| 00:02.02 | Goofankle | Er wait, I was trying to run konqueror from the KDE 4 konsole, and that fixed that problem, but the KDE 4 version on konqueror started up, and I'm trying to use the KDE 3 version. When I try running konqueror from a KDE 3 konsole, it just sits there and doesn't say anything. |
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| 00:04.04 | g2g591 | strange |
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| 00:04.55 | g2g591 | Goofankle: did you try export DISPLAY=":0" first? if you did, then, perhaps ##suse can help more . your distro channel should be the 1st place to ask |
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| 00:06.43 | Goofankle | Yeah, I did export DISPLAY. And thanks, I'll go ask in #suse, I just thought #kde would be better since it's KDE programs that aren't working. |
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| 00:26.53 | emss | how to disable the scrollbars in konqueror? |
| 00:28.13 | ethan961 | you can |
| 00:28.15 | ethan961 | t |
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| 00:33.52 | MaxHeadroom | Hello, what is a good way to add or approximate tab session saving to current 3.x konq web browsing? |
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| 00:55.41 | sjuxax | Trying to compile KDE 4.1 beta from tarballs. Get /kde/src/kdebase-4.0.80/apps/dolphin/src/dolphincategorydrawer.cpp:32:36: error: nepomuk/kratingpainter.h: No such file or directory. Thing is properly extracted and kdelibs-4.0.80 has been successfully extracted and compiled. Any idea how to fix this? Thanks. : ) |
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| 01:15.15 | anselmolsm | sjuxax, did you "make install" kdelibs anywhere? |
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| 01:21.06 | sjuxax | anselmolsm, yes, make install'd kdelibs to /opt/kde4/, thing should be configured for it ... followed guide and worked with KDE 4.0.4 |
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| 01:21.48 | anselmolsm | sjuxax, ok |
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| 01:30.59 | tinin | how could I disable the windows from sticking to the borders? |
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| 01:40.33 | passw0rdz | yo |
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| 01:42.03 | passw0rdz | I'm having difficulty with kde4 in fedora 9. gnome works fine, however kde4 starts up in what seems twice |
| 01:42.18 | passw0rdz | and the taskbar is all cut off (seems like mismatched resolution...) |
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| 01:43.00 | passw0rdz | wondering if anyone could help me out, or at least maybe start me off so I can go rtfm :) |
| 01:44.47 | passw0rdz | I tried messing with resolutions, but the taskbar is still not where it is supposed to be, and like I said there seems to be two instances of kde running? I dunno. Hopefully someone here isn't asleep or haplessly idling |
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| 01:46.47 | passw0rdz | twiddles thumbs |
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| 01:47.30 | passw0rdz | knock knock... |
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| 01:48.11 | White^Knight | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.38 | White^Knight | can anyone help? |
| 01:51.29 | passw0rdz | my sentiment exactly =] |
| 01:52.02 | White^Knight | screw it, i'll just use gnome |
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| 02:29.17 | STSX | When I choose "offline mode" with the knetworkmanager, my wireless connection still stays active and usable. Is this a bug? Or am I missing something? |
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| 02:30.42 | xzedn | what command runs kde4 settings? |
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| 02:31.39 | Jucato | xzedn: systemsettings |
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| 02:35.38 | xzedn | doesn't work |
| 02:35.58 | xzedn | wait |
| 02:37.06 | xzedn | that's kde 3 |
| 02:37.11 | xzedn | not kde 4 |
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| 02:40.38 | Jucato | huh? |
| 02:40.57 | Jucato | KDE 4 has "systemsettings", which is "inherited" from Kubuntu's "systemsettings" |
| 02:41.09 | Jucato | if you're running Kubuntu, you might have it as "systemsettings-kde4" |
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| 02:56.35 | ghosTM55 | hi all , how to change the icon of kmenu(kicker)??? |
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| 03:04.06 | Drantin | anyone else have the problem in KDE4.0.4 with the gui hanging when displaying tooltips for the items in the plasma kicker-like thing? happens with compositing enabled or disabled... |
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| 04:37.34 | dbglt | has anyone had any success in changing the plasma workspace shortcut? It changes fine, but then doesn't work for me |
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| 05:40.58 | zsz | [06:05:22]<Drantin> anyone else have the problem in KDE4.0.4 with the gui hanging when displaying tooltips for the items in the plasma kicker-like thing? happens with compositing enabled or disabled -- that happens to me once in a while |
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| 05:43.10 | zsz | Drantin: one time the gui magically unfroze when I logged in to the computer via ssh (don't know if it makes sense at all) |
| 05:43.41 | Drantin | well, it doesn't stay hung, it unhangs in about 5 seconds normally... |
| 05:43.47 | Drantin | a few times it lasts around 30... |
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| 05:43.57 | Drantin | it's lasted* |
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| 05:45.56 | zsz | sometimes it stays frozen for me, until I get fed up of waiting and reboot the computer |
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| 06:02.56 | gmartyn | Drantin: Are you running Firefox 3 at the time? |
| 06:03.16 | Drantin | nope, and it happens without firefox 2 running as well |
| 06:03.25 | gmartyn | ah nm then |
| 06:03.31 | Drantin | 2.0.0.14 |
| 06:04.43 | oneforall | whats wrong wiht ff 2.0.0.14? |
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| 06:06.06 | gmartyn | nothing that i know of |
| 06:06.25 | gmartyn | ff3 can make your system freeze for a couple seconds |
| 06:07.06 | oneforall | ah those script pages thatr it takes for ever loading eh |
| 06:07.29 | oneforall | or pops up the , would you like to continue |
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| 06:08.09 | gmartyn | nah |
| 06:08.45 | gmartyn | they started using a database, sqlite, that calls fsync(), which isn't properly implemented on ext3 |
| 06:08.58 | gmartyn | it works fine, but it does more work than it needs to |
| 06:09.08 | gmartyn | so your system will pause while it works |
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| 06:10.07 | oneforall | ah crap . thats like nmap gui wants that too . I don't have it . wish they would go back to the other gui |
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| 06:11.34 | oneforall | shoudl be made to use mysql too or disable :) |
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| 06:25.17 | marcusU | I don't have flash installed. I do not want it. Every time a web page in Konqueror loads that uses flash, I get a dialog asking if I want to Save As/Open/Cancel. Is there a way to get rid of that permanently? |
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| 06:28.16 | dbglt | mmm :( plasma in kde 4.1 is playing up |
| 06:28.20 | dbglt | getting artifacts all over the place |
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| 06:28.28 | dbglt | was working so great until now, too! |
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| 06:31.21 | marcusU | I'm waiting for KDE 5.0 and skipping 4.x entirely. |
| 06:32.42 | SSJ_GZ | marcusU: What makes you think 5.0 will be any smoother? A major departure from an existing codebase will always have plenty of bugs. |
| 06:33.06 | marcusU | SSJ_GZ: The move from KDE 2.x to KDE 3.0 was quite smooth. |
| 06:33.39 | SSJ_GZ | marcusU: KDE2.x to 3.0 wasn't a major departure - it was a straight port to a new toolkit which was often source-compatible. |
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| 06:34.24 | SSJ_GZ | marcusU: Although, to be fair, it's quite likely that 4.x -> 5.0 will be similar :) |
| 06:34.30 | marcusU | Why is 2.x to 3.x any easier than 3.x to 4.x? |
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| 06:35.07 | SSJ_GZ | marcusU: For the reasons I said. |
| 06:35.39 | marcusU | I predict that KDE 4.x will be a nightmare that hopefully will be put behind us in KDE 5.x |
| 06:36.53 | SSJ_GZ | marcusU: 4-5 years is a long time. Plenty of time for KDE4 to shine. What aspect of KDE4 is so bad that it will require an API change to fix it? |
| 06:36.54 | miwi | moinsen |
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| 06:38.14 | SSJ_GZ | I win :) |
| 06:39.24 | dbglt | give kde4 6 more months |
| 06:39.29 | dbglt | then it will be good enough for most people |
| 06:39.34 | dbglt | I say a year to be properly polished |
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| 06:40.24 | thiago_home | KDE 5 is not planned to before 2015 |
| 06:40.33 | dbglt | woah |
| 06:40.34 | dbglt | nice :P |
| 06:40.54 | thiago_home | because Qt is not planned to break BC again until 2013 at least |
| 06:41.08 | dbglt | seems so so far away |
| 06:41.13 | dbglt | but then I realise it's 2008 already |
| 06:41.14 | dbglt | wow. |
| 06:41.20 | SSJ_GZ | thiago_home: Cool :) |
| 06:41.23 | dbglt | 2015 sounds a lifetime a way! |
| 06:41.27 | thiago_home | right |
| 06:41.35 | thiago_home | so saying you'll be waiting for kde5 is pointless |
| 06:41.45 | thiago_home | besides, we could just name KDE 4.1 5.0. |
| 06:41.49 | thiago_home | a number means *nothing* |
| 06:41.59 | njdube | Will I be able to rearrange the icons in my KMenu Favorites in 4.1? |
| 06:42.02 | dbglt | I'm using b1 now, much nicer than 4.0.4 |
| 06:42.18 | thiago_home | dbglt: and 4.2 will be much nicer than 4.1 |
| 06:42.20 | thiago_home | and so forth |
| 06:42.21 | dbglt | njdube: yes |
| 06:42.31 | dbglt | njdube: you can remove favourites by right clicking |
| 06:42.41 | dbglt | njdube: and add others to favourties by right clicking and adding them |
| 06:43.16 | njdube | dbglt, Nice! I just installed 4.0 and found I couldn't. |
| 06:43.36 | dbglt | njdube: yeah 4.1 is a big improvement |
| 06:43.46 | dbglt | njdube: start to see some of the potential more clearly |
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| 06:44.01 | njdube | dbglt, I've got the adding and removing part figured out. |
| 06:44.53 | njdube | dbglt, I'm just glad compiz-fision is working in KDE 4.0 nicely. And I just updated it so now I have a sphere instead of a cube. I think I just creamed my pants. |
| 06:45.00 | njdube | fusion... |
| 06:45.13 | dbglt | njdube: I just use the built in kde effects. What's the difference? |
| 06:45.22 | dbglt | haven't played with compiz since beryl days (early on) |
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| 06:47.25 | njdube | dbglt, compiz-fusion is a lot more stable now. I played with it every now and then. I was waiting for them to some things worked out and make it more stable with my hardware. Now that it is I'm using it more regularly. |
| 06:48.30 | njdube | dbglt, Do a search for compiz on youtube. You should find videos to show off it's latest features. |
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| 06:49.02 | dbglt | njdube: oh yeah, you can use kmenuedit as well to play with menu structure |
| 06:49.27 | njdube | dbglt, I was hoping the PIM packages would be usable before KDE 4.1 |
| 06:49.28 | njdube | I just tried to load the newer Kontact and it's all funky. |
| 06:50.31 | dbglt | I'm waiting for a kubuntu package for that |
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| 06:51.28 | dbglt | oh and... kde power management. What's the plan for kde 4? |
| 06:51.47 | dbglt | I use kpowersave now, but that's based on kde3 |
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| 06:53.55 | thiago_home | dbglt: port kpowersave |
| 06:54.13 | dbglt | thiago_home: any test/progress made? Google seems scarce |
| 06:54.27 | thiago_home | I have no more a clue than you |
| 06:54.31 | thiago_home | probably no progress yet |
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| 06:56.10 | dbglt | thiago_home: cool :) |
| 06:56.31 | nplus | what does the black/blue dot in a circle near the window icon? |
| 06:57.50 | nplus | I figured it out :) |
| 06:59.59 | fm | does anybody have poppler 0.8.2 and can verify https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16215. just open the attached pdf ... |
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| 07:01.36 | Dumble | hello world ! |
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| 07:12.20 | Marchitos | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.27 | Marchitos | when starting a kde 4 session? |
| 07:12.42 | Marchitos | i am using opensuse build service packages |
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| 07:54.21 | oneforall | fm what does that pdf crash with ? kpdf? |
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| 07:59.52 | oneforall | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16215 weird that doesn't want to load in konq filemanager mode or web mode |
| 07:59.59 | oneforall | Could not connect to host bugs.freedesktop.org. |
| 08:00.03 | fm | oneforall: okular |
| 08:00.40 | oneforall | hmm whats that ? some kde4 app? |
| 08:01.02 | fm | oneforall: yes the document viewer |
| 08:01.31 | oneforall | hmm weird why is my knoq not wanting to opena https |
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| 08:39.36 | EvanR | hey, how do i set up the specifics for how dragging icons works, currently when i release it gives me a menu, how do i make one of the choices default |
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| 08:42.32 | gmartyn | dunno but you can hold down one of shift / ctrl / alt? while dragging to auto choose copy, move, etc |
| 08:42.46 | EvanR | yeah |
| 08:42.58 | EvanR | wanted to make it one handed... |
| 08:44.21 | EvanR | when kde first starts up, you can choose kde style, windows style, mac style, sun style.... and i thought it said there was a way to change that later... |
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| 08:55.50 | squid0 | hi. I'm having issues with knetworkmanager :( It stays connected to my home wifi LAN while I'm logged in, but when I lock the screen for more than a few minutes, when I come back it's been disconnected, and is asking for my kwallet password. What's the story?? |
| 08:57.00 | qupada | open kwalletmanager, settings > configure wallet, turn off "close when screensaver starts" |
| 08:57.14 | squid0 | qupada: aha! I'll try that. thanks |
| 08:57.49 | qupada | knetworkmanager uses your wallet to store your wireless passwords, i think the deal is it is forced to close anything using any passwords from the wallet when the wallet closes |
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| 08:58.22 | squid0 | yes, I think that's right. |
| 08:59.39 | squid0 | in fact, 'close when screensaver starts' was unchecked to begin with. |
| 08:59.44 | qupada | your other option is to tell knetworkmanager to store passwords in its config file instead of the wallet, but you lose the encryption and safety features of the wallet by doing it |
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| 09:00.22 | squid0 | this leads me to believe that, for some reason, when I leave the computer for extended times, it doesn't use the wifi connection for 10+ minutes. |
| 09:00.56 | squid0 | I thought to put wifi passwords in their own wallet, and have that open all the time, with no automatic closing rules. what do you think? |
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| 09:01.47 | qupada | can't see an problem with that |
| 09:01.55 | qupada | s/an/any |
| 09:02.24 | squid0 | oh, the only thing is that I think those rules are global, and apply to all wallets. :( |
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| 09:12.11 | Gerryg | Hello, this is the first time I have ever used IRC, so if I use bad protocols I apologise in advance |
| 09:12.43 | Gerryg | I am trying to solve a problem with using KDE4 on bugs.kde, it has been suggsted that I ask here |
| 09:12.58 | Gerryg | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161767 |
| 09:13.17 | Gerryg | apparanent it could be environmental variables and I have no idea what they are |
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| 09:13.29 | Gerryg | May I ask for some help, please? |
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| 09:21.53 | squid0 | environment variables are variables that have values in the environment. look at man bash |
| 09:22.43 | njdube | How do I change the default programs that are open when I click on files (for example AVI) in Dolphin? I want AVI files to be opened by Dragon Player but instead it's opened by mplayer when I click on an AVI file. |
| 09:24.03 | blauzahl-laptop | Gerryg: try #bash or goggle search: export environment variable |
| 09:25.19 | squid0 | njdube: what version of kde are you using? |
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| 09:25.42 | blauzahl-laptop | Gerryg: oh, no. stay here. :) |
| 09:26.33 | Gerryg | I'm out of my depth, need to do more work |
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| 09:28.12 | blauzahl-laptop | bah, i was about to tell him to ask grundleborg_away, since he actually commented on that report... |
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| 09:30.18 | Arnooo | hi all, |
| 09:30.40 | Arnooo | I'm experiencing some pbs with Dolphin and SMB share |
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| 09:31.23 | Arnooo | Using Dolphin 1.0.2 under KDE 4.0.4 |
| 09:31.52 | Arnooo | I can access my shares and authenticate without any kind of pbs. |
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| 09:32.43 | Arnooo | But when I try to copy/paste some folders, I've got an "access denied" error |
| 09:32.44 | sandsmark | wtf is a pbs? |
| 09:32.51 | Arnooo | problems |
| 09:32.57 | Arnooo | sorry |
| 09:33.10 | sandsmark | do you have write access to the folder you're trying to paste to? |
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| 09:33.24 | annma | is it a NTSF partition? |
| 09:33.39 | annma | can you copy/paste in konsole from/to the same folders? |
| 09:33.57 | annma | Arnooo: ^^ |
| 09:34.06 | Arnooo | @ sandsmark : here are the share definition : |
| 09:34.09 | Arnooo | writable = yes |
| 09:34.09 | Arnooo | 296 valid users = arnaud.mombrial |
| 09:34.09 | Arnooo | 297 directory mode = 0770 |
| 09:34.35 | Arnooo | annma: it's a samba on ext3 / lvm share |
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| 09:34.40 | annma | can you copy/paste in konsole from/to the same folders? |
| 09:34.49 | annma | in terminal with cp |
| 09:34.53 | annma | does it work? |
| 09:35.02 | sandsmark | Arnooo: try with smbclient (it works like an ftp client)? |
| 09:35.37 | sandsmark | Arnooo: also, what user is samba running as? |
| 09:35.48 | whirm | hi all! |
| 09:36.02 | sandsmark | whirm: sup dawg? |
| 09:36.04 | sandsmark | =P |
| 09:36.18 | Arnooo | root 18813 0.0 0.1 12720 3720 ? Ss 10:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D |
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| 09:36.44 | sandsmark | does it drop privileges? |
| 09:37.08 | sandsmark | or can you just try with something other than dolphin (maybe if you have a windows machine handy)? |
| 09:37.33 | Arnooo | sandsmark: it works perfectly from Windows or Mac Os Station |
| 09:37.53 | Arnooo | With the same credentials |
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| 09:38.41 | Arnooo | Does Dolphin logs its activity somewhere? |
| 09:38.58 | annma | run dolphin from konsole to see the output |
| 09:39.02 | annma | dolphin & |
| 09:39.45 | annma | also try with another linux file manager |
| 09:43.32 | Arnooo | dolphin(5541)/kdeui (KNotification) KNotification::slotReceivedId: 0 |
| 09:43.32 | Arnooo | dolphin(5541)/kdeui (KNotification) KNotification::~KNotification: 0 |
| 09:43.54 | pinotree | nothing wrong with that |
| 09:44.08 | Arnooo | This is what is logged when I try to copy / paste from my local hard drive to this smb share |
| 09:44.36 | Arnooo | Soory, I've forget this |
| 09:44.38 | Arnooo | dolphin(5541)/kio (KIOJob) KIO::stat: stat KUrl("file:///home/Arnoo/Workspace/faberNovel/VoIP") |
| 09:44.38 | Arnooo | dolphin(5541)/kio (KIOJob) KIO::SlaveInterface::dispatch: error 115 "smb://192.168.1.3/ARLE/VoIP" |
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| 09:52.49 | Arnooo | the whole process is here http://pastebin.com/mc0957ef |
| 09:53.46 | annma | do you have another Linux file manager to test? |
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| 09:57.14 | Arnooo | annma: I'm only running kde4, don't know what could be useful but dolphin |
| 09:57.30 | Arnooo | Do you have something in mind ? |
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| 09:59.04 | Arnooo | Doesn't work more with Konqueror |
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| 09:59.22 | annma | ah |
| 09:59.28 | annma | so it's not a dolphin bug |
| 10:00.11 | Arnooo | indeed |
| 10:00.15 | Arnooo | ;) |
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| 10:00.49 | Arnooo | sorry for the noise |
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| 10:05.55 | Half-Left | damn, I can't seem to get gwenview compiled for KDE4.1beta |
| 10:06.45 | Half-Left | Some kind of error with libkipi |
| 10:07.36 | pinotree | most probably, i fixed it in svn few days ago |
| 10:09.13 | Half-Left | kipi seems to be looking at my qt3 rather than kde4 is that a issue? |
| 10:10.01 | Half-Left | or is qt3 a requirement for it? |
| 10:10.34 | annma | libkipi is in extragear/libs iirc |
| 10:10.45 | annma | hmmm, no |
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| 10:11.16 | Half-Left | yer but I need it for gwenview, I've got all the other kdegraphics apps to compile and install ok |
| 10:11.28 | annma | Half-Left: do yu build the KDE tarballs? |
| 10:11.34 | Half-Left | yes |
| 10:11.52 | Unixawy | hey all wassup |
| 10:12.02 | Half-Left | yo |
| 10:12.04 | annma | so paste the exact error |
| 10:12.08 | annma | in pastebin |
| 10:12.21 | Half-Left | ok |
| 10:12.31 | Phlogi | why do my gtk apps not pick up the style set in .gtkrc-2.0 when I start them with krunner? From console works fine |
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| 10:13.45 | Half-Left | annma: http://pastebin.com/m7b958f3d |
| 10:14.06 | Unixawy | who know good application for editing web pages like front page !!! |
| 10:14.15 | Half-Left | Thats right from the part where it says what % it's done |
| 10:14.18 | annma | Unixawy: real men do that in editors |
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| 10:14.30 | annma | Half-Left: what about cmake output? |
| 10:14.54 | Half-Left | annma: cmake is ok but I can't scroll up to far |
| 10:15.18 | annma | cmake is ok? doe sit find libkipi? |
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| 10:15.43 | Half-Left | yer, but I can't scroll up enough to see |
| 10:16.24 | Half-Left | lots of linker messages |
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| 10:17.37 | Half-Left | oh here we go |
| 10:18.26 | annma | you need libkipi from extragear/libs |
| 10:18.36 | Half-Left | + KIPI |
| 10:18.38 | annma | libkipi is moving to kdegraphics now |
| 10:18.45 | Phlogi | anyone knows how to integrate okular in firefox, so thats embedded? |
| 10:18.49 | annma | I just enquired to the devel |
| 10:18.58 | Half-Left | annma: oh ok thanks |
| 10:19.07 | annma | Phlogi: firefox is not a KDE app, submit that to Firefox |
| 10:19.25 | Phlogi | annma: it worked with kpdf.... |
| 10:19.28 | annma | Half-Left: sorry for the mess, bad cmake output from GWenview author |
| 10:19.29 | Phlogi | you can use mozplugger for that |
| 10:19.41 | Phlogi | now okular is just opened but not embedded |
| 10:20.37 | Half-Left | annma: :) |
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| 10:29.18 | Half-Left | damn, more out of date libs |
| 10:29.42 | darx | hi folks, where can i find binaries of kde 4.1 beta for ubuntu? |
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| 10:33.22 | annma | darx: #kubunut |
| 10:33.25 | annma | darx: #kubuntu |
| 10:34.29 | darx | annma: nobody seems to know.. i did ask there first. |
| 10:35.10 | annma | google then |
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| 10:37.44 | Half-Left | annma: libkdcraw is not seeing LCMS, I have current version installed, any ideas? |
| 10:38.40 | Half-Left | can't build kipi without it |
| 10:39.02 | annma | are you building libkipi from extragear/libs? |
| 10:39.06 | Half-Left | yep |
| 10:39.24 | Half-Left | CMake Error: LCMS_DIR is not set. |
| 10:39.32 | annma | build the whole extragear/libs |
| 10:39.40 | annma | not only libkipi |
| 10:40.03 | annma | libkdcraw is in extragear/libs as well |
| 10:40.18 | Half-Left | ok, lets try it :p |
| 10:40.47 | annma | the devels are soting this mess out right now Half-Left |
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| 10:40.56 | annma | soting/sorting |
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| 10:41.10 | Half-Left | oh good :) |
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| 10:43.55 | Half-Left | annma: One more issue I have with KDE4.1beta, When I login the screen it bigger than the resolution, it seems the panel stays at that bigger res and I have to drag the panel in the different res to get to see it in 1440x900 :p |
| 10:44.15 | Half-Left | smaller resolution* |
| 10:44.52 | Half-Left | i.e the plasma panel is off screen at 1440x900 |
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| 10:45.21 | annma | weird I did not have this issue but I run 1280x800 |
| 10:46.44 | Half-Left | yer I have to move the plasma panel at 1280x1024 up to the top to get it showing in 1440x900 |
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| 10:47.51 | Half-Left | mind you thats what KDM does as well so it's carrying it through to the session |
| 10:48.19 | Half-Left | I need to ad kde4 to my gdm session somehow |
| 10:48.22 | Half-Left | add* |
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| 10:51.30 | Half-Left | Never thought I'd miss compiling so much |
| 10:51.40 | annma | Half-Left: libkipi just moved to kdegraphics!!! |
| 10:52.05 | Half-Left | so I can bring down the svn for that now? |
| 10:53.37 | annma | wait a few hours until it's all done |
| 10:53.49 | annma | the first svn mv just happened, cleaning is required |
| 10:54.05 | Half-Left | ok thanks |
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| 10:55.41 | Half-Left | annma: KDE4 apps seem to be talking their time or is that normal? |
| 10:55.56 | annma | how come? |
| 10:56.26 | Half-Left | apps like konversation |
| 10:57.03 | annma | oh |
| 10:57.12 | annma | well that's up to the devel |
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| 10:57.24 | annma | most people have kdelibs 3 and use konvi from there |
| 10:57.33 | Half-Left | I'd rather use fully kde4 than have kde3 stuff installed |
| 10:58.24 | Jucato | Half-Left: Konversation, along with Amarok, K3b, and Digikam, belong to KDE Extragear. they release separately from KDE itself |
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| 10:58.57 | Jucato | so if by "KDE apps" you mean core apps, no they are not taking their time since they're released with KDE :) |
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| 10:59.34 | krish | hi, My laptop brightness changes to max after I lock/logout / suspend |
| 10:59.39 | Half-Left | oh, ofcourse, they are not KDE apps are they |
| 10:59.55 | krish | or even when kpowersave changes between different schemes |
| 10:59.58 | Half-Left | as in come with default KDE4 |
| 11:00.00 | annma | they are third part apps |
| 11:00.05 | Half-Left | yer |
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| 11:00.28 | krish | On KDE3.5.9 |
| 11:00.37 | Jucato | personally classifies "KDE apps" into 3: "core apps", "extragear", and "3rd party" :) |
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| 11:05.46 | Half-Left | back later |
| 11:06.51 | kakalto | hmm, konqueror really doesn't like handling multiple large images, does it? |
| 11:07.09 | kakalto | say, two 3000x2000 ish images and three 1024x1024? |
| 11:07.15 | kakalto | + a download |
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| 11:09.02 | codename | How do I edit my GRUB list? |
| 11:09.03 | codename | any ideas |
| 11:09.13 | krish | ? |
| 11:09.19 | codename | I basically installed Sabayon and it erased my Ubuntu Option |
| 11:09.46 | krish | check that file. You'd see examples on how to add another OS |
| 11:09.50 | flaccid | codename: try #grub :) |
| 11:09.58 | annma | or #sabayon |
| 11:10.24 | flaccid | google is probably going to be fasted. and its usually /boot/grub/menu.list heh |
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| 11:31.49 | Half-Left | ok, I'm really liking KDE4.1beta |
| 11:37.13 | Phlogi | hmm wasn't there in option to disable all system notification sounds of kde at once? |
| 11:38.12 | annma | system settings -> notifications |
| 11:39.33 | Half-Left | Anyway to make the panel sizes bigger or smaller in hight? |
| 11:39.48 | Phlogi | annma: and then? :p |
| 11:39.56 | Phlogi | just say no sound output? |
| 11:40.05 | Phlogi | I thought you could remove all noticiation settings |
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| 11:40.40 | Half-Left | ooooh, I see :) |
| 11:40.54 | Half-Left | sweet |
| 11:40.58 | Phlogi | hihi |
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| 11:41.04 | Phlogi | no one sees that option... its crazy |
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| 11:41.37 | kdepepo | Phlogi, the option to apply changes to all programs got removed in the KDE 3->4 translation process. |
| 11:41.59 | Phlogi | cries! |
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| 11:43.01 | Phlogi | can you reproduce this bug: Go to systemsettings->notifications->player settings, set to "No audio output", then save and close, go back there again and selected is "Use the KDE..." |
| 11:43.28 | annma | Phlogi: yes |
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| 11:43.42 | annma | system settings kcm are the most buggy apps in kde |
| 11:44.07 | _law_ | hi all! is there already some obex-stuff in kde4? like kdebluetooth? |
| 11:44.29 | Phlogi | annma: will you file a bug? *please |
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| 11:47.10 | annma | no time |
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| 11:49.02 | annma | I'd prefer trying to fix it |
| 11:49.19 | Phlogi | annma: whats the name of that kcm module? |
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| 11:50.42 | annma | not sure |
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| 11:50.49 | annma | kcmshell --list |
| 11:50.56 | annma | gives you the name |
| 11:51.31 | annma | the names of all kcm |
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| 11:52.02 | annma | I am grepping to look at the sources |
| 11:52.42 | Half-Left | annma: KDE 4 was a bit of a rocky start but it's really coming together now, some innovative stuff |
| 11:53.03 | annma | :) |
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| 11:54.58 | Half-Left | Got to love the plasma themes |
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| 12:09.11 | annma | Phlogi: do you have trunk sources? |
| 12:09.18 | Phlogi | of course |
| 12:10.17 | annma | can you check the fix please? |
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| 12:10.56 | annma | in kdebase/runtime/kcontrol/knotify edit the knotify.cpp file |
| 12:11.39 | annma | change line 241 from m_ui->cbArts->setChecked( config.readEntry( "No sound", false ) ); |
| 12:11.52 | annma | to m_ui->cbNone->setChecked( config.readEntry( "No sound", false ) ); |
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| 12:12.17 | annma | rebuild only kdebase/runtime/kcontrol/knotify and rerun systemsettings |
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| 12:17.19 | annma | Phlogi: did you check it? |
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| 12:18.37 | Phlogi | sorry no time, really sorry |
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| 12:18.49 | Half-Left | damnit, raptor menu dont work :/ |
| 12:19.15 | annma | Phlogi: you can't check it? |
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| 12:21.46 | annma | anyway it's fixed, I'll commit |
| 12:22.17 | Phlogi | annma: great thanks |
| 12:22.32 | Phlogi | has to study probability and statistics again |
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| 12:22.49 | Jucato | (ew...) |
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| 12:25.00 | annma | ok, one bug less |
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| 12:26.11 | Phlogi | annma: i could tell you like 20 bugs in kontact :D |
| 12:26.25 | annma | I fixed one in win deco but attached it to be checked by the author |
| 12:26.32 | annma | kontact is not my area |
| 12:26.35 | Jucato | has one in khtml, 1 in plasma, and 1 in his brain |
| 12:26.36 | Phlogi | I know |
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| 12:26.51 | Jucato | er.. I mean 10 in my brain |
| 12:26.59 | annma | I should rewrite that stuff, it's so old |
| 12:27.04 | Jucato | annma: is it known that some plasmoids don't follow Plasmic theming? |
| 12:27.12 | annma | Jucato: which ones? |
| 12:27.26 | annma | I have a list of applets bugs so I'll add it |
| 12:27.38 | Jucato | hm.. wait I lost my list heheh |
| 12:27.44 | Jucato | oh device notifier for one |
| 12:27.44 | annma | ;) |
| 12:27.49 | Jucato | oh wait |
| 12:27.56 | Jucato | that's not it |
| 12:27.58 | annma | how should it follow theme? |
| 12:28.05 | Jucato | bah forget it. I should have made a list |
| 12:28.41 | Jucato | annma: I had a few plasmoids on my desktop one time. then I changed the plasma theme, they didn't follow. I guess I didn't notice that they follow now :) |
| 12:29.01 | Jucato | oooooh! but only for some themes!!! |
| 12:29.10 | Jucato | annma: do you have glassified theme installed? |
| 12:29.42 | annma | yes, love it! |
| 12:30.04 | annma | I use it |
| 12:30.42 | Jucato | notice that the trash applet isn't glassified |
| 12:31.54 | elbeardmorez | hi, is there a graceful way for me to end a kde session from another xserver kde session. i'm trying to make primary kde session control a secondary session on an alternate xserver instance.. ..logging out of kde1 i could just kill the xserver2 instance, but that's quit ugly.. ..is there a function / script called 'kde-close-session' or similar? thanks |
| 12:32.12 | annma | Jucato: it should be like folderview background, right? |
| 12:32.23 | annma | Jucato: however we have 3 backgrounds for applets |
| 12:32.41 | annma | No, Default and Translucent |
| 12:33.06 | annma | so if it is not Translucent I think it's darker |
| 12:33.29 | annma | I can check it with my applet test case |
| 12:34.11 | dbglt | annma: aha! You fixed my bug :) |
| 12:34.12 | Jucato | It uses the default in this case I think |
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| 12:34.28 | annma | dbglt: yes! |
| 12:34.32 | dbglt | thanks :) hehe |
| 12:34.33 | Jucato | annma: so does the device notifier afflet |
| 12:34.36 | Jucato | er.. applet |
| 12:34.43 | annma | Jucato: tell me an applet that honors it |
| 12:34.49 | annma | so I can check my theory |
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| 12:35.11 | annma | trash has setBackgroundHints(NoBackground); |
| 12:35.22 | Jucato | folder view |
| 12:35.28 | Jucato | pager |
| 12:36.01 | annma | same for device notifier |
| 12:36.27 | Jucato | annma: the funny thing is if I switch to Aya theme, both device notifier and trash follow the correct theme |
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| 12:36.32 | Jucato | so I guess it's a per-theme basis? |
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| 12:36.50 | Jucato | Silicon: trash doesn't follow, device notifier does |
| 12:37.18 | annma | pager uses Plasma::PanelSvg |
| 12:37.42 | Jucato | annma: even if the pager is on the desktop? |
| 12:37.45 | annma | Jucato: at the moment it's pretty moving target |
| 12:38.05 | annma | as this background Translucent just got added a few days ago |
| 12:38.11 | Jucato | annma: heh ok. that's why I'm quite reluctant to ask about it :) |
| 12:38.23 | Phlogi | is there a channel for kdepim or kontact? |
| 12:38.25 | annma | well it is interesting nevertheless to keep in mind |
| 12:38.30 | annma | #kontact |
| 12:38.31 | Jucato | it's always moving even during freezes. must be because Plasma is hot! :) |
| 12:38.38 | annma | lol yes |
| 12:38.57 | annma | I'm adding a note on my list about that problem Jucato |
| 12:39.04 | Jucato | thanks :) |
| 12:39.10 | annma | I admit that I don't know how themes should behave |
| 12:39.29 | Jucato | annma: isn't it safe to presume that plasmoids should follow themes? ;) |
| 12:39.37 | Jucato | I mean plasmoids should follow Plasma themes :) |
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| 12:41.18 | jazka | the new krunner looks nice :) |
| 12:41.19 | annma | Jucato: of course yes but it does not mean they will all look the same |
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| 12:41.44 | annma | regarding this setBackgroundHints(); possibility |
| 12:42.01 | Jucato | hm. ok... |
| 12:42.03 | annma | NoBackground, TranslucentBackground, DefaultBackground |
| 12:42.34 | annma | not sure how this all should go together |
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| 12:43.30 | annma | a French guy did a simple plasmoid icon test case and we're working from that to clear stuff |
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| 12:43.47 | Jucato | you french are taking over kde!!! |
| 12:43.51 | annma | so we'll check this as well |
| 12:43.56 | annma | :) yup! |
| 12:44.00 | annma | all my fans join |
| 12:44.06 | annma | ;) |
| 12:44.11 | Jucato | hahha |
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| 12:46.34 | Half-Left | http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kde41betate5.png :) |
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| 12:48.26 | hayig2000 | hi all, if an unwindowed apllication crashed, what can i do? |
| 12:48.34 | hayig2000 | application |
| 12:48.52 | jazka | restart it? |
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| 12:49.20 | hayig2000 | the program doesnot respond |
| 12:49.34 | jazka | press ctrl + esc and look for the program |
| 12:49.36 | jazka | and kill it |
| 12:49.36 | hayig2000 | what i do is terminate the server |
| 12:49.51 | murrant | run xkill then click on it |
| 12:49.53 | hayig2000 | ctrl+esc doesnot work |
| 12:50.17 | hayig2000 | ctrl+alt+esc deosnot work |
| 12:50.27 | jazka | then do what murrant said |
| 12:50.47 | hayig2000 | how to run xkill |
| 12:50.54 | jazka | alt f2? |
| 12:52.41 | hayig2000 | alt f2 doesnot work |
| 12:52.48 | jazka | then open a terminal and run it from there |
| 12:53.19 | hayig2000 | i type xkill? |
| 12:53.23 | jazka | yess |
| 12:53.25 | jazka | -s |
| 12:53.52 | Half-Left | Can anyone help me with the raptor menu, it's not showing proper |
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| 12:54.45 | hayig2000 | ok...thanks jazka |
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| 12:55.41 | halphaz_ | hi all |
| 12:55.58 | hayig2000 | how can i assign a shortcut key to x server? |
| 12:56.16 | jazka | are you even running kde? |
| 12:56.43 | hayig2000 | yes |
| 12:56.44 | halphaz_ | i'm building kde trunk with kdesvn-build script, but kdenetword doesn't compile |
| 12:57.17 | halphaz_ | i'm nopasting cmake and build-1-log |
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| 12:57.53 | halphaz_ | http://rafb.net/p/2fqKUH41.html |
| 12:58.04 | halphaz_ | it's the build.log |
| 12:59.38 | Half-Left | halphaz_: Try installing all your X11 dev packages |
| 12:59.47 | halphaz_ | Half-Left, ok |
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| 13:01.41 | halphaz_ | I'll try... thanks a lot |
| 13:01.43 | halphaz_ | bye bye |
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| 13:13.57 | Yarcanox | do you plan to add "Rename" to the context menu of desktop icons? |
| 13:14.47 | Yarcanox | ah it's in the icon settings... =P just noticed that. hum, ok then |
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| 13:24.27 | EvilGuru | Are there any known performance issues with the KIO SFTP implementation? As it seems to max out around 3MiB/s. NFS and SCP will both get 11MiB/s between the same two systems (same file) |
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| 13:51.24 | _law_ | so there is no bluetooth stuff in kde4 ? |
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| 13:54.03 | murrant | their are no client apps to control it, but it is somewhat supported by solid |
| 13:55.12 | linoob | any kdemod guru here? |
| 13:55.37 | _law_ | murrant: also no obex stuff? |
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| 14:02.41 | sgraham | ok..someone has to know how to deal with this..kdm is busted and its driving me crazy |
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| 14:04.56 | sgraham | im using version 3.5.8 and when i log in, i see the sessions starting progress box but it is huge and mostly off screen. Then it crashes back to the kdm login manager. I have tried creating a new user but..the new user still has the same problem. It would make sence that i have some personal settings somewhere that are setting the resolution waaaay to high.i cant find the file that has these settings in it. |
| 14:05.54 | sgraham | now GDM works fine. Luckily. XDM aparently uses the same messed up file because it does the same damn thing |
| 14:06.23 | thewhitepelican | what distro? |
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| 14:12.10 | sgraham | ubuntu |
| 14:12.16 | sgraham | sorry |
| 14:12.19 | sgraham | kubuntu |
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| 14:13.15 | thewhitepelican | ohhh |
| 14:13.38 | thewhitepelican | you might want ot tey #kubuntu also |
| 14:13.39 | sgraham | its frustrating because i want to get most of this ...gnome stuff off the machine. its confussing having 3 tools to configure one damn thing..im affraid to remove anything from the gnome side though. oddly enough this was ubuntu preinstalled laptop from dell. |
| 14:13.43 | thewhitepelican | to try* |
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| 14:14.00 | sgraham | thanks thewhitepelican i have tried there |
| 14:14.14 | dwins | dell tech support? |
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| 14:14.22 | sgraham | this is the first time i have used any of the buntu's. |
| 14:14.50 | sgraham | usually just use debian...everything in there was soo damn simple..all in a config file. |
| 14:15.07 | thewhitepelican | the buntus are debian based |
| 14:15.19 | thewhitepelican | but the put their own "spin" as it were on it |
| 14:15.27 | sgraham | ya but they complicate things with extra configs...and crap everywhere. |
| 14:16.57 | sgraham | nevermind |
| 14:16.58 | thewhitepelican | personally I use gentoo |
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| 14:18.04 | sgraham | ya built a few of those..took about 3 days for each..this was nice right out of the box video..cameria, wireless, modem. you name it it worked. this is the only thing that is bothering me... |
| 14:18.07 | wirechief_ | anyone having issues with sound and the new kernel 2.6.25 ? |
| 14:19.10 | wirechief_ | any pointers on where to ask ? aside from #alsa |
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| 14:23.39 | linoob | is there any kdemod guru here? i am trying to get kickoff working |
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| 14:24.11 | annma_ | kickoff working? |
| 14:24.17 | annma_ | what doe snot work in it? |
| 14:25.00 | funkyou | linoob: i guess you want to build the package from aur? come over to #shaman-arch, there we are :) |
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| 14:29.44 | friedrich| | I can't get no sound in kde4. I only have "Esound (ESD" available. |
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| 14:31.12 | annma_ | friedrich|: you don't have gstreamer? |
| 14:32.03 | friedrich| | no, I don't have gstreamer |
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| 14:32.05 | friedrich| | do I need that? |
| 14:32.19 | annma_ | I mean xine probably |
| 14:32.27 | annma_ | is confused suddenly |
| 14:32.44 | annma_ | Let's restart: do you have Xine? |
| 14:32.45 | friedrich| | I have no phonon-binary (that is phon<tab> in a shell) nor do I have this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/45/Phononsettings.png |
| 14:32.50 | friedrich| | I have xine installed |
| 14:33.05 | annma_ | where is your KDE4 from? |
| 14:33.10 | friedrich| | arch |
| 14:33.20 | friedrich| | it is kde4.1 beta1 |
| 14:33.25 | thewhitepelican | hi annma_ |
| 14:33.29 | thewhitepelican | long time no chat |
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| 14:34.31 | annma_ | so you did not build any phonon? |
| 14:34.52 | Jucato | doesn't think there's a phonon binary at all |
| 14:35.30 | friedrich| | I'm not sure I can't find anything about phonon by searching the packages |
| 14:35.39 | annma_ | so ask your distro about it please |
| 14:35.49 | annma_ | KDE 4 uses phonon as sound server |
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| 14:36.28 | friedrich| | but.. shouldn't that be included by Qt? :) |
| 14:37.37 | annma_ | friedrich|: build with |
| 14:37.47 | annma_ | depends how your distro builds it |
| 14:37.54 | annma_ | but we use another phonon than Qt |
| 14:37.58 | friedrich| | .kde4/share/config/phonondevicesrc <- I got this and .config/kde.org/libphonon.conf |
| 14:38.09 | friedrich| | but searching for *phon* |
| 14:38.17 | friedrich| | but well, let's see if he finds more |
| 14:38.30 | friedrich| | *by |
| 14:38.35 | annma_ | ask your distro if you want to fix it quickly |
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| 14:39.54 | friedrich| | mhm |
| 14:39.56 | friedrich| | ./opt/kde4/lib/libphonon.so.4 |
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| 14:40.08 | friedrich| | so, it is there |
| 14:41.28 | friedrich| | any idea how I can get it running? |
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| 14:45.46 | annma_ | you can't get it "runing" |
| 14:45.52 | annma_ | it's a lib |
| 14:46.01 | annma_ | just ask your distro why it's messed up |
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| 14:46.55 | friedrich| | mh :/ |
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| 14:51.15 | friedrich| | are there any logs where I could see which services started and which failed and why? |
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| 14:56.43 | thiago | friedrich|: KDE services? |
| 14:57.16 | friedrich| | well, stuff that gets loaded at start time |
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| 15:02.10 | friedrich| | oh, ok |
| 15:02.17 | friedrich| | appearently I need to have esd running |
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| 15:15.12 | chuckh1958 | using kde3 is there any way to share my desktop via krdb so that someone can connect with a web browser? Something similar to ultravnc server which has a java client built in. |
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| 15:17.09 | dwins | chuckh1958: in the past I've used kicker's webserver applet to serve a java applet vnc client to connect to a session shared via krdb |
| 15:17.19 | dwins | it was the one from tightvnc iirc |
| 15:17.41 | chuckh1958 | not familiar with kicker. whats that? |
| 15:17.58 | dwins | kicker == kde3 panel |
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| 15:20.56 | chuckh1958 | dwins: when I check the list of applets for kicket I dont see a web server applet. |
| 15:21.25 | dwins | it's around someplace, maybe kdeaddons? |
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| 15:21.39 | dwins | doesn't have kicker around to check |
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| 15:25.18 | tech9iner | gets tard efax free advert email for microsux office live .. hee lair eee us indeedy.. for chitzNgiggles he decides to follow links via email.. bout 4.3 clicks in.. proverbial brick wall ROFLMFAO.. http://home.officelive.com/Misc/CompatibleShell.aspx?linkId=UnsupportedBrowser.. tard m$'s version of 'Talk to the Hand!' lmao |
| 15:25.48 | dwins | chuckh1958: anyway, the actual webserver doesn't matter so much |
| 15:26.40 | pinotree | tech9iner: ???? |
| 15:27.05 | tech9iner | pinotree: mea culpa .. wrrrrrong channel mate.. soddy.. |
| 15:27.41 | tech9iner | bows out ungracefully.. |
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| 15:34.22 | chuckh1958 | dwins: could it be done with the " |
| 15:34.29 | chuckh1958 | public file sharing" applet? |
| 15:34.37 | dwins | i think that's the http one, actually |
| 15:34.48 | dwins | => yes |
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| 15:35.11 | chuckh1958 | How do I get it to share the java app? I'm not a web admin. |
| 15:35.50 | chuckh1958 | Do I just symlink a .jar file it in the directory I'm sharing? |
| 15:36.24 | dwins | you'll need the jar and an html document that includes it |
| 15:36.48 | dwins | both should be present in the vnc server that you're pulling them from |
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| 15:36.55 | chuckh1958 | let me grab a copy of tightvnc and see if included. |
| 15:37.23 | chuckh1958 | in the past I've only shared the dt with other kde users so it wasn't an issue. I just hate having something I can do in windows though and not in kde. |
| 15:37.51 | sahaqiel_ | Could someone tell me what module allows me to see .svg in konqueror4? |
| 15:38.42 | pinotree | the svgpart, kdegraphics |
| 15:39.10 | chuckh1958 | dwins: you also mentioned a step of "sharing a session" with krdb too. Are there two steps in involved. First share the desktop (I guess that means allowing uninvited viewing) and then publishing the java app? |
| 15:39.40 | dwins | yep |
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| 15:39.54 | dwins | although you only have to publish the java app once, assuming you leave the webserver set to autostart when you log in |
| 15:40.21 | dwins | backtreads a bit, I think the vnc server may choose a new port each time, in which case you'd have to adjust the html appropriately |
| 15:41.59 | sahaqiel_ | pinotree, that's it exactly. I wonder why cmakekde in kdegraphics never installed that before. Maybe it failed in another project before getting to that one. |
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| 15:46.42 | Maik | Hi! Yesterday I started my first KDE4 session (trunk). Very very nice! But the taskbar font was black in almost black. How can I change these to white? |
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| 15:48.32 | Maik | a config file entry for this would be enough ATM :) |
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| 15:51.16 | root____ | hello there, today I compiled kde from the svn, and everything compiled fine |
| 15:51.19 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, actually i also have that problem. If you try to logout will also see black fonts. |
| 15:51.26 | root____ | but when it comes to using kdm it simply just crashes |
| 15:51.35 | root____ | and exits without any errors |
| 15:51.36 | Maik | sandsmark: exactly |
| 15:51.51 | Maik | ups |
| 15:51.54 | sandsmark | Maik: exactly who? =) |
| 15:52.01 | Maik | sahaqiel_: exactly |
| 15:52.02 | sahaqiel_ | sandsmark, it was to me ;) |
| 15:52.06 | sandsmark | ^_^ |
| 15:52.13 | Maik | sorry |
| 15:52.13 | root____ | is this a known problem, configuration on my end |
| 15:52.21 | Dumble | is there a Qt/KDE friendly library I can use to make a softphone ? |
| 15:52.21 | Maik | bad bad kopete! |
| 15:52.24 | root____ | and if so, is there any way to find the error? |
| 15:52.33 | Dumble | (using SIP protocol) |
| 15:52.45 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, i'll try to backup my home folder and try again with a new one. it worked in the past |
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| 15:53.54 | Maik | so far I didn't anything fancy with kde4. So just killing .kde4 (this is what KDEHOME points to) should do the trick, right? |
| 15:54.08 | annma | root____: how did you compile kde? distro compile? |
| 15:54.39 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, yes but there still is a bug somewhere. make a backup first so someone can maybe later understand where it comes from |
| 15:54.49 | Maik | good call! |
| 15:55.47 | root____ | annma: I've used some ebuilds from a portage overlay |
| 15:56.04 | annma | #gentoo-kde then |
| 15:56.29 | root____ | annma: thankyou, it's hard getting around in console :P |
| 15:56.31 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, fixed on my end. The problem is somewhere on plasma for sure. |
| 15:58.22 | Maik | sahaqiel_: Done. At the moment I update and recompile my kde4 sourcetree. I'll try it later. Thx for the tip. I'll try to figure out where plasma stores in .kde later as well. |
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| 15:59.26 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, thanks. Maybe there is already a bug report since it happened to both of us. If you find anything share your findings in bugs.kde.org |
| 16:01.39 | Maik | I'll do! |
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| 16:11.47 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, I think I found where the black fonts come from. But the real problem is finding what causes it |
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| 16:12.54 | sahaqiel_ | could you check your ~/.kde(4)/share/config/plasmarc file and see if under [ViewIds] there is a value with 1=-1237785832 ? |
| 16:13.03 | Maik | on my way |
| 16:13.40 | Maik | [ViewIds] |
| 16:13.40 | Maik | 1=14302368 |
| 16:13.40 | Maik | 3=2 |
| 16:13.46 | Maik | maybe? |
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| 16:14.02 | sahaqiel_ | interesting |
| 16:14.11 | Maik | seems random numbers |
| 16:14.15 | sahaqiel_ | mine was 1=-1237785832 |
| 16:14.16 | sahaqiel_ | 2=2 |
| 16:14.16 | sahaqiel_ | 3=1 |
| 16:15.18 | sahaqiel_ | i made a backup with the previous value and it was alright before i replaced it |
| 16:15.22 | Maik | sahaqiel_: What is the CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE you used? |
| 16:15.58 | sahaqiel_ | you mean -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE ? |
| 16:16.09 | sahaqiel_ | -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=debugfull |
| 16:16.18 | Maik | ok |
| 16:16.51 | Maik | anyway, this looks like an variable or array of ints wasn't initialized proper |
| 16:17.00 | Maik | but its only a guess |
| 16:17.19 | sahaqiel_ | that's what it seems, could be an application changing it somewhere |
| 16:17.53 | Maik | I don't know the code |
| 16:18.05 | sahaqiel_ | this only happens to me sometimes after recompiling, but with a previously created .kde |
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| 16:18.35 | Maik | So it might be the reading of this config file which is broken |
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| 16:20.01 | sahaqiel_ | it works fine after erasing that file. if you want a code sample working, here : [ViewIds] |
| 16:20.01 | sahaqiel_ | 1=2 |
| 16:20.01 | sahaqiel_ | 2=3 |
| 16:20.01 | sahaqiel_ | 3=1 |
| 16:20.56 | Maik | sahaqiel_: Do you file a bug report? |
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| 16:21.45 | Maik | I'll add an "same here" note |
| 16:21.49 | sahaqiel_ | i can't open a bug and say, "oh sometimes plasma has black fonts when i never asked it to, here's a tip : " It would be best to really understand what is going on first |
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| 16:22.29 | Maik | usually this is wrong, but its part of the nature of this bug |
| 16:22.31 | sahaqiel_ | because the bug isn't the fact that is with a stupid value after 1 |
| 16:22.52 | sahaqiel_ | it's the fact that it got changed somewhere |
| 16:23.24 | Maik | right |
| 16:24.08 | Maik | This kind of bugs are very nasty, because its hard to reproduce |
| 16:24.25 | sahaqiel_ | i'm also not saying find the code that does it, i just say, find the right steps to reproduce |
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| 16:25.08 | sahaqiel_ | i'll try recompiling kdebase, to see what happens |
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| 16:26.34 | Qt | It seems that Google desktop doesn't work well with KDE 4, icon in system tray was just split |
| 16:27.12 | sahaqiel_ | Qt, like the icon just shows the upper left corner? |
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| 16:28.43 | Qt | sahaqiel_:yes, and it doesn't respond a double-click |
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| 16:30.07 | sahaqiel_ | Qt, i don't know about the double-click, but that happens with a lot of gtk applications. try pidgin, xchat, <insert another gtk app here with tray icon>, maybe deluge does the same and you will see the same issue |
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| 16:31.45 | sahaqiel_ | Qt, this is the bug report, if you want to add anything, feel free to do so :P http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155381 |
| 16:32.02 | Qt | sahaqiel_:hmm... it worked well with gnome? |
| 16:32.31 | Qt | sahaqiel_:thanks, I'll try more! |
| 16:32.40 | sahaqiel_ | and with kde 3.5.9 ( not talking about google desktop ) |
| 16:33.09 | Maik | sandsmark: thx, it builds fine so far |
| 16:33.16 | sandsmark | Maik: ok |
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| 16:33.19 | sahaqiel_ | lolol |
| 16:33.27 | sandsmark | Maik: I put a patched libassyan in the kdemod-unstable repo, btw |
| 16:33.38 | Maik | I don't use kdemod |
| 16:33.57 | sahaqiel_ | thought Maik was mistaken again |
| 16:34.05 | Maik | How is it superior to the casual arch kde? |
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| 16:34.14 | sandsmark | Maik: it's split? |
| 16:34.25 | Maik | This is what I like with arch |
| 16:34.30 | Maik | they don't split :) |
| 16:34.33 | sandsmark | =P |
| 16:34.48 | sandsmark | well, what I like with arch, is the ease of building your own packages =) |
| 16:35.08 | sahaqiel_ | agreed |
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| 16:35.18 | sahaqiel_ | that and little patching |
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| 16:37.42 | Maik | splitting makes it harder to build stuff, IMHO |
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| 16:38.45 | Maik | But I never considered kdemod. Maybe I should read something more about it to understand why they splitted the kde upstream packages. |
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| 16:40.16 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, you mean there are packages like kdemod-konqueror and kdemod-kmail ? |
| 16:40.44 | funkyou | Maik: we splitted it because most people (including us) dont need every KDE app installed... And our splitting technique is actually very KISS and easy(!) to understand |
| 16:40.53 | jstrunk | How can I disable keyboard grabbing in KDM? I need to let new users use an account sign up program. |
| 16:40.59 | Maik | sahaqiel_: I don't know, kdemod isn't on my mirror list |
| 16:41.59 | sahaqiel_ | maik, it isn't very difficult, because you can do it once every kde release. now if the packages were always being released, it would be a pain I think |
| 16:42.04 | funkyou | sahaqiel: no, its always something like kdepim-$app or kdetoys-$app... naming it like kdemod-kmail would be a lot less clear to the users (e.g. in what module is that app normally etc) |
| 16:42.20 | Maik | funkyou: This modularity takes an extra effort. But if you people are willing to take it.. |
| 16:43.15 | funkyou | Maik: adapting our build stuff to a new KDE release (with new stuff) takes mostly only some minutes for me, it is really KISS :) |
| 16:43.36 | Maik | Ok |
| 16:44.11 | Maik | I'm happy as it is =) |
| 16:44.52 | Maik | If I want to run arch on a maschine with limited resources kdemod might be an alternative for me |
| 16:45.24 | Maik | But my 500GB and 4GB Ram can take upstream kde :D |
| 16:45.31 | Maik | 500GB HDD |
| 16:45.36 | funkyou | well, thats the purpose of alternatives, to make everyone happy :) |
| 16:45.48 | Maik | agreed |
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| 17:09.08 | Maik | sahaqiel_: ok, it works. I copied the fresh .kde4 and will put an eye at changes. |
| 17:10.06 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, thanks. I also already recompiled and checked if something changed, but nothing seems different. Did you by any chance also installed amarok2 ? |
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| 17:10.28 | sahaqiel_ | *install |
| 17:10.43 | Maik | I compiled and installed amarok2 too, but didn'r run it yet |
| 17:10.52 | Maik | should I? |
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| 17:11.16 | mguezuraga | does kmai |
| 17:11.20 | mguezuraga | ups |
| 17:11.33 | mguezuraga | does kmail 1.9.9 support html signatures? |
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| 17:12.36 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, I am sure if the problem is with amarok, but my previous plasmarc file had a [Amarok-theme] or something |
| 17:12.41 | sahaqiel_ | *not sure |
| 17:13.12 | sahaqiel_ | for example : [Theme] |
| 17:13.13 | sahaqiel_ | name=Amarok-Mockup |
| 17:13.24 | Maik | hm, I just started, plasmarc didn't change. |
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| 17:13.37 | sahaqiel_ | i'm not sure where that came from, because i don't remember ever changing it to amarok-mockup |
| 17:13.50 | Maik | ok, I shut it down and it wrote to plasmarc |
| 17:13.57 | sahaqiel_ | cool, what do you see |
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| 17:14.21 | Maik | it added two lines and a newline |
| 17:14.41 | sahaqiel_ | why would it change plasmarc? |
| 17:14.42 | Maik | but ViewIds were not touched |
| 17:14.54 | Maik | I don't know |
| 17:15.06 | Maik | [Theme] |
| 17:15.06 | Maik | name=Amarok-Mockup |
| 17:15.15 | Maik | this is what had been added |
| 17:15.52 | sahaqiel_ | maybe there's a way to always monitor that file, maybe with a script |
| 17:16.32 | Maik | I not mastered bash to this extend so far :( |
| 17:17.08 | sahaqiel_ | you don't need to master bash, any shell scripting language will do, i think |
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| 17:17.31 | sahaqiel_ | but yeah i am not master at that either. all i know how to do is command ; command ; lol |
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| 17:18.02 | lindemberg | oi |
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| 17:18.43 | Maik | hm, never did something like this |
| 17:18.51 | P4C0 | hello guys, one question, in kde 3.x in Input Actions for control pannel, DCOP Call Settings, is it possible to set the argument to a command or output of another DCOP call? |
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| 17:19.59 | P4C0 | like to set: Remote acpplication: kmix, Remote object: Mixer0, Called function: increaseVolume, Arguments: masterDeviceIndex() ? |
| 17:21.19 | Maik | I'll see what google has to say |
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| 17:22.20 | Notch-1 | hi |
| 17:22.33 | Notch-1 | i'm trying to do this: dcop knotify default notify test konqueror "<a href="http://www.google.com">google</a>" '' '' 16 0 |
| 17:22.33 | Notch-1 | but the link appear disabled... |
| 17:22.40 | Maik | sahaqiel_: type"man watch" please |
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| 17:24.19 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, seems close to what we want, let me read it all to see if it can apply to plasma rc |
| 17:24.39 | Maik | alright |
| 17:24.56 | sahaqiel_ | i'll go try it |
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| 17:25.11 | kaktuspalme | how to search with strigi? |
| 17:25.53 | sahaqiel_ | with that command we could do watch "diff plasmarc plasmarc.bak" and when something changed yay, we take a look |
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| 17:27.32 | pinotree | kaktuspalme: #strigi |
| 17:27.34 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, it works :) . use a shell with that command running |
| 17:28.23 | sahaqiel_ | if you want it to output to a text file, just do --> watch "diff plasmarc plasmarc.bak" > ~/plasmarcdiff |
| 17:28.30 | Maik | sahaqiel_: This seems to be nice as well: http://search.cpan.org/~mlehmann/Linux-Inotify2-1.1/Inotify2.pm |
| 17:28.50 | Maik | ah, cool |
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| 17:30.03 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, that seems overkill |
| 17:30.19 | sahaqiel_ | we only need to watch 1 file I hope |
| 17:30.40 | Maik | right, your solution is fine |
| 17:30.42 | Maik | thx |
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| 17:33.55 | Maik | sahaqiel_: are you sure we don't want: watch "diff plasmarc plasmarc.bak > ~/plasmarcdiff" ? |
| 17:34.20 | sahaqiel_ | no |
| 17:34.26 | sahaqiel_ | didn't try that command with the output yet |
| 17:34.31 | sahaqiel_ | let me see |
| 17:34.54 | sahaqiel_ | but i think you're right |
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| 17:35.17 | Maik | ok |
| 17:35.48 | zhobbs_ | anyone know if it's possible to have the application listing come up when you right click on the desktop? |
| 17:35.52 | zhobbs_ | (in kde4) |
| 17:35.53 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, that's your way that is correct |
| 17:36.14 | sahaqiel_ | mine doesn't show the visual effects happening, but they both do the writing i think |
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| 17:36.52 | Maik | I try to play around and see what happens |
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| 17:37.48 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, there just seems to be a problem. every time there is a change in the files, the changes are overwritten, so we are not keeping a log |
| 17:38.09 | Maik | arg, right |
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| 17:38.29 | Maik | so just append? |
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| 17:38.54 | sahaqiel_ | if you know a command to append, yeah |
| 17:38.55 | halphaz | hi all |
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| 17:39.18 | Maik | >> ~/plasmarcdiff |
| 17:39.22 | halphaz | extragears/libs isn't reachble, isn't it? |
| 17:39.27 | sahaqiel_ | so that's what that does |
| 17:39.29 | halphaz | extragears/libs isn't reachble, is it? |
| 17:39.31 | melkart | is there a way to read out the cpu's temperature within kde, without having to reboot and going into bios setup? |
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| 17:39.49 | sahaqiel_ | melkart, lm-sensors |
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| 17:41.07 | melkart | sahaqiel_: tx a lot... i think, i found it... |
| 17:41.14 | sahaqiel_ | melkart, in my case I am using Ksensors, but they depend on lm-sensors. google it for more information |
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| 17:42.03 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, if were are going to append all the time, we need to change watch to update less often, maybe 10 in 10 minutes |
| 17:43.12 | sahaqiel_ | new command " watch -n 600 "diff plasmarc plasmarc.bak >> ~/plasmarc" " , run from ~/kde(4)/share/config/ |
| 17:43.24 | Maik | sahaqiel_: this doen't seem to work out. If we append we have to replace plasmarc_bak with the last plasmarc everytime found something different |
| 17:43.43 | Maik | I look what the www has more to offer |
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| 17:44.15 | kendrick | hey there |
| 17:45.13 | kendrick | so i just bought a Dell laptop that came with Ubuntu, and put Kubuntu on it (yay!) |
| 17:45.31 | kendrick | one thing i'm unclear how to control in KDE, which i could under Gnome, was the 'tap to click' "feature" of the trackpad |
| 17:45.44 | kendrick | i don't see anything about it under Keyboard & Mouse settings. |
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| 17:46.08 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, this is really simple shell script stuff. what you want is watch " If diff output is nill ... then $output >> ~/plasmarc else 0 (?) " |
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| 17:47.05 | kendrick | oh, btw, this is KDE 3.5 |
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| 17:50.45 | kendrick | wow, noone knows? :( |
| 17:51.01 | kendrick | i'd like to avoid editing X config if i can just do it in some KDE config tool :D |
| 17:51.21 | dwins | kendrick: look for ksynaptics |
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| 17:53.04 | kendrick | hey, that sounds familiar; thanks |
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| 17:54.43 | hyper__ch | hiho, does the sysinfo script work for somebody? |
| 17:54.57 | hyper__ch | I mean it doesn't display my hdd usage/total size |
| 17:54.59 | chuckh1958 | ping dwins |
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| 17:56.05 | kendrick | adds universe&multiverse |
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| 17:58.12 | dwins | is around |
| 17:58.21 | Maik | sahaqiel_: I think I've got it |
| 17:58.28 | Maik | I'll pinpaste it |
| 17:58.30 | chuckh1958 | I'm trying to share my kde3 desktop with someone who doesnt have vncclient. Normally you can connect to the server on port 5800 with a browser and get a java client. kded I see i listening on 5800 and 5900 (with netstat -l and fuser 5800/tcp). It doesnt server up a java client though. Why is that if it's listening on 5800? |
| 17:59.24 | chuckh1958 | if I disable "uninvited connections" it stops listening on the ports. |
| 17:59.51 | Maik | sahaqiel_: http://pastebin.com/m70118da8 |
| 18:00.59 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, if there is no problem with the syntax, that's what we want |
| 18:01.06 | Maik | I called it ifdiff_plasmarc and run it via watch ./ifdiff_plasmarc |
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| 18:01.18 | sahaqiel_ | yeah that's what i thought |
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| 18:01.46 | sahaqiel_ | thanks, Maik |
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| 18:02.03 | kendrick | dwins: i do not see such a package or app :( |
| 18:02.06 | Maik | My bash knowlege is what it takes to write PKGBUILD files, I'm a noob on bash :) |
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| 18:02.14 | kendrick | tried an 'aptitude search ksyn' |
| 18:02.41 | dwins | kendrick: i don't know anything about *buntu, ask in #kubuntu |
| 18:02.59 | sahaqiel_ | what that does the -n do ? i've seen that in arch scripts in /etc/rc.d/ but never searched for it, lazy me |
| 18:03.28 | Maik | -n tests if the string on it's right side isn't of zero length |
| 18:03.32 | kendrick | dwins: ok thx |
| 18:03.58 | Maik | C++: !string.empty() |
| 18:04.17 | chuckh1958 | dwins: its me again - the vncserver gut from this AM. Why would kded be listening on 5800 if it doesn't support java clients? |
| 18:04.49 | dwins | doesn't know much about VNC, maybe that port is actually used for it though |
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| 18:05.42 | chuckh1958 | dwins: VNC listens for http connections on 5800 and vnc connections on 5900. If I disable "uninvited connections" in kcontrol, it stops listening on those ports. |
| 18:05.54 | Maik | sahaqiel_: I just altered plasmarc a few times, it seems to work |
| 18:06.15 | dwins | chuckh1958: you're beyond what I can help with at this point |
| 18:06.26 | chuckh1958 | I'm trying to figure out why it would listen on 5800 unless it does support http/java clients but I haven't figured out how to set it up yet. |
| 18:06.30 | chuckh1958 | Thanks dwins. |
| 18:07.47 | chuckh1958 | I'm wondering where I can go to ask about kded. |
| 18:08.09 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, confirmed. it works :) |
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| 18:19.58 | Maik | sahaqiel_: The taskbar font changed to black again and plasmarc didn't changed |
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| 18:20.13 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, really? |
| 18:20.29 | sahaqiel_ | then it will change once you logout almost for sure |
| 18:20.36 | sahaqiel_ | but what were you doing? |
| 18:20.38 | Maik | I delete the stuff amarok filled in and see what happens |
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| 18:22.32 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, same here! |
| 18:22.35 | sahaqiel_ | it's amarok2 |
| 18:22.38 | Maik | sahaqiel_: it works |
| 18:22.40 | Maik | yes |
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| 18:22.53 | Maik | Do you file a bug report now? |
| 18:22.54 | Maik | :D |
| 18:23.06 | sahaqiel_ | yes i will |
| 18:23.21 | sahaqiel_ | senses the smell of victory |
| 18:23.30 | Maik | yeah! |
| 18:23.49 | sahaqiel_ | but the file it's the same with me |
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| 18:24.23 | sahaqiel_ | so to reproduce 1) open amarok2 2)logout 3)log back in ? |
| 18:24.23 | Maik | ?? don't understand |
| 18:24.28 | Maik | ah |
| 18:24.38 | Maik | I try it |
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| 18:25.02 | Maik | ok |
| 18:25.22 | Maik | login && start amarok && quit it |
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| 18:25.38 | Maik | && go to logout |
| 18:25.41 | sahaqiel_ | yes, good luck ;) |
| 18:25.53 | Maik | the result is already there |
| 18:25.57 | Maik | I just done it |
| 18:26.08 | Maik | the logoff fonts are black |
| 18:26.19 | sahaqiel_ | i'm gonna try again just for the lulz |
| 18:26.39 | Maik | and... |
| 18:26.44 | Maik | the 1=???? is there |
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| 18:26.55 | sahaqiel_ | not it wasn't, but the fonts were black anyway |
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| 18:27.35 | Half-Left | is the system tray icons not looking good a bug with KDE4.1beta? |
| 18:28.01 | Maik | http://pastebin.com/m4c02059d |
| 18:28.31 | Maik | the last time the 1=1 wasn't changed |
| 18:28.47 | Maik | anyway, its reproducable |
| 18:29.10 | sahaqiel_ | true |
| 18:29.15 | sahaqiel_ | so, amarok bug? |
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| 18:29.32 | Half-Left | :) |
| 18:29.36 | Maik | I think yes |
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| 18:31.02 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, I reproduced it differently, because I didn't run amarok 2 in kde4 desktop |
| 18:31.14 | sahaqiel_ | i ran as a different user while running kde3 |
| 18:31.22 | Maik | ah, ok |
| 18:31.25 | sahaqiel_ | only then I started a new session to see what happened |
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| 18:31.43 | sahaqiel_ | so, 2 ways to reproduce, and amarok is to blame. i'll check doing what i told you |
| 18:32.14 | Maik | unbelivable you got the connection to amarok |
| 18:32.24 | Maik | awesome |
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| 18:33.45 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, even more unbelievable. When I started amarok2 now, and i did logout, the fonts were already black! |
| 18:33.59 | sahaqiel_ | there is no need to make login again -_- |
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| 18:34.25 | Maik | yes, didn't I mentioned this? |
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| 18:34.43 | sahaqiel_ | oh yeah, you're right |
| 18:34.45 | sahaqiel_ | sorry :P |
| 18:34.49 | Maik | np |
| 18:34.59 | sahaqiel_ | let me check the plasmarc |
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| 18:35.15 | sahaqiel_ | 1=1 3=2 |
| 18:35.51 | sahaqiel_ | oh well, they will change eventually |
| 18:36.00 | sahaqiel_ | but something is wrong somewhere |
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| 18:36.31 | Maik | it may be that the plasmarc is not the change which triggers the font problem |
| 18:36.49 | Maik | maybe its another one change at the same time |
| 18:36.54 | sahaqiel_ | yes, but some other app will react to the fonts |
| 18:37.28 | sahaqiel_ | but the connection to amarok2 was a little obvious when i saw that plasmarc was written my amarok :S |
| 18:37.30 | Half-Left | plasma tray applet is buggy in 4.1beta, is that a known bug? |
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| 18:38.02 | Maik | Half-Left: I'm running trunk here |
| 18:38.04 | sahaqiel_ | Half-Left, you mean buggy as in bigger tray icons that don't fit? as icons that overlap? |
| 18:38.13 | sahaqiel_ | yes, it's buggy alright |
| 18:38.14 | Maik | maybe it wasn't fixed yet and is the same bug |
| 18:38.21 | Half-Left | sahaqiel_, Exactly |
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| 18:38.56 | sahaqiel_ | going to write the report |
| 18:39.07 | Maik | sahaqiel_: thx |
| 18:39.35 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, when was the last time you compiled amarok2 ? just today? |
| 18:39.36 | Half-Left | I'll stick with the betas for now :p |
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| 18:39.51 | Maik | maybe an hour ago |
| 18:40.03 | Half-Left | I compiled Amarok2 today, pretty good going |
| 18:40.13 | sahaqiel_ | Half-Left, you can avoid most problems with the tray if you don't use gtk apps, like deluge, xchat,pidgin |
| 18:40.19 | Half-Left | from trunk |
| 18:40.35 | sahaqiel_ | well, don't run it and logout or your fonts will be messed up |
| 18:40.46 | Half-Left | sahaqiel_, I does it with Kopete |
| 18:40.52 | sahaqiel_ | oh |
| 18:41.03 | sahaqiel_ | well that sucks, with me that didn't happen |
| 18:41.09 | Half-Left | theres like something behind the tray icon |
| 18:41.14 | jayjay | Kopete question please: How can I disable the baloon popup on incoming messages? I unchecked the 'show bubble' option but the popup still shows in every incoming message |
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| 18:41.42 | sahaqiel_ | jayjay, it happens also with me. could you file a bug report? if it's not already there of course |
| 18:42.02 | sahaqiel_ | wow, this channel is full of bugs that also happen with me :O |
| 18:42.09 | jayjay | sahaqiel_: ty |
| 18:42.17 | Half-Left | Can't actually remove the tray applet |
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| 18:42.52 | jayjay | sahaqiel_: i'm using it for google talk chat.. Fedora 9 patch came out today |
| 18:43.27 | sahaqiel_ | jayjay, i used with msn, same story. all notifications removed but they still were there. |
| 18:43.39 | Half-Left | can you actually move icons around int he panel? |
| 18:43.59 | sahaqiel_ | Half-Left, not that i know of, very annoying |
| 18:44.07 | Half-Left | yer |
| 18:44.16 | sahaqiel_ | my suggestion, don't keep them in the panel |
| 18:44.16 | Half-Left | have to re drop them in |
| 18:44.35 | sahaqiel_ | or mini panels lol |
| 18:44.39 | Half-Left | Nah, I like them in the panel like a dock :) |
| 18:44.49 | sahaqiel_ | each mini-panel with 1 widget |
| 18:45.06 | sahaqiel_ | then you can move the mini-panels around |
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| 18:45.49 | sahaqiel_ | why didn't I have ever think of that, brilliant _and_ a pain |
| 18:46.19 | Half-Left | Pity kickoff didn't theme like Plasma |
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| 18:47.44 | cromo | any kde4 dev knows anything about bluetooth support in solid? Is there some progress for 4.1? I'd nice if anynone wrote something in his blog or sth. |
| 18:48.12 | cromo | *someone wrote |
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| 18:49.33 | Maik | Odd, if I enter a directory via the desktop folder view and want to start and executable it asks me which program I want to use to run it |
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| 18:50.07 | Maik | If I just hit Home at places and enter the Desktop again it works as expected |
| 18:50.13 | Maik | odd |
| 18:50.37 | Half-Left | sahaqiel_, I have mint updater that runs on kde4 start, it's gtk so maybe that is the issue? |
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| 18:52.20 | J-23 | Why KDE's SVN repo doesn't work? |
| 18:52.26 | sahaqiel_ | Half-Left, could be. in a bug report, some people mentioned that stopping pidgin made the tray ok, even though emesene ( another gtk app) was running |
| 18:53.29 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, i'll take a look after the bug report, almost done |
| 18:53.42 | Maik | nice |
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| 18:55.08 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, add your " Yes, very annoying, i confirm it too" input :) http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163158 |
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| 18:55.55 | Maik | will do |
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| 18:56.28 | Maik | you hit the nail, btw |
| 18:56.32 | Maik | don't mix... |
| 18:56.34 | Maik | very cool |
| 18:56.35 | Maik | :D |
| 18:56.41 | sahaqiel_ | thx ;) |
| 18:56.56 | sahaqiel_ | crap, "plasma team" lol |
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| 18:57.04 | sahaqiel_ | that didn't go so well |
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| 18:58.17 | Half-Left | hmm well Kopete is more msn compatible atleast :p |
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| 18:59.30 | sahaqiel_ | Half-Left, more msn compatible than pidgin isn't much to be proud of. when it can reach emesene ( talking features, not stability ) and amsn , i will use it more :) |
| 18:59.50 | Half-Left | true |
| 19:00.17 | Half-Left | I use emesene in GNOME |
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| 19:00.47 | Half-Left | why can't you just take the code for msn14 support? |
| 19:03.05 | Maik | sahaqiel_: Done. |
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| 19:04.44 | sahaqiel_ | Half-Left, different libraries. kopete uses a different one, if someone improves kopete's , it would be god |
| 19:04.46 | sahaqiel_ | *good |
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| 19:07.03 | sahaqiel_ | Maik, I tried entering a folder that is in the desktop folder view, and it just opened dolphin |
| 19:07.27 | sahaqiel_ | which i think it's the right thing to do, it's not supposed to change the folder it's showing |
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| 19:08.29 | hyper__ch | where can one submit a bug report for kde / konversation? |
| 19:09.00 | sahaqiel_ | hyper__ch, http://bugs.kde.org/query.cgi |
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| 19:12.33 | m300107 | hello, am trying out kde4 but there are different apps. Is there a porting tool to transfer my settings (konqueror browser bookmarks, kate sessions, knewsticker feeds etc?) |
| 19:12.43 | hyper__ch | sahaqiel_: are you registered there? |
| 19:12.58 | sahaqiel_ | hyper__ch, yes, you have to register |
| 19:13.08 | hyper__ch | sahaqiel_: that takes 30min to register :( |
| 19:13.17 | hyper__ch | sahaqiel_: I'd just like to report something upstream |
| 19:13.25 | sahaqiel_ | 30 mins? i don't remember even taking 10 |
| 19:13.31 | hyper__ch | sahaqiel_: greylisting |
| 19:14.27 | sahaqiel_ | hyper__ch, you mean it was already reported in a distro? |
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| 19:14.49 | hyper__ch | sahaqiel_: yes, just on launchpad - including fix |
| 19:15.14 | MaikB | uh, urxvt and the kde4-KWin composite effects don't like each other |
| 19:15.25 | Sho_ | hyper__ch: link? |
| 19:15.30 | MaikB | X was frozen |
| 19:15.53 | hyper__ch | Sho_: nothing serious, just some annoyance :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/108497 |
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| 19:16.19 | Sho_ | hyper__ch: ok then ... gone for the evening now, bye |
| 19:16.31 | hyper__ch | Sho_: no worries :) |
| 19:17.13 | hyper__ch | I'm just not a "register everywhere" guy :) |
| 19:18.08 | sahaqiel_ | hyper__ch, there is a bugmenot account. I wouldn't recommend using it, but in this case it might make sense |
| 19:18.25 | sahaqiel_ | you log in with it, and then you add cc : your email |
| 19:18.25 | hyper__ch | whatever that is :) |
| 19:18.31 | hyper__ch | ok |
| 19:18.49 | hyper__ch | how? |
| 19:18.53 | sahaqiel_ | bugmenot.com |
| 19:19.08 | sahaqiel_ | then the url should be bugs.kde.org |
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| 19:19.36 | pinotree | nice way of forgetting about bugs |
| 19:19.57 | pinotree | please, do NOT do that, if you really keep to kde |
| 19:20.24 | sahaqiel_ | pinotree, if he adds his email to the cc, is it still a problem? |
| 19:20.48 | pinotree | then what's the problem in directly using the email for opening the bug? |
| 19:20.57 | sahaqiel_ | he doesn't want to register |
| 19:21.04 | hyper__ch | sahaqiel_: thx |
| 19:21.24 | pinotree | and? you need to have an account to do anything like CC, voting, etc on bugzilla |
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| 19:22.12 | sahaqiel_ | well, he can still do those with an account that isn't his |
| 19:22.12 | pinotree | using such a "forget-email" is like don't caring at all |
| 19:22.33 | pinotree | then just report the bug using those? |
| 19:23.09 | sahaqiel_ | yes, not a good idea in the long term |
| 19:23.25 | pinotree | you report a bug now, and in the future? |
| 19:23.29 | ddfert | Hi everyone |
| 19:23.52 | pinotree | developers can ask you for more details, or eve if the problem was fixed or is still there in newer version |
| 19:23.59 | sahaqiel_ | pinotree, if everyone starting doing that, nothing good would come of it. didn't really think that much through |
| 19:24.28 | MaikB | Nice to know this service anyway.. |
| 19:24.33 | pinotree | but, as you were so smart so use a "temporary email", all of this will be without reply |
| 19:25.10 | MaikB | But I agree it doesn't suite for a bug tracker |
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| 19:25.48 | sahaqiel_ | pinotree, but can't he use that temporary email account, add his real email to the cc ( he states in the report that he's using a bugmenot , i've triaged a bug from someone coming from that site before ) and then he's alerted to all the changes in the bug |
| 19:26.23 | sahaqiel_ | the emails will go to 2 different accounts, sure, extra bandwitdh |
| 19:26.30 | pinotree | but what for? |
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| 19:27.10 | sahaqiel_ | hey, it's his issue with regestering. ask him that ;) |
| 19:27.48 | pinotree | hyper__ch: what about just registering a normal account? it won't take more than 5 minutes, and you do that *once* |
| 19:28.09 | hyper__ch | pinotree: takes half an hour for greylisting to pass ;) |
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| 19:28.11 | pinchartl | hi |
| 19:28.17 | pinotree | greylist? |
| 19:28.23 | hyper__ch | yes, greylisting ;) |
| 19:28.31 | pinotree | of what? |
| 19:28.41 | hyper__ch | of incoming unknown email ;) |
| 19:28.49 | pinotree | ?? |
| 19:29.04 | hyper__ch | I use greylisting on my server as one of a few anti-spam measures |
| 19:29.27 | pinotree | and what is the real problem in just doing that... *once* ? |
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| 19:29.40 | hyper__ch | pinotree: it takes half an hour |
| 19:29.51 | pinotree | again: what is the real problem in just doing that... *once* ? |
| 19:29.54 | hyper__ch | pinotree: and it's very likely the only bug I'll ever report ;) |
| 19:30.06 | pinotree | never say never |
| 19:30.24 | hyper__ch | very likely |
| 19:30.27 | sahaqiel_ | hyper__ch, actually, i think it takes less than 5 minutes, they only ask your name and email |
| 19:30.29 | hyper__ch | I didn't say never |
| 19:30.39 | hyper__ch | sahaqiel_: don't you have to validate your email? |
| 19:30.44 | pinotree | no |
| 19:30.52 | hyper__ch | they should introduce that ;) |
| 19:30.55 | sahaqiel_ | i don't remeber that |
| 19:31.08 | hyper__ch | and besides, I just don't like to register everywhere |
| 19:31.56 | pinotree | and how do you think developers can ask feedback from you? |
| 19:32.02 | sahaqiel_ | pinotree has a point. you are here to help, aren't you? you will be bugged by bugzilla everytime your bug changes, sure, but it's for the common good. |
| 19:32.32 | hyper__ch | it's one simple bug... with a fix for it... a small thing the original author overlooked.... |
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| 19:32.54 | pinotree | and if it's not really a fix, but needs few touches? |
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| 19:33.01 | sahaqiel_ | maybe then the mailing list is better suited? |
| 19:33.11 | sahaqiel_ | if there is one |
| 19:33.34 | blauzahl-laptop | sheesh, if you're that lazy, konversation actually has a wiki, but you probably have to register for that too |
| 19:33.39 | hyper__ch | well, then someone with better knowledge than me will write the few touches to it |
| 19:33.48 | pinchartl | is there any reason why kdm3, when asked for a kde4 session, insists in launching the whole kde3 desktop (kded, kdesktop & co) in addition to the kde4 desktop ? I get kicker on top of the kde4 panel |
| 19:33.54 | blauzahl-laptop | hyper__ch: don't you want the feedback? |
| 19:34.05 | hyper__ch | blauzahl-laptop: for me it's fixed now |
| 19:34.28 | hyper__ch | blauzahl-laptop: and I just thought instead of reporting it to launchpad only I could also report it directly at the source |
| 19:34.28 | pinotree | but not for anybody else |
| 19:34.50 | pinotree | ah, so launchpad is worth registering, and kde's bugzilla isn't? |
| 19:34.59 | hyper__ch | yes |
| 19:35.02 | sahaqiel_ | hyper__ch, busted :) |
| 19:35.04 | pinotree | BS |
| 19:35.17 | hyper__ch | pinotree: why? |
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| 19:36.19 | pinotree | so, instead of just helping kde, you report something in some other place |
| 19:36.34 | hyper__ch | well, in a month I'll be off KDE again |
| 19:36.35 | sahaqiel_ | pinotree, i also had my doubts when i registered. before i registered my email wouldn't be found easily on google.com . then after 1/2 bug reports, oh there it is in mailing lists |
| 19:37.03 | blauzahl-laptop | well,l I'm sure the devs would appreaciate the patch |
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| 19:37.50 | hyper__ch | I change DE every 6 month upon each new alpha release of *buntu |
| 19:38.04 | pinotree | and? |
| 19:38.42 | hyper__ch | so I don't see a reason why I should register at kde bugzilla |
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| 19:39.57 | pinotree | then you don't want to help kde. |
| 19:40.18 | hyper__ch | why should I be forced to register if I want to help? |
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| 19:40.33 | pinotree | because developers don't want to talk with AIR? |
| 19:40.54 | pinotree | developers needs feedback from everyone |
| 19:41.13 | hyper__ch | but not everyone wants to register |
| 19:41.31 | pinotree | still, what is the real problem in doing that *once*? |
| 19:41.40 | pinotree | (apart the 30m stuff) |
| 19:41.58 | hyper__ch | I just don't want to |
| 19:42.10 | pinotree | then you don't want to help kde |
| 19:42.19 | hyper__ch | that is your interpretation |
| 19:42.27 | pinotree | no, that's the truth |
| 19:42.33 | hyper__ch | no, that is your interpretation |
| 19:42.44 | pinotree | kde does not ask so much |
| 19:43.01 | hyper__ch | I never said differently |
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| 19:44.03 | pinotree | so you're happy to not wanting to register *once*? |
| 19:44.08 | P-Luc_Auclair | no, it really makes sense to submit bugs without registering |
| 19:44.19 | sahaqiel_ | hyper__ch, if there really is a wiki, I don't think using a jetable account there matters as much as bugzilla |
| 19:44.58 | hyper__ch | well, each one his opinion... if you can't respect mine then it's your problem and not mine |
| 19:44.59 | pinotree | and btw, if you started the registration 31 minutes ago, you would have an account right now |
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| 19:45.06 | hyper__ch | bye |
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| 19:45.54 | sahaqiel_ | moral of the story: lower entry to help, more people help |
| 19:46.17 | P-Luc_Auclair | bugzilla certainly isn't low-entry IMO |
| 19:46.21 | pinotree | P-Luc_Auclair: and if a developer wants to ask you more information, how do they ask you? by mind contact? |
| 19:46.37 | sahaqiel_ | the problem is his help wouldn't be much without feedback, and in the long term it would be spam all around. the registration should really be mandatory |
| 19:46.38 | P-Luc_Auclair | you could simply just enter a valid email adress |
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| 19:46.56 | pinotree | that's already done, it's called "registration" |
| 19:46.58 | P-Luc_Auclair | I know, I am registered on so many bug trackers, but bugzilla is a PITA |
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| 19:47.25 | P-Luc_Auclair | pinotree, I know, but many do not want to register |
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| 19:48.06 | P-Luc_Auclair | just loot at launchpad, it's so easy to use |
| 19:48.25 | pinotree | launchpad is aimed at a different user base, fwiw |
| 19:48.44 | P-Luc_Auclair | I know, but it's still simple to use |
| 19:48.59 | sahaqiel_ | P-Luc_Auclair, noone ever said bugzilla wasn't a pain ( i think it's a pain for people that don't understand about the software they are using ). his issue was just register |
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| 19:49.26 | pinotree | it's more or less correct for the think or users it has to deal with |
| 19:49.33 | P-Luc_Auclair | I don't recall how bugzilla registering works, is it that complicated? |
| 19:49.37 | blauzahl-laptop | don't you have more than one email if you're that concerned about spam? |
| 19:49.37 | pinotree | no |
| 19:49.42 | blauzahl-laptop | P-Luc_Auclair: no. |
| 19:50.07 | P-Luc_Auclair | I know, I'm playing evil's advocate |
| 19:50.20 | sahaqiel_ | *devil |
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| 19:50.27 | P-Luc_Auclair | right |
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| 19:51.04 | P-Luc_Auclair | easier bug reporting = more bug reports |
| 19:51.31 | pinotree | that's not the actual issue, that is "registering" |
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| 19:51.45 | Alumin | I have a question about the multi-time zone clock that shows up in the main panel...is there any way to get proper time zones to show up in the picker list, instead of just random cities? |
| 19:52.02 | pinotree | Alumin: kde3 or kde4? |
| 19:52.34 | Alumin | pinotree: 3.5.8 |
| 19:52.46 | pinotree | uh, which random cities? |
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| 19:53.05 | P-Luc_Auclair | registering is a barrier, like it or not |
| 19:53.16 | P-Luc_Auclair | even if it's easy, you still have to do it |
| 19:53.40 | Alumin | well, there's a large list of them...which is fine, but the problem is that I don't really know what's around the place (Dulles, Virginia), I just know it's EST |
| 19:53.44 | P-Luc_Auclair | and by definition, people are lazy |
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| 19:53.51 | pinotree | P-Luc_Auclair: the guy was already registered in launchpad though, and when asked "so it's worth doing that (once) in launchpad, but not for kde?" he replied yes |
| 19:54.09 | P-Luc_Auclair | pinotree, really? then it's a shame |
| 19:54.13 | pinotree | Alumin: usually they are the state/country capitals |
| 19:54.18 | P-Luc_Auclair | but there's still half-a-point |
| 19:54.24 | pinotree | P-Luc_Auclair: exactly, this is the problem |
| 19:54.45 | pinotree | so for $some_bugzilla yes, but kde not, by principle |
| 19:55.00 | P-Luc_Auclair | how by principle? |
| 19:55.06 | P-Luc_Auclair | is he some Gnome nerd? |
| 19:55.06 | pinotree | his priciple |
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| 19:55.17 | Alumin | pinotree: true, but it'd still be nice to actually be able to choose the right one and not just guess |
| 19:55.29 | Alumin | there are no fewer than twelve choices in the list that all say "eastern time" |
| 19:55.32 | pinotree | Alumin: well, were do you live? :) |
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| 19:56.08 | Alumin | I'm not trying to pick my own time zone...I'm trying to set up time for several locations around the world (where our other offices are) |
| 19:56.18 | P-Luc_Auclair | pinotree, I have to agree that based on his "argumentation" it makes no sense |
| 19:56.42 | pinotree | Alumin: ah.. then pick the location more close (but in the same TZ) of your places |
| 19:56.51 | P-Luc_Auclair | how about registering would be part of bug posting? it could easily be done |
| 19:57.03 | Alumin | ok...so there's no way to get the actual time zones as selections? |
| 19:57.11 | pinotree | hm? |
| 19:57.27 | pinotree | the ones in the list are timezones |
| 19:57.33 | Alumin | I mean, I can do that, but just being able to pick "EST" would be better than breaking out Google Maps and getting lat/long coordinates for a bunch of cities and comparing |
| 19:57.38 | pinotree | (also) |
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| 19:57.46 | thiago_home | "EST" is not a timezone |
| 19:58.11 | Alumin | ok fine, EST5EDT then |
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| 19:58.20 | thiago_home | still not a timezone |
| 19:58.27 | thiago_home | that does not convey the dates for the daylight savings |
| 19:59.05 | Alumin | I dunno, using CST6CDT for myself has worked pretty well over the years |
| 19:59.07 | thiago_home | though if you set "TZ" to that, it will work (somewhat) |
| 19:59.11 | thiago_home | you just shouldn't |
| 19:59.26 | Alumin | and by "pretty well" I mean "100% of the time" |
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| 20:00.12 | Alumin | I mean, if comparing/measuring map locations is the best way, I can do it |
| 20:00.17 | Alumin | just kinda time-consuming |
| 20:01.04 | Alumin | oops, brb...thanks for the info anyway |
| 20:01.08 | thiago_home | hmm... EST5EDT and CST6CDT are actual timezones |
| 20:01.28 | thiago_home | everyone else just chooses cities |
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| 20:11.42 | sharp15 | is there a way to export a group of messages from kmail or do i have to copy them out of .kde/<path to mail> by hand? |
| 20:14.14 | buscher | is it a known kde4(.0.4) problem that the X and plasma cpu load incrases dramaticly when I hold my mouse over the taskbar and a tooltip appears? |
| 20:14.49 | sharp15 | i'm on kde-3.5.9 if that's needed. |
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| 20:17.28 | SSJ_GZ | buscher: Yes: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161518 |
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| 20:18.15 | buscher | thx |
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| 20:22.58 | kendrick | is there a way to make just the Windows key pop up the K menu? |
| 20:23.04 | thiago_home | no |
| 20:23.10 | kendrick | when i try to configure it as a shortcut, it expects me to do "Win + ... something" |
| 20:23.17 | thiago_home | no modifier-only shortcuts in KDE |
| 20:23.19 | kendrick | ah ok |
| 20:23.25 | thiago_home | not even "Alt" to enable the menu bar anymore |
| 20:23.30 | kendrick | maybe i'll do, like, Win+Space |
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| 20:24.11 | Cazou | Hey, I'm using kdm 3.5 to start kde 4 which is compiled from svn in my /home/kde-devel/ |
| 20:24.32 | thiago_home | ok |
| 20:24.39 | Cazou | KDE 4 starts but KDE 3.5 starts too |
| 20:24.40 | thiago_home | kendrick: how about the default shortcut, Alt+F1? |
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| 20:25.01 | thiago_home | Cazou: just kicker and kdesktop. That happens because your system tells KDE 4 to start them. |
| 20:25.11 | kendrick | thiago_home: heh, yeah, i guess i could leave it at that |
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| 20:25.30 | Cazou | my system ? |
| 20:25.46 | mib_bq2sot | Are Dashboard widgets supposed to work in 4.1 beta1 ? |
| 20:26.09 | thiago_home | Cazou: yes |
| 20:26.31 | thiago_home | kicker and kdesktop in KDE 3 are started because there are two shortcuts to them in the system autostart dir |
| 20:26.48 | djouallah | how to make icons on the desktop transparant ( aka how to get rid of those black frame around icons ;) |
| 20:26.54 | thiago_home | there are two ways to make KDE 4 not start them: |
| 20:27.10 | thiago_home | 1) make KDE 4 not see the system autostart dir or 2) remove the files |
| 20:27.23 | thiago_home | option #2 makes kicker and kdesktop not start in KDE 3 either |
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| 20:27.51 | Cazou | and where is that dir ? |
| 20:28.01 | thiago_home | you tell me, it's your system :-) |
| 20:28.06 | thiago_home | probably /usr/share/autostart/ |
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| 20:28.56 | thiago_home | do you see a panel.desktop there? |
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| 20:29.16 | Cazou | oh right, but I have a /usr/kde/3.5/share/autostart/ |
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| 20:29.33 | thiago_home | is that where panel.desktop is? |
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| 20:30.54 | Cazou | I had kbluetoothd in /usr/share/autostart/ I moved it in /usr/kde/3.5/share/autostart/ |
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| 20:31.23 | thiago_home | please answer my question |
| 20:31.32 | Cazou | and panel.desktop is in /usr/kde/3.5/share/autostart/ |
| 20:31.38 | thiago_home | ok |
| 20:31.48 | thiago_home | what is your $KDEDIRS variable set to? |
| 20:32.15 | Cazou | /home/kde-devel/kde |
| 20:32.40 | thiago_home | are you sure? |
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| 20:32.50 | thiago_home | is that where you compiled KDE 4 to? |
| 20:33.03 | Cazou | yes and yes |
| 20:33.11 | thiago_home | run this please: kde4-config --path data |
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| 20:34.10 | Cazou | /home/kde-devel/.kde4/share/apps/:/home/kde-devel/kde/share/apps/ |
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| 20:35.29 | Freddy2 | hi |
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| 20:36.03 | thiago_home | Cazou: it shouldn't be finding the KDE 3 autostart files then |
| 20:36.10 | thiago_home | are you inside KDE 4 now? |
| 20:36.16 | Cazou | yes |
| 20:36.20 | Freddy2 | which packet contains ark (for zip and rar) integration of koqueror? |
| 20:36.24 | Freddy2 | (3.5.x) |
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| 20:36.33 | thiago_home | Freddy2: kdeutils for ark, the integration is in kdeaddons |
| 20:36.40 | Freddy2 | ok, thx |
| 20:37.32 | Cazou | well, kdesktop, kicker, knotify, kded, kdeinit, klauncher,.. from KDE 3 are running too |
| 20:37.50 | Cazou | but I did not start a kde 3 session |
| 20:38.07 | thiago_home | the first two start the rest |
| 20:38.24 | thiago_home | are you inside KDE 4 now? |
| 20:38.42 | Cazou | yes |
| 20:38.48 | thiago_home | then I don't know |
| 20:39.12 | thiago_home | you'll have to search to find which files are causing the autostart |
| 20:39.34 | thiago_home | last check: echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS |
| 20:40.11 | Cazou | not set |
| 20:40.19 | thiago_home | neither? |
| 20:40.26 | kuadrosx | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.28 | Cazou | no |
| 20:40.29 | kuadrosx | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.35 | thiago_home | I don't know then |
| 20:40.39 | kuadrosx | /usr/share:/usr/kde/3.5/share:/usr/local/share |
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| 20:41.48 | Cazou | in .xsession-errors I have "kdeinit4: Got EXEC_NEW '/usr/kde/3.5/bin/kdesktop' from launcher." |
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| 20:46.12 | Cazou | thiago_home: when I start /home/kde-devel/kde/bin/startkde manually, it only starts kde 4, the problem occurs only when launched from kdm-3.5 |
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| 20:47.41 | Benzi | for some reason, my kde applications can now only print to "Impresora PS" (PS Printer) |
| 20:47.50 | Benzi | they used to be able to access the full list of my CUPS printers |
| 20:48.22 | Benzi | KJobViewer still recognizes the printers, but for some reason konqueror, kpdf, etc. don't |
| 20:48.22 | Benzi | what could be the problem? |
| 20:48.27 | Benzi | kde print system doesn't recognize them |
| 20:48.48 | Benzi | scratch that: kde print system in administrator mode does |
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| 20:49.07 | Benzi | I'm not sure quite what permissions I changed, but what do I need to get the kde print system working as a regular user? |
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| 20:50.21 | Benzi | in kcontrol, for my printers, it says the user ben can access them (which is me), but within kde applications I can't |
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| 20:56.09 | MasterShrek | in kde4 my resolution always defaults lower than i leave it when i leave kde (using gentoo w/o kdm) anyone know how i can make it "stick" ? |
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| 20:59.41 | Cazou | thiago_home: Ok, my .bashrc file was returning when it was not an interactive shell, so the "source ~/kde-devel.sh" line was not run if I was not in a konsole |
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| 21:00.44 | murrant | MasterShrek: I'll help you in #gentoo |
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| 21:01.40 | Cazou | when kde 4 was starting, it did not parse the file but it did when I launched konsole |
| 21:02.16 | Cazou | that's while the environnement variable were correctly set but not used by kde |
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| 21:02.47 | Cazou | thiago_home: now it's ok :-) |
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| 21:13.34 | Ozy-work | is it possible to add commands to be run when I lock my screen? For instance, I want to pause amarok when I lock, and unpause when I come back |
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| 21:20.23 | DanielW | hi |
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| 21:21.00 | DanielW | in kde4 every windows has now a new button in the left top left corner next to the icon. i can switch it on and off. but it does nothing? |
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| 21:23.22 | lxsameer | hi , is any usful book or doc for how to developing kde in your maind to tell me? sorry i'm not good in english |
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| 21:24.14 | DanielW | there are books about qt. but i don't know of any direct for kde. but you my take a look on techbase.kde.org there are api dokus, tutorials and so on |
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| 21:25.39 | iuso | how can i disable the notification sounds ("ding" etc.) in KDE 4.1 beta? |
| 21:26.43 | lxsameer | DanielW :pretty good my friend , do you know about C++ gui programming with qt4 ? is any pdf version around the web? |
| 21:26.54 | lxsameer | DanielW: pretty good my friend , do you know about C++ gui programming with qt4 ? is any pdf version around the web? |
| 21:27.19 | DanielW | not sure. but there are a lot of good infos on the trolltech website |
| 21:27.50 | Benzi | MasterShrek: tried KRandR? |
| 21:28.16 | Benzi | MasterShrek: krandrtray |
| 21:28.18 | MetaMorfoziS | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/start.jpg |
| 21:28.31 | Benzi | MasterShrek: there is an option to have it apply settings at KDE startup |
| 21:28.36 | MasterShrek | Benzi, yea, it changes it but i have to run it each time (put in my Autostart folder and it runs each time kde4 starts but it has to change it each time) |
| 21:29.02 | Benzi | MasterShrek, there is nothing KDE can do about that, you have to configure your display manager. What manager is it? |
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| 21:29.33 | MasterShrek | Benzi, no display manager, i use just a simple startx |
| 21:29.47 | Benzi | xorg? |
| 21:29.54 | MasterShrek | my xorg.conf is set up with only 1280x1024 as Modes, but it still starts with 1152x768 |
| 21:30.14 | MasterShrek | kde3 worked fine, thats why im sure its somthign with kde4 |
| 21:30.17 | Benzi | hmm |
| 21:30.23 | Benzi | oh |
| 21:30.33 | Benzi | k, that exhausts my knowledge, lol sorry |
| 21:30.40 | MasterShrek | lolz, thanks anyway :) |
| 21:33.02 | DanielW | MasterShrek: there is a display resolution setting inside kde4. but for me that doesn't work (it just always works with the settings from xorg.conf |
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| 21:36.05 | MasterShrek | i use the display settings in kde4 (krandrtray) to set the resolution that i want after starting kde4, but i want the resolution to be right when kde4 starts so i dont have to change it each time |
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| 21:37.24 | DanielW | MasterShrek: i don't think that krandrtray is the kde setting for it. take a look in systemsettings, display -> size&orientation |
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| 21:39.33 | MasterShrek | yea, thats a snap-in if you will for krandr i believe |
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| 21:44.58 | pushnell | Hey all, running kubuntu4 (8.04) with KDE 4.0.3. Something glitched when I went into Display Settings, and my desktop got borked -- it appeared to be running at 640x480 and was unresponsive to any input. My only solution was to kill my ~/.kde4 directory and start over. Anyone have any better solutions? |
| 21:46.45 | pushnell | Any way to reset my display settings from a terminal? |
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| 21:47.23 | DanielW | today is display settings day *G* |
| 21:47.43 | DanielW | that everything feels weird for me. as my display setup has nothing to do with kde |
| 21:47.57 | pushnell | Well, the login manager worked fine. It was only my user settings. |
| 21:48.12 | DanielW | pushnell: do you still have your ~/.kde4 dir? |
| 21:48.34 | pushnell | DanielW: no, I just did rm -rfd |
| 21:48.37 | DanielW | you can recover most of the thing in it. like kwallet data, bookmarks and so on |
| 21:48.41 | DanielW | oh |
| 21:48.51 | pushnell | This install has been up for about an hour, so I didn't lose much. |
| 21:48.56 | DanielW | pushnell: ok |
| 21:49.29 | pushnell | Yeah, I suppose I could have moved the dir and then selectively restored data, but was wondering if there was a way just to selectively force a reconfig of the display. |
| 21:49.48 | DanielW | pushnell: you should try kde 4.1 beta 1. it is a huge step forward (altough i don't know about a "kde goes to 640x480" bug) |
| 21:50.16 | DanielW | pushnell: well you could try to find the responsive config file for that and just delete that |
| 21:50.24 | DanielW | but sorry don't ask me for its name |
| 21:50.33 | pushnell | Yeah, it was quite strange. Had been in that control panel a number of times, everything on my system was working fine. As soon as I clicked the icon, the display glitched (corrupt for a moment), and then went to the alternate resolution, which persisted after a reboot. |
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| 21:51.48 | DanielW | MasterShrek had the opposite problem. he can not set a resolution persist |
| 21:53.14 | MasterShrek | seems to be a somewhat common problem in kde4, its young yet tho so i kinda expect a few bugs... |
| 21:54.24 | DanielW | i don't think it is a common problem. my computer has the ability to be affected by every bug outthere *G* never had screen res problems *G* |
| 21:54.50 | pushnell | Yeah, any .0 release is going to be interesting. On the whole, I'm impressed with KDE4 though. |
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| 22:02.53 | sdr_ | hi lads is this true that in kde4 there can be only one pannel? |
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| 22:18.17 | nostar | does anyone know how to set the default font size for gnome/gtk apps when in kde? when running gnome all looks good but when in kde all my gnome/gtk apps fonts are huge |
| 22:18.46 | USMarine | install gtk-qt-engine |
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| 22:47.33 | ruth | hi everybody; does anybody know, if it is possible with dolphin to actually 'browse' archive, instead of opening them with ark? with konqueror, i was able to browse for example *.tar.bz2 files... is that possible with dolphin too? |
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| 22:49.44 | Maik | Hi! Which is the right channel to get in touch with the kdevplatform/kdevelop people? |
| 22:49.53 | pinotree | #kdevelop? |
| 22:50.02 | hagabaka | ruth: does tar:<file> work? |
| 22:50.04 | Maik | thx |
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| 22:53.26 | ruth | hagabaka: of course it does - but it is not really user friendly to always have to enter tar:/patch/to/file.tar.bz2 into the adress bar... ;-) i'd prefer to simply 'click' on the archive to be able to browse... (just like konqueror does) |
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| 22:58.05 | illogic-al | ruth: if i recall correctly, it isn't currently possible and a deliberate decision has been made to not support that. |
| 22:59.01 | illogic-al | ruth: dolphin is meant for use as a file manager, not browser. konq should be used if you want to browse within those files. |
| 23:00.14 | sahaqiel_ | ruth, configure dolphin, general, browse through archives |
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| 23:02.35 | ruth | sahaqiel_: thanks i'll try that... ;-) hmm, if dolphin does not support that feature, it would be a _no_go_ for me personally, because i'm using that feature extensively with konqueror on 3.5.x... |
| 23:02.49 | sahaqiel_ | ruth, but it does |
| 23:02.58 | sahaqiel_ | just not by default |
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| 23:03.10 | sahaqiel_ | I mean, it does with the latest svn at least |
| 23:03.38 | sahaqiel_ | Since there is now a feature freeze in place, the beta must have this feature at least |
| 23:04.30 | ruth | sahaqiel_: so all is good then; if i can configure dolphin myself to 'browse' archives everything is fine... thank you all for your help... ;-) |
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| 23:28.35 | yacc | Any way in Konqueror to get the URLs of embedded objects? (Like the tab in Firefox Page Information) |
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| 23:33.38 | pushnell | noob question: how do I manually add applications to kde4's launcher list? |
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| 23:34.52 | daemon3 | Hm. For KDE4, there's no sound. What do I need to do to get sound? |
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| 23:45.22 | sahaqiel_ | pushnell, i think you can add applications to autostart in system settings ( go there through the kickoff) , advanced, autostart. |
| 23:46.20 | USMarine | pushnell cd ~/.kde/Autostart && ln -s /usr/bin/applicationName applicationName |
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| 23:47.45 | pushnell | thanks both |
| 23:50.55 | daemon3 | Anyone having trouble with sound in KDE 4? |
| 23:53.40 | sahaqiel_ | daemon3, the problems i have with sound is if some application starts using oss instead of alsa |
| 23:53.53 | sahaqiel_ | and that happens with any DE |
| 23:54.32 | daemon3 | I don't get any sound whatsoever. |
| 23:54.40 | daemon3 | And I do with gnome and kde 3. |
| 23:54.52 | sahaqiel_ | so if you want to know if some application is hogging the sound, do lsof /dev/snd* and then lsof /dev/dsp , both need root |
| 23:55.05 | sahaqiel_ | oops, i mean the first is lsof /dev/snd/* |
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| 23:56.16 | sahaqiel_ | or if phonon detected the wrong sound card, you need to go in system settings and try to change to another |
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