| 00:00.30 | DrSlony | Help > About KDE |
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| 00:12.22 | kdepepo | PPKuma, you need package kdebase-workspace-dev |
| 00:12.28 | Battousai | getting some really interesting screenshots out of those n810s |
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| 00:16.10 | killown | hey is there anyway to start an app with shortcut for window such as kstart --shortcut app ...? |
| 00:16.25 | kdepepo | PPKuma, and if you want the KDE 4 version of Polyester, you need polyester 2.0 beta, not polyester 1.0.4 |
| 00:17.36 | killown | window special app conf does not work after app restart :/ |
| 00:20.08 | DrSlony | I know that the kdenlive package was ported to KDE4 and runs nicely, can anyone tell me how to install it while using KDE3? I use Gentoo, I'd like to stick to portage if possible. |
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| 00:20.39 | pinotree | DrSlony: question for #gentoo-kde i'd say |
| 00:22.23 | DrSlony | thx |
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| 00:27.54 | killown | can anyone help me? |
| 00:29.29 | killown | I would like assimilate a shortcut to any window on command line |
| 00:30.01 | killown | kstart does not has any option to set window shortcut |
| 00:30.19 | drantin | "start an app with shortcut for window" <-- I don't understand what this means... |
| 00:30.39 | drantin | "assimilate a shortcut to any window on command line" <-- this makes no sense either |
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| 00:35.48 | killown | drantin, right mouse buttom under window > advanced > window shortcurt do you remember anything? |
| 00:35.51 | killown | ¬¬ |
| 00:35.57 | killown | make sense now? |
| 00:36.57 | drantin | possibly, once you say where the first "window >" is at... |
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| 00:39.03 | killown | kstart -skiptaskbar firefox does hide firefox from taskbar I would like such as kstart --shortcut alt+1 firefox |
| 00:39.09 | DrSlony | I think he means rightclick on the titlebar > advanced > window shortcut |
| 00:40.01 | killown | DrSlony, yes |
| 00:40.11 | DrSlony | killown I dont knwo anything about that, cant help, sorry |
| 00:40.20 | killown | ok |
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| 00:41.27 | drantin | you want to set a keyboard shortcut to start an app with -skiptaskbar? |
| 00:42.55 | killown | drantin, the question's there is any command line mode app to set kdeyboard shortcut for any window? |
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| 00:50.16 | killown | Iâve found a solution.. by |
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| 01:06.51 | concernedcitizen | HAI |
| 01:06.56 | concernedcitizen | oops wrong channel |
| 01:07.35 | g2g591 | what? you cant say hi here too ? XD |
| 01:08.38 | shadok | "hi" is not kde related afaik :) |
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| 01:16.34 | killown | How I do to reload any saved session without restart kde? |
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| 01:17.52 | rpag | When I press alt + f2 the "execute program" application doesnt appear |
| 01:18.02 | rpag | It was working earlier but just stopped working recently |
| 01:18.47 | rpag | I get this error : QStringList Solid::Backends::Hal::HalManager::findDeviceByDeviceInterface(constSolid::DeviceInterface::Type&) error: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected" |
| 01:18.56 | rpag | When I try to run it from the command prompt |
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| 02:07.36 | lilltiger | rpag: sounds like the dbus deamon crashed |
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| 02:11.53 | Shirakawasuna | where is plasmoid information/settings stored? My post-it note plasmoids just disappeared and I'd like to know if there's a chance of recovery :/ |
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| 02:20.50 | rudoolph | anyone have compiled recently amarok from svn, because have an error about last_fm |
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| 02:21.38 | carranca | hi, im having problems either with hal or kde media detector... ive updated hal recently and had to change the dvdrom because it wasnt being recognized correctly (in the bios level). So after I installed the new drive it worked correctly, but it is called /dev/cdrom2 (the 2 part is strange) and it is recognized by mediadetector. The problem lies for example with my ipod that isnt recognized by media detector (i can manually mount |
| 02:21.42 | carranca | it). |
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| 02:26.12 | Ark1 | hoew do i search by line number in kde? |
| 02:26.21 | Ark1 | kwrite |
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| 02:29.32 | Jucato | search by line number? |
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| 02:37.48 | guy__ | I'm using kde 4 |
| 02:39.16 | rizvan | pinotree, kdesu is working now in 4.2svn :) Just in a day it got fixed... |
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| 02:51.39 | Ficthe | hi - maybe a bit off-topic, but I'll try it anyway: in Amarok, I keep getting that annoying pop-up of "current song playing" - how do I disable that? |
| 02:52.23 | shadok | Ficthe: look for "OSD" in amarok's settings and disable it |
| 02:54.27 | Ficthe | shadok: yes! thank you |
| 02:54.35 | shadok | no problem :) |
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| 03:24.36 | lilltiger | grr! |
| 03:24.55 | lilltiger | new nvidia driver and they still havent fixed the resize issue in kde4! |
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| 03:26.25 | Wee | well, they better by december - since that's aboutwhen the stable 4 is expected, I guess--when I'll be upgrading :) |
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| 03:28.02 | lilltiger | yhee they said that the next 177 driver will fix the scrolling |
| 03:28.09 | lilltiger | err resizing |
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| 04:52.23 | bobgill | Is there some other step to having systemsettings colour schemes apply to KDE apps when not using KDE (I use plain fluxbox session)? Previously w/kcontrol it was hit Apply but now amarok does not change its appearance at all |
| 04:54.51 | Jucato | what version of amarok are you using? |
| 04:57.58 | bobgill | Jucato: 1.4.9 |
| 04:58.35 | Jucato | I'm presuming your systemsettings is KDE 4, in which case it would not affect KDE 3 apps, such as Amarok 1.x |
| 04:59.08 | bobgill | Ah, I see |
| 05:01.10 | bobgill | I will install amarok2 alpha and see how she does |
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| 05:02.35 | bobgill | Also, Opera would adhere to the kcontrol appearance settings but doesn't now either.. am using 9.51, is its appearance handled with other means? |
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| 05:03.46 | ggg333 | Hi... do we have any documents on installing kde4+plasma in centos |
| 05:04.14 | ggg333 | i googled... but not able to find any vaulble links for the same |
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| 05:07.21 | victo1 | couldn't do it, couldn't make an ad-hoc connection |
| 05:08.22 | victo1 | anyone know how to do it twixt a windowz laptop and a linux machine? |
| 05:08.47 | Che-Anarc | Anyone know where I can get more KDE themes from?... I'd like to have something like aqua. |
| 05:09.05 | victo1 | I'll be right back |
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| 05:12.29 | ggg333 | victo1: did you try kde-look |
| 05:12.39 | victo1 | no, I'll try |
| 05:12.48 | ggg333 | victo1: try that out |
| 05:13.14 | victo1 | guess I don't have it |
| 05:13.41 | bobgill | Che-Anarc: try kde-look.org |
| 05:13.54 | victo1 | :) oh, ok |
| 05:14.43 | victo1 | sry, not ad-hoc wireless help |
| 05:15.43 | ggg333 | anyone tried installing kde4+plasma in centos5 |
| 05:16.15 | Che-Anarc | Where does ksynaptics go after I have installed it? |
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| 06:48.57 | sorteal | That's an odd exit msg lol |
| 06:49.14 | sorteal | Who the hell is Ricky Astley lmao |
| 06:52.12 | jazka | sorteal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Astley#Rickroll_internet_phenomenon |
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| 06:52.54 | sorteal | lol oh okay thanks |
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| 06:53.59 | sorteal | lol now I'm kinda sad I asked lol |
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| 06:55.48 | thiago_home | you've never been rickrolled? |
| 06:56.06 | sorteal | WHAT? that sounds dirty lol |
| 06:56.20 | Sput | Oo |
| 06:57.02 | thiago_home | it happens like this: |
| 06:57.06 | thiago_home | people are talking |
| 06:57.21 | sorteal | I'm American so this is the first time I've heard of the man |
| 06:57.26 | thiago_home | then someone posts a link on the internet, saying "cool, have you seen this IBM ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edaJP3Lp0Gg" |
| 06:57.30 | thiago_home | and then you go and click |
| 06:57.34 | Sput | but everybody got rickrolled at least once! |
| 06:57.34 | wally345 | kbluetooth-monitor can not find my bt-headset but pair it, why it is not visible ? |
| 06:57.43 | sorteal | Not me lol |
| 06:57.50 | thiago_home | sorteal: click that link |
| 06:57.59 | sorteal | NO I'm scared lol |
| 06:58.07 | thiago_home | don't worry. It's office-safe. |
| 06:58.19 | sorteal | Not sure I want to be "rickrolled" lol |
| 06:58.24 | luke-jr | thiago_home: "Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player." |
| 06:58.27 | Sput | not necessarily safe for mental health though |
| 06:58.34 | thiago_home | yeah |
| 06:58.44 | sorteal | Oh okay (damn peer pressure) |
| 06:58.59 | luke-jr | has reverse-peer pressure |
| 06:59.12 | luke-jr | more people do/support it = me avoids me |
| 06:59.15 | luke-jr | avoids it* |
| 06:59.50 | sorteal | Lol I like "me avoids me" better |
| 07:00.05 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 07:00.29 | luke-jr | so is rickrolling supposed to support or mock this Rick guy? |
| 07:00.50 | thiago_home | no |
| 07:00.55 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 07:00.59 | thiago_home | it's supposed to trick people into clicking the link to the video |
| 07:01.21 | luke-jr | but why? |
| 07:01.35 | drantin | why does /b/ exist? |
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| 07:02.01 | luke-jr | rickrolls #anime |
| 07:02.07 | Sput | great |
| 07:02.10 | Sput | I just lost The Game |
| 07:02.11 | Sput | -_- |
| 07:02.44 | XenThraL | you must shout! |
| 07:02.48 | XenThraL | fuck |
| 07:02.52 | XenThraL | I just lost The Game |
| 07:03.41 | luke-jr | guess you're dead then, huh? |
| 07:03.51 | Sput | no, just lost The Game |
| 07:04.10 | luke-jr | The Game of Life? |
| 07:04.31 | Sput | thinks some internet memes should be more widespread :p |
| 07:04.34 | Sput | http://www.losethegame.com/ |
| 07:04.45 | luke-jr | No plugin found for 'Shockwave Flash file'. |
| 07:04.45 | luke-jr | Do you want to download one from www.macromedia.com? |
| 07:04.52 | XenThraL | Sput: ninjas have kidnapped the president |
| 07:04.55 | Sput | oh they use flash too? |
| 07:04.56 | Sput | meh |
| 07:04.57 | XenThraL | are you a bad enough dude? |
| 07:05.10 | blauzahl | luke-jr: that means you don't have flash installed so that your browser can use it. |
| 07:05.17 | luke-jr | blauzahl: no duh ⺠|
| 07:05.18 | blauzahl | is flash installed? |
| 07:05.37 | luke-jr | heck no |
| 07:05.44 | blauzahl | ah. ok |
| 07:05.54 | blauzahl | sounds like you don't want it to be :) |
| 07:06.02 | luke-jr | of course not |
| 07:06.08 | jazka | -_- |
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| 07:06.57 | lilltiger | Wohoooo! finaly kde 4.1 works with an geforce 8/9 |
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| 07:07.12 | drantin | finale or finally? |
| 07:07.21 | lilltiger | finally |
| 07:07.27 | lilltiger | i guess.. |
| 07:07.31 | lilltiger | at last.. |
| 07:07.37 | jazka | yea and the latest betas introduced some text corruption problems |
| 07:07.38 | thiago_home | I upgraded to 177.67 yesterday |
| 07:07.39 | jazka | atleast for me |
| 07:07.44 | jazka | .68 out |
| 07:07.46 | thiago_home | and I introduced a problem I didn't have |
| 07:07.50 | lilltiger | jazka: 7 series card? |
| 07:07.51 | thiago_home | windows show up invisible or black |
| 07:07.53 | jazka | lilltiger: yes |
| 07:08.04 | thiago_home | I don't know now which of my several changes caused that |
| 07:08.19 | lilltiger | jazka: but for 7 series the older drivers should work ok |
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| 07:08.32 | lilltiger | thiago_home: upgrade again |
| 07:08.52 | jazka | lilltiger: yea but window resizing is still laggy |
| 07:08.53 | lilltiger | thiago_home: .68 is out .67 was quite buggy |
| 07:09.14 | lilltiger | jazka: yes next 177 will adress that |
| 07:09.39 | lilltiger | jazka: .68 have fixed some of the text corruption for the 7 series card, check em out |
| 07:10.00 | jazka | I've already updated |
| 07:10.04 | jazka | and I still get it |
| 07:10.42 | lilltiger | ok :( |
| 07:11.10 | lilltiger | i get ok performance with desktop effects+xrandr1.2 |
| 07:11.22 | lilltiger | and with opengl it's working great |
| 07:11.28 | lilltiger | eaven window resizing |
| 07:11.43 | jazka | everything else is smooth for me, except window resizing, it's so laggy |
| 07:11.46 | thiago_home | lilltiger: ok, I'll upgrade |
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| 07:12.33 | lilltiger | jazka: mmm, ipp or if it's gylph isent avaible on the 7 series |
| 07:13.09 | jazka | nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 makes the text even moer corrupted |
| 07:13.42 | bedahr | hi! is there some kind of starting point for porting a qt4 app to a kde4 app? some pointers for coding style / build system / etc.? |
| 07:14.18 | lilltiger | jazka: hopefully they will fix that soon as well |
| 07:14.22 | jazka | lilltiger: yea |
| 07:14.34 | jazka | it should be as smooth as moving windows around ^^ |
| 07:15.10 | lilltiger | hmm looks like there is an "bug" in wobbly windows.. the shadow dosent wobble with it |
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| 07:17.23 | lilltiger | wobbling an transparent dragon player window while playing i movie drops the fps from 50(nsync) to 4-1-45 |
| 07:19.05 | lilltiger | kwin goes up to 50% cpu.. but still alot better then erlier |
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| 07:21.30 | Zarin | lilltiger, wobbly/shadow thing is being fixed |
| 07:21.38 | Zarin | lilltiger, do you have vsync enabled? |
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| 07:22.37 | Zarin | Disable it if it is |
| 07:22.42 | lilltiger | Zarin: i had nvidia vsync enabled.. but niticed tearing, so i enabled the vsync in the kde settings and eremoved them from nvidia settings |
| 07:22.56 | Zarin | System settings -> Desktop -> Desktop Effects -> Advanced |
| 07:23.02 | lilltiger | increased the fps to 60 and no tearing |
| 07:24.04 | Zarin | Unfortunately KWin's CPU usage is exponentially proportionate to framerate :( |
| 07:24.33 | Zarin | Raising from 50 to 60 on my systems makes it go from 2% to 30% |
| 07:24.46 | lilltiger | cpu usaged at 20% when moving around transparent video |
| 07:25.07 | lilltiger | 18% when idle |
| 07:25.13 | Zarin | Is that with Vsync enabled? |
| 07:25.18 | lilltiger | yes |
| 07:25.44 | jazka | 0% here when idle |
| 07:25.47 | Zarin | Disable it completely and the CPU problem will stop, but tearing will appear |
| 07:25.47 | jazka | and vsync enabled |
| 07:25.53 | lilltiger | 4% idel without |
| 07:26.04 | Zarin | jazka, which CPU? |
| 07:26.22 | jazka | core 2 quad |
| 07:26.23 | lilltiger | 22% when wobbling |
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| 07:26.45 | jazka | q6600 |
| 07:27.04 | lilltiger | jazka: i guess you dont have desktop effects and playing transparent video when you get 0% cpu of kwin |
| 07:27.24 | lilltiger | or wait you dident have an 8/9 series card either :p |
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| 07:27.27 | lilltiger | so.. |
| 07:27.28 | jazka | I have opengl desktop effects, vsync...not video playing tho |
| 07:27.40 | jazka | yea |
| 07:28.05 | lilltiger | i also have an q6600@3.51GHz water cooled |
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| 07:28.16 | harej | what is your opinion of a merger with gnome? |
| 07:28.27 | Zarin | Hmm, forgot I upgraded my syste.... Eh what? |
| 07:28.30 | Zarin | Merge with Gnome? O_o |
| 07:28.32 | jazka | now I have smplayer playing a video trasnparent |
| 07:28.52 | lilltiger | harej: very bad, will cripple the creativity in the oss DM world |
| 07:28.53 | jazka | kwin uses 4% of cpu |
| 07:29.34 | Zarin | The philosophies of KDE and Gnome are completely different harej, it's impossible to merge them |
| 07:29.34 | Jucato | smells flamebait |
| 07:29.36 | lilltiger | jazka: sounds about right (not as much isses with 7 series as with 8/9 series |
| 07:29.43 | Zarin | Jucato, :) |
| 07:29.43 | jazka | yup |
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| 07:30.10 | lilltiger | the gnome project have lead to great improvments in kde |
| 07:30.12 | jazka | and well, mythtv livetv running on my second screen, but it's dual head, openbox |
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| 07:30.22 | harej | Jucato, I guess you could say that, but moreso I asked out of curiosity. It's something I thought up of and I have therefore asked for your input. |
| 07:31.01 | Jucato | harej: then you'll probably be happy to know that you can actually google for it and you'll find tons and tons of discussion about it since the day KDE and GNOME was born :) |
| 07:31.03 | Jucato | happy searching |
| 07:31.12 | lilltiger | ;D |
| 07:31.31 | lilltiger | GB of irc logs about gnome vs kde :) |
| 07:31.39 | Zarin | Gnome is a DE made to be simple and rely only on "true" OSS libraries, KDE is to make a power-users DE using whatever technology is best, even if it's not "true" OSS |
| 07:31.44 | harej | oh I'm not talking about gnome vs. kde, but gnome PLUS kde |
| 07:31.54 | drantin | how is it not true OSS? |
| 07:32.02 | Zarin | Because Qt is owned by Nokie |
| 07:32.03 | Zarin | a |
| 07:32.12 | Jucato | *cough* |
| 07:32.16 | drantin | ...how do the owners make a difference? |
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| 07:32.26 | Zarin | It doesn't |
| 07:32.33 | Zarin | But some people of the FSF think it does |
| 07:32.42 | Zarin | And thus don't want anything to do with them |
| 07:32.58 | lilltiger | IBM+Sun+Novell owns halfe the oss world ;D |
| 07:32.59 | Jucato | Zarin: plese do get your history a bit straight first |
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| 07:33.07 | Jucato | but that said, this is not the place for such discussions |
| 07:33.42 | Jucato | if I was too subtle, that's what I hinted above, "end of discussion" |
| 07:33.58 | lilltiger | ;p |
| 07:33.59 | Jucato | (feel free to dish it out in #kde-chat if you wish) |
| 07:34.06 | harej | anyways thank you for your response |
| 07:34.13 | harej | awaits a response from the folks in ##gnome |
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| 07:36.38 | root | hi problem in kdelibs compilation |
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| 07:36.53 | zlinux_ | hi |
| 07:37.00 | Guest36535 | hi |
| 07:37.00 | zlinux_ | seems my kicker has broken |
| 07:37.03 | zlinux_ | how to start it again? |
| 07:37.59 | zlinux_ | i wrote, kicker and it worked |
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| 07:38.14 | Guest36535 | please help me in kdelibs pcre error |
| 07:39.33 | drantin | Jucato: what was that kde talk channel? |
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| 07:40.06 | Jucato | drantin: #kde-chat? |
| 07:40.10 | Jucato | (without the ?) |
| 07:40.16 | drantin | that was it |
| 07:40.17 | drantin | thanks |
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| 07:42.14 | thiago | lilltiger: can't see 68 |
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| 07:43.17 | Burps | Hi, using KDE 3.5.5 (stable etch debian), nvidia, twinview : is it possible to have the taskabr on both screen the same, not an extended taskbar ? |
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| 07:43.31 | lilltiger | thiago: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118244 |
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| 07:43.58 | lilltiger | thiago: the links, given there change em to http insted of ftp and they will work |
| 07:45.03 | thiago | out of disk space again |
| 07:45.07 | thiago | kio_imap runaway |
| 07:45.16 | tiziano | does anyone have this error while updating kdesupport ? http://rafb.net/p/LP9bOI19.html |
| 07:46.18 | lilltiger | thiago: out of space is horrible.. esp if you starts an update.. hehe |
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| 07:46.49 | thiago | it screwed up my KMail |
| 07:46.58 | thiago | I have to reconfigure all my folders now |
| 07:48.11 | lilltiger | linux lacks good protection for out of space. esp if one is running an xfs filesystem |
| 07:48.24 | thiago | reiser3 here |
| 07:48.39 | drantin | ...it has protection on other FSes... |
| 07:48.51 | thiago | which protection? |
| 07:49.03 | drantin | reserving space for root |
| 07:49.14 | thiago | that's not protection |
| 07:49.21 | lilltiger | dosent help when root is upgrading the system :p |
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| 07:49.38 | thiago | it doesn't help when my user runs out of space either |
| 07:49.40 | drantin | well then, what does have that kind of support? |
| 07:49.59 | thiago | rebuilding driver... |
| 07:50.16 | Sput | thinks it'd be a nice protection feature if a new hdd magically appeared if the existing runs out of space :p |
| 07:50.18 | lilltiger | windows is pretty good at warning wirh space is runing low and dosent loos data as easy |
| 07:50.27 | thiago | wouldn't have helped either |
| 07:50.35 | thiago | it happened overnight |
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| 07:51.10 | drantin | "dosent loos data as easy" O RLY? |
| 07:51.10 | lilltiger | i know.. had i server totaaly die of swapping cos out of diskspace (was like that for a whole summer) hehe killed both harddrives in the raided system :) |
| 07:51.35 | thiago | installing driver... |
| 07:51.48 | thiago | dkms building driver |
| 07:51.57 | lilltiger | drantin: mmm, the *nix fs:es acts horrible when out of space.. :( |
| 07:52.31 | drantin | and NTFS and FAT32 don't? |
| 07:52.31 | thiago | dkms installing driver |
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| 07:52.34 | lilltiger | thiago: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=46678 << also add these "fixes" |
| 07:52.35 | thiago | done |
| 07:52.48 | thiago | ok |
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| 07:53.03 | lilltiger | lol wrong post i think |
| 07:53.15 | drantin | I run out of space fairly frequently on my HD actually, only problem has been deciding what to delete... |
| 07:53.16 | lilltiger | sorry |
| 07:53.23 | thiago | yeah, thought so :-) |
| 07:53.35 | lilltiger | bah and konqi crashed |
| 07:53.43 | thiago | session restoration |
| 07:53.51 | lilltiger | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118088 |
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| 07:54.10 | thiago | add those options where? |
| 07:54.14 | lilltiger | naa it froze, was nsplugin.. what eate all cpu just killed it |
| 07:54.16 | thiago | in the Screen section? |
| 07:54.20 | lilltiger | device |
| 07:54.31 | lilltiger | i think thats what i did :) |
| 07:54.56 | thiago | puts them in both |
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| 07:55.18 | thiago | restarting X |
| 07:55.19 | thiago | brb |
| 07:56.26 | bushidoman | how to install screensaver in kde4 ?? |
| 07:56.39 | thiago | lilltiger: it's the Screen section |
| 07:56.48 | lilltiger | ahh then ill add it and restart :) |
| 07:56.54 | lilltiger | see if it works eaven better |
| 07:57.16 | thiago | brb |
| 07:58.29 | lilltiger | brb |
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| 08:00.16 | Guest36535 | hi |
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| 08:00.44 | thiago | ok, back |
| 08:00.49 | thiago | let's see now... |
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| 08:03.03 | thiago | lilltiger: feels much snappier now |
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| 08:03.26 | dumboo | #fedora |
| 08:03.57 | lilltiger | thiago: indeed |
| 08:04.17 | bushidoman | anyone know how to install new screensaver in kde4 ?? |
| 08:04.43 | thiago | bushidoman: which new screensaver? |
| 08:05.07 | Murray_B | Hi! |
| 08:05.14 | lilltiger | hmm but kwin uses alot more cpu now when i moved the settings to the screen section |
| 08:05.32 | thiago | is it constantly using CPU: |
| 08:05.32 | thiago | ? |
| 08:05.41 | lilltiger | yes :( |
| 08:05.45 | thiago | over 20%? |
| 08:05.55 | lilltiger | 50-90% |
| 08:05.57 | thiago | ok |
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| 08:06.10 | thiago | put in your script that launches startkde (or in startkde itself): |
| 08:06.13 | thiago | export QT_NO_GLIB=1 |
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| 08:06.22 | thiago | you'll have to use the Xine backend in Phonon |
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| 08:07.17 | thiago | still getting black windows... |
| 08:07.37 | Murray_B | lilltiger: maybe you should deactivate vsync at the composition-options, that decreases kwin from 775% to 4% cpu... |
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| 08:08.00 | lilltiger | Murray_B: i cant stand tearing :på |
| 08:09.13 | Murray_B | lilltiger: 75% to 4%, sorry. |
| 08:10.41 | lilltiger | Murray_B: i know it helps.. but strange thing is that i got worse performance when i activated some of the tweeks that is supposed to improve |
| 08:11.52 | lilltiger | brb |
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| 08:13.31 | bushidoman | thiago : i've download from kde-look.org |
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| 08:14.11 | thiago | bushidoman: follow the instructions there |
| 08:14.43 | hyper_ch | hmmm.... I am just wondering why I get all those Ign at the Translation-en_US --> http://phpfi.com/346160 |
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| 08:15.00 | lilltiger | thiago: I actually got alot better performance when not using the settings in xorg |
| 08:15.04 | t_[^^]Z | I've just installed kde on arch linux how do I start it? |
| 08:15.15 | thiago | t_[^^]Z: ask in #archlinux |
| 08:15.29 | lilltiger | kwin is at 1% now (added export QT_NO_GLIB=1 and removed the xorg settings) |
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| 08:17.04 | lilltiger | when wobbling transparent window cpu usage is at 7-14% |
| 08:17.09 | lilltiger | ide 1% |
| 08:17.12 | lilltiger | idle |
| 08:19.13 | lilltiger | thiago: try removing the options from xorg and see if you get better performance then as well, right now it's working perfect for me (gf8800 GTS 512) |
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| 08:20.55 | thiago | it's working just fine for me |
| 08:20.58 | thiago | except for the black windows |
| 08:21.09 | lilltiger | black windows? |
| 08:21.11 | thiago | yes |
| 08:21.17 | thiago | some windows appear completely black |
| 08:21.20 | thiago | including window decorations |
| 08:22.00 | thiago | makes work impossible |
| 08:22.42 | lilltiger | how strange |
| 08:23.27 | lilltiger | well try to remove thoes options, might be causing it.. for my without om (but with the nvidia-settings stuff) it works super now |
| 08:23.51 | thiago | I'll have to wait for IMAP to sync first |
| 08:24.24 | lilltiger | hmm but dolphin crashes |
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| 08:24.57 | lilltiger | hmm seems to be an nepomuk issue |
| 08:25.35 | thiago | I guess I can do without work for an hour or two |
| 08:25.47 | lilltiger | hehe |
| 08:26.15 | sandsmark | hmm, a friend of mine gets no popup showing the current window when alt-tabbing, is this known behaviour? |
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| 08:28.38 | piXelshooter | I have a problem with Konsole: Is it possible to make the console wider than my screen, so that I can scroll? The only possibility I found is to resize the window and moving it, but I only get 288 columns that way, and it's also not very nice. Is horizontal scrolling possible with Konsole? |
| 08:28.59 | p3sho | Hello! I've made a window behavior rule that forces all my Skype windows to Desktop 3. How can I make KDE switch to Desktop 3 when I open the skype window? |
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| 08:29.35 | flo_ | hi! Anybody experiences with keeping .kde settings in version control on a server? |
| 08:30.02 | flo_ | to keep it sync on several boxes |
| 08:31.12 | thiago | don't do that |
| 08:31.14 | thiago | use LDAP |
| 08:32.19 | flo_ | thiago: LDAP? isnt it only for user authentiffication? |
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| 08:32.31 | sandsmark | no |
| 08:32.46 | thiago | for storing settings too |
| 08:33.08 | GNU\colossus | thiago: is that officially supported by KDE? |
| 08:33.21 | GNU\colossus | or does it require serious hacking? |
| 08:33.37 | sandsmark | ldap can also be used for authentication, but it can also be used to store for example user information, recipes, cd-collections or address books |
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| 08:34.36 | flo_ | checking wikipedia, i see. |
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| 08:42.57 | lilltiger | omg the radiator was lying down obstructing the waterflow so the cpu temp was at 68C |
| 08:45.24 | lilltiger | today has been a bad day for watercooling.. started with massive leakage cos of dfecting coupling (4 of them failed at the same time |
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| 08:47.16 | thiago | ATOP |
| 08:47.18 | looonger | is x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ with 1 GB of Ram enough for KDE4.1? |
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| 08:47.52 | pinotree | the question is: why would you think it would not be enough? |
| 08:48.03 | lilltiger | woho 88C on all 4 cores! |
| 08:48.08 | lilltiger | new record hehe |
| 08:48.11 | looonger | pinotree: cause it's sooooo slow |
| 08:48.18 | DrEeevil | looonger: yes, of course |
| 08:48.38 | DrEeevil | looonger: kde 4.1 is the same or smaller than kde 3.5 in terms of ressource usage |
| 08:48.44 | thiago | NOW THEY'RE SLOWER THAN A cga SCREEN |
| 08:48.51 | thiago | i CAN *SEE* THE REDRAW |
| 08:49.02 | DrEeevil | haha |
| 08:49.10 | pinotree | hands thiago a new caps lock key |
| 08:49.35 | thiago | sorry |
| 08:49.40 | looonger | DrEeevil: really? kde 3.5.9 was faster |
| 08:49.40 | thiago | I couldn't see what I was typing |
| 08:49.57 | DrEeevil | looonger: surprising. 4.1 feels a lot snappier here |
| 08:50.07 | sandsmark | looonger: nvidia? =) |
| 08:50.08 | thiago | ok, this is the last time I even *try* to use effects |
| 08:50.13 | pinotree | looonger: just ask specific question, instead of the quite generic one you did |
| 08:50.14 | lilltiger | now when my gpu woks ok in kde 4.1 is snappier then kde 3.9 ;D |
| 08:50.24 | looonger | sandsmark: yes |
| 08:50.30 | thiago | if I have problems, I'm just going to say that NVidia is doomed forever, never ever going to buy it again |
| 08:50.38 | thiago | and not use effects either |
| 08:50.43 | grablin | Hi all. Have a question. I use widget "Picture Frame" on my desktop. And I set a certain folder with images for slide show. How can I get the name of the file wich shown in frame at moment? |
| 08:50.59 | DrEeevil | thiago: I've given up about a year ago ... too many really insane bugs |
| 08:51.15 | thiago | one of the two screens entered opengl mode |
| 08:51.16 | lilltiger | thiago: ohh? are you using the opengl or xrandr settings for the effects? |
| 08:51.17 | thiago | the other didn't |
| 08:51.24 | thiago | opengl |
| 08:51.24 | lilltiger | haha |
| 08:51.27 | sandsmark | nvidia is fun for the whole family |
| 08:51.30 | DrEeevil | thiago: 36h uptime limit was the thing that convinced me, I do not appreciate reliable shutdowns caused by retardodrivers |
| 08:51.54 | DrEeevil | and the gtk hatebug still happens randomly :) |
| 08:52.20 | lilltiger | thiago: well they are beta ;D ill give nvidia another month before deciding to give em up (as these drivers seems to work great for me) |
| 08:52.30 | thiago | month? |
| 08:52.34 | thiago | looks like they'll need two years |
| 08:52.51 | lilltiger | thiago: probly :) |
| 08:52.51 | thiago | in the mean time, I'll never buy NVidia again |
| 08:52.53 | ggg333 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.56 | DrEeevil | mmh, the gtk hatebug has existed in the 3x.xx drivers back in 2001(?) already |
| 08:52.57 | GNU\colossus | AMD/ATI and Intel IGP ftw :) |
| 08:53.02 | DrEeevil | they just won't learn |
| 08:53.07 | lilltiger | thiago: intel is looking more and more promising |
| 08:53.19 | jacekowski | thiago: you can throttle cpu performance in /proc/acpi |
| 08:53.22 | sandsmark | doesn't get opengl effects with intel either |
| 08:53.25 | sandsmark | just black screen |
| 08:53.29 | thiago | jacekowski: ?? |
| 08:53.34 | thiago | jacekowski: that was a non-sequitur |
| 08:53.34 | DrEeevil | lilltiger: apart from the monopolistic abuse practises, yes :) |
| 08:53.52 | GNU\colossus | sandsmark: huh? what specific "opengl effects" do you mean? |
| 08:53.57 | lilltiger | DrEeevil: but they sure are good at that as well :) |
| 08:54.00 | sandsmark | GNU\colossus: turn on "desktop effects" |
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| 08:54.07 | sandsmark | and choose opengl instead of xrender |
| 08:54.10 | GNU\colossus | sandsmark: I'm on KDE3 :) |
| 08:54.13 | DrEeevil | lilltiger: not good enough if they get slapped in every large market ;) |
| 08:54.48 | lilltiger | DrEeevil: they are, last time a saw they where crushing amd |
| 08:54.50 | DrEeevil | y'know, ati used to be known for having the worst drivers since ca. 1995 and they've changed ... nvidia lags by a few years |
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| 08:55.19 | lilltiger | ati drivers was total crap until halfe a year ago :) |
| 08:55.41 | DrEeevil | lilltiger: amd seems to be in a stable state ... they just need to focus a bit more instead of trying to be everything |
| 08:55.54 | DrEeevil | lilltiger: nvidia drivers still are total cow manure ;) |
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| 08:56.04 | lilltiger | DrEeevil: true :) |
| 08:56.06 | DrEeevil | haven't been able to actually use them in about two years |
| 08:56.11 | lilltiger | on both ;D |
| 08:56.36 | DrEeevil | features like limiting resolution to 1600x1200 (looks great on a 1920x1200 TFT), crashing, shutting down machines ... |
| 08:56.46 | DrEeevil | so much fun. true windows feeling. |
| 08:57.04 | lilltiger | well nvdidia has served me well in linux untill kde 4.1, and new with these latest beta they work very well for me in kde 4.1 i guess the dev uses the same card as me :) |
| 08:57.28 | DrEeevil | lucky you. three cards in the last year and no usable results. |
| 08:57.51 | DrEeevil | I wish nvidia stopped producing closed drivers for linux so people would stop suggesting to use them |
| 08:58.07 | pinotree | can you move to #kde-chat, please? |
| 08:58.07 | DrEeevil | those drivers are worse than no drivers :( |
| 08:58.14 | DrEeevil | ends rant :) |
| 08:59.05 | grablin | There are no widget-men here? :) |
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| 08:59.38 | thiago | lilltiger: try running nvidia-settings |
| 08:59.44 | thiago | what happens? |
| 09:00.18 | lilltiger | thiago: screen goes black then comes back |
| 09:00.39 | thiago | any slowdowns? |
| 09:00.43 | lilltiger | and settings program starts |
| 09:00.46 | lilltiger | nope |
| 09:00.56 | thiago | after running nvidia-settings, that's when I got the weird behaviour |
| 09:01.01 | thiago | I had got this yesterday too |
| 09:01.05 | thiago | windows stop updating |
| 09:02.18 | lilltiger | maybe it's something with thoes tweak settings, as with them kwin ate cpu and dident work well at all, now without em evrything is flawless 0-1% kwin cpu at idle, an maxes at 14% when wobling an rtansparent video window |
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| 09:05.25 | lilltiger | hmm how do i force to pager into 1 row only (uses active borders and wants an linear layout not an grid) |
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| 09:09.18 | Zarin | lilltiger, right-click the pager, open settings and select 1 row |
| 09:09.54 | lilltiger | omg how could i miss settings.. bah |
| 09:10.02 | Zarin | :) |
| 09:12.03 | lilltiger | hmm and how to change the height o the panal ly finds width |
| 09:12.50 | lilltiger | founf it |
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| 09:47.20 | SpeedyG | Hi, is it possible in KDE to keep certain regions on the desktop free (for example the place where karamba widgets are) ? |
| 09:48.12 | GNU\colossus | [kde3] how can I enable the "Hibernate"-Button in the shutdown/logout-dialog? |
| 09:48.26 | thiago | lilltiger: not my day |
| 09:48.28 | thiago | lilltiger: kontact crashed |
| 09:48.31 | thiago | SIGFPE |
| 09:48.56 | thiago | taking the opportunity to restart X |
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| 09:51.54 | vesuv | hi |
| 09:52.27 | vesuv | is there a similiar kde application like fluid for the mac? http://fluidapp.com/ |
| 09:53.02 | thiago | lilltiger: black windows still present |
| 09:53.02 | thiago | I'm disabling effects altogether |
| 09:53.22 | thiago | someone remind me in a year or so to try again |
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| 10:01.43 | lilltiger | thiago: |
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| 10:01.49 | lilltiger | what card do you have? |
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| 10:03.02 | thiago | 8600 GT |
| 10:03.08 | thiago | is writing a blog rant |
| 10:03.47 | lilltiger | so strange that we get so different results now |
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| 10:14.00 | grablin | There are no widget-men here? |
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| 10:14.56 | shade | helo how can change screen resolution via dcop or from coand line? |
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| 10:15.03 | shade | command |
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| 10:17.53 | pinotree | you don't use dcop but xrandr |
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| 10:18.39 | shade | ok thx |
| 10:18.57 | shade | when i start w3 frozen trone resolution fucks |
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| 10:25.08 | flo_ | thiago, sandsmark, can you point me to some resource about ldap file sync? hard to find anything |
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| 10:25.25 | flo_ | that has not to do with user stuff |
| 10:25.36 | thiago | Mandriva has that option |
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| 11:02.05 | GarulfoUnix | Hello everyone. |
| 11:05.14 | kde_pepo | thiago, try using "--notransparency" in Konsole. |
| 11:05.26 | thiago | why? I want transparency |
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| 11:06.25 | kde_pepo | thiago, well, yes... but given that flag makes it use standard RGB visuals, instead of ARGB visuals, which are known to be slow with NVidia's XRender implementation. |
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| 11:06.43 | thiago | not using |
| 11:06.47 | thiago | not using Xrender |
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| 11:10.11 | kde_pepo | and you should ask Seli why he added some GLib things in the first place... I remember there were issues that forced him to add GLib support. I think it had to do with Flash. |
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| 11:10.23 | thiago | he didn't |
| 11:10.23 | Half-Left | kde_pepo: It's rather fast in some respects, with the nv driver you have to turn off some effects because they are jurky, with nvidia driver they are smooth, it's just resizing thats a issue |
| 11:10.28 | thiago | it's Qt that has glib |
| 11:10.33 | thiago | turn it off, problem solved. |
| 11:10.36 | Half-Left | jerky* |
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| 11:13.30 | kde_pepo | ah yes, he needed to add GLib support explicitely for the case when Qt hasn't been compiled with GLib support. |
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| 11:14.43 | thiago | kde_pepo: no "glib" in kwin code |
| 11:14.47 | kde_pepo | maybe his implementation should be used regardless of Qt's GLib support. |
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| 11:14.56 | thiago | except in "ConfigLib" and my own code |
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| 11:20.26 | kde_pepo | sorry, it wasn't kwin, it was this nsplugin wrapper... |
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| 11:26.01 | kde_pepo | rev 820257 |
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| 12:08.51 | Half-Left | thiago: Did you read this? http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118088 |
| 12:09.19 | thiago | yes |
| 12:09.26 | thiago | I tested with those things on and off |
| 12:09.37 | thiago | performance isn't the trouble |
| 12:09.39 | thiago | black windows are |
| 12:09.56 | Half-Left | Sounds like the thing that affected compiz |
| 12:10.09 | Half-Left | running out of memory or not using it right |
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| 12:13.22 | Half-Left | thiago, How does it work with Xrender? |
| 12:13.33 | thiago | it doesn't |
| 12:13.36 | thiago | Xrender doesn't work |
| 12:13.50 | Half-Left | Thats weird |
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| 12:15.21 | Half-Left | thiago: You turned off VSync and your still getting heavy CPU load? |
| 12:15.25 | thiago | yes |
| 12:15.34 | thiago | the CPU load went down when I disabled glib |
| 12:15.36 | thiago | that's fine by me |
| 12:15.40 | thiago | I have no use for glib |
| 12:15.52 | Half-Left | Can you post your xorg.conf so I can look |
| 12:17.18 | thiago | http://pastebin.ca/1181533 |
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| 12:18.34 | Half-Left | thiago: Remove Option "RenderAccel" "True" |
| 12:18.40 | Half-Left | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.53 | Half-Left | Option "AddARGBVisuals" "True" |
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| 12:19.25 | Half-Left | You dont actually need them anymore |
| 12:19.46 | thiago | I'm perfectly happy without effects now |
| 12:19.51 | thiago | all problems are gone |
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| 12:21.02 | Half-Left | Well yer they will do :p |
| 12:21.50 | aseigo | thiago: honestly, this is a great example of "how things suck when using hardware from companies that aren't foss friendly" ... |
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| 12:22.19 | aseigo | thiago: i get the frustration totally, as it's not somthing you can just fix somehow (something we're used to being able to do), and it's taking choices away from you |
| 12:22.41 | GNU\colossus | BLOBs are bad, mmmkay? |
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| 12:23.06 | aseigo | thiago: but yeah .. it's no less surprising than apple's iPhone software only running on their gadgets or any other similarly typical control-control-control company's tech |
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| 12:23.57 | Half-Left | Apple are much controling that anyone with their devices |
| 12:23.59 | aseigo | thiago: i'm really, really hoping that the current incidents at nvidia (pressuring their bottom lines) and gallium3d going GPL in the fall might, just *might*, lever open some change at that co |
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| 12:24.28 | aseigo | thiago: anyways .. i'm probably going to have a go at changing the wallpaper renderer to just always use maxpect |
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| 12:26.17 | Half-Left | Wish I could try out a ATI HD card |
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| 12:29.16 | Half-Left | aseigo: But it seems some projects are the first to take their sponsor money from Intel, Novell ect... |
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| 12:31.20 | ebdomino | bonjour |
| 12:31.33 | utb_diablo | ebdomino, c'est un chan eng ici |
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| 12:34.01 | ebdomino | bonjour it's an international word, it's better as say nothing utb_diablo |
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| 12:35.36 | pinotree | utb_diablo: yes |
| 12:37.15 | Zarin | thiago, thanks for taking the time to write that rant |
| 12:37.28 | Zarin | And the time spent trying to debug :) |
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| 12:37.59 | aseigo | thiago: hrm... so in kde3 ... did your images have stripes of colour if they weren't the same size as the screen? |
| 12:38.12 | Guest35482 | salve |
| 12:38.17 | Guest35482 | hi |
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| 12:38.48 | thiago | full screen |
| 12:38.57 | clusby | hmmm...If I am getting 'The library phonon_xine does not offer a KDE 4 compatible library' which library am I missing? |
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| 12:39.04 | thiago | though I remember there was no "best" option |
| 12:39.37 | aseigo | thiago: because looking at it.. hrm.. we have "scale" and "scale and crop" |
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| 12:40.41 | aseigo | aah ... it was just which axis we scaled that differed. i see. |
| 12:40.41 | Half-Left | clusby: What version of Xine? |
| 12:41.32 | Half-Left | Ugh, Kmail resizing it so slow still with the new nvidia driver it's not even funny |
| 12:42.20 | aseigo | in the case of the width ratio (image:screen) being larger than the height ratio, in scale&crop we scale along the width and in maxpect along the height |
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| 12:44.32 | clusby | Half-Left: xine-config --version shows 1.1.11.1 |
| 12:44.54 | Half-Left | clusby: Get latest, I think it's 1.1.13 |
| 12:45.15 | clusby | Half-Left: cheers |
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| 12:46.10 | clusby | thiago: btw I've recently installed the latest driver and had a play around, and I'm seeing kwin use a heap of CPU too |
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| 12:47.30 | gergap | hi |
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| 12:49.25 | gergap | I've a problem with KDE3.5.9 on my account when opening konversation or kaddressbook. Server sent error 23: Could not connect to host localhost |
| 12:49.44 | gergap | I used strace to find out what should be connected. |
| 12:49.49 | gergap | http://rafb.net/p/fVcjXS32.html |
| 12:50.02 | gergap | it looks like a DCOP problem for me |
| 12:50.05 | gergap | but I'm not sure |
| 12:50.11 | gergap | can somebody help me? |
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| 12:51.06 | thiago | clusby: turn glib off |
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| 12:51.28 | aseigo | thiago: ok, maxpect is back |
| 12:52.02 | gergap | what is this .ICEauthority file for? |
| 12:52.14 | aseigo | gergap: for dcop |
| 12:53.29 | gergap | aseigo: can you see the problem in this strace output? |
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| 12:53.49 | clusby | thaigo: yep that worked for me too (thanks for the planet post too) |
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| 12:54.48 | friedrich| | hmm |
| 12:55.36 | Half-Left | thiago: How to do you turn off glib in Qt4 with binary package? |
| 12:55.48 | friedrich| | setting QT_NO_GLIB really gets my kwin in composite mode to use only few % of my cpu - this way ondemand governor doesn't keep them at 2.8 but 1 GHz instead. |
| 12:55.49 | thiago | export QT_NO_GLIB=1 |
| 12:56.03 | friedrich| | Is there any disadvantage with QT_NO_GLIB? |
| 12:56.06 | Half-Left | What does it affect if I do? |
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| 12:56.11 | aseigo | doesn't use the glib event loop |
| 12:56.20 | aseigo | which for kwin is a non-event |
| 12:56.33 | thiago | it also makes the gstreamer backend to phonon not work |
| 12:57.00 | friedrich| | a non-event for kwin? What does that mean? |
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| 12:58.35 | aseigo | friedrich|: it means it doesn't affect kwin as it doesn't benefit from that feature |
| 12:59.19 | aseigo | thiago: yes, but if you do `QT_NO_GLIB kwin --replace` it shouldn't affect that as kwin doesn't use phonon directly, correct? |
| 12:59.26 | thiago | correct |
| 12:59.35 | thiago | you can always use the xine backend too |
| 12:59.36 | friedrich| | aseigo: ok, I just thought the same. But why is kwin using it anyway? I mean, if it doesn't need it and if it actually only gets kwin suck more CPU - I don't see much point in it |
| 12:59.40 | thiago | which I have to, to listen to streams |
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| 12:59.43 | sceptiQ | hi |
| 12:59.53 | aseigo | friedrich|: it's the default when qt is built with the glib event loop |
| 13:00.15 | aseigo | friedrich|: so it isn't so much "kwin is using it" as "qt is using it, and kwin uses qt" |
| 13:00.31 | sceptiQ | how can i enable the "egroupware xmlrpc service"? for using kontakt and kalendar with my egroupware? |
| 13:00.42 | friedrich| | but I don't get how that increases cpu usage when effects are turned on.. |
| 13:01.22 | friedrich| | and.. if kwin actually doesn't need it.. kde could ship the startkde scripts with some "QT_NO_GLIB=1 kwin" |
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| 13:01.39 | friedrich| | and save big time of power consumption |
| 13:01.39 | aseigo | thiago: i don't suppose tronical is in the office still huh? |
| 13:01.56 | thiago | friedrich|: I thought of that, but kwin is started by ksmserver |
| 13:02.06 | thiago | friedrich|: and ksmserver also starts many other things |
| 13:02.34 | thiago | friedrich|: try this instead: http://pastebin.ca/1181571 |
| 13:02.35 | thiago | aseigo: checking |
| 13:02.40 | friedrich| | thiago: A pity you disabled comments - I'd love to read other opinions |
| 13:03.35 | thiago | aseigo: he's sitting on the floor talking to Tor Arne |
| 13:04.04 | Zarin | Hmm, is there anyway to disable Glib from within the app itself? |
| 13:04.24 | friedrich| | thiago: interesting patch - but I think I'll go with QT_NO_GLIB=1 kwin --replace & |
| 13:04.43 | Zarin | Ah |
| 13:04.46 | Zarin | thiago =D |
| 13:04.59 | thiago | friedrich|: I said in my blog that --replace didn't work |
| 13:05.30 | friedrich| | thiago: it works just fine here |
| 13:05.41 | thiago | well, I got black desktops |
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| 13:05.45 | thiago | so it must be NVidia again |
| 13:06.02 | aseigo | thiago: ah, that's why he didn't pong my ping earlier =) np... i though he'd just left |
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| 13:06.15 | friedrich| | thiago: maybe you need to have effects disabled when doing the --replace - and enable them afterwards, at least that is, what I did. give it a try? |
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| 13:07.36 | friedrich| | thiago: btw, using nvidia too. |
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| 13:09.26 | sceptiQ | how can i enable the "egroupware xmlrpc service"? for using kontakt and kalendar with my egroupware? |
| 13:14.59 | rizvan__ | hi, can qt 4.5 snaphot be used to compile kdesvn? |
| 13:15.26 | pinotree | why not? |
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| 13:15.52 | thiago | rizvan__: it should |
| 13:15.54 | thiago | it may fail |
| 13:15.59 | thiago | if it does, report any breakages |
| 13:16.22 | aseigo | sceptiQ: if nobody here knows, kdepim-users@kde.org is your friend |
| 13:16.49 | rizvan__ | thiago, report breakage here or at bugs.kde.org? |
| 13:16.51 | sceptiQ | aseigo: thx |
| 13:17.05 | thiago | here or mailing list |
| 13:17.10 | thiago | don't use bugs.kde.org for that |
| 13:17.23 | rizvan__ | ok, thanks. |
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| 13:30.57 | CyBaH | 1-0 o/ go dutch |
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| 13:36.15 | xenoterracide | well this is amusing |
| 13:36.17 | xenoterracide | this window has no title bar |
| 13:36.21 | xenoterracide | agcrap no windows have a titlebar |
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| 13:39.46 | Murray_B | Could somebody tell me if and how it is possible, to delete this plasma-thing in the top-right of the desktop? |
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| 13:44.55 | Smurfslover | Murray_B, there has been lots of discussion about that |
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| 13:45.26 | Smurfslover | the option is not available in kde but it is possible with some hacking |
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| 13:45.58 | Murray_B | Smurfslover: Ah, great, can you tell me how? I think in appletsrc? |
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| 13:46.00 | Smurfslover | it'll stay there because kde4 is designed to be usable with only one mouse button |
| 13:46.10 | Smurfslover | don't know haven't tried it yet |
| 13:46.17 | Smurfslover | google can help you :-) |
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| 13:46.57 | Murray_B | Smurfslover: No, google can't, because I don't know how this thing is called and if I google for "thing kde delete".... |
| 13:47.19 | Smurfslover | try 'cashew kde4' |
| 13:47.24 | Smurfslover | it's a cashew |
| 13:47.39 | Murray_B | Smurfslover: Cashew??? Okay, I'll try, thanks... |
| 13:47.46 | Smurfslover | yw |
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| 13:55.23 | J-23 | Hi! Is there KNetworkManager for KDE4? |
| 13:55.39 | sandsmark | not yet, afaik |
| 13:55.42 | cb400f | no, under development |
| 13:55.49 | sandsmark | or so they say =) |
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| 13:56.01 | sandsmark | it seems everyone who starts working on it just suddenly goes silent =p |
| 13:56.02 | darioandres | Hi. Anyone knows howto use the regexp option in bugzilla to select only the bugs where my email isn't in the CC list?. Thanks in advance :) |
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| 14:16.40 | bgmiki | who ban nick name Bulwinkle and why? |
| 14:16.47 | bumbl | is there a qt4/kde4 irc client? |
| 14:16.53 | bgmiki | gay just ask me |
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| 14:17.49 | PhilRod | idiot |
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| 14:18.10 | jpds | Bulwinkle: There we go. |
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| 14:18.21 | Bulwinkle | howdy all... does anyone have any experience with a system tray background being black? |
| 14:18.30 | Bulwinkle | jpds: thanks! |
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| 14:19.17 | Bulwinkle | I've got all of the systray icons and the rest of my panel is rendering properly, just the systray is black |
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| 14:32.11 | JR_w | Konqueror insists on opening jpgs rather than allowing Kuickshow to open them. In the KDE control center, my associations show Kuickshow at the top and also in the Konqueror image associations... Still, it will not send the images to Kuickshow. Darn! |
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| 14:32.19 | Bulwinkle | I'm running openSUSE 11 -- KDE 4.1 |
| 14:32.48 | pinotree | JR_w: check the settings in the "embedding" tab of that module |
| 14:33.22 | JR_w | pinotree: 'embedding.' OK, will look for that. |
| 14:35.22 | JR_w | pinotree: Where do I find 'embedding'? |
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| 14:35.33 | pinotree | in that contol center module... |
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| 14:37.42 | wishie | is there any 'configuration' for KMilo ? i need to change what happens when i press a certain 'extra' button on my notebook. otherwise, it causes crashes... |
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| 14:44.59 | PhilRod | wishie: unfortunately you have to edit the config file. There's some documentation about it in the source. Give me a minute and I'll find it for you |
| 14:46.03 | PhilRod | wishie: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/branches/KDE/3.5/kdeutils/kmilo/generic/README?revision=771580 |
| 14:46.06 | PhilRod | that might help |
| 14:46.18 | wishie | thanks. this is the most response ive got about this issue :) |
| 14:46.38 | PhilRod | I had to search around for it when I was looking for it before :-) |
| 14:46.49 | wishie | the other issue is, that 2 of my extra keys dont generate scancodes etc at all.. but i believe this is a more low-level (kernel?) issue |
| 14:47.45 | wishie | atleast i can stop this crashing though.. |
| 14:48.01 | wishie | the button that causes the crash is the enable/disable touchpad button |
| 14:48.04 | wishie | which i use all the time |
| 14:48.30 | PhilRod | yes, lack of scancodes is lower-level than kde |
| 14:48.45 | PhilRod | I don't know enough details to be able to help you fix it though |
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| 14:52.23 | wishie | hmm |
| 14:52.40 | wishie | i understand the examples, as such.. but.. no example similar to what i need |
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| 15:01.57 | PhilRod | wishie: take a look at the existing config file. Maybe there's something there that would help |
| 15:02.33 | wishie | nah, nothing at all |
| 15:02.40 | wishie | except for the OSD settings :( |
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| 15:18.37 | nolus | how can I use tar:/ in konqueror with a remote protocol? |
| 15:18.47 | nolus | tar:/http://... does not work |
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| 15:18.51 | tuxick | gosh |
| 15:18.56 | tuxick | that'd be a miracle indeed |
| 15:19.07 | nolus | how is that a miracle |
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| 15:19.39 | nolus | the horrible ark part (or how it's named) works with remote urls too |
| 15:19.44 | nolus | but this program sucks |
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| 15:19.46 | tuxick | oh :) |
| 15:20.09 | nolus | but zip:, tar: etc. are nice... however, they only seem to accept local filesystem paths |
| 15:20.11 | reiser | after installing kde4 my kde3 home folder is ~/.kde4 too. how i can to set this? |
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| 15:34.30 | ScheissDrogen | Prob: missing the tabs for mini/maximizing my desktop-windows in kde- where have they gone ? |
| 15:35.41 | pinotree | ? |
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| 15:53.58 | ScheissDrogen | I'm missing my buttons to close/minimize/maximize Windows, any Idea ? |
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| 15:56.01 | wishie | ScheissDrogen: mine seems to do that sometimes, when compiz is running |
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| 15:56.37 | ScheissDrogen | wishie:even tried to de-reinstall compiz |
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| 15:57.17 | Tomasu | so I have a silly question, if both "direct rendering" and not work in kwin4 for compositing, which is better? |
| 15:57.42 | TheFuzzball | I'm getting an error 2 from kdebase with: make[2]: *** [workspace/plasma/applets/battery/CMakeFiles/plasma_applet_battery.dir/battery.o] Error 1 |
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| 15:57.50 | TheFuzzball | does anyone have this problem? |
| 15:58.01 | TheFuzzball | And know how to fix it? :p |
| 15:58.27 | Half-Left | TheFuzzball: You need to pastebin the full error, that tells us nothing |
| 15:58.35 | Tomasu | and does anyone know how to fix konqueror's slow zoom performance? |
| 15:58.35 | TheFuzzball | shall do |
| 15:58.57 | Tomasu | Id be happy with getting text only zoom back... |
| 15:59.46 | TheFuzzball | Half-Left: http://pastebin.com/m4af41714 |
| 16:00.39 | Tomasu | answered my first question, enableing direct rendering chops out intermitent 10% cpu spikes. |
| 16:01.10 | Half-Left | TheFuzzball: Not sure about that one, what Qt version do you have? |
| 16:01.35 | TheFuzzball | just built 4.4.1 from qt-copy half an hour ago |
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| 16:02.36 | Half-Left | TheFuzzball: I'm not sure maybe to a svn up later to see if it gets fixed, in the mean time do a svn-clean |
| 16:02.40 | TheFuzzball | wait, could this be caused by not running apply_patches from qt-copy? |
| 16:03.00 | Half-Left | Not sure |
| 16:03.25 | TheFuzzball | I'll run apply_patches and recompile qt, should take 20 minutes |
| 16:03.31 | TheFuzzball | I'll know then :) |
| 16:04.02 | Half-Left | :) |
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| 16:04.46 | orehon | what is the program to preview pictures in kde? picutes like jpeg png gif and so on. |
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| 16:11.27 | TheFuzzball | orehon: Gwenview |
| 16:11.40 | orehon | thanks |
| 16:11.44 | orehon | I am already using |
| 16:11.45 | orehon | :P |
| 16:11.48 | TheFuzzball | oki |
| 16:12.39 | pinotree | TheFuzzball: you need to compile qt with accessibility support |
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| 16:14.50 | TheFuzzball | pinotree: no, I ran it with -no-accesibility |
| 16:15.20 | TheFuzzball | I figured I didn't need it :) |
| 16:15.25 | TheFuzzball | should I compile with? |
| 16:17.05 | pinotree | TheFuzzball: exactly, you *must* compile qt with it |
| 16:17.31 | TheFuzzball | anything else I *must* compile it with? |
| 16:17.42 | TheFuzzball | Just so I don't have to do it again :p |
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| 16:20.01 | pinotree | how are you compiling qt? |
| 16:20.15 | TheFuzzball | what do you mean? |
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| 16:20.53 | limpan | hello alles! Anyone knows if there is a workaround so that kde4.1s window effects doesn't make videos look like a bluescreen? |
| 16:21.30 | TheFuzzball | I am compiling it from qt-copy in trunk (4.4.1) on Kubuntu 8.04 running on C2Q Q6600 with 2GB RAM. |
| 16:22.27 | pinotree | ./configure ... |
| 16:22.37 | TheFuzzball | ah, lol |
| 16:22.48 | TheFuzzball | ./configure --prefix=/usr -release -no-fast -largefile -exceptions -accessibility -stl -system-sqlite -qt3support -xmlpatterns -phonon -svg -webkit -assistant-webkit -platform linux-g++-64 -qt-zlib -qt-gif -qt-libtiff -qt-libpng -qt-libmng -qt-libjpeg -openssl-linked -optimized-qmake -nis -cups -iconv -pch -dbus-linked -reduce-relocations -no-separate-debug-info -system-nas-sound -opengl -sm -xshape -xinerama -xcursor -xfixes -xrandr -xrender -fontconfig |
| 16:22.49 | TheFuzzball | -no-tablet -xkb -glib |
| 16:22.56 | TheFuzzball | sorry for the flood |
| 16:22.59 | pinotree | then read README.qt-copy |
| 16:23.57 | TheFuzzball | I have enabled everything except tablet support. that should work |
| 16:24.14 | pinotree | you don't need to, almost everything is enabled by default |
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| 16:24.23 | pinotree | again, read README.qt-copy |
| 16:24.29 | Tomasu | so anyone know how to get konqueror's zooming to be useable? currently zooming into a page makes the scrolling horrendously slow :( |
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| 16:25.01 | TheFuzzball | alright :) |
| 16:25.02 | Tomasu | and the quality of the zoom is rather low as well, gets a little fuzzy and "splotchy" |
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| 16:28.58 | adiemus | hello..... |
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| 16:32.51 | makkone- | mmm...amarok2beta released |
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| 16:35.10 | TheFuzzball | Yeh, does anyone know if it is usable? |
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| 16:36.01 | shadok | if you can't wait for the final it must be usable :p |
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| 16:36.41 | TheFuzzball | No, I just want to know how stable it is currently |
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| 16:38.07 | shadok | just try, you'll see, it depends on what you use, for me i think it is complete already, i'm not using ten percent of its features |
| 16:38.47 | zakia | on my fedora 9 when i log into kde it brings me back to the login screen after 2 or 3 secondes gnome works where should i start to troubleshoot |
| 16:38.53 | shadok | but i didn't try amarok2, i'm waiting for another kde release (4.2 i think) to check how it is |
| 16:39.06 | shadok | zakia: rename you ~/.kde folder |
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| 16:39.22 | shadok | zakia: that will restore defaults settings |
| 16:39.52 | TheFuzzball | zakia: make sure your home dir has the right permissions, as well as your KDE dir |
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| 16:41.12 | zakia | is there a log i can check |
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| 16:41.24 | zakia | i have a fedora 9 |
| 16:42.41 | TheFuzzball | for permissions? |
| 16:42.57 | TheFuzzball | just chmod -R 775 your home dir |
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| 16:43.21 | TheFuzzball | That usually fixes what you are discribing |
| 16:43.38 | wishie | hmm, with kmail, im using IMAP to my server.. but i still have to press send/recieve.. is there a way to have messages automatically delivered ? |
| 16:43.48 | wishie | and i dont mean by automatically polling for new email |
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| 16:48.21 | liber | wishie: um... no. imap is per definition online |
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| 16:48.45 | liber | wishie: but you have the "automatic check" in the account-dialog |
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| 16:49.09 | liber | "enable interval mail check" |
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| 16:50.08 | liber | if you dont have offline imap |
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| 16:50.50 | wishie | i thought the idea was to deliver mail directly to the client, and they didnt have to poll for it ? |
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| 16:53.19 | liber | wishie: imap is online, pop stores the messages locally. But you can make imap checks every x minutes automaticly |
| 16:54.12 | Half-Left | Is it possible to mount a .mdf file, i.e image like ISO? |
| 16:54.30 | wishie | liber: so i still have to poll the server for the messages, though ? |
| 16:54.38 | wishie | Half-Left: convert it |
| 16:54.51 | wishie | mdf2iso |
| 16:55.01 | liber | wishie:well. yeah. always |
| 16:55.22 | Half-Left | wishie: Command? |
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| 16:55.58 | wishie | Half-Left: the program is called 'mdf2iso' |
| 16:56.06 | wishie | which distro do you use Half-Left ? |
| 16:56.09 | Half-Left | ahhh ok thanls |
| 16:56.25 | Half-Left | wishie: Linux mint (based off Ubuntu Hardy) |
| 16:56.31 | wishie | apt-get it then :) |
| 16:56.35 | Half-Left | :) |
| 16:56.36 | wishie | sudo apt-get install mdf2iso |
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| 17:00.26 | mrbig4545 | hiya |
| 17:00.35 | mrbig4545 | i have a problem, its just appeared now, and its strange |
| 17:00.45 | mrbig4545 | when i press the up key, ksnapshot appears |
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| 17:01.04 | mrbig4545 | and down makes a @ |
| 17:01.13 | mrbig4545 | any ideas? |
| 17:01.43 | mrbig4545 | its kde 3.5.9 |
| 17:01.50 | liber | have you tampered with the keyboardlayouts? |
| 17:01.59 | mrbig4545 | no, havnt done anything |
| 17:02.12 | wishie | hmm, how can i start a KDE "service" from the command line ? |
| 17:02.19 | wishie | i need to start "KMilo" |
| 17:02.23 | mrbig4545 | X11 crashed, wouldnt restart because of nvidia driver update, so reloaded the mod |
| 17:02.26 | mrbig4545 | and now this happens |
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| 17:02.46 | liber | mrbig4545: probably something for the distro support channel |
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| 17:03.14 | mrbig4545 | yeah, its random alrite |
| 17:03.23 | mrbig4545 | its gentoo, so ill ask them |
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| 17:07.11 | TheFuzzball | wishie: run kmilo from the terminal |
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| 17:09.08 | Half-Left | wishie: Says unknow format mdf :p |
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| 17:09.17 | wishie | Half-Left: eh ? |
| 17:09.34 | Half-Left | I pointed it to it, dont know the format |
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| 17:09.53 | wishie | Half-Left: mdf2iso whatever.mdf whatever.iso |
| 17:10.14 | wishie | Half-Left: what does 'file whatever.mdf' say ? |
| 17:11.09 | Half-Left | Unknown format for Backup.mdf |
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| 17:11.44 | mrbig4545 | its just happening in kde |
| 17:11.57 | mrbig4545 | opps, wrong room |
| 17:11.59 | mrbig4545 | lol |
| 17:12.08 | Half-Left | wishie: dBackup.mdf: data |
| 17:12.21 | Half-Left | Backup.mdf* |
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| 17:19.58 | mrbig4545 | i've checked with the gentoo guys, they think this keyboard issue is a kde issue |
| 17:20.12 | mrbig4545 | anyideas on where to start fixing it? |
| 17:20.35 | wishie | you can test if its a KDe issue, by backing up your .kde/ dir and moving it |
| 17:20.39 | PhilRod | mrbig4545: does it happen with a newly-created user? |
| 17:20.43 | wishie | which returns all kde settings to defaults |
| 17:20.46 | mrbig4545 | good points |
| 17:20.50 | PhilRod | (another way of doing what wishie suggested) |
| 17:20.57 | mrbig4545 | ill try that now |
| 17:20.59 | mrbig4545 | brb |
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| 17:22.50 | Phlogi | what backend is most recommended for strigi? |
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| 17:23.51 | mrbig4545 | k it doesnt happen with a new user |
| 17:24.23 | mrbig4545 | but i dont want to have to recreate my profile, |
| 17:24.33 | wishie | so check the keyboard settings in KDE |
| 17:24.56 | mrbig4545 | ive just noticed, its more than the arrow keys, it is also effecting the home block |
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| 17:27.23 | mrbig4545 | the keyboard seems to be configured correctly, ill try deleting its config fiels from my profile |
| 17:27.26 | mrbig4545 | see if that helps |
| 17:28.08 | mrbig4545 | anyone know which files they are? |
| 17:28.22 | Half-Left | wishie: K3b to the rescue and lucky I have a dual layer dvd :) |
| 17:28.37 | wishie | Half-Left: haha |
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| 17:30.45 | mrbig4545 | screw it, im going to start from scratch and just reimport kmail settings etc |
| 17:30.50 | mrbig4545 | ttyl |
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| 18:23.26 | _motti_ | hi all |
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| 18:23.41 | TheFuzzball | lo |
| 18:23.42 | pinotree | hi |
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| 18:23.48 | _motti_ | where can I find plugins for kate, sepcifically, java plugins? |
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| 18:24.40 | pinotree | there is no java plugin, afaik |
| 18:25.40 | Tomasu | plugin to do what? it supports highlighting java afaik... |
| 18:26.23 | _motti_ | compile the code with a keyboard shortcut. adding strings automatically etc. |
| 18:26.35 | sandsmark | adding what strings? |
| 18:26.44 | sandsmark | and it sounds like you want KDevelop =) |
| 18:26.50 | _motti_ | and anyway, I would like to know what plugins are there. |
| 18:26.59 | sandsmark | Kate is a text editor, not an IDE (although I'm not really sure anymore =p) |
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| 18:27.21 | Tomasu | the config dialog lists all the plugins you have installed. |
| 18:27.28 | Tomasu | theres probably more on kde-apps someplace |
| 18:27.29 | _motti_ | 1. I will check KDevelop. |
| 18:27.48 | Tomasu | and you can tell kate to run some program on a key press... |
| 18:27.53 | _motti_ | 2. I'm a newbe when it comes to programing so I still need to write my own code |
| 18:27.59 | Tomasu | I just cant remember how, I use the terminal window ;) |
| 18:28.13 | Tomasu | kdevelop doesnt write code for you ;) |
| 18:28.32 | _motti_ | as I said, I'll check it |
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| 18:28.57 | _motti_ | I takeit there is no kde4 version? |
| 18:29.02 | Tomasu | of kate? |
| 18:29.15 | _motti_ | of kdevelop |
| 18:29.17 | Tomasu | Im using the kde4 kate right now :) |
| 18:29.20 | sandsmark | no release yet |
| 18:29.25 | _motti_ | ok. |
| 18:29.39 | sandsmark | I think someone mentioned september, but I'm not sure =) |
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| 18:29.50 | sandsmark | you could ask in #kdevelop |
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| 18:30.33 | _motti_ | Sorry, the following package cannot be selected: |
| 18:30.34 | _motti_ | - kdevelop-3.5.1-3mdv2008.1.i586 |
| 18:30.48 | _motti_ | (mandriva), |
| 18:30.58 | _motti_ | I think that I'll have to wait |
| 18:31.02 | pinotree | now it beomes a problem for #mandriva |
| 18:31.09 | _motti_ | right |
| 18:31.12 | Tomasu | be carefull with kate in kde4 though, I've had it crash once or twice, and have lost a little code from it. save often :) |
| 18:31.30 | _motti_ | I'm only telling you what happen not expecting for some answers |
| 18:31.40 | Tomasu | also, it doesnt want to remember some settings in the config dialog.. like having the console plugin enabled |
| 18:31.42 | sandsmark | Tomasu: did you get backtraces and file bugs? =) |
| 18:31.48 | Tomasu | it just disappeared |
| 18:31.53 | sandsmark | oh |
| 18:31.54 | Tomasu | no backtrace was available |
| 18:32.03 | _motti_ | ok. thanks guys. bye |
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| 18:32.06 | sandsmark | always fun, especially with a lot of work in it =) |
| 18:32.07 | Tomasu | and it hasnt reproduced itself yet |
| 18:32.17 | Tomasu | yeah, I lost like an hour of solid coding :( |
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| 18:32.20 | sandsmark | =/ |
| 18:32.33 | Tomasu | annoying, but it wasnt anything serious. so meh |
| 18:32.36 | sandsmark | incremental (as-you-type) saving would be nice, but not very feasible |
| 18:32.39 | Tomasu | and its not like its happened a lot |
| 18:32.43 | sandsmark | k =) |
| 18:32.51 | Tomasu | saving every few minutes would be nice too |
| 18:32.54 | Tomasu | I cant always remember to do it myself |
| 18:33.06 | Tomasu | didnt kate 3 have auto save? |
| 18:33.17 | Tomasu | probably not... |
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| 18:33.53 | Tomasu | I cant wait to test 4.1.1, I know it'll resove a bunch of bugs, and I hope itll resolve others as well... |
| 18:33.57 | sandsmark | it tries to do atomic saving, that's why you get backup files |
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| 18:34.20 | sandsmark | Tomasu: all the bugs I've reported has been fixed, usually within a day =) |
| 18:34.26 | Tomasu | I thought it only made those backups like nano does.. just creates a backup of the last save... |
| 18:34.39 | sandsmark | it is |
| 18:34.47 | Tomasu | but no auto save... |
| 18:35.07 | sandsmark | if I recall correctly, kate saves to a new file, moves the old file to filename~, and moves the new file in place |
| 18:35.16 | Tomasu | most likely. |
| 18:35.18 | kyskyl | alguien escribe español |
| 18:35.20 | penguinbait | How can I place a item on all users desktops and menus, is there an easy way to get them on everyone, even uncreated users? |
| 18:35.34 | penguinbait | in kde4 |
| 18:35.45 | penguinbait | fedora fc9 specifically |
| 18:35.46 | Tomasu | penguinbait: install to the global place. /use/share/somewhere |
| 18:35.53 | Tomasu | cant recall the exact path :( |
| 18:36.01 | penguinbait | me either |
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| 18:36.25 | Tomasu | /usr/share/applications ? |
| 18:36.31 | Tomasu | lots of desktop files in there |
| 18:36.47 | Tomasu | theres also a /usr/share/applications/kde4 as well |
| 18:36.53 | Tomasu | at least on my debian system |
| 18:37.49 | sandsmark | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.59 | pinotree | kyskyl: #kde-es |
| 18:38.16 | penguinbait | I think it looks like /usr/share/applications/kde4 here |
| 18:38.17 | penguinbait | thanks |
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| 18:39.06 | kyskyl | gracias pinotree |
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| 18:50.11 | TheFuzzball | Does anyone know the status of panel hiding in KDE 4.2 trunk? |
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| 19:00.41 | SSJ_GZ | TheFuzzball: Let's just say that your timing in asking this question is absolutely uncanny :) |
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| 19:41.09 | Bulwinkle | My system tray background is black. All of the systray icons are there but the background isn't the same as the panel. Any suggestions? opensuse 11 KDE 4.1 |
| 19:41.57 | luna1 | Bulwinkle: is a known issue, nothing to do for now |
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| 19:47.29 | white_eagle | I have problems compiling kbluetooth 1.0beta8 version (i'm on gnome) here is the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/1181860 and I also should say that I have both qt3 and qt4 apps working |
| 19:47.31 | MoDaX | GNU\colossus: you can't |
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| 19:48.15 | pinotree | white_eagle: you need the qt3 and kde3 development stuff |
| 19:48.17 | white_eagle | I need kbluetooth for controling amarok via jamse |
| 19:48.38 | white_eagle | pinotree: can you tell me exactly whitch packages do I need? |
| 19:49.03 | pinotree | that's something you have to ask in the channel of your distro |
| 19:49.11 | white_eagle | it's ubuntu |
| 19:49.14 | white_eagle | ok |
| 19:49.23 | pinotree | then #ubuntu |
| 19:49.41 | white_eagle | so I should ask whitch packages do I need for compiling kbluetooth right? |
| 19:49.54 | pinotree | yeah |
| 19:50.02 | white_eagle | thanks |
| 19:52.12 | Bulwinkle | luna1: thanks :) as long as I know it is known. I hate thinking there is something I can do if there isn't. Thanks again. |
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| 19:55.28 | quassel251 | KDE 4.1 is amazing, I just had to come in here and say that |
| 19:55.30 | quassel251 | I'm SO happy with it |
| 19:55.48 | hyper_ch | yet it still requires a lot o work |
| 19:56.05 | quassel251 | huh? |
| 19:56.29 | quassel251 | well ya its not perfect but its the first de to make me fully switch over to linux |
| 19:57.25 | luna1 | Bulwinkle: ;) |
| 19:58.02 | quassel251 | i can't wait till konversation and k3b come out for kde4 |
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| 19:58.59 | hyper_ch | oh, I have to test the amarok2 beta :) |
| 19:59.03 | hyper_ch | almost forgot about htat |
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| 19:59.19 | quassel251 | amarok2 beta is awesome |
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| 20:02.02 | boom1992 | quassel251: +1 |
| 20:02.07 | sandsmark | =D |
| 20:02.20 | sandsmark | <3 amarok <3 |
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| 20:02.50 | quassel251 | is there any eta on k3b for kde4? |
| 20:03.22 | pinotree | nope |
| 20:03.36 | boom1992 | sandsmark: lol |
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| 20:05.56 | sandsmark | does http://www.djangobook.com/en/beta/chapter04/ crash in konqueror in kde 4 for anyone? |
| 20:06.08 | sandsmark | (someone else) |
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| 20:07.03 | sandsmark | I got a backtrace with debug symbols, but it looks like the crash handler froze =/ |
| 20:07.47 | quassel251 | sandsmark: works for me, with kde4.1 |
| 20:08.11 | sandsmark | backtrace: http://rafb.net/p/Oyjb3v53.html |
| 20:08.49 | sandsmark | hmm, looks like it's already reported |
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| 20:09.07 | sandsmark | ...or not |
| 20:09.15 | sandsmark | reports a new one |
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| 20:20.55 | lilltiger | dolphin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libnepomuk.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZNK7Soprano6Client17LocalSocketClient11isConnectedEv << what causes this? |
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| 20:23.29 | BurkeOne | hey... is anyone of the Oxygen people present ATM? Litte Question to the Plasma-Default Theme |
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| 20:27.03 | Walzmyn | on Kontact KDE4 version - how d'ya make the week in the calender start on Sunday? |
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| 20:41.21 | I-C-Wiener | hi |
| 20:41.50 | I-C-Wiener | I have a problem with ark-4.1: it fails to open tar.gz and tar.bz2 and perhaps even any other archive (haven't tried yet) |
| 20:41.56 | ebdomino | ++ |
| 20:42.09 | I-C-Wiener | is support for gz/bz2 not yet implemented? |
| 20:43.05 | I-C-Wiener | ... or is it a configuration-issue? |
| 20:43.48 | white_eagle | pinotree: you there? |
| 20:43.54 | pinotree | yes |
| 20:43.55 | I-C-Wiener | anyone using kde4.1 here? |
| 20:44.08 | white_eagle | pinotree: I installed that stuff and now ./configure of kbluetooth fails with this error |
| 20:44.11 | white_eagle | checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 20:44.13 | white_eagle | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 20:44.16 | white_eagle | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
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| 20:44.36 | white_eagle | those three lines are the last in ./configure |
| 20:44.36 | pinotree | did you install the kde3 development stuff? looks not |
| 20:44.42 | white_eagle | oh |
| 20:44.49 | white_eagle | pinotree: what packages are those |
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| 20:45.04 | pinotree | as above, #ubuntu |
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| 20:45.40 | white_eagle | pinotree: #ubuntu isn't helpful i figured out what packages I need installed with searching packages, ... but, ok, |
| 20:45.54 | pinotree | sorry, but i don't use ubuntu |
| 20:46.14 | white_eagle | ok ok |
| 20:46.19 | white_eagle | pinotree: i don't blame ya |
| 20:46.21 | white_eagle | ;) |
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| 20:50.40 | BurkeOne | @I-C-Wiener: Ark for 4.1 doesn't work. Hopefully it does with 4.1.1 |
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| 21:01.47 | white_eagle | oh my god I hate compiling |
| 21:02.02 | sandsmark | it's awesome! |
| 21:02.05 | sandsmark | I love it! =D |
| 21:02.14 | sandsmark | especially with ccache |
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| 21:02.24 | white_eagle | I need D-BUS/Qt3 bindings |
| 21:02.26 | gkiagia | lol |
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| 21:04.12 | white_eagle | previously I needed kde 3 dev stuff |
| 21:04.30 | white_eagle | previously of that I needed qt3 and qt4 libraries |
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| 21:13.42 | _newbie_ | need help with kde4 here, anybody willing to help me? |
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| 21:14.23 | pinotree | nobody can help without a question |
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| 21:19.27 | _newbie_ | recently did a fresh install of mandriva 2008.1 spring, no graphical interfaces, managed to install smart and downloaded all the packages for kde4, it loads relatively nicely with the exception that when I try to install some programs get the error "gtk-update-icon-cache: No theme index file." and a number, also any time I open firefox or epiphany there are lots of pop up windows opening, |
| 21:19.39 | _newbie_ | eventhough the popup blocker is enabled |
| 21:19.52 | birnisson | hi, I want to install this plasmoid: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=83177 , there's a link to a binary but where do I put it once downloaded? |
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| 21:23.05 | gkiagia | _newbie_: none of these are kde problems, so, sorry, we can't help |
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| 21:23.42 | gkiagia | birnisson: binary plasmoids? in what format? |
| 21:24.19 | _newbie_ | where do u suggest I can go to try and find an answer, specially the popup part is driving me nuts |
| 21:24.58 | gkiagia | I don't know.. is there #mandriva or #firefox ? maybe ask in there if such channels exist |
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| 21:25.25 | _newbie_ | where would u suggest, sorry did not want to sound condescending |
| 21:25.25 | birnisson | gkiagia: well the binary is called a "so library"... so maybe it's not really a plasmoid, even though it is listed as such on kde-look |
| 21:25.26 | gkiagia | and you could also use konqueror ;) |
| 21:25.56 | gkiagia | _newbie_: no problem |
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| 21:26.19 | gkiagia | binary .so ??? that's a really bad idea |
| 21:26.29 | gkiagia | I would suggest to compile it |
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| 21:26.45 | birnisson | gkiagia: why is it a bad idea? |
| 21:27.00 | _newbie_ | will try konqueror, had forgotten that can be used as web browser |
| 21:27.50 | birnisson | _newbie_: or wait for qt-firefox :) |
| 21:27.59 | birnisson | or arora or what it's called... |
| 21:28.07 | _newbie_ | qt-firefox? |
| 21:28.17 | gkiagia | birnisson: because libraries link to other system libraries and usually they only work on the distro they were compiled |
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| 21:28.48 | gkiagia | they *may* work on other distros, though, but you may run into binary-incompatibility issues |
| 21:28.50 | birnisson | gkiagia: all right... I'll try compiling it then |
| 21:29.06 | gkiagia | and thus get crashes and/or wierd behaviour |
| 21:29.13 | gkiagia | in addition... |
| 21:29.19 | gkiagia | you can't trust it |
| 21:29.25 | gkiagia | it may be a virus |
| 21:29.25 | birnisson | _newbie_: there seem to be efforts by mozilla going on to port firefox to qt |
| 21:30.18 | birnisson | another question: why is there no new tab button in the kde4 konsole? is that intentional? |
| 21:30.23 | wbunning | in kde 4.1 when i select the zoom out it shows 2 desktops on 1 instll and 1 on the other all against a checkered backround |
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| 21:30.37 | wbunning | I dont understand |
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| 21:31.06 | _newbie_ | am wondering what could have been the problem because I do have gtk+2.0 installed on the system and that gtk-update-icons is there too |
| 21:32.43 | _newbie_ | am wondering if one thing is related to the other, have reinstalled the os so many times trying to get kde4 to work the way is supposed to be that am almost ready to go back to the old 3.5 until the whole thing gets better, but kde4 is such a nice dm |
| 21:33.48 | gkiagia | birnisson: there is a new tab button.. you can enable it from the settings |
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| 21:35.03 | gkiagia | _newbie_: do you happen to use the gtk-qt theme? |
| 21:35.23 | _newbie_ | dont know, how can I figure it out? |
| 21:35.55 | friedrich| | I wonder why my konsole's always start with only one tab, after logging in again. |
| 21:35.56 | birnisson | gkiagia: sorry where do I set that exactly? |
| 21:36.05 | friedrich| | This really gets me sickened. |
| 21:36.39 | _newbie_ | by the way how do u make the screen be highlited in black when u respond to me? |
| 21:36.52 | gkiagia | _newbie_: systemsettings->appearence is there a gtk themes module there? |
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| 21:37.15 | _newbie_ | as u can see am really new to this sort of things |
| 21:37.18 | _newbie_ | let me ck |
| 21:37.30 | _newbie_ | by the way thanks for helping |
| 21:37.41 | gkiagia | birnisson: settings->edit current profile->tabs->last checkbox |
| 21:38.35 | gkiagia | friedrich|: afaik konsole sessions are not supported yet |
| 21:38.47 | _newbie_ | well I guess I do, there is a "GTK Styles and Fonts" option available there |
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| 21:39.19 | gkiagia | _newbie_: ok, go there and set the theme to cleanlooks (or whatever else, except qt) |
| 21:39.48 | gkiagia | save, relogin and retry :) |
| 21:40.02 | birnisson | gkiagia: tnx. I hope I'm not bugging you too much, can you tell me what the konsole profiles are about? what are they use for? |
| 21:40.36 | _newbie_ | ok selected aurora and applied, what am I supposed to see happening? |
| 21:41.21 | gkiagia | well, it's similar to the konqueror profiles.. you can have different settings on each profile (and even different shell) and change profile to use the other settings |
| 21:41.26 | gkiagia | birnisson: ^ |
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| 21:41.52 | gkiagia | _newbie_: you are supposed to get rid of the gtk error messages |
| 21:41.57 | gkiagia | that you complained about |
| 21:42.02 | gkiagia | not sure if that will work |
| 21:42.12 | _newbie_ | gkiagia: ok will see if it works |
| 21:42.12 | gkiagia | but it worths a try |
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| 21:42.47 | luna1 | yeah it's so buggy |
| 21:43.06 | luna1 | sometimes it give to me segfaults |
| 21:43.07 | gkiagia | luna1: who? gtk? :P |
| 21:43.11 | luna1 | yes |
| 21:43.11 | birnisson | gkiagia: I see. thanks again. |
| 21:43.14 | luna1 | gtk-qt-engine |
| 21:43.17 | luna1 | in 4 |
| 21:43.18 | gkiagia | gtk-qt is buggy |
| 21:43.23 | gkiagia | luna1: right |
| 21:43.37 | gkiagia | I couldn't use any gtk application with it |
| 21:43.38 | luna1 | with bespin also :( |
| 21:43.41 | luna1 | :( :( :( |
| 21:43.52 | gkiagia | they all segfaulted on startup |
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| 21:43.59 | luna1 | yep the same here |
| 21:44.06 | gkiagia | but cleanlooks works nice |
| 21:44.16 | gkiagia | and it is a rather good theme imho |
| 21:44.35 | luna1 | it' still buggy |
| 21:44.40 | luna1 | and it is buggy in 3.x |
| 21:44.56 | gkiagia | cleanlooks? |
| 21:45.01 | luna1 | nope gtk-qt |
| 21:45.03 | luna1 | :) |
| 21:45.20 | gkiagia | in 3.x it was much better |
| 21:45.32 | idem | There is a lot of stuff about nvidia drivers && Geforce 8/9 && KDE 4.x on the web ; but is there some tests with earlier Geforce cards ? such as series 5 and 6 ? |
| 21:45.50 | luna1 | it's a buggy-ported buggy-style engine i think :S |
| 21:45.56 | _newbie_ | just installed openoffie and I think something is really goofy, all the icons are missing |
| 21:46.21 | gkiagia | idem: I have a 7600 Go and it is affected... not so much, but it is |
| 21:46.32 | luna1 | idem: i have a fx5500 and i have problems too |
| 21:46.38 | gkiagia | don't know about previous models |
| 21:46.38 | idem | ok |
| 21:46.50 | luna1 | anyway with workarounds |
| 21:47.00 | luna1 | composite is unusable |
| 21:47.04 | idem | I have a 5900 XT and I was wondering why everybody was talking only about series 8 and 9 |
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| 21:47.43 | luna1 | eh... we have legacy series |
| 21:47.51 | luna1 | new drivers will not support our cards |
| 21:48.09 | gkiagia | idem: with series 8 and 9 it's much more visible... some people claim that it's unusable |
| 21:48.15 | luna1 | then when nvidia do the right fixex |
| 21:48.21 | luna1 | we can have that :S |
| 21:48.27 | luna1 | fixes* |
| 21:48.36 | idem | actualy, it's also unusable here |
| 21:48.40 | idem | actually* |
| 21:48.57 | luna1 | the most reliable way is to use NV driver |
| 21:49.02 | luna1 | no composite |
| 21:49.19 | gkiagia | I use vesa :P |
| 21:49.26 | gkiagia | with xrender |
| 21:49.28 | luna1 | omfg :P |
| 21:49.30 | gkiagia | :D |
| 21:49.40 | luna1 | 2 frames per hour |
| 21:49.42 | luna1 | looool |
| 21:49.51 | gkiagia | not at all... |
| 21:49.54 | luna1 | 3 so |
| 21:49.57 | luna1 | ahha :D |
| 21:50.13 | gkiagia | I have a phenom 8450 processor and it works just fine |
| 21:50.28 | gkiagia | I can say that vesa + xrender is much faster than nvidia + opengl |
| 21:50.43 | idem | Hmmm. It seems to be worth a try |
| 21:50.58 | luna1 | vesa + xrender ? |
| 21:51.02 | luna1 | works good ? |
| 21:51.06 | idem | How do you switch between OpenGL and Xrender ? |
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| 21:51.27 | gkiagia | idem: from the effects dialog.. you click on advanced |
| 21:51.33 | gkiagia | there is an option there |
| 21:51.36 | idem | ok, I'll give it a try |
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| 21:51.46 | gkiagia | works good, yeah |
| 21:51.55 | gkiagia | but I think it depends on the power of the processor |
| 21:52.04 | luna1 | yeah |
| 21:52.07 | gkiagia | worths a try though |
| 21:52.08 | lilltiger | gkiagia: it was unusable but with the latests beta drivers it's usable for some |
| 21:52.09 | luna1 | it's not direct rendering |
| 21:52.30 | gkiagia | lilltiger: haven't tried latest beta yet |
| 21:52.32 | luna1 | it made by CPU |
| 21:52.40 | gkiagia | luna1: right |
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| 21:52.56 | gkiagia | luna1: mac os also does the same thing actually :D |
| 21:53.04 | lilltiger | works very good (when vsync is disabled) with my gf8800 GTS 512 |
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| 21:53.12 | idem | hmmm.... I'm sure my powerful Sempron 2600 will do that perfectly :D |
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| 21:53.29 | luna1 | yeah but mac os it's very powerfull in that things |
| 21:53.41 | gkiagia | I had once run mac on a virtual machine, and it had effects like those that kwin does without any overhead |
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| 21:53.47 | luna1 | it can made reflections and transparencies in vesa mode |
| 21:53.48 | luna1 | :D |
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| 21:54.20 | luna1 | i have osx86 on my celeron D |
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| 21:54.29 | luna1 | with ATI 7000 |
| 21:54.35 | luna1 | it works in vesa |
| 21:54.40 | luna1 | incredible O_O |
| 21:54.51 | idem | ahahah |
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| 21:55.33 | idem | What a difference ; one is about rendering reflections in vesa, the pther is about not being able to resize a window with the latest graphic card |
| 21:55.41 | idem | other* |
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| 21:57.31 | gkiagia | that actually shows that nvidia is crap.. it can't fully accelerate something that the processor itself can do much faster |
| 21:58.42 | luna1 | it's only nvidia related problem anyway |
| 21:58.59 | idem | Yeah, currently, playing Quake while KDE 4 is compiling is easier than running KDE 4 |
| 21:59.00 | luna1 | it works good with the crappy ati drivers :S |
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| 21:59.22 | gkiagia | lol |
| 21:59.38 | gkiagia | we should make quake THE desktop then :P |
| 22:00.02 | idem | which leads us to the XGL workaround |
| 22:00.15 | luna1 | gkiagia: in a containment ? |
| 22:00.17 | luna1 | :D |
| 22:00.18 | gkiagia | actually check this out... http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=829 |
| 22:00.29 | gkiagia | luna1: yeah, hahahaha :P |
| 22:00.38 | luna1 | plasmaquake maybe |
| 22:00.39 | luna1 | ahahah |
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| 22:01.17 | bernhard | hi guys, where can i set the loudness and mic? |
| 22:01.18 | luna1 | yeah it works good with xgl + nv than nvidia + direct renderig |
| 22:01.36 | idem | nv rather than nvidia ? |
| 22:01.43 | bernhard | audio settings are somehow missing and im using skype |
| 22:01.44 | gkiagia | bernhard: in kmix |
| 22:02.00 | bernhard | gkiagia, already integrated in the start menu? |
| 22:02.04 | luna1 | idem: yep |
| 22:02.15 | bernhard | luna1, gkiagia ty |
| 22:02.27 | gkiagia | bernhard: it should be there |
| 22:02.36 | idem | I'll give it a try too |
| 22:02.44 | gkiagia | and it's not actually a "start" menu ;) |
| 22:02.46 | idem | (is that thing still packaged ?) |
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| 22:03.34 | gkiagia | what? xgl? I don't want to reinstall this thing ever... |
| 22:03.58 | luna1 | wants to compile nvidia drivers with paravirt support in kernel .... |
| 22:04.04 | luna1 | is stupid :D |
| 22:04.13 | gkiagia | luna1: it's possible |
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| 22:04.42 | gkiagia | but unfortunately the installer checks it and doesn't allow you to do much |
| 22:04.52 | luna1 | yeah i know |
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| 22:05.03 | luna1 | there is a environment variable to export |
| 22:05.35 | gkiagia | but for example, debian is shipping linux 2.6.25 now in lenny with xen enabled and while the installer doesn't work, the nvidia packages work fine |
| 22:05.57 | idem | Finally, my best X.org performance were in the Xgl times :) |
| 22:06.10 | gkiagia | thinks we should have a #kde4-nvidia channel :P |
| 22:06.13 | luna1 | oh i don't use packages 'coz i never use ditro's patched kernels |
| 22:06.17 | idem | +1 gkiagia |
| 22:06.27 | luna1 | gkiagia wins |
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| 22:07.10 | luna1 | and we want support for "older" cards too |
| 22:07.15 | luna1 | :P |
| 22:07.55 | luna1 | 3 years old cars are deprecated :S |
| 22:07.56 | bernhard | i like the new kde more than the old |
| 22:07.58 | gkiagia | and we want nvidia developers to join that channel, without the option to leave, so that we can bug them all day to fix it :P |
| 22:08.04 | idem | Another solution would be to get a known-to-be-perfect-under-Linux AGP GC |
| 22:08.05 | luna1 | cards* |
| 22:08.06 | bernhard | but its not very comfortable |
| 22:09.09 | gkiagia | idem: no such file or directory :P |
| 22:09.19 | idem | :-/ |
| 22:09.31 | gkiagia | there is no known-to-be-perfect gpu |
| 22:09.36 | idem | No vendor is perfect |
| 22:10.00 | gkiagia | ati sucks, nvidia sucks, intel doesn't really work with kwin in opengl mode |
| 22:10.00 | idem | Intel drivers are free but the cards are integrated and desktop-oriented |
| 22:10.08 | luna1 | yeah the most "perfect" is intel |
| 22:10.11 | luna1 | under linux |
| 22:10.36 | gkiagia | luna1: I agree, but a friend of mine who has intel is not able to run kwin in opengl mode... |
| 22:10.50 | `andy` | oh? |
| 22:10.55 | luna1 | :S |
| 22:11.12 | gkiagia | I don't know.. maybe he is doing something wrong |
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| 22:28.27 | idem | By the way, when will KDE 3.5.10 be out ? |
| 22:29.14 | luna1 | idem: i don't know but it's on the way |
| 22:29.52 | bernhard | the start menu is pretty confusing |
| 22:30.02 | bernhard | why is kmix not in system settings? |
| 22:30.22 | bernhard | or system programs |
| 22:30.56 | bernhard | plus i dont rly like the scrolling |
| 22:31.25 | bernhard | rest is good |
| 22:31.55 | gkiagia | bernhard: it's a multimedia related application |
| 22:32.01 | gkiagia | it should be in multimedia |
| 22:32.17 | gkiagia | and it's purpose is actually to have it in your system tray |
| 22:32.21 | gkiagia | so that you can change the volume easily |
| 22:32.52 | bernhard | gkiagia, i know, but its not in the autostart |
| 22:33.07 | bernhard | surprisingly |
| 22:33.09 | lilltiger | bah the kickoff start menu is the ugliest and most useless menu thingy ever |
| 22:33.15 | gkiagia | bernhard: if you open it one time, it will reopen on next kde startup |
| 22:33.28 | lilltiger | but lancelot, that one is great looking |
| 22:33.53 | gkiagia | lilltiger: that's why we have many options for the menu now :) |
| 22:34.13 | gkiagia | classic, kickoff, lancelot... you name it |
| 22:34.21 | bernhard | i like the menu, but you have to scroll all the time |
| 22:34.27 | lilltiger | raptor.. :D |
| 22:34.28 | bernhard | would be better if it expanded |
| 22:34.29 | luna1 | i want raptor :D |
| 22:34.29 | idem | Alt+F2 <3 |
| 22:34.44 | idem | (ok, it'll take a few minutes, you know, the time to render the window :D) |
| 22:34.47 | gkiagia | bernhard: try to use alt+f2 more |
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| 22:35.02 | lilltiger | i just installed lancelot and is very impressed works like a charm |
| 22:35.02 | luna1 | nuño piñeiro is a genie |
| 22:35.03 | gkiagia | lol idem |
| 22:35.05 | luna1 | :D |
| 22:35.57 | bernhard | ye sometimes there are ugly graphic bugs^^ |
| 22:36.23 | gkiagia | bernhard: if you use nvidia, yes there are :D |
| 22:37.18 | luke-jr | nVidia fail! |
| 22:37.32 | bernhard | gkiagia, lolz, i thought nvidia were genius^^ |
| 22:37.36 | luke-jr | though there's not much else that DOES work with KDE yet |
| 22:37.45 | luke-jr | bernhard: no, nVidia is pure fail |
| 22:37.48 | gkiagia | we should show this channel's log to nvidia :P |
| 22:37.56 | bernhard | hr hr |
| 22:38.04 | luke-jr | gkiagia: please workaround the bugs with Radeon |
| 22:38.06 | gkiagia | bernhard: nvidia doesn't work well with kde4 |
| 22:38.06 | bernhard | so all ati fans? |
| 22:38.06 | luna1 | yah nothing works good at this time with 4 |
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| 22:38.19 | luke-jr | bernhard: Radeon has a bug that breaks it too |
| 22:38.19 | gkiagia | bernhard: no |
| 22:38.25 | luke-jr | apparently all the KDE devs use Intel |
| 22:38.28 | Pinaraf | nvidia latest beta drivers are much better than the previous drivers |
| 22:38.47 | Pinaraf | luke-jr: geforce 6/7 doesn't suffer from a lot of the bugs |
| 22:38.59 | gkiagia | yeah, if you don't have a legacy card, use the latest drivers |
| 22:39.01 | bernhard | Pinaraf, got a 7600 go |
| 22:39.04 | luke-jr | Pinaraf: Linux doesn't support 3D acceleration for nVidia tho |
| 22:39.07 | gkiagia | latest *beta* drivers |
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| 22:39.13 | Pinaraf | luke-jr: ????? |
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| 22:39.42 | luke-jr | Pinaraf: don't ââ? at me |
| 22:39.42 | Pinaraf | luke-jr: nVidia proprietary drivers support even things like CUDA or SLI |
| 22:39.46 | lilltiger | geforce 8/9 is usable with latest beta 177.68 for some users |
| 22:39.53 | gkiagia | Pinaraf: he probably means without the proprietary drivers |
| 22:39.55 | luke-jr | Pinaraf: those are illegal with Linux, and are not Linux |
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| 22:40.15 | Pinaraf | illegal ? it still hasn't be decided by lawyers, sorry |
| 22:40.20 | gkiagia | 7600 go should also work with the latest beta drivers |
| 22:40.27 | luke-jr | Pinaraf: that's why all IP lawyers agree that they're illegal? |
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| 22:40.29 | Pinaraf | I agree, they aren't linux |
| 22:40.33 | Kenjiro | hello good people |
| 22:40.45 | bernhard | btw, ugly system sounds |
| 22:40.46 | Pinaraf | and sure, it'd be better in a dream world to have free drivers |
| 22:40.49 | bernhard | startup is fine |
| 22:40.52 | lilltiger | 7 series suffer of text corruptin and stuff with latest beta.. |
| 22:40.54 | Pinaraf | but they can release the source |
| 22:40.55 | luke-jr | Pinaraf: Radeon and Intel aren't dreams |
| 22:41.02 | Pinaraf | and they probably have problems for 3D part |
| 22:41.09 | luke-jr | Pinaraf: so they can die |
| 22:41.10 | Kenjiro | I'd like to run "nvidia-settings --load-config-only" before kde starts. Which would be the best place to put that? |
| 22:41.20 | Pinaraf | radeon doesn't provide spec for 3D so far, as far as I remember |
| 22:41.29 | idem | [00:35:57] <bernhard> ye sometimes there are ugly graphic bugs^^ => it makes me think... isn't there a problem with the Quartz window decoration in KDE 4 ? |
| 22:41.32 | luke-jr | Pinaraf: Radeon has supported full 3D accel up to 9250 for decades |
| 22:41.33 | Kenjiro | I am planning to go back to KDM (for now I am running "startx", then .xinitrc would be a wise choice *grin*) |
| 22:41.38 | bernhard | Pinaraf, its market strategy |
| 22:41.39 | Pinaraf | sure, and ? |
| 22:41.41 | luke-jr | Pinaraf: up to X850 for years |
| 22:41.44 | Pinaraf | no ! |
| 22:41.52 | Pinaraf | X700 was plain broken two years ago |
| 22:41.55 | luke-jr | and the HD cards have new drivers in development FUNDED BY AMD/ATi |
| 22:41.56 | Pinaraf | I got one, I can assure you |
| 22:42.00 | Pinaraf | it is *not* 3D support |
| 22:42.03 | luke-jr | Pinaraf: I have an X850 |
| 22:42.09 | bernhard | Pinaraf, cause they havent got the money |
| 22:42.15 | Pinaraf | I couldn't play nexuiz for instance |
| 22:42.37 | Pinaraf | also, don't forget something : before the obfuscation of the nv driver, nvidia was developing it in a pure FOSS way |
| 22:42.41 | luke-jr | Pinaraf: also, Intel chips work great |
| 22:42.42 | bernhard | Pinaraf, nvidia instead wont show any source cause they compete with ati |
| 22:42.51 | Pinaraf | and also tried to add 3D support there |
| 22:42.56 | luke-jr | Pinaraf: the nv driver never supported more than 2D AFAIK |
| 22:42.57 | bernhard | plus they have the better drivers |
| 22:43.04 | Pinaraf | but they stopped it because of problems with stupid lawyers |
| 22:43.17 | Pinaraf | that's why they had to obfuscate it |
| 22:43.53 | luke-jr | either way, the reality is that Linux only supports 2D on nVidia cards |
| 22:44.01 | luke-jr | and it supports 3D on a lot of ATi cards |
| 22:44.03 | luke-jr | and all Intel chips |
| 22:44.22 | Pinaraf | nouveau supports partially 3D on some chips already |
| 22:44.36 | Pinaraf | and *decent* 3D support is not available on a lot of recent ATI cards. |
| 22:44.51 | Pinaraf | and intel chips aren't usable for heavy 3D usage or just GPU computation |
| 22:44.54 | luke-jr | Pinaraf: at least ATi is funding development of it |
| 22:45.04 | Pinaraf | luke-jr: sure, and ? |
| 22:45.05 | luke-jr | nVidia forces people to reverse engineer |
| 22:45.19 | Pinaraf | BTW, who did write the spec for, for instance, GLX_ext_texture_from_pixmap ? |
| 22:45.26 | Pinaraf | who is looking at implementing OpenGL3 ASAP ? |
| 22:45.38 | luke-jr | Pinaraf: proprietary crap doesn't count for ANYTHING |
| 22:45.49 | luke-jr | better nothing than proprietary crap |
| 22:45.55 | Pinaraf | I'm not speaking about proprietary right now, I'm speaking about facts. |
| 22:46.01 | Pinaraf | ATI never cared about OpenGL. |
| 22:46.02 | sandsmark | Pinaraf: the Xorg developers |
| 22:46.13 | sandsmark | and Zack, working on gallium =p |
| 22:46.18 | luke-jr | well, I highly doubt nVidia is going to implement OpenGL 3 in anything relevant/free |
| 22:46.19 | Pinaraf | sandsmark: strange, there was a "nvidia corporation" in the document somewhere |
| 22:46.27 | `andy` | More like: "We care about money" |
| 22:47.14 | sandsmark | Pinaraf: NVidia has their own, proprietary copy of texture from pixmap, iirc |
| 22:47.19 | gkiagia | *really* thinks we should create a #kde-nvidia channel... :/ |
| 22:47.24 | sandsmark | not compatible with the free drivers, afaik |
| 22:47.26 | Pinaraf | sandsmark: proprietary implementation, not copy |
| 22:47.29 | Pinaraf | and it is compatible |
| 22:47.38 | sandsmark | Pinaraf: no, compiz has a compatibility mode for it |
| 22:47.40 | sandsmark | because it wasn't |
| 22:47.54 | Pinaraf | it *wasn't*, now afaik it is |
| 22:48.10 | sandsmark | Pinaraf: anyways, you were full of shit =) |
| 22:48.17 | Pinaraf | I ?? |
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| 22:48.20 | sandsmark | but take it to #kde-chat |
| 22:48.50 | luke-jr | lol |
| 22:48.54 | Kenjiro | any hints? |
| 22:49.37 | gkiagia | Kenjiro: after all that... we are unable to find your question in the backlog, can you please ask again? |
| 22:49.50 | Kenjiro | gkiagia: ahahaha no problem |
| 22:50.16 | Kenjiro | I'd like to run "nvidia-settings --load-config-only" before kde starts. Which would be the best place to put that? |
| 22:50.20 | Kenjiro | I am planning to go back to KDM (for now I am running "startx", then .xinitrc would be a wise choice *grin*) |
| 22:50.28 | Pinaraf | sandsmark: get the facts : http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-April/015087.html |
| 22:50.41 | Kenjiro | traveled to the past and copied/pasted it ;) |
| 22:50.50 | gkiagia | Kenjiro: kde4 ? |
| 22:50.56 | Kenjiro | yes |
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| 22:51.26 | gkiagia | Kenjiro: in systemsettings->advanced there is a module for configuring applications to autostart |
| 22:51.30 | gkiagia | put it there |
| 22:51.38 | sandsmark | Pinaraf: isn't that a microsoft campaign? |
| 22:51.58 | Pinaraf | I don't think you can trademark a sentence, can you ? |
| 22:52.06 | Kenjiro | gkiagia: thanks |
| 22:52.17 | Pinaraf | and go just read the "contributor" part of the tfp spe |
| 22:52.17 | sandsmark | Pinaraf: from my quick skimming of that mail, it's just nvidia asking the free software community to help them fix their proprietary driver |
| 22:52.18 | Pinaraf | spec* |
| 22:52.32 | Kenjiro | gkiagia: will that make the program (nvidia-settings) run before kde is started? |
| 22:52.34 | sandsmark | oh |
| 22:52.38 | sandsmark | reads the mail =) |
| 22:52.46 | Kenjiro | nvidia guys tell me it should run before the WM |
| 22:52.53 | gkiagia | would it be possible to move the nvidia discussion to #kde-chat? |
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| 22:53.15 | gkiagia | Kenjiro: I think so |
| 22:53.28 | sandsmark | should be sleeping |
| 22:53.47 | Kenjiro | gkiagia: well, shouldn't hurt trying, right? ;) |
| 22:53.47 | gkiagia | Kenjiro: if it doesn't work, you could edit the "startkde" script, but that's too hackish |
| 22:53.54 | gkiagia | right |
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| 22:54.16 | Pinaraf | also, about ATI/AMD : remember that their spec were already available years ago, but they decided to stop it. I don't trust them because of this. |
| 22:54.20 | idem | had put the nvidia-settings call into /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 22:54.42 | Kenjiro | idem: that's another option ;) |
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| 22:59.25 | Kenjiro | idem: and that could even be /etc/kde/kdm/Xsession, right? ;) |
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| 23:00.22 | idem | On my machine, the last two lines of this file also call : |
| 23:00.26 | idem | # invoke global X session script |
| 23:00.26 | idem | . /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 23:02.20 | luke-jr | Pinaraf: nVidia's specs have NEVER been available |
| 23:03.11 | Pinaraf | now, would it be legal for them to release them ? not sure |
| 23:03.39 | Pinaraf | (moreover, the nouveau guys said they don't need spec, they need manpower) |
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| 23:06.47 | thefish | is there an alternative to kprinter in kde4? i have an app that uses |kprinter --stdin, can i just substitute something else? |
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| 23:18.31 | Tomasu | ooohhh kay, no pause for amarok2? |
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| 23:21.03 | luke-jr | Tomasu: mine has a pause |
| 23:23.05 | Tomasu | beta1? |
| 23:23.17 | Tomasu | pressing play or space restarts it. |
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| 23:24.18 | idem | is going to sleep |
| 23:24.20 | idem | 'night all |
| 23:24.23 | jazka | night |
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| 23:25.04 | illogic-al | Tomasu: file a bug (but check bko first) |
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| 23:28.00 | luke-jr | Tomasu: dunno, no speakers :þ |
| 23:28.11 | luke-jr | or rather, the speakers are way too far from the mouse/kb/monitor |
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