 04:23.31 | sabayonuser | :) |
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| 04:23.41 | kakalto | sabayonuser: ah, I know what I missed. |
| 04:23.54 | sabayonuser | :P |
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| 04:24.08 | tapas | autoskip in kde move dialog does exactly what? |
| 04:24.10 | sabayonuser | an installation comand:P |
| 04:24.12 | kakalto | sabayonuser: you need to be logged into the "root" account. in the terminal, type "su" (for super user) before the emerge command. |
| 04:24.27 | sabayonuser | oh:! |
| 04:24.41 | sabayonuser | That;s what they ment by logging into the root!!! |
| 04:24.45 | sabayonuser | hehe |
| 04:24.51 | sabayonuser | ok^_^ |
| 04:24.55 | sabayonuser | I will do so^_^ |
| 04:25.29 | sabayonuser | Oh!!^_^ |
| 04:25.49 | sabayonuser | and now I can install it from here, right? |
| 04:25.55 | sabayonuser | yay!!^_^ |
| 04:25.57 | kakalto | sabayonuser: yes. |
| 04:26.19 | sabayonuser | :o ^_^ THANK YOU KAKALTO!!!!! |
| 04:26.20 | kakalto | tapas: I acknowledge you have posed a question, but I'm leaving the answering up to someone who knows :-) |
| 04:26.28 | sabayonuser | You are like my hero! |
| 04:26.44 | tapas | ah i was thinking to fancy |
| 04:26.44 | kakalto | sabayonuser: just another linux junkie. =] |
| 04:26.51 | tapas | it just skips every file it encounters |
| 04:27.01 | tapas | would be cool if it were configurable to not skip directories though |
| 04:27.03 | sabayonuser | ^_^ |
| 04:27.04 | tapas | only skip flies |
| 04:27.09 | tapas | kinda like cheap rsync |
| 04:27.18 | sabayonuser | Oh! |
| 04:28.56 | DCX | Well Kakalto, I am not sabayonUser anymore, now I am DCX ^_^ |
| 04:29.35 | DCX | I was trying to figure out how to change my nick...and I finally found the way^_^ |
| 04:30.42 | kakalto | DCX: congratulations. |
| 04:30.53 | DCX | ^_^Thank you again |
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| 04:31.31 | DCX | WOW, thanks to you now I feel like I am falling in love with Linux^_^ |
| 04:31.57 | DCX | How come it isn't as popular the other OSes? |
| 04:32.28 | kakalto | DCX: there's simple and complicated answers to that question. Simple: it hasn't always been as easy as it is now. |
| 04:33.19 | DCX | Oh |
| 04:33.20 | kakalto | complicated answer: not as many games work under linux, vendor lock-in (companies forced to use microsoft products), particular programs that are not available under linux |
| 04:33.30 | kakalto | there's more reasons, but I'll leave it at that. |
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| 04:33.38 | DCX | ;) |
| 04:33.49 | DCX | That explains many things |
| 04:34.35 | DCX | so waht you are telling me is that before everything was runned from the Terminal Program? |
| 04:34.49 | kakalto | yup. |
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| 04:34.54 | DCX | OH!!!!!!:O |
| 04:35.02 | kakalto | even on windows, it used to be like that. |
| 04:35.21 | DCX | The MS-DOS? |
| 04:35.32 | kakalto | ya. |
| 04:35.35 | DCX | Oh! |
| 04:36.07 | DCX | WOW!! |
| 04:36.34 | DCX | Well, I will try to convince as much people as I can to switch to Linux |
| 04:37.31 | DCX | although,..at firsts it seams "different" it is very user friendly even for me who doesn't know much about computers. |
| 04:37.35 | kakalto | DCX: the main thing is to make sure they make their own decisions :-) |
| 04:37.44 | DCX | Yup |
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| 04:38.11 | DCX | But there is a Live version of this OS..and I can tell them to try it^_^ |
| 04:38.35 | DCX | If they just don't like it..then I am not forcing them to use it |
| 04:38.59 | DCX | And as you said: it is very stable and secure. |
| 04:39.46 | kakalto | DCX: Some versions have problems that people don't like. One major example is wireless network, which does not always work. |
| 04:40.18 | DCX | Well, I am on a wireless network right now and it's working good so far. |
| 04:41.35 | DCX | I have understood that there are sooooooo many different versions of Linux. Which version do you use Kakalto? |
| 04:42.00 | kakalto | gentoo. |
| 04:42.07 | DCX | ooo.... |
| 04:42.10 | kakalto | it is very similar to sabayon. Not as flash or fancy though. |
| 04:42.19 | kakalto | I am more of a simple man :-) |
| 04:42.19 | DCX | Oh |
| 04:42.51 | kakalto | well, "simple" isn't the best word, but I like control and I don't care too much of the desktop effects |
| 04:42.52 | DCX | Me too, but since Sabayon has been the first and only version I have tried... |
| 04:43.06 | DCX | ^_^ |
| 04:43.12 | kakalto | DCX: the main drawback of sabayon/gentoo is that it takes a long time to install new programs. |
| 04:43.23 | DCX | :o |
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| 04:44.08 | DCX | :P But as long as they are installed that doesn't really matter. |
| 04:44.18 | DCX | Unless you are in a rush:( |
| 04:44.20 | NeoOokami | Not a problem if your system is reasonably fast. Though KDE certainly isn't a short compile.. |
| 04:44.22 | kakalto | indeed. |
| 04:44.36 | DCX | But I am never in a rush..so it is ok for me to wait^_^ |
| 04:44.41 | kakalto | NeoOokami: but then, sabayon has things like kde precompiled. |
| 04:44.59 | DCX | @_@ |
| 04:45.16 | DCX | Me no understand ^_^hehe |
| 04:45.20 | NeoOokami | Yeah but Gentoo here. Trying out KDE entails a noticeable wait. XD |
| 04:45.34 | kakalto | hehe |
| 04:45.47 | DCX | KDE is the desktop environment, correct? |
| 04:46.17 | NeoOokami | Yeah. |
| 04:46.31 | DCX | Because I noticed that before I log in it has the option of loggging in as Gnome or something like that:P |
| 04:47.03 | DCX | And when I did that..the screen was different:P |
| 04:47.03 | kakalto | yup, Gnome is another desktop environment. If you try it, you will see the differences. |
| 04:47.35 | DCX | :) |
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| 04:47.55 | DCX | So what's the difference? Is it just the appearance? |
| 04:48.06 | NeoOokami | Quite a bit of a difference actually. |
| 04:48.15 | DCX | :O |
| 04:48.19 | NeoOokami | Different approach to how the desktop should be handled, inside and out really. |
| 04:48.26 | DCX | Oh |
| 04:49.01 | NeoOokami | It's worth trying really. You'll find plenty of options on Linux if one doesn't suit you. |
| 04:49.30 | kakalto | Linux is all about choice, really. Depends how much time you want to spend investigating the options :-) |
| 04:49.34 | NeoOokami | KDE and Gnome are by far the two most popular options though. |
| 04:49.47 | NeoOokami | And both are extremely well polished these days. |
| 04:49.48 | DCX | NeoOokami, I am new with Linux ^_^ and Kakalto was telling me that there is a way of running Win software on Linux |
| 04:49.55 | DCX | WINE is I remember correctly |
| 04:50.13 | DCX | Since I still depend on some MS software... |
| 04:50.16 | NeoOokami | Yep. 'tis the key to how I play WoW. ;_; |
| 04:50.49 | DCX | I might need to keep using them for a while...until I get used to LINUX^_^ |
| 04:50.51 | kakalto | Ideally you can use OpenOffice or KOffice instead of MS Office. You can use kopete or pidgin instead of msn/yahoo/gtalk/aim/etc. |
| 04:51.12 | NeoOokami | Yep. You should try to see if there's a native replacement first and foremost. |
| 04:51.20 | NeoOokami | Really all I use WINE for are a few games. |
| 04:51.26 | DCX | I have been doing that |
| 04:51.33 | kakalto | konqueror or firefox instead of internet explorer (firefox is on windows too though) |
| 04:52.00 | DCX | But...not all the funtions from PowerPoint work on Kpresentation (or however it is called) |
| 04:52.25 | NeoOokami | You can't always find a perfect replacement, one of the reasons being able to run a Windows app is so valued still. |
| 04:52.27 | DCX | :P |
| 04:52.40 | DCX | Yup |
| 04:52.43 | DCX | Indeed |
| 04:53.12 | DCX | WOW,..Linux is so....wonderful! |
| 04:53.23 | DCX | And the people around it too! |
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| 04:54.26 | DCX | I was trying to play a video file yesterday..but I couldn't :( |
| 04:55.05 | DCX | I don't know...but I think it need codecs. |
| 04:55.08 | kakalto | DCX: the package "win32codecs" can help with that, if you don't have it. |
| 04:55.24 | DCX | I don't believe I have it:S |
| 04:55.33 | DCX | How do I get it? :( |
| 04:55.55 | DCX | emerge -va win32codecs? |
| 04:56.06 | kakalto | that's the one. yup. :-) |
| 04:56.18 | kakalto | or if you have kuroo now, you can go into there and search for it, and install it in there. |
| 04:56.27 | DCX | Oh!! |
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| 04:56.47 | DCX | somehow I like the Terminal^_^ |
| 04:57.31 | kakalto | DCX: makes you feel like you know what you're doing :-) |
| 04:57.38 | DCX | hehe, make Linux more...interestin^_^ |
| 04:57.51 | DCX | Exactly' |
| 04:57.59 | DCX | It's like... |
| 04:58.20 | NeoOokami | It's also good to not be afraid to use it in general. |
| 04:58.23 | DCX | "WOW!!! I CAN"T BELIEVE I AM DOING THIS" |
| 04:58.37 | NeoOokami | Just in case something does break later on, it's the best path for getting things fixed. |
| 04:58.40 | DCX | So terminal is not just for installations? |
| 04:58.47 | DCX | Oh! |
| 04:58.49 | DCX | :O |
| 04:58.51 | kakalto | DCX: there are many things you can do from the terminal. |
| 04:59.03 | NeoOokami | You can get apps to do just about anything from a terminal really. |
| 04:59.03 | DCX | OH!!! :O ^_^ |
| 04:59.14 | DCX | ? |
| 04:59.18 | NeoOokami | Some people don't use a desktop environment at all and stay minimalistic to high hell. |
| 04:59.22 | DCX | I don't get it :S |
| 04:59.38 | NeoOokami | Some people prefer using a terminal for doing lots of stuff. |
| 04:59.45 | DCX | Like.. |
| 04:59.50 | NeoOokami | Even when they could be using a GUI. |
| 04:59.53 | kakalto | DCX: some people don't use the graphical desktop environment at all :-) |
| 05:00.02 | DCX | WOW!! |
| 05:00.17 | kakalto | DCX: you can talk to people here on IRC from the terminal. You can browse the internet (with no pictures) from the terminal |
| 05:00.19 | NeoOokami | Like anything. Editors, web browsing, email, news, playing music.. |
| 05:00.22 | DCX | OH!! |
| 05:00.30 | DCX | WOW!!! |
| 05:00.41 | lurch | hey all! i am having isses with KDM not letting me login.. i can login to the console and then do startx using same user name and password, kdm however will not recognize my username/password. any ideas WHY? or HOW to FIX it? |
| 05:00.45 | DCX | That makes...LINUX even more..INTERESTING!! |
| 05:00.52 | kakalto | it's called the "CLI" (command line interface), which is different from your "GUI" (graphical user interface) |
| 05:01.15 | DCX | OH! |
| 05:01.26 | DCX | I was wondering what GUI meant:P |
| 05:01.29 | NeoOokami | I'm going to be crucified by my friends. I think I've started to like KDE more than Gnome. |
| 05:01.41 | DCX | hehe |
| 05:02.17 | DCX | Well, you are not the only one who has started to like KDE |
| 05:02.34 | kakalto | lurch: hmm, not something strange to do with your keymap? I'm not sure, otherwise have you tried in your distribution's channel? |
| 05:02.54 | kakalto | NeoOokami: that's not hard. Get used to amarok, and you'll never leave kde ;-) |
| 05:03.07 | NeoOokami | That was one of the hooks actually.. |
| 05:03.09 | lurch | kakalto:: yeah, i have asked everywhere.. no one seems to know |
| 05:03.22 | NeoOokami | I'd been toying with it on and off for ages and normally got annoyed over little things. |
| 05:03.49 | NeoOokami | Tried dumping everything else off my system for a few days though, tweaked the settings around and I'm really, really pleased with how things are setup now. |
| 05:03.50 | lurch | kakalto:: is it possible to change my keymap on KDM but not CLI? |
| 05:04.19 | DCX | So..I guess..Amarok is a version of KDE |
| 05:04.27 | NeoOokami | Amarok's a music player for KDE. |
| 05:04.31 | DCX | :P |
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| 05:04.39 | DCX | ^_^hehe, my bad |
| 05:04.56 | NeoOokami | Think something similar to iTunes on steroids without the negative reproductive organ side effects.. |
| 05:05.01 | kakalto | lurch: I'm not sure, I don't remember ~ even though I use a different layout |
| 05:05.11 | DCX | YAY!!! I HAVE IT AMAROK!!! |
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| 05:05.35 | kakalto | lurch: so, it says wrong user/password ? |
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| 05:06.15 | mEck0 | hi! how can I change the settings for the panel (bottom) in kde4? |
| 05:06.58 | kakalto | mEck0: I'm not sure you can at this stage. It's not a proper panel by itself anymore, (as in kicker) -- it's a plasma thing. |
| 05:07.02 | lurch | kakalto:: the other day i had this problem, it said authentication failed.. i have reinstalled the complete OS, now it says login failed. |
| 05:07.33 | kakalto | lurch: first things first, you definately use the same capitalisiations in your user and password? |
| 05:07.36 | mEck0 | kakalto, ok, do you know how to change the desktop wallpaper? |
| 05:08.09 | DCX | Is is possible that you get that kind of error if the installation files are corrupted? |
| 05:08.43 | kakalto | mEck0: wow, as I was trying to find the answer to that, I found a bug in konqueror3 :P |
| 05:09.11 | kakalto | mEck0: I don't know, myself. Have you checked in systemsettings? |
| 05:09.24 | lurch | kakalto:: yes. as i mentioned, i can login via CLI but KDM is blocking me.. same user name same password with same capitalization |
| 05:09.33 | lurch | kakalto:: its just plain odd |
| 05:10.17 | kakalto | permissions or groups? |
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| 05:10.50 | DCX | is it possible that when you did setup your user name you had the caplock on? |
| 05:11.29 | DCX | That happend to me when I tried to log in for the first time:( |
| 05:11.35 | DCX | ^_^ |
| 05:11.46 | mEck0 | kakalto, yeah, nothing there |
| 05:11.49 | DCX | I mean..I don't know..but It happens:P |
| 05:12.04 | DCX | hehe |
| 05:12.29 | lurch | DCX no, caps lock was not on or if it was i would get error when trying to login to cli also.. dont believe thats the case here |
| 05:12.48 | DCX | hehe |
| 05:12.58 | DCX | That happened to me:( |
| 05:13.09 | kakalto | mEck0: I'd investigate myself, but I'm upgrading kde4 at the moment, so I can't really do it. |
| 05:13.11 | DCX | And I was like: NO!! Why me:( |
| 05:13.12 | DCX | hehe |
| 05:13.36 | DCX | But well, I hope it doesn't happen to me again :P |
| 05:13.49 | NeoOokami | I'm resiting the urge to toast my current install now trying out a KDE4 overlay. |
| 05:14.19 | DCX | Oh |
| 05:14.22 | mEck0 | kakalto, okay. it is some stuff that I can't find in KDE4. like as I mentioned settings for the panel, change desktop background, where are the workspaces :S |
| 05:14.41 | kakalto | NeoOokami: ;-D two words: Virtual Machine |
| 05:14.45 | DCX | Well, ..another question has just popped out of my....little brain:( |
| 05:15.08 | DCX | How do I know what version of KDE is the one I am using? :S |
| 05:15.09 | kakalto | DCX: you don't need to let us know you have a question, just ask it :-) |
| 05:15.17 | NeoOokami | That'll likely go MUCH better than the OpenSUSE live CD I tried. |
| 05:15.19 | DCX | hehe |
| 05:15.25 | NeoOokami | I think my video setup gave the poor thing a heart attack. |
| 05:15.26 | kakalto | DCX: go to any KDE program and go help--->about kde |
| 05:15.27 | DCX | Thanks^_^ |
| 05:15.35 | DCX | :O |
| 05:15.46 | lurch | ok, then is there a plain txt file someplace that would allow me to enable or disable users to login to GUI? i know there is one that exists for GDM/gnome but dunno where to look for kdm |
| 05:15.52 | NeoOokami | Oddball resolution monitor, and a fairly recent geforce. |
| 05:16.00 | kakalto | NeoOokami: the disadvantage of running it in a VM is that you can't test the fancy composite effects |
| 05:16.27 | NeoOokami | kakalto: That's probably for the best right now. FOr some reason compositing gives me hideous terring on video playback. :| |
| 05:16.39 | NeoOokami | So it'd just be teasing myself as I watch way too much video to tolerate that. |
| 05:17.20 | DCX | mmm...KDM, KDE, GDM, GNOME, ETC...are all those desktop environments? WOW!!! |
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| 05:17.43 | NeoOokami | KDM and GDM are actually the login managers for KDE and Gnome respectively. |
| 05:17.52 | DCX | Oh! |
| 05:18.02 | DCX | Thanks once again^_^ |
| 05:18.08 | NeoOokami | They provide a pretty GUI to log on and pick what desktop you're going to use. |
| 05:18.26 | DCX | :O |
| 05:18.41 | NeoOokami | Since you've got KDE on your system you're likely using KDM already. |
| 05:18.55 | DCX | Oh:O |
| 05:18.55 | NeoOokami | I think KDE's the default desktop too on Sabayon if I remember correctly. |
| 05:18.56 | kakalto | lurch: there may be, but there's no reason that your user should be excluded specifically from logging in.. |
| 05:19.21 | kakalto | lurch: have you tried creating a new user and log in as that user? |
| 05:19.24 | DCX | Well actually I do have KDM...but I have the optiion of using Gnome also:S |
| 05:19.47 | NeoOokami | They'll let you pick from any desktops you have installed on your system really. |
| 05:20.02 | DCX | I didn't mean KDM I meant KDE |
| 05:21.31 | lurch | kakalto:: no have not tried that *yet*.. that was next |
| 05:22.08 | lurch | NeoOokami:: i am running gnome with KDM.. |
| 05:22.15 | DCX | :O |
| 05:22.23 | kakalto | lurch: otherwise, do you see "video" when you type "groups"? |
| 05:22.41 | kakalto | I'm not certain that'd be a problem, but I guess anything's worth a try |
| 05:22.53 | lurch | kakalto:: no i see root |
| 05:23.11 | lurch | kakalto:: i take that back, i see username |
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| 05:23.55 | kakalto | lurch: from the terminal? |
| 05:24.02 | lurch | yup |
| 05:24.09 | kakalto | just username? |
| 05:24.26 | lurch | kakalto:: from terminal as user lurch i do, groups i get lurch as response |
| 05:24.33 | lurch | thats it |
| 05:24.37 | tamgo | stupid questions: in kde 4, how do I switch virtual desktops? How do I move plasma icons? |
| 05:24.54 | kakalto | only lurch? |
| 05:25.00 | kakalto | hmm. |
| 05:25.01 | lurch | kakalto:: yep |
| 05:25.08 | kakalto | lurch: what distro? |
| 05:25.17 | lurch | kakalto:: mandriva 2007.1 |
| 05:26.04 | DCX | Does "Distro" stands for "Distribution"? |
| 05:26.09 | NeoOokami | Bingo. |
| 05:26.10 | kakalto | I'm not sure how mandriva handles users and groups. when I type groups, I get "wheel audio cdrom video games usb users locate plugdev kakalto qemu vboxusers" (a lot of those are software-specific, but still) |
| 05:26.18 | tamgo | dcx, yes |
| 05:26.44 | DCX | ^_^Thanks :P |
| 05:27.09 | DCX | You all make me feel so smart ^_^. |
| 05:27.10 | lurch | kakalto:: i will add lurch to video group, what can it hurt right? |
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| 05:27.34 | DCX | Thanks Tamgo |
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| 05:27.52 | kakalto | lurch: right :-) |
| 05:28.00 | DCX | ^_^ |
| 05:28.13 | lurch | problem is i gotta reboot to get back to see who can login or not |
| 05:28.58 | kakalto | why? |
| 05:28.58 | lurch | bbs |
| 05:28.58 | lurch | why? because i am dumb and dunno how to make the stupid kdm screen appear |
| 05:29.27 | DCX | :( |
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| 05:29.32 | kakalto | lurch: CTRL+ALT+F{1 through 7} might be it. Otherwise, CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE will restart X |
| 05:29.47 | DCX | Oh! |
| 05:29.58 | DCX | Let's try that :) |
| 05:30.04 | DCX | Wait..no! |
| 05:30.05 | kakalto | DCX: careful ;-) |
| 05:30.10 | DCX | What is "X"? |
| 05:30.12 | lurch | if i ctrl+alt+backspace it kills X which is fine but in order for me to get kdm or x to start i gotta login as user at which point kdm needs not ask for a password again.. |
| 05:30.39 | kakalto | lurch: is it not on another vt? |
| 05:30.44 | lurch | DCM "X" is all the purdy bullshit you see right now.. the screen, the background the tool bars.. blah, blah, blah... |
| 05:30.51 | lurch | kakalto:: nope |
| 05:30.54 | DCX | :O |
| 05:30.59 | DCX | Oh, ok |
| 05:31.09 | DCX | The GUI |
| 05:31.13 | lurch | yeppers! |
| 05:31.19 | kakalto | lurch: I ought to try out mandriva one day, get a better idea of how the basic stuff works :-) |
| 05:31.21 | DCX | Oh!!!!:O |
| 05:31.41 | kakalto | DCX: yeah. X is like... the floor to your house. Then KDE or GNOME are like the walls and ceiling. :-) |
| 05:31.49 | DCX | Oh!! |
| 05:31.58 | DCX | So everything else stands on X |
| 05:32.03 | kakalto | yup =] |
| 05:32.06 | DCX | Oh! |
| 05:32.18 | lurch | kakalto:: yeah, i know that i wouldnt have these problems if i would just install KDE from the start and not something else.. but i need slim and not kde.. so i am kinda stuck with these lame issues |
| 05:32.48 | DCX | So restaring X is not restarting the whole system, just the ..X. :O |
| 05:32.58 | kakalto | lurch: ahh, I see. |
| 05:33.07 | lurch | DCX:: as kakalto says, kinda, in other words.. X is the foundation to all the purdy stuff |
| 05:33.15 | lurch | yeppers |
| 05:33.22 | DCX | I got it :) |
| 05:33.24 | lurch | ok, gonna reboot.. brb |
| 05:33.27 | DCX | Thank you |
| 05:33.42 | kakalto | DCX: yep. See, on windows, if the graphics crash, then you need to reboot. But on linux, if the graphics crash, you press CTRL+ALT+Backspace and only the graphics restart, which is much quicker |
| 05:33.55 | DCX | Oh!!!! |
| 05:33.57 | DCX | OHHH!!! |
| 05:34.10 | DCX | One more point for Linux! |
| 05:34.35 | DCX | ^_^ |
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| 05:35.26 | DCX | And so... Gentoo is better that Sabayon? |
| 05:35.54 | kakalto | DCX: there isn't really any "better" or "worse" linux really. They're all a bit different, they have their own +'s and -'s, their own quirks |
| 05:36.07 | DCX | :P |
| 05:36.10 | DCX | Yeah |
| 05:36.13 | kakalto | DCX: sabayon is easier for a new user than gentoo. |
| 05:36.21 | NeoOokami | Gentoo's better if you want fine control but it's substantially more hands on. |
| 05:36.47 | kakalto | that's me. fine control. I know EXACTLY what I want, and I demand just that ;-D |
| 05:36.49 | DCX | I was on a linux site and it says that every linux distro has it's own functions. |
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| 05:37.28 | NeoOokami | DCX: Most distros exist for some reason or another. At the very least providing their own approach to setting things up. |
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| 05:38.34 | DCX | WOW..so if I need like..something that will help me do something I look for the Linux distro that approaches to my needs the most? |
| 05:38.35 | kakalto | DCX: for example, different distros have a different way of installing programs. Gentoo and sabayon use "emerge". But Debian or ubuntu would use a different program, "apt-get" |
| 05:38.49 | DCX | :O |
| 05:39.02 | kakalto | DCX: depends how much time you want to spend finding the right linux distro :-) |
| 05:39.20 | kakalto | DCX: if there is nothing wrong with the one you are using, then the only reason to change is curiousity. |
| 05:40.03 | DCX | Sip |
| 05:40.05 | DCX | Yup |
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| 05:40.40 | kakalto | but be warned, curiousity can take a lot of time and also a lot of internet usage (if that is applicable in your country) |
| 05:41.14 | DCX | Well, I am still getting familiarized with Sabayon,..and it turns out to be better and better. |
| 05:41.21 | kakalto | =] |
| 05:42.05 | DCX | Internet usage? |
| 05:42.20 | rodge | downloading isos :) |
| 05:42.26 | rodge | and updates |
| 05:42.31 | DCX | :O |
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| 05:44.00 | DCX | Well, I have don't have any problems with internet usage limits. |
| 05:44.11 | kakalto | lucky :-) |
| 05:44.18 | kakalto | I do. |
| 05:44.19 | DCX | (oops, I hope I said it right:P) |
| 05:44.24 | DCX | :( |
| 05:44.44 | kakalto | sounds right. |
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| 05:45.22 | DCX | I think so, you did undestand |
| 05:45.24 | DCX | :) |
| 05:46.06 | DCX | Is it possible to switche languages on Linux? |
| 05:46.08 | DCX | I mean.. |
| 05:46.15 | DCX | Not the keyboard... |
| 05:46.29 | DCX | but everything |
| 05:46.41 | DCX | Mine is set in English.. |
| 05:46.44 | NeoOokami | You can change the locale and the language of your desktop. |
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| 05:46.57 | DCX | but I want to switch to either Portuguese or Spanish |
| 05:47.06 | NeoOokami | If you have them installed at least. |
| 05:47.17 | DCX | How do you cange the languge? |
| 05:47.35 | DCX | I don't know. Probably not |
| 05:47.36 | DCX | :( |
| 05:47.38 | NeoOokami | You can check in thr Control Center. |
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| 05:47.46 | NeoOokami | It's under Region and Accesibility. |
| 05:48.03 | DCX | ^_^ |
| 05:52.00 | DCX | YAY!!! |
| 05:52.00 | DCX | HOLA! |
| 05:52.08 | DCX | Thanks NeoOokami!!! |
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| 05:54.14 | DawnLight | me and my sister have the same model/firmware-version cd/dvd recorder and we both run debian etch but her k3b reckognizes less 'write modes' for the drive then mine does and she gets errors while burning. what could be the cause of this mayhem? |
| 05:54.48 | DawnLight | K3b 0.12.17 KDE 3.5.5 |
| 05:56.15 | rodge | DawnLight: hers is faulty? |
| 05:56.49 | DawnLight | rodge: i'm thinking more in the direction of the sata bus |
| 05:57.44 | rodge | DawnLight: that's unfortunate :S |
| 05:58.23 | rodge | DawnLight: tried exchanging the drives and see what's going on that way? |
| 05:58.38 | rodge | seeing* |
| 05:58.59 | crazy | DawnLight: probably HW issue or kernel issue with the HW ( eg : pata / sata vs ide ) or even an kernel bug |
| 05:59.33 | rodge | crazy: donno about the kernel bug if they're using the same version of debian |
| 05:59.55 | DawnLight | but not the same platform |
| 06:00.16 | rodge | mm |
| 06:00.37 | crazy | rodge: does not matter what distro :) does not matter is the same dvd recorder , it does matter how well 'the controller' the dvd is connected to works or not |
| 06:01.28 | rodge | crazy: ja, i was implying that same distro = same kernel. but i didn't think they were using different boards :) |
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| 06:01.58 | crazy | if you search LKML you will find a lot reports about broken burning on some HW |
| 06:02.50 | crazy | DawnLight: I think you should report the issue to debian first |
| 06:03.15 | DawnLight | right |
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| 06:05.51 | DawnLight | how does k3b determine the 'write modes'? |
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| 06:13.50 | crazy | I don't know that , sorry |
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| 06:15.05 | crazy | DawnLight: btw 0.12.17 is really old .. you could try some newer release and see whatever it has the same issue ( as example ) |
| 06:15.25 | DawnLight | that's debian |
| 06:16.53 | crazy | heh , right =) |
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| 07:09.28 | SAS_Spidey01 | just curious does any one know how to give the qt-gtk theme engine thing the ax without uninstalling it? |
| 07:15.14 | jalbert | it's telling me that xgl is not installed... |
| 07:16.49 | jalbert | should I install Xgl? |
| 07:20.02 | Aerdan | no, you should use AIGLX. |
| 07:20.56 | jalbert | I'm going to uninstall all this and start again |
| 07:21.08 | jalbert | this doesn't mke any sense |
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| 07:22.57 | _Admin | Люди подскажите аську под кде? |
| 07:23.28 | Aerdan | I don't think any of us here can speak Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, or related languages, sorry. |
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| 08:36.30 | kaktuspalme | in which package can i find kde4-config? |
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| 08:44.38 | mutlu_inek | kaktuspalme: do you mean systemsettings? it is is kdebase |
| 08:45.27 | mutlu_inek | oh, i found kde4-config, its is in kdelibs |
| 08:45.38 | kaktuspalme | mutlu_inek, hmm no, i wanted to install amarok 2.0 and cmake says that it cant find kde4-config |
| 08:45.48 | mutlu_inek | update kdelibs |
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| 08:46.02 | mutlu_inek | that should probably do the job |
| 08:46.04 | kaktuspalme | mutlu_inek, installed kdelibs yesterday |
| 08:46.11 | mutlu_inek | hmm |
| 08:46.17 | kaktuspalme | mutlu_inek, last night i merged whole kde4 |
| 08:46.25 | mutlu_inek | pacman -Qo /opt/kde4/bin/kde4-config |
| 08:46.26 | mutlu_inek | /opt/kde4/bin/kde4-config is owned by kdelibs4 1-10 |
| 08:46.51 | mutlu_inek | it is surely in kdelibs |
| 08:47.06 | mutlu_inek | compiled today, though |
| 08:48.30 | kaktuspalme | ok, hmm |
| 08:48.41 | kaktuspalme | hmm ok |
| 08:48.46 | kaktuspalme | i found it in /usr/kde/svn/bin |
| 08:48.59 | kaktuspalme | but why cmake don't find it? |
| 08:49.12 | Aerdan | Because your PATH isn't set correctly. |
| 08:49.13 | mutlu_inek | maybe it is not in your $PATH? |
| 08:49.30 | kaktuspalme | yes you got right |
| 08:49.31 | Aerdan | export PATH="$PATH:/usr/kde/svn/bin" |
| 08:49.39 | Aerdan | ((assuming bash.)) |
| 08:49.51 | kaktuspalme | ok thx for help |
| 08:50.35 | kaktuspalme | ok, it works now |
| 08:50.41 | kaktuspalme | i'm waiting for next errors :) |
| 08:51.15 | kaktuspalme | dolphin is wonderful :), very nice features |
| 08:53.26 | kaktuspalme | isn't kaffeine in kde4? |
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| 08:55.39 | Aerdan | it's in kdemultimedia. |
| 08:55.44 | kaktuspalme | hmm ok |
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| 09:13.03 | kaktuspalme | Aerdan, whats you $KDEDIR? |
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| 09:17.18 | mutlu_inek | kaktuspalme: i am not Aerdan, but i can tell you mine: /opt/kde4/; according to what you wrote above, yours should probably be /usr/kde/svn/ |
| 09:17.29 | kaktuspalme | mutlu_inek, ok thx |
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| 09:24.43 | mutlu_inek | why not? :D |
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| 10:10.59 | malv | will kde 4 change much in the next two weeks in terms relative to the current rc1? |
| 10:12.11 | Bille | malv: it already has |
| 10:12.31 | malv | I am using suse and it still seems rough around the edges |
| 10:12.37 | malv | perhaps suse is using an older version |
| 10:12.48 | Bille | malv: which version exactly do you have? |
| 10:12.52 | Bille | 3.96.0? |
| 10:13.06 | malv | not too sure, whatever the latest build is from suse |
| 10:13.12 | Bille | help->about |
| 10:13.22 | malv | not currently using 4.0 rc1 |
| 10:13.40 | Bille | "rpm -q kdelibs4" |
| 10:13.51 | malv | 3.96.2-4.2 |
| 10:13.58 | Bille | ok, that is the latest |
| 10:14.14 | Bille | that is SVN from tuesday |
| 10:14.28 | Bille | so yeah it is still rough around the edges, but we're working to polish it. |
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| 10:14.48 | malv | Ok. =) |
| 10:14.59 | malv | 2 weeks seems like a short time |
| 10:15.10 | malv | But maybe that's just cause I am a lazy coder =) |
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| 10:15.37 | Bille | that has been discussed several times on planetkde.org, and on the opensuse mailing list |
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| 10:16.54 | kakalto | <3 smplayer :D |
| 10:18.13 | malv | smplayer is nice, but it needs a better interface |
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| 10:18.42 | kakalto | I just found the speed function ;-] |
| 10:19.08 | kakalto | you can go down to 0.18x or up to 4.45x |
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| 10:20.17 | kakalto | it doesn't have a proper kde menubar though. |
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| 11:39.49 | javi | aupa |
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| 11:59.18 | FiNeX | hi! |
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| 12:01.47 | takoSch | For quite some time now I've been unable to build KDE4 using kdesvn-build |
| 12:01.56 | takoSch | It always fails in kdelibs |
| 12:02.08 | takoSch | makekdewidgets: symbol lookup error: makekdewidgets: undefined symbol: _ZNK12KConfigGroup9readEntryEPKcRK7QString |
| 12:02.15 | takoSch | Any ideas? |
| 12:02.35 | tuxick | ye,fix your irc client please |
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| 12:02.59 | annma | tuxick: that's when running make?? |
| 12:03.34 | takoSch | annma: was that meant for me maybe? |
| 12:03.53 | annma | takoSch: yes, sorry |
| 12:04.17 | takoSch | tuxick: sorry about the spam, I was trying to register my nick, but I hadn't seen that it also flooded the channels with renames messages |
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| 12:05.21 | takoSch | annma: yes this is when running make (well, I just run the build script of course, but it is in the make-part of the build process) |
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| 12:05.40 | takoSch | [ 80%] Generating kdewidgets.cpp |
| 12:06.17 | annma | paste the last compiling line and the error in the pastebin please |
| 12:06.22 | takoSch | I can pastebin the entire build log if you want |
| 12:06.26 | takoSch | exactly ;) |
| 12:06.29 | annma | not the entire one |
| 12:06.32 | takoSch | ok |
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| 12:07.43 | takoSch | annma: http://rafb.net/p/RgS9mP99.html |
| 12:08.01 | takoSch | hope that is enough |
| 12:08.16 | annma | no |
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| 12:08.29 | takoSch | ok, more from the top I guess? |
| 12:08.30 | annma | I'd like to see what it takes |
| 12:08.33 | annma | yes |
| 12:09.19 | takoSch | but maybe the build script is stripping things from it? |
| 12:10.34 | Jucato | :( |
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| 12:11.09 | annma | takoSch: make clean in /kdelibs/kdecore/jobs/ |
| 12:11.15 | annma | then make VERBOSE=1 |
| 12:11.20 | annma | then paste it all |
| 12:11.25 | annma | hey Jucato |
| 12:13.36 | Sho_ | annma: How's the Edu meeting? :) |
| 12:13.56 | Jucato | I can see annma in the pictures! :) |
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| 12:15.40 | annma | Sho_: so far, a success! |
| 12:15.55 | annma | Mandriva people were very helpful and welcoming |
| 12:16.09 | Sho_ | nice |
| 12:16.12 | annma | I have my aKademy T-Shirt |
| 12:16.18 | annma | we are 14 people |
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| 12:17.27 | Chani | I think kde4 i extremely close to being usable enough for me. all I seem to be missing is sound |
| 12:18.11 | picca | kde4 seems a bit slow on my laptop compared to 3.5.8 - not sure what is the cause but seems choppy |
| 12:20.09 | Chani | I don't think anyone's focsed on optimisation right now |
| 12:20.25 | Chani | make it work, make it work well, make it work fast |
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| 12:22.08 | Chani | let's see... what kde3 apps do I need? kontact, knetworkmanager, ...that's really about all I'm using |
| 12:22.37 | Chani | oh, I suppose I might need kde3's konq for websites that trrip up kde4 |
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| 12:23.16 | Chani | now my only issue is that I set up kde4 under a separate user |
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| 12:24.06 | Chani | maybe if I log into my real user from here, and run kde3 apps from there - then they'd be using the data frm there |
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| 12:24.15 | Chani | most of the important data belongs to kontact |
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| 12:24.33 | Chani | but that way they'd show up on this desktop |
| 12:24.47 | takoSch | annma: I'm trying to do what you said but using the kdesvn-build script it seems to do a lot of setup for you because I can't get things to compile without it. Lots of deps it can't find |
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| 12:25.16 | Chani | ...except they might be unhappy about not having kde3 servicey things running. and I don't know if that would break scim |
| 12:26.03 | takoSch | no way to do "make clean" for example (make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop.) |
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| 12:26.21 | takoSch | so I thought I'd start with a cmake at kdelibs but that won't find some deps |
| 12:26.39 | annma | are you in the build dir? |
| 12:26.45 | takoSch | while just running the kdesvn build script works fine |
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| 12:27.47 | takoSch | aha, I see |
| 12:27.55 | Chani | hmm. the second thing keeping me from using kde4 as my real desktop is that recompiling all hte time puts me at risk for breaking everything horribly. |
| 12:28.06 | annma | the problem with scripts is that when they don't work you are lost |
| 12:28.11 | Chani | I need a way to fallback to kde3 without too much hassle. |
| 12:28.21 | annma | Chani: I use KDE 4 for months |
| 12:28.31 | Chani | annma: cool :) |
| 12:28.47 | annma | maybe apart for developing I don't really use my laptop though |
| 12:28.47 | takoSch | now I'm in build/kdelibs/kdecore but no jobs here |
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| 12:29.57 | takoSch | ok but make is running now in kdelibs |
| 12:30.07 | Chani | let's see... if I theoretically messed up my computer at a time when I had lots of homework and couldn't fix it, what would be the biggest frustration? probably lack of irc and mail. lack of blogs would be annoying but they're not actually *important* |
| 12:30.34 | Chani | currently I don't need to log into school websites, thank goodness |
| 12:32.19 | Chani | irc is easy, all I need is working internet and a terminal. mail requires either kmail or firefox... but knetworkmanager is important, buggy as it is, because it saves me from having to know wireless stuff. |
| 12:32.34 | Chani | and my kwallet is very important, because I never remember that stuff. |
| 12:35.21 | takoSch | annma: running make manualy compiles perfectly *sigh* |
| 12:36.19 | annma | ah ah |
| 12:36.27 | annma | ditch the script! |
| 12:37.02 | Rasi | Chani: with mutt you have email in a terminal... |
| 12:38.01 | takoSch | yeah but I'm just trying to follow the latest KDE4 versions and want something I can run in the mornings before going to work so I can play around in the evenings |
| 12:38.13 | takoSch | not easy if you have to do everything manually :) |
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| 12:39.29 | Chani | Rasi: yeah, but I prefer kmail. |
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| 12:39.54 | Chani | takoSch: make your own script :) that's what I did |
| 12:40.30 | takoSch | yeah, I had one but the kdesvn build script is so much better |
| 12:40.37 | takoSch | if it works that is hehehe |
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| 12:54.02 | litb | anyway some kde svn scripts have subtle bugs... |
| 12:54.24 | litb | for example, that cd function doesn't work for directory names with spaces in them |
| 12:54.50 | litb | it took me half an hour to figure out why i couldn't enter some of my torrent folders.... |
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| 12:55.45 | Sho_ | litb: It's a conspiracy between KDE and the content industry! |
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| 12:58.21 | thiago_home | what cd function? |
| 12:58.37 | TimS | I am using the Media Screensaver, is it possible to mute the screensaver? |
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| 13:02.08 | takoSch | litb: I'm not using those because like you noticed I didn't like the way they mess with your environment |
| 13:02.54 | takoSch | litb: I'm using the kdesvn-build script from http://kdesvn-build.kde.org/ |
| 13:02.56 | Sho_ | thiago_home: probably dfaure's 'cd' overload for zsh that auto-exports the environment depending on the dir |
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| 13:03.18 | thiago_home | but mine are space-safe :-) |
| 13:03.36 | joescala | hi all |
| 13:03.46 | joescala | ici on parle francais? |
| 13:03.59 | joescala | ? |
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| 13:04.27 | takoSch | thiago_home: was that in reference to my kdesvn-build comment? |
| 13:04.46 | joescala | ici on parle francais? |
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| 13:05.06 | SSJ_GZ | joescala: non - anglais soulement |
| 13:05.12 | joescala | ok |
| 13:05.13 | Jucato | !fr | joescala |
| 13:05.18 | Jucato | erlol |
| 13:05.21 | Jucato | sorry darn! |
| 13:05.30 | SSJ_GZ | Hehe :) |
| 13:05.53 | joescala | msn for kde what is name? |
| 13:06.07 | Nielsen | kopete |
| 13:06.17 | joescala | thansk |
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| 13:09.27 | takoSch | thiago_home: wel I see your name in the contrib list for kdesvn-build so I guess it was ;) |
| 13:09.50 | thiago_home | takoSch: almost nobody uses spaces on Unix |
| 13:09.57 | thiago_home | especially not for code and programs |
| 13:10.13 | takoSch | thing is that the kdesvn-build script is autonomous, no need to change anything in your environment, much cleaner that way, that's why I like it |
| 13:10.23 | takoSch | *nod* |
| 13:11.47 | takoSch | thiago_home: but do you have any idea maybe why running the kdesvn-build script can result in a compile error while running make from within the kdesvn-build generated build dir compiles perfectly??? |
| 13:11.57 | thiago_home | no |
| 13:12.02 | takoSch | hehe ok |
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| 13:12.12 | takoSch | I'm now doing a clean build to see if that works |
| 13:12.20 | thiago_home | that depends on the error, obviously |
| 13:12.30 | thiago_home | and since you didn't say what the error was, I can't help |
| 13:12.43 | takoSch | true, hehe, I talked with annme before about it |
| 13:13.05 | takoSch | you can still see it here: http://rafb.net/p/RgS9mP99.html |
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| 13:13.30 | thiago_home | please set LC_ALL=C before showing anybody compiler errors |
| 13:13.47 | takoSch | ok, what does that do? |
| 13:13.50 | thiago_home | kdesvn-build probably sets or unsets LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 13:14.43 | thiago_home | which means a different libkdecore library gets loaded when you run with kdesvn-build from when you ran make isolated |
| 13:14.54 | thiago_home | one of them is much older than the other |
| 13:15.10 | takoSch | ah no, I meant what deos "LC_ALL=C" do? |
| 13:15.20 | thiago_home | it sets your language to pure English ASCII |
| 13:17.05 | thiago_home | rafb.net isn't UTF-8 clean |
| 13:17.34 | davi | A flexible 'Pager' is key for KDE 4.0 |
| 13:18.00 | davi | No limit to rows or columns |
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| 13:18.43 | thiago_home | keyboard is much faster |
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| 13:19.02 | davi | no when you have 60 desktops |
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| 13:19.11 | takoSch | *gasp* |
| 13:19.11 | davi | mouse is quicker |
| 13:19.36 | davi | 60 = 4 rows x 15 columns |
| 13:20.01 | feindbild | *rotfl* |
| 13:20.07 | davi | Due to lack of CRT monitor, I need more virtual desktop |
| 13:20.39 | davi | Monitoring the ISP and at the same time managing the email, firefox, developing PHP, etc. You know |
| 13:21.13 | davi | I do not like the hard limit on 4 rows of KDE 3.5 |
| 13:21.27 | davi | KDE 4.0 should fix such 'bug' |
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| 13:24.18 | litb | something i never understood: |
| 13:24.41 | litb | .. i will not ask here |
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| 13:26.47 | DawnLight | any idea what might be turning my x server's keyboard autorepeat off? it gets turnd off after i tell kde to turn it on. not immediately. it is probably after i do a certain something. but i didn't get it so far |
| 13:27.05 | FreshPrince | mornin' |
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| 13:44.38 | ruxpin | is it possible to run parts of kde4 under windows? |
| 13:45.14 | ruxpin | is it possible to write a new KDE app that would run smoothly in windows? |
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| 13:46.36 | Jucato | yes (some ported parts) and maybe. #kde-windows developers would probably know better |
| 13:48.18 | Nielsen | i know you can get qt for windows, so i don't see why you shouldn't be able to get kde on there as well |
| 13:49.03 | Nielsen | perhaps with some help from cygwin |
| 13:49.07 | Jucato | Nielsen: because KDE apps aren't just plain Qt apps. There are a lot of stuff that have been added that might be possible to do on *nix only |
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| 13:49.24 | BadRobot | hi there, |
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| 13:49.52 | Nielsen | Jucato: oh yes, i agree, what i mean is it might be possible |
| 13:50.24 | Jucato | it is possible, but with a bit of work |
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| 14:02.56 | HombreMagique | hi all |
| 14:03.30 | HombreMagique | when i try to switch from US to IT keyboard layout kde tells me "err" |
| 14:03.56 | HombreMagique | which package do i need to install to have the italian keyboard map? |
| 14:04.05 | Gentle | 99% probability of distribution problem |
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| 14:05.23 | HombreMagique | Gentle: i thought that, but i like to know the package just because i can recompile it and see if somenthing goes better... |
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| 14:06.44 | Gentle | if you're compiling your system yourself, you probably updated xorg-server without rebuilding all the modules, like, among others, the keyboard and keyboard layout module |
| 14:07.34 | HombreMagique | Gentle: only US language keyboard layout works |
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| 14:09.57 | aleksanteri | is it the 13th or 15th when KDE4 comes out? |
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| 14:12.13 | SSJ_GZ | aleksanteri: Supposed to be the 11th Dec. Some devs want it moved back to January, though. |
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| 14:13.48 | aleksanteri | right |
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| 14:24.23 | jlaw | Hi. I managed to install the kde 4 beta 3 on my ubuntu 7.10. But it's the incarnation of instability and bugginess. Simply unusable, crashing and stalling all the time. I wonder if i've setup something wrong or if this release really is _that_ unstable!? |
| 14:25.18 | jlaw | If it is, I will not spend anymore time on it and wait for a more stable release |
| 14:26.16 | Sho_ | jlaw: Note that beta3 has already been superceded by RC1, which is less rough |
| 14:27.37 | jlaw | Sho_: ok ... i just took what i got from the repositories. Is rc1 worth a try in your opinion? |
| 14:28.50 | Sho_ | jlaw: Well - it still has some rough edges (many of which are already gone since in the development version), but it's definitely more usable than beta3 |
| 14:28.51 | SSJ_GZ | jlaw: Even rc1 is kind of out of date, imo. |
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| 14:29.31 | Sho_ | jlaw: As it stands there will be an RC2 in early December, which should be in pretty good shape |
| 14:29.58 | aryr100 | unable to reboot or shutdown 3.5.7 can anyone help ? |
| 14:30.11 | Jucato | you'll just have to pray to the kubuntu $DEITIES that they will be able to package rc2 in time :) |
| 14:30.11 | Caster | press the reset button |
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| 14:30.21 | Jucato | Caster: not nice |
| 14:30.38 | Jucato | aryr100: you have to be more specific |
| 14:30.40 | Sho_ | Jucato: In time for ..? |
| 14:30.50 | Jucato | Sho_: in time for rc2 :) |
| 14:31.17 | Jucato | Sho_: kubuntu skipped beta4 because of build problems. by the time the build system problems were fixed, rc1 was out. so.... |
| 14:31.22 | aryr100 | using restart or shutdown from menu just freezes |
| 14:31.44 | aryr100 | using ctrl+alt+del nothing |
| 14:32.09 | aryr100 | even shutdown -h via terminal nothing ? |
| 14:32.14 | Caster | how bout ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 14:32.21 | Sho_ | Jucato: Right, there was a beta 4 even ... so jlaw's beta3 is pretty old indeed |
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| 14:32.31 | Jucato | Sho_: *very* |
| 14:32.40 | jlaw | Sho_: ok, i think i'll wait for that. as far as i've seen kde4 is too much eye candy and less scalability for me anyway. thanx for the information |
| 14:32.44 | aryr100 | just screen goes black then freezes |
| 14:32.46 | Jucato | we have rc1 |
| 14:33.05 | Sho_ | jlaw: You probably shouldn't make judgements like that based on beta3, tho' |
| 14:33.34 | jlaw | Sho_: that's why i'll have a look at rc2 ;) |
| 14:33.34 | Sho_ | jlaw: Particularly if you're talking about performance when saying "scalability" - there have been significant improvements e.g. in the desktop's performance since |
| 14:34.09 | Jucato | although there was probably a time when any GUI was considered useless eye candy in Linux too :) |
| 14:34.43 | aleksanteri | is that why I keep getting into flame wars against irssI fanatics? |
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| 14:36.14 | jlaw | Sho_: i don't mean performance; more the configurability of the taskbar and (don't know if i made something wrong or it gets corrected) the lacking downward compatibility for deco styles |
| 14:36.27 | Jucato | jlaw: especially that |
| 14:36.37 | Jucato | *a lot* has changed since beta3... |
| 14:36.49 | Jucato | and Plasma (which handles the panel) is still improving |
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| 14:38.23 | jlaw | Sho_, Jucato: you encouraged me in having a look at rc2. but right now, regarding the problems i encountered setting up beta3 it's not worth it to repeat it with rc1 ;) |
| 14:38.31 | Sho_ | jlaw: Configurability of the panels will probably not achieve feature parity with Kicker in KDE 4.0, but you should differenciate between KDE 4.0 and KDE 4 - 4.0 is the first release in a series |
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| 14:38.57 | Jucato | jlaw: then use a Live CD if you want :) |
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| 14:39.53 | Sho_ | jlaw: The Kicker codebase is almost eight years old now, and about six of those were spent on actively developing features on it - the panel implementation in KDE 4 is written largely from scratch (for good reasons, mind you), and it's not really realistic to catch up to Kicker in a few month. It'll get there over time, though. |
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| 14:42.55 | jlaw | Sho_: you're right. As it is possible to install kde 3 and 4 side by side i'll have a look at kde 4's improvements and keep working with 3.58. time will show when i permanently move to kde 4 |
| 14:44.18 | Sho_ | jlaw: In any case, the important point to take home is that any present lack of configurability is not inherently by design or symptomatic of KDE 4 - there are no plans to cut down on that, i.e. it'll come back (and given the more flexible design of the framework be even more configurable, actually) |
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| 14:48.25 | FiNeX | re |
| 14:49.44 | jlaw | Sho_: i have no doubts about that and hope so. right now i'm shocked that i found no way to close this widget tool. that's like a ringtone subscription was coming right with your mobile phone |
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| 14:51.16 | Sho_ | jlaw: http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/KDE-Four-Live.i686-0.7.1.iso is a Live-CD with a post-RC1 SVN snapshot from November 29th, btw |
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| 14:53.27 | jlaw | Sho_: thanx i'll have a look at it, hopefully take back everything said and confess to kde 4 ;) |
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| 14:56.16 | Roey | hello... for some reason KDE doesn't respect my logitech mx1000 mouse's scrollwheel... it maps it to the side-scroll buttons. Fluxbox is /fine/, just KDE messes this up |
| 14:56.24 | Roey | what could be wrong here? |
| 14:58.05 | Sho_ | my MX1000 works fine |
| 14:59.17 | BadRobot | hi there |
| 14:59.33 | BadRobot | when is KDE4 finla will be released'? |
| 14:59.37 | BadRobot | final |
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| 15:00.47 | FiNeX | BadRobot: when it will be ready... i hope :-) |
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| 15:04.51 | henshaw | I'm trying to persuade akregator to launch links in firefox - it's set to use kde defaults for http(s), and kde is set to open .html in firefox. so I can't work out why external links from akregator still go to konqueror |
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| 15:06.32 | Jucato | henshaw: have you set the default browser in KControl -> KDE Components -> Component Chooser -> Web Browser? and Akregator can use its own settings in Settings -> Configure Akregator -> Browser |
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| 15:07.18 | Sho_ | Jucato: Going by his statement he has set Web Browser to "based on the contents of the URL" and associated Firefox with text/html |
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| 15:08.07 | Jucato | Sho_: yeah... I think he went through File Assocations... does that work or is recommended? |
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| 15:08.47 | Sho_ | Jucato: It's supposed to work, although most users don't like it since it will usually open a KIO progress dialog first (to fetch the file, check the MIME type, see it's indeed text/html and hand it off to the associated app) |
| 15:08.58 | henshaw | it works fine with konversation |
| 15:09.17 | Sho_ | yay for Konversation ;) |
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| 15:09.29 | Jucato | :) |
| 15:09.48 | henshaw | maybe akregator doesn't pass the mime type? i dunno. |
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| 15:12.09 | vlt | !autostart |
| 15:13.18 | Sho_ | vlt: Go -> Autostart in Konqueror's menu bar, then right-click into the folder -> New -> Link to Application |
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| 15:16.23 | DawnLight | any idea what might be turning my x server's keyboard autorepeat off? it gets turnd off after i tell kde to turn it on. not immediately. it is probably after i do a certain something. but i didn't get it so far |
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| 15:24.06 | PhilRod | DawnLight: some kind of accessibility feature, probably - take a look in control center -> regional & a11y -> a11y |
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| 15:27.31 | shevy | hmm the old dcop commands from kde3 wont work in kde4? |
| 15:27.55 | MinceR | afaik kde4 uses dbus so this is possible |
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| 15:28.30 | shevy | yes but i.e. would "dcop kmix Mixer0 increaseVolume 1" work 1:1 :) |
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| 15:28.45 | Sho_ | shevy: no |
| 15:28.48 | shevy | ok |
| 15:29.47 | henshaw | so it should work? I've given in and told akregator to use firefox directly, but I might try and see what was going wrong if it's not some obvious user error. |
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| 15:31.34 | takoSch | damn, started with a clean build (using kdesvn-build) and now not even QT compiles *sigh* |
| 15:31.45 | takoSch | (well, actually, it doesn't link) |
| 15:31.54 | Sho_ | (Qt, btw *nitpick*) |
| 15:31.58 | takoSch | :) |
| 15:32.28 | takoSch | just don't eat it plz |
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| 15:38.04 | Karate | indentify reppuken |
| 15:38.07 | Karate | Hehe |
| 15:38.09 | Karate | Uh |
| 15:38.11 | Karate | ... |
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| 15:38.24 | Karate | ... |
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| 15:42.34 | maki | anyone hase expirience wich tilling wm works best with KDE ? |
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| 15:47.05 | jonkristian | Can i import mail from claws into kmail and keep folder structure? |
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| 15:48.49 | JAO-Home | Anybody out there got a way to make a menu bar similar to the PS3's Cross Media bar? |
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| 15:49.40 | maki | JAO-Home isn't the PS3's cross media bar full screen menu ? |
| 15:49.54 | JAO-Home | Not really |
| 15:49.56 | maki | something like media center or an in game menu? |
| 15:50.00 | JAO-Home | Hold on, I'll show you a screenshot |
| 15:50.04 | maki | ok |
| 15:50.49 | JAO-Home | http://blog.playstation-center.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/ps3-2.jpg |
| 15:50.59 | JAO-Home | Its almost similar to the Windows Media Center style |
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| 15:52.59 | maki_ | JAO-Home: this could be done with plasma for KDE4 |
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| 15:53.16 | JAO-Home | Yes! :) |
| 15:53.37 | maki_ | yeah, i also want something like that |
| 15:53.40 | JAO-Home | Is KDE4 still in RC |
| 15:53.42 | maki_ | menu on desktop |
| 15:53.46 | maki_ | YES |
| 15:53.51 | maki_ | *yes |
| 15:53.57 | JAO-Home | Well I want that menu to be my desktop, simplistic but have everything there. |
| 15:54.39 | maki_ | just wait for KDE4 |
| 15:55.08 | maki_ | plasma would make the desktop cooler than ever |
| 15:55.08 | Mirrakor | When I try to execute a very small application (based on a simple KDE application) in KDevelop, I see this message in the log and now menu appears on the applications window :"adventskalender: WARNING: KXMLGUIClient::setXMLFile: cannot find .rc file adventskalenderui.rc" |
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| 15:55.35 | chx | is there an svn kio slave? i heard of svn:// but http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/kioslave/ does not list it. |
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| 15:58.15 | maki_ | as i think now, linux on PS3 with plasma would be wery nice, even better than the default UI |
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| 15:58.34 | JAO-Home | Well not so much for the PS3 |
| 15:58.41 | JAO-Home | I just like the XrossMediaBar design |
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| 15:59.20 | Rasi | anyone using mpd here? |
| 15:59.31 | Rasi | it seems there is not one good kde client for it |
| 15:59.43 | maki_ | JAO-Home: plasma would make KDE more usable on computer's with limited screen size & little input support |
| 15:59.52 | maki_ | Rasi qmpdclient ? |
| 16:00.03 | maki_ | not realy kde, but ... |
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| 16:00.25 | Rasi | i hate fixed search fields :) |
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| 16:00.41 | Rasi | a search should only have one line where you actualy TYPE |
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| 16:00.51 | maki_ | i would like to use amarok with mpd .... |
| 16:00.57 | Rasi | and qmpdclient is quite slow |
| 16:01.05 | JAO-Home | Well I'm just looking for a cool desktop design |
| 16:01.08 | JAO-Home | That's also functional |
| 16:01.22 | expose | how can i read the content of khelpcenter with konqi? |
| 16:01.23 | Rasi | there is inkmusic, which is really nice |
| 16:01.28 | Rasi | but it depends on gambas2 |
| 16:01.29 | expose | help:/ doesnt work (index.htm not found) |
| 16:01.30 | Rasi | which is 60mb |
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| 16:02.00 | Rasi | jlaw: people were not convinced about 3.0 |
| 16:02.06 | Rasi | and they had all right not to be :P |
| 16:02.11 | Rasi | give it time |
| 16:02.12 | jlaw | Rasi I was <( |
| 16:02.18 | NeoOokami | KDE4 looks insanely pretty. My only appregension is that I've got KDE3 running so nicely now. |
| 16:02.18 | Rasi | hah |
| 16:02.24 | Sho_ | Rasi: Tried to explain the 4.0 != 4 thing already, earlier |
| 16:02.53 | Rasi | its the same everywhere |
| 16:02.59 | Rasi | windows XP was not ready either |
| 16:02.59 | Sho_ | And KDE 4 is actually more like KDE 2.0 than it is like 3.0 |
| 16:03.11 | Rasi | it took at least to SP1 to make it complete |
| 16:03.16 | jlaw | Sho_ yeah yeah ... you did -.- |
| 16:03.48 | Rasi | nevertheless.. ppl should use kde4.. its the only way for them to suggest what to make better |
| 16:03.51 | Sho_ | KDE 2.0 was the time when KDE introduced all of those new frameworks and technologies - KIO, KParts, DCOP, XMLGUI - that all KDEs from 2.0 until 3.5 have worked on putting to increasingly good use |
| 16:04.00 | Sho_ | 4.0 is the first release since 2.0 that introduces many new technologies again |
| 16:04.09 | Sho_ | And like with 2.0, it will take some time to put them to good use |
| 16:04.45 | Rasi | i am really looking for things to come... |
| 16:04.55 | maki_ | i dont know why a lot of people troll about the look of KDE4 ? |
| 16:05.01 | Rasi | once people start developing stuff for kde4 it will start to rock |
| 16:05.10 | Rasi | maki_: tastes differ |
| 16:05.17 | NeoOokami | The look? I haven't seen an ugly screenshot. |
| 16:05.35 | maki_ | Rasi well i dislike the default look on KDE3 |
| 16:05.39 | Rasi | in fact my kde3 looked more or less like kde4 before i have seen screenshots :P |
| 16:05.45 | Sho_ | not just frameworks, either - KDE 2.0 was also the last release where we introduced a new panel (Kicker) and a new file manager (Konqueror), both of which are things that happen in 4.0, too |
| 16:05.52 | benJIman | The buttons and other widgets are a lot less nicely aligned than in kde3, with all widget styles. |
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| 16:06.01 | Sho_ | I.e. the similarities between 2.0 and 4.0 in terms of bringing really new stuff and being disruptive are quite striking |
| 16:06.15 | Rasi | Sho_: and the best thing is: with plasma everyone is free to develop another panel :P |
| 16:06.33 | maki_ | i dont use it because of the looks, but because of the integration of apps, features and coolnes |
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| 16:06.58 | maki_ | KDE is the most integrated UI ever |
| 16:07.03 | jlaw | i am really curious about what is coming. right now i'm just seeing alot of miscarried eyecandy and no real improvement. most likely time will show something else |
| 16:07.16 | Rasi | yea... i love small WM's like openbox and such.. but the integration of the tools always makes me come back to kde |
| 16:07.31 | Rasi | jlaw: thats exactly the point |
| 16:07.38 | jonkristian | Anyone, can the folder structure in claws-mail be converted to kmail? Just import, should i chose local folders or something=? |
| 16:07.47 | Rasi | but for that to happen people HAVE to actually use it |
| 16:07.53 | Rasi | and not abandon it from the start |
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| 16:08.19 | jlaw | Rasi, i leave that using part to you :D |
| 16:08.21 | maki_ | jlaw there is a lot of improvements, plasma, qt4, phonon, solid, nepomuk, ......... |
| 16:08.24 | Sho_ | jlaw: Don't forget the apps ... Okular, Kate, Dolphin, KRDC, Gwenview and many more are all significantly improved vs. their KDE 3 counterparts |
| 16:08.48 | maki_ | krita and the mixing of colors |
| 16:09.00 | Rasi | yea.. i am so looking forward using krdc gwenview and dolphin |
| 16:09.01 | Sho_ | KOffice 2.0 will rock, too, yeah |
| 16:09.08 | Rasi | the improvements are massive |
| 16:09.25 | Sho_ | KSysGuard in 4 is also really great now |
| 16:09.46 | Rasi | i hope the archlinux guys are fast with packaging kde4 :P |
| 16:09.56 | Narishma | don't forget all the regressions too :p |
| 16:10.10 | maki_ | Rasi there is a repo now for kde4 |
| 16:10.14 | maki_ | by tardo |
| 16:10.22 | Narishma | as should be expected of a .0 release of a major upgrade |
| 16:10.22 | Rasi | its not up2date, is it? |
| 16:10.28 | Rasi | the thread still says beta2 |
| 16:10.33 | maki_ | yeah |
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| 16:13.30 | jlaw | Sho_ unfortunately i make no use of Dolphin (> Krusader), Okular (i use the supposed programs), krdc (> nx) or gwenview ... the important part for me is the basic shell and it's administrative tools. and that, right now, looks like a mere shadow of what kde 3 offers |
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| 16:14.00 | Sho_ | jlaw: What are "the supposed programs"? |
| 16:14.01 | chx | hi. i found hte svn+https:// in kdesdk-kio-plugins , great |
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| 16:16.17 | chx | however when i try to save in KATE I get an error that writing to kio_svn is not uspported. however the package installed icons that suggest otherwise and /usr/bin/kio_svn_helper also has a commit option... |
| 16:16.17 | jlaw | Sho_: for office documents i use the proper office tools, for pdf the adobe reader, etc ... the programs once supposed to be used with a certain format or in my opinion most proper for it. this general purpose viewers are something we call "eierlegende wollmilchsau" in germany |
| 16:16.27 | chx | so, how can i commit...? |
| 16:16.48 | Sho_ | jlaw: Do you also use Tim Berners-Lee's proto web browser to browse the web and the JPEG reference implementation to view images? ;) |
| 16:17.19 | jlaw | Sho_ that's the "most proper for it"-part of my statement ;) |
| 16:18.09 | Sho_ | jlaw: As for KRDC, we've actually written an open NX client library, i.e. NX support is on the way |
| 16:19.13 | Jucato | hm. NX.... |
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| 16:20.58 | jlaw | Sho_: you see, that's really reinventing the wheel in my opinion, as nx is already freely available and works pretty fine. unless krdc offers some major advantages it's pretty senseless in my opinion. and with major advantages i mean bigger advantages than those of ogg vs mp3 |
| 16:21.16 | Sho_ | jlaw: Actually, you're incorrect - the NX client is not free software |
| 16:21.26 | litb | hm, will kwin4 be able to skew windows like metisse can do? |
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| 16:21.51 | Sho_ | litb: There's nothing stopping it from doing it, except for the fact that it'd be useless because X doesn't have support for input transformations yet |
| 16:22.03 | litb | hm :/ |
| 16:22.26 | litb | i thought inpt transformation would be the job of the wm too |
| 16:22.32 | jlaw | Sho_: not the whole bunch of nx apps, but there is a free to use client and server app |
| 16:22.58 | Sho_ | litb: No, that'll be handled in X |
| 16:23.18 | Sho_ | jlaw: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html |
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| 16:23.22 | litb | will it ever be added? |
| 16:23.26 | johannus | hello |
| 16:23.33 | Sho_ | litb: Yes, work is in progress |
| 16:23.56 | litb | so we will get another extension? |
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| 16:24.06 | litb | don't you think it's time for X11R7 ? |
| 16:24.12 | jlaw | Sho_: in other words: i do not commit a crime by using nx without paying for it !-) |
| 16:24.23 | litb | and put some of them into the protocol itself? |
| 16:24.39 | Sho_ | litb: No, it'll be part of the COMPOSITE protocol |
| 16:24.59 | johannus | i installed kpf the kde personal file server and i would like to know where to find it i did a whereis kpf and got nothing |
| 16:25.10 | litb | oh ic |
| 16:25.14 | Sho_ | jlaw: When I say "free software" I mean free as in speech, not as in beer, obviously |
| 16:25.30 | jlaw | Sho_: this definition of "free" is what i would call "open source" |
| 16:25.31 | litb | free as in vodka is better |
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| 16:25.49 | feindbild | isn't everything you _need_ to run NX GPL'es? except for the convinience stuff .. |
| 16:25.54 | litb | jlaw: openSource is only a technical term |
| 16:26.00 | feindbild | s/es/ed/ |
| 16:26.06 | Sho_ | johannus: It's a Kicker panel applet. Right click your panel -> Add Applet to Panel -> Public File Server |
| 16:26.07 | litb | but freeAsInBeer is a philosophical term |
| 16:27.00 | Sho_ | jlaw: "Open source" simply means "the sources are available", whereas "free software" implies a certain number of things about what you and others can and may do with them |
| 16:27.05 | johannus | thanks Sho_ but i was trying to run it from terminal so i could maybe add it to my enlightenment ibar |
| 16:27.16 | Sho_ | jlaw: And the NX client is neither free software nor open source software |
| 16:27.30 | Sho_ | johannus: You won't. It's a Kicker panel applet, and only works with Kicker. |
| 16:27.38 | litb | even te nvidia driver is partially openSource, and mswindows too |
| 16:27.46 | johannus | ok thank you very much Sho_ |
| 16:27.47 | litb | nah, the latter not |
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| 16:28.07 | jlaw | Sho_: what ever ... we're a bit apart of topic^^ if there is a kde "native" rdp client/server giving me all i'm used by nx i'll use it ;) |
| 16:28.25 | Rasi | hmm |
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| 16:28.32 | Rasi | how can i enable antialiasing in firefox |
| 16:28.32 | Rasi | ? |
| 16:28.32 | benJIman | litb: Only the kernel module is "open source" and it's not free. |
| 16:28.41 | Rasi | as i dont have gnome installed... obviously |
| 16:28.43 | litb | yes |
| 16:28.46 | feindbild | Rasi: this is #kde =P |
| 16:28.51 | Sho_ | jlaw: Oh, KRDC already does the RDP protocol for some time actually. VNC and RDP atm, NX forthcoming. |
| 16:28.58 | Rasi | thats why i ask |
| 16:29.02 | Rasi | firefox is gtk |
| 16:29.12 | litb | firefox is not directly gtk |
| 16:29.26 | Rasi | whatever... it ignores my AA settings |
| 16:29.31 | Rasi | in opera the same site looks much better |
| 16:29.40 | shevy | firefox is chaotic coding =) |
| 16:29.42 | litb | it uses that crappy xml stuff called xaml or whatever |
| 16:29.51 | litb | xul... |
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| 16:29.57 | NeoOokami | Rasi: Make sure it's actually set to use truetype fonts. |
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| 16:30.19 | NeoOokami | The default fonts it tries to grab on Gentoo are.. less than perfect. |
| 16:30.32 | Rasi | it is |
| 16:30.33 | litb | Rasi: it has font.antialias.min . maybe that helps |
| 16:30.35 | Rasi | i use tahoma |
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| 16:31.13 | Rasi | hmm.. sorry that doesnt say me anything :P |
| 16:31.41 | litb | Rasi: about:config |
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| 16:33.50 | Rasi | well yes.. its set to '10' |
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| 16:33.54 | Rasi | so? :P |
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| 16:35.08 | litb | Rasi: so, make it smaller if you want antialiasing for smaller fonts |
| 16:35.18 | litb | and make sure settings in .fonts.conf are correct |
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| 16:36.07 | litb | hmmm, i already like kickoff |
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| 16:54.30 | JAO-Home | Are you guys runing KDE4 at this moment? |
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| 16:56.00 | shevy | not me |
| 16:56.01 | tbscope | JAO-Home: I am |
| 16:56.12 | JAO-Home | Which distro? |
| 16:56.16 | tbscope | Gentoo |
| 16:56.21 | JAO-Home | Ah.. |
| 16:56.33 | tbscope | But not the packages of Gentoo though ! |
| 16:56.37 | JAO-Home | Yeah that SUSE with KDE4 on the site is really glitchy. |
| 16:57.37 | Bille | JAO-Home: make sure you have 3.96.2 suse kde4 packages |
| 16:58.09 | Bille | they are less glitchy than the original RC1 packages |
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| 17:23.14 | czartur | Hi. |
| 17:24.12 | czartur | Is there someone who is using a "mac menu" in KDE, with xinerama, and two diffrent screen size? |
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| 17:24.33 | NoOrdinary | I can try |
| 17:24.40 | NoOrdinary | what's the problem? |
| 17:25.25 | czartur | NoOrdinary, I want to make this menu appear only on one screen, but I can't achive it. |
| 17:25.52 | NoOrdinary | just let me find it in settings first:) |
| 17:25.58 | czartur | It still is on full width of the screen, thru both monitors. |
| 17:26.10 | czartur | NoOrdinary, kcontrol -> Desktop -> Behaviour :) |
| 17:26.35 | NoOrdinary | hmm |
| 17:26.59 | NoOrdinary | I have it just on one screen, but second one is not alligned on top but somewhere in middle so can't say for sure |
| 17:27.02 | Bille | woo, the new kde 4 colour schemes are nice |
| 17:27.40 | NoOrdinary | will try with 0 offset |
| 17:27.50 | thiago_home | new scheme? |
| 17:27.53 | thiago_home | did we change again? |
| 17:28.00 | czartur | NoOrdinary, You got the same as me... |
| 17:28.14 | czartur | NoOrdinary, But try for example make a screenshot... you'll see :) |
| 17:28.33 | NoOrdinary | oh indeed |
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| 17:28.52 | Bille | thiago_home: no, but someone committed a bunch of new colour schemes today, with names like "Stone Orchid" |
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| 17:33.15 | czartur | NoOrdinary, Do you have any clues how to fix it, other than "move second screen up"? :) |
| 17:33.33 | NoOrdinary | no idea, didnt even notice till now |
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| 17:34.03 | NoOrdinary | you using 3.5.8? |
| 17:34.43 | SSJ_GZ | Boing - http://dot.kde.org/1196525703/ |
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| 17:35.36 | czartur | NoOrdinary, Yes. |
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| 17:38.42 | NoOrdinary | you filled bug report already? |
| 17:39.06 | czartur | No. I'm about to do this, but after a little while. |
| 17:39.11 | NoOrdinary | oh wait, that's very old acctualy |
| 17:39.11 | lebrand | hi there |
| 17:39.12 | NoOrdinary | from 2002 |
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| 17:40.33 | lebrand | i am new to sabayon |
| 17:40.40 | lebrand | how do i update ? |
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| 17:40.57 | maki_ | lebrand this is kde, not sabayon :) |
| 17:41.07 | maki_ | go here #sabayon |
| 17:41.21 | NoOrdinary | apperantly it wont be fixed in kde3 |
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| 17:42.22 | mollitz | what do you think when kde 4 gets released |
| 17:42.33 | maki_ | mollitz: ? |
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| 17:43.04 | czartur | NoOrdinary, So I hope, that I can enjoy 4th one before xmas. :) |
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| 17:44.37 | mollitz | ? |
| 17:44.42 | mollitz | i dont mean rc1 |
| 17:44.46 | mollitz | i mean final release |
| 17:44.55 | mollitz | for the repository |
| 17:45.10 | maki_ | wikipedia says dec. 11 |
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| 17:45.11 | NoOrdinary | looking forward too, not excatly beause mac-like menubar but sharing hopes :) |
| 17:45.17 | maki_ | but i wonder |
| 17:45.45 | sabayonlive-2194 | anyone have problems installing grub bootloader for sabayon 3.4f |
| 17:45.45 | SSJ_GZ | KDE4.0 Release: http://dot.kde.org/1196525703/ |
| 17:45.49 | maki_ | if there is time to fix everything |
| 17:46.02 | lebrand | hi there i am new to sabayon. i use KDE . how do i make updates ? |
| 17:46.34 | maki_ | lebrand click #sabayon |
| 17:50.22 | xenoterracide | is there anyway to make konqueror differentiate what it does with a file depending on whether it's remote or local? |
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| 17:57.45 | mrwoody | Hi * . On Firefox there is a plugin that allows to view flash content only after clicking on it. Is there anything similar for konqueror? |
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| 18:03.22 | secleinteer | is there any way to have the kmenu automatically sort all menus' items alphabetically? |
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| 18:07.05 | NoOrdinary | mine does, but I have no idea how to set or unset that :o |
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| 18:07.26 | NoOrdinary | hmm or at least partial does that |
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| 18:57.09 | anditosan | whats the name of the qt4 designer package in suse 10.3? |
| 18:57.11 | anditosan | please |
| 18:58.17 | VeGeek | qt4-dev maybe :) |
| 18:58.28 | VeGeek | something like that |
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| 18:59.05 | Jucato | #opensuse people would know |
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| 19:02.39 | anditosan | yeah, but opensuse people are kinda quiet |
| 19:03.08 | GraveDigger | anditosan: qt-devel that is |
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| 19:05.13 | anditosan | ok |
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| 19:11.40 | solsTiCe | hi. is there somethig better to use at the CLI than xset -dpms in kde ? |
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| 19:46.15 | DexterF | hi |
| 19:46.52 | redmonkey | hi |
| 19:47.06 | DexterF | 3.5.7/kmail: can I multi-address people with an alias? let's say I type "homies" in the to: field and it gets filled with a predefined list from my address book? |
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| 19:49.41 | ciperlone | hello kde peolpe! |
| 19:51.08 | ciperlone | does anyone in here knows how can I open the K Menu with the Win key(ONLY with the Win key. im currently using Win+< to open the K Menu) |
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| 19:52.44 | redmonkey | how are the programs offered in kde4? in big packages like kdemultimedia, kdegames and so on with all the applications in it as it was with kde3, or are you able to install all the programs separatly? |
| 19:53.59 | ciperlone | :( can anyone help me here? |
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| 19:55.57 | sharp15 | is kate capable of executing external tools on a document? |
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| 19:57.00 | sharp15 | nm. |
| 19:58.26 | heath | does anyone here use an ATI card? |
| 19:58.32 | heath | graphics? |
| 19:58.51 | sharp15 | which card? |
| 20:00.07 | SSJ_GZ | redmonkey: Depends on the distro - KDE just provide source code. |
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| 20:01.33 | heath | I have an X800 |
| 20:01.49 | heath | and I'm trying to see if you can run 2 monitors with compiz |
| 20:01.54 | sharp15 | heath: ok. what about it? (x300 here) |
| 20:02.05 | lysdexic | does kde have a runbox app, like gnome? |
| 20:02.19 | heath | alt F2 |
| 20:03.07 | lysdexic | alt F2 changes desktops (I use fluxbox, but with all the kde libs) |
| 20:03.33 | heath | oh,,, that's a run dialog in KDE |
| 20:04.02 | sharp15 | lysdexic: please elaborate on "runbox app". |
| 20:04.14 | Ahil | lysdexic, there is fbrun for fluxbox |
| 20:04.46 | lysdexic | Ahil; just found that out now lol, thanks :) |
| 20:05.09 | heath | anybody here run 2 monitors? |
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| 20:05.47 | Armand_Laptop | Oh no!! A . !! RUN FOR THE HILLS!! |
| 20:05.56 | czartur | :> |
| 20:06.09 | Armand_Laptop | ^_^ |
| 20:06.17 | czartur | I think i killed 'em :/ |
| 20:06.42 | Armand_Laptop | oops. :P |
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| 20:07.08 | MinceR | >:3 |
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| 20:09.52 | lockd | is there a kioslave tutorial, I'm trying to write one for xslt. |
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| 20:10.15 | lockd | because of course, konqueror can't handle xslt as is and it has to be processed into usable html |
| 20:10.37 | tuxick | found libopensync-plugin-kdepim but don't see how to use it? |
| 20:10.55 | lockd | anyone at all? |
| 20:11.08 | ztcptxm1bx | I searched over and over and I just found Live iso-images of KDE4 RC1 with opensuse |
| 20:11.19 | ztcptxm1bx | are there any other images with other distros? |
| 20:11.24 | lockd | and yes, i've searched google |
| 20:11.47 | ztcptxm1bx | where? |
| 20:12.13 | lockd | or is this one of those things you have to search for in the source itself, just too complex any way else? |
| 20:15.00 | MilesMi | lockd: you want a kioslave for xslt? |
| 20:15.08 | MilesMi | seems odd |
| 20:15.26 | lockd | MilesMi: well, would be handy if http kioslave could handle xslt documents |
| 20:15.41 | MilesMi | lockd: it doesn't make much sense |
| 20:15.59 | MilesMi | kioslave as the name says, is for input and output |
| 20:16.38 | MilesMi | think that a kioslave should support directory listing, moving files into it and from it, opening files stored into it... |
| 20:16.56 | lockd | MilesMi: do you know a way to handle xslt documents without external viewers? |
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| 20:17.05 | lockd | MilesMi: perhaps i'm thinking of a KPart |
| 20:17.08 | MilesMi | xslt is an XML transformation language... it doesn't fit into what kioslaves are intended to be |
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| 20:17.34 | lockd | MilesMi: okay, if it's a KPart.. is one available? |
| 20:17.43 | MilesMi | lockd: depends on what you want to do with it... |
| 20:18.04 | MilesMi | you want to open and edit an xslt? any XML editor would serve |
| 20:18.47 | lockd | MilesMi: no, read xslt formatted documents (usually via http) |
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| 20:19.30 | lockd | MilesMi: pure xslt pages provide this nice gibberish when viewed in Konqueror. but it's useless, it just looks like plain text, and not even the source |
| 20:19.35 | MilesMi | so, you want to open an XML file, translate it using an XSLT and display its output |
| 20:20.00 | lockd | basically, but I don't want to do it manually every single time. I know how to do that |
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| 20:20.37 | MilesMi | lockd: what you call "pure xslt pages"? |
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| 20:21.31 | lockd | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?> |
| 20:21.32 | lockd | <?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="default_query.xsl?v=v11" ?> |
| 20:22.00 | MilesMi | it is unusual to simply display an xslt... no wonder konqueror display gibberish |
| 20:22.21 | MilesMi | lockd: so you want konqueror to support xslt-formatted xml documents |
| 20:22.25 | MilesMi | is it? |
| 20:22.29 | lockd | yes |
| 20:22.42 | MilesMi | it is neither kioslave, nor kpart |
| 20:22.59 | MilesMi | you will have to get into konqueror code itself |
| 20:23.08 | lockd | I take it it would involve rewriting a ton of code |
| 20:23.48 | MilesMi | better ask the konqueror developers |
| 20:24.19 | zettablade | YAHH YAHH BITCH YAHH |
| 20:24.26 | lockd | oh i have no qualms of keeping a patch.. it's annoying but I have to do it with wine |
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| 20:24.36 | lockd | for the stupid 32-bit 24-bit color depths |
| 20:25.32 | tuxick | amarok using 90% |
| 20:25.34 | tuxick | sweet |
| 20:25.46 | lockd | i think i've seen this feature requested since 2005, it's suprising it hasn't got in. must be immaculately difficult |
| 20:26.11 | lockd | maybe even '99, that's scary |
| 20:26.34 | MilesMi | or underdemanded |
| 20:26.44 | lockd | okay, 2003 at least |
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| 20:27.00 | tuxick | anyone one else seen amarok taking so much cpu? |
| 20:27.51 | MilesMi | tuxick: before I disabled moodbar |
| 20:28.01 | tuxick | what's that? |
| 20:28.19 | MilesMi | tuxick: one of amarok's features |
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| 20:28.25 | tuxick | it happens when i skip to next song |
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| 20:28.49 | MilesMi | nice colorful bars with the sound frequencies of your songs... but it takes a lot of CPU and time to generate |
| 20:28.58 | JohnFlux | lockd: there have been some steps towards xslt |
| 20:29.06 | JohnFlux | lockd: the trouble is that xslt requires xpointer and xpath |
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| 20:29.27 | MilesMi | tuxick: tryed asking in #amarok? |
| 20:29.47 | tuxick | ow, a separate channel! |
| 20:30.13 | JohnFlux | lockd: and xquery |
| 20:30.22 | lockd | JohnFlux: why can't it just be preprocessed by xsltproc |
| 20:30.38 | lockd | JohnFlux: ideological reasons, or technical reasons? |
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| 20:31.13 | JohnFlux | lockd: I guess nobody fancied implementing a 'hack; |
| 20:31.15 | JohnFlux | ' |
| 20:31.46 | lockd | know if I could implement a hack like that without getting all the sources? |
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| 20:33.42 | tuxick | maybe i should just stop trying to use amarok |
| 20:34.01 | lockd | simplest choice is probably just never use konqueror until version 6 when it's supported |
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| 20:35.53 | JohnFlux | lockd: or send me some money and i'll implement it |
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| 20:36.43 | MilesMi | more and more I see people that doesn't understand what open-source means |
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| 20:42.31 | sourcemaker | which format should I use the store about 100 contacts to kontact? => vcard/binary/KDE Repository accounts? And where is the difference? |
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| 20:45.10 | sourcemaker | I am sorry... i mean KAddressBook |
| 20:46.45 | MilesMi | sourcemaker: vcard (the default) should suffice |
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| 20:47.07 | sourcemaker | MilesMi: Thank you |
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| 20:56.50 | sourcemaker | MilesMi: Year... it is working fine.... I have the option... to add the ICQ number of a person... what does this feature do? Is it just for my information or does kopete reads this data? |
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| 20:57.54 | MilesMi | sourcemaker: You have the option, but it is easier the other way around |
| 20:58.05 | roxy_ | is there a kde way to set up dual screen ? |
| 20:58.11 | MilesMi | sourcemaker: from kopete, assign the contact to the entry in kaddressbook |
| 20:58.39 | sourcemaker | MilesMi: ok |
| 20:58.43 | MilesMi | then kaddressbook will show who is online when kopete is loaded and connected |
| 20:58.57 | derek_ | roxy_: what distro? |
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| 20:59.53 | derek_ | roxy_: you should probably ask in your distro's channel |
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| 21:01.26 | roxy_ | derek_: debian, I am there begging for help but nothing. I was hoping to find a gui to help for the set up. |
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| 21:01.54 | sourcemaker | MilesAway: This is a greate feature... thank :-) |
| 21:02.15 | MilesAway | no problem. |
| 21:02.48 | ciperlone | does anyone in here knows how can I open the K Menu with the Win key(ONLY with the Win key. im currently using Win+< to open the K Menu) |
| 21:02.58 | sourcemaker | MilesAway: is there an auto assign feature available... to assign all contacts from my adressbock matching the icq uin? |
| 21:03.17 | derek_ | roxy_: probably no gui. you need to get into your xorg.conf configuration. unless you have ati and possibly nvidia they may have tools to set things up |
| 21:03.59 | ciperlone | :( can anyone help me here? |
| 21:04.44 | simon123 | ciperlone: what about? |
| 21:04.49 | roxy_ | derek_: I set up my xorg.conf but get a X error. (each screen works separatly). But you're right it is OT in here. |
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| 21:06.17 | ciperlone | does anyone in here knows how can I open the K Menu with the Win key(ONLY with the Win key. im currently using Win+< to open the K Menu) |
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| 21:07.01 | simon123 | ciperlone: kde3 or kde4? |
| 21:07.14 | ciperlone | kde3 |
| 21:07.34 | sourcemaker | ciperlone:you can use ALT+F1 |
| 21:08.13 | ciperlone | yes, but is there a change to change it to the Windows key, only? |
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| 21:11.28 | sourcemaker | ciperlone: There is an option in kcontrol => Keyboard Shortcuts |
| 21:11.42 | simon123 | ciperlone: see in KDE Personal Settings > Reginal and Accessabiltiy > keyboard shortcuts |
| 21:12.12 | maki | where can i change the kdm sessions? |
| 21:12.22 | maki | in kde/share/apps/kdm/sessions ? |
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| 21:16.17 | ciperlone | yeah, but i cannot use ONLY the windows key...right? |
| 21:16.36 | ciperlone | i mean, with the sugestions you guys made... |
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| 21:17.44 | simon123 | I didn't tried. The key is listed as modifier, which means it will do nothing without some other key. |
| 21:18.07 | timri | ciperlone: You can, but you have to make it a non-modifier, like this: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2552777 |
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| 21:19.23 | ciperlone | hmm, so it means it is impossible? |
| 21:19.43 | timri | ciperlone: It means it is *possible* (read the link) |
| 21:19.44 | ciperlone | to use only the window$ key? |
| 21:19.57 | ciperlone | oh, sorry |
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| 21:20.10 | timri | ciperlone: np |
| 21:20.18 | ciperlone | didn't see that coming timri |
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| 21:21.34 | timri | ciperlone: heh. However, you will not be able to use Win+key combo's if you had them setup, they will not function anymore |
| 21:22.03 | ciperlone | ohh... :( |
| 21:22.04 | ciperlone | ok |
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| 21:22.36 | ciperlone | so i guess i'll stick with my win+< to open the k menu |
| 21:23.06 | ciperlone | i would prefer the win key only, since i keep using windows for professional reasons |
| 21:23.09 | Wofl | hey, anyone here? |
| 21:23.31 | Wofl | i have an issue with kwallet and kontact |
| 21:23.36 | timri | ciperlone: Ctrl+Esc also works in MS Windows |
| 21:24.05 | Wofl | i have two email account passwords stored in my kwallet |
| 21:24.31 | Wofl | but now, for some reason, i now have to enter one maualy |
| 21:24.46 | Wofl | as if the passwort disappeared |
| 21:24.58 | Wofl | the other one still works |
| 21:25.15 | timri | Wofl: Happened to me two months ago. I removed all kmail entries from kwallet, then it worked again. |
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| 21:25.31 | Wofl | ok, ill try that |
| 21:25.36 | Wofl | thanks timri |
| 21:25.41 | timri | Wofl: Remember to check the "remember pop password" checkbox. |
| 21:25.56 | Wofl | well it worked for months... |
| 21:26.36 | ciperlone | timri, you'r right! didn't know that! |
| 21:26.43 | timri | Wofl: Also, kmail kept thinking the email address from one account was the reply-to from the other. People got really confused |
| 21:26.48 | thiago_home | the standard KDE shortcut for the menu is Alt+F1 |
| 21:27.03 | timri | ciperlone: It dates back to Windows 95 |
| 21:27.31 | Wofl | it works now, thanks timri |
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| 21:27.39 | timri | Wofl: yw |
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| 21:32.02 | sourcemaker | are there any techs guides available... how to setup an advanced kde environment... I have just noticed... that it is possible to assign contacts with photo to kadressbook from icq accounts of kopete |
| 21:32.15 | sourcemaker | and i think... there are much for nice features... :-) |
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| 21:40.57 | timri | sourcemaker: Not that I know of. Would be a nice item on the dot though "KDE Tip of the day". Like Debian Package of the Day, but more task-orientied perhaps. |
| 21:42.30 | sourcemaker | timri: yes... that whould be nice |
| 21:43.47 | sourcemaker | timri: well, I always have to realize... that i use kde every day and do not know all this nice features... this is realy bad for me ... :-) |
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| 21:45.53 | ciperlone | there are very nice e-book .pdf books in torrent trackers out there... ;) |
| 21:47.06 | sourcemaker | ciperlone: can you give me a link? |
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| 21:49.44 | timri | KTotD #1: You can use KDE System Notifications (located under "Sound & Multimedia" in kcontrol) to perform custom actions when certain events occur. Example: Use the "NetworkManager is now connected" event to automatically mount Samba shares through a program like smb4k. |
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| 21:54.31 | _michael | Hello, regarding KDE 4.0 is there a way to keep ALL of my existing KDE 3.5.6 (I don't mind having to modify environment variables or edit config files but is it possible)? |
| 21:55.08 | thiago_home | all of your existing what? |
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| 21:57.06 | _michael | thiago_home: When updating to a KDE 4.0 distro I don't want to have the new KDE 4.0 binaries overwrite the current KDE 3.5.6 ones as well as all my current configuration. Is there a method of having KDE 4.0 on my system but not having it overwrite the existing KDE 3.5.6 files |
| 21:57.22 | thiago_home | yes, sure |
| 21:57.28 | thiago_home | just install it to a different prefix |
| 21:57.47 | _michael | so ./configure --prefix=/usr/kde4 ? |
| 21:57.52 | thiago_home | yep |
| 21:58.03 | thiago_home | for configuration files, you have to set KDEHOME individually (per application that you run) |
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| 21:58.14 | sputnick | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.32 | sputnick | is better i think |
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| 22:00.19 | timri | _michael: More info (including how to launch kde4 sessions alongside kde3) on: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development |
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| 22:01.45 | dm | Hello. How can I save a KDE session manually? |
| 22:05.01 | timri | dm: Use the "save session" in the kmenu ? (it should appear if you set to session manager to always start with the saved setting iirc) |
| 22:05.20 | timri | dm: Just tried and: yep :) |
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| 22:07.59 | _michael | So another question. If I were to launch say kmail or another app from KDE4 as the kde3 user would it overwrite my current ~/.configfiles or would it say make ~/.kde4 and write them there? |
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| 22:11.10 | Kristoffer | If I'd like to build my own distribution, how do I start? I know reading a book might help, but then what? |
| 22:11.31 | Kristoffer | Install python if it isn't installed and then? |
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| 22:14.03 | timri | Kristoffer: You could ask in the different distro channels (#ubuntu etc). #kde is not about distributions. |
| 22:14.26 | Kristoffer | Okey. Sorry. |
| 22:14.44 | timri | Kristoffer: Good luck. |
| 22:14.55 | Kristoffer | Thanx. |
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| 22:29.10 | Zeroth404 | are there *.desktop files for all K-menu entries? |
| 22:29.32 | Zeroth404 | if so, whee are they? |
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| 22:31.43 | thiago_home | Zeroth404: yes, there are, for almost all |
| 22:31.57 | thiago_home | a few of the menu actions are hardcoded, though |
| 22:32.38 | thiago_home | the ones that exist as files are all over the place: $KDEDIRS/applnk, $KDEDIRS/applications, $XDG_DATA_DIRS/applications, $KDEHOME/applnk, $KDEHOME/applications, $XDG_DATA_HOME/applications |
| 22:33.42 | Zeroth404 | eeks |
| 22:33.44 | timri|away | Zeroth404: hierarchy and visibility settings are in ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu that points to lots of places, even ~/.kde/share/mimelnk |
| 22:34.43 | timri|away | Zeroth404: Some distros add yet other places (kubuntu does) for system-wide .desktop files, so eeks indeed |
| 22:34.53 | Zeroth404 | Gentoo |
| 22:35.05 | Zeroth404 | is there any order to this madness? |
| 22:36.06 | Zeroth404 | well I'm looking for Links I've made myself via the config dialog |
| 22:36.13 | Zeroth404 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.14 | apt | Zeroth404: okay |
| 22:36.38 | thiago_home | try ~/.local/applications |
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| 22:37.08 | Zeroth404 | got it, .local/share/app... |
| 22:37.23 | thiago_home | yeah, that |
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| 22:37.56 | Zeroth404 | I see there is no folder heirarchy |
| 22:38.05 | Zeroth404 | how does it know what section it goes it? |
| 22:38.19 | timri | Zeroth404: See my previous comment |
| 22:38.23 | thiago_home | the .menu files |
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| 22:42.47 | schizophreni | hi guys |
| 22:43.05 | schizophreni | i used the command mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/test |
| 22:43.07 | schizophreni | to mount a file |
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| 22:43.19 | schizophreni | but i don't know how to creat the /mnt/test |
| 22:43.24 | schizophreni | (i am newbie) |
| 22:43.27 | smotA | mkdir ? |
| 22:43.32 | smotA | mkdir /mnt/test |
| 22:43.34 | schizophreni | hmm... |
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| 22:44.48 | schizophreni | can not be created...salt-reading |
| 22:44.53 | schizophreni | what does this mean? |
| 22:45.03 | smotA | dunno |
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| 22:45.23 | schizophreni | hmm |
| 22:45.30 | schizophreni | and how can i reach the file which i mounted? |
| 22:45.39 | schizophreni | i mounted in the /mnt folder |
| 22:45.46 | thiago_home | cd into it |
| 22:45.54 | thiago_home | if you don't know the command-line, why are you using it? |
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| 22:46.27 | schizophreni | ;) it's like saying to a littl baby "why are you tryieng to go, when you not can?" |
| 22:46.41 | schizophreni | ...i want to learn this...thiago..and i think is better to make it from the command line |
| 22:46.51 | schizophreni | and because of my fast writing skills for me this is a better solution |
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| 22:47.13 | thiago_home | then please go read some tutorials first |
| 22:47.18 | thiago_home | on Unix shell, bash, etc. |
| 22:47.23 | smotA | schizophreni then try manuals or google first :) |
| 22:47.25 | schizophreni | i read bro... |
| 22:47.28 | schizophreni | i googled also |
| 22:47.31 | thiago_home | asking in a *graphical* environment's channel is not the place |
| 22:47.42 | timri | schizophreni: Your distro's support channel would be a better place to look for support than #kde |
| 22:47.42 | schizophreni | and so i found this way of opening iso files ;) |
| 22:47.57 | schizophreni | ...no timri...**nux is all the same... |
| 22:48.05 | schizophreni | ;) don't make borders... |
| 22:48.26 | timri | schizophreni: erm? read thiago's last comment again |
| 22:48.31 | smotA | linux maybe, but kde is graphical enviroinment |
| 22:48.32 | smotA | :) |
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| 22:48.46 | schizophreni | :D ohh damn...i really was not thinking of that |
| 22:48.51 | schizophreni | (not joking) |
| 22:48.58 | timri | schizophreni: np |
| 22:49.05 | schizophreni | i am really new into linux... |
| 22:49.12 | schizophreni | but i find it exciting..my live makes again sense |
| 22:49.18 | thiago_home | you're looking for a generic Linux help channel |
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| 22:50.53 | schizophreni | yes do you know one? |
| 22:51.54 | thiago_home | no |
| 22:52.07 | schizophreni | :D anyway, thank you bro |
| 22:52.09 | Clumsy_Root | well, i'd recommend getting some starter books on the subject |
| 22:53.53 | timri | enter /list for a full list of channels. Your distro's helpchannel is usually the best place to start though (they will have knowledge of the specific error messages you encounter, versions of programs used, their limitations etc.) |
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| 22:54.51 | schizophreni | ;) |
| 22:54.53 | schizophreni | will do that |
| 22:55.17 | circassia | hmm |
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| 23:01.31 | Wesker | hi |
| 23:01.44 | Wesker | exist any program like netlimiter for KDE ? |
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| 23:02.02 | thiago_home | instead of saying the program name, describe what you want. |
| 23:03.38 | Wesker | thiago_home: a program like trickle with a KDE-GUI and to can change dinamic limits |
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| 23:04.16 | Wesker | see this |
| 23:04.16 | Wesker | http://www.netlimiter.com/img/scrshots/nl2pro.jpg |
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| 23:04.42 | thiago_home | dynamic limits of what? |
| 23:05.32 | Wesker | thiago_home: have you look the jpg ? |
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| 23:05.43 | thiago_home | no |
| 23:06.08 | thiago_home | describe what you want here if you want me to help. |
| 23:06.22 | Wesker | see it please. A image count like 1000 words |
| 23:06.32 | thiago_home | ok, then I can't help you. |
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| 23:06.52 | Wesker | it's to hard to explaind, even if you only speack a little english |
| 23:07.36 | Wesker | I want a program to limit apps bandwith |
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| 23:07.46 | thiago_home | ah, ok, now I get it |
| 23:08.01 | thiago_home | I use wondershaper. It's a very small shell script. |
| 23:08.10 | thiago_home | no GUI because no GUI is needed. |
| 23:08.26 | timri | Wesker: The program trickle does bandwidth shaping, I do not know of a GUI though |
| 23:08.54 | Wesker | timri: yes but using trickle if i want to change the limit i need to restart the application |
| 23:09.14 | Wesker | i would like to changing it "in live" |
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| 23:09.31 | timri | Wesker: Ah, did not know that. Sorry, cannot help you I'am afraid. |
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| 23:16.33 | Gokee2 | How do I restart the kde print server thing? When trying to print a test page fron the kde control panal I get "Unable to test printer Canon_MP130. Error message received from manager: Internal error (no error message)." and "Unable to test printer Canon_MP130. Error message received from manager: Internal error (no error message).". How do I start kdeprintd myself? Also I can print test pages from cups web interface |
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| 23:17.38 | timri | Wesker: Did a bit of googling, and it appears the "wondershaper" thiago suggested does in fact support changing limits after launching a program |
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| 23:18.26 | thiago_home | it does only for the entire system |
| 23:18.31 | thiago_home | not for each application individually |
| 23:19.05 | timri | thiago_home: Ah, ok. Or, as we in FR say: zut! |
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| 23:22.59 | MilesMi | we need an userland network scheduler for linux for this to work, but that would severely kill overall network performance, that is one of the big plus of Linux over Windows |
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| 23:25.43 | DirkGently | probably a FAQ, but how do I persuade klipper and korganizer to sit on the "kicker" in kde4? |
| 23:26.07 | thiago_home | do you mean Plasma's system tray? |
| 23:26.28 | DirkGently | probably |
| 23:26.51 | DirkGently | plasma is the bar at the bottom? |
| 23:26.56 | thiago_home | yes |
| 23:27.12 | thiago_home | if that's what you mean, make sure you have a very recent build from Subversion |
| 23:27.16 | DirkGently | why was it named plasma? |
| 23:27.35 | thiago_home | go back two years in blog and dot history and read |
| 23:27.39 | MilesMi | because it is hot? |
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| 23:28.30 | thiago_home | Keramik, Plastik, Oxygen, Plasma |
| 23:28.44 | thiago_home | there was also Liquid at one time (theme by mosfet) |
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| 23:29.42 | DirkGently | so eventually plasma will be a bit more functional? |
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| 23:29.54 | thiago_home | by the day |
| 23:30.11 | DirkGently | I thought the release was imminent |
| 23:30.29 | thiago_home | it is |
| 23:30.47 | thiago_home | one month from now |
| 23:30.47 | thiago_home | 40 days |
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| 23:33.27 | DirkGently | well at least the fonts look much clearer |
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| 23:38.08 | Sam1337 | I'm really surprised that ark doesn't support .iso files. |
| 23:38.47 | Sam1337 | It's really usefull how ark integrates with kde but I use xarchiver instead because I extract from .iso files fairly often. |
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| 23:40.01 | MilesMi | .iso are so messed up... no wonder ark doesn't suport it |
| 23:40.13 | MilesMi | perhaps a kioslave would be better |
| 23:40.31 | Sam1337 | I'm noob with computers :( |
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| 23:41.44 | thiago_home | .iso isn't a compression format |
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| 23:42.19 | MilesMi | thiago_home: as isn't .tar, but ark supports it nevertheless |
| 23:43.34 | thiago_home | true, but .tar.gz is |
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| 23:43.39 | MilesMi | I think the problem is that there are so many extensions and features for iso images that would put too much burden into ark |
| 23:43.44 | thiago_home | and in order to support .tar.gz, it has to support .tar |
| 23:43.54 | thiago_home | besides, .tar is used for transferring blocks of files |
| 23:44.01 | thiago_home | .iso is the image of a CD or a DVD |
| 23:44.07 | thiago_home | it serves a completely different purpose. |
| 23:44.38 | Sam1337 | I still need to extract from them |
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| 23:44.46 | MilesMi | thiago_home: how would you classify .jar and .hqx files? |
| 23:45.01 | thiago_home | .jar are Zip files |
| 23:45.13 | thiago_home | used by Java with, I don't know for sure, some extensions |
| 23:45.19 | thiago_home | .hqx I have no idea whatsoever. |
| 23:45.56 | MilesMi | thiago_home: not ordinary Zip files... but *non-compressed* zip files that represent the "image" for a Java application to run on a virtual machine |
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| 23:46.14 | MilesMi | since .jar isn't compressed, it is directly mapped into memory |
| 23:46.23 | thiago_home | but any unzip program can read it |
| 23:46.27 | MilesMi | yep |
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| 23:47.22 | Ace2016 | Is there any chance that kde4 will be out by Christmas? |
| 23:47.23 | MilesMi | .jar is a good example of borderline between "compressed file" and "disk image", they are neither, and both at the same time |
| 23:47.45 | benJIman | jar as in java? |
| 23:47.48 | benJIman | jar is just a zip file |
| 23:47.55 | thiago_home | Ace2016: that depends on whether Christmas is in January for you |
| 23:47.59 | benJIman | You can create yourself by zipping up the classes if you want. |
| 23:48.11 | Ace2016 | i really love the oxygen theme, will there be a gtk theme to compliment it so that gtk apps don't look crappy, i really hate that discontinuety |
| 23:48.16 | MilesMi | .hqx (if I didn't get the extension wrong) are Mac OS X binary images |
| 23:48.27 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 23:48.33 | Ace2016 | well i guess i could wait |
| 23:48.59 | MilesMi | benJIman: yeah, if you properly create the special manifest files, and remember to disable compression while zipping |
| 23:49.18 | MilesMi | or you will have what they call a "strange jar" |
| 23:49.33 | benJIman | MilesMi: it's fine with compression I think, and you only need a manifest file if you need it to execute with "java -jar" |
| 23:50.15 | MilesMi | Java does read compressed jars, but it is not recommended, since it will have to decompress it in memory instead of directly mapping |
| 23:50.24 | Ace2016 | so any news on the oxygen theme for gtk apps or is gtk unable to merge the titlebar and the rest of the app like in the screenshots of the games here: http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/kde-4-beta-3-screenshot-tour/ |
| 23:50.28 | benJIman | Yeah it's not sensible. |
| 23:50.46 | thiago_home | Ace2016: try #gtk |
| 23:50.51 | thiago_home | Ace2016: this is #kde |
| 23:52.13 | Ace2016 | but isn't oxygen a kde theme? |
| 23:52.24 | Ace2016 | isn't it being designed just for kde? |
| 23:52.36 | thiago_home | Oxygen is a KDE icon theme and a Qt widget theme |
| 23:52.38 | MilesMi | But, back to the topic, it would be excelent to have a kioslave for handling iso and cue+bin images |
| 23:52.42 | thiago_home | the same name is used for both |
| 23:53.09 | thiago_home | I am assuming you're talking about the widget theme. If so, you're asking the wrong channel about GTK support. |
| 23:54.08 | MilesMi | With proper support to all ISO nuances (extensions, Joilet, RR, hybrid mode, multisession, hidden files, etc...) |
| 23:54.20 | Ace2016 | yea the style http://liquidat.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/systemsettingsstyle.png |
| 23:54.31 | thiago_home | MilesMi: I think there was one. But you can simply mount it and the kernel takes care of the extensions. |
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| 23:55.31 | MilesMi | thiago_home: sure, if you have root privileges... and, unfortunately, not even the vanilla linux kernel supports mounting cue+bin images |
| 23:55.50 | thiago_home | right |
| 23:55.58 | MilesMi | that would be a good job for kioslaves, I think |
| 23:56.13 | thiago_home | I've never seen a data CD transferred as cue+bin though |
| 23:56.17 | thiago_home | .iso files are smaller |
| 23:57.32 | MilesMi | thiago_home: I have... some people don't know that iso is more appropriate for ripping single data track media |
| 23:58.44 | Gokee2 | Anyone know how to manually start kdeprintd? |
| 23:58.51 | MilesMi | another thing is that it is not trivial to extract an iso from a multisession-burned CD |
| 23:59.15 | thiago_home | Gokee2: dcop kded kded loadModule kdeprintd |
| 23:59.43 | NeoOokami | Anyone run into a problem where using KMPlayer and nspluginwrapper+nsflash results in it working, but most of it but a square in the corner covered up in grey? |
