| 00:00.09 | Jucato | System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Window Actions tab |
| 00:00.13 | fep | Jucato, thanks, suppose i have to wait to the release :) |
| 00:00.32 | coppro | Jucato: how do I fix this? |
| 00:00.50 | Gigantic | oh nvm found it! |
| 00:00.52 | Jucato | (it's not broken) |
| 00:01.03 | Jucato | Gigantic: [07:57] <Jucato> System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Window Actions tab |
| 00:01.05 | Gigantic | sup Jucato btw |
| 00:01.16 | Gigantic | Jucato: yar :) |
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| 00:02.21 | Jucato | coppro: either 1. switch to a desktop/plasma theme that doesn't have a semi-transparent panel background or 2. manually fiddle with themes and make it use a non-transparent background for the panel. (but again, it's not broken, not something that need to be fixed) |
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| 00:03.09 | Jucato | oh 3. turn of desktop effects |
| 00:03.23 | coppro | not my desktop effects... noes! |
| 00:03.30 | coppro | goes to fiddle with plasma |
| 00:06.07 | coppro | hmm... where would the default plasma theme be? |
| 00:06.23 | coppro | I don't think it's in /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default |
| 00:07.13 | coppro | oh wait, that is it |
| 00:08.52 | coppro | but there's no transparency in that image |
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| 00:15.01 | g1lt | hey guys |
| 00:15.13 | g1lt | I'm having some issues with the most recent konqueror snapshot |
| 00:15.57 | g1lt | trying to get it to connect to an ftp server, it immediately fails with a 'request aborted by user' error |
| 00:16.53 | g1lt | I can use konqueror 3.5.10 with success, but not 4.1.96 |
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| 00:38.04 | NoDoubt | how can i make my programs (such as firefox, gim, amule) don't look like Win98? (in kde 3.5.9) |
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| 00:40.41 | aseigo | NoDoubt: change your gtk theme; firefox has some nice chrome themes of its own as well |
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| 00:41.30 | aseigo | and i thought there was a kde based emule app ? |
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| 00:44.31 | reavertm | kmldonky... (why does everyone need to crosspost - saw the same question on #gentoo-kde..) |
| 00:44.54 | reavertm | s/kmldonky/kmldonkey/ |
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| 00:50.22 | workaphobia | Konqueror question: I often have performance problems with konqueror vs firefox and I wasn't sure to what extent konqueror was to blame, or if there was an underlying linux problem |
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| 00:50.40 | workaphobia | in this case, I've found that konqueror is generating numerous redundant dns requests, e.g., images.slashdot.org, far more than firefox does |
| 00:50.47 | workaphobia | and I think this is absolutely killing performance. |
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| 00:51.09 | workaphobia | Is there a way to configure around this? Is it a known bug? Will it be fixed? (It occurs to me as I write this that I should've searched the tracker) |
| 00:52.41 | workaphobia | kde 4.1.3 btw |
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| 00:59.21 | floe | hi all... where can I re-enable that kde4/konqui is asking for confirmation before file deletion? |
| 00:59.45 | workaphobia | might be able to find it under .kde |
| 01:00.12 | workaphobia | .kde/share/config/konquerorrc perhaps. But mine is near empty, so maybe not |
| 01:00.14 | floe | workaphobia: sry... I just found it myself... yesterday I looked for hours... funny |
| 01:00.19 | Jucato | floe: Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror |
| 01:00.24 | Jucato | File Management |
| 01:00.30 | genelyk | I have problem T_T |
| 01:00.32 | floe | Jucato: right, thx |
| 01:00.36 | workaphobia | .. yes.. there's the logical gui configuration method as well... If you're trying to be sane about it |
| 01:01.19 | genelyk | Could not start . kstartupconfig4. check your intallation , show before started session T_T |
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| 01:03.43 | workaphobia | with regard to the question I asked above, I found this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135230 |
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| 02:08.49 | tyutin | does kmailcvt support importing from a local server? |
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| 02:50.44 | emanuel | Since I upgraded to the RC, every time I start a session I got an old session restored. Does anyone experienced the same? |
| 02:50.59 | gut | hey guys, what's up ? i'm downloading a torrent with Ktorrent but i want to reinstall my distro, can i save the download and continue again later ? |
| 02:51.26 | drantin | o_O |
| 02:51.32 | Jucato | gut: make sure to save the .torrent file and the unfinished download |
| 02:52.04 | Jucato | ktorrent has an import plugin that allows you to do that |
| 02:52.04 | gut | i've already deleted the .torrent :O |
| 02:52.30 | gut | Jucato, which one ? |
| 02:52.36 | Jucato | emanuel: by default, KDE saves sessions on logout and restores them on login. check System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Session Manager |
| 02:52.42 | Jucato | gut: um... "import plugin" |
| 02:52.52 | drantin | if you can reget the .torrent, saving the partial file will let you resume with any client... |
| 02:52.53 | emanuel | checks |
| 02:53.30 | Jucato | in ktorrent 2.x, you have to do it through the import plugin though |
| 02:53.48 | gut | drantin, i'm gonna try |
| 02:54.03 | gut | Jucato, ok |
| 02:54.04 | gut | thanks |
| 02:55.48 | emanuel | Jucato: I have "restore previous session" selected, but I had logged out with none apps open and when I login back I got restored a session previuos to the RC upgrade. |
| 02:56.29 | emanuel | Also, when I'm logging out I select "shutdown" and instead of shutting down I got to KDM. :| |
| 02:57.04 | Jucato | if you upgraded from your distro's packages, you might want to ask in their channel if others are getting similar problems |
| 02:57.21 | emanuel | Ok. |
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| 03:00.54 | MrRat | and libksieve http://dpaste.com/109641/ |
| 03:01.31 | MrRat | builds but wrong? |
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| 03:22.53 | emanuel | found .kde/share/config/session |
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| 04:39.35 | xibo | anyone wana help with fido... I mean Fedora 10, Nvida video ? |
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| 04:40.35 | xibo | oh ic how you all are.... thats o.k. I can handle rejection |
| 04:40.37 | blauzahl-laptop | xibo: download the beta drivers from nvidia probably. |
| 04:40.44 | blauzahl-laptop | um, or be rejected. |
| 04:40.45 | xibo | oh cool thanks |
| 04:40.50 | xibo | hehe |
| 04:41.03 | blauzahl-laptop | usually you should just be patient though. ;) |
| 04:41.16 | blauzahl-laptop | and figure that many are off traveling to camp kde atm |
| 04:41.33 | xibo | true |
| 04:43.08 | xibo | o.k. I'll go push more buttons... thanks again |
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| 05:30.10 | sdfasdfasdfasd | hello amarok doesnt add my lastest artist to my music collection, no matter if i rescan collection, update it desselect . select folders. im using fedora 10 kde, what can i do? |
| 05:30.20 | sdfasdfasdfasd | ah and amarok 2.0.1.1 forgot to say |
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| 05:30.53 | maxamillion | it appears that my konqueror on kde4.1 thinks i am offline |
| 05:31.10 | maxamillion | is there an "offline" mode to toggle like in firefox? |
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| 05:59.23 | blauzahl-laptop | maxamillion: the cache settings? |
| 06:09.05 | maxamillion | blauzahl-laptop: i dunno ... it just magically started workign |
| 06:09.08 | maxamillion | working* |
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| 06:29.34 | kkathman | can someone please help me with why widgets added to the panel can't be moved to anywhere on the panel;? |
| 06:30.16 | xdan779 | kkathman: what version of kde are you using |
| 06:30.32 | kkathman | xdan779: Kubuntu, 4.2 RC1 |
| 06:30.55 | xdan779 | are your widgets locked or unlocked |
| 06:31.07 | kkathman | they are most definitely unlocked |
| 06:31.38 | kkathman | I can add the widget, but it appears in the middle, when I drag it to anywhere, it "springs" back to the middle |
| 06:31.55 | kkathman | as if the widget takes up the entire panel |
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| 06:32.33 | xdan779 | kkathman: is that the only widget in your panel |
| 06:33.06 | kkathman | xdan779: no, currently I have the K-menu and its positioned at the far left. |
| 06:33.35 | kkathman | when I add, say, the digital clock, it plops into the middle and cant be moved |
| 06:33.43 | nguyennd0908 | hi |
| 06:33.51 | xdan779 | kkathman: so you only have two widgets the menu and the digital clock |
| 06:33.57 | nguyennd0908 | My PC can chat |
| 06:34.10 | kkathman | xdan779: yes that's correct |
| 06:34.14 | nguyennd0908 | but can't Web brow |
| 06:34.23 | nguyennd0908 | why ? |
| 06:34.35 | kkathman | xdan779: I can move the clock on the other side of the Kmenu, successfully, but thats it |
| 06:34.49 | xdan779 | do you want to add any other widgets or are thos teh only 2 |
| 06:35.35 | kkathman | well I'd like to also add the trash one, perhaps another, I haven't gotten that far :) |
| 06:36.02 | kkathman | I just tried this again, and now when I try to move the clock to the left, it flips the K-menu to the far RIGHT |
| 06:36.17 | aseigo | kkathman: without a task bar widget in the panel? |
| 06:36.19 | kkathman | its almost as if the clock takes up the entire panel |
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| 06:36.47 | kkathman | no taskbar widget at present, no, aseigo |
| 06:36.49 | Jucato | some widgets do that |
| 06:36.49 | aseigo | kkathman: if so, that's due to an "interesting" anomoly in the layout class |
| 06:37.16 | aseigo | kkathman: there's a "spacer" widget you can get that "soaks up" extra space where you put it |
| 06:37.21 | aseigo | and then things behave more sensibly |
| 06:37.23 | kkathman | jucato, I havent found a widget that seems to behave quite yet |
| 06:37.38 | aseigo | we'll be integrating it directly into the panel for 4.3 so we won't have those issues |
| 06:37.41 | Jucato | kkathman: system tray, clock, task manager. |
| 06:37.41 | kkathman | aseigo: which one?? |
| 06:37.46 | aseigo | it's called spacer |
| 06:37.50 | Jucato | those widgets take up available space |
| 06:37.55 | kkathman | I see |
| 06:38.02 | Jucato | kkathman: you'll have to get it from kde-apps.org (spacer widget) |
| 06:38.10 | xdan779 | kkathman: I would proboby add all of your widgets first as you only have 2 the digital clock is simply using the remaining space left from the kmenu |
| 06:38.41 | aseigo | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Panel+Spacer?content=89304 |
| 06:38.42 | kkathman | hmm I could try that |
| 06:39.08 | kkathman | Im a little curious as to why the clock plops in the middle |
| 06:39.29 | xdan779 | kkathman: spacer wisget would do it, but would add all the widgets you wnat into the panel before, as they will change the layout |
| 06:40.09 | kkathman | right |
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| 06:41.05 | Jucato | <kkathman> Im a little curious as to why the clock plops in the middle <Jucato> those widgets take up available space <aseigo> kkathman: if so, that's due to an "interesting" anomoly in the layout class |
| 06:41.27 | kkathman | I see |
| 06:45.55 | xdan779 | well if you only wanted to use the 2 widgets you can shorten the length of the panel or even better just remove the panel place them on your destop where ever you want |
| 06:47.45 | xdan779 | ineterestingly enough removing the digital clock from the panel causes plasma to crash |
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| 06:48.37 | PSiL0 | hmm dolphin still slow |
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| 06:48.51 | anr78 | I just logged into kde for the first time in weeks to see how 4.2 is coming along. A problem I have is that the notifications from kopete and the folder view window have a black background, although the rest of the theme is light. How can I change this? (kubuntu 8.10) |
| 06:49.29 | magentar | which version of kde will be "recommended for everyday use"? |
| 06:50.10 | aseigo | 4.2 |
| 06:50.24 | aseigo | anr78: update the thee |
| 06:50.25 | aseigo | er, theme |
| 06:50.41 | aseigo | anr78: that's a new element in the theme, so themes need to be updated to match; aya was just recently updated |
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| 06:52.14 | Jucato | magentar: 4.1 is already good enough. 4.2 will be even more. so "recommended" would most probably every new release (every 6 months) |
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| 06:53.23 | PSiL0 | For dophin, has the slowdown from copying files into directories with many other folders been fixed in 4.2? |
| 06:54.51 | aseigo | Jucato: 4.2 is the first release we want rank-and-file users to migrate to though |
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| 06:55.20 | aseigo | PSiL0: there's still some unfortunate pre-statting that happens; that's actually a kio thing |
| 06:55.50 | holycow | hi guys |
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| 06:56.14 | magentar_ | okay, because the announcement of 4.2rc says 4.2 is not recommended for everyday use |
| 06:56.15 | Jucato | aseigo: although perhaps 4.3 for kdepim? (or is the migration to akonadi going smoothly?) |
| 06:56.21 | holycow | i'm running the neon nightlies on kubuntu to bug track and stuff |
| 06:56.33 | aseigo | Jucato: there's a nice migration tool actually... |
| 06:56.42 | Jucato | magentar_: *that* particular release, since it's just a release candidate |
| 06:56.59 | holycow | i noticred that the logout/lock applet starts out being horizontally aligned every release and just before it goes final someone re-orients it vertically to be super small |
| 06:57.04 | PSiL0 | aseigo: ic.. are the developers working on improving this issue? |
| 06:57.15 | holycow | is this an ubuntu devel custom thing or a kde default thing? |
| 06:57.17 | Jucato | aseigo: hm. maybe I'll try it when 4.2 is released.. before I nuke my kdepim stuff for a fresh start :) |
| 06:57.48 | aseigo | PSiL0: i don't think that particular issue got tackled, but some other similarly nasty ones were in 4.2 ... |
| 06:57.53 | PSiL0 | aseigo: It makes working with directories with many data folders difficult |
| 06:58.03 | aseigo | PSiL0: we're finally seeing the benefits of some of the model/view stuff paying off |
| 06:58.10 | anr78 | aseigo: ah. and how do I update the theme again? |
| 06:58.17 | PSiL0 | aseigo: i c, well thanks for the update on the matter :) |
| 06:58.34 | aseigo | anr78: depends on which theme.. if it's one that ships with kde, update kdelasma-addons or kdeartwork, depending |
| 06:58.39 | holycow | aseigo: considering the workload things are progressing nicely |
| 06:58.46 | holycow | really good work from all the devels |
| 06:58.50 | holycow | rather nice to watch |
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| 07:00.20 | anr78 | aseigo: addons was up-to-date, but artwork was missing. how do I change the panel theme? |
| 07:02.07 | holycow | anr you mean separately? |
| 07:02.22 | holycow | well right click on the desktop and do settings you set the theme default there but |
| 07:03.13 | holycow | if you want to modify some of the specifics you need to go to system settings / advanced / desktop theme details |
| 07:03.18 | holycow | might that help? |
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| 07:03.42 | anr78 | holycow: gah. that helped a lot. I just had forgotten. thanks :) |
| 07:05.27 | anr78 | It was the elegance theme I was using. changing to Aya and back to Elegance seemed to fix it.. |
| 07:06.11 | holycow | yeah switching themes isn't working perfectly yet |
| 07:06.23 | holycow | i'm just making do with oxygen which so far is the best looking one of them all |
| 07:06.30 | holycow | well ... to me |
| 07:13.14 | Dhraakellian | Is there any way to make ^U only delete to the beginning of the line (rather than deleting the entire line) in KDE4? |
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| 07:48.33 | leopardi | hello is anybody using KDE 4.2 RC1? |
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| 07:55.51 | leopardi | anyone there? |
| 07:57.42 | leopardi | looks not |
| 07:57.46 | leopardi | bye |
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| 08:22.39 | Curufinwe__ | hello, i have a question regarding kontact: when i first started it i had a nice little window where i could set up the ressources/calendars to use. now after opening a icals file this window is gone. i use kde 4.2rc1 on kubuntu 8.10 |
| 08:23.36 | Curufinwe__ | how do i get this window back? |
| 08:26.10 | aseigo | Curufinwe__: if you don't get an answer, mail kdepim-users@kde.org |
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| 08:33.05 | [Vex] | anyone know anything on bluetooth in KDE4.2? |
| 08:33.41 | [Vex] | this is probably asked a lot, but I can't find anything about, except someone saying it should be in back-ports |
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| 08:38.00 | twouters | Hi, I'm getting warnings like this when I run cmake to configure kdebase, how do I fix those? http://pastebin.com/d56bd70e6 |
| 08:38.17 | twouters | (kde 4.2 branch) |
| 08:39.05 | twouters | oh, I think I better ask that in #debian-kde |
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| 09:21.59 | aht | hello I'm wondering what's the equivalent of 'gparted' in KDE? |
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| 09:28.40 | Skrot- | aht: qparted works fine |
| 09:29.05 | Skrot- | qtparted* |
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| 09:29.58 | Skrot- | also there's "partitionmanager" in extragear for KDE 4, but I'm unsure how stable it is |
| 09:30.41 | aht | Skrot, it seems qtparted is unmaintained since 2005 ... |
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| 09:30.58 | aht | but thanks anyway |
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| 09:32.36 | eggy_ | Hello, with amarok2, I clicked one of the buttons in the left (like 'Files', 'Collections'), which usually works fine, but now all the widgets are gone and I have no idea how to get them back (other than purging amarok and reinstalling). It looks like this: ftp://eggy.student.utwente.nl/amarok.png . Anyone encountered this problem? Any idea of the easiest way to solve it? |
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| 09:33.18 | eagles0513875 | eggy_: might be easier if u ask in the amarok channel |
| 09:33.33 | eggy_ | eagles0513875: ok, I'll do that. Thanks |
| 09:33.54 | eagles0513875 | eggy_: no prob |
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| 10:48.11 | bschindler|deskt | Hi.. small question - why is scrolling folderview so slow? Is this a bug or something? |
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| 11:00.21 | soa2ii | Hi there. I try to compile amarok 2 but it fails with this error (on gentoo) http://dpaste.com/109752/ |
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| 11:00.48 | soa2ii | I'm sorry that some things are in german... I somehow can't get my locales right :/ |
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| 11:05.52 | farhad_hf | soa2ii: you can ask in #amarok too , if you can't find your answer here :) |
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| 11:06.06 | soa2ii | farhad_hf: I will. |
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| 11:12.30 | yunosh | hi! how can i find out which file provides a certain font? the kde font viewer doesn't show that anywhere |
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| 11:23.12 | habit | Hello. Advice me please - I am trying to find DC client for kde4. |
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| 11:25.30 | avenir | hello everybody |
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| 11:26.08 | avenir | can somebody tell me how to remove some entries from 'actions' submenu of file context menu? |
| 11:26.15 | avenir | in kde 4.1.3 |
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| 11:34.18 | RichiH | ah, found it |
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| 11:35.41 | wsjunior | is there any workaround to use bluetooth devices with kde4? |
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| 11:37.50 | ungethym | wsjunior: I use the KDE3 bluetooh tools and they work for me. |
| 11:40.02 | wsjunior | ungethym: i think they arent avaliable for kubuntu intrepid anymore :/ is there any way to pair bluetooth devices from the command line? |
| 11:40.35 | ungethym | sorry, I don't know. I'm using OpenSUSE 11.0 :-( |
| 11:40.57 | wsjunior | thank you anyway :) |
| 11:41.28 | ungethym | You'r welcome. |
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| 11:41.37 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 11:41.48 | ungethym | But there should be kubuntu users here, to. |
| 11:42.03 | ungethym | have to go to lunch. cu |
| 11:42.19 | Jucato | ungethym: #kubuntu |
| 11:42.21 | Ace2016_- | how can i close an application by middle clicking on plasma's taskbar's thing for it? |
| 11:42.41 | Ace2016_- | left click to activate and raise, right for the operations menu, middle to close it |
| 11:42.57 | Ace2016_- | maybe shift+middle to killall -9 it |
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| 11:49.36 | RichiH | will 4.2 be released for windows, as well |
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| 11:52.52 | Jucato | RichiH: windows.kde.org and #kde-windows |
| 11:52.58 | evod | Hi, I would like to know if anybody knows a convenient way to switch between editor window and embedded terminal in Kate (Kde 4.2RC1) - it is possible to assign a shortcut to "Focus Terminal" I didn't find any shortcut to focus on the editor component itself again.. any ideas? |
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| 11:54.05 | RichiH | ta |
| 11:54.33 | Jucato | evod: there's a Focus Terminal shortcut in Configure Shortcuts. hitting the shortcut twice brings you back to the editor. note that it doesn't slide the terminal close |
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| 11:56.08 | evod | Jucato I found "focus terminal" .. funnily after assigning a shortcut now it is named defocus terminal.. hitting it twice doesn't work, the terminal stays focussed. |
| 11:56.42 | Jucato | not here, though I'm on 4.1.3 |
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| 12:06.23 | rdale | yes ok. by the way i haven't heard from the hotel about your booking yet - it might be better to ring them up |
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| 12:37.06 | omry | hi. how do I change the windows decoration layout to left-to-right? also, how do I get kde to display hebrew strigns when available? |
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| 12:37.48 | annma | omry: hebrew strings when available? |
| 12:37.53 | annma | precise |
| 12:38.16 | omry | annma, is that a question? |
| 12:38.25 | vbgunz | what is the preferred or nicest and yet simple sound/voice/audio recorder? |
| 12:38.37 | annma | omry: yes |
| 12:38.52 | annma | precise when you do not see Hebrew strings |
| 12:39.00 | vbgunz | im searching my repos and feel just stupid. nothing is coming up that sounds right :/ |
| 12:39.13 | omry | annma, in the kde menu, in konqueror etc. |
| 12:39.23 | annma | did you install the Il package? |
| 12:39.28 | omry | yes. |
| 12:39.30 | pinotree | did you install the language module? |
| 12:39.34 | omry | kde-i18n-he |
| 12:39.48 | pinotree | sounds like something kde3'ish |
| 12:39.55 | ShashankSingh | vbgunz: audacity is a simple sound recorder http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:40.00 | omry | I installed this one. if I remember correctly, it worked fine. (this is my mother's computer) |
| 12:40.06 | pinotree | are you really sure it is not for kde3? (see this version) |
| 12:40.08 | ShashankSingh | vbgunz: maybe that can help you :) |
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| 12:40.17 | omry | pinotree, kde 3.5, yes. |
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| 12:40.27 | vbgunz | ShashankSingh: thank you, that didn't come up in my apt-cache searches at all :/ |
| 12:40.32 | pinotree | and you're using kde3 or kde4? |
| 12:40.34 | vbgunz | am losing the foo |
| 12:40.45 | omry | pinotree, 3.5 |
| 12:41.00 | annma | omry: and you see not Hebrew at all anywhere in KDE? |
| 12:41.10 | ShashankSingh | vbgunz: mention not :) .. just chekc in /etc/sources.list if all repo |
| 12:41.18 | annma | did you set it in kcontrol omry |
| 12:41.19 | ShashankSingh | *repo's are includede |
| 12:41.22 | pinotree | weird, it should work |
| 12:41.24 | omry | I do get hebrew in firefox, and I do have the keyboard layout for hebrew. |
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| 12:41.39 | omry | annma, set what? |
| 12:41.44 | annma | omry: wait you are talking about 2 differrent things |
| 12:41.50 | annma | do not mix everything |
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| 12:42.10 | annma | 1) Hebrew in GUI in KDE apps from i18n-he |
| 12:42.15 | annma | 2) Hebrew input |
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| 12:42.22 | annma | those are 2 different things |
| 12:42.24 | omry | annma, I am talking about one thing. you asked if I have hebrew anywhere at all. so I said that yes. |
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| 12:42.28 | annma | no |
| 12:42.31 | omry | I understand that those are two things fine. |
| 12:42.38 | omry | and I am talking about kde |
| 12:42.38 | annma | OK so none works? |
| 12:42.43 | annma | me too |
| 12:42.47 | omry | not about keyboard layout, not about other applications |
| 12:42.51 | omry | no, no hebrew at all in kde |
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| 12:43.00 | annma | פ×××× ××ר'×××<ס<ס××× |
| 12:43.05 | omry | I can read this. |
| 12:43.13 | annma | see |
| 12:43.15 | omry | as junk. but I have the font. |
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| 12:43.20 | annma | I only set up the Il keyboard |
| 12:43.26 | annma | and I typed |
| 12:43.29 | annma | inKonversation |
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| 12:43.35 | omry | so? |
| 12:43.37 | annma | and KDE automatically got it right |
| 12:43.42 | annma | so input works for me |
| 12:43.47 | omry | ×ש×××©× |
| 12:43.50 | omry | input works for me as well |
| 12:43.53 | annma | so you have input |
| 12:43.55 | omry | I am not talking about input. |
| 12:44.15 | vbgunz | thats cool |
| 12:44.26 | omry | as I said : I do get hebrew in firefox, and I do have the keyboard layout for hebrew. |
| 12:44.34 | vbgunz | all of a sudden I wish I knew that :) |
| 12:44.35 | omry | specifically, read the second part of that sentence :) |
| 12:44.37 | annma | so you can input Hebrew |
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| 12:44.50 | omry | true. |
| 12:45.03 | annma | ask your distro about the i18n-he package then |
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| 12:45.23 | omry | it used to work. |
| 12:45.25 | annma | if you added it and set Hebrew in KControl you should get Hebrew translations when available |
| 12:45.42 | annma | "used to work": explain |
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| 12:46.06 | omry | KdE used to be in Hebrew. and the windows layout, and kicker layout were inverted. |
| 12:46.11 | omry | as it should be in hebrew |
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| 12:47.14 | vbgunz | anybody know what these "unknown media ..." things are http://dpaste.com/109806/ ... after apt-get runs before processing triggers I see these. started after KDE 4.2RC1 |
| 12:48.33 | blacky | hey, can anyone tell me how I can configure kmail to show me inboxes for each of my accounts SEPARATELY? right now i have 2 email accounts setup and it just dumps all messages for each one into the same inbox, its really annoying. id also like to know how i can have it send mail based on what account im using. ex: if i receive a message on my work account it will send a response with my WORK account outgoing server automatically, not def |
| 12:48.33 | blacky | ault to my personal one |
| 12:48.45 | blacky | kmail is lame :( its my first time using it |
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| 12:54.12 | omry | annma, okay - I got the hebrew back - had to add it in the control panel. not my problem is that the keyboard layout wont switch using the option defined in the kbd section in the control panel |
| 12:54.29 | annma | which is? |
| 12:54.32 | omry | in other words - alt shift wont switch kb layout |
| 12:54.46 | annma | default is ctrl alt K |
| 12:54.52 | annma | does that work? |
| 12:54.59 | omry | no |
| 12:55.43 | annma | ask your distro then, I remember it worked well on kde3 for me |
| 12:55.49 | annma | vanilla KDE |
| 12:56.13 | omry | it worked up until a few minutes ago |
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| 12:56.40 | omry | I had two language indicators icons. I exited one of them. and then it stopped working. |
| 12:56.41 | annma | ah |
| 12:56.52 | annma | some conflict maybe |
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| 12:59.21 | brot_laptop | someone could please tell me how i change the color of the desktop icon font in 4.2 |
| 12:59.26 | annma | anyone knows how to install Sesame2 backend for Soprano from source? |
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| 13:00.32 | cb400f | brot_laptop: think it might be plasma theme dependent |
| 13:01.14 | brot_laptop | right, it is. |
| 13:01.34 | brot_laptop | but it would be really nice if one could change that. |
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| 13:07.25 | greenfishx3 | I just wanna know if this is fixable or not, ive spent a few hours last night trying to fix my issue. Everytime kdrandtray changes resolution plasma panel gets split into 2 parts..now I dont have the energy noir patience to read on various wikis.. |
| 13:07.35 | greenfishx3 | should I file a bug report? |
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| 13:08.02 | greenfishx3 | right now my panel is split into 2 sides |
| 13:08.10 | greenfishx3 | programs, kmenu to my left |
| 13:08.17 | greenfishx3 | weasel+running processors to my right |
| 13:08.28 | greenfishx3 | and theres a gap between |
| 13:08.34 | annma | KDE version? |
| 13:08.36 | greenfishx3 | it happens everytime I change resolution |
| 13:08.46 | greenfishx3 | oh sorry its KDE4.1 |
| 13:09.05 | vbgunz | im bugging out. In Audacity I can see the red meter for my mic shoot to the sky. I record and play back and hear nothing... anyone know whats up? |
| 13:09.20 | annma | I guess there already is a bug report. Check and add anything relevant please greenfishx3 |
| 13:11.23 | greenfishx3 | annma, okay I'll do that |
| 13:11.36 | greenfishx3 | bugs.kde.org, down? |
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| 13:12.10 | marco_ | is some one here testing kdevelop 4 ? |
| 13:12.30 | annma | marco_: #kdevelop |
| 13:12.36 | annma | greenfishx3: no |
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| 13:14.59 | adexa | hello all |
| 13:15.02 | greenfishx3 | annma: yeah its my connection :/ |
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| 13:16.24 | adexa | Hello |
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| 13:18.24 | _mh | hi all, I just installed kde 4.1 and began using it -- just wanted to say that this is by far the coolest desktop I have _ever_ seen. |
| 13:18.36 | _mh | thanks :) |
| 13:18.42 | bluecode | 4.2 is even c00ler :-) |
| 13:19.02 | adexa | hi bluecode |
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| 13:19.35 | _mh | bluecode: I actually plan to do that by day end -- regardless, it's just phenomenal |
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| 13:20.02 | Richlv | grrr. dbus |
| 13:20.17 | Richlv | anybody knows of an example how a property can be set using dbus ? |
| 13:20.28 | Richlv | i'm trying kdialog progressbar, but no success so far |
| 13:20.57 | bluecode | I asked last time already, but parted before I got an answer. Does anybody know if there will be a develop release with kde 4.2? And are there packages for kubuntu of the kdevelop alpha relase? |
| 13:21.03 | Jucato | Richlv: tried using qdbus instead of dbus directly? |
| 13:21.14 | annma | Richlv: type qdbus in Konsole |
| 13:21.22 | dmotd | quick kde4 question, does a flashing task in the task manager mean 'demands attention'? i have a program that in some win managers will refocus a window but in kde4 i just get a flashing task.. |
| 13:21.26 | annma | return, look at the functions there |
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| 13:23.22 | Richlv | Jucato, annma - ah, thanks. i only had found qdbusviewer :) |
| 13:24.32 | Richlv | still, how am i supposed to pass the value ? |
| 13:24.51 | Richlv | if i just add strings to form the command, i end up with -> Cannot find 'org.kde.kdialog.ProgressDialog.value' in object /ProgressDialog at org.kde.kdialog-2568 |
| 13:25.35 | adexa | hi |
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| 13:26.24 | eagles0513875 | needs to figure out where to get the trunk version of the complete kde |
| 13:26.34 | eagles0513875 | from what kde rep |
| 13:26.40 | eagles0513875 | *repo |
| 13:26.41 | annma | read techbase.kde.org |
| 13:27.04 | eagles0513875 | i dunno what it is about the techbase i find it uber confusing |
| 13:27.10 | annma | you don't want the "complete" one though, you don't want all the languages I suppose |
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| 13:27.28 | annma | eagles0513875: what page? |
| 13:27.28 | eagles0513875 | annma: that no but i guess i could start slowly and compile part at a time from svn |
| 13:27.45 | annma | what page do you find confusing? |
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| 13:28.15 | eagles0513875 | annma: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started |
| 13:28.40 | eagles0513875 | for starters where it says getting the source where in any of those links does it link to where the sources are |
| 13:28.43 | annma | this is only an index page |
| 13:29.01 | eagles0513875 | thats what has me confused |
| 13:29.03 | annma | you said you want trunk |
| 13:29.09 | eagles0513875 | that is correct |
| 13:29.19 | annma | isn't there a link on how to build trunk on this page? |
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| 13:29.52 | Ace2016_- | eagles0513875: why do you want trunk? |
| 13:30.11 | Ace2016_- | i think arch linux provides daily builds, but not sure, check it out |
| 13:30.13 | eagles0513875 | Ace2016_-: so i can help find bugs as well as slowly easy into bug fixing |
| 13:30.20 | eagles0513875 | im on kubuntu on my testing laptop |
| 13:30.22 | Jucato | eagles0513875: if you're planning to build KDE from trunk, it is in your best interest to understand what those pages say. if at this point you're "confused", you're in for a hard time |
| 13:30.38 | eagles0513875 | Jucato: O_o ok |
| 13:30.43 | Jucato | eagles0513875: use something like kde-neon (nightly builds), or the kdesvn-build script |
| 13:30.54 | eagles0513875 | Jucato: im already on project neon |
| 13:30.57 | annma | eagles0513875: can you see the link on how to build trunk? |
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| 13:32.08 | eagles0513875 | annma: im looking at this page http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 is it necessary to have an svn repo |
| 13:32.45 | Richlv | ok, dbus is awful |
| 13:32.56 | Richlv | qdbus org.kde.kdialog-3028 /ProgressDialog org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Set org.kde.kdialog.ProgressDialog value 1 |
| 13:33.00 | Richlv | that works |
| 13:33.03 | eagles0513875 | forget i said anythign im gonna start from the very top setup svn etc |
| 13:33.04 | Richlv | found at http://forum.kde.org/dcop-progress-bar-with-kdialog-t-13521.html |
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| 13:33.28 | Jucato | eagles0513875: *you* don't need to have an svn repo. those are instructions from getting the source from *KDE's* svn repo |
| 13:33.31 | annma | eagles0513875: yes, folllow it and yoçu'll be fine |
| 13:33.34 | Richlv | i would have never gotten to that myself |
| 13:34.16 | eagles0513875 | annma: and Jucato ok ty |
| 13:34.26 | eagles0513875 | tgif lol can spend the afternoon messing around with kde |
| 13:34.29 | eagles0513875 | ttyl guys |
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| 13:38.02 | gsap | kde4 is not mature! |
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| 13:38.12 | Tm_T | gsap: is |
| 13:38.13 | annma | use kde3 |
| 13:38.32 | annma | nobody forces you to use it but please stay nice here as there are kde devels |
| 13:38.34 | gsap | :) i'm using it) |
| 13:38.45 | Tm_T | annma: and users too |
| 13:38.52 | Tm_T | they need nice treatment aswell |
| 13:39.01 | gsap | i'm just kidding ... ) Have a nice a day, people. *gone* |
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| 13:42.04 | adexa | hi all |
| 13:42.34 | annma | hi adexa |
| 13:42.41 | annma | ask your question if you have one |
| 13:42.41 | Tm_T | hi kids |
| 13:42.51 | annma | hi grand-da |
| 13:44.36 | adexa | annma: hello |
| 13:44.39 | adexa | how are you |
| 13:45.02 | adexa | friends,, please can you tell me one good mp3 player for fedora? |
| 13:45.10 | annma | Amarok |
| 13:45.21 | annma | best player ever |
| 13:45.36 | adexa | but its not playing my mp3s |
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| 13:45.49 | adexa | :( |
| 13:45.55 | annma | ask in #fedora how to add the mp3 codecs |
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| 13:46.38 | alsadi | I got "kio_help4(20312) KLocalePrivate::initEncoding: Cannot resolve system encoding, d |
| 13:46.39 | alsadi | efaulting to ISO 8859-1." while building the Arabic locale, I guess it should be utf-8, how to fix that ? |
| 13:47.21 | annma | while building? |
| 13:47.57 | adexa | annma: thanks alot |
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| 13:48.59 | adexa | annma: for you,, which os better? at linux |
| 13:49.34 | annma | which OS? Linux is the OS adexa |
| 13:49.36 | alsadi | annma: yes while building |
| 13:49.59 | annma | which desktop: it depends on what you feel the most confortable in adexa |
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| 13:50.18 | adexa | what are u using? |
| 13:50.18 | annma | alsadi: paste it in pastebin from command please |
| 13:50.45 | annma | I am using KDE built from trunk |
| 13:50.55 | alsadi | sure |
| 13:53.05 | adexa | annma: your mean , suse? fedora? ubuntu? or ? |
| 13:53.07 | alsadi | annma: http://fpaste.org/paste/1525 |
| 13:53.16 | alsadi | BTW: arabic is not in stable |
| 13:53.40 | annma | adexa: any distribution is OK |
| 13:53.53 | alsadi | I'm using fedora |
| 13:54.05 | annma | it's OK |
| 13:54.21 | annma | I mean is it a rpm src from fedora then? |
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| 13:55.13 | adexa | annma: where are u from |
| 13:55.45 | alsadi | annma: as I said Arabic is not in stable and I'm trying to add it from svn to the .src.rpm |
| 13:56.14 | annma | alsadi: I can help with building svn |
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| 13:56.23 | annma | but not with building .src.rpm |
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| 13:56.45 | annma | alsadi: when you build it directly from svn with cmake, make and make install, does it work? |
| 13:57.12 | alsadi | annma: OK, the build did not fail, but I want to know if this error critical |
| 13:57.35 | annma | alsadi: this is not an error you will get with building from svn |
| 13:57.48 | annma | this is due to your rpm build |
| 13:57.54 | alsadi | annma: the svn did not contain CMakeLists.txt and I made a script to generate them |
| 13:58.22 | annma | alsadi: in l10n-kde4 there is a README explaining how to build each language |
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| 13:58.37 | alsadi | this is the script http://fpaste.org/paste/1527 |
| 13:58.39 | annma | you follow it and the CMakeLists.txt are generated |
| 13:58.46 | annma | no need for your script |
| 13:58.48 | adexa | annma: i really admired to your knowledge |
| 13:58.50 | RichiH | hmm, can i make KDE 3's kicker newsticker throw out all items the second they are not listed in the feed, any more? |
| 13:59.11 | annma | alsadi: svn co scripts/ from l10n-kde4 |
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| 13:59.29 | alsadi | aha, it could be CMakelists.txt ooops it should be Lists with capital L |
| 14:00.06 | annma | then run scripts/autogen.sh ar |
| 14:00.32 | alsadi | annma: thanks, I'll do that |
| 14:00.43 | annma | alsadi: there is a techbase.kde.org ebpage on how to build each language module |
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| 14:04.53 | alsadi | svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/l10n-kde4/scripts |
| 14:05.30 | annma | yes |
| 14:05.57 | annma | you already have probably svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/l10n-kde4/ar |
| 14:07.17 | annma | teh README is there |
| 14:07.18 | annma | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n-kde4/README?revision=783885&view=markup |
| 14:09.04 | Richlv | clicking a zip file from dolphin in kde4 opens ark. attempting to open a pdf file from ark fails with "sorry, can't show the file with embedded viewsr". how can i force ark to always open files with whatever program they have associated ? |
| 14:09.15 | alsadi | http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Localization/Building_KDE's_l10n_Module |
| 14:09.37 | annma | the README is easier |
| 14:11.48 | alsadi | Thanks, reading... I got "scripts/autogen.sh: line 205: revpath: command not found", but I guess I'll ask yum where did revpath should come |
| 14:11.50 | Jucato | Richlv: unfortunately, that would be an issue with ark code, and not just a setting (Ark seems to always use it's own previewer). work around: browse the archive in Dolphin instead |
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| 14:12.17 | annma | forget about the revpath thing, I also get it |
| 14:12.25 | Jucato | Richlv: Settings -> COnfigure Dolphin -> General -> Browse through archives |
| 14:12.39 | alsadi | I'll install imake which provide it, it's just a 312K package |
| 14:12.40 | annma | does it generate CMakeLists.txt files alsadi? |
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| 14:12.50 | annma | I never bothered ;) |
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| 14:13.32 | Richlv | Jucato, thanks |
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| 14:14.40 | alsadi | annma: yes I got them now, thanks |
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| 14:16.07 | Richlv | Jucato, i'm wondering why opensuse people didn't change that default setting ;) |
| 14:16.24 | Jucato | Richlv: can't answer that :P |
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| 14:18.55 | FlyingFoX | is konqueror capable of connecting to a ssl secured ftp server? |
| 14:19.25 | Jucato | is that sftp? |
| 14:19.46 | FlyingFoX | filezilla calls it ftps |
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| 14:19.50 | FlyingFoX | or ftpes |
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| 14:20.26 | Jucato | not sure then... I only know sftp works... |
| 14:20.27 | FlyingFoX | but konqueror tells me that it doesn't know these protocolls if i exchange ftp:// with ftps:// |
| 14:20.36 | FlyingFoX | hm ok |
| 14:20.47 | FlyingFoX | afaik sftp is ftp over ssh |
| 14:20.57 | Jucato | ah |
| 14:21.07 | Tm_T | well, no |
| 14:21.20 | Tm_T | sftp is ssh-server enchancement |
| 14:22.42 | FlyingFoX | hm all right, but what i need is ftp with ssl support. |
| 14:22.54 | Tm_T | that's ftps then (:) |
| 14:23.18 | Tm_T | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_Protocol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTPS |
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| 14:23.25 | FlyingFoX | does konqueror support this? |
| 14:23.44 | Tm_T | IIRC it does |
| 14:24.00 | Tm_T | but I might be wrong, because I don't use ftp unless really needed |
| 14:24.06 | GNU\colossus | yes it does |
| 14:24.45 | samu | what's your irc client on kde? |
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| 14:24.59 | FlyingFoX | samu: i use konversation |
| 14:25.14 | ChemBro | /me quassel |
| 14:25.49 | FlyingFoX | GNU\colossus: and how do i tell konqueror to use ftps? if i just write ftps:// it says: protocol not supported |
| 14:25.54 | Tm_T | irssi |
| 14:26.09 | GNU\colossus | oh sorry, I thought you were discussin SFTP |
| 14:26.19 | FlyingFoX | hm ok |
| 14:26.21 | GNU\colossus | lftp should be able to do ftps |
| 14:26.49 | FlyingFoX | filezilla can do that too ... but it'd be cool if konqueror could handle that too |
| 14:27.12 | adexa | annma: do you know? how can i fix my dns ? |
| 14:27.29 | adexa | i need to refresh, or use active some dns for to see my webs |
| 14:27.30 | adexa | :( |
| 14:28.44 | annma | I don't know about dns, sorry |
| 14:28.53 | adexa | okay :-s |
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| 14:29.43 | Jucato | FlyingFoX: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kio-ftps?content=35875 |
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| 14:30.31 | FlyingFoX | Jucato: thx ill try to install that |
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| 14:35.17 | adexa | annma: can you see anything at this website? www.akaykimya.com |
| 14:36.11 | annma | yes, chemistry-related picture |
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| 14:37.32 | adexa | annma: thanks alot,,, the problem is , i cannot view that web site,, its my site |
| 14:37.42 | Jucato | does anyone know off hand how one can search/filter all Important mail in KMail, across all folders? |
| 14:37.48 | adexa | annma: as for you,, at where can be problem? |
| 14:38.09 | annma | adexa: I have no idea, is the webserver on your machine? |
| 14:38.24 | annma | can you see any other websites? |
| 14:38.44 | adexa | no,,, its paid server |
| 14:38.56 | adexa | annma: not local,, its paid server |
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| 14:50.22 | surfhai | hi |
| 14:50.34 | Sput | do we have a known issue about KDE trunk not showing phonon's xine backend anymore? |
| 14:51.07 | Tm_T | Sput: no |
| 14:51.10 | Sput | hmm ok |
| 14:51.20 | Tm_T | Sput: but I'll tell if it disappears here when I reboot |
| 14:51.26 | surfhai | I have done a system update in archlinux and after a restart my mails in kmail seemed to be gone |
| 14:51.27 | Sput | cool |
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| 14:52.04 | surfhai | Tm_T, what problem do you have? |
| 14:52.14 | Tm_T | surfhai: I don't have problems |
| 14:52.30 | surfhai | hm |
| 14:52.44 | pinotree | surfhai: #archlinux |
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| 14:57.40 | keymone | hi |
| 14:58.09 | adexa | hi keymone |
| 14:58.19 | keymone | i have a problem in kubuntu since 4.1.2(or 3?) release |
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| 14:59.04 | keymone | skype chat windows appear blinking in the task manager even if i send them to another desktop |
| 14:59.30 | keymone | does anybody know how to disable such "feature" ? |
| 15:02.22 | fabian__ | keymone: no, but this happens with other windows too |
| 15:03.00 | keymone | fabian__: did somebody report it in bugtracking system? |
| 15:03.25 | Jucato | afaik, known issue |
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| 15:05.47 | Sput | hmm, I don't have the gstreamer backend either, so something is wrong here oO |
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| 15:15.21 | fabio__ | hi... |
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| 15:15.45 | fabio__ | i am trying to have nepomuk/strigi working but w/o success... |
| 15:15.51 | fabio__ | someone could help? |
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| 15:16.46 | fabio__ | i am using kubuntu 8.10 kde4.2rc1 |
| 15:17.27 | fabio__ | in system setting nepomuk is enable but I am not able to get strigi working |
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| 15:17.41 | Tommalla | I have a problem with sound in kde 4.2 rc. The sound works in console (mocp player), firefox, etc, but doesn't with any application using phonon. The strangest thing about it is that sound works when I run kde as root... Does anyone have any idea what can be wrong? |
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| 15:18.32 | ChemBro | do you use kubuntu, Tommalla? |
| 15:18.43 | Tommalla | ChemBro: gentoo |
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| 15:19.26 | Tommalla | but any help, even from a kubuntu user, will be appreciated |
| 15:19.29 | fabio__ | someone using kubuntu? |
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| 15:20.35 | annma | Tommalla: that looks like a permission problem |
| 15:20.51 | annma | in SystemSetttings -> sound |
| 15:21.06 | annma | there's a Test button |
| 15:21.11 | Tommalla | annma i had similar issue with 4.1.3, but reemerging everything connected with sound/alsa worked |
| 15:21.18 | Tommalla | w8, i'll look for it |
| 15:21.22 | annma | so distro problem |
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| 15:21.32 | annma | run systemsettings from konsole |
| 15:21.52 | annma | it might be "multimedia", I don't have it in Englsih |
| 15:21.54 | fabio__ | there is a nepomuk configurator? |
| 15:22.06 | annma | no |
| 15:22.24 | Tommalla | annma: i have is as mutimedia too ;p |
| 15:22.32 | Tommalla | but the test button is disabled... |
| 15:22.40 | Tommalla | w8 ,enabled ;p |
| 15:22.51 | Tommalla | when i click it, nothing happens |
| 15:23.08 | annma | look in konsole for any output after you clicked |
| 15:23.10 | Tommalla | no errors, just nothing |
| 15:23.12 | fabio__ | well, trying to success by myself. I am writing a recension on kde4. |
| 15:23.25 | Tommalla | no output |
| 15:23.26 | fabio__ | Thankyou all dudes! |
| 15:23.28 | fabio__ | Bye |
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| 15:24.21 | annma | Tommalla: what backends do you have listed? |
| 15:24.25 | Tommalla | xine |
| 15:25.01 | annma | and on the right pane of devices, what do you have? |
| 15:25.11 | Tommalla | w8, i'll check |
| 15:25.37 | Tommalla | i don't know how to translate it from polish, so i'll try to describe it |
| 15:25.43 | jthomas | ok KDE 4.2rc is it possible to have a KDE Screensaver run and _not_ have it lock the desktop with the userpassword? |
| 15:25.47 | Tommalla | on that checkbox list |
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| 15:25.54 | Tommalla | i have DVD checked |
| 15:26.14 | Tommalla | and from the second list, i have use_vo_driver selected |
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| 15:26.53 | annma | not on the Engine tab, on the first tab |
| 15:26.59 | Tommalla | oh, sorry |
| 15:27.00 | annma | first tab, right panel |
| 15:27.09 | Tommalla | first one is my sound device |
| 15:27.12 | Tommalla | intel HDA |
| 15:27.18 | Tommalla | second one is jack |
| 15:27.30 | Tommalla | *'Jack Audio Connection Kit' |
| 15:27.47 | annma | I have ALSA, OSS, Pulse, Jack and Esound |
| 15:28.04 | Tommalla | i don't have OSS or pulseaudio in my system |
| 15:28.09 | Tommalla | always worked without them |
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| 15:33.12 | seanthegeek | i cant configure kopete on kde 4.1. help |
| 15:33.22 | Tommalla | annma: the same list of devices worked in 4.1.3 |
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| 15:33.46 | annma | Tommalla: then it's an install problem |
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| 15:34.30 | Tommalla | annma: what do you mean? Wrong installed phonon? |
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| 15:35.10 | annma | you said you had the same problem on 4.1.3 and reemerged |
| 15:36.42 | Tommalla | annma: reemerging didn't work this time :/ . Also, the sound didn't work on root then, but it does now. |
| 15:37.15 | annma | did you ask Gentoo folks? |
| 15:37.32 | MrRat | jthomas: sure it is , uncheck the box that requires password to unlock |
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| 15:38.55 | MrRat | Tommalla: is it just the kde sounds that arent working? |
| 15:39.02 | jthomas | mmm i missed that (after looking 3 times -- really!), but thanks I'll check again when I get to that box. |
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| 15:39.14 | Tommalla | annma: i did, no one had that issue |
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| 15:39.34 | Tommalla | MrRat: yes, i can listen do the music from console and play films on youtube using firefox |
| 15:40.00 | MrRat | Tommalla: emerge phonon with -grsteamer |
| 15:40.01 | Tommalla | though i can't play music in amarok 2 nor hear any sound when starting/closing kde |
| 15:40.04 | Tommalla | i did |
| 15:40.06 | MrRat | -gstreamer |
| 15:41.31 | Tommalla | MrRat: i did, still no effect |
| 15:41.58 | MrRat | Tommalla: system-settings/multimedia, Device Pref tab/music then select arts and hit test |
| 15:42.06 | MrRat | Tommalla: get sound there? |
| 15:42.37 | Tommalla | MrRat: i have no arts on the list |
| 15:43.10 | Tommalla | only my sound driver and jack (which doesn't work and falls back to the driver) |
| 15:43.41 | Jucato | (KDE 4 doesn't have arts) |
| 15:43.47 | annma | should have ALSA or OSS |
| 15:43.57 | MrRat | Tommalla: hmm, i have Alsa, oss esound and arts |
| 15:44.11 | MrRat | Tommalla: u=missing USE flags |
| 15:44.17 | MrRat | :p |
| 15:44.20 | Tommalla | i have my sound driver which uses alsa |
| 15:45.25 | Tommalla | thinks so :D |
| 15:45.53 | annma | MrRat: what arts is that in kde4? |
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| 15:46.05 | Tommalla | anyway, it used to work like this on 4.1.3, so i have completely no idea why it doesn't in 4.2 rc |
| 15:46.20 | MrRat | annma: i was just wondering that myself |
| 15:46.25 | annma | Tommalla: because you forgot to compile with OSS? |
| 15:46.38 | Tommalla | annma: i never used oss? :O |
| 15:46.45 | annma | alsa I mean |
| 15:46.46 | annma | whatever |
| 15:46.47 | Tommalla | don't have it in my kernel? |
| 15:46.59 | annma | alsa Tommalla |
| 15:47.11 | Tommalla | i didn't alsa is in flags and whole kde was compiled with alsa |
| 15:47.12 | annma | ALSA should be listed |
| 15:47.19 | MrRat | annma: its picking up my 3.5 arts also :) |
| 15:47.37 | Tommalla | if it wasn't there wouldn't be sound on root |
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| 15:47.58 | annma | lol MrRat |
| 15:48.29 | annma | Tommalla: I build from KDE svn and I install as user and it all works as user |
| 15:48.32 | MrRat | Tommalla: is your user in the audio group |
| 15:48.42 | Tommalla | yes, he is |
| 15:48.43 | annma | good idea |
| 15:48.53 | Tommalla | already checked that |
| 15:49.04 | MrRat | Tommalla: and sound works at root and not user? |
| 15:49.04 | annma | leaves MrRat to deal with that and cowardly goes to make a cup of tea |
| 15:49.13 | MrRat | Tommalla: tried a clean .kdedir? |
| 15:49.33 | Tommalla | MrRat: sound works with kde as root, works with anything as root & user |
| 15:49.38 | Tommalla | no, wait |
| 15:50.07 | Tommalla | MrRat: where should i look for it? |
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| 15:50.31 | MrRat | Tommalla: your .kde directory? |
| 15:50.41 | MrRat | Tommalla: in your users home dir |
| 15:51.06 | MrRat | Tommalla: logout of X mv the dir to another name and startx |
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| 15:52.02 | Tommalla | i think i found the reason |
| 15:52.21 | MrRat | oh goodie |
| 15:52.22 | MrRat | :p |
| 15:52.24 | Tommalla | there's still an obsolete link kde pointing to 3.5, not 4 |
| 15:52.59 | MrRat | Tommalla: you can fix the symlink to be correct, but it doesnt use the symlink anymore |
| 15:53.23 | Tommalla | but the link isn't broken, since the folder still exists :P |
| 15:53.43 | Tommalla | *while |
| 15:53.47 | annma | symlinks!!!!!!!! |
| 15:53.52 | annma | my worse nightmare |
| 15:54.03 | Tommalla | how do you change symlinks? |
| 15:54.15 | Tommalla | is sorry for asking dumb questions |
| 15:54.15 | MrRat | rm .kde |
| 15:55.07 | Jucato | see channel topic |
| 15:55.18 | Jucato | (but then again, it's a symlink...) |
| 15:55.32 | Tommalla | bb, i'll try to restart kde |
| 15:55.36 | Tommalla | hope it works |
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| 15:56.16 | annma | MrRat: fingers crossed |
| 15:56.23 | MrRat | heh |
| 15:56.27 | annma | babbles incantations |
| 15:56.38 | Jucato | draws diagrams on the floor |
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| 15:59.00 | atom | hi. can anyone help me debug my gentoo kde4 install? the global shortcuts manager doesn't want to start, and phonon is broken. I've already compiled it again, but still no luck. Any ideas on how I can first figure what's wrong? |
| 16:00.07 | MrRat | atom: #gentoo-kde |
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| 16:01.26 | MrRat | atom: but emerge -1av kdedglobalaccel may fix your kded4 |
| 16:01.46 | Tommalla | removing .kde didn't change anything |
| 16:02.07 | MrRat | Tommalla: eselect profile list |
| 16:02.15 | MrRat | Tommalla: what profile is selected? |
| 16:02.29 | Tommalla | desktop |
| 16:02.51 | atom | MrRat: um... you sure that's the right package name? |
| 16:03.24 | Jucato | points to #gentoo-kde for gentoo-related kde problems |
| 16:03.41 | MrRat | atom: um for me it is , but i build :live, so maybe not |
| 16:03.50 | MrRat | atom: #gentoo-kde :p |
| 16:03.50 | atom | MrRat: yeah, it's correct. |
| 16:03.52 | Tommalla | asked in #gentoo-kde and got no useful answer... |
| 16:03.59 | atom | MrRat: I'm going, i'm going... :) |
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| 16:06.18 | comawhite | why does Konsole do a fake clear? |
| 16:06.50 | Jucato | "fake" clear = normal unix term clear |
| 16:07.18 | Jucato | if you want a total clear, Scrollback menu -> Clear Scrollback (& Reset) |
| 16:07.20 | comawhite | well it still shows the scrollbar and if you scroll up you can still see all the previous text |
| 16:07.27 | comawhite | yes ^_^ |
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| 16:07.31 | comawhite | thank you |
| 16:07.42 | Jucato | yes, that's the normal clear for terminals |
| 16:07.50 | Jucato | afaik. and not just console |
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| 16:08.25 | comawhite | i don't see that in Konsole 4.2.60 |
| 16:08.56 | Jucato | 4.2.60? O.o |
| 16:09.05 | comawhite | yeah svn for KDE4 |
| 16:09.14 | Jucato | ah |
| 16:09.16 | comawhite | what will be KDE-4.3 |
| 16:09.19 | Jucato | dunno.. maybe it's removed? |
| 16:09.24 | comawhite | blah |
| 16:09.31 | Jucato | right-click works ? |
| 16:09.38 | Jucato | (there's a context menu) |
| 16:09.43 | comawhite | yes |
| 16:09.45 | comawhite | >.< |
| 16:10.00 | comawhite | thats dumb |
| 16:10.06 | Tommalla | it's beta so you have 50/50 chances for anything to work ;d |
| 16:10.08 | comawhite | not to automatically do it |
| 16:10.15 | comawhite | Tommalla, I know that |
| 16:10.20 | luke-jr | Is Kopete supposed to support V4L2? |
| 16:10.23 | comawhite | but dumb not to have an option for it |
| 16:10.35 | Tommalla | comawhite: it is, you're right |
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| 16:10.49 | comawhite | luke-jr, i had to do LD_PRELOAD crap to get it to work. But then the camera view was still shitty |
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| 16:11.11 | Jucato | no option for what? I just said that there is. |
| 16:11.24 | comawhite | it was too dark and non of the options affected the camera |
| 16:11.30 | Jucato | it might be broken/missing in an pre-alpha state |
| 16:11.50 | comawhite | no I see no option for it just to set the scrollbar count and to hide it |
| 16:12.05 | comawhite | oh snaps |
| 16:12.05 | comawhite | xD |
| 16:12.15 | comawhite | I was looking in the configuration |
| 16:12.16 | comawhite | xD |
| 16:12.20 | comawhite | is a 00b |
| 16:12.23 | comawhite | n00b* |
| 16:13.11 | comawhite | and blind |
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| 16:14.56 | luke-jr | The key sequence 'Ctrl+F' is ambiguous. Use 'Configure Shortcuts' |
| 16:14.56 | luke-jr | from the 'Settings' menu to solve the ambiguity. |
| 16:14.57 | luke-jr | No action will be triggered. |
| 16:15.01 | luke-jr | wtf â¹ |
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| 16:23.42 | Kenjiro | good afternoon |
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| 16:26.01 | luke-jr | how lame |
| 16:26.06 | luke-jr | there is only one Ctrl+F assigned |
| 16:26.13 | Kenjiro | interesting... |
| 16:27.13 | Kenjiro | yesterday I tried to report a crash on Kontact. Then I was told to read the instructions for enabling decent backtraces. Then I recompiled the whole KDE-4.1.96... and now, with debugfull enabled... Plasma crashes everytime :D |
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| 16:37.40 | HaakonME | Hello, I work as a teacher, and nearly all our classrooms have interactive boards with projectors mounted on top. Unfortunately, short teachers and even shorter pupils have a problem. When the computer desktop is displayed on the board the application bars are physically too high up on the wall for them to reach. Is it possible in KDE 4 on GNU/Linux to have the application bars below the application window? Then teachers and pupils alike could eas |
| 16:39.39 | Tommalla | HaakonME: i know that you can move the window using any of its parts (alt + mouse) |
| 16:39.58 | Tommalla | but i assume you don't have ALT button on that board :D |
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| 16:40.09 | Tommalla | so i don't have any ideas :d |
| 16:40.49 | Jucato | what "application bars"? |
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| 16:42.21 | HaakonME | Jucato: I'm thinking of the program bar on top, the menu bar below that, and any toolbars below that one. If just the program bar - the one with the application name and the minimize, maximize and close button on it - could be at the bottom of the window it would help a lot. |
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| 16:43.37 | MrRat | inverted like yakuake is :p |
| 16:43.58 | Jucato | HaakonME: toolbars can be (usually) positioned at the top, sides, or bottom. I just don't think there's a global option to do that for all apps (you'll have to do it individually). window decorations (app name, min, max, close buttons), I'm not sure, but it's probably possible to create a window decoration that does that |
| 16:44.03 | Tommalla | HaakonME: maybe another theme? |
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| 16:44.41 | Jucato | HaakonME: as for the File, Edit, etc. menus (the menubar), that is a bit more problematic, but probably not impossible. but it's more on the level of Qt than KDE |
| 16:45.04 | HaakonME | MrRat: I'm not familiar with yakuake. |
| 16:45.22 | aseigo | it's a terminal that "slides out" from the top of the window |
| 16:45.24 | aseigo | er, screen |
| 16:45.27 | Jucato | MrRat: Yakuake's titlebar and tabbar are not really window decorations and tab bars |
| 16:45.36 | aseigo | really, really handy |
| 16:45.38 | Jucato | they're custom-made, by hand |
| 16:45.40 | MrRat | HaakonME: kde terminal application, only solves your issue for a terminal |
| 16:46.01 | aseigo | HaakonME: which application bars? you mean the menu bars? |
| 16:46.05 | HaakonME | MrRat: Ok, I think I get it. Something similar, yes. |
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| 16:46.26 | Jucato | aseigo: <HaakonME> Jucato: I'm thinking of the program bar on top, the menu bar below that, and any toolbars below that one. If just the program bar - the one with the application name and the minimize, maximize and close button on it - could be at the bottom of the window it would help a lot. |
| 16:46.39 | Jucato | aseigo: so basically everything that's on top :) |
| 16:47.09 | HaakonME | aseigo: Yes. I would like to choose an "Interactive board mode", which would physically lower the window controls. |
| 16:47.10 | Kenjiro | menu bar, tool bar, icon bar, whatever bar ;) |
| 16:47.30 | aseigo | hm.. yeah, we don't have such a thing right now |
| 16:47.33 | HaakonME | Kenjiro: Right. |
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| 16:48.07 | HaakonME | aseigo: I understand. Is it possible to do with KDE 4? |
| 16:48.09 | Jucato | like I said, only the toolbar is relocatable atm |
| 16:48.10 | Kenjiro | HaakonME: that's interesting... because I usually move my task bar (KDE) to the top of the screen *grin* |
| 16:48.25 | aseigo | HaakonME: no.. you're actually the first person i've heard request that tbh =) |
| 16:49.02 | Jucato | aseigo: I've heard one or two requests for an upside down window decoration in the past though |
| 16:49.07 | HaakonME | Kenjiro: Yes, this would be like the taskbar at the bottom, only for application windows too. |
| 16:49.09 | Jucato | but not for any actual need |
| 16:49.17 | Jucato | (more like "I just want to") |
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| 16:50.47 | Kenjiro | recompiling kdebase-workspace, kdebase and kdebase-runtime to see if "plasma" will get back working |
| 16:50.55 | Kenjiro | (kde-4.1.96) |
| 16:51.15 | HaakonME | Jucato: I understand, but this problem is very real. If you have a nice group of people, a short pupil or teacher might get a friendly laugh looking silly in front of the board, but if you have the wrong crowd, a teacher or pupil may be sneered at and bullied. I'm more than tall enough myself, so this isn't a personal problem, I might add. |
| 16:51.54 | Jucato | HaakonME: yep. I'm just saying that I've heard a slightly similar request before. but this is the first that has real application :) |
| 16:51.56 | HaakonME | aseigo: :-) There's a first time for everything, I guess. |
| 16:52.04 | Jucato | unfortunately, the answer doesn't change... |
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| 16:55.15 | HaakonME | Jucato and others: Thanks, then I know. Do you know if this is possible with KDE4/Qt? |
| 16:55.37 | Jucato | <Jucato> HaakonME: toolbars can be (usually) positioned at the top, sides, or bottom. I just don't think there's a global option to do that for all apps (you'll have to do it individually). window decorations (app name, min, max, close buttons), I'm not sure, but it's probably possible to create a window decoration that does that |
| 16:55.40 | clou | on my geforce 8400gs with 180.22 is kde3 still faster than kde 4.2(rc1) |
| 16:55.45 | clou | are the drivers the problem? |
| 16:55.48 | clou | i use 180.22 |
| 16:55.55 | Jucato | HaakonME: the menu bar (File, Edit, etc) I'm not so sure |
| 16:56.21 | HaakonME | Jucato: OK, thanks again! :-) |
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| 16:57.11 | Kenjiro | clou: speaking of nvidia... that reminds me to check which is the latest driver version ;) |
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| 16:58.06 | freysteinn | Hi, how do I move the bottom panel to the top. I'm using Fedora 10. |
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| 16:58.55 | freysteinn | I don't see an option for it in Panel Settings. |
| 16:59.01 | Jucato | freysteinn: click on the cashew/plasma icon at the right end of the panel, then drag the bar that appears on top |
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| 17:00.26 | Dumble | Hello world ! |
| 17:00.26 | clou | Kenjiro: what di mean? :) |
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| 17:00.40 | freysteinn | Jucato: There are two panels that appear when I click the cashew/plasma icon, and I'm not able to drag them to the top. |
| 17:00.44 | xlotlu | how do i change the shutdown/logout timer in kde4? must be some value in ksmserverrc ... |
| 17:00.56 | Kenjiro | clou: it's been sometime since I last upgraded my nvidia driver |
| 17:00.56 | clou | in which distro does kde4 runs at the best? |
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| 17:01.14 | Kenjiro | clou: good question *LOL* |
| 17:01.16 | freysteinn | Jucato: Is it possible that I'm clicking them on the wrong place? |
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| 17:01.38 | Jucato | freysteinn: drag the black/dark/solid one |
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| 17:02.44 | clou | what could be the causes that kde3 runs faster than kde4? |
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| 17:03.14 | freysteinn | Jucato: I'm not able to drag it. Is there a special place that I should click on? |
| 17:03.26 | Kenjiro | clou: because it doesn't use as much 3D as KDE4? |
| 17:03.43 | Jucato | freysteinn: not sure in fedora 10. usually the whole bar is draggable. maybe there's a cross hair (icon with 4 arrows) |
| 17:04.11 | freysteinn | Jucato: Found it. Thanks. |
| 17:04.14 | Jucato | clou: almost 10 years of development? an ancient Qt that doesn't expose problems with underlying infrastructure? |
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| 17:05.15 | clou | i guess there will be improvements or? |
| 17:06.17 | Jucato | there will always be... but it will/should not come only from KDE's side |
| 17:07.20 | clou | i hope it, because when i rn kde3 and kde4 without nvidia drivers, i get abozut the same performance |
| 17:07.35 | clou | on my machine nvidia seems to "destroy" your work |
| 17:07.46 | Jucato | that's part of the problem |
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| 17:13.45 | clou | yes |
| 17:16.09 | knusperfrosch | trying to copy a folder via ftp to a local dir: i get "530 Sorry, the maximum number of clients (3) for this user are already connected." |
| 17:16.30 | Tommalla | knusperfrosch: hahah, what a bound :D |
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| 17:17.10 | Zaister | What do I need for ICQ in Kopete 4.1.96? |
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| 17:17.39 | drantin | knusperfrosch: that would be an error on the ftp server that too many people are already connected... |
| 17:18.03 | knusperfrosch | Zaister: what about a icq account <scrnr> |
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| 17:18.14 | knusperfrosch | drantin: so why can i still browse the ftp but not copy? |
| 17:18.22 | Zaister | knusperfrosch: it's only offering Jabber, SMS, and Yahoo currently |
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| 17:19.03 | drantin | knusperfrosch: that's one way to configure an ftp server, to allow browsing but limit concurrent uploads (from the ftp servers POV) |
| 17:19.23 | knusperfrosch | drantin: i'd consider that a bug, killall kio_ftp and it works a gain |
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| 17:20.33 | damada | hi, just a quick but even more HUGE congrats to upcoming 4.2! RC looks and feels great (on a |
| 17:20.41 | damada | on ATI with radeonhd |
| 17:20.41 | drantin | knusperfrosch: then it seems the people that were downloading either finished, or it was using more than one stream to connect and wouldn't let you have a second stream |
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| 17:21.06 | knusperfrosch | drantin: erm i'm the only user, and as i said, killall kio_ftp fixed it |
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| 17:21.29 | knusperfrosch | Zaister: where did you get the packages? |
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| 17:21.35 | KTL | where do i have to be with a question about getting google talk working on kopete 0.60 ? |
| 17:21.38 | drantin | knusperfrosch: and the second part of what I said would explain that |
| 17:21.46 | KTL | negotiation error |
| 17:22.05 | Jucato | KTL: try #kopete |
| 17:22.09 | damada | KTL it works here no problem... so I'd assume a config error |
| 17:22.18 | Commodore-Freak | evening... is there a way to group windows from the same app in the KDE4.1.4 taskbar, just like in KDE3? |
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| 17:22.26 | Jucato | Commodore-Freak: KDE 4.2 |
| 17:22.28 | Zaister | knusperfrosch: from gentoo, but I think figured it out, need "oscar" USE flag |
| 17:22.32 | KTL | goes to #kopete |
| 17:22.34 | damada | Commodore-Freak: in 4.2 there is |
| 17:22.47 | drantin | knusperfrosch: either way, kio_ftp isn't going to make up an error that the ftp server didn't give it |
| 17:22.49 | Kenjiro | oh my... plasma still crashing on me : ( |
| 17:23.01 | Kenjiro | can anyone take a quick look at this: http://pastebin.com/d3e5a5166 |
| 17:23.19 | damada | Commodore-Freak: I think it's safe to install 4.2RC... I'm sure you won't go back to 4.1.x after you tried |
| 17:23.45 | Kenjiro | yesterday plasma was working. Today, after recompiling the whole KDE with "-DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=debugfull", plasma won't work :( |
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| 17:23.52 | Tommalla | Commodore-Freak: damada is right |
| 17:24.06 | Tommalla | i still don't have sound but i wouldn't go back to 4.1.3 |
| 17:24.10 | Commodore-Freak | i think i will wait until it arrives in the freebsd-ports |
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| 17:25.18 | Thoradin | anyone with powerdevil experience? |
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| 17:25.40 | Thoradin | how can i set key actions? |
| 17:26.11 | knusperfrosch | drantin: do't know what's going wrong but i guess kio_ftp-instances aren't shared between konqueror and what ever does the copy job |
| 17:26.30 | KTL | damada, what is your kopete version? |
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| 17:27.19 | damada | KTL Version 0.60.82 |
| 17:27.24 | KTL | damada, mine is 0.60.4 |
| 17:27.41 | KTL | sounds like a development version |
| 17:27.51 | Jucato | it's 4.2 RC |
| 17:28.28 | damada | Tommalla: my sound here is just working great :) |
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| 17:28.39 | serenity | hi |
| 17:28.56 | Tommalla | damada: yes, that seems helpful :P |
| 17:28.59 | Kenjiro | oh my... I will recompile kdebase-workspace without debugfull just to see if plasma will get back to work :( |
| 17:29.02 | Kenjiro | brb |
| 17:29.05 | damada | pretty much everything is working great, and I am confident that the fix for the dolphin/CIFS bug will make it into 4.2 final, too |
| 17:29.11 | serenity | I'm using 4.2rc1 but can't add google gadgets. |
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| 17:29.36 | Tommalla | damada: what bug are you talking about? |
| 17:30.12 | damada | Tommalla: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=414339 |
| 17:30.21 | damada | Tommalla: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156759 |
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| 17:30.41 | cumulus007 | how can I print a selection in Konqueror? |
| 17:30.57 | damada | pretty annoying bug in a real world networking environment :) |
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| 17:31.23 | Tommalla | damada: it's only when using samba? |
| 17:32.27 | damada | Tommalla: no problem here with NFS |
| 17:32.43 | damada | and reportedly also works fine with FUSE-Samba |
| 17:33.07 | damada | but mount.cifs is a pain... but a fix is on its way |
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| 17:36.25 | arnoldk67 | Hello, how can I change the file association in KDE 4.1? |
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| 17:37.00 | arnoldk67 | I'd like to change the icons that are associated with a special file type. |
| 17:37.13 | pinotree | you cannot |
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| 17:38.39 | arnoldk67 | aren't there any config files that I could edit with a text editor to change file association? |
| 17:39.27 | KTL | damada, i reconfigured kopete from scratch and it works now, thanks! |
| 17:40.00 | damada | KTL: no problem, you're welcome :) |
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| 17:42.00 | jobe | in kmail: I need to access my work email at home. its POP3. At work, the mails are downloaded to the computer, and presumably deleted from the mail server. So I need to be able to viwe my mails at home, without them being removed from the server, so that when I get back to work they are redownladed there and I have a copy at both locations. It is critical that I still have the all the mails at work. To achieve this do I just need to tick 'leave mail on server' in |
| 17:42.02 | jobe | kmail? |
| 17:42.02 | Kenjiro | has anyone seen this happen before? You enable "debugfull" and then an application stops working. |
| 17:42.31 | Kenjiro | jobe: yes |
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| 17:42.52 | Kenjiro | then kmail will fetch the messages without erasing them on the server |
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| 17:43.38 | jobe | Kenjiro: and they will be delievered as new when I get back to work? |
| 17:43.49 | serenity | which package do i need to get google gadgets working in 4.2rc1? |
| 17:43.52 | Kenjiro | yes, If I am not mistaken |
| 17:44.16 | jobe | Kenjiro: are you likely to be mistaken? :) |
| 17:44.19 | Kenjiro | jobe: they will be delivered at work, yes. Don't remember if it will be as "new" messages |
| 17:44.47 | jobe | Kenjiro: ok, thats great, thanks :) |
| 17:44.58 | Kenjiro | jobe: well... it works just like that when I read my emails on gmail (using web) and then I download them at home with KMail |
| 17:45.21 | Kenjiro | even after reading the messages on gmail site, the messages are delivered to me as new on KMail ;) |
| 17:45.35 | chlue | jobe: it would be much better to use imap for that. Because in your scenario emails you 'see' at your work at first will nevber be availabel at home. |
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| 17:45.56 | Jucato | kmail won't mark those emails as read, and as long as you haven't downloaded them in the other client, they will be downloaded as new |
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| 17:47.00 | jobe | hmm, yes i guess i need to change the settings on my work mail client aso that it doesnt delete all the mails |
| 17:47.02 | jobe | ok |
| 17:47.25 | jobe | thanks all for your help, I've cleared all that up :D |
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| 17:48.38 | chlue | jobe: I use the function 'ofline imap' on my laptop in kmail for that. Works fine, even if internet is not available and messages are synced with the server (readstate, erasing of mails,...) |
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| 17:49.30 | Jucato | except he mentioned it's pop3. it's probably fixed (if it's a work e-mail account) |
| 17:49.37 | chlue | jobe: if you use pop3 withoud deletion you have to delete every email at home and at work and at some time your mailbox will overflow. |
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| 17:50.16 | chlue | Jucato: a lot of providers luckily allow to use both on a mailbox nowadays. |
| 17:50.45 | Jucato | only knows of 1 free one... |
| 17:51.02 | Jucato | but anyway, I presume it's a work e-mail, so might be limited |
| 17:51.09 | jobe | i admin the mailserver, so its ok |
| 17:51.16 | Jucato | ah there :) |
| 17:51.20 | damada | would also be happy to get some hints on good providers with IMAP... |
| 17:51.22 | Jucato | imap then :P |
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| 17:51.53 | damada | jobe: any reason why you don't offer IMAP? |
| 17:51.58 | FreakGuard | problem with yakuake: the hotkey doesn't work |
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| 17:53.18 | jobe | damada: because I never had reason to change it from the POP default, IMAP is very superior |
| 17:53.25 | looonger | why is kickoff menu so ugly in kde-4.2? |
| 17:53.25 | jobe | then? |
| 17:53.46 | damada | jobe: is that a question? |
| 17:53.57 | damada | of course it is superior from a users perspective |
| 17:54.01 | jobe | yup |
| 17:54.09 | damada | causes higher server load, I'd say |
| 17:54.18 | chlue | I just installed the new version of kdiff3 (http://kdiff3.sourceforge.net/) It brings a KDE-Konqueror service menu pluginfor kde 4, but unfortunate the menu is only in konqueror. Should it generally be possible to have it in dolphin, too? |
| 17:54.41 | jobe | BTW, is kontact abandoned, because its not been updated in a year |
| 17:54.54 | SSJ_GZ | jobe: No |
| 17:55.07 | damada | jobe are you on 3.5.x? |
| 17:55.13 | jobe | no, on kde 4 |
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| 17:57.11 | jobe | so is kontact likely to be updated soon |
| 17:57.38 | Jucato | chlue: service menus should be usable in both... |
| 17:57.59 | chlue | jobe: I think the website is just not updated. http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog4_1_3to4_1_4.php as you can see kmail just got a lot of bugfixes released. |
| 17:58.01 | Jucato | oh wait, plugin |
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| 17:58.45 | Jucato | chlue: if it's a plugin (a.k.a. not a service menu), then it will only work on Konqueror. Dolphin doesn't do plugins |
| 17:58.47 | Kenjiro | VERY NICE :( |
| 17:59.23 | Kenjiro | even compiling kdebase, kdebase-runtime and kdebase-workspace without "debugfull" plasma is not working :( |
| 17:59.25 | Jucato | jobe: Kontact is part KDE PIM and is released everytime KDE is released. so it's not "not updated" |
| 17:59.37 | Kenjiro | I see I will have to recompile kdelibs without that too :( |
| 18:00.04 | Kenjiro | and all because I wanted to help tracing a crash in Kontact :( |
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| 18:02.14 | chlue | Jucato: that sad. Dolphin replaced Konqueror as a filemanager for me, but this will probably a killer feature to go back. Service menus does allow some logic, too or can they only dislay static content? |
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| 18:03.27 | Jucato | chlue: the problem is not with Dolphin. service menus are usable in both Konqueror and Dolphin. but kdiff's author, for some reason, chose to use a plugin instead. that means it will only work on Konqueror. Dolphin isn't plugin based because it is meant to be a simple (but poweful) file manager |
| 18:03.40 | SimAtWork | chlue: change the association back to konqueror. i did. |
| 18:03.54 | SimAtWork | chlue: dolphin is too.. uhm... trying to be nice here. |
| 18:04.14 | Jucato | SimAtWork: sure you're referring to the KDE 4 Dolphin? |
| 18:04.23 | SimAtWork | Jucato: yes |
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| 18:04.37 | Jucato | hm. really... |
| 18:04.43 | SimAtWork | dolphin 1.1 |
| 18:04.45 | SimAtWork | using kde 4.1.3 |
| 18:04.57 | SimAtWork | it's rather crash prone and problematic. |
| 18:05.01 | chlue | SimAtWork: till now i am quiet happy with dolphin. Didn't expect it reading whats the target audience is, but got positive surprised. |
| 18:05.11 | Jucato | never had a crash in Dolphin... |
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| 18:05.16 | SimAtWork | really? |
| 18:05.20 | SimAtWork | hrm, perhaps i am unlucky |
| 18:05.23 | Jucato | nor a serious problem that's actually Dolphin's fault |
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| 18:05.41 | SimAtWork | overall i'm pretty displeased with kde 4 overall. but i think i am just spoiled with kde 3.5.10 |
| 18:05.44 | Jucato | (most performance problems I've had are nepomuk/strigi related) |
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| 18:06.54 | chlue | Jucato: The kdiff3 plugin has an entry 'save file for later' this file can then used as base for comparsion when accessing the menu from another file. Would a service menu allow this behavior, too? |
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| 18:07.14 | Jucato | chlue: not sure |
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| 18:11.37 | jobe | damada: I think that I can choose imap or pop3 to use for accessing my mail accounts - it doesnt seem to make a difference. is that possible? if that is whats happening, then I should always use IMAP presumably |
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| 18:12.38 | damada | jobe: from a users perspective IMAP is faaaar superior |
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| 18:13.14 | damada | you can access you email account from severy clients plus native webfrontend and you always have you mail in sync |
| 18:14.05 | jobe | damada: yes all our mail accounts automatically have a webmail counterpart (the mail server is managed using a plesk interface (not my choice)) |
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| 18:14.27 | jobe | damada: so IMAP is POP3 compatible then? |
| 18:14.39 | damada | jobe: no, IMAP is a different standard |
| 18:14.49 | damada | POP3 is lousy, while IMAP rocks |
| 18:15.15 | chlue | jobe: only problem I see with imap is, that if one of your programms runs amok it will trash the mails on the server and then every other client sync that state, too. With pop3 its saver to try something new :-) |
| 18:15.18 | SimAtWork | imap does rock |
| 18:15.30 | SimAtWork | i love google mail :) |
| 18:15.30 | jobe | damada: so i must be wrong in thinking that I can use imap and pop with my account then - or maybe the server jsut supports both? |
| 18:15.47 | Kenjiro | ok, recompiling kdelibs, kdebase, kdebase-workspace and kdebase-runtime without "debugfull". Let's see if plasma will work again :( |
| 18:15.51 | chlue | jobe: a lot of mailserver support this. |
| 18:16.00 | damada | jobe: if you are the admin of the server *you* should know best :) |
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| 18:16.52 | hyper_ch | hmmm, is there a perforamce impact using kde 4.2 rc and nvidia 180.06 drivers? |
| 18:16.52 | jobe | damada: heh, well basically im a web designer fulfilling ever possible technical aspect of a company that is entirely internet orientated, hence im responsible for stuff that i know nothing about XD |
| 18:17.01 | damada | but you are right in that respect: if a mail client runs amok, or if theres a user doing wrong, it could mean loss of mail |
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| 18:17.34 | chlue | But hey jobe is the admin he will know where the backup are :-) |
| 18:17.36 | jobe | chlue: thanks, that explains my observations about using both |
| 18:17.54 | damada | that said: I didn't have any such incident in many years now of using kmail/kontact |
| 18:18.03 | jobe | chlue: yeeeeesssssssssssssss... |
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| 18:18.45 | jobe | damada: 95% of people using my mailserver use bl00dy outlook 07 tho, much less predictable |
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| 18:18.57 | jobe | breaks if you glance at it the wrong way :( |
| 18:19.17 | damada | jobe: /me is no fan of outlook, too, but I haven't heard of an IMAP bug in that respect |
| 18:19.23 | jobe | anyway, thats another story |
| 18:19.41 | jobe | :) you've been very helpful, many thanks, cleared alot of questions up for me |
| 18:19.51 | damada | you're welcome! |
| 18:20.02 | jobe | :) |
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| 18:20.39 | jobe | BTW, kontact looks like a pretty comprehensive outlook replacement, do you think that is so? I suppose you probably dont know outlook very well (neither do I) |
| 18:21.57 | jobe | I would like to wean my co-workers off outlook you see |
| 18:22.09 | Kenjiro | anyone running Kontact from KDE 4.2rc1 (KDE-4.1.96)? |
| 18:22.16 | Kenjiro | (running at this very moment) |
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| 18:24.19 | chlue | jobe: I have to use outlook at work and I hate it for the email part (with an exchange server). The calender part is nice, but I don't know this aspect of kontact very well. |
| 18:24.41 | damada | jobe: I can handly kontact much better than Outlook, but I am still missing elatorated syncing capabilities with mobile devices |
| 18:26.09 | damada | so if your colleagues need that they might like outlook better... also, since I am doing admin stuff too: I don't feel well forcing apps down peoples throats |
| 18:26.52 | damada | maybe start with giving them the opportunity, some will likely do the switch, other will never do |
| 18:27.08 | jobe | never is not an option :) |
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| 18:27.35 | jobe | with me around, they'll grow to like foss, or lump it |
| 18:27.35 | luke-jr | Kenjiro: yes |
| 18:27.55 | luke-jr | Kenjiro: pain in the butt, isn't it? ⺠|
| 18:28.03 | damada | jobe: careful with that, never underestimate how stubborn people can be ;) |
| 18:28.05 | Kenjiro | luke-jr: could you help me test if a crash is reproduceable? |
| 18:28.08 | Thoradin | can I place kdialog windows? or is centered fixed |
| 18:28.13 | luke-jr | Kenjiro: if it's quick |
| 18:28.19 | Kenjiro | pretty quick |
| 18:28.20 | chlue | jobe: do you run kde on windows? |
| 18:28.26 | luke-jr | eek |
| 18:28.30 | jobe | chlue: yes, I know that they use the calendar aspet for appointments and to dos alot, ill have to experiemnt with kontact more i this regard |
| 18:28.30 | luke-jr | it's "RC", not "RC1"? |
| 18:28.38 | luke-jr | I seriously hope the devs plan to do a RC2 |
| 18:28.41 | luke-jr | RC1 is terrible |
| 18:28.42 | Kenjiro | well... KDE-4.1.96 |
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| 18:29.05 | luke-jr | Kenjiro: quick, I need to go⦠|
| 18:29.05 | jobe | chlue: currently at work yes, at home: no. i intend to install linux on my desktop at work soon, boss permitting |
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| 18:29.13 | Kenjiro | ok |
| 18:29.36 | Kenjiro | in kontact/kmail, select multiple messages (3 or more) then delete them (they should go to the trash folder) |
| 18:29.43 | Kenjiro | after doing that, does Kontact crashes? |
| 18:30.10 | luke-jr | -.- |
| 18:30.14 | luke-jr | I don't delete messages |
| 18:30.39 | Kenjiro | (you can put them back where they were later *grin*) |
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| 18:32.40 | xlotlu | is it possible to change the timer of the ksmserver logout dialogue? |
| 18:32.57 | Half-Left | Latest RC in branches is giving me "KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/konsole'" and some other apps, anyone else? |
| 18:33.15 | Half-Left | Apps DO launch |
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| 18:35.48 | jobe | GTG |
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| 18:39.33 | microslop | Hi |
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| 18:40.41 | microslop | KDE 4.2 rc working better on Nvidia GF7800GT and drivers 180 than KDE 4.1.3? |
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| 18:40.48 | microslop | Window randering is faster? |
| 18:40.48 | mib_bfxde3 | hi |
| 18:41.24 | microslop | hi |
| 18:41.37 | mib_bfxde3 | i've installed kde 4.2 RC 1. Now i want to add a plasmoid with google gadet. But there is no button to do so. |
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| 18:43.34 | microslop | Try "add widgets" and next install widget from disk |
| 18:43.38 | microslop | Or something like that |
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| 18:44.13 | noobie09 | how do switch to KDM from GDM in Fedora 10. I already tried 'switchdesk kdm' but that didn't fix it? |
| 18:44.22 | Half-Left | mib_bfxde3: If there's no option that you didn't install google gadgets or correctly |
| 18:44.28 | damada | Kenjiro: I just tried deleting several mails: no problem |
| 18:44.39 | mib_bfxde3 | did so. Ruby, Plasmoid, Dashboard etc are all available, but gg not |
| 18:45.48 | Half-Left | It's a option in Add Widgets>Install New Widgets called "Download New Google Gadgets" |
| 18:46.14 | mib_bfxde3 | half-left: no. Are the packages from kubuntu.org |
| 18:46.47 | Half-Left | Well we can't help you with that, ask your distro what the correct package is |
| 18:46.52 | Kenjiro | damada: hmmmmmmm thanks |
| 18:46.59 | Kenjiro | damada: you deleted them at once, right? |
| 18:47.01 | Kenjiro | not one by one |
| 18:47.03 | mib_bfxde3 | ok, thanks |
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| 18:47.10 | damada | no, moved them to trash, Kenjiro |
| 18:47.28 | damada | ah, yes, marked 3, pressed del, |
| 18:47.40 | Kenjiro | yes, that's what I do and kontact crashes on me |
| 18:48.58 | K`zan | Hi folks, I have been trying to move my $home to a new machine, with the OS duplicated (Kubuntu 8.4.1) and even after copying over my $HOME, I still get mostly the default desktop. What am I missing, google wasn't much help :-(. I've got a LOT of customization to the desktop and would rather not have to recreate it all from scratch. TMIA! |
| 18:49.06 | noobie09 | exit |
| 18:49.37 | K`zan | This is kde3.5 FWIW... |
| 18:49.48 | chlue | K`zan: switched from kde3 to kde4? |
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| 18:50.15 | K`zan | chlue: No, tried it and it is missing a LOT of the functionality of 3.5 which I use :-/. |
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| 18:50.42 | K`zan | Pretty, but not up to 3.5 yet :-(. |
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| 18:52.11 | Kenjiro | K`zan: which functionalities? |
| 18:53.53 | jazka | did kde 3.2 have all those functionalities? |
| 18:54.01 | jazka | or 3.1 |
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| 18:54.23 | K`zan | Kenjiro: Ability to manipulate the panels, place them, move stuff as needed in them, kontact will not restart from where it was left, got to set it up every time. I'll wait for 4.5, I have a partition set up to keep trying it on. |
| 18:55.05 | chlue | 4.5 will be 07.2010 if i count right. might be a long wait |
| 18:55.16 | jazka | :) |
| 18:55.23 | K`zan | jazka: Not IIRC :-). But it seems somehow problematical that the 4 release should loose so much of 3.5s functionality. |
| 18:55.31 | Kenjiro | one thing that bothers me is akregator. Everytime I have to tell it how I want things displayed :( |
| 18:55.41 | K`zan | That too :-(. |
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| 18:56.11 | Kenjiro | kmail wasn't bothering me till yesterday *LOL* |
| 18:56.34 | K`zan | So many "problems". I don't need pretty, I need the functionality. Not a biggie at this point, UI'm willing to wait. Been with kde forever now and unlike some people this has bothered, I am NOT going to gnome :). |
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| 18:56.52 | jazka | I've been using kde4 for a year now |
| 18:56.54 | K`zan | I just need to be able to port the desktop to the new machine. |
| 18:57.30 | Half-Left | K`zan: 3.5 took many years, KDE4.2 will about a year on in the 4 series from a big rewrite and new APi's |
| 18:57.42 | chlue | K`zan: everything you done as a normal user should be on home. You copied it, while the user was logged out? |
| 18:57.42 | K`zan | jazka: Glad it works for you. One comment I was given on 4 was it reminded them too much of wincrap with the loss of functionality :(. Made the same comment someone else made here, wait a while and try it again. |
| 18:58.03 | Kenjiro | K`zan: I use KDE since 1997. I did try gnome once... long ago. Very bad experice *LOL* |
| 18:58.20 | K`zan | chlue: So I would have thought, but I loose 99% of the desktop I have on this box over there. |
| 18:58.22 | Kenjiro | I believe my first KDE was 0.8 |
| 18:58.44 | K`zan | Kenjiro: LOL, same here, gnome looks to me like a crippled wincrap UI :-/. |
| 18:59.06 | Half-Left | it's a same so many KDE3.x fans didn't educate themselfs on KDE4 series |
| 18:59.14 | Half-Left | shame* |
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| 18:59.33 | K`zan | Dunno what I am doing wrong, but in the past I have had the same problems porting it and just spent the time to rebuild the whole mess. Trying to avoid that. |
| 19:00.04 | K`zan | Half-Left: THe docs were no help in getting that functionality, the weakest thing with kde IMO is the docs :-(. |
| 19:00.48 | K`zan | I've spent several days trying to beat 4 into shape, decided for now to go back to 3.5 for a while. |
| 19:01.28 | K`zan | Sigh, I guess it is going to rebuild the desktop from scratch again, if there is a migration tool out there, I sure have missed it. |
| 19:01.31 | Half-Left | K`zan: It's a new API, brand new , seriously can't tell me that a hand full of people can do all the functionallity of 3.5 |
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| 19:02.16 | K`zan | Half-Left: Well, I sure haven't had any luck with it. Not from lack of trying and reading until my eyeballs ache :-). |
| 19:02.18 | Half-Left | Saying that KDE4.x does have NEW functionallity over 3.x |
| 19:02.34 | FreakGuard | kopete - metacontacts: how to set the preferred protocoll? |
| 19:02.43 | K`zan | Half-Left: And loss of a lot of the 3,5 from what I am seeing / experincing... |
| 19:02.47 | K`zan | bbiab, phone. |
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| 19:03.05 | MikeH | What is kde's "effects" engine, and how do I restart it when it crashes? |
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| 19:03.26 | Tommalla | MikeH kwin? |
| 19:04.19 | MikeH | Tommalla: Possibly, transparency has gone on my gdesklets, and I don't get little animations when switching desktops anymore |
| 19:04.25 | Half-Left | K`zan: Well thats because you dont understand it all, like I said, seems quiet a few people stuck their head in the sand and just took it out |
| 19:04.26 | MikeH | (I'm using 4.2) |
| 19:05.02 | Tommalla | MikeH since when? |
| 19:05.15 | Tommalla | cause it may be that you've changed something |
| 19:05.35 | MikeH | Tommalla: Since it crashed, gave me a message telling me it had quit, but I clicked off it t oo quick to see how to re-enable it |
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| 19:06.07 | Tommalla | MikeH do following: |
| 19:06.23 | Tommalla | right mouse button on any window bar |
| 19:06.44 | Tommalla | select window behavior settings or similar |
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| 19:07.12 | MikeH | Desktop effects are enabled |
| 19:07.18 | Tommalla | hmmm |
| 19:07.31 | Tommalla | maybe just try to restart x? |
| 19:07.38 | MikeH | hrm |
| 19:07.51 | MikeH | Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. |
| 19:08.28 | Tommalla | is that an error? |
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| 19:09.12 | MikeH | yes |
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| 19:11.57 | Kenjiro | K`zan: I admit I didn't like the idea, initialy, of having to rebuild my desktop from KDE 3.5 to 4.x |
| 19:12.04 | Kenjiro | but I did it.. and now I just like it ;) |
| 19:12.26 | oneforall | kde 3.5.9 how do you mount a dvd with over the 2GB files using -udf from a user. hal doesn't weem to reconize that |
| 19:12.39 | Kenjiro | in fact it is much cleaner than it was on 3.5. Now I don't have icons on my desktop, only on the task/launch bar |
| 19:13.11 | MikeH | hrm |
| 19:14.09 | MikeH | anyone have any ideas on my desktop effects problem? |
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| 19:31.56 | Ivo | Hi, can I rearrange the windows on the task bar (task manager) in KDE 4 |
| 19:32.22 | Ivo | I'm using kde 4.1 in Slackware-current |
| 19:32.32 | Ivo | and I can't rearrange |
| 19:32.35 | Jucato | only in 4.2 |
| 19:33.11 | Ivo | ok.. perfect.. slackware 13 will arrive with 4.2 :) |
| 19:34.04 | Half-Left | Compile you lazy slacker user :p |
| 19:34.27 | Ivo | slackware isn't about compiling :P |
| 19:34.39 | Jucato | hm. "lazy slacker" is a redundancy :) |
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| 19:35.07 | Ivo | it needs little bit of working but it's a distribution for lazy guys... |
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| 19:35.09 | Jucato | (it's not about being tied hopelessly to packages too, at least afaik) |
| 19:35.17 | cumulus007 | does KDE have a configuration backend, like gConf? |
| 19:35.18 | Tommalla | Ivo: what do you mean? That you can't compile on slack? |
| 19:35.20 | Half-Left | I compiled alot when using skaclware |
| 19:35.29 | Half-Left | slackware* |
| 19:35.39 | Ivo | no, I mean that you don't need compiling, as a lot of people think |
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| 19:35.42 | Half-Left | Always used to compile the latest DE |
| 19:36.04 | Ivo | there are things like slacky.eu and other useful repositories so you don't need compiling from source |
| 19:36.17 | Half-Left | If you trust that |
| 19:36.47 | Ivo | I can trust slacky, but I can't trust linuxpackages :D |
| 19:37.03 | Half-Left | true |
| 19:37.26 | Jucato | cumulus007: KConfig.. but that's for programmers to know. users... just plain old human readable text files |
| 19:37.35 | Jucato | (gconf is for programmers too anyway) |
| 19:38.10 | Ivo | the configuration system in KDE is making me angry |
| 19:38.31 | Ivo | in kde 3.5.10, I've rebooted (power failiture) while KDE was loading |
| 19:38.32 | Half-Left | Thats a first :p |
| 19:38.37 | cumulus007 | Jucato: does KConfig the same job as gConf? |
| 19:38.41 | Ivo | and I was forced to re-set KDE :D |
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| 19:39.27 | Half-Left | Well a power failure can corrupt files, nothing to do with KDE |
| 19:39.28 | Jucato | cumulus007: I wouldn't know. never programmed in gtk/gnome. but KConfig is KDE's configuration infrastructure (again, mostly relevant for programmers) |
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| 19:39.41 | Ivo | I think no... gconftool-2 is about something like a database... and KDE is a little bit different |
| 19:40.04 | cumulus007 | there isn't anything like gconftool available? |
| 19:40.06 | Jucato | Ivo: gconftool (or gconf-editor) is a tool... it's not gconf itself |
| 19:40.29 | Ivo | ok, thanks for correcting me |
| 19:40.45 | Ivo | but I don't think it's a good idea :S |
| 19:40.45 | Jucato | cumulus007: none that I know of, because most of the functionality/options that are available, are available in GUI dialogs |
| 19:40.51 | Jucato | (most, not all) |
| 19:40.59 | cumulus007 | Okay. |
| 19:41.33 | Half-Left | Yes because gnome doesn't like to much functionallity :) |
| 19:41.45 | Jucato | cumulus007: um but actually now that I've read it, gconftool isn't gconf-editor |
| 19:41.51 | Jucato | kde has kwriteconfig and kreadconfig |
| 19:42.08 | Ivo | if you browse gconf-editor, you will see that a lot of the gnome config features are not configurable throught the default control stuff |
| 19:42.34 | Ivo | gconftool is a console program that modifies values in the gconf database ;) |
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| 19:42.56 | Jucato | hence the kwriteconfig/kreadconfig |
| 19:43.23 | Jucato | but mostly no need for gconf-editor to set options.. very few hidden options |
| 19:43.27 | Jucato | (but the exist!) |
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| 19:44.08 | Ivo | in gnome, for example, you can even make the size be displayed bellow the icon in nautilus |
| 19:44.34 | Jucato | a few clicks in Dolphin/Konqueror |
| 19:44.49 | Ivo | I don't know about Dolphin, but I haven't saw this in Konqueror |
| 19:45.02 | Ivo | but Dolphin really rules |
| 19:45.03 | Jucato | Konqueror uses Dolphin (part) |
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| 19:45.21 | Ivo | I like KDE since konqueror is not a file manager |
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| 19:46.04 | Ivo | is Arora a official part of KDE 4.x? |
| 19:46.55 | Jucato | it's not a part of KDE. |
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| 19:47.13 | Jucato | it's a Qt-only web browser |
| 19:47.30 | Ivo | it's better not to use KDE libraries |
| 19:47.33 | Ivo | just simplicity... |
| 19:47.40 | Zaister | How do I use the search database that Nepomuk/Strigi collects? |
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| 19:48.28 | Jucato | Ivo: depends if you call having to rewrite a lot of the classes/algorithms already provided by kdelibs "simplicity" |
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| 19:49.22 | Ivo | try not using them. Arora is small in code, more functional than konqueror and should replace it ;) |
| 19:49.24 | Iraimbilanja | Heh |
| 19:49.52 | Iraimbilanja | Apparently the gnome guys don't have a simple text editor with proper code indentation |
| 19:49.55 | Iraimbilanja | Imagine that ;) |
| 19:50.04 | Ivo | just use Geany :D |
| 19:50.07 | Jucato | Ivo: exactly! I mean the current webkit version included in Qt 4.4 (which Arora uses) doesn't even do flash or other plugins! simplicity at its best! |
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| 19:50.34 | Iraimbilanja | ivo I just tried that... it works about as well as gedit. That is it doesn't autoindent control structures |
| 19:50.42 | Ivo | and.. why not just implement more things to Qt :) |
| 19:50.52 | Jucato | use KWrite/Kate. we are in #kde after all |
| 19:51.11 | Ivo | Kwrite does the same job as Geany.. even less :D |
| 19:51.35 | Iraimbilanja | Yeah jucato except that I'm trying out gnome now and I'm in here only to make fun of it ;] |
| 19:51.44 | Jucato | Ivo: because Qt can only go so far. it's not its goal to be a desktop environment and platform. otherwise there would have been no need for KDE in the first place |
| 19:52.01 | Ivo | qt is already lost as just a toolkit :D |
| 19:52.04 | Ivo | it's not only that |
| 19:52.19 | Ivo | they even implement things like qstring |
| 19:52.36 | Ivo | I know, these are from old times, when C++'s classes weren't good |
| 19:52.38 | Jucato | so? that doesn't make it a desktop environment/platform. |
| 19:53.03 | Jucato | it implements non-GUI classes in support of its platform. only natural and makes things a whole lot easier |
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| 19:53.44 | K`zan | Kenjiro: I tried rebuilding the desktop under 4, did't work, can't place the panels nor arrange the widgets within them. By deleting and adding in the right order you can get an aproximation to some degree. |
| 19:53.54 | Ivo | Jucato: have you programmed in gtkmm |
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| 19:54.17 | Jucato | Ivo: I don't want to |
| 19:54.36 | Jucato | I've tried to take a look at it though... not much I can say |
| 19:54.48 | Jucato | "sugar coated GTK+" is the kindest thing I can think of |
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| 19:55.01 | Ivo | K`zan: I may not understand you right, but try deleting the KDE settings and reseting all the things again |
| 19:55.04 | Jucato | (anyway, this is going offtopic for this channel) |
| 19:55.36 | arussel | I installed skim. but control-space doesn't bring anything. Did anyone manage to install skim on kde4.1 |
| 19:55.38 | arussel | ? |
| 19:55.46 | K`zan | Ivo: as in rm .kde kderc and start over? |
| 19:55.51 | K`zan | .kderc |
| 19:55.56 | Ivo | exactly ;) |
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| 19:56.06 | Ivo | backup it first |
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| 19:56.25 | K`zan | That didn't work either, it merely reestablishes the default :-(. Yes, EVERYTHING backed up :). |
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| 19:57.05 | Ivo | the settings may be in other location |
| 19:57.08 | K`zan | This box (which is what I want) remains untouched, just copied over to the new box ($HOME) and everything merged. |
| 19:57.29 | Ivo | just try creating a new account and see if behaves the same way ;) |
| 19:57.41 | K`zan | Ivo: I think that is the answer, stuff related to ones desktop is not kept in ~/.kde. Just where that might be is a mystery :). |
| 19:58.12 | Ivo | you can trace it with a command that finds all the files read by a process.. it was... |
| 19:58.13 | Ivo | wait... |
| 19:58.15 | K`zan | Ivo: Setting up a new account brings you right back to the default desktop (in 3.5 or 4). |
| 19:59.08 | Ivo | lsof is the command |
| 19:59.13 | K`zan | Ivo: Sometimes I wish I hadn't gotten a faster box :). Maybe I'll just leave that with wincrap for the flightsims and this box for linux, it is plenty fast enough for anything except rendering. |
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| 19:59.32 | Ivo | see the manual of lsof |
| 19:59.34 | Ivo | (man lsof) |
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| 20:03.04 | K`zan | Ivo: lsof shows nothing to do with kde data files that I see :-(. |
| 20:03.05 | Kenjiro | ok, plasma working again |
| 20:03.12 | Kenjiro | I had to disable "debugfull" in kdelibs :( |
| 20:03.21 | Kenjiro | so... I won't be able to file decent bug reports ;( |
| 20:03.33 | Half-Left | build "Release" :) |
| 20:03.48 | K`zan | Ivo: I'm just going to do the usual, spent more time trying to avoid it than it would have taken to just do it on the new box. |
| 20:04.09 | K`zan | Thanks to everyone who tried to help, much appreciated. |
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| 20:04.45 | Kenjiro | Half-Left: what? |
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| 20:05.44 | Losowski | Hi! :-) Is it true...KDE 4.2 is going to rock? I heard it's awesome |
| 20:05.54 | Half-Left | Kenjiro: Build release mode for RC, I do :p |
| 20:05.56 | Kenjiro | Half-Left: I am dealing with KDE-4.1.96 (4.2RC) |
| 20:06.16 | Kenjiro | release mode? |
| 20:06.21 | Kenjiro | am I missing something? ;) |
| 20:06.22 | Ivo | yes, it's awesome |
| 20:06.26 | Half-Left | Losowski: We will all say yes in here ofcorse :) |
| 20:06.32 | Ivo | I read that it supports google gadgets |
| 20:06.40 | Ivo | and the new panel rocks |
| 20:06.48 | Half-Left | Kenjiro: Release mode is no debug and faster |
| 20:06.52 | Ivo | windows 7 stands no chance :D |
| 20:07.15 | Kenjiro | Half-Left: yes, but then I can't help you guys by reporting bugs (without the debugfull option) :( |
| 20:07.17 | oneforall | I haven't trie the newer kde4 yet. BUT does the panel(kicker) still not have right click? |
| 20:07.24 | Losowski | excellent! |
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| 20:07.32 | oneforall | tried* |
| 20:08.04 | Ivo | has anyone tried windows 7? |
| 20:08.13 | Half-Left | Kenjiro: Well it's RC, effectively out of testing, not so say bugs dont get fixed because they do |
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| 20:08.37 | Ivo | yes, it's in code freeze. Now the KDE team is only fixing bugs |
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| 20:09.09 | oneforall | ? |
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| 20:09.38 | Kenjiro | Ivo: well, that was my plan, report bugs so they get fixed |
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| 20:09.57 | Kenjiro | but... if I enable "debugfull" in kdelibs, plasma stops working for me :( |
| 20:10.19 | Ivo | is there any console output when you start plasma? |
| 20:10.23 | Ivo | this is strange... |
| 20:10.27 | oneforall | plus is more working for the classic menu and the panel widgets(last version I tried not all was ported over yet) |
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| 20:11.14 | Muzer | Where are the notes from the notes plasmoid stored? |
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| 20:11.32 | Ivo | try searching in ~/.kde ;) |
| 20:11.34 | Jucato | iirc, plasma-appletsrc |
| 20:11.43 | Ivo | it's 100 % there |
| 20:12.04 | Jucato | unless it's in ~/.kde4 :) |
| 20:12.08 | Jucato | (depends on distro) |
| 20:12.22 | Ivo | if you can't find anything, try cat-ing the file and grep-ing some string included in a note |
| 20:12.34 | Muzer | ah yes |
| 20:12.36 | Muzer | in .kde |
| 20:12.37 | Muzer | thanks |
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| 20:13.11 | yao_ziyuan | are there red, green versions of the oxygen icon theme? |
| 20:13.14 | Jucato | $KDEHOME/share/config/plasma-appletsrc |
| 20:13.18 | yao_ziyuan | particularly, red, green folder icons |
| 20:13.28 | Ivo | try searching in KDElooks ;) |
| 20:13.44 | _RedGhostBis_ | Howdy |
| 20:13.47 | yao_ziyuan | maybe icons should be made color-adaptable |
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| 20:14.02 | _RedGhostBis_ | I changed my KDE to French and then back to (British) English |
| 20:14.09 | Half-Left | yao_ziyuan: Yes there are |
| 20:14.22 | Jucato | yao_ziyuan: System Settings -> Appearance -> Icons -> Effects |
| 20:14.31 | Jucato | er Advanced |
| 20:14.34 | _RedGhostBis_ | but now vlc launches obstinately in French (from krunner) - and in English (from the command line) |
| 20:14.41 | _RedGhostBis_ | any idea of how I might change this? |
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| 20:15.11 | annma | did you restart plasma? |
| 20:15.24 | Half-Left | Oxygen has red, green, orange, purple and yellow folder icons |
| 20:15.27 | annma | _RedGhostBis_: or krunner |
| 20:15.46 | annma | kquitapp krunner and krunner & |
| 20:16.04 | Half-Left | And Cyan, brown, gray :p |
| 20:16.06 | _RedGhostBis_ | annma: I was more brutal (killall) but that worked too |
| 20:16.08 | _RedGhostBis_ | thanks :) |
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| 20:17.12 | _RedGhostBis_ | it was actually an experiment to see if having both French and English selected as languages in KDE would make Sonnet autodetect the language, but didn't seem to make any difference |
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| 20:17.50 | Ivo | how can you have them both? you can use only one language |
| 20:18.04 | Ivo | this is a problem of not full localization, I think |
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| 20:18.10 | annma | you have one plus a fallabck |
| 20:18.13 | scarabeus | guys, how do i switch from that fancyInPanelCopyDialog to something not that fancy? |
| 20:18.14 | annma | fallback |
| 20:18.30 | Ivo | default fallback is always english ;) |
| 20:18.34 | _RedGhostBis_ | Ivo: in regional and languages you can have more than one (but obviously you'll have one selected as the principal) |
| 20:18.34 | annma | no |
| 20:18.46 | annma | recently mine was Malayalam |
| 20:19.03 | Ivo | so KDE automaticly changes locale if the program doesn't support the language? |
| 20:19.06 | annma | so I had French and Malayalam |
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| 20:19.24 | annma | it fallbacks to the language you choose |
| 20:19.44 | annma | in systemsettings there is a list where you set languages you want to use |
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| 20:27.35 | comawhite | i have a problem I don't know if it's KDE4 per ce but when I hit logout or anything like that. The screen dims and thats it |
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| 20:28.20 | scarabeus | comawhite: dont cross ask ;] |
| 20:28.24 | aseigo | scarabeus: there's a "hidden setting" let me grab it fr you |
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| 20:28.41 | comawhite | scarabeus, sorry |
| 20:28.44 | scarabeus | aseigo: thanks :] |
| 20:29.11 | scarabeus | comawhite: well i thing that it should darken whle screen and show that timeout with button on action you chose before |
| 20:29.28 | aseigo | scarabeus: ok.. in plasma-appletsrc.. |
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| 20:30.02 | comawhite | scarabeus, it just dims and thats it no dialog or anything |
| 20:30.44 | comawhite | ill just ctrl + alt + back |
| 20:31.14 | comawhite | hmmm that doesn't do anything :S |
| 20:31.24 | scarabeus | aseigo: yep, which nice value i have to change there :] |
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| 20:32.42 | Ivo | edit xorg.conf to be able to restart X with ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 20:32.50 | aseigo | [AppletGlobals][plasma_applet_systemtray] |
| 20:32.52 | Ivo | google it |
| 20:33.01 | aseigo | ShowJobs=false |
| 20:33.07 | aseigo | ShowNotifications=false |
| 20:33.18 | aseigo | (one or both, depending on what you want) |
| 20:33.26 | aseigo | scarabeus: stop plasma first ... then do that.. then start it again |
| 20:33.50 | aseigo | just got a delivery to the door. repacement rock band 2 drums! |
| 20:33.52 | SSJ_GZ | aseigo: Would it be possible to write other Plasmoids to handle Jobs/ Notifications, or is it hard-coded into the systray? |
| 20:34.08 | aseigo | SSJ_GZ: no, there are dataengines for them |
| 20:34.14 | aseigo | SSJ_GZ: the systemtray uses the dataengines |
| 20:34.20 | aseigo | the dataengines use the system services |
| 20:34.31 | aseigo | so you can have as many funky widgets as you want, simultaneously even |
| 20:34.33 | SSJ_GZ | aseigo: Silly question, really - cool, as I hoped :) |
| 20:34.40 | scarabeus | aseigo: thanks, worked |
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| 20:34.57 | scarabeus | aseigo: could you write up some clickable way to it, or old dialog will be removed? |
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| 20:35.05 | aseigo | yes.. counterintuitively, Plasma is cool. you'd think it would be hot, which it is, but (with an additional whallop of oxymoronism) it's also cool |
| 20:35.21 | SSJ_GZ | has always been intrigued by the idea of a complete QtScript desktop that can be downloaded - taskbar, menus, notifier, etc |
| 20:35.30 | aseigo | scarabeus: yeah, that's a 4.3 thing. we'll be extending the config dialog for the system tray.. reeaaaaly easy to do though. |
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| 20:35.42 | aseigo | scarabeus: if you're a coder and would like to have a cute little way to contribute back.......... =) |
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| 20:37.04 | scarabeus | aseigo: well i am hopefuly contributing to kde already, at least gentoo people should know whom package their stuff ;D and we shall see how much free time i will have in next 6months :] |
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| 20:38.42 | Kenjiro | ok guys, I have to go |
| 20:38.48 | aseigo | scarabeus: ah, you're a packager.. coool! |
| 20:38.59 | Kenjiro | so... I have plasma working again, but can't report the kontact backtrace :( |
| 20:40.03 | scarabeus | :D |
| 20:40.23 | Ivo | packaging is a lot easier with cmake, is it? |
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| 20:41.12 | scarabeus | Ivo: hm, take look on our eclasses, we break your stuff :D |
| 20:41.13 | Ace2016_- | is there any way at all to custom group things in the taskbar so they minimise/raise together? |
| 20:41.20 | scarabeus | we tend to let user install what they want only |
| 20:41.26 | scarabeus | so we broke kdebase into separate packages |
| 20:41.34 | scarabeus | kde codebase |
| 20:42.00 | Ivo | yes, things like konqueror should be removed from kdebase :D |
| 20:42.21 | Sput | waves to scarabeus |
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| 20:42.35 | Jucato | thinks "broke" is the appropriate term :) |
| 20:42.38 | scarabeus | hello there ;] |
| 20:42.51 | scarabeus | actualy it works |
| 20:43.02 | scarabeus | it works much better thanks to our kmsave and kmload libs |
| 20:43.14 | scarabeus | so we actualy have list of libs where needed :] |
| 20:43.23 | Sput | ah yes, I managed to compile all ~230 trunk packages today without a single failure |
| 20:43.24 | scarabeus | which actual build system wont tell ya |
| 20:43.31 | scarabeus | Sput: impresive |
| 20:43.40 | scarabeus | but there is about 10 missing packages so far |
| 20:43.45 | scarabeus | so they need ebuilds :] |
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| 20:44.23 | Ivo | I should look at the KDE 4 slackbuilds |
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| 20:48.00 | spawn | hi im using sabayon 3.5 dvd gnome i cant start ndiswrapper or find it after installing it threw the spriz package manager |
| 20:48.13 | Ivo | this must be offtopic |
| 20:48.26 | Ivo | but you must tell what the error says |
| 20:48.49 | Jason_CO | im hitting a bit of a problem with kalarm -- if i set it to go off at 4 am - and it does and i select defer and tell it to give me 15 minutes -- it does not alarm after 15 minutes - -MOST ANNOYING |
| 20:49.05 | spawn | i cant start/find the program to tell you what the error might be |
| 20:49.26 | Ivo | what's the difference between kdebase-workspace and kdebase |
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| 20:52.52 | pinotree | spawn: you should ask in #sabayon |
| 20:54.03 | microslop | Hm, i cant get anti-asliasing in my KDE |
| 20:54.18 | microslop | Whats wrong? Meybe i should edit something in xorg.conf? |
| 20:54.46 | Ivo | yes, are you using a NVIDIA video card? |
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| 20:55.03 | microslop | yes |
| 20:55.08 | Ivo | if you are, install the drivers fron distribution packages or installable drivers and run nvidia-xconfig |
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| 20:55.23 | Ivo | if you already have the drivers, this is a very strange problem |
| 20:55.30 | microslop | o_o |
| 20:55.33 | Ivo | try with plain X with some app |
| 20:55.48 | Ivo | but I think anti-alising does not depend on KDE |
| 20:56.16 | microslop | I tried start my KDE from GDM, but this hasnt anti too |
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| 20:56.28 | microslop | or haven't, i dont know :P |
| 20:57.05 | Ivo | so it's xorg |
| 20:57.12 | microslop | Hmm |
| 20:57.17 | Ivo | do you have nvidia drivers enabled? |
| 20:57.22 | microslop | Yes |
| 20:57.30 | Ivo | if you do, try using the default configuration file (depends on the distro) |
| 20:57.31 | microslop | Ive got GF 7800GT |
| 20:57.40 | microslop | And also the newest stable drivers 180 |
| 20:57.49 | Ivo | are you sure. try typing "glxinfo | grep direct" |
| 20:58.00 | microslop | Yes, ive got acceleration |
| 20:58.15 | Ivo | so.. try backuping xorg.conf and using the default one |
| 20:58.15 | microslop | And KDE working with composite effects |
| 20:58.23 | Ivo | strange.... |
| 20:58.28 | Ivo | is the problem only font-related |
| 20:58.37 | microslop | Yes |
| 20:58.52 | cccharles | microslop: does this affect all fonts or just a few? I think some fonts don't anti-alias well. |
| 20:58.54 | Ivo | go try in #xorg (if there is such channel) |
| 20:58.56 | microslop | Today i installed distro, Xorg and Fluxbox, perhaps this is problem |
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| 20:59.20 | microslop | Now i try install xfce4 with dependencies |
| 20:59.30 | Ivo | which distro are you using? |
| 20:59.45 | microslop | Ivo: i asked there |
| 20:59.49 | microslop | Arch Linux |
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| 21:00.32 | Ivo | fonts problem.. |
| 21:00.36 | Ivo | so google it now... |
| 21:00.59 | Ivo | or is this problem appearing in GTK+ apps or only in Qt apps? |
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| 21:03.23 | sputnick | heh, nice, there's a clean way to install wlasistant (qt3) in kde4 : "wget "http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/wlassistant/wlassistant_0.5.7-2_i386.deb"; dpkg --ignore-depends=kicker -i wlassistant_0.5.7-2_i386.deb" |
| 21:03.34 | sputnick | (hi guys) |
| 21:03.40 | Ivo | which distro are you running? |
| 21:03.45 | sputnick | debian |
| 21:03.48 | sputnick | lenny |
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| 21:03.50 | Ivo | no idea... |
| 21:04.08 | Ivo | try searching the repository for qt3 packages that work when qt4 is installed |
| 21:04.30 | Ivo | I mean that all the things from their bin directories are in /opt/qt3/bin ;) |
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| 21:05.19 | microslop | Ivo: hm, after installation of Xfce this is working fine |
| 21:05.41 | Ivo | so the problem is Qt only ;) |
| 21:05.45 | Ivo | try running a qt app :D |
| 21:05.48 | microslop | And fonts are antialiased, but free spaces in fonts looks bad o_o |
| 21:06.06 | Ivo | oh, just a bit gtk settings tweaking.. |
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| 21:07.30 | microslop | Can you send me you fonts seetings from KDE seetings panel? |
| 21:08.13 | microslop | your |
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| 21:08.37 | Ivo | a second.. |
| 21:08.45 | Ivo | main font: |
| 21:08.49 | Ivo | sans serif 10 |
| 21:09.04 | microslop | Please wait moment |
| 21:09.12 | microslop | http://localh0st.ma.ciasny.net/pliki/fontsinmykde.png |
| 21:09.16 | Ivo | the second one (mine is in bulgarian): monospace 10 |
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| 21:10.00 | microslop | Its look terrible o_O |
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| 21:10.18 | Ivo | mine's anti-alising is "on" |
| 21:10.32 | Ivo | not system settings, but "on", or "enabled" (I don't have english menu) |
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| 21:10.42 | microslop | Ivo: Enabled |
| 21:11.00 | microslop | Can you can me you screenshot from confgiuration of anti-aliasing? |
| 21:11.09 | Ivo | and the desktop one is "Dejavu 9" |
| 21:11.10 | Ivo | yes, second |
| 21:11.13 | Dumble | try using DejaVu fonts for example instead of those defaults which looks hugly |
| 21:11.16 | microslop | Thanks You |
| 21:11.17 | kendrick | ok, i'm using Kubuntu 8.10 w/ KDE 4.1.2. The File->Open Recent in Kate never has any files. |
| 21:11.19 | Ace2016_- | anyone know how to stop the download manager intercepting urls? send http:// to the browser without a downloading dialogue popping up in the middle? |
| 21:11.20 | kendrick | Do i need to... turn something on? |
| 21:11.28 | Dumble | and activate anti aliasing and restart KDE |
| 21:11.29 | kendrick | is it a KDE-level thing, or a Kate-level thing? |
| 21:12.17 | sredna | kendrick: a kate-level thing |
| 21:12.36 | kendrick | i poked around and didn't notice any kind of 'keep [nnn] history' option |
| 21:12.41 | Ace2016_- | isn't anti-aliasing related to xorg? |
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| 21:13.13 | Ace2016_- | i say it because in xgl i used to get terrible font rendering, but in plain X i got excellent font rendering |
| 21:13.17 | Ivo | http://linvo.org/screenie.png |
| 21:13.26 | microslop | Ace2016_-: i dont know |
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| 21:14.59 | microslop | Ivo: thank you, but you send me not exactly what i mean :P |
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| 21:15.18 | PeterFA | KDE's motto should be changed to, "Hacking, this time, with style!" |
| 21:15.35 | Ivo | what do you want to know? :P |
| 21:15.46 | microslop | Next of "Use anti-aliasing" "Enabled" is key "Configure" |
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| 21:15.50 | kendrick | it's not "Remember Locations", cuz that's set to 9 |
| 21:16.02 | microslop | And there are seetings of anti-aliasing level |
| 21:16.18 | microslop | settings |
| 21:16.20 | praedor | Somewhere during the last couple weeks of Mandriva updates, I've lost any window graphics or lists in Amarok 2.0. Is there a display bug with the latest Amarok version? |
| 21:16.20 | microslop | :< |
| 21:16.45 | praedor | I can't see anything but a blank grey field and at the top, the play controls. That's it. |
| 21:16.51 | Ivo | reload now.. I've updated the screenshot |
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| 21:17.53 | Ivo | http://linvo.org/screenie.png ;) |
| 21:18.24 | Ace2016_- | microslop: can i see your /etc/X11/xorg.conf? just wondering what font paths have been set, pastebin it |
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| 21:19.03 | microslop | omfg, Ivo Thank You! |
| 21:19.03 | Ivo | Ace2016_-: I think his problem is Qt-related ;) |
| 21:19.10 | Ivo | no problem :) |
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| 21:19.14 | kendrick | huh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesdk/+bug/41651 |
| 21:19.15 | kendrick | looks like there's a bug :( |
| 21:19.17 | kendrick | oh well |
| 21:19.18 | microslop | It working now, wonderful view |
| 21:19.29 | microslop | I spend on it some hours :P |
| 21:19.49 | Ivo | I wonder how did you managed to screw this setting up :P |
| 21:20.23 | prkos | Can I get help here with KOrganizer or is there a different channel for it? |
| 21:20.31 | Ivo | if you screw up something again, make sure that you have tried to move your kde settings and see what will happen |
| 21:20.43 | Ivo | like this: mv ~/.kde kde-backup |
| 21:20.46 | Ivo | and then restart kde |
| 21:20.50 | sputnick | prkos: dopn't ask to ask ;) |
| 21:21.00 | Jucato | prkos: you can ask in here |
| 21:21.01 | microslop | I just installed xfce4, next i configured X by nvidia-xconfig |
| 21:21.10 | Ivo | strange.. |
| 21:21.14 | microslop | And after that i set options like your :P |
| 21:22.04 | Ivo | mine are default :D |
| 21:22.37 | microslop | Mhm :) |
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| 21:23.06 | Ivo | oh, you're running KDE 4.2 RC |
| 21:23.12 | microslop | Yes |
| 21:23.13 | Ivo | are you? |
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| 21:23.16 | Ivo | cool |
| 21:23.22 | Ivo | from packages? |
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| 21:23.26 | Ivo | or you have compiled it? |
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| 21:23.46 | prkos | ok thanks, I just installed ubuntu and Korganizer, I used to be on fedora. I exported my calendar into iCalendar on fedora and now imported it to ubuntu, but the times are off, seems like it's a new feature, there is an option next to time and all are set to UTC, not my time zone. How can import it without everything being converted to UTC? |
| 21:23.53 | microslop | Its in testing repo |
| 21:23.59 | microslop | 4.1.96-1 |
| 21:24.18 | Ivo | that is a good advantage of debian :D |
| 21:24.25 | microslop | :D |
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| 21:26.18 | Ivo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7#Windows_Explorer look at the "library" feature |
| 21:26.25 | Ivo | do you think that that belongs to KDE? |
| 21:26.36 | Ivo | if it has to implemented in GNU/Linux |
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| 21:27.55 | microslop | Ivo: how old are you? |
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| 21:28.13 | Ivo | 14 |
| 21:28.45 | microslop | ;) |
| 21:28.50 | Ivo | you? |
| 21:29.02 | microslop | 17 |
| 21:29.30 | Ivo | :) |
| 21:29.55 | Ivo | and how did you get interested in Linux? |
| 21:30.06 | microslop | 3 years ago |
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| 21:30.19 | Jucato | offtopic --> #kde-chat (yes that includes windows 7 discussions) |
| 21:30.39 | microslop | And how.. hmm. i just read about 'him' :D |
| 21:30.49 | microslop | Mhm :D |
| 21:30.57 | Ivo | I've got interested a year ago, when I was searching for a stable alternative of Windows. I had a nasty virus |
| 21:31.18 | Ivo | we should stop offtopicing |
| 21:32.02 | Jucato | or continue it in #kde-chat |
| 21:32.17 | Jucato | no one will stop you there (as long as you behave) |
| 21:32.36 | Ivo | no, just private chatting ;) |
| 21:34.04 | Jucato | that works too :) |
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| 21:36.44 | mluser-work | Does anyone know if there is a kooka replacement in kde 4.2 yet? |
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| 21:38.27 | Jucato | mluser-work: skanlite. but apps that need scanning use the ksaneplugin so there's not much need for kooka |
| 21:38.45 | mluser-work | Jucato: thanks |
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| 21:39.46 | tyler_d1 | I would like to change my taskbar so that only apps on that desktop show on the taskbar |
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| 21:40.03 | tyler_d1 | as well I would like to know how to move open apps from desktop to desktop using the keyboard? |
| 21:40.05 | tyler_d1 | please? |
| 21:40.55 | LameBMX | hello, This is probably just a setting I cannot find. Text has disappeared. taskbar has tabs for firefox and xchat at the moment, but i cannot read what is in the tabs. |
| 21:41.14 | LameBMX | i click on add widget, and the text in there is not showing up either |
| 21:41.28 | Jucato | tyler_d1: one at a time. 1st one: right-click on an empty space in the task manager (maybe in between apps) and select Task Manager Settings |
| 21:41.38 | LameBMX | first install kde4 on gentoo, i was previously using gnome on here |
| 21:42.00 | tyler_d1 | Jucato: done that, ty |
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| 21:42.14 | Jucato | tyler_d1: 2nd: Alt+F3 -> Desktop -> Desktop #... or you can set up keyboard shortcuts to move them (System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> COmponent: KWin) |
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| 21:43.27 | tyler_d1 | Jucato: tyvm thats excellent |
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| 21:48.07 | LameBMX | oh yea .. kde 4.1.3 btw |
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| 22:02.32 | LameBMX | hmmmm no help on why text is not legible someplaces and not others? |
| 22:02.49 | LameBMX | oh yea .. kde 4.1.3 btw |
| 22:02.59 | LameBMX | hello, This is probably just a setting I cannot find. Text has disappeared. taskbar has tabs for firefox and xchat at the moment, but i cannot read what is in the tabs. |
| 22:03.04 | LameBMX | first install kde4 on gentoo, i was previously using gnome on here |
| 22:03.11 | LameBMX | i click on add widget, and the text in there is not showing up either |
| 22:04.14 | Half-Left | text anywhere? |
| 22:04.52 | LameBMX | no not anywhere .. i can read xchat fine |
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| 22:05.04 | LameBMX | it all looks good, but the taskbar tab says nothing |
| 22:05.09 | Half-Left | Maybe your missing a font that default KDE uses |
| 22:05.10 | LameBMX | same with firefox |
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| 22:05.47 | LameBMX | only has sans serif and monospace listed |
| 22:06.23 | Half-Left | Your missing some default xorg fonts then |
| 22:06.31 | Half-Left | or something like that |
| 22:07.31 | Half-Left | You should ask #gentoo about installing common system fonts |
| 22:07.36 | tyler_d1 | Jucato: do I need to reload after making those changes? or should they take effect right away ? |
| 22:08.41 | Jucato | tyler_d1: should take effect |
| 22:09.01 | tyler_d1 | Jucato: it has not |
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| 22:10.07 | LameBMX | xorg has no complaints about missing fonts |
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| 22:12.07 | Half-Left | Well I suggest installing some font pack thats common to your distro or they recommend if you haven't already |
| 22:12.26 | robbmunson | brb |
| 22:12.35 | LameBMX | its done already |
| 22:13.14 | Half-Left | Well if you have the fonts and it's not showing that thats very weird |
| 22:13.29 | LameBMX | yea its either sans serif or monospace |
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| 22:14.20 | LameBMX | well at least system setting - appearance - fonts only shows those two being used |
| 22:14.31 | Half-Left | can you actually see the fonts in the font settings |
| 22:14.39 | LameBMX | yeppers |
| 22:15.14 | Half-Left | Right, so I assuming your missing fonts or some bug with your gentoo packages |
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| 22:22.19 | _Phlogi | in kmail I can disable the tooltips for the emails itself but not for the folder view... is that true or where is the option? |
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| 22:31.44 | animeloe | I'm getting "An error occured while accessing $VOUMEm the system responded: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.UnknownFailure: IsCallerPrivileged() failed" |
| 22:31.47 | animeloe | any idea |
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| 22:31.49 | _RedGhostBis_ | 134MB of memory for plasma? |
| 22:31.51 | _RedGhostBis_ | ouch |
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| 22:34.44 | animeloe | I'm guessing it requires root, but is there a way to do this without HAVING root privilages? |
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| 22:36.08 | rohanpm | animeloe: tell us what "this" is |
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| 22:36.40 | testawe | Hi |
| 22:36.45 | animeloe | mount a removable device as user |
| 22:37.40 | Jucato | that depends on your distro's hal/udev setup |
| 22:37.53 | LameBMX | yea ... have root add you to plugdev |
| 22:38.10 | animeloe | uhh self compile |
| 22:38.21 | animeloe | I built the whole thing from scratch |
| 22:39.02 | Half-Left | _RedGhostBis_: Nice leak somehwere :p |
| 22:39.03 | Jucato | animeloe: even hal/dbus/udev? |
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| 22:39.16 | animeloe | yup |
| 22:39.21 | animeloe | everything was compiled from scratch |
| 22:39.23 | animeloe | CLFS |
| 22:39.24 | _RedGhostBis_ | Half-Left: I removed one of my activities, down to 117M |
| 22:39.30 | _RedGhostBis_ | but still, ugh |
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| 22:39.42 | Half-Left | _RedGhostBis_: Shoudl only be about 20mb |
| 22:39.48 | Half-Left | should* |
| 22:39.50 | Jucato | animeloe: ok then. "that depends on your hal/udev setup" |
| 22:40.02 | _RedGhostBis_ | Half-Left: yeah, that's what it was nice time I looked at it... |
| 22:40.10 | animeloe | so it's completely dependant on hal/udev |
| 22:40.38 | Jucato | animeloe: hal/udev/d-bus. yeah. that's what KDE uses for that kind of thing |
| 22:40.39 | _RedGhostBis_ | I'm trying to remove my widgets one by one in case one of them is making plasma leak (also known as the "Firefox add-on effect") |
| 22:40.52 | Half-Left | _RedGhostBis_: Nvidia driver? |
| 22:40.54 | animeloe | okay so it's time to play with hal |
| 22:40.55 | animeloe | woohoo |
| 22:40.59 | _RedGhostBis_ | Half-Left: yep |
| 22:41.08 | Half-Left | What version |
| 22:41.10 | Half-Left | ? |
| 22:41.12 | junkDawgie | writes that one down, Firefox slowdown effect |
| 22:41.29 | Jucato | animeloe: like what LameBMX suggested, plugdev group, or see hal.conf, etc |
| 22:42.01 | _RedGhostBis_ | Half-Left: 180.22 |
| 22:42.06 | Half-Left | hmm |
| 22:43.18 | LameBMX | groups should list available groups ... and past that i just edit them manually |
| 22:44.01 | Jucato | oh there's not hal.conf.. but anyway |
| 22:44.18 | Jucato | udev rules :) |
| 22:44.29 | Jucato | er.. udev *.rules |
| 22:45.02 | _RedGhostBis_ | Half-Left: removing everything but the task bar and one activity leaves me with 111MB |
| 22:45.03 | animeloe | notes that hal.conf seems to point to /dev/null |
| 22:45.15 | animeloe | or should I say hal.conf is located at /dev/nul :) |
| 22:46.12 | Half-Left | _RedGhostBis_: Sounds like nvidia memory leak, I used to have it in 180.12 |
| 22:46.39 | _RedGhostBis_ | sounds like it's back with a vengeance |
| 22:46.54 | _RedGhostBis_ | too bad, it's the first time the cube effect was fast and snappy |
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| 22:47.54 | _RedGhostBis_ | stupid question, but how do I get my panel back? |
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| 22:48.33 | Half-Left | had* |
| 22:49.04 | _RedGhostBis_ | hm, add panel, of course |
| 22:49.05 | _RedGhostBis_ | sigh |
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| 22:59.47 | codygo | so no fix yet for kde4 keybindings? |
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| 23:00.07 | penguian | hello |
| 23:01.58 | _RedGhostBis_ | would be nice to have tooltips in the folder view |
| 23:03.19 | penguian | has anyone used KDE 4.2 rc1 yet? |
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| 23:11.40 | tahux | Hello everybody |
| 23:13.07 | penguian | hello tahux |
| 23:17.53 | penguian | not many on this chan, im on #suse |
| 23:17.59 | penguian | bye for now |
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| 23:23.37 | SyntaxRebel | i cannot compile kde-3.5.10 it has issues with my kernel headers |
| 23:23.39 | SyntaxRebel | /usr/local/include/asm-generic/fcntl.h:117: error: redefinition of 'struct flock' |
| 23:24.32 | SyntaxRebel | http://pastie.org/362931 |
| 23:26.31 | SyntaxRebel | ah no worries |
| 23:26.42 | SyntaxRebel | i think ive seen what might be the problem |
| 23:27.45 | Ace2016_- | why does kde-3.5.10 need kernel headers? |
| 23:28.15 | Ace2016_- | i mean i upgrade my kernel all the time without kde being updated so why would it have issues with the kernel? |
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| 23:29.19 | PeterFA | How do I make a menu item that runs "screen ssh -XY user@place gkrellm" pops up with the password, and when the password is successful, draws the window as expected? |
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| 23:32.00 | Ace2016_- | PeterFA: make the item that runs that and then set the setuid bit on it? |
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| 23:32.28 | rmh3093 | is there a kde calculator app |
| 23:32.30 | rmh3093 | ? |
| 23:32.48 | Ace2016_- | kde |
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| 23:33.00 | Ace2016_- | i need to search for it, i can't spell it |
| 23:33.02 | tahux | HI |
| 23:33.26 | Ace2016_- | rmh3093: kcalc |
| 23:34.05 | Ace2016_- | not sure if it was kcalc, kalc kalk |
| 23:34.13 | Ace2016_- | tahux: hi |
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| 23:36.06 | PeterFA | Ace2016_-, kcalc |
| 23:36.33 | PeterFA | Ace2016_-, the password has to go into ssh when it request the password from std. |
| 23:37.02 | PeterFA | Ace2016_-, that's the only part that I'm uncertain about. |
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| 23:38.25 | Jucato | rmh3093, Ace2016_-: kcalc is correct |
| 23:39.23 | Ace2016_- | yea i opened synaptic and did a search, and said kcalc then said i wasn't sure about which one i was |
| 23:39.31 | Ace2016_- | no wait |
| 23:39.41 | Ace2016_- | not sure about its name* |
| 23:40.06 | Jucato | Ace2016_-: there's another you? O.o |
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