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| 00:05.51 | bram85 | Chid: it depends on your distro, it should provide some configuration to load KDM when starting X |
| 00:06.13 | Chid | =S fedora8 |
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| 00:07.46 | jimmy06 | open a terminal and type setup |
| 00:07.52 | jimmy06 | it should be at the bottom |
| 00:08.17 | jimmy06 | X configuration |
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| 00:09.04 | Chid | ah. thanks |
| 00:09.41 | kaiwen | hi guys, i have a problem with the plasmoids in kde4, is there any way to make the plasmoids autostart every time i log in? |
| 00:09.42 | Chid | I don't think that worked.. |
| 00:09.59 | Chid | :-/ that just setup some monitor configs |
| 00:10.30 | jimmy06 | what do you want then ? |
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| 00:10.53 | Phlogi | when pluggin in a device I still get that old kde3 like dialog noticing about a new device, how can I get rid of that? |
| 00:10.59 | Chid | allowing kdm to start at boottime |
| 00:11.10 | kaiwen | chid |
| 00:11.14 | Chid | yes |
| 00:11.18 | kaiwen | have you tried dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 00:11.25 | kaiwen | select kdm as the default after that |
| 00:11.29 | Chid | no, I haven't |
| 00:11.30 | kaiwen | "if" u are on ubuntu |
| 00:11.33 | kaiwen | do that |
| 00:11.36 | Chid | Fedora |
| 00:11.37 | kaiwen | sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 00:11.37 | Chid | I'm on |
| 00:11.38 | _cameron_ | ubuntu is noobish |
| 00:11.39 | jimmy06 | hes using fedora |
| 00:11.40 | kaiwen | shoot |
| 00:11.46 | kaiwen | well... |
| 00:11.48 | kaiwen | hmm |
| 00:11.54 | Chid | I can't find any fedora settings.. it's strange to get used to |
| 00:11.56 | _cameron_ | slamd64 is where its at or slack if your not on 64bit |
| 00:12.03 | kaiwen | you'll have to go by commandline |
| 00:12.29 | jimmy06 | ill swtich to KDE brb |
| 00:12.30 | Chid | :-) damn, I'mfine with that |
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| 00:12.47 | kaiwen | wait |
| 00:12.49 | kaiwen | do this |
| 00:12.53 | kaiwen | rpm-reconfigure |
| 00:12.54 | kaiwen | kdm |
| 00:13.02 | Chid | pardon? |
| 00:13.26 | kaiwen | rpm-reconfigure kdm |
| 00:13.29 | Chid | Maybe Just a reinstall |
| 00:13.42 | kaiwen | yeah |
| 00:13.46 | kaiwen | but do a complete removal first |
| 00:13.48 | kaiwen | then reinstall |
| 00:13.54 | kaiwen | that way, it's more clean |
| 00:13.57 | Chid | I don't know what -reconfigure is.. |
| 00:14.04 | Chid | I don't see that param |
| 00:14.06 | kaiwen | it let's u choose the login manager |
| 00:14.14 | kaiwen | since ur using redhat |
| 00:14.16 | kaiwen | try doing |
| 00:14.21 | kaiwen | a man rpm |
| 00:14.27 | kaiwen | to find the option for that |
| 00:14.35 | kaiwen | similar to dpkg-reconfigure in ubuntu |
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| 00:15.06 | kaiwen | well, does anyone else use plasmoids around here? |
| 00:15.19 | Chid | =) dw, thanks though |
| 00:15.24 | sandsmark | kaiwen: yes |
| 00:15.25 | Chid | I'll just uninstall kde if needbe |
| 00:15.34 | sandsmark | kaiwen: you can probably use kquitapp to make plasma exit gratefully |
| 00:15.38 | kaiwen | sandsmark: do you know how to make plasmoids showup on start |
| 00:15.41 | sandsmark | kaiwen: and then rerun plasma |
| 00:15.54 | sandsmark | kaiwen: plasma probably crashes before it's able to save it's state |
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| 00:16.02 | kaiwen | so, it does save state? |
| 00:16.05 | kaiwen | interesting |
| 00:16.07 | kaiwen | i thought it didn't |
| 00:16.17 | sandsmark | it does here |
| 00:16.23 | sandsmark | (when it doesn't crash =) |
| 00:16.26 | kaiwen | i'll try that |
| 00:16.30 | kaiwen | and get back to u in a few |
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| 00:16.53 | robert__ | ok |
| 00:17.17 | jimmy06 | did you sort it out ? |
| 00:17.45 | kaiwen | hmm.. i don't have the kquitapp command |
| 00:17.51 | kaiwen | let me try to find the process and do it from there |
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| 00:18.10 | jimmy06 | its a notification correct ? |
| 00:18.48 | kaiwen | oh shoot |
| 00:19.00 | kaiwen | doing a killall just made my whol desktop go away |
| 00:19.01 | sandsmark | shoot whom? |
| 00:19.02 | kaiwen | lol |
| 00:19.05 | sandsmark | =) |
| 00:19.06 | kaiwen | killall plasma |
| 00:19.08 | sandsmark | kaiwen: alt+f2 plasma |
| 00:19.11 | sandsmark | =) |
| 00:19.28 | kaiwen | ah cool i got it back |
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| 00:19.30 | kaiwen | lol |
| 00:19.44 | SharkMa-san | kde4 is useless for me before they fix http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165862 |
| 00:19.46 | SharkMa-san | lol |
| 00:19.58 | kaiwen | still didn't save my plasmoids |
| 00:20.07 | kaiwen | is there any way to make it exit properly to save it? |
| 00:20.08 | sandsmark | kaiwen: killall probably wasn't clean enough |
| 00:20.11 | sandsmark | kquitapp =) |
| 00:20.12 | kaiwen | lol |
| 00:20.17 | kaiwen | kquitapp, i don't have that option |
| 00:20.28 | sandsmark | it's in kdebase-runtime |
| 00:20.33 | kaiwen | icic |
| 00:20.37 | kaiwen | so do i do it in shell? |
| 00:20.40 | kaiwen | or altf2 |
| 00:20.44 | sandsmark | SharkMa-san: none of the proper kde devs have a proper multi-monitor setup =) |
| 00:20.48 | jimmy06 | how do i restart plasma LOL |
| 00:20.50 | sandsmark | kaiwen: I use a shell |
| 00:20.55 | sandsmark | jimmy06: kquitapp plasma && plasma |
| 00:21.09 | jimmy06 | so just plasma |
| 00:21.11 | kaiwen | command not found |
| 00:21.14 | kaiwen | i'm using ubuntu |
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| 00:21.32 | sandsmark | SharkMa-san: so, aseigo suggested sending him a new machine with proper dual screen setup, and an extra 19" TFT =) |
| 00:21.34 | jimmy06 | i did alt + f2 pllasma thing lol |
| 00:21.39 | sandsmark | kaiwen: search for "kdebase-runtime" |
| 00:21.57 | SharkMa-san | heh |
| 00:22.07 | jimmy06 | whats the shortcut to a term ? |
| 00:22.19 | SharkMa-san | sandsmark: my point is that it's still quite bad that a bug like this still exists in 4.1 rc 1 |
| 00:22.26 | Chid | Alt+Ctrl + Function ? jimmy06 |
| 00:22.29 | kaiwen | k, i'm doing that now |
| 00:22.50 | jimmy06 | function ? |
| 00:22.53 | SharkMa-san | if asking me, 4.1 is still not worth to be called 4.0 |
| 00:23.01 | SharkMa-san | it still should be 4.0 beta |
| 00:23.02 | Chid | Im probably lost |
| 00:23.07 | kaiwen | lol, still no save session button :p |
| 00:23.13 | sandsmark | SharkMa-san: it might also be a driver bug |
| 00:23.23 | sandsmark | SharkMa-san: I have absolute no problems with it |
| 00:23.24 | SharkMa-san | sandsmark: and kde3 works fine |
| 00:23.37 | SharkMa-san | even with compiz |
| 00:23.44 | sandsmark | SharkMa-san: and I have yet to hear a single complaint from our users (I package =) |
| 00:24.00 | sandsmark | jimmy06: alt+f2, "konsole" |
| 00:24.00 | SharkMa-san | well, they most likely use twinwiev |
| 00:24.04 | jimmy06 | dw i did alt + f2 then lauched it from there lol |
| 00:24.04 | SharkMa-san | *twinview |
| 00:24.08 | SharkMa-san | and I don't |
| 00:24.11 | sandsmark | SharkMa-san: I think aseigo mentioned xinerama |
| 00:24.18 | SharkMa-san | I don't even use that |
| 00:24.22 | SharkMa-san | two separate screens |
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| 00:24.38 | sandsmark | well, xinerama should work |
| 00:24.56 | kaiwen | it does |
| 00:24.58 | kaiwen | i use it |
| 00:25.08 | kaiwen | you just need to know how ;) |
| 00:25.10 | SharkMa-san | the problem seems to be only with two separate screens |
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| 00:25.30 | kaiwen | did you set the settings correctly for your monitors in xorg.conf? |
| 00:26.00 | SharkMa-san | yes |
| 00:26.15 | SharkMa-san | like I said, it works fine with kde3 and even with compiz |
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| 00:26.23 | SharkMa-san | and also with other desktop systems |
| 00:27.03 | sandsmark | SharkMa-san: well, as stated earlier, it's very hard for the devs to fix this kind of stuff, when they don't have hardware to test for themselves |
| 00:27.30 | SharkMa-san | sandsmark: well, they still should, before releasing stable releases |
| 00:27.36 | kaiwen | hey sandsmark, i think i can do kquitapp doing altf2 but not in shell |
| 00:27.43 | sandsmark | kaiwen: weird... |
| 00:27.48 | sandsmark | kaiwen: probably a path's issue =) |
| 00:27.52 | kaiwen | whcih is weird |
| 00:27.54 | sandsmark | SharkMa-san: how do you suggest they do that? |
| 00:28.10 | sandsmark | pray to $DEITY and just don't release anything? |
| 00:28.11 | kaiwen | probably, thing is my shell is root so doesn't have kde running in root |
| 00:28.18 | SharkMa-san | there are many who are ready to do some testing |
| 00:28.18 | sandsmark | ah, ok |
| 00:28.21 | SharkMa-san | that's how |
| 00:28.46 | sandsmark | SharkMa-san: you have no idea how hard it is to develop for something when you don't have the hardware yourself... |
| 00:29.21 | SharkMa-san | yes I have |
| 00:29.42 | SharkMa-san | but as I mentioned, it should be tested before stable releases |
| 00:29.55 | SharkMa-san | I think they're rushing it too much |
| 00:30.06 | sandsmark | uhm, it works for 90% of their userbase (if not more) |
| 00:30.09 | kaiwen | oh gosh, let's keep it pg |
| 00:30.14 | sandsmark | =p |
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| 00:30.33 | SharkMa-san | well, they can't ignore the 10% |
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| 00:30.46 | sandsmark | why not? kde 3.5 isn't dropped or anything |
| 00:30.50 | sandsmark | 3.5.10 is coming soon |
| 00:30.54 | kaiwen | ah sw33t |
| 00:30.58 | kaiwen | sandsmark it worked! |
| 00:31.00 | kaiwen | haha |
| 00:31.02 | kaiwen | lmao |
| 00:31.02 | sandsmark | kaiwen: awesome =) |
| 00:31.03 | sandsmark | finally |
| 00:31.13 | SharkMa-san | well, I've been waiting for kde4 for a long time, and the 4.0 release was a long time ago |
| 00:31.13 | kaiwen | yeah, didn't know why it didn't save state earlier |
| 00:31.19 | SharkMa-san | and it still doesn't work properly |
| 00:31.29 | kaiwen | well, if it doesn't work properly, then you can help fix it |
| 00:31.31 | sandsmark | well, it's not like no multiscreen setups work |
| 00:31.39 | kaiwen | mine does |
| 00:31.51 | sandsmark | kaiwen: it probably crashed when closing |
| 00:31.58 | kaiwen | yeah it did |
| 00:31.59 | sandsmark | kaiwen: you could file a bug if you're up to it =) |
| 00:32.02 | kaiwen | recalling |
| 00:32.07 | SharkMa-san | you bet I would've helped, if I had some experience with C++ |
| 00:32.11 | SharkMa-san | but I don't |
| 00:32.20 | kaiwen | well, the thing was was that i compiled a 3rd party widget and that probably crashed it |
| 00:32.27 | kaiwen | never to late to learn |
| 00:32.41 | sandsmark | kaiwen: compiled against an old version of plasma, or? |
| 00:32.58 | kaiwen | sandsmark, not plasma, widget :p, i think it was like a widget for amarok |
| 00:33.00 | kaiwen | lol |
| 00:33.10 | kaiwen | it was not plasma itself |
| 00:33.11 | sandsmark | ah, ok |
| 00:33.14 | sandsmark | ^_^ |
| 00:33.27 | kaiwen | so macosx plasmoids will work too, right? |
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| 00:33.56 | sandsmark | most will |
| 00:34.02 | sandsmark | I have the chuck norris facts thingy =) |
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| 00:34.18 | kaiwen | ah, where kind i find the mac osx ones? |
| 00:34.29 | sandsmark | on the apple pages |
| 00:34.38 | sandsmark | I'll see if I find a link |
| 00:34.42 | SharkMa-san | it was a huge disappointment 4.0 didn't work properly, and it's even a bigger one that the bug still is present in 4.1 :/ |
| 00:34.44 | kaiwen | lol |
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| 00:34.50 | kaiwen | which bug, the multi-screen? |
| 00:34.51 | sandsmark | http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/ |
| 00:34.54 | kaiwen | thanks |
| 00:34.56 | SharkMa-san | yea |
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| 00:35.07 | kaiwen | ah this is cool lol |
| 00:35.08 | SharkMa-san | it was even worse with 4.0 |
| 00:35.17 | kaiwen | lol Shark, mine works |
| 00:35.23 | kaiwen | i see no bug |
| 00:35.24 | SharkMa-san | so there has been some improvement in 4.1 |
| 00:35.40 | SharkMa-san | http://sharkma.pp.fi/screencapkde4.1.jpg |
| 00:35.41 | SharkMa-san | I do |
| 00:35.55 | kaiwen | lmao |
| 00:36.01 | kaiwen | are your screens the same size? |
| 00:36.05 | SharkMa-san | nope |
| 00:36.09 | kaiwen | exactly |
| 00:36.14 | kaiwen | did you answer my previous question? |
| 00:36.17 | kaiwen | about ur monitors? |
| 00:36.19 | kaiwen | no u didn't |
| 00:36.27 | kaiwen | did you setup yoru monitor sizes in xorg.conf |
| 00:36.29 | MinceR | im in ur monitors changin ur modez |
| 00:36.49 | sandsmark | nono, I'm in ur xorg.conf, failing your screensizes |
| 00:36.58 | kaiwen | lol |
| 00:37.00 | SharkMa-san | kaiwen: how do I set my monitor sizes in xorg.conf? |
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| 00:37.06 | kaiwen | there's ur problem |
| 00:37.06 | SharkMa-san | I have set the resolutions |
| 00:37.17 | kaiwen | which are... |
| 00:37.37 | SharkMa-san | it's another big failior with linux |
| 00:37.42 | SharkMa-san | bad documentation |
| 00:37.50 | kaiwen | WHICHAREï¼ or we can't helpu |
| 00:38.09 | kaiwen | ask questions so we can help, not bad comments |
| 00:38.15 | kaiwen | otherwise go back to mac or windows |
| 00:38.26 | kaiwen | and see if their community is better |
| 00:38.42 | SharkMa-san | well, it's a fact... the only problem I've had with linux is that I need to google several hours to get things to work |
| 00:38.55 | kaiwen | well so far, u spent 30 min. complaining rather than asking |
| 00:38.58 | SharkMa-san | other than that, I'm happy with it |
| 00:39.03 | kaiwen | if u want to get it to work, then answer the questions |
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| 00:39.31 | SharkMa-san | well, how do I set monitor aspects in xorg.conf? |
| 00:39.43 | kaiwen | wow |
| 00:39.52 | kaiwen | i thought u said u set ur resolutions already in xorg.conf |
| 00:39.59 | SharkMa-san | yes I have |
| 00:40.08 | kaiwen | tell me what it says besides virtual |
| 00:40.28 | SharkMa-san | I think it's better if I just put my xorg.conf somewhere |
| 00:40.36 | kaiwen | ??? |
| 00:40.41 | kaiwen | you still haven't answered my questions |
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| 00:40.55 | herlimenezes | Hello World! |
| 00:41.08 | kaiwen | System.out.print("hello"); |
| 00:41.23 | SharkMa-san | I have nothing that says virtual in my xorg.conf |
| 00:41.28 | kaiwen | that's yoru problem |
| 00:41.44 | kaiwen | ur problem has nothing to do with kde4.1 |
| 00:41.48 | kaiwen | it's ur configuration |
| 00:41.59 | kaiwen | what are your wo monitor resolutions, naming the main one first |
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| 00:42.14 | sandsmark | cout << "hello" << endl; |
| 00:42.15 | SharkMa-san | well, it's natural to expect it's kde 4.1, since no other desktop enivorement has the same problem |
| 00:42.45 | kaiwen | less comments more answers |
| 00:42.52 | kaiwen | we are spending our time trying to help you |
| 00:42.56 | kaiwen | let's make good use of that time |
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| 00:43.03 | herlimenezes | Strange kde behaviour: desktop cant start. When I start up kde desktop, screen becomos black and only cursor is seen. Nothing happens... |
| 00:43.13 | herlimenezes | *becomes |
| 00:43.14 | kaiwen | herlimenezes |
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| 00:43.17 | kaiwen | do you have gnome? |
| 00:43.24 | herlimenezes | yes I do |
| 00:43.30 | kaiwen | which distro do you have? |
| 00:43.43 | herlimenezes | Im using FC9 |
| 00:43.46 | SharkMa-san | kubuntu |
| 00:43.59 | kaiwen | you know Shark, it only takes me 1 sec. to answer my own question |
| 00:44.05 | kaiwen | 1024x768 |
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| 00:44.12 | kaiwen | what are your resolutions |
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| 00:44.23 | kaiwen | FC9, k, herlimenezes, is this a new install? |
| 00:44.24 | vKentucky | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.47 | kaiwen | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.44 | kaiwen | k that's it, i personally won't help you b/c you wont' answer, I already know what the problem is and it is not kde, it's yoru xinerama configuration |
| 00:45.45 | SharkMa-san | 1280x1024 and 1366x768 |
| 00:45.55 | kaiwen | k finally |
| 00:46.05 | kaiwen | wait, i'll find the proper configs |
| 00:46.06 | SharkMa-san | I didn't remember my TV resolution, so I had to check it |
| 00:46.14 | herlimenezes | kaiwen: yes, its a new install. What is strange is that KDE was working (not so well) with some bug. So I've change to gnome desktop. Everything is ok with gnome, but I prefer KDE, so I decided to change. Big suprise: black screen with only mouse ponter working... |
| 00:46.50 | herlimenezes | *pointer |
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| 00:47.47 | kaiwen | SharkMa-san, so it is a tv |
| 00:47.54 | kaiwen | that will ad to the problem |
| 00:47.55 | SharkMa-san | kaiwen: dvi -> hdmi |
| 00:48.05 | SharkMa-san | and my display is dvi |
| 00:48.11 | kaiwen | hdmi, k and your the thing u showed is doing it on what screen |
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| 00:48.28 | SharkMa-san | the screenshot was my display |
| 00:48.32 | kaiwen | which one |
| 00:48.40 | SharkMa-san | the 1280x1024 one |
| 00:48.57 | SharkMa-san | and my TV is not even usable, all I get is an X as cursor |
| 00:49.06 | SharkMa-san | on it |
| 00:49.17 | herlimenezes | any guess? |
| 00:49.41 | kaiwen | k, Shark, first off, i don't use xinerama actually, i use xrandr which xinerama is bassed off of |
| 00:49.44 | kaiwen | same thing |
| 00:49.46 | kaiwen | let me get the configs |
| 00:49.53 | SharkMa-san | I don't use xinerama |
| 00:49.58 | kaiwen | then its xrandr |
| 00:50.00 | kaiwen | is what u need |
| 00:50.02 | SharkMa-san | two completely different screens |
| 00:50.10 | kaiwen | yep, that is no problem for xrandr |
| 00:50.12 | SharkMa-san | I can't move applications between them etc. |
| 00:50.19 | kaiwen | that was why i needed the resolutions config |
| 00:50.21 | kaiwen | no problem |
| 00:50.40 | SharkMa-san | I've tried xinerama and dualview, but didn't like them |
| 00:50.46 | kaiwen | don't use those |
| 00:50.47 | SharkMa-san | on kde3 though |
| 00:50.51 | kaiwen | don't use those |
| 00:50.54 | kaiwen | those are buggy |
| 00:51.00 | kaiwen | wait so i can get the right configurations |
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| 00:51.21 | kaiwen | ok for your xorg.conf |
| 00:51.27 | kaiwen | for your main monitor |
| 00:51.34 | herlimenezes | kaiwen: im (trying) to use kde 4.0.5 |
| 00:51.44 | kaiwen | under the Modes "1280 1024" |
| 00:51.49 | kaiwen | paste this |
| 00:51.50 | kaiwen | Virtual2304 1024 |
| 00:51.55 | kaiwen | wait actualy no |
| 00:51.58 | kaiwen | wrong res. |
| 00:52.39 | kaiwen | need to get my calculator |
| 00:52.45 | kaiwen | herlimenezes let me try to help shark first |
| 00:52.54 | herlimenezes | ok, kaiwen |
| 00:54.10 | kaiwen | 1366 1792 |
| 00:54.12 | kaiwen | that's it |
| 00:54.14 | kaiwen | ok |
| 00:54.19 | kaiwen | past this under what i said |
| 00:54.42 | kaiwen | Virtual1366 1792 |
| 00:54.45 | kaiwen | i think that's right |
| 00:55.18 | SharkMa-san | and other thing, how do I set my keyboard as finnish in kde4_ |
| 00:55.19 | kaiwen | wait, do you want the tv on right or left |
| 00:55.26 | kaiwen | shark, this first |
| 00:55.30 | SharkMa-san | that _ should\ve been the question mark |
| 00:55.32 | SharkMa-san | k |
| 00:56.02 | kaiwen | scratch that |
| 00:56.05 | kaiwen | it's left or right right? |
| 00:56.06 | kaiwen | not above? |
| 00:56.27 | SharkMa-san | my secondary is left to my primary |
| 00:56.28 | SharkMa-san | and primary is the 1280x1024 |
| 00:56.48 | kaiwen | ok then it shoudl be this |
| 00:57.07 | kaiwen | Virtual2646 1280 |
| 00:57.28 | kaiwen | wait crap |
| 00:57.34 | kaiwen | Virtual2646 768 |
| 00:57.37 | kaiwen | since it is TV right? |
| 00:57.42 | kaiwen | yeah, that's it |
| 00:57.47 | kaiwen | under what i said before |
| 00:58.06 | kaiwen | put that under Modes "1280x1024" |
| 00:58.48 | kaiwen | is it done? |
| 00:59.05 | SharkMa-san | yea |
| 00:59.22 | SharkMa-san | anything else before I restart X server_ |
| 00:59.25 | kaiwen | yes |
| 00:59.36 | kaiwen | u'll need to write an autostart script |
| 00:59.38 | kaiwen | but |
| 00:59.41 | kaiwen | i need to find some info first |
| 00:59.50 | kaiwen | like the monitor info ur computer obtains |
| 00:59.51 | SharkMa-san | autostart script 0.o |
| 00:59.56 | kaiwen | it's a simple one |
| 01:00.02 | kaiwen | that way you don't have to go to console all the time |
| 01:00.03 | SharkMa-san | k |
| 01:00.31 | SharkMa-san | I\ll go back to kde3, since I\m seriously having problems with this keyboard layout |
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| 01:00.56 | kaiwen | ok, i'll still need to find the command i forgot it |
| 01:00.58 | kaiwen | do that |
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| 01:01.08 | kaiwen | ok wait |
| 01:01.10 | kaiwen | found it |
| 01:01.27 | kaiwen | are u there? |
| 01:02.45 | herlimenezes | hey |
| 01:03.02 | kaiwen | hey |
| 01:03.07 | kaiwen | so, have u installed all packages for kde? |
| 01:03.22 | kaiwen | all it shows is an arrow, correct? and it's version 4.0? |
| 01:03.34 | herlimenezes | yes, i have done it. And apparenly everything is automatically updated |
| 01:03.41 | herlimenezes | yes, 4.0.5 |
| 01:03.52 | kaiwen | hmm./. and gnome works... |
| 01:04.02 | herlimenezes | yes, perfectly... |
| 01:04.06 | kaiwen | weird |
| 01:04.09 | kaiwen | is kdm installed? |
| 01:04.16 | herlimenezes | with some kde applications. |
| 01:04.20 | herlimenezes | what is kdm? |
| 01:04.30 | kaiwen | display manager for kde |
| 01:04.39 | herlimenezes | dunno, how can I? |
| 01:04.40 | kaiwen | display login manager for kde |
| 01:04.47 | kaiwen | search it in ur repository for redhat |
| 01:04.50 | SharkMa-san | well |
| 01:04.54 | kaiwen | ok Shark |
| 01:04.56 | kaiwen | do this for me |
| 01:04.57 | SharkMa-san | I had to go to recovery mode |
| 01:05.02 | SharkMa-san | and remove the virtual part |
| 01:05.07 | SharkMa-san | since x server wouldn't start |
| 01:05.11 | kaiwen | xrandr -q |
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| 01:05.56 | kaiwen | Shark what do u see |
| 01:06.32 | SharkMa-san | many lines with resolutions |
| 01:06.36 | kaiwen | good |
| 01:06.38 | Bendie | Hi, does anybody get pdf file previews in dolphin (kde4.1rc1)? |
| 01:06.42 | kaiwen | name the two words on the very left |
| 01:06.51 | kaiwen | like VGA |
| 01:06.57 | kaiwen | resoultions.... |
| 01:07.01 | kaiwen | TMDS-1 |
| 01:07.04 | kaiwen | tell met them |
| 01:07.16 | SharkMa-san | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 1280 x 1024 |
| 01:07.16 | SharkMa-san | default connected 1280x1024+0+0 0mm x 0mm |
| 01:07.30 | SharkMa-san | and the rest is just the list of working resolutions with my monitor |
| 01:07.35 | kaiwen | no |
| 01:07.40 | kaiwen | wut is the word directly under SCreen 0 |
| 01:08.03 | kaiwen | the word right above the first line of reslution and on the very left |
| 01:08.20 | SharkMa-san | that's the second line I pasted here |
| 01:08.21 | Bendie | Hi, does anybody get pdf file previews in dolphin (kde4.1rc1)? I'd like to know whether this is a distribution related problem - I'm on kubuntu... |
| 01:08.24 | kaiwen | is it default? |
| 01:08.28 | kaiwen | ok |
| 01:08.28 | SharkMa-san | yea |
| 01:08.31 | kaiwen | there should be another section |
| 01:08.39 | kaiwen | after the last resolution what's the next line |
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| 01:08.49 | kaiwen | after the last resolution of the first segment |
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| 01:09.21 | SharkMa-san | there isn't |
| 01:09.28 | kaiwen | hmm |
| 01:09.38 | kaiwen | so it only shows resolutions for the first monitor? |
| 01:09.43 | SharkMa-san | yea |
| 01:09.52 | kaiwen | that makes it harder |
| 01:09.56 | SharkMa-san | like I mentioned, the screens are completely separate |
| 01:10.01 | kaiwen | yeah i know, but |
| 01:10.06 | kaiwen | the big problem is that u connected it to a tv |
| 01:10.16 | kaiwen | if it was connected to a second monitor it'll show two segments |
| 01:10.31 | kaiwen | tv will not be detected by the tv |
| 01:10.36 | kaiwen | linux |
| 01:10.42 | kaiwen | without userdefined configs |
| 01:10.42 | SharkMa-san | it's a flat fullhd tv |
| 01:10.46 | SharkMa-san | with hdmi input |
| 01:10.50 | kaiwen | yeah, i know, not a computer screen |
| 01:11.13 | SharkMa-san | I can get the info about the tv screen if I run the same command on that one |
| 01:11.21 | SharkMa-san | Screen 1: minimum 320 x 240, current 1360 x 768, maximum 1360 x 768 |
| 01:11.22 | SharkMa-san | default connected 1360x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm |
| 01:11.23 | kaiwen | what same command |
| 01:11.32 | kaiwen | there u go |
| 01:11.34 | kaiwen | that's what i needed |
| 01:11.36 | SharkMa-san | xrandr -q |
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| 01:11.47 | kaiwen | wait, did u just made ur tv the main screen? |
| 01:11.51 | kaiwen | by switching the cable? |
| 01:11.53 | SharkMa-san | nope |
| 01:12.03 | SharkMa-san | I ran xrandr -q on a console on my tv |
| 01:12.07 | kaiwen | ic |
| 01:12.23 | kaiwen | , it makes it harder b/c default |
| 01:12.25 | kaiwen | is defined the same for both |
| 01:12.36 | kaiwen | wait |
| 01:13.07 | kaiwen | so it defines as one monitor |
| 01:13.15 | kaiwen | that's why you had that problem before |
| 01:13.23 | kaiwen | linux sees it as one monitor |
| 01:13.31 | kaiwen | do this |
| 01:13.38 | kaiwen | xrandr --output default --auto --left-of default |
| 01:14.01 | SharkMa-san | xrandr: loop in relative position specifications |
| 01:14.13 | kaiwen | that's what i thought |
| 01:14.22 | kaiwen | and u said the virtual didn't work? |
| 01:14.33 | SharkMa-san | yea |
| 01:14.38 | kaiwen | hmmm |
| 01:14.41 | SharkMa-san | I couldn't get X server to start at all with it |
| 01:14.47 | kaiwen | ic |
| 01:15.03 | kaiwen | under Section "Screen" what does it say |
| 01:15.42 | kaiwen | also under Section "Monitor" |
| 01:17.02 | SharkMa-san | http://sharkma.pp.fi/xorg.conf |
| 01:17.46 | kaiwen | there we go |
| 01:17.47 | SharkMa-san | it was originally Virtual "2646x768" |
| 01:17.48 | kaiwen | i see the problem |
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| 01:18.02 | SharkMa-san | I just tried with the virtual setting you can see there |
| 01:18.05 | kaiwen | you have to sections |
| 01:18.07 | kaiwen | of screens |
| 01:18.12 | SharkMa-san | of course |
| 01:18.16 | SharkMa-san | since the screens are separate |
| 01:18.21 | kaiwen | icic |
| 01:19.18 | herlimenezes | kaiwen: I typed "yum info kdm", got as answer: no corresponding package to list |
| 01:19.36 | herlimenezes | surely its already installed... |
| 01:19.41 | kaiwen | i think so |
| 01:19.44 | kaiwen | do u have kde login screen? |
| 01:20.02 | kaiwen | hmmm.... |
| 01:20.11 | kaiwen | shark these links might help |
| 01:20.20 | kaiwen | http://www.howtoforge.com/dual-monitor-setup-on-ubuntu7.10 |
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| 01:20.34 | herlimenezes | yes, when I login I can choose between gnome or kde |
| 01:20.46 | kaiwen | http://navetz.com/view.php?id=132&title=Simple-dual-monitor-setup-with-XrandR-in-Ubuntu-Linux |
| 01:21.20 | kaiwen | hmm.. herlimenezes, i don't know, i think u have unresolved dependancies |
| 01:21.35 | herlimenezes | if i choose gnome, everything is ok, but kde splash screen is shown, opening sounds are played but no screen... |
| 01:22.07 | herlimenezes | if i try to update kde package, its said "nothing to be done"... |
| 01:22.14 | SharkMa-san | kaiwen: yes, on my primary screen |
| 01:22.16 | kaiwen | ic |
| 01:22.49 | kaiwen | shark, thing is, i don't see any of the Nvidia tags when you do xrandr- -q |
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| 01:22.59 | kaiwen | http://navetz.com/view.php?id=132&title=Simple-dual-monitor-setup-with-XrandR-in-Ubuntu-Linux |
| 01:23.03 | kaiwen | as you can see in this linkj |
| 01:23.15 | kaiwen | u'll need those tags |
| 01:23.22 | kaiwen | my guess is your nvidia driver |
| 01:23.22 | herlimenezes | how can I check dependencies? |
| 01:23.39 | kaiwen | herlimenezes, since ur using fedora, i'm not sure :( |
| 01:23.54 | kaiwen | did you install the nvidia driver Shark? |
| 01:24.14 | herlimenezes | ok, i will try again. I'll be back... |
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| 01:25.41 | kaiwen | the proprietary one, not the one in the repositories |
| 01:26.18 | SharkMa-san | *buntu uses the proprietary one |
| 01:26.29 | kaiwen | well, i'm all out of ideas |
| 01:26.29 | SharkMa-san | if you use the one in restricted modules, which is the one I use |
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| 01:26.36 | kaiwen | the one problem |
| 01:26.51 | kaiwen | is that your xrandr -q doesn't show it's recognition of the two displays |
| 01:27.05 | kaiwen | meaning, this is display one, i label this VGA |
| 01:27.11 | kaiwen | this is display two, i label it TV |
| 01:27.18 | kaiwen | and below it are the resolutions |
| 01:27.45 | kaiwen | in this case, these are two different screens |
| 01:27.49 | kaiwen | it has to do with ur xorg setup |
| 01:27.54 | kaiwen | not kde |
| 01:28.17 | kaiwen | mine works find with my ATI |
| 01:28.21 | kaiwen | and my laptop |
| 01:29.44 | SharkMa-san | works fine with my ati and nvidia |
| 01:29.47 | SharkMa-san | but not in kde4 |
| 01:29.59 | SharkMa-san | ati is in my laptop |
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| 01:32.57 | kaiwen | ic |
| 01:33.00 | kaiwen | well idk man |
| 01:33.14 | kaiwen | lol, it works for me! |
| 01:33.17 | SharkMa-san | and I fixed the virtual, but it fucked up the resolution on my primary monitor |
| 01:33.30 | kaiwen | icic |
| 01:33.38 | kaiwen | thatz b/c it thought ur primary monitor was the tv |
| 01:33.47 | kaiwen | b/c ur tv is part of the same monitor setup |
| 01:33.59 | kaiwen | well anyway, i have to go |
| 01:34.02 | kaiwen | i'm out of ideas |
| 01:34.06 | kaiwen | already spent an hour |
| 01:34.15 | SharkMa-san | well, I still think it's a bug in kde4 |
| 01:34.23 | kaiwen | if it is, file it |
| 01:34.24 | SharkMa-san | :P |
| 01:34.29 | SharkMa-san | it has been already |
| 01:34.31 | kaiwen | wel i'm gonna ga |
| 01:34.33 | kaiwen | go |
| 01:34.37 | SharkMa-san | I already put a link to it an hour ago |
| 01:34.37 | SharkMa-san | lol |
| 01:34.53 | kaiwen | hope u get it solved |
| 01:34.59 | SharkMa-san | thanks |
| 01:35.02 | kaiwen | np |
| 01:35.05 | SharkMa-san | and thanks for the help anyway |
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| 02:01.08 | kaiwen | hi, does anyone know how to install the mac osx widgets in plasma? |
| 02:01.17 | kaiwen | or any html based widget in plasma? |
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| 02:05.07 | PeterFA | I have a remote and I bound the keys using xmodmap. Now when I modify the sound it affects the wrong sound card. How do I make it modify the right sound card? |
| 02:05.31 | kaiwen | hi, does anyone know how to install mac os x or html widgets in plasma? |
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| 02:10.22 | newsense | d i need arts installed to have sound in kde ? |
| 02:12.14 | SharkMa-san | at least I've set ALSA as my sound system in kde3 |
| 02:13.30 | newsense | so i dont need arts than right |
| 02:14.08 | SharkMa-san | well, I'm not sure, but you don't lose anything from having it installed |
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| 02:14.25 | Daskreech | kaiwen: Which version of KDE are you on? |
| 02:14.33 | kaiwen | 4 |
| 02:14.34 | newsense | 3.* |
| 02:14.51 | newsense | i hear arts sucks neways |
| 02:15.32 | SharkMa-san | alsa is the one you want to use anyway |
| 02:15.45 | Daskreech | kaiwen: Which 4 ? |
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| 02:16.00 | newsense | ill install that i hear its good |
| 02:16.05 | newsense | thanks |
| 02:16.20 | newsense | got a minimal kde install and got no sound is the reason im asking |
| 02:16.21 | kaiwen | 4.1 |
| 02:17.12 | newsense | oss is outdated right ? |
| 02:17.41 | Daskreech | kaiwen: Download the file and use the install file button |
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| 02:17.56 | SharkMa-san | I've only have problems with OSS |
| 02:18.19 | kaiwen | hmm i think i have 4.0.5 |
| 02:18.27 | Daskreech | Ah won't work then |
| 02:18.27 | kaiwen | is there a way to install easily ubuntu? |
| 02:18.31 | kaiwen | ahh k icic |
| 02:18.33 | kaiwen | ;) |
| 02:18.34 | kaiwen | thanks |
| 02:18.46 | Daskreech | kaiwen: Yeah if you are on Kubuntu isntall ubuntu-desktop |
| 02:19.16 | newsense | try debian |
| 02:19.22 | newsense | very easy to install |
| 02:19.41 | SharkMa-san | I only have one thing to say about debian... iceweasel |
| 02:19.54 | newsense | i use it |
| 02:20.32 | SharkMa-san | I know it's the same as firefox, but after a day I had to download the real firefox and install it manually |
| 02:21.20 | Daskreech | Weasel isn't as cool as the fox is hot? |
| 02:21.57 | newsense | not much of a difference |
| 02:22.02 | SharkMa-san | well, for me it's the same as installing a linux system where linux has been renamed to something gay |
| 02:22.05 | SharkMa-san | :P |
| 02:22.17 | newsense | exactly |
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| 02:22.46 | newsense | different name and liscense i believe maybe little different code since debian does tweak packages |
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| 02:24.22 | kaiwen | Daskreech I just updated my repository, so i'll install 4.1 |
| 02:24.24 | kaiwen | thanks! |
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| 02:26.23 | Daskreech | ponders |
| 02:26.40 | Daskreech | Maybe Distros do make it too easy to install new versions of software.... |
| 02:27.42 | newsense | yeah and theres too many liux distros in my opinion |
| 02:28.00 | SharkMa-san | I agree |
| 02:28.29 | newsense | wonder how long it would take to install and test em all out |
| 02:28.36 | SharkMa-san | imagine how good the distros would be if there would only be few of them |
| 02:28.45 | Daskreech | HOw can there be too many? |
| 02:28.45 | SharkMa-san | *was |
| 02:28.49 | newsense | in my eyes there are only a few lol |
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| 02:29.10 | newsense | many are just wannabes of other distros |
| 02:29.17 | Daskreech | so? |
| 02:29.27 | newsense | not arguing |
| 02:29.36 | newsense | stating an opinion |
| 02:30.05 | Daskreech | Right I just don't get how having distros would reach to a point of too many |
| 02:30.14 | Daskreech | when does it hit that point? |
| 02:30.41 | SharkMa-san | there are just too many different programs that do the same, too many desktop systems (kde would be enough imo), etc. |
| 02:30.59 | newsense | when theres nothing new to offer that other distros already have |
| 02:31.16 | Daskreech | I don't think we have hit that point :) |
| 02:31.26 | Daskreech | but yes some distros duplicate things |
| 02:31.45 | newsense | how many distros use other distros package managers or installers or principles |
| 02:31.55 | newsense | come on |
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| 02:32.09 | Daskreech | SharkMa-san: a) you can't stop people working on things they find interest in b) having multiple choices is good c) porgrams are not distros :) |
| 02:32.22 | SharkMa-san | yes |
| 02:32.28 | newsense | if i see 1 million distros id like to see at least 25 million installers, package managers, etc |
| 02:32.39 | Daskreech | newsense: I think I can promise you that you don't want to have each distro have it's own packaging :) |
| 02:32.46 | newsense | err 25,000 |
| 02:33.04 | newsense | true but what really makes a distro unique |
| 02:33.16 | Daskreech | newsense: lots of things |
| 02:33.22 | newsense | its packages it offers and the way they are distributed and maintained |
| 02:33.23 | schnippi | its bootsplash *g* |
| 02:33.31 | SharkMa-san | of course it's nice to see new programs around, but it's not nice if none of the many programs work properly |
| 02:33.31 | newsense | the installer |
| 02:33.33 | Daskreech | A distro can be the exact same thing as another but have stronger (or looser) community rules |
| 02:33.49 | Daskreech | look at Redhat versus CENTOS |
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| 02:33.51 | newsense | its liscence |
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| 02:33.54 | Daskreech | the same |
| 02:34.04 | Daskreech | and I mean the SAME packages |
| 02:34.24 | Daskreech | but people like one over the other because of the rules of the community |
| 02:34.37 | newsense | i just think many could be retired and labeled as nothing more than a slightly modified or renamed clone |
| 02:35.04 | Daskreech | newsense: some have been but that doesn't stop people from using them or working on them |
| 02:35.04 | newsense | some distros stand out though and some clones are nice too |
| 02:35.11 | newsense | true |
| 02:35.13 | Daskreech | and some want to be clones |
| 02:35.26 | Daskreech | and some will find ways down the line to make themselves known |
| 02:35.44 | Daskreech | Mandriva was a carbon copy for many releases until they went the path they are on now |
| 02:35.58 | Daskreech | and we have a brand new now quite differetn distro |
| 02:36.02 | Daskreech | different |
| 02:36.19 | Daskreech | With KDE ^_^ |
| 02:36.40 | newsense | do you run linux ? |
| 02:37.27 | Daskreech | yep yep |
| 02:37.44 | newsense | what distro if ya dont mind me asking |
| 02:38.28 | rspinuz | how do you turn off the annoying start up and shut down sounds? |
| 02:39.46 | newsense | system notifications |
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| 02:40.36 | newsense | kmenu>settings>soundandmultimedia>systemnotifications |
| 02:41.06 | Daskreech | newsense: Kubuntu |
| 02:41.19 | newsense | i used it for a long time on my laptop |
| 02:41.29 | Daskreech | wants a laptop |
| 02:41.38 | Daskreech | Ok I'm lying I hate laptops |
| 02:41.43 | newsense | mine was 2500 bucks and got stolen |
| 02:41.47 | Daskreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.00 | Daskreech | Damn you Asus! |
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| 02:42.51 | newsense | i think im just gonna install linux on my ps3, cant afford a better pc than this p4 i got now |
| 02:43.00 | Daskreech | #ps3linux |
| 02:43.10 | newsense | cell processor will kick this thiings ass |
| 02:43.43 | newsense | Daskreech: are you trying to get rid of me |
| 02:43.58 | Daskreech | Well currently the kernel sees the Cell but without a recode programs only see the inline ppc |
| 02:44.01 | Daskreech | which kinda sucks |
| 02:44.19 | Daskreech | newsense: No just a community for you to hang out with |
| 02:44.37 | newsense | ill check it out thanks |
| 02:44.38 | Daskreech | non distro specific there are distro chans dedicated to the PS3 |
| 02:44.48 | newsense | didnt know there was a channel for it |
| 02:44.59 | Daskreech | but for now the fight isn't between them it's between the code and the hardware |
| 02:45.17 | newsense | yeah i hear no accelerated graphics |
| 02:45.51 | Daskreech | Yeah essentially if they can get myth or something like it and mplayer cell aware then it's going to be a insane present to play around with |
| 02:46.05 | newsense | yeah i agree |
| 02:46.07 | Daskreech | Yeah it's behind the hypervisor |
| 02:46.22 | Daskreech | but in theory you shouldn't need it |
| 02:46.44 | Daskreech | Some KDE stuff would be really neat to getcell aware |
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| 02:51.09 | herlimenezes | how can use "yum" to reinstall kde? |
| 02:51.17 | herlimenezes | * can I |
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| 02:52.15 | Daskreech | herlimenezes: Fedora I assume? |
| 02:52.32 | herlimenezes | Daskreech: yes, FC9. |
| 02:52.41 | Daskreech | herlimenezes: #fedora can help |
| 02:52.49 | herlimenezes | ok ty |
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| 03:01.18 | _cameron_ | does kdm need to be running for dcop to be running? |
| 03:01.32 | _cameron_ | i need to use dcop for accessing kate |
| 03:01.36 | _cameron_ | i have Xvfb |
| 03:01.44 | _cameron_ | i dont want to run kdm cus its bloated |
| 03:01.48 | _cameron_ | its in a server enviroment |
| 03:02.00 | Daskreech | No |
| 03:02.02 | _cameron_ | i JUST need kate running as well as dcop for accessing it |
| 03:02.13 | _cameron_ | i ran Xvfb with X :0.0 |
| 03:02.16 | _cameron_ | i mean |
| 03:02.19 | _cameron_ | i ran Xvfb with Xvfb :0.0 |
| 03:02.30 | _cameron_ | how do i make kate use this x server ? |
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| 03:03.47 | ABCD | _cameron_: `env DISPLAY=:0.0 kate` |
| 03:04.03 | _cameron_ | do i have to do dcopstart kate for it to use dcop ? |
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| 03:04.56 | ABCD | ...I don't know the answer to that one... |
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| 03:12.56 | thiago | _cameron_: no |
| 03:13.00 | thiago | DCOP is automatically started |
| 03:13.04 | thiago | you should try before asking. |
| 03:14.22 | _cameron_ | how do set up vnc server on my Xvfb :0.0 ? |
| 03:14.31 | thiago | off-topic |
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| 03:17.58 | brettw | In knetworkmanager I have a wireless and a wired connection defined. If I boot with the ethernet cable plugged in I still get connected to the wireless. I have to removed the plug and reinsert it to get a wired connection. |
| 03:18.17 | brettw | Is there a way to default to the wired if available? |
| 03:18.31 | thiago | knetworkmanager is a KDE app but isn't part of the default KDE distribution |
| 03:18.42 | thiago | besides, it's just a front-end to NetworkManager, which isn't KDE |
| 03:18.49 | brettw | OK thanks. |
| 03:18.51 | thiago | so, please ask in your distribution's channel |
| 03:18.57 | thiago | they'll know more |
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| 03:23.35 | _cameron_ | my modified kde works :-) |
| 03:23.42 | _cameron_ | kate* |
| 03:23.43 | _cameron_ | that is |
| 03:24.02 | _cameron_ | i use dcop to do KateApplication openURL /path/to/any.filetype utf-8 |
| 03:24.20 | _cameron_ | and it highlights and the file is /tmp/kate/any.filetype.html |
| 03:24.24 | _cameron_ | this is pimp :-d |
| 03:24.43 | _cameron_ | im almost 100% sure i'll be the only pastebin to use kate for highlighting ;-p |
| 03:25.02 | thiago | why don't you simply use the highlighting files? |
| 03:25.07 | thiago | they are .xml |
| 03:25.42 | thiago | write a parser for them |
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| 03:29.42 | Nyle | hey |
| 03:29.43 | Nyle | thiago, hi |
| 03:29.45 | Nyle | whats up |
| 03:29.52 | Nyle | anyone seen Renze? |
| 03:29.55 | Nyle | or canlliath? |
| 03:30.04 | thiago | canllaith has been busy |
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| 03:30.12 | thiago | she hasn't been around for a while |
| 03:31.07 | thiago | goes to bed |
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| 03:37.44 | rspinuz | how do i turn off the start up and shut down sounds? |
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| 03:45.40 | jpin | Hi, I can't find the option to hide "favorite folders" in kmail, anyone knows where it is? |
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| 03:52.11 | jpin | looks like i'm stuck with it.... |
| 03:52.48 | rspinuz | how do i turn off the start up and shut down sounds? |
| 03:52.59 | rspinuz | any one? |
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| 03:54.28 | oneforall | hmm kdebindings can't find x11 :) |
| 03:54.28 | thermaltakepc | #gnupanama |
| 03:54.34 | oneforall | http://pastebin.com/m72a70ed9 |
| 03:54.35 | jpin | rspinuz: I think that is on systemsettings -> notifications |
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| 03:58.27 | oneforall | hdebinding 4.0.99 |
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| 03:59.43 | jpin | Is anybody using kmail around here or what? |
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| 04:06.22 | Drantin | I use gmail >_> |
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| 04:08.23 | Daskreech | Drantin: Ha ha ha :) |
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| 04:09.58 | oneforall | I use seamonky's |
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| 04:10.21 | jpin | Drantin: I use gmail too, but through fetchmail -> kmail |
| 04:10.42 | Drantin | I mostly mentioned it for the semi-pun... |
| 04:11.01 | oneforall | darn is it kdelibs that made a bad CMake Error at /usr/share/apps/cmake/modules/FindX11.cmake:389 (MESSAGE): Could not find X11 |
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| 04:11.34 | Drantin | that looks more like cmake than kde >_> |
| 04:12.07 | jpin | Drantin: "semi-pun"? |
| 04:12.27 | oneforall | the other apps are ok |
| 04:12.29 | Drantin | kmail being a kde app, while gmail isn't a gnome app, but sounds like it could be... |
| 04:13.33 | oneforall | that file is from kdelibs |
| 04:13.56 | oneforall | hmm should do a diff on .98 and .99 |
| 04:14.16 | jpin | ..?! .. |
| 04:14.46 | jpin | well, does anyone know where can I turn off the "favorite folders" option in kmail? |
| 04:14.53 | jpin | I can't believe there isn't one... |
| 04:19.30 | oneforall | weird something broke it cause 4.0.98 of binding was good -- Found X11: /usr/lib64/libX11.so |
| 04:19.38 | oneforall | but now its failing too |
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| 04:20.28 | oneforall | only package I find that has the FindX11.cmake is kdelibs |
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| 04:24.44 | oneforall | I find it so much harder to trace down whats it was doing to even look for it and whats part in that file |
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| 04:32.45 | oneforall | that file would take the info sent to it from the app thats getting compiled right ? so if its given the wrong info then its not going to find it |
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| 04:50.10 | Tanktalus | I've the weirdest issue with amarok in kde4 ... if I set XF86AudioPlay as a global shortcut for play/pause, it doesn't seem to work (unless Amarok is in the foreground), yet XF86AudioMute for pause seems to work fine, even with amarok minimised to the systray... |
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| 04:51.37 | Tanktalus | yet setting XFAudioMute as the pause/play key works fine... :-/ |
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| 04:55.13 | dlee | hey guys, how do i uncancel some ktorrent downloads that I accidentally canceled? |
| 04:55.39 | dlee | the files are still there, it's just that ktorrent thinks the downloads are done and is only uploading the files |
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| 05:22.14 | talvik | dlee: have tried "Check data integrity"(right click on torrent)? |
| 05:22.38 | Kraplax | hi guys, i got problem |
| 05:22.55 | Kraplax | i can't login to my KDE3 |
| 05:23.26 | Kraplax | it always hangs on 'loading windows manager' |
| 05:23.36 | Kraplax | it's kde3.5.9 |
| 05:24.10 | Kraplax | i can't remember anything that i coud install, that could cause such problems.. |
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| 05:42.53 | lymeca | Using 4.1 rc1 here, and I can't figure out how to alter the order of applets on my panel. |
| 05:43.14 | lymeca | I accidentally deleted the K-menu button, and readded it but now it's on the right side of the panel! |
| 05:43.19 | lymeca | I can't get it back on the far left. |
| 05:43.22 | lymeca | Any suggestions? |
| 05:45.29 | oneforall | never tried kde4 yet but doesn't it hqave the right click move feature like 3.5.x does ? |
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| 05:47.02 | schnippi | lymeca: use the cashew on the plasma bar |
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| 05:47.28 | schnippi | this will open the panel configuration |
| 05:47.30 | lymeca | Oh I get it |
| 05:47.33 | lymeca | That's weird |
| 05:47.43 | lymeca | Not...bad necessarily |
| 05:47.48 | lymeca | Not used to it, different |
| 05:47.52 | schnippi | yep |
| 05:48.00 | lymeca | It'd be nice to be able to right-click applets and select move |
| 05:48.13 | lymeca | Both features could be implemented side-by-side without too much issue |
| 05:48.19 | oneforall | so no right click and +(move sign) ? |
| 05:48.22 | schnippi | hm, but how often do you move those items? |
| 05:48.42 | lymeca | Well... it's not about that very much |
| 05:48.55 | schnippi | so maybe better not to blow up context menus |
| 05:49.10 | schnippi | imo ;) |
| 05:49.13 | oneforall | doesn't amtter it was a lot more convenient and simpler to move them |
| 05:49.27 | lymeca | I consider myself quite an advanced user and I couldn't figure it out for the life of me. I was almost set on deciding it was not implemented yet in plasma and that I would have to wait until a later KDE version. |
| 05:49.30 | serzholino | drag and drop would be much nicier |
| 05:49.34 | oneforall | and every time I put one to the panel(kicker) its never where I want tot :) |
| 05:49.48 | schnippi | serzholino: yep |
| 05:50.06 | oneforall | yeah but sometimes drag drop gets takin as a click and thats frustrating |
| 05:50.38 | schnippi | i like the configuration like it is now, just to get used to it |
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| 05:51.06 | oneforall | well i hope the right click at least gets puit back ;) |
| 05:52.02 | lymeca | Yeah well it's nice to know that I can at least do it, and I know from now on, but honestly I shouldn't have to come to an IRC channel to figure out how to rearrange my panel applets. |
| 05:52.04 | oneforall | we should find out where the wish list url is :) |
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| 05:52.20 | lymeca | Multiple ways for doing the same thing is a GOOD thing! |
| 05:52.25 | oneforall | yeah exacty |
| 05:52.47 | oneforall | and taking away an old but still great way sucks too |
| 05:52.51 | abhishek | does anyone know how to install amarok2 alpha on fedora |
| 05:52.52 | abhishek | ? |
| 05:58.15 | serzholino | abhishek: maybe ask in your distro chanel |
| 05:58.44 | abhishek | serzholino: ya will do it now thanks! |
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| 06:01.50 | oneforall | darn this is frustrating tring to figure out whats got broken compiling 4.0.99 . I removed it and reinstalled 4.0.98 and kdebings is still compilign with same error. But it was compiling and finding X11 no problem before |
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| 07:21.29 | ew[efg]__ | Hi! How do I launch control panel from commandline? |
| 07:22.04 | jazka | ew[efg]__: kde4 or kde3? |
| 07:22.15 | ew[efg]__ | jazka: kde4 |
| 07:22.19 | jazka | systemsettings |
| 07:22.39 | ew[efg]__ | Thanks |
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| 07:26.41 | ew[efg]__ | Also how can I configure Akregator's embedded browser? It's smooth scrolling is very slow and middleclick isn't opening things in tabs anymore |
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| 07:52.47 | oneforall | X11_LIB_SEARCH_PATH= can I pass this with cmake ? This file is bad FindX11.cmake . Hard coded to lib so nothign for lib64 or lib32 |
| 07:53.15 | oneforall | kdebinding can't find x11 and after looking in there i see why |
| 07:54.00 | oneforall | putting a file in a non arch/lib dir doesn't make sence to me . |
| 07:54.12 | oneforall | when it is lib dependant |
| 07:54.52 | oneforall | and thats from kdelibs o.0 |
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| 07:55.16 | Ayabara | Window-stuff seems slow to me on kubuntu with kde4.1 rc1. Like changing desktops, open/close of new windows. Is optimization on of the focuspoints towards the 4.1 release? |
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| 07:56.25 | jazka | Ayabara: nvidia? |
| 07:57.11 | Ayabara | jazka: yep. I asked the same in kubuntu-kde4, and was told about the bug I suspect you're about to tell me about :) |
| 07:58.43 | jazka | http://techbase.kde.org/User:Lemma/GPU-Performance |
| 07:59.22 | jazka | it's not kde being unoptimized, it's the nvidia drivers |
| 08:00.35 | Ayabara | jazka: thanks |
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| 08:28.04 | oneforall | could not open default font 'fixed' the fonts work for kde3 O.o |
| 08:30.25 | oneforall | whats is the fixed font ? |
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| 08:30.41 | oneforall | should be in /usr/share/fonts/misc right ? |
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| 08:43.19 | marco_ | Can i ask here for strigi\nepomuk problems? |
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| 08:45.20 | pinotree | yes |
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| 08:47.05 | marchitos | ah :) |
| 08:47.10 | pinotree | "don't ask to ask, just ask" |
| 08:47.28 | marchitos | ok, i went on kde-devel some days ago |
| 08:48.00 | marchitos | and if you remember i had CPU problem with nepomukservice |
| 08:48.18 | marchitos | that was using 100 % and it didn't stored nothing |
| 08:48.50 | marchitos | i have upgraded to rc1 yesterday |
| 08:49.07 | kriko | Is it a know bug that some dropdownBoxes closes unexpectedly (like when choosing wallpaper in desktop settings) |
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| 08:49.25 | marchitos | nepomukservice uses 30-40 % |
| 08:49.47 | marchitos | and i have selected only to index my desktop folder ( about 20 files ) |
| 08:50.43 | marchitos | performances are a little better, but i can't store stars or tags.. |
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| 08:51.26 | marchitos | after have selected for example 4 stars, and i move to another file and then get back to the first file, i get no star |
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| 09:12.28 | obsoleteman | Hi, any idea about this problem? http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bugqq9.png . In this picture Forward button text must be "Ä°leri" in Turkish and preview button text must be Ãnizleme? Where are the dots? it is trunk kde4 |
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| 09:18.06 | opensourcecat | is there some way to use krunner for desktop search yet? i can see the xesam search plugin but i can't find informations on how to use it! |
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| 09:19.00 | opensourcecat | or alternatively nepomuk have yet (4.0.99) some capacity to show tagged items via krunner? |
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| 09:45.11 | _the_p | hello. I istalled kde4.1 rc1 now when i start it i have the problem that the crashhandler reports repatedly that knotify4 crashed. And i can't stop it from reporting it a new crashhandler window opens about every second. |
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| 09:48.04 | juanra | hi |
| 09:48.21 | SSJ_GZ | _the_p: How did you install it? |
| 09:48.29 | juanra | is there any solution for power management in kde 4.1?? |
| 09:49.27 | maazu | juanra: linux have complex solutions for power management |
| 09:49.49 | juanra | i mean a tool instead of solution |
| 09:49.51 | _the_p | SSJ_GZ: under gentoo with the ebuilds of an overlay. |
| 09:49.52 | juanra | an applet or something |
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| 09:50.14 | SSJ_GZ | _the_p: Ok. Do you have any xine stuff installed? |
| 09:50.15 | maazu | oh, that battery like icon that sits on the panel? |
| 09:50.29 | maazu | SSJ_GZ: i have xine-lib and xine |
| 09:50.36 | _the_p | SSJ_GZ: yes i have xine-lib and xine installed. |
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| 09:50.52 | juanra | maazu: that could be |
| 09:51.04 | SSJ_GZ | _the_p: Not sure then - I had the same thing once, but it was caused by not having xine installed. |
| 09:51.36 | _the_p | SSJ_GZ: then maybe it could be a dynamic linking issue. |
| 09:51.44 | SSJ_GZ | Could be. |
| 09:53.25 | elbeardmorez | hi. i'm failing miserably at building kde stable from svn (yes I like pain, and no I won't use a distro package). Can anyone recall missing includes compiling kdesupport/taglib ..i'm missing declarations of strlen in tstring.cpp (so i included cstring which got me past that) ..but now "free" in tfile.ccp destructor ..hence I think I'm missing so very standard includes.. .. memory related headers? |
| 09:55.34 | SSJ_GZ | elbeardmorez: Were there any errors during the SVN checkout? taglib is an svn external, IIRC, and may not have been fetched correctly (at a guess) |
| 09:55.38 | _the_p | elbeardmorez: I think free is a keyword in C++. This can't be missing. |
| 09:57.16 | maazu | gotta go |
| 09:59.50 | elbeardmorez | ..this is a dead loss. ..free is in stdlib.h ..I included that and progressed ..how can such fundamental includes be misssing?? ..it's died at the 5th hurdle now ..kdesupport/akode 'getenv' ..is kdesupport not maintained anymore ..could my kdesvn-build script be pulling the wrong branch i wonder. |
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| 10:04.15 | MrPrise | hello |
| 10:05.12 | MrPrise | which kde app has custom mdi windows? I need a good example on mdi |
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| 10:12.08 | Phlogi | when pluggin in a device I still get that old kde3 like dialog noticing about a new device, how can I get rid of that? |
| 10:12.11 | Phlogi | seems like that service from kde3 is still running |
| 10:12.33 | sandsmark | MrPrise: QT Designer supports both docked and mdi |
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| 10:13.39 | MrPrise | sandsmark: I need source code, I don't want to use qt designer |
| 10:14.41 | sandsmark | MrPrise: you can download the source code for qt designer |
| 10:14.45 | sandsmark | it comes with qt |
| 10:15.07 | MrPrise | ah, ok ;-) thanks |
| 10:15.14 | sandsmark | I meant that the application Qt designer has an mdi interface =p |
| 10:15.18 | sandsmark | np ;) |
| 10:15.53 | MrPrise | sandsmark: yes, I got it now :-) |
| 10:16.46 | MrPrise | hm kde.org does not work? |
| 10:16.58 | agnitio | yes |
| 10:17.19 | agnitio | or wait.. |
| 10:17.48 | jazka | nope, doesn't work |
| 10:18.06 | agnitio | yes, you are right |
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| 10:24.12 | hayig2000 | hi all, are there composing effects in kde 3.5.9? |
| 10:25.15 | sandsmark | yes, but limitied |
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| 10:25.18 | sandsmark | *limited |
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| 10:25.29 | sandsmark | only xrender, not opengl accelerated |
| 10:26.27 | hayig2000 | can i use the zoom function? |
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| 10:54.39 | root | guys what version is kde4.0.9? |
| 10:55.04 | Angelus | i mean , what version is kde4.0.99 ? kde4.1rc1 ? |
| 10:55.26 | \pub\bash0r | rc1+1 afaik |
| 10:55.29 | \pub\bash0r | 98 should be rc1 |
| 10:55.40 | Angelus | rc1+1 ? O_O |
| 10:55.46 | \pub\bash0r | the one after rc1 ;) |
| 10:55.59 | Angelus | and what is that? rc2? |
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| 10:56.12 | \pub\bash0r | no, just the first version after rc1 |
| 10:56.17 | \pub\bash0r | nothing official |
| 10:56.19 | Angelus | ic |
| 10:56.20 | \pub\bash0r | just another version |
| 10:56.31 | Angelus | its not kde4.2 right ? |
| 10:56.35 | kaminix | Why does this message keep popping up in KMail every now and then? Sometimes I get it like every 5 minutes, sometimes not for hours. It's annoying the **** out of me! http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2632/coundnotdetermineic5.png |
| 10:56.41 | \pub\bash0r | nope, it's just another step towards 4.1 |
| 10:57.43 | Angelus | ok |
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| 10:59.07 | atomopawn | kaminix: Did you add or remove a folder recently? |
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| 10:59.29 | kaminix | atomopawn: I did indeed, why? |
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| 11:00.15 | atomopawn | I've had those errors before, myself. |
| 11:00.23 | atomopawn | Unfortunately, can't remember exactly how I fixed them. |
| 11:00.30 | atomopawn | Gmail plays weird games with IMAP. |
| 11:01.07 | kaminix | :( |
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| 11:24.49 | _the_p | SSJ_GZ: I found out that i get the knotify4 errors when i open the add applet window from plasma not when kde starts. |
| 11:25.06 | SSJ_GZ | _the_p: Very odd. |
| 11:26.50 | _the_p | SSJ_GZ: Or maybe i have to retest. I have an idea why it could happen. In the default settings sound for new widow opens is on i think and maybe it is because it can't play the sound and it is not because of the new applet window. |
| 11:27.11 | SSJ_GZ | _the_p: That sounds plausible. |
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| 11:39.45 | cryingtux | hello |
| 11:40.03 | vinleod | greetings |
| 11:40.25 | cryingtux | vinleod : thanks |
| 11:40.51 | cryingtux | i wanted to talk to binner, i wonder if he drops in here |
| 11:41.33 | vinleod | hmm, I'm not that familiar with this channel yet. |
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| 11:42.33 | cryingtux | he is a kde developer and makes suse live cds too, i had a query about his current suse kde live cd |
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| 11:43.07 | vinleod | Hmm, the only CD I've ever made was an OpenBSD CD |
| 11:43.19 | _the_p | SSJ_GZ: It seems to be that phonon is not working. I opend the sound panel and then it shows that i couldn't open kcm_phonon.so because there was an undefined symbol. |
| 11:43.37 | SSJ_GZ | _the_p: Aha - packaging issue, the. |
| 11:43.38 | SSJ_GZ | n |
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| 11:45.45 | _the_p | SSJ_GZ: Is there any tool with which i can check if there are undefined symbols whitout having to rerun kde4? |
| 11:46.01 | SSJ_GZ | _the_p: Hmmm ... ldd might work. |
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| 11:57.16 | _the_p | SSJ_GZ: this is the error i get: http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapwc6.png |
| 11:57.58 | SSJ_GZ | _the_p: You;; have to contact whoever packaged it for your distro. |
| 11:58.04 | SSJ_GZ | *You'll |
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| 13:26.25 | Nazcafan | hello |
| 13:26.42 | Nazcafan | I am starting to write the doc of a kde app |
| 13:27.12 | Nazcafan | Are there particular guidelines when writing the doc? |
| 13:27.13 | PhilRod | lemme see if I can find some |
| 13:27.33 | PhilRod | http://l10n.kde.org/docs/ |
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| 13:35.01 | Nazcafan | PhilRod: thanks, this seems to qualify |
| 13:36.35 | PhilRod | some of it's a little old, but most of it should still apply |
| 13:36.48 | PhilRod | if you have any problems, ask on kde-doc-english@kde.org or in #kde-docs |
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| 13:38.13 | Tanktalus | I've the weirdest issue with amarok in kde4 ... if I set XF86AudioPlay as a global shortcut for play/pause, it doesn't seem to work (unless Amarok is in the foreground), yet XF86AudioMute for pause seems to work fine, even with amarok minimised to the systray... |
| 13:38.14 | Tanktalus | yet setting XFAudioMute as the pause/play key works fine... :-/ |
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| 13:38.52 | eramax | i have installed kde 4.1 on my ubuntu 8.04 and everytime i login i see that all panels have not any widgets |
| 13:39.30 | eramax | i put the widgets and after logout and login i saw that there are not ; |
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| 13:40.03 | cb400f | eramax: maybe plasma crashes on logout |
| 13:40.35 | eramax | no |
| 13:40.49 | eramax | everytime |
| 13:40.59 | eramax | every restart |
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| 14:01.35 | olimpico | How can I change the character encoding of KDE? |
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| 14:03.01 | cYmen | hello everybody |
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| 14:11.10 | Half-Left | Whats up |
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| 14:15.36 | pamcd | hi |
| 14:16.23 | Alexia_Death | Hi. Just wanted to jump in and let you know I absolutely love the UI changes in 4.1 . From what google tells me that is not such a common view. |
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| 14:16.33 | pamcd | i have kde 3.5 in a amd64 box... and can't get konqueror to play quicktime trailers (i have kaffeine with the codecs installed, actually i can watch the movies, but not in the web page) |
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| 14:30.50 | admiral0 | hi guys... i've got a question... kde4 trunk. will it compile under qt 4 embedded? |
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| 14:39.49 | thiago | admiral0: not guaranteed |
| 14:39.52 | thiago | it might happen |
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| 14:40.44 | Jucato | thiago: except for Plasma right? (unless Qt embedded supports X11?) |
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| 14:41.09 | thiago | Qt/Embedded isn't X11 |
| 14:41.11 | thiago | it's QWS |
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| 14:41.21 | thiago | so the entirety of kdebase/workspace is out of question |
| 14:41.34 | thiago | however, not even kdelibs is made to work on QWS. It may or may not compile. |
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| 14:46.51 | admiral0 | my goal is to compile kdebase and requirements for the freerunner |
| 14:47.09 | admiral0 | it has a X server |
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| 14:47.53 | Jucato | admiral0: that shouldn't be a problem then. have you seen the related Google Summer of Code project? |
| 14:48.10 | Jucato | Some people have already run KDE 4 even on the Neo1973 iirc |
| 14:48.33 | admiral0 | i've seen it |
| 14:48.38 | thiago | admiral0: if it has an X server, then use Qt/X11, not Qt/Embedded |
| 14:48.45 | admiral0 | that's why i want to compile it |
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| 14:48.56 | agnitio | is there a replacement for kpowersaved in kde4? |
| 14:49.02 | thiago | Qt/Embedded and Qt/X11 are not binary compatible with each other |
| 14:49.11 | thiago | agnitio: not yet |
| 14:49.45 | thiago | agnitio: use the KDE 3 version |
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| 14:49.45 | agnitio | thiago: thanks, yes I am using it, just wondered if there was a new one :) |
| 14:50.01 | admiral0 | so i must download the QT/X11 source and compile it |
| 14:51.09 | thiago | admiral0: yes |
| 14:51.20 | thiago | admiral0: Qtopia is not guaranteed to build on top of Qt/X11 though |
| 14:51.35 | thiago | I have no idea what OpenMoko is doing |
| 14:51.48 | admiral0 | in fact i couldn't even ./configure it |
| 14:51.52 | Jucato | thiago: "porting" Qtopia to X11 |
| 14:52.20 | Jucato | at least,that's what I understood it to be |
| 14:53.11 | sandsmark | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:OpenmokoFramework08.png |
| 14:53.38 | admiral0 | sandsmark: this is promising... The FSO |
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| 14:53.54 | Alexia_Death | Question, Anybody else have on 4.1 trouble with firefox and youtube videos generating empty X windows that stick around untill I close firefox and crash X if I try to close them on their own? |
| 14:54.24 | thiago | for an embedded device, sounds like a lot of unnecessary duplication |
| 14:54.30 | pinotree | Alexia_Death: #firefox |
| 14:54.31 | sandsmark | agnitio: powerdevil is going to be a replacement |
| 14:54.51 | sandsmark | agnitio: and it works rather well already, and I think they've ironed out most of the bugs |
| 14:54.57 | Alexia_Death | pinotree: not firefox issue. Kwin issue. Does not happen with any other vm. |
| 14:55.24 | sandsmark | agnitio: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=85078 |
| 14:55.30 | thiago | Alexia_Death: still a firefox issue |
| 14:55.38 | pinotree | Alexia_Death: if you give such a vague information, of course the logic reply was "#firefox" |
| 14:55.40 | thiago | and X shouldn't crash -> X issue |
| 14:56.21 | sandsmark | Alexia_Death: sounds like the flash plugin doesn't die when it should, and kwin just creates a window for it |
| 14:56.29 | sandsmark | (which it probably requested =) |
| 14:56.33 | Alexia_Death | thiago: if the unstable bit is kwin I have no reason to assume its either of the stable bits problem. |
| 14:57.07 | pinotree | Alexia_Death: and you consider both firefox and the flash plugin as stable? |
| 14:57.14 | Alexia_Death | sandsmark: quite possible. |
| 14:57.36 | thiago | Alexia_Death: can you check xwininfo and xprop on that window? |
| 14:57.36 | Alexia_Death | pinotree: LOL. more stable than the 4.1 beta anyway. |
| 14:58.00 | pinotree | Alexia_Death: you're becoming funny, really |
| 14:58.18 | sandsmark | Alexia_Death: flash has more problems here than 4.1, actually (as in rendering artifacts and crashes) |
| 14:58.30 | Alexia_Death | thiago: Give me a moment to generate one. |
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| 14:58.46 | Alexia_Death | sandsmark: you may be correct... |
| 14:58.47 | peppe | Alexia_Death: maybe it's something with to do with the XEmbed thing of the latest flash plugin. however, even a buggy wm shouldn't crash X, so there's something wrong in X anyway |
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| 15:12.33 | DebianUT | http://www.kde.org/ is down |
| 15:12.39 | thiago | we know |
| 15:12.50 | thiago | scheduled power cutoff in the Trolltech/Nokia offices in Oslo |
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| 15:13.49 | dmilith | hi. |
| 15:13.52 | dmilith | kde4? |
| 15:14.12 | thiago | yes |
| 15:14.17 | dmilith | i want to ask for widgets issue |
| 15:14.24 | dmilith | i'm downloading from internet.. |
| 15:14.46 | dmilith | then installing a widget, and it does not appear on my widget list |
| 15:14.53 | dmilith | ( all widgets list ) |
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| 15:16.05 | Jucato | dmilith: doesn't work for me either. I think it's still not fully done yet |
| 15:16.50 | dmilith | :{ |
| 15:16.54 | dmilith | too bad |
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| 15:17.24 | sandsmark | dmilith: themes work, and plasmoids I download as packages in my distribution, but not plasmoids from that direct install thingy |
| 15:17.50 | dmilith | sandsmark: but from where i could download them? |
| 15:17.59 | dmilith | and where plasmoid is downloading them? |
| 15:18.02 | sandsmark | dmilith: well, I got Apple Dashboard widgets to work |
| 15:18.04 | dmilith | i can't find any dir.. |
| 15:18.10 | sandsmark | dmilith: which distribution do you use? |
| 15:18.14 | dmilith | debian |
| 15:18.22 | dmilith | lenny ( packages taken from sid ) |
| 15:18.38 | sandsmark | try asking in #debian-kde (or similar) for which package that contains plasmoids |
| 15:19.26 | dmilith | ok |
| 15:19.58 | Jucato | sandsmark: that's the point though.. the Download from the Interent featue still doesn't work. Not sure if the Install from file works either... |
| 15:20.13 | Jucato | (it can be done manually anyway I presume) |
| 15:20.21 | sandsmark | Jucato: it works for dashboard widgets =) |
| 15:20.24 | sandsmark | http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/ |
| 15:20.37 | Jucato | pfft |
| 15:20.38 | dmilith | Jucato: do You have source to manually download widgets? |
| 15:21.09 | Jucato | dmilith: kde-look.org is where the Download from Internet dialog is getting widgets from |
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| 15:25.18 | oneforall | well kde4 over in startx -- :8 nice but a few things that I can't find and wish were still there :) |
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| 15:26.53 | oneforall | panel settings doesn't seem to have as much as kde3 . reaize the pannel . that nice widget or hover over icon ont he right of the pannel I see doub;e click on that and the setting anel opens . then after that you can hover over the things you want to move |
| 15:29.32 | Jucato | oneforall: move panel top/bottom, set panel minimum and maximum limits, set panel alignment. what else? |
| 15:30.10 | Jucato | except for the hiding-related settings, aren't those all that the kicker had as well? |
| 15:31.13 | agnitio | sandsmark: thanks |
| 15:31.29 | agnitio | oh, I just noticed a bug in konsole4.1rc1, maybe it's the radeonhd driver |
| 15:31.48 | agnitio | but if you hover over a link, so it's underlined.. and then scroll the view, the underline remains were it was |
| 15:32.15 | agnitio | to remove it you have to hover over the same/another link and then scroll again |
| 15:34.26 | oneforall | was just back over there playing with it ;) (its in my chroot for now |
| 15:36.19 | oneforall | but I mean to have it smaller and when you hover over the icons on the kicker they get bigger like in 3.5.9 . just doesn't seem to be as much control as the good old right click on the kicker. plus I can't find that wrench for the kicker widget either . or somerthing replacing it |
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| 15:37.23 | oneforall | plus I'd like to use konq in file mode but was trignt right clcik etc to open it that way but no luck so far |
| 15:37.29 | Jucato | <oneforall> but I mean to have it smaller and when you hover over the icons on the kicker they get bigger like in 3.5.9 <-- that didn't happen in KDE 3.5...or perhaps you were referring to the balloon tooltips |
| 15:37.42 | Jucato | what wrench for kicker widget? |
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| 15:39.04 | Yns^ | hey all |
| 15:40.07 | oneforall | hmm classic kicker style . I do like the new K but I don't liek all the extra clicking compared to hover over and each one opens up |
| 15:40.54 | oneforall | the wrench on the kicker in 3.5.9 was the settings . fonts theme etc |
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| 15:41.46 | oneforall | plus setting for teansperance on the kicker . much harder to find all that now |
| 15:42.57 | oneforall | Jucato and yes they did in 3.5.8/9 made the kicker tiny and the icos(widget not sure which one they are) but the apps I added to the kicker |
| 15:43.00 | Jucato | oneforall: I think you mean "k menu" when you say "kiker" |
| 15:43.45 | oneforall | well if I loose it I just do in konsole kicker & :) |
| 15:43.55 | Jucato | ... |
| 15:44.03 | oneforall | that whole paner on the bottom is kicker witht eh k on the left |
| 15:44.18 | oneforall | panel* |
| 15:44.47 | Jucato | I know |
| 15:45.11 | Jucato | <oneforall> hmm classic kicker style <-- you're referring to the K Menu on this one |
| 15:45.32 | Jucato | <oneforall> the wrench on the kicker in 3.5.9 was the settings . fonts theme etc <-- still have no idea what you mean. KControl? |
| 15:45.40 | oneforall | looks nice but just hard to find all the setting now or maybe they just aren't ported yet . I dunno |
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| 15:45.43 | Jucato | <oneforall> plus setting for teansperance on the kicker . much harder to find all that now <-- that's all based on Plasma themes now |
| 15:46.30 | oneforall | kontrol center modules menu a wrench it is in the widget picker |
| 15:47.23 | oneforall | whoops applet panel |
| 15:47.44 | oneforall | just above show desktop one |
| 15:48.04 | Jucato | Settings Panel Applet |
| 15:48.13 | oneforall | lot more in the 3.5.9 |
| 15:48.43 | oneforall | that how I got the wrench on the kicker Add Applets - KDE Panel |
| 15:48.49 | Jucato | of course you lose kicker applets... because there's no kicker. but a few are already "ported" |
| 15:48.59 | Jucato | (Konqueror profiles, for example) |
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| 15:53.05 | oneforall | well I tried to grab the top of that kmenu(kicker) and it doesn't go any smaller or bigger |
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| 15:55.24 | Yns^ | hey all, i saw a python -kdialog example. i wanna use other gui things from kde. any other else from kde? and a documentation link please :/ |
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| 15:57.04 | oneforall | blah lots of thing on that kmenu(kicker) that just aren't there :( resizing, moving things around couldm't move the clipboard icon,widget or what ever its called . only way it moved at allw as moving the bar that all the application show on in the kicker |
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| 15:59.20 | oneforall | hmm that one if you can time it right and see the 4 arrows and right click on it you can move it . |
| 16:00.18 | grinias | KDE4.1 RC1 why in Applications Launcher->Applications i see only ? and no icons |
| 16:01.15 | wilsonsamm | grinias, you have installed KDE 4 how? distro? |
| 16:01.27 | sandsmark | oneforall: you can resize and move applets in rc1 |
| 16:01.50 | sandsmark | Yns^: http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/ |
| 16:01.54 | sandsmark | whops |
| 16:01.57 | sandsmark | Yns^: http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/static/Docs/PyKDE4/index.html |
| 16:02.01 | sandsmark | was what I meant =) |
| 16:03.09 | wilsonsamm | grinias is lacking an icon theme methinks |
| 16:03.13 | grinias | wilsonsamm: yes kubuntu 8.04.1 distro |
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| 16:04.21 | wilsonsamm | kubuntu comes have you gotten an icon theme and installed it? |
| 16:04.27 | wilsonsamm | ssorry |
| 16:04.53 | wilsonsamm | grinias, have you installed the right icons? |
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| 16:05.34 | grinias | the default package is installed, but i ll check the version |
| 16:06.15 | Yns^ | thanks sandsmark, i'm on it |
| 16:06.25 | sandsmark | np |
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| 16:07.37 | grinias | it is kde-icons-oxygen 4.0.98 |
| 16:07.53 | grinias | so i think is the right one |
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| 16:08.47 | wilsonsamm | sorry I don't know kubuntu |
| 16:09.16 | grinias | ok, thanx anyway |
| 16:10.27 | oneforall | 4.0.99 |
| 16:11.09 | oneforall | hmm ok I jit that zoom out and it like the transperant bg from gimp but now how do I get out of that :) |
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| 16:14.20 | oneforall | yeah them applets moive ok but the clipboard,lockout/exit ones for example don't very easy . miss that right click move . even in classic kicker its not there |
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| 16:15.03 | oneforall | even esc aint getting me out of that zoom |
| 16:15.50 | sandsmark | zoom in again |
| 16:16.01 | sandsmark | and I've never been able to move the systray icons |
| 16:16.48 | oneforall | that the proopblem it took me a while of sliding it to the right for a long time and I found the bg smaller and that fancy thing that was on the right |
| 16:18.08 | oneforall | sandsmark I did I finally had seen oen with the 4 arrows but very light and really small and in the middle of them and I right clicked and could drag it around. but it doesn't work well all the timne |
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| 16:19.46 | sandsmark | it works very well here |
| 16:20.03 | oneforall | you know that checked look for the transperant layer in gimp ? Thats what gets zoomed and the bg ends up smaller and to the far left witht hat widget I guess its called way over there too ;) |
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| 16:21.05 | sandsmark | oneforall: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/ZUI |
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| 16:22.16 | sandsmark | oneforall: just move your mouse over the yellow plasma icon, click, release, move your mouse to the "zoom in" button, click, release, and you should be back |
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| 16:31.44 | agnitio | is the kde4.1 release schedule on track, with the release being tagged the day after tomorrow, or will there be another rc? |
| 16:32.44 | oneforall | yes I clicked that yellow trear drop and it opens up the + zoom and forget what the other was buit 3 selection . But the problem is when I hit click zoom . the bg is way off to the left out fo sight and that yeallow tear drop was with it and it and the bg picture were smaller |
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| 16:33.35 | oneforall | I was grabbing and moving that checked bg both ways for a while and it was way off tot he left :) |
| 16:33.51 | oneforall | tot he/to the |
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| 16:38.34 | oneforall | nice you can make dolphin like kong file manager mode . |
| 16:38.55 | oneforall | new name for tree now eh folders O.o |
| 16:41.48 | oneforall | ouch I crashed dolphin . clicked home in places section |
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| 16:42.50 | Jucato | oneforall: I hope you're not planning on making this channel your personal twitter |
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| 16:47.15 | oneforall | hmm classic panel and the right click to add the app to the desktop or panel doesn't work |
| 16:47.44 | Jucato | oneforall: make sure you don't have Lock Widgets |
| 16:48.02 | Jucato | (right-click on desktop or panel) |
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| 16:48.28 | oneforall | will go look . never used it but maube its on by default eh |
| 16:49.27 | lirq | kde.org offline? |
| 16:49.31 | oneforall | ah no when looked that yelow tear drop on the right is gone :) |
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| 16:54.05 | oneforall | classic mode drag drop works but miss and it opens it up :) |
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| 16:54.59 | sandsmark | lirq: planned powerdown at trolltech |
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| 16:57.28 | oneforall | hmm other than making the panel smaller width wise . I just can't get it to be changed hieght wise or move it to the left right side etc . i see an add panel but even that does't ask you where you want to put it |
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| 16:59.21 | Yns^ | i wanna add a "link" to a bash script with a icon in desktop. what should i do? |
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| 16:59.46 | DawnLight | hello. using 3.5 is there a way to set the locale for non-kde apps? |
| 17:00.28 | DawnLight | how do i set the locale for non-kde apps? |
| 17:00.34 | sandsmark | Yns^: right-click, new link to program |
| 17:00.40 | DawnLight | different from the default system locale |
| 17:00.48 | Yns^ | sandsmark, can i do it with .desktop file? |
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| 17:01.02 | sandsmark | Yns^: if I understand correctly, yes |
| 17:01.13 | Yns^ | sandsmark, how :) |
| 17:01.40 | sandsmark | put in the desktop folder, and add a folderview? =) |
| 17:01.54 | Yns^ | i'm sorry, folderview? |
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| 17:03.13 | sandsmark | are you on kde 4? |
| 17:03.17 | Yns^ | and, my KDE version 3.5.x |
| 17:03.30 | Yns^ | my distro doesn't supports 4 |
| 17:03.35 | sandsmark | oh, ok |
| 17:03.41 | sandsmark | then just put the link on the desktop =) |
| 17:03.57 | Yns^ | ico file? |
| 17:04.16 | sandsmark | .desktop file |
| 17:04.22 | oneforall | well time for bed will play with it more later . thanks |
| 17:05.10 | Yns^ | hmm, thanks agains sandsmark. |
| 17:05.20 | Yns^ | again* |
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| 17:05.56 | oneforall | hmm weird clicked on the update tool and it made the screen a yellowish color and then I tried the alt tab and it said no windows |
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| 17:38.18 | bendie | Hi! Does anyone know why the flag icons of kxkb (Keyboard layout switcher) in the systray are all grey. I mean there's just a grey rectangle while in kde3 there used to be the respective country flag. Should I file a bug report? Or is it a packaging problem (I'm on Kubuntu Hardy, Kde 4.1 rc1) |
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| 17:45.07 | Mirrakor | is kdepim4 already useable? |
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| 17:47.35 | sandsmark | Mirrakor: depends on what you define as usable |
| 17:47.35 | sandsmark | Mirrakor: I use it daily |
| 17:47.35 | Phlogi | Mirrakor: yes |
| 17:47.42 | Phlogi | me2 |
| 17:47.49 | Phlogi | is there a kde4 regexp editor? |
| 17:48.05 | Mirrakor | Kate can use regex, can't it? |
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| 17:51.41 | AliDurrani | Can i Advertise my Web here? |
| 17:51.55 | martijn81 | why would you |
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| 17:53.04 | AliDurrani | :) Its new that'swhy no body know baout it |
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| 17:53.47 | martijn81 | get it findable by google and put it on your blog |
| 17:54.11 | AliDurrani | I know i Write W___W___W Bot wana Kick me is that any way to invite user via PM Automatically |
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| 17:55.03 | martijn81 | no for pm you need a registered nick on freenode |
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| 18:00.30 | sandsmark | AliDurrani: if we need your webpage, it's highly likely that we will find it ourselves, if google indexes it =) |
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| 18:04.20 | sandsmark | ...not if it is a hotel, though |
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| 18:08.36 | pinotree | AliDurrani: no, you cannot advertize your site here |
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| 18:10.09 | brot | well, at least he is asking, which is imo very polite ;) |
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| 18:12.33 | sandsmark | brot: well, he probably avoided a ban by asking, so :p |
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| 18:15.10 | VelcroMan | Hi, i downloaded a new Kicker Icon from kde-look. I copied it into all the size folders exept for 16x16. the icon is a bit "presses together". It should be both wider asnd higher |
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| 18:16.56 | VelcroMan | How can i make it larger? |
| 18:20.14 | eljefe | How can I save a TXT file to be openable in Windows? aka I need to proper CR/LF endings, whatever those are... |
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| 18:23.53 | pinotree | eljefe: in either kwrite or kate, tools â end of line â windows/dos |
| 18:23.54 | lirq | eljefe: kwrite->settings->Configure Editor->Open/Save->End of Line->Dos/Windows |
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| 18:24.13 | _genuser_ | hello people. |
| 18:25.02 | eljefe | great thank you! |
| 18:25.07 | bendie | eljefe: If you are using Kwrite from Kde4, you may need to "Enable power user mode" in Settings -> Appearance for the menu entry to appear. |
| 18:25.37 | _genuser_ | so from kde 3.5 to 4.0 all the Windows like shortcuts are gone? |
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| 18:25.50 | janis | hi there!! How can I run .desktop files from command line? |
| 18:25.53 | _genuser_ | no Window-D or alt-space.... |
| 18:26.13 | _genuser_ | janis: what is a desktop file? |
| 18:26.17 | sandsmark | janis: kfmclient? |
| 18:26.19 | sandsmark | or something |
| 18:26.29 | sandsmark | kfmexec, maybe does it |
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| 18:26.48 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: do you ever leave. :P |
| 18:26.50 | VelcroMan | Anyone? The icon i downloaded is 64x128 i think |
| 18:26.59 | janis | hm.. It is an application, or some shortcut to it. Isn't there some universal executable to handle them? |
| 18:27.04 | sandsmark | _genuser_: seldom :p |
| 18:27.08 | janis | lemme try.. |
| 18:27.18 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: good for the kde people. |
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| 18:27.38 | sandsmark | janis: I think for example opera uses kfmexec to handle files when it detects KDE running |
| 18:27.47 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: hey you got any ideas why all the keyboard shortcuts were changed from 3.5 to 4.0? |
| 18:28.15 | janis | sandsmark, kfmexec doesn't seem to produce any visible or written output... |
| 18:28.50 | _genuser_ | janis: if you can clikc on this file from dolphin to launch it, just use dolphin filename |
| 18:28.52 | janis | _genuser_, they are files in kde to describe certain things, like shortcuts to folders, applications, folder properties, etc |
| 18:29.10 | _genuser_ | janis: oh ok. |
| 18:29.14 | sandsmark | janis: kfmclient --help |
| 18:29.16 | janis | what is dolphin? |
| 18:29.28 | sandsmark | _genuser_: you can set the default keybindings in systemsettings |
| 18:29.33 | sandsmark | janis: the new filemanager in kde 4 |
| 18:29.38 | _genuser_ | janis: if you're using 3.5 then konqueror. dolphin is the filemanger in 4.0 |
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| 18:30.12 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: right, but setting them in all environments is kind of busy business. Kinda like the 3.5 how it mimiced Windows so it was easy to use... |
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| 18:30.43 | sandsmark | _genuser_: the windows-like layout was also just one of many default layouts |
| 18:30.47 | sandsmark | I used the mac-os like bindings |
| 18:31.42 | elbeardmorez | hello all. has anyone who has ever built from svn successfully made the KDEHOME variable work / be honoured with anything but the default '~/.kde'? I can't and have tried debugging kstartupconfig but it exits normally when called standalone, when it's called through the startkde script it fails... ..but watching environment variables up until the call they are fine.. ..anyone? |
| 18:31.53 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: using 4.1? I don't default layouts... or was it during installation? |
| 18:32.01 | janis | excellent!! thanks guys! ( sandsmark ) it was kfmclient exec <filename> that did the trick! :) |
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| 18:32.39 | sandsmark | _genuser_: uhm, it has disappeared in kde 4, it seems, in favour of a more generic thing |
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| 18:33.36 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: interesting. also it doesn't recognize any multimedia buttons. XFCE does. X keymap is done properly so X sees those keys. XFCE does also. |
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| 18:35.24 | sandsmark | kmilo has been dropped, because noone was maintaining it |
| 18:35.35 | sandsmark | you can probably set up your own global shortcuts, though |
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| 18:37.02 | _genuser_ | so kmilo is something was using multimedia keys? |
| 18:37.26 | _genuser_ | KDE recognizes those keypresses. Just not the key. |
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| 18:38.56 | sandsmark | http://www.kde.me.uk/index.php?page=kmilo |
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| 18:40.08 | _genuser_ | so this realy cool thing was dropped? |
| 18:40.15 | _genuser_ | oh well. |
| 18:40.34 | _genuser_ | supposedly they have cross-platform keymappers.... |
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| 18:43.53 | _genuser_ | oh do have any idea for a good mp3 encoder ? |
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| 18:44.11 | sandsmark | lame |
| 18:44.20 | sandsmark | you can also look on kde-apps.org |
| 18:44.24 | sandsmark | lots of different frontends |
| 18:44.36 | _genuser_ | the program is lame? or is that the actual encoding library... |
| 18:44.42 | _genuser_ | looking on kde-apps.org. thanks. :) |
| 18:45.03 | sandsmark | _genuser_: it is named "lame" =) |
| 18:45.14 | sandsmark | "Lame Ain't an Mp3 Encoder" :p |
| 18:45.36 | sandsmark | it really isn't an mp3 encoder, just makes files that can be played by software that can play mp3 files, for legal reasons =) |
| 18:45.38 | _genuser_ | right. I just remember it being a lib and a standard along with blade and stuff. but wasn't sure if someone atual named the program also lame. :) |
| 18:45.58 | sandsmark | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.12 | martijn81 | anyone has done something with kpackagekit already? |
| 18:46.18 | _genuser_ | sandsmark: cool it's already isntalled. no need to go find stuf. |
| 18:46.30 | sandsmark | =) |
| 18:46.50 | sandsmark | martijn81: boom1992 and drf__ are working on Shaman2, which is going to have a packagekit backend |
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| 18:47.17 | boom1992 | sandsmark: and wkai__ when he appears here :D |
| 18:47.42 | sandsmark | ;) |
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| 18:48.04 | sigma | what kde4 software can i use to make a screencast with audio? |
| 18:48.33 | Jejem | gtkrecordmydesktop / kdenlive / .. ? ;) |
| 18:48.44 | sandsmark | qtrecordmydesktop =) |
| 18:48.53 | sandsmark | and blender is much better than kdenlive, imho |
| 18:49.02 | sandsmark | it's much more stable, at least |
| 18:49.08 | Jejem | blender forever |
| 18:49.50 | sandsmark | http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Manual/Video_Sequence_Editing |
| 18:49.50 | sandsmark | nah, just until freqmod_qu finishes his awesome qgraphicsview node-based video mixer/editor =) |
| 18:49.52 | sigma | sandsmark: is there a kde4 version? |
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| 18:50.07 | sandsmark | sigma: of what? |
| 18:50.08 | Freddy2 | hi |
| 18:50.18 | sandsmark | blender uses it's own opengl-based toolkit =) |
| 18:50.33 | freqmod_qu | sandsmark: which would take another 3-4 years if it is developed with the current speed. |
| 18:50.34 | sandsmark | freqmod_qu: hi |
| 18:50.37 | sandsmark | freqmod_qu: :p |
| 18:50.44 | sandsmark | bah, I meant Freddy2: Hi! |
| 18:51.08 | Freddy2 | :D |
| 18:51.09 | sandsmark | freqmod_qu: so, around qt 5? =) |
| 18:51.17 | freqmod_qu | probably |
| 18:51.30 | martijn81 | sandsmark: cool man! do you need a translator for shaman2 to Dutch? |
| 18:51.35 | sandsmark | martijn81: ask boom1992 =) |
| 18:51.38 | sandsmark | martijn81: probably ;) |
| 18:51.54 | martijn81 | :) |
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| 18:52.20 | boom1992 | martijn81: well I don't know how it's managed so far, we're in an early stage and probably it's gonna translated by kde-translators, but if not, yes :) |
| 18:52.36 | boom1992 | and I guess you're welcome to kde-translators as well :) |
| 18:54.02 | martijn81 | boom1992: but i already am an kde translator |
| 18:54.12 | martijn81 | i translated ktorrent and a little konversation |
| 18:54.19 | boom1992 | martijn81: ha cool :) |
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| 18:54.39 | martijn81 | boom1992: when can we expect a release? |
| 18:54.52 | martijn81 | or is there some svn i can get my hands dirty on? |
| 18:54.58 | boom1992 | martijn81: oh no clue, we're currently working on basic-functionality |
| 18:55.04 | boom1992 | martijn81: ha yes |
| 18:55.08 | martijn81 | i see |
| 18:55.11 | boom1992 | look in playground/sysadmin/shaman |
| 18:55.12 | boom1992 | ... |
| 18:55.15 | boom1992 | that's all what we have |
| 18:55.17 | martijn81 | :) |
| 18:55.20 | martijn81 | k |
| 18:55.22 | boom1992 | currently totally brokend |
| 18:55.29 | boom1992 | but will be fixed in some hours |
| 18:55.31 | martijn81 | hehe |
| 18:55.33 | boom1992 | when wkai__ comes back =) |
| 18:55.39 | boom1992 | made some api-breakage :D |
| 18:56.45 | pinotree | boom1992: do you know fearee@gmail.com ? |
| 18:56.58 | boom1992 | pinotree: sure |
| 18:57.02 | boom1992 | pinotree: why? |
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| 18:57.21 | pinotree | then, please tell him that (and to fix that, too), |
| 18:57.22 | pinotree | # Copyright (c) 2008 yoyoCat <fearee@gmail.com> |
| 18:57.28 | boom1992 | pinotree: ok sure |
| 18:57.33 | pinotree | yoyoCat is *nothing* |
| 18:57.40 | boom1992 | mmh he has fixed some copyrights some days ago |
| 18:57.41 | boom1992 | mmh |
| 18:57.44 | boom1992 | probably he left some |
| 18:57.45 | boom1992 | =) |
| 18:57.48 | boom1992 | I will tell him :) |
| 18:59.53 | Freddy2 | 4.1 rc1 is already feature frozen? |
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| 19:00.06 | pinotree | since months, yes |
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| 19:00.54 | Freddy2 | i see.. thx |
| 19:01.34 | boom1992 | pinotree: all that copyright issues are already fixed... |
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| 19:03.05 | pinotree | boom1992: wrong, still there |
| 19:03.21 | boom1992 | pinotree: where? |
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| 19:03.34 | pinotree | cmake/modules/FindPackageKit.cmake |
| 19:03.55 | boom1992 | pinotree: ah ok |
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| 19:03.59 | boom1992 | I will inform him |
| 19:04.09 | boom1992 | pinotree: btw why do u have a copyright from 2009??? |
| 19:04.28 | pinotree | because the 9 is next to the 8, in the keyboard? |
| 19:04.38 | boom1992 | pinotree: lol ok =) |
| 19:04.39 | boom1992 | wanna fix? |
| 19:04.54 | sandsmark | blames qwerty |
| 19:04.57 | boom1992 | blames sandsmark |
| 19:04.58 | boom1992 | :P |
| 19:05.27 | sandsmark | meh, I was born long after qwerty was standardized =) |
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| 19:05.41 | boom1992 | pinotree: thx :) |
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| 19:07.07 | martijn81 | boom1992: do you think it would be included in intrepid? i have seen jonathan experimenting with kpackagekit in his own repository on launchpad already, so if you are in time... |
| 19:07.33 | boom1992 | martijn81: well I'm not 100% sure of the first release |
| 19:07.39 | boom1992 | shaman2 is 100% plugin-based |
| 19:07.57 | boom1992 | and all that new infrastructure and the new api needs lots of work |
| 19:08.01 | boom1992 | so I fear not |
| 19:08.07 | boom1992 | for the release after, for sure :) |
| 19:08.40 | sandsmark | if shaman has anything to say, it will be way ahead of adept, imho =) |
| 19:08.59 | pinotree | we have a proverb here: "don't provise the skin of the bear, before you actually killed it" |
| 19:09.14 | pinotree | *promise |
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| 19:09.34 | martijn81 | isn't adept an kubuntu only tool? |
| 19:09.39 | boom1992 | pinotree: sure, well shaman1 is out =) so we killed one bear already :P |
| 19:09.40 | sandsmark | debian too |
| 19:09.45 | martijn81 | :) |
| 19:09.50 | boom1992 | well it's an apt-frontend :) |
| 19:09.55 | boom1992 | so for all debian-based distros |
| 19:09.58 | pinotree | boom1992: you cannot say "for sure" about distro stuff. |
| 19:10.15 | pinotree | forget it, it's simply not feasible |
| 19:10.16 | boom1992 | pinotree: sure, I won't say that... |
| 19:10.58 | martijn81 | ok but that was my fault |
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| 19:11.56 | boom1992 | martijn81: btw #shaman-arch is the development-channel :) |
| 19:12.07 | martijn81 | http://shaman.iskremblien.com down? |
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| 19:12.48 | martijn81 | so it would only work in ark? |
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| 19:12.51 | boom1992 | martijn81: mmh sandsmark will know that |
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| 19:13.20 | martijn81 | arch i mean |
| 19:13.20 | boom1992 | martijn81: http://shaman.iskrembilen.com/site/ |
| 19:13.20 | boom1992 | iskremblien -> iskrembilen :) |
| 19:13.20 | pinotree | boom1992: see topic, please. |
| 19:13.20 | boom1992 | we need to buy a real domain |
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| 19:13.33 | boom1992 | sorry pinotree |
| 19:13.35 | boom1992 | hides |
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| 19:14.07 | pinotree | [this continuous archlinux spam here is becoming annoying] |
| 19:14.18 | martijn81 | sorry |
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| 19:14.27 | apt-drink | hi.. anyone knows the keyb accel to switch workspaces with kde4? ctrl+tab doesn't seem to work anymore........... |
| 19:16.30 | Phlogi | where can I disable those additional info window when I move over a window in the task manger in my panel |
| 19:16.32 | Phlogi | ? |
| 19:18.21 | Phlogi | apt-drink: you can set that in systemsettings |
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| 19:21.05 | apt-drink | Phlogi: done... it's just that i expected it to be default as usual... |
| 19:21.56 | Phlogi | hehe |
| 19:22.06 | Phlogi | did you understand what I mean? |
| 19:22.18 | Phlogi | those are like tooltips, but bigger |
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| 19:23.31 | Phlogi | thats what I mean: http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2843/blubbuv5.png , how can I disable that? |
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| 19:28.27 | engineer | from recently used to most used |
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| 19:31.23 | engineer | found it |
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| 19:31.36 | mslriv | Is this the place for help on compile kdebindings trunk |
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| 19:41.27 | shevy | is there any significant change in what a user can control/change from kcontrol between kde3 and kde4? |
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| 19:44.45 | apt-drink | shevy: actually.. i found out that i can't configure kdm with systemsettings :/ |
| 19:44.50 | apt-drink | there's no "administrator mode" button |
| 19:44.54 | apt-drink | or something like that |
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| 19:45.06 | apt-drink | (of course logging in as root i could do that, i guess) |
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| 20:08.38 | xanax` | hello |
| 20:08.45 | poon | hello |
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| 20:09.13 | xanax` | how can I know (in command line) if KDE 4 dev packages are installed ? |
| 20:09.27 | poon | :/ |
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| 20:10.03 | poon | I would check the tab in synaptic, but 'aptitude' could help |
| 20:10.21 | poon | i believe theres a dev tab in there, its console based. |
| 20:10.23 | pinotree | poon: ...assuming he uses debian, ubuntu or derivate |
| 20:10.30 | poon | indeed |
| 20:10.36 | xanax` | ubuntu yes |
| 20:10.43 | xanax` | kubuntu, I mean |
| 20:10.43 | pinotree | xanax`: #kubuntu-kde4 please |
| 20:10.53 | xanax` | ok, sorry |
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| 20:11.15 | poon | perhaps distro is a good first question to ask eh pinotree? :P |
| 20:11.29 | pinotree | poon: like what's written in the topic? |
| 20:11.48 | poon | sorry man, wasn't thinking >.> |
| 20:11.49 | shevy | who reads topics :P |
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| 20:44.35 | idem | Hello |
| 20:45.21 | kriko | heil! |
| 20:45.32 | endorphin | ïðèâåò |
| 20:45.41 | kriko | endorphin: your encoding? |
| 20:45.59 | elbeardmorez | hi, again. trying to run my 'new' kde3 svn build without fedora kde4 getting in the way.. ..could anyone tell me what keeps spawning kdeinit4? ..i'm testing the call to startkde(3) without a DM so it can;t be that.. and i've exported all the right env variables and cleaned old config dirs ..I seriously underestimated the sneakiness of kdeinit4! |
| 20:46.31 | kriko | elbeardmorez: it is probably your login manager |
| 20:46.38 | kriko | ask at FC channel |
| 20:46.40 | endorphin | utf-8 |
| 20:47.03 | kriko | endorphin: i see strange signs in previuos phrase |
| 20:48.05 | elbeardmorez | kriko: erm, I mentioned that It wasn't that. I'm not using one in this instance. |
| 20:48.25 | kriko | right! |
| 20:48.53 | endorphin | kriko: i'm russia |
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| 20:49.40 | kriko | ah I see now |
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| 20:50.57 | apt-drink | anyone knows if finally there is going to be only 1 RC? |
| 20:51.09 | idem | I have a .desktop files related question : what is the difference between /usr/share/mime and /usr/share/mimelnk ? |
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| 20:53.22 | Ace | Hi all |
| 20:53.29 | Ace | how do i enable spell check in konversation@ |
| 20:53.31 | Ace | ? |
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| 21:24.22 | kdepepo | yeah, but i am just back home, so I was wondering if I had a chance to see it up in a short, or if it went down the minute I was here :) |
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| 21:27.37 | anvo | How can I make K Menu to dock on the bottom left corner on my monitor? |
| 21:28.06 | anom01y | anyone here know anything about digital cameras ? |
| 21:28.14 | anom01y | I have two cameras, both kodak easyshares, one is a c330, the other is model c433 |
| 21:28.27 | luyt | I know how to take pictures with digital cameras |
| 21:28.27 | anom01y | the c330 works, the c433 does not work |
| 21:28.48 | anom01y | yeah digikam gives me a funky error when I try to use the c433 with it |
| 21:28.52 | anom01y | but the c330 works find |
| 21:28.54 | anom01y | fine |
| 21:28.59 | luyt | What is the exact error message? |
| 21:29.17 | anom01y | luyt: one sec |
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| 21:32.07 | Nyle | hi guys |
| 21:32.13 | Nyle | how is the world of kde 4? |
| 21:32.54 | luyt | I tried it yesterday |
| 21:33.17 | boom1992 | Nyle: pretty cool!:) |
| 21:33.38 | XanThaOs | Is it a bit less restrictive than 3.5? |
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| 21:34.05 | luyt | I could delete most Vista- and OSX wannabee things from it, yes |
| 21:34.42 | XanThaOs | Actually I'm wondering can you do multiple things with just one su? |
| 21:34.50 | XanThaOs | Or do you need to su every single command? |
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| 21:34.54 | XanThaOs | aggravating |
| 21:35.15 | luyt | su or sudo? |
| 21:35.19 | XanThaOs | su |
| 21:35.34 | luyt | usually you give a 'su -' command, which starts a new root shell. |
| 21:35.43 | luyt | When done with root thingies, you press Ctrl-D |
| 21:35.51 | luyt | and pop, you're back in your non-root shell. |
| 21:35.52 | XanThaOs | su, root pw, command, and the very next command it's telling you again you don't have permissions, until you su again |
| 21:36.08 | luyt | oh? That's not how it works at my place. |
| 21:37.18 | XanThaOs | I dunno if I might have setup something insanely high sec or what |
| 21:37.22 | XanThaOs | I've actually given up on su |
| 21:38.32 | luyt | Have you tried starting a 'Session/New Root Shell' from Konsole? |
| 21:38.57 | XanThaOs | I just ctl alt f2 and login root when I need root commands (those few I'm familiar with LOL) and if I need root stuff in KDE I logout and login root just barely long enough to rush through the stuff and then logout again... |
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| 21:39.05 | XanThaOs | I can try it real quick... |
| 21:39.23 | luyt | XanThaOs: Going to a different virtual console is a way, too. |
| 21:39.58 | XanThaOs | Have I got my securities set too high? |
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| 21:40.36 | luyt | I don't know what OS you're running, but usually there is root and the rest |
| 21:40.37 | XanThaOs | I mean OMG I'm the only of a few who use the system, and I am the root user (so to speak, I actually use my regular user all the time cept when I need something...) |
| 21:41.08 | luyt | And why do you think Windows users are plagued by malware and viruses, and we who use Unix, are not? |
| 21:41.42 | luyt | Did the Root Session in Konsole work? |
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| 21:42.29 | luyt | And may I suggest you give sudo a try? |
| 21:42.44 | Nyle | yes |
| 21:42.45 | Nyle | you may |
| 21:42.53 | Nyle | it is a good suggesstion |
| 21:43.09 | luyt | Would you suggest it too, then? |
| 21:43.12 | Nyle | yes |
| 21:43.14 | Nyle | yes I would |
| 21:43.17 | Nyle | very much so. |
| 21:43.18 | luyt | Excellent. |
| 21:43.21 | XanThaOs | true |
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| 21:43.29 | XanThaOs | yeppers, the root console works |
| 21:43.36 | luyt | Well, that's one. |
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| 21:44.32 | XanThaOs | I can appreciate that linux isn't plagued with crap, but I could stand to key in passwords once per need, not once per command line LOL... I actually like it though. I'd love to figure out how to get software and games that'll run on it |
| 21:44.51 | XanThaOs | wonder if it's more stable for games like it is for everything else? |
| 21:45.09 | luyt | XanThaOs: The way you describe how 'su' behaves on your system, isn't the normal behaviour. |
| 21:45.09 | \pub\bash0r | at least most errors doen't bringt down the whole system |
| 21:45.14 | \pub\bash0r | as long as no hardware is faulty |
| 21:45.17 | \pub\bash0r | (or a driver ....) |
| 21:45.37 | \pub\bash0r | at least its been some years since I saw the last kernel freeze |
| 21:45.46 | XanThaOs | I just gotta get my updates to work, I've got dependency resolution issues |
| 21:45.46 | \pub\bash0r | and that was on a 10 year old system which HD was about to crash |
| 21:46.14 | luyt | XanThaOs: Some flavours of unix are more prone to dependency problems than others |
| 21:46.29 | anvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.15 | luyt | eh, Panel Menu, Add Applet to panel? |
| 21:47.17 | \pub\bash0r | anvo: are you using kde 4 oder kde 3? |
| 21:47.26 | anvo | kde4 |
| 21:47.40 | \pub\bash0r | yep, then add a panel and a widget (the kmenu) to that one |
| 21:47.44 | \pub\bash0r | or move the existing panel |
| 21:47.47 | \pub\bash0r | or the existing widget |
| 21:47.49 | \pub\bash0r | whatever you like ;) |
| 21:47.58 | anvo | I tried all those! |
| 21:48.04 | anvo | Nothing works |
| 21:48.19 | anvo | It always docks on the bottom right corner! |
| 21:48.24 | anvo | I can |
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| 21:48.42 | anvo | I can't catch and move it with left button |
| 21:49.01 | anvo | When I click on it, the K Menu opens! |
| 21:49.06 | luyt | Does re-running 'kpersonalizer' maybe work? |
| 21:49.21 | XanThaOs | Running fc8 |
| 21:49.31 | anvo | Kpersonalizer...? |
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| 21:50.10 | luyt | yes, thats the first app that is run when you just installed KDE |
| 21:50.27 | luyt | it asks if KDE should resemble Windows, or OSX, or some other desktop system |
| 21:50.33 | luyt | and it sets up the menu bar for you |
| 21:50.43 | pinotree | there's no kpersonalizer in kde4 |
| 21:50.46 | luyt | (at least, that's what I think it does) |
| 21:50.51 | luyt | Ow |
| 21:51.06 | anvo | So...? |
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| 21:53.06 | XanThaOs | Gotta jet, I'll cyas laterz... |
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| 22:15.36 | Ace | stmiller|away: THANKYOU SO MUCH!!!! |
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| 22:23.17 | Syco54645 | hello, i was wondering if someone could tell me how to change the default program that a file opens with. |
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| 22:26.54 | andy__ | hi |
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| 22:31.41 | luyt | Syco: File associations in Konqueror Settings |
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| 22:39.32 | cYmen | i'd like to try the new nepomuk features |
| 22:39.37 | cYmen | i'm running ubuntu |
| 22:39.51 | cYmen | does anybody have a guide or howto on setting it up? |
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| 22:44.12 | Half-Left | cYmen: Just enable it in the the SystemSettings/Advanced |
| 22:44.37 | cYmen | mkay...so i'll try installing kde and find those systemsettings :) |
| 22:47.15 | cYmen | Half-Left: where under advanced? |
| 22:47.20 | cYmen | what's it called? |
| 22:47.32 | Half-Left | Nepomuk |
| 22:47.37 | cYmen | hm..not there |
| 22:47.47 | cYmen | in which package is that? |
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| 22:47.59 | Half-Left | Ask your distro channel |
| 22:48.53 | cYmen | #ubuntu? like you ever get an answer to anything beyond "where is my internet?" there :) |
| 22:50.04 | Half-Left | We only answer KDE questions and issues here |
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| 22:50.18 | Half-Left | Not package management issues |
| 22:50.42 | cYmen | Half-Left: fine :) |
| 22:50.46 | cYmen | thanks anyway :) |
| 22:51.13 | Half-Left | Since they spiit them up, try #kubuntu-kde4 |
| 22:51.42 | cYmen | uh...interesting |
| 22:51.43 | cYmen | thanks! |
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| 23:04.58 | diggernet | any KNetworkManager gurus in the house? |
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| 23:13.11 | andrewy | is there any way to tell kwin4 to start on only one display? |
| 23:13.50 | andrewy | I'm trying to run kde4 on 0.0 and openbox on 0.1, so I start openbox on 0.1 and then run startkde on 0.0, but kde is still somehow taking over .1 and sending most apps I start on it over to display 0.0 |
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| 23:15.35 | diggernet | this is way outta my league, but is it possible that the apps you are starting in 0.1 are just defaulting to 0.0, where kde is? |
| 23:16.30 | andrewy | diggernet: I'm not sure how, because it still happens even when I explicitly run DISPLAY=:0.1 pidgin |
| 23:16.36 | andrewy | for some reason terms start correctly though |
| 23:16.53 | diggernet | oh. well, that was my best guess. ;) |
| 23:17.02 | andrewy | hm, maybe it's just pidgin :s |
| 23:17.04 | andrewy | odd |
| 23:18.00 | cYmen | ok i'm back |
| 23:18.09 | cYmen | i seem to have everything installed |
| 23:18.19 | cYmen | but when i add tags/comments in dolphin they don't stick |
| 23:18.29 | cYmen | do i need some additional magic to get nepomuk working? |
| 23:18.56 | diggernet | andrewy: if it is just pidgin, it could be that pidgin's kde integration stuff is overriding DISPLAY |
| 23:19.35 | andrewy | yeah, I'll look into that, thanks |
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| 23:22.43 | cYmen | how do i move/resize panels? |
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| 23:23.15 | Ace | kde version? |
| 23:23.22 | cYmen | 4 |
| 23:24.08 | _genuser_ | KDE sucks. |
| 23:24.09 | _genuser_ | oh wait. |
| 23:24.17 | _genuser_ | KDE rocks.... jsut kidding. |
| 23:24.50 | nogagplz | what's your problem _genuser_ |
| 23:25.18 | shevy | he cant make up his mind |
| 23:25.49 | _genuser_ | nogagplz: nothing. It's a slow sunday afternoon. downloading something. and just wanted a little commotion. |
| 23:25.58 | _genuser_ | don't worry guys, running KDE4.0 currently. |
| 23:26.11 | TSK | KDE4 kinda sucks in a few ways, but I still hold out hope that it'll end up as fantastic as KDE3.5 is currently if I just give it enough time to mature. |
| 23:26.21 | cYmen | i accidentally deleted my taskbar now i want it back |
| 23:26.30 | cYmen | when i create a new panel it s always at the top of the screen |
| 23:26.33 | cYmen | how do i get it down :) |
| 23:26.50 | _genuser_ | true kde3.5 is what really convinced me to give it a fair shot. But then screenshots of 4.0 convinced me to run it fulltime. |
| 23:27.14 | _genuser_ | cYmen: right-click, panel settings |
| 23:27.29 | cYmen | then what? |
| 23:27.30 | _genuser_ | cYmen: Location. |
| 23:27.44 | cYmen | location? |
| 23:27.52 | cYmen | there is no such setting..i mean...huh? |
| 23:28.12 | _genuser_ | cYmen: ok, running 4.0. Mine shows size and Location as two things that are changeable. |
| 23:28.22 | TSK | KDE3.5 is still the best desktop there is on any platform for the time being. I look forward to KDE4 reaching that level of perfection. :) |
| 23:28.39 | cYmen | mine shows 3 buttons for alignment and 2 buttons for widgets and 1 to delete the panel |
| 23:29.07 | _genuser_ | cYmen: ok. alignment should be the one then. |
| 23:29.24 | cYmen | there s only left middle right :) |
| 23:29.32 | nogagplz | KDE 3.5 is nice, i just wish they had configuration options that are hidden from clear view not hidden from clear view >> |
| 23:29.41 | _genuser_ | TSK: that will take time. I like many different WMs. right tool for right time. |
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| 23:31.12 | TSK | KDE4 has the potential to be downright amazing, given the time to mature more. It's just sad that so many distros are treating it like it's ready for daily use and ditching 3.5 in favor of it. :( |
| 23:31.17 | cYmen | i'd still like to know how to get nepomuk to save the modifications i make |
| 23:31.21 | cYmen | and how to move the panel |
| 23:31.23 | cYmen | and... |
| 23:31.43 | mikenoobss | kde slab type menu going to be in the stable release? |
| 23:33.37 | _genuser_ | TSK: heck, I've don't have any 3.5 on this system. :) KDE4.0 is fine. Although, you are right. I'll still have XFCE for fallback. |
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| 23:35.32 | TSK | Sadly, on my KDE4 Amarok crashes after about 20 seconds of playback and my distro has broken KDE3 Amarok in their rush to get KDE4 shoved down everyone's throats. :( |
| 23:36.39 | _genuser_ | TSK: what distro? |
| 23:36.43 | TSK | That's only one example. K3B refuses to burn discs in KDE4, yet the KDE3 K3B burns flawlessly. |
| 23:37.01 | TSK | Mandriva |
| 23:37.01 | _genuser_ | TSK: redhat based? |
| 23:37.02 | TSK | Indeed |
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| 23:37.10 | _genuser_ | hmmm |
| 23:37.35 | _genuser_ | TSK: using gentoo. |
| 23:37.55 | _genuser_ | TSK: and then only debian based... not much experience with redhat based distros... |
| 23:38.04 | _genuser_ | TSK: well Fedora, but not long enough. |
| 23:38.32 | _genuser_ | at least k3b runs on KDE4. will have to try and burn something.... |
| 23:39.02 | TSK | I'm about half ready to start distro-surfing again looking for one that gives a bit more choice. I like KDE4, but for day to day work I gotta have my KDE3.5 still until KDE4 matures a bit more. |
| 23:39.35 | _genuser_ | TSK: does Mandriva allow to have both SxS? |
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| 23:40.16 | TSK | I've got KDE3.5 and KDE4 both installed, but KDE3.5 is getting more and more broken as time goes by while they focus all their efforts on KDE4. |
| 23:40.42 | _genuser_ | TSK: oh, see the point. As you do more updates, more packages get installd that are broken? |
| 23:40.50 | TSK | Indeed |
| 23:41.06 | shade | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.16 | TSK | Currently the main one that bothers me is the total lack of Amarok. Sux to work in silence. :) |
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| 23:41.23 | _genuser_ | TSK: yeah that's tough beans. Have the same issue with a few things but mostly gentoo's got nice side x side installation stuff. |
| 23:41.38 | shade | hwo to unlogin user form kde sesion from command line? |
| 23:41.38 | _genuser_ | TSK: maybe mplayer for the time being. |
| 23:41.49 | _genuser_ | TSK: my main player is mplayer and never need another.... |
| 23:41.53 | aseigo | TSK: mandriva doesn't ship amarok? |
| 23:42.07 | aseigo | finds that mildly hard to believe |
| 23:42.12 | shade | _genuser_: X side? emerge kde and what to be nicer, just wait and run it |
| 23:42.28 | pinotree | shade: kde3? dcop ksmserver ksmserver logout 0 0 0 |
| 23:42.33 | TSK | aseigo: Indeed they do, but the KDE3 one lacks kjsembed and therefore will not install, and the KDE4 one crashes after about 20 seconds of playback. |
| 23:42.34 | shade | ooo |
| 23:42.40 | pinotree | (executed as user logged in, of course) |
| 23:42.41 | shade | pinotree: thx |
| 23:42.50 | shade | pinotree: yep 3 |
| 23:42.59 | shade | gives can of beer for pinotree |
| 23:43.01 | aseigo | TSK: kjsembed is part of kdelibs |
| 23:43.20 | pinotree | would prefer chocolate, as he does not drink beer |
| 23:43.23 | _genuser_ | shade: running it just fine. No issues.... |
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| 23:45.05 | andrewy | hm, I have a decent cpu and video card but even moving windows around in kde4 rc1 is a little laggy (if I move them quickly I can see the trail). is there anything I should be enabling to speed it up, like AddARGBGLXVisuals? |
| 23:45.58 | TSK | I've noticed that the wobbly windows plugin wobbles the windows, but does not wobble the shadows from the window shadows plugin in KDE4 |
| 23:46.32 | TSK | Is that intentional? Is there no interaction between the two? |
| 23:47.29 | _genuser_ | yeah probably XRender is slower than opengl. Cant' get opengl to work, so not sure. |
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| 23:48.30 | TSK | has OpenGL working nicely on his machine. nVidia hardware. The KDE4 effects seem to work pretty smoothly overall for me. |
| 23:49.40 | _genuser_ | TSK: yeah for compiz-fusion the opengl dri really works great. So KDE should as well. Just didn't feel like debugging. Main issue wtih KDE is that you can't just compile kdelibs and run. |
| 23:50.07 | _genuser_ | TSK: you gotta have the correct Qt ver. Then the kdelib stuff should be recompiled. Then the KDE stuff should be recompiled. slight it ok for now. :) |
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| 23:55.12 | TSK | Okay, I've gotten Amarok 2 to play a song. Now let's see if it'll survive long enough to get to another song. :) |
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| 23:56.39 | TSK | Another thing I miss from KDE3.5 in 4 is the taskbar used to be able to be set to show only windows on the current desktop, where the KDE4 taskbar thus far seems to have no such setting available and by default shows windows on ALL desktops. |
| 23:56.53 | kenami | thinks is adictive |
| 23:57.01 | kenami | thinks chocolate is adictive |
| 23:57.20 | _genuser_ | TSK: I got that fixed. There's a weird setting. I found while going thru the menus.... |
| 23:57.36 | _genuser_ | TSK: but you can set it to show only for curent desktop. |
| 23:57.41 | TSK | Bah. Amarok went to change to the next song and immediately crashed. :( |
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| 23:58.52 | TSK | I guess it's improving. It lasts longer than 20 seconds now. :-/ |
| 23:59.03 | _genuser_ | TSK: mplayer mplayer.... |
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