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| 00:15.36 | bendley | hi, anyone know what the status of the Networkmanager Plasmoid is? |
| 00:18.29 | cb400f | quickly approaching usable.. at least for common use cases.. but not exactly mature |
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| 00:21.30 | BOBSONATOR | hey guys, are there any good FTP clients for KDE? |
| 00:21.46 | cb400f | konq, dolphin.. kftpgrabber |
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| 00:25.39 | bendley | cb400f:where is the source for it located? |
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| 00:28.31 | cb400f | bendley: somewhere in svn :-) .. I can point you to opensuse src rpms :-) |
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| 00:30.19 | bendley | cb400f:i was looking trough websvn but couldn't find it. if i can extract the raw source from it |
| 00:30.42 | cb400f | maybe ask in #solid .. think it's in playground somewhere |
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| 00:32.54 | bendley | nope nothing in playground |
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| 00:46.36 | hongry_ | hi folks |
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| 00:47.41 | hongry_ | might anyone be able to tell me is wrong if when I try starting kde 4.1 all i get is a checkered screen? |
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| 00:48.23 | maazu | o.O is it X server startup? Do you get mouse response? |
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| 00:49.23 | hongry_ | maazu : X server starts, mouse responds, the kde splash loads that shows all the various devices being prepared, but then its just a chec kered screen and nothing else loads. |
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| 00:49.41 | hongry_ | i'm on arch linux also |
| 00:49.49 | maazu | hongry_: how long has it been? |
| 00:50.20 | maazu | hongry_: is gnome desktop installed together with KDE? |
| 00:50.24 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 00:50.34 | hongry_ | maazu : I am not certain if gnome is installed |
| 00:50.48 | Ace2016 | in kmail (kde4) is marking multiple emails as read broken? |
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| 00:51.20 | maazu | hongry_: <ctl> <alt> <backspace> |
| 00:51.51 | hongry_ | maazu : gnome is not installed |
| 00:52.10 | maazu | hongry_: what about XFCE? |
| 00:52.17 | hongry_ | maazu : how is <ctrl><alt><backspace> going to help me? |
| 00:52.23 | hongry_ | maazu : XFCE is not installed |
| 00:52.31 | hongry_ | I am on fluxbox right now, that's the only other wm installed. |
| 00:52.50 | maazu | hongry_: it brings you back to system console |
| 00:58.16 | maazu | gotta go |
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| 00:59.28 | acovea | is it possible to get foldersize in detail view in 3.5 or does anyone know an app to do this? |
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| 01:09.42 | marc__ | How can I make a panel take up only 90% of the width of my screen? like the Mac dock does? (this is in KDE4) |
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| 01:25.16 | hollywoodb | is there any way in kde4 to add a regular old single application launcher to the panel? |
| 01:26.29 | Hum | right click and select "switch to classic menu style: |
| 01:26.31 | Hum | " |
| 01:27.47 | Jucato | unless he meant an icon shortcut to the application |
| 01:28.02 | Jucato | in which case, right-click on item -> Add to Panel |
| 01:28.11 | Jucato | (only works if menu is in kickoff mode) |
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| 01:30.58 | hollywoodb | Jucato: ah, I see... I was using classic menu so I didn't have that ability. thanks! |
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| 01:35.53 | serenity | aloha |
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| 02:02.50 | serenity | torrent of aseigo's second show is now available: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4527435 |
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| 02:17.51 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 02:17.58 | Ace2016 | how do i autohide a panel in kde4? |
| 02:18.35 | serenity | Ace2016: this will come with version 4.2 |
| 02:18.43 | Ace2016 | any eta? |
| 02:18.55 | serenity | will be released end of january |
| 02:19.04 | serenity | ~ 27.1 |
| 02:20.03 | Ace2016 | now i need a place to put my system tray and clock |
| 02:20.26 | serenity | ? |
| 02:20.34 | serenity | put it in the panel |
| 02:21.05 | Ace2016 | waste of space |
| 02:21.16 | Ace2016 | unless you can have a multi line system tray |
| 02:21.26 | serenity | also in 4.2 |
| 02:21.53 | Ace2016 | multi line task manager maybe? |
| 02:22.04 | Ace2016 | is that available now? |
| 02:22.29 | serenity | no, right now the is only one row possible. With 4.2 it's getting better |
| 02:23.11 | serenity | this is nice as it shows some samples of 4.2 |
| 02:23.12 | Ace2016 | 4.2 looks to bring kde4 closer to kde3's feature set |
| 02:23.12 | serenity | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFjfk2AAn6s |
| 02:23.20 | serenity | it will definitly |
| 02:24.23 | serenity | imagines Ace2016 with open mouth |
| 02:24.38 | Ace2016 | actually it was |
| 02:24.45 | serenity | hehe |
| 02:25.15 | Ace2016 | those scaleable icons will be in konqueror too right? |
| 02:25.39 | serenity | i only know it for dolphin |
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| 02:25.42 | serenity | but should |
| 02:26.09 | serenity | dolphin got a slider to get icons bigger/smaller |
| 02:28.21 | Ace2016 | but its not freely scaleable |
| 02:28.41 | serenity | it's all svg based |
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| 02:29.38 | Ace2016 | separate themes for desktop and taskbar plasmids option? |
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| 02:30.00 | nicon | Hi all |
| 02:30.02 | nicon | Anyone here? |
| 02:30.05 | serenity | hi nicon |
| 02:30.12 | nicon | serenity: r u using kde4? |
| 02:30.26 | nicon | i've got really simply question ;) |
| 02:30.38 | serenity | Ace2016: no, as the panel is also a plasmoid, your chosen theme will also apply to that |
| 02:30.46 | serenity | nicon: sure :) |
| 02:30.58 | nicon | serenity: so... in kde-3.5 we had Desktop folder. |
| 02:31.20 | nicon | And there were files apparent on desktop ;P |
| 02:31.25 | nicon | Like the name of folder says |
| 02:31.39 | acovea | is it possible to get foldersize in detail view in 3.5 or does anyone know an app to do this? |
| 02:31.41 | nicon | In KDE-4.1 we've got also Desktop folder |
| 02:32.13 | serenity | nicon: you have to add the plasmoid "folder view" to get your files shown |
| 02:32.20 | Ace2016 | acovea: right clicking on the headers not showing an option? |
| 02:32.25 | nicon | serenity: k, thanks |
| 02:32.28 | nicon | just tell me where :P |
| 02:32.37 | serenity | rightclick your desktop |
| 02:32.49 | acovea | those are not accurate |
| 02:33.06 | acovea | says 84KB for a folder that contains 5gb |
| 02:33.10 | nicon | I've just installed for my dad kubuntu 8.10 (I prefere Debian with KDE-3.5) and it's little bit diffrent than my KDE :D |
| 02:33.20 | serenity | unlock xyz (dunno, since i'm using the german translation) |
| 02:33.24 | Ace2016 | acovea: are the 5GB in the folder or in sub folders? |
| 02:33.32 | RichiH | can someone with kde 3 paste me the browser identification that is used to mimic a google spider, plese? |
| 02:33.33 | acovea | in the folder |
| 02:33.41 | nicon | It's his first linux, so I want to configure it to he'll be contented :D |
| 02:33.57 | Ace2016 | working out the folder requires indexing all files inside it, wouldn't that be very slow? |
| 02:34.13 | nicon | serenity: and then? :> |
| 02:34.15 | acovea | not that bad someone did it in xp |
| 02:34.27 | Ace2016 | acovea: you can use file light, it will show you the file by size |
| 02:34.28 | acovea | there is also treesize for windows takes a second |
| 02:34.43 | serenity | nicon: right click your desktop again and "add widgets" or so |
| 02:34.57 | nicon | What is the name of widget? |
| 02:35.02 | serenity | folderview |
| 02:35.15 | nicon | serenity: k, thanks :)) |
| 02:35.19 | serenity | np |
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| 02:38.28 | RichiH | come on, someone must still have a kde 3 instance, somewhere :p |
| 02:38.45 | serenity | me not |
| 02:39.25 | acovea | im on 3 but i dont know what your talking about |
| 02:39.43 | Ace2016 | i made a pannel greater than half of the vertical height of my screen and now it won't shrink back down |
| 02:40.54 | RichiH | acovea: in settings -> browser identification, there should be an entry that says something about google |
| 02:41.02 | RichiH | acovea: i need that line, please |
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| 02:41.48 | Ace2016 | is the cashew on each panel removeable? |
| 02:42.03 | Ace2016 | is there a lock taskbar option somewhere? |
| 02:42.10 | Ace2016 | found it |
| 02:42.12 | acovea | settings? |
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| 02:42.18 | acovea | you need to give all the givens |
| 02:42.55 | RichiH | acovea: the konqueror settings |
| 02:44.14 | acovea | i dont see that heading under settings |
| 02:44.32 | Ace2016 | finally configured my desktop |
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| 02:44.59 | RichiH | acovea: on the left, there are little symbols. one of them has a sherlock holmes hat |
| 02:45.01 | RichiH | that's the one |
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| 02:45.16 | acovea | type out full instructions next time |
| 02:45.22 | acovea | im not asking you questions |
| 02:45.26 | acovea | so just to be a douche |
| 02:45.30 | acovea | like you do when you help poeple |
| 02:45.35 | acovea | by giving them half the information |
| 02:45.39 | acovea | you ask me the full question |
| 02:45.42 | acovea | and ill give you the ans |
| 02:46.52 | acovea | and it wont be a half ans it will be a full ans |
| 02:46.53 | Ace2016 | serenity: will the multiline taskbar in 4.2 have the option to control how many lines each widget takes up, i want a 1 line pager but a 3 line task manager |
| 02:46.56 | acovea | i think thats more than fair |
| 02:48.02 | RichiH | acovea: i don't know how to make it any clearer than konqui settings -> look for small sherlock holmes hat with "identification" below, click that, look for google in the list of available IDs on the right side of the window |
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| 02:48.09 | acovea | wrong |
| 02:48.16 | acovea | you left out konqueror |
| 02:48.22 | acovea | you got about every other step right |
| 02:48.31 | acovea | then you forgot configure konqueror |
| 02:48.35 | acovea | after settings |
| 02:48.42 | acovea | then you forgot scrolll down on the left |
| 02:48.56 | acovea | after configure konqueror as that isnt readily visible either |
| 02:49.02 | acovea | then sherlock holmes hat |
| 02:49.21 | acovea | the sherlock holmes hat was hidden |
| 02:49.24 | acovea | therefore you fait |
| 02:49.27 | acovea | fail |
| 02:49.30 | acovea | i cant help you |
| 02:49.39 | acovea | but now you know how to give instructions |
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| 02:50.51 | acovea | kids plink on the keyboard like fucking niggers then expect people to like you get upset when they want to tear your head off fuck you keyboard plinking ircniggers |
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| 02:51.01 | Hydrogen | hmm |
| 02:51.08 | Hydrogen | I agree! |
| 02:51.42 | RichiH | someone has severe anger management issues |
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| 02:52.56 | Hydrogen | and is demonstrating signs of growing racial tensions |
| 02:53.19 | RichiH | i will query him about it |
| 02:53.46 | Ace2016 | Any opera and kde4 users here? |
| 02:54.22 | Ace2016 | i'm having problems with right click > open folder in the transfers tab, it does nothing |
| 02:54.46 | RichiH | so, is anyone sane with kde 3 around? |
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| 03:07.53 | RichiH | nm, found it |
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| 03:38.06 | octox2 | http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/ch9/0/WPF35SP1Graphics_2MB_ch9.wmv |
| 03:38.20 | octox2 | has anyone seen info about MS WPF ? |
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| 03:43.58 | tehk123 | Is there anyway to rebind control-a to "goto the start of the line" like you could in kde3? Select all is just not doing it for me. |
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| 03:55.08 | octox2 | Windows Presentation Foundation |
| 03:55.30 | octox2 | they are catching up in the realm of 3d effects inthe desktop and such |
| 03:56.02 | octox2 | compiz and kde4 are still the cats meow though :) |
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| 04:06.38 | The_Ball | Also double-clicking any file will bring up a empty "open with" window |
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| 05:35.40 | Lazydog | anyone using kmail to download their gamil? |
| 05:41.22 | DreadKnight | Lazydog: um me.. |
| 05:41.31 | DreadKnight | from time to time. |
| 05:42.01 | Lazydog | what is the secret? i can't seem to get it working. :( you have some sotrt of documentation for this? web link? |
| 05:42.51 | DreadKnight | Lazydog: i've set it up myself pretty simple i recall |
| 05:43.03 | DreadKnight | Lazydog: kde4? |
| 05:43.28 | Lazydog | not sure |
| 05:44.01 | DreadKnight | ... |
| 05:44.20 | Lazydog | kmail is 3.3.1-11.el4 |
| 05:44.28 | Lazydog | redhat |
| 05:45.56 | DreadKnight | erm |
| 05:46.13 | DreadKnight | i think that's your kde3 version |
| 05:46.21 | DreadKnight | "about kmail" in the help menu |
| 05:46.27 | Lazydog | yes |
| 05:46.32 | DreadKnight | kubuntu intrepid; v 1.10.3 |
| 05:46.35 | DreadKnight | uhum |
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| 05:46.59 | DreadKnight | well, can't help you i guess, your version is old :P |
| 05:47.12 | Lazydog | :O |
| 05:47.27 | Lazydog | it's port 995 correct? |
| 05:47.52 | DreadKnight | correct |
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| 05:48.05 | DreadKnight | server pop.gmail.com |
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| 05:49.00 | Lazydog | pop.gmail.com and port 995 set |
| 05:49.12 | Lazydog | ssl checked |
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| 08:59.26 | Mangrod | Hey |
| 08:59.39 | Mangrod | Is there some way to start an applet to kicker from terminal? |
| 09:00.13 | eq | hello |
| 09:02.12 | Ace2016 | birnisson: if they are not i'm sure we'll see some drastic change in the format to screw everyone else over, maybe tie stuff into osx more |
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| 09:20.22 | leche | hey, how can i move mini programs in kde 4 on the panel? all my settings were wasted for no reason and i have no k-menu, if i add it it appears just on the right side of the panel and i cant move it |
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| 09:21.34 | Jucato | leche: click on the cashew/plasma icon at the far right of the panel. then you can move them |
| 09:21.58 | leche | Jucato: thank you |
| 09:22.03 | Ace2016 | Any opera and kde4 users here? i'm having problems with right click > open folder in the transfers tab, it does nothing |
| 09:25.15 | J-23 | Ace2016: same for me ;) |
| 09:27.58 | Ace2016 | OMG IT WASN'T JUST ME!!!!!! |
| 09:28.10 | Ace2016 | J-23: what distro do you use? |
| 09:28.21 | J-23 | Fedora 10 prerelease. |
| 09:28.43 | Ace2016 | so it doesn't seem to be distro specific, i use debian sid |
| 09:28.51 | Mangrod | However do you know a way to start an applet to kicker from terminal? |
| 09:29.29 | Ace2016 | maybe via dcop? |
| 09:29.43 | Mangrod | ? |
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| 09:33.09 | Mangrod | Ace2016: How would I do it with taht |
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| 09:35.49 | sitaram | hello all; before I file a bug report, can I ask anyone to view http://ftp.casio.co.jp/pub/world_manual/edu/en/fx115MS_991MS_E.pdf via okular and see if page 9 will crash it (meaning is it just my setup or universal)? |
| 09:35.59 | sitaram | it's a manual for a casio scientific calculator |
| 09:36.26 | sitaram | not able to view past page 8 |
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| 09:37.54 | J-23 | crashes for me too |
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| 09:38.14 | scientes | what is the format when you format a dvd in k3b?? |
| 09:38.36 | pinotree | sitaram: it is a bug in the poppler library, please report it to https://bugs.freedesktop.org, "poppler" product |
| 09:39.11 | smurfslover | hi |
| 09:39.32 | smurfslover | how do i get the samba config module for kcontrol? |
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| 09:41.32 | sitaram | pinotree: I assume kghostview doesn't use the same library, because it seems to work fine... |
| 09:41.34 | sitaram | I'll report it |
| 09:41.44 | pinotree | correct |
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| 09:47.10 | localh0st | How to start kcontrol in KDE 4.1? |
| 09:47.26 | annma | it's called systemsettings |
| 09:47.28 | Jucato | localh0st: it's called System Settings |
| 09:47.29 | Jucato | pfft |
| 09:48.29 | HalphaZ | :-) |
| 09:48.38 | localh0st | Jucato: but what is command? |
| 09:48.44 | annma | systemsettings |
| 09:48.51 | Jucato | localh0st: annma gave it already :) |
| 09:49.06 | HalphaZ | does Phonon sobstitute AudioPulse? |
| 09:49.16 | HalphaZ | do they the same thing? |
| 09:49.25 | HalphaZ | things? |
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| 09:49.35 | pinotree | nope |
| 09:49.37 | Jucato | doesn't substitute because they don't do the same thing |
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| 09:50.30 | HalphaZ | Because when I start kdesvn phonon works very well, while pulseaudio if apparently off. |
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| 09:51.23 | HalphaZ | The pulseaudio applet says "faiulure: connection refused" |
| 09:51.28 | Mangrod | Okay, I think I've got the clue of using dcop |
| 09:51.32 | localh0st | annma: Jucato thanks |
| 09:51.38 | Mangrod | But how do I add an applet with it? |
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| 09:51.58 | tzd | hi guys! How do i import a calendar that's currently in .csv format please? |
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| 09:52.08 | Mangrod | "dcop kicker Panel addApplet" ? |
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| 09:54.01 | localh0st | Joystick calibrating is so diffrent for me :D |
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| 09:54.59 | sitaram | J-23: and pinotree: filed https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18671 after a quick search to find duplicates; FYI... |
| 09:55.40 | Mangrod | Ace2016: Thanks for the hint on dcop. After a bit of messing around I managed to do what I wanted |
| 09:56.16 | pinotree | sitaram: brilliant, thanks! (fyi, the "someone" is the okular maintainer :> ) |
| 09:59.37 | Jucato | hm.. I should have mentioned "the someone" in my poppler bug report too :) |
| 09:59.44 | sitaram | pinotree: oops didnt know :-) |
| 09:59.51 | localh0st | Is posssible to automatic calibrate joystick? :D |
| 10:00.13 | sitaram | pinotree: so I got it from the horse's mouth... ! |
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| 10:00.37 | Jucato | sitaram: or in this case, the tree's |
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| 10:16.45 | Jucato | is it possible to disable KGet's torrent functions (KDE 4.1.3)? |
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| 10:22.56 | annew | 'morning all. I have a character display problem - |
| 10:23.15 | annew | in konqueror, http://userbase.kde.org/Applications/Internet for example |
| 10:23.28 | annew | doesn't display some characters correctly |
| 10:23.41 | annew | I suspect I have a wrong character set somewhere |
| 10:23.52 | annew | where can I change it to utf8? |
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| 10:25.42 | annma | View -> Set Encoding in Konqueror |
| 10:26.01 | Jucato | omg! the two anne's!! |
| 10:26.06 | Jucato | runs |
| 10:26.07 | annma | ;) |
| 10:26.48 | annew | hi annma - |
| 10:27.06 | annew | just tried changing it there, but I still have the problem |
| 10:27.10 | annma | hi annew :) |
| 10:27.23 | annma | did you choose unicode -> UTF8? |
| 10:27.27 | annew | some language characters are fine - others not |
| 10:27.32 | annew | although ok in firefox |
| 10:27.45 | annew | for instance on the link above, |
| 10:27.55 | annma | I htought you miss some fonts but it is OK in firefox.. |
| 10:28.15 | annew | the last correct one I see is Polski - two wrong ones, then what looks like Russian |
| 10:28.33 | annew | so there must be a difference between settings somewhere, ff and konq |
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| 10:28.49 | annma | they are Chinese and I can reproduce |
| 10:29.02 | annma | for me too they show OK in FF and not in konq |
| 10:29.09 | annma | another Konq bug :( |
| 10:29.11 | Jucato | sees chinese here.. 4.1.3 |
| 10:29.16 | annew | Jucato has just said to check fonts used |
| 10:29.18 | annew | sec |
| 10:29.40 | annma | Jucato: how can we force konq to use the fonts? |
| 10:29.55 | Jucato | Settings -> Configure Konq -> Fonts ? |
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| 10:30.32 | Jucato | I'm just guessing you both are using a font that doesn't have chinese chars? |
| 10:30.47 | annew | as far as I can see ff is just set to use en-gb |
| 10:31.02 | annew | annma: I set the default in konq to utf8 |
| 10:31.08 | annew | that should have been ok? |
| 10:31.18 | Jucato | http://jucato.org/stuff/see-chinese.jpeg |
| 10:31.19 | annma | Jucato: so default sans fonts has no chinese? |
| 10:31.29 | annma | Jucato: what font do you use then? |
| 10:31.33 | Jucato | annma: depends on what font "sans" is mapped in your system |
| 10:31.35 | Jucato | bistream vera atm |
| 10:31.37 | annma | in konq general |
| 10:31.52 | annma | anyway FF picks it up |
| 10:31.59 | annma | while konq does not |
| 10:32.00 | Jucato | "sans", "sans serif", and "monospace" are usually mapped to a specific font |
| 10:32.09 | Jucato | see screenshot. that's in Konq |
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| 10:32.52 | annma | maybe your distro tweaked it |
| 10:32.55 | annew | I have Liberation Sans set |
| 10:33.10 | Jucato | hm.. lemme try changing fonts |
| 10:33.20 | annew | Jucato: what is your sans set to? |
| 10:33.36 | Jucato | I think bitstream vera |
| 10:33.56 | Jucato | heeh I don't have liberation fonts installed :) |
| 10:33.57 | annma | no way to get CHinese for me |
| 10:34.11 | annma | while FF displays it |
| 10:34.31 | annew | I don't have bitstream vera |
| 10:34.48 | Jucato | try DejaVu |
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| 10:35.48 | annma | same in Kate in fact |
| 10:35.52 | annma | it's general in KDE |
| 10:36.18 | annma | I have Arabic, Cyrillic but no Chinese |
| 10:36.46 | annew | DejaVu didn't work |
| 10:36.54 | annma | while Firefox displays those fonts |
| 10:37.06 | annew | annma: that sounds about the same as I have |
| 10:37.49 | Jucato | mandriva.. :) |
| 10:38.04 | annew | idea - I'll try kcharselect and see which ones have a chinese set |
| 10:38.11 | Jucato | http://jucato.org/stuff/languages.jpeg <-- in kate :) |
| 10:38.12 | annew | Jucato: what about mandriva? |
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| 10:38.20 | annma | I can install fonts-ttf-chinese-opendesktop |
| 10:38.22 | Jucato | annew: your other common factor |
| 10:38.33 | annma | but why would FF display them OK anyway? |
| 10:38.57 | Jucato | I'm still guessing fonts.. but of course I might be completely wrong |
| 10:39.01 | annma | the point is not what we have or not, the point is that FF manages to display it OK |
| 10:39.22 | Jucato | annma: my point earlier was that ff might be using a different font, one that has a complete set |
| 10:39.41 | annma | FF manages to find one |
| 10:40.34 | Jucato | I would agree with you that it's a KDE problem if it wasn't working on my end as well |
| 10:40.35 | annma | it says "serif" as Default font |
| 10:40.47 | annma | your end is tweaked by distro |
| 10:40.50 | Jucato | but "sans" in Konqueror? |
| 10:40.54 | annma | or you have Chinese set |
| 10:40.56 | Jucato | annma: really? |
| 10:41.02 | annma | yes |
| 10:41.07 | Jucato | you don't even know what distro I'm using :) |
| 10:41.09 | annma | you probably have a Chinese font set |
| 10:41.26 | annma | I bet when I finish installing mine it'll work |
| 10:42.22 | Jucato | "my distro" doesn't tweak anything. it doesn't even apply patches unless absolutely necessary to build |
| 10:42.49 | Jucato | and since I have not tweaked anything either (I hate messing with X), I can't see why my end is tweaked by distro |
| 10:42.53 | annew | I can't find a single installed font that has east asian characters |
| 10:43.04 | annew | whereas middle eastern scripts are in several |
| 10:43.15 | Jucato | annew: do you have dejavu? |
| 10:43.24 | annew | yes - tried it |
| 10:43.26 | annew | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.29 | Jucato | hm. weird |
| 10:43.47 | annew | kcharselect says it has no fonts for asian sections |
| 10:44.24 | annma | bingo |
| 10:44.47 | annma | I restarted konq after installing "fonts-ttf-chinese-opendesktop" and I have CHinese now |
| 10:44.57 | Jucato | annew: ^^^ |
| 10:45.00 | annma | KDE only picks those |
| 10:45.10 | annma | while FF manages to find substitutes |
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| 10:45.37 | annew | how strange - how on earth does ff do it? |
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| 10:46.00 | annew | annma: where did you find the font? |
| 10:46.14 | annma | urpmi fonts-ttf-chinese-opendesktop |
| 10:46.19 | annma | I run Mandriva |
| 10:46.30 | annew | so do i - I'll try that |
| 10:46.30 | annma | I did "rpm -qa | grep chinese |
| 10:46.42 | annma | you need to restart Konq afterwards |
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| 10:47.22 | annew | ok - downloading |
| 10:47.29 | annma | I still have one missing though |
| 10:47.39 | annew | which is that? |
| 10:47.52 | martian67 | annew, XUL has its own fontpacks |
| 10:48.02 | annma | the one after Svenska which is not chinese |
| 10:48.12 | annma | not sure what language this is |
| 10:48.16 | annew | martian67: I guess that explains it |
| 10:48.49 | Jucato | annma: korean |
| 10:48.52 | annew | annma: ko - korean? |
| 10:48.59 | annma | oh |
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| 10:52.56 | annew | annma: fonts-ttf-korean - I'm installing now |
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| 10:57.55 | annew | annma: yes - I have a full set now |
| 10:58.15 | annew | thanks for the help |
| 11:00.48 | Jucato | and I'm dinner-ing |
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| 11:07.06 | annew | annma: there is a rather nasty konq bug, though |
| 11:07.25 | annew | when I have several tabs open |
| 11:07.34 | annew | sometimes the wrong label is on some of the tabs |
| 11:07.39 | annew | it seems very confused |
| 11:07.48 | annew | though it picks up again when I close some |
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| 11:21.45 | Smak | I dont know what it is called, but there used to be a handy shortcut on my launch bar that minimized all running options and showed the desktop. I am looking for this in KDE 4.1 any help? |
| 11:22.53 | DrEeevil | meh, strigi is a stupid idea. it just tried to index a directory with >2000 PDFs ... |
| 11:23.59 | anne | Smak: Add Widgets > Show Desktop |
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| 11:26.58 | Smak | anne, Yep, I found a website talking about that, but I do not have that widget can have been looking for it. I have tried to install from internet, but I only get three widgets downloadable. |
| 11:27.40 | anne | Smak: which distro? |
| 11:28.49 | Smak | gentoo |
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| 11:34.24 | anne | Smak: I don't know where you can find this, sorry |
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| 11:34.53 | Smak | No worries, thanks anyway |
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| 11:56.05 | pinheirolap | moin |
| 11:56.09 | pinheirolap | one question |
| 11:56.28 | pinheirolap | wow does one change the password in the lock screen |
| 11:56.44 | pinheirolap | for some reson my user pasword dosent work |
| 11:57.03 | Thundercloud | Has ye got caps lock on? |
| 11:57.05 | Thundercloud | :P |
| 11:57.21 | pinheirolap | nope not that dum b :P |
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| 11:58.56 | pinheirolap | this bug ocours wen I orginaly creted the acout with no user password |
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| 11:59.15 | Thundercloud | I don't get that |
| 11:59.26 | Thundercloud | And I create all my usernames with no password originally. |
| 12:01.08 | pinheirolap | this is wird couse this is s svn install |
| 12:01.18 | pinheirolap | but i allwyas had this bug |
| 12:04.55 | buntfalke | Is there a kde/qt based alternative to kmymoney2 which supports hbci? |
| 12:05.17 | anne | Smak: try gentoo channels |
| 12:05.54 | Thundercloud | buntfalke: I think the main question is what's hbci? |
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| 12:08.49 | buntfalke | Thundercloud: those who'd know the answer, would know ;-) it's short for Home Banking Computer Interface. like ISDN it's very widespread in germany, and allows for secure online banking using smartcards |
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| 12:11.26 | Thundercloud | buntfalke: Considering it's a German only thing, you may be out of luck unless some plucky German programmer's took it upon themselves to do it |
| 12:11.42 | Thundercloud | Oh wait |
| 12:11.57 | Thundercloud | kmymoney2 may do HBCI you know |
| 12:11.58 | Sput | last I checked, mymoney seemed to support HBCI |
| 12:12.07 | Sput | kmymoney2 I mean |
| 12:12.18 | Sput | afaik it uses some libs for that |
| 12:12.23 | Thundercloud | Indeed |
| 12:12.50 | pprkut | yeah, but he asked for an alternative to kmymoney |
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| 12:12.59 | Sput | not sure if it does smartcard support as well |
| 12:13.10 | Sput | oh, I thought he asked for an alternative because of missing support :) |
| 12:14.48 | buntfalke | Thundercloud: well, kmymoney2 _does_ that. as does qbankmanager and gnucash. i asked wether there might be a fourth application, so i look at all of them and decide for the one i like best |
| 12:15.33 | buntfalke | but as it seems, kmymoney2 and qbankmanager are the only qt-based ones around. so i'll try these. |
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| 12:15.58 | Lynx_ | Hello! How would I go about testing my microphone? Can I set the mixer to output microphone sounds through the normal speakers? The kmixer app looks very different to the one in the help docs... |
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| 12:16.20 | buntfalke | Sput: there is no hbci without smartcards, to my knowledge |
| 12:16.50 | Sput | isn't there a PIN/TAN based variant too? |
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| 12:17.08 | tictric | buntfalke: you can have the hbci key on a floppy if you like |
| 12:17.12 | annma | Lynx_: when you set exteranl microhone, can you set it? |
| 12:17.16 | annma | external |
| 12:17.51 | Lynx_ | annma: What do you mean by 'set' ? |
| 12:18.12 | buntfalke | Sput, tictric: yes, seems like it can be done without smartcards as well. didnt know that, i'm new to it all |
| 12:18.13 | annma | when you check it |
| 12:18.39 | annma | open KMix -> Settings -> Configure CHannels |
| 12:18.48 | tictric | buntfalke: you can have the key wherever you like, smartcards are the most secure though |
| 12:18.51 | annma | check External microphone |
| 12:19.09 | buntfalke | tictric: thanks, good to know |
| 12:19.48 | buntfalke | tictric: are you using it? want to give me a quick expierence report? is it usable with floss software? |
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| 12:21.03 | tictric | buntfalke: I was trying to use oss at first but changed to moneyplex then because it just works (tm) |
| 12:21.26 | Lynx_ | annma: now, it works, thank you :) |
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| 12:21.45 | buntfalke | tictric: when was the last time you tried oss? (maybe things changed) |
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| 12:22.24 | serenity | aloha |
| 12:22.36 | tictric | buntfalke: they are changing, certainly. And they're getting better I hear. But I haven't tried myself for quite some time |
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| 12:23.56 | Rasi | wow... new systray notification system is quite unstable |
| 12:24.12 | buntfalke | okay. i'll give it a try then :-) |
| 12:24.21 | tictric | next time I change the software I'll also have to convince my wife to follow that decision, and she just doesn |
| 12:24.25 | Rasi | curious how this thing works in the first beta |
| 12:24.33 | tictric | 't like changes just for the sake of it :-) |
| 12:24.45 | buntfalke | hehe, i see :-) |
| 12:25.23 | tictric | women are not as playful as men. |
| 12:25.31 | annma | hu? |
| 12:25.36 | align | hehe |
| 12:25.40 | buntfalke | Luckily, I rule the software universe in this home, so I don't need to ask for anyone's permission :-) |
| 12:25.41 | Jucato | let's keep gender biases out of the channel please |
| 12:25.47 | annma | in my couple it's the contrary tictric |
| 12:25.53 | tictric | sorry annma, you are an exeption in almost anything :-) |
| 12:25.53 | buntfalke | tictric: well, _that_ depends on the woman i'd surely say |
| 12:25.55 | annma | I am the sysadmin |
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| 12:26.50 | buntfalke | tictric: which toolkit is moneyplex based on? how does it communicate with the cardreader? does it support pcscd? |
| 12:27.20 | tictric | brings a toast to the most exceptional annma of all times |
| 12:29.17 | tictric | buntfalke: http://www.matrica.de/produkte/produktmpx.html |
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| 12:31.39 | buntfalke | tictric: doesnt quite include this information, at least i cannot find it. |
| 12:31.43 | tictric | annma: you need to bow to the audience and say:'thank you, thank you, thank you' :-) |
| 12:32.44 | annma | lol* |
| 12:32.49 | buntfalke | hehe |
| 12:32.53 | annma | thanks tictric |
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| 12:43.28 | tictric | buntfalke: sorry I had to install a new hexeditor :-) moneyplex calls Qt classes but if it's Qt3 or Qt4 I can't tell (yet) |
| 12:43.42 | thiago_home | ldd the program |
| 12:45.16 | buntfalke | tictric: well, qt is already a good thing. i guess i'll get a smardcard, try the floss software available, and if i run into issues i can still check out the moneyplex trial |
| 12:45.45 | buntfalke | tictric: thanks for checking it |
| 12:45.48 | tictric | thiago_home: I couldn't tell from that output. I'm not such a crack. |
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| 12:46.48 | thiago_home | did you see any "qt" ? |
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| 12:47.17 | buntfalke | tictric: run "ldd binary|grep -i qt" and look wether there is a .3 or a .4 at the end of the lib paths |
| 12:47.22 | tictric | just looking through -v option |
| 12:47.41 | thiago_home | which -v ? |
| 12:48.02 | tictric | ldd -v |
| 12:48.09 | thiago_home | why? |
| 12:49.04 | tictric | maybe more output that could make sense because I could see QClasses in the hexeditor but no such thing in ldd output |
| 12:49.40 | thiago_home | oh? |
| 12:49.46 | thiago_home | can you pastebin the output of ldd ? |
| 12:49.53 | tictric | sure |
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| 12:50.23 | Lord_Deathscythe | hello |
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| 12:50.38 | Lord_Deathscythe | Anyone here using OpenOffice 3 in KDE 4.1.3 with an Nvidia card? |
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| 12:50.51 | thiago_home | no |
| 12:50.57 | annma | Lord_Deathscythe: systray probelm? |
| 12:50.59 | thiago_home | I use OpenOffice 3 with KDE 4.1.80 with an NVidia card |
| 12:51.03 | buntfalke | Lord_Deathscythe: ask your actual question |
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| 12:51.12 | annma | openoffice 3 rocks btw |
| 12:51.22 | Lord_Deathscythe | No, no systray issues |
| 12:51.31 | Lord_Deathscythe | I don't use the systray item anyways |
| 12:51.32 | annma | so please satet your problem |
| 12:51.38 | annma | state even |
| 12:51.44 | buntfalke | annma: to be honest, i didnt notice the difference to 2.4, except for the new logo and that little soom bar in the low-right corner |
| 12:51.55 | annma | buntfalke: start speed? |
| 12:51.58 | Lord_Deathscythe | But when I do use it in KDE 4.1.3 everything Plasma related starts freaking out visually until I go to another window or a different program |
| 12:52.28 | Lord_Deathscythe | the taskbar will flash at me, the menu will go negative, plasma apps will black out totally |
| 12:52.30 | buntfalke | annma: oh. dont use it enough to notice that. |
| 12:52.48 | Lord_Deathscythe | I don't have to, I just have to have it up and something plasma related visable to notice |
| 12:52.56 | annma | buntfalke: also compatibily with other formats is great |
| 12:52.56 | buntfalke | annma: but it's good if they improved it, cause i always started rather slow :-D |
| 12:53.08 | annma | when you work with M$ people |
| 12:53.09 | buntfalke | i hope the pdf import thingy will get better |
| 12:53.17 | tictric | sorry, thiago. I need to take my boy to a soccer game. I'll paste it later |
| 12:53.33 | Lord_Deathscythe | but yea, that's the issue I'm having, was wondering if anyone else noticed strang plasma issues with OO3 |
| 12:53.54 | annma | only with OO3? |
| 12:54.01 | buntfalke | have fun tictric |
| 12:54.02 | Lord_Deathscythe | only with OO3 |
| 12:54.05 | annma | I have an intel card and only OO2 here |
| 12:54.16 | annma | thiago_home: you? |
| 12:54.18 | JLP | Lord_Deathscythe: yup i've seen these issues with nvidia drivers on my sisters box with mandriva 2009, kde 4.1 and oo3 |
| 12:54.30 | Lord_Deathscythe | I've tried modifying USE flags in Gentoo for it, tried using the binary build, still et it |
| 12:54.39 | Lord_Deathscythe | Have you seen it with anything else but OO3? |
| 12:54.40 | Lord_Deathscythe | I haven't |
| 12:54.42 | JLP | Lord_Deathscythe: all was fine after switching to nv driver or noueveau |
| 12:54.44 | buntfalke | Lord_Deathscythe: try to disable the opengl rendering and such stuff in oo3 |
| 12:54.48 | thiago_home | NVidia GeForce 8400M GS |
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| 12:55.47 | Lord_Deathscythe | ok |
| 12:56.25 | Lord_Deathscythe | if I can find that seig in OO3 |
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| 12:56.34 | Lord_Deathscythe | i may have to actually rebuild it without the opengl use flag |
| 12:57.08 | annma | building OO, that must be something |
| 12:57.26 | Lord_Deathscythe | I use Gentoo |
| 12:57.36 | Lord_Deathscythe | all it is is me doing emerge openoffice and waiting |
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| 12:57.50 | annma | hmm and disk space and CPU |
| 12:58.24 | annma | when I build and install it clogs my CPU while I have 2 procs |
| 12:58.35 | Lord_Deathscythe | I just wait honestly |
| 12:58.37 | annma | in fact it seems even worse now |
| 12:58.46 | annma | you wait without doing anything else? |
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| 12:59.09 | annma | so you need space, CPU, read docs and TIME |
| 12:59.16 | annma | ;) |
| 12:59.17 | Lord_Deathscythe | yes |
| 12:59.25 | Lord_Deathscythe | personally I just ry writing on my novel |
| 12:59.43 | annma | ahah good shot, i should write docs |
| 13:00.02 | Lord_Deathscythe | I'd use koffice if it weren't for some issues I have with how it reders Nimbus Roman no9 |
| 13:00.23 | Lord_Deathscythe | ... and that exporting to HTML, which I need to do at times, removes ALL formatting, not just spacing but italics and everything |
| 13:00.59 | Lord_Deathscythe | I'm hoping as the betas for Koffice 2 proress they might acually fix that |
| 13:02.04 | Lord_Deathscythe | and the way it seems to tack on an extra blank page at he beginning of OO3 generted docs |
| 13:02.15 | Lord_Deathscythe | ... kOffice and OO3 don't seem to like eachother... at all |
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| 13:12.27 | rty | After upgrade to KDE 4.1.3 fonts became not anti-aliased. How to make them anti-aliased again? |
| 13:13.27 | rty | ... Mandriva |
| 13:14.08 | Lord_Deathscythe | hmm |
| 13:14.19 | Lord_Deathscythe | have you checked system settings? |
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| 13:14.52 | rty | Lord_Deathscythe: Yes, and there anti-aliasing is turned on. But it does not work |
| 13:15.01 | Lord_Deathscythe | percurliar |
| 13:15.20 | Lord_Deathscythe | what about under configure? |
| 13:15.24 | Lord_Deathscythe | what's your settings for that? |
| 13:15.51 | rty | Which "configure"? ./configure script? I didn't use this, but a ready package from Mandriva |
| 13:16.05 | Lord_Deathscythe | no I mean at the anti-aliasing setting |
| 13:16.13 | Lord_Deathscythe | the configure button right next to it |
| 13:16.40 | JLP | rty: in system settings / called something like set your desktop in mandriva, make sure you still have antialisaing set to System Settings |
| 13:17.23 | Lord_Deathscythe | is sub-pixel rendering enabled and set for high? |
| 13:17.53 | rty | Lord_Deathscythe: Subpixel rendering is disabled. Does it matter? |
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| 13:18.30 | Lord_Deathscythe | enable it and set it for full rndering |
| 13:18.44 | Lord_Deathscythe | and then see what you get, you may have to log out then back in but it might fix it |
| 13:18.56 | Lord_Deathscythe | that's what i have set, i also have font's forced to 96Dpi |
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| 13:20.04 | rty | Oops, I noticed that there are "sub-pixel hinting" but no "subpixel rendering" in kcontrol. What I should set? |
| 13:20.33 | rty | There are no anti-aliasing setting in Mandriva's settings |
| 13:20.50 | Lord_Deathscythe | there isn't a check bo for subpixel rendering and hinting style isn't a drop down? |
| 13:22.10 | rty | Oops, I noticed that some programs (such as kcontrol) use anti-aliasing while some other (Konsole, Kate) don't use anti-aliasing. How to make Konsole and Kate to use anti-aliasing? |
| 13:22.28 | Lord_Deathscythe | that I don't know |
| 13:22.30 | Lord_Deathscythe | sorry |
| 13:23.38 | thiago_home | rty: the setting should be global |
| 13:23.56 | JLP | rty: you're not looking in the right place, kcontrol is from kde 3, you need to look in System Settings (Configure Your Desktop in mandriva) |
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| 13:25.08 | rty | Where is "Configure Your Desktop" in Mandriva? |
| 13:25.26 | thiago_home | ask #mandriva |
| 13:25.28 | JLP | rty: try Alt+F2 and start typing this, it should show up |
| 13:25.48 | marko_d | anyone here using kde4 trunk ?, what is the stability like after the freeze? |
| 13:25.56 | rty | JLP: Alt+F2 does nothing |
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| 13:26.40 | anne | rty SystemSettings is in Mandriva |
| 13:26.51 | anne | and you can run command systemsettings |
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| 13:27.53 | anne | rty: right-click on desktop |
| 13:28.11 | anne | should give the Alt-F2 display |
| 13:28.33 | anne | 'Run Command' |
| 13:29.46 | rty | anne: Setting anti-aliasing on in SystemSettings does not help to make Kate and Konsole anti-aliased :-( |
| 13:30.11 | annma | rty: what about other KDE apps? |
| 13:31.14 | rty | annma: I guess, KDE3 apps use anti-aliasing whilist KDE4 do not. (maybe I mistake) |
| 13:31.28 | annma | Mandriva 2009 has kde3 or 4 by the way? |
| 13:31.33 | thiago_home | 4 |
| 13:31.35 | annma | I am downloading the One CD |
| 13:31.48 | annma | because my system is all messed |
| 13:31.57 | annma | when I do make it rebuilds everything |
| 13:32.10 | annma | in fact I won't install kde from it |
| 13:32.34 | annma | or if I do I won't use it probably |
| 13:32.43 | anne | annma: 2009 is 4 by default with 3 installable |
| 13:32.58 | annma | cool, I need kmail and konvi |
| 13:33.10 | annma | thanks anne |
| 13:33.24 | rty | Should I report the bug that anti-aliasing doesn't work in KDE 4.1.3? |
| 13:33.40 | anne | I have both installed but I use 4 except when I need kipi-plugins |
| 13:33.45 | annma | rty: it works in vanilla KDE |
| 13:33.47 | JLP | rty: it works here on mandriva 2009 with kde 4.1.3 by default |
| 13:33.57 | annma | anne: do you have anti-aliasing? |
| 13:34.08 | rty | JLP: I also have Mandriva 2009 with KDE 4.1.3 |
| 13:34.19 | annma | rty: can you try a new user maybe |
| 13:34.34 | rty | What is "vanilla"? |
| 13:34.35 | anne | annma: I assume I'd notice if I didn't, so.... |
| 13:35.17 | anne | how can I check? |
| 13:35.44 | marko_d | rty: vanilla is a software package that isn't patched by the distro vendor |
| 13:36.37 | thiago_home | it's also an icecream flavour |
| 13:37.08 | anne | annma: that laptop screen is not as crisp as this one, so I can't be certain |
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| 13:48.03 | anne | rty: did you get your 4.1.3 from Cooker? |
| 13:49.01 | rty | anne: AFAIK, no |
| 13:49.42 | anne | just wondered. min is still 4.1.2-4 |
| 13:49.47 | anne | *mine |
| 13:50.45 | JLP | anne: if you enable testing sources there is 4.1.3 update available |
| 13:51.05 | anne | I'll do that later today, thanks |
| 13:51.13 | rty | Fonts are anti-aliased in Font Installer |
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| 13:53.54 | rty | ... but not in the rest of SystemSettings |
| 13:54.26 | anne | rty:is this only since updating to 4.1.3? |
| 13:54.49 | rty | Yes, the problem with fonts only since updating to 4.1.3 |
| 13:56.32 | anne | rty: I'll update as soon as I can but have to finish something first |
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| 13:56.55 | JLP | rty: so you updated from mandriva 2008 spring to 2009 or did you update default 2009 to kde 4.1.3? |
| 13:56.58 | rty | anne: What you will update? |
| 13:57.16 | anne | to 4.1.3 |
| 13:57.43 | rty | JLP: I have updated 2009 with kde 4.1.2 -> 4.1.3 |
| 13:58.55 | JLP | rty: hm, then i guess it is the best to report this to mandriva packagers, via their bugzilla at qa.mandriva.com or you can mention this on #mandriva-kde channel |
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| 14:12.20 | annew | JLP: what are the 'debug' repositories? |
| 14:17.05 | JLP | annew: packages with debuging symbols, so that when you get a crash dialog with backtrace you can have a usefull backtrace for developers |
| 14:17.31 | anne | ah - so best enabled when having problem? |
| 14:17.46 | anne | like frequent kontact crashes? |
| 14:18.57 | JLP | anne: yeah, if you have a frequent crash in kontact you just install the kdepim-debug and qt*-debug packages |
| 14:19.17 | JLP | and kdelibs debug |
| 14:19.18 | anne | ok - thaat's next step, then. thanks |
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| 14:30.05 | pinotree | smb://user:password@hostname |
| 14:30.33 | pinotree | hi dear user, could you please wait at least 10 minutes? thanks. |
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| 14:33.35 | pinotree | optimisations in the way the driver paints the screen? |
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| 14:34.10 | PhilRod | FloridaGuy: for me it makes a significant difference, but YMMV |
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| 14:34.37 | Half-Left | FloridaGuy: Pretty sure it accelerates Xrender alot more, esspecially 8/9 series |
| 14:34.46 | FloridaGuy | PhilRod, i notcied a big difference |
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| 14:37.15 | Half-Left | PhilRod: Do you get text rendering issue? |
| 14:37.35 | PhilRod | Half-Left: haven't noticed any |
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| 16:09.53 | buntfalke | I need a simple timer. Click to start, click to pause, another click to continue again. Wether it counts down from a preset value, or up, doesnt matter either. |
| 16:10.14 | buntfalke | KArm doesnt really do that. |
| 16:10.50 | annma | buntfalke: kde version? |
| 16:11.25 | buntfalke | 3.5.9, debian lenny |
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| 16:12.06 | annma | oh OK then, no suggestion |
| 16:12.16 | hellhound__ | i have just installed kde 4.1 with kopete 0.60.2 and I notice that my webcam works in the configure but I cannot get yahoo webcam invites or send them |
| 16:12.17 | buntfalke | I need to to effectively track the time i spend on a task, from start to end |
| 16:12.22 | buntfalke | allowing pauses |
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| 16:12.37 | buntfalke | annma: if it was 4.? what would you have recommended? |
| 16:13.12 | annma | there's a timer plasmoid I think |
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| 16:13.38 | buntfalke | hmm, i expected you'd say that :-) |
| 16:13.53 | buntfalke | Well. I'll have to code something myself then I guess... |
| 16:14.39 | anne | buntfalke: have you tried ktimetracker? |
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| 16:15.16 | buntfalke | anne: not yet. thanks, i'll give it a shot |
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| 16:16.10 | anne | http://userbase.kde.org/KTimeTracker |
| 16:17.50 | buntfalke | collides with my kde3 installation. debian doesnt really support mixing versions alot. |
| 16:18.51 | buntfalke | i'll try karm again, and some scripting. shouldnt be overly hard. i just need three functions (start, pause, reset/stop) anyway |
| 16:19.16 | buntfalke | If only there was a "cure" for lazyness :-D |
| 16:19.35 | buntfalke | Or, well. Actually, it's not lazyness. I'm just distracted too quickly. Like now... |
| 16:19.45 | buntfalke | goes work |
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| 16:22.36 | adi_ | hi all |
| 16:23.18 | adi_ | can anyone help to resolve some sound isses on kde4 kubuntu interpid |
| 16:23.44 | annma | ok explain your problem please |
| 16:24.03 | adi_ | audacity wont record and skype has playback problems |
| 16:24.16 | adi_ | amarok will play music though |
| 16:24.41 | adi_ | dell inspiron laptop kubuntu ineterpi kde 4.1 |
| 16:25.01 | annma | so in kde system settings in the Sound tab |
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| 16:25.20 | adi_ | I typed alsamixer in terminal and all slides are up |
| 16:25.46 | adi_ | dont know what to do :( |
| 16:25.52 | adi_ | any idea? |
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| 16:26.44 | adi_ | annma yes im in the sound tab |
| 16:26.55 | annma | in kde do you hear notifications? |
| 16:27.24 | annma | is your audio card listed correctly? |
| 16:27.53 | adi_ | no notification |
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| 16:28.14 | adi_ | how to know if sound card is listed ok |
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| 16:29.12 | annma | what is listed? |
| 16:31.07 | adi_ | some hda sound card and in the and pulseaudio |
| 16:32.38 | adi_ | I made a screenshot where can i post it for you to see |
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| 16:33.08 | annma | hda sound card is yours |
| 16:33.31 | annma | what backend do you use? |
| 16:34.19 | adi_ | intel hda stac92xx analog |
| 16:34.27 | adi_ | yes this should be my card |
| 16:35.11 | hellhound__ | i have just installed kde 4.1 with kopete 0.60.2 and I notice that my webcam works in the configure but I cannot get yahoo webcam invites or send them |
| 16:36.14 | adi_ | ok thanks |
| 16:36.18 | adi_ | gotta go |
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| 16:44.46 | p1und3r | can anyone help me get my sound working in fedora 10? i've been having problems with every friggin distro its a realtek 889 |
| 16:44.46 | Jimi__Hendrix | anyone here? |
| 16:45.00 | p1und3r | yea joe what you doing with that gun in yo hand |
| 16:45.21 | Jimi__Hendrix | lol |
| 16:45.33 | p1und3r | jimi is my favorite lol |
| 16:45.46 | Jimi__Hendrix | lol |
| 16:45.54 | p1und3r | you rocking the new f10? |
| 16:46.08 | Jimi__Hendrix | na i just installed arch...fedora did not like my wifi card |
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| 16:46.35 | p1und3r | damn man, every distro i install i can't get my sound to work |
| 16:46.49 | p1und3r | it driving me nutty |
| 16:46.57 | Jimi__Hendrix | did you try ubuntu...everything worked on there for me |
| 16:47.02 | p1und3r | yeah |
| 16:47.06 | p1und3r | i tried 8.10 |
| 16:47.41 | p1und3r | i actually got some sound out of ubuntu only when i went the OSS4 route |
| 16:47.56 | Jimi__Hendrix | well compiz broke my kde desktop in arch and im trying to figure out how to fix it... |
| 16:47.57 | p1und3r | which is total bullshit because u think have to manually make every damn program to output to OSS |
| 16:48.05 | Jimi__Hendrix | ouch |
| 16:48.20 | p1und3r | yeah thats beyond my lnux knowledge |
| 16:48.22 | p1und3r | =/ |
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| 16:49.13 | Jimi__Hendrix | ya im relatively new to linux |
| 16:49.14 | p1und3r | i need an alsa guru |
| 16:49.16 | p1und3r | lol |
| 16:49.31 | p1und3r | i was messing around with linux since like Red Hat 6 i think |
| 16:49.34 | Jimi__Hendrix | but do you have any idea how to make those little program tabs show up in a panel in KDE? |
| 16:49.43 | Jimi__Hendrix | i just started in June |
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| 16:49.57 | p1und3r | which little programs? |
| 16:50.52 | Jimi__Hendrix | like if i open up firefox that thing comes up in the bottom that says firefox and if i click it it gets minimized or maximized |
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| 16:52.22 | p1und3r | and whats your linux doing when u open firefox |
| 16:52.52 | Jimi__Hendrix | firefox opens but the little firefox tab doesnt appear in the panel |
| 16:53.03 | p1und3r | thats wierd mmm |
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| 16:53.27 | pinotree | <p1und3r> can anyone help me get my sound working in fedora 10? â you should ask in #fedora, this has nothing to do with kde |
| 16:53.54 | p1und3r | <pinotree> thanks for the advice i tried EVERYWHERE so i thought i'd give it a shot :p |
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| 16:54.08 | Jimi__Hendrix | lol |
| 16:54.11 | pinotree | no need to ask everywhere |
| 16:54.15 | p1und3r | <pinotree> i tried #alsa, #ubuntu, #fedora, #linux |
| 16:54.18 | Jimi__Hendrix | so anyone have any idea about my thing? |
| 16:54.20 | pinotree | you just need to be *patient* |
| 16:54.24 | p1und3r | of course theres a need to ask everywhere |
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| 16:54.40 | p1und3r | what, hows patience gunna help me |
| 16:54.41 | p1und3r | lol |
| 16:54.41 | pinotree | nope |
| 16:55.08 | p1und3r | i've been trying to figure this out for a week |
| 16:55.17 | pinotree | Jimi__Hendrix: it sounds like you need to add a taskbar to your panel (or even a panel)... which kde version are you running? |
| 16:55.42 | Jimi__Hendrix | kde4 |
| 16:55.43 | Hydrogen | adds a taskbar to pinotree's face |
| 16:55.59 | Jimi__Hendrix | asesome got it |
| 16:56.03 | Jimi__Hendrix | awesome* |
| 16:56.05 | pinotree | Hydrogen: (pointless, i'm not multitasking anyway) |
| 16:56.29 | pinotree | Jimi__Hendrix: right click on the panel â add widget then drag the taskbar widget to the panel |
| 16:57.01 | p1und3r | this kde f10 comes with is sexy |
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| 16:59.11 | Jimi__Hendrix | ok now how do i add the 4 screen thingies |
| 16:59.31 | pinotree | same as before, just add a pager |
| 17:00.10 | pinotree | all the elements you add in either panels or on the desktop are widgets, and you add them using the way i told you above (for example) |
| 17:00.48 | Jimi__Hendrix | ok and third thing |
| 17:00.56 | Jimi__Hendrix | how do i install new window decorations? |
| 17:01.41 | pinotree | if your distro provides packages for them, install them |
| 17:01.57 | pinotree | otherwise, you have to download and compile them manually |
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| 17:02.26 | Jimi__Hendrix | how would i see them before i downlaod them? |
| 17:02.42 | Jimi__Hendrix | and whats a test package i search for to see if arch provides them |
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| 17:03.41 | pinotree | for distro packages, ask in #archlinux |
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| 17:04.16 | pinotree | about "see before downloading": well, usually authors provide screenshots of them in their websites |
| 17:05.27 | Jimi__Hendrix | wait can i use dekorator or what ever its called...since there are very few kde4 window decorators in kde-look |
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| 17:07.53 | Krooks | Which package do I need if I want a popup screen when I plug in a usb drive ? |
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| 17:09.44 | JLP | Krooks: add Device Notifier widget to the panel or on desktop |
| 17:09.55 | FiNeX | hi! |
| 17:10.16 | Krooks | JLP: I'm running 4.1.73 |
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| 17:40.47 | squid0 | hi. I'm looking for a good RSS reader for kde 4. Any recommendations? |
| 17:41.03 | Hum | akregator? |
| 17:42.02 | squid0 | besides akregator? I'm doing a bit of 'shopping' |
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| 17:43.07 | Hum | that's the only one that i know of :( |
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| 17:43.15 | aikie | how can I force filter execution in knode? |
| 17:43.18 | squid0 | thanks, Hum |
| 17:43.41 | william__ | KNODE ? |
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| 17:44.13 | aikie | I mean kmail |
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| 17:44.38 | pinotree | aikie: ctrl+j |
| 17:46.21 | william__ | good pinotree |
| 17:47.42 | siekacz | is it possible to create a transparent theme for KDE 4? |
| 17:47.55 | william__ | Who uses the NagiOS ? |
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| 17:48.31 | william__ | YES siekacz . |
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| 17:50.02 | aikie | thanks, but that only works when selecting one message, is there a way to execute the filters for all messages in the inbox? |
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| 17:53.42 | Thoradin | hi there, can i configure kwin that everytime i pick one of the gimp windows, the other ones come to foreground as well? |
| 17:54.10 | nordle | hello. Where do apps like K3b, Amarok, Kaffeine etc get their font settings from? Or is this a QT question? (kde 3.5.9, qt 3.3.8) Thanks. |
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| 17:54.53 | ste | hello, I'm having some problems while playing videos... every player I use (dragon, mplayer) randomly freezes for about 1 sec, it's quite annoying. I'm running kde 4.1.3 (kubuntu) but I can't understand whether it's something related to kde or kubuntu... any hints? |
| 17:55.05 | ld50 | when my session gets locked i cant unlock it, it says "Unlocking failed", any ideas why? |
| 17:55.09 | Thoradin | @nordle with kde3.5 try "kcontrol" |
| 17:55.57 | nordle | Thoradin: Don't have it. There must be a txt file or something storing it. I've tried qtconfig and it makes no difference. |
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| 17:56.21 | nordle | I've only really got kdelibs installed and dont want to add any more. |
| 17:56.41 | Hum | try in the .kde folder then |
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| 17:57.10 | nordle | Hum: I have, couldn't find anything. |
| 17:57.19 | Hum | :( |
| 17:57.20 | pinotree | nordle: what is your real problem? |
| 17:58.58 | nordle | pinotree: That all QT apps have a font size of something like 6 and I would like to change it, without installing a load of extra stuff if possible. Qtconfig is installed, but although its now set to 18 it make no difference. |
| 17:59.14 | nordle | Kaffeine, Amarok, K3b etc |
| 17:59.18 | pinotree | a) it is Qt |
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| 17:59.34 | pinotree | b) you then don't want "Qt applications", but "KDE applications" |
| 18:01.06 | pinotree | c) you want what it is ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals |
| 18:01.24 | pinotree | d) the suggested step is installing the font configuration module |
| 18:01.29 | pinotree | nordle: âââ |
| 18:01.39 | nordle | I'm there :) but nothing about font is mentioned :( |
| 18:02.05 | pinotree | did you never run kde3 before, or changed kde3 fonts? |
| 18:03.30 | nordle | Is there not something like gtkrc with "font_name" = Sans 13 etc? I used kde for 7 years, then moved to xfce, but kept running apps like kaffeine, k3b and amarok. I've also got kde wallet manager left over from a while ago, again, same small font. |
| 18:04.15 | pinotree | grep -i font ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals |
| 18:05.02 | nordle | nothing. |
| 18:06.25 | pinotree | ls -1a | grep "\.kde" |
| 18:07.09 | nordle | .kde |
| 18:07.58 | pinotree | did you set them in kde4? |
| 18:08.49 | nordle | dont have kde4... But I've just found a cached link to someones kdeglobals file and can see the structure of the font line, I might just have a go at putting it in and see if it works. |
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| 18:09.32 | pinotree | (then why cannot you install a simple font configuration module?) |
| 18:10.20 | Half-Left | So how do you get akonadi control to register with dbus? |
| 18:10.43 | nordle | pinotree: What module would this be please? Where from? |
| 18:10.49 | pinotree | kdebase |
| 18:11.34 | PhilRod | Half-Left: hrm, sounds like you're having a similar problem to me - are you using the internal mysql server? do you get permissions errors when you run "akonadictl start"? |
| 18:11.55 | Half-Left | PhilRod: internal one yer |
| 18:12.52 | Half-Left | PhilRod: That says it crashes |
| 18:14.00 | Half-Left | PhilRod: So everytime I launch kopete or kmail or login I get a long delay |
| 18:14.40 | mini-man | this is mainly a stupid question, but I'll ask anyway... |
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| 18:15.31 | mini-man | is there a way in KDE4 to make the taskbar to use multiple rows only when it runs out of space? |
| 18:15.45 | pinotree | (why should be it stupid?) |
| 18:15.51 | PhilRod | Half-Left: do you see any mysql errors in that output? I have: Query error: "Access denied for user ''@'localhost' to database 'akonadi' QMYSQL: Unable to execute query" |
| 18:15.59 | pinotree | in kde 4.2 it is possible |
| 18:16.08 | mini-man | I'm using 4.2 :o |
| 18:16.14 | Half-Left | PhilRod: "The QtSQL driver 'QMYSQL' is required by your current Akonadi server configuration." |
| 18:16.16 | mini-man | can't find any option that does this |
| 18:16.36 | White_Pelican | kde 4.2 is not avalaible |
| 18:16.41 | White_Pelican | it hasn't been made yet |
| 18:16.45 | mini-man | wat |
| 18:16.47 | mini-man | lol |
| 18:16.49 | White_Pelican | unles thsi is future world :) |
| 18:17.24 | mini-man | well I assumed the feature was already implemented in the trunks, or pinotree wouldn't know about it.. :P |
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| 18:17.59 | PhilRod | Half-Left: ok, I got past that one by building the qt mysql plugin (reconfigure with "-sql-plugin-mysql" then run make in qt-copy/src/plugins/sqldrivers) |
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| 18:18.43 | Half-Left | PhilRod: I had to compile mysql manually because of a 64bit error with amarok2 |
| 18:19.22 | nordle | pinotree: Cracked it: [General] font=Sans Serif,12,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 menuFont=Sans Serif,12,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 |
| 18:19.29 | Half-Left | I dont build Qt-copy |
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| 18:26.07 | PhilRod | Half-Left: hrm, I guess you need to get the plugin from *somewhere* then (unless you know how to get akonadi to use some other db) |
| 18:26.39 | farhad_hf | hi |
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| 18:28.08 | farhad_hf | i have problems with updating kde svn . i've got kde svn on a DVD from my friend. but i cant uodate it with svn up : http://paste.ubuntu.com/76037/ |
| 18:28.10 | Half-Left | PhilRod: It really shouldn't be trying to start everytime, seems abit over the top |
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| 18:29.05 | pinotree | farhad_hf: do you have an svn account, or your friend does? |
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| 18:29.33 | farhad_hf | the same error while trying to update qt-copy (Permission denied (publickey).) |
| 18:29.51 | farhad_hf | pinotree: i think he has one. but i dont have |
| 18:30.34 | pinotree | then you cannot use that checkout that way, you have to switch to an anonymous svn server |
| 18:30.34 | farhad_hf | what can i do? |
| 18:31.06 | pinotree | first, execute: svn info | grep URL |
| 18:31.35 | farhad_hf | pinotree: svn+ssh://esedgh@svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE |
| 18:31.47 | pinotree | (i think i know who is your friend) |
| 18:32.03 | farhad_hf | he is emilsedgh |
| 18:32.04 | PhilRod | Half-Left: yeah, sounds like the sort of thing that could be handled more gracefully, especially since I can't see any lack of functionality without it |
| 18:32.10 | pinotree | is that a complete checkout of KDE/ ? can you do: ls? |
| 18:32.24 | PhilRod | Half-Left: still, it *is* bleeding edge, and it only went in in the last week or so |
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| 18:32.45 | farhad_hf | pinotree: http://paste.ubuntu.com/76039/ |
| 18:33.06 | Half-Left | PhilRod: Yep true |
| 18:34.24 | farhad_hf | pinotree: it's complete i think . |
| 18:34.27 | pinotree | farhad_hf: then do the following: |
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| 18:35.03 | pinotree | svn switch --relocate svn+ssh://esedgh@svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE |
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| 18:37.20 | hyper__ch | huhu |
| 18:37.53 | farhad_hf | pinotree: tnx |
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| 18:40.21 | DelphiWorld | hi my friends |
| 18:40.26 | DelphiWorld | please try to help me |
| 18:40.42 | DelphiWorld | i have Fedora-COR 6 with KDE / GNOME Installed |
| 18:40.49 | DelphiWorld | i want a screen reader for KDE |
| 18:41.05 | DelphiWorld | please try to give me a step by step Page tha Guide me for tha |
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| 18:42.06 | manish | Is it possible to get a mac style menu bar in KDE 4.1.3 |
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| 18:42.46 | Half-Left | no |
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| 18:45.09 | manish | Halfleft: there are many forums in the net that say it is possible, but being a new bie I dont understand the process. Would you like to have a look on those and then reply me back on my question// |
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| 18:45.28 | Sput | hmm, are there any known issues about kdm not logging in with some dbus error in current trunk? |
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| 18:46.25 | Half-Left | manish: I know of the bespin theme that can sort of do it but thats about it |
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| 18:47.52 | manish | Half left: www.pastebin.ubuntu.com/76044 |
| 18:48.34 | manish | check the link it says that its possible |
| 18:48.52 | manish | http://www.pastebin.ubuntu.com/76045 |
| 18:48.56 | manish | check this also |
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| 18:49.54 | manish | ne idea what does it mean because as mentioned in the URL of the second link my computer does not have"configure desktop |
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| 18:50.53 | manish | Halfleft: can you see my post...? |
| 18:50.54 | Half-Left | manish: bad links |
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| 18:53.09 | manish | halfleft thats the place i pasted the URL. Ok i write down here: check this out. ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=241868&page=13 |
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| 18:53.22 | manish | ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=241868&page=13 |
| 18:53.28 | woden | How do I make it so that I can drag tabs to re-arrange them (in Konqueror)? |
| 18:54.36 | manish | Halfleft: can you open it now...? |
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| 18:55.44 | Half-Left | What makes you think I can do this, I'm not going to random links to figure this out |
| 18:57.13 | manish | halfleft: these are not random links. They have the exact procedure to complete this. The only problem is I dont understand what is he trying to tell me |
| 18:57.53 | manish | ok can you tell me how do i upgrade to KDE 4.2 from KDE 4.1.3 |
| 18:58.13 | manish | can you do that atleast Halfleft: PLEASE :) |
| 18:58.50 | woden | How do I make it so that I can drag tabs to re-arrange them (in Konqueror)? |
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| 18:59.14 | pinotree | woden: no need to ask every 5 minutes... |
| 18:59.17 | Half-Left | manish: I dont see nothing about KDE4 on there |
| 18:59.42 | Half-Left | You can't do it, it's not the same as xfce and gnome |
| 18:59.42 | pinotree | woden: beside a bit more of patience, drag the tabs with the middle mouse button |
| 19:00.51 | mini-man | before I possibly reinvent the wheel...is there something like libnotify for KDE? |
| 19:00.59 | mini-man | ie, native KDE3/4 notifications? |
| 19:01.08 | Half-Left | plasma |
| 19:01.11 | pinotree | knotify4 |
| 19:01.13 | gr1m-lap | knotify is in kde3 |
| 19:01.17 | gr1m-lap | I'm sure 4 has one too |
| 19:01.32 | mini-man | aha, thanks pinotree, gr1m-lap :D |
| 19:01.49 | gr1m-lap | it's the reason every kde app has an indentical notifications config dialog :) |
| 19:01.56 | manish | HalfLeft: It discussed how to make my menu bar like OS X |
| 19:01.56 | manish | ok Thanks for that info |
| 19:02.01 | manish | ne ways can i atleast upgrade to KDE 4.2 and would it be nice for a new bie like me |
| 19:02.06 | Half-Left | in trunk it uses them nice |
| 19:02.16 | pinotree | mini-man: do you need a c++ library or just some notification via dbus? |
| 19:02.23 | Half-Left | manish: It's only just getting to beta |
| 19:02.34 | gr1m-lap | kde 4.2 is not out yet last I looked |
| 19:03.07 | Half-Left | Stick with 4.1.x if you a newbie |
| 19:03.15 | manish | so .... U mean i should not upgrade to it... That is what you suggest... Right...? |
| 19:03.37 | manish | ok thanks for all that info... have a nice weekend |
| 19:04.08 | pinotree | (well, weekend is over...) |
| 19:04.37 | Half-Left | yep |
| 19:04.46 | Half-Left | weekends are boring :p |
| 19:04.47 | gr1m-lap | :( |
| 19:04.58 | gr1m-lap | it's all good though |
| 19:05.04 | gr1m-lap | 5 days paid time off next week |
| 19:05.05 | gr1m-lap | wooo |
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| 19:07.46 | tictric | buntfalke: if you're still active that moneyplex is not Qt but a kylix thing if you're still interested. It runs on 4.1.* |
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| 19:07.58 | tictric | without problems |
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| 19:08.27 | tictric | with kde4.0.* I couldn't run it at the beginning |
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| 19:10.56 | buntfalke | tictric: Kylix? Eewwwww! |
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| 19:11.43 | buntfalke | tictric: Well...if it does the job, that's fine, but I surely won't pay for Kylix applications :-) so if at all, I'll use the freeware version. |
| 19:11.54 | buntfalke | thanks for letting me now |
| 19:12.15 | Jimi__Hendrix | how do i make it so that only the programs on a desktop are on the taskbar for that deskto (like in gnome) |
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| 19:12.59 | buntfalke | Jimi__Hendrix: rightclick the taskbar, go to setup/settings/whatever and then select taskbar and change the settings |
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| 19:20.43 | Jimi__Hendrix | thanks bunt |
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| 19:30.09 | scyth | is there a way to move/position icons on the panel at will ? |
| 19:30.28 | scyth | i'm using 4.1.3 |
| 19:32.40 | scyth | it's extremely anoying |
| 19:32.41 | annma_ | yes a sort of cross appears |
| 19:32.54 | annma_ | when you are in panel settings mode |
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| 19:37.18 | mini-man | pinotree: found docs on doing it via dbus with python :] |
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| 19:38.49 | eljefe | I've installed digiKam 0.10.0-beta2 (KDE4) from Debian Experimental but I cannot seem to get it to actually display anything except the Welcome screen, how do I get my Albums to actually show on the right side of the screen? |
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| 19:40.03 | scyth | annma_, yes but I can't position icons/clock/widgets wherever I want... |
| 19:40.21 | scyth | i can move them but there's too much space between widgets |
| 19:40.44 | scyth | clock takes around 4cm on my screen .. then the next widget.. and so on |
| 19:41.17 | scyth | i can't figure out how to reduce each widget size (width) |
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| 19:46.05 | scyth | this happens when there's not taskbar widget on the panel |
| 19:46.27 | scyth | because, usualy, taskbar consumes all of the available space |
| 19:46.48 | pgib | YES Taskmanager rows in 4.2 SVN |
| 19:46.49 | pgib | thanks |
| 19:46.51 | scyth | so clock stays on the right side, where it should be |
| 19:47.11 | Half-Left | scyth: Yep |
| 19:48.03 | scyth | well, that should not be happening, right ?:) |
| 19:48.45 | Half-Left | know issue |
| 19:49.00 | Half-Left | 4.2 solves alot of panel issues |
| 19:49.09 | Half-Left | will solve* |
| 19:49.12 | scyth | oh, ok |
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| 19:49.33 | Half-Left | it's alot more easier to use, drag and drop, more functional |
| 19:49.54 | scyth | we all miss panel resizing (height) |
| 19:50.02 | pgib | my program list is empty.. but probably a distro issue |
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| 19:50.22 | Half-Left | scyth: You can resize the panel in 4.1 |
| 19:50.28 | Half-Left | height |
| 19:50.47 | scyth | how ? |
| 19:50.52 | arezey | hmm... so is kde4.1 more memory consuming or less memory consuming than kde3? and does it need hardware acceleration, as i have seen it as? |
| 19:51.11 | Half-Left | Panel options and the top of the options panel drag it up |
| 19:51.24 | thiago_home | arezey: depends on what you turn on. |
| 19:51.42 | thiago_home | arezey: if you turn everything on, all bells and whistles, it'll use more memory and it'll need hardware acceleration |
| 19:51.47 | scyth | Half-Left, nice. cool. |
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| 19:52.01 | Half-Left | scyth: It's alot more easier in the coming 4.2, there option for it is very clear |
| 19:52.14 | cheater-conrad | hey, how do you change font color in kde4 |
| 19:52.17 | cheater-conrad | like from white to black |
| 19:52.19 | arezey | right. what about if you use the minimum (= desktop, no plasma applets other than desktop and panels, text editor and so on)? |
| 19:52.43 | thiago_home | then it should use about the same amount of memory; no HW acceleration needed. |
| 19:52.55 | arezey | right, then. |
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| 19:53.52 | arezey | thanks, gonna try it if i find debian packages for it. |
| 19:53.52 | Half-Left | scyth: http://imagebin.ca/view/dLIskhxB.html |
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| 19:54.25 | scyth | Half-Left, is Konsole transparency in schedule for the future releases ? (I know that transparency is available through composite desktop effects, but that's kinda nonsense) |
| 19:55.03 | Half-Left | why? |
| 19:55.30 | scyth | I don't want composite enabled.. because it slows down my whole DE |
| 19:55.39 | Half-Left | Compositing makes top level windows support it |
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| 19:55.48 | Pinaraf | scyth: without composite there is *no* transparency possible. |
| 19:56.03 | Half-Left | Pinaraf: Thats not quite true |
| 19:56.12 | scyth | then, how was it done in the previous (3.x) versions ? |
| 19:56.18 | Pinaraf | Half-Left: hacks don't make transparency. |
| 19:56.25 | Half-Left | Plasma can do transparency without the need for composte |
| 19:56.32 | Pinaraf | scyth: it was broken transparency |
| 19:56.40 | scyth | Pinaraf, it worked just fine :) |
| 19:56.56 | Pinaraf | Half-Left: show me a translucent panel without composite then... good luck with that |
| 19:57.12 | Half-Left | Pinaraf: plasma widgets use the argb from xorg directly so you dont need composite |
| 19:57.17 | Pinaraf | translucent plasmoids is possible, since plasma controls everything behind it |
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| 19:57.22 | Pinaraf | you need composite for argb |
| 19:57.32 | Pinaraf | there is nothing magical here |
| 19:57.45 | Pinaraf | composite is really the only way in X to get real transparency |
| 19:57.55 | Half-Left | Pinaraf: want me to show you proper transparency without composite? |
| 19:58.08 | Half-Left | You have 4.x? |
| 19:58.10 | Pinaraf | Half-Left: if you say it's possible, just do it |
| 19:58.12 | Pinaraf | sure |
| 19:58.23 | Half-Left | Look at folderview |
| 19:58.28 | Pinaraf | yes |
| 19:58.33 | Half-Left | it's transparent |
| 19:58.45 | Pinaraf | sure, now put a window under your folderview |
| 19:58.53 | Pinaraf | and you'll see it's not transparent at all without composite |
| 19:59.14 | Half-Left | it's a lower level window |
| 19:59.19 | cheater-conrad | anyone |
| 19:59.24 | cheater-conrad | how can i change the font color on the task bar |
| 19:59.26 | cheater-conrad | kde 4.1.3 |
| 19:59.29 | Half-Left | You can put other widgets under it and it wil show them |
| 19:59.44 | Pinaraf | sure, they all share the same process, the same QGraphicsScene |
| 19:59.58 | Pinaraf | now, try to do that with several different processes, different windows |
| 20:00.12 | Half-Left | They are not windows thats why |
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| 20:00.22 | Half-Left | Windows DO need composting |
| 20:00.22 | Pinaraf | no, they are just QGraphicsItem |
| 20:00.31 | Pinaraf | yes, and we are speaking about Konsole |
| 20:00.46 | Pinaraf | as far as I know, konsole is an application with its own windows, not a plasmoid |
| 20:01.05 | scyth | noone wants to see other windows behind Konsole ... just the desktop background |
| 20:01.15 | pgib | hmm the little panel settings button displays on the wrong side on my 4.2 |
| 20:01.18 | Pinaraf | BTW, scyth, what gfx driver do you have to have composite slowing down your DE ? |
| 20:01.30 | Pinaraf | scyth: that's not transparency then |
| 20:01.34 | scyth | latest nvidia beta drivers |
| 20:01.41 | Half-Left | Sure and that is correct but I was pointing out that you dont need composting to show transparency with plasma widgets |
| 20:02.04 | Half-Left | Because you (could) have a konsole widget |
| 20:02.13 | scyth | it's faster then before... but hell ... i just don't want composite enabled... all I need is Konsole background transparency, nothing more |
| 20:02.15 | Pinaraf | Half-Left: that's not the same kind of transparency we were speaking about |
| 20:02.23 | Pinaraf | we were speaking about an application, not plasma |
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| 20:02.51 | Half-Left | Depends how you are talking,I'm just pointing this out |
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| 20:04.05 | Half-Left | Plasma blurs that line between application and widget to some people |
| 20:05.54 | scyth | well, you can call it "fake desktop background transparency".. but I think that's what most people were using |
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| 20:06.08 | scyth | it would be nice to have that option around |
| 20:06.18 | Half-Left | It's ugly |
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| 20:12.57 | scyth | :) |
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| 20:13.38 | scyth | brb |
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| 20:17.31 | cnu | how do i take screenshots in kde4? in kde3 i got this nice dialog and stuff :d |
| 20:17.40 | cnu | (when i pressed print scrn) |
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| 20:18.13 | thiago_home | use ksnapshot |
| 20:18.17 | thiago_home | which is the same nice dialog... |
| 20:18.33 | spectral | anyway to disable the trashcan in kde4? |
| 20:19.09 | annma | disable how? |
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| 20:19.33 | spectral | so the default action for delete isn't "archive in huge useless trashcan folder" |
| 20:20.43 | spectral | rather "just delete it, like it should do" |
| 20:21.32 | Half-Left | spectral: Dolphin optinos, >Configure Dolphin |
| 20:21.37 | pgib | hmm, does anyone know why the Applications menu on the app launcher would be empty? |
| 20:21.43 | Half-Left | options* |
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| 20:22.14 | spectral | Half-Left: i don't see anything related to trashcan there |
| 20:22.46 | Half-Left | spectral: You want to delete without it going to trash in Dolphin? |
| 20:22.53 | spectral | yes |
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| 20:23.19 | l3on | Hi all, where can I find the Krunner svn code source ? |
| 20:23.26 | spectral | without pressing shit-delete.. just delete |
| 20:23.31 | spectral | shift* sorry :P |
| 20:23.35 | Half-Left | Dolphin preferences>General>Show Delete Command |
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| 20:23.57 | annma | l3on: in kdebase code I think |
| 20:24.19 | l3on | annew: yes, I just found it: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/krunner/ |
| 20:24.20 | l3on | tnx |
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| 20:24.39 | spectral | ah i can change the shortcut.. |
| 20:24.52 | spectral | but there is no systemwide setting for that? |
| 20:25.20 | Half-Left | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.21 | thiago_home | no |
| 20:25.31 | spectral | :( |
| 20:26.05 | cnu | thiago_home, thank you :> |
| 20:26.34 | pgib | is there a way to get KDE to reindex the list of installed apps? |
| 20:26.48 | thiago_home | pgib: kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental |
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| 20:28.29 | pgib | hmm odd. still empty (This is kde svn) |
| 20:28.47 | thiago_home | what is empty? |
| 20:28.50 | thiago_home | the K menu? |
| 20:28.55 | annma | you just installed first time? |
| 20:29.05 | pgib | oops, never said the original problem. Yes, K Menu, yes first time |
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| 20:29.42 | annma | did you set xdg vars correctly? |
| 20:30.19 | annma | did you build following techbase doc or using a distro? |
| 20:31.14 | pgib | I used a distro. I used the neon-project repo for ubuntu |
| 20:31.28 | annma | oh so you'd better see with them |
| 20:31.54 | annma | is it a new user or an old kde3 user |
| 20:32.17 | pgib | existing user |
| 20:32.21 | pgib | maybe kill .kde? |
| 20:32.27 | pgib | I mean, move it |
| 20:32.30 | annma | try a new user instead |
| 20:32.49 | annma | move .kde if you want, never remove it |
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| 20:35.19 | pgib | Hmm.. still empty, I had apps back in 4.1.x, I guess I may revert back for a whjle. I was wanting to test this out though |
| 20:37.19 | annma | tell the neon project it does not work then |
| 20:37.48 | pgib | will do. also, what is the name of the little button that display plasma panel settings? |
| 20:38.05 | thiago_home | cashew |
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| 20:38.20 | annma | or more formally: toolbox |
| 20:38.47 | pgib | OK. well cashew is hanging out on the left side of the panel even though there is a margin for him on the right side |
| 20:39.59 | thiago_home | I've seen that |
| 20:40.19 | annma | it'll be fixed soon |
| 20:40.30 | pgib | anything I should test? oh ok, so you guys already know what is wrong |
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| 21:09.06 | lpjhjdh | anybody experience the 'white/black windows' with opengl 'desktop effects' and an intel card? |
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| 21:12.39 | abdelhadi_ | Please can anyone give me the name of the channel related to : Asterisk ??? |
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| 21:13.46 | annew | exit |
| 21:13.56 | annew | oops - sorry - wrong window |
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| 21:15.59 | abdelhadi__ | Anyone knows the channel of : Asterisk support please ? |
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| 21:16.19 | fung | hey guys, need some help. after doing my regular daily update (running opensuse 11), my kde broke and gives an error "Could not start kdeinit4. Check your installation." any ideas? |
| 21:17.18 | thiago_home | fung: yes: #opensuse |
| 21:17.42 | fung | yes I'm there right now.. nobody seems to know what's going on |
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| 21:18.01 | thiago_home | we know even less |
| 21:18.24 | fung | this isn't a kde error? |
| 21:18.28 | lpjhjdh | locate kdeinit4 could at least tell you if it's even on your system. Probably a good place to start |
| 21:18.44 | thiago_home | no |
| 21:18.55 | thiago_home | since kdeinit4 works fine here, KDE is working fine |
| 21:18.59 | thiago_home | therefore, it's not a KDE problem |
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| 21:19.50 | fung | oh ok. well thanks anyway |
| 21:20.10 | lpjhjdh | look at startkde |
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| 21:20.39 | lpjhjdh | line 396 |
| 21:21.00 | lpjhjdh | at least that's where the message gets emitted |
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| 21:21.25 | thiago_home | line 396 is: test -n "$KDEWM" && KDEWM="--windowmanager $KDEWM" |
| 21:21.33 | fung | kdeinit4: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkio.so.5: undefined symbol _long name |
| 21:21.35 | fung | oh |
| 21:21.37 | fung | one sec |
| 21:21.55 | thiago_home | that's not a KDE error |
| 21:21.59 | thiago_home | that's a build error |
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| 21:22.15 | fung | oh great. lucky me |
| 21:22.33 | lpjhjdh | hm, mine is LD_BIND_NOW=true kdeinit4 +kcminit_startup |
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| 21:23.10 | lpjhjdh | oh, I'm running 4.1.2, sorry |
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| 21:23.21 | thiago_home | that's line 368 here (4.1.80) |
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| 21:27.55 | bud12345 | I don't know about you guys, but I really, really dislike dolphin. |
| 21:28.53 | bud12345 | And KDE4 seems so buggy - it's surprising, I've been using KDE since like version 1, but version 4 seems really not ready for primetime. |
| 21:28.53 | lpjhjdh | I like it |
| 21:29.00 | bud12345 | It's like a beta version or something. |
| 21:29.24 | bud12345 | lp: I read some threads where some people really liked it, and I know you can change konq back to the default file manager. |
| 21:29.34 | bud12345 | But I really like the power of konq as a file manager. |
| 21:29.42 | lpjhjdh | yeah |
| 21:30.08 | lpjhjdh | do you guys get severe blocking-like behavior when loading some pages with konq? |
| 21:30.12 | bud12345 | I'm a little unhappy that konq is going towards web browser and dolphin towards file manager - I regularly use multiple panes with file view/web view in konq. |
| 21:30.22 | bud12345 | KDE4 or 3? |
| 21:30.25 | lpjhjdh | 4 |
| 21:30.53 | bud12345 | I've installed maybe 5 SUSE 11 boxes in the past few months and each time I took KDE 3.5 after first trying 4.0. |
| 21:31.05 | lpjhjdh | although konq will still be able to embed a file browser |
| 21:31.08 | bud12345 | I love KDE, but I'm a little worried. |
| 21:31.26 | lpjhjdh | yeah, it's definitely missing feature, but that's just because there was so much to do |
| 21:31.28 | bud12345 | yeah, I read that, but you know it worries me that it will be sorta dropped to the wayside over time. |
| 21:31.56 | bud12345 | I thought konq was like, the perfect app. |
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| 21:32.10 | lpjhjdh | I think they released it just to get people to use it and to show a product |
| 21:32.21 | bud12345 | I installed KDE 3.5 on a friend's box a few weeks back and showed her all that konq can do and she was really amazed (coming from XP) |
| 21:32.28 | thiago_home | you know that konqueror still does what it used to do, right? |
| 21:32.34 | lpjhjdh | for folks like me that are in the cli most of the time i'm very happy to have a release |
| 21:32.44 | bud12345 | Honestly, it seems to be the worst "release" in their history. |
| 21:32.52 | bud12345 | I mean, from a bug standpoint. |
| 21:33.04 | thiago_home | bud12345: compare 4.0 to 2.0 |
| 21:33.08 | bud12345 | I realize I may be old and stodgy and not so open to changes. |
| 21:33.25 | thiago_home | do you remember 2.0? |
| 21:33.29 | bud12345 | I don't recall 2.0 being buggy, but ... haha oh yeah! |
| 21:33.32 | bud12345 | LOL |
| 21:33.36 | thiago_home | it was very buggy |
| 21:33.43 | thiago_home | and couldn't do much |
| 21:33.48 | bud12345 | I remember using konq in 2.0 to delete a directory, and it FOLLOWED a SYMLINK! |
| 21:33.57 | bud12345 | I thought I was going to throw up. |
| 21:34.11 | bud12345 | It really ruined a lot of data.. haha... I'd forgotten all about that. :) |
| 21:34.26 | lpjhjdh | plus, if you look at the rate at which stuff is getting added/fixed it's pretty amazing |
| 21:34.35 | lpjhjdh | for how buggy 4.0 was |
| 21:35.25 | thiago_home | bud12345: see http://kde.org/history/kde-threeb1.php |
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| 21:35.36 | bud12345 | Yeah, I know, and sticking with 3.5 is fine for now, but seeing such a large release... maybe I just need to give it time. |
| 21:35.56 | thiago_home | http://kde.org/history/kde-threeb2.php |
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| 21:37.07 | lpjhjdh | so do either of you guys get periods of frozen UI when browsing with konq? |
| 21:38.06 | bud12345 | Sorry, I don't use 4. |
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| 21:38.15 | thiago_home | lpjhjdh: nothing here |
| 21:38.26 | aikie | hi, howcome window resizing is so slow in kde4? |
| 21:38.32 | thiago_home | aikie: konsole? |
| 21:38.44 | aikie | are there specific effects that I should disable to get better performance |
| 21:38.53 | thiago_home | all of them |
| 21:38.58 | aikie | all of them |
| 21:39.03 | lpjhjdh | I think compiz has pretty slow resizing too |
| 21:39.17 | lpjhjdh | that's more of an X issue |
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| 21:39.19 | thiago_home | resizing is fine here, except for konsole |
| 21:39.55 | aikie | it can take about a second before my window is actually resized |
| 21:40.25 | aikie | and even up to 5 sec |
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| 21:41.43 | diggernet | howdy |
| 21:43.51 | diggernet | got a frustrating problem with KDE4... it is incorrectly detecting that my max display res is 800x600, and I can't find anywhere where I can select the display hardware settings |
| 21:44.26 | lpjhjdh | xrandr -q |
| 21:45.00 | diggernet | says maximum 800x600. which is wrong |
| 21:45.10 | lpjhjdh | that's X |
| 21:45.21 | diggernet | yes |
| 21:45.28 | lpjhjdh | you said KDE4 |
| 21:45.49 | diggernet | in KDE3 I could select my display drivers. where is that in KDE4? |
| 21:46.51 | lpjhjdh | system settings -> display? Sorry if that's obvious. |
| 21:47.47 | diggernet | nothing in there about hardware settings. the KDE help center says there's a hardware section there, but there isn't. :( |
| 21:48.28 | diggernet | 'course, it also talks about "Administrator Mode", which seems to be history, too. |
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| 21:50.34 | lpjhjdh | try something like lshw? |
| 21:52.37 | diggernet | that detects the right chipset, at least. don't suppose you know how to tell this new version of X what driver to use? |
| 21:53.16 | lpjhjdh | under Section "Device" |
| 21:53.22 | lpjhjdh | Driver |
| 21:54.15 | diggernet | xorg.conf is basically empty: |
| 21:54.16 | diggernet | Section "Device" |
| 21:54.16 | diggernet | Identifier "Configured Video Device" |
| 21:54.16 | diggernet | EndSection |
| 21:54.39 | lpjhjdh | ooh, what distro are you using? |
| 21:54.50 | lpjhjdh | unfortunatley I |
| 21:55.05 | lpjhjdh | 'm not well versed in some of this new auto-setup business ubuntu seems to have |
| 21:55.48 | diggernet | kubuntu 8.10. but this new auto-setup X is an X.org thing, not custom for ubuntu. |
| 21:56.08 | diggernet | which is fine, if it would just detect the settings right :) |
| 21:56.16 | lpjhjdh | true |
| 21:56.54 | lpjhjdh | I guess I still do things the ghetto way so my only suggestion is to use a hand written Xorg.conf |
| 21:57.59 | diggernet | yeah, that can be SO painful though |
| 21:58.14 | lpjhjdh | maybe http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/need-help-with-xorg.conf-and-resolutions-362640/ |
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| 22:00.59 | diggernet | hm, interesting. let's see what that does... |
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| 22:02.45 | lfranchi | how do i search nepomuk metadata? |
| 22:02.54 | lfranchi | just got nepomuk on os x functioning and wants to try to search it |
| 22:04.19 | diggernet | well, that was fun. it reconfigured by writing me a fresh new almost-empty xorg.conf :) |
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| 22:05.09 | lpjhjdh | damn |
| 22:05.10 | BOBSONATOR | hey guys, what are the main differences between KDE4.2 & 4.13? is it really faster? |
| 22:05.28 | lpjhjdh | quite a bit more software |
| 22:07.55 | lpjhjdh | diggernet: I think your best bet is to bring this up with the ubuntu folks |
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| 22:08.24 | lpjhjdh | they've surely seen it before |
| 22:09.40 | diggernet | yeah, or maybe the X folks. I guess my only issue with KDE4 is that there seems to no longer be a way to manually fiddle with the display driver. but that's a secondary problem, I guess |
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| 22:09.56 | diggernet | ah well, tnx for the effort |
| 22:10.06 | lpjhjdh | yeah, hope you fix it |
| 22:10.10 | diggernet | me too :) |
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| 22:53.09 | BOBSONATOR | hey guys, is there any reason that i have direct rendering working, but i kwin doesnt turn on? |
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| 23:27.30 | pedepy | so why doesnt konqueror support repeat-x for background images?. |
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| 23:33.18 | flami | Hi, can Kopete notify when theres some mail on my hotmail account ? I saw those notifications, but they dont seem to work. I have 0.60.3. |
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