| 00:00.25 | Kraplax | how do i change the association between mimetype and application in KDE? |
| 00:00.37 | Kraplax | what file do i need to edit to get the result? |
| 00:00.53 | pinotree | kde3: kde control center â kde components â file associations |
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| 00:01.05 | pinotree | kde4: systemsettings â advanced â file associations |
| 00:01.07 | Kraplax | and kde4? |
| 00:01.15 | Kraplax | ok, thank you :) |
| 00:01.26 | Kraplax | hm... |
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| 00:01.56 | Kraplax | well, but how can i do the same but via editing files directly? |
| 00:02.05 | pinotree | why? |
| 00:02.28 | Kraplax | pinotree: the systemsetings is quite.. errr.. unavvilable on Windows :( |
| 00:02.47 | pinotree | kcmshell4 |
| 00:02.53 | pinotree | (command line application) |
| 00:04.00 | Kraplax | pinotree: it outputs nothing. andiirc it need some parameters to show you some dialogs |
| 00:04.17 | pinotree | passing --help is too hard? ;) |
| 00:04.36 | pinotree | anyhow, kcmshell4 filetypes will do |
| 00:05.37 | Kraplax | --help outputs nothing |
| 00:06.03 | Kraplax | but filetypes helped, thanks :) |
| 00:06.13 | pinotree | kcmshell4 --help, of course |
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| 00:08.07 | Kraplax | pinotree: i understood, but kcmshell4 --help gives no output :( |
| 00:08.16 | pinotree | weird |
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| 00:09.16 | Kraplax | well, yes. but considering it's a Windows that hosts KDE... |
| 00:09.28 | pinotree | ... it means nothing |
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| 00:21.48 | megametres | hello, I'd like to start easystroke before kdm but it does not work... I add "easystroke &" to /usr/share/config/kdm/Xsetup... anyone knows what I miss ? by the way, I would ideally like to start easy stroke as my non-root user... |
| 00:24.01 | Shirakawasuna | megametres: you could start it entirely separately in say... /etc/rc.local |
| 00:24.37 | Shirakawasuna | even as your user: su <youruser> -c "command" |
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| 00:25.10 | megametres | thanks Shirakawasuna, i'll dig that way :) |
| 00:25.31 | Shirakawasuna | :) |
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| 00:27.52 | megametres | testing... brb |
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| 00:34.24 | pedepy | hi |
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| 00:44.27 | megametres | it is weird, su megametres -c easystroke tells that root does not have access to X... |
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| 01:00.08 | AssociateX | what is a popular, easy to use, mailing list mailer app. |
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| 01:18.38 | runman | is there a way to toggle folderview on off ?? |
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| 01:21.52 | runman | anyone here? |
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| 01:39.14 | Snowball_ | hi! |
| 01:39.34 | Snowball_ | what is the directory name, which all "kontact" infos are saved in? |
| 01:39.56 | Snowball_ | I am talking about everything, mail, contacts, dates, whatever stuff I can do I the program called "kontact" |
| 01:40.03 | Snowball_ | my distro iis kubuntu 8.044 |
| 01:40.21 | Snowball_ | s/8.0.44/8.04/g; |
| 01:41.07 | Tomasu | kontact is more than one program.. it'll all be in ~/.kde* and ~/Mail most likely |
| 01:41.08 | Jucato | Snowball_: ~/.kde/share/apps/ (for KDE 3) or ~/.kde4/share/apps (KDE 4) under their respective applications (kmail korganizer, kaddressbook) |
| 01:41.58 | Snowball_ | Jucato, Tomasu: Well I do have a backup of an old harddrive which must be integrated into the new running system |
| 01:42.09 | Snowball_ | "kontact" has not been yet implemented on this installation |
| 01:42.24 | Snowball_ | I cannot copy the whole .kde/share/apps folder |
| 01:42.26 | Snowball_ | (kde3) |
| 01:42.34 | Snowball_ | because I would overwrite other programs too |
| 01:43.06 | Snowball_ | what is the exact name of the "mails" folder where all the mails AND account details are saved in, please? |
| 01:43.10 | Tomasu | youd have to copy the ones over you want, like kmail, kontact, akregator, knotes, etc |
| 01:43.19 | Tomasu | there is no single folder |
| 01:43.22 | Snowball_ | kk |
| 01:43.36 | Snowball_ | I'm gonna figure out what stuff I need to copy over |
| 01:43.44 | Snowball_ | Tomasu, Jucato thanx a lot! |
| 01:44.28 | Tomasu | ~/.kde/share/{apps,config}/kmail* should have all of the kmail stuff minus the actual emails |
| 01:44.47 | Tomasu | ~/Mail is where the actual mail is stored on my system |
| 01:44.48 | apt | ...but /mail is already something else... |
| 01:47.48 | Jucato | in kubuntu it would in ~/.kde |
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| 01:58.34 | Tomasu | Jucato: except ~/Mail is the defacto place to put the actual mail data. if ubuntu decided to move it thats another broken thing about *buntu ::) |
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| 01:59.17 | birnisson | Tomasu: defacto according to what? |
| 01:59.20 | Jucato | prefers to actually have in ~/.kde for consistency |
| 01:59.57 | Tomasu | birnisson: afaik thats where mail (mbox/maildir) is supposed to be stored on linux/unix |
| 02:00.04 | Tomasu | for individual users, once its delivered |
| 02:00.22 | Jucato | hmm? |
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| 02:08.51 | Snowball_ | Jucato, Tomasu: I copied the following directory: |
| 02:08.52 | Snowball_ | ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail |
| 02:08.56 | Snowball_ | and the following file: |
| 02:09.02 | Snowball_ | ~/.kde/share/config/kmailrc |
| 02:09.24 | Snowball_ | according to this "kmailrc" file, the mail direcotory is: |
| 02:09.27 | Snowball_ | ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/ |
| 02:09.33 | Tomasu | well thats good then |
| 02:09.34 | Jucato | Snowball_: there are other kmail config files in config/ too |
| 02:09.34 | Snowball_ | and I also copied this directory |
| 02:09.47 | Snowball_ | but I still cannot see my accounts in kmail |
| 02:09.53 | Snowball_ | Jucato, which ones please? |
| 02:10.00 | Tomasu | they start with kmail :P |
| 02:10.03 | Tomasu | usually |
| 02:10.36 | Snowball_ | lol |
| 02:10.36 | Snowball_ | thx |
| 02:10.43 | Tomasu | did you happen to upgrade which kde version you're using? |
| 02:10.49 | Jucato | ls ~/.kde/share/config/*mail* |
| 02:10.54 | Tomasu | I lost my accounts moving from 3.5.9 to 4.1 |
| 02:11.02 | Tomasu | the filters were fine though thankfully |
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| 02:12.13 | Snowball_ | k, I did so, but I still cannot see my account |
| 02:12.16 | Snowball_ | and my mails |
| 02:13.10 | Tomasu | that ls is only to show files... |
| 02:13.21 | Snowball_ | I did cp! |
| 02:13.51 | Tomasu | restart kmail? |
| 02:14.01 | Snowball_ | so I did |
| 02:14.18 | Snowball_ | no accounts in kmail |
| 02:14.23 | Snowball_ | and no old emails |
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| 02:38.04 | WeeJay | Hi! Anyone here using Kmail in KDE4? I am trying to get Korganizer to publish my calendar to a ical URL, but I can't get it to work. It works without any issues in Thunderbird. |
| 02:41.26 | aseigo | is using kontact in kde4, but haven't tried that yet |
| 02:41.33 | aseigo | WeeJay: try kdepim-users@kde.org .. great list |
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| 02:43.14 | WeeJay | Thanks Aaron. I'll try that next. |
| 02:43.33 | WeeJay | aseigo: By the way glad to see you blogging again |
| 02:43.41 | aseigo | WeeJay: =) |
| 02:44.00 | Jucato | there's also #kontact |
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| 02:44.12 | Jucato | then of course you could just ask aseigo ;) |
| 02:44.19 | WeeJay | Jucato: Thanks..ill make a quick pit stop there and check |
| 02:44.42 | Jucato | (that sounded a bit like the amazing race :P) |
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| 02:59.21 | Shirakawasuna | is anyone here aware of a simple hotkey for decreasing/increasing window opacity? I can't find one :/ |
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| 02:59.55 | Shirakawasuna | I'm >this< close to filing an annoying feature request for some of compiz's hotkeys... I don't tihnk people would like it, though :( |
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| 03:26.14 | Shirakawasuna2 | does anyone here know what happened to being able to save .war files? (website backups) |
| 03:26.20 | Shirakawasuna2 | that was extremely handy... |
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| 03:47.15 | testi | I just had to restart kopete to load a new module. That's a bit weird since it's called module, which means it should be modular. |
| 03:49.59 | rohanpm | train carriages are modular but you wouldn't try to attach two of them while the train is at full speed |
| 03:50.25 | testi | These days it's no problem to attach new modules at full speed |
| 03:50.37 | testi | Only aged software can't |
| 03:53.38 | rohanpm | Yes, that was just a silly analogy. Of course it should be possible, maybe simply no-one has put the necessary work towards it... |
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| 05:21.57 | criso_ | nogagplz, sup |
| 05:22.16 | criso_ | I've seen you before somewhere |
| 05:22.35 | nogagplz | criso_: Hehe, same. Can't remember where though >> |
| 05:22.46 | criso_ | #winehq... |
| 05:23.00 | criso_ | I try to make trouble every few days |
| 05:23.18 | nogagplz | ooh, that's right |
| 05:23.32 | criso_ | how's the weather in australia |
| 05:24.02 | criso_ | it's getting to be winter already here :/ |
| 05:24.18 | criso_ | time to get a job indoors.. |
| 05:26.08 | nogagplz | hehe, it's like the weather ish aving its period here. |
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| 05:26.26 | nogagplz | is having |
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| 05:45.08 | hateball | Like... a guide |
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| 07:20.46 | maelstrom | i have a "dead" notification frozen on top of all my windows |
| 07:20.53 | maelstrom | this is reminiscent of ms windows |
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| 08:51.04 | Guest39895 | how i add forum channel |
| 08:51.32 | annma | read the manual |
| 08:51.37 | Guest39895 | it is not on freenode server |
| 08:51.46 | annma | add a new server |
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| 08:56.04 | ForgeAus | to add a channel on IRC you simply /join #channelname |
| 08:56.11 | ForgeAus | if it doesn't already exist it creates a new one |
| 08:56.20 | ForgeAus | no matter what server... |
| 08:57.25 | ForgeAus | what you mean by forum channel however.. I have no idea |
| 08:59.10 | Caster | also running irc client as root == bad idea (tm) |
| 09:00.38 | ForgeAus | unless your in AndLinux perhaps but thats another story... (and its still non-secure) |
| 09:01.29 | Guest39895 | thx ,but what U mean with AndLinux is it program |
| 09:02.03 | ForgeAus | its a *nix subsystem for Windows (basically embeds Kubuntu using colinux) |
| 09:02.05 | Jucato | heh now you'll have to explain that :) |
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| 09:04.57 | Rasi | hi |
| 09:05.14 | Rasi | which variable do i have to export for kde apps to change language? |
| 09:05.24 | Rasi | LC_MESSAGES and LC_LANG was enough for my gtk apps |
| 09:05.30 | Rasi | kde/qt apps are still german |
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| 09:10.17 | pinotree | KDE_LANG |
| 09:15.16 | Rasi | pinotree: and QT_LANG? |
| 09:15.21 | Rasi | for stuff like PSI |
| 09:15.22 | pinotree | no |
| 09:15.49 | Rasi | i can set kde apps in systemsettings (or KDE_LANG, thanks), but pure qt apps remain german |
| 09:15.52 | freeedrich| | Okay.. I'm getting a strange bug, which seems to be .kde/ related. My keyboard doesn't work anymore in kde4. It simply doesn't take any input - CTRL + ALT + Backspace doesn't even work. Anyone got an idea which config file of kde might be causing this? Because.. well, it works fine with a clean user. |
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| 09:16.22 | pinotree | Rasi: kde can do exactly nothing for qt-only apps |
| 09:16.30 | Aleksander-pl | Hello. How can I force konqueror to show me huge icons in one folder, and tiny in all other ones? |
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| 09:17.41 | Rasi | pinotree: i know..thats why i need a variable |
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| 09:17.52 | pinotree | Rasi: there's no such thing |
| 09:18.23 | Rasi | wow.. so i cant have 2 users using the same qt program with 2 different languages? |
| 09:18.40 | Rasi | if it has no option to change it, of course |
| 09:18.48 | pinotree | as i said, that's not something kde can do much about |
| 09:19.02 | pinotree | this is purely matter of the programmes themselves |
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| 09:27.39 | Aleksander-pl | May I repeat: how can I force konqueror to show me huge icons in one folder, and tiny in all other ones? |
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| 09:33.19 | Jonas_[DE] | when i run konsole --workdir /foo/symlinkdir it does not open /foo/symlinkdir if its a symlink |
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| 09:47.36 | Jonas_[DE] | can somone verify if konsole --workdir /foo/symlinkdir fails? |
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| 09:56.53 | ForgeAus | I take it /foo/symlinkdir wasn't literal... |
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| 10:07.14 | Jonas_[DE] | ForgeAus, no just create an directory as symlink and try to open a console with konsole ... there |
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| 10:15.46 | Jonas_[DE] | ForgeAus, did it work on your KDE? |
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| 10:16.21 | binarycodes | i need to know what C-M-x is bound to in KDE, since thats needed in emacs |
| 10:16.35 | binarycodes | but KDE doesn't seem to pass on the keychord to emacs |
| 10:16.55 | Jucato | nothing by default afaik |
| 10:16.56 | binarycodes | how do i know what its bound to? |
| 10:17.31 | binarycodes | Jucato: when i do C-h k C-M-x without xserver, it works fine |
| 10:17.39 | Jucato | hm... |
| 10:17.41 | binarycodes | but inside konsole, it doesn't |
| 10:17.48 | binarycodes | not even inside urxvt |
| 10:17.52 | binarycodes | so ... |
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| 10:18.10 | binarycodes | oh its KDE4.1 btw |
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| 10:19.02 | Jucato | ah wait, M is Alt I forgot... |
| 10:19.07 | binarycodes | yes |
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| 10:25.30 | Jucato | binarycodes: found it! :) |
| 10:25.54 | Jucato | Klipper's Enable/Disable Clipboard Actions |
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| 10:26.14 | Jucato | right-click on Klipper -> Configure Klipper -> Shortcuts page |
| 10:26.50 | zlin | annma: ping |
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| 10:29.44 | binarycodes | Jucato: thanks a lot |
| 10:29.52 | binarycodes | that worked fine |
| 10:31.46 | Jucato | binarycodes: I discovered it by accident hahahah! |
| 10:32.07 | binarycodes | bravo, an accident saved the day for me |
| 10:32.10 | binarycodes | :) |
| 10:32.47 | Jejem | lol |
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| 10:38.03 | mjsilva | ppl am I the only one that my system tray icon disapear and every now and then just apear half of them? |
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| 10:40.19 | kervel | hello, anyone has a good tool for making quick (not necessary beautiful) mockups of a GUI |
| 10:40.36 | kervel | i used visio for that before (it has a stencil set with dropdown, button, ...) but i don't find any equivalent |
| 10:42.05 | Half-Left | kervel: kdevelop |
| 10:42.56 | kervel | Half-Left does kdevelop have a gui designer ? |
| 10:43.00 | Half-Left | yes |
| 10:43.14 | kervel | is it just an integrated qt designer or something else ? |
| 10:43.26 | Half-Left | Just Qt yes |
| 10:43.50 | kervel | ahh ... and do you know if there is a way in qtdesigner to make dropdowns in a listview ? |
| 10:43.58 | Half-Left | It does everythign you need design and programm |
| 10:44.04 | kervel | when i searched on the web i found "goya" |
| 10:44.13 | kervel | but i guess i cannot use that in qtdesigner |
| 10:44.38 | Half-Left | Go try it |
| 10:44.51 | Half-Left | I've not used it much myself so |
| 10:45.09 | kervel | already tried ... |
| 10:46.08 | Half-Left | Try #Qt or #oxygen for help on that |
| 10:46.26 | kervel | 'll try |
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| 10:47.05 | wers | how do I properly use compiz on kde4? |
| 10:47.08 | Half-Left | Is it specifically Qt your workign with? |
| 10:47.49 | Half-Left | wers: Properly? |
| 10:48.02 | ForgeAus | wers you don't need compiz with kde4 but if you insist, use compiz --replace (or is it just one hyphen I forgot) |
| 10:48.08 | Jucato | wers: System Settings -> advanced tab -> Session Manager , you can pick Compiz from the list of Window Managers to use. other than that, #compiz-fusion |
| 10:48.19 | wers | haha |
| 10:48.19 | Jucato | ForgeAus: he'll need some ccsm (whatever) stuff |
| 10:48.20 | ForgeAus | you also need the compiz-fusion decorator for kde (and or emerald) |
| 10:48.30 | ForgeAus | whats ccsm? |
| 10:48.33 | wers | i need some kind of ccsm for qt |
| 10:49.01 | Jucato | ForgeAus: compiz c*something settings manager I think |
| 10:49.16 | Jucato | wers: you don't need that. GTK apps run fine in KDE. |
| 10:49.29 | ForgeAus | oh yeah I think I remember that |
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| 10:49.58 | wers | Jucato, i'm having issues with virtual desktops and the window borders |
| 10:50.03 | binarycodes | c*something == config |
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| 10:50.17 | wers | i cant adjust the arrangement and number of virtual desktops with compiz |
| 10:50.21 | Jucato | binarycodes: compiz config settings manager? kinda redudant, so I might have something wrong :) |
| 10:50.28 | wers | as for the window borders, they just follow my gnome's settings |
| 10:50.43 | Morpheus | btw wers: yesterday i read a blog post about ccsm and kde 4: The good news for KDE users is: Lubos Lunak of Kwin4 fame is working on simple-ccsm-kde4, a GUI for managing compiz settings easily in KDE4 environment. (The good news for KDE users is: Lubos Lunak of Kwin4 fame is working on simple-ccsm-kde4, a GUI for managing compiz settings easily in KDE4 environment.) |
| 10:50.55 | Morpheus | sry.. the link is: http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2008/09/23/compiz-and-compiz-fusion-078-out/ |
| 10:51.02 | ForgeAus | wers theres a system tray and pager replacement for kde3 not sure what of that works for kde4 tho |
| 10:51.09 | Jucato | wers: 1. compiz viewports and KDE virtual desktops don't play nice together, you'll need to ask in #compiz-fusion about that. 2. I think you need kde-window-decorator |
| 10:51.28 | Half-Left | They will do, because it's a window manager and doen't respect kwin settings at all |
| 10:51.40 | binarycodes | Jucato: "CCSM, short for CompizConfig Settings Manager, is a configuration tool for Compiz Fusion." from compiz-fusion.org |
| 10:51.42 | wers | wow Morpheus. i hope to see it soon :D |
| 10:51.59 | Jucato | binarycodes: oh ok |
| 10:52.09 | Jucato | pfft Seli is giving in too much to this compiz crowd :P |
| 10:52.18 | ForgeAus | well some kinda window decorator anyway Jucato, I mean Emerald is optional too :) |
| 10:52.25 | wers | wait. i'll just switch to kde4. brb. haha |
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| 10:53.05 | ForgeAus | personally I'll be happy if/when Kwin gets a desktop cube :) I won't need/want compiz at all then |
| 10:53.33 | Jucato | (eww) |
| 10:53.37 | Jucato | KDE 4.2 then |
| 10:53.52 | binarycodes | 4.1 doesn't even have amarok |
| 10:53.52 | cb400f | .. or openSUSE or Mandriva with 4.1 :-) |
| 10:54.00 | annma | zlin: pong |
| 10:54.00 | binarycodes | maybe 4.5 will have a cube |
| 10:54.08 | annma | we have a cube |
| 10:54.13 | annma | 4.2 has one |
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| 10:54.20 | bonsaikitten | binarycodes: amarok is an independent project, they'll be done when they are done |
| 10:54.24 | Morpheus | I'm using the kwin desktop cube right now (latest svn revision :-D) |
| 10:54.26 | cb400f | and opensuse and mandriva have the cube backported |
| 10:54.35 | Jucato | binarycodes: amarok doesn't release at the same time as KDE. so KDE versions have nothing to do with whether Amarok will be released or not |
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| 10:55.01 | cb400f | and amarok is likely to release in the 4.1 time frame |
| 10:55.17 | binarycodes | ah ok, but i miss it nevertheless :( |
| 10:55.25 | Jucato | we'll see :) |
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| 10:55.38 | cb400f | if you'd tried the betas maybe you wouldn't mind using the kde3 version :-) |
| 10:56.34 | ForgeAus | rofl cb :) |
| 10:56.43 | smurfslover | kubuntu has nightly packages for amarok |
| 10:56.44 | Zarin | binarycodes, have a sphere: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/sphere-caps.png |
| 10:56.46 | smurfslover | works nice |
| 10:56.47 | binarycodes | haha, ya i used the beta for like 5hrs |
| 10:56.56 | smurfslover | much better than beta |
| 10:57.11 | annma | amarok maybe works nice but isn't finished |
| 10:57.17 | smurfslover | plasmoids work nice no |
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| 10:57.42 | cb400f | ooh |
| 10:57.57 | annma | cb400f: amarok is not stable yet |
| 10:57.57 | smurfslover | annma: i know but development goes fast :-) |
| 10:58.22 | smurfslover | kdepim is much more unstable than amarok is |
| 10:58.25 | annma | yes but saying it works nice is probably biased |
| 10:58.34 | smurfslover | and amarok does a very nice job on streams |
| 10:58.53 | smurfslover | it works nice for a work in development :-) |
| 10:58.53 | annma | nightly builds are more for bug reports and testing than for daily use |
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| 10:59.41 | wers | took me so long to switch. haha |
| 10:59.51 | annma | people nags at plasma missing a tiny feature but uses a beta amarok |
| 10:59.59 | annma | really weird |
| 11:00.16 | smurfslover | plasma behaves nice,, that's the most important right now |
| 11:00.35 | annma | glad you say so |
| 11:00.54 | smurfslover | i hardly had any crashes |
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| 11:01.31 | wers | i just noticed, the pager refreshes slowly whenever i switch to another desktop |
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| 11:05.26 | zlin | annma: query? |
| 11:06.02 | annma | yes |
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| 11:06.39 | dealer | my kopete 4.1.1 just can't connect to msn procolor, why? |
| 11:06.42 | dealer | protocol* |
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| 11:07.51 | boom1992 | dealer: probably #kopete |
| 11:10.21 | wers | does amarok really have its own volume control? hehe. it doesnt go with my kmix volume |
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| 11:13.26 | wers | when could the next version of kontact be? :D |
| 11:13.44 | wers | I mean, when could it be released? |
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| 11:32.09 | kodie | hello |
| 11:32.54 | kodie | anyone knows where can I find kde related dbus documentation? or how to activate window using dbus? |
| 11:33.06 | thiago | there isn't any |
| 11:33.34 | kodie | great:D |
| 11:34.01 | kodie | so any idea how to activate window using dbus? I've tried raise form QtWidget |
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| 11:38.00 | ForgeAus | /usr/bin/kdialogd-wrapper: line 23: kdialogd4: command not found |
| 11:38.00 | ForgeAus | ERROR: Could not talk to KDialogD!!! |
| 11:38.13 | ForgeAus | kgtk-wrapper keeps giving me that |
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| 11:47.17 | Xenius | I have koffice installed in slackware, but currently I running mandriva. http://pastebin.com/d1c80397e |
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| 11:47.48 | Xenius | I want to run kivio witour reboot |
| 11:50.14 | boom1992 | Xenius: I would reboot if I were you ;) |
| 11:50.18 | boom1992 | that'S much easier :P |
| 11:50.45 | Xenius | But it is not true way ^) |
| 11:51.10 | Half-Left | lol, the name Power Devil offended someone |
| 11:53.58 | Xenius | And, I want to have a solution for runnig software from other GNU/Linux installations |
| 11:57.33 | ForgeAus | Xenius, mixing distros can be dangerous, if not disastrous |
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| 11:58.14 | Xenius | what about Chroot? |
| 11:58.18 | ForgeAus | although with Kubuntu you tend to be able to copy most simple binary packages from slackware without too much difficulty (but if they're source packages it probably a whole other question |
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| 12:03.02 | Half-Left | Xenius: Not a kde question but why? |
| 12:03.32 | Xenius | kivio ÑÑ Ð·Ñке Ñа лÑааÑÑÑ |
| 12:03.41 | Xenius | is part of koffice |
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| 12:04.58 | Half-Left | eh? |
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| 12:38.46 | xAxellx | Hi everybody? Is there any way to change defaul charset for ntfs/fat partitions in dolphin? Kernel is configured, kde3's konqueror worked fine with it. |
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| 12:39.53 | annma | what about kde4 konqueror? |
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| 12:45.25 | ForgeAus | charset or font? |
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| 12:55.52 | damjan | xAxellx: dophin has nothing to do with ntfs or charsets |
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| 12:56.01 | damjan | xAxellx: what's your locale and locale charset? |
| 12:56.16 | xAxellx | ru_RU |
| 12:56.19 | damjan | (I'd suggest to always use UTF-8) |
| 12:56.28 | xAxellx | ah |
| 12:56.33 | damjan | xAxellx: ru_RU uses koi8? |
| 12:56.41 | xAxellx | yes. I have UTF-8. |
| 12:57.05 | xAxellx | but fat and ntfs partitions has cp866 codepage and cp1251 charset |
| 12:57.12 | xAxellx | I use UTF-8 now |
| 12:57.25 | xAxellx | ru_RU.UTF-8 |
| 12:57.59 | damjan | xAxellx: no, fat and ntfs use ucs-16 (unicode) |
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| 12:58.07 | xAxellx | It's ok with russian chars on linux, but since kde4 I can't work with vat/ntfs( |
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| 12:58.52 | xAxellx | anyway, my kernel configured to use cp866 & cp1251 with ntfs and konqueror was configured the same... |
| 12:58.53 | damjan | there's an option in the mount command which charset to use on the linux side ... on the disk side it's always ucs-16 |
| 12:59.12 | damjan | set it to use utf-8 |
| 12:59.39 | damjan | xAxellx: I use cyrillics too... mk_MK.UTF-8 |
| 12:59.44 | GNU\colossus | damjan: are you sure FAT does? |
| 13:00.02 | damjan | GNU\colossus: yes, vfat stores long file names in UCS-16 |
| 13:00.10 | GNU\colossus | ah ok, long filenames |
| 13:00.15 | GNU\colossus | that's a different matter :) |
| 13:00.23 | damjan | GNU\colossus: only the backward comaptible short-names are stored in some charset |
| 13:00.36 | damjan | GNU\colossus: but that's not used by anyone that knows to read the long file names |
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| 13:01.59 | damjan | xAxellx: and everything works for me, without much tinkering |
| 13:02.41 | xAxellx | and it worked for me before kde4.. I'll try to mount usb with optional charset now. |
| 13:02.45 | damjan | for ntfs, I use ... smth like this : /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g users,locale=en_US.utf8,uid=THE_ID_OF_THE_OWNER,gid=THE_ID_OF_THE_GROUP,noauto 0 0 |
| 13:03.06 | damjan | xAxellx: BTW when HAL mounts a usb, all is fine automagically |
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| 13:03.28 | xAxellx | yes, HAL mounts usbs in my system.. |
| 13:03.32 | damjan | I guess, it either finds my locale ... or maybe I have utf-8 setup as default in my kernel :) |
| 13:05.07 | damjan | xAxellx: I don't have anything special setup in Konq or Dolphin (or konsole for that matter) |
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| 13:05.35 | damjan | ... and I have no problem using cyrillic filenames on vfat usb disks |
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| 13:06.20 | xAxellx | I configured everything with kernel and so on (when I was setting up kde 3) and it didn't work in konqueror before I selected cp1251 for dos partitions |
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| 13:07.29 | damjan | that was probably working by mistake :) |
| 13:08.04 | damjan | xAxellx: my suggestion, create a new use.. make sure it uses the UTF-8 locale (run "locale -k charmap" to check) |
| 13:08.06 | annma | what distro xAxellx |
| 13:08.24 | damjan | xAxellx: play with your mount options until it works in konsole and dolphin |
| 13:08.26 | xAxellx | gentoo |
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| 13:08.29 | annma | ah |
| 13:08.40 | annma | I knew it was not an out-of-th-box distro |
| 13:08.46 | xAxellx | ) |
| 13:09.00 | annma | goes back to playing with Spip |
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| 13:09.38 | pinotree | annma: who/what? |
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| 13:13.23 | annma | pinotree: a website CMS |
| 13:14.02 | Jucato | annma: when/where? |
| 13:14.04 | Jucato | >:) |
| 13:14.28 | annma | where? on my machine when? not sure ;) |
| 13:14.35 | annma | why? for fun |
| 13:14.44 | annma | next? |
| 13:15.09 | Jucato | bah! you preempted my "how/why?" :D |
| 13:15.09 | alediaferia | annma: how are you? :P |
| 13:15.37 | annma | alediaferia: great thanks! nice blog and cool pic of you |
| 13:15.46 | annma | always nice to "see" people in real |
| 13:15.57 | alediaferia | annma: ohh thanks =) =) |
| 13:16.15 | Jucato | who what where? |
| 13:16.24 | Jucato | greps the planet |
| 13:16.28 | alediaferia | lol |
| 13:17.01 | Jucato | grr!! akregator searching is slooow |
| 13:17.07 | annma | a waffle recipe! |
| 13:17.15 | Jucato | er.. "filtering" |
| 13:17.21 | annma | we should do a recipee plasmoid |
| 13:17.27 | Jucato | only 3,020 articles to filter! how can it be slow? O.o |
| 13:17.43 | annma | you never read Planet |
| 13:17.50 | annma | or what |
| 13:17.52 | annma | ;) |
| 13:17.54 | Jucato | ah found it |
| 13:18.07 | annma | better use the link about people Jucato |
| 13:18.25 | Jucato | annma: that would be arguably much faster than filtering in akregator |
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| 16:01.09 | mdr | Any idea how I might fix Yahoo mail (web). It only partially works via konq/KDE 3.5.9 The compose letter "body" field will never get focus, show a cursor and allow editing. The other input fields i.e. To and Subject work. |
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| 16:01.36 | aseigo | mdr: you could try changing the user agent (under the tools menu) |
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| 16:02.07 | Jucato | or use the older version of yahoo's web interface? |
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| 16:02.29 | mdr | asseigo hmm, okay Never heard that term. What's a user agent and would I change it to? |
| 16:04.38 | Jucato | user agent = Browser Identification |
| 16:05.09 | mdr | oh you must mean browser identification. Well that sucks the all the webmasters will think everyone uses IE and never develop for anything else :-( |
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| 16:05.44 | mdr | It |
| 16:05.55 | mdr | It's a conspiracy! |
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| 16:08.30 | Jucato | use the firefox identification :) |
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| 16:24.13 | mdr | Ah, changing the user agent didn't work, but switching from "rich text" to "plain text" in yahoo's mail client fixed it. If you consider not allowing HTML a fix. |
| 16:26.15 | mdr | I'm moving from Thunderbird/firebird, trying the qt stuff. I've noticed, that Kmail doesn't allow me to insert hyperlinks to web pages. Or at least I havent figured out how to do this. Is it possible? |
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| 16:29.20 | mdr | I really like Kontact and Konq but little quircks like this are holding me back from a total switch. Would be nice to be 100% qt |
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| 16:38.32 | Dvyjones | Where can I get KNEtworkManager |
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| 16:41.07 | friedrich| | Dvyjones: look for it at kde-look.org |
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| 16:42.49 | Dvyjones | Umm |
| 16:42.53 | Dvyjones | it's an application |
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| 16:45.13 | Mirr | friedrich|: your distribution should provide packages? |
| 16:45.28 | dcoats | Dvyjones: check out knetworkconf |
| 16:46.40 | dcoats | Dvyjones: what distro are you using? |
| 16:48.07 | damjan | Dvyjones: http://en.opensuse.org/Projects/KNetworkManager |
| 16:48.20 | damjan | the download is at the bottom |
| 16:48.53 | SatManUK | can anybody tell me where i can obtain statistical information about distrobution market shares - how many use kde as default or gnome as default? or some kind of market share for KDE over Gmome? |
| 16:50.08 | Half-Left | What market share? :p |
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| 16:50.59 | Jucato | SatManUK: echoing Half-Left, "what market share?". but anyway, http://distrowatch.com/ |
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| 16:51.41 | Half-Left | KDE and GNOME are Desktop Enviroments |
| 16:52.08 | SatManUK | yes i know that |
| 16:52.28 | SatManUK | but as Desktop Environments im looking which have more usage |
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| 16:53.01 | SatManUK | are then any statistics to compare kde to gnome in any way? |
| 16:53.12 | Jucato | see link above ^^^ |
| 16:53.24 | Half-Left | insert your random satistics "here" |
| 16:53.31 | Jucato | "statistics are not everything" though |
| 16:54.04 | SatManUK | i know but im putting together a presentation for my course |
| 16:54.39 | SatManUK | and i need to compare different distro's top 10's kde v gnome, linux v win xx / mac os etc |
| 16:54.42 | Half-Left | Good luck with that |
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| 16:54.58 | SatManUK | thanks Half-Left |
| 16:55.01 | Jucato | like I said, see the link above ^^^ |
| 16:55.15 | SatManUK | i been on distrowatch but what it doesn't do is give any figures |
| 16:55.17 | Jucato | it lets you search by desktop environment |
| 16:55.39 | Jucato | well, then I can only echo Half-Left again, "Good luck with that" |
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| 16:57.25 | SatManUK | thanks Jucato |
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| 16:57.38 | SatManUK | and btw .. KDE 4.1 rocks so cheers guys (checks im not in ##gnome) |
| 16:57.48 | Half-Left | SatManUK: What I meant to say was, Good luck with that, you'll need it |
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| 16:58.03 | Jucato | wasn't being as sarcastic as Half-Left though :) |
| 16:58.20 | Half-Left | :p |
| 16:58.34 | SatManUK | im trying to stay independent for this project even though in opensuse 11 - kde 4.1 all the way |
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| 16:59.51 | Half-Left | Well it's the data that very hard to get and what data there is is up to interpretation |
| 17:00.50 | Jucato | not to mention too broad and unreliable (desktop default may or may not be representative of actual number of users) |
| 17:00.52 | Half-Left | i.e you can'y say everyone who is on Ubuntu is using gnome, or Opensuse using kde |
| 17:01.24 | Jucato | well it's easier in Ubuntu, you can make a generalization. but that's not statistical :) |
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| 17:01.39 | Half-Left | hehe yer |
| 17:01.50 | Jucato | opensuse, debian, gentoo, etc. doesn't have an actual default and lets you choose at install time. so that's going to be difficult to measuer |
| 17:01.54 | Jucato | etc etc etc |
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| 17:02.57 | Half-Left | Jucato: Lets have a fight or what market share scraps we have |
| 17:03.07 | Jucato | I'd rather go to bed |
| 17:03.12 | Jucato | which is what I should be doing at this hour O.o |
| 17:03.17 | Half-Left | :) |
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| 17:03.52 | SatManUK | 18:03? |
| 17:03.56 | SatManUK | hardly... |
| 17:04.13 | Jucato | Thu Sep 25 01:02:08 PHT 2008 |
| 17:04.41 | SatManUK | Wed Sep 24 18:04:20 BST 2008 |
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| 17:05.07 | SatManUK | Jucato: you in the Phillapines? |
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| 17:05.30 | Jucato | nods |
| 17:05.53 | WantIt_ | Hi y'all i installed kdebase on my ZenWalk but the kde option does not appear at the GDM sessions list... how can i fix it ? or how can i install the KDM ??? |
| 17:06.51 | Jucato | WantIt_: you'll have to ask about it in #zenwalk or whatever channel they have. they're the ones that (should) know which package installs which |
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| 17:09.55 | WantIt_ | Jucato: is it about kdm !? does it not come with kdebase !? |
| 17:11.13 | Jucato | kdm does come with kdebase, but you wouldn't absolutely need it to log into a KDE 4 session. but any login manager would need to have the correct files to make KDE 4 available as an option |
| 17:11.47 | Jucato | usually in something like /usr/share/xsessions. it's distro-dependent |
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| 17:13.16 | WantIt_ | Jucato: aight... what if I wanna start it by command line, how to do it ? kde-session ? |
| 17:13.57 | Half-Left | WantIt_: Most distros split them up so not really |
| 17:14.35 | Half-Left | Thats why we say ask your distro channel, we answer source kde specific questions |
| 17:16.21 | Half-Left | startkde |
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| 17:50.59 | tested | second time installing kubuntu w/ kde4.1 this week. both times the plasma panel quit showing up when i booted up. any suggestions? |
| 17:52.14 | buscher | delete/move plasmarc and try again? |
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| 17:53.18 | tested | buscher: but then how do i reinstall? i have no connectivity as knetwork isnt loading either |
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| 17:55.01 | buscher | no I mean the plasmarc config file |
| 17:55.39 | tested | ahh |
| 17:56.25 | buscher | should be .kde4.1/share/config/plasmarc or somewhere there |
| 17:56.30 | buscher | but backup |
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| 17:57.23 | tested | buscher: you have been a great help thanks |
| 17:57.55 | o0Chris0o | how would I find out if kopete is planning on adding a feature and/or to request a feature for the notification bubble? |
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| 18:01.42 | jmob | Is there a programmtic way to detect KDE? |
| 18:02.57 | jmob | I'd like to drop a .protocol file in $KDEDIR/services/thing.protocol if KDE is present |
| 18:03.28 | wstephenson | jmob: $(kde-config) |
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| 18:03.58 | wstephenson | jmob: also kde4-config |
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| 18:05.59 | wstephenson | o0Chris0o: ask in #kopete |
| 18:06.09 | o0Chris0o | ty |
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| 18:07.31 | ruschi | Hi I installed ubuntu 8.10 with kde4 yesterday - I am new to kde4 and miss some things in the manuals: 1.) how do I place an application Icon (like for konsole)for easier access in the panel |
| 18:08.24 | ruschi | 2.) how do I enable hotkeys - they are set in kmenuedit (WIN+E) for konqueror but nothing happens. it used to work with kde 3.5.1 |
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| 18:10.16 | ruschi | for 1.) the FAQ says : to open panel-menu and choose "add to panel" - I only have "Add Widget" or "Add Panel" |
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| 18:11.19 | ruschi | the beloved Kcontrolcenter is gone too.... :( |
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| 18:11.28 | wstephenson | ruschi: try it with the K menu, not the panel menu |
| 18:12.02 | wstephenson | (1)) |
| 18:12.46 | ruschi | I don't get it. its called "Application launcher settings" - I can't rigthclick anything there |
| 18:13.13 | wstephenson | ruschi: sorry, open the menu. find the app you want to add to the panel. right click its icon |
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| 18:13.35 | wstephenson | (and i hope your kubuntu has KDE 4.1, i don't think it worked in vanilla KDE 4.0.x) |
| 18:13.52 | ruschi | it is 4.1 |
| 18:14.28 | ruschi | i can't rightclick any menu item to get a context menu - it just launches the app |
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| 18:14.55 | ruschi | cool - got it |
| 18:15.15 | ruschi | I changed to "kickoff-style" |
| 18:16.23 | wstephenson | ruschi: with the old menu you can DND to the panel instead of right clicking. |
| 18:16.28 | wstephenson | s/can/must/ |
| 18:16.43 | ruschi | haha - thanks alot |
| 18:20.53 | ruschi | next strange behaviour - not all icons are shown - when putting firefox in the panel I only get a gears-icon |
| 18:21.10 | ruschi | konsole icon and emacs icon works |
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| 18:24.36 | ruschi | got it - the firefox-icon is a symbolic link within /usr/share/pixmaps |
| 18:25.00 | localh0st | Yo |
| 18:25.01 | Shambuku | kde should produce business software |
| 18:25.23 | sandsmark | localh0st: sup |
| 18:25.32 | localh0st | ;] |
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| 18:26.21 | sandsmark | localh0st: This new doggyfizzle televizzle gon' be off the hizzle, fo shizzle |
| 18:26.46 | sandsmark | Shambuku: like http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kraft?content=54172 |
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| 18:28.57 | localh0st | sandsmark: i doesnt know what do u mean :/ |
| 18:29.24 | sandsmark | oh, sorry, I was trying to do some gangstah talkin' |
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| 18:29.51 | o0Chris0o | how do I do a full upgrade to 4.1 from 3.5.9 |
| 18:30.24 | wstephenson | o0Chris0o: this isn't #kubuntu either :) |
| 18:30.34 | o0Chris0o | oops :D |
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| 18:34.58 | ruschi | anyone knows a solution to the hotkeys problem? - I have searched in System Settings->Service manager and found Khotkeys is not running but I found no way to start this service |
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| 18:35.47 | localh0st | ruschi: hotkeys / xhotkeys check |
| 18:36.18 | ja1 | Hi! I just installed Kubuntu 8.04 KDE4 amd64. It sure looks nice, but there is graphics bugs when moving windows, opening dropdown menus etc, and also the system hangs from time to time. What could be wrong? Should I try Gnome at 64 bit or should I go for a 32 bit system, putting the power of 64 aside? Or is these problems fixable? |
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| 18:37.09 | localh0st | ja1: are enabled visual effects of kwin? |
| 18:37.32 | ja1 | localh0st: Yes. |
| 18:37.37 | ja1 | Trying to disable |
| 18:37.47 | localh0st | And drivers for video card are installed? |
| 18:38.24 | localh0st | (u have to configure xorg.conf for this) |
| 18:38.39 | ja1 | localh0st: No, actually they're probably generic. That might be the solution. |
| 18:38.43 | wstephenson | localh0st: the distro should take care of xorg.conf for him.... |
| 18:38.57 | Shambuku | Kraft 0.25 , ok let me rephrase kde should release a complete business software |
| 18:39.06 | wstephenson | ja1: ask in the #kubuntu channel how to get the latest video card drivers |
| 18:39.08 | Shambuku | 1.00 |
| 18:39.27 | localh0st | wstephenson: yeah, but if drivers will be not installed, xorg.conf should use old configuration, eg. with vesa driver |
| 18:39.38 | wstephenson | ja1: or work without 3d effects... |
| 18:40.01 | localh0st | ja1: type in console: " glxgears -info" if you use nvidia video card |
| 18:40.21 | wstephenson | localh0st: tbh i don't know how it works on kubuntu.. |
| 18:40.35 | ja1 | localh0st: Without effect it works better. But not as nice looking. ;) |
| 18:40.47 | wstephenson | Shambuku: we are KDE. it's up to us to take care of the 'shoulds' |
| 18:40.53 | localh0st | wstephenson: i dont know too, but i think he should configure xorg himself |
| 18:41.08 | ja1 | Do anyone know how to add a "show desktop button", like I had in my old Slackware KDE? |
| 18:41.20 | Shambuku | yeah true, but why can't kde developers create a business suite |
| 18:41.27 | localh0st | ja1: check in plasmoid |
| 18:41.29 | localh0st | s |
| 18:41.29 | Shambuku | a good one |
| 18:41.32 | localh0st | plasmoids* |
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| 18:41.49 | wstephenson | Shambuku: because the current population of kde devs are all busy? |
| 18:41.54 | wstephenson | need to *multiply |
| 18:42.12 | localh0st | :D |
| 18:42.23 | Shambuku | well i want business software lol |
| 18:42.30 | Shambuku | so make it damnit |
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| 18:43.00 | localh0st | ja1: imho2, kde 4.1.1 isnt good for desktop yet |
| 18:43.15 | localh0st | Its still to most buggy |
| 18:43.30 | wstephenson | ja1: there is a show desktop button in the plasmoid list. |
| 18:43.34 | localh0st | bugs |
| 18:43.37 | localh0st | or something :P |
| 18:44.23 | ja1 | Plasmoids? I only have plasmoidviewer... No, I probally should go for the older KDE. |
| 18:44.32 | fred | ja1: click the peanut |
| 18:44.35 | fred | click 'add widget' |
| 18:44.41 | fred | drag the 'view desktop' thingy to your panel |
| 18:44.42 | localh0st | ja1: right-top |
| 18:44.44 | ja1 | But there was some security probems with Kubuntu 7.x so I figured I try this new out. |
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| 18:45.06 | fred | oops, 'show desktop' even |
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| 18:46.48 | wstephenson | ja1: it's up to every user to know how work-in-progress-tolerant they are. |
| 18:46.59 | wstephenson | hey fred :) |
| 18:47.01 | ja1 | fred: The peanut only says Add widget, and then I get a list which I cant find any View Desktop. How to update the Add widget? |
| 18:48.08 | localh0st | ja1: meybe you must install a package with more plasmoids, check in eg. adept |
| 18:48.34 | ja1 | debian systems are new to me... |
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| 18:49.41 | localh0st | ja1: its simple, easy to use |
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| 18:50.09 | ja1 | I was on Red hat and slackware before. |
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| 18:50.30 | localh0st | Slackware, ble :/ |
| 18:50.43 | ja1 | Now I cant sudo adept-manager... what to do? |
| 18:50.43 | localh0st | Slackware is evil, i love Arch Linux |
| 18:51.05 | ja1 | Well, as long as it has a linux kernel... |
| 18:51.09 | localh0st | adept only, if you have it installed |
| 18:51.12 | fred | ja1: 'show desktop', not 'view desktop' |
| 18:51.15 | fred | hugs slackware |
| 18:51.41 | localh0st | fred: arch better :) |
| 18:51.47 | ja1 | No adept, but _manger, _updater, _notifyer, _installer |
| 18:51.50 | wstephenson | fred: sic the slack attack dogs on him ;) |
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| 18:52.49 | localh0st | ja1: adept have gui :x |
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| 18:55.32 | localh0st | ja1: try: apt-get find plasmoid or apt-get search plasmoid - i dont remember |
| 18:57.04 | ja1 | Goddamnit, there is like a million packages not installed on my machine! :/ |
| 18:57.55 | ja1 | Invalid options, find, search |
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| 18:58.11 | localh0st | ok, i dont remeber it |
| 18:58.16 | Salze_ | apt-cache search |
| 18:58.24 | \marco | rev 864402 of akonadi not compiling here :( |
| 18:58.26 | localh0st | Right! |
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| 18:59.00 | ja1 | apt-cache search plasmoids ran, but gave no message |
| 18:59.15 | Salze_ | Did you enter the ppa in sources.lst? |
| 18:59.17 | localh0st | type " plasmoid" |
| 18:59.39 | ja1 | with space? |
| 18:59.50 | localh0st | nope |
| 18:59.58 | localh0st | In apt-cache search plasmoid |
| 19:00.09 | ja1 | Nothing comes out. |
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| 19:00.33 | Salze_ | Which distro? |
| 19:01.04 | ja1 | Salze_: Asking me? kubuntu |
| 19:01.13 | Salze_ | Did you enter the ppa in sources.lst? |
| 19:01.26 | wstephenson | the package is called "kde4-plasma-addons" on opensuse, fwiw. |
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| 19:02.01 | Salze_ | kdeplasma-addons on kubuntu. |
| 19:02.03 | wstephenson | \marco: are you hacking on akonadi? |
| 19:02.54 | \marco | wstephenson: no.. I'm using svn version with a gentoo overlay |
| 19:02.57 | ja1 | Hmm, I get nothing, no messages. |
| 19:03.12 | Salze_ | Did you enter the ppa in sources.lst? <- @ ja1 |
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| 19:03.29 | ja1 | Salze: No. searching for sources.lst.... |
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| 19:04.02 | Casperin | if /:sysinfo does not exist, how do I find my specs on the laptop I am on? |
| 19:04.06 | ja1 | kfind doesnt run. What is this???! |
| 19:04.31 | Salze_ | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:04.35 | wstephenson | \marco: i was going to say "use your distro packages" but i'll shut up. |
| 19:04.36 | ja1 | thanks |
| 19:04.44 | \marco | wstephenson: ehehe :) |
| 19:05.17 | Salze_ | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main |
| 19:05.41 | Salze_ | That is the line you have to add for 4.1.1 |
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| 19:06.06 | Salze_ | And then you should have kdeplasma-addons, too. |
| 19:06.07 | ja1 | Darn, What gvim do I want? vim-gnome, vim-nox, -gtk, -tiny? Whats the diff? |
| 19:06.36 | Salze_ | Don't know. I use nano for shell and kate for gui. |
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| 19:06.57 | wstephenson | ja1: probably -gtk unless you want to pull in a load of gnome deps |
| 19:07.03 | ja1 | Salze: gvim is nice, as you can compile your source in it. |
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| 19:07.16 | Salze_ | I have no source. :-D |
| 19:07.29 | wstephenson | :make works in every vim |
| 19:07.33 | levon | hello |
| 19:07.48 | levon | ? |
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| 19:08.04 | tstaerk | wow, 411 participants here |
| 19:08.09 | ja1 | my normal vim doesnt start... So many things that doesnt start. Strange. |
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| 19:08.46 | wstephenson | ja1: blame plasma ;) |
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| 19:08.53 | ja1 | :) |
| 19:09.04 | wstephenson | (joke! joke!) |
| 19:10.37 | vpilo | Hi, I usually use kde4-svn via kdesvn-build, and I always get a working Phonon.. Today I've recompiled again after a clean install, but Phonon has no available backends, and the CMake log just tells it can't find GStreamer.. but I have always used the Xine backend, and Xine is installed! |
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| 19:12.21 | localh0st | Ok, i think *ubuntu sucks |
| 19:12.23 | localh0st | :D |
| 19:12.25 | localh0st | Cya |
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| 19:14.59 | ja1 | (finally gvim running) |
| 19:15.44 | wstephenson | :set happy |
| 19:15.57 | ja1 | hehe |
| 19:16.03 | ja1 | Now, What is ppa? |
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| 19:17.46 | Half-Left | 4.1.2 tagged soon |
| 19:17.50 | Half-Left | yay |
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| 19:19.54 | ja1 | Salze: What should I enter in source.list? A url to plasmoids? |
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| 19:20.55 | vpilo | uhh do I need to enable any module in kdesvn-buildrc to enable Phonon backends?? |
| 19:21.10 | wstephenson | ja1: #kubuntu may be more informative |
| 19:21.42 | ja1 | going for #kubuntu, thanks for all help here! |
| 19:21.43 | wstephenson | vpilo: i just use binary packages for everything below kdelibs |
| 19:21.53 | Salze_ | [21:05] <Salze_> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main |
| 19:21.53 | Salze_ | [21:05] <Salze_> That is the line you have to add for 4.1.1 |
| 19:21.55 | Salze_ | @ja1 |
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| 19:22.15 | ja1 | ok |
| 19:22.35 | vpilo | wstephenson: naaah, I'm developing a kde4.2 app, and also I want to contribute.. binaries aren't an option ;) |
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| 19:23.41 | wstephenson | vpilo: same here - but i'm not hacking on phonon, akonadi, soprano, strigi themselves. |
| 19:24.21 | vpilo | mmmm good point |
| 19:25.14 | vpilo | i need to make uninstall some stuff, brb :D |
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| 19:27.53 | wstephenson | vpilo: that's why we make devel patterns like this so ppl can get hacking with minimal hassle: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/UNSTABLE:/Desktop/openSUSE_11.0/KDE4-DEVEL.ymp |
| 19:30.37 | vpilo | wstephenson: Now that you've pointed that 1click installer to me, I remember why i did install everything in the first place... IIRC, something above kdelibs didn't work with suse packages |
| 19:30.54 | vpilo | so I just threw everything out and installed everthing from source |
| 19:30.58 | vpilo | but it was looong ago |
| 19:31.01 | wstephenson | vpilo: oh? i'm very interested to know that. |
| 19:31.02 | vpilo | around 4.0.67 |
| 19:31.07 | vpilo | maybe before |
| 19:31.13 | wstephenson | ok ancient history |
| 19:31.17 | vpilo | yep ;) |
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| 19:31.31 | wstephenson | but if something like that happens just tell us and we will fix the packages |
| 19:31.49 | vpilo | after that I just kept updating.. until today that I've wiped the system :P |
| 19:31.53 | vpilo | sure! |
| 19:32.00 | wstephenson | chances are it's already fixed because kde dashboard runs on those packages and it compiles almost every commit |
| 19:32.06 | vpilo | ah something i noticed |
| 19:32.10 | vpilo | I can't compile kstars |
| 19:32.12 | wstephenson | in #opensuse-kde |
| 19:32.17 | vpilo | it can't find libnova |
| 19:32.27 | vpilo | and it's not in the standard repos |
| 19:32.45 | vpilo | (further discussions will go in that channel) |
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| 19:34.27 | pothibo | is phonon part of QT now ? |
| 19:34.52 | guax | yes |
| 19:35.18 | pothibo | weird I am trying to build kde and it says phonon include are not found, but qt 4.4.2 is |
| 19:36.00 | guax | its compiled with phonon support? |
| 19:36.20 | pothibo | I'm using the OpenSuSe package.. |
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| 19:38.06 | pothibo | found it, I had to install libphonon4-devel |
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| 19:41.08 | wstephenson | pothibo: you weren't here earlier were you? http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/UNSTABLE:/Desktop/openSUSE_11.0/KDE4-DEVEL.ymp |
| 19:41.21 | wstephenson | will grab libphonon4-devel and every other build dep |
| 19:41.32 | pothibo | wstephenson: nop. |
| 19:41.58 | wstephenson | pothibo: also any feedback on http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Developing/Guide is welcome |
| 19:42.01 | pothibo | wstephenson: yeah, I just said something about that on #opensuse-kde |
| 19:42.12 | wstephenson | ah |
| 19:42.13 | wstephenson | looks |
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| 19:46.49 | vpilo | pothibo: lol I needed to install libphonon4-devel, too.. thanks! |
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| 19:48.11 | pothibo | vpilo: :) |
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| 20:23.13 | kev009 | can someone help me make sense of this? it seems that kde4 qt4engine is causing me firefox crashes. http://rafb.net/p/V7KQha24.html |
| 20:24.04 | pinotree | kev009: we don't develop nor support these kind of qt-gtk engines |
| 20:24.49 | mdr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.59 | Half-Left | errr no |
| 20:25.01 | gkiagia | kev009: gtk-qt is known to cause much trouble but this looks like a flash problem |
| 20:25.46 | gkiagia | or maybe not, who knows.. stupid gtk debugging messages... |
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| 20:25.53 | mdr | It seems flash is root of much evil |
| 20:26.42 | nick125 | s/much/all |
| 20:27.04 | gkiagia | yeah :P |
| 20:27.29 | kev009 | hmm, I just bumped to 3.0.2 which could cause it |
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| 20:28.00 | kev009 | I rebuilt nspluginwrapper but no luck damn adobe and their 32bits |
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| 20:28.23 | gkiagia | kev009: just change the theme and see if that's the problem... |
| 20:28.53 | gkiagia | kev009: it also complains about a missing soundwrapper executable |
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| 20:32.51 | kev009 | hmm, removing the gtk-engines-qt did not solve it |
| 20:33.07 | kev009 | must be a pluginwrapper/ff 3.0.2 bug |
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| 20:33.34 | kev009 | gkiagia: do you know what provides soundwrapper? google shows it was an alsa/esd picker |
| 20:33.44 | magyar_ | hi, where can i find my kontact addressbook file? |
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| 20:33.54 | flithm | hey everyone... is there a way to change the colours of the highlight bar in kate 4? It's very yellow on white right now, kind of burning my retinas :) |
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| 20:35.40 | gkiagia | kev009: no idea |
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| 20:37.24 | o0Chris0o | nice, love intrepid alpha 6 |
| 20:37.32 | o0Chris0o | mucho improvement :D |
| 20:37.47 | o0Chris0o | Thanks Devs! continue the great work! :D |
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| 20:55.56 | vpilo | Is there a reasson why get hot new stuff isn't working for Plasma applets? |
| 20:56.16 | vpilo | -s |
| 20:57.44 | aseigo | vpilo: lack of scripted plasmoids on kde-look.org atm |
| 20:57.44 | aseigo | vpilo: hopefully will change with 4.2 |
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| 20:58.05 | vpilo | aseigo: yay, i'll wait and browse the site manually then :) thanks! |
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| 20:58.39 | o0Chris0o | whats with the + and - on folders and files? |
| 21:00.54 | bonsaikitten | o0Chris0o: you can use them to select multiple files |
| 21:01.09 | bonsaikitten | like holding down ctrl and selecting them, only more mouse-oriented |
| 21:02.34 | o0Chris0o | bonsaikitten: True, but I don't see why that should be implemented since the mouse can easily select all |
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| 21:02.44 | o0Chris0o | instead of point and click |
| 21:02.52 | o0Chris0o | your still using the mouse :D |
| 21:02.56 | bonsaikitten | I think it is a convenient feature that allows to select random items with the mouse |
| 21:03.05 | bonsaikitten | better than having to use the keyboard ;) |
| 21:03.32 | o0Chris0o | yes, but if you accidently over shoot the the + button, your going to open the file up |
| 21:04.17 | o0Chris0o | I see, how it is a good idea I suppose :D |
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| 21:04.32 | o0Chris0o | will there be an option to turn that off? |
| 21:05.52 | Radiergummi | KDE 3.5.9: system notifications don't work, Test Sound button in Sound System does not work, artsd is running but with non-root UID. plezz halp. |
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| 21:07.51 | Radiergummi | (addendum: other sound works, including amarok, wine) |
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| 21:09.46 | Radiergummi | addendum 2: 2 instances of artsd are running, and i don't know whether that's important, but one has root UID |
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| 21:29.54 | Half-Left | wonders why dolphin or Ark dont open .bz2 files |
| 21:30.03 | afief | is it possible to get basic compression functionality in dolphin? like "compress these files into tar.gz" |
| 21:30.36 | pinotree | that's not dolphin, but ark |
| 21:31.10 | SatManUK | im back 5 hours after scolding my hand ouch - still trying to figure where to find kde market share in comparison to Gnome i can't find it on Distrowatch? |
| 21:31.30 | afief | pinotree, yeah but isn't there some kind of integration? selecting the files in dolphin and having ark compress them? |
| 21:31.36 | Half-Left | SatManUK: Didn't we tell you that would happen? |
| 21:32.02 | pinotree | afief: not before kde 4.2 |
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| 21:32.23 | SatManUK | Half-Left: not about scolding my hand - but i guess just nobody actually cares about market shares within linux only linux v windows? |
| 21:32.34 | Half-Left | afief: kde-apps.org has one |
| 21:32.49 | SatManUK | i note BSD usage doesn't even count for 0.01% of all usage |
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| 21:33.09 | Half-Left | SatManUK: Depends on your view but Linux only has about less than 1% so |
| 21:33.13 | SatManUK | could it be there are more Symbian users via mobile phones than BSD? |
| 21:33.26 | hays | I would bet Gnome is pretty high |
| 21:33.30 | SatManUK | according to W3 Linux actually now holds 2.0% of the market share |
| 21:33.50 | hays | so many mainstream distros default to it.. although the story may be different in EU |
| 21:34.00 | Half-Left | Well again thats wrong because mostly it's accepted as 1% |
| 21:34.04 | afief | Half-Left, one what? |
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| 21:34.16 | SatManUK | Windows 2k has 2.7% |
| 21:34.20 | Half-Left | afief: Extrac script for dolphin |
| 21:34.29 | hays | i run win2k at work |
| 21:34.52 | afief | Half-Left, wait... I can add scripts and have them operate on the selected files in dolphin? |
| 21:34.54 | SatManUK | interesting to note also that XP has 74% market share and Vista only 11% |
| 21:35.06 | Half-Left | SatManUK: Linux is not a money making company so it's not a issue, market share dont mean much to us |
| 21:35.13 | SatManUK | hays at college we have an entire network running windows xp pro.. |
| 21:35.19 | SatManUK | i know that |
| 21:35.27 | Half-Left | afief: Go look for it |
| 21:35.32 | SatManUK | but i was asked to gather statistical information about it thats all |
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| 21:35.42 | hays | Half-Left: it means something though |
| 21:35.51 | Radiergummi | anyone want to help me turn event notification sounds on? |
| 21:35.56 | Half-Left | SatManUK: Right which is what we said, it's so hard to do |
| 21:36.05 | SatManUK | yeah i know |
| 21:36.15 | Half-Left | Thats why you can't get your answer easy |
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| 21:36.55 | SatManUK | this site looks interesting http://counter.li.org/reports/ |
| 21:36.58 | Radiergummi | Test Sound in Sound System dialog doesn't produce any sound, but other programs can produce sound |
| 21:37.19 | Radiergummi | there are two instances of artsd running and one of them is as root |
| 21:37.41 | Half-Left | hays: Not really, because market share doesn't benefit most of us, it can actually be bad so |
| 21:38.18 | SatManUK | i don't intend publishing these reults its just for a class.. |
| 21:38.21 | hays | I think increased marketshare has helped firefox |
| 21:38.31 | Half-Left | You only need to lok at Apple to relize that |
| 21:38.44 | SatManUK | will google's browser superseed firefox's market share or ie's? |
| 21:38.50 | Half-Left | it's helped mozilla yer |
| 21:39.02 | SatManUK | i mean linux installs firefox by default - windows ie.. |
| 21:39.11 | SatManUK | therefore... 90% still use ie |
| 21:39.33 | SatManUK | i wonder if google would do linux.. |
| 21:39.33 | illogical | love those stats btw. |
| 21:39.43 | illogical | and the logic behind them... beautiful. |
| 21:39.57 | Half-Left | Actually IE has dropped % in the last 4-5 years so |
| 21:40.01 | hays | and I love my macbook, and being able to have access to foss tools on it |
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| 21:41.17 | SatManUK | are google the new ms.. |
| 21:41.41 | hays | first off, there is no comparison from an ethical point of view |
| 21:41.47 | Half-Left | Hardly the channel to start this debate |
| 21:42.11 | Ian00 | why does gnome and kde seem to try to rewrite every app ever written with a user interface? |
| 21:42.24 | hays | the kind of unethical behavior that google has engaged in pales to what ms has done |
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| 21:42.56 | Half-Left | Ian00: I dont understand your question |
| 21:43.11 | hays | Ian00: maybe because code reuse is harder than it sounds. |
| 21:43.14 | SatManUK | ok i am off topic - apologies |
| 21:43.25 | Rellin | does anyone reccomend KDE4windows? |
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| 21:44.16 | Half-Left | Dont recommend Windows :p |
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| 21:45.58 | hays | heh there appears to not be cultural alignment with respect to MS and Apple among KDE community members. People hate on it, yet there is a port |
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| 21:46.47 | Half-Left | hays: Thats the windows kde people not KDE |
| 21:46.56 | pinotree | can we stop the offtopic? you should move to #kde-chat for this, please. |
| 21:48.48 | Ian00 | ok, its not like theres other stuff going on, but i have 1 more question. Ok, i can understand some reason for kde redoing apps, but what about apps like firefox and pidgin, why do gnome and kde try to use other things? |
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| 21:49.29 | SatManUK | According to Linux developer survey data from Evans Data, KDE was used by 70 percent of Linux developers, Gnome by 64 percent. (Developers were allowed to select more than one developer environment when surveyed.) Motif, CDE, AfterStep and other Unix/Linux desktop environments were far less widely used, according to Evans Data. |
| 21:50.21 | Half-Left | Ian00: You mean as default? |
| 21:50.30 | Ian00 | yes Half-Left |
| 21:50.46 | Half-Left | firefox is owned by mozilla for one start |
| 21:50.46 | pinotree | Ian00: â #kde-chat |
| 21:50.54 | hays | pinotree: the topic isn't really explicit |
| 21:51.25 | pinotree | hays: more than "offtopic in #kde-chat"? this is an user *support* channel, not a *discussion* one |
| 21:51.35 | hays | im assuming #kde is for kde support? |
| 21:51.43 | o0Chris0o | indeed |
| 21:51.50 | hays | Yeah, the topic doesn't say that. |
| 21:51.55 | hays | was my point |
| 21:51.58 | pinotree | the topic cannot have everything |
| 21:52.27 | hays | But maybe the channel's raison d'être would make the cut :) |
| 21:52.28 | Ian00 | ok, how bout this, as soon as someone needs support, we will stfu and leave |
| 21:52.38 | pinotree | Ian00: nope |
| 21:52.52 | hays | no im not gonna argue anymore, because i don't want to annoy anyone, but just saying the topic could be more clear about it |
| 21:53.33 | pinotree | whichever things are put in the topic, people complain anyway (already tested in years) |
| 21:55.36 | hays | pinotree: ok |
| 21:56.03 | Radiergummi | <-- needs support, incidentally |
| 21:56.12 | Ian00 | ok, could someone tell me why kde/gnome duplicates aleady great gpled linux apps like pidgin? Tell me in #kde-chat |
| 21:56.42 | Radiergummi | Test Sound in Sound System dialog doesn't produce any sound, but non-kde programs can produce sound |
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| 21:59.25 | ministry | hello |
| 22:00.03 | ministry | I'm trying to write a konqueror plugin, which will place an action in the popup menu each time a user right-clicks a file |
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| 22:00.48 | ministry | however, for some reason, the method addAction(new KAction(...)) doesn't put anything in the popup |
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| 22:00.59 | cQ | alo |
| 22:01.04 | ministry | calling addAction() on a KActionMenu, does it, though :| |
| 22:01.10 | pinotree | did you try with a simple service menu? |
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| 22:01.47 | ministry | no. I took the action code from kdiff3 and modified it a bit. :) |
| 22:01.57 | cQ | what? |
| 22:02.34 | cQ | hello all |
| 22:02.44 | ministry | erm, kdiff3 has something similar to what I'm trying to do, except that it inserts an entire menu (wich all kinds of stuff), I want a single entry :D |
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| 22:03.24 | pinotree | ministry: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Creating_Konqueror_Service_Menus looks for you, give it a try |
| 22:04.00 | vpilo | well duh, i spent 15 minutes wondering why Amarok wasn't built along with the rest of the extragear/multimedia apps, and it took me one second to read in the CMakeFiles.txt: IF(.. RUBY_EXECUTABLE ...) ... add_directory( amarok ) ! Shouldn't cmake tell you Ruby is missing? :P |
| 22:04.36 | ministry | pinotree: does the example apply for kde3 too ? |
| 22:04.52 | pinotree | just because it needs porting |
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| 22:08.04 | Half-Left | vpilo: Yep some error in trunk for amarok2 |
| 22:08.38 | cQ | mine is no sound.how can i get sound? |
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| 22:16.43 | illogical | is there a channel where the sys admins lie? |
| 22:17.18 | illogical | hmm. probably should have said "lay" right there. less chance for misinterpretation and all. |
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| 22:20.33 | frando | Hey. Is there any web bookmarks plugin/extension for konqueror in kde4? |
| 22:20.42 | frando | Like the del.icio.us sidebar in konq/kde3 |
| 22:20.52 | frando | That's the feature I miss most in konqueror in kde4 |
| 22:20.59 | frando | just can't really deal with local bookmarks anymore |
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| 22:23.24 | MinceR | illogical: bed ;) |
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| 22:30.05 | Config_ | Hi, does anyone experience plasma rendercorruption, as soon you open a new-message window in thunderbird? |
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| 22:32.31 | hays_ | Any ideas why build scripts are finding the wrong version of automoc4 |
| 22:32.52 | hays_ | http://rafb.net/p/8V5WPh25.html |
| 22:33.14 | hays_ | automoc4 --version spits out "automoc4 1.0" |
| 22:35.04 | hays_ | which automoc4 -> "/usr/bin/automoc4 |
| 22:36.23 | pinotree | hays_: `which automoc4` |
| 22:36.53 | hays_ | usage: /usr/bin/automoc4 <outfile> <srcdir> <builddir> <moc executable> <cmake executable> |
| 22:37.47 | pinotree | `which automoc` |
| 22:37.54 | pinotree | hm, nope |
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| 22:38.43 | hays_ | hold on maybe I need to reconfigure |
| 22:38.53 | hays_ | im just make installing |
| 22:41.44 | hays_ | wtf kdelibs things I don't have qt installed |
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| 22:49.43 | hays_ | Should I be worried about this when I try to build kdesupport: http://rafb.net/p/BO7IcJ56.html |
| 22:50.30 | Half-Left | no |
| 22:51.04 | hays_ | strigiqtdbusclient isn't building... |
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| 22:51.31 | Half-Left | Why are you building kdesupport? |
| 22:51.35 | hays_ | http://rafb.net/p/2ur1SO47.html |
| 22:51.52 | hays_ | why wouldn't I? |
| 22:52.15 | Half-Left | if you want help answer the question |
| 22:52.43 | hays_ | ... because I want to have all the needed dependencies for KDE SVN trunk? |
| 22:52.59 | Half-Left | So your building trunk? |
| 22:53.45 | hays_ | yes |
| 22:54.59 | hays_ | looks like kdesupport is having issues at the moment |
| 22:55.07 | hays_ | Someone else is getting the same thing. |
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| 22:55.42 | Half-Left | Well yer it's trunk it happens :p |
| 22:57.15 | Half-Left | was going to build a kernel but can't be arsed with all the network side |
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| 23:04.02 | marco | scusate, ho installat il ktorrent ma nn l vede nel menu e nemmeno da riga di cmando, cosa può essere successo? |
| 23:05.26 | marco | ? |
| 23:07.45 | g2g591 | try #kde-es or something? |
| 23:10.20 | marco | kde-it :D |
| 23:11.33 | rellin2 | does anyone here use kde4windows? |
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| 23:14.02 | Half-Left | regis1: No, this is KDE for linux channel |
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| 23:30.18 | FloridaGuy | what package is needed fot the lde control center or what its called |
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| 23:39.47 | Vezir | so why would sound not work except for system sounds in KDE4 |
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| 23:45.40 | jim_chat | Is their a way to tie a kde wallet to a login? I'm tired of entering my password twice every time I log in. |
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