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`00:02.57`	`xbullethammer`	`hi!`
`00:03.03`	`piolinjazz_`	`hi`
`00:03.07`	`piolinjazz_`	`how are you`
`00:03.22`	`piolinjazz_`	whats` your problem
`00:03.28`	`xbullethammer`	`I can't install java-scripted plasmoid`
`00:03.36`	`xbullethammer`	`*plasmoids`
`00:03.39`	`piolinjazz_`	`sorry`
`00:03.54`	`piolinjazz_`	`speak spanis`
`00:03.54`	`xbullethammer`	`I'm on kde4.2`
`00:04.33`	`piolinjazz_`	`hey man speak spanish`
`00:04.40`	`piolinjazz_`	`or englihs`
`00:04.44`	`xbullethammer`	`why?`
`00:05.41`	`piolinjazz_`	`hey camon in private`
`00:05.46`	`piolinjazz_`	`now plis`
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`00:33.36`	`Squidy`	`Hello.. Is there a way to make a plasmoid using a bash script?`
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`00:40.59`	`alid`	`Is there any ways to force kde to use smaller fonts for menus, windows, etc?`
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`00:41.55`	`ewet`	`hi, is it possible to reduce the window bar to a single line no matter how high the control bar is? (kde 3.5)`
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`00:49.43`	`piolinjazz__`	`necesito instalar el flas en fedora 10 y no lo logro hacer`
`00:49.49`	`piolinjazz__`	`kien me puede ayudar`
`00:52.31`	`ewet`	`no ideas?`
`00:56.49`	`piolinjazz__`	`???????????`
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`00:57.12`	`piolinjazz__`	`yapos kabros pegenme un ayudaita po`
`00:57.25`	`piolinjazz__`	`necesito instalar el flas en fedora 10 y no lo logro hacer`
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`01:26.18`	`mefistofeles`	`hey`
`01:26.31`	`mefistofeles`	`why is this nepomuk consuming my CPU all the time, is this normal?`
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`01:27.11`	`GraveDigger`	`yeeehaaaa!!!! kopete shows a message, i click on "view", and plasma crashes`
`01:27.17`	`GraveDigger`	`hooray for kde4.2 \o/`
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`01:27.32`	`mefistofeles`	`hooray for grave digger... excalibur rulz!`
`01:28.00`	`mefistofeles`	`I dont use kopete, though`
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`01:43.36`	`gr1m-lap`	`sometimes I wonder if the linux flash devs are consciously trying to make flash fail in konqueror :/`
`01:44.39`	`derek_k`	`mefistofeles: first run of kde4.2? it will index everything then settle down. you can turn it off in system-settings`
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`01:46.07`	`GraveDigger`	`gr1m-lap: applies to opera as well`
`01:46.20`	`GraveDigger`	`maybe not that hard, but basically...`
`01:46.50`	`mefistofeles`	`derek_k, what is the advantage of using it other than commenting/taggin on dolhpin?`
`01:47.23`	`derek_k`	`mefistofeles: not much yet`
`01:47.42`	`mefistofeles`	`derek_k, would you recommend to leave it on or off?`
`01:47.45`	`gr1m-lap`	`GraveDigger: I had it working for a few minutes`
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`01:47.56`	`gr1m-lap`	`GraveDigger: no it just fails... nof lash works at all anymore`
`01:47.57`	`gr1m-lap`	`annoying`
`01:48.15`	`derek_k`	`mefistofeles: up to you. if your machine is responsive with it running, I'd leave it`
`01:48.22`	`mefistofeles`	`derek_k, ok thanks`
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`02:45.33`	`dvoideee`	`does anyone know if theres any program launcher exxtender.thingy wich replaces a normal launch icon with something that also tracks running processes of that application?`
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`03:13.41`	`Raylz`	`when will konqueror finally support flash?`
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`03:15.36`	`piolinjazz__`	`flash for video`
`03:16.15`	`piolinjazz__`	`fire fox`
`03:16.18`	`piolinjazz__`	`?`
`03:17.09`	`piolinjazz__`	`raylz`
`03:17.45`	`Raylz`	`piolinjazz__: normal youtube usage`
`03:18.15`	`piolinjazz__`	`your speak spanish`
`03:19.22`	`Raylz`	`piolinjazz__: mostly videos`
`03:20.03`	`piolinjazz__`	`hablas espaÃ±ol`
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`03:20.22`	`piolinjazz__`	`k necesitas de flahs`
`03:20.24`	`Raylz`	`piolinjazz__: german`
`03:20.29`	`piolinjazz__`	`mmm`
`03:20.36`	`piolinjazz__`	`ok`
`03:20.52`	`zc00gii`	`ehm, weird to say this, but never new KDE had so many applications that well, rock`
`03:20.58`	`zc00gii`	`knew*`
`03:21.10`	`piolinjazz__`	`your install flahs for fire fox`
`03:21.15`	`drantin`	`amarok rocks :D`
`03:21.23`	`zc00gii`	`drantin: indeed`
`03:21.28`	`Raylz`	`so i just heard that khtml has problems with flash`
`03:21.39`	`piolinjazz__`	`aa`
`03:21.40`	`zc00gii`	`everything works great except for konqueror ;p`
`03:21.40`	`piolinjazz__`	`ok`
`03:21.42`	`Raylz`	`are there any webkit versions of konqueror out there?`
`03:21.43`	`piolinjazz__`	`moment`
`03:21.44`	`zc00gii`	`too slow for me`
`03:21.44`	`piolinjazz__`	`plis`
`03:23.09`	`piolinjazz__`	`raylz`
`03:23.17`	`piolinjazz__`	`enter`
`03:23.20`	`piolinjazz__`	`http://easylifeproject.org/`
`03:24.13`	`Raylz`	`piolinjazz__: my flashplayer is already installed :)`
`03:24.17`	`Raylz`	`it works fine with firefox`
`03:24.24`	`piolinjazz__`	`ok`
`03:24.34`	`piolinjazz__`	`ok`
`03:24.58`	`piolinjazz__`	`how install aircrak`
`03:25.34`	`Raylz`	`piolinjazz__: haha, lil hacker :)`
`03:26.08`	`Raylz`	`piolinjazz__: youre using fedora?`
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`03:27.42`	`piolinjazz__`	`yes`
`03:28.00`	`piolinjazz__`	`and ubuntu`
`03:28.09`	`piolinjazz__`	`fedora and ubuntu`
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`03:33.54`	`Raylz`	`piolinjazz__: in gentoo the package is called aircrack-ng`
`03:34.14`	`Raylz`	`piolinjazz__: try yum install aircrack-ng or sudo aptitude install aircrack-ng`
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`04:00.53`	`fawx`	`hello`
`04:01.15`	`fawx`	`Your desktop environment is not preffered over Awesome Window Manager by me.`
`04:03.55`	`aslhk`	`I respond to your trolling with fury and intensity`
`04:04.10`	`fawx`	`aslhk: Thank you`
`04:04.29`	`aslhk`	`fawx: always willing to help!`
`04:04.50`	`fawx`	`I love this channel. * sits back`
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`04:08.19`	`ryann`	`for some reason, in kde 4, some applications are missing their window title bar`
`04:08.30`	`fawx`	`So how do you do that?`
`04:08.41`	`fawx`	`Oh, hi`
`04:08.47`	`fawx`	`You're the song quote guy!`
`04:09.17`	`fawx`	`What is up?`
`04:09.59`	`drantin`	`extends an invitation to #kde-chat , as this channel is for support`
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`04:10.14`	`fawx`	`Sorry`
`04:10.51`	`drantin`	`that was mildly entertaining`
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`04:12.13`	`ryann`	`any ideas as to what may cause this behavior?`
`04:12.33`	`ryann`	`krdc does it the most, and my only resolution is to remove the application with apt, remove the config files, and reinstall`
`04:13.00`	`drantin`	`any particular theme it happens with?`
`04:13.06`	`drantin`	`or all of them?`
`04:13.36`	`ryann`	`haven't tried another theme, but this is the theme i always use`
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`04:13.38`	`ryann`	`Oxygen`
`04:13.43`	`ryann`	`and i haven't changed anything`
`04:13.51`	`ryann`	`infact, i really can't relate the problem to any recent change`
`04:14.20`	`fawx`	`What apps`
`04:14.40`	`drantin`	`perhaps an entry somewhere in ~/.kde became corrupt recently?`
`04:15.01`	`ryann`	`but why then would krdc be fine on a fresh install`
`04:15.12`	`ryann`	`but then after a few uses, it's up to the same thing`
`04:15.16`	`ryann`	`fullscreen with no title bar`
`04:15.22`	`ryann`	`but not fullscreen mode.`
`04:15.28`	`ryann`	`(hope that makes sense)`
`04:15.38`	`drantin`	`is kwin crashing?`
`04:15.53`	`ryann`	`nope`
`04:16.15`	`drantin`	`so it's just one app, and not all open apps at a time?`
`04:16.24`	`drantin`	`and closing the app and restarting it doesn't fix it?`
`04:17.12`	`fawx`	`ryann: Wait, could you rephrase the fullscreen part?`
`04:17.30`	`ryann`	`fawx, sure. some apps, like krdc, have a fullscreen feature`
`04:18.00`	`ryann`	`which go fullscreen, no title bar`
`04:18.07`	`ryann`	`but this problem happens outside of that mode`
`04:18.21`	`drantin`	`can you screenshot it?`
`04:18.35`	`drantin`	`and paste it somewhere like omploader or something?`
`04:18.37`	`ryann`	`sure`
`04:18.49`	`ryann`	`let me restore my themes`
`04:18.59`	`ryann`	`i was trying some alternates to try and troubleshoot`
`04:19.19`	`fawx`	`ryann: If it's what I think it is, Firefox did that when I used to use GNOME, it would randomly go fullscreen and then I would have to hit F11, which was Firefox's fullscreen key.`
`04:19.21`	`drantin`	`because it really sounds like a kwin crash, unless it's only happening to one app, and not all open apps...`
`04:19.34`	`ryann`	`it's just one app`
`04:19.39`	`ryann`	`it used to just be krdc`
`04:19.50`	`ryann`	`and then i noticed today that greenview does it too`
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`04:21.35`	`fawx`	`of topic drantin: How long have ge445 and anake been going at it?`
`04:21.37`	`fawx`	`*off`
`04:21.54`	`drantin`	`hours?`
`04:22.26`	`fawx`	`yeah`
`04:23.27`	`drantin`	`at least 2 from my logs`
`04:23.45`	`fawx`	`drantin: It's been longer than that`
`04:24.07`	`drantin`	`I don't particularly care`
`04:24.17`	`fawx`	`Anyways, does KDE have any plans to slim down the plasma stuff?`
`04:24.36`	`fawx`	`Or make it faster`
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`04:32.14`	`ryann`	`sorry about that`
`04:32.15`	`ryann`	`http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fullscreenssid6.png`
`04:32.34`	`ryann`	`too many theme changes i guess.. x (or something else) locked up`
`04:33.03`	`ryann`	`there's a screenshot of krdc without the titlebar`
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`04:53.54`	`piolinjazz__`	`what is`
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`05:56.27`	`nikki93`	`Hey guys!`
`05:57.01`	`nikki93`	`I don't use kde, just a simple window manager (dwm), but I'd like to use kdenlive. However, it doesn't have any icons. I'm guessing I don't have KDE icons installed. Is that the problem?`
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`06:12.48`	`ikrabbe`	`Hi, my root partition runs full, after I let nepomuk index some of my files. I`
`06:13.45`	`ikrabbe`	`had about 4G free space. But know I have only 210M free, while strigiclient tells me the index would take only 650M. Where is the space ?`
`06:21.09`	`ikrabbe`	`hmm I found it`
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`06:41.24`	`chakie_work`	`what to do when some app has grabbed the mouse and refuses to let it go? i have no idea what app...`
`06:41.32`	`chakie_work`	`happens far too often with kde4`
`06:42.09`	`chakie_work`	`usually it leads to a forced cold reboot unless you can somehow find the app and kill it nicely so that it releases the grab`
`06:42.14`	`chakie_work`	`fscking annoying`
`06:44.37`	`chakie_work`	`oh well, the lock hasn't been released since last thursday`
`06:44.41`	`chakie_work`	`crap`
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`06:48.32`	`chakie_work`	`oh, fucking great`
`06:48.43`	`chakie_work`	`kde restored the mouse grab after a restart`
`06:48.56`	`chakie_work`	`yeah, that was what i wanted saved in my session`
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`06:49.37`	`chakie_work`	`i even ctrl-alt-backspace killed my session as there wasn't any sane way to get to the menu, so nothing should have been saved in the session`
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`06:54.46`	`chakie_work`	`lets see, another reboot`
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`07:00.21`	`linleno`	`I've been here for several times, but I still cannot get the answer about problem that KDM activates im(input method) program/modul as root before normal user's login.`
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`07:24.24`	`chakie_work`	`wtf, konqueror has "taken" a banner ad from another page and made it into a floating ad on my personal homepage that i have open in another tab`
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`07:25.16`	`chakie_work`	`ah, it also steals all the mouse events for that tab, so i can't interact with my own stuff`
`07:25.20`	`chakie_work`	`great, great...`
`07:25.38`	`chakie_work`	`seems i stumble on a lot of new bugs this morning`
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`07:42.36`	`Dumble`	`Hello world !`
`07:45.43`	`Shirakawasuna`	`hello, Dumble`
`07:46.04`	`Shirakawasuna`	`using kde 4.2.0, I seem to have lost (if I ever had it) the ability to update favicons properly`
`07:46.14`	`Shirakawasuna`	`sometimes I can load the page and it will find + remember the favicons`
`07:46.35`	`Shirakawasuna`	`but if I open up the bookmark editor and tell it to update all of them, or even just one of them, it does nothing`
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`08:00.37`	`Denn`	`where is directory for winow decorations in KDE4?`
`08:01.06`	`chakie_work`	`hm, dolphin shows wrong size information for usb memory sticks. i'm pretty sure i don't have 120G free on my 1G memory stick`
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`08:04.33`	`thiago_home`	`chakie_work: that would seem correct, yes`
`08:05.25`	`chakie_work`	`some changing back and forth between the two windows in dolphin does bring up the real value of ~900M`
`08:05.45`	`chakie_work`	`so it's there, the widget just doesn't seem to be updated at the right time`
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`08:15.09`	`robin0800`	`if you set mouse to double click, this only applies to files and folders icons and web links are stiil single click I would like all double click is this worth a feature request?`
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`08:20.27`	`smorg`	`what backend does ark need to handle 7z?`
`08:21.06`	`drantin`	`if it does it at all, p7zip is the only one I know of...`
`08:21.59`	`smorg`	`I know theres one other besides that one, but yes the manual mentions 7zip so i'll give p7zip a try.`
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`08:28.19`	`indietrash`	`is it possible to set another file manager in kde 3.5.10 than konqueror as default?`
`08:28.46`	`Denn`	`System Settings > Default Applications`
`08:28.55`	`Denn`	`um`
`08:29.02`	`Denn`	`thats for kde4,`
`08:29.07`	`indietrash`	`yes`
`08:29.53`	`Denn`	`i remember similar thing in Kcontrol`
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`08:30.41`	`indietrash`	`I honestly don't know of any way to do it`
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`08:35.32`	`Denn`	`indietrash: it's set in file associations`
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`08:36.27`	`Denn`	`Control Center > File associations > inode > directory`
`08:36.29`	`smorg`	`drantin: You're right. :)`
`08:36.52`	`indietrash`	`Denn: so what happens if I unmerge konqueror and emerge xfe or thunar or whatever? will it be able to detect something by itself, or will I have to do this all manually?`
`08:37.05`	`indietrash`	`surely unmerging konqueror will at least clear the associations with it?`
`08:38.16`	`Denn`	`I have no idea what it will do, but I remember setting dolphin as default. it worked fine`
`08:38.54`	`indietrash`	`Denn: but did you remove konqueror first? and did that remove all the file associations?`
`08:39.19`	`GNU\colossus`	`indietrash: no it won't.`
`08:39.50`	`indietrash`	`GNU\colossus: arrr. but what file associations am I looking at here? I mean I want everything to act as it does now. except no konqueror.`
`08:40.42`	`indietrash`	`also seriously? will that not clear the file associations? if I remove konqueror, will it still try to open mathml documents with konqueror instead of skipping ahead to iceweasel or vim or whatever's next on my list?`
`08:40.49`	`Denn`	`indietrash: it didn't remove any file associations as far as I remember.`
`08:42.07`	`indietrash`	`wow. that's incredibly rubbish. but maybe I'll just keep konqueror and just... not use it.`
`08:42.50`	`Denn`	`i just set dolphin first in application preference order, i didn't remove konqueror`
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`09:37.57`	`dollarmac`	`maybe it was media spin, but i encountered a girl where the possessiveness and jealousy of her lover seemed to turn her on more.`
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`09:38.50`	`dollarmac`	`what do you think of possiveness and jealousy in general? hot or chumpish?`
`09:39.51`	`dollarmac`	`a girl told me that her lover would tear me to shreds if he found out about me.`
`09:40.13`	`dollarmac`	`that statement there made me think he was a chump, right, but she's madly into him it seems.`
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`11:44.51`	`petelewis`	`atm I'm using window-specific settings for the panel to make it always on top, then setting "let windows cover the panel" in the panel settings.`
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`12:30.07`	`sandsmark`	`albe123: right click, show hidden folders, or something?`
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`12:51.53`	`albe123`	`sandsmark no`
`12:52.08`	`albe123`	`i mean the time quen you launch dolphin`
`12:52.14`	`albe123`	`when*`
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`12:52.42`	`albe123`	`dolphin start after 4 seconds...`
`12:52.54`	`ahmadrazzaghi`	`hello`
`12:53.48`	`ahmadrazzaghi`	`i've some crashes in my new kde 4.2 in fedora, such crash in adding widgets, or open programes like stardict. i've adding kde 4.2 from kde-testing repos`
`12:53.56`	`ahmadrazzaghi`	`what i doing ?`
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`12:56.33`	`megaTherion`	`hello I need to know how to save a session in kde4`
`12:56.57`	`megaTherion`	`I found this: dbus-send --dest=org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer org.kde.KSMServerInterface.saveCurrentSession`
`12:56.59`	`megaTherion`	`however it doesnt work at all`
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`13:13.18`	`ron2_cin`	`with whom could I talk to about Google Summer of Code projects?`
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`13:20.25`	`sandsmark`	`google`
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`13:24.57`	`chewed-on`	`How do I add custom application launchers in KDE 4.2 to the paneL ?`
`13:26.12`	`cb400f`	`right click or drag from kickoff`
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`13:26.24`	`cb400f`	`.. make sure widgets are unlocked`
`13:26.34`	`chewed-on`	`When I say custom application launcher I mean a non-kde application launcher.`
`13:26.44`	`sandsmark`	`?`
`13:26.48`	`chewed-on`	`Not one of those KDE start menus.`
`13:26.51`	`sandsmark`	`just drag any icon down`
`13:27.02`	`chewed-on`	`and then modify it's executing command ?`
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`13:27.17`	`chewed-on`	`That's a lame hack :P`
`13:27.40`	`sandsmark`	`?`
`13:27.43`	`sandsmark`	`no`
`13:27.53`	`chewed-on`	`OK`
`13:27.55`	`sandsmark`	`all applications should be in the menu`
`13:28.06`	`chewed-on`	`Let say I've created a folder in /home/chewedon/ and I called it svn-blender.`
`13:28.12`	`sandsmark`	`how nice`
`13:28.25`	`chewed-on`	`In this svn blender, I have an executable blender that I compled with scons.`
`13:28.34`	`sandsmark`	`bad idea`
`13:28.45`	`sandsmark`	`install it to /usr/local :)`
`13:28.46`	`chewed-on`	`No not bad idea.,`
`13:29.03`	`chewed-on`	`No, I shouldn't have to.`
`13:29.03`	`sandsmark`	`has noexec on his homedirectory`
`13:29.12`	`sandsmark`	`chewed-on: anywho, have you tried to just drag the executable over to the panel?`
`13:29.18`	`chewed-on`	`no`
`13:29.19`	`chewed-on`	`not yet`
`13:29.23`	`chewed-on`	`does that work ?`
`13:29.28`	`sandsmark`	`yeah`
`13:29.29`	`sandsmark`	`it should`
`13:29.35`	`sandsmark`	`otherwise I would demand a refund`
`13:29.57`	`chewed-on`	`:)`
`13:30.02`	`sandsmark`	`:P`
`13:30.15`	`chewed-on`	`Aight, next question - how do I make it so that it's double click to run a program on the desktop ?`
`13:30.19`	`chewed-on`	`Like my home icon`
`13:30.29`	`chewed-on`	`I want to double click to open the home folder.`
`13:30.36`	`sandsmark`	`I have no idea`
`13:30.45`	`chewed-on`	`(I want to use single click to rename my icons )`
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`13:31.02`	`sandsmark`	`uses f2 to rename his icon`
`13:31.06`	`sandsmark`	`I suck at timing my clicks :p`
`13:31.27`	`chewed-on`	`sandsmark: well, in this case, single click immediately opens the folder, which is quite. . .annoying.`
`13:31.36`	`sandsmark`	`it's awesome :D`
`13:31.53`	`cb400f`	`you can enable double click in systemsettings -> keyboad and mouse -> mouse`
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`13:32.07`	`cb400f`	`.. same as in kde3`
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`13:32.28`	`cb400f`	`if you like to click twice as much as necessary ;-)`
`13:32.45`	`sandsmark`	`;D`
`13:33.10`	`chewed-on`	`cb400f: ok there we go, thank you. KDE 4.2 is a new environment to me, trying to figure my way around it.`
`13:33.31`	`chewed-on`	`cb400f: no, I just like to use single click to select an item.`
`13:33.40`	`chewed-on`	`:)`
`13:33.59`	`chewed-on`	`like if I want to select multiple items to delete :)`
`13:34.00`	`cb400f`	`you can with the nice little "+" thingies when you hover over things`
`13:34.28`	`chewed-on`	`Well, I'm more comfortable with double click :)`
`13:34.38`	`cb400f`	`maybe that only works in dolphin and konq.. haven't got a lot of stuff on my desktop`
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`13:35.59`	`chewed-on`	`cb400f: sometimes in the midst of thinking of what I'm trying to do, I tend to click on a folder and then pause and think :P`
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`13:37.19`	`chewed-on`	`cb400f: thanks for the help :)`
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`13:38.56`	`chewed-on`	`cb400f: that worked (dragging an application onto the panel :))`
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`13:39.48`	`chewed-on`	`cb400f: how do I change the icon graphic ?`
`13:40.14`	`jbellis`	`is there a way to bind a keyboard shortcut to quicklaunch, like cmd-space in os x takes you to spotlight?`
`13:40.16`	`chewed-on`	`(I tried clicking on the icon graphic in the properties, in KDE 3.5, this would bring up a new window that show me the new icons I can choose from)`
`13:40.22`	`jbellis`	`[in 4.2]`
`13:40.42`	`cb400f`	`chewed-on: I guess the easiest way is to create your shortcut with kmenuedit the way you like it, and then drag it from the menu`
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`13:40.58`	`chewed-on`	`cb400f: wehre is this kmenuedit ?`
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`13:41.30`	`cb400f`	`right click on kickoff icon .. or alt+f2 -> kmenuedit`
`13:41.58`	`chewed-on`	`ah yes :) i remember this :)`
`13:42.15`	`chewed-on`	`cb400f: thanks again :D`
`13:42.31`	`chewed-on`	`One thing KDE has too much is configuring :)`
`13:43.03`	`cb400f`	`never saw a checkbox he didn't like ;-)`
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`13:47.26`	`Sput`	`is there any sane way of refreshing KDE's icon cache, other than manual removing the files?`
`13:47.43`	`Sput`	`for some reason, it doesn't refresh always if the application changes icons`
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`13:48.07`	`chewed-on`	`So far so good KDE 4.2 :)`
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`13:49.54`	`sandsmark`	`Sput: xdg-icon-resource forceupdate, or something?`
`13:50.13`	`chewed-on`	`sput did you click the save button when you change the icon ?`
`13:50.57`	`Sput`	`no, I installed a new version of my application with changed icons (probably same name, different path), and KDE decided that question marks are quite appropriate`
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`13:51.26`	`chewed-on`	`sput it's always been like that :)`
`13:51.26`	`Sput`	`KIconCache should at least do a refresh if it doesn't find an icon :/`
`13:51.31`	`chewed-on`	`sput even in gnome I believe.`
`13:51.39`	`Sput`	`removing the file in kpc helps`
`13:51.57`	`Sput`	`but I'd prefer autodetection if that's possible at all, or at least a shiny button somewhere in systemsettings`
`13:52.03`	`chewed-on`	`you go change the "command" value in the properties of an application and it'll change the icon to a question mark :)`
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`13:52.26`	`Sput`	`right`
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`14:00.31`	`openIT`	`hi`
`14:00.38`	`sandsmark`	`hello`
`14:00.44`	`openIT`	`can you recommand a video player for mp4, mov etc...?`
`14:00.49`	`openIT`	`i use debian lenny with kde3`
`14:00.58`	`sandsmark`	`codeine`
`14:01.16`	`Sho_`	`openIT: Dragon`
`14:01.26`	`sandsmark`	`openIT: Codeine was my favourite player in KDE 3, and the port to KDE 4 is the official video player in KDE 4`
`14:01.34`	`sandsmark`	`Sho_: he's using lenny :P`
`14:01.41`	`Sho_`	`oh right`
`14:02.00`	`pinotree`	`openIT: kaffeine, vlc`
`14:02.09`	`Sho_`	`codeine then as you say (dragon is the kde4 port sandsmark mentioned)`
`14:02.31`	`openIT`	`i'll try codeine`
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`14:02.43`	`sandsmark`	`openIT: Codeine is a very simple player, if you need anything advanced, go for kaffeine or vlc`
`14:02.47`	`sandsmark`	`(or mplayer)`
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`14:08.52`	`openIT`	`kaffeine is nice`
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`14:09.16`	`rushfan`	`Whats the actual command for system settings in kde 4.2? So I can run kdesu system-settings or w/e`
`14:09.39`	`pinotree`	`systemsettings`
`14:09.40`	`aaroe`	`When compiling KDE-4.2.0 does any of you have any reasonable suggestion for what fails here: http://dpaste.com/121218/ ?`
`14:09.47`	`rushfan`	`pinotree: well I win the missing the obvious award. ty`
`14:10.00`	`openIT`	`i have a great performance with kde3 in lenny, i use the nvidia driver 180.29`
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`14:10.13`	`openIT`	`will i have the same performance when i upgrade to kde 4.2?`
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`14:11.00`	`pinotree`	`aaroe: please ask in #gentoo-kde, we don't support the split compilation gentoo does`
`14:11.16`	`aaroe`	`pinotree, oh. I apologize :)`
`14:11.20`	`aaroe`	`j gentoo-kde`
`14:11.33`	`aaroe`	`My bad :/`
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`14:17.04`	`ahmadrazzaghi`	`how i can remove kde 4.2 in fedora by yum ???`
`14:17.12`	`Skrot-`	`#fedora`
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`14:17.47`	`chewed-on`	`Is there a way to make sure icons line up correctly in KDE 4.2 ?`
`14:17.51`	`chewed-on`	`I mean desktop icons`
`14:18.00`	`mini-man`	`chewed-on: right-click, icons, align-to-grid`
`14:18.19`	`chewed-on`	`mini-man: I don't see it`
`14:18.59`	`chewed-on`	`mini-man: are you using KDE 4.2 ?`
`14:19.39`	`chewed-on`	`mini-man: all I see is "icon settings, desktop options and remove this icon"`
`14:19.55`	`sandsmark`	`chewed-on: right click â icons â align to grid`
`14:20.29`	`chewed-on`	`Where do I right click on ?`
`14:20.57`	`chewed-on`	`on the desktop ? on the icon I want to align ?`
`14:21.00`	`sandsmark`	`on the desktop?`
`14:21.13`	`chewed-on`	`I don't see that "align to grid" option`
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`14:22.47`	`chewed-on`	`sandsmark, mini-man http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/Ryu_Kaiser/kde_42-1.jpg`
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`14:22.52`	`chewed-on`	`woops`
`14:22.56`	`sandsmark`	`http://photo.klette.us/i/17/11397-screenie20.png`
`14:22.58`	`chewed-on`	`upload wrong file`
`14:23.40`	`sandsmark`	`I uploaded the right one :)`
`14:24.16`	`chewed-on`	`sandsmark, mini-man well we must be running very different KDE 4.2 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/Ryu_Kaiser/kde_42-1.jpg`
`14:24.27`	`chewed-on`	`>.<`
`14:24.28`	`chewed-on`	`http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/Ryu_Kaiser/no_align_icons.png`
`14:24.57`	`sandsmark`	`what distro are you using?`
`14:25.02`	`chewed-on`	`Gentoo.`
`14:25.06`	`chewed-on`	`sandsmark: have you got Kwin on ?`
`14:25.18`	`sandsmark`	`go to #gentoo-kde and ask why they fucked up your KDE, then :)`
`14:25.19`	`sandsmark`	`yes`
`14:25.25`	`sandsmark`	`no desktop effects, though`
`14:25.39`	`chewed-on`	`Yeah I got desktop effects on, maybe that's affecting it ?`
`14:25.45`	`sandsmark`	`nope`
`14:25.56`	`sandsmark`	`no difference if I turn them on here`
`14:26.12`	`sandsmark`	`(I usually have them off, because of a bug in the intel drivers here which makes all the animations really slow after a while)`
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`14:48.11`	`chewed-on`	`What's that text field in Alt + F2 for ? searching ?`
`14:48.28`	`jazka`	`for running programs and more`
`14:48.41`	`chewed-on`	`oh ok`
`14:48.47`	`chewed-on`	`I thought it was for searching for files :)`
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`14:52.25`	`pinotree`	`lewellyn: should be back`
`14:54.38`	`Sho_`	`lewellyn: if your first name is Robert, I'm a fan ;)`
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`14:56.08`	`lewellyn`	`no, it is not`
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`14:56.36`	`Sho_`	`lewellyn: Sorry, just making reference to Red Dwarf ;)`
`14:56.43`	`Sho_`	`(British scifi comedy series)`
`14:56.57`	`lewellyn`	`yeah. i was responding to pinotree. should have prefixed the line ;)`
`14:58.05`	`Sho_`	`Of course, Kryten would probably be a KDE user going by the K in the name alone`
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`15:11.56`	`chewed-on`	`awww booo !`
`15:12.09`	`chewed-on`	`I can't right click > empty trash bin anymore in KDE 4.2 :(`
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`15:12.55`	`cuci__`	`HI folks! do I have a kde app that can view pdb files?`
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`15:13.14`	`fabian__`	`what is a pdb file?`
`15:13.48`	`_daemon_`	`hi any now playing music scripts for konversation?`
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`15:14.34`	`cuci__`	`fabian__: some pdf wanna be format`
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`15:15.41`	`fabian__`	`cuci__: maybe ocular can open it`
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`15:16.12`	`cuci__`	`nope just tried and got a "plugin not found " error`
`15:16.34`	`pinotree`	`pdb is palm document`
`15:16.50`	`Sho_`	`_daemon_: Konvi includes one. Just type "/audio" while playing music and it will probably work.`
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`15:17.15`	`cuci__`	`pinotree: I think so, do you have any ideas how to convert it to pdf or view it as it is?`
`15:17.27`	`pinotree`	`not that sure`
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`15:18.12`	`cuci__`	`i could only find some windows utilities for that, but I erased the VM a while ago....`
`15:18.56`	`sandsmark`	`a pdb can contain pretty much anything`
`15:18.59`	`sandsmark`	`it's a generic palm db`
`15:19.01`	`Shaan7`	`trying to run unmodified svn checked out plasma applet sm_net (System Monitor - Network) in plasmoidviewer and it crashes http://rafb.net/p/kwDvjV29.html . other applets work fine.`
`15:19.38`	`cuci__`	`sandsmark: this particular one is a book, any hints?`
`15:19.49`	`chewed-on`	`So erm, does anyone know how to empty the trash bin in KDE 4.2 ?`
`15:19.50`	`sandsmark`	`it's just data, as opposed to program code, which are named .prc`
`15:19.53`	`sandsmark`	`cuci__: no idea`
`15:19.58`	`sandsmark`	`maybe cspotrun?`
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`15:24.24`	`_daemon_`	`Sho_: thanks i will try`
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`15:26.46`	`mini-man`	`is amarok (latest svn) supposed to bork up so bad that when it "organizes" my music folder it actually randomly deletes albums?`
`15:26.47`	`dadada`	`hello folks`
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`15:27.03`	`dadada`	`anyone played with plasma activities?`
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`15:28.07`	`lewellyn`	`pinotree: it's still not back. does it have an eta? or is there a mirror?`
`15:28.25`	`MoDaX`	`mini-man: #amarok`
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`15:33.59`	`Holistah`	`mini-man: dunno, but the downright retarded decision to remove postgres support and force you to use crappy mysql embededd is enough to make me ditch it entirely...`
`15:34.46`	`mini-man`	`Holistah: I think I should prolly switch now too :\`
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`15:36.53`	`MoDaX`	`mini-man: you are complaining if you were using released version`
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`15:45.29`	`AndySpain`	`hi !`
`15:45.37`	`AndySpain`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:45.51`	`AndySpain`	`After running amarok it suddenly had the icons moved`
`15:46.18`	`AndySpain`	`and I cannot reoder them the normal way, cause the default spaces ocupied by a gorup of icons is increased now`
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`15:47.13`	`AndySpain`	`that means, the clock, though being on the right, is no longer at the margin, and the notification icons are in the middle of the bar now. If I click to repoisition them I can put them right of the clock, but then the clock is in the middle`
`15:47.23`	`AndySpain`	`but i want them all to be on the right`
`15:47.40`	`AndySpain`	`furthermore the acitve windows have disappeared in panel`
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`15:50.08`	`AndySpain`	`http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmfoto2ew8.png`
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`15:53.48`	`AndySpain`	`how do i recover the openwindows in the panel? they're still open, with alt+tab I can change between them`
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`15:55.07`	`maniel`	`hi`
`15:55.11`	`AndySpain`	`hi`
`15:55.47`	`maniel`	`are those blur effect artefacts typical? i see them since 4.0`
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`15:57.10`	`maniel`	`or it's nvidia drivers' fault?:)`
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`15:57.56`	`AndySpain`	`no idea`
`15:57.59`	`AndySpain`	`am noob`
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`15:59.50`	`Sho_`	`maniel: The blur effect is known to have bugs, but the kwin chaps are recently doing a lot of research on how to make it rock in the future`
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`16:00.33`	`Zarin`	`Sho_, thanks for reminding me that I need to test Martin's new version`
`16:00.46`	`maniel`	`Sho_: nice to hear [see] that;-)`
`16:01.28`	`Zarin`	`Quassel core upgrade time, brb`
`16:03.02`	`maniel`	`hmm, i've noticed that it's not a real blur, i mean the text is sharp through for example blurred translucent yakuake window, but it has some "fur" around;-)`
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`16:03.17`	`AndySpain`	`can anybody help me?`
`16:03.29`	`maniel`	`AndySpain: what's the problem?`
`16:03.47`	`AndySpain`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:03.59`	`AndySpain`	`After running amarok it suddenly had the icons moved`
`16:04.09`	`AndySpain`	`and I cannot reoder them the normal way, cause the default spaces ocupied by a gorup of icons is increased now`
`16:04.15`	`AndySpain`	`that means, the clock, though being on the right, is no longer at the margin, and the notification icons are in the middle of the bar now. If I click to repoisition them I can put them right of the clock, but then the clock is in the middle`
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`16:04.32`	`AndySpain`	`but i want them all to be on the right`
`16:04.39`	`AndySpain`	`furthermore the acitve windows have disappeared in panel`
`16:04.46`	`AndySpain`	`http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmfoto2ew8.png`
`16:04.52`	`AndySpain`	`how do i recover the openwindows in the panel? they're still open, with alt+tab I can change between them`
`16:05.01`	`haeger`	`hello is it possible to change the iconsize in the traditional kmenu?`
`16:05.59`	`maniel`	`AndySpain: seems like taskbar applet disappeared`
`16:06.28`	`AndySpain`	`ah`
`16:06.29`	`AndySpain`	`yes`
`16:06.47`	`AndySpain`	`maybe that's why the others' space has grown in order to fill the panel`
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`16:07.28`	`AndySpain`	`but I can't find taskbar apllet in add applets`
`16:07.29`	`AndySpain`	`:-(`
`16:08.05`	`maniel`	`too bad, maybe it wasn't installed in last update?`
`16:08.13`	`maniel`	`what distro you are using?`
`16:08.16`	`AndySpain`	`kubuntu`
`16:08.17`	`maniel`	`what kde version?`
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`16:08.36`	`AndySpain`	`and I have had it. here. It suddenly disappeared after starting amarok`
`16:08.37`	`panzi`	`hi`
`16:08.40`	`AndySpain`	`KDE 4.1.4`
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`16:09.15`	`panzi`	`I had a crash of plasma on login. I saved the backtrace. Should I create a new bugreport? I would not know what to write. ("plasma crashed on login")`
`16:09.18`	`Sho_`	`Zarin: I'm slightly scared of you enabling blur for shaped/hasAlpha windows (i.e. Yakuake is now being hit), wondering what that will do to its animation performance :-)`
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`16:09.58`	`Zarin`	`I should really try out this Yakuake thing`
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`16:10.16`	`beaver74`	`hey`
`16:10.17`	`panzi`	`(yakuake rocks)`
`16:10.26`	`AndySpain`	`oh, yes, the transparent thing on desktop also vanished`
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`16:11.01`	`AndySpain`	`so what can I do in order to recover it and the taskbar applet?`
`16:11.20`	`Sho_`	`Zarin: Given that the Yakuake animation is already somewhat troublesome with compositing. It's based on progressively adjusting the XShape. I'm wary of doing the Plasma auto-hide panel thing (moving the window contents wholesale and letting alpha do the rest), because it would cause problems with the window shadow (which panels don't have to worry about ..)`
`16:11.33`	`Zarin`	`Argh`
`16:11.37`	`Zarin`	`That's the worse way of doing it`
`16:11.47`	`maniel`	`AndySpain: tried a relogin?`
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`16:12.02`	`Sho_`	`Zarin: Adjusting the XShape? Well, it's the only way that has reliably worked in all settings for the last four years :)`
`16:12.04`	`AndySpain`	`yes`
`16:12.16`	`Zarin`	`Sho_, :)`
`16:12.18`	`beaver74`	`can't setup my kdm(4), its running "design-mode", how can i change this? I want changing background to the same as the desktop is using.`
`16:12.20`	`AndySpain`	`maniel: that was the first thing after trying the relocating`
`16:12.25`	`AndySpain`	`didn't work`
`16:12.29`	`AndySpain`	`all remains the way it is`
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`16:13.25`	`Sho_`	`Zarin: If I move the contents in the window rather than adjust the XShape, I get a window shadow that doesn't move with the contents and breaks the illusion. I could work around this in current kwin by setting an intial XShape, since kwin doesn't do shadows for shaped windows. But it might at some point in the future, and I think compiz does shadows for shaped windows.`
`16:13.37`	`Zarin`	`Sho_, seems to work fine with blur`
`16:13.42`	`maniel`	`btw, yakuake looks nice with blur effect here: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3584/zrzutekranu4vq3.jpg`
`16:14.04`	`Zarin`	`Compiz doesn't do shaped shadows either`
`16:14.06`	`Sho_`	`maniel: Except for the border around the terminal widget which is a bug in KDE 4.2 ... sigh`
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`16:14.46`	`beaver74`	`setup /usr/share/config/kdm/* wont help, kdm looks same`
`16:14.48`	`maniel`	`Sho_: it's there since kde 4.1 afair`
`16:15.00`	`Sho_`	`maniel: No, it definitely appeared throughought the 4.2 dev cycle`
`16:15.24`	`maniel`	`maybe, i'm not using releases, only trunk;-)`
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`16:15.34`	`AndySpain`	`ok, I found it. It had another name as I'm on a German system`
`16:15.45`	`maniel`	`AndySpain: whee:)`
`16:16.02`	`AndySpain`	`I had been looking for "task" and not for "Fenster" (windows)`
`16:16.18`	`AndySpain`	`now only the transparent thing on desktop is still missing`
`16:16.26`	`AndySpain`	`what's it called?`
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`16:16.41`	`panzi`	`I don't like yakuake to be that transparent anyway. It makes it hard to read the outputs (IMO)`
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`16:16.46`	`jruppal`	`Hi, I'm using KDE 4.2 on OpenSuse 11.1, and I"m having the problem of my plasma configuration not saving. Whenever I reboot, any widgets that I added in the previous session are gone. Any idea why this is happening?`
`16:17.01`	`Sho_`	`panzi: Well, that's kind of the point of the blur effect - transparency without too much distraction`
`16:17.27`	`Sho_`	`maniel: There's an open bug report against Konsole in BKO, and the Konsole maintainer has been aware of the problem for quite some time, but nothing is happening ... I'll have to bite the bullet and fix it myself :)`
`16:17.33`	`panzi`	`jruppal: I hade the same problem with Fedora 10, but after an update it was ok. maybe SuSE has/will have the same update?`
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`16:18.23`	`doctorwhite`	`im using kde 4.2 on fedora 10 and my system just locked up. mouse is still functional but keyboard is locked. any ideas?`
`16:18.32`	`panzi`	`so what about the backtrace of my plasma crash? what should I do with it?`
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`16:18.51`	`maniel`	`jruppal: tried a clean test user? or deleting your ~/.kde or ./kde4 ?`
`16:19.04`	`panzi`	`doctorwhite: does ctrl+alt+f1 or ctrl+alt+backspace work (tha later will kill the x server)`
`16:19.18`	`WindBack`	`My xorg.conf doesnt says nothing about the driver in the device section, but i relised thath the xserver is using the correct driver. How can it realise which driver to use??`
`16:19.22`	`jruppal`	`maniel: would deleting the ./kde4 break things?`
`16:19.23`	`doctorwhite`	`panzi, no none of those work.`
`16:19.36`	`cb400f`	`jruppal: those are experimental under development packages.. you may need to reset plasma (with this ingenious command: 'kquitapp plasma && rm ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma* && plasma &')`
`16:19.54`	`panzi`	`doctorwhite: can you login per ssh and kill X (or kde or any process that eats cpu)`
`16:19.55`	`cb400f`	`.. and you should ask in opensuse channels..`
`16:20.11`	`doctorwhite`	`panzi, i dont have ssh on.`
`16:20.13`	`maniel`	`jruppal: ofcourse it will delete your all kde settings, you can mv it to test what's the problem`
`16:20.20`	`maniel`	`bbl`
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`16:20.42`	`zoniq`	`Does anyone know how to disable the flashing of items/programs in the taskbar?`
`16:20.49`	`panzi`	`jruppal: it will also delete all podcasts you downloaded with amarok (if you didnt change the download directory)`
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`16:22.07`	`Shaan7`	`I'm trying to run plasmoidviewer sm_net to run the built applet System Monitor - Network from kde svn trunk. But plasmoidviewer crashes with backtrace http://rafb.net/p/kwDvjV29.html . doesn't happen with other applets. running kde 4.2 on kubuntu and svn trunk build on seperate account.`
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`16:22.40`	`doctorwhite`	`panzi, should i turn on ssh and give that a shot? if i cant ssh in then what?`
`16:22.42`	`panzi`	`doctorwhite: then all you can do is hard reset (or push you power button once. this should tell linux to shut down. if it not works, push it for > 5 secs. this will turn the pc of without shutdown)`
`16:22.53`	`doctorwhite`	`thats what i do`
`16:23.02`	`panzi`	`doctorwhite: when you cant do anything, how can you turn on ssh?`
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`16:23.43`	`doctorwhite`	`panzi, i mean im gonna turn it on now and in the event it locks ill try to ssh in.`
`16:24.07`	`doctorwhite`	`but if that fails to work, then what?`
`16:25.03`	`panzi`	`doctorwhite: yeah. but be sure to use a good password or do not forward the ssh port in case you are connected to the internet over a router. if that fails then the pc is locked up beyond hope. you can only hard reset it.`
`16:25.17`	`panzi`	`doctorwhite: it would be good to investigate what is causing the problem`
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`16:25.46`	`panzi`	`maybe dmesg, or any of the logfiles under /var/log tell you more`
`16:26.03`	`doctorwhite`	`panzi, im trying to isolate the problem. definitely dmesg ill look into`
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`16:27.32`	`panzi`	`however, I still not know what I should do with the backtrace I recorded. It would be a shame to not submit it to the developers somehow. but I don't know if a bugreport is the right thing because all I know is that plasma crashed during login`
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`16:45.23`	`panzi`	`I added a new bugreport anyway https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184526`
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`17:18.15`	`crispy1`	`I want to edit kwinrulesrc file in kde4.2 under kubuntu, but every time i edit a change it gets reverted to the previous value - any idea of how to edit these window rules through a script or something?`
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`17:19.57`	`silver_hook`	`Hullo. Is something wrong with b.k.o today?`
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`17:21.38`	`pinotree`	`silver_hook: worksforme`
`17:22.01`	`silver_hook`	`I just started my own personal bug triage and I could comment and close a few of my bugs, but after that I could only type in the text, but there was neither a "submit" button nor a status pull-down menu.`
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`17:22.24`	`silver_hook`	`E.g. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68372 and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99240`
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`17:22.45`	`JackWinter`	`am on kubuntu 8.10, and when i install wine from a package i don't get it in kmenu... any ideas ?`
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`17:23.57`	`pinotree`	`silver_hook: i see a status combo and a commit button`
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`17:25.30`	`silver_hook`	`http://imagebin.ca/view/BATaVprO.html`
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`17:27.04`	`pinotree`	`silver_hook: try to reload, and make sure you are actually logged in`
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`17:29.24`	`silver_hook`	`pinotree: I've been logged in (I've already closed some bugs). But now I logged out, logged in again and reloaded and it's the same story :/`
`17:29.27`	`silver_hook`	`Odd...`
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`17:33.51`	`Draglor`	`Hi , anyone familiar with this? My Kget (KDE 4.2.00) doesn't get a network connection. Any other KDE services or apps have no problems.`
`17:34.05`	`edgy`	`Hi, when I download a file e.g there is a notification appears on the panel, on this same place appears kmail notifications, I right click that place and closed it by mistake, now I want it back`
`17:34.30`	`boom1992`	`Draglor: status "delayed"?`
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`17:35.13`	`Draglor`	`I have the same problem since Kget on KDE 4.0 ... I never got a network connection , on KDE 4.0 some other apps although had no connection. Since KDE 4.1 all apps can connect to the net, but only KGet can't`
`17:35.33`	`Draglor`	`wait ... i start a download`
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`17:35.53`	`boom1992`	`Draglor: also try disabling the multi-seg-kio-plugin...`
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`17:36.15`	`silver_hook`	`pinotree: Oh, well. The Bug #68372 ould IMHO be marked as resolved with the comment that the users should delete the input device sections from their 'xorg.conf' and should let HAL handle them. If in need of additional settings, they should use the '*.fdi' files. I even wrote a HOWTO: http://matija.suklje.name/?q=node/56`
`17:36.49`	`Draglor`	`boom1992: how do I do this`
`17:37.07`	`boom1992`	`Draglor: config-dialog -> plugins`
`17:37.30`	`hoban`	`hey all. I'm able to set global keyboard shortcuts for kmix/amarok (haven't tested others) but when I use the shortcuts, nothing happens... The method I'm using has worked in the past with kde 4.* but I don't know what caused the issue, nor how to fix it`
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`17:38.28`	`yang3`	`What the heck are nepomukservices, and why do they use so much CPU ?`
`17:39.21`	`Draglor`	`These are semantic serevices maybe usefull if they won't use so much CPU/IO ... I disabled them for now yang3`
`17:40.16`	`yang3`	`can you tell me where you have disabled them ?`
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`17:40.30`	`Draglor`	`So status is "Stopped" or maybe "Delayed" (or something similar, my KGet isn't english) ...`
`17:40.31`	`silver_hook`	`Meh, still can't edit those bugs :/`
`17:40.47`	`Draglor`	`I just disabled the lugin boom1992 .. I'll try again`
`17:40.59`	`boom1992`	`ok...`
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`17:41.46`	`Draglor`	`but no change boom1992 ... still no connection`
`17:41.54`	`boom1992`	`Draglor: try to restart kget...`
`17:42.36`	`yang3`	`Draglor: ?`
`17:42.37`	`Draglor`	`Staus is "Angehalten" in German, which means stopped or maybe a bad translation for delayed`
`17:42.53`	`yang3`	`Draglor: can you tell me where you disabled nepomuk?`
`17:43.09`	`silver_hook`	`pinotree: Is it not enough to be in the CC anymore to be able to post? Because the bugs that I reported seem to work just fine in b.k.o O_o`
`17:43.17`	`Draglor`	`I restarted it about 200 times now, I try every download with KGet ... afterwards I use something that works for me now`
`17:43.18`	`AndySpain`	`ok folks, am leaving`
`17:43.24`	`AndySpain`	`have a nice day`
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`17:43.45`	`boom1992`	`Draglor: ouhm... strange...`
`17:43.55`	`boom1992`	`Draglor: with the normal kio-plugin it should work every time...`
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`17:44.08`	`Draglor`	`yang3: systemsettings --> expert options (or advanced or something) --> desktop search (maybe nepomuk for kde <4.2) --> disable`
`17:44.20`	`Draglor`	`yes`
`17:44.36`	`pinotree`	`silver_hook: please join #kde-devel`
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`17:44.55`	`Draglor`	`I know, I asked everywhere I could Imagine yet, and no one knows this issue, I even reinstalled both systems 3 times`
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`17:45.39`	`Draglor`	`and no change at all .. even if I use a new user .. no connection`
`17:45.49`	`yang3`	`Draglor: i have kde 3.5`
`17:46.21`	`Draglor`	`nepomuk on kde3?`
`17:46.29`	`Draglor`	`is it a backport?`
`17:46.37`	`Draglor`	`which distribution?`
`17:46.44`	`yang3`	`3.5.9 in debian`
`17:46.56`	`yang3`	`actually it says 3.5.10`
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`17:48.44`	`Draglor`	`maybe .. but nepomuk on kde3 should be a backport`
`17:48.59`	`Draglor`	`whats the processes name? nepomukservicestub?`
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`17:50.27`	`crispy1`	`hmm`
`17:50.49`	`Draglor`	`if it is just try 'echo -e "#!/bin/sh\n(sleep 20 && killall nepomukservicestub)&" > ~/.kde/Autostart/killnepomuk.sh'<-- this should kill the process on kde start .. bad hack, but should work`
`17:51.01`	`crispy--`	`I might be confused, but is this channel linked with ubuntuirc and freenodeirc somehow?`
`17:51.02`	`aparra`	`#join kde-it`
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`17:51.43`	`MoDaX`	`crispy--: afaik, ubuntu hosts its irc channels on freenode`
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`17:52.02`	`crispy1`	`Well that would explain it :)`
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`17:52.39`	`MoDaX`	`but this channel is NOT ubuntu channel. general kde questions here`
`17:52.50`	`Draglor`	`is there a way to tarck network connections from one program (not as wireshark does for all) like strace does (not for network connections)?`
`17:52.55`	`Draglor`	`tarck=track`
`17:53.33`	`crispy1`	`Anyway, does anyone know of a commandline way to edit the application specific window settings? kwinrulesrc gets reverted every time i edit it manually!`
`17:53.44`	`crispy1`	`And im nearly exploding with rage! :D`
`17:53.57`	`MoDaX`	`crispy1: edit when kwin is not running`
`17:54.07`	`MoDaX`	`otherwise it will overwrite it`
`17:54.50`	`MoDaX`	`or "crash" kwin so it does not save its settings on shutdown`
`17:54.56`	`crispy1`	`so i will have to kill kwin?`
`17:55.04`	`crispy1`	`thats not really an elegant solution :/`
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`17:55.18`	`MoDaX`	`crispy1: what do you expect?`
`17:56.09`	`crispy1`	`a command to tell kwin that this certain window should have these settings next time you open it`
`17:56.43`	`Draglor`	`crispy1 stop kde, start in console mode, edit the config, restart kde ;)no need to kill kwin`
`17:57.01`	`MoDaX`	`crispy1: edit with gui`
`17:57.16`	`crispy1`	`I am making a script :\|`
`17:57.25`	`MoDaX`	`crispy1: there may be the way to tell kwin to reload its settings from the file, check source code`
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`17:58.21`	`Draglor`	`MoDaX: gui needs kwin (or an any other wm) ... so if he uses kde ,he has to kill kwin , which means no kde`
`17:58.31`	`Draglor`	`and no GUI ;)`
`17:59.00`	`MoDaX`	`Draglor: no, I meant a standard kwin gui`
`17:59.09`	`MoDaX`	`for configuring things`
`17:59.52`	`crispy1`	`Am I alone in needing this kind of functionality? Controlling window placement from commandline?`
`17:59.52`	`Draglor`	`a standard kwin gui doesn't use kwin?`
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`18:02.38`	`Draglor`	`Whats a "Standard KWin GUI"? If it's a KWin GUI, it uses Kwin, doesn't it?`
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`18:03.46`	`Draglor`	`kwin is the kde window manager .... you can use compiz or anything else .. but if you use KWin you have to stop it before editing it's config, haven#t you?`
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`18:05.06`	`MoDaX`	`crispy1: there is certainly is an app which allows to start any other gui app on the specific workspace. don't remember the name now`
`18:05.26`	`pthomas`	`just got kde 4.2, I like it so far`
`18:05.34`	`Draglor`	`crispy1: what do you exactly try? placement on your screen if you more than one, on your desktop if you have only one screen?`
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`18:10.03`	`Half-Left`	`Can you believe compiz got window manager of the year, my goodness`
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`18:10.40`	`Half-Left`	`I bet that was purely on effects, as a window manager it's pretty useless`
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`18:18.04`	`edgy`	`Hi again, when I download a file e.g there is a notification appears on the panel, on this same place appears kmail notifications, I right click that place and closed it by mistake, now I want it back`
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`18:18.20`	`edgy`	`it shouldn't be that difficult, right? ;)`
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`18:20.22`	`Vasistha`	`is there a channel for kmail, or is this the place?`
`18:21.02`	`edgy`	`Vasistha: #kontact`
`18:21.03`	`Half-Left`	`Well you clicked on it, so it assumes you knew what you were doing :p`
`18:21.14`	`Vasistha`	`thanks, edgy`
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`18:21.38`	`edgy`	`Half-Left: yes I want to close one icon not the whole area ;)`
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`18:21.53`	`edgy`	`Half-Left: whatever, I change my mind so what?`
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`18:22.05`	`Half-Left`	`Well did you hide all of them or something?`
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`18:22.37`	`edgy`	`Half-Left: yes many icons are hidden with that`
`18:22.42`	`Vasistha`	`edgy: oh, that is a dev channel :) probably not for me then. Is it cool to ask KDE 3 questions here?`
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`18:22.55`	`Half-Left`	`Notifications are there for a reason, to notify you, if you miss it it's your fault, otherwise people would say they pester them`
`18:22.55`	`pinotree`	`yes`
`18:22.59`	`edgy`	`Vasistha: yes sure`
`18:23.27`	`Vasistha`	`now if I can figure out what on earth I am trying to do!`
`18:23.34`	`edgy`	`Half-Left: ok I want the notifications back, how can I bring them back?`
`18:23.40`	`Half-Left`	`If your using 4.2 the notification stays there for a while`
`18:23.49`	`Half-Left`	`stay*`
`18:24.20`	`edgy`	`Half-Left: it's no longer available!`
`18:25.32`	`Half-Left`	`maybe the notification system crashed or something`
`18:25.47`	`Half-Left`	`Look to see if it's running`
`18:26.00`	`edgy`	`Half-Left: how can I test that? ps \|grep what?`
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`18:26.36`	`edgy`	`Half-Left: /usr/bin/knotify4?`
`18:26.59`	`Half-Left`	`Ctrl, Esc`
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`18:29.58`	`Vasistha`	`Using kmail 1.9.9 and kde 3.5.10, I am still having this problem: I have multiple accounts and email identities. If someone sends a message to account D1 then it should belong to identity D1 and likewise for D2. However if a message is sent BCC to account D2 then it somehow doesn't get associated with the identity, and if I hit reply then it is trying to reply from account D1`
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`18:37.40`	`edgy`	`Half-Left: yes I have knotify4 running`
`18:37.56`	`Half-Left`	`Not sure why then`
`18:38.14`	`Half-Left`	`Maybe a update broke it or something`
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`18:39.03`	`edgy`	`Half-Left: I restarted my os and still it doesn't appear`
`18:39.23`	`Half-Left`	`What distro?`
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`18:39.34`	`edgy`	`Half-Left: kubuntu intrepid`
`18:39.47`	`Half-Left`	`Well it's not even beta yet right?`
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`18:39.52`	`Half-Left`	`Your packages`
`18:40.02`	`edgy`	`Half-Left: no no, it's stable long ago`
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`18:40.35`	`Half-Left`	`No, you get KDE4.2 from your next kubuntu release which is not stable`
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`18:42.23`	`edgy`	`Half-Left: I am not sure whether it's from backport or ppa or from main but does that really matter? I am using kde 4.2 stable so some one could help me`
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`18:42.49`	`Half-Left`	`It matters alot because they are still testing it, pre beta`
`18:43.12`	`Half-Left`	`They may add more bugs by package it or patching it`
`18:44.08`	`Vasistha`	`when using konqueror 3.5.9 for file management, I am browsing inside a folder and I would like the tree view in the left to go to the folder I'm browsing. How can I get it to open up the tree for me?`
`18:45.17`	`Vasistha`	`oh, maybe it is not showing because the hierarchy goes inside a hidden folder. darn.`
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`18:53.21`	`nille_`	`When i install programs i don't see them in kickstart or classic menu. where does kde4.2 read the .desktop from?`
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`18:54.51`	`nille_`	`Or is there an new command that should be used instead of update-desktop-database`
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`18:56.25`	`pinotree`	`nille_: you are using kde 4.2.0, aren't you?`
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`18:56.45`	`nille_`	`yes`
`18:56.55`	`nille_`	`is it fixed in svn?`
`18:57.02`	`pinotree`	`should be`
`18:57.18`	`pinotree`	`in the meanwhile, run: kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental`
`18:58.07`	`Half-Left`	`Kickoff :)`
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`19:00.49`	`yao_ziyuan`	`kde 3 is still so classic`
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`19:01.31`	`marko_d`	`anyone might know why the keyboard layout is messed up in kde, even if i turn of the layout in systemsettings, i can still change it with alt + shift`
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`19:02.00`	`marko_d`	`and when layout is on in systemsettings, the layout changes with alt + shift, but the icon stays the same`
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`19:02.30`	`venu`	`hi. How can I disable composition open/composition on kde 4.2?`
`19:02.41`	`Half-Left`	`I guess it depends on what layout you use for the country`
`19:02.56`	`venu`	`My desktop is dog slow, and I suspect it is because kwin is trying to use composition effects and opengl`
`19:03.18`	`Half-Left`	`Alt, Ctrl, F12`
`19:03.37`	`Half-Left`	`Sorry`
`19:03.48`	`marko_d`	`Half-Left: it was ok, but yesterdy i installed gnome, started it, then it broken, deleted gnome, still here`
`19:03.50`	`Half-Left`	`Alt, Shift, F12`
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`19:05.53`	`venu`	`Half-Left tbanks! that made a huge difference.`
`19:06.02`	`venu`	`onece I could get it to respond, of course`
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`19:14.55`	`_jon`	`!lenny`
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`19:15.26`	`Thev00d00`	`evening guys`
`19:15.40`	`Vasistha`	`_jon: wrong channel dude, you want #debian`
`19:16.18`	`Thev00d00`	`which files do I change to swap the KickOff menu icon?`
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`19:16.40`	`Thev00d00`	`does it use a svg or a png be default`
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`19:18.11`	`Half-Left`	`png`
`19:18.38`	`Thev00d00`	`wheres the file at? is it start-here.png`
`19:19.05`	`Half-Left`	`Somwhere like /usr/share/icons/oxygen`
`19:19.18`	`Half-Left`	`or KDEDIR`
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`19:19.41`	`Thev00d00`	`ahh ok, up to now i was only swapping the svg. Is there a command to restart plasma?`
`19:19.53`	`Thev00d00`	`killall plasma && plasma?`
`19:20.02`	`Thev00d00`	`or is there a nicer way?`
`19:20.05`	`Half-Left`	`kquitapp plasma && plasma`
`19:20.25`	`Thev00d00`	`thanks Half-Left`
`19:20.48`	`Half-Left`	`KDE4 doesn't use SVG for icons, one because of the limitations of qsvg`
`19:21.13`	`Half-Left`	`So they look better as png because you can use blur, clipping ect...`
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`19:21.50`	`Thev00d00`	`got to say KDE 4.2 is very nice, we are finally swapping to it as default next release! (w00t imo)`
`19:23.17`	`Thev00d00`	`also why im here is there a kwin4 theming gude somewhere? I cant find one for the life of me`
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`19:24.43`	`Half-Left`	`Not sure about that`
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`19:25.15`	`Half-Left`	`Maybe find something here http://techbase.kde.org/Welcome_to_KDE_TechBase`
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`19:26.14`	`Thev00d00`	`Half-Left: yeah ive looked in there already, thanks anyway`
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`19:28.15`	`peterbrett`	`Hi everyone! I was just playing with multiple monitors, and my panels seem to have disappeared without a trace`
`19:28.44`	`peterbrett`	`The only evidence that they exist is that the widgets on them are still marked as present in the Plasma "Add Widgets" dialog...`
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`19:32.19`	`Half-Left`	`Click on the red minus and then just readd the widget`
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`19:32.30`	`Half-Left`	`I think thats your best bet`
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`19:32.39`	`Half-Left`	`gone!`
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`19:36.26`	`peterbrett`	`Half-Left: Won't that mean I still have the zombie panels floating around somewhere?`
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`19:37.26`	`Half-Left`	`no because thats what the red minus does, remove them`
`19:37.54`	`peterbrett`	`Surely it just removes the widgets from the panels, it doesn't remove the panels themselves`
`19:38.11`	`Half-Left`	`Oh sure yes, not the panels`
`19:38.22`	`peterbrett`	`So how do I get rid of the zombie panels?`
`19:38.51`	`Half-Left`	`Not sure actually, remoev your plasmarc`
`19:38.55`	`Half-Left`	`remove*`
`19:39.18`	`Half-Left`	`And set plasma back to defaults`
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`19:40.02`	`peterbrett`	`I'd rather not do that if at all possible :(`
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`19:40.53`	`CD1`	`anybody also with problems on the systray?`
`19:41.09`	`peterbrett`	`Yes, it's kinda hard to move around ;)`
`19:41.11`	`Half-Left`	`What problems?`
`19:41.11`	`CD1`	`I'm using KDE 4.2 and Qt 4.5 RC1 and my systray icons aren't shown`
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`19:41.41`	`CD1`	`the tray area grows according to the number if icons, I can even click them, but I can't see them`
`19:42.04`	`Half-Left`	`it's not fully compatible really`
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`19:42.32`	`CD1`	`ah`
`19:42.34`	`Half-Left`	`Dont use Qt4.5 with 4.2 for now unless you really have to for some reason`
`19:42.34`	`CD1`	`ok`
`19:42.35`	`CD1`	`:/`
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`19:43.00`	`Half-Left`	`4.2.x (may) get bug fixed for it`
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`19:43.52`	`Half-Left`	`I heard the KDM issue is fixed in svn with Qt4.5`
`19:45.38`	`Half-Left`	`4.3 should be smoking hot with Qt4.5 :)`
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`20:07.19`	`jaffarbp`	`is there any panel spacer for KDE 4.2 ?`
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`20:07.28`	`kyskyl`	`y que paso`
`20:08.36`	`Half-Left`	`jaffarbp: No but there is in playground or on kde-look.org`
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`20:09.13`	`jaffarbp`	`Half-Left: how to use the one from playground ? (I'm on fedora 10)`
`20:09.40`	`Half-Left`	`You need to svn`
`20:10.12`	`jaffarbp`	`Half-Left: taking into consideration I have limited linux knowledge, can you just tell me what to google ?`
`20:10.13`	`Half-Left`	`I'd recommend the one off kde-look.org`
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`20:11.01`	`Half-Left`	`jaffarbp: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Panel+Spacer?content=89304`
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`20:12.12`	`jaffarbp`	`Half-Left: I get error - Error: Missing Dependency: libplasma.so.2 is needed by package kde-plasma-panelspacer-0.1-2.fc10.i386 (kde-plasma-panelspacer-0.1-2.fc10.i386.rpm)`
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`20:12.37`	`jaffarbp`	`Half-Left: and when I try to yum install libplasma.so.2 it says it's already installed`
`20:12.41`	`Half-Left`	`We dont support binary packages, ask your distro channel`
`20:12.49`	`jaffarbp`	`Half-Left: oki, thx`
`20:13.15`	`Half-Left`	`Since that person made the package, which we dont support :)`
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`20:14.46`	`jaffarbp`	`Half-Left: if I wanted to compile it from source I would have to use make etc, right ?`
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`20:15.03`	`Half-Left`	`yes, cmake usually`
`20:15.15`	`jaffarbp`	`mhm, oki I'll man it`
`20:15.57`	`Half-Left`	`You'll have to ask your distro channel about the dev package names you'll need to compile`
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`20:20.26`	`kyskyl`	`no entiendo nada aqui`
`20:20.36`	`thiago_home`	`kyskyl: /j #kde-es`
`20:21.08`	`kyskyl`	`gracias thiago ok`
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`20:34.34`	`BillyBop`	`Hi, konqueror 4.2.0 does not perform well when an authentication windows is displayed : If I focus another windows and come back on the auth. windows, I can't put my password in, It does not takes the keystrokes...`
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`20:35.52`	`lysek`	`hi`
`20:36.22`	`lysek`	`in 4.2 what command is for command center? kcontrol doesnt work`
`20:36.37`	`lysek`	`i dont have kcontrol in kmenu`
`20:36.39`	`cb400f`	`systemsettings`
`20:37.25`	`BillyBop`	`systemsettings`
`20:37.48`	`lysek`	`aha, so there is no command center anymore?`
`20:38.03`	`GraveDigger`	`nope`
`20:38.16`	`GraveDigger`	`its now called "systemsettings"`
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`20:38.57`	`BillyBop`	`How may I configure printing in kde4.2.0?`
`20:39.13`	`BillyBop`	`see nothing in systemsettings`
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`20:40.36`	`lysek`	`ok the systemsettings works but i cant see it in kmenu, and when i go in menu editor it is there`
`20:41.37`	`looonger`	`BillyBop, localhost:631`
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`20:41.54`	`shad0w`	`hey everyone`
`20:42.11`	`Half-Left`	`BillyBop: Should be in your menu called, Printing`
`20:42.12`	`BillyBop`	`looonger: there is no eye candy interface???`
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`20:42.31`	`shad0w`	`need help with kopete 0.12.7 for kde 3.5.10`
`20:42.35`	`looonger`	`BillyBop, i don't know`
`20:42.44`	`BillyBop`	`damn`
`20:42.50`	`BillyBop`	`:)`
`20:42.55`	`looonger`	`BillyBop, but it's nice and easy too`
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`20:43.07`	`shad0w`	`how when i change status to busy,automatically notifications switched off?`
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`20:43.25`	`looonger`	`just put localhost:631 in the urlbar of your browser`
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`20:43.48`	`Half-Left`	`kdeutils has printing support in 4.2`
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`20:46.13`	`BillyBop`	`Half-Left: I don't see it, strange`
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`20:46.50`	`lysek`	`systemsettings doesnt work from root?`
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`20:49.11`	`BillyBop`	`lysek: have you allowed root to lauch apps on your X server?`
`20:49.13`	`Half-Left`	`Well, you'll have to take that up with your distro, kdeutils provides a Qt front end for printing`
`20:49.31`	`BillyBop`	`Half-Left: how is it called?`
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`20:50.14`	`inanimate_`	`Why do many of the Kate highlighting styles not show up in Kate?`
`20:50.21`	`lysek`	`BillyBop, how do i do that?`
`20:50.23`	`Half-Left`	`Dont you have a Printing item in the System part of your menu?`
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`20:51.18`	`BillyBop`	`Half-Left: the cups "manage printing" item?`
`20:51.32`	`inanimate_`	`For instance, the Python highlighting file has "Operators", but there is no Operators in Kate's Text Styls.`
`20:51.34`	`inanimate_`	`*styles`
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`20:52.09`	`Half-Left`	`No`
`20:52.22`	`Half-Left`	`It Just says "Printing"`
`20:52.29`	`jaffarbp`	`how to get files from http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/panelspacer/`
`20:55.20`	`BillyBop`	`no, I don't have it... Asking on the gentoo-kde channel`
`20:55.48`	`Half-Left`	`jaffarbp: svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/panelspacer/`
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`20:57.49`	`deusr`	`KDE4.2 is not the purpose of enabling the desktop`
`20:57.54`	`deusr`	`help me!!`
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`20:59.46`	`Half-Left`	`BillyBop: Just to prove printing is in 4.2, :) http://imagebin.ca/view/OqR54OFy.html`
`21:00.36`	`jaffarbp`	`Half-Left: so I basically cmake, make, make install`
`21:00.41`	`BillyBop`	`Half-Left: lol, thanks :)`
`21:00.53`	`jaffarbp`	`Half-Left: that files that I get from svn`
`21:00.57`	`jaffarbp`	`Half-Left: right ?`
`21:01.24`	`Half-Left`	`jaffarbp: cmake . -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/"mykdeinstalldir"`
`21:01.56`	`Thev00d00`	`or use gentoo :D`
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`21:04.29`	`ninjaslim`	`blahh no Gentoo`
`21:06.08`	`kyskyl`	`hola ninjaslim`
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`21:11.28`	`Ace2017-_`	`Hi all`
`21:11.55`	`kyskyl`	`hi all`
`21:12.06`	`Ace2017-_`	`how do we configure the appearance of open/save dialogues permenantly? every time it shows i have to make the icons small and set it to the details`
`21:12.10`	`Ace2017-_`	`kyskyl: hi`
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`21:50.48`	`dadada`	`hello folks`
`21:50.57`	`dadada`	`I'm testing kde4.2 at the moment`
`21:51.24`	`dadada`	`nvidia proprietary drivers, a lot of things are lagging`
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`21:52.04`	`dadada`	`the add mini program dialog has a huge redraw problem`
`21:52.05`	`MrRat`	`dadada: what driver version?`
`21:53.13`	`Phlogi`	`is there a way to control what kde does when I use suspend to disk from the startmenu?`
`21:53.42`	`dadada`	`MrRat: 96.43.10`
`21:54.33`	`MrRat`	`Phlogi: kmenu/advanced/power management`
`21:54.55`	`Phlogi`	`MrRat: hmm I don't even run powerdevil`
`21:55.06`	`MrRat`	`Phlogi: :/`
`21:55.44`	`Phlogi`	`furthermore I can't find any settings related to this buttons`
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`21:55.56`	`MrRat`	`dadada: what card? forced to use that old driver?`
`21:56.18`	`dadada`	`MrRat: go7300, don't know, I tried a new one and it didn't work`
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`21:57.12`	`dadada`	`MrRat: sure a new driver works better with kde?`
`21:57.32`	`MrRat`	`dadada: positive,`
`21:57.44`	`dadada`	`MrRat: I can give it a second try then!`
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`21:57.58`	`MrRat`	`dadada: you may have better luck with the nv driver with that card`
`21:58.24`	`dadada`	`MrRat: except I want 3d support :)`
`22:00.33`	`MrRat`	`dadada: from what im reading you can use 180.29`
`22:00.54`	`MrRat`	`dadada: and it definately has vast improvements for kde-4.2`
`22:01.00`	`dadada`	`k`
`22:01.05`	`Foriskak`	`sometimes the kde launcher menu stops being able to launch any programs? why?`
`22:01.14`	`dadada`	`MrRat: thank you`
`22:01.27`	`dadada`	`I'll try! ciao`
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`22:07.12`	`litb`	`hi all`
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`22:07.39`	`litb`	`i have found that with the intel driver, resizing windows is alot faster with XAA than with EXA.`
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`22:08.29`	`litb`	`i wonder what is the cause of this`
`22:09.42`	`Half-Left`	`It accelerates your driver better`
`22:09.43`	`ChemBro`	`EXA is too old?`
`22:10.24`	`Half-Left`	`Some work better with EXA, some are better with XAA`
`22:10.30`	`litb`	`hmm`
`22:10.46`	`litb`	`compositing is faster with EXA, but "usual" stuff is faster with XAA`
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`22:10.58`	`litb`	`it also takes around 0.3s to switch between windows`
`22:11.39`	`litb`	`(with EXA), but it's doing instantly (iirc) with XAA. i wish we could combine the best of the two`
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`22:12.19`	`litb`	`why for funs sake do we not use opengl for everything :p Xgl ftw`
`22:13.06`	`Guest80960`	`hello`
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`22:21.14`	`Half-Left`	`litb: XGL is just opengl for xorg, AIGLX is part of xorg now which provides the OpenGL`
`22:21.35`	`Half-Left`	`XGL was a hack to show off compiz`
`22:22.10`	`litb`	`Half-Left: but it's not like Xgl. AIGLX still sidesteps the kernel graphics driver and does not build upon fbdev`
`22:22.52`	`Half-Left`	`XGL sits ontop of xorg and provides OpenGL for it`
`22:23.15`	`litb`	`and the Xserver does not use it for its 2d rendering. it's still using XAA and the 2d drivers of the graphic-card. it smells :)`
`22:23.25`	`Ace2017-_`	`is aiglx a replacement for xgl? and does it work with nvidia cards?`
`22:23.31`	`Half-Left`	`Thats different`
`22:23.55`	`litb`	`aiglx is like a "fast solution" but it's not really as nice as X(e)gl`
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`22:24.16`	`Half-Left`	`no it's not, it's a Proper solution`
`22:24.30`	`Ace2017-_`	`Xgl was amazingly fast`
`22:24.37`	`Half-Left`	`XGL was and is a hack to get xorg to have OpenGL`
`22:24.55`	`litb`	`AIGLX is just an extension to the Xserver. but there is still the old crap working in the core`
`22:25.13`	`Half-Left`	`It maybe fast but hacks usually provide a good short term solution to a big problem`
`22:25.26`	`Ace2017-_`	`will enabling aiglx give a performance boost with respect to rendering?`
`22:25.53`	`litb`	`Half-Left: no. Xgl is not a hack. Xglx was the hack that needed a separate Xserver. Xegl would have provided a proper implementation, but it required too much time and effort to implement...`
`22:26.03`	`Half-Left`	`It just provides OpenGL composting to xorg, thats all`
`22:26.12`	`litb`	`so the crowd preferred AIGLX...`
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`22:26.33`	`Half-Left`	`You have it mixed up man, sorry`
`22:26.50`	`Half-Left`	`XGL was never the solution`
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`22:26.57`	`cirzgamanti`	`hi, when i upgrade to kde4, will programs like amarok still work?`
`22:27.17`	`litb`	`Half-Left: no, the Xegl stack would have provided one graphics stack, from fbdev up to EGL over glitz, cairo then Xrender (i think) or the Xgl server. it would have been a nice stack but require a complete overhaul`
`22:27.50`	`Half-Left`	`XGL was a pure hack, only opensuse use it`
`22:27.53`	`litb`	`anyway, it seems like everyone has his own "theory" what Xgl is and what it is not. i would wish someone knowledgable would write a clear and professional article about it :)`
`22:28.26`	`litb`	`Half-Left: you refer to Xglx . that was the big hack :p`
`22:28.48`	`Half-Left`	`Like I said, XGL is only part of the story`
`22:29.05`	`Half-Left`	`it was short term to get OpenGL composting`
`22:29.30`	`Half-Left`	`And was here way before Novell go there hands on it`
`22:29.47`	`amalon`	`cirzgamanti: i have amarok 2 working ok with kde 4.2, so i don't see why not`
`22:30.18`	`Ace2017-_`	`amarok is independent of kde isn't it?`
`22:30.24`	`Half-Left`	`yes`
`22:30.36`	`cirzgamanti`	`amalon: is there an overview of what will be lost when upgrading to 4.2 (which is the version debian testing has i guess) ?`
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`22:30.48`	`litb`	`no, there was a long term vision that we could have a clean graphic stack from the hardware up to the compositing manager using EGL. Xglx was a "proof of concept" and was the real hack. but redhat was clever and aiglx is like a "let's do it progressively" solution`
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`22:30.57`	`cirzgamanti`	`ah ok, i thought amarok is native kde.`
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`22:31.29`	`amalon`	`cirzgamanti: i'm not sure. i had the old amarok working fine under kde before kde 4.2 came out too`
`22:31.38`	`hkais1`	`hello is there an url file handler under kde to open geneirc files to display?`
`22:31.43`	`Half-Left`	`it's a KDE app in the sense it intergrates with it well, it's not maintained by KDE devs`
`22:31.48`	`Ace2017-_`	`CrisAWAY: 4.2 is in debian experimental`
`22:31.58`	`litb`	`Half-Left: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xegl`
`22:32.09`	`Ace2017-_`	`cirzgamanti: 4.2 is in experimental`
`22:32.13`	`litb`	`im sorry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xegl`
`22:32.17`	`cirzgamanti`	`Half-Left: and doesn't used the kde api probably`
`22:32.43`	`amalon`	`hkais1: like konqueror?`
`22:33.14`	`Half-Left`	`litb: I dont read from wiki, it's been known to we inaccurate :p`
`22:33.19`	`Half-Left`	`be*`
`22:33.35`	`tsdgeos`	`Half-Left: like every other publication in earth?`
`22:33.37`	`Half-Left`	`cirzgamanti: It uses KDE4 tech yes`
`22:34.15`	`Half-Left`	`I'd rather get my knowledge and facts somewhere else thanks`
`22:34.41`	`litb`	`Half-Left: freedesktop.org has also a nice site and diagram: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Xegl haha`
`22:35.22`	`Half-Left`	`It doesn't change the fact that XGL is dead now, I guess it's the VHS VS betamax :p`
`22:35.31`	`litb`	`:p`
`22:35.48`	`litb`	`yeah, too bad. maybe one day ppl start continue working on the linux graphics revolution`
`22:36.00`	`Half-Left`	`Well, dead in the sense that only opensuse use it and they use force it on there users so`
`22:36.27`	`litb`	`yeah, opensuse use a hacky implementation of it :/`
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`22:37.15`	`Half-Left`	`They maintain it so thats not a excuse`
`22:37.33`	`litb`	`they maintain a hack, yeah haha`
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`22:37.39`	`hkais1`	`amalon: no something like "rundll32 url.dll,FileProtocolHanlder my.pdf"`
`22:38.07`	`cirzgamanti`	`just realized my first kde version was 1.x :) 3.x was great, can't wait for 4.x`
`22:38.38`	`litb`	`Half-Left: at least this kernel mode setting stuff will help while switching from X to virtual terminal and will stop flickering. im not really familiar with the stuff but i think it will also help avoid crashes in between`
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`22:39.33`	`Half-Left`	`litb: Only that it requirers driver suppport, so it's pretty useless until then`
`22:39.49`	`litb`	`yeah :/`
`22:40.01`	`thiago_home`	`cirzgamanti: why are you waiting then?`
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`22:40.48`	`amalon`	`hkais1: i saw something like that for kde somewhere..`
`22:41.40`	`hkais1`	`@all: could someone provide me the informations of the java console after opening this link? http://javafx.com/samples/DragAndDrop/index.html`
`22:42.02`	`hkais1`	`In the java console press "c" and then "s"`
`22:42.18`	`cirzgamanti`	`thiago: it came into debian testing only today, and i'm trying to get a clean install.`
`22:43.33`	`hkais1`	`amalon: under gnome, there is a gnome-url-show`
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`22:48.28`	`amalon`	`can't find it`
`22:49.05`	`JackWinter`	`i have a problem on kde 4.1 (kubuntu 8.10). when i add programs like say wine, it ends up in the lost & found and not in it's own paarrt of the k menu ? any ideas how to fix ?`
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`22:52.38`	`cirzgamanti`	`kpdf isn't in 4.x? what's used instead?`
`22:52.43`	`thiago_home`	`okular`
`22:53.06`	`cirzgamanti`	`hm, interesting, kpdf was really good, so okular must be... great :)`
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`22:56.17`	`amalon`	`cirzgamanti: okular is great :) i use it during lectures as it allows me to make extra notes on the pdf slides`
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`22:56.35`	`Insomniakfr`	`hi`
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`22:58.58`	`Insomniakfr`	`I've a small problem with kde4`
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`23:00.16`	`cirzgamanti`	`Insert_Name_Here: good :) (that it's small)`
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`23:01.09`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`I tested KDE4.1 today on the Ubuntu 8.10 LiveCD and I was not satisfied. I think KDE3 is superior to the new KDE4.`
`23:01.20`	`Insomniakfr`	`mib_mjiqwe: Try kde 4.2 :)`
`23:01.35`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Insomniakfr: Has much changed?`
`23:01.46`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`kde 3.5 is what I use still. Kde 4.2 is getting there, but kde 3.5 is still more powerful`
`23:01.52`	`Insomniakfr`	`MMmh`
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`23:02.00`	`Insomniakfr`	`kde 3.5 is more powerful`
`23:02.11`	`Insomniakfr`	`But kde 4.2 is smarter`
`23:02.16`	`Insomniakfr`	`(sorry for my pretty bad english)`
`23:02.37`	`Insomniakfr`	`kde 4.2 is more friendly-user than kde 3.5`
`23:02.37`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`3.5 is rock solid, too`
`23:02.41`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Insomniakfr: How is it smarter?`
`23:02.56`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`KDE3 seems to have more features, customality, easyness.`
`23:03.05`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`configurability*`
`23:03.14`	`Insomniakfr`	`kde 4.2 is now easier to use than kde 3.5, in my point of view`
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`23:03.36`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`I'd say that the default configuration of KDE4.1 is quite easy.`
`23:03.42`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`But who never configures their DE?`
`23:03.48`	`Insomniakfr`	`hehe :p`
`23:03.53`	`Insomniakfr`	`But kde 4.2 is very easy to configure`
`23:04.02`	`Insomniakfr`	`You can download plasmoid easily`
`23:04.10`	`Insomniakfr`	`It's integrated in the plasmoid manager`
`23:04.34`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Who needs Plasmoid?`
`23:04.52`	`Insomniakfr`	`Guys who like to have a beautiful desktop like me :p`
`23:05.07`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Configuring panels is like playing a puzzel game.`
`23:05.24`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Insomniakfr: KDE3 with grey panels is beautiful to me.`
`23:05.25`	`marko_d`	`Insomniakfr: screenshot`
`23:05.39`	`guaxinim`	`a puzzle where you dont know when its solved =P`
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`23:05.39`	`Insomniakfr`	`wait a little`
`23:05.43`	`guaxinim`	`just your feeling can say that`
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`23:06.09`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`I miss the old kmenu.`
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`23:06.27`	`marko_d`	`mib_mjiqwe: it is there`
`23:06.42`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`There's an option to revert to it but it can't be configured how I want it.`
`23:06.45`	`Insomniakfr`	`http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1608/screenkde422xu4.jpg < my last desktop`
`23:06.49`	`Insomniakfr`	`Very simple`
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`23:07.03`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`I like the settings menu and quick browser menu`
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`23:07.14`	`Insomniakfr`	`I use opensuse`
`23:07.17`	`JackWinter`	`unhappy with kubuntu's kde 4.1. think i'm gonna install 4.2 tomorrow...`
`23:07.22`	`Insomniakfr`	`The opensuse menu is very useful`
`23:07.25`	`marko_d`	`cool`
`23:07.32`	`Insomniakfr`	`With the search function`
`23:07.58`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`kickoff is a bit slow, though`
`23:08.11`	`Insomniakfr`	`Insert_Name_Here: The last kickoff ?`
`23:08.11`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`I usually just alt+f2 to run things anyway, though`
`23:08.26`	`Insomniakfr`	`Yes`
`23:08.36`	`Insomniakfr`	`But kde 4.2 is less geek, more friendly-user, i think`
`23:08.39`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`I tried 4.1.85, but not the release version`
`23:08.53`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`apparantly they removed tree view?`
`23:08.59`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`I'm sticking with KDE3 for as long as I can.`
`23:09.06`	`Insomniakfr`	`Insert_Name_Here: Tree view ?`
`23:09.11`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`I miss the old kcontrolcenter`
`23:09.12`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`for files`
`23:09.22`	`Insomniakfr`	`Mmmh`
`23:09.24`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`And I miss Konqueror.`
`23:09.27`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`yeah, kcontrolcenter was a lot better`
`23:09.35`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`there's still konqueror`
`23:09.35`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Insert_Name_Here: Definitely.`
`23:09.43`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Dolphin is for noobs.`
`23:09.44`	`xbullethammer`	`I think that systemsettings is better`
`23:09.53`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`konqueror is still, slow`
`23:09.54`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`xbullethammer: You think wrong.`
`23:09.55`	`Insomniakfr`	`Yes, dolphin is for noobs`
`23:09.59`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`so I use firefox`
`23:10.03`	`Insomniakfr`	`That's what kde4 is for`
`23:10.12`	`Insomniakfr`	`Kde 4 is for all users`
`23:10.17`	`Insomniakfr`	`Not only a geek elite :)`
`23:10.17`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Insert_Name_Here: I use Firefox for web browsing and Konqueror for file managing.`
`23:10.21`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`I mainly use konqueror for file browsing and sftp and such`
`23:10.25`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`and svn`
`23:10.46`	`Insomniakfr`	`kde4 is being a very modern desktop, compared to gnome or kde3`
`23:10.49`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`because kioslaves rock`
`23:10.51`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Insomniakfr: They are oversimplifying KDE. I like KDE3 because it's not overly simplified.`
`23:11.00`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Insomniakfr: KDE3 is modern`
`23:11.08`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`KDE3 is the most modern IMHO`
`23:11.24`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`nah, kde4 is definitely more modern`
`23:11.25`	`xbullethammer`	`mib_mjiqwe: now KDE is for the masses not geek-only anymore`
`23:11.41`	`marko_d`	`mib_mjiqwe: KDE3 has old code`
`23:11.45`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`xbullethammer: I'm not a geek but I find KDE3 easier to configure to how I like it.`
`23:11.52`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`marko_d: Old code that works.`
`23:12.01`	`marko_d`	`kabooodle, artsd ....`
`23:12.08`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`I don't use those.`
`23:12.09`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`the api was limiting them, though`
`23:12.18`	`xbullethammer`	`haha but the masses never touch the settings ;)`
`23:12.19`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`so it's going to take a while for things to get back to stable`
`23:12.26`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`xbullethammer: I do.`
`23:12.37`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`The first thing I do when I install something is go straight to the settings.`
`23:12.43`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`They're never how I want them.`
`23:12.50`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`yeah. look at how many widows users are using the "owner" account :P`
`23:12.55`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`I installed Diablo 2 today.`
`23:12.59`	`xbullethammer`	`mib_mjiqwe: what percent of the world do YOU represent?`
`23:13.29`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`xbullethammer: 6,000,000,000,000/60,000,000 perhaps?`
`23:13.40`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Or the other way around.`
`23:14.02`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`I also represent all the people in the world with a cold.`
`23:14.17`	`pinotree`	`you just represent yourself`
`23:14.24`	`xbullethammer`	`mib_mjiqwe: so you could have built your own DE`
`23:14.34`	`xbullethammer`	`or your own OS :D`
`23:14.37`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`pinotree: An average, British teenage male, with a cold.`
`23:14.46`	`pinotree`	`yes, but just once`
`23:14.48`	`pinotree`	`*one`
`23:15.03`	`Insert_Name_Here`	`I hope qt 4.5 comes out soon. I need the QWebKit patches :(`
`23:15.10`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`pinotree: But there must be millions like me who want the same things.`
`23:15.34`	`pinotree`	`far too lesssss...`
`23:16.10`	`amalon`	`surely there's no reason kde can't cater for both`
`23:16.19`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`amalon: KDE3 did.`
`23:16.29`	`pinotree`	`and kde4 can too`
`23:16.40`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`pinotree: But it's lacking so much ATM.`
`23:16.45`	`pinotree`	`like?`
`23:16.54`	`marko_d`	`kde3 vs. 4 is boooooring`
`23:16.55`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`pinotree: The old kcontrolcentre.`
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`23:17.17`	`pinotree`	`there's systemsettings, which is just a different layout`
`23:17.33`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`pinotree: And has less configuration settings and no tree view.`
`23:17.39`	`Insomniakfr`	`Ah`
`23:17.45`	`pinotree`	`dolphin has a tree view`
`23:17.46`	`Insomniakfr`	`You say, 'kcontrol' ?`
`23:17.56`	`pinotree`	`and, which "less configuration settings"?`
`23:17.57`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Insomniakfr: Indeed.`
`23:18.15`	`Insomniakfr`	`Kcontrol was cool, yes, but very difficult to use for a noob`
`23:18.16`	`marko_d`	`i used kde4 svn since march last year, somewhere in november i switched to kde3 because svn was starting to "shake" a lot, now i use kde 4.2`
`23:18.17`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Window-specific Settings`
`23:18.21`	`Insomniakfr`	`Too many menus`
`23:18.26`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Panels`
`23:18.32`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Insomniakfr: I like the masses of menus.`
`23:18.36`	`pinotree`	`window-specific settings are still there`
`23:18.40`	`Insomniakfr`	`mib_mjiqwe: There is windows specific settings in kde 4.2 :)`
`23:18.45`	`Insomniakfr`	`There is panels`
`23:19.03`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Insomniakfr: Barely.`
`23:19.14`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Insomniakfr: They are so difficult to make them small.`
`23:19.28`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`I tried to shrink it vertically but it appeared at the top of my screen.`
`23:19.32`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`The icons don't shrink.`
`23:19.37`	`Insomniakfr`	`mmh`
`23:19.46`	`pinotree`	`which kde version are you using?`
`23:19.59`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`pinotree: KDE3 but I trialed KDE4.1 today`
`23:20.00`	`pinotree`	`it seems you are using kde 4.1.4, correct?`
`23:20.03`	`xbullethammer`	`It is funny to see how mib_mjiqwe will never be happy even if his complaints aren't valid :D`
`23:20.10`	`Insomniakfr`	`Well, ok, difficult to have a vertical menu in kde 4.2`
`23:20.11`	`pinotree`	`then try kde 4.2`
`23:20.25`	`Insomniakfr`	`but vertical menu are NOT useful X)`
`23:20.30`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`I wanted a small, horizontal panel at the bottom of my screen.`
`23:20.43`	`Insomniakfr`	`a, in kde 4.2, you can do it easily`
`23:20.47`	`pinotree`	`it is possible`
`23:20.48`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`I only have 600 vertical pixels.`
`23:21.00`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Insomniakfr: I can do it easily in KDE3`
`23:21.14`	`pinotree`	`ditto in kde4`
`23:21.26`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`pinotree: Which liveCD has KDE4 in it?`
`23:21.27`	`pinotree`	`as i said, try kde 4.2`
`23:21.31`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`I must test it.`
`23:21.41`	`sandsmark`	`here's my 4.2 setup: http://photo.klette.us/i/17/11397-screenie20.png`
`23:21.46`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`I won't complain about KDE4 any more until I trial KDE4.2`
`23:21.47`	`Insomniakfr`	`mib_mjiqwe: Maybe last ubuntu`
`23:21.50`	`Insomniakfr`	`Opensuse use kde 4.1`
`23:21.56`	`sandsmark`	`I can't really shrink the bottom panel more, because of the systray`
`23:22.03`	`pinotree`	`mib_mjiqwe: http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/`
`23:22.03`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Insomniakfr: The latest Ubuntu uses 4.1`
`23:22.32`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`pinotree: That's 4.2 is it?`
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`23:22.45`	`pinotree`	`as there's written on the page, yes :)`
`23:22.53`	`kev009`	`where does korganizer keep its settings?`
`23:23.18`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`Downloading...`
`23:23.48`	`Insomniakfr`	`MMmh, but ok`
`23:23.52`	`Insomniakfr`	`i've a bit problem`
`23:23.59`	`mib_mjiqwe`	`pinotree: I'll be back tomorrow to say what KDE4 still lacks that KDE3 has.`
`23:24.18`	`Insomniakfr`	`When i launch plasma, there's plasmoids that are starting`
`23:24.23`	`Insomniakfr`	`I delete them`
`23:24.29`	`Insomniakfr`	`But when i launch plasma again`
`23:24.33`	`amalon`	`kev009: ~/.kde/share/config/korganizerrc and ~/.kde/share/apps/korganizer i expect`
`23:24.35`	`Insomniakfr`	`This plasmoids start again`
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`23:26.40`	`Insomniakfr`	`I tried to change some settings in ~/.kde4/share/config/appletplasmarc`
`23:26.46`	`Insomniakfr`	`but it changed nothing`
`23:26.47`	`Insomniakfr`	`=/`
`23:27.18`	`marko_d`	`Insomniakfr: just set up plasma as you like and run kquitapp plasma && plasma`
`23:27.32`	`marko_d`	`you run 4.1 ?`
`23:27.35`	`Insomniakfr`	`4.2`
`23:27.39`	`Insomniakfr`	`i'll try this, ok`
`23:28.15`	`marko_d`	`4.2 should remmember everything`
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`23:28.20`	`Insomniakfr`	`aaah fuck`
`23:28.26`	`Insomniakfr`	`The plasmoids come again`
`23:28.39`	`Insomniakfr`	`That's very strange`
`23:28.49`	`Insomniakfr`	`The plasmoids are not configured`
`23:29.05`	`Insomniakfr`	`And the plasmoids that i've not deleted before restarting plasma are configured`
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`23:30.06`	`hkais1`	`is there an url file handler under kde to open geneirc files to display?`
`23:30.27`	`hkais1`	`something like "rundll32 url.dll,FileProtocolHanlder my.pdf"`
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`23:31.40`	`Insomniakfr`	`hkais1: You mean, kioslaves ? like 'smb://192.168.0.3' or 'ftp://myftp.com' ?`
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`23:31.41`	`cirzgamanti`	`how does annotation work in okular? does it save it in an extra file?`
`23:31.55`	`pinotree`	`cirzgamanti: http://okular.kde.org/faq.php`
`23:33.16`	`hkais1`	`Insomniakfr: no I just want to open arbitary files from my application with the users preferred application. E.g. arcoread or xpdf; gimp or kview.... Just the default app for the registered file-type`
`23:33.21`	`amalon`	`cirzgamanti: it appears to save it in the okular config files in .kde, linked to the url (so if its off the internet, its best to download it before anotation)`
`23:33.32`	`Insomniakfr`	`hkais1: Aaaaaaaah`
`23:33.34`	`Insomniakfr`	`Ok`
`23:33.41`	`Insomniakfr`	`Yes, there's something to do that`
`23:33.47`	`Insomniakfr`	`But i've forgot the name of the appli -_-`
`23:34.04`	`thiago_home`	`hkais1: xdg-open`
`23:34.07`	`cirzgamanti`	`interesting.`
`23:34.23`	`Insomniakfr`	`thiago_home: There's a kde way to do that`
`23:34.57`	`thiago_home`	`yes, it's xdg-open`
`23:34.58`	`hkais1`	`@thiago_home: is xdg-open a default installation with kde?`
`23:35.09`	`thiago_home`	`it's present in any modern, half-decent distribution`
`23:35.11`	`amalon`	`cirzgamanti: more specifically to ~/.kde/share/apps/okular/docdata/ in a file for each pdf`
`23:35.42`	`Insomniakfr`	`thiago_home: well, there's another application which do it in kde... but can't remember the name`
`23:35.55`	`thiago_home`	`Insomniakfr: kfmclient?`
`23:35.59`	`thiago_home`	`that's what xdg-open runs`
`23:36.15`	`Insomniakfr`	`Aaah ok :)`
`23:36.16`	`thiago_home`	`but xdg-open is the recommended way`
`23:36.29`	`Insomniakfr`	`Thanks, i'll slept less stupid tonight :p`
`23:36.33`	`Insomniakfr`	`*sleep`
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`23:37.41`	`hkais1`	`thiago_home: my problem is not if it is available through packagemanagement. my problem is if it is available with a default install of kde`
`23:38.15`	`thiago_home`	`it's not part of KDE`
`23:38.34`	`thiago_home`	`but it's available in any half-decent distribution released in the past 2-3 years`
`23:38.41`	`thiago_home`	`you can, of course, ship it with your own program`
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`23:41.19`	mind`of`lunatic	`hi`
`23:41.35`	mind`of`lunatic	`when will k3b use kd4?`
`23:41.48`	`thiago_home`	`it already does`
`23:42.18`	mind`of`lunatic	`oh my bad I got the old version`
`23:42.20`	`hkais1`	`thiago_home: thanks for your advice, but I am not allowed to modify it with my app. Therefore I need a default-app for each desktop, even if xdg-open solves my problem, but not the problem on the installed desktops`
`23:42.33`	mind`of`lunatic	`sorry for my uninfromed complain`
`23:43.07`	`thiago_home`	`you don't have to modify it`
`23:43.10`	`thiago_home`	`you just have to bundle it`
`23:43.20`	`thiago_home`	`and you can rely on it being there`
`23:43.31`	`thiago_home`	`it was created for applications that need to open handlers for files`
`23:44.06`	`hkais1`	`thiago_home: I have a distibution for mac, windows, linux, solaris. So i cannot bundle it.`
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`23:45.29`	`hkais1`	`kfmclient is this the other way to open files under kde?`
`23:45.32`	mind`of`lunatic	`does this work on OSx?`
`23:45.45`	profoX`	`Hi.. is there a distro that has KDE 4.2 (or even better nightly builds) packages + Qt 4.5 packages?`
`23:45.50`	mind`of`lunatic	`is this stuff available in macports?`
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`23:46.13`	profoX`	`(preferably a distro version in RC or final, although beta will do as well)`
`23:48.09`	`thiago_home`	`hkais1: looks like two of those 4 actually can have it`
`23:48.19`	`thiago_home`	`hkais1: no, the way to open is xdg-open`
`23:48.25`	`thiago_home`	`use it. That's what it was created for.`
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`23:48.34`	`hkais1`	`I have to support a list of desktops. the desktops itself run under various operating systems. The only thing i can be sure. It can be windows, Gnome, KDE, MacOS. And for each dekstop I do need the default handling of opening arbitary files.`
`23:49.05`	`thiago_home`	`and why wouldn't you be able to have a small shell script?`
`23:49.34`	`hkais1`	`thiago_home: since it is not a default installation then KDE is installed, it does not solve my problem... If KDE has no possibility to open arbitary files, i must stop the support for it.`
`23:49.45`	`hkais1`	`thiago_home: yes`
`23:49.59`	`thiago_home`	`"yes" is not an answer to a "why" question`
`23:51.13`	`thiago_home`	`I've given you the answer`
`23:51.19`	`thiago_home`	`if you choose to ignore it, it's your problem.`
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`23:54.07`	`hkais1`	`thiago_home: thx for the hint! I the shell script is my solution. kfmclient exec....`
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`23:54.49`	`hkais1`	`I the/ In the`
`23:55.02`	`thiago_home`	`and why can't you use the shell script?`
`23:55.06`	`thiago_home`	`which does everything you need`
`23:57.02`	`hkais1`	`thiago_home: 1. do not want to maintain something out of my scope. 2. I need more control over my code. the script is to generic to parse the possible errors`
`23:57.02`	`hkais1`	`Therefore I need the default handling on every dedicated Desktop. xdg-open is not the default.`
`23:57.45`	`hkais1`	`Therefore thanks for your solution. I will personally use the xdg-open, but for my problem it won't solve it`
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