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00:05.06g2g591hello
00:05.36cmdlnWhen running kde4 my background picture regularly does not fill the entire screen
00:05.58cmdlnany ideas?
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00:06.37Pollywogchange the resolution?
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00:07.18panagoscmdln: maybe you didn't configure how it will stretch?
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00:07.38Pollywogctrl-alt-+ might help
00:07.45cmdlnno it takes up at most the left top quadrant, and the little glowing thing that should be in the top right corner is in the middle of the screen
00:07.46Pollywogthe + from the keypad
00:08.00Pollywogoh
00:08.11Pollywogmaybe you need to configure X
00:08.21cmdlnit works fine in kde3
00:08.26Pollywogare you using a Debian derivative?
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00:08.30cmdlnyes
00:08.49Pollywogif it works in kde3 I don't think it is the problem
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00:09.03cmdlnits something specific to kde4
00:09.07Pollywogyes
00:09.10Pollywogso it seems
00:10.19Pollywogcmdln: did you install KDE4 from backports?
00:11.04Pollywogand are you running Hardy Heron?
00:11.24cmdlnmmm if I use xrander and change the res to 1600x1024 it fills the screen properly, but changing back to 1900x1200 the background image seems to stay at 1600x1024
00:11.28cmdlnyes Im running hardy
00:11.48Pollywogare you using Nvidia drivers?
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00:12.26Pollywogwhen you installed KDE 4.1 beta 1 did you first do a dist-upgrade?
00:13.19cmdlnprobably
00:13.23cmdlnit was a while back
00:13.26cmdlncant remember
00:13.45Pollywogbecause if you didn't, it's probable that you have packages that need upgrading
00:14.53Pollywogdeb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main
00:15.00Pollywogthat is where I got mine
00:15.32Pollywogbut before installing kde4 from there I did a dist-upgrade
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00:18.12ma3xwhy the scrolling in kde skips?
00:18.14ma3xin iceweasel too
00:18.21ma3xit's not smooth
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00:20.01DHowettanyone else note that when compositing is turned on (via kwin OR compiz), the plasma dashboard (ctrl-F12) has a completely white background?
00:20.05DHowettor is that just my hardware
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00:24.59dicemankde is great
00:25.03dicemanje suis la
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00:33.05cmdlnwell deleting my .kde4 directory fixes the background issue
00:33.08cmdlnat least for now
00:33.38cmdlnI need to get a better grasp on what causes it to stop being 1900x1200
00:33.43cmdlnthen i can report a bug
00:34.03cmdlnanother thing that bugs me .... no 12 hour setting for the clock in the panel?
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00:37.30cmdlnah way under country/Region and language settings
00:37.46cmdlnboy kde4 useability is just lacking imho
00:37.53iCEiferanyone know how well KDE 4 would run with compiz on a single core 1.5ghz with 1gb RAM and a 32MB video card?
00:38.04cmdlnprolly not well
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00:39.07iCEiferhmmm, mostly due to the ram or everything? :)
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00:40.32cmdlnvideo card id say
00:40.32cmdlnwhat kind of video card?
00:40.32cmdlnit might be ok
00:40.32cmdlnid just try it
00:40.35cmdlnif it sucks you can always run something else
00:40.37cmdln:)
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00:41.07cmdlnbut i wouldnt expect much from a 32M video card
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00:41.10iCEiferATI Radeon mobility 7500 or 9000
00:41.29iCEiferyeah....are you running 4 or 3.5.9?
00:41.39iCEiferI read that 4 takes up less resources?
00:42.50iCEiferI've been trying KDE, Gnome, and Xfce and just running the same type of apps and it pretty much seems that the amount of physical mem I have left stays about the same and I don't really notice any performance difference between them :)
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00:44.09cmdlnim running 4
00:44.21cmdlnits faster  or so i percieve
00:44.29cmdlnbut i dont think compiz would be very good
00:45.14iCEiferheh
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00:55.45iCEiferthanx for all the info.
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01:00.53Pollywogcan anyone tell me why I can't compile kdelibs from trunk?  I can pastebin the errors
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01:04.45JucatoPollywog: please pastebin. I could take a peek. but no promises
01:04.53Pollywogk ty
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01:06.51Pollywoghttp://rafb.net/p/SgCInn26.html
01:07.02Pollywogjucato: http://rafb.net/p/SgCInn26.html
01:08.54JucatoCannot process input: '/home/kde-devel/kde/build/KDE/kdelibs/kdeui/org.kde.KWallet.xml'. Stop.
01:08.58Pollywogyes
01:09.02Jucatothat's your error. unfortunately I have no idea :(
01:09.10Pollywogwhat does kwallet have to do with anything though?
01:09.13Pollywogk
01:09.14Pollywogty
01:09.27PollywogI wall ask annma next time I see her
01:09.40Jucatobtw, you don't have to rerun cmakekde again and again
01:09.48Pollywogk
01:09.53Jucato"make VERBOSE=1" would do
01:09.54PollywogI wondered about that
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01:10.23Jucatocmakekde will go through the "./configure" (or rather, "cmake") part again
01:11.00Pollywogso when I install whatever is missing, I can just run 'make'?
01:11.09Jucatoas for what kwallet has to do with it, kwallet is KDE's wallet subsystem. it's in kdelibs (you're probably thinking of kwalletmanager, the GUI utility to manage wallets)
01:11.13Pollywogor should I clean first
01:11.37Jucatodunno if make clean works. usually plain "make" would do it
01:11.42Pollywogk
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01:11.58Pollywogif I clean, I would have to configure again
01:12.03PollywogI think
01:12.09Jucatonot sure
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01:12.24Jucatoif you remove the build directory, then yes, you'll have to anyway
01:12.26PollywogI did install kdesupport
01:12.41Pollywogafter I installed Qt
01:12.53PollywogI installed qt-copy actually
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01:32.58derek_kPollywog: start with a clean source tree, and see if the problem goes away
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01:41.47Pollywogderek_k: I already tried that, got the same result
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01:45.16derek_kPollywog: paste your cmake results. you may be missing some xml library or something. I just built kdelibs a few hours ago
01:45.48Pollywoghttp://rafb.net/p/SgCInn26.html
01:45.54Pollywogdid you see that?
01:46.20derek_kPollywog: yes.
01:46.21PollywogI installed kdesupport and Qt before that
01:46.23Pollywogk
01:46.28derek_kPollywog: cmake .
01:47.03PollywogI should do cmake instead of cmakekde?
01:48.48derek_kPollywog: i'm not familiar with those scripts.
01:49.36Jucatoderek_k: cmakekde basically is cmake with some default variables. it also makes sure you're building out of the source directory (which KDE4 doesn't allow)
01:49.52Jucatoit also runs make and make install after cmake
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01:57.35derek_kPollywog: perhaps it a mixup of qt3 and qt4 tools
01:57.44derek_kPollywog: or not seeing the qt build tools
01:59.13Pollywogyes I also think it is something like a mixup of versions
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01:59.50Jucatowhat does "qmake -v" say?
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02:00.53Pollywogyes, that is the problem   thanks Jucato
02:01.32Jucatomake sure that $QTDIR is set properly and that your path puts it (Qt 4) before the other paths
02:01.35Jucatoright.. gone now
02:02.06Pollywogoh yes I forgot about the PATH
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02:02.48PollywogI will need to remove the Kubuntu stuff and install Ubuntu and just keep the Qt4 stuff
02:03.03Pollywogthat would be the easier thing to do
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02:04.42PollywogI also have an unused laptop that I could use for KDE4
02:05.23PollywogI could then keep this system as-is and just remove the KDE4 stuff
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02:16.35JucatoPollywog: no need to remove Kubuntu Qt 4 stuff (which is actually needed by Kubuntu)
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02:16.50Jucatojust make sure your QTDIR is set properly. the .bashrc should take care of the rest
02:17.04PollywogI mean I am going to remove the KDE 4.1 devel stuff
02:17.08Jucatoah
02:17.10Pollywogand use the laptop
02:17.11Jucato:P
02:17.31Pollywogthen there will be no conflicts since it will be a Gnome system :)
02:17.54Jucatooh the conflict is that it has a Gnome system :)
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02:18.29Pollywogbut it will only need the one Qt
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02:19.36PollywogI have managed two KDE versions before but for some reason I am unable to manage it now
02:20.12Pollywogeven with KDEDIR and QTDIR properly set for the kde-devel user
02:20.27Jucatodoes your .bashrc add those to the PATH?
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02:21.48PollywogJucato: yes
02:21.53Pollywogno
02:21.56Jucato...
02:22.01Pollywognot exactly
02:22.17PollywogI think I needed to change my PATH and I did not do that
02:22.39PollywogI left the PATH as-is and just added export KDEDIR
02:22.44Pollywogand QTDIR
02:23.13Jucatoyou can always check echo $PATH :)
02:24.54Pollywoghome/kde-devel/kde/bin:/usr/local/bin:/home/kde-devel/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
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02:25.20Jucatothe QTDIR path seems to be missing
02:25.37Pollywogyes I put that at the bottom of .bashrc
02:25.59Pollywogas export QTDIR=/home/kde-devel/qt
02:26.04Jucatonot necessary actually, there are lines in the .bashrc that take care of that
02:26.15Jucatoah that would be why
02:26.21PollywogI thought I could do it either way
02:26.34Jucatoyou put it at the bottom, but the .bashrc adds $QTDIR/bin to $PATH at the top
02:26.55Jucatowell, in this case, no. $QTDIR should be set *before* it is added to the $PATH
02:27.04Pollywogk
02:27.14Jucatosee the Qt section of the .bashrc file
02:27.34Pollywogmaybe I should try that first before I resort to the laptop
02:27.49Pollywogthanks for the advice  :)
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02:39.24Pollywog/home/kde-devel/kde/bin:/usr/local/bin:/home/kde-devel/bin:/home/kde-devel/qt/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
02:39.26Pollywog
02:39.42PollywogI wonder if that will take care of it
02:41.13Jucato"qmake -v" and "which qmake" to be sure
02:41.38Pollywog-v says it's all good
02:41.58Pollywogwhich qmake agrees
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02:43.21Pollywogit says "all external packages found" but it said that before
02:43.49PollywogI will know in the morning if this worked
02:44.00Pollywogthanks for all the help  :)
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03:01.34cheater-conradhey, how can i change the k menu to the old kde 3.x style
03:01.38cheater-conradi hate it, it's confusing
03:02.22Jucatowhat KDE version? 4.0 or 4.1 beta?
03:02.41cheater-conrad4.05
03:03.27Jucatocheater-conrad: when you right-click on the kmenu icon, does it say something about Switch to classic menu style?
03:04.00cheater-conradno, it says:
03:04.08cheater-conradApplication launcher settings
03:04.13cheater-conradPanel Settings
03:04.15cheater-conradand add widget
03:04.20Jucatohm ok.
03:04.51cheater-conradand how do you make the digital clock smaller and not in military time
03:05.14Jucatoyou'll have to do it manually. you'll have to add the Application Launcher Menu and then remove the Application Launcher. right-click on the desktop, click on Add Widgets. look for the Application Launcher Menu and *drag and drop* it from the list to the place in the panel
03:06.29cheater-conradJucato, how do you move the panel launcher from one side of the task bar to the other
03:07.07Jucatoyou can't yet
03:07.18Jucatoyou'll have to drop it in the right place
03:07.40cheater-conraddammit
03:07.54troycheater-conrad: I think riccardo was working on that code today - not sure if he committed it yet
03:07.56cheater-conradthis is annoying, i have to close everything to get to the left side of the taskbar
03:08.03cheater-conradlol
03:08.10cheater-conradanyways, how about turning the clock non-military
03:08.16cheater-conrador is that not available yet
03:08.25cheater-conradbrb
03:08.32troycheater-conrad: it should obey your KDE wide preferences, does it not?
03:08.47troy(and since most of the world uses 24 hour time, you get that as default)
03:09.24troyI'm talking to air! :P or virtual irc air :)
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03:09.55Pollywoghe is back
03:09.56cheater-conradthis is really frustrating
03:10.05cheater-conradJucato, i cant add anything anywhere except the right side
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03:10.12cheater-conradit automatically drops it there
03:10.47cheater-conradnow my kmenu is traditional style but it's on the wrong side :(
03:12.31Pollywogbtw Jucato, it worked, kdelibs is now at about 40% of completion, so it is way past the point where it stopped compiling earlier
03:12.58DanielWcheater-conrad: you can drag and drop it out of the add applets dialog to the place on the panel where you want it to
03:14.12Jucatocheater-conrad: did you drag from the list to the panel in the correct place? or did you just click Add Widgets or just dropped anywhere on the panel?
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05:07.40MaxHeadroomHello, am using kickoff menu in kde 3.x, how do I stop removable drives from showing up in Documents list in history tab? should just be files I acutally opened from that drive
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05:25.36ethan961What would be the best KDE irc client, other than konversation, that is qt4?
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05:30.08Jucatothere's so very to few to choose from. the only other Qt 4 IRC client I know of is Quassel
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05:33.16Harry_Muddheh I just made that up
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05:34.07MaxHeadroomHello, I have had problems with both Gwenview and Digikam not displaying photos at the true resolution when zooming in, they will often look blurry or choppy, and different from one program to the other, anyone know how to fix, or a better program for photo management/editing?
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05:54.27purpleposeidonMaxHeadroom: gimp?
05:56.23MaxHeadroompurpleposeidon: something more simple... I would be fine with digikam, except for the problem of not showing the true photo resolution when I zoom, except in the edit window
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05:56.53purpleposeidonimage magik (sp)?
05:57.23MaxHeadroompurpleposeidon: is that a manager, or editor?
05:58.23Jucatoimagemagick? neither.
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05:59.03purpleposeidonah, you want a manager... no idea. Ask the gnome people, maybe
05:59.20Jucatowhat was the question?
05:59.25Jucato(just came back in)
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06:00.36purpleposeidonJucato: <MaxHeadroom> Hello, I have had problems with both Gwenview and Digikam not displaying photos at the true resolution when zooming in, they will often look blurry or choppy, and different from one program to the other, anyone know how to fix, or a better program for photo management/editing?
06:01.05Jucatooh that
06:01.19Jucatoyou might want to ask in #digikam (not sure about gwenview)
06:01.54MaxHeadroomok, barring that, maybe there is an alternative program to digikam/gwenview, that is similar
06:01.55Jucatobut do other non-KDE apps display "at the true resolution"? (whatever that means)
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06:02.05Jucatokphotoalbum?
06:02.11MaxHeadroomI don't know, haven't tried non-kde apps yet
06:03.05JucatoI'm not really sure what you mean by "true resolution". rasterized images (JPG, PNG, etc) do get blurry as you zoom in afaik
06:03.06MaxHeadroomwhat I mean by,  "at the true resolution", is when I zoom in on the photo in digikam view mode, it looks blurry, but if I zoom to same degree in edit mode, it shows as being clear and detailed
06:03.22Jucatoah
06:03.30MaxHeadroomif I open this photo in gwen view and zoom, it has another look altogether
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06:04.18JucatoI think gwenview and digkam are using different things to display images. not really sure. best to ask in #digikam then
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06:04.56purpleposeidonstrange, tho. I would think that they use the same libraries
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06:05.32Jucatolike I said, not really sure :)
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06:06.38MaxHeadroomI will try in #digikam also, thx
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06:14.45MaxHeadroomhmm, digikam room is deado, guess Im gonna use gwenview for a while, or bite bullet and use Picassa wine
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06:33.12Dumblehello world !
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06:51.11DHowettIt'd be neat to have the desktop plasmoids have their own window role so they could be placed on compiz's widget layer. currently, the only identifying aspect they have is window name = "Plasma", which with compiz moves the entirety of the desktop+panels to the widget layer if you use it.
06:52.16Fujisanyou can do that by changing 3 lines of code
06:52.35aseigoDHowett: run them with plasmoidviewer
06:52.46aseigoDHowett: plasmoids are *not* their own x11 windows
06:52.56DHowettaseigo: I was just thinking that ;)
06:53.02DHowettthe second, that is. thanks for clearing that up
06:53.05aseigoDHowett: so you have to run them in a container application (e.g. plasma or plasmoidviewer)
06:53.14DHowettand thanks for the suggestion :)
06:53.33aseigo.. and you know that plasma provides a "widget layer" as well, yah? =)
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06:53.52DHowettI do, but when compositing is on, the background is solid white for me =\
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06:56.10DHowetti'm assuming it's an issue with my system.. but if it worked, i'd definitely be using it instead
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06:57.37[gloom]hi there
06:58.59[gloom]I'm looking for some info indexer under kde (3.5.9). I know there's a front-end for beagle, but the beagle itself has a lot of gnome deps. Is there any equivalent kde app?
06:59.46puslingstrigi ?
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07:02.00[gloom]pusling: have you tried it? does it work fine?
07:02.17DHowettDoes strigi work outside kde4?
07:02.39pusling[gloom]: last I tried it in kde3, it worked, but it issome time ago
07:03.08[gloom]but would you recommend to install beagle and the kde frontend, or better go for strigi?
07:03.27puslinggo for strigii
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07:03.41[gloom]oook, thx a lot. I will give it a try
07:04.04Elbarif you ask in a gnome channel you may get another answer ;)
07:08.02aseigoyes, it still works outside of kde4.
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07:16.06[gloom]Elbar: yeah, i'm sure, but since I want it for kde, I think this is the place to ask:D
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07:18.46DHowetthm. it appears that SOMETHING is setting my up arrow key to be a hotkey of some sort, but it's not KDE and it's not compiz and i don't have anything else running that would.
07:19.02DHowettIt used to get fixed when i loaded my KDE key shortcuts file
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07:26.48theseinfeldis there a tool that can aid you in converting the config files from kde3 to kde4?
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07:43.54thiagotheseinfeld: they are in the same format
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07:45.05DHowetttheseinfeld: for kde3->4 at least. amarok 1.4 -> 2 (at least prerelease amarok 2) settings didn't seem portable.. at least, the collection didn't.
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07:47.46theseinfeldis there an import tool? DHowett?
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07:48.19DHowetttheseinfeld: Not that i saw
07:54.13theseinfeldis there a wizard/import/migration tool for the config files kde3->kde4?
07:56.20DHowetttheseinfeld: thiago said they're in the same format, ergo, the config files from kde3 should mostly work, if the thing they're configuring, didn't change too much. Of course, it's always nicer to start out with a clean ~/.kde
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08:25.55raddyHello Everybody
08:26.18raddyWhy does KGet always shows delayed?
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08:32.19boowhat do you mean by shows delayed?
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08:34.39ziggywhat will be the status of panel hiding in 4.1?
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08:35.39thiagoziggy: no hiding
08:36.15ziggyis that because of technical reasons or do the developers just hate us?
08:37.01thiagothere's a reason
08:37.04thiagothe day only has 24 hours
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08:37.30ziggyfair enough, 4.2 then?
08:37.33thiagono idea
08:37.35thiagono promises
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08:38.10thiagothe best and only way to ensure that it will happen is to do it yourself
08:38.33ziggyyeah, and if I was a programmer, maybe I would
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08:48.47pinotree--verbose
08:48.59thiagohe
08:49.03thiagohe's gone already
08:49.11pinotreei know
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08:50.38ziggywhen do the developers hope to have a version of kde 4 that has all the features of 3.5 ?
08:51.07pinotreethe question is not completely corret
08:51.20Elbararound 4.5 maybe ;)
08:52.35thiagoziggy: never
08:52.40thiagowe've never promised all features
08:52.45thiagothe feature set will be different, that's it
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08:53.09thiagoit'll contain features that weren't present in 3.5 and it will not contain some features that were there in 3.5
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08:54.39ziggyi mean of course, all the relevent features, its frustrating, id like to be able to use kde 4, but its the little things that keep from it, i mean something as simple as panel hiding, even gnome and windows XP have that...i know youre all sick of the gripes but maybe if you explained what youre doing better, i like kde alot and the users have alot at stake in its development too
08:55.39annmawhy do want to hide the panel?
08:55.41thiago4.1 contains most of the features needed
08:55.50annmawhat's your use case ziggy
08:55.56pinotreeziggy: you can understand yourself that the "little things" are quite different for each person
08:55.57thiagotrue, some things are still missing and I'd love to have them back
08:56.06thiagobut it's completely usable
08:56.07annmaexplain how you use the panel please ziggy
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08:56.22pinotreethere are people that use already kde4, that has basically what they need
08:56.48annmathat would help greatly if you explain how you use it, when do you hide it, why, ... ziggy
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08:57.39ziggyanma, i use it to switchs between apps, launch the menu, check the time, check the status of certain applets...most of my computer use is webbased so the panel is just another little bit of room that it takes away from a small laptop screen, also its unnecessarily distracting at times
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08:58.11annmacan't you use applets to do what you need?
08:58.27annmaswitch apps and check time => use applets
08:58.33annmano panel
09:00.13ziggywell, the difference between a minimal mouse gesture to have a quick pop-up and what id need to launch applets is a usage annoyance, if what i was asking was somehow atypical of use cases that would be one thing, but im talking about something pretty basic and common here
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09:01.47annmayes, I understand your concern
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09:01.47annmaI'll relay your demand to other Plasma people
09:01.47ziggygod bless you sir
09:01.47Jejemor madam
09:01.47Jejem:p
09:01.47ziggyor madame
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09:01.48annmaziggy: :)
09:03.56Jucatoziggy: if it would make you happy. aseigo (head plasma guy) has said again and again that panel hiding is in the todo list... just probalby not for KDE 4.1
09:05.22Jucatohas a "workaround" for a no panel KDE 4... put everything on the desktop and remove the panel... then just "show dashboard" if you want to see something
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09:05.52annmathat's sort of what I suggested Jucato but I understand ziggy demand
09:05.58ziggyhow is the dashboard function BTW, is it it more or less like the OSX usage?
09:06.08annmactrl+F12
09:06.19annmadoes not know OSX though
09:06.36annmayou only see the desktop + the widgets
09:06.39Jucatoziggy: yes
09:06.51ziggynice, one of my favorite mac-like features
09:06.57Jucatoannma: yeah. I know it's different from hiding panels. it's just a temporary workaround :)
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09:07.25Jucatoactually does that, except that he keeps the panel at a very small height for the taskbar and the system tray icons
09:07.25annmathe fact also is that new ways of doing things will be needed
09:07.46annmathe desktop has to change as the way of using a PC also changes
09:07.47Jucatomostly because the system tray plasmoid doesn't work well on the desktop (
09:07.50Jucato:(
09:08.13Jucatosuddenly had an idea...
09:08.49Jucatobingo!!!!
09:09.01Jucatothank you whoever created plasmoidviewer!! :)
09:09.15annma;)
09:10.12Jucatoannma: I know the systemtray is a bit trick... but it's kinda broken when on the desktop.. as if it only works if it's on the panel :(
09:10.39ziggycan the dashboard effects be initiated by mouse gestures?
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09:10.58thiagoif mouse gestures worked, yes
09:11.05ziggytheyre not working now?
09:11.10thiagono
09:11.15thiagonot in my build, at least
09:11.16Jucatoyeah... but Plasma itself doesn't have that (although I asked/requested it before)
09:11.27Jucatono, mouse gestures in general don't work afaik
09:11.30thiagoreally misses the gestures in Konqueror
09:11.49Jucatoin fact, custom keyboard shortcuts (khotkeys) don't seem to work either... :(
09:11.51ziggyis that in line for 4.2 as well, or even more distant horizons?
09:12.01thiagoagain, no idea
09:12.06thiagoit will be there when someone does it
09:12.16thiagonot before
09:13.26avishekannma: excuse me, are you the maintainer of the kde edu module?
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09:19.56ziggywait a second, this is begining to make sense.....panel hiding isnt implemented BECAUSE mouse gestures dont work yet, am I on to something here in my dumbass non-techie way?
09:20.23puslinghow did you connect those two ?
09:22.02lemmaziggy: it's not connected
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09:22.21ziggyok, never mind
09:22.27lemmaziggy: if it were the upper-right cashew-menu wouldn't work either :)
09:23.48Jucatoannma: pokey pokey :)
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09:24.58annmaah damn
09:25.01annmaI missed him
09:25.10Jucatomissed who?
09:25.18Jucatooh nvm
09:26.14Jucatoannma: aren't the plasmoid handles supposed to transfer from their default position on the left to the right if the plasmoid is way on the left side of the desktop/monitor? can you confirm that the new device notifier, when placed on the desktop, doesn't behave like that?
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09:27.02annmathe device notifier handle is messed
09:27.18Jucato:(
09:27.19annmayou can notice it does not go all the way around it
09:27.22Jucatoyeah
09:27.28annmait's in my TODO list
09:27.38annmaI guess I should mov emy ass before beta 2
09:27.53JucatoI'm sure you'll find it easy to do that
09:27.57Jucatoyour ass isn't that big :)
09:28.48annmalol
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09:30.18Jucatoaaargh!!
09:30.25JucatoI hate it when plasma crashes on kquitapp :(
09:30.29Jucatoall my hard work gone :(
09:31.38plovswhat does enable hover mean under "configure windows behaviour->advanced" ?
09:31.42annmait saves more often now
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09:39.45kakaltothere was a power cut while I was checking my mail, and now I have a mail message which kmail believes is empty, but I can't delete it, and the rest of the message won't seem to download. Any ideas?
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09:48.09ServerCrashi have kde4 and the startmenu panel crashed, now how to start it again
09:48.15ServerCrashkickoff, kicker...what ...
09:48.32Jucatoannma: http://jucato.org/stuff/panelless.png
09:48.35pinotreeplasma
09:48.41ServerCrashnow id dont see the bottom bar which had links to menu
09:48.49ServerCrashand other open windows
09:50.01puslingServerCrash: alt-f2 plasma
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09:50.18ServerCrashpusling, tried that nothing happens :(
09:50.50JucatoSee the Emergency FAQ in the channel's topic
09:51.02Jucatothe one about how to get the panel back
09:51.07ServerCrashand if i run it from konsole i get this <unknown program name>(9972)/ checkComposite: Plasma has an argb visual 0x8163e60 65011713
09:51.07ServerCrash<unknown program name>(9972)/ checkComposite: Plasma is COMPOSITE-less on 0x815d420
09:51.13ServerCrashok Jucato let me see
09:53.48Trevelyan`how do i clear the cache in kmail? I have an email that has no body in kmail, but i know it does in reality
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09:55.02ZoneiHi all! I have a problem. I have changed my color scheme on the desktop few months ago and I adapted the KMenu colors to that, and now I switched to another scheme, and for the life of me I can't remember where and how did I change the KMenu colors. Help? KDE 3.5.7, OpenSuSE 10.3.
09:55.21ServerCrashplasma(11295): Communication problem with  "plasma" , it probably crashed.
09:55.21ServerCrashError message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
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09:56.42ServerCrashheh
09:57.03ServerCrashkde 4 crashing almost on every action on Fedora 9..heh...
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09:57.34tech9inernot sure the keywords to search on kde apps org.. but.. ics using two laptop's built in wifi?.. possible?
09:58.52tech9inermy net connection is via sprint u727 usb air card.. my thinking is perhaps there is a way to utilize the wifi chips in place of old style dual nic's i used to ics with on towers/pc's ?
09:59.29tech9inerperhaps my networking idiocy is showing again.. not sure
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10:07.16kakaltothere was a power cut while I was checking my mail, and now I have a mail message which kmail believes is empty, but I can't delete it, and the rest of the message won't seem to download. Any ideas? kmail1.9.9, kde3.5.9
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10:12.56bootry to export da mail and import it back :)
10:13.05boobut you'd better keep a backup
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10:22.43kakaltoboo: thanks for the idea, although I couldn't find how to export, so I just created a new directory, put other messages into that directory, deleted the old and renamed the new. Except I get the feeling I have lost the original message.
10:24.35kakaltonope, original is still in inbox on server.
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10:31.10wesleylook guys new kde4 http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3933/kde4lolzc4.png
10:32.54lemmawesley: what's that sheep saying?
10:33.18wesleythats grafield :P it says its stupid
10:33.39lemmavery *cough* creative
10:34.07wesleyi was boring
10:34.13pinotreeindeed
10:34.20lemmaheh :)
10:34.39booyou stole the sketch of kde from one of the developers
10:34.59wesleyno i draw it in kolourpaint
10:35.09boowho knows...
10:35.48wesleyi think i now going make fun of gnome
10:36.14booput the process to youtube
10:36.56wesleyof the painting ?
10:37.07booaha
10:37.27wesleyi can not record
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10:37.45booyou may mention as well how many weed was burned
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10:39.33wesleylol i dont smoke
10:40.54Zarinwesley, needs more http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/776/98694.JPG
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10:43.35wesleyguys would a theme like that not cool ?
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10:44.41wesleyhttp://img145.imageshack.us/img145/271/gnomelolyo3.png  gnome 3
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10:49.49sandsmarkwesley: look for gnome on uncyclopedia
10:49.56bgmikilol
10:50.57wesleyI saw yesterday something like that
10:51.42bgmikiuh vlc 0.9.0 is full of bugs
10:52.00sandsmarkuse Dragonplayer
10:52.13bgmikihaahh
10:52.30sandsmark?
10:52.33bgmikiman dragon is for noobs
10:52.59sandsmarkI only think Debian has man pages for dragonplayer yet
10:53.34bgmikismplayer looks good in kde4
10:53.54sandsmarksmplayer sucks =)
10:54.02sandsmarkjumping in it sucks almost as bad as in vlc
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11:03.40Kame2hey, if i play a video with xine/mplayer/whatever with desktop effects enabled, the video is just a dark blue box. is it a configuration problem, or is it a fglrx problem?
11:04.30peppeKame2: it is a video driver problem (and in general an issue of the current video driver architecture)
11:04.42peppeKame2: try with mplayer -vo gl
11:04.49Kame2-> crash
11:04.55pepped'uh
11:05.03peppeblame ati and amd for making such faulty drivers
11:05.04peppe:)
11:05.05Kame2so i think its fglrx ^^
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11:07.04Kame2if i switch from one X to another X (F7->F8) the driver crashs... -> http://2kmm.dyndns.org/laptop.jpg and there are much more problems... (no textures in flightgear, ktank just show a empty window with 100% cpu, etc)
11:07.18thiagohas one of his 8 icons on the system tray (KDE4) that is scaled down
11:07.22thiagoit's much smaller than the rest
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11:07.28thiagohas anyone seen this before?
11:07.45Kame2next laptop gets a nice intel-chip :)
11:08.02__friedrich|thiago: is it a kde app?
11:08.05thiagono
11:08.10thiagoMandriva's net_applet
11:08.29thiagothe other non-KDE app I have running (Skype) is working fine
11:08.48__friedrich|thiago: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155381 <- maybe it is about this bug, which got fixed yesterday
11:09.39da1l6hi, i have an issue with kpdf (on KDE 3.5.9) not loading pdfs from webpages which supply mimetype application/x-pdf instead of application/pdf :(
11:10.14da1l6it prints "kpdf: WARNING: Unknown mimetype 'application/x-pdf'." on the terminal and dosn't display the document
11:10.45da1l6any idea how to get around this?
11:11.11thiago__friedrich|: interesting, it's the exact opposite, but I'll try
11:11.14thiagorebuilds plasma
11:11.18thiago__friedrich|: thanks
11:11.53__friedrich|thiago: yw, good luck
11:11.57__friedrich|tell me if it helped :)
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11:40.18Marco_Why in Kde 4.1 i get black background in systray icons?
11:40.59jazkaI think it's because gtk apps would crash if they were made transparent
11:41.01Half-LeftIt's a bug
11:41.10jazkasomeone said something like that on #plasma yesterday or so
11:41.32Marco_will it be solved for 4.1?
11:41.48jazkahmm, don't know
11:41.57Marco_i ask on plasma.. thanks :)
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11:47.58Mirrakoris there a ktorrent specific channel?
11:50.51ziggyi always wondered, why isnt there a default chess program with kde games?
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11:52.24annmaziggy: there is one in kde-apps probably
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11:52.50annmathere were talks about a some engine
11:53.03annmaa chess engine is something big
11:53.08ziggythey have a program called knights which quite a good program, a little tricky to add the engine but quite good none the less
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11:53.26ziggythey could use one or several of the myriad existing engines
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11:56.19annmait's just nobody is interested
11:56.38annma1 person does one game, there is no "they" as such
11:56.46Half-Leftannma, Ever noticed the info folder view takes about 6 seconds to come up when nepomuk is enabled?
11:56.50annma<ziggy> they could use one or several of the myriad existing engines
11:57.05annmaHalf-Left: I don't enable nepomuk
11:57.14annmawhat do you use nepomuk for Half-Left?*
11:57.50Half-Leftannma, Just playing with it, you can use it to filter you tagged images in the plasma folder vew now
11:57.54DanielWHalf-Left: it should not take 6 seconds. you mean in dolphin?
11:58.06Half-LeftDanielW, yep
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11:58.50DanielWHalf-Left: that nepomuksearch kio is yet in playground.  and the thing in dolphin is nearly realtime for me.
11:58.55Half-LeftDanielW, If you add the info view to dolphin is takes that time to appear in dolphin
11:59.03thiago__friedrich|: it seems to have helped
11:59.07thiagoall icons have the same size now
11:59.11DanielWHalf-Left: i believe you use the redland plugin of soprano and maybe an older version of it
11:59.28DanielWredland backend
11:59.50Half-LeftI've got trunk kdesupport
12:00.01DanielWsesame2 is faster. but 6 seconds.. even on my eee pc with redland it is faster
12:00.25thiago__friedrich|: now half of them disappeared
12:00.38DanielWHalf-Left: mhh  redland is not part of kdesupport. i think redland is coming from your distro packages
12:01.02Half-Lefthmmm, I'll have to check that
12:01.52thiagorestarting plasma
12:01.56DanielWi would suggest to get redland 1.0.7 or if you really care for speed give sesame2 a try.  (look at the output of cmake from kdesupport it will show if it has build sesame2 support and if not it will tell why)
12:02.01Half-LeftDanielW, Would that be "Redland Resource Description Framework (RDF) library"
12:02.11DanielWHalf-Left: yes
12:02.31Half-LeftDanielW, thanks, it maybe that after all
12:03.29DanielWHalf-Left: and if it is stillt that slow write a bug report against it or come by to #nepomuk-kde and talk to trueg (well he is in vacation at the moment)
12:03.34DanielW-t
12:04.52Half-LeftDanielW, ok will do
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12:05.56DanielWHalf-Left: and another last thing. if it is that slow for you in dolphin...  do you have build a current amarok and have music indext from strigi in nepomuk?  would like to hear how fast is that for you.  i test it here with a about 100 GB music collection and its quite usable but query for artist list is a little slow (1,2 seconds) other years around 0,2 to 0,05 seconds
12:06.03annmaHalf-Left: try to see what process is on
12:06.45DanielWyears=are
12:07.06thiago__friedrich|: well, the icons were show in the correct size for a while
12:07.17thiago__friedrich|: now they are completely gone. I don't see any icons on the system tray.
12:07.28Half-LeftDanielW, I've not tagged proper names yet, it's just got the default nepomuk tags
12:07.35__friedrich|thiago: umm, that is strange.
12:07.47__friedrich|try restarting plasma? kquitapp plasma && plasma &
12:07.52thiago__friedrich|: now I see three.
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12:08.28thiago__friedrich|: I'd done that before
12:08.30DanielWHalf-Left: proper names?  if you use strigi on your music it will write the tags (at least artist, album, title, tracknr) from the music files to nepomuk
12:08.42thiagonow plasma lost its theme (glassified) and I've got black text on a black background
12:08.55annmathiago: this was an amarok bug
12:09.00__friedrich|thiago: that is an amarok2 bug
12:09.02annmathiago: you have amarok2, right?
12:09.04__friedrich|but it is fixed already
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12:09.06annmathis WAS
12:09.06__friedrich|update amarok
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12:09.15annmaupdate kdebase and amarok
12:09.18thiagoannma: how can it be an amarok bug if amarok isn't running?
12:09.26Half-LeftDanielW, You know how you go into dolphin and you can change the tag name of the picture, whatever, well there is a long tag already attached
12:09.34thiagoannma: wait, it *is* running
12:09.35annmathiago: OK look in plasmarc what theme config you have
12:09.38annmaAH
12:09.53annmajust look what [Theme] is written in plasmarc
12:09.55thiagoamarok killed
12:10.09thiagoGlassified
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12:10.33DanielWHalf-Left: and that is coming from strigi?  uh never saw that here. maybe it is coming rom exif data of jpeg images
12:11.09Half-LeftDanielW, Not sure but it's on the music files as well, want a screenshot?
12:11.24thiago__friedrich|: all system tray icons still gone
12:11.29thiago__friedrich|: restarted plasma several times now
12:11.49steHi. Could someone explain me how nepomuk is supposed to work? Or better, on which folders? Those related to strigi indexing?
12:11.52__friedrich|Half-Left: and... dolphin freezing and taking a long break on infoview is because nepomuk scans the whole file at that point, try infoview on a 2 GB movie..
12:12.05__friedrich|ste: yes
12:12.21__friedrich|you can configure it in systemsettings -> extended -> nepomuk
12:12.27DanielW__friedrich|: its strigi doing that :-(
12:12.52ste__friedrich|: ok, so strigi scans and instructs nepomuk?
12:12.53__friedrich|but you can also just change the config in ~/.strigi/
12:12.54DanielWand you can not disable that as it has nothing to do with nepomuk. but there is a bug report about it
12:13.06__friedrich|ste: yes
12:13.26__friedrich|DanielW: yeah, but I think dolphin tells nepomuk which then tells strigi to scan that file :)
12:13.38__friedrich|I disabled infoview because of that :/
12:14.57__friedrich|http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163050 <- this is the bug about strigi indexing big files and freezing dolphin that way
12:14.59DanielW__friedrich|: that is not correct.   the only info from nepomuk there are the rating and the tags.  strigi is controlled by nepomuk but that is the file indexing.  the info view movie problem is related to strigi
12:15.20__friedrich|DanielW: yeah, I know.
12:15.21ste__friedrich|: ok, thanks. Is a GUI for nepomuk searches scheduled for 4.1 (pimoshell?)?
12:15.35__friedrich|I just thought dolphin makes nepomuk tell strigi to scan the file, sorry
12:15.52__friedrich|ste: I don't think so, but I don't really know.
12:16.05__friedrich|there are nice kioslaves in playground/nepomuk-kde/kioslaves
12:16.06DanielW__friedrich|: it happens with disabled nepomuk too. dolphin really uses the strigi analyzer there
12:16.24__friedrich|DanielW: I see, so I've been wrong about that, sorry.
12:16.28DanielW__friedrich|: but yeah it should ask nepomuk if it has already the data from that file, could be faster
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12:16.47__friedrich|although dolphin *should* ask nepomuk first about that file to save itself from scanning if it is in the db IMO
12:17.02__friedrich|hehe :)
12:17.24__friedrich|ste: playground/base/ is the path, sorry.
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12:18.18Half-LeftDanielW, Soprano Components that will NOT be built: * Redland storage backend  * Sesame2 storage backend (java-based) is that ok?
12:18.28ste__friedrich|: ok, thanks... after all nepomuk is one of the biggest news (beside gui), it would be a pity if not "published" to the users...
12:18.31DanielWste: will not be there in 4.1. feature freeze now and sebastian in vacation. there are things in playground but they will not make it to kde before 4.2. that is sad as it makes nepomuk quite useless for the moment
12:18.54DanielWHalf-Left: sesame2 is faster but as it uses java it uses more memory
12:19.12steDanielW: that's a pity because it seems to me as the biggest new thing in KDE4 or so, beside the gui things
12:19.14__friedrich|ste: yeah, it is a pity. there aren't many ppl hacking on that part - I think only one developer. and just little testing is done :/
12:20.57DanielWste: it need also need to get more used from the applications. but that is at least happening in some of them.  (kget, gwenview, amarok 2 (i am working on that), and i think the akonadi or kdepim guys are working on something)
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12:21.56Half-LeftDanielW, So effectively nepomuk and strigi are one search system that every KDE application can use instead of their own?
12:22.20__friedrich|well, even just based on kioslaves they can..
12:22.57__friedrich|imagine nepomuksearch:/tag:TODO in kate/kword/wherever
12:23.11Half-LeftYer I seen that blog about it
12:23.33ziggywill the integrated search features slow everything down?
12:23.50DanielWHalf-Left: its not only about search. it should get a central store for metadata.   the idea for amarok is, that uses nepomuk to store the metadata.  so the ratings from amarok will be shown in dolphin and get edited there. or if a other media player do the same you could share the same data in amarok and that other thing. or a tagging application could operate on the same data as amarok
12:23.55__friedrich|no, only the process of scanning might get your machine busy
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12:24.45Half-LeftDanielW, ok cool, so you tag in one app and the tagging will show up in another?
12:24.51ziggybut its going to be constantly scanning, no?
12:24.56ziggyat least as default
12:25.12ziggyor do you have to stop and do a scan or are there scheduled scans
12:25.22DanielWziggy: well i think it will be optional and if the app devs do it right it should not make everything slow.  in amarok it will be an alternative collection to the the sql one. but yeah it seems it will be somewhat slower than that
12:25.49thiago__friedrich|: I restarted the applications whose icons weren't showing and now they show.
12:25.59thiago__friedrich|: but I bet that if I restart plasma, they won't show again
12:26.06DanielWziggy: if you use strigi it will scan from time to time. but if it has that one time it will only search for changes on your files
12:26.11ziggyi suppose theres no real way to get around that, easy search or speed, cant have it both ways
12:28.14DanielWbut at the moment i would not recommend to use strigi on your complete home dir if you really have a lot of files
12:30.17john_I have been tryint to compile kdesupport and am getting thie error
12:30.22john_CMake Error: Akonadi requires Qt4 with QtDBus module in order to built
12:30.28john_could some one help
12:30.53thiagois your Qt4 built with QtDBus support?
12:31.10john_I would gess so
12:31.13DanielWat least not yet where there are still some bugs in soprano/nepomuk and (maybe strigi, not sure why strigi eats memory here) and as no program can make use of the data it is kinda useless (the strigi data in nepomuk)
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12:31.52john_I have libQtDBus.la in qt-copy/lib
12:32.04thiago.la files mean nothing
12:32.08thiagowhere's the .so?
12:32.28john_there is none
12:33.03thiagoyou've found your issue
12:33.29john_Yes  Thank you thiago
12:33.43DanielWdoesn't nearly every kde app depend on qtdbus?
12:33.51thiagoDanielW: not nearly every app
12:33.53thiagoevery app
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12:35.40Half-LeftDanielW, I only have sesame python for my distro and only see binaries for sesame at sourceforge
12:35.57MirrakorAnyone of you is using Kmymoney?
12:35.59Half-Leftsesame2*
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12:37.18DanielWHalf-Left: not sure, it doesn't exist in my distro too, but i am using the sesame backend. maybe it is in kdesupport together with soprano?
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12:37.49sub|busyhi :)
12:37.52Half-LeftDanielW, Nope, I just compiled that, it's not showing it
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12:38.23DanielWHalf-Left: does cmake say it is missing sesame?  or does it just miss JNI?
12:38.46Half-Leftyer, it want build the sesame java backend
12:38.53Half-Leftwon't*
12:39.03DanielWbut why? it should say why
12:39.26sub|busydoes anybody know what kind of license wallpapers that come with kde3.5 are published under?
12:39.46thiagosub|busy: GPL
12:39.55sub|busythx thiago
12:39.59Half-LeftDanielW, I see, no java JNI
12:40.01DanielWyou need java installed any maybe JAVA_HOME set to point to it
12:40.13DanielWthat is the problem with sesame2. it is written in java
12:40.36Karsten_can any one help me my microfone doesnt functionaly sry for my bad english ;)
12:40.53DanielWnodes he should make test with the redland backend
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12:48.27Rioting_pacifistgiven that kde3 is no longer supported is it worth filing a bug report for its composting?
12:48.57annmaits compositing?
12:49.13annmakde3 has no compositing that I know
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12:49.23thiagoit had one
12:49.30thiagoa primitive version, with some transparency support
12:49.33GraveDiggerhad?
12:49.35kde_pepoannma, kompmgr?
12:49.42thiagobuggy, very buggy.
12:49.50kde_pepoand _shadows_ :) which kde4 does not have with XRender
12:49.53thiagosome windows disappeared, for instance.
12:50.00thiagoRioting_pacifist: so, no, no point.
12:50.09GraveDiggerand not very performant, BUT: existing
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12:50.47Half-LeftDanielW, Did you install kdebindings?
12:50.54DanielWHalf-Left: no
12:50.59Half-Lefthmm
12:51.09DanielWHalf-Left: if you get that jni error it can not find java
12:51.20Rioting_pacifistahh well in 3.5.9 i found very stable, it just has a flash bug, but figured that was the case
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12:52.06DanielWHalf-Left: i would suggest current sun jre or jdk and env var JAVA_HOME set to it (i have JAVA_HOME=/opt/java for example)
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12:53.35DanielWwith that it has no problem with JNI and it builds sesame2 backend though i am not sure where it gets sesame2 from. i believe it there with soprano in kdesupport
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12:56.51Half-LeftDanielW, hmmm well it's installed in /usr java jdk, kdesupport prefix is /usr as well :/
12:57.44DanielWHalf-Left: do you ahve JAVA_HOME set?
12:58.00__friedrich|and what about STRIGI_PLUGIN_PATH?
12:58.04DanielWHalf-Left: printenv JAVA_HOME
12:58.22DanielW__friedrich|: do not have that and it works here
12:58.39__friedrich|ok
12:59.00Half-LeftLooks liek not
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12:59.28Half-LeftDanielW, Nope
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12:59.58DanielWHalf-Left: set it
13:00.01Half-LeftWhats the command to set that?
13:00.02DanielWbefore the build
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13:02.04DanielWHalf-Left: export JAVA_HOME=/usr/java   or what every the path is.  but that is only for that run. if you want to store it i would put it in .bashrc or where every your distro puts global env vars
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13:04.02jcarlosSomeone has been success compiling extragear/multimedia with kdesvn-build ?
13:04.38thiagojcarlos: I built it manually yesterday (not kdesvn-build)
13:05.18jcarlosthiago: I'm trying to compile it with kdesvn-build, but It is impossible for me ... :-(
13:05.49thiagodo it manually
13:05.52jcarlosthiago: I'm trying to compile only amarok
13:06.00DanielWjcarlos: it had problem with k3b. but amarok builds (you can skip some of the apps in the kdesvn-build setings)
13:06.13DanielWjcarlos: then you can select amarok only
13:06.17thiagok3b doesn't build
13:06.32thiagowait, I think it does... after I fixed it
13:06.37thiagobut amarok certainly does
13:06.42Half-LeftDanielW, It seems there is no folder for java, it's either /usr/bin/java/ usr/share/java
13:06.49jcarlosDanielW: I have "checkout-only amarok" in my .kdesvn-buildrc ...
13:07.10DanielWjcarlos: oh can you paste the error somewhere?
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13:07.32jcarlosDanielW: Ok ... wait a minute ...
13:07.41DanielWi build amarok yesterday evening and there where only two commits since then, i do not think they broke it
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13:08.39jcarlosDanielW: http://rafb.net/p/bZFe5J42.html
13:08.50jcarlosjcarlos: Sorry but it is in Spanish ...
13:09.05jcarlosjcarlos: I can translate if you want ...
13:09.17jcarlosDanielW:  Sorry but it is in Spanish ...
13:09.21DanielWwell to bad that i am german and do not now a think about spanish :-/
13:09.25jcarlosDanielW: I can translate if you want ...
13:09.26DanielWknow
13:09.44DanielWit is missing the makefile?
13:09.45jcarlosDanielW: No target specified and no makefile found. Stop.
13:10.09jcarlosDanielW: What makefile is missed ?
13:10.19DanielWcmake should create it
13:10.23jcarlosjcarlos: kdesvn-build downloads sources from subversion
13:10.42DanielWpaste build.log
13:10.46jcarlosDanielW: It generate the makefile from CMakeLists.txt ?
13:10.53jcarlosDanielW: OK
13:11.07DanielWand i am not sure if you pasted the correct file from the right folder
13:11.55jcarlosDanielW: I pasted the correct file. I'm absolutely sure.
13:12.06DanielWkdesvn/log/2008-06-16-01/extragear/multimedia/build-amarok-1.log <- that should it be with the current date
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13:12.44jcarlosDanielW: Mmmm ... in what date do you live ? .... ;-)
13:13.46jcarlosDanielW: Today is June 16. And this was my second try to compile
13:14.01jcarlosDanielW: Am I missing anythin ?
13:14.02DanielWyeah i have june 16 too.
13:14.22DanielWjust paste the build-amarok file
13:14.32jcarlosDanielW: build.log is the same as error.log
13:14.41riothow do i change the popup-bubbles-text or background color? Using the high contrast black theme, its whiteish on whiteish :(
13:14.50riot(using kde 3.5)
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13:14.52DanielWjcarlos: ok i believe your .kdesvnrc is "broken"
13:14.56jcarlosDanielW: The same content again
13:15.15jcarlosDanielW: I can paste it. Do it ?
13:15.16DanielWjcarlos: can you paste the extragear/multimedia part of it?
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13:15.22jcarlosDanielW: OK
13:16.04jcarlosDanielW: http://rafb.net/p/ddhds930.html
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13:16.22jcarlosDanielW: Not much to look at, I suposse.
13:16.32Half-Leftfriggin java
13:17.54DanielWjcarlos: :-/  it is fine.  try kdesvn-build  --refresh-build  extragear/multimeda
13:18.05jcarlosDanielW: OK
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13:19.36jcarlosDanielW: It's compiling now !!!
13:19.45jcarlosDanielW: Can you explain why ?
13:21.18DanielWjcarlos: i think you have tried it before somehow. maybe with everything from extra-gear multimedia.  that rebuild thing delates everything (including cmakecache). so it just does a clean restart
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13:22.05jcarlosDanielW: I understand. Thanks very much !!
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13:38.47dbglthrmm!
13:39.04dbgltwhen I right click on Network in the side-bar of DOlphin and do "hide", it doesn't get hidden
13:39.10dbglt(using kde4.1)
13:39.17dbgltdoes anyone else have the same issue?
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13:42.15DanielWdbglt: works here
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14:00.31morhadhi. how can I delete all shortcuts from kolorpaint (fedora 9). I do not want delete it manually from menu "settings->configure shortcut", this method need a lot of time
14:01.11morhadkolourpaint
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14:10.31Aw0Lhow do I make the kmenu transparrent?
14:10.34Aw0Ltransparent*
14:10.41Aw0Lin 3.5
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14:13.49guaxAw0L: kicker, the menu panels?
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14:14.35Aw0Lguax, found it I think Control Panel > Appearances and themes > style > effects
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14:14.45guaxoh
14:14.49guaxAw0L: ;)
14:15.04Aw0Lthanks
14:15.15Aw0LI updated my system and my styles got changed somehow...I'm trying to fix it
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14:26.09maverickhello
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14:40.31BlueGif you are writing a script for use in kde, what would you use to get the name of a clicked file without the path?
14:40.48pinotree?
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14:42.07BlueGI am writing a scriot for use in a service menu. $1 give the full path to the selected file. I want just the name.
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14:42.43Jucato%f I think
14:42.47pinotreeno
14:42.50Jucato%u?
14:42.56Trevelyan`how do i get kde's mouse behaviour back to single click in left 'tree' pane, and double click in the left hand one and desktop?
14:42.59pinotreeneither :)
14:43.18Jucatoheaddesks :)
14:43.21Trevelyan`it seems i can either have single or double click, not the mix of old
14:43.27BlueGwell what is it then, pinotree?
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14:43.37pinotreeman:basename
14:43.48Trevelyan`s/left hand/right hand/
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14:44.15BlueGpinotree: ahhh, thx :-)
14:44.35pinotreethe %u, %f, etc... give you what was passed. it's up to you take just the file name out of it
14:44.52Jucatoah ok.. "without the path".. didn't see that hahaha
14:45.14BlueGpinotree: what is the difference between %u %f and $1?
14:45.21Jucatowas too busy chatting with annma to notice
14:45.46pinotree%u = any kind of URL, file:/, http://, etc
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14:45.53pinotree%f = a single local file
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14:46.30BlueGpinotree: how do you handle multiple files?
14:46.49pinotreealways local or even from non-file protocols?
14:47.31BlueGpinotree: either
14:47.42pinotreegrr
14:47.46pinotree%U
14:48.25BlueG%F for multiple local files?
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14:49.37_CitizenKane_I'm running KDE4 trunk and when KDM starts I'm getting an error that says "No greeter widget plugin loaded. Check the configuration".  Is there a way to fix this?
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14:51.23annmatry a new user
14:51.45JucatoBlueG: http://docs.kde.org/kde3/en/kdebase/userguide/customizing-kde.html#desktop-icons-exec
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15:22.32la_manodoes anyone know how to disable kde from controlling the wallpaper?
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15:26.19annmala_mano: define "controlling"
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15:29.34la_manonever mind
15:29.41la_manoI figured out how to do it
15:30.03la_manoyou go to advanced and can set a different program as the background program
15:30.14la_manowhich was what I was wanting to do
15:30.30la_manoit is pretty sweet
15:30.48la_manoI have the screensaver flurry running as the wallpaper
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15:32.02la_manoall you have to do is go into advanced and define a new program to run as the wallpaper manager and then put in the command that xscreensaver uses to launch the screensaver
15:32.13annma:)
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15:32.36la_manoI am not sure how this will effect the actual screensaver
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15:33.18la_manohehe
15:33.30la_manono worries it still works just fine
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15:44.05BlueGhow would you get the output of a kdialog menu or checklist (ie- the users selection) into a shell script variable?
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15:45.58BlueGah, perhaps it would be something like: VAR=`kdialog`
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15:51.53Aw0Lthat's obnoxious
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16:06.33Rioting_pacifistis there anything like cheese for kde?
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16:06.45Pollywogcheese?
16:07.04Rioting_pacifistcheese is a gnome app like photobooth on mac
16:07.09Pollywogoic
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16:08.37Rioting_pacifistfinally got my webcam working (well for a second), i tried cheese but while good its too gnomey for my liking, limiting options incase the user has a brain freeze, etc
16:10.00Pollywoghttp://www.kde-apps.org/index.php?xcontentmode=222x223x224
16:10.03Pollywoghave a look there perhaps you will find something
16:10.27Rioting_pacifistgot it in one thx
16:11.58Rioting_pacifistdoh it meant cam asin camera but thx for the link anyway
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16:13.42Pollywogannma: the problems I was having putting together KDE4.1 were due to my not having changed my PATH in my .bashrc.  Once I added QTDIR to the PATH it worked
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16:15.18annmaah Pollywog :)
16:15.32annmathanks for telling me
16:15.40annmaI'm glad you are OK now
16:15.41Pollywogty for helping
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16:28.52BlueGhow would I get a shell script running in kde using kdialog, etc to take a password and become root?
16:29.02Half-Leftaseigo, Wouldn't is be cool if you could have a option in the plasma folder view to show tags your created from nepomuk?
16:30.17fredHalf-Left: you can
16:30.35fredHalf-Left: http://nhnfreespirit.kollide.net/Nightrose/folderviewnepomuk.png
16:30.46Half-Leftfred, I know you can, but you have to type the option in, I'm talking about a UI
16:31.00Half-LeftI.e it shows your tags
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16:31.46pinotreeBlueG: you use kdesu for executing apps as root
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16:32.36BlueGso, if I call kdesu from a script, can I get the rest of the script to run as root, or must I call a second script via kdesu?
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16:42.43aseigoHalf-Left: you man the tags associated with individual files?
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16:43.29Half-Leftaseigo, Yer, I just spoke to nightrose about actually
16:44.04Half-Leftaseigo, Under the filter folder view you can have a option to show your tags rather than typing the whole line
16:44.16aseigoright..
16:44.29Half-LeftSame as Dolphin Info window where the tags are
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16:47.24Fujisanannma :)
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16:47.59Half-Leftaseigo, here's what I mean, if you didn't get ,e :) http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3791/tagsnc5.png
16:48.00Kame2in kde3 i have videos default opened with noatum. but it is'nt installed. is there a way to remove this assosiation without going to every filetype and remove it per hand?
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16:49.41BlueGIf I run kdesu from a script, it doesn't seem to handle relative paths like: kdesu ./script.sh "Command ./script.sh not found"
16:50.10BlueGhow do I pass an argument to kdesu with a relative path?
16:50.38BlueGor better, can I get root privileges /within/ a script, rather than using kdese to call another script?
16:50.55BlueGs/se/su
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16:50.57aseigoHalf-Left: yeah, i know what you meant =)
16:51.22Kame2kdesu "$(pwd)./" <- should work for relativ path
16:52.08Kame2and for for the root without kde you can use: su -c command
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16:56.09BlueGKame2: ok, that answers the rel path question, but what I meant by the other part is that I would like the script to take the root password and run the rest of itself as root rather than executing a separate script. using kdesu is fine if it will do that.
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16:58.51BlueGKame2: ok, maybe pwd doesn't do what I want either... when executing from konqueror the working directory is the users home dir, not the one viewed in konqueror...
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17:08.25BlueGwhen executing a script from konqueror, how can it get the directory it is being executed from?
17:08.37gonzaloafhi, why when I try to load some web pages with konqueror, konqueror ask me to download, or open *.do files with my another browser(firefox)?
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17:21.47BlueGhow can a script find the directory it is being executed from?
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17:22.23aseigo$PWD?
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17:24.59BlueGaseigo: the problem is that when the script is launched from konqueror, the working directory is the users home directory, not the one containing the script.
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17:30.40aseigoBlueG: ah, known issue. you can, however, put %f or %u there to have the file or url put there
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17:30.49aseigoBlueG: (in your commands command line options)
17:31.26aseigoBlueG: then you can use dirname to get the directory from that =)
17:32.18BlueGahhh, nice
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17:33.45PollywogI compiled Kopete from svn but 'make install' does not copy the files to $HOME/kde/bin
17:33.52Pollywoghttp://rafb.net/p/EJ77Su29.html
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17:34.13Pollywogit wants to put them in /usr...
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17:35.00BlueGaseigo: dirname %f seems to only give me '.'
17:35.29aseigoBlueG: no.. have the .desktop file call your script like:
17:35.36aseigoblueg_script %f
17:35.55aseigothen it'll get called like: blueg_script /home/blueg/something/other/file.png
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17:36.00aseigothen you do:
17:36.04aseigodirname $1
17:36.11aseigoin your script and you'll get: /home/blueg/something/other
17:38.16thiago_homePollywog: where did you tell cmake the prefix was?
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17:38.59Pollywogthiago_home: I do not recall but everything else was installed to the intended place
17:39.32PollywogI guess I should compile it again and tell cmake where to put it
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17:39.36Pollywogthanks
17:39.56HS^^anyone has screenshot of 4.1
17:41.25kdepepoHS^^, http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.1-beta1.php
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17:42.19BlueGaseigo: I am not actually writing a .desktop file (perhaps I should), I am writing an executable bash script. Since I can't find a way for the script to take a password and gain root privileges for the remainder of the script, I am writing a script that calls the install script via kdesu, but I can't get it to find the script because it doesn't know what directory it is in.
17:42.49BlueGthe scripts actually interact with the user via kdialog, so they can be run from konqueror
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17:44.25BlueGwhen I simply click and execute a script in konqueror that uses kdialog, how can it tell what directory it is located in?
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17:47.27aseigoBlueG: usually when running a script from konqueror, one uses a servicemenu .dsktop file...
17:47.49aseigoBlueG: but if you're just executing it directly by clicking on it .. hm.. don't know..
17:49.37PollywogI used cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/kde-devel/kde and I think it is working now
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17:49.59BlueGaseigo, it is an install script, so if it where a servicemenu it would itself need to be installed before it could install something else...
17:50.39Pollywogyes that did it
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18:09.53BlueGis it a security risk to take a password with kdialog --password, store it in a variable, and pipe it to other commands?
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18:27.03ivan_hi can someone help me with a problem im having regarding DESKTOP EFFECTS??
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18:27.58Half-Leftjust ask
18:28.56ivan_when i enable the desktop effects my computer goes black and restarts, when that happens i cant enver loggin again, i loggin and it sends me back to the loggin section, ive had to reinstall kubuntu 3 times because of this, and i have never had this problems with ubuntu i had compiz and it worked perfectCV< WHAT can i do to enable the DESKTOP EFFECTS and noy have this problem??
18:30.13ethan961_ivan_: that might be a better question for #kubuntu
18:30.27ivan_they sent me here
18:30.51PhilRodivan_: where and how are you enabling desktop effects?
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18:31.46ivan_right click ion a window - configure window behavior- dektop effects-enable
18:32.35ethan961_you could possible try #compiz-fusion, if they are around
18:33.27daskreechWhat video card are you using?
18:33.33ethan961_oh, this is kwin compositing
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18:34.03ivan_ati radeon x200
18:35.33hagabakathere was a project called kaxul which aimed to run XUL apps with KDE widgets. does anyone know where it is now?
18:36.41ivan_do i have to install any drivers or any application??
18:37.40PollywogKopete crashes for me in KDE4.0 and 4.1 when I try sending messages, though not every time
18:37.56PhilRodPollywog: do you have a backtrace?
18:38.11annmaPollywog: get the backtrace and pastebin it when it happens again
18:38.16Pollywogk
18:38.42MSK61I'm using KDE in fedora 9 64-bit. When I open the "Sound" icon in the "System Settings", I get a list of ouput devices. They're all enabled except "NVidia CK804 with ALC850 (NVidia CK804)"; it's disabled.
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18:40.45PhilRodivan_: if you're using kde 3 and you like compiz, you might just want to use that with kde. I expect you can find some details online about how to do that, but basically all you need to do is replace kwin with compiz
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18:42.43ivan_PhilRod, im using kde
18:42.53PhilRodivan_: kde 3?
18:42.58ivan_4
18:43.52PhilRodah, in that case, you're probably better off using the kwin effects
18:44.03ivan_PhilRod, how do i use them
18:44.05ivan_??
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18:44.56ivan_PhilRod, if i enable the desktop effects form preferences in the kde menu i get that problem
18:45.17darioivan_ i have an xpress200m and the only way to make effects work was to install new drivers from a ppa
18:45.54ivan_dario, what is ppa?? Sorry im vey new at this
18:46.46darioivan_ follow this howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/RadeonXpress
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18:46.56darioit worked well for me
18:47.02ivan_dario, u got kde 4??
18:47.09darioyes!
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18:49.06qweHow I copy files from left pane to right pane in Konqueror in Midnight Commander view profile?
18:49.12ivan_dario, ok cool thanks man
18:49.23dariohope it helps
18:50.12kc8hfikde4, how do I change the way the clock and date look?  I
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18:51.07annmakc8hfi: digital clock?
18:51.13kc8hfiyeah
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18:51.27annmaright click and configure
18:51.30kc8hfiI'm having trouble finding the options on how to configure it
18:52.06BlueGcan someone point me to an example of using kdialog --checklist in a shell script?
18:52.13kc8hfithere isn't much you can do there.  can change the font, and the color
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18:53.10annmawhat more do yu want to change kc8hfi?
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18:53.39BlueGI am not sure how to check what the result was from kdialog --checklist
18:54.15kc8hfiannma: I'd like to switch it to a 12 hour clock instead of 24, and I want to change the format of the date.  I'm hunting for the regional settings, maybe you're supposed to do that stuff there now
18:54.40annmaSystem Settings indeed
18:54.45annmathey are global settings
18:55.31annmayou can set all that in System Settings -> Regional & Languages
18:55.58kc8hfikde4 is gonna take some time getting used to I believe....
18:57.37annmakc8hfi: this sort of setting was already at the same place in kde3
18:57.45annmain KControl
18:57.59kc8hfiyou could right click the clock, and choose date/time format.
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18:58.22kc8hfiI was looking for something similar to that, but it's not there, which is fine.
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18:58.51kc8hfiannma: and yeah,  its in the same spot as in kde3
18:59.29BlueGI see a suggestion to use kdialog --checklist with the --separate-line option to make it easier to parse, but I am not sure how to handle that either
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19:06.37ivan_dario, can i have the link again please i restarted the comp
19:07.06andresjhey anybody else notice that opendesktop.org websites are unstable right now? (cant connect 20% of the time)
19:08.09BlueGis there a parameter for specifying the size of a kdialog box?
19:08.28dariohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/RadeonXpress
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19:12.21BlueGhow can I designate a path in a script relative to the kdedir? I thought I could use $KDEDIR, but that didn't work
19:13.06shadokBlueG: try the command 'env' and pick the good var
19:13.20BlueGshadok: what do you mean?
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19:13.42shadok'env' lists all your environnement variables
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19:14.24BlueGshadok: according to env KDEDIR=/usr/kde/3.5 which is what I want, but it doesn't work in my script
19:14.53BlueGperhaps the problem is how to get that substituted into a path given to a command in the script
19:15.13Kraplaxjust watched aseigo's screencast
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19:15.28Kraplaxthat's really interesting )
19:15.31ivan_dario, in case i enable the effects and my problem starts again how can i make my kubuntu work from filsafe session??
19:15.37shadokmaybe you have a special syntax for variables in that language BlueG
19:15.52Kraplaxi recommend you to have a deep look )
19:15.53BlueGshadok: its a shell script
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19:17.13Kraplaxand even though not so many different appliances (like FTP or using of filters) of FolderView was shown, though, i never seen that fullscreen mode )
19:18.10Kraplaxi hope now people would understand how powerfull plasma is (as well as folderview and KDE4 in common).
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19:18.24ivan_if my x session fails how can i fix my kubuntu from failsafe session??
19:18.30Kraplaxaseigo, thank you for your work
19:18.40BlueGI am trying to cp /path/file $KDEDIR/newpath, I also tried cp /path/file "$KDEDIR"/newpath but neither of these works, the variable part is ignored
19:18.50Kraplaxreally, well done )
19:19.28darioivan_: you have to edit rm $KDEHOME but this will delete all your settings of kde apps
19:20.10puslingpoints dario and ivan_ to /topic
19:20.58ivan_dario, i dont care what i have to do i just dont want to install kubuntu again
19:21.05ivan_dario, how do i modify that??
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19:22.09engineerivan_ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:22.16shadokBlueG: it's certainly not the best way to do that but cp /path/ `echo $KDEDIR`/newpath should do it
19:22.38PollywogI am having trouble with Kopete and I want to know if the apps in beta1 are compiled with debugging enabled by default
19:22.52PollywogI am unable to get gdb to do anything
19:22.52aseigoKraplax: thanks =)
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19:23.28aseigoKraplax: and yeah, any applet can be very easily promoted to Containment which allows it to be used in "full screen" mode
19:23.34Kraplaxaseigo: yeah, go on, rock tha plasma and KDE4 )
19:23.44Kraplaxcool
19:23.45ivan_thanks
19:23.51ivan_im gonna try it see ya later
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19:24.24Kraplaxi didn't know that fuulscreen thing. i thought one would need manually 'maximize' a containment
19:24.24PollywogI went to the directory that has Kopete and I did 'gdb kopete' but nothing happens
19:24.34aseigoKraplax: for scripted widgets (e.g. ecmascript, python, etc) we can actually do the promotion at *runtime*
19:24.52Pollywogso I wonder if it was compiled for debugging
19:24.59Kraplaxwhat does promotion means?
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19:25.11puslingaseigo: are there any ecmascript applet templates ? ;)
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19:25.56shadokBlueG: if there is only one path listed in your variable, cp $KDEDIR will work, if not you could cut it in pieces
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19:27.09aseigopusling: there's the example ones, but no ready made templates. ruphy's been working on those; we should have them ready for 4.1.x where x > 0
19:27.44BlueGshadok: it is almost like the environment variable doesn't exist within the script... echo $KDEDIR works from the commandline, but not within the script
19:28.19puslingokay
19:29.05shadokBlueG: sorry, i'm totally illiterate in coding, ican't help you with that, you could try ##linux, you're likely to get help there
19:30.34Kraplaxaseigo: i can't really get 1 thing. i understand that in future one could use plasmoids over net via browsers, or on their PDAs and such things.. but kind of plasmoid could that be, that one might ever need in his homepage/browser? (i'm not that fan of all those clocks, though the last version of analog clocks is really a masterpiece)
19:31.33Kraplax*what kind of plasmoid..
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19:36.32BlueGapparently KDEDIR isn't accessible from a shell script, is there anyother way to get location of the users kde installation?
19:36.55aseigokde-config or kde-config4 (depending on kde3 or kde4)
19:37.03aseigoe.g.: kde-config4 --prefix
19:37.24Kraplaxok, it's late... i'd better be off sleeping. Just would really appreaciate the answer on my question even just reading it in the morning..
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19:41.17zizzfizzixis there any way to make panels smaller?
19:41.25zizzfizzixlike in gnome or omething
19:41.29zizzfizzixsomething*
19:43.02zizzfizzixof course in KDE 4.1 beta :)
19:43.26ethan961smaller?
19:43.38ethan961they are pretty small already
19:43.51puslingzizzfizzix: you can just make it smaller
19:44.06puslingzizzfizzix: pull out the panel configurotion thingie and pull it downwards
19:44.20zizzfizzixwow
19:44.29zizzfizzixthanks pusling!!!
19:44.35zizzfizzixi'm blind
19:44.37zizzfizzix:)
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19:44.46puslingI don't think it is obvious until you are told ;)
19:45.01zizzfizzixyou're absolutely right
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19:45.09zizzfizzixit should be fixed i think
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19:45.21zizzfizzixi hope :)
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19:48.41zizzfizzixhuh now it looks more gnomish than ever, i had disguisting coupling with windows... thanks again pusling
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19:48.50puslingeuww.. gnomish
19:49.11zizzfizzixit's just better..
19:49.23zizzfizzixnot like windows though
19:49.25zizzfizzix:)
19:50.58zizzfizzixand maybe someone know if there is any way to pool down this thingie in right top corner of desktop?
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19:51.26puslingjust move it and resize it - use the arrows in the configuration thingie
19:52.31zizzfizzixi'm not talking about panels
19:52.47zizzfizzixit's the main configuration thing
19:52.50zizzfizzixof desktop
19:52.57zizzfizzixit the right top corner
19:53.03zizzfizzixcan i move it?
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20:06.25BlueGsudo seems to wipe out the KDEDIR environment variable, how can I still findout where the users kde installation is?
20:07.11BlueGaseigo: ahh, I just saw what you wrote, let me try that
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20:10.44BlueGaseigo: excellent! that seems to work now
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20:22.27BlueGis alt+F2 for the run dialog fairly standard?
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20:24.08zizzfizzixand what is the question?
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20:35.29bbelt16aghey guys
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20:35.59bbelt16agis  it possible to  ssh into a  remote server  and  execute a  su to root ?   so I could have a session for this?
20:36.03bbelt16agin konsole
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20:37.26ThomasDa su to root?
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20:49.53x86I'm trying to make it so KDM _only_ gives KDE as a session option for users
20:50.08x86I'm running Debian Etch, anyone have an idea where to go about this?
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20:50.38x86it's showing Gnome even though I don't have that installed
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20:59.48BlueGwhen a user unpacks a .tar.gz, anything that was executable should generally still be executable, right?
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21:01.16GraveDiggerBlueG: sure
21:02.15GraveDiggerBlueG: that does, however, not mean, that the filesystem below and the security settings on your system actually ALLOW execution
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21:02.15GraveDiggerBlueG: like mount -o noexec
21:02.30BlueGso there is no point in an install script trying to make the file executable, if it was marked executable when it was packed, it still should be when its unpacked and copied to the proper location
21:03.08GraveDiggerbasically.... yes
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21:15.42kurat-1ahello
21:15.57kurat-1aanybody here?
21:16.10GraveDiggerno
21:16.11GraveDiggerall gone
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21:21.40BlueGwould anyone mind looking over this konqueror servicemenu package I made for getting md5 and sha1 checksums? http://b3.dyndns.tv/KonqCheckSum/
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21:22.02BlueGLet me know if something in there looks wrong.
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21:23.53nekostarhey
21:24.08nekostarive noticed that today kmess cant log in.. anyone else having same problem?
21:24.15HappySmileManYes, with kopete
21:24.31nekostarive had no problems yet with pidgin
21:25.02HappySmileManRight now I can't log in, a few minutes ago I could log in but not send messages, whenever I tried it said my contact was offline
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21:25.17nekostaro wait
21:25.19nekostarsigh
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21:25.28nekostari signed off on my pidgin and went to sign in
21:25.35nekostarlooks like their all effecteed
21:25.36HappySmileManNot working again?
21:25.58nekostarprobably on thier end is my guess
21:26.08HappySmileManWell MSN itself is messing up probably
21:26.10nekostarthats rather annoying
21:26.11nekostaryeah
21:26.20nekostarwhy dont we look for alternate msn servers
21:26.25nekostaro shit
21:26.27nekostaryour london?
21:26.31nekostari'm los angeles....
21:26.50nekostarcan we get an afrika, australian, and southamerican plz?
21:26.55nekostarand perhaps one asian
21:26.57nekostar;_;
21:27.00HappySmileManI'm Ireland
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21:27.29nekostari get a better error from pidgin: connection error from Notification server: Writing error
21:27.53foucisthello folks, i'm connecting to my box via vnc, and kde is only showing little boxes instead of actual text..  it looks like some sort of font or unicode issue
21:28.05foucisti'm guessing a path problem
21:28.16foucistany ideas how to fix this?
21:29.21nekostarfoucist vnc is based on encoding jpeg
21:29.29nekostarso i doubt thats the problem right off...
21:29.47bbelt16aghmm
21:29.55bbelt16agI get better download speeds  during a storm...
21:30.03bbelt16ag<PROTECTED>
21:30.06bbelt16agI love my ups
21:30.09nekostarlulz
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21:31.35HappySmileManAccoridng to different server, MSN is down in UK, Australia and parts of US
21:31.43foucistnekostar: http://www.evolutation.com/files/kde-vnc.png
21:32.22nekostarwtf..
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21:40.37HeishiroVenezuela... No msn here.
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21:43.27poypoyhi whot channal wuld i go to to get help with makeing a websit
21:44.20blauzahl#html?
21:44.29poypoyi guess so
21:44.35blauzahl#kde-chat maybe?
21:44.50blauzahlpeople are live at random times there
21:44.57poypoyi will try it thx
21:45.07blauzahlnp
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21:47.05nekostari was thinking about it over a cigarette
21:47.10foucistyay
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21:47.12nekostarthe only thing i can think of is two fold
21:47.22nekostar1. make sure settings on vnc are high enough.
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21:47.41nekostar2. make sure local and remote default languages are the same
21:48.06foucisthmm
21:48.07nekostari dont recall offhand how to configure locales on centos, though, sorry
21:48.17nekostaralso in the future
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21:48.24nekostarblur that bit out on the top ok?
21:48.38foucistoops
21:48.41nekostar^^
21:48.55nekostardidnt fully show it but enough to guess if one has a couple boxes thar
21:49.35nekostarhey HappySmileMan msn working for me again, give er a sh ot
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21:51.19HappySmileManLogged in, but of course the person i was talking to isn't :P
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21:59.26Half-LeftGet new stuff for plasmoids :)
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22:25.56ciaconHi folks - how can I prevent konqueror from saving logins on websites? I love to have that off - keeps my mind jogging ;-)
22:27.42Half-Leftaseigo, It's amazing how many people are just stupid and dont get your video, sorry
22:27.47_lemmaciacon: generally speaking, don't click the "save" button :)
22:28.44_lemmaciacon: though I'm sure there's a more elegant way
22:28.55Half-LeftI bet some people said the same about round wheels, it will NEVER work
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22:41.32daskreechHalf-Left: Welcome to the world of computing
22:42.15daskreechI never get how high end foss Devs and Future computing researchers live
22:42.33daskreechSo KDE devs are probably running daily builds of KDE
22:42.38daskreechThey can
22:42.55daskreech't really see the world from a KDE 4.0 perspective
22:43.15daskreechIt's hard to remember what that was like :)
22:43.36daskreechCourse the cool part is soon we will find it hard to remember what that was like as well :)
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22:52.52halcyonCorsaircan anyone tell me why i'm getting openoffice when i click a .txt url from konversation or konqueror?
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23:11.28cb400fhalcyonCorsair: no.. but you can configure that in settings -> configure konq -> file associations
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23:30.18InvisionfreeHi -- How can I install a custom .cur I downloaded? Mandriva One Spring and whatever KDE vers. it comes with.
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23:32.14Ekras<PROTECTED>
23:32.21Ekrasget that error when I try to run kde
23:32.26Ekrasany ideas anyone?
23:33.44InvisionfreeHi -- How can I install a custom .cur I downloaded? Mandriva One Spring and whatever KDE vers. it comes with.
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23:34.15rubengonchello
23:34.37rubengoncwhats the difference between kde 4.0.80 and kde 4.0.82?
23:35.08rubengonci know that kde 4.0.80 is the equivalent to kde4.1 beta 1
23:35.09Ekras.0.0.02
23:35.20rubengoncwhat about 4.0.82?
23:35.29rubengoncEkras, wise answer
23:35.51iuso0.0.02 closer to beta 2
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23:36.20rubengonciuso, is there any way to view the changelog between them?
23:36.32Pollywogif I compile Kopete 4.1 b1 with the options
23:36.39Pollywogcmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug
23:36.40iusorubengonc: i don't know
23:36.40Jucatonot really. there's no autogenerated changelog for snapshots
23:36.44pinotreerubengonc: no
23:36.46Pollywogwill that enable debugging?
23:37.01pinotreePollywog: just for kopete symbols
23:37.16Pollywogk I think that is what I want
23:37.51rubengoncpinotree, do you know if any distro (or about any script) that builds "daily snapshots"?
23:37.54InvisionfreeHi -- How can I install a custom .cur I downloaded? Mandriva One Spring and whatever KDE vers. it comes with.
23:38.08pinotreeInvisionfree: hi -- having patience would be not a bad idea
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23:39.19pinotreethey are not daily; and you should more ask them
23:39.39Ekras<PROTECTED>
23:39.41Ekrasany ideas anyone?
23:39.43Ekrasget that error when I try to run kde
23:40.01pinotreeEkras: same as Invisionfree: patience
23:40.10rubengoncpinotree, ask them?
23:40.18pinotreeto the distros
23:40.23rubengoncoh...
23:41.54InvisionfreeSOMEONE has to have an idea ..
23:42.18Jucatowhat is a .cur?
23:42.28Invisionfreecursor
23:43.17Jucatoisn't sure if X uses .cur for cursor themes... tries to check
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23:48.55boggystudiosdoes anyone here have a Sansa View?
23:49.21JucatoInvisionfree: based on some sampling of cursors found in kde-look.org, I don't think .cur are X cursor themes. I believe they are for Windows
23:49.53InvisionfreeJucato: Well .. since the odds of finding one of these for Linux is less than none ... is there a way to convert it?
23:50.03Jucatono idea
23:50.16Jucatohave you tried searching in kde-look.org for something similar?
23:50.48InvisionfreeWhat filetype do I need
23:51.23InvisionfreeAnd nope, nothing on kde-look.org
23:52.03Jucatowhat filetype? X11 cursor. it's not something like .cur or .png
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23:55.48InvisionfreeJucato: You know how to turn a CUR into PNG?
23:55.56Jucatonope
23:56.17Jucatoand I doubt that turning it into a PNG will make an X11 cursor theme
23:56.28Ekras.
23:56.36InvisionfreeI found a way to turn a collection of PNGs into a cursor set
23:56.42Invisionfreehttp://www.linuxcommand.org/man_pages/xcursorgen1.html
23:56.49Jucatoah
23:56.52Jucatogood
23:57.58InvisionfreeBut I can't seem to find any .png files of the cursor I want, and I'd hate to have to install Windows ..

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