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00:24.17cameron_yo I want to use KATEs syntax highlighting thru command prompt or a small c++ app how do I do so... similar to KATEs File->Export as HTML's output
00:26.18lemmacameron_: try asking on a mailinglist. I think using from the command line is not possible without kate running and as for coding the question is probably too specific for anyone but the maintainers to answer
00:27.04cameron_the maintainers dont go in irc? or in #kde-devel
00:28.01lemmacameron_: I think they do. but it's not so many so you have to be lucky if you want to catch them
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00:43.21jtragman... I can't believe that KDE4 doesn't work with dual monitors... this is BS
00:43.41jtrageven the earlier versions of KDE4 worked with dual monitors
00:43.45jtragnow it don't
00:44.16jtragthe screen on the right stays blank/black and the mouse cursor, when on that screen, is an X
00:46.17jtragoh well, I like KDE3 better anyway... KDE4 is a downgrade from KDE3 if you ask me
00:47.01jtragnow after using openSUSE 11 beta 2 I also feel that openSUSE 11 is going to be a downgrade from 10.3
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00:47.39jtragwhat is it with KDE and openSUSE going backwards?  Aren't they supposed to be improved?
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01:06.07fhlvholaaaaaaaaa
01:06.14dwarderbuenos diassssssssss
01:06.16dwarder;)
01:06.24fhlvde donde eres?
01:08.11dwarderdon't know ;)
01:08.23fhlvadiosssss
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01:24.29n9nuI have read the help, but cannot find a document that will tell me how to add the option when you right click on the desktop "New---Application--"
01:24.48n9nuthe items i want on there are NOT in the menu
01:24.57Jucaton9nu: what version of KDE?
01:25.00n9nuv 4.0.3
01:25.07Jucatothere really is no such thing in KDE 4 yet
01:25.47n9nuwell...got me then. KDE says its the latest stable version
01:26.18Jucatoit is
01:26.33n9nuill read the wiki pages
01:26.48JucatoKDE 4 is a break from KDE 3, specially for the desktop itself and the panel
01:27.21JucatoPlasma is the KDE 4 desktop and panel. lots of new things there, and some things missing which are in KDE 3
01:28.16n9nuyes...i have noticed
01:28.30n9nunot a big deal. i can improvise
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01:29.00n9nui can, from the konsle, type: mkdir test.desktop   and get a folder ok
01:29.13Jucaton9nu: drag from the K menu to the desktop too
01:29.32n9nui dont need anything from the K menu
01:29.38Jucatoyeah, it still displays stuff in ~/Desktop/ as icons (Plasmoids)
01:29.46n9nuoh
01:29.50Jucatook.. drag and drop from Dolphin
01:29.59n9nuok..never tried that one
01:30.33n9nuok./..tnx......that will work ok
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01:31.12DanielWplasma doesn't work anymore on my desktop. i only shows the panel. the desktop is complete black (even the plasma widget in the top right edge is missing)
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01:41.57izzybis it possible to restart kicker without logging out of kde?
01:43.10Dunedanizzyb: just run "kicker &" from a konsole
01:43.43Jucatoizzyb: if it's still running, "dcop kicker kicker restart"
01:43.46izzybyeah, tried that.  seems my problem is that kicker is failing to pop back up from hiding
01:43.59izzybJucato, yeah, just got that from the #kubuntu chanel
01:44.08Jucatostdin: hmph!
01:44.10izzybdidn't help sadly
01:44.33JucatoAlt+F2, "kcontrol", Desktop -> Panel -> Hiding tab
01:44.47Jucatochange any hiding setting or disable auto hide, then click apply
01:45.24izzybbingo
01:45.29izzybthanks that helped
01:45.40izzybnow why does it not pop back up from hiding.  been working all day
01:45.57stdinJucato: it came to me like a flash from the past :)
01:46.02izzybnearly 3 days actaully (since last reboot)
01:46.29Jucatoyeah, it's a bug that seems to be common in Kubuntu (so far haven't heard any problem from other distros)
01:47.11izzybhmm, odd. will it return to normal after a reboot?
01:47.20izzyber, reload of kde
01:47.34izzybie, will it auto hide again until broken?
01:47.57Jucatonope
01:48.08izzybcan deal with having to manually turn auto hide off to avoid a reboot, but really hat the idea of giving up on autohide
01:48.11Jucatoit should be fine... (but someday it will get bugged again w/o warning)
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01:48.21izzybah, k
01:48.48izzybso after I log out next time I should be able to reconfig to autohide
01:49.02JucatoI personally don't autohide anymore in KDE 3. I just set the panels to be coverable by windows, then hitting the border/edge/corner raises the panel anyway
01:49.27izzyboh?  never tired that...
01:49.28izzybtries
01:49.44izzybcool!
01:49.48izzybthat works just as well :)
01:49.52izzybthanks :)
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01:50.03Jucato(that way, I can still do Ctrl+Alt+D even with the panel "hidden")
01:50.39izzybctrl-alt-d?
01:50.56Kitshow desktop (hides all the windows)
01:51.03izzybah! cool :)
01:51.04Jucato"Show Desktop"... a sort of "minimize all" (but not really)
01:51.21izzybso, you can't do that if kicker is hidden?
01:51.23JucatoShow Desktop is not Minimize All Windows, though it seems similar..
01:51.37Jucatowell, if it's hiidden, it will still remain hidden
01:51.48izzyboh, I see :)
01:51.59izzybwell, have to run.  thanks for the help guys
01:53.30KitIs anyone here familiar with the student/mentor that'll be working on the qtwebkit KPart project for GSoC?
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02:07.46wesley__kde4.1 is much faster than 4.0.3 is it ?
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02:17.11donald_duckwhy doesent konqueror work on the internet?
02:18.19Kitdonald_duck: you can't load websites?
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02:18.26grundleborganyone know if there is a rlan:/ ioslave in KDE 4?
02:18.59donald_duckwebsites dont work on my konqueror
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02:20.31Kitgrundleborg: my install doesn't have an rlan: ioslave (though it's possible it's in a different package I don't have installed/been renamed)
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02:20.47Kitdonald_duck: do you get any error messages?
02:21.02donald_duckno
02:21.18donald_duckjust  An error occurred while loading http://google.com:Could not connect to host http://google.com/.
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02:23.31Kitdoes google work in any other browsers?
02:23.38donald_duckyes
02:23.41donald_duckfirefox
02:24.22g2g591donald_duck: this is almost certianly a distro specific issue. please refer to #yourdistro for more info
02:24.33donald_ducki did no response
02:24.38donald_ducki will file a bug
02:24.54g2g591donald_duck: dont file it on bugs.kde.org file it with your distro
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02:26.33donald_ducki know on launchpad i will
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02:59.50PeterFAKDE4 doesn't come with a whole lot of widgets in the Kubuntu distribution. Where can I download more widgets?
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03:00.06PeterFAI want to try going to a widget based desktop over a an icon based desktop.
03:00.29PovAddictdoes KMail keep my email password in my KWallet?
03:01.09g2g591PovAddict: probabily
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03:15.21PovAddictand... does Kontact support syncing with any device?
03:15.36PovAddictPalm, iPhone...
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03:18.59PovAddictheh, KMail spell checker says Kubuntu is misspelled
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03:25.16g2g591PovAddict: well, Aspell ( what KMail is using as the spell checker) is NOT developed by Kubuntu, the same as 97% of the operating sytem
03:25.42g2g591*pop*
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03:27.17PovAddicthow do I add words?
03:27.21PovAddictor ignore or whatever
03:28.30g2g591PovAddict: try right clicking on the word, there should be some options that pop up, with ignore and add to dictionary being some. if i remember right
03:28.41PovAddictI see only suggestions
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03:29.37g2g591hmm, its been a while sience i used kmail...
03:30.06ThePub_you're not missing much.  it's still pretty basic.  :)
03:30.24PovAddictI'd prefer "featureless" rather than "buggy"
03:30.33PovAddictdoes it cache read messages so I can read them offline?
03:31.02g2g591PovAddict: not when using IMAP it didn't ( about 3 months ago)
03:31.16PovAddictI had been using Thunderbird on Windows
03:31.29PovAddictcache is annoying as hell
03:31.33PovAddictthere's two options:
03:31.54PovAddictyou set a folder to be available offline, and have it download every single message
03:32.27ThePubit has one issue which, imo is a rpita, it doesn't keep the width of columns between quit/launch.
03:32.36PovAddictor you don't, and it loads messages every single time, or at least they get off the cache minutes later
03:33.26PovAddictI want it to behave like a browser: if I load a message, it goes to the cache and it stays there for later loads, but doesn't download the whole folder
03:33.45PovAddictThunderbird has the same annoying behavior on newsgroups (any good KDE newsreader btw?)
03:34.08ThePubgoogle reader in konqueror?  ;0
03:34.27PovAddictisn't google reader for RSS?
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03:34.44ThePubyou can plumb groups into it
03:34.49PovAddictI hate web apps anyway
03:35.19ThePuboh well, everyone's a critic.
03:35.40PovAddictand the news servers I access aren't "public" anyway (not part of usenet) so they won't be on google groups
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03:59.11Gokee2Why does the Oxygen Window decorations have the same color for a selected and non-selected window?  Oxygen is so hyped I wanted to try it but can`t stand not knowing what window is selected any longer
04:10.05PeterFADolphin isn't very configurable is it?
04:10.26PeterFAGokee2, yo.
04:10.40Gokee2Hey PeterFA :)
04:11.07PeterFAGokee2, how's it going?
04:11.20Gokee2Pretty good
04:11.33Gokee2Did you get the wallet thing fixed?
04:11.40PeterFAGokee2, yeah.
04:11.52PeterFAGokee2, well, I have a temporary work around: use the older version.
04:11.52PeterFAO
04:11.56PeterFAWorks for me.
04:12.01Gokee2heh :)
04:12.15Gokee2kde4 is really lacking in a few areas
04:12.30PeterFAGokee2, yeah, but I do think of it as viable.
04:12.48PeterFAGokee2, it's totally widget oriented but I do wish it was shipped with more widgets.
04:13.04Gokee2Ya, when I first started it up it was awful.  After a bit of tweeking its mostly good
04:13.33Gokee2I wish I could make my taskbar smaller though
04:13.53Gokee2I don`t like plastik
04:14.25Gokee2Hmm no that was modern system
04:15.31PeterFAGokee2, I don't have a taskbar.
04:15.57Gokee2Swiching windows must be a pain....
04:16.02Gokee2switching*
04:16.10PeterFAGokee2, no, I have widgets replacing it completely
04:17.03Gokee2Hmm
04:17.12Gokee2you did not stick them on a panal?
04:18.17Gokee2Can I save a panel and then remove it for later use?
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04:20.07Gokee2Can I resize a widget?
04:20.21PeterFAGokee2, yes.
04:20.33PeterFAGokee2, no, you don't stick them on a panel.
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04:22.02Gokee2can`t seem to get hist Task Manager to resize bit enough to read
04:25.50PeterFAGokee2, change the font size.
04:28.36Gokee2Its just too small.  THe font size is fine.  It needs to be longer
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05:10.36PeterFAGokee2, my mother and I need a place and our lease is nearing an end.
05:14.10Gokee2Hmmm, when does it end?
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05:30.47caoticis there a way to set a keystroke to focus a specific window (lest say to focus one of my tree kwrite widows) and when the window is closed the keystroke is rather unset or void
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05:53.06Gokee2Is there a way to make a window go above a panal?
05:54.21Skrot-Right click on the title bar of the program -> advanced -> keep above others
05:55.02Skrot-keep in mind it'll be above everything
05:56.40Gokee2Ah that does work
05:57.00Gokee2I am trying to make ut2004 go above and I had though I had already set on top
05:57.31Gokee2Ah there it works now I needed force rather then initial
05:57.37Gokee2Thanks :)
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06:22.42flaccidis there a good document on whats new in kde 4 - featues to check out?
06:23.21Jucatoflaccid: the release announcements and changelogs from www.kde.org
06:23.34Jucatospecially the 4.0 release, has a visual tour
06:24.56flacciddanke
06:25.56flacciddo you remember what window decoration gutsy/kde3 uses?
06:26.01flaccidwouldn't mind putting that back
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06:27.37Jucato*if* it would work in KDE 4 (if that's what you meant). it's called Crystal
06:27.46Jucato(and stil what hardy/kde3 uses)
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06:30.45flaccidyeah
06:31.45flacciddo i have to go through all the different announcements ? there is no summary>?
06:32.51Jucatothere's only been 4 KDE 4.0 releases so far, that won't be much. but the 4.0 one is probably the longest, with a complete guide to what's new in KDE 4. the rest are mostly summaries + links to changelogs
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06:35.41flaccidi guess i need to find someone who has made an article
06:36.02Jucatowonders why
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06:39.11flaccidto save going through all the documents
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06:41.30flaccidi guess there isn't much to it yet
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06:43.41Jucato[14:28] <Jucato> there's only been 4 KDE 4.0 releases so far, that won't be much.  <----
06:44.23flaccidyeah
06:44.26flaccidits all good
06:44.36flaccidis there something you like thats new yourself?
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06:50.55xsachahttp://digg.com/linux_unix/Raptor_Menu_for_KDE4
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06:54.08flaccidhow do i change the plasma theme?
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06:56.09flaccidi think i did it brb
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07:04.14flaccidi installed a plasma theme into /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/blue
07:04.27flaccidchanged ~/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc
07:04.33flaccidand it didn't change the theme
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07:06.27Skrot-What about ~/.kde/share/config/plasmarc
07:07.03Skrot-Or the right clicking the desktop -> Desktop Settings.. -> Desktop Theme if you've got a recent enough version of KDE 4
07:07.03flaccidcan't i make it global?
07:07.30flaccidi've only got the kubuntu 8.04 version
07:08.20Skrot-Just check if there's a "Desktop Theme" option in "Desktop Settings"
07:08.46flacciddoesn't seem so
07:08.58Skrot-okay
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07:13.33flaccidso um is that a bug?
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07:35.35Jabop|homeHello
07:39.15arusselI can switch keyboard layout just by clicking the flag in the bar. What app is used behind it ?
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08:19.04trentCan someone have a look and see why kdebase fails here please? http://pastebin.com/d49e0cf8e
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08:25.48lemmatrent: that's a linker error concerning qt
08:25.56lemmatrent: which version qt and kde are you trying to compile?
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08:28.36trentI have set QTDIR to ~///qtcopy but it still seems to find the opensuse qt4 on system. trying to uninstall the opensuse one creates havok.
08:28.51trentctcopy and trunk
08:29.39rohanpmtrent: why do you think it's finding the system qt4?  It seems to be using qt-copy to me
08:30.10trentthis "-- Found Qt-Version 4.4.0-snapshot-20080429 (using /usr/bin/qmake)"
08:30.15Jucatoyou have set QTDIR, but have you set the path to look at QTDIR first?
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08:30.45Jucato"which qmake" will tell you. as well as "echo $PATH"
08:31.21trenttrent@quad-opty:~/kde/sources/trunk/KDE/qt-copy> which qmake
08:31.22trent/home/trent/kde/sources/trunk/KDE/qt-copy/bin/qmake
08:31.30Jucatohm
08:33.01trenti think this is the problem "http://pastebin.com/d78b2d2d9"
08:33.13trentbut not sure how to fix it
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08:35.47lemmatrent: looks ok if the first path is where you put your qt-copy
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08:37.46trentlemma: yes it's there.
08:38.19lemmatrent: that's really strange
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08:39.42trentlemma: should i trim my $PATH and see if that works?
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08:40.02lemmatrent: I don't think that's it
08:40.37lemmatrent: try objdump -t /path/to/your/libQtGui.4.0 | grep hasEvent
08:40.40L_NevesHi. I'm trying to compile KDE 4.1 Alpha, but I'm getting this message when I do cmake in kdepimlibs: "CMake Error: Could not find Akonadi includes." Do you know what could be wrong or missing? I'm running Debian Testing and KDE 4.0.2, by the way.
08:40.48lemmatrent: sorry, I meant .. | grep hasPending
08:41.02lemmaL_Neves: you have to compile kdesupport first
08:42.13lemmatrent: sorry, I have to go.
08:42.57lemmatrent: just see if the grep finds anything. if it does then your compile tries to link against the wrong version
08:43.07L_Neveslemma: Do you kinow where I can get this package? It is not mentioned at http://www.kde.org/info/4.0.71.php
08:43.10lemmatrent: and something in your environment might be hosed :D
08:43.38trentlemma: http://pastebin.com/d693c2add
08:44.05trentlemma: thanks for help
08:44.21lemmatrent: it's using the wrong libQtGui. but I don't know why to be honest
08:44.31trentlemma: thanks
08:44.32JucatoL_Neves: you'll have to get it from SVN
08:44.45lemmaL_Neves: check the link "Build instructions" on the page you mentioned
08:44.49lemmalater everyone
08:44.51L_NevesOK. Thanks for the help!
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08:47.35L_NevesKDE's SVN is always very slow. Is there a faster way to get these sources, like mirrors?
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08:49.41Jucatoanonsvn uses mirrors automatically
08:52.27L_NevesThe download speed is rarely above 30 Kbps, I think that's too low for a 2 mbps connection... Is there a way to improve it?
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08:57.14foormeahi. i'm running kde 3.5.9 on kubuntu hardy 8.04. my kde is in english. i need french and chinese input support.     problem with french: i cannot type accentuated characters in KDE apps and the keyboard switcher doesn't work       problem with chinese: cannot type chinese in some applications such as xchat
08:57.53thiago_homexchat is not a KDE application
08:58.07thiago_homewhich keyboard layout are you using for typing in French?
08:58.20foormeagive me a second to check
08:58.41foormeathe "command" is setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout fr
08:59.12foormeawell my question wasn't formulated correctly: i can type "simple" accentuated characters. é è
08:59.21foormeabut those that require to press a modifier key before
08:59.28foormeawon't work : ^e ¨e ¨i
08:59.44thiago_homepress the key where you have the number 2
08:59.46thiago_homewhat do you see?
08:59.47foormeabut however i noticed they work under openoffice
08:59.53foormeaé
08:59.55foormeathis one works
09:00.08thiago_homerun xev and press the ^ modifier
09:00.37thiago_homewhat do you see on the KeyPress event?
09:00.38thiago_home<PROTECTED>
09:00.42foormeaokay. what should i report?
09:00.45foormeaok hold on
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09:02.45foormeai have       state 0x0, keycode 34 (keysym 0xfe52, dead_circumflex), same_screen YES,
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09:04.58hellhoundi have just upgraded to kubuntu hardy heron and noticed that on secondary windows (windows that open within an application such as setting preferences) that I get black on black so that I cannot see the text.  I know this is part of my theme, but I want to know how to change this while keeping my theme.  The text color are correct in all other places
09:05.33thiago_homelooks right
09:05.49thiago_homeand if you press that key plus e, you see ^e ?
09:05.56foormea^e
09:05.57foormeayes
09:06.05thiago_homethat's weird
09:06.12thiago_homeit works just fine for me...
09:06.18thiago_homebut I don't have a chinese input method turned on
09:06.35foormeahumm i could try without the chinese input
09:06.47foormeahowever
09:07.00foormeatyping the  ^ modifier + e    under openoffice
09:07.03foormeajust gives me a nice ê
09:07.37foormea^e same with skim (chinese) disabled
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09:08.45thiago_homethen it's a problem with skim...
09:09.20foormeaokay i'll disable skim then try again
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09:32.27khajxcan anyone help with finding a good dock for kubuntu?
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10:14.52Jabop|homeAnyone there?
10:15.14jazkayes
10:15.38Jabop|homeconfigure desktop > screen saver > freeze
10:15.44Jabop|hometerminate application > kdesktop crashes
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10:26.38agnitio_quoting topic: "State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions"
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10:29.06Jabop|homeOops thought this was #fedora-kde
10:29.10Jabop|homeFedora 8 kde4
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10:37.24L_NevesHi. I'm compiling kdepimlibs from 4.1 Alpha, and I'm getting this:  error: no matching function for call to 'Akonadi::ResourceBase::requestItemDelivery(qlonglong&, const QString&, const QString&, const QStringList&)'
10:37.42L_NevesI've pasted the error output to http://pastebin.ca/1006836
10:38.14L_NevesHelp to solve this would be very appreciated, as I am not good at compiling stuff
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10:52.57USMarineL_Neves then use binaries
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11:04.40L_NevesUSMarine: I don't think there are KDE 4.1 Alpha binaries out there... specially for Debian. Correct me if I'm wrong.
11:05.36JejemL_Neves: there are :)
11:05.46lemmaL_Neves: they are in experimental though
11:05.57lemmaL_Neves: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kde/
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11:07.29L_NevesOh... I've installed KDE from Experimental once and it did barely work... Lots of instabilities
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11:07.56Jejembecause it's "experimental" :)
11:09.01L_NevesIt might be a bit off-topic, but I guess it's a good place to ask... Is it true that doing "make -j2" yields better performance, even on a single-core machine?
11:09.29lemmaL_Neves: it CAN yield better performance
11:09.50lemmaL_Neves: I've heard people reporting that -j3 on a c2d was about as fast as -j2
11:10.14lemmaL_Neves: but I guess the more cores you have the higher the possibility -j<numcores>+1 yields better performance
11:10.31lemmaL_Neves: but there's many factors that might influence that like amount of ram or disk speed
11:10.59L_NevesAnd is -j2 more prone to build errors than -j1?
11:11.29Jejemno
11:11.55Jejemraising -j just means that you'll use more threads to compile your stuff
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11:12.20L_Nevesgood to know :)
11:12.30lemmaL_Neves: the build order is determined by the make file. and whatever big number you put on your -j does still adhere to that
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11:18.51miwii play with the kdepimlibs from kde4.1 alpha release and got a error CMake Error: Could not find Akonadi includes., can someone tell me where the problem here is?
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11:20.38Jucatoyou need to build akonadi from kdesupport
11:21.49miwiJucato: uh and why isn't a tarball for 4.0.0.71 available?
11:22.24pinotreebecause it's not part of kde
11:22.56miwibut Akonadi is a part for kdepimlibs wish around is in the taball
11:23.05Jucatonot anymore
11:23.18Jucatoakonadi has been moved out of kdepimlibs and into kdesupport
11:23.21pinotreethe akonadi in kdepimlibs is just the kde library
11:23.28Jucato(or that ^^^^)
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11:26.28miwiso akonadi will be release with whish release beta/RC ?
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11:31.44L_NevesI was having this same issue with Akonadi and kdesupport... The provided documentation at http://www.kde.org/info/4.0.71.php or http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 doesn't mention the need to install kdesupport.
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11:32.19Jucatomiwi: libraries/programs/stuff in kdesupport are distributed independently of KDE and are usually packaged separately by distros
11:33.11JucatoL_Neves: because kdesupport doesn't exist as a KDE module. look inside that directory in SVN and you'll see that they're packaged by distros as separate packages
11:33.49Jucato(the techbase building guide does mention kdesupport though)
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11:40.23stdinhttp://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Prerequisites#kdesupport <-
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12:21.40L_NevesI'm trying to compile kdepim now... and I get this same error, both from the SVN version and from 4.1 Alpha: http://pastebin.ca/1006889
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12:23.45L_NevesThe first error message I get is this: http://pastebin.ca/1006889
12:24.01L_Nevessorry... is this: /home/lucas/download/kde4.1alpha1/kdepim-4.0.71/akonadi/clients/plasma/plasmobiff/plasmobiff.cpp:49: error: no matching function for call to 'Plasma::Svg::Svg(PlasmoBiff* const)'
12:24.41L_NevesI've installed kdepimlibs from SVN with no problems... any idea of what could be wrong?
12:26.27pinotreeyou cannot mix svn and an alpha release
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12:27.07L_Neveswell... I got the same error with kdepim SVN, that's why I tried the alpha
12:28.01pinotreewhich kdebase version? alpha or svn?
12:29.26L_NevesI haven't installed kdebase yet... just kdelibs (alpha) and kdepimlibs (SVN), but I intend to install kdebase from alpha
12:29.43pinotreeas i said: <pinotree> you cannot mix svn and an alpha release
12:29.52lemmaL_Neves: you need kdebase for kdepim
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12:30.10Jucatothe "Plasma" in the error is a dead giveaway
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12:32.05DirkGentlyduh!
12:32.18L_Nevesah, ok... a guy from the Akonadi channel said I could install everything else from Alpha if I installed kdepimlibs and kdepim from SVN (I was having a problem with Alpha's kdepimlibs), so I thought there would be no problems
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12:37.00lemmaL_Neves: I don't think so. apparently there was an incompatible change
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12:42.03ryanakcaWhat does "Add Activity" in KDE4 (found in the Plasma toolbox of the top right corner of the screen when zoomed out, yesterday's SVN)
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12:50.51Jucatoryanakca: a way to create new (desktop) containments
12:51.56ryanakcaJucato: thanks
12:52.05Jucatowhen in doubt.. ask #plasma :P
12:52.28ryanakcaJucato: lol :)
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12:57.54viphello, is there any way to run application with different than current style? `cdcat` crashes on Domino, but it works well under Plastik, Keramik
12:58.08thiago_homeapp -style stylename
12:58.34vipthiago_home: thanks!
12:59.19ryanakcawhere are the shortcut schemes stored by default?
12:59.22ryanakca(KDE4)
12:59.54Jucatokeyboard shortcuts? System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts?
13:00.28Jucatouse the KDE Component dropdown list to select which set of shortcuts to modify
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13:17.31LukasThi i would like to ask you why i do not see flags in my keyboard notificator?
13:17.35LukasTi use fedora 8
13:17.38LukasTkde 3.5.9
13:17.59LukasTi have checked to see them but all i see is gray box with letters like sk | us
13:20.10LukasTdo i have to install flags?
13:20.12LukasT:))
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13:31.08alediaferiahi guys, I hope this is the right place to ask. In dolphin when hovering an icon, metas in infos dock are loaded. But if  I "unhover" the icon of the file, shouldn't metas be unloaded?
13:31.29lemmaalediaferia: I think they should stay
13:31.59lemmaalediaferia: just imagine you want to get some of the information but in the meantime have to answer a dialog box
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13:32.06lemmaalediaferia: then you'd have to hover again.
13:32.17lemmaalediaferia: .. and in the meantime the field would be empty
13:34.03alediaferialemma: uhm.. yes! :D and shouldn't be a way to unload by hand infos, to get back to folder infos?
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13:35.49lemmaalediaferia: I have to agree with that. I guess either clicking the folder name in the location-bar or clicking on the empty folder background would be intuitive
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13:37.01alediaferialemma: sure, I was thinking that too
13:37.17lemmaalediaferia: you can file a wish on bugs.kde.org :)
13:37.44alediaferialemma: ok, thanks!! :)
13:38.00lemmaalediaferia: you're welcome
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13:39.39AssociateXgood morning
13:39.58lemmaAssociateX: hi there!
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14:05.00hotdog92GTK+ rulezzzz :')
14:05.20fraydexgood day. I'd like to update my sabayon KDE3.5 version. I have no idea how to install KDE 4.0! I'm a sabayon (gentoo) noob an could really use some help here.
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14:06.09Jucatofraydex: please ask in #sabayon
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14:50.50velhocan i restart kde to default installation version or something?
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14:53.18pinotreevelho: #kubuntu-kde4
14:53.34velho#kubuntu-kde4
14:54.00thiago_homeno, join that channel
14:54.00velhopinotree, thanks =D
14:54.17velhothiago_home i got it ;)
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15:11.03lord_robHi ! Is it possible to disable the sound played when switching between virtual desktops in KDE 4.0.72 (using systemsettings) ?
15:11.58pinotreesure, systemsettings → notifications → system notifications
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15:13.09lord_robyes I had found that section already and removed all sounds
15:13.23lord_robbut still I keep hearing sound
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15:14.37freqmod_quDoes anybody know where to get kdesupport for kde 4.1-alpha1, or anything else that resolves "can not find akonadi includes" in kdepimlibs?
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15:17.11lord_robI will try to restart kde then and see
15:19.26alediaferiahi guys, maybe a really stupid question: how can I start a kded module? I'm in Service Manager..
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15:23.22arusselI want xpdf, emacs and konsole to start when I log in. I did: ln -s /usr/bin/{emacs,xpdf,konsole} /home/myhome/.kde/Autostart
15:24.06arusselbut now, when I log in, I got kate starting and opening the file /usr/bin/emacs and the others. Not what I expected. What can I do?
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15:26.09xororandi only have shellscripts in my ~/.kde/Autostart/ folder which works for me. you could try that. #!/bin/sh    /usr/bin/emacs &   /usr/bin/xpdf &    etc.
15:26.48arusselxororand: do you have only one script that starts all app ?
15:27.26xororandi have several
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15:28.32arusselxororand: thanks
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16:14.50arusselWhat does that mean: "Cannot move or copy folder amazon because it is not completely copied itself."
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16:15.06stdHi everybody
16:15.21arusselIt is a message from kmail when I try to copy folder amazon to another folder
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16:16.46stdUhm, I'm using KDE4.0.3 and i have a few icons on my desktop i can't get rid off. I can't delete them and they don't show up in ~/Desktop/ either. I don't know how to delete them. A find / -name "whatever" didn't help either... :( can anyone help?
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16:21.43lemmastd: what happens when you hover them with the mouse and click the x icon to remove them?
16:21.59hellhoundon kde 4, what program is used to search the words of files within a folder.  for example I want to search for files containing a specific word in a folder and its subfolder
16:22.55stdhellbound: you can always use grep in a console
16:23.34lemmahellhound: it uses the strigi daemon to do it
16:23.51JucatoKFind is still there
16:24.25Jucato(though why it starts so slow, I don't know)
16:24.49hellhoundlemma: is there anywhere i can go to learn how to use strigi?  I have tried and I know it is not finding all the files... it is not even looking in the folders I tell it under preferences
16:24.58Jucatohellhound: KFind, see the Contents tab, the "Containing text" works like grep
16:25.08lemmahellhound: sorry, I'm not using strigi myself...
16:25.29lemmahellhound: but the files are probably not found because strigi has to index them before you can find them
16:26.21stdcan no one help me getting rid of my icons on my desktop? :o
16:27.32lemma[18:21:38] <lemma> std: what happens when you hover them with the mouse and click the x icon to remove them?
16:28.42stdlemma: A "do you really want to delete this?" message appears, when answering yes the box disapears but the icon's still there :o
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16:28.53Maximilian001hi
16:29.04lemmastd: oh! that seems like a bug.
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16:29.27Maximilian001is there something like .kde/Autostart  but for the END of the session?   I need to define a command which has to be executed by logging out
16:29.30lemmastd: if you're into editing config files you could check your plasmarc
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16:29.54stdlemma: where can i find this?
16:30.04lemmastd: ~/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc
16:30.29hellhoundok yeah i just found the wiki page... apparently there is not a way to update strigi and it only searches through a few "commonly" used file formats.  I am trying to search for a phrase in about 100 css documents... apparently css is not common enough
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16:31.05stdlemma: thanks, let me check it out
16:31.14lemmastd: I hope it really is there :)
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16:32.00stdlemma: wrong file, there's only a [KFileDialog] setting and a [Theme] section... :(
16:32.11ejupinI can't get ftp to work with Dolphin in KDE4. The log-in window doesn't pop up.. am I missing a setting?
16:32.17logixoulhey, I changed the maildir in ~/.kde4/share/config/kmailrc from ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail to ~/.kde4/share/apps/kmail/mail (both exist). It worked but now deleting a message freezes kmail for like 1 minute. any ideas?
16:32.32logixoulejupin: maybe it popped up under some other windows?
16:32.53ejupinlogixoul: no, nothing else open
16:33.38stdejupin, i belive Dolphin  doesn't support gtp, does it?
16:33.49logixoulstd: of course it supports ftp...
16:34.05logixoulejupin: and the same server worked from konqueror 3?
16:34.11stdlogixoul: let me check it out
16:34.20ejupinlogixoul: yes
16:35.13stdlogixoul: yes you're right, worked just fine for me...
16:35.14logixouldunno, works here.
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16:35.17lemmastd: sorry, then I don't know :/
16:35.29lemmastd: you might search on bugs.kde.org or wait for someone who knows more
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16:35.49stdlemma: crap...yesh i think i'm gonna fila a bug... :o
16:36.01stdanother one :(
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16:39.01ushabais there a chat for noatun?
16:39.04ushabai don't see one listed
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16:43.24logixoulushaba: no noatun channel, no.
16:44.25ushabahmm
16:44.36ushabalogixoul: where should i look for a quick question
16:44.38ushaba?
16:44.57ushabai feel like this probably isn't the right place
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16:46.00logixoulactually this channel is okay.
16:46.08pinotree"don't ask to ask, just ask"
16:46.41ushabahaha, ok. i just have a quick question about winamp skins. is it possible to make noatun use the skin for the playlist and equalizers as well as for the main player?
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17:02.39indrohi all
17:02.50indroi get this error when running kdesvn build script:
17:03.17indro<PROTECTED>
17:03.26indroany idea what do i need to install that this works?
17:04.32milliamsIIRC kdesvn uses perl so I guess you need the Net::HTTP module
17:07.09indrohow do i find out in which package this module is?
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17:08.05milliamsWell that depends on your distro I think. I'm not really sure how Perl modules work TBH.
17:09.05indrookay, will ask in debian then.
17:09.31shevynormally you can just "compile" perl modules and they work
17:09.59milliamsTrue, though some distros provide most modules as rpms/debs
17:10.14milliamsopenSUSE e.g. has a perl-libwww-perl package
17:11.26shevyhehe
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17:11.52PovAddictKMail keyboard support is somewhat ugly...
17:12.43PovAddictwhile focused on the message list, I can't use up/down arrow keys to change the selection!
17:12.44tuxickPovAddict: agreed, it forces you to use mouse
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17:13.10PovAddictwhile on Windoze, I have experimented with UNPLUGGING my mouse and seeing if I could survive
17:13.56PovAddictwasn't too bad, with a few exceptions (like tray icons being possible but a pain to access)
17:14.06PovAddictKDE developers should do that often :)
17:14.10milliamsPovAddict: Left/right keys should do what you want
17:14.27PovAddictmilliams: ah thanks - intuitive...
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17:14.49milliamsPovAddict: Well you can always change any shortcut you want..
17:14.50PovAddicthow do I expand/collapse threads?
17:15.10milliams. and ,
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17:15.56milliamsThey're all in Settings → Configure Shortcuts...
17:16.16PovAddictalso, while focused on the folder list, I would expect to select a folder with up/down and open it with Enter
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17:16.31PovAddictbut Enter opens the message focused on the other list :/
17:16.56indromilliams: its libwww-perl here, i searched for something with http. ;)
17:17.01indrothx
17:17.14milliamsindro: No worries
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17:19.52PovAddictheh
17:20.05PovAddictKontact has everything and the KitchenSync huh? :)
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17:29.40miwiakonadi need _really_ mysql ?
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17:32.35pinotreemiwi: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#Akonadi_FAQ
17:33.24miwipinotree: thx
17:34.20PovAddictoh well
17:34.27PovAddictinstead of complaining I might as well learn Qt :)
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17:41.13PovAddictwow, sending files in Kopete is a normal copy operation to kopete://something? o_O
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17:58.04unclemikei notced something in my distro..when changing kde themes..styles..and window decorations...that everthing part of kde changes .. everything that belongs to the distro dont change..any ideas.... heres a snapshop of what im talking about...      http://www.geocities.com/goodoldunclemike/snapshot1.png
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17:59.49fdovingunclemike: the distro specific applications are probably not native KDE applications. If they are, they could be running as an administrative user, and would then probably read the 'root' users style settings.
18:00.45unclemikefirefox stays the same...just the top boarder changes
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18:01.10unclemikemandriva control center runs with root pass word
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18:03.01unclemikefdoving: that mean gota login as root then and change the root themes
18:03.32lemmaunclemike: you have to make sure the application is actually a kde/qt application. if it isn't it won't work
18:03.54lemmaunclemike: won't = might not :D
18:04.55unclemikelemma: whats firefox
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18:06.00Saul__hola
18:06.03Saul__si yo aqui
18:06.21lemmaunclemike: not kde
18:06.25Saul__wecos
18:06.26Saul__jajaja
18:06.33PovAddictSaul__: english
18:06.39unclemikek
18:06.40lemmaunclemike: firefox won't change the style. the kde webbrowser is called konqueror
18:06.57unclemikek
18:06.59Saul__espanol mi amigo
18:07.04Saul__no me gusta el ingles
18:07.09pinotreeSaul__: english please.
18:07.10Saul__solo wecos hablan ingles
18:07.27Saul__only gay talk english
18:07.29Saul__yeah
18:07.36Saul__jajajaja
18:07.41Saul__fuck
18:07.58pinotreeJuancho: behave
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18:08.43Juancho007hola alguien habla espanol
18:08.50pinotreeJuancho007: english please.
18:08.52lemmaJuancho007: #kde-es
18:09.01lemmaJuancho007: and no, not really
18:09.02Juancho007gracias
18:09.08lemmade nada
18:09.16Juancho007hablas espanol
18:09.17PovAddictlemma: there's like 2 people in there
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18:09.36lemmaPovAddict: it still doesn't make me speak spanish :/
18:09.42lemmaJuancho007: no :(
18:09.48Juancho007jajaja
18:09.53lemmaJuancho007: poquitito
18:09.58Juancho007como yo se ingles
18:10.04lemmaJuancho007: lol
18:10.35lemmaJuancho007: babelfish.altavista.com no est malo
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18:11.23Juancho007siempre gracias
18:11.33Juancho007sos hombre o mujer lemma?
18:12.17PovAddictJuancho007: are you here for KDE help or just for annoying people
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18:13.48Juancho007perdon no entiendo mucho el ingles
18:13.51lemmaJuancho007: ingles por favor
18:13.55Juancho007ok
18:14.04PovAddictugh fine
18:14.04lemmaPovAddict: he says he's sorry but he doesn't understand a lot of english :)
18:14.10Juancho007pero me ayudan
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18:14.19PovAddictJuancho007: estas aqui para pedir ayuda o nada mas para molestar?
18:14.34pinotreeJuancho007: english here, #kde-es spanish
18:14.44stdinhe understand enough to swear and call english speakers gay, I think he knows enough
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18:14.59Juancho007ok ok
18:15.03Juancho007pues es un chat
18:15.12Juancho007se usa para lo q se quiere o no?
18:15.23PovAddictno
18:15.23jazkafeed the troll
18:15.36Juancho007saben como se instala codec en fedora 8
18:15.38pinotreeJuancho007: english here, #kde-es spanish, ningunas otras opciones
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18:16.12Kalidarnhmmm in Kopete 3.5.9 i can't rename contacts anymore
18:16.14Kalidarnand i know i used to be able to in other versions of KDE 3.5
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18:16.39Juancho007me estas echando
18:16.42Juancho007jajaja
18:16.52PovAddictJuancho007: creo que estas demasiado acostumbrado a otros servidores de IRC adonde se habla de cualquier cosa en cualquier canal; en #kde se habla de KDE y en ingles, no de fedora y/o en español
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18:17.31Juancho007es mi primer dia aqui y ustedes me tratan mal
18:17.33Juancho007pero bueno
18:17.52Juancho007la se q los de kde son malas personas
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18:18.01Juancho007no buscan amistad
18:18.07pinotreeyawn
18:18.15Juancho007sol buscan saciar su hambre
18:18.39pinotreepare el gritar para nada, por favor
18:19.30Kalidarnnot able to find the "Rename Contact" which it speaks of here http://docs.kde.org/kde3/en/kdenetwork/kopete/using-kopete.html#organise-contacts
18:19.45Kalidarni thought i just used to rightclick on the name, and hit rename.
18:20.13Kalidarni can do it if i hit properties
18:20.14Kalidarnin there.
18:21.14lemmaKalidarn: sorry, I can't say more than: I don't have it either
18:21.21lemmaKalidarn: but I don't remember using that feature
18:23.39Juancho007sorry
18:23.43Juancho007bye bye
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18:26.29oneforallhow is it in 3.5.9 you turn on that crashgaurd or what ever it was called. would send bug reports if you wanted?
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18:39.59ethan961lol okay...
18:40.06ethan961isn't russian
18:41.23shevyare you alien?
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19:18.01oneforallhow is it in 3.5.9 you turn on that crashgaurd or what ever it was called. would send bug reports if you wanted?
19:19.07pinotree?
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19:19.40pinotreecan you please tell that in some form of understandable and non-lamer english? thanks
19:20.14lemmaoneforall: no, it doesn't send bug reports but only produces backtraces you can post on bugs.kde.org to help the developers find the bug
19:20.39lemmaoneforall: however you will have to copy&paste the backtrace manually
19:20.45oneforallyeah bactraces and then you could send them if you want or just cancel
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19:21.57oneforallbeen a while but I thought there was a button for close/cancel or save/send the backtrace . oh well whats the name of it so I can start it thanks
19:23.11lemmaoneforall: help -> report bugs and wishes
19:23.23lemmaoneforall: I don't think there's a button in the crash dialog
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19:25.37oneforallhmm not finding that inthe search . not under ustil etc . was it removed ?
19:26.09oneforallwish I could rememebr the name of it too :D
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19:50.51shevyhmm, if you are on kde4, is it possible to send every running application to tray-icon area?
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19:51.43g2g591it doesnt seem to be any easy way to do it yet
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19:54.12Ademan_hey can anyone tell me where ksirtet stores its score data?
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20:00.07darxhi i just remove adobe reader and now when ever i try to open a pdf with kpdf, it complains of unknown mimetype application/octed-stream or something like that. What is this?
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20:12.17tech9inerg'day boils n goyles.. ;]]
20:12.55pinotreethrows a can of iced water on tech9iner
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20:13.56tech9inerprrrrfect timing pino lol.. i jus sat down from running vacuum & startn some laundry n breakn a tad 0 sweat.. thanks pal0mine pinotree hehe
20:14.24tech9inerlong as it wasnt dipped outta my beach couple 0 hundred yards away ..
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20:22.08trenthello everybody, kdebase from trunk gives me this http://pastebin.com/d3104324f any help please?
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20:24.53pinotreerm CMakeCache.txt in the builddir, and rerun cmake
20:25.10tech9inerso lads & lassies.. whats 'our' favorite gui dependent path to listening to two sound inputs in sync please.. ideally with ability to separate volume levels.. no pressure now ;]]..
20:25.18tech9inerhope i mentioned please & thanks..
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20:25.35pinotreetry with audacity, probably
20:25.45trentpinotree:ok thanks
20:25.58tech9inerah yes.. havent ran aud for probably 3 yrs or so..
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20:39.56Ademan_so... anyone know where ksirtet stores score data?
20:41.05TindorAdeman_, probably here : ~/.kde/share/config/ksirtetrc
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20:44.19Ademan_Tindor: wow thanks, wtf
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20:44.36Ademan_i did find ~/ -iname ksirtet if i had a stupid wildcard at the end i would have found it
20:44.46gerkuhola
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20:46.14TindorAdeman_, well, it happens. That's why I use locate -i someFile :)
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20:47.19|Dreams|i need some help my computer thinks that my home folder is my desktop folder
20:47.40Ademan_:-p
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20:48.32|Dreams|is there anywat to reinstall kde without losing all my stuff?
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20:50.41Saul__hola
20:50.42Saul__gente
20:50.44Saul__como estas
20:50.56Saul__alguien necesita un amigo?
20:51.31Ademan_Saul__ > /dev/null
20:51.39Saul__jajaja
20:51.43Saul__graciosa
20:51.52|Dreams|can anyone helpp me please
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20:52.33thunderbolt|Dreams|: It depends on what you mean by "stuff", if you reinstall KDE it shouldn't touch any files in your home directory except for .kde stuff...
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20:52.49|Dreams|ah right
20:53.09|Dreams|thanks any ideas how to just reinstall kde on kubuntu or am i better off asking in #kubuntu
20:53.16Ademan_|Dreams|: if you describe the problem more, maybe we can fix the problem, i figure the reason why your computer thinks your home dir is your desktop has to do with some faulty config, hardly worth a reinstall
20:53.27|Dreams|ok
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20:54.02|Dreams|well on my desktop when i go to properties and allow icons on there all my folders show up becuase kde thinks my home folder is my desktop folder
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20:54.35AbsintheSyringehow do I start kmail minimized?
20:55.12|Dreams|i tried making a new folder called Desktop in my home folder but.. didnt work
20:55.32|Dreams|brb going to try something
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20:56.49pumphausopening things in konqueror (kde 3.5) has become quite slow by now - it almost takes one second
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20:56.58|Dreams|nope didnt work
20:57.02pumphaususing the file-open dialog it's much faste
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20:57.32pumphausI looked through ~/.kde/share/[apps|config]/konq* but found nothing relevant
20:57.35pumphausany ideas?
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21:06.39dasosi'm not seeing the option to set different wallpapers for each virtual desktop in kde4 (fresh install of kubuntu 8.04 remix), has it moved?
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21:09.06SSJ_GZdasos: I'm  not sure if that feature has been re-added in KDE4, yet.
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21:10.57dasosdarnit =( at least it wasn't my searching at fault
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21:12.36dasoswhat is an application that is part of kde that i could test my webcam on?
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21:14.57dasosooh, ignore that, got it up in kopete
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21:19.42|Dreams|ok my desktop is showing the entire contents of my home folder how i do fix?
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21:19.56gromeoguys what if I add my folder with subfolders with scripts to pentest folder, how do I add it to the k menu for all users without doing it manually for every one?
21:20.15gromeoI mean, I have a folder at the root of the drive, with subfolders inside
21:20.29gromeoand want to add it to the k menu automatically
21:20.32gromeofor every user
21:20.57PhilRod|Dreams|: there's an option for paths in control center somewhere - check that's not set to ~
21:21.08PhilRod|Dreams|: I don't remember exactly where, but I guess you can find it
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21:21.29|Dreams|thanks will take a look
21:21.53PhilRodgromeo: take a look at the kde user guide, section "kde for admins" - there's lots of info about how the menu works there
21:22.07PhilRodif you can't find it there, try the freedesktop.org menu spec, which is what KDE uses
21:25.45gromeoisn't there an automated way to add hundreds of scripts and subfolders to the menu, instead of editing them manually?
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21:32.27faderhvalgood evening
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21:39.49dasosmight be a silly question, but does adept manager update the kmenu with new installed apps?
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21:42.04xjuniorhi, what is the official app for digital cameras in kde 4?
21:42.08xjuniorand what is that "kamera" package?
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21:46.50electrode_are the files in /home/electrode/tmp/kde-electrode safe to delete? - They're taking up a lot of space, and I think they're just spool files that were left behind by konqueror
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21:50.46ejupini am trying to restart kdm because i cant log into kde since a reboot. i cant seem to get it to work
21:50.49ejupinany ideas?
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21:55.01PhilRodgromeo: not that I know of, but I'm sure a little shell scripting is your friend there
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21:55.41PhilRoddasos: if the apps install the right desktop files, then they'll get menu entries - I expect the packagers have ensured that that's the case
21:55.42faderhvalejupin: did you install nvidia drivers recently?
21:56.25xjuniorhi, what is the official app for digital cameras in kde 4? and what is that "kamera" package?
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21:58.26PhilRodxjunior: for photo management, you probably want digikam (if it's ported)
21:59.04PhilRodkamera is an ioslave for accessing digital cameras, IIRC. You can probably just access your camera as a usb device though, in which case kamera will be unneccesary
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22:02.02PovAddicthow do I change pseudo-protocol associations?
22:02.20PovAddictclicking irc:// links in konqueror focuses Kopete (without doing anything useful), instead of connecting with Konversation
22:03.02PhilRodyou need an appropriate irc.protocol file in, um, ~/.kde/share/services/ I think
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22:05.43stdinthe one in ${KDEPREFIX}/share/services/konvirc.protocol should do
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22:12.33PovAddictseems to have worked... sort of
22:12.33PovAddictI clicked a link and it did *another* connection to freenode :\
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22:14.47PovAddicttrying to scan with Kooka
22:14.57PovAddict...I don't like the noises it makes my scanner do...
22:15.15PovAddictit seems to keep the 'light' on all the time too
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22:18.18Xbehavecan kde4 be made to look like kde3? and if not are they any plans of allowing this in latter versions
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22:19.46PhilRodXbehave: isn't the plastik theme available? I thought it was, but ICBW
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22:21.19Xbehaveim not sure ive not got kde4 yet, i just preffer kde3 to the screenshots ive seen, and instead of going OMG THEY SUXORS wonderd if ill be able to keep it looking the same, thx
22:23.20PhilRodI don't have time to check right now, but someone else here might know
22:23.39PhilRodthere are certainly plenty of options for re-theming it, some of which are much more kde3-like
22:24.15Xbehaveahh thats good, so unsuprisingly all the fuss was about nothing
22:24.19Xbehavethx
22:24.39PhilRodnp
22:24.42PhilRodgood luck :-0
22:24.45PhilRoderr, wrong smiley
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22:25.17airer-girlhi this might be a bad place to ask but um.. i want to use some of the icons in kde-look.org for my website is it ok if i do?
22:25.35lemmaairer-girl: it depends on the license of the icon pack
22:25.39PovAddictairer-girl: each icon pack should have a license
22:25.43PovAddictso look at it
22:25.50airer-girloh
22:25.53airer-girlwhat if it doesnt have a license?
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22:26.19PovAddictthen I *think* it wouldn't be allowed in kde-look :)
22:26.32PovAddictpeople are supposed to tell you what you're allowed to do with it...
22:27.24airer-girlhm
22:27.28airer-girlwell they can add it and not add the license
22:33.14PovAddictshow me one without license :)
22:34.40gromeojust use small text at the bottom of the web site that you used graphics form kde
22:34.56gromeoand point to the author if needed by the license
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22:35.20lemmaairer-girl: actually if it doesn't have a license it means it's not free afaik
22:35.54GNU\colossustrue that. at least for countries where copyright applies.
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22:36.37GNU\colossusif you're neither the author, nor one of his licensees, you may not distribute any work subject to copyright law
22:37.02airer-girlok ty :)
22:37.09Xbehaveif thiers no license specified isnt there a good chance the owner doesnt care, meaning the best thing is to ask them and they will probably say ok
22:38.31airer-girlthanks :)
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23:58.13DanielWi still have this black and unusable desktop problem in trunk.  even the plasma add widget thing in the top right corner is missing.  i already tried to delete plasma config and restart plasma
23:58.25DanielWpanel is shown
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23:59.49Jucatoyou have tried moving/removing the plasma* config files?

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