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| 00:03.43 | caotic | hi I switched monitors (this one supports a smaller resolution :( ) but now whenever I start kde plasma crashes (runing plasma again crashes also) any suggestion for fixing this problem ? |
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| 00:17.04 | WarriorSlayer | hi there, where can i find any tutorial or documentation for creating desktop widgets? |
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| 00:20.05 | Jucato | WarriorSlayer: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma and #plasma |
| 00:20.27 | WarriorSlayer | Jucato, ty very much :] |
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| 00:35.33 | sputnick | is anybody knows if it's possible to pick up the KDEmod from archlinux for my debian sid ? |
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| 00:39.48 | szal | sputnick: you can try, but entirely at your own risk |
| 00:39.56 | sputnick | :) |
| 00:40.05 | sputnick | don't even know how |
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| 00:48.36 | sputnick | brunoqc: I don't find imageUploader plasmoid |
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| 00:48.48 | sputnick | ( archlinux+kde4.2 ) |
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| 00:49.39 | brunoqc | sputnick: it's called pastebin |
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| 00:50.22 | AssociateX | Hi all. |
| 00:51.37 | AssociateX | kde4, if I leave my desktop for a while the screen saver comes up and I have to put in my user password to unlock it. How do I get around that? I just want to move my mouse to get to my desktop. |
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| 00:52.53 | AssociateX | I looked at system settings>Desktop>Screen saver and and made sure " |
| 00:52.54 | AssociateX | Thank you for telling me about what your Dad used to say of me. What he said means a lot to me. Thank you. |
| 00:52.56 | AssociateX | That story that your Mom told you was probably one of your Dads fondest memories of me. I'll tell you why. |
| 00:52.57 | AssociateX | Your Mom found her self in a bad situation and calls your Dad. Your Dad, Nick Vargas(do you know that name too?), Stan, and I hop in the car and head out to where you Mom is at(it was after dark). When we get there there were two eses' from Chiquez in the front yard ready to throw down with us. |
| 00:52.59 | AssociateX | We get out and walk up and one dude had a baseball bat so your Dad, Stan, and Nick square off with them but don't want to get hit with the bat. Mind you, I'm a crazy White boy but most people didn't look at me as the main threat, those eses' were looking at the other three I was with, not me. So what do I do? I see one of those lawn chairs with the feet section, so it's like a three section lawn chair and it's one of those older heavier ones, |
| 00:53.00 | AssociateX | it was folded up on the lawn. I grab that folded up lawn chair and held it at my side so it was hard to see from those dudes... plus it was dark out like I mentioned above. I got about 7-8 feet away from them and they didn't even look at me. I threw my weight into it and swung like hell and the very end of that chair caught one dude right in the head. I knocked him right out cold. |
| 00:53.03 | AssociateX | Your Dad gives one of the best ever soccer kicks right to that ese's face, everyone else start stomping on him. |
| 00:53.05 | AssociateX | That other ese is the one with the bat, I go after him next and he drops his bat and starts running, lol, on the friggin' Avenue, that's my friggin' neighborhood. I'm really healthy and really fast at the time and I'm chasing that fool down, man he's booking it, too, but we ran over some grass and across a driveway where my body got ahead of me and I stumbled. He got a good lead on me off that. I tried finding him but couldn't. |
| 00:53.10 | AssociateX | Now your Dad thought that me knocking that dude out with a lawn chair was one of the funniest things ever. Your Dad would laugh and say how embarassed that ese must be to go back to his homies and have to explain how he got knocked out with a lawn chair. Your Dad would laugh and hit his hand and then cover his mouth while laughing as he retold that story. |
| 00:53.15 | AssociateX | I hope you enjoyed that story... it might be a little crazy for some. |
| 00:53.17 | AssociateX | Your Dad was cool. He had a smile that would make me smile. He was a good dude who I never had to worry about having my back... back when we lived a crazy life. |
| 00:53.22 | AssociateX | Take care, |
| 00:53.26 | AssociateX | Ethan~ |
| 00:53.28 | AssociateX | sorry about that |
| 00:53.48 | AssociateX | wow, sorry about that paste snafu, really |
| 00:54.29 | pedepy | so ... my add widget dialog lists some plasmoids which I seem to have installed but then i says it cannot find that 'component' |
| 00:55.20 | AssociateX | I looked at system settings>Desktop>Screen saver and and made sure "require password to stop" what unchecked. |
| 00:55.31 | pedepy | what could it be |
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| 00:57.47 | brunoqc | AssociateX: do you have a laptop? |
| 00:59.04 | AssociateX | no |
| 00:59.25 | AssociateX | a white box desktop |
| 00:59.54 | brunoqc | maybe you can still check in system settings->advanced->"energy something.. (the lightbulb)" |
| 01:00.07 | AssociateX | looking now |
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| 01:03.18 | AssociateX | brunoqc: yeah, I think that was it. Power management>edit profiles>performance. |
| 01:03.37 | AssociateX | see you later, I hope that shuts that off. |
| 01:03.42 | AssociateX | thank you. |
| 01:04.04 | brunoqc | AssociateX: I hope it work, you're welcome |
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| 01:37.39 | rushfan | Is there a strigi gui for kde4? |
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| 01:48.39 | progenitus | Hi, in KDE 3.5, where do I go to change my keyboard layout? |
| 01:48.55 | Zombie | KDE Control Center |
| 01:49.27 | progenitus | ./facepalm |
| 01:51.53 | progenitus | so used to gnome :) |
| 01:52.11 | progenitus | not used to a centralized control center, hehe. |
| 01:52.13 | progenitus | thanks |
| 01:52.32 | Jucato | (gnome has a centralized control center as well) |
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| 02:04.51 | doleyb | What is a simple way to get an input-level meter to test microphone? |
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| 02:10.19 | szal | doleyb: analog VU meter plasmoid? |
| 02:12.32 | doleyb | szal: plasmoids are yucky, but okay... |
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| 02:48.02 | underdog5004 | so, I'm running kde4, and I was wondering how I can do a zoom-desktop thing with meta+button4/5 (roll up/down on my mouse) |
| 02:48.04 | underdog5004 | I can do other keys, but not mouse buttons |
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| 03:00.45 | desijuan | hy |
| 03:00.57 | desijuan | i have a question about konqueror |
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| 03:04.51 | desijuan | on kde 3.5, when i hit a key in konqueror, it goes to the file that has a filetype begining with that letter, and not the filename that beginns with that letter |
| 03:06.35 | desijuan | can someone tell me how to configure konqueror, so that when i hit "d" in my home folder, it selects Desktop (or the first file begining with "d") and not the first *.dvi? as an example |
| 03:07.30 | desijuan | *.dvi or the first file that has a filetype begining with "d" |
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| 03:14.16 | desijuan | i found the answer in google :P |
| 03:14.19 | desijuan | bye |
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| 03:33.51 | aanderse | hey does anyone know why ghns might not be working on my debian unstable/experimental kde4.2.1 fresh install? is it possible i'm missing a package? |
| 03:36.02 | aanderse | whenever i go into a GHNS window it takes a min then shows this error "There was an error loading data providers." |
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| 03:47.38 | ryanCH | anyone have any experience installing themes on kde 4+ ? |
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| 04:07.39 | gobostone | I would like to thank all you wonderfull devs for making kde 4.2 a success IMO |
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| 05:12.39 | jaem | is there an easy way to make a key (power button on an N810, in this case) bring up the shutdown dialog in KDE 4.2.1? |
| 05:21.57 | brunoqc | jaem: with a laptop we can change the power button behavior in system setting->advanced->the lightbulb energy thing, and editing profiles |
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| 05:23.29 | jaem | thanks, but AFAIK, the hardware key is interpreted as a normal keystroke |
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| 05:23.32 | jaem | or so I'm told |
| 05:24.05 | jaem | but it's not a big deal anyhow |
| 05:24.13 | jaem | after all |
| 05:24.15 | jaem | thanks anyway |
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| 06:16.47 | scientes | instead of fing with them |
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| 06:30.54 | GlenOgilvie | Hi |
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| 06:49.03 | mib_869dpb | kde 4.2 fedora - whenever i open a new program it shows up on the left in the taskbar .. in kde3.5 it would show up on the right .. i like it to the right .. how do i implement this? |
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| 07:27.37 | Dumble | is there a mean to see all notifications sent to knotify in the last hour ? |
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| 07:39.13 | mkpaa | digikam 0.10 repositories are available, see http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/434#comment-18365 |
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| 08:05.07 | beardbar | kde crashed when kpackagekit was about 70% done with its updates, when i came back from the crash, and ran kpackagekit it said no updates available, should i be worried? should I do anything? |
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| 08:09.55 | cuznt | http://www.awwpix.com/_pics/Cute_Pictures_53/Cute_Pictures_5312.jpg |
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| 08:11.32 | EugenA | i cannot start start "konsole" from alt+f1-menu and from alt+f2... why?? |
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| 08:13.02 | MaNI | when I try to open a certain folder in dolphin via krunner it instead opens dolphin with the folder /home/MaNI/â½æ¹´â½ç¯ç¡æ¥ any ideas why this might happen? |
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| 08:14.28 | corinth | What's the difference between the Oxygen and Ozone window decoration themes? |
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| 08:20.14 | Simkin | in 3.5.10 konqueror would show a preview of a picture if you held the mouse over it |
| 08:20.19 | Simkin | how do you get that behaviour in 4.2.1 ? |
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| 08:23.21 | blauzahl | in folderview or dolphin? |
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| 08:33.53 | iomari | how can I add programs to my desktop folder view with icons? |
| 08:34.16 | iomari | that's kde 4.2.65 |
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| 08:44.28 | MoDaX | iomari: create a desktop file (right click->create new -> link to a application) |
| 08:46.33 | iomari | MoDaX, I don't use icons on my desktop. I want them on the transparent desktop folder view. |
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| 08:56.47 | _RadioHead | morning |
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| 09:01.58 | Finswimmer | Hello, is there a way to backup all settings from KMail1.11.1 (KDE4.2)? |
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| 09:04.27 | cb400f | Finswimmer: copy .kde4/share/config/kmailrc |
| 09:05.07 | cb400f | there are a few other files too if by "settings" you also mean identities, addressbook etc. |
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| 09:05.35 | Finswimmer | cb400f: Just "Filters,POP" |
| 09:06.01 | cb400f | kmailrc should be enough then |
| 09:06.32 | cb400f | if you backup your entire ~/.kde4/ + ~/.kde/ you're sure you won't lose anything |
| 09:07.29 | Finswimmer | cb400f: Thanks :) |
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| 09:16.04 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | hello... |
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| 09:18.49 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | in kde4...how do i create two panels? :D |
| 09:19.17 | draugdel | right click desktop -> create panel |
| 09:19.29 | draugdel | widgets must be unlocked |
| 09:19.38 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | ... |
| 09:19.40 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | thx... |
| 09:19.44 | draugdel | :) |
| 09:19.46 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | i'm like...totally lost in it |
| 09:20.27 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | and how do i move something from the lower panel to the upper? |
| 09:20.58 | thunder71 | drag 'n drop |
| 09:21.08 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | doesn't work... |
| 09:21.22 | thunder71 | unlock |
| 09:21.40 | draugdel | drag'n'drop with the desktop as stop in between? |
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| 09:22.14 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | draugdel, u win an internet! |
| 09:22.27 | draugdel | cool :) |
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| 09:24.37 | The_Ball_ | I can't disable the screensaver in 4.2, is there any way I can kill it? |
| 09:25.00 | The_Ball_ | It keeps coming back after 10 min even though it is disabled |
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| 09:25.37 | Prathibha | where I can find the kDE desktop architecture? |
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| 09:27.56 | oneforall | just wonder for qt4 should I have qt3 installed for it to work with it? . I will have it . but maybe its better I recompile qt3 first ? |
| 09:28.10 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | draugdel, i'm kinda getting the hang of it ::) |
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| 09:28.43 | draugdel | i0nC4nn0n|wrk: yeah, it is just a matter of practise :) |
| 09:28.57 | oneforall | I just seen somehtign flash by so quick about qt3 |
| 09:30.29 | Jucato | oneforall: you don't need qt3 for qt4 |
| 09:31.35 | oneforall | yeah I just looked at my log Qt 3 compatibility .. yes. so its built it with out it installed . the compat that is :) |
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| 09:33.25 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | hm... |
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| 09:35.26 | pinotree | Prathibha: what are you looking for, exactly? |
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| 09:36.42 | Prathibha | pinotree, I want to know what are the packages in kde and what I want a diagram that shows packages and its dependencies? |
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| 09:37.14 | Prathibha | if i want to contribute how can I do that? |
| 09:37.41 | pinotree | for the contibuting part, see the various pages at http://techbase.kde.org |
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| 09:44.20 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | can i have another n00b question: how do i tell this thing to "don't group windows of the same kind" and to "only show apps that are running on this desktop" in task manage? |
| 09:44.59 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | nevermind... |
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| 09:50.09 | Russel | hiho |
| 09:50.30 | Russel | just a quick question: is there going to be a time estimate in the copy file plasma thingy? |
| 09:50.35 | Russel | if so, when? |
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| 09:56.27 | Russel | sorry i have to go now, perhaps i will ask later |
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| 10:03.34 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | how do i set different wallpapers for different desktops in kde4? |
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| 10:06.20 | thunder71 | right click in desktop |
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| 10:08.19 | draugdel | and then appearance settings ;) |
| 10:09.01 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | yes... |
| 10:09.02 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | and... |
| 10:09.04 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | ? |
| 10:09.42 | draugdel | then change the picture? |
| 10:09.53 | thunder71 | use the immagination ;p |
| 10:10.06 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | but i have 9 desktops |
| 10:10.18 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | and i want 9 different pictures |
| 10:11.23 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | so basically.. |
| 10:11.28 | draugdel | ah, don't know how to do that |
| 10:11.44 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | ..i see :P |
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| 10:13.29 | i0nC4nn0n|wrk | anyone? :D |
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| 10:24.03 | Dr_ST_taf | hi folks |
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| 10:25.07 | Dr_ST_taf | little question about kwin compositing, can i disable it for "one" window, it works fineexcept for one window, and i would try to disable it on a per-window basis. So far i have not found it on the diverse documentation i've read |
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| 10:25.38 | Tub | I don't think that's technically possible. |
| 10:25.44 | Zarin | The only way you can do that is if it's a fullscreen window |
| 10:25.49 | Zarin | In which case KWin already does that :) |
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| 10:25.59 | Dr_ST_taf | ok |
| 10:26.00 | Zarin | But yeah, other than that it's technically not possible |
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| 10:26.15 | Zarin | Technically not feasible* |
| 10:26.27 | Dr_ST_taf | i can check if the problem is present if fullscreen :-) |
| 10:27.04 | d-fens_ | hi, i want to clean the file associations out of stale entries and dupes, i have e.g. to open txt files with: kate kedit kwrite kate kate kedit - how can i get rid of those duplicates, and no i don't want to edit every file type |
| 10:27.21 | Dr_ST_taf | it is a third-party app and my distribution is "unsupported", but i suspect only kwin is the culprit (kde 4.1.4) since disabling it or using another DE does not seem to have the problem |
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| 10:28.37 | d-fens_ | where are those associations stored? |
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| 10:30.52 | pinotree | d-fens_: kde3 or kde4? |
| 10:30.59 | d-fens_ | kde 4 |
| 10:31.36 | pinotree | rm ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list |
| 10:32.01 | d-fens_ | i'd liek to write a small script to remove kedit from all mimetype as it's no longer present |
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| 10:32.10 | d-fens_ | ah thx |
| 10:33.01 | d-fens_ | how come there are duplicates ? is this because of kde3 + kde4 installed? |
| 10:33.37 | pinotree | kde3 and kde4 have different systems for mime types |
| 10:33.47 | iomari | Is there a date yet for the release of sles 11? |
| 10:33.50 | d-fens_ | so they shouldn't interfere |
| 10:33.57 | pinotree | iomari: #opensuse |
| 10:34.07 | iomari | pinheiro, thanks |
| 10:34.20 | pinotree | is not pinheiro |
| 10:35.00 | iomari | pinheiro, can't seem to get into #opensuse |
| 10:35.07 | pinotree | i'm not pinhero!!!!! |
| 10:35.10 | d-fens_ | hrhr |
| 10:35.18 | szal | iomari: #suse |
| 10:35.24 | iomari | pinheiro, sorry |
| 10:35.26 | thunder71 | lol |
| 10:35.39 | iomari | pinotree, cant seem to get into #opensuse |
| 10:35.47 | szal | iomari: #suse |
| 10:36.01 | szal | #opensuse is a mere redirector to #suse |
| 10:36.04 | iomari | damn, I thot iwas in suse. sorry all |
| 10:36.42 | Dr_ST_taf | Tub: Zarin thanks, the fullscreen does not solve my problem, i'll see if i can live without kwin :-( |
| 10:36.46 | Dr_ST_taf | bye |
| 10:36.46 | szal | the name is historical, because the channel predates the openSUSE project |
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| 10:41.01 | Yagami | er ... pinotree your not "pinheiro" , but theoricly you are , because pinotree in portuguese is translated into "pinheiro" |
| 10:41.23 | pinotree | Yagami: i know, but it's not enough to confure trees :P |
| 10:41.34 | szal | hehe |
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| 10:57.59 | prasanna | hi i need some help on |
| 10:58.02 | prasanna | KDE |
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| 10:58.48 | prasanna | can anyone please tell me where to find the KDE architecture ? |
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| 11:03.31 | szal | prasanna: define 'KDE architecture' |
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| 11:08.17 | prasanna | szal :KDE architecture means what packages it contains and how each package is dependant on other packages ? |
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| 11:09.40 | szal | prasanna: that depends on your Linux/BSD/whatever distribution |
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| 11:09.57 | szal | they package KDE and define interdependencies |
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| 11:41.03 | thunder71 | Mobeater, unlok widgets, add widgets |
| 11:41.16 | Mobeater | thanks |
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| 11:50.42 | draugdel | http://bugs.kde.org/ |
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| 12:20.32 | JasonCO | to any of the devs or assistants are around -- NICE JOB ON KDE4.2 -- very very nice |
| 12:21.20 | tstaerk3 | JasonCO, what do you like? |
| 12:22.14 | JasonCO | plasma, the smoothness of the interface, excellent graphics rendering, great apps |
| 12:22.19 | JasonCO | organization and layout |
| 12:22.26 | tstaerk3 | nice to hear |
| 12:22.34 | JasonCO | kde has come a long ways i think |
| 12:22.51 | JasonCO | im running kubuntu intrepid with the 4.2 packages installed |
| 12:26.21 | JasonCO | is there a way to make plasmoids only appear on one desktop? |
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| 13:49.34 | asraniel | hi there. does somebody know where and how kmail stores it's mails? i need to migrate my user account from kde3 to kde4, but all the mails are empty (not all, but most of them) |
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| 13:55.05 | schafi | tray icons of some apps (e.g. pidgin) don't blink in kde4 systray. kde3 works fine .. is this a know bug? |
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| 14:03.43 | peace | i used preview on kde3.5 |
| 14:03.48 | peace | on kde4 isn't |
| 14:03.55 | peace | there isn't |
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| 14:09.36 | cb400f | peace: preview of what? |
| 14:09.46 | cb400f | and where |
| 14:10.02 | cb400f | .. and which kde4.. 4.1? 4.0? 4.2? |
| 14:10.57 | peace | kde4.2 , preview of a video , like i used on kde3.5 right button preview |
| 14:11.01 | peace | cb400f: |
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| 14:11.29 | cb400f | there's a package called mplayer-thumbs which provides that |
| 14:11.46 | cb400f | it's on kde-apps.org if it isn't available in your repos |
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| 14:13.37 | peace | cb400f: that create only a photo , if you click on a video with right button on kde 3.5 you can see the movie i think it was a kmplayer plugin or something like that |
| 14:14.19 | cb400f | ohh.. maybe kde4 kmplayer provides the same.. didn't know that feature |
| 14:14.20 | peace | i have mplayer-thumbs |
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| 14:22.15 | schafi | tray icons of some apps (e.g. pidgin) don't blink in kde4 systray. kde3 works fine .. is this a know bug? |
| 14:22.17 | ld50 | can konqueror go to systray? |
| 14:22.37 | ld50 | schafi, don't blink or do blink? |
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| 14:22.51 | schafi | ld50: don't blink |
| 14:23.04 | schafi | ld50: the icon changes but the background of the icon doesn't blink |
| 14:23.42 | schafi | ld50: normally it blinks when you receive a new message in pidgin (I enabled that option) |
| 14:23.55 | ld50 | ah |
| 14:24.21 | ld50 | mine blink because of a bug, it seems they are being refreshed every 2 minutes |
| 14:25.05 | ld50 | schafi, I have xchat's systray icon to display a notification, and it's working correctly with KDE4.2.1/Qt4.5 |
| 14:25.42 | sandsmrak | kopete works :> |
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| 14:26.25 | ld50 | does kopet support xmpp ? |
| 14:26.27 | schafi | yeah kde apps work here too .... but these apps change the icon frequently to "blink" and don't change the background color of the icon ... perhaps thats the problem |
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| 14:27.16 | sandsmrak | ld50: as in jabber ? |
| 14:27.17 | sandsmrak | yes |
| 14:27.23 | schafi | I noticed strange behaviour of kde4 systray here ... sometimes they look messed up ... perhaps its a general problem of kde4 to display systray icons correctly (or to refresh them correctly) |
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| 14:27.56 | ld50 | sandsmrak, nice, I use pidgin but I would like to change to a kde client |
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| 14:28.48 | ld50 | schafi, with Qt 4.4? |
| 14:28.57 | schafi | ld50: yes and kde 4.2 |
| 14:29.06 | schafi | perhaps I should try qt4.5 and kde 4.2.1 |
| 14:29.22 | ld50 | Qt4.5 solved the systray issues for me, but introduced new ones |
| 14:29.52 | schafi | when I upgrade to qt 4.5 on my gentoo system ... do I need to rebuild all kde packages to get use of it? |
| 14:30.13 | ld50 | kolourpaint doesn't startup and kate crashes on exit, don't know if it's fixed though |
| 14:30.26 | ld50 | schafi, I think no |
| 14:30.29 | sandsmark | schafi: no |
| 14:30.36 | sandsmark | unless gentoo has some stupid patches for it |
| 14:32.55 | peace | anyway i love kde4 |
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| 14:33.19 | ld50 | where's the google bar in konq ? |
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| 14:33.30 | peace | ld50: you have to install konqu plugins |
| 14:33.51 | peace | ld50: i am using arora xD instead of konqueror like web browser |
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| 14:34.22 | sandsmark | what is arora xd ? |
| 14:34.35 | ld50 | sandsmark, QTWebkit browser |
| 14:34.45 | sandsmark | ah, arora :< |
| 14:35.00 | ld50 | peace, did you compare scrolling in konqueror vs arora? |
| 14:35.12 | ld50 | in konqueror it's much smoother |
| 14:35.27 | sandsmark | I have the webkit kpart for konqueror too |
| 14:35.36 | sandsmark | (for pages that won't work in khtml) |
| 14:35.43 | peace | ld50: mm yes maybe but... arora doesn't sucks on flash stuff like konqueror |
| 14:36.00 | sandsmark | flash works pretty flawlessly in konqueror now |
| 14:36.16 | peace | sandsmark: are you sure? serveral time i got problems |
| 14:36.28 | peace | sandsmark: try to upload here www.mediafire.com |
| 14:36.45 | ld50 | ok, konq-plugins, where do I get them? I build kde from svn |
| 14:36.46 | sandsmark | I just upload stuff on omploader.org :< |
| 14:36.47 | peace | sandsmark: with konqueror i can't and i cant' upload on www.vimeo.com |
| 14:36.54 | sandsmark | no ads and shit |
| 14:37.05 | sandsmark | I have to register ? |
| 14:37.13 | Jucato | sandsmark: please watch the language |
| 14:37.15 | peace | sandsmark: on mediafire no |
| 14:37.22 | sandsmark | Jucato: :> |
| 14:37.23 | peace | sandsmark: on vimeo yes |
| 14:37.38 | Jucato | ld50: trunk/extragear/base/kong-plugins |
| 14:37.48 | ld50 | Jucato, thanks |
| 14:37.55 | sandsmark | peace: the flash doesn't fit |
| 14:38.03 | sandsmark | I can add files and whatnot |
| 14:38.12 | Jucato | sandsmark: :P |
| 14:38.33 | peace | sandsmark: try with basic uploader and y''ll see it doesn't work |
| 14:38.50 | sandsmark | peace: well, all the webpages I use work with flash (namely youtube and last.fm :p) |
| 14:39.10 | peace | sandsmark: mm ? on youtube some time it doesn't load the bar |
| 14:39.21 | sandsmark | odd |
| 14:39.23 | peace | instead arora works pretty good |
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| 14:39.35 | peace | here on my computer then |
| 14:40.01 | peace | sandsmark: see here for example with konqueror and arora http://www.vimeo.com:80/3760960 |
| 14:40.31 | peace | with konqueror just doesn't work |
| 14:40.35 | peace | no way |
| 14:40.59 | peace | but sigh i love konqui |
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| 14:42.02 | sandsmark | nspluginviewer crashed here |
| 14:42.13 | sandsmark | and now konqueror crashed :< |
| 14:42.16 | sandsmark | flash is bad voodoo |
| 14:42.32 | ld50 | it's sad that after almost 20 years all browsers still suck |
| 14:42.32 | sandsmark | I'm glad google is planning to use the video tag soon :D |
| 14:43.15 | peace | but i mean on imageshark konqueror doesn't work too |
| 14:43.32 | sandsmark | what is imageshark ? |
| 14:43.52 | sandsmark | oh, imageshack |
| 14:43.53 | ld50 | imageshack |
| 14:43.59 | peace | yes xD |
| 14:44.15 | sandsmark | I use photo.klette.us for my own image hosting needs, and the archlinux forums have banned imageshack :< |
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| 14:44.25 | peace | hihihi |
| 14:44.31 | ld50 | I had a nice script to upload images to imageshack, binded to prtSc, but they changed their site :S |
| 14:44.34 | peace | i used a widget of kde 4.2 |
| 14:44.43 | sandsmark | oh, you mean uploading ? |
| 14:44.50 | peace | yes |
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| 14:45.00 | peace | drag and drop tha's |
| 14:45.22 | peace | there is drop2imageshack xD |
| 14:45.32 | sandsmark | imageshack is slow and has lots of ads :< |
| 14:45.33 | peace | another widget |
| 14:46.02 | peace | well now i am using this one http://pastebin.ca/06 |
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| 14:48.12 | peace | ld50: konqueror is sucking too much ... sigh i have to use fifefox anyway |
| 14:49.15 | ld50 | firefox sucks at starting, it takes 1 hour to startup, I'm using the systray add-on now, much better :P |
| 14:49.19 | sandsmark | hehe |
| 14:49.24 | sandsmark | Opera is nice :D |
| 14:50.00 | peace | bah closed source sucks |
| 14:50.20 | peace | i prefer arora then |
| 14:50.34 | peace | i can upload to vimeo with it lol |
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| 14:50.46 | sandsmark | :P |
| 14:50.48 | ld50 | opera < arora < konqueror < firefox < opera |
| 14:50.49 | ld50 | lol |
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| 14:51.02 | sandsmark | Opera still wins on speed, hands down, imho :p |
| 14:51.02 | peace | it's pretty blocked when i try to upload but it works |
| 14:51.23 | peace | closed source = no for peace |
| 14:51.28 | peace | xD |
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| 14:52.09 | sandsmark | :p |
| 14:52.09 | peace | ld50: here firefox works great .. anyway |
| 14:52.18 | sandsmark | firefox is pretty sluggish |
| 14:52.21 | peace | because i don't use any plug in sstuff |
| 14:52.41 | sandsmark | sometimes I just sit and wait for it to finish the awesomebar-stuff :< |
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| 14:53.21 | peace | omg what computer do you have |
| 14:53.27 | peace | lol |
| 14:53.30 | peace | my english |
| 14:53.52 | sandsmark | 2.2GHz core 2 duo, 2gb of memory :> |
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| 14:54.01 | peace | lol wtf |
| 14:54.14 | peace | i have 1 gig of memory and it's pretty fast |
| 14:54.15 | sandsmark | Opera is very snappy, and its âawesomeâ-bar searches through the whole pages, instead of just titles |
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| 14:54.34 | peace | sandsmark: have you arch? |
| 14:54.42 | sandsmark | yes |
| 14:54.49 | sandsmark | if you mean archlinux |
| 14:55.00 | peace | hihihi i have kubuntu i just changed it i was on debian |
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| 14:55.43 | peace | here i have to say i haven't big problems |
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| 14:56.20 | peace | less atheros that still doesn t work because i ma a bit lazy today as you can see |
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| 14:58.22 | sandsmark | :P |
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| 15:04.33 | ld50 | In konqueror, has configure->web browsing->plugins have anything to do with konq_plugins ? |
| 15:04.48 | ld50 | or is it just flash & java plugins |
| 15:05.58 | ld50 | found what I was looking for -> "Configure extensions" |
| 15:07.04 | mkpaa | kde suddenly (after dist-upgrade) started asking for password when resuming from screensaver. Any idea how to get rid of that? |
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| 15:08.42 | Ace2017_- | Hi all |
| 15:08.51 | Ace2017_- | is it possible to have shadows only on windows? |
| 15:09.11 | Ace2017_- | or remove the panels on menus (right click and menubar dropdowns) |
| 15:09.53 | sandsmark | Ace2017_-: I don't have shadows on them |
| 15:09.59 | Ace2017_- | oh |
| 15:10.05 | Ace2017_- | kde4? is the shadow effect on? |
| 15:10.15 | Ace2017_- | are effects on? |
| 15:10.21 | sandsmark | yes |
| 15:10.25 | sandsmark | using kwin |
| 15:10.31 | Ace2017_- | kde 4.2.1? |
| 15:10.40 | sandsmark | yeah, I think so |
| 15:10.47 | sandsmark | yup |
| 15:11.37 | Ace2017_- | does the invert effect work for you? |
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| 15:12.39 | sandsmark | haven't tried |
| 15:12.40 | sandsmark | one sec |
| 15:13.18 | sandsmark | nope |
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| 15:17.15 | Ace2017_- | needs to get shadows only on windowborders :( |
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| 15:45.04 | ashishrai | hey all :) |
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| 15:45.43 | ashishrai | I am a GSoC enthusiast and I would like to discuss a project idea for GSoC 2009 which is going to be the nest big thing in user interface design |
| 15:46.45 | ashishrai | Natural User Interface is coming up in huge way |
| 15:46.47 | ashishrai | I have been working with multi-touch stuff since a long time and after going preliminary through MPX , I thought if I can continue to work to enhance multi-touch support in X server based gui systems with X server |
| 15:47.01 | Jucato | ashishrai: #kde-soc |
| 15:47.17 | Jucato | hm.. although it's not KDE related (from your description) |
| 15:47.38 | Jucato | shrugs |
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| 15:49.12 | ashishrai | Jucato: thanks i will discuss it there |
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| 16:28.29 | ryanCH | i noticed my desktop effects stop working ever since i setup dual monitors, and in the settings page, it says "compositing is not supported on your system ... how do i fix this? |
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| 16:29.21 | sandsmark | ask in #ubuntu |
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| 16:30.26 | Shapeshifter | How can I make dolphin display thumbnails of pictures in the view as well and not just on the side? |
| 16:30.43 | sandsmark | click the thumbnails button ? |
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| 16:33.24 | Shapeshifter | mhhh |
| 16:33.45 | Shapeshifter | neat |
| 16:33.47 | Shapeshifter | ^^ |
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| 16:36.15 | Shapeshifter | gwenview has become so pretty lately |
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| 16:36.43 | engineer | wait until you see dgikam |
| 16:36.44 | sandsmark | :D |
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| 16:56.14 | messerting | Hi folks, I'd like to "tile" and "cascade" windows in KDE4 - is that possible? |
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| 17:01.02 | cb400f | messerting: not sure what you mean.. but right click and middle click on maximize buttons for windows might do part of what you want |
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| 17:08.09 | Shapeshifter | messerting: there are scripts that can tile windows in any wm |
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| 17:08.31 | messerting | Shapeshifter, cool - got a link? |
| 17:08.48 | henshaw | recently (maybe since updating to 4.2.1) I've had kio_http processes taking up a lot of cpu time. (I think they're spawned by akregator fwiw). I've got one that's been bugging me all afternoon, sampling the stack with ptrace it looks like it was looping in proceedUntilResponseHeader. see http://pastebin.com/d1302c194 |
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| 17:08.59 | pol | Hello all :-) |
| 17:09.08 | Shapeshifter | messerting: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=64100 |
| 17:09.16 | messerting | thanks :) |
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| 17:09.34 | henshaw | It's just quietened down now, but it was churning 30% cpu for 10s of minutes if not hours. |
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| 17:10.06 | henshaw | I tried to get a profile with ltrace, but only got system calls. |
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| 17:10.51 | sandsmark | try connecting with gdb and get a proper backtrace ? |
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| 17:13.27 | henshaw | sandsmark: what was wrong with that? I used pstack, which is a script that uses gdb to get a backtrace. |
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| 17:15.23 | ptero_ | hey guys, how do i set a new mime-type/application association without actually having full kde installed? it's impossible using krusader (more on that and some screenshots here: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=67485) |
| 17:15.41 | Magicblaze007 | I am trying to set the background on my new kde4 box but firefox just saves the file to my home directory. How can I set the background? Also when I close a window, the window just gets imprinted on the background...does not disappear? |
| 17:15.46 | ptero_ | (oh yeah, i mean kde3.5) |
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| 17:17.19 | Shapeshifter | can someone suggest a decent imaging software? last time I tried krita it failed hard. and gimp is horrible. anything else? I just need cropping and other simple stuff. |
| 17:17.36 | Shapeshifter | for the serious things I need to use photoshop/fireworks on vbox anyway |
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| 17:19.03 | messerting | Shapeshifter, maybe digikam? |
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| 17:19.13 | messerting | or "showfoto" |
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| 17:20.55 | Shapeshifter | I'll have a look thanks |
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| 17:21.44 | messerting | Shopeshifter - I think maybe showFoto is the image edit plugin in digikam, not sure |
| 17:22.45 | messerting | Shapeshifter, (sorry typo in you name above) - also check gwenview |
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| 17:25.04 | cumulus007 | anyone having tips to speed up the desktop efefcts on KDE with a nvidia card? |
| 17:25.13 | henshaw | Shapeshifter: I think all messerting's suggestions use the same image editing plugins, so it's just a matter of which one you like the look of best. |
| 17:25.45 | Alfasus | Hello |
| 17:26.12 | Shapeshifter | messerting: you do know that in most irc clients you can <TAB>-complete nicknames? |
| 17:26.26 | Shapeshifter | henshaw: I see. |
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| 17:27.05 | Alfasus | I dont see youtube video using Konqueror |
| 17:27.06 | messerting | Shapeshifter: ah, thanks, TAB worked :) (konversation) |
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| 17:27.28 | Half-Left | cumulus007: Did you try the ones from the nvnews site? |
| 17:28.03 | cumulus007 | Half-Left: I can't find them |
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| 17:28.38 | Half-Left | cumulus007: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118088 |
| 17:29.25 | cumulus007 | thanks |
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| 17:34.31 | jtheuer | can I give a certain window which is currently in the background the focus from a script? what do I need? (some kind of handle, or the title?) |
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| 17:36.44 | Shapeshifter | henshaw: but what's the name of that plugin, or of those plugins. can't seem to find them installable from our (archlinux) repos |
| 17:37.01 | Shapeshifter | at least, looking through kdegraphics and such |
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| 17:38.16 | Half-Left | Shapeshifter: kipi-plugins you mean? |
| 17:38.50 | Shapeshifter | oh wait, gwenview can already do it anyway |
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| 17:39.15 | Shapeshifter | Half-Left: ah, yeah those seem to be the ones, thanks |
| 17:39.17 | cumulus007 | Half-Left: I applied that tweaks, but it doesn't improve the performance |
| 17:39.47 | Half-Left | cumulus007: Depends what performance you want |
| 17:39.50 | cumulus007 | Half-Left: someone here told me some tweaks to put into my xorg.conf, but I reinstalled my computer and lost my old xorg.conf |
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| 17:40.33 | cumulus007 | Half-Left: minimizing and maximizing is really choppy |
| 17:40.46 | cumulus007 | all the effects have a low framerate |
| 17:41.20 | Half-Left | KDE version? |
| 17:41.20 | cumulus007 | my effects went perfectly with a module option in xotg.conf, but I lost that option's name |
| 17:41.39 | cumulus007 | Half-Left: KDE 4.2.1, nvidia 180.37, Nvidia Geforce 9400 GT |
| 17:41.51 | cumulus007 | 512 MB VRAM |
| 17:42.46 | Half-Left | Not sure what option you need if you tried them from nvnews |
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| 17:44.15 | cumulus007 | Half-Left: is this a known problem? |
| 17:44.34 | Half-Left | Performance with Nvidia, yes |
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| 17:45.59 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world |
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| 17:46.11 | cumulus007 | Half-Left: I read everywhere the performance problems should be solved in newer drivers |
| 17:46.12 | Klaus_Dieter | should a window set the urgent hint while it is focussed? |
| 17:46.40 | Klaus_Dieter | because kopete seems to be doing that |
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| 17:47.13 | Half-Left | cumulus007: 'Should' :) |
| 17:47.42 | cumulus007 | hmmm |
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| 17:48.49 | Half-Left | Your using the OpenGL option and V-Sync? |
| 17:49.33 | cumulus007 | OpenGL is on, of course |
| 17:49.42 | cumulus007 | otherwise I wouldn't have desktop effects |
| 17:49.47 | cumulus007 | let me check for the vsync |
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| 17:50.04 | Half-Left | Well you would if you had it on the XRender option |
| 17:50.22 | cumulus007 | the checkbox "Use Vsync" is enabled in the Desktop Effects settings |
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| 17:50.30 | Half-Left | Thats what I was refering to, since you have two options |
| 17:50.36 | Magicblaze007 | somehow my kde4 is messed up. Anyone can help me? How do you set kde4 to get a background? (It also keeps overwriting my windows on the background even if I have closed them!) |
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| 17:51.08 | cumulus007 | Half-Left: do I have to disable it? |
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| 17:51.22 | Half-Left | cumulus007: How well does the Xrender option work? |
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| 17:51.56 | cumulus007 | Half-Left: haven't tried that yet |
| 17:52.16 | cumulus007 | horribly slow |
| 17:52.27 | cumulus007 | it looks like my cpu is rendering the effects now |
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| 17:53.03 | Half-Left | What CPU do you have? |
| 17:53.35 | cumulus007 | Amd Athlon 64 3200+ |
| 17:53.45 | cumulus007 | btw, Compiz is running gfine |
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| 17:54.25 | Half-Left | Can't compare it to compiz |
| 17:54.27 | Shapeshifter | so, kdemod-extragear-digikam-0.10.0-0.2 wont start because it cant find libkdcraw.so.5 and it seems like I have .so.7. >> sandsmark |
| 17:54.53 | Shapeshifter | any idea what to do other than finding a .so.5 or recompiling manually or using the repo one instead of the kdemod one? |
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| 17:55.07 | cumulus007 | brb |
| 17:55.08 | cumulus007 | .away |
| 17:55.48 | Half-Left | Shapeshifter: Try symlinking the .so.7 to .os.5 |
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| 17:56.02 | Half-Left | so.5* |
| 17:56.02 | Shapeshifter | that is ugly but it would work huh |
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| 17:57.35 | Shapeshifter | meh this sucks, now it complains about libexiv2.so.6. it's bad symlinking libs anyway |
| 17:57.39 | Shapeshifter | I'll just use another package |
| 17:57.53 | Half-Left | Yer, sounds like it's not installed them right |
| 17:59.11 | Half-Left | Shapeshifter: Archlinux has different plugins, I don't think they have the KDE4 ones |
| 18:00.53 | Half-Left | I just compiled kipi-plugins 0.2.0 for KDE4 and got the plugins in gwneview, the ones with archlinux don't work |
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| 18:01.20 | Half-Left | They are for KDE3, pretty sure |
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| 18:01.53 | Shapeshifter | mhhh |
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| 18:02.21 | Shapeshifter | so I can't just open a picture in digikam. I need to do this "collection" stuff and things |
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| 18:03.33 | Half-Left | Yer, it's a Viewer and Editor |
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| 18:04.01 | Half-Left | Showphoto is a viewer, sorry |
| 18:04.01 | Simkin | does okular replace kpdf in 4.x ? |
| 18:04.07 | Half-Left | Yes |
| 18:04.09 | Shapeshifter | ah |
| 18:04.59 | Half-Left | But Gwenview does both because it uses the same plugins |
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| 18:06.42 | cumulus007 | Half-Left: back, do you have any tips left? |
| 18:06.50 | Half-Left | Digikam/showphoto are more a suite, gwenview is just KDE4.x default inmage viewer and editor |
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| 18:07.03 | Half-Left | image* |
| 18:07.13 | Half-Left | cumulus007: nope |
| 18:07.19 | cumulus007 | hmm, okay |
| 18:07.23 | cumulus007 | thanks anyway |
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| 18:08.24 | Half-Left | Desktop effects are always smooth here now since 4.2 and 180 series driver |
| 18:08.46 | Half-Left | I have a 7800GTX |
| 18:10.19 | HappySmileMan | Anyone know of any good Qt/KDE MP3 tagging software? Amarok's is a bit buggy, especially with the "Guess details from filename" |
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| 18:11.41 | thiago | juk |
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| 18:12.58 | Klaus_Dieter | HappySmileMan: I use easytag even though it is not qt... |
| 18:13.11 | HappySmileMan | Hmmm never considered using that, asumed it was just another audio player and wouln't have much focus on tagging or anything |
| 18:13.22 | HappySmileMan | And will check out easytag if I have any problems with Juk |
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| 18:17.06 | Simkin | anyone know what the kdeprefix option for all the kde packages in gentoo do? |
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| 18:17.34 | Half-Left | Aks #gentoo |
| 18:17.36 | Klaus_Dieter | HappySmileMan: it is not even a player |
| 18:17.36 | Half-Left | ask* |
| 18:17.51 | Klaus_Dieter | Simkin: it installs kde into a different directory |
| 18:18.00 | reavertm | Simkin: #gentoo-kde |
| 18:18.01 | Simkin | Klaus_Dieter: different... how? |
| 18:18.04 | Simkin | like into /opt ? |
| 18:18.09 | Klaus_Dieter | Simkin: different from the default |
| 18:18.17 | Simkin | how come every time i ask a question in here i get shunted to another channel. |
| 18:18.18 | Klaus_Dieter | Simkin: you could even put it into /kde4 |
| 18:18.25 | Simkin | Klaus_Dieter: oh. handy! |
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| 18:18.31 | Klaus_Dieter | Simkin: ask in the proper channel |
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| 18:18.57 | Half-Left | Simkin: Because KDE devs don't maintain distro packages |
| 18:18.58 | Klaus_Dieter | questions specific to package manager are not really within the scope of this channel |
| 18:19.17 | Klaus_Dieter | it is just by chance that I was able to answer this one |
| 18:19.48 | reavertm | Klaus_Dieter: not really in /kde4 - not without tweaks btw |
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| 18:28.58 | Simkin | anyone know why every once in a while the main file menu comes up with "no text" for the "FILE" and "EDIT" menus? |
| 18:29.04 | Simkin | like instead of file, it says "NO TEXT" |
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| 18:32.52 | MikeH | Hi guys, how can I get my media keys to work with Amarok? The win+* shortcuts work, but the media keys do not (unless it's in focus) |
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| 18:33.37 | ChemBro | MikeH: i need kmix for my media keys to work with amarok |
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| 18:34.03 | MikeH | kmix? |
| 18:34.19 | ChemBro | do you use kde4 or kde3? |
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| 18:34.53 | MikeH | kde4.1 from the beta repo's |
| 18:35.04 | MikeH | (ubuntu) |
| 18:35.10 | ChemBro | beta? |
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| 18:35.59 | MikeH | yes. |
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| 18:39.15 | chuckr | goddamn, I sure am having a bad time adjustoing to the new kde. Could I ask a bunch of "stupid" questions? |
| 18:40.00 | chuckr | what's the name of the block of widgets in the panel that show up, one per application (NOT the pager, not one per desktop) |
| 18:40.35 | chuckr | Tne next question is, really, that thing (whatever it's name) just disappread, how do I get it back? |
| 18:40.57 | chuckr | I tried rebooting, didn't work |
| 18:41.15 | drantin | Task Manager ? |
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| 18:41.59 | chuckr | Might be ... how to get it back up on the panel? |
| 18:42.12 | Half-Left | Add Widgets |
| 18:42.28 | Half-Left | Or click the plasma icon on the end of the panel |
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| 18:43.07 | chuckr | let me see (I don't know what the plasma icon looks like, I'm TRULY stupid, and it's hurts here!) |
| 18:43.28 | Half-Left | The half circle at the end of the panel |
| 18:44.00 | Half-Left | Or right click the desktop>Add Widgets and drag the Task Manager widget to the panel |
| 18:44.15 | Half-Left | (right click) |
| 18:44.21 | chuckr | Got that. The Calendar has popped up, it's sitting directly in the middle of the panel options, and there's no "kill" widget, to kill the calendar |
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| 18:45.02 | Half-Left | You clicked the time |
| 18:45.20 | chuckr | ahh, clicking hte time again did it. |
| 18:45.30 | MikeH | Hrm, I've narrowed it down to just the skip forward and back media keys only working when amarok is in focus |
| 18:45.34 | MikeH | any suggestions? |
| 18:46.14 | Jared555 | hello. How well does KDE handle a common home directory between multiple computers on a network? Especially if one user may be logged on to 5+ computers. In addition: different versions of kde may be in use |
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| 18:47.40 | chuckr | The "add widget thing doesn't seem to allow me to enter a path. I'm trying to add thunderbird, it knows the graphical widget for it because it sits there fat and happy in the home window, but it's not there in any submenu to add widgetws to the panel |
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| 18:49.37 | Half-Left | chuckr: Just drag any widget you want to the panel |
| 18:50.02 | chuckr | Didn't work 3 minutes ago, let me try again |
| 18:50.15 | Half-Left | "Enter path, home window?" |
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| 18:55.10 | chuckr | I did actually just get thunderbird done, now I'm trying to get task-manager (because my thunderbird has been turned into a icon, but I can't find it). Neither the desktop folder nor dolphon seem to allow me to go to the parent dir, so I can't get to the /usr/local/bin, where most of my things sit. I can't yuet find any direct path entry, either. I can get to /root or ~chuckr only. |
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| 18:55.37 | chuckr | Do you happen to know what is the home classification of the task manager? |
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| 18:57.50 | chuckr | I can't find it to add it. |
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| 18:58.09 | chuckr | and the search capability only find me the task scheduler |
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| 18:59.45 | aseigo | task manager? |
| 19:00.38 | aseigo | chuckr: easiest way, btw, is probably to open kickoff, search for "thunderbird" and drag the icon that appears there |
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| 19:01.13 | chuckr | Ahh, I finally got it, and was able to find and maximize my thunderbird. Last current item, every time I spawn a new window (suc as, trying to compose a mail) two wrong thigns happen, the winidow shows up in the wrong desktop, and shows up maximized |
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| 19:02.05 | chuckr | I oftern (for things that time out like password entry) need to do a real quick search to find the window |
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| 19:02.38 | chuckr | I want windows to stay with their parent apps, and NOT to maximize |
| 19:03.00 | datag | i've got a strange problem with kate-fileview/dolphin. i don't know when exactly, but recently the behaviour of selecting files in kate's filesystem-browser changed from single-click to annoying double-click. the kde4's system wide settings is single click and i cannot find any option for kate (or the katepart). can someone help? |
| 19:03.37 | chuckr | I suppose all these problems are because my kde docs aren't working, and I'm SO unfamiliar with the new API |
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| 19:04.28 | chuckr | part of the docs are working, and that's my primary goal after I get minimum usage established, believe me |
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| 19:18.30 | chuckr | One example: I want ALL mail oriented things (all Thunderbird windows + children) to show up in desktop 6, and not maximized |
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| 19:35.08 | EisNerd | moin |
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| 19:35.40 | EisNerd | uhm one question could it be that kde4.2 moves the mouse cursor a bit when right mouse button is pressed? |
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| 19:36.30 | Half-Left | nope |
| 19:36.36 | EisNerd | I've the problem playing metin2 (using wine) in window mode (fullscreen window without borders) |
| 19:37.29 | Half-Left | So your saying that your mouse moves a bit in your game because of KDE4.2? |
| 19:37.31 | EisNerd | always when I press the right mouse button turning is startet (normally I have to hold the button and move the mouse) |
| 19:37.44 | EisNerd | it looks like |
| 19:38.03 | Half-Left | Well wine doesn't get it's movement from the DE, pretty sure of that |
| 19:38.16 | EisNerd | maybe it is a funktion for preparing kontestmenues? |
| 19:38.29 | EisNerd | kontextmenues |
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| 19:38.44 | EisNerd | Half-Left: uhm when the game is windowed? |
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| 19:40.34 | Half-Left | Thats irrelevant, wine gets it's mouse settings from it's direct input, which is taken from X, I assume thats how it works |
| 19:40.53 | Half-Left | I'm no wine dev |
| 19:41.54 | Half-Left | Sounds like a wine bug |
| 19:42.13 | Sho_ | EisNerd: I agree with Half-Left, KDE doesn't do anything there |
| 19:42.28 | Sho_ | It's more likely a wine issue |
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| 20:08.39 | sepelester | hey, i'm a gnome user running some kde apps. i'd like to play with kde4 styles but my systemsettings don't have a style switcher, only some icon and emoticon theme switchers. is there a module i need? |
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| 20:09.46 | Half-Left | sepelester: Ask your distro, they separate them |
| 20:10.13 | Ace2017_- | where is konqueror's search bar? |
| 20:10.24 | Ace2017_- | wanted to try and use konqueror as a browser |
| 20:10.27 | sandsmark | Ace2017_-: to the right of the address input field ? |
| 20:10.35 | Ace2017_- | its not there :( |
| 20:11.01 | sandsmark | konq-plugins, mebbe |
| 20:11.07 | Half-Left | You have to get the extension |
| 20:11.32 | sepelester | Half-Left: i'm using ubuntu. i've googled it for half an hour without result :( apt-cache search doesn't return much of use here |
| 20:12.21 | sandsmark | try asking in #ubuntu |
| 20:12.36 | Half-Left | sepelester: Ask your distro channel, they can package it as a different name, maybe konqueror-addons or something |
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| 20:13.19 | sepelester | Half-Left: i'll try #kubuntu, thanks |
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| 20:15.18 | Half-Left | Oops |
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| 20:15.31 | Half-Left | Oh dear, wrong person I sent that to :p |
| 20:15.35 | duckinator | hi |
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| 20:22.23 | poison_ | hi ^^ |
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| 20:26.54 | Frogbarf | In kde 4.1 i sometimes move my mouse or something in some way and all the windows on the get small and I can see everything very nicely. I'm not sure what I do to cause it but I like it and it seems useful. How can I actually "control" this feature? |
| 20:29.55 | Frogbarf | Found it, top left of the display |
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| 20:44.54 | Cripps | I was playing around in kcontrol's "Regional and Accessibility" so that i could switch between qwerty and dvorak keyboard layouts, and now my keyboard is mapped to the greek alphabet .... I tried running: "setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout us" to no avail. Can I get some help getting my keyboard back to "normal?" |
| 20:45.21 | Cripps | I was running kcontrol as a user. Also, for some reason, my "alt" keys no longer work. |
| 20:45.43 | kubek2k_ | hi - can you tell me what is bound by default to the key combination ctrl+shit+left/right |
| 20:45.47 | kubek2k_ | in kde4 |
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| 20:49.03 | devilsadvocate_ | Cripps, in system settings you can enable the layout switcher, which seems to work surprisingly well |
| 20:49.08 | Cripps | devilsadvocate,"sticky switching?" ... I should also mention, this is kde 3.5 |
| 20:51.12 | devilsadvocate_ | Cripps, oh, sorry |
| 20:51.21 | devilsadvocate_ | that is for kde 4 |
| 20:51.25 | Cripps | I should have mentioned that earlier. |
| 20:51.45 | devilsadvocate_ | Cripps, i shouldve guessed when you said kcontrol |
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| 20:51.58 | Cripps | there *is* layout switching in 3.5, but I haven't been able to figure it out, that's why I'm in this mess :( |
| 20:52.04 | devilsadvocate_ | Cripps, your greek keyboard survives a reboot? |
| 20:52.11 | iluvJaydenJames | i'm using xfce, because kde is 1) using qt 2) slow |
| 20:52.23 | Cripps | devilsadvocate, I don't really want to try, just in case it does, ten I'd be screwed. |
| 20:52.41 | Cripps | iluvJaydenJames, good for you. We don't care. |
| 20:52.52 | Half-Left | lol |
| 20:52.53 | devilsadvocate_ | Cripps, ah. you cant login |
| 20:52.56 | iluvJaydenJames | just wanted to mention it |
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| 20:53.02 | devilsadvocate_ | Cripps, you have more foresight than i do :P |
| 20:53.06 | Cripps | devilsadvocate, if it's greek, nope. |
| 20:53.19 | Cripps | devilsadvocate, lol. practise has done this to me ;) |
| 20:53.37 | Cripps | Half-Left, best way to piss of trolls :P |
| 20:53.51 | Half-Left | Cripps: We get commission for everyone we convert, thanks for messing that up for me :p |
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| 20:54.20 | Cripps | Half-Left, I didn't have a conversion sponser, if you'd like, I can make sure you get my comission ;) |
| 20:54.31 | Half-Left | hahaha |
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| 20:55.34 | Half-Left | We get double for converting gnomers :p |
| 20:55.56 | Cripps | lol. ell, Linus said gnome sucks, it *must* be true :P |
| 20:56.05 | Cripps | :%s/ell/hell/ |
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| 20:58.09 | iluvJaydenJames | Cripps: that true ? about gnome and linus |
| 20:58.19 | Half-Left | for the record, we don't get commission, just incase someone takes it seriously |
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| 20:58.23 | Cripps | iluvJaydenJames, he said it on one of the gnome mailing lists. |
| 20:58.33 | sandsmark | and got flamed to death |
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| 20:58.36 | sandsmark | and had to write patches :P |
| 20:58.37 | iluvJaydenJames | rofl |
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| 20:59.08 | Cripps | sandsmark, well, he did walk into "enemy territory" and flame them. |
| 20:59.14 | sandsmark | sure, sure :p |
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| 21:01.25 | Cripps | one of the best things Sun ever did (besides ZFS, and DTrace, and ... well, OpenSolaris) was provde a package for KDE instead of needing to run Gnome. :) |
| 21:01.30 | corinth | What specifically do I alter to change the hover color for right-click menus? KDE 4.2.1 |
| 21:02.29 | Half-Left | Cripps: Don't forget that little known thing called, Java :p |
| 21:02.51 | Cripps | Half-Left, psh. Java's for turds :P |
| 21:03.23 | Cripps | is a turd |
| 21:03.59 | Half-Left | That's not the point, some would say Sun is, but thats off topic :p |
| 21:04.09 | Cripps | sorry. |
| 21:04.39 | corinth | How can I get dolphin to open a location link .desktop file in the same window? |
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| 21:05.24 | cb400f | corinth: assuming I understand you correct.. systemsettings -> appearance -> colours -> colours tab -> selection background |
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| 21:29.44 | backflip | hey guys |
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| 21:30.52 | backflip | i just noticed that in kde 4 you can't set the scrollbar color unless you set the color for buttons, drop-down menus etc. also |
| 21:31.17 | backflip | you can't adjust the window decoration colors separately either |
| 21:31.52 | backflip | is that "done and well so" or "not really done yet"? |
| 21:32.59 | Half-Left | backflip: If you use Ozone you can, the window decor theme |
| 21:33.31 | backflip | oh |
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| 21:33.42 | backflip | okay, i see that now, that answers at least one question =) |
| 21:33.43 | Half-Left | The down side is that the colour is linked to the shadows with compositing on |
| 21:33.52 | szal | really depends on the theme how much you can change.. QtCurve e.g. has a wealth of configuration options |
| 21:34.59 | karthikp | We need some cool alternatives to Oxygen included in KDE by default... |
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| 21:35.16 | backflip | well yes, but... |
| 21:35.17 | sandsmark | karthikp: give me a mockup :) |
| 21:35.25 | karthikp | All other alternatives seem like they fell into a time machine from KDE3, if you know what I mean... |
| 21:35.35 | backflip | i remember trying out a kde 4 live cd before 4.0 arrived |
| 21:35.39 | sandsmark | karthikp: probably because they were ported from kde 3 :p |
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| 21:35.43 | sandsmark | karthikp: have you tried bespin ? |
| 21:35.50 | karthikp | sandsmark: My skills as an artist will make Rayleigh positively sexy. |
| 21:35.52 | sandsmark | it's what was supposed to be the default style in kde 4 |
| 21:35.56 | sandsmark | karthikp: hehehe :P |
| 21:36.05 | backflip | they had "on hover turning green" scrollbars |
| 21:36.14 | karthikp | Bespin looks good, but isn't included by default. |
| 21:36.14 | sandsmark | karthikp: I've been wanting to make a truly minimal style |
| 21:36.20 | Half-Left | It's easy doing mockups, get them implemented it the hardest part |
| 21:36.23 | sandsmark | karthikp: the bespin code is ... :> |
| 21:36.42 | sandsmark | Half-Left: if you make me a damn sexy mockup, I'll do the implement-part :D |
| 21:36.52 | sandsmark | I've been wanting to make a qt widget style |
| 21:37.03 | backflip | now it seems that for example if I want green scrollbars, I also need to accept green buttons |
| 21:37.10 | backflip | which confuses me a bit |
| 21:37.14 | sandsmark | (and freqmod has made one already, in case I need help :P) |
| 21:37.26 | Half-Left | sandsmark: Interesting suggestion :) |
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| 21:39.12 | Half-Left | sandsmark: I keep meaning to start another but this time, elegant plasma theme rather than the simple Clean Blend |
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| 21:39.27 | sandsmark | hmm |
| 21:39.48 | Half-Left | Something to rival Air :) |
| 21:39.51 | sandsmark | ;D |
| 21:40.04 | sandsmark | even though pinheiro is a damn good artist, choice is good ;) |
| 21:40.09 | karthikp | Maybe the best themes from kde-look.org should get included in KDE 4.3 officially and the old themes should be retired slowly. Their fans can go get them from kde-look.org... |
| 21:40.22 | sandsmark | karthikp: the problem is usually the quality of the code |
| 21:40.29 | sandsmark | that's for example why bespin was dropped |
| 21:40.32 | sandsmark | (iirc) |
| 21:40.35 | Half-Left | Yep |
| 21:40.38 | asraniel | does somebody know where kde stores the last session? i have to delete it because something is killing the pc after login |
| 21:41.14 | karthikp | How hard is it to clean it up? |
| 21:41.27 | sandsmark | it depends, and who should do it ? |
| 21:41.50 | Half-Left | karthikp: Well the plasma themers can always ask for inclusion, nothing stopping them |
| 21:41.55 | sandsmark | and not all theme authors want their themes to be included (they loose some freedom of when they can release, etc.) |
| 21:41.57 | karthikp | Us!!! For now, I know basic C++. Pretty sure I can use pointers in a simple program...:) |
| 21:42.03 | sandsmark | hehe ;) |
| 21:42.09 | karthikp | True. |
| 21:42.33 | karthikp | But, I'm sure most will be delighted to be part of the official release. |
| 21:42.37 | sandsmark | karthikp: mail the author of your favourite theme, ask him if he would be interested, send of a mail to kde-devel@kde.org (or something like that), and ask for pointers ;) |
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| 21:43.31 | karthikp | Okay. That sounds like a plan. :) Except, my current fav theme is Oxygen ... :P |
| 21:43.43 | sandsmark | hehe ;) |
| 21:43.44 | sandsmark | same here |
| 21:43.49 | Half-Left | plasma themes go to the plasma mailing lists for inclusion |
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| 21:44.16 | sandsmark | oxygen is actually very good, but it gets boring after a while :< |
| 21:44.26 | karthikp | I'll hunt around in kde-look.org for a while. |
| 21:44.29 | asraniel | could somebody confirm that ".kde/share/config/session" stores the last kde session that will be loaded on login? |
| 21:44.57 | sandsmark | karthikp: looks alright |
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| 21:44.59 | sandsmark | bah |
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| 21:45.00 | backflip | asraniel: why not just move it and try it out? |
| 21:45.01 | sandsmark | asraniel: â |
| 21:45.19 | asraniel | because it's my GFs computer and i have to debug it over the phone |
| 21:45.27 | backflip | oh |
| 21:45.50 | sandsmark | ip-over-girlfriend |
| 21:46.04 | karthikp | Speaking of kde-look, I think the KDE4 Brainstorm section is a criminally neglected resource. |
| 21:46.14 | sandsmark | is it still available ? |
| 21:46.23 | karthikp | I have an idea regarding that section. |
| 21:46.26 | sandsmark | ah, yes |
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| 21:46.36 | karthikp | (Available and up to date by the looks of it.) |
| 21:46.39 | sandsmark | karthikp: it isn't very neglected, imho |
| 21:46.56 | sandsmark | karthikp: for example, the third highest rated suggestion was just implemented, afaik |
| 21:47.01 | sandsmark | (by notmart) |
| 21:47.28 | karthikp | Good to hear that. |
| 21:47.30 | backflip | asraniel: does any other graphical de work? |
| 21:47.46 | karthikp | I was thinking about getting the good ideas onto planet KDE. |
| 21:47.50 | sandsmark | <notmart> ok, i think it's ready http://imagebin.ca/view/h43cOMYp.html |
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| 21:48.03 | Half-Left | Only is looks like Windows 7 idea :p |
| 21:48.06 | karthikp | That way, the ideas reach a bigger intended (KDE devels) audience. |
| 21:48.07 | Half-Left | it* |
| 21:48.52 | Half-Left | Which isn't surprising because it's following a tend |
| 21:49.00 | Half-Left | tread* |
| 21:49.12 | Half-Left | ok, now I've lost it |
| 21:49.15 | karthikp | trend? :) |
| 21:49.21 | backflip | no |
| 21:49.25 | backflip | he meant treat |
| 21:49.27 | backflip | :) |
| 21:49.34 | sandsmark | the windows 7 trend ? .p |
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| 21:49.42 | Half-Left | Trend :) |
| 21:50.27 | Half-Left | Well yer, STasks, preview group :) |
| 21:50.43 | sandsmark | stasks is neat, tho :P |
| 21:51.06 | Half-Left | It is |
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| 21:52.21 | Half-Left | But it's a complete rip of Windows 7 tasks, some would argue it's better though |
| 21:54.08 | sandsmark | I haven't really tried windows 7 :< |
| 21:56.11 | Half-Left | Well be assured they are practically the same :) |
| 21:56.56 | Half-Left | Only in Windows 7 each task has a different colour |
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| 21:58.06 | Half-Left | I don't care how good it is anyway, I don't use malware |
| 21:58.12 | Half-Left | :p |
| 21:59.14 | iluvJaydenJames | u're right |
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| 22:00.18 | iluvJaydenJames | i wouldnt even use singularity if it was free |
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| 22:00.33 | iluvJaydenJames | even it has a microkernel like minix |
| 22:02.23 | asraniel | backflip: yes, works until login. i let her delete the last session from bash. her computer is very buggy right now, no idea why |
| 22:03.06 | WickedSmoke | Is there a way to disable the panel popups (on the app. launcher and window buttons) in KDE 4.2? |
| 22:03.28 | WickedSmoke | In 3.5 there was a system setting to disable them. |
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| 22:03.36 | iluvJaydenJames | WickedSmoke: YES. at-get install xfce-desktop |
| 22:03.44 | WickedSmoke | Heh... |
| 22:05.42 | Half-Left | iluvJaydenJames: Yer, it's good if you like gnome clones |
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| 22:06.41 | sefirotsama | good night!! |
| 22:06.44 | iluvJaydenJames | Half-Left: :/ |
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| 22:07.46 | sandsmark | Half-Left: what do you mean clones ? XFCE pulls in 90% of gnome already :p |
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| 22:08.03 | sandsmark | no reason KDE 4.2 runs better than XFCE on 256MB of ram :p |
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| 22:08.10 | sandsmark | s,reason,wonder, |
| 22:08.11 | sandsmark | :D |
| 22:08.53 | neuron | on ubuntu, yes it does, on other platforms xfce isn't running with gnome tools in the background. |
| 22:09.02 | sefirotsama | do you compile KDE with specific flags?? Becouse kubuntu (kde 4.2) its more slowly than xfce... |
| 22:09.04 | sandsmark | this is on Arch Linux |
| 22:09.22 | sefirotsama | Arch is i586? |
| 22:09.23 | neuron | well then it shouldn't be |
| 22:09.26 | sandsmark | sefirotsama: yes |
| 22:09.30 | neuron | it'll pull in gtk, not gnome |
| 22:09.32 | sefirotsama | ok |
| 22:09.47 | draugdel | arch is i686, i think |
| 22:09.52 | sandsmark | mhm |
| 22:10.00 | sandsmark | neuron: how about gconf and friends ? |
| 22:10.17 | neuron | xfce has it's own configuration system, xfconf backend or something |
| 22:10.18 | kubek2k_ | do you have that problem - after some time the keyboard just stops working (kubuntu) |
| 22:10.42 | sandsmark | neuron: which XFCE are you using ? |
| 22:10.49 | neuron | been using both 4.4 and 4.6 |
| 22:10.50 | sandsmark | is talking 4.6 |
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| 22:11.34 | neuron | well xfconf in 4.6 depends on glib |
| 22:11.40 | neuron | that's more or less it |
| 22:12.04 | sandsmark | hmm, yeah, it isn't as bad as I remembered :> |
| 22:12.11 | sandsmark | well, it was still very sluggish |
| 22:12.22 | neuron | xfce never pulled in gnome dependencies, the author doesn't even like gnome |
| 22:12.24 | sefirotsama | xD |
| 22:12.32 | neuron | and as much as I like kde, xfce is lighter than kde will ever be |
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| 22:12.58 | sefirotsama | but in gentoo, if i wish to compile xfce, always needs gnome-libs |
| 22:13.12 | sefirotsama | and gtk gtk2... |
| 22:13.15 | neuron | it might be able to optionally support it |
| 22:13.19 | neuron | it doesn't need gtk1 |
| 22:13.30 | sefirotsama | and gtk2? |
| 22:13.33 | neuron | and yes, it uses gtk, but gtk isn't gnome, gtk is the gimp toolkit |
| 22:13.35 | sefirotsama | is it optional too? |
| 22:13.40 | sandsmark | xfce4 needs libwnck, which might be part of gnome-libs |
| 22:13.47 | sefirotsama | ah, ok |
| 22:14.07 | neuron | and if you tried xfce it on an ubuntu livecd or anything like that, then it'll be slow, as it runs a gazillion gnome ubuntu services in the background for absolutely no reason. |
| 22:14.23 | sandsmark | sure, this was on my fresh arch install |
| 22:14.43 | sefirotsama | well, i think ubuntu is slowly (ever) |
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| 22:15.32 | sefirotsama | if i wish to install kde 3.5.9, and i want to click to K menu I need to wait almost 1 second |
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| 22:16.04 | sefirotsama | and is slowly opening KDM, and the kdesktop freezes at startup... |
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| 22:16.32 | sefirotsama | if you change de config, and then update, you lost the config |
| 22:16.41 | sefirotsama | (kdm config and other) |
| 22:16.50 | Half-Left | sandsmark: lol |
| 22:16.59 | sefirotsama | ... |
| 22:17.31 | Ace2017_- | OMG OMG OMG OMG i have a great idea!!! |
| 22:17.37 | iluvJaydenJames | yes? |
| 22:17.41 | Ace2017_- | an option to allow the mouse to move slowly |
| 22:17.45 | sandsmark | :< |
| 22:17.53 | sandsmark | look in system settings â mouse ? |
| 22:17.55 | Ace2017_- | win+mouse movement allows you much more sensitivity |
| 22:18.03 | Ace2017_- | or alt |
| 22:18.06 | Ace2017_- | something like that |
| 22:18.17 | Ace2017_- | so you can do 1px movements easily |
| 22:18.27 | Ace2017_- | or a shortcut key for fast movement |
| 22:18.41 | Ace2017_- | most of the time you don't need to aim with 1px accuracy |
| 22:19.00 | Ace2017_- | so you set it up with small movement = big movement |
| 22:19.12 | sandsmark | why do you need that ? |
| 22:19.12 | Ace2017_- | so you set it up with small movement of hand = big movement of mouse cursor |
| 22:19.16 | sandsmark | sounds like broken user interface |
| 22:19.26 | Ace2017_- | sandsmark: :( |
| 22:19.34 | sandsmark | wut ? |
| 22:19.43 | Half-Left | xfce is meant to be a light weight desktop, it's not far behind KDE4 for memory |
| 22:19.43 | Ace2017_- | its not broken |
| 22:20.00 | sandsmark | Ace2017_-: if you need a special mode just to hit stuff, it is |
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| 22:20.37 | Ace2017_- | actually its perfect for the interface |
| 22:20.46 | Ace2017_- | but the interface isn't whats demanding the 1px movements |
| 22:21.02 | Ace2017_- | its stupid stuff like plasma which won't let me set a custom height :/ |
| 22:21.07 | sandsmark | ? |
| 22:21.19 | Half-Left | neuron: I find that a funny statement, since 4.6 is very much like a default gnome layout, each version is |
| 22:21.22 | Ace2017_- | custom height on a panel |
| 22:21.36 | sandsmark | Ace2017_-: ??? |
| 22:21.51 | sandsmark | Ace2017_-: click the cashew, and clickdrag the âHeightâ-thingy ? |
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| 22:22.08 | Ace2017_- | yea but i want it to set it to a specific height |
| 22:22.19 | sandsmark | why ? |
| 22:22.23 | Ace2017_- | its thinkgs *like* that |
| 22:22.39 | sandsmark | \o/ |
| 22:23.12 | Ace2017_- | likes kde3 kicker |
| 22:23.24 | Ace2017_- | plasma's panel isn't up to it |
| 22:23.28 | sandsmark | why ? |
| 22:23.39 | neuron | Half-Left: looks is irrelevant, the memory requirement of a regular xfce is half that of a ubuntu's xfce with their network manager and updaters in python |
| 22:23.44 | neuron | anyway, I'm going to bed, nn |
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| 22:24.14 | sefirotsama | see you |
| 22:24.16 | Ace2017_- | its hard to do stuff like position it |
| 22:24.17 | sefirotsama | =_= |
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| 22:24.25 | devilsadvocate_ | ubuntu's xfce sucks. always did |
| 22:24.43 | sandsmark | Ace2017_-: why do you need pixel perfect sizing ? |
| 22:24.45 | devilsadvocate_ | vector has the best xfce ever |
| 22:24.47 | Half-Left | They seem to screw up everything but gnome :p |
| 22:25.01 | Ace2017_- | sandsmark: i've setup window rules, which forces the placement of certain apps |
| 22:25.01 | sandsmark | Half-Left: canonical only pays people to work on gnome, afaik :p |
| 22:25.02 | devilsadvocate_ | their kde seems alright too, now |
| 22:25.14 | devilsadvocate_ | knetworkmanager works out of the box :O |
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| 22:25.37 | sandsmark | devilsadvocate: lol, if that's your expectations ... :p |
| 22:26.05 | Half-Left | Well thats because it's from upstream anyway |
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| 22:26.20 | devilsadvocate_ | sandsmark, i also havent lost all my kontact data yet, this time.. and its been two whole days since i started using it again |
| 22:26.25 | sandsmark | heh |
| 22:26.50 | WickedSmoke | Is there a way to disable the panel popups (on the app. launcher and window buttons) in KDE 4.2? |
| 22:27.16 | devilsadvocate_ | WickedSmoke, the notifications? |
| 22:27.27 | WickedSmoke | The hover info. |
| 22:27.32 | devilsadvocate_ | ah |
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| 22:27.55 | WickedSmoke | (tool tips) |
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| 22:28.11 | kkuno | hi, I've just installed kde, and I've noticed that if I set it to use dolphin to open folders, than gnome will use dolphin too.... |
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| 22:28.19 | WickedSmoke | This was a setting in KDE 3.5. |
| 22:28.23 | Ace2017_- | kkuno: thats a good thing |
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| 22:28.31 | kkuno | Ace2017_-, really? :O |
| 22:28.39 | karthikp | I like the tooltips... |
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| 22:28.44 | sandsmark | thecwlzone: django ! |
| 22:28.48 | kkuno | so I can't use kde and gnome in the same pc... |
| 22:28.55 | Half-Left | Look is irreverent, right............. |
| 22:29.07 | Ace2017_- | kkuno: you can, but you only use one at a time |
| 22:29.07 | karthikp | But, yeah, there probably be a setting to disable them. Spirit of KDE and all that. |
| 22:29.24 | WickedSmoke | karthikp: I know what the application launcher is. I don't need to be told "This is the Kickoff Application Launcher". |
| 22:29.25 | kkuno | Ace2017_-, lol |
| 22:29.30 | kkuno | this is insane |
| 22:29.44 | Ace2017_- | basicly if you use kde you want everything to use dolphin, it'd suck if gnome apps used gtk, as a kde user you'd hate to see gnome's file browser, because it truely sucks |
| 22:29.46 | karthikp | WickedSmoke: Yeah, I agree with you. There should be a setting to disable it. |
| 22:29.49 | WickedSmoke | It causes rendering glitches as well - probably my NVidia driver. |
| 22:29.50 | TheLastDodo | Ace2017_-: Don't be silly. Would you use Nautilis while loggef into KdE? |
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| 22:29.53 | Ace2017_- | so you have a global file manager |
| 22:30.00 | TheLastDodo | logged* |
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| 22:30.05 | Ace2017_- | TheLastDodo: yea thats what i'm trying to say |
| 22:30.15 | karthikp | WickedSmoke: I have an nvidia card, too. No glitches. |
| 22:30.21 | sandsmark | TheLastDodo: I never want to use nautilus, problem solved :D |
| 22:30.28 | WickedSmoke | It's intermittent. |
| 22:30.33 | kkuno | yeah I want to use dolphin in kde |
| 22:30.35 | karthikp | As as aside, see if you have the Blur effect turned on. |
| 22:30.41 | kkuno | but I want to use nautilus in gnome! |
| 22:30.46 | karthikp | It doesn't like nvidia cards at the moment. |
| 22:30.57 | WickedSmoke | I don't think blur is enabled. |
| 22:31.15 | kkuno | with kde3 I could do this |
| 22:31.18 | Ace2017_- | kkuno: no you don't natilus sucks |
| 22:31.21 | TheLastDodo | Dolphin's hardly better. I'd take Thunar over either one. |
| 22:31.22 | karthikp | Sweet. Just checking. I get a lot of rendering glitches if blur is on. |
| 22:31.25 | kkuno | Ace2017_-, -.- |
| 22:31.41 | Ace2017_- | TheLastDodo: dolphin has tabs and splitview |
| 22:31.44 | Ace2017_- | and a command line |
| 22:31.52 | kkuno | nautilus has tab view |
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| 22:32.02 | Ace2017_- | but nautilus sucks |
| 22:32.04 | sandsmark | so has dolphin |
| 22:32.05 | kkuno | man I know many many people that say dolphin sucks |
| 22:32.07 | josh-l | I wish someone would make this theme for KDE 4... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=603348 |
| 22:32.10 | kkuno | and konqueror was better :D |
| 22:32.11 | josh-l | it is awesome! |
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| 22:32.20 | Half-Left | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.36 | TheLastDodo | kkuno: Given the reaction you're getting here, maybe asking in #gnome might be better? |
| 22:32.36 | karthikp | Dolphin is pretty nice. I like it. |
| 22:32.37 | Ace2017_- | josh-l: thats ugly |
| 22:32.57 | kkuno | TheLastDodo, it's a kde and gnome problem |
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| 22:33.04 | devilsadvocate_ | WickedSmoke, thats true for kicker, but the rest of the tooltips do improve usability (im not saying making it optional is not necessary) |
| 22:33.18 | Ace2017_- | josh-l: and the programs only look good because they've been redesigned to look good with the theme |
| 22:33.35 | WickedSmoke | So what happened to the "KDE is customizable" philosophy? |
| 22:33.47 | karthikp | WickedSmoke: You could file a bug at bko. |
| 22:33.48 | josh-l | ugly no way, i think its goregeous |
| 22:33.49 | devilsadvocate_ | Ace2017_-, tell me how you did that :O everytime i try to save or open in firefox i get that fugly gtk file browser thingy |
| 22:33.51 | Half-Left | it takes to to implement |
| 22:33.57 | Ace2017_- | WickedSmoke: why do you think its not? |
| 22:34.20 | Ace2017_- | devilsadvocate_: did what? |
| 22:34.22 | josh-l | Ace2017_-: i think it looks like kde oxygen, but better |
| 22:34.32 | WickedSmoke | Ace: because there is no option to disable the panel tooltips (which used to exist). |
| 22:34.34 | TheLastDodo | Yes, but at the moment most of the people in here seem to ne moee interested in fanboyism than helping... Maybe the Gnome channel would ne a step up? |
| 22:35.15 | josh-l | is there a kde 4 style how to? |
| 22:35.15 | devilsadvocate_ | Ace2017_-, sorry, i meant kkuno |
| 22:35.35 | kkuno | also, other problem: kde autostarts gnome apps, if I disable them, then they aren't autostarted in gnome too... |
| 22:35.40 | kkuno | that sucks |
| 22:35.41 | kkuno | really |
| 22:35.43 | karthikp | WickedSmoke: Seems the best option is to file a wishlist/bug at bugs.kde.org. |
| 22:36.48 | Half-Left | kkuno: Thats because they work different |
| 22:37.23 | kkuno | ? |
| 22:37.39 | devilsadvocate_ | kkuno, what apps? kde restores its session... not autostarts (generally) the two shoudl not be related |
| 22:37.40 | kkuno | this config sharing is sick, I don't know if it is a xorg protocol |
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| 22:38.01 | kkuno | or maybe it's a distro related problem, dunno |
| 22:38.03 | devilsadvocate_ | kkuno, you should go to grand canaria and tell that to all of them :) |
| 22:38.07 | kkuno | :D |
| 22:38.09 | josh-l | anyone? |
| 22:38.39 | devilsadvocate_ | josh-l, no idea |
| 22:38.43 | kkuno | devilsadvocate_, go to control center, and autostart, there are gnome apps there |
| 22:38.48 | kkuno | and I can't disable them |
| 22:38.57 | Half-Left | Some Distros frequently screw things up, it's rather predictable :p |
| 22:39.29 | kkuno | possible |
| 22:39.34 | kkuno | I will try with ubuntu |
| 22:39.42 | devilsadvocate_ | kkuno, control center as in system settings right? |
| 22:39.44 | Half-Left | 'What! They did that again?' |
| 22:39.47 | kkuno | devilsadvocate_, yep |
| 22:39.48 | Half-Left | :p |
| 22:39.55 | devilsadvocate_ | kkuno, i dont see an autostart :\ |
| 22:40.10 | devilsadvocate_ | oh wait |
| 22:40.21 | kkuno | advanced ---> automatic... |
| 22:40.28 | kkuno | or something like that, I have a different locale |
| 22:40.37 | devilsadvocate_ | hm, i have only the gtk-qt engine on it |
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| 22:41.19 | devilsadvocate_ | i sort of like fluxbox's way of handling this |
| 22:41.31 | devilsadvocate_ | simple, elegant, and almost idiot-proof |
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| 22:41.48 | kkuno | uhm |
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| 22:42.26 | corinth | How can I disable transparency in a panel without disabling desktop composition? openSUSE 11.2 - KDE 4.2.1 |
| 22:42.49 | kkuno | devilsadvocate_, so you haven't advanced --> autostart? |
| 22:42.52 | corinth | *opensuse 11.1 |
| 22:43.05 | thiago_home | corinth: choose another theme |
| 22:43.13 | devilsadvocate_ | kkuno, yes, i have it. the only application on my autostart list is the qt-gtk engine, which is fair |
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| 22:43.27 | corinth | thiago_home: What? How would that help? |
| 22:43.31 | devilsadvocate_ | all my applications actually 'autostart' because kde remembers my session |
| 22:43.33 | Half-Left | corinth: You can't, it's a transparent svg image |
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| 22:44.14 | devilsadvocate_ | kkuno, i dont know how i would autostart on gnome though |
| 22:44.18 | corinth | What image does it use when composition isn't enabled? I really like the blue background it uses. |
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| 22:44.36 | Half-Left | Unless you make the svg file opaque |
| 22:44.39 | kkuno | devilsadvocate_, that's because you don't use gnome |
| 22:45.09 | kkuno | i.e. if you want that gnome-do starts only in gnome, you can't.... |
| 22:45.12 | szal | I'd rather have it back like it was a few days ago.. I use 2 panels, and until yesterday or so one was blue-ish, the other black.. |
| 22:45.13 | devilsadvocate_ | kkuno, i do, actually. i generally dont like autostarting stuff, tbh, so never really tried |
| 22:45.19 | kkuno | ok |
| 22:45.31 | devilsadvocate_ | kkuno, perhaps you can |
| 22:45.33 | kkuno | gnome-do in gnome ---> gnome-do in kde |
| 22:45.39 | devilsadvocate_ | with some creativity :P |
| 22:46.00 | kkuno | yeah with a script that detects if gnome is running |
| 22:46.01 | kkuno | lol |
| 22:46.02 | devilsadvocate_ | kkuno, start a script instead which checks which one is running... there should be a way to do that |
| 22:46.04 | Half-Left | kkuno: Have it autostart in both then, whats the problem? |
| 22:46.26 | kkuno | Half-Left, because I want akragator, not liferea |
| 22:46.33 | Half-Left | Both DE's can start any application automatically |
| 22:47.09 | corinth | Where is the oxygen theme stored? |
| 22:47.15 | devilsadvocate_ | Half-Left, kkuno wants a 'pure' DE experience : gnome on gnome and kde on kde |
| 22:47.28 | kkuno | in kde I want kde apps, and in gnome I want gnome apps, am I crazy? :P |
| 22:47.33 | devilsadvocate_ | which is fair, considering how ugly gtk stuff looks on kde |
| 22:47.38 | kkuno | yep |
| 22:47.51 | Half-Left | And why is that a issue and what is "pure"? |
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| 22:48.18 | josh-l | anyone wanna make a kde style/windeco like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=603348 |
| 22:48.20 | kkuno | it is an issue, because every desktop should autostart the apps I want |
| 22:48.32 | josh-l | or port this which is based on those mockups: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Schwermetall?content=55578 |
| 22:48.34 | josh-l | ! |
| 22:48.37 | Half-Left | Well try Qt4.5 then, it does Clearlooks gnome theme rather damn nice |
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| 22:49.47 | kkuno | yes but what about tcl-tk apps? |
| 22:49.53 | kkuno | and enlightenment apps? |
| 22:50.11 | kkuno | do I have to run all of them? :P |
| 22:50.14 | Half-Left | Are you saying that KDE should be responsible for this? |
| 22:50.18 | kkuno | no |
| 22:50.24 | kkuno | I'm saying that this is an issue |
| 22:50.29 | kkuno | maybe not kde related |
| 22:51.05 | Half-Left | Well put it this way, Qt is the only toolkit that provides other toolkit like theme integration |
| 22:51.47 | Half-Left | You should ask GTK and any other toolkit why they don't do a theme that integrated well it Qt then |
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| 22:53.40 | Half-Left | in* |
| 22:54.06 | Half-Left | with* actually :) |
| 22:54.11 | kkuno | yes sure, but some years ago I can autostart kde apps in kde, and gnome apps in gnome |
| 22:54.15 | Half-Left | It's late :p |
| 22:54.18 | kkuno | I'm wondering what part of linux is changed |
| 22:54.20 | kkuno | :P |
| 22:54.25 | aseigo | gnome |
| 22:54.26 | Half-Left | Eh? |
| 22:54.35 | kkuno | aseigo, sure? |
| 22:54.40 | aseigo | kkuno: positive |
| 22:54.44 | kkuno | :X |
| 22:54.51 | aseigo | kkuno: they ripped out session management support 2 releases ago |
| 22:55.07 | aseigo | kkuno: they are now using autostart files to sorta-kinda-fake-it |
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| 22:55.40 | aseigo | as for L&F, yes, we have done tons on every platform out there to integrate Qt (KDE, GNOME, Windows, Linux) |
| 22:55.52 | kkuno | k |
| 22:55.55 | aseigo | nobody else has done that work |
| 22:56.03 | aseigo | and likely won't |
| 22:56.16 | aseigo | wxWidgets just uses whatever toolkit they feel like on each platform |
| 22:56.34 | aseigo | and gtk+ people couldn't care less; they are happy in their separate silo mentality |
| 22:56.43 | aseigo | same reason why to them swapping ok/cancel button order was just fine |
| 22:56.53 | aseigo | because "nobody else (who matters) exists" |
| 22:57.01 | kkuno | lol |
| 22:57.06 | aseigo | which is rather provably wrong, but we can't let that get in the way, right? |
| 22:57.18 | aseigo | anyways ... so we now swap our button order depending on the desktop shell |
| 22:57.34 | aseigo | they still have the one-way-is-our-way-and-just-fine approach *shrug* |
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| 22:59.22 | who_matters | says now wait a doggone min |
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| 23:01.26 | Half-Left | Well, this is actually proven on distros because they have to create their own theme that looks both good on KDE and GTK |
| 23:01.56 | devilsadvocate_ | aseigo, kde apps have a different button order for ok and cancel when run in gnome and kde? |
| 23:02.11 | kdepepo | There is QtCurve that looks nearly equal on all of KDE3, KDE4, and QtCurve, so why bother... |
| 23:02.23 | aseigo | devilsadvocate_: yes |
| 23:02.26 | devilsadvocate_ | wow |
| 23:02.32 | aseigo | and windows and mac |
| 23:03.03 | Half-Left | kdepepo: Because they don't have a clue about proper integrating the look? |
| 23:03.23 | Half-Left | The method has been out there for along time |
| 23:03.31 | aseigo | we have QDialogButtonGroup that arranges buttons based on the semantic meaning of the buttons and the environment the app is running in |
| 23:03.39 | aseigo | we use that in all KDE dialogs |
| 23:03.42 | aseigo | (and Qt dialogs) |
| 23:03.50 | aseigo | it's magically delicious |
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| 23:04.40 | aseigo | cuznt: wait a minute about which? |
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| 23:05.58 | Klimas | czesc |
| 23:06.00 | josh-l | so anyone got the tallent to make that style?? :) |
| 23:06.03 | Klimas | jest ktoÅ z PL |
| 23:06.05 | Klimas | ? |
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| 23:06.16 | kubek2k_ | Klimas: zaloz se kanal kdepl |
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| 23:17.50 | lovre | is there a kde plasmoid that checks mail |
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| 23:18.25 | devilsadvocate_ | lovre, theres one that integrates with kmail and tells you when your unread count changes |
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| 23:18.44 | lovre | devilsadvocate_: kmail has to be running whole time? |
| 23:19.23 | devilsadvocate_ | lovre, yeah |
| 23:19.35 | devilsadvocate_ | you can get it to minimize to tray, though |
| 23:19.53 | Half-Left | lovre: There are third pary ones |
| 23:20.05 | Half-Left | party* |
| 23:20.12 | aseigo | lovre: we have on based on akonadi in development |
| 23:20.24 | aseigo | lovre: it might make it into 4.3 |
| 23:20.56 | Half-Left | aseigo: :) |
| 23:21.26 | aseigo | it's currently called "lion mail" (i don't know why, really :P) |
| 23:21.56 | devilsadvocate_ | what ever happened to that contacts plasmoid that was on the planet? |
| 23:22.22 | devilsadvocate_ | hm |
| 23:22.41 | lovre | ok thank you all |
| 23:23.05 | Half-Left | devilsadvocate_: You mean the gtalk one? |
| 23:23.36 | devilsadvocate_ | Half-Left, there was one which integrated contacts from kopete, kmail, etc, and had stuff like send im, send email, etc |
| 23:23.57 | devilsadvocate_ | i have vague memories of seeing the screenshots |
| 23:24.12 | Half-Left | Lancelot menu does that |
| 23:24.33 | devilsadvocate_ | ok. this i did not know |
| 23:24.54 | Half-Left | It shows kopete and kmail messages |
| 23:25.12 | Half-Left | and kopete online contacts |
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| 23:26.11 | MinceR | it's called "lion mail" because it's just lion on your panel ;) |
| 23:26.34 | devilsadvocate_ | Half-Left, nice :) search doesnt work on that pane though. |
| 23:26.36 | Half-Left | Awwwwww, boooooo |
| 23:26.49 | corinth | Where is the oxygen plasma theme stored? |
| 23:26.50 | Half-Left | MinceR: Not bad actually :p |
| 23:26.54 | karthikp | I really wanted to like Lancelot. I used it for atleast a couple of months, filed bug reports and well, in the end, I came back to kickoff. I really don't know why... |
| 23:27.35 | devilsadvocate_ | karthikp, i did that last time because kickoff took 1/3 the time to open and paint as lancelot |
| 23:27.46 | Half-Left | corinth: KDEDIR/apps/desktoptheme |
| 23:27.51 | karthikp | That was part of the reason, yes. |
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| 23:28.02 | devilsadvocate_ | but then, i was on hardware in which a simple wristwatch was enough to measure the time it takes to open, so... |
| 23:28.12 | karthikp | :) |
| 23:28.15 | johnrw | do I have to logout for new konqueror service menus to show up in the popup menu? |
| 23:28.17 | corinth | hanks Half-Left |
| 23:28.37 | karthikp | There was also this problem that I kept hitting the wrong pane. |
| 23:29.32 | Half-Left | corinth: Oxygen is called default, if you, the opaque folder is non composited |
| 23:29.52 | karthikp | Starting from the launcher to the top of the favorites menu takes you over two tabs on the left. So, I'd keep landing up in another tab. |
| 23:29.53 | Half-Left | gah |
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| 23:30.23 | Half-Left | I may as well type random stuff at this point :p |
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| 23:30.43 | aseigo | dksald;w |
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| 23:31.10 | Half-Left | Exactly |
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| 23:39.54 | daniel2 | How can I submit a bug with Konquerer? |
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| 23:41.44 | Half-Left | daniel2: https://bugs.kde.org/ |
| 23:42.08 | daniel2 | so all kde programs go on 1 bug site? |
| 23:42.23 | Half-Left | yes |
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| 23:42.46 | Half-Left | All that come with KDE |
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| 23:44.58 | kkuno | aseigo, I have made some investigation |
| 23:45.26 | kkuno | and found that gnome has it's own option in .desktop file to include or exclude an app on autostart |
| 23:45.32 | kkuno | don't know if kde has one |
| 23:45.47 | kkuno | should has one |
| 23:46.00 | kkuno | so almost is not gnome's fault |
| 23:46.14 | devilsadvocate_ | kkuno, thats a wierd place to have that option ... |
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| 23:47.25 | kkuno | well the alternative is to use a different autostart protocol |
| 23:47.47 | Jucato | kkuno: it's a freedesktop.org standard. so the feature is both in KDE and GNOME |
| 23:49.12 | kkuno | I'm searching for a reference of the .desktop standard |
| 23:49.28 | kkuno | ok found |
| 23:49.36 | devilsadvocate_ | so who/what exactly does the autostart, if the application has to proactively refuse to autostart (from .desktop)? I would have expected autostart would have to go and start the applications it wants to starts... that puts the config in one nice central place (~/.fluxbox/startup, for example) |
| 23:50.03 | Jucato | devilsadvocate_: central place = ~/.config/autostart/ |
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| 23:50.22 | Jucato | (KDE has an alternative KDE-only place per user in ~/.kde/Autostart/ ) |
| 23:50.59 | Jucato | kkuno: the Autostart module in System Settings has an (advanced) option to "start in KDE". that specifically marks it to start only in KDE. |
| 23:51.14 | devilsadvocate_ | see, that makes sense. you put in the .desktop file in autostart and it starts, or some such thing, right? :/ |
| 23:51.52 | kkuno | Jucato, yeah but if I want to start an app in all dekstop except kde I can't |
| 23:51.52 | devilsadvocate_ | still doesnt see why there should be an additional hook inside individual .desktop files |
| 23:52.05 | kkuno | gnome has X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=false option |
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| 23:52.23 | kkuno | I don't know if X-KDE-Autostart-enabled=false works |
| 23:52.40 | devilsadvocate_ | gets it now |
| 23:52.44 | devilsadvocate_ | Jucato, thanks |
| 23:53.23 | Jucato | KDE uses OnlyShowIn=KDE; |
| 23:53.32 | Jucato | but that would be the reverse of what you want i guess |
| 23:53.42 | kkuno | yeah there is also OnlyShowIn=GNOME |
| 23:53.47 | kkuno | yeah |
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| 23:54.06 | pinotree | <kkuno> Jucato, yeah but if I want to start an app in all dekstop except kde I can't â NotShownIn=KDE; |
| 23:54.40 | kkuno | and i don't know if it is fair that a desktop can disable autostart apps with onlyshow in option, but it is a xorg standard, so I can't complain :S |
| 23:54.47 | kkuno | pinotree, ah ok thanks :D |
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| 23:54.58 | kkuno | that's the option I was searching |
| 23:55.25 | devilsadvocate_ | kkuno, that particular option doesnt look like something KDE added... the name doesnt specify a DE |
| 23:55.27 | kkuno | <kkuno> and i don't know if it is fair that a desktop can disable autostart apps of other desktops with onlyshow in option, but it is a xorg standard, so I can't complain :S |
| 23:55.30 | Jucato | it's not an "xorg standard". it's a freedesktop.org (desktop entry) standard |
| 23:55.46 | kkuno | yes sorry |
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| 23:57.15 | kkuno | it would be great if notshowin option would be integrated in kde settings :D |
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| 23:58.51 | Half-Left | It has a "Exclude" option |
