| 00:00.36 | Jucato | Half-Left: that's a bit different and relies on the session manager. but it's a workaround |
| 00:00.59 | kkuno | uhm I see only the enable/disable checkbox and the start only in kde option |
| 00:01.06 | Half-Left | You mean the app to be supported? |
| 00:01.25 | Jucato | kkuno: Half-Left's talking about the Session Manager options |
| 00:01.40 | Jucato | Half-Left: kkuno's talking about the Autostart module |
| 00:01.49 | kmg | Q on Akregator (v1.4.1): How to I get a list of articles for a Feed? Currently, the right pane only shows general Feed details (URL & etc). |
| 00:01.50 | kkuno | ah |
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| 00:03.09 | Half-Left | :) |
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| 00:03.40 | kkuno | brb |
| 00:03.41 | Half-Left | Night |
| 00:03.46 | kkuno | night |
| 00:03.47 | kkuno | :S |
| 00:04.02 | josh-l | so here is my request :) http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Avant+%5BREQUEST!%5D?action=content&content=101283 |
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| 00:06.25 | daniel2 | I noticed if you use a dark theme, a lot of applications dont display text properly. |
| 00:07.31 | Jucato | "a lot"? I only have one consistent offender in mind though... |
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| 00:09.15 | phoenixz | Is there a way / command in shell that I can cat the contents of a text filie to the clipboard of KDE? |
| 00:09.42 | phoenixz | like cat textfile > /dev/kde/clipboard (just a silly example, but it shows the idea) |
| 00:10.29 | joshua_ | can dolphin save window style? |
| 00:10.47 | phoenixz | joshua_: you mean like position and all? |
| 00:10.53 | joshua_ | i mean window size |
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| 00:11.27 | Ace2017_- | phoenixz: why do you need to? |
| 00:11.31 | joshua_ | phoenixz: window size? |
| 00:11.32 | phoenixz | joshua_: KDE4? that can be done with configure window behaviour.. |
| 00:11.36 | Jucato | that's KWin's job. and yes, most of the time sizes are remembered |
| 00:11.39 | joshua_ | oh right thanks |
| 00:12.10 | joshua_ | yup that was it thx |
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| 00:13.14 | phoenixz | Ace2017_-: I have a 2000 line text file and I need the text copied in the clipboard to paste in gmail... it would be a nice linux extra if it were poossible :) |
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| 00:13.53 | devilsadvocate_ | wonders if dumping 2000 lines onto the clipboard is a good idea |
| 00:14.08 | Ace2017_- | devilsadvocate_: how else can you copy it ... |
| 00:14.33 | devilsadvocate_ | Ace2017_-, email the file itself? |
| 00:14.34 | karthikp | wonders what the max size is for the contents of the clipboard... |
| 00:14.39 | phoenixz | devilsadvocate_: I can select 2000 lines in a GUI editor, surely... but a command for this would be lots faster |
| 00:14.46 | Jucato | the only way I can think of: qdbus org.kde.klipper /klipper setClipboardContents "$(cat filename)" |
| 00:15.04 | Ace2017_- | ALIAS THAT! |
| 00:15.08 | Jucato | someone asked the same question the other day. one other answer is using xclip |
| 00:16.50 | pinotree | clips Jucato to klipper |
| 00:17.10 | Jucato | as long as it's not Clippy... :) |
| 00:17.13 | Ace2017_- | pinotree: file too large, no way it could hold his mind |
| 00:17.34 | Jucato | you overestimate the contents of my mind :) |
| 00:17.46 | pinotree | Jucato: bad luck, it is Clippy, BWHAHAHA |
| 00:17.52 | Jucato | nooooo |
| 00:17.58 | pinotree | comes back to his distracting ksudoku |
| 00:18.03 | phoenixz | Jucato: that sounds okay.. should exist in some script though.. :) I'll make one |
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| 00:39.38 | kdepepo | daniel2, a lot? which? |
| 00:40.04 | v6lur | could someone tell me the difference betweet %f and %u in konqueror servicemenus and such? (KDE 3.5.10, if that makes any differince) |
| 00:40.13 | daniel2 | kdepepo, Well, The internet browsers except opera for one. |
| 00:41.04 | sandsmark | v6lur: iirc, %f if the application doesn't support reading directly over network |
| 00:41.04 | v6lur | they seem to produce exactly the same string... |
| 00:41.21 | lwizardl | anyone know of a chat channel for Lemon POS? |
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| 00:41.45 | v6lur | so %u aads protocol, if needed? |
| 00:41.50 | v6lur | adds* |
| 00:42.37 | sandsmark | v6lur: yeah, and %f downloads the file first, and uploads it back if it changes (at least in 4.2, iirc) |
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| 00:43.01 | kdepepo | daniel2, "browsers"? you mean non KDE applications? |
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| 00:43.11 | daniel2 | kdepepo, Even konquerer. |
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| 00:43.24 | v6lur | ok, thank you, sandsmark |
| 00:43.25 | kdepepo | daniel2, you are talking about the web content? |
| 00:43.29 | sandsmark | np |
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| 00:43.30 | daniel2 | kdepepo, Yes. |
| 00:43.57 | kdepepo | daniel2, that pages should be fixed or offer matching CSS schemes. |
| 00:44.09 | daniel2 | heh. |
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| 01:12.52 | cypr1nus | has anyone seen the big use of kde4.2.1? after 15hrs it 'eats' 1.8GB of RAM with the same number of applications started like on the beggining. No garbage collecting enough or memory leaks? |
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| 01:18.04 | sandsmark | cypr1nus: what is using memory ? |
| 01:18.16 | sandsmark | hit ctrl+esc, and sort by memory usage |
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| 01:20.06 | cypr1nus | holy! dbus-daemon = 671MB |
| 01:20.11 | cypr1nus | X = 548MB |
| 01:20.17 | cypr1nus | juk 148MB |
| 01:20.20 | sandsmark | dbus isn't KDE |
| 01:20.31 | cypr1nus | nepomukservices 92 |
| 01:20.41 | cypr1nus | plasma 38 |
| 01:20.44 | sandsmark | looks like juk is leaking |
| 01:21.08 | sandsmark | try restarting juk, and spank mpyne :) |
| 01:22.44 | cypr1nus | juk 115 by now |
| 01:22.46 | sandsmark | you might be running old versions or something, I leave my laptop on for days, and dbus-daemon uses only 740kb of memory, and x uses 270 |
| 01:22.56 | joshua_ | anyone know how i can hack the Glassified plasma theme so that the panel looks right at a smaller size? |
| 01:23.15 | cypr1nus | sandsmark: nope, i've got always up2date |
| 01:23.24 | sandsmark | which distro ? |
| 01:23.44 | cypr1nus | gentoo |
| 01:23.47 | sandsmark | has dbus 1.2.4.4permissive-1 |
| 01:24.03 | sandsmark | well, then you've probably screwed up some useflags or something :p |
| 01:24.26 | cypr1nus | it's always about USE flags :p |
| 01:24.42 | sandsmark | that's one reason I don't use gentoo anymore :p |
| 01:24.54 | joshua_ | N-E oney? |
| 01:25.14 | cypr1nus | leave principals |
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| 01:26.01 | sandsmark | the worst memory hog here, is nepomukservices, with ~300MB, and that's about the size of the index, which makes sense to keep in memory |
| 01:26.29 | sandsmark | but goodnight |
| 01:26.55 | cypr1nus | size if the index? |
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| 01:35.49 | Zarin | Jucato, actually it's not KWin's job to remember window sizes. Currently that's handled by kdelibs |
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| 01:45.54 | nate_ | my k menu button disapeared how can i get it back |
| 01:47.47 | nate_ | any..... |
| 01:49.21 | nate_ | thoughts...... |
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| 01:59.08 | doleyb | nate_: well, you right click down there, add widget, add program launcher |
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| 02:15.42 | devilsadvocate_ | is it normal for krunner to show multiple (right now 2) copies of icons? :/ |
| 02:16.09 | drantin | happens here for some apps |
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| 02:17.09 | junwei | kk |
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| 03:46.53 | hazard_ | I seem to have an issue with copy/pasting to/from urxvt. I can highlight to copy like normal (At least, I think that's what the appearance of the highlighted text in klipper means.), but can't figure out how to paste it. |
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| 03:58.47 | hoban | evening all. how can I disable workspace switching if mouse wheel is scrolled on desktop? |
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| 04:21.37 | dartmouth | does anyone know what causes this error? http://pastebin.com/m607e626f |
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| 04:27.00 | hazard_ | How do I adjust window decoration sizes? I have a resolution of 1280X800, but these windows look like 800X600 they're so big. |
| 04:28.04 | kdepepo | hazard_, use a different decoration, there are some on kde-look.org |
| 04:28.20 | dartmouth | is kde4 difficult to build from source? |
| 04:29.38 | Jucato | hazard_: are you sure you're actually running on 1280x800? check System Settings -> Display |
| 04:29.39 | kdepepo | dartmouth, if you have a "undefined symbol error" you are mixing different versions of libraries. Remove distro packages when compiling your own KDE. |
| 04:30.09 | dartmouth | kdepepo: how can I tell where the conflicts are? |
| 04:30.51 | kdepepo | dartmouth, classes starting with Q are Qt classes :) |
| 04:31.32 | dartmouth | kdepepo: so is that a problem with having Qt3 installed at the same times as Qt4? |
| 04:31.36 | kdepepo | dartmouth, so you probably compiled with Qt 4.5 headers but have Qt 4.4 installed. |
| 04:31.47 | dartmouth | i didn't even compile it. |
| 04:31.55 | dartmouth | they were slackware binary packages |
| 04:32.02 | dartmouth | i think im just going to build it from source |
| 04:32.24 | kdepepo | dartmouth, then ask your packager what requirements the packages have. |
| 04:32.31 | dartmouth | i just wanted to make sure that it wasn't going to be too difficult |
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| 04:33.16 | dartmouth | kdepepo: they're unresponsive most of the time lol i'd really rather not wait.....********i would like to build it from source if i can get confirmation that it's not regarded as a fool's errand****** |
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| 04:34.04 | kdepepo | dartmouth, if you are patient to READ, it isn't hard, the description is on techbase.kde.org |
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| 04:39.29 | hazard_ | kdepepo: Thanks. |
| 04:39.36 | hazard_ | Jucato: I'm sure. |
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| 04:42.33 | hazard_ | kdepepo: How do I know if I have Compiz/Beryl/WhatHaveYou? |
| 04:42.45 | corigo1 | Why are my open applications adding to the task bar in reverse order? |
| 04:43.20 | kdepepo | hazard, if you did not setup anything, you could ask in distributions channel what the defaults are. |
| 04:43.34 | hazard | corigo1: I noticed that too, though I kind of like it. The way I use my panel (on the right) it makes them work like "the stack" |
| 04:44.15 | hazard | kdepepo: I would, but for the fact that I got banned from that channel already. They didn't like the fact that I didn't trust their binaries but use an RPM based distro. |
| 04:44.46 | Jucato | hazard: press Ctrl+Esc, if kwin is running, then you're using kwin. if compiz or something like that, then it's compiz you're running |
| 04:45.17 | kdepepo | hazard, which distro are you using, and in which channel did they ban you |
| 04:45.30 | hazard | Jucato: Thanks a heap. Nice to know that's there. |
| 04:45.39 | hazard | kdepepo: CentOS. |
| 04:45.55 | kdepepo | hazard, that is a fedora spinoff, right? |
| 04:46.03 | Jucato | RH |
| 04:46.27 | hazard | kdepepo: Related, but not a spinoff. CentOS is the unbranded RHEL. |
| 04:46.33 | kdepepo | ah |
| 04:46.36 | PeterFA | kpatience game 567136984 cannot be won. |
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| 04:47.51 | Crell | Hi all. Is this the right channel to ask about KDE development, or is there somewhere else I should be asking? (I'm trying to compile a project to help test it, and running into problems. I'm very much not a C/Qt developer.) |
| 04:49.07 | kdepepo | Crell, what is your real question |
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| 04:50.38 | Crell | I'm trying to run a compile of kdevplatform, and part way through I get an error that makeobj is missing. The author of the build script recommends the kdesdk-scripts package (I'm on Kubuntu), which still leaves me with an error that /usr/games/makeobj (??) is missing. I've also tried the simutrans-makeobj package, but that bails out with the makeobj help screen, which to me implies the script is not calling it correctly. |
| 04:50.51 | Crell | http://milianw.de/blog/building-kdevplatform-kdevelop-and-the-php-plugin-from-svn <-- the instructions I'm following. |
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| 04:51.40 | kdepepo | makeobj is a script in /trunk/KDE/kdesdk/scripts/ |
| 04:51.48 | Crell | hm |
| 04:52.00 | Crell | OK, Um.. which means? |
| 04:52.46 | Crell | I'm a PHP developer. My knowledge of C++/Qt/KDE development is limited to reading the Qt3 quickstart guide about 5 years ago and doing nothing with it, I'm afraid. |
| 04:54.18 | kdepepo | Crell, maybe install snapshot packages, many distributions offer nightly builds of KDE components. |
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| 04:54.45 | Crell | I suspect the php plugin wouldn't be included in that. |
| 04:55.07 | kdepepo | Crell, where did you get that from? |
| 04:55.21 | Crell | Get which? The post I just linked? |
| 04:56.19 | kdepepo | Crell, did you install "kdesdk-scripts" as documented there? |
| 04:56.32 | Crell | Yes. |
| 04:56.40 | kdepepo | Crell, what does "which makeobj" say |
| 04:57.01 | Crell | It says /usr/bin/makeobj |
| 04:57.26 | hazard | kdepepo: The more I look at it, I think I've misstated the problem. Misunderstood, really. |
| 04:57.29 | Crell | The build script, though, gives me an error that it's looking for it in /usr/games/makeobj. Which is weird. |
| 04:57.40 | kdepepo | can you pastebin the error about "makeobj is missing" |
| 04:57.43 | hazard | kdepepo: I don't think it's just the decorations that appear huge, the whole window does. |
| 04:57.52 | Crell | bash: /usr/games/makeobj: No such file or directory |
| 04:58.09 | Crell | Which comes after a long line of "Built target X" statements. |
| 04:58.18 | kdepepo | hazard, then use a different widget theme. Skulpture has configurable sizes. |
| 04:58.52 | hazard | kdepepo: Thanks, I'll look at that next. |
| 04:59.25 | kdepepo | hazard, maybe you just need to reduce font sizes :) |
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| 05:00.24 | Crell | kdepepo: I'm tempted to just setup a symlink and see what happens, but that strikes me as a hack that's going to bite me later. :-) |
| 05:00.33 | hazard | kdepepo: I'm not ruling anything out. I've rarely used graphic environments, and as such have little idea what I'm doing. |
| 05:02.45 | hazard | kdepepo: That's definitely a step in the right direction. Things look better, even though they're a bit harder to read. Any other ideas of parts that might be keeping the size large? |
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| 05:05.27 | Che-Anarc | Something is not right with the runnin of old kde-3.x aps on kde-4 as well as gtk stuff? not sure.... is there a global level log of kde events? like aps run / crashed, etc? |
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| 05:08.43 | Crell | kdepepo: Any suggestions? The games thing is confusing me. |
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| 05:48.21 | Crell | OK, I think I got that worked out. |
| 05:48.37 | Crell | So now that I've got kdevelop trunk compiling... how do I run it after make install? :-) |
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| 05:49.39 | Crell | Ah, there's the executable. |
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| 05:54.03 | Crell | OK, so if I have a kdevelop .so plugin in lib/kde4, how do I get it to show up in KDevelop itself? |
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| 07:31.29 | debian_noob | Hi |
| 07:31.44 | debian_noob | how do i install kde4 on my PC? |
| 07:31.53 | debian_noob | i am runnind kde3.5 now |
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| 07:32.30 | debian_noob | Do i have to add some repos or what? |
| 07:32.40 | doleyb | debian_noob: You'd probably want to ask #debian people that.. |
| 07:32.48 | debian_noob | Why? |
| 07:33.08 | debian_noob | You people probably know how to set up KDE4 |
| 07:33.09 | doleyb | debian_noob: Well because KDE is found in many distros, and kde people won't necessarily know how you install. |
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| 07:33.30 | debian_noob | doleyb:Then what do you know? |
| 07:34.40 | Jucato | debian_noob: KDE itself is distributed in source code form. Distributions then take these and package them for their users, usually in binary form. as different distributions name and install their packages differently, you will have to ask in your distribution channel how to install their KDE packages |
| 07:34.58 | debian_noob | ok |
| 07:34.59 | debian_noob | thanks |
| 07:35.01 | debian_noob | bye |
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| 07:36.16 | Dumble | Hello world ! |
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| 07:46.49 | iomari | in my desktop folder view (kde 4.2.65) I have 8 folders and suddenly this morning, 4 of them lost their folder icons and now have generic icons that look like a sheet of paper with a fold in the corner. What happened? |
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| 07:48.07 | doleyb | iomari: Are any of your drives not mounted? |
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| 08:22.02 | iomari | doleyb, thanks, that was it. one more question. how can I get program shortcuts in the folder view with their icons showing? |
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| 08:34.15 | kodzak | hello |
| 08:34.18 | kodzak | one ask |
| 08:34.26 | kodzak | how to make diferent wallpapers on kde in diferent desktop |
| 08:34.36 | kodzak | on kde 4.2 |
| 08:36.16 | messerting | kodzak: good question - I couldn't find it either |
| 08:36.36 | kodzak | I get the anwser |
| 08:36.41 | kodzak | now it's imposible |
| 08:36.44 | kodzak | only in svn version |
| 08:36.50 | kodzak | fu** the rules |
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| 09:35.27 | misticwarrior | hey... is there someone here ? |
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| 09:54.53 | petelewis | hey folks, can someone do a v quick experiment for me? |
| 09:55.32 | petelewis | put http://www.ieee.org/go/join_student into konqueror and see if it complains about the link being broken? |
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| 09:55.45 | petelewis | it does for me, though works fine in firefox |
| 09:57.17 | cb400f | for me with konq 4.2 it also complains about connection problems.. in opera the page also seems highly annoying, but it fares a bit better |
| 09:58.01 | petelewis | thanks cb400f... i wonder what the problem is |
| 09:58.15 | freinhard | right, konqueror has connection problems. rekonq does the job well. go webkit go! |
| 09:58.18 | petelewis | in FF it just seems to work (that might just mean that firefox is ignoring the problem though) |
| 09:58.27 | petelewis | lol |
| 09:59.16 | petelewis | is this likely to be a khtml problem or a problem with the website? |
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| 10:19.06 | bkw | The behavior of shift-insert in xterm and konsole seem to be different. In xterm i pastes selected text, in konsole it does only paste from xclipboard. Is it possible to get xterm behavior for shift+insert in konsole? |
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| 10:26.32 | bkw | ctrl+shift+insert did insert from selection in konsole.. |
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| 10:35.30 | shadeslayer | hi,dolphin does not automount my CD,what do i do?? |
| 10:35.52 | shadeslayer | nautilus can mount the CD easily |
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| 10:37.54 | sandsmark | shadeslayer: I just click the CD and it gets mounted |
| 10:38.09 | shadeslayer | sandsmark: i cant even see the CD |
| 10:38.21 | sandsmark | what distro are you using ? |
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| 10:39.12 | shadeslayer | sandsmark: kubuntu |
| 10:39.23 | sandsmark | try asking in #kubuntu |
| 10:39.54 | shadeslayer | sandsmark: actually i did,ran all mount commmands,played with fstab,etc nothing works |
| 10:40.15 | sandsmark | you shouldn't have to deal with fstab, since we have HAL |
| 10:40.35 | sandsmark | shadeslayer: it really sounds like a distribution problem, ask in #kubuntu |
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| 10:40.53 | shadeslayer | sandsmark: something regarding hal too,powertop seems to have disabled it |
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| 10:40.59 | shadeslayer | ok |
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| 10:41.03 | sandsmark | :> |
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| 10:44.23 | Foriskak | I've upgraded kde and now the windows in the taskbar have their titles in some sort of shadow effect |
| 10:44.27 | Foriskak | how to turn off? |
| 10:44.37 | sandsmark | change theme ? |
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| 10:45.00 | sandsmark | I don't think the default KDE Oxygen theme has any shadow there |
| 10:45.05 | sandsmark | Foriskak: opensuse or something ? |
| 10:45.29 | Foriskak | fedora core |
| 10:45.35 | Foriskak | yes, oxygen theme selected |
| 10:45.36 | Foriskak | hmm |
| 10:45.39 | sandsmark | odd |
| 10:47.47 | Foriskak | it's just the taskbar |
| 10:47.55 | Foriskak | clock is also half light half dark |
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| 11:00.10 | mkpaa | any idea why kde 4.2 (intrepid) suddenly started asking password when returning from screensaver? it is set off in settings and the "problem" started with upgrade few days ago |
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| 11:02.20 | comawhite | anyone know why my keyboard is broke in 4.2.66? |
| 11:02.29 | comawhite | like some keys will work, while others won't |
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| 11:03.06 | comawhite | but it works perfect in console mode, and in kdm, but not when it goes directly into kde |
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| 11:35.47 | Dimple | Hej. I'm running kde-4.2.1 and I'd like to change a systray icon. How do I do this? |
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| 11:39.16 | Scorpiion | I have an button on my mouse that is automaticly works as "back" in firefox... how do a fix so it works like that in konqueror/dolphin/arora? |
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| 11:44.02 | vortec | hi, is there a general way to disallow programs in the panel to group? |
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| 11:45.48 | draugdel | right click on task manager -> task manager settings -> grouping |
| 11:46.01 | draugdel | -> do not group ;) |
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| 11:46.22 | vortec | draugdel: woohoo :) |
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| 11:46.51 | vortec | also, sometimes KDE apps like dolphin or kedit start in fullscreen mode, which is mostly not the way i want it. can i avoid that too, somehow? |
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| 11:47.27 | pinotree | are you using compiz? |
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| 11:47.48 | poutsi | hey, when switching from an external monitor to my laptop's screen, some widgets are left outside the desktop (beyond the right edge). Can I prevent that?? |
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| 11:48.04 | vortec | pinotree: yes |
| 11:48.22 | pinotree | known compiz (mis)behaviour, â #compiz-fusion |
| 11:48.52 | vortec | thanks guys :) |
| 11:48.53 | comawhite | can anyone help me with 4.2.66 kde. some keys won't work on the keyboard while others work. like my keyboard will work in xdm, without x running and in kdm but when it boots straight into kde4.2 only some keys work |
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| 11:53.03 | comawhite | ill brb lemme see if this hint I found works |
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| 12:04.58 | phpmysql | I need a way/program to sort windows vert/horiz by a shortcut.. |
| 12:04.59 | phpmysql | anyone? |
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| 12:09.59 | comawhite | hmm apparently finally got my keyboard to work but something is strange I need to use ctrl + )_+ to get 0-= to work |
| 12:10.03 | comawhite | any clues please? |
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| 12:42.35 | sangi | hi all |
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| 12:43.11 | sangi | is there any command in kde to get the architechture of a particular package |
| 12:43.23 | sandsmark | kde doesn't provide packages |
| 12:45.17 | sangi | sandsmark, kdesktop,kdebase are packages know |
| 12:46.06 | cb400f | your distro provided those.. not kde |
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| 13:10.36 | GnuBOi | Guys, i have KDE 4.2 and the thing is that Konqueror doesn't display the reference page of acid3 test could anybody check in their konqueror |
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| 13:14.32 | GnuBOi | did anybody can reply to me |
| 13:14.54 | freinhard | GnuBOi: i used http://acid3.acidtests.org/ works |
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| 13:15.33 | freinhard | GnuBOi: 85/100 for konqueror, 100/100 for rekonq |
| 13:16.59 | Jucato | I think what GnuBOi was referring to was http://acid3.acidtests.org/reference.html which doesn't load properly in Konq 4.2.1 |
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| 13:17.10 | Jucato | (no bg box, no colored boxes) |
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| 13:51.31 | twouters | Hi, anyone here using synaptics touchpad with kde? I'm having some pretty strange behaviour: when I'm working in kde/qt apps tapping works just fine, but when i switch to a gtk app I have to click once in the application to be able to use tapping |
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| 13:52.55 | twouters | hm, nevermind, i guess it's more random than it seemed at first |
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| 13:53.51 | auxsvr | hi |
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| 13:54.44 | auxsvr | does anyone else have problems with konqueror, cookies, javascript & settings in KDE 4.2.1? |
| 13:55.11 | auxsvr | konqueror occasionally stays in memory after closing it |
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| 13:55.18 | auxsvr | same for kio_http |
| 13:55.47 | auxsvr | cookie settings aren't preserved |
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| 13:59.41 | auxsvr | opensuse 11.1 |
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| 14:11.24 | chris-rc1 | hello |
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| 14:11.44 | chris-rc1 | why do i get different values in kdf and df -h ?? |
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| 14:17.18 | freinhard | chris-rc1: i don't. |
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| 14:20.09 | chris-rc1 | freinhard: so your 'used'-precentages are the same in kdf and df? |
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| 14:22.46 | freinhard | chris-rc1: sry didn't look at the percentages. df: 51%, kdf: 53% |
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| 14:23.35 | chris-rc1 | freinhard: did you have a look at the used and free values in df? do they add up? |
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| 14:24.32 | chris-rc1 | my /tmp is 9.9 GB, df says 9.2 are free, but only 150 MB used |
| 14:24.53 | auxsvr | chris-rc1: df doesn't add the space preserved for root IIRC |
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| 14:26.02 | freinhard | chris-rc1: / 24.8G free in kdf, 25G free in df. |
| 14:27.17 | Moult | hey guys, on kopete didnt' it used to tell you when a contact has closed the chat window? there was some sort of notification. how come i don't receive it any more? |
| 14:29.01 | Welsh_Dwarf | Great, puppet works fine when compiled with ruby 1.8.7. thanks all |
| 14:29.11 | Welsh_Dwarf | sorry, worng group |
| 14:29.19 | Welsh_Dwarf | hangs his head in shame |
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| 14:29.56 | auxsvr | also one more thing with kopete and the addressbook: the link only works if I restart kopete |
| 14:30.06 | auxsvr | otherwise I get blank names |
| 14:31.06 | chris-rc1 | auxsvr: can you explain this in more detail pls? |
| 14:33.13 | auxsvr | chris-rc1: ext3 preserves 5% by default for root |
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| 14:41.47 | chris-rc1 | auxsvr: ok, but this still doesn't add up, cause df shows a different partition size than kdf (and the difference is not 5%) |
| 14:42.09 | chris-rc1 | ls |
| 14:43.00 | auxsvr | chris-rc1: I don't know how kdf works, sorry |
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| 14:47.25 | chris-rc1 | auxsvr: thanks anyway |
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| 14:55.41 | auxsvr | chris-rc1: on my system, the difference between df and kdf % is roughly the rounding error |
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| 14:57.46 | chris-rc1 | auxsvr: you mean there is virtually no difference? |
| 14:57.58 | auxsvr | chris-rc1: yes |
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| 14:58.15 | chris-rc1 | auxsvr: and you use ext3? |
| 14:58.30 | auxsvr | chris-rc1: both ext3 and reiser |
| 14:58.59 | chris-rc1 | auxsvr: wait, the partition sizes are the same in df and kdf, right? |
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| 14:59.50 | auxsvr | chris-rc1: +-1GB difference |
| 15:00.54 | chris-rc1 | auxsvr: well, my home has 218g according to df and 202 according to kdf |
| 15:01.03 | thiago | df -h ? |
| 15:01.10 | chris-rc1 | yes |
| 15:01.12 | thiago | or df -H ? |
| 15:01.27 | thiago | what's the actual size in kilobytes? |
| 15:01.35 | chris-rc1 | not the 1000 power |
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| 15:04.30 | chris-rc1 | all partitions have a difference between roughly 5% and 8% |
| 15:05.21 | chris-rc1 | sounds like a big deviation |
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| 15:13.20 | Scorpiion | in kde4.. this little thing up in the right corner.. can make that one disapear? |
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| 15:17.01 | sandsmark | Scorpiion: install the âI hate the cashewâ-plasmoid |
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| 15:17.44 | Jucato | mine mysteriously disappeared when I put a(nother) panel at the top... not that I actually wanted it to disappear... |
| 15:18.20 | Scorpiion | okey.. :P |
| 15:19.05 | Scorpiion | yeah puting that panel on the top makes in disapear. :P |
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| 15:40.03 | ultrav1olet | How can I unhide Konsole's menu bar in KDE 4.2? |
| 15:40.19 | thiago | right-click |
| 15:40.55 | ultrav1olet | where? :) |
| 15:41.01 | cb400f | ctrl+m |
| 15:41.10 | ultrav1olet | Ctrl + M doesn't work |
| 15:41.18 | ultrav1olet | right click but where? |
| 15:41.43 | thiago | what's the biggest target you have? |
| 15:41.50 | ultrav1olet | tab bar :) |
| 15:41.56 | thiago | bigger |
| 15:42.09 | ultrav1olet | shell? |
| 15:42.11 | thiago | yes :-) |
| 15:42.21 | ultrav1olet | right click doesn't work there :) |
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| 15:42.27 | thiago | you can't right-click? |
| 15:42.34 | ultrav1olet | yep |
| 15:42.40 | thiago | then you can't get the menu bar back |
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| 15:43.25 | cjae | would the automunt system in kde 4.2 be preventing me from veifying my discs in k3b |
| 15:43.35 | cjae | automount |
| 15:43.42 | ultrav1olet | in a new konsole instance I was finally able to right click :) In a current konsole right clicking doesn't work :( |
| 15:43.44 | elliotw2 | Is it a known bug of the KDE themes overriding Firefox themes? |
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| 15:43.56 | thiago | cjae: automount? |
| 15:44.03 | thiago | elliotw2: KDE doesn't do anything to firefox |
| 15:44.13 | Jucato | KDE 4 doesn't actually automount |
| 15:44.25 | elliotw2 | If you have a dark theme in KDE4, it makes Firefox's text boxes and such dark |
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| 15:44.42 | elliotw2 | And leaves the fonts black, resulting in trouble |
| 15:44.50 | ultrav1olet | elliotw2: do you have gtk-qt engine installed? |
| 15:44.55 | thiago | elliotw2: there's a setting in KDE that says "apply KDE colours to non-KDE applications" |
| 15:44.58 | thiago | check system settings |
| 15:45.00 | elliotw2 | Alright |
| 15:45.05 | thiago | it basically writes to the X database and ~/.gtkrc |
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| 15:45.52 | cjae | thiago you know when you put in a disc and it mounts it and opens your gui explorer |
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| 15:45.58 | thiago | right |
| 15:46.00 | thiago | it doesn't do that |
| 15:46.23 | thiago | when you insert a disc, the new device notification shows up. But it doesn't automatically mount or launch Dolphin. |
| 15:46.32 | elliotw2 | Unless you changed the settings |
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| 15:47.37 | cjae | thiago when the eject button is on that doesn't mean its mounted? |
| 15:47.58 | thiago | no |
| 15:48.00 | cjae | I typed mount but dont see it |
| 15:48.01 | cjae | ok |
| 15:48.05 | thiago | you can eject unmounted stuff |
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| 15:48.33 | cjae | ok so any ideas why I cant verify? |
| 15:48.49 | thiago | no, sorry |
| 15:48.52 | cjae | ok |
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| 16:02.35 | jordoex | why does the second clock in plasma jump oddly? |
| 16:02.46 | jordoex | it's only started happening in 4.2.1 |
| 16:03.09 | jordoex | and it happens in both ubuntu and windows |
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| 16:09.15 | soa2ii | Don't know if this is a good question here... what can I do if I forgot my password to kde-look.org and my mail isn't valid either? I moved my domain and now I just wanted to correct some urls :S |
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| 16:14.56 | sav1o | mates, :) I must say I'm amused with KDE; the whole project is proving to be serious and so-ahead-of-its-time. I don't find such good open source project around. not even these big ones like firefox and open office perhaps. KDE is awesome, an example of successfull project dude. I had to say that to someone related to the project :) ok I now I did. |
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| 16:16.04 | Jejem | yay sav1o you rock guy ! |
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| 16:16.55 | DDevine | sav1o: That's good to hear after the "KDE 4.0 SUCKS BIG TIME" incident. |
| 16:17.14 | DDevine | Obviously 4.1 and very much so 4.2 are awesome. |
| 16:19.03 | sav1o | heh in my work place everybody used to say that about KDE; as a parrot repeating what they heard in the news. but that didn't last long after they saw kde 4.2 in my desktop. no joke, everybody stops in front of my monitor and keep asking "wow, what is this?! that's awesome" and blablabla. :) |
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| 16:20.23 | sav1o | and they don't have a clue about usability yet. |
| 16:22.51 | sav1o | anyway :) congratz all. I'm sure good feedbacks will come in a near future and the bad judments will be gone. |
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| 16:23.00 | sav1o | no doubt at all. |
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| 16:26.55 | cb400f | sav1o: I whish you were right ;-) .. I'm sure there'll be quite a bit of ranting and whining for some time to come :-( |
| 16:27.28 | cb400f | participated in yet another "kde4 sucks" mailing list thread as late as yesterday |
| 16:27.54 | cb400f | but at least the worst should be behind us ;-) |
| 16:27.56 | sav1o | there aint no args agains facts. kde is ahead of its time, so it's just a matter of time until people figure. this is so clear to me. |
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| 16:28.30 | freinhard | where in the kde sources are web-shortcuts? |
| 16:28.32 | Yagami | cb400f: which one? |
| 16:28.41 | cb400f | opensuse-kde |
| 16:29.00 | Yagami | cb400f: the guy who started it is an idiot |
| 16:29.11 | sav1o | I bet the farm on that :) |
| 16:29.37 | Yagami | he claims to be an opensuse user for 15 years ... opensuse is not 15 years old |
| 16:29.50 | sav1o | Suse is. |
| 16:30.00 | cb400f | think the first release was 1994, so... ;-) |
| 16:30.03 | Yagami | sav1o: it is ? i recon its only 14 years old |
| 16:30.04 | sav1o | well so what being a user for 15 years means nothing. |
| 16:30.27 | sav1o | Yagami: well not sure with such precision but more than 10 years for sure.. |
| 16:30.44 | Yagami | sav1o: of course , but i am guessing he isnt using even linux for 15 years |
| 16:30.46 | cb400f | at least he still hadn't figured out how free software development works.. seemed he thought kde was developed in-house at suse by 3-4 people ;-) |
| 16:30.50 | Yagami | sav1o: set alone suse |
| 16:30.54 | sav1o | someone that contribs actively for 1 week did more than a passive user for 900 years. |
| 16:31.06 | Yagami | i myself am loving 4.2.67 !! rulez |
| 16:31.41 | Yagami | loving the gui to set up activities to each virtual desktop , worked like a charm |
| 16:32.32 | auxsvr | cb400f: are you talking about opensuse-kde ml? |
| 16:32.45 | cb400f | yup |
| 16:33.14 | cb400f | exagerrating a little bit and being off topic too ;-) |
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| 16:33.30 | auxsvr | cb400f: I've heard the same arguments several times |
| 16:33.45 | auxsvr | cb400f: I don't bother answering any more |
| 16:34.25 | auxsvr | cb400f: however, they are sort of right on one thing: to the end user, KDE4 rewrite makes no sense |
| 16:34.47 | auxsvr | cb400f: they don't understand why it had to happen |
| 16:35.02 | cb400f | not yet at least.. hopefully they'll soon get it, when the benefits become more tangible |
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| 16:36.21 | auxsvr | cb400f: most already do understand why it happened |
| 16:36.43 | auxsvr | cb400f: now |
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| 16:37.49 | cb400f | I have high hopes for the major distros coming with official 4.2 packages soon.. mandriva, kubuntu, fedora |
| 16:37.51 | Yagami | cb400f: if you like that sort of thing , i can give you more 10 or 20 topics on "kde sucks" :) |
| 16:38.35 | cb400f | nah, 14 months of those debates is enough ;-) |
| 16:38.36 | Yagami | cb400f: what i really love is users saying "kde sucks" , and then gnome releases 2.2.26 that is the same sh** with a bugfix or two , and the same users say "great release" |
| 16:38.45 | Yagami | just makes me wanna kill them |
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| 16:39.22 | cb400f | yup, they must be easily excited |
| 16:40.06 | Yagami | its like the linux as stable abi ... some users are simply not to be listened |
| 16:40.24 | Yagami | i always find it amazing , clueless people telling expert people how to do stuff |
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| 16:41.39 | cb400f | humbleness is certainly not the first thing that comes to mind |
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| 16:43.26 | Yagami | cb400f: hehe , i will go read the latest emails ... i actually love spreading hate |
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| 16:43.36 | sav1o | lol |
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| 16:45.20 | Yagami | oh damn , there isnt any new messages there |
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| 16:45.41 | Yagami | well , can always go to osnews.com |
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| 16:46.01 | hazard | Ah, now I remember why I was logged in here earlier. Anyone have any suggestions how to get klipper to play nice with urxvt? |
| 16:46.07 | sav1o | ahimsa, dudes! that's a word for 'non-violence' in classic sanskrit and hindu philosophy. :) buddha says "holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned" |
| 16:46.07 | sav1o | heh |
| 16:46.26 | sav1o | zen quote of the day |
| 16:46.50 | Yagami | sav1o: i didnt knew buddha said that ! |
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| 16:50.35 | hazard | I can copy from urxvt, and I see it on the clipboard in klipper, but can't find a way to paste it back into urxvt. I can paste to Firefox though. |
| 16:51.15 | thiago | MMB |
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| 16:54.16 | opensourcecat | hi all. Can i call in some way the shutdown or the reboot dialog giving n time before executing the shutdown/reboot? Is that achievable with a script using dbus? |
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| 16:54.50 | thiago | I don't think you can set the timeout |
| 16:56.11 | opensourcecat | but how i find wich proces i have to call to show the shutdown dialog? |
| 16:56.13 | ultrav1olet | hazard: middle mouse button pastes the content of the clipboard, simply selecting something is enough to copy it into clipboard |
| 16:56.35 | thiago | opensourcecat: it's ksmserver |
| 16:56.44 | opensourcecat | tnx |
| 16:56.45 | ultrav1olet | in linux there's no need for Ctrl+C/V (Ctrl+Ins/Shift+Ins) |
| 16:57.15 | thiago | I wish the use of SECONDARY had taken off... |
| 16:57.29 | thiago | the buffer where data gets sent when you select with the mouse is called PRIMARY |
| 16:57.30 | Jucato | for more confusion? :) |
| 16:57.48 | ultrav1olet | hazard: however mind that that there are actually two clipboards in linux - one for mouse selections, another one for keyboard selections |
| 16:57.50 | thiago | but try this: select in xterm or konsole, now go to another app and replace some text |
| 16:57.57 | Jucato | thiago: CLIPBOARD is the one for explicity copy right? (Ctrl+C) |
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| 16:58.07 | thiago | you can't do it without the keyboard |
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| 16:58.49 | thiago | I wish you could select another text section (copy PRIMARY to SECONDARY, set PRIMARY), then when you MMB, it realises that it's pasting PRIMARY on top of PRIMARY, so it pastes SECONDARY |
| 16:58.54 | thiago | yes, CLIPBOARD is only for Ctrl+C |
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| 16:59.02 | ultrav1olet | last but not the least is that without running KClipboard the content of clipboard is lost when you exit an application where you've selected something |
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| 17:00.01 | ultrav1olet | God knows why there are two clipboards in Linux anyway ;) |
| 17:00.14 | Jucato | it's not just Linux. it's an X thing |
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| 17:00.16 | Sho_ | ultrav1olet: there are actually three ;) |
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| 17:00.29 | Sho_ | but the toolkits/DEs commonly only use two of them |
| 17:00.51 | ultrav1olet | three? OMG, how can I use the third one? |
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| 17:00.55 | thiago | you can't |
| 17:01.01 | thiago | SECONDARY's use hasn't taken off |
| 17:01.02 | Sho_ | ultrav1olet: you can't, except in insane apps like emacs |
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| 17:01.17 | ultrav1olet | Sho_: do you mean it's application specific? |
| 17:01.23 | thiago | and, of course, Emacs can't access CLIPBOARD |
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| 17:01.53 | ultrav1olet | if yes, then it's not a clipboard per se ;) |
| 17:01.58 | Sho_ | ultrav1olet: Well, X offers PRIMARY, SECONDARY and CLIPBOARD. Apps could use any of those. In practice, most apps use toolkits (i.e. Qt or GTK+), which only use PRIMARY and CLIPBOARD. |
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| 17:02.14 | hazard | ultrav1olet: Sorry, I got pulled away for a moment. You've described the behavior I expected, but my middle button will not paste to urxvt. |
| 17:02.37 | ultrav1olet | Sho_: where can I read about all of that? |
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| 17:02.41 | hazard | hazard: Though, notably, it appears my middle button does not paste anywhere. |
| 17:02.53 | ultrav1olet | hazard: does it work at all? |
| 17:02.53 | auxsvr | hazard: I think you must select the text in klipper first |
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| 17:03.13 | Sho_ | ultrav1olet: http://standards.freedesktop.org/clipboards-spec/clipboards-0.1.txt is a good primer |
| 17:03.14 | hazard | auxsvr: I also tried that. |
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| 17:03.38 | ultrav1olet | there's a special xfree application which shows X events - don't remember its name |
| 17:03.38 | hazard | auxsvr: I can use keyboard shortcuts or context menus to paste in other applications, but no middle button for those, and nothing at all for urxvt. |
| 17:03.42 | Sho_ | ultrav1olet: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/ClipboardsWiki or for a wikified version with comments |
| 17:03.52 | Sho_ | ultrav1olet: xev |
| 17:04.00 | ultrav1olet | hazard: run it and it will show if your middle mouse works or not |
| 17:04.00 | hazard | ultrav1olet: xev? |
| 17:04.17 | hazard | ultrav1olet: Oh, my middle button scrolls, but it doesn't have a "click" |
| 17:04.28 | chuckr | I'm finally getting more familiar with kde, at least, a lot more than yesterday, and I find the new graphics impressive |
| 17:04.35 | ultrav1olet | then you're outta luck :) |
| 17:04.36 | hazard | This is a laptop with a touchpad. The middle button is actually 4 buttons depending which side of it I push. |
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| 17:05.15 | chuckr | Could I ask, I want to make a new widget in my panel for "eclipse", but I'm not sure how to go about this. I have a png graphic file for the icon image. |
| 17:05.32 | ultrav1olet | hazard: you can set up middle mouse emulation - it's pretty easy |
| 17:06.00 | Sho_ | chuckr: Go into panel settings mode, then drag eclipse from your menu to the panel, then right-click the icon, click Properties, click the icon in the properties dialog and pick your png graphic in the icon dialog |
| 17:06.20 | ultrav1olet | however I'm not sure if your touchpad can process clicking more than one "button" simultaneously |
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| 17:06.38 | chuckr | eclipse isn't in any menus I can locate, but the executeable is in /usr/local/bin |
| 17:07.05 | chuckr | I don't know how to make a widget from scratch like this |
| 17:07.21 | hazard | ultrav1olet: It's physically impossible to push two of these at once. |
| 17:08.07 | peace | what annoying problem with konqueror |
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| 17:08.16 | peace | i can't upload xD |
| 17:08.39 | Yagami | well , it also depends if klipper is mixing the mmb and ctrl+c clipboard contents |
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| 17:09.25 | pol | hello all |
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| 17:09.58 | pol | I'm using kde 4.2.1 and when I try to go into Desktop from Control Panel, It freeze... |
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| 17:10.10 | hazard | Yagami: I'm not sure what mmb is, or I could probably tell you the answer. |
| 17:10.26 | Yagami | middle mouse button |
| 17:10.36 | hazard | Ah. I guess I can't tell you that, since I don't have one. |
| 17:10.41 | hallowname | pol: have you tried making a new user, and seeing if the new user has the same problem? |
| 17:10.55 | pol | hallowname: yup it's a brand new user |
| 17:11.11 | ultrav1olet | hazard: you can try this http://ypwong.org/hotkeys/0.5.7.1/ |
| 17:11.12 | Yagami | hazard: no problem , just telling that klipper has an option to ignore or join selection clipboard and ctrl+c clipboard |
| 17:11.15 | hazard | Oh well. I'll work on this later. |
| 17:11.19 | hazard | ultrav1olet: I'll check that, thanks. |
| 17:11.22 | pol | how can I debug such things ? I would like to disable the bouncing notification... it's boring |
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| 17:11.53 | hazard | Ooh. Or not. |
| 17:12.20 | ultrav1olet | Is it possible to open txt files withing konqueror? I hate them being opened by KWrite |
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| 17:12.35 | hazard | I can't bring myself to open a file from some unknown site. |
| 17:12.49 | hallowname | pol: no i mean make a new user now. and try with the new user. as in not the user it currently doesnt work with. |
| 17:12.56 | mini-man | where is the air plasmatheme installed do? |
| 17:12.59 | cb400f | ultrav1olet: in settings -> configure konq -> file associations you can enable embedded viewing |
| 17:13.07 | mini-man | i can't find it in ~/.kde4/share/apps/desktoptheme :\ |
| 17:13.10 | pol | ok hallowname ... I remove the .kde* files |
| 17:13.10 | ultrav1olet | cb400f: I'll try |
| 17:13.14 | hallowname | pol: the bouncing notification is in systemsettings too. under 'launch feedback' |
| 17:13.31 | hallowname | pol: whoa! why do that? test with another user first? |
| 17:13.40 | hallowname | pol: or at least back that folder up |
| 17:13.44 | pol | hallowname: I dont have this section into system settings |
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| 17:14.05 | hallowname | pol: ? you should. mebbe try your distro channel? |
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| 17:14.13 | pol | ok ;-) |
| 17:14.28 | spicausis | using kde trunk, dolphin shows previews of folder contents overlayed atop of the folder icon. any idea, is it (or will it) be possible to turn this off? |
| 17:14.29 | hallowname | pol: im not on kde4 atm so im not much help ;) |
| 17:14.38 | ultrav1olet | cb400f: I only see kwrite in a text/plain association |
| 17:14.40 | pol | it's already veru kind :) |
| 17:14.44 | pol | very* |
| 17:15.04 | ultrav1olet | cb400f: found out what's wrong ;) |
| 17:15.39 | cb400f | good |
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| 17:15.48 | bers | is there any alternative for amarok (for KDE4) ? |
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| 17:16.38 | pol | juk |
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| 17:25.19 | chuckr | Is there some sort of "base" widget that I need to install from, when I'm trying to create my own custom launcher to put in my panel? I want to launch eclipse |
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| 17:26.32 | pol | do a shortcut no? |
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| 17:28.08 | chuckr | I'm stuck. The only choice I see is to install "widgets", not icons, but when I try to give it a eclipse.png file I have, it's apparently got a specific "widget" filetype in mind, and refuses me |
| 17:28.45 | chuckr | and I haven't got any base widget file to modify with a different icon image |
| 17:29.55 | NSaibot | why the heck does dolphin creates a directory with a name "foo/bar" instead of creating a path foo/bar? |
| 17:32.58 | sandsmark | chuckr: drag from the menu ? |
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| 17:40.38 | chuckr | I finally got it. Boy, the kde IDE is a long way from being obvious to me. |
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| 17:45.15 | Shaan7 | I get erro "Unknown CMake command "kde4_add_plugin"" when i try to cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$KDEDIRS the tutorial apps at techbase. Whats wrong? |
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| 17:47.56 | PuffTheMagic | how do i save from kde session from cli |
| 17:47.57 | PuffTheMagic | ? |
| 17:48.25 | Jucato | KDE4? |
| 17:48.28 | Half-Left | Shaan7: What are you building? |
| 17:48.55 | Shaan7 | Half-Left: example at http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/UsingExtenders |
| 17:48.57 | Jucato | PuffTheMagic: qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer saveCurrentSession |
| 17:49.03 | PuffTheMagic | thanks |
| 17:49.55 | Half-Left | Shaan7: Mostly lightly because your in the wrong directory |
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| 17:53.11 | Shaan7 | Half-Left: hey its done ! The CMakeLists.txt in the example is lacking the include directives. Thanks for your help. |
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| 17:55.24 | auxsvr | NSaibot: this looks like a bug to me |
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| 17:55.45 | auxsvr | NSaibot: some programs cannot access files with / in the filename |
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| 17:56.29 | NSaibot | auxsvr: are you going to file a bug? |
| 17:56.34 | auxsvr | NSaibot: some filesystems also prohibit using / in filenames |
| 17:56.48 | sandsmark | which ? |
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| 17:56.59 | sandsmark | sounds like a bug in those filesystems |
| 17:57.00 | Jonny88 | Hi, does anybody know if there is a konqueror shortcut for "open in new tab" middle click opens in new window, but I cant find it in the "cofig shortcuts" menu |
| 17:57.11 | auxsvr | sandsmark: IIRC reiser4 |
| 17:57.18 | sandsmark | if I ask dolphin to create a folder named "electronica/funk", and it creates two folders, I would be pissed |
| 17:57.28 | sandsmark | auxsvr: are you sure ? |
| 17:57.44 | NSaibot | sandsmark: well, i'd expect to have a path |
| 17:57.48 | sandsmark | :< |
| 17:58.06 | sandsmark | I guess that's a bug in NSaibot :D |
| 17:58.18 | sandsmark | NSaibot: when you press alt+f2, and get an inline editing of the name of the folder, do you expect it to create subfolders ? |
| 17:58.32 | Half-Left | Jonny88: I have 4.2 on archlinxu and it opens new links in tabs with middle mouse |
| 17:58.51 | NSaibot | sandsmark: rename and create are different things imho |
| 17:59.00 | sandsmark | well, both want a name |
| 17:59.02 | sandsmark | imho |
| 17:59.07 | NSaibot | however, i'm used to that behaviour |
| 17:59.13 | sandsmark | I'm not |
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| 17:59.27 | NSaibot | should be an opt in at least |
| 17:59.29 | Jonny88 | Sorry, I'm using KDE3 still (last stable release) |
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| 17:59.43 | sandsmark | NSaibot: what should be ? |
| 17:59.59 | NSaibot | to create a path |
| 18:00.30 | Half-Left | Jonny88: It's in the Konqueror settings>General>Open links in new tab instead of in new window |
| 18:00.55 | Half-Left | Ugh |
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| 18:02.30 | Jonny88 | Half-Left: Ta, it was under "web behaviour" which is why I couldn't find it (using konq for files fox for the net) |
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| 18:02.58 | ubunster | is it a bad idea to still use 3.5.10? |
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| 18:03.51 | cb400f | not particularly.. it has no future of course, but if your distro supports it then... |
| 18:04.19 | cb400f | and if you're not yet ready for kde 4.x, there's no rush |
| 18:04.20 | ubunster | what should be stable |
| 18:04.24 | ubunster | is 4 stable? |
| 18:04.27 | Jonny88 | yes |
| 18:04.39 | cb400f | kde 3.5.10 is prolly a bit more stable than 4.2.x |
| 18:04.49 | NSaibot | yea |
| 18:04.53 | cb400f | .. and not many distros have 4.2.x packages yet officially |
| 18:05.03 | ubunster | i wonder why |
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| 18:05.14 | Jonny88 | because its so new |
| 18:05.21 | cb400f | cuz they're all going to release in April and May ;-) |
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| 18:05.42 | Half-Left | And they havn't got through their release cycle yet |
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| 18:06.36 | I-Shot-Kennedy | How do I make windows transparent, or the main taskbar? I even upgraded from 4.1 to 4.2 but the only thing that shows any sort of transparency is the Lancelot menu. |
| 18:06.43 | Jonny88 | Suse isnt releasing until november, and afaik they have 4.2 already |
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| 18:07.19 | Half-Left | Fedora 10 have 4.2 now |
| 18:07.52 | NSaibot | I-Shot-Kennedy: turn on the effects |
| 18:08.33 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I have enabled the desktop effects. Nothing got "transparent", in 4.1 or 4.2 |
| 18:08.48 | ultrav1olet | Can KMail 4.2 show attached images inline? |
| 18:09.06 | ultrav1olet | I don't wanna open them in external viewer |
| 18:09.08 | Half-Left | I-Shot-Kennedy: depending on your plasma theme, the panel needs compositing to be transparent |
| 18:09.35 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I am running the Ogyxen theme. Did I miss some setting or something? |
| 18:09.48 | NSaibot | would he be able to turn the effects on without compositing? |
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| 18:09.53 | Half-Left | ok so what colour is your panel? |
| 18:10.17 | I-Shot-Kennedy | The main taskbar? Right now it is greyish, silverish. |
| 18:10.48 | Half-Left | Sometimes when you enable desktop effects the panel doesn't use the composited version, so you have to restart plasma |
| 18:10.50 | kdepepo | I-Shot-Kennedy, this is probably Aya, not Oxygen :) |
| 18:11.06 | ultrav1olet | anyone? |
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| 18:11.29 | Half-Left | Yer, Aya doesn't have transparency on the panel |
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| 18:13.55 | I-Shot-Kennedy | No, it is oxygen. I just double checked. I have enabled desktop effects and most of the eye candy (ultimate profile). Maybe it's some sort of a plugin I missed? |
| 18:14.21 | auxsvr | sandsmark: actually no filesystem allows / in filename |
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| 18:14.37 | kdepepo | I-Shot-Kennedy, where did you enable Oxygen? In systemsettings? |
| 18:15.00 | szal | auxsvr: well, I know one that does ;) |
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| 18:15.43 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Apparance -> System Settings -> Style |
| 18:15.47 | I-Shot-Kennedy | That's where I went |
| 18:15.53 | Half-Left | hehe |
| 18:15.54 | NSaibot | auxsvr: it's even more productive to have a path instead of creating one directory after another ... again ... imho |
| 18:16.28 | auxsvr | szal: I mean ascii /, not the unicode trick |
| 18:16.33 | kdepepo | I-Shot-Kennedy, this is wrong. Plasma theme isn't selected in systemsettings. |
| 18:16.48 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Um, I have a little new problem. |
| 18:16.50 | szal | auxsvr: indeed |
| 18:16.54 | Half-Left | I-Shot-Kennedy: Thats not the plasma theme, you need to right click desktop and Apperance Settings>Desktop Theme |
| 18:16.59 | blast3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.06 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I just enabled ClearLooks theme and then I went back to Oxygen (to sort of reset everything) |
| 18:17.07 | I-Shot-Kennedy | But... |
| 18:17.09 | blast3r | how install amarok, the xine engine not works |
| 18:17.15 | blast3r | :S |
| 18:17.30 | blast3r | in JuK works.. |
| 18:17.31 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Now, everything got messy. Wallpaper went black and I am missing the taskbar (the tray, panels, everything) |
| 18:17.35 | szal | auxsvr: the old RiscOS filesystem used on Acorn computers in the 80s/early 90s used the . as hierarchy separator, so the / was free to use in the name ;) |
| 18:17.39 | ultrav1olet | Can KMail 4.2 show attached images inline? |
| 18:18.15 | auxsvr | szal: I don't think it's POSIX compatible |
| 18:18.20 | I-Shot-Kennedy | What happened, do I need to reboot? |
| 18:18.33 | kdepepo | I-Shot-Kennedy, just log out, and upgrade to KDE 4.2 |
| 18:18.36 | Half-Left | I-Shot-Kennedy: Alt, F2 and type plasma |
| 18:18.36 | NSaibot | I-Shot-Kennedy: you don't need to reboot, just log out |
| 18:18.43 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I upgraded to 4.2 already |
| 18:18.53 | kdepepo | I-Shot-Kennedy, then file a bug report :) |
| 18:19.14 | Half-Left | No need to logout either |
| 18:19.14 | kdepepo | KDE developers never change the style, and don't know this bug. |
| 18:19.31 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Half-Left, Alt-F2 dosen't bring that little prompt. |
| 18:19.32 | kdepepo | plasma is quite crashy when doing things... |
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| 18:20.04 | Half-Left | You have a borken KDE4 then |
| 18:20.18 | Half-Left | broken* |
| 18:20.21 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Quick question. (I am new to linux). How do I log out now when I don't have the menus anymore. (The panel is gone. I don't have any buttons) |
| 18:20.24 | Half-Left | That really shouldn't happen |
| 18:20.27 | szal | auxsvr: I don't think RiscOS back then was aiming towards POSIX compliance ;) |
| 18:20.42 | auxsvr | szal: OK |
| 18:20.45 | NSaibot | I-Shot-Kennedy: Alt+F2 -> logout |
| 18:20.57 | kdepepo | His Plasma crashed, so no Alt F2 |
| 18:21.00 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Alt-F2 does not bring the promt anymore. |
| 18:21.02 | NSaibot | ahh |
| 18:21.05 | Half-Left | I-Shot-Kennedy: Ctrl, Alt, Delete |
| 18:21.10 | Half-Left | errm |
| 18:21.11 | kdepepo | no! |
| 18:21.13 | Half-Left | Backspace |
| 18:21.14 | I-Shot-Kennedy | that is not working either |
| 18:21.20 | I-Shot-Kennedy | or escape one |
| 18:21.25 | kdepepo | ctrl-alt-backspace two times |
| 18:21.37 | I-Shot-Kennedy | twice, ok let me try |
| 18:21.41 | NSaibot | hehe |
| 18:21.45 | Half-Left | :p |
| 18:21.47 | NSaibot | seems to work |
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| 18:22.12 | Half-Left | Broken distros, wonder if it's Kubuntu :p |
| 18:22.22 | kdepepo | plasma stability isn't a good advertisement for new linux users... |
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| 18:22.52 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Well, that one worked pretty quickly. The ctrl-alt-escape x2 |
| 18:22.59 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Gotta remember that one. |
| 18:23.04 | Skrot- | Running OpenSuSE? |
| 18:23.08 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Yes. |
| 18:23.15 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Whew. |
| 18:23.31 | Skrot- | yeah, other distros usually only require you to press it once :p |
| 18:23.34 | Half-Left | Well remember that your upgrade is not official |
| 18:23.44 | auxsvr | sandsmark: ascii / is forbidden, the / in dolphin is a unicode trick |
| 18:23.54 | Half-Left | Mostly lightly some dev repo |
| 18:23.57 | auxsvr | sandsmark: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kfm-devel&m=120067470101987&w=2 |
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| 18:24.28 | auxsvr | kdepepo: come on now, I last saw it crash some months ago |
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| 18:24.43 | I-Shot-Kennedy | How do I enable this special Oxygen/Plasma theme and get transparency on Windows/Panels/Taskbar? (I only have transparency on the Lancelot menus) |
| 18:25.02 | Half-Left | I-Shot-Kennedy: Have a word in #opensuse about it, your using dev packages, not stable ones I think |
| 18:25.16 | NSaibot | I-Shot-Kennedy: could you take a snapshot? |
| 18:25.24 | I-Shot-Kennedy | snapshot, like screencap? |
| 18:25.24 | NSaibot | screenshot |
| 18:25.25 | Half-Left | I've said this already |
| 18:25.36 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Oh sure, let me get one and upload it. |
| 18:25.39 | NSaibot | then what Half-Left said ;) |
| 18:26.05 | Half-Left | "You need to right click desktop and Apperance Settings>Desktop Theme" |
| 18:26.17 | NSaibot | uhmm, yea, this one too |
| 18:26.34 | Half-Left | Opensuse use Aya, obviously |
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| 18:27.22 | Half-Left | Which I find, Ironic :p |
| 18:27.33 | NSaibot | why |
| 18:27.42 | I-Shot-Kennedy | ok back |
| 18:27.47 | I-Shot-Kennedy | here is the screenshot |
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| 18:27.49 | I-Shot-Kennedy | http://iiwluw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pdhZuKl7QulT1_TGB-8F6Jg2RUJRY6kt4Fs0bUGAw_qKLsPuS3GNH012wnMaH0NeQgGHSc1zM9Hd5AMZP1cCQGQ/grab1.jpeg |
| 18:27.53 | Half-Left | Because alot of KDE dev use it :) |
| 18:27.56 | NSaibot | I-Shot-Kennedy: see what Half-Left said |
| 18:28.57 | sefirotsama | Hi people |
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| 18:29.17 | I-Shot-Kennedy | oh, the suse channel? There is some guy over there spamming every newcomer with bot messages. |
| 18:29.31 | I-Shot-Kennedy | NSaibot and Half-Left, does my screengrab look okay? |
| 18:29.46 | NSaibot | I-Shot-Kennedy: "You need to right click desktop and Apperance Settings>Desktop Theme" |
| 18:30.17 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Hey, that one worked! |
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| 18:30.43 | NSaibot | almighty Half-Left |
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| 18:30.45 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Why is there a different style panel in the other menus? |
| 18:30.51 | kdepepo | these aren't bot messages, these are links to pages with help. |
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| 18:30.59 | Half-Left | Yer, I usually get things right :p |
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| 18:31.10 | kdepepo | I-Shot-Kennedy, because Plasma is a new different concept. |
| 18:31.29 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Oh, Plasma = Aero(WinOS?)? |
| 18:31.38 | Half-Left | Well, thats a rather long story :) |
| 18:32.21 | NSaibot | Aero is a subset of plasma |
| 18:32.22 | kdepepo | I-Shot-Kennedy, Plasma doesn't follow the system style, because developers tried new concepts, such as scalable (and even rotatable) widgets |
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| 18:33.16 | Half-Left | Plasma themes are totally different to Aero, they just look similar in the sense they are glassy like |
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| 18:33.37 | NSaibot | all they have in common is the transparency, that's all |
| 18:33.44 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I see kdepepo. I should stick to right-click+appearance settings+Desktop theme when changing the style from now on. |
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| 18:33.48 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I appreciate the help. Thanks a lot. |
| 18:34.01 | NSaibot | depending on your background you might have the same colors of the panels |
| 18:34.22 | Shaan7 | Half-Left: but now it says "extendertutorial.cpp:95: error: invalid static_cast from type ?QGraphicsItem*? to type ?QObject*?" when i try make on same example at http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/UsingExtenders |
| 18:34.47 | Half-Left | Alot of plasma elements don't need compositing for them to be transparent |
| 18:35.03 | NSaibot | translucent then |
| 18:35.22 | Half-Left | Whatever saying you like |
| 18:35.25 | I-Shot-Kennedy | The color scheme subset of theme has no effect or anything else other than just colors right? (I'm just trying to figure out if I should leave color schemes alone if they are going to brake things now that everything is fine) |
| 18:35.52 | kdepepo | I-Shot-Kennedy, if all you want theming, better use gnome :) |
| 18:35.52 | Skrot- | Shaan7: Which version of Qt are you using? |
| 18:36.10 | Half-Left | I-Shot-Kennedy: Only Aya can use the KDE colour scheme, alot of others don't |
| 18:36.39 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Oh, I see. It looks like lot of this stuff is not connected to each other that well. |
| 18:36.42 | Half-Left | Shaan7: No idea |
| 18:36.53 | Shaan7 | Skrot-: qt-copy ( i think 4.5 RC) from latest svn build |
| 18:36.59 | Shaan7 | Half-Left: k thanks anyway :) |
| 18:37.09 | Half-Left | Well plasma themers just didn't want to do them that way, thats all |
| 18:37.19 | Skrot- | doesn't seem like it inherits from QObject, maybe the tutorial is old |
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| 18:37.51 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Wow, this looks much nicer than the taskbar under Vista. |
| 18:37.56 | kdepepo | I-Shot-Kennedy, plasma is a very young project, just a year old. |
| 18:38.21 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Oh, I never heard about it. |
| 18:38.22 | Half-Left | You can mix and match widget themes as well in 4.2 |
| 18:38.25 | kdepepo | I-Shot-Kennedy, if you want something mature, use the environments that are out 10 years :) |
| 18:38.28 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I heard about compiz though. |
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| 18:38.56 | kdepepo | I-Shot-Kennedy, compiz is gnome centric though |
| 18:39.12 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I wont have problem running both? |
| 18:39.31 | Half-Left | You can't run both |
| 18:40.04 | Half-Left | One at a time, Kwin is much better anyway as a window manager in KDE |
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| 18:40.14 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Oh? I have both installed I think. Is compiz responsible for the neat effects when I switch desktops or minimize windows? |
| 18:40.31 | Half-Left | No, kwin is |
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| 18:41.07 | Half-Left | You don't need compiz since kwin desktop effects do most of what compiz does |
| 18:41.10 | I-Shot-Kennedy | kwin? I installed compiz because I thought it was repsonsible for the neat effects. (i think I saw it in a youtube tutorial) |
| 18:41.26 | Shaan7 | Skrot-: ok |
| 18:41.48 | Half-Left | kwin is KDE's Window manager |
| 18:41.58 | Skrot- | I-Shot-Kennedy: kwin does the same but it's better (as a window manager) and native to KDE :> |
| 18:42.29 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Oh. I see. I am new to all this. So I apologize If I'm asking too many spazzy questions. |
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| 18:43.06 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I can remove compiz then without breaking anything? |
| 18:43.12 | Half-Left | yes |
| 18:43.18 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Oh ok. Will do. |
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| 18:43.32 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Is it possible to make the titlebars transparent as well? (sort of like aero) |
| 18:44.47 | Half-Left | Yes |
| 18:45.16 | Half-Left | In desktop effects, Transparency and tweak the Decorations option |
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| 18:45.38 | Half-Left | Translucentcy |
| 18:46.16 | Half-Left | Translucency is what they call it in there :p |
| 18:46.42 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I found one under plugins tab "Translucency - Make windows translucent under different condition". That one? (it's already enbaled though) |
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| 18:47.15 | Half-Left | The decorations slider |
| 18:48.45 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Technically transparency is 100% translucency |
| 18:49.02 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Sorry can't find the decorations slider. (Also I noticed when search for "effects" via Lancelot, it gives me two different "Desktop Effects" modules) |
| 18:49.45 | Half-Left | Sho_: I thought there was some technical reason for it, or referred to |
| 18:50.04 | Sho_ | Half-Left: well technically as in "in the English language" |
| 18:50.27 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Although colloquially people also use transparency to refer to levels of translucency |
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| 18:50.39 | Half-Left | yer, I always say transparency :) |
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| 18:51.21 | Sho_ | Half-Left: and technically, you are always wrong :) |
| 18:51.28 | Half-Left | Don't you just like the English language :) |
| 18:51.35 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Transparent materials are clear; translucent materials are diffuse |
| 18:51.48 | Kovert | as of the last few days my screen saver can not be kontrolled by the "system setting" it forces me to use a password. any fix? |
| 18:51.55 | Half-Left | Yer, but that don't stop me using it, I will try :p |
| 18:52.00 | Sho_ | Half-Left: :) |
| 18:52.03 | Chrysalis | if you see it its not transparent anymore so anything less then 100% is translucent |
| 18:52.11 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Half-Left, any idea how to get to the slider? |
| 18:52.20 | Sho_ | Half-Left: I am not a native speaker so I am not really in a legitimate position to bitch about it anyway |
| 18:53.25 | Half-Left | Sho_: Yes, I just referrer to it as transparency, when it's technically translucency :) |
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| 18:53.37 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Wow, I just discovered the "Plasma Workspace Add-On Installer" while looking for the slider. |
| 18:53.45 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Lot of nice themes out there. |
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| 18:55.57 | lokpest | suddenly kmplayer doesnt show the video in its own window, but opens mplayer and plays it in... |
| 18:56.03 | lokpest | any sugerstions? |
| 18:56.18 | Sho_ | lokpest: it's an option iirc |
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| 18:59.20 | duckinator | hi |
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| 19:01.11 | Half-Left | Sho_: They are both Synonyms of each other, they depending on the degree they shift :p |
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| 19:03.00 | Sho_ | Half-Left: in optics the distinction is very clear :) |
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| 19:03.44 | Half-Left | For sure :) |
| 19:04.49 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Wow, Ctrl+F8 is awsome with the grid plugin! |
| 19:04.52 | Half-Left | But you can make Windows transparent through the translucency settings, muuuhahaha |
| 19:05.16 | Sho_ | Half-Left: that much is true :) |
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| 19:09.50 | Half-Left | Sho_: Even us native English speaking people don't realize some time how complex our language is |
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| 19:11.06 | hallowname | Half-Left: english == c++ without classes :) |
| 19:11.52 | Half-Left | I've had the last eight weeks of improving it :) |
| 19:13.11 | Sho_ | Half-Left: Actually non-native speakers tend to pick up on things like more easily sometimes, since they basically have the textbook knowledge of the language as opposed to having learned it naturally |
| 19:13.23 | I-Shot-Kennedy | All right, thanks everyone. I just downloaded pretty much every Plasma theme and color scheme I could find. Lot of stuff to tinker with. |
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| 19:14.01 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Before I go. Does anyone know a tool that can minize windows or applications to panel-icons, sort of like Alltray app does with windows/apps and system tray? |
| 19:15.07 | Half-Left | Sho_: Yep, I was very good at German, so yes your right |
| 19:16.18 | Half-Left | I-Shot-Kennedy: kde-look.org has something called STasks |
| 19:17.05 | Half-Left | Third party of course |
| 19:17.31 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Found it, nice stuff |
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| 19:21.03 | hoek | So what does everyone use for CD burning on KDE4? |
| 19:21.29 | Half-Left | Anything that works |
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| 19:22.40 | Kovert | k3b |
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| 19:23.54 | hoek | yeah, i meant, without installing kde3libs and/or tons of gnome deps |
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| 19:32.26 | NSaibot | digikam 0.10.0 refuses to start saying that there was a problem with creating the database/tables |
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| 19:33.41 | NSaibot | on kde 4.2.1 that is |
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| 19:46.08 | Nodenberg | hi is any dolphion developer present? |
| 19:46.13 | Nodenberg | dolphin |
| 19:46.43 | Sho_ | Nodenberg: No. What's your question, though? |
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| 19:47.53 | Nodenberg | I had just a general question |
| 19:48.19 | Sho_ | Nodenberg: Then it might not need a Dolphin-specific developer ;) |
| 19:48.28 | Nodenberg | well its easy |
| 19:49.30 | Sho_ | Nodenberg: THen shoot |
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| 19:50.04 | Nodenberg | over in the KDE Brainstorming-forums are more that 30 feature requests for partly must-have-featurs and big usability-steps. But on techbase only 3-4 features for 4.3 are listed, two of them concerning nepomuk |
| 19:50.39 | Nodenberg | the question is: why not implement some of the features over in brainstorm |
| 19:50.57 | Sho_ | Nodenberg: Well the feature plans require developers to maintain them, which they often don't |
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| 19:51.00 | SSJ_GZ | Nodenberg: Manpower. |
| 19:51.13 | Sho_ | Nodenberg: IOW the plans are not necessarily very good indications of what features are being worked on |
| 19:51.38 | Nodenberg | so much for feature plan |
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| 19:52.14 | Sho_ | Nodenberg: well would you rather have them write code or feature plans, right :) |
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| 19:52.44 | Nodenberg | so there is no way of easily get in touch with planned features of the next release apart from mailinglists |
| 19:52.55 | Nodenberg | well in that case close the feeature plan |
| 19:53.15 | Nodenberg | it annoys some users and may lead to disorientation |
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| 19:53.21 | Sho_ | Nodenberg: Mailing lists, blogs, IRC channels, commit digests, .. |
| 19:54.26 | Nodenberg | I haven't seen a dolphin-related post in planetkde for weeks, and few stuff in the commit-digest(which is also released inregular ) |
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| 19:55.05 | Nodenberg | how many people develope dolphin and related? |
| 19:55.32 | SSJ_GZ | Nodenberg: Basically, Peter Penz, and he has limited time. |
| 19:55.52 | SSJ_GZ | Nodenberg: I've done some, but I currently have pretty much 0 time to work on KDE. |
| 19:56.01 | Nodenberg | WTF one person? youre kidding |
| 19:56.12 | Sho_ | (Though of course work in Nepomuk, Places, etc. also affects Dolphin) |
| 19:56.23 | Sho_ | (But yes, the app itself is largely a one-man job) |
| 19:56.43 | SSJ_GZ | There's been a couple of people contributing recently but yes, it's basically a one-man job. |
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| 19:57.19 | Nodenberg | one the one hand he deserves kudos for that. but on the other that is realy sad and makes me afraid |
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| 19:57.23 | Sho_ | And a good job at that :) |
| 19:57.35 | Sho_ | Nodenberg: Why does it make you afraid? |
| 19:57.36 | Nodenberg | It can take decades until some features are implemented |
| 19:57.42 | SSJ_GZ | +1 : Peter rules :) |
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| 19:58.12 | Sho_ | Nodenberg: KDE is not much older than one decade, and has gone through three file managers ;) |
| 19:58.30 | Nodenberg | konqui has some more dev's I guess |
| 19:58.50 | Sho_ | Nodenberg: Rather than make you afraid, it should make you realize what one man can accomplish thanks to the power of the KDE frameworks - and how easily, consequently, new features are implemented ;) |
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| 19:59.07 | Sho_ | Nodenberg: Konqui basically has one main dev, too (David Faure) |
| 19:59.37 | Nodenberg | youre right, it is awesome, that one person can implement so many features alone in his spare time |
| 19:59.44 | SSJ_GZ | And David is really a kdelibs guy, nowadays. |
| 19:59.50 | SSJ_GZ | (Which is fine by me :)) |
| 20:00.05 | Nodenberg | I see |
| 20:00.21 | Nodenberg | But imagine what ten devs could reach in the same time |
| 20:00.33 | Sho_ | Nodenberg: It's also important to realize that you're dealing with a lot of inter-connected frameworks and components here, and that many of the features you desire would probably not technically be implemented in the Dolphin codebase. The combined number of developers working on the frameworks that power Dolphin is much larger than one, of course. |
| 20:00.34 | Nodenberg | KDE is in need for massive manpower improvements |
| 20:00.45 | SSJ_GZ | Nodenberg: Indeed. But there's volunteer-driven development, for you :/ |
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| 20:01.03 | Sho_ | Nodenberg: Software development doesn't scale linearly with manpower :) |
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| 20:02.03 | Nodenberg | but manpower cannot be underestimated, at least as long as the dev are good in their jobs |
| 20:02.17 | Nodenberg | so KDE has to find da way to attract more devs to volunteer |
| 20:03.02 | jiiho | free shrooms |
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| 20:03.15 | datag | i can i change the behaviour of kate (4.2) tree-view, that only a single click is needed to open files. somehow this suddenly changed and i don't know why. the system-global is set to single-click |
| 20:03.16 | Sho_ | Nodenberg: Well, in terms of quantity KDE development has basically never been more productive than today |
| 20:03.23 | Nodenberg | I thought about money and fame^^ |
| 20:03.28 | Sho_ | Nodenberg: So it's not like it's not growing :) |
| 20:03.34 | datag | *how |
| 20:03.46 | Nodenberg | I've heard that |
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| 20:03.52 | Nodenberg | progress at least |
| 20:04.37 | datag | is there a special config for the kate-part? i haven't found any config-option. it's annoying to always double-click on the file to open it |
| 20:05.27 | Sho_ | datag: Hm, can't reproduce that in KDE 4.2.1 here |
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| 20:05.46 | Nodenberg | datag I do not need double click either |
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| 20:06.12 | datag | that's really strange. in dolphin it works ofc |
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| 20:07.01 | datag | Sho_: Nodenberg: do you know if this behaviour is configurable for kate? i guess it just use the system-default |
| 20:07.16 | Sho_ | datag: No, I'm not aware of a config option at least |
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| 20:07.28 | Nodenberg | The strengh of proprietary software development is maybe that it can easyly attract contributores and force them to develop a certain feature. If they develop aganinst the market they become irrelevant and lose their job^^ |
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| 20:07.44 | Nodenberg | datag I guess its system default |
| 20:07.55 | Nodenberg | kate should behave like any other app in KDE |
| 20:08.09 | datag | yes, it "should" :) |
| 20:08.12 | Sho_ | Nodenberg: Frankly looking at the forum you mentioned a lot of those feature requests are also pretty far out there |
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| 20:08.27 | datag | i've got a gentoo-system. maybe i should try to rebuild it |
| 20:08.43 | Sho_ | datag: In any case, I've double-click as a sys default and Kate's file browser follows it here (4.2.1) |
| 20:08.49 | Sho_ | datag: I use Gentoo as well |
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| 20:09.14 | datag | Sho_: that's what i would expect |
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| 20:09.58 | Sho_ | datag: ditto - single-click weirdos! ;-) |
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| 20:14.01 | Nodenberg | I wish everyone a nice say;) |
| 20:14.02 | Nodenberg | bye |
| 20:14.05 | Nodenberg | :) |
| 20:14.08 | Nodenberg | and thx:) |
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| 21:29.08 | shze | I'm not moving or copying any files, but I have 15 kio_http processes, and two of them use 10% cpu each. why? how can I find out what they are doing? |
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| 21:46.10 | sgh | hi! |
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| 21:47.13 | sgh | How does kwin determine what to highlight what is being redrawn. Is it QT that holds the logik, or the graphics hardware ? |
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| 21:47.46 | daskreech | maybe it's kwin? |
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| 21:49.43 | xombie | HELP! when i log into kde 4.2, my old windows open, but everything else is BLACK. how can I fix this? |
| 21:50.05 | sgh | daskreech: well - the reason for asking is tha kwrite, kdevelop, kile, digikam and other refreshed way too much of the gui and it hurts performance I think. I am using nVidias driver. |
| 21:50.23 | sgh | xombie: does ALT-F2 work ? |
| 21:50.37 | xombie | sgh, yes |
| 21:51.25 | sgh | xombie: try running plasma |
| 21:52.41 | xombie | sgh: it says plasma is running, i tried killing it |
| 21:52.50 | ukl | Hmmm - this might not be a too uncommon problem: Some python plasmoid works when started with "plasmoidviewer widgetname" but not when using the "add widget..." context menu thing. - any ideas? |
| 21:53.59 | Ace2017_- | Hi all |
| 21:54.13 | Ace2017_- | can kde4 window decorations have shadows without desktop effects? |
| 21:54.25 | sgh | xombie: if starting it does not help try deleting .kde/share/config/plasma |
| 21:54.29 | Ace2017_- | kde4's desktop effects really impact performance when going into and outof fullscreen |
| 21:54.30 | sgh | xombie: if starting it does not help try deleting .kde/share/config/plasma* |
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| 21:54.52 | xombie | sgh: i turned a lot of thing in composting on, that might be it |
| 21:55.28 | xombie | sgh: will try |
| 21:55.43 | sgh | xombie: BUT |
| 21:56.09 | sgh | xombie: you will loose your plasma config. The desktop+panels will be reset to default |
| 21:56.45 | xombie | yes, it took some time to get it perfect, now imna have to start from the beginning hope this works |
| 21:57.05 | xombie | brb |
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| 21:59.32 | xombie | nope still logging into a blackhole |
| 22:00.02 | xombie | thinking about deleting the whole .kde4 directory :/ |
| 22:00.47 | xombie | how can i get to kde4's control panel |
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| 22:01.51 | Ace2017_- | MOVE IT! |
| 22:01.59 | Ace2017_- | move .kde4 to .kde4_20090320 |
| 22:02.33 | xombie | good idea, but whats the command to start kde4's controll panel? |
| 22:03.24 | ayon | systemsettings |
| 22:03.32 | xombie | thanks! |
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| 22:04.29 | romullo | is away: testing away message :) |
| 22:04.40 | Ace2017_- | romullo: turn it off!!! |
| 22:04.53 | romullo | is away: testing away message :) |
| 22:05.07 | romullo | sorry, my bad =/ |
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| 22:08.33 | JuJuBee | Im using kde4.2 kubuntu 8.10 64 bit. I have a nice dual head setup working using xinerama. If I am not connected to a second head, I cannot start into kde, only gnome. Plasma causes a sig11 error (I think that is what it was). |
| 22:08.58 | xombie | wow, i moved .kde4 to .kde4_asdf and KDE still is invisible, my KDE4 is broken :( |
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| 22:10.25 | cb400f | how can "kde" be invisible? .. and was kde running while you moved the folder? |
| 22:10.25 | BurkeOne | hi |
| 22:10.28 | BurkeOne | ive a problerm |
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| 22:11.21 | BurkeOne | i am using a folderviel as desktop in 4.2.1. But my folderviel sometimes forgets icon positions (i.e. after a reboot) i have to put everything in its plas anew |
| 22:11.22 | xombie | I telinit'd to 3, then moved the files then went baack to 5. I can still run programs but there is nothing besides the application window, no kde |
| 22:11.36 | BurkeOne | how can i prevent that? is that a bug? |
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| 22:13.35 | xombie | i didn't know KDE was so easy to break, enable some compositing features, and kapluy! its dead. |
| 22:14.12 | daskreech | xombie: dead? |
| 22:14.16 | Ace2017_- | xombie: bad xorg.conf? |
| 22:14.17 | cb400f | "kde" != plasma |
| 22:14.44 | cb400f | xombie: alt +f2 -> konsole.. try running 'plasma &' in konsole |
| 22:14.51 | xombie | ok |
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| 22:15.19 | KTL | what does it mean when kmail tells me i have 0 + 3 messages? |
| 22:15.36 | messerting | KTL, different folders? |
| 22:15.52 | KTL | aaaaaa the ones i gave a filter to make them labeled read |
| 22:15.58 | KTL | thanks :) |
| 22:15.59 | messerting | imap and local? not sure actually |
| 22:15.59 | xombie | where can i paste the 4 line error with plasma? i dont wanna spam this channel |
| 22:16.09 | cb400f | pastebin.com |
| 22:16.11 | messerting | fpaste.org |
| 22:16.34 | daskreech | pastebin.ca |
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| 22:16.50 | daskreech | BurkeOne: Sounds like one |
| 22:17.36 | xombie | great, the third button paste isnt working |
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| 22:18.48 | cb400f | use ctrl+v? |
| 22:18.55 | xombie | http://pastebin.com/ddeab6c5 |
| 22:20.05 | daskreech | xombie: kquitapp plasma && rm ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* && plasma& |
| 22:20.23 | p-f | how does one go about disabling panel tooltips in kde 4.2.1? It used to be in the panel options themselves the last time I used kde, but it seems to have changed. |
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| 22:21.13 | cb400f | p-f: you can only disable it for the task bar I think.. not for other widgets (kickoff, device notifier etc.) |
| 22:21.23 | cb400f | right click in task bar -> task bar settings |
| 22:22.01 | xombie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:22.26 | BurkeOne | p-f I guess you can deactivate it globally in systemsettings |
| 22:22.28 | p-f | cb400f: what if I have application entries filling the whole taskbar? Rightclicking only brings up the panel menu in this case |
| 22:22.52 | BurkeOne | the first icon in the upper left |
| 22:22.56 | cb400f | p-f: then you must either clear some space.. or manage to right click very precisely between tasks |
| 22:23.00 | BurkeOne | where you config the effects |
| 22:24.11 | xombie | RIP KDE4, I only used you one day, and your already gone! :( |
| 22:24.14 | p-f | BurkeOne: if you meant the "Enable tooltips" in the Style section of the system settings, then it's already off |
| 22:24.33 | daskreech | p-f: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/todays-tip-getting-to-widget-menus-in.html |
| 22:24.33 | BurkeOne | oh, k |
| 22:24.33 | BurkeOne | hm |
| 22:24.46 | xombie | im gonna try a couple diff things brb |
| 22:24.48 | daskreech | cb400f: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/todays-tip-getting-to-widget-menus-in.html aswell |
| 22:24.53 | p-f | cb400f: they're expanding to fill the remaining space, funnily enough |
| 22:25.14 | cb400f | not if you have 2 tasks or less ;-) |
| 22:25.28 | cb400f | but clicking between them is not too hard |
| 22:26.24 | daskreech | It's a one pixel space |
| 22:26.36 | cb400f | p-f: did you read the link? |
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| 22:26.52 | p-f | aha, finally got it |
| 22:26.57 | cb400f | unlock widgets -> click on gnome logo to the right of panel -> then right click on taskbar |
| 22:27.06 | cb400f | .. anywhere.. even if it's full |
| 22:27.14 | p-f | cb400f: I managed to click that 1 pixel column |
| 22:27.21 | p-f | thanks everyone :) |
| 22:27.37 | p-f | no more tooltips that cover 10% of the screen, hurray |
| 22:27.40 | cb400f | np.. ;-) |
| 22:28.54 | draugdel | is there a way to increase the priority of the kwallet-password-window, so it shows up on top? |
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| 22:31.25 | parapente | is there a guide for porting kde3 apps to kde4? |
| 22:31.58 | parapente | some classes doens't exist in the new kdelibs version |
| 22:33.41 | thiago_home | there's a KDE4PORTING.html file in kdelibs |
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| 22:33.53 | thiago_home | there are also scripts that do some bulk search-and-replace |
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| 22:35.55 | parapente | thanks thiago_home |
| 22:36.02 | parapente | I'll look for them |
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| 22:45.58 | REAPERDRAGON | hey im having a issue with kde |
| 22:46.16 | REAPERDRAGON | im not seeing the top bar where minimize and exit should be |
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| 22:46.20 | REAPERDRAGON | any advice |
| 22:46.25 | thiago_home | can you move windows? |
| 22:46.31 | thiago_home | can you click on other windows and raise them? |
| 22:46.41 | REAPERDRAGON | not really |
| 22:46.57 | REAPERDRAGON | the only way of changing windows is alt tab |
| 22:47.00 | thiago_home | then kwin has crashed |
| 22:47.08 | REAPERDRAGON | oh i see |
| 22:47.09 | thiago_home | start it again from a virtual terminal |
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| 22:47.58 | aseigo | alt-tab is also done by kwin though; that's odd |
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| 22:48.23 | Ace2017_- | Is it just me or do others see the shadow behind the app being dragged when a window is being dragged? (windows are translucent while being dragged) |
| 22:48.24 | REAPERDRAGON | it worked thanks |
| 22:48.34 | I-Shot-Kennedy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.52 | aseigo | Ace2017_-: shadows are being reworked in 4.3 |
| 22:49.03 | aseigo | Ace2017_-: that should be an issue that goes away at that point as well |
| 22:49.31 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I didn't have this problem with 4.1 |
| 22:50.20 | aseigo | I-Shot-Kennedy: integrated job progress (as opposed to them popping up in random windows around your screen) is new in 4.2 |
| 22:50.37 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Oh, I see. |
| 22:50.53 | I-Shot-Kennedy | So them being docked is by design. |
| 22:51.03 | I-Shot-Kennedy | But the window is still corrupted. |
| 22:51.06 | Ace2017_- | YAY!!!! |
| 22:51.12 | I-Shot-Kennedy | All glitchy and what not. |
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| 22:51.28 | Ace2017_- | aseigo: will i be able to disable on menus? |
| 22:51.47 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Any way to make the transfer window act like in 4.1, or at least to make it solid instead of transparent? |
| 22:51.54 | aseigo | I-Shot-Kennedy: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/todays-tip-turning-off-fancy-schmancy.html |
| 22:52.00 | Ace2017_- | any way to make it faster to switch to fullscreen? |
| 22:52.03 | reavertm | btw, does everyone 'get standing out' background under this knotify icon in system tray? or it is this famous qt 4.4 transparency issue? |
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| 22:52.15 | aseigo | Ace2017_-: don't know ... |
| 22:52.27 | cb400f | I-Shot-Kennedy: using a funny plasma theme perhaps? |
| 22:52.45 | aseigo | reavertm: that's intentional, because it's not the same as the other icons. |
| 22:53.03 | aseigo | reavertm: "standing out" is precisely the goal there :) |
| 22:53.03 | Ace2017_- | it'd be awesome to get the notifications back |
| 22:53.05 | daskreech | Hi aseigo how's life? |
| 22:53.10 | aseigo | good, thanks. you? |
| 22:53.19 | aseigo | Ace2017_-: notifications back? |
| 22:53.20 | I-Shot-Kennedy | cb400f, I thought so as well. But then I tried all of them and the problem is still there. |
| 22:53.30 | reavertm | if it's intentional, it should blend in some subtle way with system tray - because it looks like a glitch to me :P |
| 22:53.37 | Ace2017_- | aseigo: the config lines, do they work with 4.2.1? |
| 22:53.47 | aseigo | Ace2017_-: yes |
| 22:53.56 | aseigo | there's a gui for it in 4.3 already |
| 22:54.01 | Ace2017_- | aseigo: yea, the notifications disappear and are never heard from again, i don't use kde4's system tray |
| 22:54.01 | aseigo | or what will be 4.3, anyways |
| 22:54.25 | aseigo | Ace2017_-: if you aren't using the system tray, then notifications appear as they always used to |
| 22:54.32 | daskreech | aseigo: very busy right now been up for 34 hours |
| 22:54.40 | aseigo | daskreech: crazy. work? |
| 22:54.49 | daskreech | Yes |
| 22:54.50 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Oh yeah, that too. The little "!" when the transfer is going disappears randomly. Heck, the transfer windows disappears randomly as well. |
| 22:54.56 | I-Shot-Kennedy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.17 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Says "Application plasma could not be found" |
| 22:55.19 | aseigo | I-Shot-Kennedy: the transfer window doesn't dissapear randomly. it hides after 5 seconds or so... |
| 22:55.20 | reavertm | I-Shot-Kennedy: in trunk - it's plasma-desktop now |
| 22:55.20 | Ace2017_- | I-Shot-Kennedy: it should work |
| 22:55.34 | Ace2017_- | why plasma-desktop? |
| 22:55.38 | aseigo | I-Shot-Kennedy: we'll animating the hide in 4.3 so it's more obvious |
| 22:55.55 | Ace2017_- | has plasma been split up into multiple bits? |
| 22:55.58 | aseigo | I-Shot-Kennedy: click on the 'i' icon the tray to see them again... |
| 22:56.18 | Ace2017_- | plasma-desktop = kdesktop, plasma-panels = kicker? |
| 22:56.34 | aseigo | Ace2017_-: it always was. naming the main binary 'plasma' was a bit of a historical relic and confusing some people |
| 22:56.38 | aseigo | no no |
| 22:56.45 | aseigo | plasma-desktop = plasma the desktop shell |
| 22:57.02 | aseigo | why would we split that stuff up after doing so much work to put them together? :) |
| 22:57.17 | aseigo | there's also plasma-overlay, for widgets on your screen saver |
| 22:57.30 | aseigo | there plasma-mid in development, for smaller screened devices |
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| 22:57.40 | aseigo | there'll eventually be plasma-kdm |
| 22:57.46 | aseigo | or kdm-plasma, whatever |
| 22:57.49 | I-Shot-Kennedy | just a sec, trying to follow the instruction on that page. (the main problem for me is visual corruption) |
| 22:57.53 | aseigo | and a few apps use libplasma in them now |
| 22:58.05 | Ace2017_- | interesting way of doing it |
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| 22:58.29 | reavertm | btw, I recently noticed some nice animations in kickoff - maybe some effect could be stolen from bespin - tab switching fade/transition effect (not just in kickoff, i kcm tabs as well like in systemsettings), I really miss this in vanilla oxygen/plasma |
| 22:58.49 | daskreech | aseigo: It still has the slight issue of people starting to download something and then thinking it's finished cause the window isn't there next time they look |
| 22:58.49 | reavertm | is waiting for plasma to replace kwin some day... |
| 22:58.55 | aseigo | and because people like being pedantic (aka "bitch about any little irrelevant detail") we'e had to remove excuses to bitch from people by being more careful on the names of things like binaries |
| 22:59.01 | Ace2017_- | reavertm: bad idea |
| 22:59.13 | Ace2017_- | reavertm: if you don't have plasma working then you don't have kwin |
| 22:59.24 | daskreech | Ace2017_-: Not true |
| 22:59.28 | aseigo | reavertm: heh.. nah, that's not happening. we do have improved visual integration in 4.3 though. |
| 22:59.33 | daskreech | I run kwin without plasma all thetime |
| 22:59.34 | I-Shot-Kennedy | whops, kquitapp plasma-desktop killed the taskbar |
| 22:59.39 | aseigo | e.g. kwin uses plasma theme elements for things like the window selecter |
| 22:59.50 | aseigo | and the little message bubbles used in composite effects |
| 23:00.00 | aseigo | I-Shot-Kennedy: yes, that's part of the plasma desktop shell |
| 23:00.07 | Ace2017_- | daskreech: i was saying what would happen if kwin and plasma were combined into one |
| 23:00.27 | daskreech | Ace2017_-: Oh sorry missed that part. Yeah that would be horribly bad |
| 23:00.45 | I-Shot-Kennedy | 2nd step is "kde4-config --localprefix`/share/config/plasma-appletsrc" via shell? |
| 23:01.28 | aseigo | well, plasma-desktop-appletsrc if you're running trunk. and you want to open it in a text editor (kwrite, vim, whatever) |
| 23:01.44 | Ace2017_- | daskreech: how can i disable plasma? i have kde4 but i run kde3's kicker and kdesktop to get the run box and auto-hiding system tray |
| 23:02.12 | daskreech | Ace2017_-: Those both exist in KDE4 |
| 23:02.26 | reavertm | actually I wasn't suggesting plasma to replace kwin, just observing how plasma is getting more and more functional (for screensaver as well?) - I'm "afraid" it may just happen ;) |
| 23:02.30 | daskreech | granted it's not the nice animated sliiiiide to the left hide |
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| 23:03.00 | aseigo | reavertm: it actually runs on top of the screensaver .. it doesn't replace the screensaver. it's an odd little duckling that one |
| 23:03.21 | daskreech | aseigo: is there a notification spec/goal that KDE is aspiring to ? |
| 23:03.23 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Hmm... I did "kde4-config --localprefix`/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc" ... and nothing happens. |
| 23:03.28 | Ace2017_- | daskreech: well the run box was the main reason, kde's kicker was only for the system tray so i could get rid of the notification popups |
| 23:03.30 | aseigo | daskreech: for visual notifications? |
| 23:03.44 | aseigo | Ace2017_-: ok, so several things there.. |
| 23:03.47 | Ace2017_- | is there a way to keep desktop effects on when going full screen? |
| 23:03.51 | Ace2017_- | aseigo: huh? |
| 23:04.05 | aseigo | a) you can remove the panel in plasma just by, well, removing it. don't need to kill all of plasma to do that. |
| 23:04.16 | aseigo | b) the notification popups are configurable |
| 23:04.44 | aseigo | c) krunner provides a run box.. is there something in particular you're missing in it? |
| 23:04.51 | Ace2017_- | its slower |
| 23:05.21 | aseigo | raises an eyebrow |
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| 23:06.45 | I-Shot-Kennedy | plasma-desktop-appletsrc, is this a file? Can I just hunt it down and open it with Kwrite? Do I have to shut down the taskbar? |
| 23:06.48 | daskreech | aseigo: yes |
| 23:07.21 | daskreech | I-Shot-Kennedy: yes, no |
| 23:07.45 | daskreech | Ace2017_-: It is slightly slower but it's muchmuch nicer |
| 23:08.10 | daskreech | Ace2017_-: Andpretty easy to speed up turn off runners you aren't using and it caches startup much faster |
| 23:08.49 | Ace2017_- | daskreech: well i've always used the run box as just a run command box, so the speed of kde3's run is better |
| 23:09.05 | Ace2017_- | can you disable the animation on plasma panel hiding? |
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| 23:10.34 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Hmm, I dont seem to have "plasma-desktop-appletsrc" in the config folder |
| 23:10.40 | daskreech | I don't think I even had animation on mine |
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| 23:11.45 | draugdel | without desktop effects it disappears, with them it slides out of view |
| 23:12.57 | Ace2017_- | yea without desktop effects its nice |
| 23:13.33 | Ace2017_- | as for plasma as a system tray i'm too used to having the system tray popup when you touch the entire edge and not just the part of the edge where the panel is, i just tried it and its not for me |
| 23:13.59 | daskreech | draugdel: Hmm interesting I normally have desktop effects on Maybe I just noticed it when I toggled it off |
| 23:14.15 | daskreech | Ace2017_-: Oh you can toggle desktop effects on and off with a shortcut btw |
| 23:14.38 | Ace2017_- | yea i use it a lot |
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| 23:14.58 | draugdel | daskreech: which shortcut would that be? |
| 23:14.59 | daskreech | would have thought edgedetection would be a option :) |
| 23:15.11 | daskreech | I'm assuming that you can have two panels on the same edge? |
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| 23:15.17 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I can find that "plasma-desktop-appletsrc" file anywhere |
| 23:15.21 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Cant that is |
| 23:15.31 | daskreech | one right aligned and one left alinged? |
| 23:15.58 | draugdel | I-Shot-Kennedy: .kde4/share/config? |
| 23:16.00 | daskreech | I-Shot-Kennedy: What's ls ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* say |
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| 23:16.22 | daskreech | draugdel: alt+shift+F12 |
| 23:16.58 | Ace2017_- | anyone know how to get it to have effects in fullscreen, mplayer takes far too long to switch to fullscreen and back |
| 23:17.11 | I-Shot-Kennedy | No such file or directory |
| 23:17.36 | daskreech | I-Shot-Kennedy: run plasma-desktop |
| 23:18.14 | I-Shot-Kennedy | ok, that gave me the taskbar back |
| 23:18.17 | draugdel | daskreech: that shortcut is handy :) |
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| 23:19.40 | daskreech | draugdel: Youhave no idea |
| 23:19.51 | daskreech | Argh need memory |
| 23:19.59 | daskreech | flick off desktop effects |
| 23:20.10 | I-Shot-Kennedy | me? |
| 23:20.11 | daskreech | ooh look family that needs swooosh to impress |
| 23:20.16 | daskreech | flickit back on |
| 23:20.22 | daskreech | OK openGL game |
| 23:20.26 | daskreech | flickit back off |
| 23:20.43 | draugdel | don't have that problem: all my computers are stacked with memory ;) |
| 23:20.52 | draugdel | hehe yeah, quite handy :) |
| 23:21.07 | Ace2017_- | draugdel: are you graphics cards and their drives as good? |
| 23:21.19 | I-Shot-Kennedy | any other way of me getting the file transfer window to display like it did under 4.1? |
| 23:21.58 | I-Shot-Kennedy | because right now, it is glitchy as hell |
| 23:22.09 | draugdel | no, i have got a new ati card and the drivers aren't really good. i'm currently on radeonhd and don't have 3d accel :/ |
| 23:22.14 | daskreech | I-Shot-Kennedy: run kquitapp plasma-desktop |
| 23:22.26 | daskreech | then try the ls ~/.kde etc command |
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| 23:23.15 | I-Shot-Kennedy | says run kquitapp plasma-desktop |
| 23:23.21 | I-Shot-Kennedy | command not found |
| 23:23.32 | drantin | ... |
| 23:23.40 | drantin | leave out the `run` |
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| 23:24.11 | I-Shot-Kennedy | k, it killed everything cept the chat window and the terminal |
| 23:24.39 | daskreech | ok in the terminal run ls ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* |
| 23:24.55 | I-Shot-Kennedy | with the *? |
| 23:25.37 | I-Shot-Kennedy | never mind, tried both |
| 23:26.05 | I-Shot-Kennedy | cannot access /home/DaUser/.kde/share/config/plasma: No such file or directory |
| 23:26.31 | draugdel | maybe it is in ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma* |
| 23:27.18 | I-Shot-Kennedy | there is a kde subfolder in my home directory, and there is a share folder in there. however, there is no plasma file or directory carrying the plasma in name anywhere below |
| 23:28.03 | I-Shot-Kennedy | different version/revision maybe? (I installed 4.2 just few hours ago) |
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| 23:28.31 | daskreech | I-Shot-Kennedy: how did you determinethere is nothing below share? |
| 23:28.56 | I-Shot-Kennedy | when I had the shell running and looked everywhere for a folder named kde or kde4 |
| 23:29.01 | draugdel | those files should have been created by running plasma-desktop |
| 23:29.15 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I unhid the "hidden files" option in dolphin and found a .kde folder in my home dir |
| 23:29.55 | draugdel | try `find ~ -name "plasma"` |
| 23:30.44 | draugdel | make that `find ~/.kde -name "plasma*"` |
| 23:30.48 | I-Shot-Kennedy | hmm that gave me this |
| 23:31.00 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I got /home/DaUser/.kde4/share/apps/plasma |
| 23:31.10 | I-Shot-Kennedy | is that the correct path then? |
| 23:31.23 | draugdel | no, that was a mistake on my part |
| 23:31.33 | draugdel | with the second command you should get the config files |
| 23:31.44 | I-Shot-Kennedy | second one? |
| 23:31.46 | I-Shot-Kennedy | let me try |
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| 23:32.20 | I-Shot-Kennedy | terminal just hangs draugdel |
| 23:32.44 | draugdel | woah, that shouldn't happen |
| 23:32.58 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I ctrl-c and I am back |
| 23:33.58 | draugdel | well, the file should be under ~./kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc |
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| 23:34.08 | draugdel | i don't know why it isn't there |
| 23:34.24 | I-Shot-Kennedy | man, they should make it you can just untick an option somewhere to make the transfer window act a certain way. I can't belive nobody noticed the issues with gfx corruption. |
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| 23:34.52 | draugdel | that is in 4.3 ;) |
| 23:35.04 | daskreech | I-Shot-Kennedy: Exists already |
| 23:35.22 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Right now I am using my HD LED light as an indicator of transfer status. When it stops I know its done. The window is totally glitched. (=useless) |
| 23:35.52 | I-Shot-Kennedy | daskreech, how? |
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| 23:35.59 | gladier | hey guys, i have a few problems that seem to occur all at the same time - or they all work perfectly. i'm running kde 4.2.1. A: ctrl-alt-l doesn't work to lock the screen; B: alt-f2 doesn't bring up the 'run a command' bar; C: typing anything into the search bar in the slab-style menu causes the menu to freeze for ~2mins; D: changing window behaviour options also makes the window freeze for ~10 mins. I have had all of these working perfectly at times |
| 23:36.14 | nashk | Hi, how can I copy over a podcat to my ipod in amarok2? |
| 23:36.52 | drantin | gladier: heh, I'd never bothered looking up the shortcut to lock my session, thanks :D |
| 23:37.44 | engineer | I-Shot-Kennedy i dont like your nick |
| 23:38.01 | gladier | and E: sometimes clicking anywhere on a window will only let me move it ... and this continues till i restart X |
| 23:38.26 | engineer | found a bug in kde |
| 23:38.41 | engineer | is there anyone who can report it for me? |
| 23:38.57 | engineer | i have no account |
| 23:39.02 | gladier | engineer: http://bugs.kde.org/ |
| 23:39.09 | cuznt | kde 4.2.1 32bit flash is not recognized. i went to http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ then restarted pc.only to get an update for adobe flash |
| 23:39.10 | engineer | and i aint got much time to register right now |
| 23:39.27 | cuznt | !bugs |
| 23:39.44 | cuznt | !flash |
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| 23:39.56 | engineer | 64bit flash runs fine on my system |
| 23:40.08 | cuznt | !botsnack |
| 23:40.22 | cuznt | try this then please www.thepolyphonicspree.com |
| 23:40.45 | I-Shot-Kennedy | How do I start the shell again? (I need my taskbar back) I'm just not going to use dolphin anymore as a file manager until this gets fixed. |
| 23:40.47 | engineer | ok |
| 23:40.47 | cuznt | i thought my flash was phine,. |
| 23:41.39 | engineer | well |
| 23:41.49 | draugdel | i-shot-kennedy `plasma-desktop &` |
| 23:41.50 | engineer | the version check of the site is flawed |
| 23:42.11 | I-Shot-Kennedy | got it, it's back |
| 23:42.35 | cuznt | so it taint me eh? |
| 23:42.36 | cuznt | danks |
| 23:42.52 | draugdel | doesn't work in: FF, opera, and konqueror for me |
| 23:42.58 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I'm going to use the konqueror file manager from now on. |
| 23:43.12 | daskreech | I-Shot-Kennedy: try logout and back in that should force the file to get made |
| 23:43.38 | gladier | cuznt: that page is borked ... i'm running the latest flash on my windows and linux box - and it complains the flash is outdated |
| 23:43.48 | cuznt | ok thanks |
| 23:44.11 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I was just configuring konqueror (icon size and what not) |
| 23:44.20 | draugdel | i-shot-kennedy: konqueror uses the same dialog (?) |
| 23:44.30 | I-Shot-Kennedy | it does? |
| 23:44.44 | draugdel | i think so |
| 23:44.55 | I-Shot-Kennedy | let me test then |
| 23:45.57 | I-Shot-Kennedy | yup it does |
| 23:46.13 | draugdel | try daskreech's suggestion ;) |
| 23:46.32 | I-Shot-Kennedy | transfering a 1.2GB file. (lol, the transfer window is MIA, as in nowhere to be seen. not even an icon in the tray) |
| 23:47.07 | I-Shot-Kennedy | in my best Borat voice: "Niiiceee!" |
| 23:48.47 | daskreech | I-Shot-Kennedy: Well you are running trunk and they are rewritting a goodpart of the system aswell asnotifications so I'm sorry if you expect it to work all the time |
| 23:49.40 | I-Shot-Kennedy | i dunno, I checked some forums including that link aseigo gave me and there are similar issues going back to January |
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| 23:51.44 | hallowname | I-Shot-Kennedy: haha, ive ran trunk for ages. it stays 'broken' in someway or another. beautiful to watch it grow tho. |
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| 23:52.26 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I am going to reboot to see If that will get the transfer window to come back. I went from glitchy window to no window at all now. |
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| 23:52.58 | I-Shot-Kennedy | hell, bring on the glichy window, at least I don't have to stare at my HD LED anymore. |
| 23:53.24 | hallowname | I-Shot-Kennedy: htop? |
| 23:53.49 | hallowname | I-Shot-Kennedy: rebooting during a file transfer doesnt usually end well for me :) |
| 23:54.40 | I-Shot-Kennedy | I think its done now. |
| 23:55.17 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Thing of it is, I upgraded from 4.1 to 4.2 to escape the problems with tray icons gfx glitches. Now 4.2 fixed those, but there are new ones. |
| 23:55.58 | I-Shot-Kennedy | Anyways, thanks for the tips everyone. |
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