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00:05.00 | cmdln | evening |
00:05.06 | g2g591 | hello |
00:05.36 | cmdln | When running kde4 my background picture regularly does not fill the entire screen |
00:05.58 | cmdln | any ideas? |
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00:06.37 | Pollywog | change the resolution? |
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00:07.18 | panagos | cmdln: maybe you didn't configure how it will stretch? |
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00:07.38 | Pollywog | ctrl-alt-+ might help |
00:07.45 | cmdln | no it takes up at most the left top quadrant, and the little glowing thing that should be in the top right corner is in the middle of the screen |
00:07.46 | Pollywog | the + from the keypad |
00:08.00 | Pollywog | oh |
00:08.11 | Pollywog | maybe you need to configure X |
00:08.21 | cmdln | it works fine in kde3 |
00:08.26 | Pollywog | are you using a Debian derivative? |
00:08.30 | Pollywog | k |
00:08.30 | cmdln | yes |
00:08.49 | Pollywog | if it works in kde3 I don't think it is the problem |
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00:09.03 | cmdln | its something specific to kde4 |
00:09.07 | Pollywog | yes |
00:09.10 | Pollywog | so it seems |
00:10.19 | Pollywog | cmdln: did you install KDE4 from backports? |
00:11.04 | Pollywog | and are you running Hardy Heron? |
00:11.24 | cmdln | mmm if I use xrander and change the res to 1600x1024 it fills the screen properly, but changing back to 1900x1200 the background image seems to stay at 1600x1024 |
00:11.28 | cmdln | yes Im running hardy |
00:11.48 | Pollywog | are you using Nvidia drivers? |
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00:11.58 | cmdln | yes |
00:12.26 | Pollywog | when you installed KDE 4.1 beta 1 did you first do a dist-upgrade? |
00:13.19 | cmdln | probably |
00:13.23 | cmdln | it was a while back |
00:13.26 | cmdln | cant remember |
00:13.45 | Pollywog | because if you didn't, it's probable that you have packages that need upgrading |
00:14.53 | Pollywog | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main |
00:15.00 | Pollywog | that is where I got mine |
00:15.32 | Pollywog | but before installing kde4 from there I did a dist-upgrade |
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00:18.12 | ma3x | why the scrolling in kde skips? |
00:18.14 | ma3x | in iceweasel too |
00:18.21 | ma3x | it's not smooth |
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00:19.42 | blauzahl__ | what version? |
00:20.01 | DHowett | anyone else note that when compositing is turned on (via kwin OR compiz), the plasma dashboard (ctrl-F12) has a completely white background? |
00:20.05 | DHowett | or is that just my hardware |
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00:24.59 | diceman | kde is great |
00:25.03 | diceman | je suis la |
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00:33.05 | cmdln | well deleting my .kde4 directory fixes the background issue |
00:33.08 | cmdln | at least for now |
00:33.38 | cmdln | I need to get a better grasp on what causes it to stop being 1900x1200 |
00:33.43 | cmdln | then i can report a bug |
00:34.03 | cmdln | another thing that bugs me .... no 12 hour setting for the clock in the panel? |
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00:37.30 | cmdln | ah way under country/Region and language settings |
00:37.46 | cmdln | boy kde4 useability is just lacking imho |
00:37.53 | iCEifer | anyone know how well KDE 4 would run with compiz on a single core 1.5ghz with 1gb RAM and a 32MB video card? |
00:38.04 | cmdln | prolly not well |
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00:39.07 | iCEifer | hmmm, mostly due to the ram or everything? :) |
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00:40.32 | cmdln | video card id say |
00:40.32 | cmdln | what kind of video card? |
00:40.32 | cmdln | it might be ok |
00:40.32 | cmdln | id just try it |
00:40.35 | cmdln | if it sucks you can always run something else |
00:40.37 | cmdln | :) |
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00:41.07 | cmdln | but i wouldnt expect much from a 32M video card |
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00:41.10 | iCEifer | ATI Radeon mobility 7500 or 9000 |
00:41.29 | iCEifer | yeah....are you running 4 or 3.5.9? |
00:41.39 | iCEifer | I read that 4 takes up less resources? |
00:42.50 | iCEifer | I've been trying KDE, Gnome, and Xfce and just running the same type of apps and it pretty much seems that the amount of physical mem I have left stays about the same and I don't really notice any performance difference between them :) |
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00:44.09 | cmdln | im running 4 |
00:44.21 | cmdln | its faster or so i percieve |
00:44.29 | cmdln | but i dont think compiz would be very good |
00:45.14 | iCEifer | heh |
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00:55.45 | iCEifer | thanx for all the info. |
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01:00.53 | Pollywog | can anyone tell me why I can't compile kdelibs from trunk? I can pastebin the errors |
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01:04.45 | Jucato | Pollywog: please pastebin. I could take a peek. but no promises |
01:04.53 | Pollywog | k ty |
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01:06.51 | Pollywog | http://rafb.net/p/SgCInn26.html |
01:07.02 | Pollywog | jucato: http://rafb.net/p/SgCInn26.html |
01:08.54 | Jucato | Cannot process input: '/home/kde-devel/kde/build/KDE/kdelibs/kdeui/org.kde.KWallet.xml'. Stop. |
01:08.58 | Pollywog | yes |
01:09.02 | Jucato | that's your error. unfortunately I have no idea :( |
01:09.10 | Pollywog | what does kwallet have to do with anything though? |
01:09.13 | Pollywog | k |
01:09.14 | Pollywog | ty |
01:09.27 | Pollywog | I wall ask annma next time I see her |
01:09.40 | Jucato | btw, you don't have to rerun cmakekde again and again |
01:09.48 | Pollywog | k |
01:09.53 | Jucato | "make VERBOSE=1" would do |
01:09.54 | Pollywog | I wondered about that |
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01:10.23 | Jucato | cmakekde will go through the "./configure" (or rather, "cmake") part again |
01:11.00 | Pollywog | so when I install whatever is missing, I can just run 'make'? |
01:11.09 | Jucato | as for what kwallet has to do with it, kwallet is KDE's wallet subsystem. it's in kdelibs (you're probably thinking of kwalletmanager, the GUI utility to manage wallets) |
01:11.13 | Pollywog | or should I clean first |
01:11.37 | Jucato | dunno if make clean works. usually plain "make" would do it |
01:11.42 | Pollywog | k |
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01:11.58 | Pollywog | if I clean, I would have to configure again |
01:12.03 | Pollywog | I think |
01:12.09 | Jucato | not sure |
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01:12.24 | Jucato | if you remove the build directory, then yes, you'll have to anyway |
01:12.26 | Pollywog | I did install kdesupport |
01:12.41 | Pollywog | after I installed Qt |
01:12.53 | Pollywog | I installed qt-copy actually |
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01:32.58 | derek_k | Pollywog: start with a clean source tree, and see if the problem goes away |
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01:41.47 | Pollywog | derek_k: I already tried that, got the same result |
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01:45.16 | derek_k | Pollywog: paste your cmake results. you may be missing some xml library or something. I just built kdelibs a few hours ago |
01:45.48 | Pollywog | http://rafb.net/p/SgCInn26.html |
01:45.54 | Pollywog | did you see that? |
01:46.20 | derek_k | Pollywog: yes. |
01:46.21 | Pollywog | I installed kdesupport and Qt before that |
01:46.23 | Pollywog | k |
01:46.28 | derek_k | Pollywog: cmake . |
01:47.03 | Pollywog | I should do cmake instead of cmakekde? |
01:48.48 | derek_k | Pollywog: i'm not familiar with those scripts. |
01:49.36 | Jucato | derek_k: cmakekde basically is cmake with some default variables. it also makes sure you're building out of the source directory (which KDE4 doesn't allow) |
01:49.52 | Jucato | it also runs make and make install after cmake |
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01:57.35 | derek_k | Pollywog: perhaps it a mixup of qt3 and qt4 tools |
01:57.44 | derek_k | Pollywog: or not seeing the qt build tools |
01:59.13 | Pollywog | yes I also think it is something like a mixup of versions |
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01:59.50 | Jucato | what does "qmake -v" say? |
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02:00.53 | Pollywog | yes, that is the problem thanks Jucato |
02:01.32 | Jucato | make sure that $QTDIR is set properly and that your path puts it (Qt 4) before the other paths |
02:01.35 | Jucato | right.. gone now |
02:02.06 | Pollywog | oh yes I forgot about the PATH |
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02:02.48 | Pollywog | I will need to remove the Kubuntu stuff and install Ubuntu and just keep the Qt4 stuff |
02:03.03 | Pollywog | that would be the easier thing to do |
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02:04.42 | Pollywog | I also have an unused laptop that I could use for KDE4 |
02:05.23 | Pollywog | I could then keep this system as-is and just remove the KDE4 stuff |
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02:16.35 | Jucato | Pollywog: no need to remove Kubuntu Qt 4 stuff (which is actually needed by Kubuntu) |
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02:16.50 | Jucato | just make sure your QTDIR is set properly. the .bashrc should take care of the rest |
02:17.04 | Pollywog | I mean I am going to remove the KDE 4.1 devel stuff |
02:17.08 | Jucato | ah |
02:17.10 | Pollywog | and use the laptop |
02:17.11 | Jucato | :P |
02:17.31 | Pollywog | then there will be no conflicts since it will be a Gnome system :) |
02:17.54 | Jucato | oh the conflict is that it has a Gnome system :) |
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02:18.29 | Pollywog | but it will only need the one Qt |
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02:19.36 | Pollywog | I have managed two KDE versions before but for some reason I am unable to manage it now |
02:20.12 | Pollywog | even with KDEDIR and QTDIR properly set for the kde-devel user |
02:20.27 | Jucato | does your .bashrc add those to the PATH? |
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02:21.48 | Pollywog | Jucato: yes |
02:21.53 | Pollywog | no |
02:21.56 | Jucato | ... |
02:22.01 | Pollywog | not exactly |
02:22.17 | Pollywog | I think I needed to change my PATH and I did not do that |
02:22.39 | Pollywog | I left the PATH as-is and just added export KDEDIR |
02:22.44 | Pollywog | and QTDIR |
02:23.13 | Jucato | you can always check echo $PATH :) |
02:24.54 | Pollywog | home/kde-devel/kde/bin:/usr/local/bin:/home/kde-devel/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games |
02:24.54 | Pollywog | <PROTECTED> |
02:25.20 | Jucato | the QTDIR path seems to be missing |
02:25.37 | Pollywog | yes I put that at the bottom of .bashrc |
02:25.59 | Pollywog | as export QTDIR=/home/kde-devel/qt |
02:26.04 | Jucato | not necessary actually, there are lines in the .bashrc that take care of that |
02:26.15 | Jucato | ah that would be why |
02:26.21 | Pollywog | I thought I could do it either way |
02:26.34 | Jucato | you put it at the bottom, but the .bashrc adds $QTDIR/bin to $PATH at the top |
02:26.55 | Jucato | well, in this case, no. $QTDIR should be set *before* it is added to the $PATH |
02:27.04 | Pollywog | k |
02:27.14 | Jucato | see the Qt section of the .bashrc file |
02:27.34 | Pollywog | maybe I should try that first before I resort to the laptop |
02:27.49 | Pollywog | thanks for the advice :) |
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02:39.24 | Pollywog | /home/kde-devel/kde/bin:/usr/local/bin:/home/kde-devel/bin:/home/kde-devel/qt/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games |
02:39.26 | Pollywog | |
02:39.42 | Pollywog | I wonder if that will take care of it |
02:41.13 | Jucato | "qmake -v" and "which qmake" to be sure |
02:41.38 | Pollywog | -v says it's all good |
02:41.58 | Pollywog | which qmake agrees |
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02:43.21 | Pollywog | it says "all external packages found" but it said that before |
02:43.49 | Pollywog | I will know in the morning if this worked |
02:44.00 | Pollywog | thanks for all the help :) |
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03:01.34 | cheater-conrad | hey, how can i change the k menu to the old kde 3.x style |
03:01.38 | cheater-conrad | i hate it, it's confusing |
03:02.22 | Jucato | what KDE version? 4.0 or 4.1 beta? |
03:02.41 | cheater-conrad | 4.05 |
03:03.27 | Jucato | cheater-conrad: when you right-click on the kmenu icon, does it say something about Switch to classic menu style? |
03:04.00 | cheater-conrad | no, it says: |
03:04.08 | cheater-conrad | Application launcher settings |
03:04.13 | cheater-conrad | Panel Settings |
03:04.15 | cheater-conrad | and add widget |
03:04.20 | Jucato | hm ok. |
03:04.51 | cheater-conrad | and how do you make the digital clock smaller and not in military time |
03:05.14 | Jucato | you'll have to do it manually. you'll have to add the Application Launcher Menu and then remove the Application Launcher. right-click on the desktop, click on Add Widgets. look for the Application Launcher Menu and *drag and drop* it from the list to the place in the panel |
03:06.29 | cheater-conrad | Jucato, how do you move the panel launcher from one side of the task bar to the other |
03:07.07 | Jucato | you can't yet |
03:07.18 | Jucato | you'll have to drop it in the right place |
03:07.40 | cheater-conrad | dammit |
03:07.54 | troy | cheater-conrad: I think riccardo was working on that code today - not sure if he committed it yet |
03:07.56 | cheater-conrad | this is annoying, i have to close everything to get to the left side of the taskbar |
03:08.03 | cheater-conrad | lol |
03:08.10 | cheater-conrad | anyways, how about turning the clock non-military |
03:08.16 | cheater-conrad | or is that not available yet |
03:08.25 | cheater-conrad | brb |
03:08.32 | troy | cheater-conrad: it should obey your KDE wide preferences, does it not? |
03:08.47 | troy | (and since most of the world uses 24 hour time, you get that as default) |
03:09.24 | troy | I'm talking to air! :P or virtual irc air :) |
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03:09.55 | Pollywog | he is back |
03:09.56 | cheater-conrad | this is really frustrating |
03:10.05 | cheater-conrad | Jucato, i cant add anything anywhere except the right side |
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03:10.12 | cheater-conrad | it automatically drops it there |
03:10.47 | cheater-conrad | now my kmenu is traditional style but it's on the wrong side :( |
03:12.31 | Pollywog | btw Jucato, it worked, kdelibs is now at about 40% of completion, so it is way past the point where it stopped compiling earlier |
03:12.58 | DanielW | cheater-conrad: you can drag and drop it out of the add applets dialog to the place on the panel where you want it to |
03:14.12 | Jucato | cheater-conrad: did you drag from the list to the panel in the correct place? or did you just click Add Widgets or just dropped anywhere on the panel? |
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05:25.36 | ethan961 | What would be the best KDE irc client, other than konversation, that is qt4? |
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05:32.34 | Harry_Mudd | loKuacity |
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05:34.07 | MaxHeadroom | Hello, I have had problems with both Gwenview and Digikam not displaying photos at the true resolution when zooming in, they will often look blurry or choppy, and different from one program to the other, anyone know how to fix, or a better program for photo management/editing? |
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05:54.27 | purpleposeidon | MaxHeadroom: gimp? |
05:56.23 | MaxHeadroom | purpleposeidon: something more simple... I would be fine with digikam, except for the problem of not showing the true photo resolution when I zoom, except in the edit window |
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05:56.53 | purpleposeidon | image magik (sp)? |
05:57.23 | MaxHeadroom | purpleposeidon: is that a manager, or editor? |
05:58.23 | Jucato | imagemagick? neither. |
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05:59.03 | purpleposeidon | ah, you want a manager... no idea. Ask the gnome people, maybe |
05:59.20 | Jucato | what was the question? |
05:59.25 | Jucato | (just came back in) |
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06:00.36 | purpleposeidon | Jucato: <MaxHeadroom> Hello, I have had problems with both Gwenview and Digikam not displaying photos at the true resolution when zooming in, they will often look blurry or choppy, and different from one program to the other, anyone know how to fix, or a better program for photo management/editing? |
06:01.05 | Jucato | oh that |
06:01.19 | Jucato | you might want to ask in #digikam (not sure about gwenview) |
06:01.54 | MaxHeadroom | ok, barring that, maybe there is an alternative program to digikam/gwenview, that is similar |
06:01.55 | Jucato | but do other non-KDE apps display "at the true resolution"? (whatever that means) |
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06:02.05 | Jucato | kphotoalbum? |
06:02.11 | MaxHeadroom | I don't know, haven't tried non-kde apps yet |
06:03.05 | Jucato | I'm not really sure what you mean by "true resolution". rasterized images (JPG, PNG, etc) do get blurry as you zoom in afaik |
06:03.06 | MaxHeadroom | what I mean by, "at the true resolution", is when I zoom in on the photo in digikam view mode, it looks blurry, but if I zoom to same degree in edit mode, it shows as being clear and detailed |
06:03.22 | Jucato | ah |
06:03.30 | MaxHeadroom | if I open this photo in gwen view and zoom, it has another look altogether |
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06:04.18 | Jucato | I think gwenview and digkam are using different things to display images. not really sure. best to ask in #digikam then |
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06:04.56 | purpleposeidon | strange, tho. I would think that they use the same libraries |
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06:05.32 | Jucato | like I said, not really sure :) |
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06:06.38 | MaxHeadroom | I will try in #digikam also, thx |
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06:14.45 | MaxHeadroom | hmm, digikam room is deado, guess Im gonna use gwenview for a while, or bite bullet and use Picassa wine |
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06:51.11 | DHowett | It'd be neat to have the desktop plasmoids have their own window role so they could be placed on compiz's widget layer. currently, the only identifying aspect they have is window name = "Plasma", which with compiz moves the entirety of the desktop+panels to the widget layer if you use it. |
06:52.16 | Fujisan | you can do that by changing 3 lines of code |
06:52.35 | aseigo | DHowett: run them with plasmoidviewer |
06:52.46 | aseigo | DHowett: plasmoids are *not* their own x11 windows |
06:52.56 | DHowett | aseigo: I was just thinking that ;) |
06:53.02 | DHowett | the second, that is. thanks for clearing that up |
06:53.05 | aseigo | DHowett: so you have to run them in a container application (e.g. plasma or plasmoidviewer) |
06:53.14 | DHowett | and thanks for the suggestion :) |
06:53.33 | aseigo | .. and you know that plasma provides a "widget layer" as well, yah? =) |
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06:53.52 | DHowett | I do, but when compositing is on, the background is solid white for me =\ |
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06:56.10 | DHowett | i'm assuming it's an issue with my system.. but if it worked, i'd definitely be using it instead |
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06:57.37 | [gloom] | hi there |
06:58.59 | [gloom] | I'm looking for some info indexer under kde (3.5.9). I know there's a front-end for beagle, but the beagle itself has a lot of gnome deps. Is there any equivalent kde app? |
06:59.46 | pusling | strigi ? |
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07:02.00 | [gloom] | pusling: have you tried it? does it work fine? |
07:02.17 | DHowett | Does strigi work outside kde4? |
07:02.39 | pusling | [gloom]: last I tried it in kde3, it worked, but it issome time ago |
07:03.08 | [gloom] | but would you recommend to install beagle and the kde frontend, or better go for strigi? |
07:03.27 | pusling | go for strigii |
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07:03.41 | [gloom] | oook, thx a lot. I will give it a try |
07:04.04 | Elbar | if you ask in a gnome channel you may get another answer ;) |
07:08.02 | aseigo | yes, it still works outside of kde4. |
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07:16.06 | [gloom] | Elbar: yeah, i'm sure, but since I want it for kde, I think this is the place to ask:D |
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07:18.46 | DHowett | hm. it appears that SOMETHING is setting my up arrow key to be a hotkey of some sort, but it's not KDE and it's not compiz and i don't have anything else running that would. |
07:19.02 | DHowett | It used to get fixed when i loaded my KDE key shortcuts file |
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07:43.54 | thiago | theseinfeld: they are in the same format |
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07:45.05 | DHowett | theseinfeld: for kde3->4 at least. amarok 1.4 -> 2 (at least prerelease amarok 2) settings didn't seem portable.. at least, the collection didn't. |
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07:47.46 | theseinfeld | is there an import tool? DHowett? |
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07:48.19 | DHowett | theseinfeld: Not that i saw |
07:54.13 | theseinfeld | is there a wizard/import/migration tool for the config files kde3->kde4? |
07:56.20 | DHowett | theseinfeld: thiago said they're in the same format, ergo, the config files from kde3 should mostly work, if the thing they're configuring, didn't change too much. Of course, it's always nicer to start out with a clean ~/.kde |
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08:25.55 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
08:26.18 | raddy | Why does KGet always shows delayed? |
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08:32.19 | boo | what do you mean by shows delayed? |
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08:34.39 | ziggy | what will be the status of panel hiding in 4.1? |
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08:35.39 | thiago | ziggy: no hiding |
08:36.15 | ziggy | is that because of technical reasons or do the developers just hate us? |
08:37.01 | thiago | there's a reason |
08:37.04 | thiago | the day only has 24 hours |
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08:37.30 | ziggy | fair enough, 4.2 then? |
08:37.33 | thiago | no idea |
08:37.35 | thiago | no promises |
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08:38.10 | thiago | the best and only way to ensure that it will happen is to do it yourself |
08:38.33 | ziggy | yeah, and if I was a programmer, maybe I would |
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08:46.45 | bunpha | --help |
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08:48.47 | pinotree | --verbose |
08:48.59 | thiago | he |
08:49.03 | thiago | he's gone already |
08:49.11 | pinotree | i know |
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08:50.38 | ziggy | when do the developers hope to have a version of kde 4 that has all the features of 3.5 ? |
08:51.07 | pinotree | the question is not completely corret |
08:51.20 | Elbar | around 4.5 maybe ;) |
08:52.35 | thiago | ziggy: never |
08:52.40 | thiago | we've never promised all features |
08:52.45 | thiago | the feature set will be different, that's it |
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08:53.09 | thiago | it'll contain features that weren't present in 3.5 and it will not contain some features that were there in 3.5 |
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08:54.39 | ziggy | i mean of course, all the relevent features, its frustrating, id like to be able to use kde 4, but its the little things that keep from it, i mean something as simple as panel hiding, even gnome and windows XP have that...i know youre all sick of the gripes but maybe if you explained what youre doing better, i like kde alot and the users have alot at stake in its development too |
08:55.39 | annma | why do want to hide the panel? |
08:55.41 | thiago | 4.1 contains most of the features needed |
08:55.50 | annma | what's your use case ziggy |
08:55.56 | pinotree | ziggy: you can understand yourself that the "little things" are quite different for each person |
08:55.57 | thiago | true, some things are still missing and I'd love to have them back |
08:56.06 | thiago | but it's completely usable |
08:56.07 | annma | explain how you use the panel please ziggy |
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08:56.22 | pinotree | there are people that use already kde4, that has basically what they need |
08:56.48 | annma | that would help greatly if you explain how you use it, when do you hide it, why, ... ziggy |
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08:57.39 | ziggy | anma, i use it to switchs between apps, launch the menu, check the time, check the status of certain applets...most of my computer use is webbased so the panel is just another little bit of room that it takes away from a small laptop screen, also its unnecessarily distracting at times |
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08:58.11 | annma | can't you use applets to do what you need? |
08:58.27 | annma | switch apps and check time => use applets |
08:58.33 | annma | no panel |
09:00.13 | ziggy | well, the difference between a minimal mouse gesture to have a quick pop-up and what id need to launch applets is a usage annoyance, if what i was asking was somehow atypical of use cases that would be one thing, but im talking about something pretty basic and common here |
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09:01.47 | annma | yes, I understand your concern |
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09:01.47 | annma | I'll relay your demand to other Plasma people |
09:01.47 | ziggy | god bless you sir |
09:01.47 | Jejem | or madam |
09:01.47 | Jejem | :p |
09:01.47 | ziggy | or madame |
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09:01.48 | annma | ziggy: :) |
09:03.56 | Jucato | ziggy: if it would make you happy. aseigo (head plasma guy) has said again and again that panel hiding is in the todo list... just probalby not for KDE 4.1 |
09:05.22 | Jucato | has a "workaround" for a no panel KDE 4... put everything on the desktop and remove the panel... then just "show dashboard" if you want to see something |
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09:05.52 | annma | that's sort of what I suggested Jucato but I understand ziggy demand |
09:05.58 | ziggy | how is the dashboard function BTW, is it it more or less like the OSX usage? |
09:06.08 | annma | ctrl+F12 |
09:06.19 | annma | does not know OSX though |
09:06.36 | annma | you only see the desktop + the widgets |
09:06.39 | Jucato | ziggy: yes |
09:06.51 | ziggy | nice, one of my favorite mac-like features |
09:06.57 | Jucato | annma: yeah. I know it's different from hiding panels. it's just a temporary workaround :) |
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09:07.25 | Jucato | actually does that, except that he keeps the panel at a very small height for the taskbar and the system tray icons |
09:07.25 | annma | the fact also is that new ways of doing things will be needed |
09:07.46 | annma | the desktop has to change as the way of using a PC also changes |
09:07.47 | Jucato | mostly because the system tray plasmoid doesn't work well on the desktop ( |
09:07.50 | Jucato | :( |
09:08.13 | Jucato | suddenly had an idea... |
09:08.49 | Jucato | bingo!!!! |
09:09.01 | Jucato | thank you whoever created plasmoidviewer!! :) |
09:09.15 | annma | ;) |
09:10.12 | Jucato | annma: I know the systemtray is a bit trick... but it's kinda broken when on the desktop.. as if it only works if it's on the panel :( |
09:10.39 | ziggy | can the dashboard effects be initiated by mouse gestures? |
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09:10.58 | thiago | if mouse gestures worked, yes |
09:11.05 | ziggy | theyre not working now? |
09:11.10 | thiago | no |
09:11.15 | thiago | not in my build, at least |
09:11.16 | Jucato | yeah... but Plasma itself doesn't have that (although I asked/requested it before) |
09:11.27 | Jucato | no, mouse gestures in general don't work afaik |
09:11.30 | thiago | really misses the gestures in Konqueror |
09:11.49 | Jucato | in fact, custom keyboard shortcuts (khotkeys) don't seem to work either... :( |
09:11.51 | ziggy | is that in line for 4.2 as well, or even more distant horizons? |
09:12.01 | thiago | again, no idea |
09:12.06 | thiago | it will be there when someone does it |
09:12.16 | thiago | not before |
09:13.26 | avishek | annma: excuse me, are you the maintainer of the kde edu module? |
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09:19.56 | ziggy | wait a second, this is begining to make sense.....panel hiding isnt implemented BECAUSE mouse gestures dont work yet, am I on to something here in my dumbass non-techie way? |
09:20.23 | pusling | how did you connect those two ? |
09:22.02 | lemma | ziggy: it's not connected |
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09:22.21 | ziggy | ok, never mind |
09:22.27 | lemma | ziggy: if it were the upper-right cashew-menu wouldn't work either :) |
09:23.48 | Jucato | annma: pokey pokey :) |
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09:24.58 | annma | ah damn |
09:25.01 | annma | I missed him |
09:25.10 | Jucato | missed who? |
09:25.18 | Jucato | oh nvm |
09:26.14 | Jucato | annma: aren't the plasmoid handles supposed to transfer from their default position on the left to the right if the plasmoid is way on the left side of the desktop/monitor? can you confirm that the new device notifier, when placed on the desktop, doesn't behave like that? |
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09:27.02 | annma | the device notifier handle is messed |
09:27.18 | Jucato | :( |
09:27.19 | annma | you can notice it does not go all the way around it |
09:27.22 | Jucato | yeah |
09:27.28 | annma | it's in my TODO list |
09:27.38 | annma | I guess I should mov emy ass before beta 2 |
09:27.53 | Jucato | I'm sure you'll find it easy to do that |
09:27.57 | Jucato | your ass isn't that big :) |
09:28.48 | annma | lol |
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09:30.18 | Jucato | aaargh!! |
09:30.25 | Jucato | I hate it when plasma crashes on kquitapp :( |
09:30.29 | Jucato | all my hard work gone :( |
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09:31.42 | annma | it saves more often now |
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09:39.45 | kakalto | there was a power cut while I was checking my mail, and now I have a mail message which kmail believes is empty, but I can't delete it, and the rest of the message won't seem to download. Any ideas? |
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09:40.01 | kakalto | 3.5.9 |
09:40.09 | kakalto | kmail 1.9.9 |
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09:48.09 | ServerCrash | i have kde4 and the startmenu panel crashed, now how to start it again |
09:48.15 | ServerCrash | kickoff, kicker...what ... |
09:48.32 | Jucato | annma: http://jucato.org/stuff/panelless.png |
09:48.35 | pinotree | plasma |
09:48.41 | ServerCrash | now id dont see the bottom bar which had links to menu |
09:48.49 | ServerCrash | and other open windows |
09:50.01 | pusling | ServerCrash: alt-f2 plasma |
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09:50.18 | ServerCrash | pusling, tried that nothing happens :( |
09:50.50 | Jucato | See the Emergency FAQ in the channel's topic |
09:51.02 | Jucato | the one about how to get the panel back |
09:51.07 | ServerCrash | and if i run it from konsole i get this <unknown program name>(9972)/ checkComposite: Plasma has an argb visual 0x8163e60 65011713 |
09:51.07 | ServerCrash | <unknown program name>(9972)/ checkComposite: Plasma is COMPOSITE-less on 0x815d420 |
09:51.13 | ServerCrash | ok Jucato let me see |
09:53.48 | Trevelyan` | how do i clear the cache in kmail? I have an email that has no body in kmail, but i know it does in reality |
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09:54.01 | Trevelyan` | (eg i via the servers webmail interface) |
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09:55.02 | Zonei | Hi all! I have a problem. I have changed my color scheme on the desktop few months ago and I adapted the KMenu colors to that, and now I switched to another scheme, and for the life of me I can't remember where and how did I change the KMenu colors. Help? KDE 3.5.7, OpenSuSE 10.3. |
09:55.21 | ServerCrash | plasma(11295): Communication problem with "plasma" , it probably crashed. |
09:55.21 | ServerCrash | Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" " |
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09:56.42 | ServerCrash | heh |
09:57.03 | ServerCrash | kde 4 crashing almost on every action on Fedora 9..heh... |
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09:57.34 | tech9iner | not sure the keywords to search on kde apps org.. but.. ics using two laptop's built in wifi?.. possible? |
09:58.52 | tech9iner | my net connection is via sprint u727 usb air card.. my thinking is perhaps there is a way to utilize the wifi chips in place of old style dual nic's i used to ics with on towers/pc's ? |
09:59.29 | tech9iner | perhaps my networking idiocy is showing again.. not sure |
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10:07.16 | kakalto | there was a power cut while I was checking my mail, and now I have a mail message which kmail believes is empty, but I can't delete it, and the rest of the message won't seem to download. Any ideas? kmail1.9.9, kde3.5.9 |
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10:12.56 | boo | try to export da mail and import it back :) |
10:13.05 | boo | but you'd better keep a backup |
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10:22.43 | kakalto | boo: thanks for the idea, although I couldn't find how to export, so I just created a new directory, put other messages into that directory, deleted the old and renamed the new. Except I get the feeling I have lost the original message. |
10:24.35 | kakalto | nope, original is still in inbox on server. |
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10:31.10 | wesley | look guys new kde4 http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3933/kde4lolzc4.png |
10:32.54 | lemma | wesley: what's that sheep saying? |
10:33.18 | wesley | thats grafield :P it says its stupid |
10:33.39 | lemma | very *cough* creative |
10:34.07 | wesley | i was boring |
10:34.13 | pinotree | indeed |
10:34.20 | lemma | heh :) |
10:34.39 | boo | you stole the sketch of kde from one of the developers |
10:34.59 | wesley | no i draw it in kolourpaint |
10:35.09 | boo | who knows... |
10:35.48 | wesley | i think i now going make fun of gnome |
10:36.14 | boo | put the process to youtube |
10:36.56 | wesley | of the painting ? |
10:37.07 | boo | aha |
10:37.27 | wesley | i can not record |
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10:37.45 | boo | you may mention as well how many weed was burned |
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10:39.33 | wesley | lol i dont smoke |
10:40.54 | Zarin | wesley, needs more http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/776/98694.JPG |
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10:42.01 | wesley | lol |
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10:43.35 | wesley | guys would a theme like that not cool ? |
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10:44.41 | wesley | http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/271/gnomelolyo3.png gnome 3 |
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10:49.49 | sandsmark | wesley: look for gnome on uncyclopedia |
10:49.56 | bgmiki | lol |
10:50.57 | wesley | I saw yesterday something like that |
10:51.42 | bgmiki | uh vlc 0.9.0 is full of bugs |
10:52.00 | sandsmark | use Dragonplayer |
10:52.13 | bgmiki | haahh |
10:52.30 | sandsmark | ? |
10:52.33 | bgmiki | man dragon is for noobs |
10:52.59 | sandsmark | I only think Debian has man pages for dragonplayer yet |
10:53.34 | bgmiki | smplayer looks good in kde4 |
10:53.54 | sandsmark | smplayer sucks =) |
10:54.02 | sandsmark | jumping in it sucks almost as bad as in vlc |
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11:03.40 | Kame2 | hey, if i play a video with xine/mplayer/whatever with desktop effects enabled, the video is just a dark blue box. is it a configuration problem, or is it a fglrx problem? |
11:04.30 | peppe | Kame2: it is a video driver problem (and in general an issue of the current video driver architecture) |
11:04.42 | peppe | Kame2: try with mplayer -vo gl |
11:04.49 | Kame2 | -> crash |
11:04.55 | peppe | d'uh |
11:05.03 | peppe | blame ati and amd for making such faulty drivers |
11:05.04 | peppe | :) |
11:05.05 | Kame2 | so i think its fglrx ^^ |
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11:07.04 | Kame2 | if i switch from one X to another X (F7->F8) the driver crashs... -> http://2kmm.dyndns.org/laptop.jpg and there are much more problems... (no textures in flightgear, ktank just show a empty window with 100% cpu, etc) |
11:07.18 | thiago | has one of his 8 icons on the system tray (KDE4) that is scaled down |
11:07.22 | thiago | it's much smaller than the rest |
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11:07.28 | thiago | has anyone seen this before? |
11:07.45 | Kame2 | next laptop gets a nice intel-chip :) |
11:08.02 | __friedrich| | thiago: is it a kde app? |
11:08.05 | thiago | no |
11:08.10 | thiago | Mandriva's net_applet |
11:08.29 | thiago | the other non-KDE app I have running (Skype) is working fine |
11:08.48 | __friedrich| | thiago: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155381 <- maybe it is about this bug, which got fixed yesterday |
11:09.39 | da1l6 | hi, i have an issue with kpdf (on KDE 3.5.9) not loading pdfs from webpages which supply mimetype application/x-pdf instead of application/pdf :( |
11:10.14 | da1l6 | it prints "kpdf: WARNING: Unknown mimetype 'application/x-pdf'." on the terminal and dosn't display the document |
11:10.45 | da1l6 | any idea how to get around this? |
11:11.11 | thiago | __friedrich|: interesting, it's the exact opposite, but I'll try |
11:11.14 | thiago | rebuilds plasma |
11:11.18 | thiago | __friedrich|: thanks |
11:11.53 | __friedrich| | thiago: yw, good luck |
11:11.57 | __friedrich| | tell me if it helped :) |
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11:40.18 | Marco_ | Why in Kde 4.1 i get black background in systray icons? |
11:40.59 | jazka | I think it's because gtk apps would crash if they were made transparent |
11:41.01 | Half-Left | It's a bug |
11:41.10 | jazka | someone said something like that on #plasma yesterday or so |
11:41.32 | Marco_ | will it be solved for 4.1? |
11:41.48 | jazka | hmm, don't know |
11:41.57 | Marco_ | i ask on plasma.. thanks :) |
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11:47.58 | Mirrakor | is there a ktorrent specific channel? |
11:50.51 | ziggy | i always wondered, why isnt there a default chess program with kde games? |
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11:52.24 | annma | ziggy: there is one in kde-apps probably |
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11:52.50 | annma | there were talks about a some engine |
11:53.03 | annma | a chess engine is something big |
11:53.08 | ziggy | they have a program called knights which quite a good program, a little tricky to add the engine but quite good none the less |
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11:53.26 | ziggy | they could use one or several of the myriad existing engines |
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11:56.19 | annma | it's just nobody is interested |
11:56.38 | annma | 1 person does one game, there is no "they" as such |
11:56.46 | Half-Left | annma, Ever noticed the info folder view takes about 6 seconds to come up when nepomuk is enabled? |
11:56.50 | annma | <ziggy> they could use one or several of the myriad existing engines |
11:57.05 | annma | Half-Left: I don't enable nepomuk |
11:57.14 | annma | what do you use nepomuk for Half-Left?* |
11:57.50 | Half-Left | annma, Just playing with it, you can use it to filter you tagged images in the plasma folder vew now |
11:57.54 | DanielW | Half-Left: it should not take 6 seconds. you mean in dolphin? |
11:58.06 | Half-Left | DanielW, yep |
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11:58.50 | DanielW | Half-Left: that nepomuksearch kio is yet in playground. and the thing in dolphin is nearly realtime for me. |
11:58.55 | Half-Left | DanielW, If you add the info view to dolphin is takes that time to appear in dolphin |
11:59.03 | thiago | __friedrich|: it seems to have helped |
11:59.07 | thiago | all icons have the same size now |
11:59.11 | DanielW | Half-Left: i believe you use the redland plugin of soprano and maybe an older version of it |
11:59.28 | DanielW | redland backend |
11:59.50 | Half-Left | I've got trunk kdesupport |
12:00.01 | DanielW | sesame2 is faster. but 6 seconds.. even on my eee pc with redland it is faster |
12:00.25 | thiago | __friedrich|: now half of them disappeared |
12:00.38 | DanielW | Half-Left: mhh redland is not part of kdesupport. i think redland is coming from your distro packages |
12:01.02 | Half-Left | hmmm, I'll have to check that |
12:01.52 | thiago | restarting plasma |
12:01.56 | DanielW | i would suggest to get redland 1.0.7 or if you really care for speed give sesame2 a try. (look at the output of cmake from kdesupport it will show if it has build sesame2 support and if not it will tell why) |
12:02.01 | Half-Left | DanielW, Would that be "Redland Resource Description Framework (RDF) library" |
12:02.11 | DanielW | Half-Left: yes |
12:02.31 | Half-Left | DanielW, thanks, it maybe that after all |
12:03.29 | DanielW | Half-Left: and if it is stillt that slow write a bug report against it or come by to #nepomuk-kde and talk to trueg (well he is in vacation at the moment) |
12:03.34 | DanielW | -t |
12:04.52 | Half-Left | DanielW, ok will do |
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12:05.56 | DanielW | Half-Left: and another last thing. if it is that slow for you in dolphin... do you have build a current amarok and have music indext from strigi in nepomuk? would like to hear how fast is that for you. i test it here with a about 100 GB music collection and its quite usable but query for artist list is a little slow (1,2 seconds) other years around 0,2 to 0,05 seconds |
12:06.03 | annma | Half-Left: try to see what process is on |
12:06.45 | DanielW | years=are |
12:07.06 | thiago | __friedrich|: well, the icons were show in the correct size for a while |
12:07.17 | thiago | __friedrich|: now they are completely gone. I don't see any icons on the system tray. |
12:07.28 | Half-Left | DanielW, I've not tagged proper names yet, it's just got the default nepomuk tags |
12:07.35 | __friedrich| | thiago: umm, that is strange. |
12:07.47 | __friedrich| | try restarting plasma? kquitapp plasma && plasma & |
12:07.52 | thiago | __friedrich|: now I see three. |
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12:08.28 | thiago | __friedrich|: I'd done that before |
12:08.30 | DanielW | Half-Left: proper names? if you use strigi on your music it will write the tags (at least artist, album, title, tracknr) from the music files to nepomuk |
12:08.42 | thiago | now plasma lost its theme (glassified) and I've got black text on a black background |
12:08.55 | annma | thiago: this was an amarok bug |
12:09.00 | __friedrich| | thiago: that is an amarok2 bug |
12:09.02 | annma | thiago: you have amarok2, right? |
12:09.04 | __friedrich| | but it is fixed already |
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12:09.06 | annma | this WAS |
12:09.06 | __friedrich| | update amarok |
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12:09.15 | annma | update kdebase and amarok |
12:09.18 | thiago | annma: how can it be an amarok bug if amarok isn't running? |
12:09.26 | Half-Left | DanielW, You know how you go into dolphin and you can change the tag name of the picture, whatever, well there is a long tag already attached |
12:09.34 | thiago | annma: wait, it *is* running |
12:09.35 | annma | thiago: OK look in plasmarc what theme config you have |
12:09.38 | annma | AH |
12:09.53 | annma | just look what [Theme] is written in plasmarc |
12:09.55 | thiago | amarok killed |
12:10.09 | thiago | Glassified |
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12:10.33 | DanielW | Half-Left: and that is coming from strigi? uh never saw that here. maybe it is coming rom exif data of jpeg images |
12:11.09 | Half-Left | DanielW, Not sure but it's on the music files as well, want a screenshot? |
12:11.24 | thiago | __friedrich|: all system tray icons still gone |
12:11.29 | thiago | __friedrich|: restarted plasma several times now |
12:11.49 | ste | Hi. Could someone explain me how nepomuk is supposed to work? Or better, on which folders? Those related to strigi indexing? |
12:11.52 | __friedrich| | Half-Left: and... dolphin freezing and taking a long break on infoview is because nepomuk scans the whole file at that point, try infoview on a 2 GB movie.. |
12:12.05 | __friedrich| | ste: yes |
12:12.21 | __friedrich| | you can configure it in systemsettings -> extended -> nepomuk |
12:12.27 | DanielW | __friedrich|: its strigi doing that :-( |
12:12.52 | ste | __friedrich|: ok, so strigi scans and instructs nepomuk? |
12:12.53 | __friedrich| | but you can also just change the config in ~/.strigi/ |
12:12.54 | DanielW | and you can not disable that as it has nothing to do with nepomuk. but there is a bug report about it |
12:13.06 | __friedrich| | ste: yes |
12:13.26 | __friedrich| | DanielW: yeah, but I think dolphin tells nepomuk which then tells strigi to scan that file :) |
12:13.38 | __friedrich| | I disabled infoview because of that :/ |
12:14.57 | __friedrich| | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163050 <- this is the bug about strigi indexing big files and freezing dolphin that way |
12:14.59 | DanielW | __friedrich|: that is not correct. the only info from nepomuk there are the rating and the tags. strigi is controlled by nepomuk but that is the file indexing. the info view movie problem is related to strigi |
12:15.20 | __friedrich| | DanielW: yeah, I know. |
12:15.21 | ste | __friedrich|: ok, thanks. Is a GUI for nepomuk searches scheduled for 4.1 (pimoshell?)? |
12:15.35 | __friedrich| | I just thought dolphin makes nepomuk tell strigi to scan the file, sorry |
12:15.52 | __friedrich| | ste: I don't think so, but I don't really know. |
12:16.05 | __friedrich| | there are nice kioslaves in playground/nepomuk-kde/kioslaves |
12:16.06 | DanielW | __friedrich|: it happens with disabled nepomuk too. dolphin really uses the strigi analyzer there |
12:16.24 | __friedrich| | DanielW: I see, so I've been wrong about that, sorry. |
12:16.28 | DanielW | __friedrich|: but yeah it should ask nepomuk if it has already the data from that file, could be faster |
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12:16.47 | __friedrich| | although dolphin *should* ask nepomuk first about that file to save itself from scanning if it is in the db IMO |
12:17.02 | __friedrich| | hehe :) |
12:17.24 | __friedrich| | ste: playground/base/ is the path, sorry. |
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12:18.18 | Half-Left | DanielW, Soprano Components that will NOT be built: * Redland storage backend * Sesame2 storage backend (java-based) is that ok? |
12:18.28 | ste | __friedrich|: ok, thanks... after all nepomuk is one of the biggest news (beside gui), it would be a pity if not "published" to the users... |
12:18.31 | DanielW | ste: will not be there in 4.1. feature freeze now and sebastian in vacation. there are things in playground but they will not make it to kde before 4.2. that is sad as it makes nepomuk quite useless for the moment |
12:18.54 | DanielW | Half-Left: sesame2 is faster but as it uses java it uses more memory |
12:19.12 | ste | DanielW: that's a pity because it seems to me as the biggest new thing in KDE4 or so, beside the gui things |
12:19.14 | __friedrich| | ste: yeah, it is a pity. there aren't many ppl hacking on that part - I think only one developer. and just little testing is done :/ |
12:20.57 | DanielW | ste: it need also need to get more used from the applications. but that is at least happening in some of them. (kget, gwenview, amarok 2 (i am working on that), and i think the akonadi or kdepim guys are working on something) |
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12:21.56 | Half-Left | DanielW, So effectively nepomuk and strigi are one search system that every KDE application can use instead of their own? |
12:22.20 | __friedrich| | well, even just based on kioslaves they can.. |
12:22.57 | __friedrich| | imagine nepomuksearch:/tag:TODO in kate/kword/wherever |
12:23.11 | Half-Left | Yer I seen that blog about it |
12:23.33 | ziggy | will the integrated search features slow everything down? |
12:23.50 | DanielW | Half-Left: its not only about search. it should get a central store for metadata. the idea for amarok is, that uses nepomuk to store the metadata. so the ratings from amarok will be shown in dolphin and get edited there. or if a other media player do the same you could share the same data in amarok and that other thing. or a tagging application could operate on the same data as amarok |
12:23.55 | __friedrich| | no, only the process of scanning might get your machine busy |
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12:24.45 | Half-Left | DanielW, ok cool, so you tag in one app and the tagging will show up in another? |
12:24.51 | ziggy | but its going to be constantly scanning, no? |
12:24.56 | ziggy | at least as default |
12:25.12 | ziggy | or do you have to stop and do a scan or are there scheduled scans |
12:25.22 | DanielW | ziggy: well i think it will be optional and if the app devs do it right it should not make everything slow. in amarok it will be an alternative collection to the the sql one. but yeah it seems it will be somewhat slower than that |
12:25.49 | thiago | __friedrich|: I restarted the applications whose icons weren't showing and now they show. |
12:25.59 | thiago | __friedrich|: but I bet that if I restart plasma, they won't show again |
12:26.06 | DanielW | ziggy: if you use strigi it will scan from time to time. but if it has that one time it will only search for changes on your files |
12:26.11 | ziggy | i suppose theres no real way to get around that, easy search or speed, cant have it both ways |
12:28.14 | DanielW | but at the moment i would not recommend to use strigi on your complete home dir if you really have a lot of files |
12:30.17 | john_ | I have been tryint to compile kdesupport and am getting thie error |
12:30.22 | john_ | CMake Error: Akonadi requires Qt4 with QtDBus module in order to built |
12:30.28 | john_ | could some one help |
12:30.53 | thiago | is your Qt4 built with QtDBus support? |
12:31.10 | john_ | I would gess so |
12:31.13 | DanielW | at least not yet where there are still some bugs in soprano/nepomuk and (maybe strigi, not sure why strigi eats memory here) and as no program can make use of the data it is kinda useless (the strigi data in nepomuk) |
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12:31.52 | john_ | I have libQtDBus.la in qt-copy/lib |
12:32.04 | thiago | .la files mean nothing |
12:32.08 | thiago | where's the .so? |
12:32.28 | john_ | there is none |
12:33.03 | thiago | you've found your issue |
12:33.29 | john_ | Yes Thank you thiago |
12:33.43 | DanielW | doesn't nearly every kde app depend on qtdbus? |
12:33.51 | thiago | DanielW: not nearly every app |
12:33.53 | thiago | every app |
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12:35.40 | Half-Left | DanielW, I only have sesame python for my distro and only see binaries for sesame at sourceforge |
12:35.57 | Mirrakor | Anyone of you is using Kmymoney? |
12:35.59 | Half-Left | sesame2* |
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12:37.18 | DanielW | Half-Left: not sure, it doesn't exist in my distro too, but i am using the sesame backend. maybe it is in kdesupport together with soprano? |
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12:37.49 | sub|busy | hi :) |
12:37.52 | Half-Left | DanielW, Nope, I just compiled that, it's not showing it |
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12:38.23 | DanielW | Half-Left: does cmake say it is missing sesame? or does it just miss JNI? |
12:38.46 | Half-Left | yer, it want build the sesame java backend |
12:38.53 | Half-Left | won't* |
12:39.03 | DanielW | but why? it should say why |
12:39.26 | sub|busy | does anybody know what kind of license wallpapers that come with kde3.5 are published under? |
12:39.46 | thiago | sub|busy: GPL |
12:39.55 | sub|busy | thx thiago |
12:39.59 | Half-Left | DanielW, I see, no java JNI |
12:40.01 | DanielW | you need java installed any maybe JAVA_HOME set to point to it |
12:40.13 | DanielW | that is the problem with sesame2. it is written in java |
12:40.36 | Karsten_ | can any one help me my microfone doesnt functionaly sry for my bad english ;) |
12:40.53 | DanielW | nodes he should make test with the redland backend |
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12:48.27 | Rioting_pacifist | given that kde3 is no longer supported is it worth filing a bug report for its composting? |
12:48.57 | annma | its compositing? |
12:49.13 | annma | kde3 has no compositing that I know |
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12:49.23 | thiago | it had one |
12:49.30 | thiago | a primitive version, with some transparency support |
12:49.33 | GraveDigger | had? |
12:49.35 | kde_pepo | annma, kompmgr? |
12:49.42 | thiago | buggy, very buggy. |
12:49.50 | kde_pepo | and _shadows_ :) which kde4 does not have with XRender |
12:49.53 | thiago | some windows disappeared, for instance. |
12:50.00 | thiago | Rioting_pacifist: so, no, no point. |
12:50.09 | GraveDigger | and not very performant, BUT: existing |
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12:50.47 | Half-Left | DanielW, Did you install kdebindings? |
12:50.54 | DanielW | Half-Left: no |
12:50.59 | Half-Left | hmm |
12:51.09 | DanielW | Half-Left: if you get that jni error it can not find java |
12:51.20 | Rioting_pacifist | ahh well in 3.5.9 i found very stable, it just has a flash bug, but figured that was the case |
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12:52.06 | DanielW | Half-Left: i would suggest current sun jre or jdk and env var JAVA_HOME set to it (i have JAVA_HOME=/opt/java for example) |
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12:53.35 | DanielW | with that it has no problem with JNI and it builds sesame2 backend though i am not sure where it gets sesame2 from. i believe it there with soprano in kdesupport |
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12:56.51 | Half-Left | DanielW, hmmm well it's installed in /usr java jdk, kdesupport prefix is /usr as well :/ |
12:57.44 | DanielW | Half-Left: do you ahve JAVA_HOME set? |
12:58.00 | __friedrich| | and what about STRIGI_PLUGIN_PATH? |
12:58.04 | DanielW | Half-Left: printenv JAVA_HOME |
12:58.22 | DanielW | __friedrich|: do not have that and it works here |
12:58.39 | __friedrich| | ok |
12:59.00 | Half-Left | Looks liek not |
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12:59.28 | Half-Left | DanielW, Nope |
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12:59.58 | DanielW | Half-Left: set it |
13:00.01 | Half-Left | Whats the command to set that? |
13:00.02 | DanielW | before the build |
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13:02.04 | DanielW | Half-Left: export JAVA_HOME=/usr/java or what every the path is. but that is only for that run. if you want to store it i would put it in .bashrc or where every your distro puts global env vars |
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13:04.02 | jcarlos | Someone has been success compiling extragear/multimedia with kdesvn-build ? |
13:04.38 | thiago | jcarlos: I built it manually yesterday (not kdesvn-build) |
13:05.18 | jcarlos | thiago: I'm trying to compile it with kdesvn-build, but It is impossible for me ... :-( |
13:05.49 | thiago | do it manually |
13:05.52 | jcarlos | thiago: I'm trying to compile only amarok |
13:06.00 | DanielW | jcarlos: it had problem with k3b. but amarok builds (you can skip some of the apps in the kdesvn-build setings) |
13:06.13 | DanielW | jcarlos: then you can select amarok only |
13:06.17 | thiago | k3b doesn't build |
13:06.32 | thiago | wait, I think it does... after I fixed it |
13:06.37 | thiago | but amarok certainly does |
13:06.42 | Half-Left | DanielW, It seems there is no folder for java, it's either /usr/bin/java/ usr/share/java |
13:06.49 | jcarlos | DanielW: I have "checkout-only amarok" in my .kdesvn-buildrc ... |
13:07.10 | DanielW | jcarlos: oh can you paste the error somewhere? |
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13:07.32 | jcarlos | DanielW: Ok ... wait a minute ... |
13:07.41 | DanielW | i build amarok yesterday evening and there where only two commits since then, i do not think they broke it |
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13:08.39 | jcarlos | DanielW: http://rafb.net/p/bZFe5J42.html |
13:08.50 | jcarlos | jcarlos: Sorry but it is in Spanish ... |
13:09.05 | jcarlos | jcarlos: I can translate if you want ... |
13:09.17 | jcarlos | DanielW: Sorry but it is in Spanish ... |
13:09.21 | DanielW | well to bad that i am german and do not now a think about spanish :-/ |
13:09.25 | jcarlos | DanielW: I can translate if you want ... |
13:09.26 | DanielW | know |
13:09.44 | DanielW | it is missing the makefile? |
13:09.45 | jcarlos | DanielW: No target specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
13:10.09 | jcarlos | DanielW: What makefile is missed ? |
13:10.19 | DanielW | cmake should create it |
13:10.23 | jcarlos | jcarlos: kdesvn-build downloads sources from subversion |
13:10.42 | DanielW | paste build.log |
13:10.46 | jcarlos | DanielW: It generate the makefile from CMakeLists.txt ? |
13:10.53 | jcarlos | DanielW: OK |
13:11.07 | DanielW | and i am not sure if you pasted the correct file from the right folder |
13:11.55 | jcarlos | DanielW: I pasted the correct file. I'm absolutely sure. |
13:12.06 | DanielW | kdesvn/log/2008-06-16-01/extragear/multimedia/build-amarok-1.log <- that should it be with the current date |
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13:12.44 | jcarlos | DanielW: Mmmm ... in what date do you live ? .... ;-) |
13:13.46 | jcarlos | DanielW: Today is June 16. And this was my second try to compile |
13:14.01 | jcarlos | DanielW: Am I missing anythin ? |
13:14.02 | DanielW | yeah i have june 16 too. |
13:14.22 | DanielW | just paste the build-amarok file |
13:14.32 | jcarlos | DanielW: build.log is the same as error.log |
13:14.41 | riot | how do i change the popup-bubbles-text or background color? Using the high contrast black theme, its whiteish on whiteish :( |
13:14.50 | riot | (using kde 3.5) |
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13:14.52 | DanielW | jcarlos: ok i believe your .kdesvnrc is "broken" |
13:14.56 | jcarlos | DanielW: The same content again |
13:15.15 | jcarlos | DanielW: I can paste it. Do it ? |
13:15.16 | DanielW | jcarlos: can you paste the extragear/multimedia part of it? |
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13:15.22 | jcarlos | DanielW: OK |
13:16.04 | jcarlos | DanielW: http://rafb.net/p/ddhds930.html |
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13:16.22 | jcarlos | DanielW: Not much to look at, I suposse. |
13:16.32 | Half-Left | friggin java |
13:17.54 | DanielW | jcarlos: :-/ it is fine. try kdesvn-build --refresh-build extragear/multimeda |
13:18.05 | jcarlos | DanielW: OK |
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13:19.36 | jcarlos | DanielW: It's compiling now !!! |
13:19.45 | jcarlos | DanielW: Can you explain why ? |
13:21.18 | DanielW | jcarlos: i think you have tried it before somehow. maybe with everything from extra-gear multimedia. that rebuild thing delates everything (including cmakecache). so it just does a clean restart |
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13:22.05 | jcarlos | DanielW: I understand. Thanks very much !! |
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13:32.09 | nplus | is "taskbar thumbnails" working? |
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13:38.47 | dbglt | hrmm! |
13:39.04 | dbglt | when I right click on Network in the side-bar of DOlphin and do "hide", it doesn't get hidden |
13:39.10 | dbglt | (using kde4.1) |
13:39.17 | dbglt | does anyone else have the same issue? |
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13:42.15 | DanielW | dbglt: works here |
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14:00.31 | morhad | hi. how can I delete all shortcuts from kolorpaint (fedora 9). I do not want delete it manually from menu "settings->configure shortcut", this method need a lot of time |
14:01.11 | morhad | kolourpaint |
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14:10.31 | Aw0L | how do I make the kmenu transparrent? |
14:10.34 | Aw0L | transparent* |
14:10.41 | Aw0L | in 3.5 |
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14:13.49 | guax | Aw0L: kicker, the menu panels? |
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14:14.35 | Aw0L | guax, found it I think Control Panel > Appearances and themes > style > effects |
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14:14.45 | guax | oh |
14:14.49 | guax | Aw0L: ;) |
14:15.04 | Aw0L | thanks |
14:15.15 | Aw0L | I updated my system and my styles got changed somehow...I'm trying to fix it |
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14:26.09 | maverick | hello |
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14:26.22 | maverick | i am newone |
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14:40.31 | BlueG | if you are writing a script for use in kde, what would you use to get the name of a clicked file without the path? |
14:40.48 | pinotree | ? |
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14:42.07 | BlueG | I am writing a scriot for use in a service menu. $1 give the full path to the selected file. I want just the name. |
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14:42.43 | Jucato | %f I think |
14:42.47 | pinotree | no |
14:42.50 | Jucato | %u? |
14:42.56 | Trevelyan` | how do i get kde's mouse behaviour back to single click in left 'tree' pane, and double click in the left hand one and desktop? |
14:42.59 | pinotree | neither :) |
14:43.18 | Jucato | headdesks :) |
14:43.21 | Trevelyan` | it seems i can either have single or double click, not the mix of old |
14:43.27 | BlueG | well what is it then, pinotree? |
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14:43.37 | pinotree | man:basename |
14:43.48 | Trevelyan` | s/left hand/right hand/ |
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14:44.15 | BlueG | pinotree: ahhh, thx :-) |
14:44.35 | pinotree | the %u, %f, etc... give you what was passed. it's up to you take just the file name out of it |
14:44.52 | Jucato | ah ok.. "without the path".. didn't see that hahaha |
14:45.14 | BlueG | pinotree: what is the difference between %u %f and $1? |
14:45.21 | Jucato | was too busy chatting with annma to notice |
14:45.46 | pinotree | %u = any kind of URL, file:/, http://, etc |
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14:45.53 | pinotree | %f = a single local file |
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14:46.30 | BlueG | pinotree: how do you handle multiple files? |
14:46.49 | pinotree | always local or even from non-file protocols? |
14:47.31 | BlueG | pinotree: either |
14:47.42 | pinotree | grr |
14:47.46 | pinotree | %U |
14:48.25 | BlueG | %F for multiple local files? |
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14:49.37 | _CitizenKane_ | I'm running KDE4 trunk and when KDM starts I'm getting an error that says "No greeter widget plugin loaded. Check the configuration". Is there a way to fix this? |
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14:51.23 | annma | try a new user |
14:51.45 | Jucato | BlueG: http://docs.kde.org/kde3/en/kdebase/userguide/customizing-kde.html#desktop-icons-exec |
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14:51.59 | Jucato | (scroll down a bit if it doesn't direct to the exact section) |
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15:22.32 | la_mano | does anyone know how to disable kde from controlling the wallpaper? |
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15:26.19 | annma | la_mano: define "controlling" |
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15:29.34 | la_mano | never mind |
15:29.41 | la_mano | I figured out how to do it |
15:30.03 | la_mano | you go to advanced and can set a different program as the background program |
15:30.14 | la_mano | which was what I was wanting to do |
15:30.30 | la_mano | it is pretty sweet |
15:30.48 | la_mano | I have the screensaver flurry running as the wallpaper |
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15:32.02 | la_mano | all you have to do is go into advanced and define a new program to run as the wallpaper manager and then put in the command that xscreensaver uses to launch the screensaver |
15:32.13 | annma | :) |
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15:32.36 | la_mano | I am not sure how this will effect the actual screensaver |
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15:33.18 | la_mano | hehe |
15:33.30 | la_mano | no worries it still works just fine |
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15:44.05 | BlueG | how would you get the output of a kdialog menu or checklist (ie- the users selection) into a shell script variable? |
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15:45.58 | BlueG | ah, perhaps it would be something like: VAR=`kdialog` |
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15:51.51 | Aw0L | how do I get kdenlive back into one window? |
15:51.53 | Aw0L | that's obnoxious |
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16:06.33 | Rioting_pacifist | is there anything like cheese for kde? |
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16:06.45 | Pollywog | cheese? |
16:07.04 | Rioting_pacifist | cheese is a gnome app like photobooth on mac |
16:07.09 | Pollywog | oic |
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16:08.37 | Rioting_pacifist | finally got my webcam working (well for a second), i tried cheese but while good its too gnomey for my liking, limiting options incase the user has a brain freeze, etc |
16:10.00 | Pollywog | http://www.kde-apps.org/index.php?xcontentmode=222x223x224 |
16:10.03 | Pollywog | have a look there perhaps you will find something |
16:10.27 | Rioting_pacifist | got it in one thx |
16:11.58 | Rioting_pacifist | doh it meant cam asin camera but thx for the link anyway |
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16:13.42 | Pollywog | annma: the problems I was having putting together KDE4.1 were due to my not having changed my PATH in my .bashrc. Once I added QTDIR to the PATH it worked |
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16:15.18 | annma | ah Pollywog :) |
16:15.32 | annma | thanks for telling me |
16:15.40 | annma | I'm glad you are OK now |
16:15.41 | Pollywog | ty for helping |
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16:28.52 | BlueG | how would I get a shell script running in kde using kdialog, etc to take a password and become root? |
16:29.02 | Half-Left | aseigo, Wouldn't is be cool if you could have a option in the plasma folder view to show tags your created from nepomuk? |
16:30.17 | fred | Half-Left: you can |
16:30.35 | fred | Half-Left: http://nhnfreespirit.kollide.net/Nightrose/folderviewnepomuk.png |
16:30.46 | Half-Left | fred, I know you can, but you have to type the option in, I'm talking about a UI |
16:31.00 | Half-Left | I.e it shows your tags |
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16:31.46 | pinotree | BlueG: you use kdesu for executing apps as root |
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16:32.36 | BlueG | so, if I call kdesu from a script, can I get the rest of the script to run as root, or must I call a second script via kdesu? |
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16:42.43 | aseigo | Half-Left: you man the tags associated with individual files? |
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16:43.29 | Half-Left | aseigo, Yer, I just spoke to nightrose about actually |
16:44.04 | Half-Left | aseigo, Under the filter folder view you can have a option to show your tags rather than typing the whole line |
16:44.16 | aseigo | right.. |
16:44.29 | Half-Left | Same as Dolphin Info window where the tags are |
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16:47.24 | Fujisan | annma :) |
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16:47.59 | Half-Left | aseigo, here's what I mean, if you didn't get ,e :) http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3791/tagsnc5.png |
16:48.00 | Kame2 | in kde3 i have videos default opened with noatum. but it is'nt installed. is there a way to remove this assosiation without going to every filetype and remove it per hand? |
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16:49.41 | BlueG | If I run kdesu from a script, it doesn't seem to handle relative paths like: kdesu ./script.sh "Command ./script.sh not found" |
16:50.10 | BlueG | how do I pass an argument to kdesu with a relative path? |
16:50.38 | BlueG | or better, can I get root privileges /within/ a script, rather than using kdese to call another script? |
16:50.55 | BlueG | s/se/su |
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16:50.57 | aseigo | Half-Left: yeah, i know what you meant =) |
16:51.22 | Kame2 | kdesu "$(pwd)./" <- should work for relativ path |
16:52.08 | Kame2 | and for for the root without kde you can use: su -c command |
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16:56.09 | BlueG | Kame2: ok, that answers the rel path question, but what I meant by the other part is that I would like the script to take the root password and run the rest of itself as root rather than executing a separate script. using kdesu is fine if it will do that. |
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16:58.51 | BlueG | Kame2: ok, maybe pwd doesn't do what I want either... when executing from konqueror the working directory is the users home dir, not the one viewed in konqueror... |
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17:08.25 | BlueG | when executing a script from konqueror, how can it get the directory it is being executed from? |
17:08.37 | gonzaloaf | hi, why when I try to load some web pages with konqueror, konqueror ask me to download, or open *.do files with my another browser(firefox)? |
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17:21.47 | BlueG | how can a script find the directory it is being executed from? |
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17:22.23 | aseigo | $PWD? |
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17:24.59 | BlueG | aseigo: the problem is that when the script is launched from konqueror, the working directory is the users home directory, not the one containing the script. |
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17:30.40 | aseigo | BlueG: ah, known issue. you can, however, put %f or %u there to have the file or url put there |
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17:30.49 | aseigo | BlueG: (in your commands command line options) |
17:31.26 | aseigo | BlueG: then you can use dirname to get the directory from that =) |
17:32.18 | BlueG | ahhh, nice |
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17:33.45 | Pollywog | I compiled Kopete from svn but 'make install' does not copy the files to $HOME/kde/bin |
17:33.52 | Pollywog | http://rafb.net/p/EJ77Su29.html |
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17:34.13 | Pollywog | it wants to put them in /usr... |
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17:35.00 | BlueG | aseigo: dirname %f seems to only give me '.' |
17:35.29 | aseigo | BlueG: no.. have the .desktop file call your script like: |
17:35.36 | aseigo | blueg_script %f |
17:35.55 | aseigo | then it'll get called like: blueg_script /home/blueg/something/other/file.png |
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17:36.00 | aseigo | then you do: |
17:36.04 | aseigo | dirname $1 |
17:36.11 | aseigo | in your script and you'll get: /home/blueg/something/other |
17:38.16 | thiago_home | Pollywog: where did you tell cmake the prefix was? |
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17:38.59 | Pollywog | thiago_home: I do not recall but everything else was installed to the intended place |
17:39.32 | Pollywog | I guess I should compile it again and tell cmake where to put it |
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17:39.36 | Pollywog | thanks |
17:39.56 | HS^^ | anyone has screenshot of 4.1 |
17:41.25 | kdepepo | HS^^, http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.1-beta1.php |
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17:42.19 | BlueG | aseigo: I am not actually writing a .desktop file (perhaps I should), I am writing an executable bash script. Since I can't find a way for the script to take a password and gain root privileges for the remainder of the script, I am writing a script that calls the install script via kdesu, but I can't get it to find the script because it doesn't know what directory it is in. |
17:42.49 | BlueG | the scripts actually interact with the user via kdialog, so they can be run from konqueror |
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17:44.25 | BlueG | when I simply click and execute a script in konqueror that uses kdialog, how can it tell what directory it is located in? |
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17:47.27 | aseigo | BlueG: usually when running a script from konqueror, one uses a servicemenu .dsktop file... |
17:47.49 | aseigo | BlueG: but if you're just executing it directly by clicking on it .. hm.. don't know.. |
17:49.37 | Pollywog | I used cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/kde-devel/kde and I think it is working now |
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17:49.59 | BlueG | aseigo, it is an install script, so if it where a servicemenu it would itself need to be installed before it could install something else... |
17:50.39 | Pollywog | yes that did it |
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18:09.53 | BlueG | is it a security risk to take a password with kdialog --password, store it in a variable, and pipe it to other commands? |
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18:17.39 | kc8hfi | Is there not a storage media widget to add to the panel any more in kde4? |
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18:18.52 | Half-Left | Am I right in saying that phonon only needs to be supported by the app and phonon does the rest of the work for the audio backends? |
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18:27.03 | ivan_ | hi can someone help me with a problem im having regarding DESKTOP EFFECTS?? |
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18:27.58 | Half-Left | just ask |
18:28.56 | ivan_ | when i enable the desktop effects my computer goes black and restarts, when that happens i cant enver loggin again, i loggin and it sends me back to the loggin section, ive had to reinstall kubuntu 3 times because of this, and i have never had this problems with ubuntu i had compiz and it worked perfectCV< WHAT can i do to enable the DESKTOP EFFECTS and noy have this problem?? |
18:30.13 | ethan961_ | ivan_: that might be a better question for #kubuntu |
18:30.27 | ivan_ | they sent me here |
18:30.51 | PhilRod | ivan_: where and how are you enabling desktop effects? |
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18:31.46 | ivan_ | right click ion a window - configure window behavior- dektop effects-enable |
18:32.35 | ethan961_ | you could possible try #compiz-fusion, if they are around |
18:33.27 | daskreech | What video card are you using? |
18:33.33 | ethan961_ | oh, this is kwin compositing |
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18:34.03 | ivan_ | ati radeon x200 |
18:35.33 | hagabaka | there was a project called kaxul which aimed to run XUL apps with KDE widgets. does anyone know where it is now? |
18:36.41 | ivan_ | do i have to install any drivers or any application?? |
18:37.40 | Pollywog | Kopete crashes for me in KDE4.0 and 4.1 when I try sending messages, though not every time |
18:37.56 | PhilRod | Pollywog: do you have a backtrace? |
18:38.11 | annma | Pollywog: get the backtrace and pastebin it when it happens again |
18:38.16 | Pollywog | k |
18:38.42 | MSK61 | I'm using KDE in fedora 9 64-bit. When I open the "Sound" icon in the "System Settings", I get a list of ouput devices. They're all enabled except "NVidia CK804 with ALC850 (NVidia CK804)"; it's disabled. |
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18:38.45 | MSK61 | I ran /sbin/lsmod on the command line and saw that the two modules snd_intel8x0 and snd_ac97_codec are loaded, does anyone know why the nvidia output device still looks disabled in the sound of the system settings? |
18:40.45 | PhilRod | ivan_: if you're using kde 3 and you like compiz, you might just want to use that with kde. I expect you can find some details online about how to do that, but basically all you need to do is replace kwin with compiz |
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18:42.43 | ivan_ | PhilRod, im using kde |
18:42.53 | PhilRod | ivan_: kde 3? |
18:42.58 | ivan_ | 4 |
18:43.52 | PhilRod | ah, in that case, you're probably better off using the kwin effects |
18:44.03 | ivan_ | PhilRod, how do i use them |
18:44.05 | ivan_ | ?? |
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18:44.56 | ivan_ | PhilRod, if i enable the desktop effects form preferences in the kde menu i get that problem |
18:45.17 | dario | ivan_ i have an xpress200m and the only way to make effects work was to install new drivers from a ppa |
18:45.54 | ivan_ | dario, what is ppa?? Sorry im vey new at this |
18:46.46 | dario | ivan_ follow this howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/RadeonXpress |
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18:46.56 | dario | it worked well for me |
18:47.02 | ivan_ | dario, u got kde 4?? |
18:47.09 | dario | yes! |
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18:49.06 | qwe | How I copy files from left pane to right pane in Konqueror in Midnight Commander view profile? |
18:49.12 | ivan_ | dario, ok cool thanks man |
18:49.23 | dario | hope it helps |
18:50.12 | kc8hfi | kde4, how do I change the way the clock and date look? I |
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18:51.07 | annma | kc8hfi: digital clock? |
18:51.13 | kc8hfi | yeah |
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18:51.21 | kc8hfi | I |
18:51.27 | annma | right click and configure |
18:51.30 | kc8hfi | I'm having trouble finding the options on how to configure it |
18:52.06 | BlueG | can someone point me to an example of using kdialog --checklist in a shell script? |
18:52.13 | kc8hfi | there isn't much you can do there. can change the font, and the color |
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18:53.10 | annma | what more do yu want to change kc8hfi? |
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18:53.39 | BlueG | I am not sure how to check what the result was from kdialog --checklist |
18:54.15 | kc8hfi | annma: I'd like to switch it to a 12 hour clock instead of 24, and I want to change the format of the date. I'm hunting for the regional settings, maybe you're supposed to do that stuff there now |
18:54.40 | annma | System Settings indeed |
18:54.45 | annma | they are global settings |
18:55.31 | annma | you can set all that in System Settings -> Regional & Languages |
18:55.58 | kc8hfi | kde4 is gonna take some time getting used to I believe.... |
18:57.37 | annma | kc8hfi: this sort of setting was already at the same place in kde3 |
18:57.45 | annma | in KControl |
18:57.59 | kc8hfi | you could right click the clock, and choose date/time format. |
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18:58.22 | kc8hfi | I was looking for something similar to that, but it's not there, which is fine. |
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18:58.51 | kc8hfi | annma: and yeah, its in the same spot as in kde3 |
18:59.29 | BlueG | I see a suggestion to use kdialog --checklist with the --separate-line option to make it easier to parse, but I am not sure how to handle that either |
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19:00.34 | kc8hfi | annma: is there something like kpersonalizer now? |
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19:01.44 | annma | kc8hfi: no, it's gone |
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19:03.07 | litb | hmm |
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19:03.35 | litb | the one footballer in this eurocup game looks like aaron seigo |
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19:06.37 | ivan_ | dario, can i have the link again please i restarted the comp |
19:07.06 | andresj | hey anybody else notice that opendesktop.org websites are unstable right now? (cant connect 20% of the time) |
19:08.09 | BlueG | is there a parameter for specifying the size of a kdialog box? |
19:08.28 | dario | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/RadeonXpress |
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19:12.21 | BlueG | how can I designate a path in a script relative to the kdedir? I thought I could use $KDEDIR, but that didn't work |
19:13.06 | shadok | BlueG: try the command 'env' and pick the good var |
19:13.20 | BlueG | shadok: what do you mean? |
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19:13.42 | shadok | 'env' lists all your environnement variables |
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19:14.24 | BlueG | shadok: according to env KDEDIR=/usr/kde/3.5 which is what I want, but it doesn't work in my script |
19:14.53 | BlueG | perhaps the problem is how to get that substituted into a path given to a command in the script |
19:15.13 | Kraplax | just watched aseigo's screencast |
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19:15.28 | Kraplax | that's really interesting ) |
19:15.31 | ivan_ | dario, in case i enable the effects and my problem starts again how can i make my kubuntu work from filsafe session?? |
19:15.37 | shadok | maybe you have a special syntax for variables in that language BlueG |
19:15.52 | Kraplax | i recommend you to have a deep look ) |
19:15.53 | BlueG | shadok: its a shell script |
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19:17.13 | Kraplax | and even though not so many different appliances (like FTP or using of filters) of FolderView was shown, though, i never seen that fullscreen mode ) |
19:18.10 | Kraplax | i hope now people would understand how powerfull plasma is (as well as folderview and KDE4 in common). |
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19:18.24 | ivan_ | if my x session fails how can i fix my kubuntu from failsafe session?? |
19:18.30 | Kraplax | aseigo, thank you for your work |
19:18.40 | BlueG | I am trying to cp /path/file $KDEDIR/newpath, I also tried cp /path/file "$KDEDIR"/newpath but neither of these works, the variable part is ignored |
19:18.50 | Kraplax | really, well done ) |
19:19.28 | dario | ivan_: you have to edit rm $KDEHOME but this will delete all your settings of kde apps |
19:20.10 | pusling | points dario and ivan_ to /topic |
19:20.58 | ivan_ | dario, i dont care what i have to do i just dont want to install kubuntu again |
19:21.05 | ivan_ | dario, how do i modify that?? |
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19:22.09 | engineer | ivan_ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
19:22.16 | shadok | BlueG: it's certainly not the best way to do that but cp /path/ `echo $KDEDIR`/newpath should do it |
19:22.38 | Pollywog | I am having trouble with Kopete and I want to know if the apps in beta1 are compiled with debugging enabled by default |
19:22.52 | Pollywog | I am unable to get gdb to do anything |
19:22.52 | aseigo | Kraplax: thanks =) |
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19:23.28 | aseigo | Kraplax: and yeah, any applet can be very easily promoted to Containment which allows it to be used in "full screen" mode |
19:23.34 | Kraplax | aseigo: yeah, go on, rock tha plasma and KDE4 ) |
19:23.44 | Kraplax | cool |
19:23.45 | ivan_ | thanks |
19:23.51 | ivan_ | im gonna try it see ya later |
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19:24.24 | Kraplax | i didn't know that fuulscreen thing. i thought one would need manually 'maximize' a containment |
19:24.24 | Pollywog | I went to the directory that has Kopete and I did 'gdb kopete' but nothing happens |
19:24.34 | aseigo | Kraplax: for scripted widgets (e.g. ecmascript, python, etc) we can actually do the promotion at *runtime* |
19:24.52 | Pollywog | so I wonder if it was compiled for debugging |
19:24.59 | Kraplax | what does promotion means? |
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19:25.11 | pusling | aseigo: are there any ecmascript applet templates ? ;) |
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19:25.56 | shadok | BlueG: if there is only one path listed in your variable, cp $KDEDIR will work, if not you could cut it in pieces |
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19:27.09 | aseigo | pusling: there's the example ones, but no ready made templates. ruphy's been working on those; we should have them ready for 4.1.x where x > 0 |
19:27.44 | BlueG | shadok: it is almost like the environment variable doesn't exist within the script... echo $KDEDIR works from the commandline, but not within the script |
19:28.19 | pusling | okay |
19:29.05 | shadok | BlueG: sorry, i'm totally illiterate in coding, ican't help you with that, you could try ##linux, you're likely to get help there |
19:30.34 | Kraplax | aseigo: i can't really get 1 thing. i understand that in future one could use plasmoids over net via browsers, or on their PDAs and such things.. but kind of plasmoid could that be, that one might ever need in his homepage/browser? (i'm not that fan of all those clocks, though the last version of analog clocks is really a masterpiece) |
19:31.33 | Kraplax | *what kind of plasmoid.. |
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19:36.32 | BlueG | apparently KDEDIR isn't accessible from a shell script, is there anyother way to get location of the users kde installation? |
19:36.55 | aseigo | kde-config or kde-config4 (depending on kde3 or kde4) |
19:37.03 | aseigo | e.g.: kde-config4 --prefix |
19:37.24 | Kraplax | ok, it's late... i'd better be off sleeping. Just would really appreaciate the answer on my question even just reading it in the morning.. |
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19:41.17 | zizzfizzix | is there any way to make panels smaller? |
19:41.25 | zizzfizzix | like in gnome or omething |
19:41.29 | zizzfizzix | something* |
19:43.02 | zizzfizzix | of course in KDE 4.1 beta :) |
19:43.26 | ethan961 | smaller? |
19:43.38 | ethan961 | they are pretty small already |
19:43.51 | pusling | zizzfizzix: you can just make it smaller |
19:44.06 | pusling | zizzfizzix: pull out the panel configurotion thingie and pull it downwards |
19:44.20 | zizzfizzix | wow |
19:44.29 | zizzfizzix | thanks pusling!!! |
19:44.35 | zizzfizzix | i'm blind |
19:44.37 | zizzfizzix | :) |
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19:44.46 | pusling | I don't think it is obvious until you are told ;) |
19:45.01 | zizzfizzix | you're absolutely right |
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19:45.09 | zizzfizzix | it should be fixed i think |
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19:45.21 | zizzfizzix | i hope :) |
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19:48.41 | zizzfizzix | huh now it looks more gnomish than ever, i had disguisting coupling with windows... thanks again pusling |
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19:48.50 | pusling | euww.. gnomish |
19:49.11 | zizzfizzix | it's just better.. |
19:49.23 | zizzfizzix | not like windows though |
19:49.25 | zizzfizzix | :) |
19:50.58 | zizzfizzix | and maybe someone know if there is any way to pool down this thingie in right top corner of desktop? |
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19:51.26 | pusling | just move it and resize it - use the arrows in the configuration thingie |
19:52.31 | zizzfizzix | i'm not talking about panels |
19:52.47 | zizzfizzix | it's the main configuration thing |
19:52.50 | zizzfizzix | of desktop |
19:52.57 | zizzfizzix | it the right top corner |
19:53.03 | zizzfizzix | can i move it? |
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20:06.25 | BlueG | sudo seems to wipe out the KDEDIR environment variable, how can I still findout where the users kde installation is? |
20:07.11 | BlueG | aseigo: ahh, I just saw what you wrote, let me try that |
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20:08.19 | Sulo | hi |
20:08.23 | Sulo | deneme |
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20:10.44 | BlueG | aseigo: excellent! that seems to work now |
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20:22.27 | BlueG | is alt+F2 for the run dialog fairly standard? |
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20:24.08 | zizzfizzix | and what is the question? |
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20:35.29 | bbelt16ag | hey guys |
20:35.33 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
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20:35.59 | bbelt16ag | is it possible to ssh into a remote server and execute a su to root ? so I could have a session for this? |
20:36.03 | bbelt16ag | in konsole |
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20:37.26 | ThomasD | a su to root? |
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20:49.53 | x86 | I'm trying to make it so KDM _only_ gives KDE as a session option for users |
20:50.08 | x86 | I'm running Debian Etch, anyone have an idea where to go about this? |
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20:50.38 | x86 | it's showing Gnome even though I don't have that installed |
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20:59.48 | BlueG | when a user unpacks a .tar.gz, anything that was executable should generally still be executable, right? |
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21:01.16 | GraveDigger | BlueG: sure |
21:02.15 | GraveDigger | BlueG: that does, however, not mean, that the filesystem below and the security settings on your system actually ALLOW execution |
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21:02.15 | GraveDigger | BlueG: like mount -o noexec |
21:02.30 | BlueG | so there is no point in an install script trying to make the file executable, if it was marked executable when it was packed, it still should be when its unpacked and copied to the proper location |
21:03.08 | GraveDigger | basically.... yes |
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21:15.42 | kurat-1a | hello |
21:15.57 | kurat-1a | anybody here? |
21:16.10 | GraveDigger | no |
21:16.11 | GraveDigger | all gone |
21:16.21 | kurat-1a | deem |
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21:21.40 | BlueG | would anyone mind looking over this konqueror servicemenu package I made for getting md5 and sha1 checksums? http://b3.dyndns.tv/KonqCheckSum/ |
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21:22.02 | BlueG | Let me know if something in there looks wrong. |
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21:23.53 | nekostar | hey |
21:24.08 | nekostar | ive noticed that today kmess cant log in.. anyone else having same problem? |
21:24.15 | HappySmileMan | Yes, with kopete |
21:24.31 | nekostar | ive had no problems yet with pidgin |
21:25.02 | HappySmileMan | Right now I can't log in, a few minutes ago I could log in but not send messages, whenever I tried it said my contact was offline |
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21:25.17 | nekostar | o wait |
21:25.19 | nekostar | sigh |
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21:25.28 | nekostar | i signed off on my pidgin and went to sign in |
21:25.35 | nekostar | looks like their all effecteed |
21:25.36 | HappySmileMan | Not working again? |
21:25.58 | nekostar | probably on thier end is my guess |
21:26.08 | HappySmileMan | Well MSN itself is messing up probably |
21:26.10 | nekostar | thats rather annoying |
21:26.11 | nekostar | yeah |
21:26.20 | nekostar | why dont we look for alternate msn servers |
21:26.25 | nekostar | o shit |
21:26.27 | nekostar | your london? |
21:26.31 | nekostar | i'm los angeles.... |
21:26.50 | nekostar | can we get an afrika, australian, and southamerican plz? |
21:26.55 | nekostar | and perhaps one asian |
21:26.57 | nekostar | ;_; |
21:27.00 | HappySmileMan | I'm Ireland |
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21:27.29 | nekostar | i get a better error from pidgin: connection error from Notification server: Writing error |
21:27.53 | foucist | hello folks, i'm connecting to my box via vnc, and kde is only showing little boxes instead of actual text.. it looks like some sort of font or unicode issue |
21:28.05 | foucist | i'm guessing a path problem |
21:28.16 | foucist | any ideas how to fix this? |
21:29.21 | nekostar | foucist vnc is based on encoding jpeg |
21:29.29 | nekostar | so i doubt thats the problem right off... |
21:29.47 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
21:29.55 | bbelt16ag | I get better download speeds during a storm... |
21:30.03 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
21:30.06 | bbelt16ag | I love my ups |
21:30.09 | nekostar | lulz |
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21:31.35 | HappySmileMan | Accoridng to different server, MSN is down in UK, Australia and parts of US |
21:31.43 | foucist | nekostar: http://www.evolutation.com/files/kde-vnc.png |
21:32.22 | nekostar | wtf.. |
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21:40.37 | Heishiro | Venezuela... No msn here. |
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21:43.27 | poypoy | hi whot channal wuld i go to to get help with makeing a websit |
21:44.20 | blauzahl | #html? |
21:44.29 | poypoy | i guess so |
21:44.35 | blauzahl | #kde-chat maybe? |
21:44.50 | blauzahl | people are live at random times there |
21:44.57 | poypoy | i will try it thx |
21:45.07 | blauzahl | np |
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21:46.56 | nekostar | foucist |
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21:47.05 | nekostar | i was thinking about it over a cigarette |
21:47.10 | foucist | yay |
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21:47.12 | nekostar | the only thing i can think of is two fold |
21:47.22 | nekostar | 1. make sure settings on vnc are high enough. |
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21:47.41 | nekostar | 2. make sure local and remote default languages are the same |
21:48.06 | foucist | hmm |
21:48.07 | nekostar | i dont recall offhand how to configure locales on centos, though, sorry |
21:48.17 | nekostar | also in the future |
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21:48.24 | nekostar | blur that bit out on the top ok? |
21:48.38 | foucist | oops |
21:48.41 | nekostar | ^^ |
21:48.55 | nekostar | didnt fully show it but enough to guess if one has a couple boxes thar |
21:49.35 | nekostar | hey HappySmileMan msn working for me again, give er a sh ot |
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21:51.19 | HappySmileMan | Logged in, but of course the person i was talking to isn't :P |
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21:59.26 | Half-Left | Get new stuff for plasmoids :) |
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22:25.56 | ciacon | Hi folks - how can I prevent konqueror from saving logins on websites? I love to have that off - keeps my mind jogging ;-) |
22:27.42 | Half-Left | aseigo, It's amazing how many people are just stupid and dont get your video, sorry |
22:27.47 | _lemma | ciacon: generally speaking, don't click the "save" button :) |
22:28.44 | _lemma | ciacon: though I'm sure there's a more elegant way |
22:28.55 | Half-Left | I bet some people said the same about round wheels, it will NEVER work |
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22:41.32 | daskreech | Half-Left: Welcome to the world of computing |
22:42.15 | daskreech | I never get how high end foss Devs and Future computing researchers live |
22:42.33 | daskreech | So KDE devs are probably running daily builds of KDE |
22:42.38 | daskreech | They can |
22:42.55 | daskreech | 't really see the world from a KDE 4.0 perspective |
22:43.15 | daskreech | It's hard to remember what that was like :) |
22:43.36 | daskreech | Course the cool part is soon we will find it hard to remember what that was like as well :) |
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22:52.52 | halcyonCorsair | can anyone tell me why i'm getting openoffice when i click a .txt url from konversation or konqueror? |
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23:11.28 | cb400f | halcyonCorsair: no.. but you can configure that in settings -> configure konq -> file associations |
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23:30.18 | Invisionfree | Hi -- How can I install a custom .cur I downloaded? Mandriva One Spring and whatever KDE vers. it comes with. |
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23:32.14 | Ekras | <PROTECTED> |
23:32.21 | Ekras | get that error when I try to run kde |
23:32.26 | Ekras | any ideas anyone? |
23:33.44 | Invisionfree | Hi -- How can I install a custom .cur I downloaded? Mandriva One Spring and whatever KDE vers. it comes with. |
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23:34.15 | rubengonc | hello |
23:34.37 | rubengonc | whats the difference between kde 4.0.80 and kde 4.0.82? |
23:35.08 | rubengonc | i know that kde 4.0.80 is the equivalent to kde4.1 beta 1 |
23:35.09 | Ekras | .0.0.02 |
23:35.20 | rubengonc | what about 4.0.82? |
23:35.29 | rubengonc | Ekras, wise answer |
23:35.51 | iuso | 0.0.02 closer to beta 2 |
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23:36.20 | rubengonc | iuso, is there any way to view the changelog between them? |
23:36.32 | Pollywog | if I compile Kopete 4.1 b1 with the options |
23:36.39 | Pollywog | cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug |
23:36.40 | iuso | rubengonc: i don't know |
23:36.40 | Jucato | not really. there's no autogenerated changelog for snapshots |
23:36.44 | pinotree | rubengonc: no |
23:36.46 | Pollywog | will that enable debugging? |
23:37.01 | pinotree | Pollywog: just for kopete symbols |
23:37.16 | Pollywog | k I think that is what I want |
23:37.51 | rubengonc | pinotree, do you know if any distro (or about any script) that builds "daily snapshots"? |
23:37.54 | Invisionfree | Hi -- How can I install a custom .cur I downloaded? Mandriva One Spring and whatever KDE vers. it comes with. |
23:38.08 | pinotree | Invisionfree: hi -- having patience would be not a bad idea |
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23:39.19 | pinotree | they are not daily; and you should more ask them |
23:39.39 | Ekras | <PROTECTED> |
23:39.41 | Ekras | any ideas anyone? |
23:39.43 | Ekras | get that error when I try to run kde |
23:40.01 | pinotree | Ekras: same as Invisionfree: patience |
23:40.10 | rubengonc | pinotree, ask them? |
23:40.18 | pinotree | to the distros |
23:40.23 | rubengonc | oh... |
23:41.54 | Invisionfree | SOMEONE has to have an idea .. |
23:42.18 | Jucato | what is a .cur? |
23:42.28 | Invisionfree | cursor |
23:43.17 | Jucato | isn't sure if X uses .cur for cursor themes... tries to check |
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23:48.55 | boggystudios | does anyone here have a Sansa View? |
23:49.21 | Jucato | Invisionfree: based on some sampling of cursors found in kde-look.org, I don't think .cur are X cursor themes. I believe they are for Windows |
23:49.53 | Invisionfree | Jucato: Well .. since the odds of finding one of these for Linux is less than none ... is there a way to convert it? |
23:50.03 | Jucato | no idea |
23:50.16 | Jucato | have you tried searching in kde-look.org for something similar? |
23:50.48 | Invisionfree | What filetype do I need |
23:51.23 | Invisionfree | And nope, nothing on kde-look.org |
23:52.03 | Jucato | what filetype? X11 cursor. it's not something like .cur or .png |
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23:55.48 | Invisionfree | Jucato: You know how to turn a CUR into PNG? |
23:55.56 | Jucato | nope |
23:56.17 | Jucato | and I doubt that turning it into a PNG will make an X11 cursor theme |
23:56.28 | Ekras | . |
23:56.36 | Invisionfree | I found a way to turn a collection of PNGs into a cursor set |
23:56.42 | Invisionfree | http://www.linuxcommand.org/man_pages/xcursorgen1.html |
23:56.49 | Jucato | ah |
23:56.52 | Jucato | good |
23:57.58 | Invisionfree | But I can't seem to find any .png files of the cursor I want, and I'd hate to have to install Windows .. |