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| 00:00.37 | thiemster | What I want to do is to switch all of the KDE3 applications that already have KDE4 version to the KDE4 versions. I have already done this with the games, but I had to do each one manually. What I'm looking for is a way to update all of them to KDE4 in one process. |
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| 00:01.12 | pinotree | there's no k3b yet, no digikam, etc |
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| 00:01.48 | thiemster | I know that to run KDE4 I have to install kde4-core. Or should I install just the kde4 package in order to get the KDE4 applications? |
| 00:01.53 | DirkGently | you can run kde3 apps in kde4 environment |
| 00:02.33 | thiemster | DirkGently: I know, but I want to switch as many kde3 apps as I can to kde4, as long as they have kde4 alternatives |
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| 00:04.28 | memunkey | KDE 4.0.1 doesn't seem to have a battery monitor on my laptop, which package do I need to build to get that functionality? |
| 00:04.40 | pinotree | kde 4 has a battery applet, in kdebase |
| 00:04.59 | DirkGently | Add Widget |
| 00:05.11 | pinotree | for distro packages, there's the appropriate distro channel |
| 00:05.24 | memunkey | where is it located? which menu? |
| 00:05.38 | pinotree | right click on the desktop â add widget? |
| 00:05.56 | DirkGently | pinotree types faster than me... |
| 00:06.11 | Jucato | DirkGently: pinotree types faster than anybody |
| 00:06.22 | DirkGently | :) |
| 00:06.26 | ether_c | memunkey: you can add it to the panel too |
| 00:06.35 | memunkey | now we are at the heart of the issue. I have a KDE 3.5 desktop on top of my 4.0.1 desktop and the 4.0.1 apps tend to freeze up or not work right. |
| 00:06.36 | pinotree | heh, and i just use no more than 4 fingers |
| 00:07.04 | DirkGently | is using half a brain |
| 00:07.06 | Jucato | one-hand typing? O.o |
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| 00:07.17 | Jucato | DirkGently: that's 1/8 more than me :P |
| 00:07.20 | pinotree | nah, two each hand |
| 00:07.20 | memunkey | plus, the resolution is kinda screwed up on the 4.0.1 desktop |
| 00:07.34 | DirkGently | memunkey: 3.5 on 4?? |
| 00:07.38 | pinotree | should learn to type in the correct way, some day... |
| 00:07.39 | memunkey | 4 |
| 00:07.40 | DirkGently | how does that work? |
| 00:07.53 | memunkey | DirkGently, not well |
| 00:07.55 | DirkGently | I run 3.5 apps in 4 desktop |
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| 00:08.14 | DirkGently | doesn't mean I have a 3.5 desktop |
| 00:08.36 | memunkey | like a screenshot so you can see what I mean? |
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| 00:09.22 | kitimori_hayashi | i've had 8 desktops once |
| 00:09.24 | MaxHR | which video players will auto disable the screen saver and monitor powersave in kde while playing? |
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| 00:12.35 | kdepepo | MaxHR, I use mplayer |
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| 00:13.10 | MaxHR | kdepepo: I thought kaffeine had this option, but can't find it, maybe if I use the mplayer engine instead of xine? |
| 00:13.32 | kdepepo | MaxHR, try it. I don't use a "frontend". |
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| 00:14.42 | MaxHR | kdepepo: I am setting this up for my parents laptop, so they need userfriendly the most |
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| 01:06.36 | graft_ | is there some better way to determine what apps populate my menu other than editing XDG_DATA_DIRS in the startkde script? |
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| 01:07.55 | graft_ | menu customization seems not to be very easy at all |
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| 01:20.15 | memunkey | grr... |
| 01:20.30 | memunkey | KDE 4.0.1 does not respond to my mouse or keyboard |
| 01:26.53 | memunkey | http://pastebin.ca/968454 |
| 01:28.27 | thiemster | Is Kaffeine the best DVD player for kde? |
| 01:29.56 | memunkey | I prefer mplayer |
| 01:30.01 | memunkey | :D |
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| 01:30.12 | thiemster | vlc is pretty good too, right? |
| 01:30.49 | Jucato | "best" is very subjective. you're bound to get many, many answers, some of them conflicting |
| 01:31.01 | thiemster | Jucato: thanks |
| 01:31.17 | thiemster | Jucato: that's sort of the answer I thought I'd get, but I just wanted to know different people's opinions |
| 01:31.34 | Jucato | VLC isn't a KDE app, so doesn't qualify for your "for KDE" question :) |
| 01:31.36 | lilltiger | isent dragon player an dvd player aswell.. the new one for kde4 |
| 01:32.08 | Jucato | it's a video player. dunno if it does DVD's now too. playing DVD's are very twicky :) |
| 01:32.09 | memunkey | Jacato, technically, by your statement, neither do mplayer or Xine |
| 01:32.10 | thiemster | and what's a good DVD ripper? I preferably want one that can do a one-operation rip from DVD to iPod compatible video |
| 01:32.28 | Jucato | memunkey: except that there are KDE frontends for those two :P |
| 01:32.31 | Jucato | and none for VLC |
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| 01:33.36 | lilltiger | yes, DVD is a very silly format.. and blue-ray isent better.. DRM should be illegal.. |
| 01:33.50 | memunkey | thiemster, I wouldn't know about that, since I don't pirate my DVD's (even though I do have backup copies of some on a Seagate SATA hard drive somewhere) |
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| 01:34.25 | thiemster | memunkey: I'm not talking about pirating. Sometimes when I'm traveling I want to see movies on my iPod, and I'd be using movies that I already own |
| 01:34.36 | thiemster | memunkey: so that's not pirating if you already own it, right? |
| 01:34.38 | memunkey | but I have heard that mencoder (which comes with mplayer) does some pretty good re-encoding |
| 01:35.04 | memunkey | thiemster, I live in the U.S., and we have to deal with the DMCA. |
| 01:35.14 | thiemster | memunkey: so do i |
| 01:35.43 | memunkey | Technically, copying any video media is a violation of the DMCA, and copying any digital audio media is as well. |
| 01:35.47 | thiemster | memunkey: but I'm not THAT concerned with it. As long as I don't distribute my ripped DVDs through limewire or bittorrent, I can't think of anything illegal |
| 01:35.53 | lilltiger | thiemster: unfortunally there isent any good rippers for linux for encrypted DVD's.. nor are the players esp good |
| 01:36.00 | thiemster | lilltiger:thx |
| 01:36.02 | Jucato | hm... DVD/DMCA/DRM discussion in #kde-chat please |
| 01:36.59 | memunkey | Jacato, point taken. But I will say one more thing about the DMCA - it sucks. |
| 01:37.31 | Jucato | memunkey: let me introduce you to the Tab key :) |
| 01:38.09 | lilltiger | from here one you will be known as Jacata! |
| 01:38.11 | memunkey | I replaced mine with a "Diet Coke" key |
| 01:38.15 | lilltiger | err Jacato |
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| 01:38.38 | Jucato | memunkey: you can press the Tab key to autocomplete nicks |
| 01:38.41 | Jucato | saves you the typos |
| 01:38.55 | memunkey | sorry, Jucato, my glasses were dirty |
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| 01:40.16 | lilltiger | Diet Coke is a great concept, introduce something that makes people fater and unhelthier but lable it as "diet" and people are actually stupid enought to buy it and think it's healthier then the regular crap :) |
| 01:40.47 | memunkey | lilltiger, ummm... 0 calories, how can you get fat? |
| 01:40.51 | graft_ | wha's the story with this 'diet coke makes you fatter' idea? |
| 01:40.57 | utopia_ | And then there as zero coke |
| 01:40.58 | graft_ | i've been hearing this lately |
| 01:40.59 | lilltiger | maybe we should introduce Diet KDE and charge people for it.. |
| 01:41.29 | memunkey | lilltiger, it exists, I am using it now - XFCE |
| 01:41.37 | Jucato | guys.. please populate #kde-chat with your conversation.. not #kde |
| 01:42.16 | memunkey | actually, I was waiting on an answer to my question about a crash... |
| 01:42.35 | lilltiger | memunkey: it includes chemicals that makes your body produce insulin to break down the sugar.. but there is no sugar to break donw so you get and insulin overdose |
| 01:42.49 | Jucato | memunkey: you can be in so many channels at one time. you can wait here and chat in others ;) |
| 01:42.54 | lilltiger | crash? |
| 01:43.18 | Jucato | see? your valid support question was covered by non-support diet coke |
| 01:43.18 | Jucato | :P |
| 01:43.44 | lilltiger | naa he just pastbined it and said nothing :) |
| 01:43.49 | memunkey | lilltiger, not a problem if you really eat. and Jucato, FYI, I have been using IRC longer than Linux - since about 1995 (Linux since 1996) |
| 01:44.16 | memunkey | KDE 4.0.1 does not respond to my mouse or keyboard |
| 01:44.23 | Jucato | memunkey: no problem. I'm just saying that you're always welcome in other channels for offtopic chat. just not this one :) |
| 01:44.23 | memunkey | http://pastebin.ca/968454 |
| 01:44.41 | memunkey | those were the first two messages, lilltiger |
| 01:45.19 | memunkey | Jucato, I know. I try to stay on topic most of the time. |
| 01:46.03 | Jucato | :P |
| 01:46.03 | memunkey | moderate, functional ADHD and all (need more caffeine to tranquilize my brain) |
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| 01:48.00 | lilltiger | memunkey: does it happen when you try to write something in an terminal? |
| 01:48.29 | memunkey | lilltiger, the KDE crash? Put it this way... NOTHING works |
| 01:49.02 | lilltiger | memunkey: does KDE startup at all? |
| 01:49.07 | memunkey | no keyboard response, not even Ctrl-Alt_F6 or Ctrl-Alt-Del will break out of it |
| 01:49.30 | lilltiger | yes but it all works untill you touch the keyboard? |
| 01:49.32 | memunkey | KDE starts, and as soon as the desktop is finished loading, the mouse cursor freezes |
| 01:49.42 | lilltiger | ohh the mouse as well hmm |
| 01:50.02 | Jucato | hm.. could it be related to compositing/effects? |
| 01:50.24 | lilltiger | i think it's the XKB bug |
| 01:50.28 | memunkey | I tried the laptop's touchpad and my Rocketfish Bluetooth mouse |
| 01:51.03 | memunkey | it only works this way in KDE 4. 3.5.8 worked |
| 01:51.32 | lilltiger | memunkey: did you update the xserver when you updated KDE? |
| 01:51.39 | memunkey | That is why I had a 3.5.8 desktop inside my 4.0.1 desktop (just so the mouse would work) |
| 01:51.49 | graft_ | memunkey: how do you know X is working at all then? |
| 01:51.54 | memunkey | lilltiger, I am running xorg 1.4 |
| 01:52.18 | memunkey | graft_ umm... I am using xfce right now, and using xchat |
| 01:52.18 | graft_ | memunkey: can you like ssh in and open windows on that display? |
| 01:52.31 | lilltiger | memunkey: 1.4 has meny sub releases |
| 01:52.46 | graft_ | memunkey: no, i mean, 'mouse and keyboard not responding' might be indistinguishable from 'x locks up when kde starts' |
| 01:52.46 | shabnam | ^^ |
| 01:54.01 | lilltiger | and I guess it's the XKB issue as you have 1.4.0.90 and others have had the same issue.. |
| 01:54.07 | lilltiger | with that server |
| 01:54.11 | memunkey | xorg-server-1.4.0.90 |
| 01:54.43 | lilltiger | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14529 |
| 01:55.10 | lilltiger | btw are you using an wacom(spelling?)? |
| 01:55.18 | memunkey | graft_ no, the same machine worked perfectly fine when I was running KDE 3.5.8, and works perfectly fine with XFCE and other window managers. Just KDE 4. |
| 01:55.29 | memunkey | I tried the laptop's touchpad and my Rocketfish Bluetooth mouse |
| 01:56.40 | lilltiger | memunkey: but when you updated KDE you probly updated xorg-server as well.. wich is the issue at hand |
| 01:57.08 | graft_ | memunkey: i understand what you're saying, but how do you know it's a mouse-and-keyboard issue and not an x-locking-up issue? |
| 01:57.10 | memunkey | lilltiger, I manually update my packages. |
| 01:57.37 | memunkey | I run a Slackware derivative, not an auto-breaking --- err auto updating -- distro |
| 01:57.55 | lilltiger | memunkey: hmm ok, well and before it never ever crashed like this? |
| 01:58.21 | memunkey | no, not until I built and installed KDE 4. |
| 01:59.03 | memunkey | It could be something that I built wrong or a bug which only shows up on some x86_64 machines, too. |
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| 02:00.18 | lilltiger | Well it sounds and looks like the XKB issue that has arised latly.. first it was only for wacom users but now more and more is starting to experience it.. so they probly have an nasty UB somewhere in the xkb-code |
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| 02:01.08 | lilltiger | memunkey: try to upgrade/downgrade the xorg-server and the xkb package |
| 02:01.54 | memunkey | lilltiger, I have the right version for my distro. If I change the xorg server, I will break all the other window managers |
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| 02:02.12 | lilltiger | memunkey: why would it? |
| 02:03.28 | lilltiger | there is no API/ABI incompatibly between the different 1.4.x releases of the server' |
| 02:04.36 | memunkey | well, I have to download the source, compile it as a package, and send the modified build script up to the distro maintainer |
| 02:05.14 | lilltiger | memunkey: you could also try to create a whole new user and login with it to see that it's not any old config files that is messing it up |
| 02:05.51 | lilltiger | memunkey: why would you need to do all that just to try if that the issue.. just compile it and test it.. |
| 02:06.02 | MuJ | =D |
| 02:06.23 | MuJ | this is one feature that we need to add to kopete |
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| 02:06.39 | lilltiger | memunkey: if that solves the issue then you send an message to the distro maintainer making him/her aware if the issue |
| 02:06.40 | memunkey | lilltiger, I removed all of the kde 3.5.8 packages and the 4.0.1 packages and reinstalled the 4.0.1 packages |
| 02:06.54 | MuJ | "Chechkin computer for KDE Liv Programs. this may take few minutes." |
| 02:07.37 | lilltiger | memunkey: that wont change any of the users settings would it.. as /home/ is protected from application config removal in most distros |
| 02:07.45 | MuJ | meanwhile you can check if you want to download "Write 5Mb" "Mail 15Mb" "Toolbar 5Mb" etc.... =D |
| 02:08.22 | graft_ | are all those new plasma theme features (like the ones for the Aya theme) in 4.0.3? |
| 02:08.50 | MuJ | mail 15mb? why is it so big? I though smtp and pop are pretty simple protocols |
| 02:08.56 | lilltiger | MuJ: that is distro based I think never heard of KDE Liv |
| 02:09.03 | memunkey | lilltiger, Slackware can be (and is on my system) configured to use a central configuration file, across all users. Hence adding a user has no effect. |
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| 02:09.12 | MuJ | lilltiger: that was microsoft live messenger |
| 02:09.24 | MuJ | lilltiger: on windows xp |
| 02:09.37 | MuJ | lilltiger: I just found this funny =) |
| 02:10.16 | lilltiger | memunkey: err so you have no .kde in your home folder.. so if you change lets say the kopete account or kmail accounts it changes for all users? |
| 02:10.56 | memunkey | no, I do have a .kde folder, but I deleted it when I installed 4 |
| 02:11.06 | lilltiger | MuJ: ohh ok :) yhee I have done that as well so annoying.. uses xp for gaming like twice a month :) |
| 02:11.09 | memunkey | it recreated properly |
| 02:11.40 | lilltiger | memunkey: yes, but ther might be other settings for the xserver |
| 02:12.11 | lilltiger | memunkey: and to make a new user and try with it is easy and something one always should try.. |
| 02:12.41 | MuJ | lilltiger: this is for my friend.. who plays ET!! (which you can play on linux) but he is still suspicious |
| 02:13.21 | MuJ | Enemy Territory if somebody was wondering :) |
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| 02:13.59 | memunkey | lilltiger, as I said before, I have been using Linux for a while. I did all of those things. |
| 02:14.43 | lilltiger | memunkey: I doubt that, if you had you would have said it first time i suggested it. |
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| 02:16.38 | lilltiger | memunkey: but as I said erlier it's probly the XKB issue and only way to get around it is t try another version of the xorg server |
| 02:16.52 | lilltiger | and xkb-utils and friends |
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| 02:19.58 | memunkey | okay, where do I get the source packages for the newest version of the server? |
| 02:20.30 | memunkey | as I said before, there are no Slamd64 packages for anything beyond what I have - 1.4.0.90 |
| 02:22.08 | lilltiger | the xorg page should have em |
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| 02:22.37 | lilltiger | and the problem might be that the server is to new.. and the XKB issue isent marked resolved yet |
| 02:24.08 | lilltiger | and only a few people runs into the xkb bug.. i run 1.4.0.90 just fine |
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| 02:26.27 | lilltiger | t also seems to bet there in 1.4.1 :( |
| 02:26.33 | lilltiger | -t |
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| 02:29.02 | lilltiger | well time to go to sleep |
| 02:31.48 | Jucato | Just a friendly advertisement: #kde for KDE user support questions and #kde-chat for friendly offtopic conversation. Thank you :) |
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| 03:13.16 | mika__ | hi .. I'm currently using kde 4.0.2 on suse 10.3 |
| 03:13.31 | mika__ | suddenly the bottom bar disapeared ... how could I get it back :) |
| 03:13.38 | mika__ | I kinda like that thing :) |
| 03:14.43 | memunkey | mika__, did you maybe scroll up on your desktop? scroll down to the bottom of the page... |
| 03:15.21 | memunkey | if that doesn't work, try checking to see if you minimized it. |
| 03:15.49 | mika__ | memunkey ... how the scrolling works, and how can I maximize it in case minimized ? |
| 03:17.05 | memunkey | if you have a higher desktop resolution than your monitor, you can get a 'scrolling' problem. |
| 03:17.29 | memunkey | that's an X issue, not necessarily a KDE one. |
| 03:17.34 | mika__ | memunkey .. my desktop resolution is 1260 x 1024 and monitor can do that .. I dont think its scrolling |
| 03:18.06 | memunkey | okay, KDE 3 allowed you to 'minimize' or collapse the taskbar |
| 03:18.13 | mika__ | memunkey ... how could I maximize it ... sorry I'm kinda new to KDE, been using gnome more |
| 03:18.34 | mika__ | memunkey ... kde3 works fine |
| 03:18.36 | memunkey | check to see if there is a little bar on one side of the screen or the other |
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| 03:19.04 | blauzahl | in 4.0.2 i don't think you can do that. |
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| 03:19.17 | memunkey | broke kde 4, so I can't check |
| 03:19.20 | blauzahl | not implemented yet, sorry. ;) |
| 03:19.24 | blauzahl | is on 4.0.2 atm |
| 03:19.37 | memunkey | ah, okay. |
| 03:19.54 | memunkey | I am building 4.0.2 now |
| 03:20.17 | mika__ | memunkey ... someone in suse channel talked something about reloading kicker ... |
| 03:21.09 | memunkey | is still a bit new to KDE 4. KDE 3.3 was my first KDE - I used to use ENlightenment |
| 03:22.42 | memunkey | KDE updates don't make it to Slackware until they are stable, and Slamd64 stays current with Slackware (maybe a bit ahead in some ways) |
| 03:23.01 | mika__ | memunkey .. I launced kicker ... heh got back the KDE3 bottom bar |
| 03:24.32 | mika__ | memunkey ... I was using ubuntu long time .. with gnome ... then just wanted to test KDE4 and changed to suse |
| 03:24.47 | graft_ | mika__: did plasma crash? there's no kicker any more |
| 03:24.55 | graft_ | mika__: it's just part of the plasma desktop |
| 03:25.33 | memunkey | graft_ if he's running suse, it might be an older version... |
| 03:25.48 | mika__ | graft ... I have KDE 4.0.2 |
| 03:26.07 | mika__ | graft ... can I see if plasma is running from ps ax ? |
| 03:26.25 | graft_ | mika__: you oughta be able to |
| 03:26.29 | memunkey | mika__, 4.0.2 has several subversions as well. |
| 03:26.41 | graft_ | it does? no it doesn't |
| 03:26.44 | graft_ | only distro-specific ones |
| 03:26.45 | mika__ | graft ... I can see that plasma is running |
| 03:27.18 | mika__ | graft ... can I restart plasma somehow ? |
| 03:27.21 | graft_ | mika__: can you add widgets to the desktop and such? |
| 03:27.24 | memunkey | graft_, hence he might still have kicker |
| 03:27.45 | graft_ | memunkey: there's no kicker in kde4 at all |
| 03:28.03 | graft_ | mika__: yeah just kill it and run it again in your shell |
| 03:28.29 | mika__ | graft ... ahaa ... ok so I'll kill kicker and restart plasma |
| 03:28.35 | mika__ | graft ... thanks I will try that |
| 03:28.50 | NeoMIRV | Any of you guys have trouble with desktop icons in kde 4? |
| 03:29.19 | memunkey | msssst sleeeep.... |
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| 03:30.58 | graft_ | desktop icons? |
| 03:31.06 | mika__ | graft .. hmm, plasma would not start ... should I be root to start that or the user I'm logged in |
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| 03:31.18 | graft_ | mika__: user, definitely |
| 03:31.30 | graft_ | mika__: why won't it start? |
| 03:31.53 | mika__ | graft .. I was root ... anyways ... I started it as a user |
| 03:32.08 | mika__ | graft ... still no bottom bar ... it gave me some errors tho |
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| 03:32.22 | mika__ | graft ... findServiceByDesktopPath: not found |
| 03:32.36 | graft_ | mika__: yeah it gives lots of errors |
| 03:32.44 | mika__ | graft .. Object::connect: No such signal Plasma::Icon::activated() |
| 03:33.46 | graft_ | mika__: is the process still running? |
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| 03:34.13 | mika__ | graft .. yes its running |
| 03:34.27 | graft_ | can you add widgets to the desktop and such? |
| 03:34.47 | mika__ | graft .. yep I can, only thing that is missing is the bottom panel (bar) |
| 03:35.03 | mika__ | graft .. the one that used to be kicker in KDE3 |
| 03:35.37 | mika__ | graft ... I have the icons and right top corner widget thing |
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| 03:36.25 | mika__ | graft ... I was kinda looking if the bottom panel is in widget list so I could add it perhaps ... but I'm not that familiar with KDE4 |
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| 03:37.03 | graft_ | mika__: huh strange. it's not a normal widget, i think it should be there by default |
| 03:37.18 | graft_ | although i'm guessing they'll make it a configurable thing soon enough |
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| 03:37.56 | graft_ | mika__: if you're not attached to your config, you could try deleting your .kde4/share/config/plasmarc and seeing if that helps |
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| 03:38.33 | graft_ | mika__: or maybe your plasma-appletsrc |
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| 03:44.03 | mika__ | graft .. I will try that ... need to go for a while, thanks for your help |
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| 05:12.33 | DaSkreech | Arghh |
| 05:12.43 | DaSkreech | Anyone on 4.0.3? |
| 05:12.48 | DaSkreech | Using Kopete? |
| 05:13.51 | SAS_Spidey01 | DaSkreech: I hope Kopete hasn't gotten worse in KDE4... |
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| 05:14.28 | DaSkreech | SAS_Spidey01: No worse I think just not much better |
| 05:14.37 | SAS_Spidey01 | DaSkreech: fair enough I guess |
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| 05:17.08 | DaSkreech | ^+Shift+I doesn't work anymore :( |
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| 05:18.47 | SAS_Spidey01 | What did it do before? |
| 05:20.52 | SAS_Spidey01 | eventually gave up on kopete after a year and installed pidgin |
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| 05:26.53 | ganymede | does anyone know how i can disable or skip the welcome screen in konqueror 3.5.9? |
| 05:27.13 | Jucato | welcome screen? |
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| 05:27.59 | ganymede | it's blue and says Welcome \n Conquer your Desktop! |
| 05:28.53 | Jucato | aaah |
| 05:28.53 | ganymede | i'd like it instead start up into my home directory or about:blank |
| 05:29.10 | Jucato | Konqueror introduction. |
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| 05:29.32 | madkhen | hi, i use kubuntu and upgraded to kde4. is there a way to import configurations from kde3? |
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| 05:29.47 | Jucato | ganymede: well, open up Konqueror. make sure no other tab is open. go to the page you want to use, then Settings -> Save View Profile |
| 05:29.54 | Jucato | madkhen: #kubuntu-kde4 please |
| 05:30.08 | madkhen | ok thanks |
| 05:30.19 | ganymede | Jucato: thanks, that worked |
| 05:30.19 | Jucato | madkhen: and configurations from kde3 apps and kde4 apps are not guaranteed to be compatible |
| 05:30.52 | DaSkreech | SAS_Spidey01: I figure that won't help Kopete get better |
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| 05:30.59 | DaSkreech | And really ti works it just is annoying |
| 05:31.07 | ganymede | Jucato: i've never really understood how view profiles worked...when i just type in "konqeror" on the command line, then it chooses web browsing? |
| 05:31.15 | DaSkreech | Jucato: Is there a way to get settigns from KDE3 to KDE4 ? |
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| 05:31.30 | Jucato | DaSkreech: cp :) |
| 05:31.35 | DaSkreech | :-) |
| 05:31.46 | Jucato | ganymede: I think "konqueror" defaults to use the webbrowsing profile |
| 05:31.57 | Jucato | hasn't actually gotten to the innards of how it chooses and where it's set |
| 05:32.32 | ganymede | there are a lot of default profiles that i want to get rid of but the delete button is disabled... |
| 05:32.35 | Jucato | ganymede: my hunch is in the .desktop file for Konqueror |
| 05:32.53 | ganymede | oh okay, you just answered my next question... |
| 05:33.00 | ganymede | how to get a minimalist set of view profiles |
| 05:33.18 | ganymede | since i never use the developers one and simple tabbed browsing or whatever, even when i'm developing |
| 05:33.22 | Jucato | default/global profiles are stored in $KDEDIR/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/ |
| 05:33.39 | ganymede | i guess i only use file management and web browsing or something like that |
| 05:34.05 | ganymede | the google toolbar disappears when i'm browsing my home directory. does that indicate that i'm in a different view profile than when the google bar DOES appear? |
| 05:35.06 | Jucato | nothing to do with profiles but with the view itself (like viewing a web page) |
| 05:35.20 | Jucato | search bar only appears when viewing a web page (View mode -> KHTML) |
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| 05:38.14 | ganymede | Jucato: can i ask it to be there always? |
| 05:38.22 | Jucato | nope |
| 05:38.34 | Jucato | there's a better way to have that |
| 05:38.55 | Jucato | you can type "gg:search terms" in the location/address bar itself |
| 05:39.03 | Jucato | (wp: for wikipedia searches) |
| 05:39.19 | Jucato | you can also make Google your default search engine so that you won't have to type the gg: anymore |
| 05:39.27 | ganymede | Jucato: yes, i know, but i guess i'd prefer to not even have to write gg: |
| 05:39.41 | Jucato | see my last line :) |
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| 05:40.05 | ganymede | Jucato: i write gg: and wp: when i do alt+f2, but puncuation is always hard since i freqently switch between qwerty and dvorak keyboards |
| 05:40.31 | Jucato | ganymede: I presume <space> is the same key in either layout? ) |
| 05:40.44 | Jucato | ganymede: 1. you can choose to use space instead of : |
| 05:40.45 | ganymede | Jucato: oh okay, i can just type in my search terms into the location bar, didn't know that |
| 05:40.52 | ganymede | thanks for the information |
| 05:41.03 | Jucato | 2. you can make google the default engine so you don't have to type gg: or "gg " |
| 05:41.21 | ganymede | now i feel very very lazy and ashamed when you put it that way |
| 05:41.30 | Jucato | :P |
| 05:41.42 | Jucato | hey it's KDE! you can be lazy with it :P |
| 05:41.50 | Jucato | and let it do things for you :) |
| 05:42.13 | ganymede | although wp<space>test doesn't bring me to same page as wp:test |
| 05:42.55 | ganymede | i'm not sure it'd be wise to default to allowing space instead of colon in case someone actually wants to search for the words gg and test or wp and test |
| 05:42.58 | Jucato | hold on let me test |
| 05:43.59 | Jucato | works here |
| 05:44.16 | Jucato | your choice of laziness :) |
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| 05:45.45 | ganymede | hmm...oh well, very minor issue |
| 05:45.58 | ganymede | i guess pecking around for colon isn't too bad since there are only two options |
| 05:46.24 | ganymede | either i mistype and hit Z or i mistype and hit S |
| 05:46.37 | ganymede | dvorak/qwerty |
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| 05:47.08 | alanic | how do I tell kde to make gtk applications use my kde theme? |
| 05:47.31 | ganymede | alanic: i think there is gtk-engines-qt, but it's not perfect |
| 05:47.50 | ganymede | alanic: also, qt-curve is a style that is available for both qt and gtk, if that's an option |
| 05:48.02 | alanic | how do I select a theme for gtk then? |
| 05:48.41 | ganymede | i don't remember if gtk-themes-qt installs a kcontrol module to select gtk themes... |
| 05:48.56 | ganymede | maybe that's distro-specific... |
| 05:49.00 | Jucato | it does |
| 05:49.59 | alanic | if I don't have gtk-themes-qt installed, do I need to switch to gnome to change the gtk style? |
| 05:50.34 | Jucato | if you have gnome installed, then just run their control center and change things from there |
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| 06:01.04 | DaSkreech | root__: Don't IRC as Root!! |
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| 06:14.38 | ganymede | do you like |
| 06:14.43 | ganymede | do hourly checks? |
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| 06:14.55 | Jucato | huh? |
| 06:15.00 | ganymede | cause that was almost exactly on the hour |
| 06:15.08 | ganymede | in regards to people ircing as root |
| 06:15.34 | Jucato | nah. he's just obsessed with that :) |
| 06:15.47 | Jucato | doesn't really notice sometimes... |
| 06:16.09 | DaSkreech | I'm not obssesed! |
| 06:16.16 | DaSkreech | pinotree and troy always do it |
| 06:16.24 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.37 | DaSkreech | I figure it's community service |
| 06:16.44 | DaSkreech | Get that judge off my back |
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| 06:17.15 | Jucato | gets a shotgun... Where? |
| 06:18.58 | DaSkreech | In the Korner! |
| 06:19.17 | Jucato | shoots the korner of DaSkreech's groin |
| 06:19.26 | DaSkreech | ~Argh |
| 06:19.26 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, argh is frustrating |
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| 06:19.37 | DaSkreech | I hate regressions |
| 06:19.41 | Jucato | DaSkreech: btw, there's also ~root |
| 06:19.49 | Jucato | I don't know if apt takes | or > do |
| 06:19.51 | DaSkreech | ~root |
| 06:19.52 | apt | well, root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. |
| 06:19.52 | Jucato | s/do/though/ |
| 06:20.13 | Jucato | ~root | DaSkreech |
| 06:20.14 | apt | ACTION uses a keylogger to pwnz all | DaSkreech 's boxen. |
| 06:20.15 | DaSkreech | pats apt's head |
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| 06:20.18 | Jucato | nope... |
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| 06:20.48 | DaSkreech | ~root rohanpm |
| 06:20.49 | apt | ACTION uses a keylogger to pwnz all rohanpm 's boxen. |
| 06:20.56 | DaSkreech | That's good enough |
| 06:21.17 | Jucato | poor roherrim :) |
| 06:21.23 | rohanpm | Hmm, scary |
| 06:21.39 | rohanpm | makes note to burn this computer before going home |
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| 06:22.02 | DaSkreech | apt response :) |
| 06:22.22 | Jucato | puns... |
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| 06:25.25 | naught101 | http://kontact.kde.org/ has very old news |
| 06:25.54 | DaSkreech | nods |
| 06:26.09 | DaSkreech | Offering to be the update webmaster? |
| 06:26.44 | DaSkreech | Jucato: Night man |
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| 06:26.52 | Jucato | good night DaSkreech |
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| 06:49.44 | erik-k | Has anyone else been experiencing a hard crash in kde4? I'm getting less than half an hour's use before I have to physically power cycle the box to get it going again |
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| 06:59.44 | YazzY | good morning |
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| 07:00.30 | YazzY | i've a quick question about Kmail, I set up my accounts as Disconnected IMAP and I have problems commiting my changes e.g moving messages to different folders between kmail clients |
| 07:00.43 | YazzY | they dont see the changes made in other kmail |
| 07:00.54 | YazzY | ctrl+l does not help |
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| 07:08.41 | a2h | bleh. does kde4 have a startup sound? |
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| 07:09.28 | Jucato | yep (at least last I checked in 4.0.1) |
| 07:09.43 | a2h | well there's none for me |
| 07:09.47 | Jucato | YazzY: you can try asking in #kontact perhaps |
| 07:09.59 | a2h | no sound for anything using phonon |
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| 07:10.21 | a2h | amarok 1.4 works =/ |
| 07:10.26 | YazzY | Jucato: thanks |
| 07:10.43 | Jucato | well amarok 1.x doesn't use phonon :) |
| 07:10.53 | a2h | exactly... |
| 07:10.55 | Jucato | could you try asking in your distro's channel? |
| 07:11.10 | a2h | you mean this could be because of my distro? |
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| 07:11.16 | Jucato | perhaps others are experiencing similar problems |
| 07:11.32 | Jucato | could be. sound is a flaky thing (like video)... |
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| 07:11.56 | Jucato | and since it seems to work for others as well (haven't heard any complaints about startup sounds until now) |
| 07:12.08 | a2h | coincidentally |
| 07:12.24 | a2h | amarok2 windows does not play anything on my computer. |
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| 07:12.42 | a2h | kde4 is installed on another computer |
| 07:14.06 | Jucato | sounds like a phonon problem... no pun intended :) |
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| 07:35.32 | a2h | holy crap. i just logged out of kde3 and into kde4 and it played a sound. |
| 07:35.52 | a2h | and i never even touched the config settings. |
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| 07:39.29 | lintel | my distro puts ugly icons into the Kmenu -- how can I restore the original KDE icon set? |
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| 07:40.37 | Jucato | depends on how your distro put those "ugly icons". (no idea what you mean though). You can change icon themes in KControl -> Appearance & Themes -> Icons |
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| 07:56.31 | MaxHR | Hello, how do I get the zoom option to appear when viewing a jpg in konq? |
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| 08:02.42 | kruq | like on a toolbar? |
| 08:03.23 | MaxHR | kruq: yes, the toolbar shows only web browsing buttons |
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| 08:03.58 | kruq | are there any toolbars not active in "settings --> toolbars"? |
| 08:04.12 | kruq | took some training to get my konq to show all the toolbars as default |
| 08:04.30 | MaxHR | nope... I was more hoping for some kpart associated with images to load, some plugin or such thing |
| 08:04.30 | kruq | maybe try a different profile |
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| 08:04.54 | Jucato | check if a KDE image viewer is installed, like Gwenview |
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| 08:05.45 | MaxHR | I only have showfoto and digikam installed, what viewers integrate into konq well? |
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| 08:06.18 | Jucato | gwenview, kview |
| 08:06.31 | Jucato | showfoto doesn't have a kpart I think |
| 08:08.03 | MaxHR | Jucato: thx, I will get those |
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| 08:46.43 | Kalidarn | im getting "Bad Passphrase" in kmail all the time when trying to sign email, it used to work, and it seems that gpg-agent isn't running |
| 08:46.47 | Kalidarn | or something like that. |
| 08:47.01 | Kalidarn | http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2007/03/annoying-signing-failed-bad-passphrase.html i read about it here |
| 08:47.23 | Kalidarn | it seems to work fine in KDE3, but when i load a KDE4 session it doesn't work, it used to. and yes i've asked in the gentoo channel. |
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| 09:09.32 | KRF | is it possible to blank the screen in dcop without immediately asking for a password? `dcop kdesktop KScreensaverIface lock` asks for a password after keypress |
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| 09:10.27 | pinotree | kdesktop_lock --forcelock ? |
| 09:12.08 | KRF | pinotree, thanks. --dontlock is what i want |
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| 10:53.37 | lemma | hi there. |
| 10:54.00 | lemma | is it possible for phonon to use a sound device specified in an .asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf? |
| 10:55.01 | pinotree | lemma: #phonon |
| 10:55.05 | lemma | thx :) |
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| 11:14.19 | annma | hi channel |
| 11:14.37 | annma | feels in a friendly mood |
| 11:14.44 | lemma | hi there |
| 11:14.45 | pusling | waves to annma |
| 11:14.46 | sandsmark | hi |
| 11:15.04 | annma | :) |
| 11:15.09 | sandsmark | =D |
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| 11:24.14 | moses | Hello! I've added a second panel and a taskbar applet to it. I'd like to get this bar to autohide but if I right click -> configure -> Hiding -> enable it only hide's the primary panel which is not what I want. Is this possible to fix? |
| 11:25.43 | remur_bln | moses: let me guess, kde3.5? |
| 11:25.58 | moses | 3.5.9 |
| 11:26.25 | moses | think it's possible? :) |
| 11:26.36 | remur_bln | moses: ok, I am not running kde3 currently, but you need to open the command center and there "appearence" or so |
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| 11:26.45 | remur_bln | yes it is |
| 11:26.55 | remur_bln | try finding a dialog to set the hide etc things |
| 11:27.11 | moses | Panels -> Hiding |
| 11:27.11 | remur_bln | if you open this you'll notice a drop down list at the top end |
| 11:27.33 | remur_bln | sounds good =) |
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| 11:28.34 | moses | remur_bln: remur_bln that strangely enough only hides the primary panel, not the second panel I've added |
| 11:28.54 | moses | which is a panel containing taskbar only |
| 11:28.57 | remur_bln | you need to open this through the command center, if you do it with right click it wont work |
| 11:29.14 | moses | oh |
| 11:29.44 | remur_bln | are you using kdemod on arch linux by chance? |
| 11:30.06 | moses | searching |
| 11:30.12 | moses | remur_bln: yup :) |
| 11:30.35 | remur_bln | ya, it is known, wait I'll look up the forum entry |
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| 11:32.00 | moses | hmm |
| 11:32.05 | remur_bln | http://kdemod.ath.cx/bbs/viewtopic.php?id=529 |
| 11:32.17 | moses | think I found it |
| 11:32.40 | moses | got it :) |
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| 11:33.31 | moses | Should've noticed that dropdown menu before... Thanks for your help remur_bln |
| 11:33.51 | remur_bln | good, I wonder if it is kdemod specific, as i can't think of a way they introduced problem that with a patch |
| 11:33.59 | remur_bln | welcome |
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| 11:39.07 | phao | why Lucidatypewriter font isn't appearing on the kde choose font menu? |
| 11:39.10 | phao | kate* |
| 11:39.56 | phao | I can see it in xfontsel program, and I use it on xterm and emacs. |
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| 11:46.32 | Isil`Zha | hallo. how can i get konsole to stop beeping? i tried setting the notifications but it didn't help. |
| 11:46.45 | Isil`Zha | i would prefer it to flash or post a message |
| 11:47.38 | Isil`Zha | message for an inactive konsole would be nice indeed |
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| 12:03.04 | klando | hello, I use the shortcut to wordrefence in konqueror, is there an applet to have something similar in the deskbar ? |
| 12:03.11 | goodbit | How do I tell KDE not to save my desktop's state when I log out? |
| 12:03.23 | klando | it does by default, goodbit |
| 12:03.29 | klando | ah, misreading |
| 12:04.07 | klando | goodbit, session manager in the control center |
| 12:04.23 | klando | in KDE component |
| 12:04.35 | goodbit | Ah, thanks Klando. |
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| 12:05.07 | goodbit | Alright, reboot time. |
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| 12:08.31 | HamishTPB | How do I add a protocol to Konqeror in KDE4? (Kubuntu Hardy Beta) |
| 12:09.27 | maki_d | protocol? |
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| 12:10.20 | HamishTPB | maki_d: yes, in KDE3/Konq3 lastfm:// addresses auto open in amarok - I want to do the same in Konq 4 |
| 12:11.01 | pinotree | it needs to be ported to kde4 |
| 12:11.03 | HamishTPB | ah |
| 12:11.16 | HamishTPB | so the kio slave doesnt exist yet? |
| 12:11.22 | pinotree | no idea |
| 12:11.25 | HamishTPB | ok |
| 12:11.27 | pinotree | #amarok |
| 12:11.28 | HamishTPB | thanks anyway chaps |
| 12:11.34 | HamishTPB | good idea, thanks |
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| 12:13.33 | klando | nobody aware of a wordrefence.com applet ? |
| 12:13.40 | klando | wordreference.com |
| 12:13.50 | klando | (no it is not spamlink :-D) |
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| 12:14.54 | pinotree | is not aware of such applet |
| 12:15.19 | pinotree | kde3 or kde4, btw? did you try taking a look at www.kde-apps.org ? |
| 12:16.04 | JordanC | klando: I thought you said "spermalink" then XD |
| 12:16.39 | klando | JordanC, have you hear about Freud ? :p |
| 12:17.07 | klando | pinotree, kde3 |
| 12:17.12 | JordanC | Yeah, I actually had to study his works for a module in university klando |
| 12:17.15 | klando | I look further at the website |
| 12:17.25 | JordanC | You're referring to a "freudian slip" , right? |
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| 12:17.33 | klando | JordanC, you find an university with my name ? sooooo nice |
| 12:17.40 | JordanC | :P |
| 12:18.00 | klando | eheh |
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| 12:18.55 | klando | pinotree, nothing by googling kde-apps |
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| 12:41.16 | Owner | is anyone aware of problems starting kde4 in a second x server |
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| 12:47.03 | lemma | Owner: works fine for me. |
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| 12:48.03 | lemma | Owner: launching kde4 nested in xephyr is also described on the techbase |
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| 12:49.26 | Owner | "xinit /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde -- :1" does not work for me as of kde4.0.2 |
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| 12:50.37 | Owner | the welcome/start screen comes up then the screen goes black |
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| 12:50.53 | cbr | hi, could anybody help me with kde-related network trouble? |
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| 12:51.06 | thiago | don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 12:51.22 | lemma | Owner: maybe that's related to your graphics settings (like composite) |
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| 12:52.30 | cbr | I chose the "Configure manually" option in KNetworkManager's menu once.. and set some IP's manually from there.. after that I set them to auto, dhcp again in the knetworkconf module.. but now KNetworkManager always shows that the wired device should be manually configured and doesnt launch dhcp |
| 12:52.34 | Owner | lemma: possible but I havnt changed xorg.conf, any reason it would stop as of the kde4.0.2 update |
| 12:52.52 | lemma | Owner: sorry, don't know... |
| 12:52.53 | cbr | so I have to launch dhclient manually every time |
| 12:53.02 | cbr | because knetworkmanager thinks it's configured manually |
| 12:53.02 | lemma | Owner: but I guess it's not related to the 2nd X running |
| 12:53.24 | cbr | how can i talk some sense into knetworkmanager? |
| 12:54.06 | Owner | lemma: correct x starts fine but something is going wrong when kde draws to the second x server |
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| 12:54.33 | lemma | Owner: I'd try disabling composite for kde4 first |
| 12:55.06 | lemma | Owner: I found the settings in ~/.kde4/share/config/kwinrc - [Compositing] Enabled=true|false |
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| 12:57.57 | Owner | lemma: thanks Ill try disabling composite |
| 12:57.58 | cbr | so nobody familiar with networking, huh? |
| 12:58.08 | lemma | Owner: you're welcome. good luck |
| 12:58.28 | lemma | cbr: I just guess not everyone's using knetworkmanager |
| 12:58.59 | Jucato | or no one's here that's familiar with it |
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| 12:59.23 | Jucato | cbr: you can try asking in your distro channel. openSUSE and Kubuntu use it by default afaik |
| 13:00.11 | Isil`Zha | i can't get konsole to stop beeping. i checked its notifications. there no sounds are set to play in any occasion. what am i missing? |
| 13:01.22 | Jucato | Isil`Zha: Settings -> Bell -> None? |
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| 13:06.35 | Isil`Zha | Jucato: ... i must have been blind... thank you! |
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| 13:06.55 | Jucato | gives Isil`Zha some spare eyes... |
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| 13:07.39 | lemma | Isil`Zha: admittedly it's easier to find on kde4 :) |
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| 13:21.57 | Tatenda | hey there |
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| 13:23.04 | Tatenda | yo taupter..wats up |
| 13:23.36 | Jucato | hm? |
| 13:24.10 | Tatenda | i'm new |
| 13:24.14 | taupter | Tatenda: Hi there. |
| 13:24.22 | Tatenda | where u from |
| 13:24.31 | Tatenda | @taupter |
| 13:24.33 | Jucato | Tatenda: this isn't a social chatroom |
| 13:24.49 | Jucato | #kde is for KDE User Support. #kde-chat is for offtopic conversations |
| 13:25.06 | taupter | Tatenda: Just the usual, typing mymonography. ;) |
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| 13:26.22 | Tatenda | thanks...i need help with something, hope u can help...how can one send winpopup messages from a linux pc |
| 13:27.14 | annma | wimpopup messages? what are those? |
| 13:27.17 | taupter | Tatenda: Right now I'm busy with my monography, I hope other people can address it with you. |
| 13:27.29 | lemma | Tatenda: smbclient -M <name> |
| 13:27.53 | Tatenda | thanks lemma...still new to Linux |
| 13:28.16 | Jucato | annma: same question... :/ |
| 13:28.27 | lemma | Tatenda: there's also 2 apps on kde-apps.org named KLinPopup and Popup that apparently can do this |
| 13:28.38 | lemma | Tatenda: ... if you're asking for a kde app after all |
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| 13:28.48 | jott | doesn't kopete support winpopup? (never used winpopups) |
| 13:28.59 | annma | Jucato: must be broacast mesages on win machines through network |
| 13:29.01 | dwinslow | Tatenda, lemma: Kopete includes winpopup as an account type |
| 13:29.11 | lemma | dwinslow: wow nice. thx :) |
| 13:29.18 | annma | kopete ++ |
| 13:29.21 | Jucato | oh... |
| 13:29.30 | Jucato | kopete-- (can't receive YM file transfers...) |
| 13:29.34 | Jucato | :P |
| 13:29.41 | lemma | I actually haven't used winpopup for like 10 years |
| 13:29.54 | Tatenda | thanks, i'll look it up... |
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| 13:30.58 | libervisco | Hi |
| 13:31.50 | libervisco | My network folders wont work for some reason.. I can't connect, it says "Unable to connect to server. Please check your settings and try again." |
| 13:32.01 | libervisco | What settings I wonder? Connection works.. |
| 13:32.59 | lemma | libervisco: are you referring to shares on a windows server here? |
| 13:33.16 | libervisco | nope, just accessing another machine via ssh |
| 13:33.37 | lemma | libervisco: using konqueror with the sftp protocol? |
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| 13:33.54 | libervisco | yeah |
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| 13:34.11 | libervisco | hmm actually I didn't install sftp myself, just ssh.. |
| 13:34.25 | libervisco | maybe I'm missing some support package? |
| 13:34.33 | lemma | libervisco: which kde version are you on? |
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| 13:35.11 | libervisco | lemma, 3.5.9 |
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| 13:35.45 | lemma | libervisco: have you tried connecting on the command-line using sftp? |
| 13:35.55 | libervisco | using ssh yes |
| 13:36.07 | lemma | libervisco: try "sftp your.box.name" |
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| 13:36.57 | libervisco | lemma, done, it worked on cli.. |
| 13:36.59 | libervisco | hm |
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| 13:37.37 | lemma | strange indeed |
| 13:38.25 | lemma | libervisco: the url you're entering in konqueror is sftp://your.box.name, right? |
| 13:38.53 | libervisco | nope, just trying to "Add a network folder" |
| 13:39.00 | libervisco | gonna try that.. |
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| 13:39.59 | lemma | libervisco: I guess the "Add a network folder" with ssh might not use the sftp protocol but maybe fish |
| 13:40.18 | libervisco | yes, I think it's fish.. |
| 13:40.30 | lemma | libervisco: fish is broken on my box as well :D |
| 13:40.33 | libervisco | so sftp works, but fish doesn't.. I just logged in over sftp using d3lphin |
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| 13:40.39 | libervisco | oh :) |
| 13:40.45 | libervisco | lemma, are you on sid by any chance? |
| 13:40.46 | lemma | libervisco: I don't attribute it to fish though |
| 13:40.54 | lemma | libervisco: affirmative ;D |
| 13:41.02 | libervisco | I see :) |
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| 13:41.22 | libervisco | well no big deal then :) |
| 13:41.25 | libervisco | sftp works |
| 13:41.30 | libervisco | thanks much lemma |
| 13:41.36 | lemma | libervisco: you're welcome |
| 13:42.02 | Jucato | (his nick sounds/looks like a library :) |
| 13:42.24 | libervisco | :D |
| 13:42.59 | lemma | libervisco: found the solution for fish in the debian bug reports. start konqueror using "KDE_FORK_SLAVES=true konqueror" |
| 13:43.31 | lemma | libervisco: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145123 |
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| 13:44.34 | libervisco | thanks |
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| 13:45.48 | lemma | ywyw |
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| 13:54.40 | anyko | hi hi... i am sad, because i like kde and espacily kontact, but kmail couldn't send mail since a long time i try everything, change identities, tsl ssl , none, chance proverider send via telnet (it works) |
| 13:54.58 | Jucato | anyko: have you tried asking in #kontact ? |
| 13:55.20 | Jucato | hasn't had a problem with kmail + gmail (pop3 though) |
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| 13:57.51 | anyko | i do in the moment |
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| 14:14.06 | |val| | hi ! |
| 14:14.09 | |val| | someone ? |
| 14:14.23 | remur_bln | just ask the question =) |
| 14:14.36 | |val| | how can I use lirc without dcop ? |
| 14:14.53 | |val| | on kde4 of course |
| 14:15.13 | |val| | does it works with dbus now ? |
| 14:15.22 | remur_bln | phew, i don't use lirc at all, but lirc should have no dependency on dcop |
| 14:16.12 | |val| | lirc doesn't have dependency, but lirc uses dcop to communicate with kaffeine for example |
| 14:16.33 | |val| | it works well with kde3 |
| 14:16.42 | |val| | but with kde4 -> dcop not found |
| 14:17.17 | remur_bln | hm there is no kaffeine kde4 port yet (or am i mistaken?) |
| 14:17.23 | |val| | no |
| 14:17.28 | |val| | not yet |
| 14:17.50 | remur_bln | then it should use the kdelibs3 anyways, still sporting the good old dcop |
| 14:18.10 | |val| | ok ok |
| 14:18.14 | |val| | thkx |
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| 14:18.30 | |val| | have a god day |
| 14:18.35 | |val| | ++ |
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| 14:19.00 | remur_bln | well i guess it didn't fix your problem yet? |
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| 14:20.14 | |val| | I will use kde3libs and I wait for kaffeine for kde4 |
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| 14:21.28 | Jucato | dragon player is being prepared as the video player for kdemultimedia4 I think |
| 14:22.04 | remur_bln | Jucato: there is already a finished release |
| 14:22.16 | Jucato | oh ok :) |
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| 14:23.00 | remur_bln | atleast it is in trunk -> multimedia |
| 14:23.13 | Jucato | (that's not a finished release...) |
| 14:23.32 | remur_bln | hey |val| there is a #dragonplayer channel, maybe ask there for lirc support? |
| 14:24.00 | remur_bln | Jucato: ya, but a released 2.0.1 version is on their page, i just checked to be sure =) |
| 14:24.29 | Jucato | hehe |
| 14:24.36 | |val| | remur_bln: I have installed kde3 libs and it works well |
| 14:24.52 | |val| | remur_bln: i will see dragonplayer |
| 14:26.05 | Jucato | probably the better question is about making lirc work with dbus and if dragonplayer can be controlled through dbus (which it most likely would) |
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| 14:26.57 | |val| | could be cool ! |
| 14:27.23 | |val| | but with kaffeine I have easy access to dvb devices |
| 14:27.54 | remur_bln | true, I doubt dvb is in the scope for dragonplayer |
| 14:28.04 | |val| | klr |
| 14:28.33 | remur_bln | btw, you use dvb-t? |
| 14:28.50 | |val| | remur_bln: yep |
| 14:28.51 | remur_bln | the last time (like 1 1/2 year ago) it wouldn't succeed channel scanning |
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| 14:29.29 | |val| | I have a usb dvb key since 1 year |
| 14:29.41 | remur_bln | hrmm, sounds like I should check it next time in berlin again :-/ |
| 14:29.43 | |val| | and it works well, kaffeine does the bad work |
| 14:30.14 | |val| | yep |
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| 14:33.47 | remur_bln | is there an k3b mailing list or another way to reach the k3b team? |
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| 14:36.28 | Jucato | remur_bln: maybe there's info in http://k3b.plainblack.com/ |
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| 14:36.51 | Wraithan | I've been kinda searching around a bit, and haven't found what I wanted other than in Rhythmbox, but I was looking for a KDE solution for listening to DAAP streams |
| 14:37.17 | remur_bln | Jucato: I am scimming through that page, but there just seems to be emailing the developers one at a time |
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| 14:38.04 | remur_bln | Wraithan: http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/234-D-is-for-DAAP.html |
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| 14:38.25 | Jucato | remur_bln: you can always email one dev and ask if there's a mailing list or IRC channel :) |
| 14:38.27 | remur_bln | itunes 7 doesn't work |
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| 14:38.40 | thesource | howod u add a app toload when kdeboots |
| 14:38.54 | PhilRod | thesource: see the kde faq (topic) |
| 14:39.15 | remur_bln | Jucato: ya, that's the last resort |
| 14:39.30 | Jucato | PhilRod: which points to kde4 docs... unless that's what he wants :) |
| 14:39.47 | PhilRod | I don't think the docs have changed - they're just incorrect for kde 4 :-) |
| 14:40.30 | thesource | i cant get kde to emereg tomay block in it |
| 14:40.36 | Wraithan | remur_bln: I use firefly media server on my box with all my music stored there, so that isn't a problem :) I don't know how I missed that |
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| 14:41.02 | remur_bln | Wraithan: that turned up pretty quick with google ;) |
| 14:41.05 | Rasi | hi |
| 14:41.15 | Rasi | anyway to turn off the bubbles in kopete for kde4? |
| 14:41.21 | PhilRod | thesource: er, you might want to turn on spell checking in $YOUR_IRC_CLIENT |
| 14:41.31 | Rasi | it is brilliant at ignoring that setting :( |
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| 14:42.23 | Jucato | Rasi: the one in Settings -> Configure -> Behavior -> Events? |
| 14:43.00 | Rasi | yea |
| 14:43.15 | thesource | lol i dont think that works |
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| 14:43.39 | Rasi | i always get those ugly "xxx is away/online/whatever" messages.. and they are not even positioned at the systray :) |
| 14:43.55 | Jucato | those aren't bubbles |
| 14:44.08 | Jucato | Settings -> Configure Notifications |
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| 15:26.07 | stefo | Hi. In KDE3 I once closed my Run Command dialog while it was minimized. Now it always pops up minimized - what can I do? |
| 15:27.12 | remur_bln | stefo: you shouldn't have done this... |
| 15:27.26 | stefo | is it that bad ? o_O |
| 15:28.02 | et | close it while it's open? ;) |
| 15:28.08 | remur_bln | hehe sorry no clue, just making fun |
| 15:28.24 | remur_bln | tried alt+tab? |
| 15:28.31 | stefo | et: sure I tried that, but it doesn't fix it |
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| 15:28.37 | et | heh |
| 15:28.41 | et | reproducable |
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| 15:28.57 | stefo | remur_bln: obviously I can switch to the window, but next time it pops up minimized again |
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| 15:29.37 | remur_bln | stefo: oh |
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| 15:30.40 | remur_bln | i think i remember a problem with windows not saving the latest window status |
| 15:31.05 | remur_bln | konqueror wouldn't open maximized either no matter what |
| 15:34.15 | stefo | et: restarting kdesktop fixes it so I won't be filing a bug against that. |
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| 15:51.52 | jawad | Hi everyone |
| 15:52.00 | dwinslow | hi jawad |
| 15:52.29 | jawad | its good to be on Konversation, I am first time using it. |
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| 15:52.55 | annma | jawad: yes :) |
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| 15:55.10 | jawad | is anyone here using QT4 ? |
| 15:55.20 | annma | yes |
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| 15:56.24 | jawad | great. I want to upgrade from QT3, how can I. I am on fedora8. I used yum but it just updated it to 3.3 |
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| 15:57.02 | annma | you want to upgrade qt for doing what exactly? |
| 15:57.12 | jawad | development in C++ |
| 15:57.21 | annma | only pure Qt? |
| 15:57.35 | annma | if so you can install Qt4 along to Qt3 |
| 15:57.41 | annma | just make yum do it |
| 15:57.53 | annma | #fedora for more precisions |
| 15:57.55 | jawad | can you explain wht you mean by pure QT. |
| 15:58.11 | annma | Qt not QT |
| 15:58.21 | annma | pure Qt is Qt without KDE |
| 15:58.33 | jawad | yes, sorry, I mean Qt. |
| 15:58.50 | annma | == developing Qt only applications, not using kdelibs |
| 15:59.00 | jawad | no, I am, using KDE. |
| 15:59.32 | jawad | and I have kdelibs-3.5 |
| 15:59.47 | annma | you said you want Qt 4 for developing C++ |
| 15:59.54 | jawad | so do you think I need to update KDE as well to get full features of Qt4. |
| 16:00.05 | annma | you're mixing everything |
| 16:00.30 | annma | KDE 4 of course is based on Qt 4 but Qt 4 itself has all the features of Qt 4 |
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| 16:00.39 | Jejem | lol |
| 16:00.41 | jawad | yes, I think so. I am new in this stuff. |
| 16:00.56 | annma | you're mixing developing in and using KDE |
| 16:00.56 | Jejem | don't worry jawad, annma will tell you everything ;) |
| 16:01.15 | annma | you can develop Qt 4 applications on KDE 3 |
| 16:01.27 | jawad | thats what I want. |
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| 16:01.49 | annma | so just install Qt 4 Fedora packages including headers, ask in #fedora |
| 16:01.59 | annma | then do the Qt tutorials if you're new in Qt |
| 16:02.22 | jawad | yes Jejem. Annma is really very corporating. |
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| 16:02.32 | Jejem | she's an angel |
| 16:02.35 | Jejem | but don't tell her ;) |
| 16:03.00 | annma | lol |
| 16:03.30 | Jejem | ;) |
| 16:03.32 | Jejem | annma: you're welcome :D |
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| 16:03.45 | jawad | thanks Annma. I got my first step. |
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| 16:18.39 | slango | is it kosher to ask for K3B help here? |
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| 16:19.15 | PhilRod | here or #k3b |
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| 16:23.39 | slango | #k3b is dead. I used to be able to burn wma files with k3b, now, suddenly it's calling wma an unsupported format... any ideas why? |
| 16:23.55 | thiago | slango: nothing happens all of a sudden |
| 16:24.06 | thiago | what changed in your system between the last time it worked and now? |
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| 16:24.18 | slango | thiago, jeez... it's been a while... tons of updates |
| 16:24.37 | slango | didn't remove any packages that would be relevant |
| 16:24.40 | slango | but I've updated them |
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| 16:29.27 | thiago | slango: you may have dropped WMA support in your system. |
| 16:29.38 | thiago | slango: ask in your distribution's channel to see if they know anything about WMA support. |
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| 17:49.01 | damjan | is there something similar to gnome-osd-client for KDE? or maybe something DE indipendent |
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| 17:49.50 | Aeris | hi! |
| 17:50.13 | Aeris | i have a problem with kdeamin/knetworkconf |
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| 17:50.41 | Aeris | it doesn't save setting, and work even if i remove /etc/network.... |
| 17:51.02 | Aeris | somebody has some clues for this? |
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| 18:02.19 | Aeris | nobody? |
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| 18:03.38 | annma | Aeris: did you ask a question? |
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| 18:04.09 | Aeris | <Aeris> i have a problem with kdeamin/knetworkconf |
| 18:04.09 | Aeris | * silvy (n=silvy@79.7.228.142) a rejoint #kde |
| 18:04.09 | Aeris | <Aeris> it doesn't save setting, and work even if i remove /etc/network.... |
| 18:04.09 | Aeris | <Aeris> somebody has some clues for this? |
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| 18:06.54 | bentob0x | is there a central bookmark thing in KDE? |
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| 18:08.14 | bentob0x | something that all application share (prefered locations/bookmars/etc) |
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| 18:12.14 | *** topic/#kde by annma -> KDE 4.0.3 is out! See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/faq/ | Bug Triage Day: Sunday April 6th from 0:00 UTC in #kde-bugs. Learn the inner secrets of KDE! | Don't flood the channel, use: http://rafb.net/paste | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde ! http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0 |
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| 18:13.14 | dwinslow | bentob0x: the quicklinks that appear in the filechoosers can be shared between apps, iirc |
| 18:13.31 | annma | Aeris: I have no idea about knetworkconf |
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| 18:46.59 | _haxi_ | how to define what window manager I wanna use? kdm gdm etc |
| 18:47.25 | thiago | that's not a window manager |
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| 18:47.34 | thiago | that's a display manager and its selection is not controlled by KDE |
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| 18:47.44 | thiago | please check with your distribution how to select that. |
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| 19:04.08 | nixternal | anyone else have issues when trying to play videos with KDE 4? ie. I get a blue box instead of the video in Kaffeine and Dragon |
| 19:04.56 | annma | I get Xine from Dolphin |
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| 19:05.21 | annma | what module is kaffeine in? |
| 19:05.25 | nixternal | in KDE 3 the videos work fine..in KDE 4 with compositing enabled, I get the blue box of video death :) |
| 19:05.46 | nixternal | I have no idea actually..it is from the KDE 3 era |
| 19:06.21 | annma | Dragon also plays it OK |
| 19:06.41 | annma | maybe it's your video card |
| 19:07.09 | nixternal | Intel...no problems with KDE 3..I think it has something to do with compositing, because iirc I had this same problem when I tried Compiz some time back |
| 19:07.36 | nixternal | all of the Compiz issues say to use Xshm for video output, but that is laggy |
| 19:08.09 | nixternal | mplayer works, however the audio is not in sync with the video |
| 19:08.29 | nixternal | and vlc, it just makes me laugh because all it does is crash :) |
| 19:08.36 | annma | ohh |
| 19:08.49 | annma | I thought vlc was robust |
| 19:08.50 | nixternal | dragon works in kde 3 too |
| 19:08.54 | nixternal | vlc is rojunk |
| 19:09.20 | nixternal | I have never had a good experience with it except for some nasty video codecs |
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| 19:10.20 | annma | ;) yes, I don't like it either but it does the job usually |
| 19:10.48 | nixternal | ya, but it crashes right away for me..as soon as it starts to play the video it dies |
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| 19:14.26 | nixternal | ahh, got vlc to work :) |
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| 19:16.57 | ElemonGW | kdebase (svn - trunk) has been failing to compile for me since a few days ago (log file: http://rafb.net/p/l7xAUL84.html ). anybody else having such a problem? or is it just me and my system setup? |
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| 19:17.58 | boom1992 | ElemonGW: update kdelibs? |
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| 19:23.14 | graft | how long does it take to build from svn? ballpark figure...? |
| 19:23.41 | piggz | hi...the performance of kwin composite is much better now....i only have one problem...i use kaffeine + xine to watch dvb, but the video perfromance is lousy, i tried xv and xshm...opengl wouldnt work at all. Is there any other option i could try? |
| 19:23.42 | annma | depends on your machine CPU and RAM |
| 19:24.04 | annma | graft: ^^ |
| 19:24.37 | graft | okay... it's a 2.6Ghz pentium 4 with 2G ram. what's your guess? |
| 19:25.06 | pinotree | and depends on what you actually want |
| 19:25.16 | annma | maybe 5 hours for qt-kdelibs-kdebase |
| 19:25.23 | pinotree | kdelibs+kdepimlibs+kdebase could take no more than 2 hours |
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| 19:28.58 | nixternal | graft: hahahahahahahahahaha...sorry, not laughing at ya...not even 5 minutes ago we were discussing that |
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| 19:29.05 | adz21c | graft: works fine for me, only time i have issues is when i am compiling |
| 19:29.10 | piggz | bah rubbish wireless, did anyone reply? |
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| 19:29.19 | nixternal | graft: the fact you aren't getting the blue screen in Kaffeine amazes me... |
| 19:29.35 | nixternal | graft: sorry, I mean to laugh at piggz :p |
| 19:29.46 | nixternal | piggz: hahahahahahahahahaha...sorry, not laughing at ya...not even 5 minutes ago we were discussing that |
| 19:29.56 | nixternal | piggz: ^^ that is what you missed when you disconnected there :) |
| 19:30.11 | adz21c | graft: oops wrong person for me too :-P |
| 19:30.19 | nixternal | hehe |
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| 19:30.39 | adz21c | piggz: works fine for me, only time i have issues is when i am compiling, which just makes the video choppy |
| 19:30.49 | nixternal | graft: for your building, if you have a couple of machines, I would recommend using icecream(icecc) |
| 19:31.05 | nixternal | I am able to build out qt-copy, kdesupport, kdelibs, kdepimlibs, kdebase in about an hour |
| 19:31.49 | nixternal | even without icecc, using -j3 with a Pentium D is only a couple of hours typically |
| 19:31.59 | graft | nixternal: i'm not that enterprising... frankly i would have been happy with someone's snapshot from even a month ago |
| 19:32.06 | nixternal | qt-copy, kdelibs, and kdebase are the hogs...kdepimlibs is usually pretty quick for me |
| 19:32.21 | graft | qt-copy is going on two hours now |
| 19:32.25 | nixternal | whoa |
| 19:32.28 | adz21c | ouch |
| 19:32.55 | nixternal | I just did qt-copy in about 30 minutes, but I don't install, just configure, make, and then 'find . -name '*.o' -delete |
| 19:33.13 | nixternal | and use ~/kde/src/qt-copy for my $QTDIR |
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| 19:33.51 | thiago | nixternal: a.k.a "make clean" :-) |
| 19:33.57 | nixternal | hehe |
| 19:34.11 | nixternal | ya, but I have the test script from techbase, so I just run it |
| 19:34.27 | thiago | and the script does find ? |
| 19:34.30 | nixternal | ya |
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| 19:34.49 | nixternal | it is shown under the pre'reqs page |
| 19:34.53 | thiago | bleh |
| 19:34.55 | nixternal | tests to see if QTDIR = pwd |
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| 19:35.12 | nixternal | it isn't a script, it was just the commands that I turned into a script |
| 19:35.17 | thiago | I meant: does it do find . -.... | xargs rm? |
| 19:35.23 | nixternal | no |
| 19:35.28 | thiago | ah, ok, better |
| 19:36.22 | nixternal | who needs a fireplace or a furnace...just use icecc across a few 64bit dual-core systems and build out trunk/...makes my office nice and toasty :) |
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| 19:37.07 | piggz_ | or for $%^& sake :) |
| 19:37.13 | thiago | nixternal: or a USB-powered coffee heater |
| 19:37.50 | nixternal | who was it that blogged that thing on the Planet a while back? I ended up getting one because of that post |
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| 19:38.27 | nixternal | I thought the thing was a joke, but I saw it at a local store for like $10 USD, so I bought one |
| 19:38.31 | thiago | should blog about it tomorrow |
| 19:38.35 | nixternal | doesn't get all that hot, but my coffee stays warm :) |
| 19:38.51 | thiago | got one today |
| 19:38.55 | nixternal | haha |
| 19:38.56 | thiago | in fact, the whole office got |
| 19:39.01 | nixternal | nice |
| 19:39.24 | Aeris | hi everybody |
| 19:39.28 | nixternal | howdy |
| 19:39.35 | thiago | the problem is that we have ceramic cups with a curved bottom |
| 19:39.48 | nixternal | my problem is my favorite cup is to big for it |
| 19:39.52 | Aeris | knetworkconf use /etc/network/interface and /etc/hosts, isnt't it? |
| 19:39.59 | thiago | so, instead of being an "USB-powered coffee heater", it's an "USB-powered coffee *cup* heater" |
| 19:40.08 | nixternal | hehe |
| 19:41.01 | nixternal | Aeris: interface I know it looks at because I had a booged eth0 setting in there a couple of weeks ago and knetworkmangler wouldn't work for me until I cleared out interface file |
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| 19:41.28 | Aeris | so, i have a problem.................... |
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| 19:41.39 | piggz_ | nixternal: to go back 11 minutes, what were u discussing 16 minutes ago? ;) |
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| 19:41.48 | Aeris | my knetworkmanager doesn't save settings |
| 19:41.52 | graft | sweet! finally done |
| 19:42.10 | Aeris | my knetworkconf sorry |
| 19:42.25 | nixternal | piggz_: I have no clue anymore :) oh, the problem you are having with Kaffeine and Xshm, I just discussed right before you asked your question |
| 19:42.39 | graft | knetworkmanager doesn't use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:42.46 | piggz_ | nixternal: is there a solution? |
| 19:42.50 | graft | other than to identify interfaces maybe |
| 19:42.57 | nixternal | Aeris: if /etc/network/interfaces is blank, then knetworkmangler shouldn't have any problems |
| 19:42.57 | Aeris | graft > no, my knetworkconf |
| 19:43.14 | piggz_ | nixternal: its affecting my wathching of startrek re-runs |
| 19:43.17 | graft | not sure wtf that is |
| 19:43.22 | nixternal | piggz_: I haven't found one honestly..I have tried caching and other things, but I noticed it would be jaggy and at times audio would be out of sync |
| 19:43.30 | Aeris | when i close and reopen knetworkconf, all my settings are vanished |
| 19:43.43 | Aeris | no change on /etc/network/interfaces and others files |
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| 19:44.11 | nixternal | piggz_: I ended up reinstalling vlc and setting it to use X11 for the video output (advanced settings) and that is how I watch my videos now |
| 19:44.28 | nixternal | Aeris: knetworkmangler doesn't make any changes to the interfaces file |
| 19:44.39 | piggz_ | piggz_: does it work with dvb devices? kaffeine is excellent for dvb |
| 19:44.44 | nixternal | at least it doesn't for me, but I don't lose my settings I don't think |
| 19:44.51 | Aeris | nixternal > <Aeris> my knetworkconf sorry |
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| 19:44.53 | Aeris | :p |
| 19:45.02 | nixternal | oh |
| 19:45.11 | Aeris | it's with knetworkconf and control center |
| 19:45.30 | nixternal | hrmm |
| 19:45.31 | Aeris | no change saved when i exit :( |
| 19:45.41 | graft | does it make you sudo? |
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| 19:45.45 | Aeris | yes |
| 19:45.47 | nixternal | I have heard about that issue before, but I can't remember exactly what the cause and fix were |
| 19:45.59 | graft | what's wrong with vi /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:46.01 | Aeris | and even if i log me into root |
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| 19:46.33 | graft | and why not use networkmanager? it's clearly the state-of-the-art! |
| 19:46.54 | Aeris | graft > i use networkmanager |
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| 19:49.14 | graft | so then what does knetworkconf do? |
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| 19:58.37 | sergant | test |
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| 19:58.59 | FiNeX | hi! |
| 19:59.11 | sergant | hi |
| 19:59.13 | graft | TEST FAILED /// SYSTEM FAILURE /// ABORT ABORT ABORT |
| 19:59.15 | Xcerca | hey |
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| 20:00.02 | graft | man... qt-copy is STILL building. |
| 20:00.17 | Rasi | :P |
| 20:00.22 | Rasi | took 50 minutes for me |
| 20:00.31 | graft | i curse your name and the names of your children! |
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| 20:01.29 | graft | i think i'm definitely over 2 hours here |
| 20:01.58 | graft | i thought this system was reasonably fast... |
| 20:02.05 | graft | what's a "fast" machine these days? |
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| 20:03.34 | Aeris | nixternal ? |
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| 20:05.06 | piggz_ | nixternal: xrender perfomance is better with kaffeine, and its not bad as general compositing, but the effects arent as nice |
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| 20:06.11 | _Aeris_ | nixternal ? |
| 20:06.16 | _Aeris_ | i solve my problem :) |
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| 20:06.57 | _Aeris_ | /etc/debian_version, sid/experimental, knetworkconf doesn't love it :D |
| 20:07.08 | _Aeris_ | testing/unstable it's better :) |
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| 20:11.40 | chell | hi |
| 20:11.47 | chell | what's the default KDE 3.5.x file viewer? |
| 20:11.50 | chell | for like pdfs and images |
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| 20:12.10 | thiago_home | kpdf for PDFs, kuickshow for images |
| 20:12.42 | chell | okay cheers |
| 20:12.51 | chell | I'm building a very minimal KDE system at the moment based on Debian |
| 20:12.54 | chell | so that's why I'm asking |
| 20:13.16 | kdepepo | chell, konqueror shows both :) |
| 20:13.35 | Jucato | (although I'd probably use gwenview instead of kuickshow... but that's not the KDE default) |
| 20:13.35 | thiago_home | Konqueror uses khtmlimagepart for images |
| 20:13.40 | pinotree | kdepepo: because you have <thiago_home> kpdf for PDFs, kuickshow for images |
| 20:13.41 | thiago_home | but it loads kpdfpart for PDFs |
| 20:13.52 | chell | yeah |
| 20:13.54 | chell | noticed that |
| 20:14.02 | chell | it didn't show the PDF before I installed KPDF |
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| 20:14.03 | Jucato | hm.... I just read that as kpdfart :/ |
| 20:14.37 | pinotree | suggests Jucato to take another coffee... |
| 20:14.57 | kdepepo | or no coffee at all :) |
| 20:14.59 | Jucato | I have yet to take my first cup :) |
| 20:15.39 | chell | Is there a way I can stop KDE showing my most frequently used apps in the K-Menu |
| 20:15.57 | chell | you can switch that over to showing your most recently used apps but I'd like to disable that part of the menu |
| 20:15.57 | thiago_home | tell it to show the 0 most frequently used apps |
| 20:15.58 | pinotree | set its size to 0 |
| 20:16.21 | chell | a cheers |
| 20:16.25 | chell | I love how customizable KDE is |
| 20:17.06 | chell | another question (I know, I'm a KDE newbie): Can I somehow hide certain elements from my menu without having to delete them? I'm trying to hide the "Debian" menu item |
| 20:17.21 | thiago_home | yes, you can |
| 20:17.31 | chell | thiago_home: how? |
| 20:17.34 | thiago_home | if you delete them in kmenuedit, it'll create hide files |
| 20:17.40 | thiago_home | they won't be deleted from /usr/share |
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| 20:17.53 | Jucato | oh I didn't know about that :) |
| 20:17.56 | chell | okay, so how do I recover a menu item? |
| 20:18.37 | graft | hey does the kickoff menu have this ugly blue square highlight for tabs on your guys's installs? or is that just kubuntu's "improvement"? |
| 20:19.08 | Xcerca | graft what do you mean ? |
| 20:19.33 | thiago_home | remove the hiding .desktop file or edit the ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu file |
| 20:19.34 | graft | well, when you hover over 'favorites', 'applications', etc., the highlight is a big blue square for me |
| 20:19.42 | Jucato | thiago_home: ah <Exclude>? |
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| 20:20.41 | graft | overall kickoff looks much uglier than i've seen in suse screenshots and such |
| 20:21.10 | lostson | there is a applet that is alot like the old menu |
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| 20:24.44 | chell | wasn't there a quicksilver like application launcher for KDE? |
| 20:24.55 | Jucato | Katapult |
| 20:25.06 | Jucato | (but it's falling way behind GNOME-Do... :( ) |
| 20:25.19 | chell | I'd really like to see a Gnome-Do for KDE |
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| 20:26.32 | graft | is there some sort of --without-infinite-looping flag i forgot to include on this qt-copy compile? |
| 20:26.44 | pinotree | ? |
| 20:27.04 | graft | i probably should have told it not to build examples and such |
| 20:28.02 | graft | i wish there was a default application launcher like that for kde |
| 20:28.33 | graft | even with its limited functionality i use katapult way more than anything else for launching apps |
| 20:28.34 | chell | after like 1 minute it was aptitude uninstall katapult :-( |
| 20:28.52 | chell | can I change the keybinding for that alt+f2 window? |
| 20:29.06 | graft | change keybindings? in kde? |
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| 20:29.27 | dwinslow | chell: yes, there's a global shortcut section in kcontrol |
| 20:29.30 | chell | ah |
| 20:29.32 | chell | just found it |
| 20:29.38 | pinotree | kde control center â regional & accessibility â keboard shortcuts â global shortcuts â desktop |
| 20:29.40 | chell | I'm coming from GNOME you know |
| 20:29.47 | graft | oh ah... |
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| 20:30.08 | chell | I'm not used to being able to do things |
| 20:30.08 | graft | in general, the answer to "Can I change X" in KDE is "Yes" |
| 20:30.39 | chell | GNOME is nice and simple but KDE can be too, and it's more customizable |
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| 20:31.22 | wpatten_ | I just emerge kde 4.0.2 |
| 20:31.45 | wpatten_ | when using the volume keys I get the following error |
| 20:32.05 | wpatten_ | "It seems Kmix is not running" |
| 20:32.28 | wpatten_ | I have started kmix from th knsole but no error messages and it is running |
| 20:32.34 | wpatten_ | any advice |
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| 20:33.56 | wpatten_ | I am using Sabayon 3.5 |
| 20:36.15 | chell | okay I've got ntfs-3g installed, how can I set KDE to automatically mount my windows drive? |
| 20:37.28 | thiago_home | chell: automatically mount -> not a KDE question |
| 20:37.34 | thiago_home | please ask in your distribution's channel |
| 20:37.37 | chell | okay |
| 20:37.59 | josiane | ok |
| 20:38.16 | josiane | what are u guys saying? |
| 20:38.21 | josiane | i am new |
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| 20:40.56 | jexy | jii |
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| 20:42.45 | pleaseandthankyo | have you ever been bullied extensively by your psychologist or someone lower than you who assumes the role of psychologist? what to do when your psychologist see you and know what your problems are and then bully me/you? what would you do? would you change your career so you can become a psychologist? you can't get helped with the police because police helps them. |
| 20:42.59 | jexy | yes |
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| 20:44.18 | graft | weird |
| 20:44.24 | jexy | what |
| 20:44.30 | MinceR | probably a culti$t. |
| 20:44.36 | chell | was that guy drunk/high? |
| 20:44.45 | graft | scientologist maybe |
| 20:44.47 | Jucato | common spambot |
| 20:45.09 | MinceR | that's the kind of cultist i meant. |
| 20:45.19 | graft | cult of spam? |
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| 20:53.05 | |pclos| | good evening |
| 20:54.23 | |pclos| | i can't find the webpage with the kde4 compiling howto |
| 20:54.45 | pinotree | like http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 ? |
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| 20:54.51 | pleaseandthankyo | do you know me inside out? |
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| 20:55.36 | LinuxMafia | hi all |
| 20:55.43 | LinuxMafia | any one uses kdenlive? |
| 20:56.15 | |pclos| | thx pinotree |
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| 21:02.58 | chell | what's the kde 3.5.x sound server called again? |
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| 21:03.25 | graft | arts? |
| 21:03.28 | chell | ok |
| 21:03.29 | graft | don't use arts |
| 21:03.45 | graft | it hasn't been worked on since like kde2 |
| 21:03.45 | chell | graft: I've installed alsa |
| 21:03.57 | chell | and I've run alsamixer to make sure my levels are up |
| 21:04.00 | chell | and yet I don't have sound in KDE |
| 21:04.08 | graft | try killing arts |
| 21:04.10 | chell | I don't even hear the test sound |
| 21:04.21 | chell | how would I do that? |
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| 21:04.36 | graft | pkill -9 -f artsd |
| 21:04.58 | graft | and also in kcontrol/sound deselect the 'enable sound server' option |
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| 21:05.48 | chell | graft: I clicked on test sound |
| 21:05.51 | chell | it started the sound server |
| 21:05.56 | chell | but I still don't hear anything |
| 21:06.47 | graft | chell: can you play stuff with mplayer in the shell? |
| 21:06.52 | chell | damn |
| 21:06.53 | chell | now it works |
| 21:07.02 | chell | and it was too damn loud |
| 21:07.03 | chell | argh |
| 21:07.05 | graft | haha |
| 21:07.07 | chell | I hope I haven't woken anyone |
| 21:07.33 | chell | I'd get into a lot of trouble if I did |
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| 21:11.49 | imbezol | KDE used to ask what I wanted to do when I plugged in my iPod. I accidentally checked "always do this" for it. How do I uncheck that now that it doesn't ask anymore? |
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| 21:12.43 | chell | right I'd better get going... thanks for all the help... bye |
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| 21:13.34 | Jucato | imbezol: KControl -> Peripherals -> Storage Media |
| 21:13.50 | imbezol | Jucato: that is general config of what options will be in the popup |
| 21:14.11 | imbezol | Jucato: there's no popup after you select "always do this" |
| 21:14.41 | Jucato | yeah. you click on Toggle as Auto Action to turn it off/on |
| 21:14.52 | Jucato | just look for the correct medium type there |
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| 21:17.07 | imbezol | Jucato: hmmm.. nothing showed as toggled but after toggling it on and then back off it still doesn't show a popup, but it doesn't auto browse the device with konqueror either so i guess that's ok |
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| 21:24.33 | DJCapelis | Any chance I can bother someone about Kross? (Particularly the status of it running without kdelibs?) |
| 21:24.57 | pinotree | "running without kdelibs"?? |
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| 21:25.23 | DJCapelis | pinotree: yes, just on bare Qt4, according to the project home page they're working on it... |
| 21:25.38 | pinotree | kross is a kdelibs library |
| 21:26.02 | DJCapelis | "It is planned to provide for KDE 4.1 a Qt-only mode." |
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| 21:27.53 | chocobanana | Hi everyone!!! |
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| 21:28.18 | chocobanana | can anybody tell me if KDE4 supports the MacOS menu bar style like KDE3 does? |
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| 21:29.58 | pinotree | DJCapelis: not sure, please mail sebastian sauer |
| 21:30.54 | pinotree | chocobanana: not yet |
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| 21:31.19 | chocobanana | pinotree: any idea if and when will it become available? |
| 21:31.29 | pinotree | nope, sorry |
| 21:32.10 | chocobanana | I hope it comes soon then :) |
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| 21:41.26 | DJCapelis | pinotree: thanks :) |
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| 22:01.24 | Rasi | hmmm.. openoffice looks so crap in kde4 |
| 22:01.31 | Rasi | my gtk apps look fine tho |
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| 22:04.18 | DirkGently | Rasi: no different to normal |
| 22:04.25 | DirkGently | typical java crap |
| 22:04.56 | DirkGently | when they make java look decent, OOo will look decent |
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| 22:05.11 | DirkGently | or when they ditch java |
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| 22:06.15 | dwins | OOo != java |
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| 22:07.30 | DirkGently | dwins: it runs on java though |
| 22:07.33 | shevy | is there a kde4-on-windows page somewhere? |
| 22:07.46 | dwins | DirkGently: no, it uses java for extensions |
| 22:08.21 | DirkGently | dwins: what toolkit is it using then? |
| 22:08.33 | DirkGently | because it looks exactly like a java app |
| 22:08.44 | DirkGently | and runs like one |
| 22:08.59 | DirkGently | i.e. slow, memory hungry |
| 22:09.05 | dwins | thinks they have some custom dealy for widgeting |
| 22:09.18 | graft | i'm pretty sure my ooo is using qt as its toolkit |
| 22:09.32 | graft | and e.g. when i open files i get the kde file dialog |
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| 22:09.53 | dwins | also thinks this is a bit outside of #kde's topic |
| 22:09.54 | iuso | graft: i'd love to have OOo with qt4 |
| 22:10.39 | graft | yeah, i must say the new styles look MUCH better than kde 3 styles |
| 22:10.42 | DirkGently | dwins: the subject is how OOo looks in kde4 |
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| 22:10.53 | teatime | shevy: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Projects/KDE_on_Windows |
| 22:11.11 | DirkGently | if it looks diff in kde3 then it's a kde topic |
| 22:11.12 | shevy | thanks, bookmarked locally too |
| 22:11.14 | DirkGently | I guess |
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| 22:11.22 | Jucato | graft: no. there's an option in OO.o to have some sort of Qt support... |
| 22:12.57 | iuso | Jucato: really? |
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| 22:15.54 | Q-collective | is it already possible to not have konversation close the channel on being kicked? |
| 22:16.01 | Q-collective | it is really highly annoying >_> |
| 22:16.09 | sandsmark | try not getting kicked ^^ |
| 22:16.39 | Q-collective | try avoiding the getting-kicked-for-lulz wave |
| 22:16.41 | Q-collective | :+ |
| 22:16.55 | Q-collective | anyway, the point stands |
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| 22:21.40 | Sho_ | Q-collective: Not at present. It's not hard to change, the challenge is mostly how to provide clear and hard-to-miss indication that while the view is there, the channel is not joined. A message along with flushing the nicklist might be enough, perhaps greying out the tab label as well, dunno |
| 22:22.20 | sandsmark | greying out all the text in the chat? |
| 22:22.26 | sandsmark | maybe fading it out ^^ |
| 22:23.08 | Sho_ | sandsmark: Guess that would conflict a bit with the reason for wanting to keep it open (reading the text) |
| 22:23.15 | Q-collective | Sho_: that might be good, also having the channel like (#kde) if you're using channel list instead of tabs is an idea |
| 22:23.57 | sandsmark | Sho_: just animating a tiny bit of fadeout, 50% of the normal contrast or so =) |
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| 22:39.58 | graft | hmm... while trying to builde kdebase it tells me: Xine_DIR is not set; any idea what I do to fix this? I already installed libxine-dev from my distro's repository |
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| 22:43.26 | Rasi | DirkGently: my OOo looks nice in kde3 |
| 22:43.34 | Rasi | in kde4 it looks like a gtk app with no theme |
| 22:44.05 | huma | how do i set default font for all kde apps (editing a file, i only have kdenetwork installed). tried ~/.kderc, didn't work. |
| 22:44.49 | huma | ver 3.5.9 |
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| 22:45.54 | thiago_home | in the KDE control center |
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| 22:46.39 | huma | what file(s) does it change? |
| 22:47.24 | thiago_home | I don't know for sure |
| 22:47.31 | thiago_home | something in ~/.kde/share/config |
| 22:47.34 | thiago_home | probably kdeglobals |
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| 22:47.58 | graft | man i wish i had any clue what the heck cmake is doing |
| 22:48.38 | huma | yay! this is it - kdeglobals! thanks, man :) |
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| 22:50.01 | huma | "EffectsEnabled=false" will be good, as well.. ah, nice |
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| 22:55.38 | rcurtis | Hi, what's the status of having apps like Eclipse and Firefox look decent in KDE4? |
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| 22:57.13 | rcurtis | is it up to those projects (Java in the case of Eclipse) to come up with a theme/look and feel? |
| 22:57.19 | pinotree | yes |
| 22:57.31 | pinotree | kde4 is not responsible for their look |
| 22:58.06 | rcurtis | I understand and Konqueror looks great. But FF looks horrendous |
| 22:58.48 | Sput | that's why I tend to avoid both FF and Eclipse |
| 22:58.50 | Sput | K-Apps ftw |
| 22:59.10 | rcurtis | Sput:some of us have no choice :) |
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| 22:59.51 | rcurtis | what are the chances of ever having those apps render properly on KDE4 |
| 22:59.52 | Rasi | rcurtis: i only say opera |
| 23:00.11 | Frogbarf | How can I change whre kmail puts messages that are deleted? |
| 23:00.33 | huma | great.. kopete chat window font size is smaller than what you set for the app :/ |
| 23:00.39 | rcurtis | I prefer Konqueror - but as a developer, I have to make sure apps work with FF and Eclipse is the best tool for large scale java dev |
| 23:00.43 | Frogbarf | currently if i delete messages on my ipmap server it moves them to the trash on the localhost |
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| 23:01.27 | rcurtis | it's a sad situation when FF looks native on Win and OS X but looks horrid on KDE |
| 23:02.13 | Rasi | it was THEM who didnt allow qt gecko |
| 23:02.47 | Rasi | but firefox will die anyway... i guess opera and webkit will take over |
| 23:02.48 | Sput | opera is... well.. you know, they're based on Qt4 and do whatever they can to not use the Qt4 style |
| 23:02.53 | Sput | never heard of desktop integration, it seems |
| 23:03.08 | Rasi | Sput: wait til opera supports shared qt libs |
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| 23:03.48 | Sput | in current builds you can even say opera -style cleanlooks, and it changes the menu bar style |
| 23:03.50 | Sput | Rasi: it does here |
| 23:03.52 | Sput | doesn't help much |
| 23:03.54 | Sput | a few GUI parts change/look horribly broken, but most UI elements are still painted by opera itself |
| 23:03.57 | Rasi | it does? |
| 23:04.08 | Sput | I just don't understand why they do this... if that thing looked like Qt4, I might even use it sometimes |
| 23:04.08 | Rasi | hm.. i only saw a static qt4 build |
| 23:04.15 | Frogbarf | If I delete a lot of messages from the imap server it moves them all to the local trash. Isn't there a "delete to trash on imap server" option? |
| 23:04.48 | Sput | Rasi: at least on gentoo it does |
| 23:04.50 | Sput | except you emerge it with USE="qtstatic" |
| 23:05.08 | ryanakca | grumbles at having broken his KDE4 installation |
| 23:05.21 | rcurtis | Frogbarf: do you need them in the trash at all - Shift + Delete will get rid of them permanently |
| 23:06.13 | Frogbarf | well when always looking at anythng on my imap server it always deletes to the localhost |
| 23:06.51 | Frogbarf | i'd like it for when i hit the delete key that is moves any single message to the trash on the imap server |
| 23:07.00 | rcurtis | Frogbarf: yes, mine too - but I've never seen a problem with it |
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| 23:07.30 | Frogbarf | It's for my wife |
| 23:07.34 | Frogbarf | she gets a lot of spam |
| 23:07.56 | Frogbarf | in her inbox and spam assassin takes forever to run |
| 23:08.12 | rcurtis | Sput: Rasi: FF has market share and mindshare - using Opera is not an option - something needs to be done for KDE4 |
| 23:08.19 | Frogbarf | oh well |
| 23:08.48 | Sput | rcurtis: I for one would be happy with konq4-64 supporting flash somehow |
| 23:09.02 | Sput | but nspluginwrapper doesn't support it, and gnash doesn't display any flash for me either |
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| 23:09.48 | Sput | other than that, I've been using konq for years explusively, and I always liked it much more than FF |
| 23:09.48 | rcurtis | Sput: you're kind of missing the point - when developing web apps, they must support FF and IE - not so much Konq, Safari, etc |
| 23:09.50 | Sput | *exclusively |
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| 23:10.14 | rcurtis | if we want devs to use KDE4 then FF should look decent |
| 23:10.23 | rcurtis | and Eclipse |
| 23:10.48 | Sput | rcurtis: ah, that you mean :) yeah, as a webdeveloper you need different browsers to test |
| 23:11.02 | Sput | I'd be glad if opera decided to not actively obfuscate Qt's styling, yes. |
| 23:11.03 | rcurtis | yip! |
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| 23:11.48 | Sput | probably much harder for FF to blend in |
| 23:11.50 | Sput | but opera could just do it |
| 23:11.54 | Rasi | opera is the only browser with reasonably fast performance here |
| 23:12.14 | Rasi | apart from links |
| 23:12.16 | Rasi | :P |
| 23:12.34 | rcurtis | just telling people to use Opera/Konq isnot going to work |
| 23:12.53 | Sput | I kinda expect desktop integration for my tools, so anything other than KDE/Qt gets minus points here |
| 23:13.03 | Sput | (for me personally) |
| 23:13.11 | rcurtis | Sput: EXACTLY |
| 23:13.49 | MinceR | qtcurve and gtk-qt might help with that |
| 23:13.55 | rcurtis | seems the FF guys could easily develop a theme for KDE4- they did Proto(?) for OS X and it looks fine |
| 23:13.58 | rcurtis | same for Vista |
| 23:14.01 | Rasi | not for java apps MinceR |
| 23:14.03 | Sput | in fact, konq4 even works with google now... konq3 couldn't do it |
| 23:14.12 | MinceR | java apps are evil anyway. |
| 23:14.25 | MinceR | they always hunger for more memory. |
| 23:14.26 | Rasi | well there is no alternative to openoffice... |
| 23:14.32 | Rasi | is still waiting for koffice 2 :) |
| 23:14.47 | MinceR | there is. LaTeX and Gnome Office. :> |
| 23:14.48 | Sput | Rasi: LyX/LaTeX |
| 23:14.51 | Sput | for anything that exceeds a page |
| 23:14.58 | Rasi | well lyx is of course nice.. |
| 23:15.07 | rcurtis | KDE4 apps on OS X might just be the KILLER desktop |
| 23:15.11 | MinceR | i prefer to edit LaTeX with gvim |
| 23:15.19 | pinotree | *cough* #kde-chat |
| 23:15.22 | MinceR | KDE4 apps on KDE4 is a better desktop :> |
| 23:15.30 | rcurtis | I'm running it on Gusty now- it's pretty cool but too many apps look out of place |
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| 23:15.37 | rcurtis | need proper integration with the desktop |
| 23:15.38 | Rasi | pinotree: its _mostly_ about kde :) |
| 23:15.45 | rcurtis | or at least look and feel |
| 23:15.48 | Sput | kile is nice. |
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