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| 00:07.09 | memem | there a good page that has the order to compile kde4 ? I looked at one but its really limited . |
| 00:07.28 | tim__ | hi. in the top corner of the screen in KDE 4, there is a widget. what is it called? |
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| 00:10.37 | Pixeltime | OpenSuse 11 - KDE 4.1 RC1 and I dont have a question ;) |
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| 00:36.29 | memem | hmm looking at one thats done the kdebase-workspace between kdepimlibs and kdebase then one more time after kdebase. |
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| 00:46.00 | crazy6 | is there a way to just change the overal system font size between small, large, huge, etc etc? or should I just change it from 9->8 in all the categories? |
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| 00:49.15 | AssociateX | hello people |
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| 00:50.17 | Pixeltime | They are all sleeping |
| 00:51.27 | Jucato | crazy6: there's a button there "Adjust All Fonts", where you can just change the size for all fonts |
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| 00:53.20 | Kenjiro | Jucato: but then i guess you set "size 8" and all fonts become size 8, right? |
| 00:53.31 | Jucato | yep |
| 00:53.46 | Kenjiro | or you can just decrease "2 points" and the 10s become 8s, the 12s become 10s...? :P |
| 00:53.49 | Kenjiro | (that would be nice) |
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| 00:57.34 | SharkMa-san | http://sharkma.pp.fi/screencapkde4.1.jpg <- is this going to be fixed in kde4? |
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| 01:00.31 | nogagplz | any idea where the config file for message bus would be located |
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| 01:04.16 | Pixeltime | I am burning 2 more Distros, which should I try first, LinuxMint or DreamLinux |
| 01:04.33 | memem | troy for slackware did you compile kdebase-workspace between kdepimlibs and kdebase then one more time after kdebase. |
| 01:04.57 | troy | memem: I checked it out from SVN, so kdebase exists there as a single package |
| 01:05.01 | crazy6 | ack, the "use the restricted driver" window came up, but it said I needed root priviledges to enable the ATI restricted driver.... where do I launch that again? |
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| 01:05.43 | troy | during the build process though, you need to compile in this order Qt->kdesupport (if needed)->kdelibs->kdepimlibs->kdebase-runtime |
| 01:05.49 | SharkMa-san | well, hopefully that bug is going to be fixed in 4.2 |
| 01:05.52 | SharkMa-san | :/ |
| 01:06.25 | Jucato | crazy6: try asking in your distro's channel |
| 01:06.31 | troy | SharkMa-san: is that after resizing your screen? |
| 01:06.53 | SharkMa-san | troy: I'm using two separate screens, 4:3 as primary and 16:9 as secondary |
| 01:06.54 | Jucato | SharkMa-san: it might be only on your side of things.. haven't had any bug like that |
| 01:07.05 | Jucato | ah dual... |
| 01:07.08 | SharkMa-san | yea |
| 01:07.39 | SharkMa-san | and for some reason it thinks the height of my primary screen is the same as on my secondary |
| 01:07.43 | _aCiD | wut does KDE stand for |
| 01:07.49 | troy | SharkMa-san: ah, and you get plasma only respecting one aspect ratio -- that would be a bugfix - if it gets into 4.2, it'll also likely get backported to 4.1.x (assuming it gets fixed in the next 6 months) |
| 01:08.00 | troy | _aCiD: the "K" is a secret :) |
| 01:08.08 | _aCiD | and the DE? |
| 01:08.17 | SharkMa-san | and the second thing is my secondary display isn't usable at all |
| 01:08.25 | SharkMa-san | all I get on it is X on mouse cursor |
| 01:08.27 | troy | _aCiD: Desktop Environment and/or Development Environment, depending on the context |
| 01:08.37 | _aCiD | K is for Kool |
| 01:08.41 | troy | _aCiD: the K stood for "Kool" for about a week in 1996 :) |
| 01:08.48 | _aCiD | ehekeke |
| 01:08.51 | troy | it was promptly dropped :) |
| 01:08.56 | _aCiD | hmm |
| 01:09.04 | _aCiD | such mystique |
| 01:09.16 | troy | and the only reason they used "K" was that CDE already existed :P |
| 01:09.28 | _aCiD | i see |
| 01:09.39 | SharkMa-san | well, kde3 works fine and I have no complaings... I'm just a little disappointed in kde4 |
| 01:09.43 | SharkMa-san | *complaints |
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| 01:10.36 | memem | troy: I was looking at rlworkmans order and it looks darn good but I was seeing how he did kdebase-workspace between kdepimlibs kdebase then one more time after kdebase |
| 01:10.38 | troy | SharkMa-san: please file bugs for broken behaviour - it'll help to include your X startup logs, maybe your /etc/xorg.conf, etc. in the bug reports -- |
| 01:11.00 | memem | hmm I see you have kdebase-runtime before kdebase too |
| 01:11.05 | SharkMa-san | troy: I'll do so on weekend |
| 01:11.17 | troy | memem: well, if you check out from SVN, you just check out kdebase (as a single unit) |
| 01:11.19 | Jucato | memem: no |
| 01:11.22 | _aCiD | hey troy: is there a way to kill the "black screen delay" that happens when KDE is first loaded and before the compiz icon shows up in the tray? |
| 01:11.36 | Jucato | memem: er. I mean you don't have to do anything "one more time" |
| 01:11.47 | troy | _aCiD: never used compiz - no idea :) |
| 01:11.57 | Jucato | (and who is rlworkman?) |
| 01:11.57 | memem | na I have the .98 and I'd still want to package up even when I do use svn ;) |
| 01:12.03 | troy | Jucato: KDE packager for slackware |
| 01:12.08 | Jucato | ah |
| 01:12.11 | _aCiD | erm..r u serious..dont like the eye candy uh? |
| 01:12.34 | crazy6 | hrm I wonder if I should install kde4 in kubuntu..... |
| 01:12.38 | SharkMa-san | compiz is nice for eyecandy, but it has its problems |
| 01:12.38 | troy | _aCiD: kwin has most of the features of compiz anyway :) |
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| 01:12.50 | memem | yeah . |
| 01:13.03 | SharkMa-san | for example I can't get vsync to work with it, and it's really annoying when watching videos |
| 01:13.08 | troy | crazy6: only if you're okay with breakages - some people have had trouble with the kubuntu packages... Jucato, what's your opinion (being a kubuntu guy?) |
| 01:13.34 | troy | SharkMa-san: kwin uses vsync in KDE 4.x when doing the GL compositing effects |
| 01:13.35 | _aCiD | kwin uh? never heard of it..imma check it out |
| 01:13.36 | Jucato | troy: I have never used Kubuntu KDE 4 packages except to test if they install/work or not. |
| 01:13.43 | crazy6 | troy: oh ok... should I use compiz? I've never tried it and I have this flashy 24" imac here now.... |
| 01:13.47 | troy | _aCiD: it's KDE's default window manager |
| 01:13.47 | memem | I'm just checling out the kde page but its is limitd on the order . |
| 01:13.50 | Jucato | _aCiD: kwin is KDE's window manager |
| 01:13.55 | _aCiD | ah |
| 01:13.56 | _aCiD | ok |
| 01:14.01 | troy | crazy6: if you're using KDE 4, no real need for compiz |
| 01:14.03 | SharkMa-san | troy: and the secondary display works fine even with compiz ;P |
| 01:14.06 | _aCiD | without the wobbly stuff right ehe |
| 01:14.12 | _aCiD | i love my snow |
| 01:14.14 | Jucato | memem: limited on the order? what page are you looking at |
| 01:14.18 | Jucato | _aCiD: wrong |
| 01:14.22 | troy | _aCiD: actually, we have wobbly windows in kwin :) |
| 01:14.23 | SharkMa-san | but not with kde4 |
| 01:14.26 | Jucato | and snow too |
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| 01:14.42 | _aCiD | im running slackware.. |
| 01:14.52 | _aCiD | backtrack 3 buddy |
| 01:15.29 | Kenjiro | memem: I compiled KDE4 in the same order Robby did (for Bluewhite64 in my case) |
| 01:15.33 | troy | memem: if you're installing robby's packages, you can install in arbitrary order, right? |
| 01:15.41 | Kenjiro | (but I am running 4.0.98, not the SVN) |
| 01:15.41 | memem | days more about the svn than it does the packages :) |
| 01:16.05 | Kenjiro | troy: yep, if you install from the packages, no order is needed |
| 01:16.07 | memem | no I'm just looking at all I find to get a good Idea for my 64bit |
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| 01:16.27 | Kenjiro | memem: I compiled for 64bits ;) |
| 01:16.27 | troy | memem: I'm on slamd64 |
| 01:16.54 | memem | just I got to the kdelibs and see some diffrence on the orde but the kde page kinda stops at kdelibs |
| 01:16.59 | troy | memem: you can edit his buildscripts easily enough to change the arch - and add -DLIB_SUFFIX=64 to the cmake line |
| 01:17.02 | Jucato | troy: thought you were on *bsd? :) |
| 01:17.21 | troy | Jucato: haven't been on freebsd for years :) |
| 01:18.09 | troy | where did all these slackware users sprout from though, I wonder :) |
| 01:18.11 | memem | troy yeah mines not much diff than freds . just newer kernel gcc4.3 udev and a few others . :) but still keeping as must the style of slack |
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| 01:18.32 | memem | na I just edited all the old builds I had allready |
| 01:18.40 | _aCiD | coughs |
| 01:18.51 | Kenjiro | memem: kde page, as far as I remember, only talks about kdelibs, base and pimlibs. |
| 01:18.53 | memem | mostlu just changing .configure to cmake O.o |
| 01:19.02 | memem | yeha |
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| 01:19.37 | troy | memem: well, and cmake's options are somewhat different; --prefix is useless, for example -- you need to use -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX |
| 01:19.46 | troy | which is ugly |
| 01:20.01 | Kenjiro | troy: ugly... or ... we are not used to it ;) |
| 01:20.06 | troy | but if you install cmake 2.6, you can use the nice qt4 cmake gui to configure things :) |
| 01:20.15 | memem | yeah I'm still not fond of cmake . but I've domne some patches for it allready ;) |
| 01:20.21 | Jucato | votes "not used to it" |
| 01:20.39 | troy | Kenjiro: it's ugly, certainly :) long after I'm used to it :) but autofoo is worse :) |
| 01:21.00 | Jucato | sure --prefix is simpler.. but then again you get autotools... so it far outweighs "beauty"... |
| 01:21.09 | memem | err its oneforall forgot to change the nick . I'm in cli right now 1gb ram is no good for building kdelib and kde running |
| 01:21.28 | Jucato | really? I only have 1GB RAM |
| 01:21.29 | troy | memem: I do it all the time :) |
| 01:21.52 | Jucato | I'm not even on 64bit or any enhanced 32-bit :) |
| 01:21.54 | troy | memem: hell, I delete KDE 4 while it's running, then recompile KDE 4 while my last instance is still running :) |
| 01:22.04 | Jucato | *and* I have KDE 4 running *with* desktop effects :) |
| 01:22.09 | troy | ditto |
| 01:22.13 | Kenjiro | memem: I compiled the whole KDE 4.1rc1 in 148min :D |
| 01:22.15 | Jucato | (though I disable desktop effects once in a while) |
| 01:22.19 | memem | think the 2 cpu and the crappy asrock mobo just want double the ram |
| 01:22.40 | troy | memem: http://troy-at-kde.livejournal.com/18232.html |
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| 01:24.36 | Kenjiro | oh well... I better get my ass outta here (job) |
| 01:24.38 | memem | yeah just kdelibs and a coupe others that just hit cpp and then I can't even use my kb . ddr crappy mobo dunno . |
| 01:24.38 | Kenjiro | see ya guys |
| 01:24.42 | Kenjiro | Good night |
| 01:27.19 | memem | for a while there I was trying to find some nice utile to test the mobo cpu etc and see why but gave up for now looking ;) |
| 01:29.34 | _aCiD | im looking for a nice opengl emu so i can play GTA on my linux |
| 01:29.39 | Pixeltime | Something tells me that logging #ubuntu would pretty much kill that 320 gig external drive real fast ! |
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| 01:30.26 | _aCiD | lol |
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| 01:31.11 | Pixeltime | I have 3 CD's in front of me, Kubuntu, DreamLinux, LinuxMint, which shall I test ? |
| 01:31.26 | memem | nice deleted kde while it was still running :) |
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| 01:31.41 | Pixeltime | I use Kubuntu and K on Opensuse all the time ;) |
| 01:32.06 | fbvortex | I know that the gtk-qt theming engine has problems -- what's the "up-to-date" suggested way to get apps like firefox to use KDE's fonts and such? |
| 01:32.18 | _aCiD | backtrack i use |
| 01:33.24 | troy | fbvortex: I'm not sure there's a proper solution to that one for KDE 4 yet... |
| 01:33.38 | troy | fbvortex: for KDE 3 (and thus Qt 3), that engine works fairly well |
| 01:34.45 | fbvortex | troy: sorry, I should have specified: this is KDE 3.5.9 . I'm not quite ready to jump into 4 yet, but I'm really looking forward to 4.2 |
| 01:35.02 | _aCiD | prolly a vistalized stable KDE |
| 01:35.31 | _aCiD | not as bad as gnome tho |
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| 01:35.53 | troy | _aCiD: I don't understand where the comparisons to vista are coming from, other than the fact that we use a little black these days... *shrug* |
| 01:36.01 | nogagplz | lol |
| 01:36.16 | _aCiD | i was mainly comparing latest gnome |
| 01:36.25 | _aCiD | lots of eye candy and lots of problems |
| 01:36.47 | troy | fbvortex: then the gtk-qt theming engine is the best bet - it should work fairly well (can't guarantee it though ;P ) |
| 01:37.07 | fbvortex | troy: thank you. |
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| 01:37.15 | troy | fbvortex: other than that, some people have tried to adapt the KDE icon themes to gtk, for example, which might be useful |
| 01:37.44 | troy | fbvortex: that's easier to do these days, since KDE 4 shares the tango icon naming scheme |
| 01:37.57 | troy | fbvortex: but it won't help you with 3.5.x :) |
| 01:38.16 | memem | accually too when the updatedb runs the system gets really slow . mouse gitters. ram passes both memtest tools . so dunno if the mobo/cpu or I have somehting built with a major mem leak :0 |
| 01:38.35 | fbvortex | another question: is it possible to just copy Kmenu items to the desktop so the programs can be launched from there? |
| 01:38.43 | troy | memem: yeah - that's pretty unusual, I'd say... |
| 01:39.13 | troy | fbvortex: in 3.5.x? it should work with drag/drop, but it's been over a year since I've used 3.5.x, so I could have forgotten by now :) |
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| 01:39.44 | memem | dunno what tools to get to check out the mobo . been a long time since I done thta. burnin was the tool but I see it only does to a i686 |
| 01:40.27 | memem | asrock 755i65G |
| 01:40.31 | troy | memem: I'd try using a livecd first, in case it's your build |
| 01:41.48 | memem | darn I can't rememebr the other 2 apps kdelib compiling ,updatedb and the other 2 . all the compiles is when it hits .cpp |
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| 01:42.12 | memem | cli its fine |
| 01:42.31 | fbvortex | memem: try using memtest86+ to make sure motherboard/processor/ram is OK |
| 01:42.58 | _aCiD | memtest only tests RAM |
| 01:42.58 | fbvortex | memem: when I've had things like bad caps or bad ram, it's never gotten past memtest86+ |
| 01:43.06 | memem | yeah I used the 2 memtest tools and my ram passes |
| 01:43.07 | _aCiD | use sp2004 for CPU stressin |
| 01:44.26 | memem | need a good tool to do a check ont he mobo |
| 01:44.40 | _aCiD | look for bulged out caps |
| 01:44.54 | _aCiD | run sp2004 .. thats how we do it at work |
| 01:45.03 | memem | sp2004 will check that out . is that one that you can burn to cd/dvd |
| 01:45.13 | fbvortex | it's not likely bad caps will still allow memtest to pass |
| 01:45.30 | memem | yeah caps are ok . I've rebuilt a few mobo for the bad caps |
| 01:45.38 | memem | power supplies too |
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| 01:45.59 | _aCiD | stress ur system for 12 hours, ull know |
| 01:46.01 | troy | bad caps would cause instability, not memory usage |
| 01:46.27 | _aCiD | hmm.. |
| 01:46.31 | _aCiD | that really depends |
| 01:46.47 | troy | and actually, cpu/mobo problems will not cause memory usage - that can only happen in software |
| 01:47.17 | _aCiD | exactly |
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| 01:47.57 | memem | well I can never see how much mem was used cause at the time I have no kb mouse control. can't ssh in etc bu8t the hd led still is on solid |
| 01:48.36 | troy | memem: you're dying from swap death :) |
| 01:48.46 | memem | maybe this FX5200 video card |
| 01:49.09 | troy | memem: your computer's used all the memory, and all the swap space, so it then saturates the I/O trying to make space, but accomplishing nothing |
| 01:49.15 | memem | ah increase my swap |
| 01:49.48 | troy | memem: well, depending on that problem, it might delay the onset of the problem (that being that it'll take longer for your swap to fill), but that's treating the symptoms, not the cause |
| 01:49.50 | rohanpm | try _decreasing_ your swap |
| 01:50.03 | troy | something is eating your memory |
| 01:50.10 | fbvortex | (KDE 3.5.9) is there a way to set a folder up in such a way that it will be opened in konq with different options than a standard file management view? |
| 01:50.11 | rohanpm | The more swap, the more thrashing |
| 01:50.28 | troy | I've had gdb take down my system when it tried to grab 2GB of memory on my 1GB system... |
| 01:50.46 | memem | hav Swap: 431 |
| 01:51.27 | troy | fbvortex: check "konqueror --help" from the command line - there are ways to start konq with a certain profile loaded |
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| 01:52.04 | memem | I was trying soem tool but forget the name to see if it would cats what was using the ram . but I could never figure out how to get it to log |
| 01:52.23 | troy | memem: and you shouldn't really need swap with 1GB on slack (64) -- I have KDE 4 running on such a system, and have 3MB of my swap space used :) |
| 01:52.33 | memem | at least I can reproduce it :) |
| 01:52.54 | _aCiD | swapon |
| 01:53.11 | memem | well ff seamonkey eat it up ;) |
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| 01:53.45 | troy | _aCiD: it's on ;) |
| 01:54.05 | _aCiD | eheh :) |
| 01:54.42 | fbvortex | troy: I've got a folder on the desktop that I'd like to use to hold application launcher links (.desktop files), but I'd prefer when I open up that folder, that it not be in a management view. even if I could use konqueror commandline arguments, how could I get the default desktop to open the folder in a non-standard way? |
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| 02:00.57 | fbvortex | troy: I guess, to be honest, I don't care if I need to make a regular folder or not, but I'd like the desktop to more-or-less contain application launching links from the Kmenu. |
| 02:01.46 | troy | fbvortex: you're going to really like plasma one day :) |
| 02:02.38 | troy | fbvortex: to get konq to open that folder, you'd need to create a new shortcut on the desktop that simply launches konq at that point, with the options you want - so you wouldn't have a real folder on the desktop (for 3.5.x anyway) |
| 02:02.39 | fbvortex | troy: yeah, I saw the folderview stuff, etc. I'm pretty excited about the tech, but I've got my grad work to do and not enough time to file the BRs on KDE4 |
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| 02:03.52 | fbvortex | I actually just upgraded to 3.5.9 after being on an older, much buggier 3.5 release... |
| 02:03.52 | troy | fbvortex: I just re-read what I typed, and I don't think I made things any clearer... I'll try again :) |
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| 02:04.48 | troy | fbvortex: to achieve what you want, do not create a folder on the desktop - create that folder somewhere else; then create a new application shortcut on the desktop that launches konqueror with the desired profile (and points to the desired folder) |
| 02:05.01 | fbvortex | troy: I think I understand what you're saying. from the desktop right-click menu, Create New -> Link to application, and use the konqueror parameters desired there |
| 02:05.08 | troy | right :) |
| 02:05.42 | troy | fbvortex: it should work suitably for your purposes, although I cannot vouch for it since I haven't used 3.5.x in ages :) |
| 02:06.23 | fbvortex | troy: BTW, as a user, I really appreciate all the articles you write for outreach, etc. I like the KDE4 tech preview articles, esp. Thanks a lot for what you do! |
| 02:06.52 | troy | fbvortex: no problem - sadly, I don't have much time to do that anymore - too much focus on the thesis :) |
| 02:07.07 | fbvortex | troy: I'm in a similar boat |
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| 02:08.07 | troy | fbvortex: but you know - it'd be pretty easy for a random user to take up that stick and write the articles - it's not like I was trained for it or anything :) |
| 02:08.22 | troy | and I wasn't involved in marketing in any way when I started to write them |
| 02:08.27 | fbvortex | troy: there are a lot of bad writers amongst us |
| 02:08.54 | troy | I simply saw an information void (KDE 4 had been in development for 18 months, and very little was known about it), so I built it, and wrote about what I found :) |
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| 02:09.49 | fbvortex | troy: I don't know about KDE devs, but isn't it hard to wheedle the real meat of what's going from the devs to write that up? |
| 02:10.05 | memem | so kdelibs->kdepimlibs->kdebase-runtime->kde-workspace->kdebase ? |
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| 02:10.11 | troy | fbvortex: nah - I mostly just ask them questions on irc :) |
| 02:10.26 | troy | memem: you might flip the last two, but I'm not actually sure that it matters... |
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| 02:11.05 | memem | looking at clfs order and its kdelibs->kdepimlibs->kdebase->kdebase-runtime->kde-workspace |
| 02:11.31 | memem | just the not to sure after kdepimlibs :D |
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| 02:12.19 | memem | I seen a Cmakelist.txt for the kdesupport that showed a compile order . but didn't find one for the kde dir |
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| 02:13.23 | troy | memem: kdesupport is not a true package - it's a module we use in SVN to collect a bunch of pre-req libs that aren't really KDE specific... (although a lot of them are developed for KDE) - distros usually package the various libraries of kdesupport individually |
| 02:14.07 | troy | memem: so kdesupport contains phonon, akonadi, strigi, taglib, eigen, etc. which various KDE apps use |
| 02:17.19 | fbvortex | hmm, www.kde-apps.org doesn't seem to be coming up... |
| 02:18.21 | memem | yeah I made automoc4 seperate package and most of them are from svn :) qt-copy too I found 1 in his readme that needed to be done first but I'd need to check the msg log to see what it was now . but other than the the readme was really good |
| 02:18.33 | troy | fbvortex: neither is kde-look.org - frank's network must be down |
| 02:19.25 | troy | memem: right, that got moved to kdesupport just recently - it used to live in kdelibs :) |
| 02:19.34 | memem | I'll just check my build loga and see from them too . |
| 02:19.39 | troy | memem: anyway, time for me to sleep - good luck... first time through is always the hardest :) |
| 02:20.05 | troy | .oO(zzzZZZ) |
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| 02:28.13 | Kraplax | hi people |
| 02:28.25 | jenocin | how do you change the display setting for the k menu, its sliding in and I just want it to appear |
| 02:28.40 | jenocin | kde3.5 |
| 02:30.23 | Kraplax | i always wondered what do i need to install/enable to get those 'Move to >' and 'Copy to >' right-click menu entries? what do i miss? because on different distros it's always the same - at first i happen to have them, but when something is uninstalled i miss them.. |
| 02:30.42 | Jucato | Kraplax: kde version? |
| 02:30.48 | Kraplax | 3.5.9 |
| 02:31.06 | Jucato | try konq-plugins? |
| 02:31.18 | Kraplax | oh, thanks you =) |
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| 02:31.42 | Jucato | don't thank me yet until it's actually solved :) |
| 02:32.05 | Kraplax | i thank you for your response =) |
| 02:32.29 | Jucato | hm. ok. I can accept that :P |
| 02:32.58 | Jucato | (well yes, actually it is konq-plugins) |
| 02:33.17 | Kraplax | hm.. |
| 02:33.41 | Kraplax | it worked, thank you, but how do i make those menu entries appear in Dolphin too? |
| 02:33.52 | Kraplax | is there such an option? |
| 02:33.55 | Jucato | d3lphin? no such luck |
| 02:34.13 | Kraplax | oh.. pity :( |
| 02:34.20 | Jucato | repeat after me... "d3lphin sucks" :) |
| 02:34.36 | Kraplax | but it's ok, then. At least i solve one of my long-term problems :) |
| 02:35.07 | Kraplax | Dolphin sss.... ss.. i can't :( |
| 02:35.21 | Jucato | D3lphin, not Dolphin |
| 02:35.30 | Jucato | Dolphin is wonderful. D3lphin is just plain PITA :) |
| 02:35.35 | Kraplax | the Dolphin is for kde4? |
| 02:35.44 | Jucato | yes |
| 02:36.16 | Kraplax | oh, then D3lphin well.. oh.. it sucks.. oh! it sucks well =) |
| 02:38.31 | _genuser_ | guys I don't have kde4-config on my system. What package would it be a part of? |
| 02:40.05 | Jucato | kdelibs iirc |
| 02:41.20 | _genuser_ | I hope soon there will be lot of plasmoids. I can't compile any. I couldn't run a fun desktop.... |
| 02:41.45 | Jucato | kde-look.org |
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| 02:42.57 | _genuser_ | Jucato: they have some plasmoids but those require compiling. And compiling requires a proper setup. finally upgraded to qt4.4.0. But don't find KDE 4.1 in my package manager yet. and supposedly that makes the make fail. |
| 02:43.13 | Pixeltime | I feel so 'Minty' |
| 02:43.16 | thiago_ | _genuser_: kdelibs |
| 02:43.52 | _genuser_ | thiago_: kdelibs meaning those require kdelibs 4.1? |
| 02:43.57 | Jucato | _genuser_: I think there are some that don't need compiling, provided the engine they are using is already installed. I can (try to) add plasmoids from kde-look just from the Add Widgets dialog |
| 02:44.29 | Jucato | _genuser_: |
| 02:44.30 | Jucato | _genuser_: kdelibs meaning "whatever your distro has that installs kdelibs" |
| 02:44.30 | thiago_ | _genuser_: kdelibs 4.1 contains kde4-config |
| 02:45.41 | fbvortex | what are the requirements on the items in the Autostart folder? Should they be shell scripts? |
| 02:45.59 | thiago_ | fbvortex: anything that KDE can run |
| 02:46.02 | Jucato | fbvortex: no. anything in the ~/.kde/Autostart folder will be opened |
| 02:46.03 | thiago_ | scripts, symlinks or .desktop files |
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| 02:46.19 | thiago_ | if it's a normal file, it'll simply be opened, like Jucato said |
| 02:46.23 | _genuser_ | Jucato: ok, my dialogs are pretty small. Don't offer options. hopefully soon. |
| 02:46.37 | _genuser_ | thiago_: ok cool, the path was incorrect. Found the kde4-config in user path. :) |
| 02:46.43 | fbvortex | thiago_: thanks. if shell scripts is there any requirement on whether or not they need to exit? |
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| 02:47.02 | thiago_ | fbvortex: you can't have a shell script that doesn't exist |
| 02:47.15 | Jucato | is there even such a thing? :) |
| 02:47.19 | thiago_ | the only schizophrenic thing that exists and doesn't at the same time are broken symlinks |
| 02:47.28 | thiago_ | they exist, but if you stat them, you get ENOENT |
| 02:47.37 | Jucato | oh |
| 02:47.38 | fbvortex | thiago_: exit, not exist |
| 02:47.54 | thiago_ | fbvortex: no, they can keep running |
| 02:48.19 | fbvortex | thiago_: and if several items are there, what is the launch sequence? |
| 02:48.22 | Jucato | fbvortex: http://jucato.org/kde/kde-autostart.html |
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| 02:48.35 | thiago | fbvortex: random |
| 02:48.36 | Jucato | alphabetical order afaik |
| 02:48.41 | Jucato | actually there is no sequence |
| 02:48.45 | Jucato | no "assured" sequence |
| 02:48.48 | thiago | could be alphabetical, but I wouldn't trust it |
| 02:49.10 | thiago | besides, if it doesn't have to exit, then everything is run in parallel |
| 02:49.18 | thiago | that's different from the "env" directory |
| 02:49.40 | Jucato | (see link above :P) |
| 02:49.51 | fbvortex | thiago: yes, but presumably they would be started in series; but nevermind, the fact that there is no guaranteed order is enough information, thank you. |
| 02:50.03 | fbvortex | Jucato: thanks, nice document. |
| 02:50.08 | thiago | fbvortex: even if they are, what's to guarantee that a process will get more CPU time than another? |
| 02:50.19 | thiago | scheduling will take over and one process could fall behind others |
| 02:50.31 | fbvortex | thiago: yes, that makes sense |
| 02:51.18 | Jucato | fbvortex: if you absolutely need to follow a sequence, your best bet is to have a single script in the Autostart folder that would run other scripts in sequence |
| 02:51.53 | fbvortex | Jucato: I'll just do it in a single script |
| 02:52.05 | fbvortex | just a couple of items |
| 02:54.22 | memem | 1 thing I do like is the % done wiht cmake but make VERBOSE= too |
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| 02:56.54 | memem | expecially for 32/64bit because there can allways be the time of a warning skipping incompat and thats not soemthing to take as just a warnign . Its as bad as an error because if you take a closer look you'll see it was lookign at the wrong lib and not quiting but skipping . So then it doesn't compile fully like it should have |
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| 03:13.55 | fbvortex | thank you for the help, thiago and Jucato |
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| 03:16.11 | thermogenic | might be the wrong channel but i'll ask - any pointers on how to get my multimedia keys to control amarok? right now they only work if amarok has focus. they work fine for kmix though (3.5.9, gentoo) |
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| 03:22.52 | prashanth | hi everybody... while compiling marble from the SVN sources on Windows Vista, Qt 4.4, MSVC 2005 Standard; I get an error saying winposix_export.h not found.. |
| 03:23.03 | prashanth | any hints on how to fix this? |
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| 03:25.39 | troy | prashanth: ask in #kde-windows - they will almost certainly have this answer, if they're awake :) |
| 03:25.56 | troy | goes back to snoring |
| 03:27.24 | prashanth | troy: thanks :) |
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| 03:40.24 | memem | folderview/folderview.h:44: error: 'Plasma' has not been declared |
| 03:40.30 | memem | kdebase |
| 03:41.14 | memem | brb |
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| 03:57.51 | Guiri | http://mac.kde.org/ :-) |
| 03:57.55 | Guiri | Can't wait for 4.1 |
| 03:58.00 | Guiri | I can get rid of iTunes |
| 03:58.21 | Guiri | Had KDE on my laptop but it died a 5 year old death of sparks due to the battery |
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| 04:15.37 | MacAnthony | any one know what's up with kde-apps.org? |
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| 04:17.54 | Borg^Queen | Hi people I have an odd problem, intel audio chip, the sound plays too fast |
| 04:18.10 | Borg^Queen | everything sounds like the chipmonks |
| 04:18.28 | Borg^Queen | any ideas what could be causing that and how to fix it? |
| 04:18.34 | memem | ok thats the reason for installing kde-workspace |
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| 04:24.33 | memem | nope |
| 04:24.49 | Borg^Queen | anyone else? |
| 04:24.57 | memem | is that wanting kdeplasmoids |
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| 04:29.13 | memem | hmm is plasma a kdesupport one ? |
| 04:36.12 | memem | damn going round in circles agian trying to find out what src package plasma would be in |
| 04:36.31 | memem | plasma page to find out what or where to download is not good |
| 04:36.36 | Borg^Queen | doesn't seem like we are going to get any help here. |
| 04:36.38 | Borg^Queen | good luck |
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| 04:44.48 | mwoehlke | I meant KDE4 :-) |
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| 05:20.25 | misc-- | is it possible to have some other custom shortcuts on some apps? For example with my chat client Kopete and Konsole, I want to use alt+1 to switch to tab 1, alt+2 to switch to tab 2, etc, rather than alt left/right etc. Is there some kind of "deeper" way to configure shortcuts? |
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| 05:22.37 | misc-- | Konversation is good... alt 1/2/3/4 for tab 1/2/3/4 |
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| 05:29.54 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
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| 05:30.28 | raddy | When would IRC functionality be reintegrated in Kopete 4x |
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| 05:31.02 | comawhite | I'm using KDE-4.0.98. And was wondering how can I change the clock from military time to AM-PM time? |
| 05:31.23 | comawhite | i don't see it in the click settings |
| 05:31.26 | comawhite | clock* |
| 05:33.39 | raddy | comawhite: click Configure Desktop, in there, choose "Regional and Language," under "Personal" |
| 05:33.49 | comawhite | thank you |
| 05:35.22 | Jucato | raddy: you can ask in #kopete |
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| 05:44.40 | pht | is there some equivalent of kommander in kde4 ? |
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| 05:59.26 | ABCD | I'm using KDE-4.0.98. Is there a way to change dolphin from single-click-to-open to double-click-to-open? |
| 06:00.28 | Jucato | System Settings -> Keyboard and Mouse -> Mouse |
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| 06:05.10 | ABCD | Jucato: ...not where I expected it... thx |
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| 06:05.35 | Jucato | ABCD: because it's not a feature of Dolphin only, but of the whole KDE system |
| 06:05.46 | ABCD | ah |
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| 06:11.10 | memem | how important to kdebase is thta webkit ? |
| 06:11.37 | pedepy2 | not / |
| 06:11.43 | pedepy2 | important? |
| 06:11.52 | pedepy2 | did you ask how important was webkit to kdebase ? |
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| 06:12.41 | memem | yeah |
| 06:13.12 | pedepy2 | well i would assume webkit depends on kdebase, not the other way around |
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| 06:13.31 | pedepy2 | then again, that is if were talkin about the kpart port of webkit |
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| 06:16.07 | memem | cmake package FindWebKitKde.cmake was not found. This package needs webkitkde to be compile all program cmake messages :0 |
| 06:16.45 | memem | see that with kdebase-workspace too |
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| 06:17.40 | memem | err nv that last one |
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| 06:22.56 | Dumble | hello world ! |
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| 06:42.13 | scott` | KDevelop seems to be forkbombing me... I created a new C++ hello world project, and during compile, "/bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=link g++ -O0 -g3 -o helloworld helloworld.o" is run, and it seems to fork into many many processes, until my machine starts running slowly, then locks up. I've reproduced the error four times, but I can prevent my machine from locking up by doing "killall sh". Has anyone had this happen before? |
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| 06:52.33 | memem | ok it needs kdelibs->kdepimlibs->kde-workspace->kdebase->kdebase-runtime-> not sure about the last 2 but the workspace has to be compiled first since it has a few headers the last 2 need |
| 06:52.37 | memem | whats is the kdewebkit ? |
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| 07:00.33 | Moult | in konqueror, how do i open a directory with root perms? |
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| 07:12.03 | sandsmark | memem: the webkit kpart is in playground, iirc |
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| 07:30.29 | rvsjoen | can you tell katapult which folders to index ? |
| 07:34.53 | sandsmark | iDunno, katapult isn't an official kde app, look in it's settings |
| 07:35.16 | rvsjoen | ok |
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| 07:39.05 | memem | hmm looks like kde4 doesn't work with MusicBrainz 3 . tumepimp doesn't either |
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| 07:40.42 | memem | well 4.0.98 dunno about the svn . probably not since tunepimp is coded to work with version 3 either |
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| 07:53.29 | sigma_ | i dont get it, my win mobile phone acts as a modem fine under kppp-kde3 but under kppp-kde4 i never dial out, it just says ERR and sends large amounts of data out of the phone to nowhere |
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| 08:06.06 | xfury | is there a date set for 4.1? |
| 08:06.50 | gkiagia | xfury: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.1_Release_Schedule |
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| 08:09.41 | sacarde | hi |
| 08:09.59 | sacarde | can you help me? |
| 08:10.02 | sacarde | in kmail |
| 08:10.17 | sacarde | I set antivirus scanning |
| 08:10.42 | blauzahl | (for linux?) |
| 08:10.44 | sacarde | from menu--->tools--->antivirus |
| 08:10.46 | sacarde | yes |
| 08:10.48 | sacarde | linux |
| 08:10.49 | blauzahl | ok |
| 08:10.57 | blauzahl | jsut checking. :) it does make sense |
| 08:10.58 | sacarde | I have installed clamav |
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| 08:11.03 | sacarde | I select it |
| 08:11.11 | sacarde | but....... now |
| 08:11.41 | sacarde | I would remove scanning av |
| 08:11.45 | sacarde | how? |
| 08:13.01 | sandsmark | I think you go to Settings -> Configure filters |
| 08:13.31 | sacarde | filter? |
| 08:13.49 | sacarde | filter is for ml filter |
| 08:13.56 | sandsmark | yes, I think the wizard sets up a filter |
| 08:14.11 | sacarde | mmmmm |
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| 08:14.26 | sacarde | antivirus create a filter ??? |
| 08:14.44 | sandsmark | for heaven's sake, just look at the filters |
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| 08:25.05 | sacarde | thanks |
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| 08:40.00 | jreznik | #fedora-kde |
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| 08:41.15 | ttf | hello - where does kde 3.5 save it's session-configuration? |
| 08:41.43 | ttf | the information if you click on kmenu and then choose "save session" |
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| 08:58.12 | blauzahl | come say moin lots on #kde-chat :D |
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| 09:06.22 | Moult | i'm trying to make kmail open links with firefox. searching in kde help tells me to go to kcontrol and change file associations for HTML files. i've done that, saved, closed, reopened kmail but it opens in GVim. I look at the file web URL and realise it ends in a .php extension, i check kcontrol file associations for php and add firefox there and move it to the top of the stack. save, restart kmail...still no change. what am i missing? |
| 09:06.44 | sandsmark | change default browser? |
| 09:06.55 | Moult | sandsmark aha, but it opens in GVim, not even konqueror |
| 09:06.57 | sandsmark | Default Applications |
| 09:07.03 | sandsmark | well, then iDunno |
| 09:07.09 | sandsmark | I don't use gvim, I prefer just vim =p |
| 09:07.29 | Moult | i got gvim installed just because it played nice with my vim colourscheme :) |
| 09:07.52 | Moult | also easier to resize frames in gvim |
| 09:08.05 | sandsmark | apropos, there's a nice zenburn colorscheme for kde on kde-look =) |
| 09:08.12 | sandsmark | I hardly ever use frames |
| 09:08.24 | Moult | sandsmark wassat? |
| 09:08.25 | sandsmark | I suck at multitasking =) |
| 09:08.38 | sandsmark | zenburn is a nice vim colorscheme |
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| 09:08.49 | Moult | i gotta check it out... i use oceandeep atm |
| 09:09.22 | Moult | sandsmark how do i change default applications? |
| 09:09.31 | gkiagia | Moult: if the php file is not served by a php web server, it is normal to open in an editor |
| 09:09.49 | Moult | gkiagia this is served by a webserver |
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| 09:10.28 | gkiagia | Moult: but maybe the server has trouble? have you tried opening it in a browser? it happens some times... |
| 09:10.32 | VSpike | hi.. When using KDE apps I keep seeing this message on the terminal: kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found |
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| 09:10.44 | VSpike | I can't find anything useful with Google .. any ideas? |
| 09:11.00 | Moult | gkiagia checking now |
| 09:11.20 | VSpike | I tried out KFlickr and it didn't show any image thumbnails at all, so it's not just a spurious message :) |
| 09:11.43 | Moult | gkiagia it works just by copy-pasting |
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| 09:11.53 | gkiagia | hmm... |
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| 09:13.01 | blauzahl | grep -r ThumbCreator * .... |
| 09:13.10 | gkiagia | Moult: tried changing the default browser from the default applications tab in kcontrol? |
| 09:13.20 | Moult | gkiagia simply opening any local .php file opens in firefox, so that means that my changes in kcontrol actually did affect something, but not kmail |
| 09:14.03 | pinotree | VSpike: how did you install kde? |
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| 09:14.33 | Moult | gkiagia i cannot find this default apps tab |
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| 09:15.04 | blauzahl | ....it's a class. |
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| 09:15.51 | VSpike | pinotree: I just installed some KDE apps using my package manager |
| 09:15.57 | gkiagia | Moult: well, I am sure it is there... I have kde4 here though, can't help, sorry |
| 09:16.07 | pinotree | "some kde apps" like? |
| 09:16.21 | pinotree | and which kde version? |
| 09:16.31 | VSpike | pinotree: amarok, k3b, ktnef, kate... and it has pulled in konqueror and a few other ones automatically |
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| 09:16.36 | Moult | kde 3.5.x ... isn't kde 4 still unstable? |
| 09:16.51 | sandsmark | Moult: 4.1 is on rc1 now |
| 09:16.53 | Moult | gkiagia in kcontrol searching for keywords applications or default come up with irrelevant stuff |
| 09:16.56 | sandsmark | rc2 is in the works |
| 09:16.58 | VSpike | pinotree: kde 3.5.8 |
| 09:17.05 | gkiagia | Moult: I think it's under kde components |
| 09:17.21 | Moult | sandsmark last time i tried kde 4 in gentoo i noticed some nasty bugs |
| 09:17.22 | gkiagia | Moult: kde 4.1 rc1 is stable for me |
| 09:17.52 | gkiagia | sandsmark: will there be rc2 ? |
| 09:18.00 | sandsmark | Moult: 4.1 is miles ahead of 4.0, already |
| 09:18.06 | sandsmark | gkiagia: I got a mail about it, at least |
| 09:18.39 | VSpike | pinotree: this install started off as kubuntu, the I added the GNOME desktop, then I purged KDE and ran openbox for a long time, and finally cracked when trying to use various tools to burn playlists to CD unsuccessfully and installed Amarok and k3b... |
| 09:18.42 | kriko | Are there any optimizations for xorg.conf if you use intel 945G graphics? I turned on EXA but scrolling in opera seems slower |
| 09:18.44 | sandsmark | gkiagia: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2008-July/002277.html |
| 09:18.53 | sandsmark | gkiagia: so, at least a new snapshot |
| 09:19.04 | pinotree | VSpike: either you ignore the message, or install the kio plugins of kdebase |
| 09:19.04 | sandsmark | and probably rc2 |
| 09:19.05 | gkiagia | the release schedule doesn't mention it... anyway, I guess the release will be a little bit late |
| 09:19.07 | Moult | sandsmark ah well, i'll wait until it isn't on an overlay |
| 09:19.14 | sandsmark | Moult: gentoo? |
| 09:19.17 | VSpike | pinotree: but, i don't think that should matter - basically it's some KDE apps installed on a clean ubuntu system |
| 09:19.17 | sandsmark | mkay |
| 09:19.18 | Moult | gkiagia aha got it fixed yeah |
| 09:19.20 | Moult | sandsmark yeah |
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| 09:19.47 | sandsmark | Moult: from what I heard the overlays where quite okay, though, but do as you please =) |
| 09:19.49 | Moult | gkiagia Kcontrol --> components chooser --> web browser --> select app (firefox) --> apply |
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| 09:20.03 | blauzahl | VSpike: you could always upgrade to 3.5.9 and see if it goes away |
| 09:20.11 | pinotree | blauzahl: doubt |
| 09:20.21 | Moult | sandsmark i'm fine with the 3 series atm...half the time i don't use kde anyway |
| 09:20.35 | blauzahl | pinotree: what does it mean? |
| 09:20.52 | sandsmark | Moult: well, 3.5 is still maintained, so, even a planned 3.5.10 release =) |
| 09:21.06 | pinotree | sandsmark: not really |
| 09:21.23 | sandsmark | pinotree: not really maintained, or not really a 3.5.10 release? |
| 09:21.28 | Moult | sandsmark once kde 4's out on the main portage tree i'm gonna switch, i won't lose anything right? (eg: settings for apps) |
| 09:21.28 | pinotree | the former |
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| 09:22.30 | sandsmark | pinotree: ah, I meant more "supported" than "maintained", as in commercial distros still will provide fixes for critical bugs =p |
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| 09:23.59 | pinotree | commercial distros are always an own world, you cannot consider that, evne if sticking emoticons to me. |
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| 09:24.16 | VSpike | pinotree: you're a genius, thanks... i figured it had to be a missing component but just not sure which. kdebase-kio-plugins did the trick |
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| 09:25.44 | VSpike | pinotree: and now kflickr works too :) thanks! |
| 09:27.12 | Moult | i think i use about 30% of the apps that come with kde |
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| 09:56.24 | friedrich| | hmm.. kopete from beta2 can't create a kio-slave (http) what is wrong? |
| 09:56.49 | sns | I want to create the default look on KDE and then use kiosktool or something similar to lock it down so that user can't change it anymore. This is KDE 3. Can anyone help? |
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| 10:00.49 | javor | Hi |
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| 10:03.19 | dmseg | hello, is this cahnnel loged? |
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| 10:03.40 | pinotree | dmseg: why? |
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| 10:04.18 | dmseg | i have recived that there was spamming here to request a k-line i need logs |
| 10:04.50 | dmseg | #kde-ops |
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| 10:06.06 | sns | Anyone experienced with making default profiles for KDE? I need help doing a real simple profile where all modifications are - remove everything from taskbar except firefox icon, set screensaver, set a desktop icon |
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| 10:06.14 | sns | and user can't do anything about it |
| 10:06.23 | jpds | dmseg: There is no such channel. |
| 10:06.47 | dmseg | jpds: sorry my mistake it was printed |
| 10:07.14 | sns | dmesg |grep money |
| 10:07.50 | dmseg | jpds: i did not want to disturb the cahnnel so i thought there was a ops channel to |
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| 10:12.04 | javor | where I can found option to load aspell in konversation ? |
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| 10:26.11 | sns | Does anyone know how I can disable right click in KDE 3.x? |
| 10:28.17 | annma | what for? |
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| 10:28.50 | Dyllan | hi all. |
| 10:29.26 | sandsmark | sns: if you want to set up a kiosk, look into kiosktool |
| 10:29.48 | sns | sandsmark I've already done it. It's not restricted enough and I just need to disable right click menus to be where I want to be |
| 10:29.54 | sns | thanks for the suggestion though |
| 10:30.02 | sandsmark | oh, ok |
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| 10:32.13 | sandsmark | sns: sorry, I didn't read backlog, I see now that you mentioned it already =) |
| 10:32.57 | sns | no worries :) |
| 10:33.13 | Dyllan | Guys im getting a strange occurence in KMAIL. New mail that my users are receiving are appearing blank, body of email is completely white when trying to open. We use tje IMAP protocol, i cant work out why it does this. A temporary fix is to remove the users name and password to refresh their imap folders. this doesnt happen on thunderbird, does anyone have any ideas - thanks. |
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| 10:33.39 | sandsmark | Dyllan: what if you press "v"? |
| 10:33.55 | bonsaikitten | Dyllan: try moving the window frames around, I've had a bug like that where resizing made it display |
| 10:34.19 | Dyllan | Hmm, ok "v" and moving frames, i will try that quick. |
| 10:34.54 | sandsmark | Dyllan: also, if you are using kde 4 (I don't know if it is in the kde 3 version) you can right click on the folder and select "troubleshoot imap cache" |
| 10:35.21 | Dyllan | Not using KDE4 at the moment, but maybe i can try some different IMAP options ! |
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| 10:36.00 | sandsmark | Dyllan: I prefer to use disconnected imap, that might help too |
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| 10:42.19 | eSa| | hi, is this address working? kde-docs@kdemail.net |
| 10:42.53 | eSa| | i got a 550 user non exhistant when tryng to send |
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| 10:46.49 | Jucato | eSa|: looks old. try the suggestions here; http://www.kde.org/getinvolved/documentation/ |
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| 10:52.57 | sns | how do I remove panel in kde 3.5? |
| 10:53.17 | cb400f | you don't.. that's one of the new features of kde4.x ;-) |
| 10:53.48 | cb400f | you can hide it or move it.. but not remove it in any pretty way |
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| 10:55.26 | dyscoria | just a quick question: is kdebindings only for if you want do some scripting yourself on a program or is it an actual requirement for running programs that aren't written in C++? |
| 10:55.57 | Jucato | cb400f: actually he can, sort of |
| 10:56.12 | sandsmark | dyscoria: it is a requirement |
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| 10:56.26 | dyscoria | sandsmark: thanks |
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| 10:57.13 | Jucato | well, not all of kdebindings, but only those parts that you absolutely need. distros usually package them seperately... unless you're compiling of course |
| 10:57.54 | Jucato | cb400f: just for reference (I already gave it to sns) http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Hidden%20configuration |
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| 10:58.34 | cb400f | Jucato: ok, thanks |
| 10:59.49 | Raven | hey guys can anyone link me to fedora channel |
| 11:00.05 | Jucato | #fedora |
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| 11:18.04 | pgega | Hi there, I cannot update K menu with kmenuedit, the changes are not saved at all. if i delete menu file at ~/.config/menus/ kemnuedit creates new one and I cannot modify that one too. |
| 11:18.42 | ann_eat | no rights? |
| 11:19.31 | pgega | drwxrwxrwx 2 pgega pgega 4096 Jul 18 12:06 menus |
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| 11:19.50 | pgega | -rw-r--r-- 1 pgega pgega 951 Jul 18 12:06 applications-kmenuedit.menu |
| 11:21.10 | annma | so why can't you modify it? |
| 11:21.52 | pgega | i do not know, I cannot modify it with menuedit |
| 11:22.12 | annma | did you ask your distribution channel? |
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| 11:25.25 | eramax_ | i have installed kde 4.1 on ubuntu 8.04 and i have some problems ;my problem first is how to add items and folders on desktop |
| 11:25.37 | pgega | I did not, but I ve just found the reason, .local/share/application was not writable |
| 11:26.21 | eramax_ | i have installed kde 4.1 on ubuntu 8.04 and i have some problems ;my problem first is how to add items and folders on desktop |
| 11:26.30 | pgega | Next thing is, how to hange app icons on system tray and titlebars, they seems do not change when I change icons themes |
| 11:26.31 | Jucato | eramax_: a bit of patience? |
| 11:26.39 | eramax_ | ok |
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| 11:27.17 | sandsmark | eramax_: ctrl+a, and drag out a folder view |
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| 11:27.31 | Jucato | you can ask in #kubuntu-kde4 how to get the Folder View Plasmoid. that would let you have a widget to show the ~/Desktop folder contents |
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| 11:27.58 | sandsmark | yeah, kubuntu doesn't ship the folder view as default =3 |
| 11:28.07 | sandsmark | %s,as,by,g |
| 11:28.14 | Jucato | sandsmark: I think that was a misunderstanding or something |
| 11:28.51 | sandsmark | oh, ok |
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| 11:29.46 | looonger | will kde4.1 be the default kde in the next kubuntu release? |
| 11:29.56 | sandsmark | looonger: ask in #kubuntu |
| 11:30.02 | Jucato | sandsmark: no! |
| 11:30.04 | Jucato | #kubuntu-kde4 |
| 11:30.16 | eramax_ | how to add items and folders on desktop |
| 11:30.32 | eramax_ | how to add items and folders on desktop on my kde 4.1 on ubuntu |
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| 11:30.33 | sandsmark | Jucato: but isn't it a generic question (default installs)? |
| 11:30.47 | pgega | how to hange app icons on system tray and titlebars, they seems do not change when I change icons themes (kde 3.5) |
| 11:30.48 | sandsmark | eramax_: please don't repeat your question that often |
| 11:31.07 | Jucato | sandsmark: theoretically yes. but practically, those who would know most about KDE 4 for Kubuntu would be in #kubuntu-kde4 |
| 11:31.09 | pgega | ^ Is it only done by editing icon themes |
| 11:31.11 | Jucato | anyway I got this |
| 11:31.17 | eramax_ | ok but there is noww answer is it a ligal question |
| 11:31.19 | sandsmark | Jucato: ok =) |
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| 11:45.18 | gkiagia | any idea what I am missing here? /home/gkiagia/src/playground-plasma/applets/keyboardLeds/keyboardLeds.cpp:119: undefined reference to `XQueryPointer' |
| 11:46.06 | annma | ask in #plasma for stuff like that |
| 11:46.18 | annma | this is playground which means heavy development |
| 11:46.35 | annma | even /me does not build it |
| 11:46.54 | gkiagia | sure :) |
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| 12:50.53 | sandsmark | akregator suddenly hung, and connecting with ltrace I see this: http://rafb.net/p/PKt8Op81.html |
| 12:52.48 | sandsmark | well, I at least got the chance to see the cute ctrl+alt+escape icon again =) |
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| 13:07.04 | gkiagia | sandsmark: connecting with gdb would be more readable.. ;) |
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| 13:10.22 | sandsmark | gkiagia: I know, but I already killed it =p |
| 13:10.32 | sandsmark | thought of that too late =p |
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| 13:11.36 | gkiagia | what I notice even from myself is that geeks tend to think the most difficult way first... then the easy one :P |
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| 13:13.16 | cb400f | gkiagia: I think non-geeks/enthusiasts tend to piss in their pants to keep warm ;-) .. it's a very easy method, but shortsighted |
| 13:13.39 | Jucato | let's... not get too carried away |
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| 13:19.04 | Moult | i'm on konqueror browsing some files then i want to do something that requires root, how do i quickly switch over? |
| 13:19.59 | Jucato | Moult: in www.kde-apps.org, look for service menus that allow you to do that if you want the easy, right-click way |
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| 13:20.30 | Moult | Jucato there's no built-in way? |
| 13:20.40 | sandsmark | Moult: through the service menus =) |
| 13:21.06 | sandsmark | Moult: if you're lucky, your distro either provides packages, or includes them by default |
| 13:21.09 | Jucato | Moult: service menus would be the "built in way to allow plugins" :) |
| 13:21.30 | Moult | can you give the name of it so i can see if it's in portage/ |
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| 13:21.47 | sandsmark | kde 3 or kde 4, btw? |
| 13:21.59 | Moult | 3 |
| 13:22.14 | sandsmark | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Root+Actions+Servicemenu?content=48411 |
| 13:22.18 | Madkiss_ | sandsmark: 1. 0ldsk00l. ;) |
| 13:22.43 | sandsmark | hum? |
| 13:22.58 | sandsmark | oh, version =p |
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| 13:33.32 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 13:33.54 | raddy | I am currently running KDE 4.1 |
| 13:34.38 | raddy | I have added some superkaramba widgets and OSX Widgets |
| 13:35.20 | raddy | But after that, in Add Widgets window, it is not getting reflected |
| 13:35.46 | raddy | I tried both methods of obtaining widgets |
| 13:36.03 | raddy | through Hot New Stuff and from File |
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| 13:39.23 | raddy | How do i install new Widgets?? |
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| 13:40.02 | gkiagia | raddy: 4.1 rc1 ? |
| 13:40.23 | raddy | gkiagia: yup |
| 13:40.33 | gkiagia | sounds like a bug, maybe ask in #plasma too... |
| 13:40.54 | gkiagia | I don't know |
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| 13:45.11 | \pub\bash0r | hi, I have two screens (:0.0 and :0.1) but kwin of KDE 4 RC1 seems to only run on :0.0 .... :0.1 is active, I can even move the mouse across it, but KDE doesn't use it in any way .... can I somehow fix this via some config file or something? |
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| 13:46.36 | thiago | probably not |
| 13:46.44 | thiago | multiple screens are barely supported at all |
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| 13:46.56 | \pub\bash0r | damn, so back to KDE 3.5 then :-/ |
| 13:47.03 | thiago | no |
| 13:47.11 | \pub\bash0r | xinerama is no option ;) |
| 13:47.14 | thiago | you can use kwin from KDE 3 but the rest of KDE 4 |
| 13:47.18 | \pub\bash0r | oh |
| 13:47.26 | thiago | you don't have to switch the entire desktop because of the WM |
| 13:47.45 | Celestar | what about compiz? (= |
| 13:47.50 | \pub\bash0r | but I guess that also removes any eyecandy? (I guess compositing is managed by kwin) |
| 13:47.56 | thiago | what happens if you start a program in that second screen? |
| 13:47.58 | thiago | does it get borders? |
| 13:48.22 | Kame2 | does anybody know what i can do that kde 4.1 runs /usr/sbin/hibernate for hibernation? |
| 13:48.32 | \pub\bash0r | hmm haven't tried that yet - I'll try that in a moment |
| 13:48.58 | thiago | how did you come to the conclusion that KDE doesn't use it if you haven't tried to run something there? |
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| 13:50.28 | \pub\bash0r | because not even the cursor was managed - it is the default X cursor |
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| 13:50.50 | \pub\bash0r | and no, the windows I spawn there have no borders |
| 13:51.08 | memem | ah darn now I just look up and see 4.1rc1 is out and I just got the .98 yesterday ugh |
| 13:51.37 | bonsaikitten | that is rc1 |
| 13:51.50 | bonsaikitten | hands memem a small clue ;) |
| 13:52.34 | memem | ah yeah damn time for bed |
| 13:52.45 | bonsaikitten | :) |
| 13:52.54 | bonsaikitten | it's almost 4pm, time for a nap ... |
| 13:52.58 | memem | I never really looked at it from the page I just ftp it ;) |
| 13:53.12 | sandsmark | :p |
| 13:53.35 | thiago | yeah, then kwin isn't handling that second screen |
| 13:53.42 | \pub\bash0r | thought so :D |
| 13:53.49 | thiago | just run /path/to/kde3/kwin --replace |
| 13:54.37 | memem | must be quite a diff with kde3 kwin and kde4 thou eh |
| 13:55.51 | \pub\bash0r | hmm it still doesn't use the second screen |
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| 13:56.17 | \pub\bash0r | if I launch KDE3 directly (via kdm) it works fine |
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| 13:56.33 | thiago | then I don't know how to help you |
| 13:56.43 | thiago | what happens if you run this: |
| 13:56.48 | thiago | DISPLAY=:0.1 kwin |
| 13:57.02 | thiago | does it start or does it complain that there is a WM running already? |
| 13:57.12 | thiago | doesn't know if WMs run per display or per screen |
| 13:57.16 | \pub\bash0r | it complains that there is another WM running |
| 13:57.23 | thiago | yeah, per display then |
| 13:57.27 | thiago | I'm out of ideas |
| 13:57.56 | \pub\bash0r | I guess this is something which isn't to be expected for 4.1 then |
| 13:58.20 | thiago | given that you're probably the first to try KDE 4 on multiple screens, yes |
| 13:58.26 | thiago | Xinerama works, though. I can vouch for that. |
| 13:58.32 | \pub\bash0r | yep I tried that |
| 13:58.44 | \pub\bash0r | although desktop effects didn't work with xinerama |
| 13:58.49 | \pub\bash0r | probably due to the nvidia drivers |
| 14:01.01 | thiago | they did for me |
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| 14:01.08 | thiago | and using NVidia drivers (173) |
| 14:01.18 | \pub\bash0r | hmm |
| 14:01.19 | memem | hmm now boost 3.5.1 must be svn . don't see it on thier page |
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| 14:01.56 | \pub\bash0r | it complained about some extensions not being available ... although I used the same xorg config as before, "just" with xinerama enabled |
| 14:02.47 | jazka | \pub\bash0r: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156475 , I tried it before too, with dual head, without xinerama/twinview |
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| 14:06.42 | \pub\bash0r | jazka: good to know, thanks :) |
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| 14:10.12 | \pub\bash0r | maybe I somehow get another WM running on that screen .... since I use that mainly for KvIRC and Pidgin, I could live with that |
| 14:11.57 | sandsmark | ratpoison =D |
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| 14:12.51 | pinotree | memem: look at www.boost.org ... |
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| 14:27.45 | naudiz | my trash can doesn't work properly on kde -- it won't let me open it with konqueror and it stores trash only untill the next reboot where it spits it back out onto the desktop |
| 14:28.30 | gkiagia | naudiz: kde version? |
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| 14:29.15 | naudiz | gkiagia 3.5.9 |
| 14:29.29 | gkiagia | strange... |
| 14:29.57 | naudiz | I'm using kdemod so I think maybe the maintainers patched the hell out of kde and broke some of it's functionality |
| 14:30.42 | naudiz | gkiagia: http://kdemod.ath.cx |
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| 14:30.48 | gkiagia | sandsmark: ^^ |
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| 14:31.57 | sandsmark | naudiz: no, we just split, and apply mostly the same patches as for example kubuntu |
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| 14:32.18 | sandsmark | naudiz: but take it to #chakra or #shaman-arch? |
| 14:32.30 | naudiz | ok |
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| 14:33.20 | gkiagia | naudiz: just a thought.. could it possibly be that you don't have permissions in ~/.local/share/Trash ? |
| 14:34.27 | pinotree | <sandsmark> naudiz: no, we just split, and apply mostly the same patches as for example kubuntu â something to be *really* proud about, congrats |
| 14:35.08 | naudiz | gkiagia: I'll check that |
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| 14:35.46 | sandsmark | pinotree: I wasn't trying to be proud, just stating a fact (and I came in after kde 3, we don't patch kde 4) |
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| 14:36.36 | naudiz | gkiagia: no I have permission |
| 14:36.49 | naudiz | gkiagia: or the right permissions |
| 14:36.51 | sandsmark | (and dunkelstern, the old 64-bit maintainer wrote a couple of the patches, which also kubuntu ended up including) |
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| 14:37.53 | \pub\bash0r | cc |
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| 14:38.18 | gkiagia | naudiz: I really have no idea if permissions can be the problem... I was just trying to coordinate your research ;) |
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| 15:13.18 | Bendie | Mouse gestures aren't working on my Kde 4.1 RC1. I configured them correctly (I think), but no effect. |
| 15:13.29 | thiago | that's expected |
| 15:13.33 | thiago | they don't work right now |
| 15:13.47 | flami | Hi, I guess for http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53885 (dark color scheme -> dark background + blacktext in some website ) there is no workaround ? |
| 15:14.01 | flami | its Konqueror -^ |
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| 15:14.16 | Bendie | thiago: When are they expected to work? 4.1 final? |
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| 15:14.19 | thiago | no |
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| 15:14.22 | thiago | 4.2 hopefully |
| 15:15.08 | Bendie | thiago: AArrrg. Seems I'll have to stay with Kde 3 for the time being. |
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| 15:15.33 | Bendie | But why, I might ask, is there a module for khotkeys in system settings if it doesn't work? |
| 15:16.02 | thiago | because it wasn't removed |
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| 15:16.22 | thiago | it's just waiting for someone to fix it |
| 15:16.27 | Bendie | This might be the reason... |
| 15:16.32 | Bendie | ;-) |
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| 15:17.09 | jrick | I may have to learn C++/Qt just to add that feature |
| 15:17.14 | jrick | loves his mouse guestures |
| 15:17.27 | Bendie | To bad my c++ skills are tiny and I don't have the time to refresh them... |
| 15:17.55 | thiago | me too |
| 15:18.12 | thiago | also missing for me is a non-distorted wallpaper slideshow |
| 15:18.18 | thiago | plus working global shortcuts |
| 15:18.22 | nite613 | Dumb question about dual-head in KDE. I've got an Asus laptop with an Nvidia card and an external VGA connector. In the KDE system settings I find "Monitor & Display" which lets me turn on a second displayu, set resolutions, orientations, etc. But it doesn't seem to DO anything |
| 15:18.38 | Bendie | Could someone please at least remove the settings module? I spend quite some time figuring out how to get gestures working. |
| 15:18.38 | nite613 | the second screen never comes up, there are no changes to my xorg.conf, etc. |
| 15:18.39 | thiago | nite613: use nvidia-settings |
| 15:18.41 | nite613 | do I have to set this up in xorg.conf ahead of time? |
| 15:18.57 | nite613 | tries nvidia-settings |
| 15:18.57 | Bendie | I mean, for 4.1 final... |
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| 15:19.06 | thiago | nite613: I've never managed to make the NVidia drivers accept configuration from xrandr. |
| 15:19.21 | nite613 | thiago: thanks, good to know! |
| 15:19.23 | thiago | nite613: but they can effect the change by themselves |
| 15:19.37 | flami | you could file a bug and say that it should be removed ^^ |
| 15:19.38 | thiago | nite613: important to know: if you want a nice Xinerama, you have to start X in Xinerama mode |
| 15:19.53 | jazka | just use twinview with nvidia ^^ |
| 15:19.53 | thiago | nite613: otherwise the NVidia drivers don't report two screens. They report one big one. |
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| 15:20.09 | thiago | Bendie: it won't be removed. |
| 15:20.32 | Bendie | thiago: Why? |
| 15:20.46 | pinotree | because khotkeys is not only gestures |
| 15:20.46 | thiago | because khotkeys isn't completely busted. |
| 15:20.54 | thiago | just the gestures. |
| 15:21.14 | Bendie | thiago: Global shortcuts aren't working either here... |
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| 15:21.43 | thiago | that's something that can be fixed during the 4.1 timeline |
| 15:21.58 | Bendie | Which part of khotkeys is actually expected to work in 4.1 RC1? |
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| 15:22.42 | thiago | by "expected to work" do you mean "we know it's working" or "it should be working and, if it isn't, should be fixed"? |
| 15:23.12 | Bendie | I mean "we know it's working" |
| 15:23.19 | thiago | then I don't know the answer |
| 15:23.25 | Bendie | ;-) |
| 15:23.48 | thiago | the reason it's still there is because it's should be fixed if it isn't working |
| 15:23.49 | snowdonkey | Hi. I just downloaded the kwin dropshadow patch for kdebase 3.5.7, but how do I actually apply the patch? I got the patch from this page: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kwin+dropshadow+patch+for+kde+3.5.7?content=59683 |
| 15:23.55 | thiago | we don't remove programs because they crash... |
| 15:24.35 | nite613 | nvidia-settings works great, thanks guys! |
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| 15:25.06 | aleksanteri | snowdonkey, you get the kwin sources and apply the patch into them. |
| 15:25.15 | thiago | snowdonkey: it's a source code patch |
| 15:25.21 | thiago | snowdonkey: get the sources for kdebase, apply the patch, rebuild |
| 15:25.28 | Bendie | Well, I just suggest to somehow notify users that gestures aren't working. It's really frustrating If you spend hours configuring gestures with no effect. Additionally, the khotkeys settings UI is really bad. Checking checkboxes to disable something. :-( |
| 15:26.01 | thiago | yes, that should be part of a "known issues" page |
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| 15:27.17 | snowdonkey | Ok. What's the command I'll need to apply the patch once I have the sources? |
| 15:27.24 | Bendie | Besides that, 4.1 is coming along very nicely. I really like it. Too bad I'm used to using mouse gestures for nearly everything... |
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| 15:28.28 | sbattey | will global input actions work for 4.1? |
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| 15:32.23 | Bendie | thiago: I can't find any bug report on the missing mouse gestures on bugs.kde.org. Should I file one? |
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| 15:35.08 | thiago | Bendie: I think so. |
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| 15:35.38 | scruggsj | What file in the source code do I need to modify to change the default fonts, so when KDE is compiled and installed, the fonts are new ones I want? |
| 15:36.07 | sbattey | scruggsj: fonts can be set system wide in system settings |
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| 15:36.32 | sbattey | scruggsj: also, it will use a fonts config file in the home directory is anything |
| 15:36.40 | sbattey | s/is/if |
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| 15:37.20 | sbattey | scruggsj: System Settings -> Appearance -> Fonts |
| 15:37.25 | scruggsj | sbattery: That's after install, I want to change the defaults so when it is installed on a fresh install, the fonts are the ones I have chosen |
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| 15:37.32 | _genuser_ | hello people. |
| 15:38.32 | sbattey | scruggsj: why? |
| 15:38.34 | _genuser_ | having issues running Konq. I errors saying: Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_http' |
| 15:38.48 | sbattey | scruggsj: i think kde looks at the fonts config rc file |
| 15:38.49 | _genuser_ | *It errors.... |
| 15:38.49 | thiago | _genuser_: check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 15:39.10 | scruggsj | sbattey: Is that in kdelibs or kdebase? |
| 15:39.18 | sbattey | scruggsj: it's a system file |
| 15:39.24 | sbattey | scruggsj: it's not in kde |
| 15:40.18 | sbattey | scruggsj: ~/.fonts.conf |
| 15:40.47 | _genuser_ | thiago: file doesn't exist. |
| 15:41.00 | scruggsj | sbatty: I thought KDE had it's system wide defaults for whole system, so if you were to add a new user, those defaults would be given to the new user until the user changed them? |
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| 15:41.23 | sbattey | scruggsj: i don't think so. |
| 15:41.40 | thiago | _genuser_: how did you log in to KDE? |
| 15:42.06 | sbattey | Thgat is an interesting crash :) |
| 15:42.21 | sbattey | pressing enter with nothing in the address bar of dolphin crashes it. |
| 15:42.36 | scruggsj | sbatty: Thanks |
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| 15:42.52 | _genuser_ | thiago: XSESSION=kde-4 startx |
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| 15:43.00 | Jucato | scruggsj: KDE just defaults to using "Sans Serif" and "Sans" and "Mono", and leaves it up to the distro/system to choose what those are |
| 15:43.05 | thiago | _genuser_: then look at the terminal where you typed that. |
| 15:43.08 | _genuser_ | thiago: no greeter or gdm/kdm. |
| 15:43.12 | _genuser_ | thiago: ok... |
| 15:43.15 | thiago | _genuser_: check if there are errors printed about starting kio_http |
| 15:43.53 | sbattey | Jucato: is there a system wide font config file? like the one in home? |
| 15:44.00 | scruggsj | Juncato: Is there a way to change that? I want to make my own KDE package and have new defaults. |
| 15:44.34 | Jucato | sbattey, scruggsj: I don't know. sorry |
| 15:44.52 | Jucato | (maybe it's hard coded to use those "fonts" or aliases for fonts...) |
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| 15:45.41 | sbattey | Jucato: that is my bet, but who knows where lol |
| 15:46.28 | _genuser_ | thiago: /usr/kde/libs/.... kio_http.so missing. some libs are missing. |
| 15:46.47 | scruggsj | What is the dev channel again? :D |
| 15:47.03 | thiago | _genuser_: installation problem then. |
| 15:47.04 | sbattey | scruggsj: they will yell at you if you even consider it. |
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| 15:47.12 | thiago | _genuser_: I recommend taking a look at your packages. |
| 15:47.37 | sbattey | scruggsj: but it is #kde-devel if you want to try |
| 15:48.12 | _genuser_ | thiago: you are right. This installation is missing stuff. Will have to investigate. :) thanks for quick troubleshooting. |
| 15:48.49 | scruggsj | sbatty: That's why kde-dev didn't work. I forgot the el part. -_- |
| 15:49.09 | sbattey | scruggsj: they can be very hostile in there |
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| 15:49.36 | Jucato | ... |
| 15:50.18 | Bendie | Another problem with kde 4.1 rc1: thumbnail file previews don't work for pdf files. Known problem? |
| 15:50.33 | scruggsj | sbatty: They can? :S That's not how I remember. It's been like 6 months since I have been in any KDE channel. :P |
| 15:50.57 | sbattey | scruggsj: a lot has happened in 6 months |
| 15:51.02 | Jucato | scruggsj: he just had some bad experience. that's all |
| 15:51.14 | scruggsj | Jucato: Ah. |
| 15:51.42 | scruggsj | sbatty: Yeah. A whole new release of KDE for one. :P |
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| 15:52.20 | scruggsj | Oh, I am really loving the + and - selection of files in Dolphon for KDE 4.1. That works wonders. :) |
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| 15:53.16 | sbattey | scruggsj: unless you miss the plus.....i just disabled single click mode because i like double clicking though |
| 15:53.25 | sbattey | it's easier on my touch pad\ |
| 15:53.44 | sbattey | Jucato: don't speak for me. |
| 15:54.00 | Jucato | sbattey: then please don't speak for the whole community either |
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| 15:56.13 | psicobra | hi all |
| 15:56.45 | psicobra | i have sen a few youtube clips of the kde 4 cube plugin any ideas where i can get it from |
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| 15:57.57 | Bendie | On kde 3, konqueror could generate web archives (ending .war). Now, on kde 4, konqueror can't open them any more. How can I use my hundreds of *.war files on Kde 4? |
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| 15:58.34 | gkiagia | psicobra: afaik, this is in svn trunk |
| 15:58.44 | psicobra | urrrm |
| 15:58.47 | psicobra | k......... |
| 15:58.50 | psicobra | so where do i go |
| 15:58.58 | Jucato | psicobra: it's not yet available |
| 15:59.02 | thiago | Bendie: it should open them. Another bug report. |
| 15:59.03 | Jucato | it's a Google Summer of Code project |
| 15:59.19 | gkiagia | Bendie: do you have the archiver plugin? |
| 15:59.40 | gkiagia | oh |
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| 16:05.52 | Bendie | gkiagia: maybe not... |
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| 16:06.26 | pinotree | it is there, trunk/extragear/base/konq-plugins |
| 16:06.36 | Bendie | gkiagia: how do I tell? |
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| 16:07.06 | Jucato | most likely you don't have it. in any case, I think a .war is just a tar.gz renamed (or .zip) |
| 16:07.09 | gkiagia | Bendie: settings->configure extensions (in konqueror) |
| 16:07.18 | gkiagia | if you don't see it, you don't have it |
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| 16:08.00 | gkiagia | yes it is a compressed archive, you could decompress it and open the .html file in it ;) |
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| 16:08.30 | Bendie | gkiagia: then I don't have it... Do you know if there's kubuntu package? |
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| 16:09.05 | gkiagia | Bendie: no idea.. look for konq-plugins |
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| 16:09.33 | Jucato | Bendie: you can ask in #kubuntu-kde4 |
| 16:09.39 | Jucato | (though I doubt they have packaged those yet) |
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| 16:10.04 | gkiagia | debian packaged konq-plugins recently..... |
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| 16:10.53 | Bendie | Jucato: thanks, I already did that (...waiting for an answer...) |
| 16:14.31 | Bendie | gkiagia: where do you get konqueror plugins from? |
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| 16:15.12 | gkiagia | the source code is in kde svn (trunk/extragear/base/konq-plugins) |
| 16:17.14 | Bendie | are konq-plugins from kde3 compatible to kde4? |
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| 16:17.22 | gkiagia | Bendie: no |
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| 16:22.08 | eramax_ | hello ; |
| 16:22.09 | eramax_ | i have been installed KDE 4.1 RC1 on my Ubuntu 8.04 |
| 16:22.09 | eramax_ | But i have some problems :- |
| 16:22.09 | eramax_ | 1-how can i create a launcher to application or a folder or a file in my desktop |
| 16:22.09 | eramax_ | i can not make that yet ; |
| 16:23.06 | Jucato | eramax_: please ask in #kubuntu-kde4 how to get the Folder View applet |
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| 16:23.34 | Half-Left | Jucato: Splash working for you in RC1+? |
| 16:23.46 | Jucato | Half-Left: working in RC -1 :) |
| 16:23.55 | Half-Left | ahhh :p |
| 16:24.04 | Jucato | Half-Left: I haven't upgraded because I'm set to use trunk.. which is practically 4.2.. so... |
| 16:24.14 | Half-Left | ahhh yer |
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| 16:25.53 | Half-Left | No pinheiro or Raphy to bug about it |
| 16:27.06 | pinotree | ruphy |
| 16:27.26 | Half-Left | There you are :) |
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| 16:27.59 | Half-Left | Looks again, yes ruphy |
| 16:28.29 | DrSlony | Help, every time I reboot gento some of my alsamixer settings are muted and they were to so before each reboot. How do I force them to stay, or find the culprit thats changing them? |
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| 16:30.12 | Bendie | eramax_: right click on your desktop, choose "add widgets...", find "Folder View" and drag it to the desktop. |
| 16:31.18 | Jucato | Bendie: that depends. I've read there were some problems with the Kubuntu 4.1 RC 1 packages.. so I sent him there just to be sure |
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| 16:35.10 | Bendie | Jucato: I'm using the kubuntu packages and it works... |
| 16:35.33 | Jucato | Bendie: thats good then :) |
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| 16:39.29 | Bendie | Is there a way to make folderview display thumbnail previews? |
| 16:40.18 | Half-Left | No |
| 16:40.33 | Half-Left | Maybe a feature for 4.2 |
| 16:40.37 | Bendie | ok. |
| 16:41.32 | Bendie | Another question: I'm displaying a folder in folderview containing a symbolic link to a python script which is executable. Clicking on it does not start it while in dolphin, it does. |
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| 16:42.09 | Half-Left | ask in plasma |
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| 16:42.22 | Half-Left | #plasma |
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| 16:43.20 | Half-Left | Bendie, Some file management features may not be fully implemented so maybe thats it |
| 16:43.54 | Bendie | Sorry, it doesn't work in dolphin either. Under kde3 it does. |
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| 17:02.37 | Kenjiro | good afternoon |
| 17:02.49 | DrSlony | Help, there is a windows form a crashed wine session i need to close. I cant find it in "ps aux" so i want to be able to click on it to terminate it. Is there any key kombination that i can hold while clicking on it to kill it, or any shortcut to kill the selected window? |
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| 17:03.28 | thiago | Ctrl+Alt+Esc |
| 17:03.34 | thiago | then click on the window you want to kill |
| 17:03.44 | thiago | be careful not to kill anywhere you don't want to kill |
| 17:03.52 | Kalidarn | how does one in kopete turn off the annoying popups whenever someone messages you and the window isn't highlighted |
| 17:04.05 | Kalidarn | it used to be possible im not sure if it still is, i did have a good look about |
| 17:04.07 | thiago | Kalidarn: KDE 4? |
| 17:04.10 | Kalidarn | yeah |
| 17:04.16 | Kalidarn | well 4.1 RC1 |
| 17:04.20 | thiago | you can turn off the popups altogether |
| 17:04.26 | thiago | you won't get them for any message |
| 17:04.29 | Kalidarn | excellent how ;) |
| 17:04.50 | thiago | Settings, Configure Notifications |
| 17:04.58 | Kalidarn | ah |
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| 17:05.05 | Kalidarn | ;) i was looking in configure :) |
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| 17:05.20 | Kalidarn | but i like that dialog it looks good |
| 17:05.30 | Jucato | has given up on Kopete temporarily.. :( |
| 17:05.42 | Kalidarn | why's that |
| 17:05.57 | Kalidarn | i found pidgin really annoying recently, with switchboard errors and timeouts on the msn protocol |
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| 17:06.05 | Kalidarn | nobody seems to know whats causing it |
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| 17:06.24 | martijn81-2 | in kde4 X crached after quitting game nexuiz |
| 17:06.27 | Kalidarn | (and yes i know msn sucks wang, and yes i try to get people to use xmpp :) ) |
| 17:06.41 | martijn81-2 | i got redirected to KDM |
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| 17:07.17 | Jucato | Kalidarn: because I get disconnected upon connecting to my Yahoo Messenger account... and around this time, that is vital to me :( |
| 17:07.33 | Kalidarn | ah im fortunate i don't use yahoo |
| 17:07.47 | Kalidarn | gtalk/jabber ftw |
| 17:07.51 | Jucato | good for you. other than that, I'm can manage with Kopete |
| 17:07.52 | Kalidarn | a few nubs still use msn though :( |
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| 17:08.06 | Kenjiro | back |
| 17:08.10 | Kalidarn | which is probably just as bad as yahoo |
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| 17:23.15 | _genuser_ | gentlefolks, I is noticing one other problemZZZ |
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| 17:24.13 | _genuser_ | I have updated my kdelibs (3.5.9-r4 & 4.0.5). I have updated konqueror. updated the whole system. |
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| 17:24.47 | _genuser_ | still konqueror shows an error while loading a webpage. Error is: konqueror(13930): : couldn't create slave : "Unable to create io-slave: |
| 17:25.04 | _genuser_ | on console is prints cannot find /usr/kde4.0/lib/kde4/kio_http.so |
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| 17:25.17 | kdepepo | LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? |
| 17:25.25 | _genuser_ | checking |
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| 17:25.48 | kdepepo | don't forget ldconfig |
| 17:26.02 | _genuser_ | kdepepo: checking using echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Shows blank. |
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| 17:26.33 | _genuser_ | kdepepo: ldconfig doesn't run. sudo ldconfig runs but returns to prompt without doing anything. |
| 17:26.37 | kdepepo | what's in /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 17:26.49 | _genuser_ | checking |
| 17:27.10 | Half-Left | ldconfig shouldn't take long anyway |
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| 17:27.26 | _genuser_ | kdepepo: http://rafb.net/p/FDSi4p29.html |
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| 17:27.50 | _genuser_ | Half-Left: it return right away. didn't nothing else. |
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| 17:28.13 | kdepepo | and? your conf refers /usr/kde/4.0/lib, but you installed into /usr/kde4.0/lib |
| 17:29.00 | Half-Left | _genuser_: exactly :p |
| 17:29.05 | _genuser_ | kdepepo: hmmm.... interesting. this is all installed using the package manager... so packman bug maybe...? Or still you think something I could have messed up.... |
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| 17:30.58 | _genuser_ | no wait. that was my error. the error I printed was missing a slash. Sorry have to handtype the error. |
| 17:33.16 | sandsmark | _genuser_: recompile kdelibs against the new heimdal |
| 17:33.22 | _genuser_ | kdepepo: ok ls of /usr/kde/4.0/lib/kde4 shows kio_http.so |
| 17:33.30 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: new what? |
| 17:33.32 | sandsmark | _genuser_: which distro? |
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| 17:33.38 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: gentoo. |
| 17:33.54 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: I just updated the system and recompiled konqueror. |
| 17:33.57 | sandsmark | _genuser_: in arch we recently got a new version of heimdal, which made the kio_http kioslave break |
| 17:33.59 | _genuser_ | compiled without errors. |
| 17:34.26 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: ok what is heimdal? searching.... |
| 17:34.54 | sandsmark | local/heimdal 1.2-1: Heimdal Kerberos V5 libraries |
| 17:35.08 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: I don't have it installed. |
| 17:35.18 | _genuser_ | I see it in the package manager. |
| 17:35.42 | sandsmark | _genuser_: ok, try to recompile kdelibs, then, or run that script that checks for missing libraries |
| 17:36.47 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: ok recompiled kdelibs less than 2 hrs ago. |
| 17:37.01 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: will rebuild dependencies. thanks. |
| 17:37.03 | sandsmark | _genuser_: did you update any other libraries in the meantime? |
| 17:37.08 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: nope. |
| 17:37.15 | sandsmark | weird, then |
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| 17:37.24 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: update system. updated kdelibs. update konq. |
| 17:37.58 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: it's 'coz basically all this stuff is still masked in portage. So it's exepcted to have issues. Until the devs unmask it. So I don't worry much. But good time to learn things.... |
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| 17:38.08 | sandsmark | well, I guess #gentoo-kde or similar might be more competent =) |
| 17:38.20 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: yeah that's a very good poitn. thanks. :) |
| 17:38.29 | sandsmark | np, it's a long time since I used gentoo =) |
| 17:39.11 | Kenjiro | sandsmark: what are you using nowadays? |
| 17:39.30 | sandsmark | Kenjiro: arch on my laptop and kubuntu on my workstation at work =) |
| 17:39.30 | _genuser_ | oh let me guess. |
| 17:39.39 | _genuser_ | doh you ruined it. :P |
| 17:39.42 | sandsmark | :p |
| 17:40.02 | _genuser_ | I was going to impress him using information you shared five minutes ago. |
| 17:40.06 | sandsmark | rofl |
| 17:40.24 | Bendie | Is here anyone who gets pdf thumbnail previews in dolphin/konqueror? |
| 17:40.32 | sandsmark | Bendie: _O/ |
| 17:40.35 | sandsmark | *_o/ |
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| 17:40.52 | sandsmark | (mr bighead looks stupid) |
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| 17:41.00 | Jucato | how appropriate :) |
| 17:41.11 | Jucato | g'night :P |
| 17:41.28 | sandsmark | heh, gnight |
| 17:41.32 | _genuser_ | nite. |
| 17:41.33 | Kenjiro | Jucato: night already ? |
| 17:41.36 | Jucato | doesn't have file tips in Konq |
| 17:41.37 | sandsmark | Jucato: aren't you in europe? |
| 17:41.42 | Jucato | Kenjiro: actually morning already :) |
| 17:41.44 | Jucato | Sat Jul 19 01:41:21 PHT 2008 |
| 17:41.50 | Jucato | but that's getting too offtopic :P |
| 17:42.10 | Bendie | sandsmark: ? |
| 17:42.10 | Kenjiro | Jucato: where are you, japan ? *LOL* |
| 17:42.28 | Jucato | Kenjiro: a bit lower... |
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| 17:42.30 | Jucato | anyway.gone :) |
| 17:42.34 | Kenjiro | ok |
| 17:42.35 | sandsmark | Bendie: I have, was what I meant =) |
| 17:42.37 | sandsmark | Jucato: gnight |
| 17:42.45 | Kenjiro | Jucato: good night |
| 17:42.52 | sandsmark | bite back at the bed bugs |
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| 17:43.21 | Bendie | sandsmark: in 4.1 rc1? |
| 17:43.31 | sandsmark | Bendie: yup, iirc |
| 17:43.42 | Jucato | but before I go, kdegraphics/strigi-analyzer seems to be the one that does the thumbnails/icon previews |
| 17:43.43 | sandsmark | I can drag up an SSH X tunnel and check though, wait a sec |
| 17:44.14 | Bendie | sandsmark: is there any point where I could enable them or is this a bug (probably of kubuntu packages)? |
| 17:44.42 | sandsmark | Bendie: one sec, I'll download a pdf and check =) |
| 17:45.10 | jrick | w00t! KDE would take an estimated 1229 Person Years to make :P https://www.ohloh.net/projects/kde |
| 17:45.57 | sandsmark | Bendie: yup, confirming that it works here, though I use rc1+svn |
| 17:46.06 | sandsmark | (what is becoming 4.0.99) |
| 17:46.18 | sandsmark | maybe someone else has a rc1 to test on? |
| 17:46.43 | vpilo | Is it normalHi, I can't compile kdeplasma-addons,building gives: CMakeFiles/plasma_applet_binaryclock.dir/binaryclock.o:(.data.rel.ro._ZTV11BinaryClock[vtable for BinaryClock]+0x1c8): undefined reference to `ClockApplet::createConfigurationInterface(KConfigDialog*)' |
| 17:47.05 | sandsmark | vpilo: have you upgraded your kdelibs? |
| 17:47.10 | pinotree | update kdebase |
| 17:47.13 | vpilo | compiled this morning |
| 17:47.34 | vpilo | sandsmark, pinotree: ok, another update |
| 17:47.37 | vpilo | thnx |
| 17:47.50 | sandsmark | vpilo: sorry, just kdebase should be enough =) |
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| 17:49.02 | vpilo | nvm i've just re-ran a full kdesvn-build, it'll complete eventually :D |
| 17:50.06 | sandsmark | ^_^ |
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| 17:50.17 | vpilo | btw, in dashboard kdeplasma-addons isn't mentioned |
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| 17:54.58 | eramax | on kde-4.1 on ubuntu ;i have some folders and some files which its name in arabic language |
| 17:54.58 | eramax | but it appear as "??????" in Dolphin how i can see it in its encoding ; |
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| 17:56.29 | eramax | any answer |
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| 17:59.12 | shadok | eramax: make sure you have arabic fonts |
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| 18:00.09 | eramax | i have the arbic fonts and put it in .fonts folder in my home folder |
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| 18:00.21 | eramax | is there another thing to do |
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| 18:00.39 | shadok | i think you should use your package manager to add those fonts, it will install them system-wide |
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| 18:04.54 | sandsmark | eramax: I'm not really sure |
| 18:05.05 | sandsmark | eramax: what kind of filesystem is it on? |
| 18:05.17 | sandsmark | and do you have utf-8 as the default charset? |
| 18:05.22 | eramax | i am setting up the arabic fonts from package manager |
| 18:05.30 | eramax | fat32 |
| 18:05.36 | sandsmark | and does it work if you make a new folder from within dolphin? |
| 18:05.46 | sandsmark | eramax: I think that might be the problem |
| 18:06.08 | sandsmark | but I really don't know enough about this to help you, but I think maybe switching to ext3 would help (there are drivers for ext3 for windows) |
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| 18:06.15 | eramax | but it works so well in gnome no problem |
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| 18:07.31 | eramax | when i create anew file with arabic name it worked well |
| 18:08.29 | shadok | ah, maybe your folders names are not in utf-8, you could use iconv to convert them |
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| 18:09.00 | eramax | change all my folders that is no easy |
| 18:09.26 | shadok | NAME iconv - perform character set conversion |
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| 18:12.03 | eramax | i have some problems and hope new version of kde does solved it at link : http://www.kde-forum.org/post/68796/some-problems-in-configuration-of-kde-4-1-on-ubuntu-need-help.html#post68796 |
| 18:12.14 | eramax | hope to see itt |
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| 18:12.37 | eramax | and if there is any help give me it |
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| 18:14.44 | drmarwat | hello |
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| 18:15.13 | drmarwat | which repostories should be enabled by default for fedora 9 ? |
| 18:15.25 | pinotree | drmarwat: #fedora please |
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| 18:16.10 | drmarwat | omg, im sorry, i thought i was in fedora room, sorry again |
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| 18:16.34 | Kenjiro | room...... :P |
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| 18:22.36 | blauzahl | Bendie: that bug was fixed and rar now works |
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| 18:24.59 | Kenjiro | am I just dumb... or Ark is missing some configuration options? |
| 18:25.27 | Kenjiro | I tried to find something related to "recursive" or "keep dir names", but I coudln't |
| 18:25.31 | Kenjiro | *couldn't |
| 18:25.38 | sandsmark | ark is missing a lot of stuff, but it is under heavy development =) |
| 18:26.17 | Kenjiro | when I try to decompress a file (gz, bz2, whatever) it decompresses EVERYTHING inside the chosen dir, but it doesn't create the directory structure it should |
| 18:26.48 | Kenjiro | I rarely use ark, so I wouldn't know if it worked on KDE 3.5.9 :( |
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| 18:29.50 | Kenjiro | would you, sandsmark ? |
| 18:30.01 | sandsmark | Kenjiro: I think it worked in ark in kde 3, and I can confirm it makes a mess in my home dir =/ |
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| 18:30.57 | Kenjiro | sandsmark: ahahahahahha |
| 18:31.14 | Kenjiro | that's why I usually do things in konsole (or yakuake) |
| 18:31.17 | sandsmark | don't laugh, it took me several minutes to clean up =) |
| 18:31.35 | sandsmark | yeah, or just browse the archive with Dolphin, and ctrl+c, ctrl+v the archive out =) |
| 18:31.53 | sandsmark | %s,the archive out, out of the archive,g |
| 18:31.54 | eramax | when i installed kde 4.1 on ubuntu ;i have that mplayer and smplayer does not play the media file and if u usse it from termenal it work the file well and if u run mplayer on gnome works also well |
| 18:32.21 | sandsmark | eramax: tried dragonplayer? |
| 18:32.25 | MetaMorfoziS | Hi all |
| 18:32.27 | sandsmark | eramax: smplayer isn't a kde app |
| 18:32.29 | sandsmark | MetaMorfoziS: hi one |
| 18:32.47 | MetaMorfoziS | i want to recompile kicker, (kde 3.5.9) is there any docs for it? |
| 18:33.00 | MetaMorfoziS | (for eg how can i access to that kde svn branch etc) |
| 18:33.01 | sandsmark | ./configure && make && make install |
| 18:33.05 | MetaMorfoziS | ^ |
| 18:33.46 | MetaMorfoziS | make install is an old román habit |
| 18:33.51 | sandsmark | svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/svn/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase |
| 18:33.54 | sandsmark | iirc |
| 18:34.15 | MetaMorfoziS | oh, thanks |
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| 18:58.14 | Guest49239 | hello! |
| 18:58.33 | sandsmark | hi |
| 18:58.37 | MetaMorfoziS | sandsmark > i only have Makfile.am no Makefile.cvs |
| 18:58.48 | sandsmark | run automake |
| 18:58.50 | MetaMorfoziS | therefore make fails, and the other problem i can't configure |
| 18:58.58 | sandsmark | MetaMorfoziS: did you run ./configure? |
| 18:59.12 | MetaMorfoziS | no ./configure exists |
| 18:59.26 | MetaMorfoziS | svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/kicker |
| 18:59.27 | MetaMorfoziS | here |
| 18:59.32 | pinotree | no |
| 18:59.45 | pinotree | you have to configure modules as a whole |
| 19:00.06 | pinotree | please: |
| 19:00.09 | MetaMorfoziS | so thats why i asked for a faq/wiki |
| 19:00.17 | pinotree | a) download the whole kdebase |
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| 19:00.36 | pinotree | b) make -f Makefile.cvs && ./configure [parameters here] |
| 19:00.53 | pinotree | c) go to the directory/ies you want to build, then make and make install |
| 19:01.04 | MetaMorfoziS | cool! |
| 19:01.08 | MetaMorfoziS | Thanks, i'm doing that. |
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| 19:02.05 | fschmitt_ | KDE 4.1 rocks the house. Kudos to the devs. |
| 19:03.02 | fschmitt_ | My highlights: The stunningly beautiful splash screen, the folderviews on the desktop and the new scoring in knetwalk. |
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| 19:03.27 | fschmitt_ | Only the new terrain graphics in kolf suck. |
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| 19:05.42 | _cameron_ | Anyone here know c++ ? |
| 19:05.53 | drayan | Hi |
| 19:06.06 | fschmitt | _cameron_: Sure |
| 19:06.12 | sandsmark | _cameron_: also try #c++ =p |
| 19:06.21 | _cameron_ | i am |
| 19:06.26 | fschmitt | No, it's ##c++ |
| 19:06.29 | drayan | I would like to know if there's someone who can help me with a konqueror 4.1 RC1 + Java problem |
| 19:06.30 | fschmitt | with two # |
| 19:06.33 | _cameron_ | it redirects |
| 19:06.36 | _cameron_ | anyways |
| 19:06.39 | fschmitt | ok |
| 19:06.42 | _cameron_ | i want to take katepart |
| 19:06.48 | _cameron_ | and make a small cli app |
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| 19:06.57 | _cameron_ | that takes stdin and outputs it as highlighted html |
| 19:07.21 | _cameron_ | and takes the highlighting language as an argument |
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| 19:21.11 | _cameron_ | why do they make getting katepart so hard? |
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| 19:21.16 | _cameron_ | they only link to websvn |
| 19:21.21 | _cameron_ | i need to dl it via svn |
| 19:21.33 | _cameron_ | and they dont provide instructions (at least not that ive found yet) |
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| 19:27.27 | Scraniak | Hi all, please visit http://scraniak.labrute.fr |
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| 19:29.42 | sandsmark | my 10GBit might be interested in wgetting said url several times, but I doubt I want to =/ |
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| 19:30.13 | jazka | or ping -f'ing |
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| 19:32.19 | seven- | hi, is it possible to change the space between icons in kde4 desktop ? |
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| 19:33.26 | Scraniak | http://scraniak.labrute.fr :p |
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| 19:33.56 | sandsmark | thank you |
| 19:34.28 | jazka | checks the site out, out of curiousity |
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| 19:35.09 | jazka | no idea, moon speak for me |
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| 19:41.01 | MetaMorfoziS | pinotree > and how can i build with dependencnies? |
| 19:41.13 | pinotree | eh? |
| 19:41.24 | MetaMorfoziS | I mean kicker/kicker/core needs ../../../libkonq/libkonq.la or whatever |
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| 19:41.29 | MetaMorfoziS | so i now builds kdebase/libkonq |
| 19:41.37 | MetaMorfoziS | but what if that also needs something? |
| 19:41.41 | sandsmark | MetaMorfoziS: build all of kdebase |
| 19:41.44 | pinotree | go to the proper place, and build what required |
| 19:41.54 | MetaMorfoziS | i'm in kdebase/kicker |
| 19:41.58 | MetaMorfoziS | and make fails with error 1 |
| 19:42.18 | sandsmark | MetaMorfoziS: build all of kdebase first, and then afterwards you can go into kicker/ and make install, if you want |
| 19:42.36 | MetaMorfoziS | pinotree > is this^ the correct solution? |
| 19:43.01 | sandsmark | (it's the easiest, if I'm not completely mistaken) |
| 19:43.07 | MetaMorfoziS | impossible to make makes only what needed? |
| 19:43.30 | sandsmark | MetaMorfoziS: it is possible, but it's much easier to just compile all of kdebase |
| 19:43.54 | MetaMorfoziS | i haven't got a week for that:) |
| 19:44.05 | sandsmark | MetaMorfoziS: shouldn't take that long =p |
| 19:45.49 | MetaMorfoziS | thanks then and sorry for dumb qs:) |
| 19:46.07 | sandsmark | MetaMorfoziS: no problem at all =) |
| 19:46.22 | sandsmark | MetaMorfoziS: what kind of machine do you have, anyway, since kdebase takes a week? =p |
| 19:46.51 | MetaMorfoziS | amd 2000+ mobile |
| 19:47.01 | MetaMorfoziS | or i can say a volcano |
| 19:47.05 | sandsmark | hehe |
| 19:47.11 | sandsmark | well, it shouldn't be that bad |
| 19:47.24 | sandsmark | but if you're going to do it several times, I would recommend ccache |
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| 19:47.35 | MetaMorfoziS | And i hope that kicker don't eats up 20mb and don't wakes up the cpu 10 times in a second after the recompile |
| 19:47.56 | MetaMorfoziS | i hope that kubantoo guys messed it up, and it's not a base feature:) |
| 19:48.37 | sandsmark | hehe, though Kicker was dropped for a reason, for KDE 4 =p |
| 19:48.54 | _cameron_ | void KateView::textAsHtmlStream ( const KTextEditor::Range& range, bool blockwise, QTextStream *ts) |
| 19:48.54 | _cameron_ | { |
| 19:49.12 | _cameron_ | i need write a cpp app that has JUST this method (and all needed methods) |
| 19:49.14 | nogagplz | what was wrong with kicker? |
| 19:49.27 | _cameron_ | to take STDIN and highlight it using that method and spit it to STDOUT |
| 19:49.35 | _cameron_ | and take the syntax language as the first argument |
| 19:49.42 | sandsmark | nogagplz: it wasn't designed for this new millenium, if I understand correctly =) |
| 19:49.48 | MetaMorfoziS | nogagplz > it generates 10 wakeups / second if there are one hidden panel |
| 19:49.50 | sandsmark | the codebase was getting worse and worse to work with |
| 19:49.55 | MetaMorfoziS | and the other thing it eats about 20mb of memory |
| 19:50.15 | nogagplz | oh, i like/haven't had a problem with kicker. guess i'm living in last millenium :P |
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| 19:50.34 | _genuser_ | folks.... what is the plugin for konq to do flash? or activex? |
| 19:50.37 | sandsmark | nogagplz: =p |
| 19:50.54 | sandsmark | _genuser_: flash is provided by either gnash, swfdec or adobe flashplugin |
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| 19:51.06 | sandsmark | _genuser_: I don't think there's any activex support in anything but IE |
| 19:51.07 | MetaMorfoziS | wow it compiled:D |
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| 19:51.27 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: so if FF3 is playing something fine konq should be ok? |
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| 19:51.42 | sandsmark | _genuser_: yes, of course depending on your setup/distro |
| 19:52.02 | sandsmark | _genuser_: and there are of course other differences between ff/konq |
| 19:52.07 | sandsmark | but mostly, yeah |
| 19:52.42 | MetaMorfoziS | kdebase-data conflicts with kicker (<< 4:3.4.2-1) |
| 19:52.44 | MetaMorfoziS | now what can i do? |
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| 19:53.13 | MetaMorfoziS | Other than compile the whole kdebase:) |
| 19:53.25 | MetaMorfoziS | that will be conflicts with others (eg kdelibs etc) |
| 19:53.34 | MetaMorfoziS | so how can i prevent the complete distro rebuilding?:) |
| 19:53.36 | sandsmark | uhm, who is saying it conflicts? |
| 19:53.41 | sandsmark | what distro are you on? |
| 19:53.42 | MetaMorfoziS | checkinstall |
| 19:53.45 | MetaMorfoziS | kubuntu hardy |
| 19:53.56 | MetaMorfoziS | checkinstall does make install into a package |
| 19:54.05 | sandsmark | iDunno, try #kubuntu-kde4 |
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| 19:54.12 | sandsmark | whops, I meant #kubuntu |
| 19:54.13 | MetaMorfoziS | no, it's kde3 |
| 19:54.15 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: so konq runs FF3 in the background..?? |
| 19:54.19 | sandsmark | _genuser_: no |
| 19:54.24 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: just kidding. :) |
| 19:54.27 | sandsmark | :p |
| 19:54.31 | sandsmark | thank you =p |
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| 19:54.43 | andrewy | is there a way to get push notifications from dcop? I'm trying to run a command whenever the screensaver is turned on or off |
| 19:54.45 | sandsmark | I was starting to write a long explanation about programs, and browsers in particular |
| 19:54.57 | _genuser_ | hey firefox how about render this page. here 's the surfac eto render it on. firefox.render(konqueror.panel). LOL. sounded funny,. |
| 19:55.27 | _genuser_ | it's finally working. Required rebooting kde. |
| 19:55.30 | _genuser_ | restarting. |
| 19:55.32 | sandsmark | =) |
| 19:55.59 | _genuser_ | konsole is also cool. However is there a shortcut to change tabs in KDE? all gnome stuff uses ctrl-tab to switch tabs.... |
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| 19:56.40 | sandsmark | _genuser_: I use shift+arrows |
| 19:56.51 | sandsmark | _genuser_: but I use yakuake, and so should you =p |
| 19:57.37 | _genuser_ | yakuake? |
| 19:57.43 | _genuser_ | shirt+arrow works.... |
| 19:58.31 | sandsmark | _genuser_: awesome drop-down terminal |
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| 19:58.44 | sandsmark | (works much better than any other I've tried, like Tilda) |
| 19:58.55 | _genuser_ | better than konsole? |
| 19:59.03 | _genuser_ | so far been using the xfce one. Really rocks. |
| 19:59.04 | sandsmark | it uses konsole |
| 19:59.07 | _genuser_ | what's tilda? |
| 19:59.13 | sandsmark | a drop down gtk console |
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| 19:59.26 | sandsmark | it was very slow here, and had a lot of funny bugs/oddities |
| 19:59.42 | _genuser_ | oh you sound like you're not a fan of GTK+ |
| 20:00.03 | sandsmark | oh, I'm not =) |
| 20:00.10 | sandsmark | but that's kinda offtopic =p |
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| 20:00.41 | _genuser_ | yeah just bugging you. mainly just learning about kde and gnome stuff. As the slow move from gnome happens, will need to learn more about KDE stuff. |
| 20:01.17 | _genuser_ | waiting for 4.l so theme changing is easy.... |
| 20:01.57 | sandsmark | =) |
| 20:02.05 | sandsmark | It's already quite easy, imho |
| 20:02.13 | sandsmark | or, which theme do you mean? |
| 20:02.30 | _genuser_ | plasma themes. |
| 20:02.53 | _genuser_ | was reading in 4.0 you have to edit the ./kde/share/themes/config etc.... |
| 20:02.54 | sandsmark | well, here I just right click on the desktop, desktop settings, and "get new" |
| 20:02.59 | sandsmark | oh, yeah |
| 20:03.04 | _genuser_ | but you're on 4.1? |
| 20:03.09 | sandsmark | yup, 4.1+svn |
| 20:03.14 | sandsmark | *rc1+svn |
| 20:03.26 | sandsmark | there should be rc1 ebuilds for gentoo |
| 20:03.48 | sandsmark | if you want to try, imho 4.1 is already much more stable than 4.0 =) |
| 20:03.49 | bonsaikitten | there are |
| 20:03.51 | _genuser_ | right 4.0 doesn't show desktop settings in right click. only configure desktop for wallpaper. |
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| 20:04.44 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: guess just didn't want to go add overlays and run portage against a different place to run 4.1. hoping gentoo devs will add 4.1 soon to mainstream portage. |
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| 20:04.57 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: just cringe at the idea of multiple configuration areas and responsies. |
| 20:05.04 | _genuser_ | respositories. |
| 20:05.14 | sandsmark | _genuser_: they probably will, many distros (especially smaller/more esoteric ones) waited for 4.1 to provide kde4 packages |
| 20:05.58 | _genuser_ | yeah gentoo has been responsive lately in terms of adding packs. but hopefully soon.... |
| 20:06.08 | _genuser_ | I could always run Ubuntu until that time? |
| 20:06.14 | _genuser_ | Kubuntu. |
| 20:06.50 | _genuser_ | is there any distro with main DE being KDE? |
| 20:06.52 | sandsmark | yeah, just remember to install kdeplasma-addons |
| 20:07.29 | sandsmark | _genuser_: well, opensuse certainly has a good KDE focus, and Fedora also has a good community, and even we who use Arch have nice KDE packages =) |
| 20:07.31 | igungor | _genuser_: you mean KDE4? or 3.5? |
| 20:07.58 | _genuser_ | igungor: just curious if any distro has kde as the main DE. not as an alternative offshot such as kubuntu. |
| 20:08.12 | bonsaikitten | _genuser_: ark for example |
| 20:08.15 | igungor | _genuser_: Pardus is a fine distro, Turkish origin |
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| 20:08.25 | igungor | very polished and innovative distro imho |
| 20:08.34 | _genuser_ | oh good to know. So both has kde as primary? |
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| 20:08.56 | bonsaikitten | _genuser_: if I'm not mistaken it is the only DE in ark |
| 20:09.06 | igungor | _genuser_: Pardus has KDE as default, no Gnome actually |
| 20:09.14 | _genuser_ | Pardus and ark? Will look into those. When people ask for suggestions, I end up saying I use Gentoo but you have to compile it. And then they think it's too much work and stop .... |
| 20:09.30 | sandsmark | <shameless selfplug> http://kdemod.ath.cx isn't a separate distro, but we have a rather active community focusing only on KDE =) </shameless selfplug> |
| 20:09.54 | sandsmark | I've heard many nice things about the configuration tools for pardus |
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| 20:10.25 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: what is the link for? Which distro or spinoff. |
| 20:10.43 | sandsmark | _genuser_: kdemod(ular), for archlinux |
| 20:11.05 | igungor | sandsmark: yep, most of the tools are written by the core team |
| 20:11.09 | sandsmark | it's kind of DIY distro, but you might like it =) |
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| 20:11.26 | igungor | Pardus' aim is especially the endusers |
| 20:11.46 | sandsmark | igungor: I know, we've been peeking at it while writing our own stuff for Arch =) |
| 20:11.48 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: regarless of your lack of shame (:P) checking out teh distro.... |
| 20:11.49 | sandsmark | it's very nice |
| 20:12.31 | igungor | sandsmark: :) |
| 20:12.43 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: so one must still install arch separate and then get this? |
| 20:12.56 | jrick | KDEmod is nice, so nice that I'm considering porting it to FreeBSD (which is what I run now :) |
| 20:12.56 | sandsmark | _genuser_: yes |
| 20:13.08 | jrick | i'm just waiting for some decent 4.1 ports before I begin |
| 20:13.19 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: so you guys not have a four-colors flag based installation where one can click next next next next next.... |
| 20:13.25 | sandsmark | jrick: that would be awesome, just ask if you have any questions (we usually hang in #shaman-arch or #chakra) |
| 20:13.45 | sandsmark | _genuser_: not yet, but we are working on it |
| 20:13.47 | jrick | sandsmark: yeah, I know. I started a thread on the forums |
| 20:13.58 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: four-color flag based installer? |
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| 20:14.21 | sandsmark | _genuser_: screenshots: http://www.chakra-project.org/ |
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| 20:14.41 | jrick | sandsmark: http://kdemod.ath.cx/bbs/viewtopic.php?id=791 |
| 20:15.28 | sandsmark | jrick: awesome (the forums kinda suck at the moment, so I have a hard time finding new messages, but we're getting new ones soonish =) |
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| 20:16.27 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: that's really cool. |
| 20:16.32 | _genuser_ | so chakra is the project or the distro? |
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| 20:17.23 | sandsmark | _genuser_: just the packages + installer |
| 20:17.40 | sandsmark | but if you want to discuss it further, please come to #chakra, so we don't weer too far offtopic =) |
| 20:17.42 | _genuser_ | so those will install KDE on existing arch but using that installer? |
| 20:17.54 | sandsmark | no, install complete arch + kde =) |
| 20:18.12 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: from boot? that's really neat. |
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| 20:19.58 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: but this was the four-color flag that was originally mentioned. http://www.cespage.com/zune/images/bgwin.jpg :P |
| 20:20.18 | sandsmark | ah, hehehehe =p |
| 20:20.20 | igungor | sandsmark: whats shaman? is it a package management tool or a GUI of arch's package management system? |
| 20:20.42 | sandsmark | igungor: it's more of a replacement, since package management in Arch is handled by the libalpm library |
| 20:20.57 | Shaman | it's me |
| 20:20.58 | _genuser_ | would have been nice if it was easy to install stuff on all distros.... |
| 20:20.59 | sandsmark | but, offtopic =/ |
| 20:21.24 | sandsmark | _genuser_: they are making it modular, with a packagekit backend written by a chinese guy =) |
| 20:21.27 | sandsmark | developed in playground |
| 20:21.28 | _genuser_ | but they are just very different. That KDE installation would be nice to be encapsulted in one pack so all distros can install it. |
| 20:21.47 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: so it can be installed on any distro? |
| 20:21.55 | sandsmark | _genuser_: shaman2 (when it's finished), yes |
| 20:21.58 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: regardless of where each distro stores it's stuff.... |
| 20:22.02 | sandsmark | _genuser_: yes |
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| 20:22.08 | sandsmark | a generic package manager |
| 20:22.10 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: that's pretty cool. KDE would be then officially the bestDE. |
| 20:22.15 | sandsmark | ;) |
| 20:22.19 | igungor | chakra seems very nice, it's name is more attractive for us who watchs anime and stuff :) |
| 20:22.34 | _genuser_ | who is chakra? |
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| 20:23.05 | sandsmark | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra |
| 20:23.36 | igungor | kagebunshin nojutsu is fine too, if i have a project, i will name it kagebunshin :P |
| 20:23.43 | sandsmark | rofl |
| 20:23.55 | sandsmark | (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jutsu_(Naruto)#Chakra I guess is what igungor meant =) |
| 20:24.03 | _genuser_ | oh you nerds.... |
| 20:24.18 | igungor | heh |
| 20:24.25 | fschmitt | I like Kamillenblütenheißaufgussgetränk. |
| 20:24.27 | FordCortina | erm is there a way you can delete something and by pass the trash can in kde4 by right clicking? |
| 20:24.38 | sandsmark | FordCortina: hold down shift |
| 20:24.40 | FordCortina | i think ive just done that by accident |
| 20:24.46 | FordCortina | crap |
| 20:24.53 | sandsmark | crap would be appropriate |
| 20:25.01 | sandsmark | FordCortina: didn't it ask you to confirm? |
| 20:25.15 | FordCortina | no |
| 20:25.18 | _genuser_ | again oh you nerds. |
| 20:25.22 | FordCortina | that's what suprised me |
| 20:25.39 | FordCortina | i just got a sort of deleting in progress thing |
| 20:25.56 | FordCortina | i just spent ages oranising that directory |
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| 20:26.10 | _genuser_ | dude this package man stuff looks really cool. |
| 20:26.15 | sandsmark | FordCortina: =/ |
| 20:26.17 | _genuser_ | you guys are doing nicely. |
| 20:26.18 | nogagplz | okay how can i get rid of "most used applications" from the k menu. been looking through config files and haven't found anything on it, nor has google helped much >> |
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| 20:27.39 | _genuser_ | ok 4.0.5 is too restricting. |
| 20:27.44 | _genuser_ | looking for 4.1 stuff.... |
| 20:28.05 | ttf | hello again - where does kde 3.5 save it's session-configuration? |
| 20:28.10 | ttf | the information if you click on kmenu and then choose "save session" |
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| 20:28.38 | wstephenson | ttf: config/ksmserverrc |
| 20:28.48 | ttf | wstephenson: k |
| 20:29.04 | wstephenson | ttf: that's in .kde4/share if you didn't know. |
| 20:29.24 | ttf | okay - I was asking for 3.5 :) |
| 20:29.49 | sandsmark | ttf: .kde/share/config/ksmserverrc, then =p |
| 20:29.59 | ttf | right - just found it |
| 20:30.12 | sandsmark | ;) |
| 20:30.14 | ttf | wonders why bash didn't autocomplete properly... |
| 20:30.29 | sandsmark | install bash-completion? |
| 20:30.34 | sandsmark | =) |
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| 20:32.13 | ttf | okay - my konsoles will always start in ucs2 (charset). I did change them back to utf8, said "save session" in kmenu but the only time to logout is when my computer actually crashes |
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| 20:32.32 | Savago | is there any report of high CPU usage of a process named 'plasma'? |
| 20:32.44 | sandsmark | Savago: yes |
| 20:32.46 | isleshocky78 | is there a way to tell Kontact to not count messages in spam folders and new messages? |
| 20:32.48 | ttf | so then when I log in again kde will still start the konsoles in ucs2 |
| 20:32.49 | sandsmark | Savago: 4.0 or 4.1? |
| 20:32.55 | sandsmark | isleshocky78: yes |
| 20:33.01 | sandsmark | isleshocky78: kde 3 or 4? |
| 20:33.04 | ttf | cause the session only gets saved if I log out afair |
| 20:33.05 | isleshocky78 | kde4.1 |
| 20:33.08 | Savago | sandsmark, 4.1 beta 2 (suse 11.0). |
| 20:33.12 | sandsmark | isleshocky78: right click, and options, I think |
| 20:33.42 | ttf | what can I set in .kde/share/config/ksmserverrc to load the default charset of the konsole? |
| 20:33.45 | Savago | sandsmark, strace'ng the process revealed that it got stuck reading a fd. |
| 20:33.48 | sandsmark | Savago: try going into the add applet menu, and see if any of the applets are added too many times (I had 12 sysmonitoring applets, only one was visible, but all where eating cpu) |
| 20:33.58 | sandsmark | Savago: ltrace? |
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| 20:34.24 | Savago | strace -p $(pidof plasma) |
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| 20:34.57 | isleshocky78 | sandsmark: "Act on New/Unread mail in this folder" I think did the trick. Not sure if I agree the terminology, a little confusing. But cool. Thanks. |
| 20:35.18 | sandsmark | isleshocky78: np =) |
| 20:35.23 | Savago | sandsmark, I'm completely new to KDE 4.1. Where I can find the 'applet menu' ? |
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| 20:35.49 | sandsmark | Savago: right click, and add applets |
| 20:36.33 | isleshocky78 | Oh, I was told to ask in this channel instead of kubuntu-kde4. All the sudden my plasma dashboard comes up with a grayish white solid background instead of the translucent black one. My bottom pannels still look translucent black so I don't think it's a driver issue. |
| 20:38.49 | FordCortina | where's the filesystem location of the trash can? |
| 20:39.01 | sandsmark | ~/.local/share/Trash |
| 20:39.01 | apt | rumour has it, /.local/share/trash is still were things are supposed to be. |
| 20:39.07 | FordCortina | thanks |
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| 20:40.05 | kriko | Why does plasma do funny stuff on logout? Instead of beautifully fade out and hang on black screen untill session dies, it reloads itself many times. |
| 20:40.44 | _genuser_ | is there is a nice way to restart plasma? |
| 20:40.50 | _genuser_ | or just to kill KDE and run again? |
| 20:40.54 | Savago | sandsmark, do you mean in the desktop? |
| 20:41.15 | sandsmark | Savago: yup |
| 20:41.19 | sandsmark | _genuser_: kquitapp plasma |
| 20:41.26 | sandsmark | _genuser_: and then run plasma agin |
| 20:41.27 | sandsmark | *again |
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| 20:41.32 | sandsmark | it should quit gracefully |
| 20:41.59 | _genuser_ | ok don't see any difference. |
| 20:42.07 | Savago | sandsmark, I only got 2 options: "Add widgets", "Add panel". |
| 20:42.18 | sandsmark | Savago: click add widgets to get up the dialog |
| 20:42.34 | Savago | ok, done! |
| 20:42.51 | sandsmark | and does any of the plasmoids have a remarkable high number? |
| 20:43.25 | Savago | sandsmark, none of then. |
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| 20:43.59 | sandsmark | Savago: then I'm not sure why your CPU usage is so high |
| 20:44.10 | sandsmark | Savago: do you have a nvidia card? they're known to have a bit funky drivers |
| 20:44.14 | Savago | I did a test and added 3x clocks. But only this guy is displayed as having 3x. |
| 20:44.22 | isleshocky78 | Can someone take a look at my plasma-appletsrc file and let me know if they think it's messed up. I have a bunch of things that repeat themselves that I believe might be causing problems. http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d256f9b45 |
| 20:44.28 | Savago | sandsmark, its Thinkpad T60 (ATI x1300 I guess). |
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| 20:44.57 | sandsmark | Savago: then I'm really not sure, sorry |
| 20:45.24 | Savago | Well, then I will restart it. :-P |
| 20:45.30 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: maybe top will help? |
| 20:45.44 | sandsmark | well, they're run in-process, so I doubt it |
| 20:46.03 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: oh interesting. |
| 20:46.04 | sandsmark | you could try ltrace -p `pidof plasma`, and see if something stands out |
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| 20:47.28 | Savago | ouch, restarted and still using 68% of cpu. |
| 20:47.47 | _genuser_ | any widgets for cpu usage and net traffic stuff? |
| 20:47.58 | _genuser_ | in KDE or does one have to install those... |
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| 20:51.34 | kriko | is KWIN_NVIDIA_HACK still needed to be set to 1 for better effect smoothness? |
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| 21:03.11 | _genuser_ | ok KUDDY 4.0 rocks. The plasma theme is workin' |
| 21:03.31 | g2g591 | 4.1 rc 1 is much better btw |
| 21:04.23 | _genuser_ | so they say. but until the gentoo devs put the 4.1 in main portage, maybe it's ok to wait. As long as the plasma stuff works.... |
| 21:05.16 | g2g591 | _genuser_: try the kdesvn-portage overylay incase you change your mind, or the kde overlay if you want pure svn (but requires paludis) |
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| 21:09.23 | _genuser_ | g2g591: cool. yeah if this does go as planned, might use the kdesvn-portage.... |
| 21:09.43 | _genuser_ | does any one how to force kmix to use master instead of PCM. |
| 21:10.07 | jazka | right click and select channel |
| 21:10.11 | bonsaikitten | g2g591: err, kdesvn-portage overlay has svn ebuilds, you muppet ;) |
| 21:10.15 | jazka | master channel* |
| 21:11.01 | _genuser_ | ok. that's good. Don't know why I didn't do that earlier. Kept looking for in main kmix window. |
| 21:11.08 | _genuser_ | anyhoo it only shows master Mono. |
| 21:11.58 | g2g591 | bonsaikitten: but they use snapshots, instead of pure svn |
| 21:12.12 | _genuser_ | jazka: thanks it works. |
| 21:12.16 | bonsaikitten | g2g591: wtf? |
| 21:12.17 | jazka | np :) |
| 21:12.30 | bonsaikitten | g2g591: you are surprisingly misinformed says the maintainer of that overlay |
| 21:12.38 | bonsaikitten | <-- maintainer of that overlay |
| 21:14.46 | g2g591 | bonsaikitten: well, thats what I've heard about it anyway |
| 21:15.04 | bonsaikitten | g2g591: don't listen to random people. try it yourself. |
| 21:15.38 | g2g591 | bonsaikitten: do you guys use the same svn-src folder structure as the kde overlay? I don't want to redownload all of kde |
| 21:15.52 | bonsaikitten | yes |
| 21:16.09 | bonsaikitten | hey, it's only ~1.2G checkout, that's not much ;) |
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| 21:16.37 | g2g591 | it is if your download speed is only 13Kb/s (or KB/s whatever unit goes with internet speed) |
| 21:16.49 | sandsmark | "what? doesn't everyone have gigabit home?" =) |
| 21:17.00 | bonsaikitten | yeah, should be mandatory |
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| 21:17.05 | g2g591 | im out in the middle of the country, Im lucky im not stuck with dialup |
| 21:17.24 | sandsmark | hehe |
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| 21:17.38 | g2g591 | and parents are too cheap to upgrade from 128k to 1 Mb |
| 21:18.17 | bonsaikitten | ... and I felt bad for having only 5Mbit ADSL :) |
| 21:19.06 | g2g591 | it was a free upgrade from dialup too |
| 21:19.22 | g2g591 | same price (not counting some extra fees) |
| 21:19.53 | bonsaikitten | 300kbit/s dsl costs 5$ or so here :\ |
| 21:20.16 | g2g591 | where is "here"? |
| 21:20.39 | g2g591 | europe? |
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| 21:21.05 | bonsaikitten | switzerland |
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| 21:21.30 | g2g591 | so, about how much is gas per gallon overthere? |
| 21:21.46 | bonsaikitten | gallon is a strange unit, but ~9$ in your funny money |
| 21:22.07 | bonsaikitten | but who needs a car when you have public transport and trains everywhere |
| 21:22.18 | g2g591 | its only around $4 here |
| 21:23.03 | bonsaikitten | so where's the next bus stop for you? :) |
| 21:23.08 | jazka | only 1.6⬠liter here :S |
| 21:23.35 | g2g591 | bonsaikitten: we dont have any bus stops in any towns within ~40 miles of my house |
| 21:23.42 | bonsaikitten | jazka: that's ~2.5$/l or almost 10$/gallon |
| 21:23.55 | bonsaikitten | g2g591: next one for me is ~100m ... |
| 21:23.55 | jazka | right, Finland and high taxes :| |
| 21:24.08 | bonsaikitten | the dollar is inflating too much ... |
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| 21:24.43 | g2g591 | yeah, our econmy is crap |
| 21:25.16 | Kame2 | in germany a liter gas is around 1.5⬠|
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| 21:35.56 | phitoo | Hello all! I've been trying my hand at 4.1/kubuntu. I can't seem to find a way to set each desktop to a different wallpaper. Is there a way to do that? |
| 21:36.12 | jazka | not possible yet, I think |
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| 21:36.26 | mint2 | is kde 4 better than 3.5 |
| 21:36.41 | jazka | mint2: why don't you try it out and see? |
| 21:37.05 | mint2 | am no pro and wouldnt want to screw anything up |
| 21:38.10 | Half-Left | mint2: The question should be 'Is KDE4 better than KDE3 at the same time .XX version |
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| 21:38.41 | phitoo | jazka: Not even via rc conf files? |
| 21:39.14 | jazka | I don't know |
| 21:40.21 | jazka | I think someone said it could be possible wiht that cashew thing on the upper right corner, zoom out |
| 21:40.46 | jazka | and drag the desk around and add activity |
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| 21:41.56 | dioneabd | helloo |
| 21:42.20 | Half-Left | lol |
| 21:43.29 | aLLygUrL | helo |
| 21:44.25 | phitoo | jazka: all that nut seems to do is add widgets. Actually it seems pretty useless up there. |
| 21:44.57 | jazka | it should have zoom out option too |
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| 21:47.45 | Half-Left | phitoo: You've got to think about the new users, visual elements and cues are a good thing |
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| 21:48.41 | phitoo | half-left: Oh! I'm not complaining! Just have to figure out this new paradigm. |
| 21:49.17 | Half-Left | phitoo: No worries :p |
| 21:50.16 | phitoo | For example, when I zoom out there this add activity. What does that do? |
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| 21:52.04 | Half-Left | Not used it proper |
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| 21:53.41 | Half-Left | It's almost like Virtual desktop where you can add different plasmoids onto their own screen |
| 21:53.47 | Guest33073 | /part |
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| 21:58.58 | Half-Left | Ohhh so it is Virtual desktop, you can add different widgets onto each desktop and change to different wallpapers each |
| 21:59.27 | jazka | yea ^^ |
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| 22:00.19 | Half-Left | Very nice, it's the first time I've had a proper play of it |
| 22:01.02 | Half-Left | Looks it's it's unlimited as well |
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| 22:02.56 | Half-Left | It's cool how you can use your desktop normal while looking at the other desktops you've created |
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| 22:04.14 | phitoo | Hmm! But each time you zoom back in all the usual desktops are filled with that virtual deskopt just zoomed in. |
| 22:04.47 | phitoo | Plus my apps stay out of these virtual desktops... |
| 22:05.15 | sandsmark | phitoo: the plasma zui isn't really finished for 4.1, as I understand it |
| 22:05.32 | sandsmark | the devs where more pressed to get in old features from kde 3, iirc, than innovating, so... |
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| 22:06.27 | Half-Left | sandsmark: Yer, it's ironic that KDE's own users are stopping KDE4's innovation because they want KDE3 features |
| 22:06.50 | sandsmark | Half-Left: well, just the most vocal ones, but still =p |
| 22:07.14 | Half-Left | And gets bad press for not doing so |
| 22:07.38 | phitoo | Oh well! Guess I'll have to be patient. |
| 22:08.04 | bonsaikitten | likes the new features |
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| 22:08.15 | bonsaikitten | no desktop icons! sheer brilliance! free at last! |
| 22:08.20 | Half-Left | It's funny how auto hide comes before any other innovative features |
| 22:08.41 | Half-Left | People want KDE3 slapped onto KDE4 |
| 22:09.26 | sandsmark | well, some I understand (like moving plasmoids), others I really don't get, like the desktop icons =p |
| 22:09.52 | Half-Left | Then you'd have the situation if KDE4 had KDE3 features they be compaining about where all the innovation is |
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| 22:10.46 | bonsaikitten | sandsmark: I see my desktop about ... twice a day |
| 22:10.54 | bonsaikitten | when starting and shutting down the machine |
| 22:10.58 | sandsmark | well, plasma (and the rest of kde4 for that matter) has done a fantastic job in not only almost achieving parity (in 4.1 already), but still giving a lot of new stuff |
| 22:10.59 | bonsaikitten | about 10 seconds both times |
| 22:11.05 | sandsmark | bonsaikitten: same here =) |
| 22:11.07 | bonsaikitten | so why put anything in a location I won't see? |
| 22:11.10 | phitoo | Let me see if I get this activity thing. It's a virtual desktop. I can set it up any way I want to, widgets, apps, wallpaper, maybe even fonts and what have you. |
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| 22:12.08 | Half-Left | Your know while Apple and Microsoft where making nice widgets to shit on their desktops KDE dev where making Widgets THE desktop |
| 22:12.18 | Half-Left | sit* |
| 22:12.19 | sandsmark | ;) |
| 22:12.19 | Half-Left | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.37 | bittin | :) |
| 22:12.48 | Half-Left | Apple and Microsoft are the ones behind |
| 22:13.19 | bonsaikitten | Half-Left: lol, what a typo |
| 22:13.28 | drantin | shit, behind, freud... |
| 22:13.37 | Half-Left | Yer, may have been not to far off :p |
| 22:13.39 | sandsmark | well, according to aseigo, he had some foils with a dashboard-looking thing before apple released their dashboard =) |
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| 22:14.20 | Half-Left | Making Widgets the Desktop, WTF |
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| 22:15.15 | mint2 | doesnt kde have the widget function like gnome has ? |
| 22:15.21 | Half-Left | Holy crap |
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| 22:15.50 | Half-Left | You can move widgets to other desktops in Zoom out mode |
| 22:16.07 | sandsmark | mint2: whaddayamean? |
| 22:16.27 | mint2 | u know gnome got that widget thing, like vista has for sidebars |
| 22:16.27 | sandsmark | mint2: afaik, gnome has no widget support, just third-party programs like gdesklets |
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| 22:16.45 | mint2 | when i installed opensuse it was top right of me screen |
| 22:16.55 | mint2 | like weather processor usage etc |
| 22:17.07 | phitoo | half-left: you mean from one activity to another? |
| 22:17.26 | Half-Left | Yep |
| 22:17.45 | sandsmark | mint2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(KDE) |
| 22:18.04 | phitoo | half-left: but you can't move one activity to another X desktop? |
| 22:18.17 | sandsmark | phitoo: it's coming in 4.2, iirc |
| 22:18.42 | Half-Left | Now thats innovative |
| 22:18.56 | kriko | Is there a weather widget for plasma that shows weather in Europe cities? |
| 22:19.11 | phitoo | Looks like there's much more to plasma than I thought. |
| 22:19.26 | sandsmark | kriko: I don't think it's out of playground yet, but there's an LCD weather station coming |
| 22:19.34 | phitoo | Is there any good docs out there? I haven't seen much really. |
| 22:19.35 | Half-Left | kriko: Yep, it's coming4.2 hopefully and it's looking kickarse |
| 22:19.35 | sandsmark | kriko: and the weather dataengine uses bbc's data |
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| 22:20.07 | sandsmark | kriko: http://iskrembilen.com/sandsmark/screenshots/scrshot.png |
| 22:20.11 | Rassha | hi guys |
| 22:20.21 | sandsmark | o hai |
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| 22:20.44 | sandsmark | phitoo: afaik, someone is working on better end-user docs |
| 22:21.02 | Half-Left | Pinheiro's one looks really kickarse |
| 22:21.06 | kriko | Can I have it in 4.1? I don't know who was that dumbass that implemented only ZIP code weather fetching |
| 22:21.13 | Rassha | some1 know why my kde 4.1 don't download the widgets from internet... it goes only if I use nightly kde 4.1 |
| 22:21.42 | Half-Left | lol, yer zip code, the rest of the world donr so zipcodes :p |
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| 22:21.47 | phitoo | sandsmard: don't they have alpha's and beta's for docs too? :-) |
| 22:21.51 | Sanitoeter | I killed kicker because it froze .. now my tray icons are gone. Is there a way to get them back, without having to restart every app? |
| 22:21.51 | Half-Left | dont do* |
| 22:21.54 | sandsmark | I just type in my city name, and it works |
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| 22:22.51 | Rassha | some1 can help me? |
| 22:23.08 | Half-Left | just noticed the plasma button fits proper now in the corner with panels on top of the screen |
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| 22:23.58 | kriko | I miss liquidweather from kde3... |
| 22:24.10 | Half-Left | yer |
| 22:24.54 | mint2 | i am on kde 3.5.9 |
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| 22:25.02 | mint2 | can someone help me install kde4 |
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| 22:26.16 | agnitio | why is it that window resizing is so slow when using compositing? (noticed with both nvidia and ati cards, and was an issue in compiz as well as I recall) |
| 22:26.31 | sandsmark | lousy xrender performance |
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| 22:27.01 | agnitio | so, is it a bug in xorg? or in the drivers? |
| 22:27.02 | sandsmark | agnitio: http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2008/06/accelerating-desktops.html |
| 22:27.07 | agnitio | thanks |
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| 22:27.23 | sandsmark | zrusing writes good, and he knows a lot about the subject =) |
| 22:27.28 | sandsmark | and he is working on fixing it ;) |
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| 22:27.36 | sandsmark | (through gallium) |
| 22:27.42 | Shirakawasuna | does anyone here know of a way to disable the audio overlay for kdemultmediakeys events? |
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| 22:31.00 | gkiagia | kdemultimediakeys ?? |
| 22:31.22 | kriko | Which package do I need to get superkaramba widgets in kde4? Superkaramba is complaining: "One or more of the required components of the Kross scripting architecture is not installed" |
| 22:31.39 | sandsmark | kriko: the kdebindings package |
| 22:31.46 | sandsmark | kriko: more specifically, the python kde bindings |
| 22:31.48 | sandsmark | probably |
| 22:32.13 | kriko | sandsmark: tha package that opensuse doesn't provide :) |
| 22:32.37 | Half-Left | kriko: kdeutils |
| 22:32.57 | kriko | kdeutils already installed |
| 22:32.59 | Half-Left | Oh to get widgets |
| 22:33.17 | kriko | yes! I would like to have liquidweather on kde4 |
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| 22:34.08 | Shirakawasuna | if you set a keyboard layout w/ kcontrol and it recognizes your multimedia keys, it'll let you use them. The volume up/down ones trigger an overlay reporting the % volume, and it's annoying. It pops up directly in the center and causes flicker/kills fullscreen for some apps. |
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| 22:34.32 | sandsmark | kriko: last I tried liquidweather it wasn't updated to work with the latest version of pyqt, and crashed =/ |
| 22:34.33 | Shirakawasuna | I was wondering if there was a way to disable that outside of manually configuring all the multimedia keys to amixer events |
| 22:34.47 | sandsmark | Shirakawasuna: kubuntu? |
| 22:34.54 | sandsmark | Shirakawasuna: I think the popup is kmilo |
| 22:34.56 | Shirakawasuna | archlinux |
| 22:34.59 | sandsmark | oh |
| 22:35.07 | sandsmark | Shirakawasuna: still, do you have kmilo installeD? |
| 22:35.09 | sandsmark | *d |
| 22:35.21 | Shirakawasuna | not that I know of |
| 22:35.30 | Shirakawasuna | lemme see... |
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| 22:36.02 | Shirakawasuna | yes, I have kmilo, in the form of libs, a desktop file, etc |
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| 22:36.31 | sandsmark | Shirakawasuna: kdemod or monolithic? |
| 22:36.34 | Shirakawasuna | kdemod |
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| 22:37.14 | shodan45 | anyone know of an app that lets you run remote apps via ssh & X forwarding and gives you the remote's k menu? |
| 22:37.17 | sandsmark | hmm, looks like kmilo isn't split out |
| 22:37.20 | vpilo | Hi, my kdeplasma-addons module won't build, the error is: |
| 22:37.20 | vpilo | CMakeFiles/plasma_applet_binaryclock.dir/binaryclock.o:(.data.rel.ro._ZTV11BinaryClock[vtable for BinaryClock]+0x1c8): undefined reference to `ClockApplet::createConfigurationInterface(KConfigDialog*)' |
| 22:37.29 | Shirakawasuna | sandsmark: it's part of kdeutils in kdemod |
| 22:37.33 | shodan45 | I had that idea a while back, just wondering if someone else had it too :) |
| 22:37.42 | sandsmark | Shirakawasuna: I don't know if it's a kded daemon or what, but it should be possible to disable |
| 22:37.52 | kriko | OMG! Aero AIO works in KDE4! |
| 22:38.03 | mint2 | hu kriko |
| 22:38.07 | mint2 | did u just install kde4 |
| 22:38.27 | Shirakawasuna | there's a kmilod in kdcop |
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| 22:38.38 | kriko | mint2: extend your question, please |
| 22:38.47 | kriko | I'm using it for weeks now |
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| 22:39.08 | sandsmark | Shirakawasuna: in kcontrol, go to kde components, service manager, and look for kmilo in the lower list |
| 22:39.15 | sandsmark | try to stop it and see if that helps |
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| 22:40.02 | AMDpenguin | wats a good kde distro besides kubuntu? |
| 22:40.04 | pinotree | Shirakawasuna: kde control center â kde components â kde services â in the list view on the bottom, uncheck the kmilo service and stop it (with the button) |
| 22:40.14 | shodan45 | AMDpenguin: opensuse |
| 22:40.17 | sandsmark | AMDpenguin: fedora, opensuse, etc. |
| 22:40.35 | Shirakawasuna | hmm |
| 22:40.42 | pinotree | notes that compiling from sources makes all the distro the same, from this point of view |
| 22:40.46 | AMDpenguin | not fedora |
| 22:40.58 | Shirakawasuna | that disables the functionality, too, not just the annoying overlay :) |
| 22:41.00 | sandsmark | AMDpenguin: http://kde.org/download/distributions.php |
| 22:41.23 | sandsmark | it is a bit out of date, though =/ |
| 22:41.24 | AMDpenguin | i try opensuse is vbox |
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| 22:43.00 | shodan45 | anyone aware of an app like I mentioned above? |
| 22:43.32 | sandsmark | shodan45: well, if I understand you correctly, I have run plasma over and SSH tunnel |
| 22:43.42 | sandsmark | not very fun, even over 100mbit, but still =) |
| 22:44.32 | shodan45 | basically what I'm looking for is a remote machine's k menu as an applet |
| 22:44.46 | sandsmark | that I haven't heard about |
| 22:44.51 | sandsmark | what is the use case? |
| 22:45.17 | shodan45 | sandsmark: lol, none that I can think of really, it would just be awesome ;) |
| 22:45.53 | shodan45 | right now I have a desktop shortcut to run amarok on my mediabox that is connected to my stereo |
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| 22:46.25 | shodan45 | "ssh -X -f mediabox@10.1.1.122 amarok" |
| 22:46.25 | sandsmark | ah, I see =) |
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| 22:48.04 | benjamin__ | hey...im looking for support on ubuntu emerald... |
| 22:48.17 | shodan45 | sandsmark: well, I might see if I can code it myself then.... I just hope I can stick to only using python |
| 22:48.19 | sandsmark | benjamin__: then you're in the wrong channel |
| 22:48.27 | sandsmark | benjamin__: try #ubuntu |
| 22:48.30 | benjamin__ | ah |
| 22:48.32 | sandsmark | benjamin__: or #compiz |
| 22:48.35 | agnitio | sandsmark: that was a very depressing read.. but thanks for enlightening me |
| 22:48.36 | benjamin__ | thank you |
| 22:48.45 | sandsmark | benjamin__: np |
| 22:49.03 | Half-Left | shodan45: Anything like this? http://ervin.ipsquad.net/2008/06/28/jolie-rocks/ |
| 22:49.32 | sandsmark | agnitio: well, there's light in the end of the tunnel, even though Xorg development has been slowing down many years, until packard (?) whipped it up and forked =) |
| 22:50.13 | shodan45 | Half-Left: oooh interesting, thanks :) |
| 22:50.21 | sandsmark | shodan45: shouldn't be too hard, even though I don't think there's much finished documentation on how to make plasmoids in python yet =/ |
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| 22:50.52 | shodan45 | sandsmark: well I haven't jumped to 4.x yet... heck I'm still on a fairly stock opensuse 10.2 |
| 22:51.22 | sandsmark | shodan45: ah, ok ;) |
| 22:51.44 | sandsmark | shodan45: you should really at least try 4.1 when it comes out, it is starting to look gorgeous =) |
| 22:51.52 | shodan45 | sandsmark: I use kde too much to switch atm :/ |
| 22:52.43 | shodan45 | sandsmark: I need something that works 99%, and for now that's still 3.5 |
| 22:52.48 | sandsmark | shodan45: heh, it isn't like you're forced to switch either, though 3.5.10 will probably be the last 3.5 release |
| 22:52.51 | sandsmark | true |
| 22:53.25 | shodan45 | sandsmark: I really can't wait till 4.x is where 3.5 is now tho |
| 22:53.49 | sandsmark | indeed, and from the pace so far, I would say it would be on par way before 4.5 |
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| 23:05.48 | monolith | Are there any APT package management programs built for KDE4? |
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| 23:07.28 | thiago | not that I know of |
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| 23:08.00 | nogagplz | monolith: isn't apt just a frontend? You'd be after either rpm or debs' from the sounds of things? |
| 23:08.02 | Half-Left | There is but I'm not sure if it works with APT |
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| 23:08.50 | DeltaS4 | hey |
| 23:09.14 | Half-Left | Nah, it's a packageKit front end for Qt4 |
| 23:09.14 | monolith | Yea, I think APT is a frontend to manage the packages. But i mean like a KDE4 version of 'Adept'. But I asked this in my distro's chanell and they said it's under development. But thanks anyway. =) |
| 23:09.22 | DeltaS4 | KDE4 is wonderful |
| 23:10.13 | Half-Left | 4.1 is :p |
| 23:10.33 | pedepy2 | im having all kinds of crazy issues with konqueror here.. |
| 23:10.46 | gkiagia | monolith: there is an alpha version of adept for kde4.. not sure if it works though |
| 23:11.24 | DeltaS4 | I used that kde-four livecd |
| 23:11.37 | DeltaS4 | dunno if it's 4.1 or .0 |
| 23:11.47 | DeltaS4 | but I liked it |
| 23:12.10 | Half-Left | DeltaS4: What wallpaper? |
| 23:12.16 | DeltaS4 | opensuse |
| 23:12.26 | monolith | gkiagia: I might take a look. I mean adept KDE3 works fine, I just wanted to know if there was a KDE4 version planned. =) |
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| 23:12.36 | ahmed | hi |
| 23:12.37 | DeltaS4 | http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/ |
| 23:12.38 | DeltaS4 | this one |
| 23:12.53 | vpilo | well i'm close to giving up.. i'm compiling with kdesvn-build, and extragear/multimedia,kdewebdev,kdeplasma-addons,kdetoys,kdevelop,kdesdk all fail due to the linker being unable to resolve some deps, mostly plasma,KCapacityBar |
| 23:12.56 | vpilo | what should I do? |
| 23:12.59 | ahmed | big thanks to kmess devlper |
| 23:13.04 | ahmed | devloper |
| 23:13.05 | vpilo | update kdebase/kdelibs yet again? |
| 23:13.08 | Half-Left | 4.1 RC1 |
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| 23:13.26 | DeltaS4 | yeah "The installable 1.0.98 Live-CD contains all KDE 4.1 RC1 modules, Amarok, Digikam, K3b, KOffice2 and KTorrent. " |
| 23:13.28 | moldy | hi |
| 23:13.32 | Half-Left | Even though SUSE has defaced it |
| 23:13.36 | monolith | moldy: Hi |
| 23:13.45 | moldy | can i set the priority field in kmail? how? |
| 23:14.04 | monolith | I wouldn't know. =( Someone else might though. |
| 23:15.18 | DeltaS4 | Half-Left, which distro are you using KDE on? |
| 23:16.13 | Half-Left | DeltaS4: Linux Mint, compiled KDE4.1 |
| 23:16.20 | moldy | monolith: ok, thanks anyway |
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| 23:22.32 | Half-Left | Linux Mint Elyssa rocks by the way |
| 23:22.46 | Half-Left | does a shameless plug |
| 23:23.18 | nogagplz | plugs Half-Lefts' figurative mouth |
| 23:23.38 | nogagplz | :) |
| 23:23.56 | Half-Left | lol |
| 23:26.35 | troy | sees this channel has triggered a due to nick highlighting, but it's gone in the scroll buffer -- hope it wasn't important :) |
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| 23:27.57 | Half-Left | night, night |
| 23:28.25 | vpilo | If I want to specify where kdesvn-build should install the library files, is there an option to add to the .kdesvn-buildrc file? Or should I specify some CMake variable? If so, which one? :( |
| 23:30.09 | vpilo | that is how do override the install dir for libraries? i need it to be /usr/lib64 but they keep getting put into /usr/lib |
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| 23:35.10 | thiago | set the LIB_SUFFIX variable |
| 23:35.59 | vpilo | thiago: thanks a lot! |
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| 23:46.58 | mint2 | how do i delete my old kde |
| 23:47.13 | thiago | how did you install it? |
| 23:47.21 | mint2 | i was kde 3.5.9 |
| 23:47.29 | mint2 | then did urpmi task-kde4 |
| 23:47.32 | mint2 | installed kde4 |
| 23:47.42 | mint2 | havin problems with it. feel like sticking to 3,5,9 |
| 23:47.53 | mint2 | so since i dont need it i am wondering how to get rid of the kde4 |
| 23:47.59 | thiago | remove the KDE4 packages |
| 23:48.03 | thiago | use urpme |
| 23:48.23 | mint2 | urpme task-kde4 ? |
| 23:48.28 | thiago | that will do nothing |
| 23:48.35 | thiago | remove libkdecore4 |
| 23:48.41 | thiago | but that won't do a full cleanup |
| 23:48.47 | pinotree | (or ask in the distro channel) |
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| 23:56.56 | DeltaS4 | what distro do you rather advice me for KDE4? with it installed or ready to install |
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| 23:58.24 | lavacano201014 | First off, huzzah, my bouncer is back. |
| 23:58.54 | lavacano201014 | Second, kdeinit4 doesn't seem to be installed in the nightly "KDESupport" package. |
