| 00:01.00 | Jucato | MaxHeadroom: I don't think you can unless you whold down Shift or Alt (forgot which is which) |
| 00:01.54 | MaxHeadroom | Jucato: ok, yeah, its shift, I am wanting something that doesn't use any other keys, and rids that menu unless I ask for it, with right click or such |
| 00:02.15 | Jucato | none that I know of |
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| 00:06.12 | MaxHeadroom | hopefully in kde 4.x that can be done |
| 00:08.07 | Jucato | currently, nope |
| 00:08.21 | MaxHeadroom | rats |
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| 00:08.43 | Jucato | and if memory serves me correct, some usability study done some time back actually said that users who tested different file manager liked that feature |
| 00:08.55 | Jucato | vs. for example inconsitent handling in Windows Explorer |
| 00:09.01 | Jucato | (forgot what Nautilus does) |
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| 00:11.21 | sweetgum | anyone in here use Fedora? |
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| 00:24.39 | Anonycat | http://dpaste.com/56522/ - I get this error when trying to start up Konqueror on 4.0.5 that was upgraded from 3. What's preventing it from opening? |
| 00:26.15 | DanielW | something about your x. old xorg version? |
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| 00:28.21 | PovAddict | is there any command-line tool like 'cp' but supporting ioslaves? |
| 00:29.09 | Jucato | in KDE 4, there's kde-cp and kde-mv.. though not sure how much they support ioslaves |
| 00:29.24 | pinotree | they should |
| 00:29.39 | Jucato | great! :) |
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| 00:40.19 | hachque | omg KDE 4.1 looks awesome |
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| 00:42.37 | hachque | yay panel resizing |
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| 00:47.57 | FelipeS | hi, I'm on opensuse 11. for some reason all the icons show up only when you click on "Show Dashboard", and not on the actual desktop. How do I make them show up on the actual desktop? |
| 00:49.25 | DanielW | should be the same |
| 00:52.38 | FelipeS | DanielW: At first they were showing on the desktop. |
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| 00:53.58 | troy | Jucato: then the bad luck is coming to you from the past! *cue scary music* |
| 00:54.26 | Jucato | troy: too late again. it came days before :) |
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| 00:54.48 | Jucato | and your snowball is a stroke of good luck actually :P |
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| 00:56.10 | troy | Jucato: well, there's actually no snow (the ice on the lakes left last week though, so it's not that long ago)... |
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| 01:00.42 | troy | Jucato: so when will you get to meet some KDE people in the real world finally? :P |
| 01:00.55 | troy | Jucato: are you going to have to start KDE Asia? :) |
| 01:01.17 | Jucato | 1st question: when I win the lottery |
| 01:01.56 | Jucato | 2nd question: maybe I'll just join as a representative from the Philippines. forming a kde.ph is highly impractical imho |
| 01:02.12 | Jucato | except probably as an interest/fan group |
| 01:03.00 | troy | Jucato: well, we just obtained kde.ca from the previous owners, so we can start to set up a Canadian info forum of sorts... maybe you need to see if kde.ph is available :) |
| 01:03.44 | troy | right now it's just pointed at kde.org, which is fine :) |
| 01:04.29 | Jucato | troy: it is. but it's expensive...and I still need to see a practical side to forming a group... (which is extremely hard given my experiences with ubuntu-ph and from what I hear about the main Ph LUG group) |
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| 01:05.38 | PovAddict | some random bastard parked kde.com.ar |
| 01:05.44 | Jucato | it's also going to be terribly hard, given the language and geographical barriers (too many dialects, too many islands...) |
| 01:05.56 | troy | PovAddict: we don't have kde.com, though, either |
| 01:06.11 | PovAddict | troy: you need to be a registered non-profit in Argentina to get a .org.ar |
| 01:06.36 | troy | PovAddict: that isn't impossible for KDE to obtain, although getting it in each and every country might be somewhat of a hassle :) |
| 01:06.42 | PovAddict | .com.ar is the only one without extra requirements |
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| 01:09.03 | DanielW | troy: kde.com redirects to kde.org? |
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| 01:09.22 | Jucato | troy: $35/year... |
| 01:10.22 | PovAddict | for .net.ar you need to be an ISP, for the new .tur.ar you need to be a company allowed by the "secretary of tourism", etc |
| 01:10.33 | PovAddict | and *all are free* (in price) |
| 01:10.43 | troy | DanielW: kde.com isn't active... |
| 01:11.06 | Jucato | hm... wonder why the philippines doesn't have that restriction... |
| 01:11.11 | Jucato | "those restrictions" |
| 01:11.22 | troy | Jucato: each country is allowed to set their own rules for their TLD :) |
| 01:11.34 | Jucato | heheh :) |
| 01:11.56 | Jucato | well, if the US doesn't have such rules, then that would explain why :) |
| 01:12.42 | troy | in Canada, instead of .com.ca, etc... we have it subdivided based on regions, so you'd have .mb.ca for a site within the province of Manitoba :) regardless of what type of organization you are... and if you want a plain .ca, you have to have a presence in more than one province :) |
| 01:12.48 | Jucato | troy: either way, I'm not exactly sure what could be gained by forming a local KDE group... not even sure there are enough KDE users around to even make it worth it |
| 01:12.53 | troy | Jucato: well, the US's TLD is actually .us :P |
| 01:13.12 | troy | Jucato: well, users, yes - those interested in being in a group, probably not |
| 01:13.32 | troy | Jucato: there'd be enough within Asia though to hold meetings, although expensive ones :) |
| 01:13.55 | Jucato | troy: um... by "local" I meant .ph |
| 01:14.16 | Jucato | Asia, I have no doubt. KDE has a strong presence in India and China. even Japan has a local group :/ |
| 01:15.24 | Jucato | and if I do try to form a group, I want one that can give back to the KDE community at large... nothing to expect from translations/localizations here :) |
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| 01:15.45 | Jucato | so really it will probably just become a groupie kind of thing (unless contributors would grow from the group) |
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| 01:59.06 | HaIrLeSsHoBo | what's the best way to get window drop shadows in KDE 3.5.8 running Mepis 7 on an IBM Thinkpad G40 with the Intel 855GM video card |
| 02:00.15 | HaIrLeSsHoBo | it's not required.. I just got used to having them on my Mac mini and i'd like to get them on my linux. |
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| 02:06.58 | PovAddict | whoa |
| 02:07.22 | PovAddict | anyone here with KDE3.5? open Konqueror, do the quick in-page search thing with / |
| 02:07.26 | PovAddict | and type in some HTML |
| 02:07.34 | PovAddict | like... /<b>foo</b>bar |
| 02:07.40 | PovAddict | it shows in bold in the status bar |
| 02:07.40 | Shadow_Master | meh |
| 02:07.56 | PovAddict | why would it do that? |
| 02:08.59 | Shadow_Master | it's probably a feature =) |
| 02:09.18 | PovAddict | it doesn't search HTML, it searches only in the page *text* |
| 02:09.27 | PovAddict | but the status bar formats as HTML |
| 02:09.48 | Shadow_Master | wonders what would happen if I typed a javascript in there then.. |
| 02:10.07 | PovAddict | I tried :) |
| 02:10.08 | PovAddict | nothing |
| 02:10.22 | PovAddict | not even <a> works |
| 02:11.05 | Shadow_Master | PovAddict: it does if you use <a href="foobar.com">foobar</a> |
| 02:11.12 | Shadow_Master | just tried :P |
| 02:11.12 | PovAddict | but <b>, <i>, <h1> and other heading levels, <ul> and <li>, <br>... those work |
| 02:11.18 | PovAddict | I couldn't make <a> work, lemme try again |
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| 02:11.40 | PovAddict | I must have missed some character (since I can't see what I type) - weird |
| 02:11.57 | Shadow_Master | it doesn't make a real link, but it is formatted as such |
| 02:14.00 | PovAddict | apparently can't do CSS either |
| 02:14.42 | PovAddict | but <div> makes half the contents go too high so I guess it is being interpreted as a block element |
| 02:15.09 | PovAddict | it DOES do CSS! <div style="color:red">asd</div> worked |
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| 02:21.19 | zakm | is there any performance tweaks/improvements for 4.0.5 ? |
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| 02:38.09 | daeos | a friend of mine has this question: "how can i change my screen resolution in KDE, I've attempted many times to try and change my screen resolution away from 800x600. Any help? |
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| 02:38.54 | daeos | a friend of mine has this question: "how can i change my screen resolution in KDE, I've attempted many times to try and change my screen resolution away from 800x600. Any help? |
| 02:39.26 | Shadow_Master | no need for writing your question twice |
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| 03:08.20 | Abdiel | hi |
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| 03:10.53 | Abdiel | alguien me puede decir algo de esto |
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| 03:48.08 | zakm | is it worth going from 4.0.5 to svn? |
| 03:49.09 | g2g591 | not having tried 4.0.5 but having tried 4.0.4 , there is a TON of improvement in svn. |
| 03:49.35 | zakm | so i should work on geting svn? |
| 03:49.37 | g2g591 | im sorta partially upgraded to a seperate install of 4.0.5 |
| 03:49.46 | g2g591 | zakm: if you can |
| 03:49.50 | zakm | i have gentoo .. on a single core sempron.. so theres compile to consider |
| 03:50.22 | g2g591 | zakm: good, its easy to do svn kde on gentoo, after you install paludis and run a small bash script. |
| 03:50.43 | zakm | mind showing me or guiding me? |
| 03:50.47 | g2g591 | zakm: it takes about 45 min for kdelibs and .. i cant remember the time for all of kdebase-meta |
| 03:51.01 | zakm | would it matter that i already have 4.0.5? |
| 03:51.04 | g2g591 | zakm: nah |
| 03:51.07 | zakm | should i delete 4.0.5 or would it just upgrade |
| 03:51.20 | g2g591 | zakm: 4.0.x is in a different slot than svn |
| 03:51.37 | zakm | so i dont need to uninstall? |
| 03:51.39 | g2g591 | zakm: no |
| 03:52.06 | zakm | where would i find paludis + script and all? |
| 03:52.21 | g2g591 | zakm: lets move this discussion to #genkdesvn |
| 03:52.27 | g2g591 | zakm: its more ontopic there |
| 03:53.29 | g2g591 | zakm: just /join genkdesvn if you will please, after all thsi is distro specific |
| 03:53.37 | zakm | i did |
| 03:53.38 | zakm | thanks |
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| 04:34.47 | birnisson | hi, I still don't really get what the zui is supposed to do better/more than desktopgrid, can someone explain this to me? tnx |
| 04:38.13 | g2g591 | birnisson: i have no idea that you are talking about? zui? desktopgrid? what!?!? |
| 04:40.11 | birnisson | g2g591: plasma's zooming user interface and kwin's desktopgrid effect |
| 04:40.21 | g2g591 | ah |
| 04:40.35 | g2g591 | birnisson: well its personal preferance |
| 04:40.44 | g2g591 | some like zoom, some like a grid better |
| 04:40.53 | g2g591 | just my 2 cents anyway |
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| 05:20.26 | zakm | is kde svn from gentoo. kde 4.1? |
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| 05:25.33 | PragmticAnarchy | hiyall |
| 05:26.23 | PragmticAnarchy | i just installed kde4 following the gentoo.org guide but now i cant make kdm to start.. 3,5 neither 4.0 |
| 05:27.01 | PragmticAnarchy | it just came with a black screen and the x mouse punter |
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| 05:27.14 | jazka | PragmticAnarchy: #gentoo-kde |
| 05:27.27 | PragmticAnarchy | oh thx |
| 05:27.43 | PragmticAnarchy | bye |
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| 06:40.00 | kwindva | Would someone like to tell me, where are the files of cursor theme:KDE Classic? |
| 06:40.42 | kwindva | i searched /usr/share/icons/ and /usr/kde/svn/share/icons/,and didn't find them |
| 06:43.28 | kwindva | But the cursor theme do exist in my system ,and to be default in it .Where are the files on earth? |
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| 06:44.05 | warrendee | hi |
| 06:44.29 | kwindva | hi |
| 06:44.31 | warrendee | i just installed kde 4.1beta and would like to know how to resize the height of the panel? it's like this option disappeared |
| 06:44.59 | kwindva | right click on the panel ,panel settings |
| 06:45.30 | warrendee | you can't change the height with that |
| 06:45.32 | Kage_Jittai | right click on the panel, and go into edit mode. You drag the bar that sits ontop of the edit menu |
| 06:45.41 | kwindva | move your mouse to the top of the settings panel ,and drag it down or up |
| 06:46.33 | warrendee | this sucks a bit xD |
| 06:46.35 | warrendee | thanks |
| 06:47.04 | Kage_Jittai | thinks plasma is starting to go down hill |
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| 06:48.50 | kwindva | again,who can tell me,where are the files of cursor theme:KDE Classic? |
| 06:49.17 | Kage_Jittai | kwindva: try #kde-devel maybe |
| 06:49.40 | kwindva | yes ,i used the svn of kde4.1 |
| 06:50.13 | Kage_Jittai | it would be in kdebase |
| 06:50.17 | kwindva | but in kde4.0,i didn't find the files too |
| 06:50.29 | kwindva | kdebase? |
| 06:50.35 | Kage_Jittai | from the SVN |
| 06:50.50 | kwindva | what i need is the absolute path |
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| 06:52.28 | kwindva | i haven't find the in /usr/share/icons/ and /usr/kde/svn/share/icons/,then where does the theme come from? |
| 06:52.47 | Kage_Jittai | I think, maybe also, it might just be the Xcursor |
| 06:52.55 | Kage_Jittai | or a X cursor |
| 06:53.01 | Kage_Jittai | ask in #kde-devel |
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| 06:53.12 | kwindva | oe,thanks |
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| 07:02.28 | purpleposeidon | well... I'm trying to compile kde... :O |
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| 07:03.51 | purpleposeidon | And of course I'm all grumpy because kdesktop got removed and I can't do alt-f2 anymore. :/ |
| 07:09.50 | lemma | purpleposeidon: that I don't get. don't you get krunner on pressing alt+f2? |
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| 07:10.04 | purpleposeidon | no, in fact, I get nothing. |
| 07:10.35 | lemma | purpleposeidon: well, you should :-) krunner is the replacement for the "Exectue command" dialog. It does the same and more. Plus it's a lot shinier |
| 07:10.46 | purpleposeidon | Anyways, I've been having trouble with strigi |
| 07:11.03 | purpleposeidon | ...getting it to compile |
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| 07:11.42 | lemma | purpleposeidon: I just joined. did you happen to already paste your make output somewhere? |
| 07:12.14 | purpleposeidon | lemma: No. But I think I've fixed the problem by building strigi individually. |
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| 07:12.40 | purpleposeidon | ... I kinda wish this was a lot more like ./configure; make; make install |
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| 07:13.26 | lemma | purpleposeidon: really? I'm glad it isn't :-) in my opinion cmake is a lot easier from a developer's kind of view and about the same level of difficulty for a user |
| 07:13.52 | purpleposeidon | s/make/cmake/ then. :P |
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| 07:14.15 | lemma | purpleposeidon: nono. cmake is not a "make" replacement, but a replacement for the autotools |
| 07:14.17 | purpleposeidon | That ^^^ is one line, compiling kde4 has been like, uh, several paragraphs. :P |
| 07:14.21 | lemma | purpleposeidon: s/configure/cmake/ |
| 07:14.35 | purpleposeidon | well silly me. :/ |
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| 07:15.16 | lemma | purpleposeidon: Well, you need to compile every module separately. However I'm not sure it was any different in KDE 3.5 |
| 07:15.36 | purpleposeidon | meh, I will see. |
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| 07:27.16 | purpleposeidon | right, so, issues with strigi: http://rafb.net/p/PksX0x73.html |
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| 07:31.06 | lemma | purpleposeidon: did you compile kdesupport or install strigi from your distribution? |
| 07:31.18 | purpleposeidon | Compiled it |
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| 07:33.08 | lemma | purpleposeidon: that's really strange. you did do make install, right? |
| 07:33.23 | purpleposeidon | maybe not ;) |
| 07:33.34 | lemma | purpleposeidon: well, if it's that it would be easy to fix :-) |
| 07:33.42 | lemma | purpleposeidon: if not I'm pretty much out of ideas |
| 07:34.13 | purpleposeidon | I think that might be it, the webpage didn't say nothin' bout no make install |
| 07:34.26 | purpleposeidon | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Prerequisites |
| 07:34.47 | purpleposeidon | at "cd kdesupport" |
| 07:35.18 | purpleposeidon | argh, nope, same error I think... |
| 07:35.55 | Jucato | how did you compile kdesupport? |
| 07:35.57 | purpleposeidon | maybe this $PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
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| 07:36.26 | purpleposeidon | cs svn checkout blah blah blah cd kdesupport cmakekde |
| 07:36.42 | Jucato | did cmakekde finish successfully? |
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| 07:36.50 | purpleposeidon | I'm pretty sure it did... :/ |
| 07:36.56 | Jucato | (that's what runs cmake && make && make install) |
| 07:37.08 | purpleposeidon | oh! So make install doesn't matter then... |
| 07:37.41 | purpleposeidon | looks pretty happy... |
| 07:38.16 | Jucato | "echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH" please |
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| 07:38.35 | purpleposeidon | /home/kde-devel/qt-copy/lib/pkgconfig |
| 07:39.28 | Jucato | can you check in that directory if libstreamanalyzer.pc is there? |
| 07:40.36 | purpleposeidon | ah, that's interesting... |
| 07:40.42 | Jucato | also, if you were following the techbase guide to the letter, including using the custom ~/.bashrc they provide, $PKG_CONFIG_PATH should have 2 diretories I think |
| 07:41.03 | purpleposeidon | yeah.. actually, I just logged on and I see that there are now two directories listed |
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| 07:41.26 | Jucato | :) |
| 07:41.48 | purpleposeidon | blarrrr |
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| 07:42.05 | Jucato | hm? |
| 07:42.10 | purpleposeidon | next time, I want this big text file that I highlight and middle paste into an xterm ;) |
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| 07:42.21 | purpleposeidon | Jucato: yeah, it's working now, happiness. |
| 07:42.28 | Jucato | :P |
| 07:42.43 | purpleposeidon | ... of course, it'll be even more happiness when this is finished. :P |
| 07:42.44 | Jucato | now give me a kookie! |
| 07:42.51 | purpleposeidon | gives Jucato a kookie |
| 07:43.00 | Jucato | munches happily |
| 07:43.26 | purpleposeidon | oh boy, compilation, time to get ready for sleep... |
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| 07:44.02 | Jucato | kdelibs won't take as long as kdebase... iirc kdelibs was 30 minutes or so |
| 07:45.38 | lemma | has a big textfile that does everything for him :-) |
| 07:46.18 | Jucato | lemma: does it order you pizza? |
| 07:46.33 | lemma | Jucato: hm... I guess I'd have to patch that in first :) |
| 07:46.43 | Jucato | right. otherwise it sucks |
| 07:46.53 | lemma | Jucato: :-( |
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| 07:47.32 | lemma | Jucato: it makes compiling around 300% faster! |
| 07:47.51 | Jucato | but w/o pizza? who cares?!?!? |
| 07:47.54 | Jucato | :) |
| 07:47.55 | lemma | ^^ |
| 07:48.11 | Sput | just uses his distro packages |
| 07:48.19 | purpleposeidon | silliness. |
| 07:48.41 | Sput | not if it's live packages :) |
| 07:48.55 | lemma | uses KDE 3.5.9 :-) |
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| 07:49.06 | Sput | uses trunk as of last night |
| 07:49.27 | purpleposeidon | do you have a kde-update cron job? |
| 07:49.39 | lemma | purpleposeidon: no. but I'm using a script to update whenever I want |
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| 07:50.36 | Sput | does "emerge kdelibs @kdebase-meta @kdepim-meta" |
| 07:50.53 | purpleposeidon | hrrm |
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| 08:21.07 | Lab | Has anyone used the emulator of Konqueror in KDE4, it seems it doesn't accept my typing. |
| 08:21.43 | jazka | emulator of konqueror? |
| 08:23.13 | Lab | jazka:Konqueror->Window->Terminal Emulator |
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| 08:23.33 | jazka | let me try |
| 08:23.58 | alediaferia | Lab: trunk? |
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| 08:24.31 | Lab | jazka:I can't see the $ sign |
| 08:24.52 | jazka | I don't see it either |
| 08:24.59 | jazka | using 4.1 trunk |
| 08:25.14 | alediaferia | it happens here too, trunk |
| 08:25.35 | Lab | jazka:so it must be a bug? |
| 08:26.00 | alediaferia | Lab: it is a bug =) why don't you report it ? |
| 08:26.00 | jazka | probably, report it, if it's not reported already ^^ |
| 08:26.47 | Lab | alediaferia: jazka: I'm doing it. |
| 08:27.01 | alediaferia | good one! =) |
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| 09:05.16 | alediaferia | gets angry with kmix which starts visible on startup.. |
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| 09:07.25 | ethan961 | ooohhhhh, damn that kmix |
| 09:07.41 | alediaferia | ethan961: know the issue? |
| 09:08.02 | ethan961 | no |
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| 09:09.17 | oneforall | hey is kdebindings needed for kde4 ? |
| 09:10.25 | alediaferia | no |
| 09:10.46 | oneforall | is it that sip that sorta takes care of that |
| 09:11.52 | oneforall | hm accually thats for pythons bings now that i read that again |
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| 09:13.47 | rabauke | should all kwin effects work with the ati binary drivers? |
| 09:14.13 | rabauke | kwin4 |
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| 09:17.54 | alediaferia | kmix devs around? |
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| 09:40.22 | annma | alediaferia: what about kmix? |
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| 09:50.16 | alediaferia | annma: sorry for late reply |
| 09:50.22 | alediaferia | annma: kmix on startup start visible |
| 09:50.28 | alediaferia | not only docked in tray |
| 09:50.51 | annma | that was done recently |
| 09:50.59 | annma | you should look who added that |
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| 09:51.25 | alediaferia | is it a programmed feature? |
| 09:52.12 | annma | probably, it puts the .desktop file in global autostart |
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| 09:52.46 | annma | well maybe it's not recent, I only noticed it yesterday though |
| 09:52.47 | alediaferia | well but it should only start docked on tray, not also visible |
| 09:52.48 | teliti | Hello. With "HSpell" as spellchecker, is this HunSpell? |
| 09:52.55 | annma | alediaferia: I get that, yes |
| 09:53.08 | annma | alediaferia: can it be done in the desktop file? |
| 09:53.20 | alediaferia | looks |
| 09:54.02 | GraveDigger | teliti: ask your package manager for information about it |
| 09:54.12 | GraveDigger | teliti: mine for example says: Beschreibung : Hebrew spell-checker |
| 09:54.32 | GraveDigger | somewhat doubts, that hungarians write hebrew |
| 09:54.47 | annma | I don't know why this is a dependency on kdebase |
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| 09:55.00 | teliti | GraveDigger: ahh, thank you - so HunSpell doesnt seem to be supported for 3.5.9 .-/ |
| 09:55.20 | GraveDigger | teliti: i dont know, could be |
| 09:55.50 | teliti | GraveDigger: thx |
| 09:55.57 | GraveDigger | you're welcome |
| 09:56.17 | nyuu | ow hi |
| 09:56.31 | nyuu | I have a problem with installing my native language |
| 09:56.41 | alediaferia | logs out to test kmix |
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| 09:57.07 | nyuu | K > System Setting > Region, I can't install another language |
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| 09:58.08 | annma | nyuu: you need to install the package first |
| 09:58.15 | Kraplax | nyuu: maybe you should install respective packages before trying? |
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| 09:58.26 | annma | System Settings allows you to use an already installed package nyuu |
| 09:58.27 | alediaferia | annma: just found what makes kmix start visible =) |
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| 09:58.33 | annma | alediaferia: :))) |
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| 09:58.53 | alediaferia | then? should we fix it? |
| 09:58.58 | nyuu | how can I convert my english kubuntu into my turkish language |
| 09:59.08 | flaccid | should there be a dialog saying can't find the required files instead of no action? |
| 09:59.37 | Kraplax | nyuu: anstall respective l10n and i18n packages for Turkish |
| 09:59.39 | annma | alediaferia: let me look who added it |
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| 09:59.59 | nyuu | sudo apt-get install l10n i18n ? |
| 10:00.05 | annma | alediaferia: jonathan riddell |
| 10:00.06 | Kraplax | nyuu: no |
| 10:00.21 | alediaferia | annma: ok, the thing is: kmix_autostart.desktop, line: X-KDE-autostart-condition:kmixrc:Global:AutoStart:true |
| 10:00.22 | Kraplax | nyuu: do you know the lang code for Turkish? |
| 10:00.28 | nyuu | tr ? |
| 10:00.36 | alediaferia | annma: the last true of that line should be made false to avoid kmix visible on startup |
| 10:00.38 | annma | alediaferia: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdemultimedia/kmix/kmix_autostart.desktop?revision=789276&view=markup |
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| 10:00.53 | annma | alediaferia: it was intended not to show the window |
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| 10:00.58 | Kraplax | nyuu: maybe |
| 10:00.59 | nyuu | or the iso code |
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| 10:01.16 | alediaferia | annma: but it shows.. |
| 10:01.28 | annma | yes, let me ask Riddell |
| 10:01.35 | alediaferia | ok thank you =) |
| 10:01.36 | Kraplax | nyuu: so, just open your package manager and filter packages containing 'l10n' for example |
| 10:01.52 | nyuu | ha ok I see |
| 10:01.53 | annma | do you have svn rights? |
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| 10:02.08 | nyuu | but I have already installed a lot of pacgaces |
| 10:02.09 | nyuu | but |
| 10:02.21 | nyuu | I want to turn my bare kde to turkish |
| 10:02.23 | Kraplax | nyuu: then install those which contains 'tr', like 'kde-l10n-tr' or something |
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| 10:02.44 | vecciora | There is no show desktop widget in KDE 4. |
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| 10:02.51 | GraveDigger | there is |
| 10:02.57 | Kraplax | nyuu: are you sure all Turkish l10n and 18n packages are installed? |
| 10:03.06 | mauro | good evening |
| 10:03.19 | Kraplax | mauro: good evening =) |
| 10:03.20 | mauro | ops good moring :) |
| 10:03.24 | vecciora | I never found it. |
| 10:03.26 | nyuu | no :S |
| 10:03.41 | Kraplax | nyuu: well, then make sure =) |
| 10:03.50 | vecciora | Good evening. |
| 10:03.56 | nyuu | but with my previous kde I could make it by System Settings > Region |
| 10:04.09 | mauro | i have a problem....when i try to get qt-copy from svn |
| 10:04.38 | Kraplax | nyuu: just check all your language packages. 'l10n' stands for 'localization' and 'i18n' stands for 'internationalization'. |
| 10:05.16 | nyuu | ok |
| 10:05.20 | nyuu | thanks |
| 10:05.25 | mauro | can i have help? |
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| 10:05.44 | Kraplax | nyuu: just make sure you've installed those packages and it's supposed that new languages will appear in SystemSettings |
| 10:05.51 | Kraplax | mauro: be patient. |
| 10:05.58 | vecciora | I waiting for Fedora 10. |
| 10:06.03 | nyuu | ok |
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| 10:06.23 | mauro | Kraplax: ok i'm attend :) |
| 10:06.24 | Kraplax | mauro: i'm no developer, but you'll have to wait for someone experienced in that =) |
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| 10:07.12 | mauro | ok |
| 10:07.49 | mauro | Kraplax: exist an italian kde chat? |
| 10:08.43 | Kraplax | mauro: i dunno. try /list command in server window and 1) wait untill all channels are show 2) see through them =) |
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| 10:15.08 | blauzahl_ | mauro: #kde-it maybe |
| 10:15.22 | blauzahl_ | and i think so :) |
| 10:15.39 | nyuu | hey I have a problem with my stardict dictionaries |
| 10:15.47 | nyuu | HTML data parsing plug-in is not found! |
| 10:15.51 | nyuu | it says |
| 10:17.13 | annma | nyuu: ask your distro channel |
| 10:17.22 | nyuu | ok |
| 10:18.27 | mauro | blauzahl_: you know if exist a repo for debian lenny of kde 4.1? |
| 10:18.47 | blauzahl_ | lenny? seems kinda unlikely |
| 10:18.58 | blauzahl_ | 4.1 isn't out yet ;) |
| 10:19.05 | blauzahl_ | still 4.1beta, methinks |
| 10:19.35 | mauro | lenny is a beta...ok...but exist a repo?? |
| 10:20.14 | pusling | experimental |
| 10:20.33 | mauro | ok tnx |
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| 10:33.41 | poypoy | can someone help me i wont to dual boot ubuntu with vista but i only wont 2 options vista or ubuntu at moment i have about 6 4 ubuntu and 2 vista on the screen as boot options |
| 10:34.03 | pinotree | poypoy: #ubuntu please |
| 10:34.21 | poypoy | ok thx |
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| 11:02.21 | rusconi | hello all, I have compiled KDE from svn source three days ago (KDE version 4.00.82, I love it!), and I'm trying to have konsole run as I was used to with previous 3.5 version. ButI don't seem to be able to save into the profile all the tabs I have configured. Can anybody tell me if this feature should work or if it is still not ported? |
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| 11:04.31 | flaccid | how can i find out what was done to fix http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160705 ? |
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| 11:12.55 | Captainchris | i have a probleme with kdebase , when i build with libXrender , it sya: undefined reference XRenderFindVisual, when i build with Mesa lib , it say Error 'Picture' does not name .... lo'ts of error |
| 11:13.48 | bram85 | flaccid: either ask for clarification there, or look in the svn logs |
| 11:13.55 | sandsmark | flaccid: go and ask in #plasma =) |
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| 11:14.52 | flaccid | ok |
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| 11:16.43 | annma | Captainchris: if you have a build problem plese pastebin exact errors |
| 11:16.50 | Captainchris | ok anma |
| 11:16.50 | annma | Captainchris: from make VERBOSE=1 |
| 11:17.05 | annma | we all build KDE with libXrender Captainchris |
| 11:17.09 | flaccid | thanks guys |
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| 11:17.19 | annma | Captainchris: precise how you build as well |
| 11:17.30 | annma | totally manually or using a build distro? |
| 11:19.12 | Captainchris | slackwrae |
| 11:19.28 | Captainchris | manually |
| 11:20.01 | PuercoPop | I am curious as to why don't you use the binary package? And I use gentoo btw so I have no problem compiling |
| 11:22.15 | alediaferia | annma: can you test something for me? |
| 11:25.07 | SSJ_GZ | Captainchris: Do you have a libXrender.so on your system? |
| 11:25.23 | annma | alediaferia: tell me |
| 11:25.30 | SSJ_GZ | Captainchris: (In addition to libXrender.so.x, libXrender.so.x.y |
| 11:25.32 | SSJ_GZ | ) |
| 11:25.39 | alediaferia | open a kde app in which you have recent files |
| 11:25.40 | Captainchris | yes |
| 11:25.48 | alediaferia | annma: e.g. kwrite please |
| 11:25.49 | SSJ_GZ | Captainchris: Also libXrender.a? |
| 11:25.55 | annma | kate? |
| 11:26.00 | alediaferia | annma: ok |
| 11:26.03 | Captainchris | yes |
| 11:26.09 | SSJ_GZ | Hmmm |
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| 11:26.15 | alediaferia | annma: then click open |
| 11:26.15 | Captainchris | but i'm not build xrender 0.9.8 |
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| 11:26.29 | Captainchris | i've build libxrender and renderproto |
| 11:26.42 | alediaferia | annma: and type the name of a folder you see in the dialog |
| 11:27.06 | annma | alediaferia: in "location"? |
| 11:27.14 | alediaferia | annma:yes |
| 11:27.36 | alediaferia | annma: then hit enter, what happens? |
| 11:27.45 | annma | I don't really understand |
| 11:28.03 | alediaferia | annma: did kate open something? |
| 11:28.04 | annma | if I see a name on the dialog I click on it |
| 11:28.10 | alediaferia | annma: yes |
| 11:28.16 | alediaferia | annma: but try entering it |
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| 11:28.26 | alediaferia | annma: and pressing enter |
| 11:28.32 | annma | it's not the same |
| 11:28.39 | annma | the places are shortcuts |
| 11:28.55 | alediaferia | annma: sure.. it opens a file, and i cannot understand how it chooses it.. |
| 11:29.12 | annma | what has it to do with recent files? |
| 11:29.31 | alediaferia | annma: it happens only if we have some recent files stored |
| 11:30.06 | alediaferia | annma: if there are not recent the expected correct behavior happens |
| 11:30.10 | annma | I don't understand what happens |
| 11:30.18 | annma | what is the correct behaviour? |
| 11:30.44 | alediaferia | annma: when i type the name of a folder i expect the open dialog to open the folder and show me the files in it |
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| 11:31.03 | alediaferia | annma: here, instead, the app tries to open a file |
| 11:32.01 | annma | same in KWrite where I have no recent files |
| 11:32.09 | annma | I nuked my config yesterday |
| 11:32.23 | annma | there's no difference with Kate where I have recent files |
| 11:32.54 | annma | they both say the location is not an existing file |
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| 11:33.38 | alediaferia | for me the behavior is different: in kwrite (no recent files) opens the folder i type; in kate (with recent files) opens a file |
| 11:34.11 | annma | how can it open a folder? |
| 11:34.25 | alediaferia | the dialog opens the folder and shows me the files in it |
| 11:34.34 | annma | not there |
| 11:34.54 | annma | it shows the same dialog than Kate |
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| 11:35.25 | alediaferia | and opens a file even if you type the name of a folder? |
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| 11:36.22 | ougs | kde3 hangs when logging in "netbeans is loading" |
| 11:36.39 | ougs | how do i stop kde from trying to restore my session |
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| 11:37.08 | annma | it doe snot open anything |
| 11:37.12 | annma | it says the file does nto exist |
| 11:37.18 | annma | alediaferia: ^^ |
| 11:37.53 | alediaferia | annma: well the correct behavior should be to list the files of the folder you type in location |
| 11:38.31 | Nyle | good morning |
| 11:38.34 | annma | hmmm alediaferia |
| 11:38.54 | alediaferia | hmm annma tell me =) |
| 11:39.06 | Nyle | I dislike FF3.. I tried it and now I think I'll use Konq |
| 11:39.21 | Nyle | its just so awesome |
| 11:39.31 | annma | it does not do it in kde3 alediaferia |
| 11:39.37 | ougs | could someone help me? |
| 11:39.37 | Nyle | I can just open another tab in my /home/ file manager and just open a web! |
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| 11:39.56 | Nyle | ya'll did a kickass job with konqueror man |
| 11:39.58 | annma | ougs: distro? kde version? |
| 11:40.03 | Nyle | fuckin a. kudos |
| 11:40.10 | ougs | kde3, kubuntu |
| 11:40.48 | annma | ougs: #kubuntu |
| 11:40.52 | alediaferia | annma: in kde3 when i have an openFileDialog and type a path in location, the dialog itself opens the path and lists files in it.. |
| 11:40.55 | annma | ougs: netbeans is not a kde app |
| 11:41.01 | annma | alediaferia: in kate? |
| 11:41.06 | annma | alediaferia: I just tried it |
| 11:41.07 | ougs | the reason for the hangup came after i unstalled sun-java5, but i removed the package again. |
| 11:41.19 | annma | ougs: ask in #kubuntu |
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| 11:41.29 | ougs | yeah i know, but i am gessing that the reason it's loading is that kde is trying to restore the session. |
| 11:41.31 | alediaferia | annma: every where an openFileDialog is present =) |
| 11:41.37 | annma | ougs: try a new user then |
| 11:41.42 | ougs | so, first thing it to stop kde from restoring the session |
| 11:41.45 | annma | alediaferia: cannot reproduce |
| 11:41.55 | alediaferia | annma: ok np |
| 11:41.56 | annma | alediaferia: in kate kde3 I have a Music place on the left |
| 11:42.23 | alediaferia | annma: in kate kde3 when hit open an openFileDialogs shows your home folder i suppose |
| 11:42.36 | annma | when I click Open and type "music" in location it says this file doe snot exist or I don't have the rights |
| 11:42.42 | ougs | annama: i'll try a new user, but i want to FIX my current user as well |
| 11:43.02 | annma | ougs: yes, I'll help you with that but try a new user first |
| 11:43.13 | ougs | ok. brb |
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| 11:43.14 | alediaferia | annma: is music in your home folder? |
| 11:43.14 | annma | ougs: that's determines if it's local or global |
| 11:43.23 | ougs | i get it :) |
| 11:43.26 | annma | probably alediaferia |
| 11:43.44 | annma | alediaferia: I don't have Home as I am in French in kde3 |
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| 11:43.55 | annma | so your theory cannot work |
| 11:43.58 | alediaferia | annma: ok =) |
| 11:44.08 | annma | it is not meant to be typed in location |
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| 11:44.23 | annma | I have "Dossier utilisateur" ;) |
| 11:44.33 | alediaferia | oh i see :) |
| 11:44.43 | annma | I found a bug related to that in kde4 alediaferia |
| 11:44.52 | alediaferia | link? |
| 11:44.54 | annma | to those folders |
| 11:44.58 | Half-Left | annma, Got konqueror back to normal, had to delete it's directory in .kde, back to normal now |
| 11:45.04 | alediaferia | annma: reported? |
| 11:45.13 | annma | I did not open a bug report alediaferia |
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| 11:45.33 | alediaferia | okok, i thought you were talking about a report you found |
| 11:45.37 | annma | I talked to someone who will fix it |
| 11:45.47 | ougs | annma: new user didn't help :( |
| 11:45.52 | alediaferia | annma: ok good |
| 11:45.53 | annma | ougs: ouch |
| 11:46.09 | annma | ougs: did you ask #kubuntu |
| 11:46.38 | annma | I have to go unfortunately |
| 11:46.54 | ougs | nope. thought that i needed kde knowledge to fix this. |
| 11:46.57 | ougs | ok bue |
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| 11:52.48 | apokryphos | ougs: kcontrol -> session management |
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| 11:58.41 | ougs | i want to see which application is crashing on me at bootup |
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| 12:18.51 | wesley | Hi guys the guys from dragonplayer are great |
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| 12:25.01 | The_ManU_212 | hi my shortcut for killing a window isnt working anymore: ctrl+alt+esc, whats the reason, i only wanted ksnapshot to open with "print" but it only worked with a shortcut ctrl+print (perhaps because print is set for another option) |
| 12:25.17 | J-23 | How can I simply create one-color panel background file for Plasma? |
| 12:26.52 | Half-Left | J-23, Try this http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/Theme |
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| 12:27.15 | J-23 | yes, I'm reading it |
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| 12:27.38 | J-23 | but I don't understand how I should position and name elements |
| 12:28.22 | Half-Left | well search on techbase |
| 12:28.31 | J-23 | hmm, I probably first compile KDE 4.1 |
| 12:28.58 | aseigo | J-23: you can just create one with a id="center" box that is a flat colour |
| 12:30.01 | Half-Left | aseigo, What do you know about plasma :) |
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| 12:30.12 | aseigo | Half-Left: not much |
| 12:30.14 | cga | hi i get a warning in kdesvn-build about set_option() called for undefined module l10n-kde3/4 which it says it's probably a bug. is it a nown bug? |
| 12:30.18 | Half-Left | lol |
| 12:30.19 | J-23 | KDE3 was simplier to configure |
| 12:31.10 | cga | *known |
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| 12:32.08 | Half-Left | J-23, Thats because it's more mature, 3.0 didn't have all the features now |
| 12:32.40 | J-23 | I think about newest KDE3, not first version from 3.0 line |
| 12:33.30 | Inkarneuss | 3.5.9? |
| 12:33.32 | Half-Left | Right 4.0 is new |
| 12:34.11 | Half-Left | The coming 4.1 has more features, it's alot better |
| 12:34.56 | J-23 | hmm, only one month and 15 days to KDE 4.1 final :) |
| 12:35.20 | Half-Left | Thats why I'm using trunk :) |
| 12:35.32 | J-23 | checks out Qt-copy |
| 12:35.59 | cga | i guess that kde 4.x will not be considered "final" until the most famous applications will be integrated with it and qt4 |
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| 12:36.30 | Inkarneuss | u mean extragear? |
| 12:36.57 | Half-Left | cga, Not really at all, gnome doesn't have as many apps in it's default install |
| 12:37.23 | Half-Left | 4.1 will have the main ones which include PIM |
| 12:37.39 | cga | Inkarneuss: to me kde 4 is already good. but i mean the mass when a i speak of that. and not only extragears. i mean until "every" apps are ready |
| 12:38.14 | cga | Half-Left: agreed but, right i'm taling about outside applications |
| 12:38.27 | cga | sorry for my english |
| 12:38.36 | Half-Left | cga, Well yer, it needs time to port |
| 12:39.55 | Half-Left | PIM is important for day to day use of desktop for most people I think but thats why it's in 4.1 |
| 12:40.18 | Half-Left | back in a bit |
| 12:40.19 | cga | one question on kdesvn-build. i've modified the buildrc to have evrything included. should i issue , per say, kdesvn-build $module each time? is there a "total" command? |
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| 12:41.05 | cga | Half-Left: 4.1 will be good enough with PIM and Koffice. =) |
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| 12:41.42 | cga | i'm very curios about koffice 2. i always use OOo. |
| 12:42.52 | FiNeX | hi! |
| 12:42.58 | cga | hi FiNeX |
| 12:43.18 | cga | anyone on that kdesvn-build question please? |
| 12:43.22 | FiNeX | hi cga :) |
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| 12:49.00 | J-23 | Why you say i10n module is large? |
| 12:49.23 | J-23 | ah, because it contains all translations |
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| 12:51.38 | pinchartl | hi |
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| 12:53.32 | pinchartl | has anyone got kde4 running well enough with an rv350 using the open-source radeon driver ? if so could you share tips ? I'd like to know if I should keep trying or if it's hopeless |
| 12:54.11 | J-23 | futurewatcher_p.h - can Qt show me the future? :D |
| 12:54.49 | Half-Left | cga, PIM yer, koffice is still in Alpha |
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| 13:02.49 | The_ManU_212 | hi my shortcut for killing a window isnt working anymore: ctrl+alt+esc, whats the reason, i only wanted ksnapshot to open with "print" but it only worked with a shortcut ctrl+print (perhaps because print is set for another option) |
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| 13:06.34 | The_ManU_212 | can it be set in kde? |
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| 13:10.57 | J-23 | What should I use instead of Krita in KDE4? |
| 13:11.35 | _friedrich| | kolourpaint |
| 13:11.41 | J-23 | ROTFL |
| 13:13.08 | GraveDigger | oO |
| 13:13.11 | GraveDigger | was is so funny? |
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| 13:13.54 | The_ManU_212 | J-23: i recommend you the gimp (it uses GTK) |
| 13:14.59 | J-23 | ok |
| 13:15.11 | J-23 | now I'm trying to get my ScanJet 3800 |
| 13:15.13 | J-23 | ahh |
| 13:17.05 | The_ManU_212 | hi my shortcut for killing a window isnt working anymore: ctrl+alt+esc, whats the reason, i only wanted ksnapshot to open with "print" but it only worked with a shortcut ctrl+print (perhaps because print is set for another option) |
| 13:17.33 | The_ManU_212 | and amarok doesnt show in media:/ any partitions (konqueror does) |
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| 13:22.03 | Half-Left | I use GIMP all the time :) |
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| 13:26.40 | snikker | *kaudiocreator |
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| 13:42.38 | Freeaqingme | Is it possible to hide an app from the taskbar? |
| 13:42.52 | Freeaqingme | * from an end-user's point of view, that is |
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| 13:48.30 | Captainchris | hi all |
| 13:48.45 | Captainchris | i've a probleme with libXrender ,http://pastebin.com/m5f71fcdd |
| 13:48.49 | Captainchris | the end of makefile |
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| 13:49.11 | ma3x | how can i make the hotkeys (Fn+F4/F5) working in debian kde? |
| 13:49.59 | buntfalke | depends on your notebook. |
| 13:50.45 | ma3x | fujitsu esprimo v5505 |
| 13:50.55 | ma3x | i couldn't find help anywhere |
| 13:50.59 | ma3x | been searchin for 3 days |
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| 13:51.10 | buntfalke | ma3x: run "xev" (shot for x-events) in a terminal, and type the key combination - if it is recognized (you'll see in the output) then you can use them, otherwise you need special approaches depending on the hardware |
| 13:51.58 | buntfalke | and in case they need such a special approach, and noone yet get around to write that driver, it doesnt work |
| 13:52.41 | ma3x | buntfalke: but it works with ubuntu out of the box |
| 13:52.45 | ma3x | why not with debian? |
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| 13:53.58 | buntfalke | Because debian is not meant to be a we-dont-care-how-ugly-the-technology-under-the-hood-is-as-long-as-it-works(TM) distribution like ubuntu and suse |
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| 13:54.23 | buntfalke | if ubuntu can do it, debian can do it, too. all you need to do is configure your software properly. |
| 13:54.30 | buntfalke | what are the keys meant to be good for? |
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| 13:54.48 | fir3_ | hi |
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| 13:55.25 | pjv | hi if anyone here uses kmplayer, i would appreciatte it, if you could paste me the parameters on the "Recording>ffmpeg" options, on kmplayer please |
| 13:55.26 | fir3_ | someone knows how i can use the kwin 4 composite effects with a nvidia gpu? when i activate the effects nothing happens |
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| 13:58.22 | fir3_ | i'm using debian sid/experimental+kde4.1 beta1+nvidia-legacy 96.43 |
| 13:59.34 | buntfalke | ma3x: from what i could find i a quick search on google, it is supported, and all you need to do is configure it by telling the software you run what to do when you press that |
| 13:59.53 | buntfalke | ma3x: besides - if you dont like debian, noone keeps you from switching back to ubuntu. |
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| 14:00.35 | buntfalke | kcontrol should do sthe trick, once you checked the xserver config is proper |
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| 14:27.26 | hunt0r | I have installed the kde 4.1 beta when I try to enamble composeiting I only see bright and dark rectangles and kwin says: GLXUnsuportedPrivateRequest[GLX+8].... |
| 14:27.31 | hunt0r | any ideas? |
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| 14:30.04 | bbelt16ag | how do I save my setting in kde when I reinstall? |
| 14:30.10 | bbelt16ag | its it .kde .kde3.5 or what? |
| 14:30.23 | bbelt16ag | I wanna save konsole stuff and my panels |
| 14:30.27 | bbelt16ag | helppppp |
| 14:31.13 | GraveDigger | does anyone know when mouse gestures will be available in konqueror in kde4? |
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| 14:34.12 | SSJ_GZ | GraveDigger: Not any time soon, I'm afraid - the developer doesn't have much time on his hands :/ |
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| 14:36.02 | GraveDigger | :( |
| 14:36.05 | GraveDigger | damn |
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| 14:37.37 | SSJ_GZ | GraveDigger: Yeah, it's a shame - I was chatting to him (ages ago) about what he had planned, and it was all pretty exciting. |
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| 14:45.06 | jazka | bbelt16ag: just back up the $KDEHOME folder |
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| 14:48.16 | GraveDigger | SSJ_GZ: *sigh* okay |
| 14:48.17 | GraveDigger | :X |
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| 14:51.13 | falcon3 | are there already kde4 themes available? |
| 14:51.34 | iosz | hi folks!I "updated " to amarok-svn and I get no sound and I was wondering....is still in early developement? |
| 14:51.50 | iosz | or can I do something about it? |
| 14:52.25 | iosz | falcon3, yeah |
| 14:52.44 | GraveDigger | falcon3: not much |
| 14:52.50 | GraveDigger | falcon3: and no usable ones |
| 14:53.32 | iosz | GraveDigger, some for the taskbar few for colors....one could play with those |
| 14:53.55 | Half-Left | Hmm, Krita for KDE4 looks promising, layout is nice |
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| 14:54.59 | GraveDigger | iosz: amarok2-svn works rather nice for me, crashes somewhat often tho |
| 14:55.14 | GraveDigger | iosz: however, i use the xine backend directly and not phonon |
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| 14:56.27 | falcon3 | GraveDigger: that sucks :( |
| 14:56.32 | falcon3 | i really dislike the black one |
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| 14:56.52 | GraveDigger | falcon3: suse has made its own theme which is bright and such |
| 14:56.59 | falcon3 | linky? |
| 14:57.03 | GraveDigger | falcon3: and i guess all other distros, too |
| 14:57.10 | pinotree | GraveDigger: how, given that engines in amarok don't exist anymore since few months? |
| 14:57.11 | falcon3 | kubuntu too? |
| 14:57.14 | GraveDigger | falcon3: but i never found anything related on kde-look.org |
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| 14:57.29 | falcon3 | GraveDigger: i normally check kde-look too |
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| 14:57.31 | iosz | GraveDigger, how did you used xine and not phonon? |
| 14:57.38 | GraveDigger | pinotree: the amarok2-svn snapshot is indeed some months old, yes |
| 14:57.39 | falcon3 | GraveDigger: it's a damn shame |
| 14:58.51 | pjv | anyone here use kmplayer? |
| 15:00.09 | GraveDigger | falcon3: indeed |
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| 15:14.39 | Calum`` | Kubuntu 6.06 running KDE 3.5.2: Has anyone experienced KDE failing to start after filling up the primary partition? I cut it back to about 89% full and can still run it with a console login and 'startx', but can't login through the graphical login screen. Any suggestions welcome! |
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| 15:18.07 | pinotree | ... update your distro! |
| 15:18.46 | Calum`` | I know, I know, but I'm not keen on updating something that's already broken! |
| 15:19.36 | GraveDigger | Calum``: then try a reinstallation |
| 15:21.03 | Calum`` | GraveDigger, that was going to be my next approach - I just wondered if this was a known behaviour - I've noticed a couple of other people have had similar issues after filling the hard disk. |
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| 15:21.21 | Captainchris | hi evrybody |
| 15:21.29 | Captainchris | i've a problem to build kdebase |
| 15:21.29 | GraveDigger | Calum``: well, ubuntu was well known to fail often these days. |
| 15:21.32 | Captainchris | http://pastebin.com/m5f71fcdd |
| 15:22.55 | Calum`` | True - it's run pretty solidly for a couple of years and it's not exactlyfair to expect something to survive having filespace stuffed full of downloaded Dylan bootlegs! |
| 15:23.06 | Calum`` | I'll try a reinstall and see what happens... |
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| 15:30.11 | Captainchris | nnone ideas |
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| 15:31.36 | GraveDigger | Captainchris: yeah well, there is a symbol missing in the linker ... that means, that either your system lacks packages (and therefor files) that are required |
| 15:31.59 | Captainchris | which symbol ? |
| 15:32.05 | GraveDigger | Captainchris: or the sources have an error, but that case is ... well... less probably |
| 15:32.24 | GraveDigger | /home/captainchris/Pack/KDE4/kdebase-4.0.5/apps/konsole/src/Part.cpp:134: undefined reference to `XRenderFindVisualFormat' |
| 15:32.39 | GraveDigger | xrender ... sounds like either your xorg-installation is too old |
| 15:32.44 | GraveDigger | or not fully installed |
| 15:32.51 | Captainchris | is not a missing librairie ? |
| 15:33.01 | GraveDigger | it may be a missing library |
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| 15:33.09 | Captainchris | libxrendre is for xorg7.3 |
| 15:33.13 | Captainchris | is uptodate |
| 15:33.31 | GraveDigger | have you got libxcb installed? |
| 15:33.35 | Captainchris | yes |
| 15:33.49 | Captainchris | but i've downloaded xrender0.8.3 |
| 15:34.45 | Captainchris | and when i build it say : render. is too old.i've build Mesalib, xrender ./configure work fine but when i type make doesn't work |
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| 15:35.10 | Captainchris | error in the declaratrion picture |
| 15:36.02 | GraveDigger | hmmm okay, that symbol is indeed part of libxrender |
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| 15:36.43 | GraveDigger | 0.9.4 ... here, too |
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| 15:37.25 | annma | Captainchris: still your problem??? |
| 15:37.33 | annma | is it kdebase? |
| 15:37.39 | Captainchris | yes |
| 15:38.02 | Captainchris | http://pastebin.com/m5f71fcdd the end of makefile |
| 15:38.12 | Captainchris | build with libXrender |
| 15:38.46 | annma | can you cd to your kdebase build dir |
| 15:38.53 | annma | then rm CMakeCache.txt |
| 15:39.08 | annma | run cmake with whatever options you use |
| 15:39.19 | annma | pastebin the whole output |
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| 15:41.06 | GraveDigger | Captainchris: that symbol is properly available in "my" libXrender here, also version 0.9.4 .. you have built it yourself? well, looks like you did something wrong then. try installing libXrender from your distribution |
| 15:42.01 | Captainchris | yes |
| 15:42.09 | annma | let's see the cmake output Captainchris |
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| 15:43.08 | leitz | Need help bad! |
| 15:43.17 | Captainchris | same eror , with remove CMakecache |
| 15:43.25 | jazka | leitz, go ahead, and state your question then |
| 15:43.27 | GraveDigger | leitz: with what? |
| 15:43.32 | leitz | I loaded Fedora Core 9 and default KDE install. |
| 15:43.49 | annma | Captainchris: I said I'd like the cmake output |
| 15:44.12 | leitz | The desktop changes in size, has a decidedly gnomish footprint logo, and won't let me force the 1024x768 size I want. |
| 15:44.20 | annma | Captainchris: pastebin the cmake output please after yu rm CMakeCache.txt |
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| 15:44.40 | annma | leitz: the size is set by xorg.conf |
| 15:44.57 | annma | gnomish footprint shows we're friends |
| 15:45.01 | Captainchris | yes wait it built |
| 15:45.04 | leitz | My *assumption* is that are are KDE configs I don't know about, and I'm wondering if, since I copied in my old ${HOME}, that there may be Gnome configs coausing an issue. |
| 15:45.08 | annma | Captainchris: cmake is NOT make |
| 15:45.17 | Captainchris | ok |
| 15:45.20 | annma | Captainchris: you said you do it manually |
| 15:45.26 | annma | you look like you don't |
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| 15:46.32 | leitz | annma--Set mode on /etc/X11/xorg.conf, only have one mode line: Modes "1024x768" |
| 15:46.47 | leitz | Hmm...no videoram line though... |
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| 15:48.16 | leitz | And I can assure you the screen I'm seeing is not 1024x768. :) |
| 15:49.00 | Captainchris | annma, http://pastebin.com/m6394fcd7 |
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| 15:49.59 | GraveDigger | Captainchris: /home/captainchris/Pack/KDE4/kdebase-4.0.5/apps/konsole/src/Part.cpp:51:36: error: X11/extensions/Xrender.h: No such file or directory |
| 15:50.03 | GraveDigger | that's bad |
| 15:50.17 | Captainchris | yes , i've remove libXrender |
| 15:50.21 | Captainchris | wait i reinstall |
| 15:50.26 | GraveDigger | oO |
| 15:50.29 | SSJ_GZ | Er |
| 15:50.48 | GraveDigger | /* no comment */ |
| 15:50.50 | leitz | And if I try to change the display it kicks into a much uglier screen and won't let me "Apply" anything but 800x600. |
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| 15:51.25 | annma | Captainchris: X11/extensions/Xrender.h |
| 15:51.29 | annma | find that file |
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| 15:51.43 | Captainchris | no , before i've remove libXrender |
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| 15:52.21 | GraveDigger | yeah well, if building WITH fails before it is not gonna succeed WITHOUT afterwards |
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| 15:54.21 | leitz | Actually, even trying to edit the display removed the task bar at the bottom... |
| 15:55.03 | leitz | How do I find the amount of video ram? |
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| 15:55.31 | Captainchris | http://pastebin.com/m4b96da94 |
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| 15:58.05 | GraveDigger | Captainchris: okay, again, you are lacking the findvisual-symbol in your xrender file |
| 15:58.59 | Captainchris | it apperad in libXrender 3.2 |
| 15:59.38 | annma | what distro is it? |
| 16:00.10 | Captainchris | slack 12.1 |
| 16:00.17 | Captainchris | but i've build xorg manually |
| 16:00.20 | annma | did you ask them about this? |
| 16:00.22 | Captainchris | 0 |
| 16:00.29 | Captainchris | i 've build Xorg7.3 |
| 16:00.31 | annma | why? |
| 16:00.38 | Captainchris | for see |
| 16:00.42 | Captainchris | for fun |
| 16:00.55 | leitz | Ah, found the videoram: Detected total video RAM=16384K, accessible=65536K |
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| 16:02.27 | GraveDigger | Captainchris: well, apparently that was a bad idea |
| 16:03.03 | annma | I am bothered why xrender is not detected as missing and then needed though |
| 16:04.06 | GraveDigger | annma: probably built without certain "features"... libXrender.so seems to exist, so does its header file |
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| 16:04.11 | GraveDigger | *seems* of course |
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| 16:05.03 | annma | GraveDigger: when he removed it though |
| 16:05.09 | Captainchris | but when i installed mesalib, no XrenderFindFormat appeared but an another error when declared picture |
| 16:05.13 | GraveDigger | annma: he said he reinstalled it |
| 16:05.29 | annma | GraveDigger: at a time it was not there but I saw the cmake output |
| 16:05.34 | GraveDigger | Captainchris: what does nm /usr/lib/libXrender.so | grep FindVisual output? |
| 16:05.37 | annma | maybe the cache was not cleared |
| 16:05.52 | GraveDigger | annma: he posted another cmake output after he reinstalled |
| 16:06.03 | GraveDigger | annma: http://pastebin.com/m4b96da94 iirc |
| 16:06.08 | annma | yes but my point is another one |
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| 16:06.20 | annma | GraveDigger: I am talking in general, not about his case |
| 16:06.22 | GraveDigger | cache not cleared? hmmm |
| 16:06.24 | GraveDigger | good point |
| 16:06.32 | annma | I am wondering if the xrender check is properly done |
| 16:06.37 | GraveDigger | Captainchris: run ldconfig |
| 16:06.49 | GraveDigger | annma: ah okay... hmm, well, i dont know |
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| 16:07.01 | GraveDigger | Captainchris: what does nm /usr/lib/libXrender.so | grep FindVisual output to you? |
| 16:07.06 | Captainchris | wait |
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| 16:07.17 | PadreBananas | hi |
| 16:07.42 | PadreBananas | please i have some problems with konqueror rendering under qt4.4 and kde 4.1b |
| 16:07.50 | PadreBananas | my eyes are burning! |
| 16:07.51 | PadreBananas | :( |
| 16:09.15 | leitz | Be back after a refresh... |
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| 16:09.45 | Captainchris | nm .... print 00006b65 XRenderFindVisualFormat |
| 16:10.11 | GraveDigger | oh |
| 16:10.19 | Captainchris | i'ts crazy |
| 16:10.59 | GraveDigger | your "manual" xorg installation was also done with prefix /usr, right? |
| 16:11.24 | GraveDigger | not that we check different files now but those, that your kde sources use |
| 16:11.25 | Captainchris | yes |
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| 16:12.28 | GraveDigger | okay, let me see it's header: grep FindVisual /usr/include/X11/extensions/Xrender.h |
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| 16:13.06 | PadreBananas | bye |
| 16:14.08 | Captainchris | XRenderVisualFormat (Display *dpy, _Xconst Visual *visual) |
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| 16:15.10 | GraveDigger | hmmmmmmm |
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| 16:15.25 | GraveDigger | yeah well, the api is somewhat stable |
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| 16:16.55 | GraveDigger | Captainchris: well, i am out of ideas. |
| 16:17.04 | GraveDigger | Captainchris: as said: get xorg from your distribution and try again |
| 16:17.22 | purpleposeidon | It's taking me so long to compile and build each module, I'm afraid that they will be out of sync with eachother! :O |
| 16:17.34 | Captainchris | what your libXrender version 's ? |
| 16:17.41 | GraveDigger | Captainchris: and of course, update your library cache after each lib installed using ldconfig |
| 16:17.46 | GraveDigger | Captainchris: 0.9.4 |
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| 16:18.42 | Captainchris | same |
| 16:18.43 | HS^^ | anyone has screenshots of kde 4.1 beta? |
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| 16:19.05 | annma | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.23 | HS^^ | internet is too slow here for youtube |
| 16:19.35 | GraveDigger | HS^^: but planetKDE is not |
| 16:19.41 | GraveDigger | gnaa... |
| 16:19.51 | GraveDigger | HS^^: but not for planetKDE i meant -.- |
| 16:20.11 | annma | http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.1-beta1.php HS^^ |
| 16:21.49 | bbelt16ag | jazka: what's the $KDEHOME?>? |
| 16:22.10 | jazka | when you echo $KDEHOME , it should return the path |
| 16:22.29 | jazka | for example $HOME/.kde |
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| 16:24.02 | bbelt16ag | nothing.. |
| 16:24.10 | jazka | what distro are you using? |
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| 16:25.02 | jazka | you said you have .kde and kde3.5 , I think .kde is a symlink to .kde3.5 or the other way |
| 16:25.53 | bbelt16ag | sabayon |
| 16:26.18 | bbelt16ag | yes kde goes to kde3.5 |
| 16:26.22 | bbelt16ag | so I guess its kde3.5? |
| 16:26.25 | jazka | yes |
| 16:26.29 | jazka | so it's same as on Gentoo |
| 16:26.30 | jazka | the |
| 16:26.38 | bbelt16ag | ok then what's the proper way to load it back on a new install |
| 16:26.54 | jazka | just backup the folder, and copy it back after installation |
| 16:26.58 | bbelt16ag | I have just a cp-ARE kde3.5 /home/$user/ |
| 16:27.06 | bbelt16ag | ... |
| 16:27.08 | bbelt16ag | it never works |
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| 16:27.32 | jazka | and you need to make the symlink too, to .kde I think |
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| 16:27.43 | jazka | works for me |
| 16:27.46 | jazka | I've done it many times |
| 16:27.59 | jazka | and I have home on a seperate partition anyway |
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| 16:31.27 | J-23 | hmm |
| 16:31.27 | Kraplax | hey, is there anyone who ever used Windows? )) |
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| 16:31.39 | GraveDigger | unlikely |
| 16:31.54 | thiago_home | no |
| 16:32.04 | J-23 | I've installed qt-copy to ~/qt-copy, but running cmakekde in kde-libs returns "CMake Error: The installed Qt version 4.3.5 is too old, at least version 4.4.0 is required" |
| 16:32.08 | Kraplax | oh.. |
| 16:32.13 | J-23 | Kraplax: I use Windows sometimes |
| 16:32.25 | thiago_home | J-23: remove your system's 4.3.5 development files |
| 16:32.37 | J-23 | thiago_home: :/ |
| 16:32.44 | Kraplax | J-23: wwhen you press PrintScreen button - is cursor captured on the screenshot? |
| 16:32.57 | J-23 | Kraplax: I don't have Windows now :/ |
| 16:33.25 | Kraplax | J-23: well, i thought you might remember |
| 16:33.37 | AlexElliott | J-23: is this the techbase kde-devel installation? |
| 16:33.53 | J-23 | AlexElliott: probably yes :D |
| 16:34.17 | AlexElliott | J-23: if so, do "source ~/.bashrc" again, when check "which qmake" |
| 16:34.21 | AlexElliott | then* |
| 16:34.48 | J-23 | it returned ~/qt-copy/bin/qmake |
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| 16:34.58 | AlexElliott | Ok, try cmakekde again |
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| 16:35.17 | J-23 | it runned. |
| 16:35.26 | J-23 | how long should it compile? |
| 16:35.35 | AlexElliott | Depends on the CPU, quite a long time :p |
| 16:35.44 | AlexElliott | Well, libs isn't too bad |
| 16:36.31 | J-23 | oh |
| 16:36.52 | J-23 | "make: *** Not given objects and makefile not found. Stopping." |
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| 16:38.28 | aleksanteri | is it possible to have a superkaramba widget have it sensor program run once in x minutes so that it can update it's value? |
| 16:39.02 | J-23 | aleksanteri: of course it is |
| 16:39.11 | aleksanteri | heh thought so |
| 16:39.14 | aleksanteri | the thing is: how? |
| 16:39.16 | J-23 | i think it is* |
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| 16:39.32 | J-23 | I never programmed SuperKaramba widgets |
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| 16:40.12 | dissociative | I have a problem I have kde 3.5.9 and konqueror crashes everytime that I try to run it |
| 16:40.56 | dissociative | the terminal only says this: kbuildsycoca running... |
| 16:40.56 | dissociative | KCrash: Application 'konqueror' crashing... |
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| 16:51.43 | MirjA | greetings i tried everything to run kde4 but nothing helps, kde4 hangs and returns me to the console without any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:51.49 | MirjA | using archlinux |
| 16:51.54 | kaktuspalme | kde4 has still this dns bug with the fritzboxes |
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| 16:52.18 | kaktuspalme | :( |
| 16:52.30 | jazka | MirjA: using kdm? did you check /var/log/kdm.log |
| 16:52.58 | MirjA | no just from console and yes i tried using kdm as welll but it doesnt help |
| 16:53.54 | jazka | with startkde? |
| 16:54.00 | MirjA | yes |
| 16:54.15 | MirjA | and amazingly it doesnt shows anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:54.29 | jazka | how about on the console? |
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| 16:55.27 | MirjA | nothing much, log in Xorg.0.log is here: http://pastebin.com/m787bd24a |
| 16:56.33 | MirjA | and log from kdm.log is here: http://pastebin.com/m45e27b9 |
| 16:56.38 | jazka | I wonder if it tries to enable the desktop effects and fails |
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| 16:57.37 | MirjA | and to add to the confusion, kde3 does the same |
| 16:57.53 | jazka | krootimage(3412) KBackgroundRenderer::doWallpaper: failed to load wallpaper "/opt/kde/share/wallpapers/arch-default-background.svg" |
| 16:57.56 | jazka | AUDIT: Sat Jun 14 07:25:25 2008: 3169 X: client 5 rejected from local host (uid 0) |
| 16:57.58 | MirjA | and to add more to the confusion, i used to use kde3 like 8-9 months ago |
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| 16:58.55 | MirjA | what does that mean? |
| 16:58.55 | jazka | are you trying to login as root? |
| 16:58.56 | MirjA | damn nooo |
| 16:58.56 | MirjA | i tried to add another user and tried with that one |
| 16:58.58 | MirjA | still the same |
| 16:59.45 | MirjA | currently using fluxbox, maybe i need to uninstall flux before trying? what do you think |
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| 16:59.55 | jazka | shouldn't matter |
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| 17:01.14 | MirjA | i see this nice console with kde 4:devil blinking and all of a sudden it vanishes and returns me to the console :( |
| 17:01.57 | jazka | hmm hmm |
| 17:04.43 | jazka | don't know if that wallpaper error is fatal |
| 17:04.57 | jazka | but that X: client x rejected is more suspicious |
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| 17:08.14 | MirjA | jazka, amazingly i restarted and kde3 is working :-s |
| 17:08.36 | MirjA | its like i dont have a normal computer here, its kinda GHOST COMPUTER :/ |
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| 17:09.22 | Shadow_Master | it could easily be an issue on your x server |
| 17:09.49 | MirjA | umm so where should i go to solve that issue |
| 17:09.51 | MirjA | :-/ |
| 17:09.52 | jazka | yea, like kde4 tries to enable the desktop effects and your driver is broken |
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| 17:10.07 | Shadow_Master | I have mine configured to use a crappy driver that sometimes crashes it not to be able to reinit x until the whole system restarts |
| 17:10.17 | jazka | hmm, i don't remember the command to disable them |
| 17:10.42 | MirjA | i have xf86-video-ati for my at radeon card |
| 17:10.51 | MirjA | should i use vesa ? |
| 17:11.00 | jazka | MirjA: also, what does ~/.xsession-erros say? |
| 17:11.03 | jazka | try with vesa yes |
| 17:11.12 | jazka | if it works, then something wrong with the radeon driver |
| 17:11.26 | Shadow_Master | or your video card :p |
| 17:11.34 | jazka | .xsession-errors* |
| 17:11.40 | MirjA | kkk, i'll try that one, but let me tell you about xsesions error log |
| 17:11.44 | Shadow_Master | (unlikely, but it happens every once in a while) |
| 17:11.59 | jazka | I think my card is going to break soon, I see weird dots around the screen |
| 17:12.15 | jazka | not dead pixels |
| 17:12.30 | MirjA | wowww there are hell lot of lines in there, lemme pastebin it |
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| 17:15.05 | Nyle | hi |
| 17:15.32 | MirjA | jazka, that file is too big for pastebin.com :/ |
| 17:15.39 | Nyle | in kcontrol > appearance > Fonts > anti alias is diabled ( I want to enable font smoothing, but its greyd out) |
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| 17:16.24 | jazka | MirjA: can you make a txt file and send it through irc or so? well, try the vesa driver first |
| 17:19.08 | MirjA | jazka, accept the transfer |
| 17:19.17 | jazka | 20:18:58 [kde] DCC SEND from MirjA [0.0.0.199 port 0]: txt.txt [934kB] |
| 17:19.20 | jazka | not going to work :) |
| 17:19.25 | MirjA | why :/ |
| 17:19.29 | jazka | look at the ip, and port |
| 17:19.37 | jazka | 20:19:31 [kde] DCC receiving file txt.txt from MirjA [130.239.18.172 port 52193] |
| 17:19.39 | jazka | oh it works |
| 17:19.40 | jazka | weird |
| 17:19.41 | MirjA | :P |
| 17:20.02 | MirjA | and this file has to do something with the problem i bet |
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| 17:20.48 | jazka | http://oma.b0xi.net:8000/xsession.txt , there, so everyone can see it |
| 17:21.51 | Shadow_Master | ah, dang |
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| 17:26.39 | Krooks | hello |
| 17:26.54 | Krooks | wo |
| 17:26.58 | Krooks | æ |
| 17:27.13 | Krooks | Can anyone see my chinese character ? |
| 17:27.26 | Sput | can |
| 17:27.38 | MirjA | Krooks, yes |
| 17:27.40 | MirjA | i can |
| 17:27.51 | Krooks | nice |
| 17:27.52 | Shadow_Master | I can |
| 17:28.13 | Krooks | ok just checking. If anyone is curious, I'm using scim. |
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| 17:30.45 | MirjA | jazka, did you get anything |
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| 17:39.25 | MirjA | jazka, did you got anything =( |
| 17:40.16 | jazka | ah, nope :| |
| 17:41.24 | jazka | so did you try with vesa? |
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| 17:42.13 | MirjA | xorg aint creating a file :| |
| 17:43.57 | MirjA | i ran xorgconfig and configured it, but when it asks about writing the file to xorg.conf and i said yes to it, it doesnt do anything. |
| 17:44.13 | jazka | did you run it as root? |
| 17:44.29 | MirjA | yes:( |
| 17:44.32 | jazka | well, you can just open the file on a text editor and change the driver to vesa |
| 17:44.36 | MirjA | weird but true |
| 17:44.56 | jazka | you should see Driver "radeon" somewhere there |
| 17:45.00 | MirjA | i'll try that |
| 17:45.56 | mwilliams | helo |
| 17:46.04 | mwilliams | anyone it the room |
| 17:46.10 | jazka | pretty many |
| 17:46.23 | Dj_Offset | 352 to be exact |
| 17:46.33 | mwilliams | I have problem for pluging |
| 17:47.07 | jazka | be more specific |
| 17:47.08 | mwilliams | am using mozila and i need to watch online video |
| 17:47.14 | jazka | mwilliams: distro? |
| 17:47.22 | mwilliams | fedora 9 |
| 17:47.24 | jazka | it's not a kde issue :) |
| 17:47.26 | jazka | #fedora |
| 17:48.20 | mwilliams | i thought this room solve most issue in linux |
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| 17:48.53 | mwilliams | but AM IN kde enviroment |
| 17:49.21 | jazka | but it doesn't matter, mozilla behaves the same on every environment |
| 17:49.32 | jazka | since it's not a kde app |
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| 17:50.18 | mwilliams | now am using konqure |
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| 17:51.05 | mwilliams | now am using konqueror |
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| 17:51.22 | jazka | but you still didn't say what's the exact problem |
| 17:51.30 | zakm | is kde svn .. 4.1 "beta" .. or 4.0.x ? |
| 17:51.51 | jazka | both, trunk is kde 4.1 |
| 17:52.13 | zakm | im about to install a repo ( archlinux ) and it said kde svn |
| 17:52.18 | mwilliams | my konqueror complain of plugin when i try to watch online video and listen to online radio |
| 17:52.23 | jazka | zakm: it's probably 4.1 |
| 17:52.29 | zakm | k :D |
| 17:52.41 | zakm | i tried to do the kde svn on gentoo and my whole linux install messed |
| 17:52.50 | zakm | 4.1 looks so cool :D |
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| 17:53.05 | GraveDigger | it just lacks khotkeys and mouse gestures :( |
| 17:53.12 | zakm | is the svn 4.1 faster than 4.0.5? performance wise |
| 17:53.12 | jazka | did you use the #genkdesvn overlay or? |
| 17:53.16 | jazka | zakm: yes |
| 17:53.43 | zakm | they said to use paludis and then it broke my gentoo install. so im downloading the newest arch disc now to insstall and use some kde svn repo . it said daily updates |
| 17:53.50 | zakm | sweet |
| 17:53.53 | zakm | significantly? |
| 17:54.11 | jazka | well, I've been using the trunk version since beginning |
| 17:54.16 | mwilliams | can anyone help me? my konqueror complain of plugin when i try to watch online video and listen to online radio |
| 17:54.26 | zakm | wow |
| 17:54.38 | jazka | I mean, since around January |
| 17:54.50 | jazka | and it's gotten faster |
| 17:54.51 | zakm | i only got into the kde 4 hype last week. for some reason i didnt like the kde4 look before than and stayed with 3.5.9 and lower |
| 17:55.15 | zakm | now i love the kde4 look :D |
| 17:55.21 | jazka | me too |
| 17:55.56 | zakm | in 4.0.5 i even used compiz and got an emerald theme identical to the normal kde4 window border |
| 17:56.25 | zakm | hows konqeruror in svn on flash playback? |
| 17:56.31 | zakm | (32bit) |
| 17:57.01 | jazka | hmm haven't tried, I use the kmplayer 'workaround' |
| 17:57.19 | zakm | what does that do? |
| 17:57.29 | jazka | it embeds kmplayer to show the flash content |
| 17:57.37 | jazka | since it supports the plugin |
| 17:57.40 | jazka | latest one I mean |
| 17:57.46 | Sput | zakm: the kdesvn-portage overlay on gentoo works fine with portage and does not trash your system, btw :) |
| 17:57.58 | jazka | paludis doesn't trash it either :) |
| 17:58.05 | zakm | paludis crashed it ok |
| 17:58.10 | zakm | i dont know how ro why but it did |
| 17:58.10 | Sput | #gentoo-kde4-live if you should still be interested |
| 17:58.14 | zakm | im not complaining im just saying |
| 17:58.23 | zakm | i was at #genkdesvn |
| 17:58.33 | zakm | and did what they said.. and bam my system broke |
| 17:58.42 | Rioting_pacifist | if i want to use moonlight do i need to compile it with gtk dependancies for it to look nice in kde? |
| 17:59.02 | zakm | hey if i use kmplayer for flash.. does that mean the cpu usage is like nothing? |
| 17:59.07 | zakm | cause its not flash player? |
| 17:59.41 | jazka | well, it's using the adobes plugin, so I think it's the same |
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| 18:00.24 | zakm | :( |
| 18:00.29 | zakm | flash cpu usage is so high and my pc sucks |
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| 18:01.10 | Rioting_pacifist | jazka: surely if hes playing them in kmplayer it will use the gstreamer player which means that the CPU usage doesnt have to be as high as adobe |
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| 18:01.57 | Rioting_pacifist | zakm: its probably going to be lower but not zero as their is some difficult in decoding the format |
| 18:02.21 | zakm | yeah |
| 18:02.22 | zakm | i mean like |
| 18:02.45 | zakm | would it be the same as playing the flv in mplayer .. or is it like playing flash.. but kmplayer just makes flash work in konqeruro? |
| 18:04.06 | Rioting_pacifist | dunno, only one way to find out |
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| 18:09.24 | Half-Left | Nice bug, every time I launch Konqueror the address bar gets smaller and smaller |
| 18:09.44 | Half-Left | wonders if it's been reported |
| 18:10.22 | Kraplax | shorter or smaller? )) |
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| 18:11.33 | angasule | wooly poop, dragon player can't play streams? :/ |
| 18:12.09 | Half-Left | smaller |
| 18:12.30 | Half-Left | shorter, it goes towards the right hand size |
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| 18:14.03 | jazka | seems to do so, yes :) |
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| 18:15.49 | jazka | angasule: it can, if you open a stream with it, from konqueror or so |
| 18:15.52 | jazka | afaik |
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| 18:19.00 | verus | hello, is there any way to restart plasma, especially the taskbar? |
| 18:19.11 | jazka | kquitapp plasma;plasma & |
| 18:19.39 | verus | thank you!!! |
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| 18:21.32 | angasule | jazka: I'm having a problem with konversation (which is kde3) not opening links properly, so it's a bit of a PITA |
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| 18:22.13 | Sho_ | angasule: What problem? |
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| 18:22.47 | angasule | Sho_: I click on links, and it always ask with which app should it open 'em |
| 18:23.22 | angasule | anyway, not a big issue, I'm happy to wait till konversation for kde4 :) |
| 18:23.42 | Sho_ | angasule: Then you've probably set the KDE default browser to "Open in an application based on the contents of the URL" and have no associated app for the type |
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| 18:24.42 | jc-denton | dolphin opens every file when i just click on it |
| 18:24.52 | jc-denton | but i want that it does this only when double clicking on it |
| 18:24.59 | jc-denton | how can i change this behavior? |
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| 18:25.10 | jc-denton | similar to mac/windows/gnome.. |
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| 18:25.43 | Half-Left | in the control center under keyboard and mouse |
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| 18:25.44 | Sho_ | jc-denton: System Settings -> Mouse -> Use double-click ... |
| 18:26.14 | annma | single click is default, you can set it to double click |
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| 18:40.14 | jc-denton | Sho_: thx |
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| 18:59.58 | lsemple | how do you get rid of that split background color thing when listing files in dolphin ? |
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| 19:09.50 | lsemple | how come in every kde application (konversation, konqueror, dolphin) whereever a list of files or something (users in konqueror) is displayed, it uses two alternating background colors (mine, it goes black white black white ect), I am trying to change this but I dont know how |
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| 19:10.54 | Sho_ | lsemple: See "Alternate Background" in the color scheme prefs in KControl |
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| 19:18.46 | lsemple | wow thanks ! |
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| 19:24.03 | purpleposeidon | sweet! first kde4 app! |
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| 19:25.43 | murrant | mmm, http://digg.com/linux_unix/KDE_4_1_FolderView_Awesome_ways_to_access_your_files |
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| 19:32.11 | _ZeuZ_ | is there any memory use comparation between KDE 3.5.9 and 4.1/4.0 ? |
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| 19:34.29 | Half-Left | folderview plasma is awesome |
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| 19:36.52 | plovs__ | can konversation do dcc copying to xchat? |
| 19:37.02 | plovs__ | xchat -> xchat is ok |
| 19:37.05 | Sho_ | of course |
| 19:37.13 | Sho_ | DCC is DCC |
| 19:37.39 | plovs__ | hmm, let's try again to copy something to myself :-) |
| 19:37.43 | Sho_ | if you have problems, it's most likely network settings (port forwards, etc.) |
| 19:37.55 | Sho_ | but I need to go now, sorry - if you need help, see #konversation |
| 19:38.05 | plovs__ | tnx |
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| 19:53.40 | Pollywog | If I compile kdepimlibs why is there no 'make install' command? |
| 19:53.48 | Pollywog | from svn |
| 19:54.05 | annma | Pollywog: pardon? |
| 19:54.12 | Pollywog | I already installed kdelibs |
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| 19:54.33 | Pollywog | then I compiled kdepimlibs as the tutorial suggests |
| 19:54.41 | Pollywog | using cmakekde |
| 19:54.52 | annma | cmakekde does the make install |
| 19:54.58 | Pollywog | ahh thanks |
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| 19:56.37 | Half-Left | wishes Amarok2 would magically be something near done right now |
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| 19:58.11 | BlueG | what is the best way to sync my local kmail folders between two desktops? both have part of the mail, and I want them both to have all of it |
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| 20:04.57 | RiotingPacifist | wishs that Amarok2 didnt look like such a horrible WMP/Itunes wanna be |
| 20:06.03 | Half-Left | It looks nothing like itunes |
| 20:06.22 | Half-Left | iTunes is overrated |
| 20:07.33 | RiotingPacifist | Itunes sucks to say the least, perhaps not an Itunes wanna be but it seams like a huge change from amarok 1.5 which is fairly good, id rather just have amarok 1.5 + tabs tbh, but meh |
| 20:08.06 | sandsmark | well, I guess it will be pretty configurable, so =) |
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| 20:10.32 | Half-Left | I like how you can add plasmoids to it |
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| 20:13.57 | sandsmark | ^_^ |
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| 20:14.55 | Nyle | you are the man |
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| 20:39.36 | edge | i made a mistake and turned on desktop effects on kde4 and it wont start any more, i can't find the config to undo it |
| 20:41.11 | annma | edge: in kwinrc |
| 20:41.20 | annma | backup this config file |
| 20:41.43 | edge | annma - where can i find this file |
| 20:41.56 | annma | $KDEHOME/share/config |
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| 20:43.24 | sandsmark | $KDEHOME is probably a .kde folder in your homefolder |
| 20:43.36 | sandsmark | (or .kdemod for kdemod4 on arch linux =) |
| 20:43.47 | annma | .kde4 more probably |
| 20:43.55 | annma | but ask your distro edge |
| 20:43.57 | sandsmark | annma: depends on the distro |
| 20:43.59 | sandsmark | ^^ |
| 20:44.15 | annma | that's why I said $KDEHOME |
| 20:44.24 | annma | which distro uses .kde for KDE4? |
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| 20:45.10 | sandsmark | annma: the automatically built svn-trunk packages for Arch Linux is the only one I _know_ does it =) |
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| 20:45.46 | annma | where do their kde3 settings get stored then? |
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| 20:48.02 | pedepy3 | why iz konqueror so ass slow ! >:( |
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| 20:48.26 | _lemma | pedepy3: slow in what sense? |
| 20:48.36 | _lemma | pedepy3: and which version? |
| 20:48.51 | sandsmark | konqueror is the speediest browser here |
| 20:49.02 | sandsmark | even beats opera, which in turn beats pretty much anything =) |
| 20:49.34 | sandsmark | annma: the maintainer of those packages states pretty clearly that using his packages probably won't work well on a system with KDE 3 installed =) |
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| 20:49.39 | Dj_Offset | sandsmark: define speedy :) |
| 20:49.57 | sandsmark | Dj_Offset: starts quick, renders pages pretty much immediately, etc. |
| 20:50.08 | sandsmark | (I've got a 100MBit connection =) |
| 20:50.19 | Dj_Offset | hehe |
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| 20:58.13 | _ZeuZ_ | sandsmark, what's your provider? |
| 20:59.08 | _ZeuZ_ | because 100mbps seems more like the default speed of base 10/100 LAN cards |
| 20:59.08 | sandsmark | _ZeuZ_: UNINETT |
| 20:59.08 | sandsmark | =P |
| 20:59.08 | sandsmark | I work for them |
| 20:59.11 | sandsmark | _ZeuZ_: http://www.uninett.no/index.en.html |
| 20:59.55 | sandsmark | so yeah, there's really a 10GBit connection out of here, but my NIC is just 100MBit |
| 21:00.24 | _ZeuZ_ | so your maximum usable speed is (1024*100)/8 == 24mb/s |
| 21:01.00 | sandsmark | megabyte per second, yes |
| 21:01.13 | sandsmark | I usually get just ~15, though, because of jitter and stuff |
| 21:01.20 | sandsmark | (but this is what I'm working on this summer, btw =) |
| 21:01.56 | DanielW | it is more like 12,5 megabyte per socond |
| 21:01.59 | DanielW | econd |
| 21:02.03 | DanielW | s |
| 21:02.14 | _ZeuZ_ | I can imagine that pretty much at least 5gbps of their bandwidth is constantly used |
| 21:02.57 | DanielW | and with tcp and other protocol overhead you are at about 8 mb per second on a 100 mbit connection |
| 21:03.00 | DanielW | 8.9 |
| 21:03.03 | DanielW | 8-9 |
| 21:03.12 | sandsmark | DanielW: no, I was talking measured bandwidth |
| 21:03.20 | _ZeuZ_ | I would rather say the ammount you hitted first DanielW |
| 21:03.21 | sandsmark | http://fou1.uninett.no:7123/ is what I'm working on, btw |
| 21:03.35 | sandsmark | (bandwidth measurement/diagnostics) |
| 21:04.38 | DanielW | _ZeuZ_: it is 12.5 megabyte in theory but in real world after all overhead you at about 9 mb real useable bandwith for data |
| 21:04.49 | _ZeuZ_ | if you have it well shaped, you can actually get up to 11 or so |
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| 21:06.12 | DanielW | _ZeuZ_: ok but not with http or sftp |
| 21:06.45 | sandsmark | yes |
| 21:07.01 | sandsmark | _ZeuZ_: I have 11 megabyte/s and upwards on average over sftp |
| 21:07.53 | sandsmark | ok, now http://fou1.uninett.no:7123/ works again =P |
| 21:08.18 | BlueG | Is there a way to merge kopete logs? |
| 21:08.25 | sandsmark | BlueG: cat? =) |
| 21:09.07 | BlueG | sandsmark: does that work? Even if they cover overlapping time periods where the same accounts where accessed from two different machines? |
| 21:09.17 | sandsmark | BlueG: ah, probably not |
| 21:09.30 | sandsmark | you could use 'sort' afterwards, though |
| 21:09.37 | sandsmark | then I don't know |
| 21:09.38 | sandsmark | =) |
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| 21:11.18 | _ZeuZ_ | DanielW, well, with 3mbps approx I reach a constant prettuy much located under the 2.9mbps |
| 21:11.51 | BlueG | cat does work for creating chained ogg files, though, which is pretty cool |
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| 21:14.07 | BlueG | does kopete support encrypted logs, or is it planned? |
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| 21:16.21 | sandsmark | encrypt your homedir if you're afraid of people reading them? |
| 21:16.42 | sandsmark | as they are supposed to be indexed by nepomuk and whatnot, encrypthing them would be a bad idea, imho :P |
| 21:17.05 | thiago_home | besides, if someone has access to your home dir, they probably can read kopete's memory anyways |
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| 21:20.07 | sandsmark | why not encrypt it in-memory as well, then?! =D |
| 21:20.32 | sandsmark | or just don't mess with whoever has root =) |
| 21:21.42 | sandsmark | and regarding that, sysguard for KDE 4 and it's snooping on stdin/stdout is very, very awesome =) |
| 21:22.44 | purpleposeidon | OMG, kde4 is so AMAZING |
| 21:23.12 | fde_ | ~test |
| 21:23.12 | apt | Failed! |
| 21:23.13 | purpleposeidon | sysguard can read other program's stdio? :O |
| 21:23.17 | purpleposeidon | ~fail |
| 21:23.18 | apt | Sorry, purpleposeidon, you have failed. |
| 21:23.25 | purpleposeidon | ~study |
| 21:23.32 | sandsmark | purpleposeidon: yes |
| 21:23.38 | fde_ | ~lart purpleposeidon |
| 21:23.38 | apt | slaps purpleposeidon upside the head with a wet fish |
| 21:23.58 | purpleposeidon | Pretty hot. Anyways, I must play with it later, kde4 == so totally worth the effort |
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| 21:25.18 | zakk_ | hi i have kde4.1 svn and i accidently moved my taskbar to the top. how do i put it back to bottom? |
| 21:25.20 | Sanitoeter | hey, are there some tricks to improve khtmls performance? Or can I at least increase the time after which konquerors javascript engine asks whether to stop a script or keep it running? |
| 21:25.30 | Sanitoeter | *in kde3 |
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| 21:26.08 | sandsmark | zakk_: click the walnut (the icon to the right), and drag the thingy that pops up to the bottom |
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| 21:26.17 | jadrian | if you have the contents of a dvd in the hard drive |
| 21:26.25 | jadrian | how do you play it with kaffeine? |
| 21:26.34 | zakk_ | sandsmark: ah worked.. thank you!!!! :D drove me crazy trying to fix |
| 21:26.35 | _lemma | sandsmark: cashew :) |
| 21:26.37 | engineer | open directory |
| 21:26.38 | jadrian | I know I can play vob files individualy... |
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| 21:26.44 | sandsmark | _lemma: thanks =) |
| 21:26.49 | jadrian | but i want to play it as a dvd |
| 21:26.54 | sandsmark | jadrian: try asking in #kaffeine =) |
| 21:26.55 | jadrian | menus etc etc |
| 21:26.58 | sandsmark | it isn't an official KDE app |
| 21:27.04 | jadrian | thanks sandsmark |
| 21:27.12 | engineer | jadrian open directory |
| 21:27.18 | sandsmark | ^_^ |
| 21:27.21 | wesley | guys i am compiling kde4 from trunk but where do i need to save .bashrc |
| 21:27.32 | sandsmark | wesley: in your home directory |
| 21:28.18 | jadrian | engineer: doesn't work |
| 21:28.19 | jadrian | :S |
| 21:28.27 | BlueG | the idea behind encrypting kopetes log files is that you can keep them more secure than the rest of your home dir. you can close kopete and your logs are secure without logging out of kde. |
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| 21:28.48 | sandsmark | BlueG: I still don't see the case =) |
| 21:28.48 | jadrian | engineer: it plays some slideshows of the dvds without stoping |
| 21:28.58 | jadrian | engineer: instead of opening the menus |
| 21:29.00 | sandsmark | BlueG: I usually lock my computer when I leave it |
| 21:29.03 | _lemma | sandsmark: you're welcome :) |
| 21:29.13 | sandsmark | _lemma: can I have a pony too? =) |
| 21:29.28 | zakk_ | in folder view widget. how do i scroll down ? |
| 21:29.37 | sandsmark | (and btw, I thought it was meant to illustrate a pool of molten plasma) |
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| 21:30.22 | wesley | sandmark i just saved the link is that alright ? |
| 21:30.26 | _lemma | sandsmark: yes, but you have to pay it from your pocket money :) |
| 21:30.38 | _lemma | sandsmark: and you have to feed it |
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| 21:31.34 | BlueG | Say, for instance, a guy lives with a room mate he margnally trusts, but doesn't want him snooping his im logs. With an encrypted logfile, he can exit kopete and let his room mate use the computer without logging out and in to another account, or just leave the room without worrying to lock it. |
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| 21:33.10 | _lemma | BlueG: yes |
| 21:34.22 | sandsmark | BlueG: turn off logging, or give him his own user? |
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| 21:35.27 | BlueG | I suspect alot of people would consider their im logs one of the most private (and hopefully secure) items on their system. personal conversations held with many parties over and extended period of time in a convenient searchable format... |
| 21:36.20 | wesley | i get bash: cs: command not found |
| 21:36.35 | sandsmark | BlueG: uhm, I consider my gpg-key to be more important to me =) |
| 21:36.48 | sandsmark | or my mail |
| 21:36.56 | sandsmark | BlueG: why not give him his own user? |
| 21:37.14 | _lemma | wesley: .bashrc has to be directly in your home directory and cs has to be defined in it. be sure to open a new shell so the .bashrc gets read |
| 21:38.08 | BlueG | sandsmark: turning off logging rather defeats the purpose. Of course, you could give him his own user, but then you also have to lock yours whenever you leave the room and swap users everytime he wants to use the computer for a moment. It is inconvenient and tends to make you look paranoid and distrustful of your roommate (which may be true, but is hardly the point). |
| 21:38.32 | sandsmark | it is exactly the point |
| 21:38.41 | wesley | 'ash: /home/wesley/.bashrc: line 83: syntax error near unexpected token `{ |
| 21:38.41 | wesley | 'ash: /home/wesley/.bashrc: line 83: `function cmakekde { |
| 21:38.46 | sandsmark | and how would you go about encrypting the log? |
| 21:38.48 | sandsmark | with what key? |
| 21:38.48 | wesley | not i get this |
| 21:38.50 | BlueG | with an encrypted log file, you get the same security (with respect to IM logs) more conveniently |
| 21:39.32 | _lemma | wesley: well, either you made a mistake copying the commands into your .bashrc .. or ash can't cope with it |
| 21:39.37 | BlueG | obviously, the user would provide a passphrase to decrypt the log file |
| 21:39.55 | sandsmark | BlueG: this sounds like a PEBKAC-incident |
| 21:40.05 | sandsmark | aka. the worst idea I've heard all day |
| 21:40.05 | wesley | no i copy bashrc from that link to my bashrc |
| 21:40.25 | _lemma | BlueG: if you want something like that you could file a wish on bugs.kde.org - there isn't much we (as channel #kde) can do |
| 21:40.41 | sandsmark | BlueG: if you have a roommate which digs through hidden files on your machine when you're away, I would never leave my computer unlocked |
| 21:41.00 | sandsmark | BlueG: just think if he happens to delete or move something random in .kde? |
| 21:41.49 | wesley | can soneone upload there bashrc i think i messed it up i download that hmtl and overwrited my bashrc |
| 21:41.55 | BlueG | sandsmark: it is quite similiar to the protection provided by gnupg, your private key is not accessible to anyone who can access your home dir, it has a separate passphrase which is typically required for every invokation of gpg, and every action in things like email. |
| 21:42.19 | sandsmark | BlueG: most people use a small program that keep it open when you're logged in, though |
| 21:42.30 | sandsmark | that's why you usually log out or lock your computer when you leave it |
| 21:42.43 | BlueG | sandsmark: gosh, I certainly wouldn't do that |
| 21:42.59 | sandsmark | BlueG: everyone at work does it =) |
| 21:43.08 | sandsmark | and pretty much anyone who uses gpg I know does it |
| 21:43.28 | _lemma | wesley: if you paste yours on http://rafb.net/paste I can have a look at it. I can't post mine as it has stuff that might break yours :) |
| 21:43.49 | BlueG | No one sends an email signed in my name because I forgot to lock it when [insert incredibly distracting event here] :-p |
| 21:44.22 | BlueG | or reads my encrypted data, signs their own public key in my name, etc, etc... |
| 21:44.36 | wesley | http://rafb.net/p/SEKt0g96.html _lemma |
| 21:45.01 | sandsmark | BlueG: ? |
| 21:45.07 | sandsmark | why didn't you just revoke it? |
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| 21:46.14 | sandsmark | BlueG: anyways, if Eve can read your ~, you've pretty much lost most of your privacy =P |
| 21:46.15 | BlueG | sandsmark: the point isn't that encrypted logs are necessary or even particularly important, but they do provide a certain measure of convenience and security that are useful under some circumstances. |
| 21:46.38 | sandsmark | not anymore than for example encrypting the browser log |
| 21:46.46 | sandsmark | which is equally silly, imho |
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| 21:47.31 | _lemma | wesley: unfortunately I don't see an error. are you actually using bash or ash? what does "$ ash --version" output? |
| 21:47.34 | thiago_home | BlueG: encrypt your home dir |
| 21:47.40 | deitarion | Any idea why konqueror 3.5.9 would have an annoying tendency to disable the Cut and Copy options in the context menu for the icon view KPart? |
| 21:47.53 | sandsmark | deitarion: which distro? |
| 21:47.58 | deitarion | sandsmark: Gentoo |
| 21:48.11 | BlueG | of course, you can revoke the key, once you realize something has happened, but you wouldn't want to revoke it and create a new one everytime you realized you accidentally left the machine unlocked... there is certainly the potential for damage to be done before the breach is ever detected. |
| 21:48.35 | sandsmark | BlueG: I can honestly say that I have never left my computer unlocked the last two years =) |
| 21:48.55 | sandsmark | and that amount of damage that could be done before I revoked my key would be minimal, anyways |
| 21:49.26 | deitarion | Lately, I've considered Debian and Kubuntu, but my opinion of them has been dropping as I try them on another machine and find the number of problems to be the same, but fixing them more difficult. |
| 21:49.27 | sandsmark | also, kbluelock can help you if you use bluetooth =P |
| 21:49.28 | thiago_home | if you don't trust your roommate with your computer, you will remember to lock it. |
| 21:49.43 | sandsmark | thiago_home: but then he looks paranoid! =P |
| 21:49.53 | thiago_home | how do you expect the computer to know if it's you or your roommate using kopete? |
| 21:50.05 | wesley | ash: Illegal option -- _lemma this does it say |
| 21:50.19 | sandsmark | BlueG: just give the roommate his own user, and then he can start a new session from the kscreensaver-unlock-dialog |
| 21:50.37 | _lemma | wesley: at least I know you're not running bash then :-) what OS/distribution are you on? |
| 21:50.47 | wesley | kubuntu |
| 21:51.03 | wesley | i had to install ash first to check it |
| 21:51.04 | oneforall | hmm whats qt0copy . I seen use either qt4 or qt-copy |
| 21:51.16 | oneforall | qt0copy/qt-copy |
| 21:51.17 | thiago_home | oneforall: it's a typo |
| 21:51.19 | thiago_home | 0 is next to - |
| 21:51.34 | Paddy_EIRE | what is the name of the notification area applet that monitors power consumption of your battery in kde... I believe it also lets you choose the CPU policy.. |
| 21:51.34 | _lemma | wesley: it seems something in the .bashrc is not compatible with ash. I'd advise using bash if that's an option for you |
| 21:51.39 | oneforall | yeah that was my typo :) |
| 21:51.57 | thiago_home | Paddy_EIRE: kpowersave, in most recent distros |
| 21:52.07 | Paddy_EIRE | ha... nice one thiago |
| 21:52.10 | thiago_home | Paddy_EIRE: technically, it's not an applet. |
| 21:52.26 | wesley | i use bash i believe |
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| 21:52.30 | deitarion | Oh, and what provides the Qt-based volume-control OSD that Kubuntu uses? |
| 21:52.51 | thiago_home | deitarion: kmilo, I think. |
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| 21:53.32 | Paddy_EIRE | thiago_home, happen to know the command to launch it... |
| 21:53.38 | deitarion | thiago_home: Thanks. I'll try that. (At present, I'm using the keybindings in Audacious Media Player... but it's OSD doesn't support progress bars yet) |
| 21:53.42 | _lemma | wesley: well, my version of bash provides a --version argument which yours doesn't :) |
| 21:53.51 | wesley | ow |
| 21:54.17 | _lemma | wesley: try sudo apt-get install bash and you'll know if you've been on bash |
| 21:54.17 | thiago_home | Paddy_EIRE: "kpowersave |
| 21:54.23 | Paddy_EIRE | nope |
| 21:54.26 | Paddy_EIRE | hmm |
| 21:54.30 | deitarion | Any modern bash should provide --version since it's one of the big things GNU is fanatical about providing. |
| 21:54.46 | thiago_home | any non-modern too... L-) |
| 21:54.47 | _lemma | wesley: maybe what you currently use is dash |
| 21:55.09 | wesley | dash ? |
| 21:55.11 | deitarion | thiago_home: Depends on how you define "non-modern". I don't know when that policy came into effect. |
| 21:55.38 | thiago_home | any bash of the past 10 years should have it |
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| 21:55.53 | deitarion | I'll keep that in mind. |
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| 21:56.51 | Half-Left | I friggin love 4.1 |
| 21:57.32 | deitarion | I'll have to see whether they fixed the Konqueror address bar first. (On my system, it tends to spontaneously stop redrawing) |
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| 22:00.06 | Paddy_EIRE | thiago_home, aha I may have it "klaptopdaemon" |
| 22:00.18 | hunt0r | how is the kdeso in kde 4 called? |
| 22:00.26 | Paddy_EIRE | kdesu |
| 22:01.55 | Paddy_EIRE | thiago_home, actually that's not it either |
| 22:02.17 | thiago_home | hunt0r: kdesu in KDE 4 is called kdesu |
| 22:02.24 | hunt0r | are you shure? I dont have this executable but I have seen a kde4 kdesu window |
| 22:02.29 | thiago_home | Paddy_EIRE: what isn't there? |
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| 22:02.37 | thiago_home | hunt0r: it's not in bin |
| 22:03.28 | Paddy_EIRE | thiago_home, seems to have vanished from the notification area since last update.. no worries I'm sure I'll track it down.. |
| 22:04.49 | hunt0r | thiago_home: and where is it? :) |
| 22:05.56 | thiago_home | hunt0r: lib/kde4/libexec |
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| 22:07.14 | Half-Left | yessh, krunner has a redraw issue |
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| 22:08.28 | hunt0r | thiago_home: ahm so its now a only a lib no executable anymore? how do I execute things as root then? ^^ |
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| 22:10.15 | thiago_home | hunt0r: it's an executable, not a library |
| 22:10.26 | thiago_home | but it's not a user executable. You're not supposed to run it directly. |
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| 22:11.47 | hyper_ch | hi, I got a problem with kontact... for some reason it will not check emails anymore and half of my rss feeds don't work anymore.... |
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| 22:12.49 | thomas_ | hyper_ch: maybe it runs in the offline mode |
| 22:12.53 | hunt0r | thiago_home: ok and I cant start an app as root via krunner or so? ^^ |
| 22:13.30 | hyper_ch | thomas_: good thinking - but I am in online mode :( |
| 22:13.57 | hyper_ch | with my mailserver is everything fine... I just setup thunderbird for control and it works |
| 22:14.25 | ewiggin | server-pim/akonadi-server-scm |
| 22:14.57 | thomas_ | i have no idea then |
| 22:16.03 | hyper_ch | I even removed and account and re-added it...I guess I'll remove the whole profile |
| 22:16.03 | thiago_home | hunt0r: missing feature in krunner |
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| 22:16.26 | hunt0r | hmm kk |
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| 22:17.39 | GodFather | How do I add a second panel to my desktop |
| 22:18.07 | _lemma | GodFather: depends on your version of KDE. on recent version of kde4 you can right-click the desktop and select "Add new panel" |
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| 22:20.30 | GodFather | i installed kubuntu with remix |
| 22:20.54 | Half-Left | always has two panels |
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| 22:21.29 | GodFather | _lemma, I don't have that right-click feature, how do I find the exact version of kde4 I have? |
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| 22:21.44 | ma3x | is there a way to make the 'disconnect' signs disappear from ksysguard applet? |
| 22:21.56 | thiago_home | GodFather: any KDE application -> Help -> About KDE |
| 22:22.50 | GodFather | I have kde 4.0.3 |
| 22:22.50 | _lemma | GodFather: you can open any kde program and check the about dialog in the help menu |
| 22:23.19 | _lemma | GodFather: I fear that feature is not yet implemented in 4.0.3 |
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| 22:23.28 | thiago_home | GodFather: upgrade to 4.1 beta |
| 22:23.38 | thiago_home | or a more recent SVN build |
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| 22:24.31 | GodFather | is upgrading to 4.1 beta available in synaptic or adept |
| 22:24.48 | thiago_home | upgrading to 4.1 is available if you compile from sources, that's for sure |
| 22:24.57 | thiago_home | to know if your distribution has binaries, you have to ask your distribution |
| 22:25.01 | thiago_home | we don't know |
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| 22:25.15 | Half-Left | Kubuntu does have packages now |
| 22:25.27 | GodFather | k, I'll got there!!! |
| 22:25.34 | GodFather | s/got/go/ |
| 22:27.19 | Half-Left | The next beta will be much better though judging from svn |
| 22:27.32 | Half-Left | trunk* |
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| 22:29.24 | GodFather | thanks to all for your help |
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| 22:35.46 | wesley | can some one help i get errors on kubuntu with compiling from trunk http://rafb.net/p/i5P6Ve28.html |
| 22:37.51 | Half-Left | you need phonon |
| 22:38.20 | Half-Left | wesley, What are you compiling first? |
| 22:39.13 | wesley | i am just following the guide |
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| 22:39.47 | Half-Left | Your supposed to compile, kdelibs, kdepimlibs, kdebase in that order |
| 22:40.48 | wesley | thats what i am doing i am compiling now on my normal user account |
| 22:40.58 | wesley | and that works |
| 22:42.04 | Half-Left | you need kdesupport |
| 22:42.21 | Half-Left | which has phonon |
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| 22:46.15 | wesley | now its running |
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| 23:23.35 | Pollywog | I am unable to compile kdebase from kde 4.0 http://rafb.net/p/1A1e8q16.html |
| 23:24.03 | Pollywog | libxine IS installed |
| 23:24.11 | Pollywog | kubuntu Hardy btw |
| 23:24.16 | _lemma | Pollywog: did you install libxine-dev? |
| 23:24.23 | Pollywog | yes it is installed |
| 23:24.42 | _lemma | Pollywog: version is right as well? |
| 23:24.58 | Pollywog | 1.1.11 |
| 23:26.37 | Pollywog | I am thinking I should go back to Debian |
| 23:26.54 | Pollywog | not sure if that will help with this though |
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| 23:29.24 | g2g591 | bah, Gentoo is the one that has all the -dev stuff installed |
| 23:30.29 | _lemma | Pollywog: well, that's more recent that what's needed. |
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| 23:30.50 | _lemma | Pollywog: sorry, if the libxine-dev package is installed this problem is bigger than me |
| 23:31.13 | wesley | http://rafb.net/p/XvvMBy28.html again error this time by compiling kdepimlibs |
| 23:31.32 | pinotree | did you install akonadi from kdesupport? |
| 23:32.05 | Pollywog | _lemma: ty |
| 23:33.00 | wesley | wheres kdesupport ? |
| 23:33.47 | Pollywog | on my next reinstall, I will install Debian. Upgrades were so much easier under Debian than under Ubuntu; Ubuntu breaks stuff with every upgrade |
| 23:34.30 | engineer | i couldn't disagree more |
| 23:35.08 | Pollywog | the only time I had a problem with an upgrade for Debian was the version that had the new 2.6 kernels |
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| 23:35.18 | Pollywog | I had to do a clean install |
| 23:35.24 | engineer | hmm |
| 23:35.33 | engineer | i never had to do a clean install in ubuntu.. |
| 23:35.34 | Pollywog | but Ubuntu, stuff breaks |
| 23:36.05 | g2g591 | ah, gentoo, a rolling release distro, no big sudden torrents of updates |
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| 23:36.10 | Pollywog | I don't believe I had to do a clean install from Gutsy to Hardy |
| 23:36.24 | Pollywog | but a few things broke |
| 23:36.30 | Pollywog | no major breakage |
| 23:37.29 | Pollywog | and this is a dual boot machine and now and then locks up while in Kubuntu but never when in XP |
| 23:37.44 | Pollywog | and it did not lock up like this until Gutsy |
| 23:37.56 | Pollywog | it was fine in Feisty |
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| 23:39.05 | Pollywog | Are there KDE development tutorials for KDE 5.x? |
| 23:39.08 | Pollywog | oops |
| 23:39.10 | Pollywog | 3.x |
| 23:39.45 | Pollywog | I think it would be easier for me to stick with 3.x until 4.1 is stable |
| 23:40.03 | Pollywog | anyone using Debian Sid? |
| 23:40.03 | engineer | thats what i did |
| 23:40.15 | g2g591 | 4.1 IS stable, im using svn |
| 23:40.30 | _lemma | <-- sid |
| 23:40.32 | g2g591 | well not stable as in released |
| 23:40.49 | Pollywog | g2g591: I could not get it kdebase to install using svn |
| 23:40.56 | Pollywog | g2g591: I could not get kdebase to install using svn |
| 23:41.14 | Pollywog | I used the tutorial, which is great |
| 23:41.26 | Pollywog | but just could not get kdebase to install |
| 23:41.47 | Pollywog | _lemma: which version of KDE in Sid? |
| 23:42.12 | g2g591 | Pollywog: well Gentoo has packages that build it from svn, so most problems have been taken care of.. |
| 23:42.14 | _lemma | Pollywog: 3.5.9 is in sid and afaik 4.something is in experimental |
| 23:42.20 | Pollywog | oic |
| 23:42.22 | Pollywog | ty |
| 23:42.29 | _lemma | yw :) |
| 23:42.36 | _lemma | anyways, I'm off to bed. good night and good luck |
| 23:42.55 | Pollywog | I guess I will have to be patient |
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| 23:43.29 | Pollywog | because it is going to be a while before 4.1 shows up in Kubuntu |
| 23:44.19 | g2g591 | its gonna be about 8.10 or something |
| 23:44.35 | g2g591 | its gonna be in Gentoo around 5-10 days after its released |
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| 23:49.53 | Pollywog | how does one set QTDIR and KDEDIR if one uses the QT and KDE libs that come with their Linux distribution? QT and KDE libs are all over the place |
| 23:50.13 | Pollywog | I mean they are not found in one place |
| 23:50.32 | Pollywog | as they would be if one did a manual install |
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| 23:52.11 | g2g591 | it should be set by default |
| 23:52.40 | g2g591 | they should both be already set... |
| 23:52.41 | Pollywog | no, it's not |
| 23:52.47 | g2g591 | strange distro then |
| 23:53.00 | Pollywog | if I echo them I get nothing |
| 23:53.08 | g2g591 | hmm |
| 23:53.12 | Pollywog | I mean 'echo $QTDIR' etc |
| 23:53.25 | g2g591 | QT should be found in /usr/lib KDEDIR samething |
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