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| 00:05.14 | SAS_Spidey01 | Hi; when first starting a freshly compiled KDE4.2.2, I got a message that there was a problem starting an akonadi server, with self checks. Only problem, it disappeared before I could scan the list; anyway to find out what I missed? |
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| 00:14.52 | silver_hook | G'night everybody, I'm off to bed |
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| 00:19.13 | SAS_Spidey01 | hmm, setting PATH in ~/xsession before running startkde4 seems to fix a few things |
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| 00:43.19 | miki | SAS_Spidey01: try in .local/share/akonadi/db_data |
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| 00:47.38 | xfurious | anyone here use ubuntu and kimono? i dunno where it put the steenking assemblies... |
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| 00:50.17 | xfurious | is there a channel more related to kde4 and C#? |
| 00:50.28 | xfurious | oh kdebindings right? |
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| 01:32.03 | tdfischer | hey, how would I get sponsorship to go to the GCDS? |
| 01:32.18 | tdfischer | from the kde e.v. |
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| 01:41.12 | comawhite | i like this virus effect in kde4 |
| 01:41.13 | comawhite | :) |
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| 01:45.51 | crweb | I'm trying to build kdelibs. I keep getting: string.h:367 error: ambiguates old declaration âconst char* strcasestr(const char*, const char*)â |
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| 02:09.22 | JukeBoxHero | is there any limit to the no. of partitions dolphin can display? |
| 02:09.32 | JukeBoxHero | coz i'm missing one partition here |
| 02:09.35 | JukeBoxHero | ext4 |
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| 02:16.26 | g1lt | how do I disable screen locking in kde4? it seems to ignore the settings in the system config. |
| 02:18.35 | mannequinZOD | there is an option in the power manager |
| 02:18.49 | drantin | had problems with it prior to 4.2.2 |
| 02:19.22 | mannequinZOD | Configure Desktop -->Advanced-->Power Managmen |
| 02:19.24 | mannequinZOD | t |
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| 02:26.33 | deitarion | Is there any kind of system for escalating and/or getting community response if I feel a developer has made a GNOME-like RESO INVALID in error? |
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| 02:28.28 | Jucato | that depends... nowadays people (KDE users) throw around "GNOME-like" to refer to anything they don't like. whether or not that thing they don't like is actually valid or appropriate |
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| 02:29.36 | Jucato | do you have a link? |
| 02:29.56 | deitarion | asiego marked my request for single-activity operation on multi-monitor desktops without dead space as RESO INVALID. |
| 02:30.10 | deitarion | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183380 |
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| 02:33.30 | apparmor | help ! the desktop can not show the files in /home/user/desktop folder. how can I add that widge ? |
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| 02:34.27 | Jucato | deitarion: hardly anything "gnome-like" about it. if anything, I'd just say he didn't put a comment on why he closed the bug (btw, the INVALID resolution may mean a few other things sometimes). maybe you can ask him "why" (before going all "he's gone GNOME-like" |
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| 02:35.33 | deitarion | Jucato: Point. I suppose I'm partly reacting to various other commentary I've seen (eg. on his blog) regarding the decision to not support multi-monitor activities and various peoples' reactions to it. |
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| 02:37.23 | deitarion | The impression I got has been that he just doesn't want to risk the potential hassles and misdirected feature requests that "re-thinking" his decision on multi-monitor panels (a side-effect of multi-monitor activities) would bring. |
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| 02:38.21 | DeFender1031 | hi, what's the best way from within a C++ app to get a list of handles to all currently open windows? |
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| 02:39.21 | Jucato | deitarion: if he's afraid of risk from those, he wouldn't be working on Plasma at all... in any case, from single bug report with absolutely no comment/discussion at all, I think you're too quick to jump to a GNOME-like conclusion. best to talk to him about it before you go about "escalating" things |
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| 02:40.21 | deitarion | I did say that it's not entirely "one bug with no comment or discussion", but thank. Now that I've had some time to think about it, it was a bit of a knee-jerk reaction. |
| 02:40.28 | deitarion | s/thank/thanks/ |
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| 02:41.34 | Jucato | yes, you did say that but *after* I checked the bug report. anyone reading the first part of teh conversation would have no context :) |
| 02:42.57 | deitarion | Anyway, I'm typing up a response on the bug now. I'm just glad this isn't really GNOME-like or my newly-confirmed knee-jerk reaction problem (This is the second time I've done it in the last six months) would have really escalated. |
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| 02:48.21 | deitarion | There. Response committed. |
| 02:48.38 | DeFender1031 | anyone? |
| 02:50.03 | Jucato | DeFender1031: as in you're coding that C++ app? you can probably ask in #kde-devel or #kwin as this is a user support channel. those two are more development-oriented |
| 02:50.12 | Jucato | although since it's a weekend, traffic might be lower |
| 02:50.22 | DeFender1031 | Jucato, thanks, sorry, i didn't know about those channels |
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| 03:28.49 | swapnil | hi |
| 03:28.57 | mannequinZOD | hi |
| 03:29.39 | DebLenny | Can anyone help me with desktop sharing? |
| 03:30.25 | DebLenny | KDE 4 Debian 'Lenny' |
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| 03:32.05 | DDevine | What do you want to achieve? |
| 03:32.06 | DebLenny | Sorry KDE 3.5.10 |
| 03:32.50 | DebLenny | just getting it to work, I just get this error....Cannot find KInetD. The KDE daemon (kded) may have crashed or has not been started at all, or the installation failed. |
| 03:33.18 | DDevine | Yeah... crash... |
| 03:33.21 | DebLenny | I do need to note that this is afresh install |
| 03:33.54 | DDevine | You should maybe ask #debian or read a tutorial/google search what you are trying to do in relation to debian lenny and kde 3 |
| 03:34.20 | DebLenny | Yeah, thought I would throw it out here also I am on Debian chat also |
| 03:34.53 | DebLenny | I will keep hittin it.. thanx |
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| 03:35.20 | DDevine | Sorry I don't have much experience with that stuff DebLenny. |
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| 03:36.39 | DDevine | I just use NX... if there isn't a reason you really need desktop SHARING then I would reccommend just using NX or remote work. |
| 03:36.44 | DDevine | s/or/for |
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| 03:37.57 | DebLenny | Just trying to setup a machine for a buddy and would like to be able to help him when he takes this machine home |
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| 03:38.53 | DDevine | Do you want to him to acutally see what you are doing? - or is it more for just doing things when he can't? |
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| 03:43.04 | Akow | Has anyone here tried the Arch Linux KDEMod? |
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| 03:50.27 | plutonian | I have a really weird problem in kde 4.2 |
| 03:50.35 | plutonian | my desktop just got scrambled |
| 03:50.42 | plutonian | the clock is all over the place |
| 03:50.52 | plutonian | as are my other plasmoids |
| 03:51.05 | Akow | Is it lagging as well? |
| 03:51.24 | plutonian | not noticably |
| 03:51.47 | plutonian | at least compositing isn't |
| 03:51.58 | plutonian | I tried disabling and re-enabling compositing but nothing happened |
| 03:52.01 | Akow | Hmmm, I've seen it happen, and it's usually the calendar plasmoid that's the culprit, but it's usually accompanied by lag. |
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| 03:53.51 | plutonian | I just tried removing the calendar plasmoid and nothing happened |
| 03:54.13 | Akow | What exactly do you mean by "all over the place"? |
| 03:54.16 | plutonian | guess I'll just have to log out and log in and hope it doesn't happen again |
| 03:54.28 | plutonian | all over my desktop background |
| 03:54.47 | plutonian | and bottom panel |
| 03:54.51 | Akow | Repeating itself like a pattern, you mean? |
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| 03:54.59 | plutonian | not any recognizable pattern |
| 03:55.03 | Akow | What's your video card and driver? |
| 03:55.22 | plutonian | nvida 9200M, using propreitary drivers |
| 03:55.49 | plutonian | some of the stuff seems to be bits of my firefox session |
| 03:56.18 | Akow | I've had a similar problem with intel, but haven't heard of it ever happening on an nvidia card. If it doesn't disappear on relogging, maybe try out the open source driver? |
| 03:56.22 | devilsadvocate_ | how can i get my yakuake to remember its session (number of windows open, icluding how they are horizontally/vertically spilt?) |
| 03:56.22 | Akow | shrugs. |
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| 03:58.14 | plutonian | akow: open source nvidia drivers don't support 3d acceleration |
| 03:58.22 | plutonian | they're lamost entirely worthless |
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| 03:58.43 | plutonian | why would I want a graphics card if I can't have fast 3d graphics? |
| 04:00.03 | Akow | Don't ask me, I'm not the one who gave Linux shoddy hardware support. |
| 04:01.49 | SAS_Spidey01 | fast 3D graphics are overrated |
| 04:02.48 | Akow | No, they really aren't. Not for desktop use. |
| 04:04.26 | Akow | Hey, have any of you used KDE with Arch Linux? I find the various KDE distros I've tried to be somewhat lacking, at least in part due to the distro's own tools, tweaks, bloat, whatever and was wondering if grabbing a barebones KDE 4.2.x via pacman might be the solution. |
| 04:05.51 | SAS_Spidey01 | Akow: who needs a 3D desktop? |
| 04:06.44 | Jucato | Akow: if you're judging distros based on distro's set of tools, I doubt that a vanilla KDE setup would appeal to you :) |
| 04:07.50 | joss | SAS_Spidey01, yeah i also do not need any 3d desktop, would want marble to run with intel though |
| 04:08.03 | joss | SAS_Spidey01, what gpu card you using? |
| 04:08.07 | Akow | Jucato: They just seem to get in the way, more often than not. And why would a vanilla version be no better? I'm hoping to get something that I can customize myself, instead of trying to reverse what the Kubuntu/SUSE/whoever guys have done to it. |
| 04:08.25 | SAS_Spidey01 | joss: ATI Radeon Xpress 300M, 64M shared |
| 04:08.36 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: compositing does more than just give "3D" (a misnormer anyway) desktop. the compositing also helps with basic window display issues such as tearing and artifacts |
| 04:08.38 | joss | SAS_Spidey01, marble running smoothly there? |
| 04:08.51 | joss | Anyone using intel card to test out? |
| 04:08.59 | SAS_Spidey01 | until recently, just playing xgalaga would go to max CPU usage; now I can even use xcompmgr/transet-df |
| 04:09.19 | Jucato | Akow: ah I thought you were actually looking for distro system admin tools. because KDE has just a few of them |
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| 04:09.32 | SAS_Spidey01 | Jucato: I've been around since 'DeskMate' was considered sexy, don't see a *need* for it |
| 04:09.34 | joss | SAS_Spidey01, that is opengl, marble isn't yet at least |
| 04:09.37 | SAS_Spidey01 | joss: marble? |
| 04:09.52 | joss | SAS_Spidey01, yeah a program globe program for kde4 |
| 04:10.10 | Akow | Jucato: Nope, those I can easily find on my own. It just seems as if the majority of mainstream distros have been bogging down their releases with all sorts of cruft as of late. |
| 04:10.18 | SAS_Spidey01 | I'd assume it's a part of kdeedu, or just an add-on? |
| 04:10.24 | joss | it seems cool, but i need it to run bit moore smoothly or i am going to upset more |
| 04:10.25 | devilsadvocate_ | joss: marble runs fine on intel gm965 |
| 04:10.30 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: I'm not talking about the need for those 3D effects. I'm talking about the basic advantages of compositing itself. |
| 04:11.04 | SAS_Spidey01 | Jucato: and as I tried to express, never noticed any basic advantage ;-) |
| 04:11.07 | Jucato | is it absolutely needed? of course not. but it does solve window tearing and artifacts |
| 04:11.14 | joss | devilsadvocate_, hmm i have 945gme, that is bit weaker, but it should run there too actually, but tordten says it need migrateheuristics greedy |
| 04:11.19 | luke-jr | Jucato: what, exactly, needs compositing besides 3D? |
| 04:11.44 | joss | devilsadvocate_, torsten, lemme find the thread, i tried to contact him though |
| 04:11.45 | luke-jr | joss: why does Marble care aobut cards? It's 2D |
| 04:11.51 | luke-jr | compositing is a BAD solution to many things IMO |
| 04:11.53 | luke-jr | like transparency |
| 04:11.56 | luke-jr | that doesn't need compositing |
| 04:12.00 | luke-jr | just an alpha channel |
| 04:12.00 | Akow | luke-jr: Well, it's rather useful for window management; fast resizing, Expose clones and the like. |
| 04:12.06 | Jucato | luke-jr: compositing isn't only used for 3D. as for marble, it's not about 3D vs. 2D. is't about the OpenGL support |
| 04:12.20 | luke-jr | OpenGL isn't needed for transparency, either |
| 04:12.34 | luke-jr | AFAIK, Marble doesn't use OpenGL? |
| 04:12.41 | joss | luke-jr, yeah, it is 2d and i do not know, googleearth runs on 3d but i need to tweak this exa 2d performance here |
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| 04:13.00 | Jucato | luke-jr: Software rendering vs. hardware rendering |
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| 04:13.11 | joss | luke-jr, guess not according to marble's authors words, but i have low band to check things out here |
| 04:13.19 | luke-jr | Jucato: alpha blending is simple enough that it makes no difference provide the software is implemented properly |
| 04:13.50 | joss | Jucato: it should rely on exa 2d accel still , that should be hardware |
| 04:15.11 | Jucato | luke-jr: alpha blending *within* a window's widgets. alpha blending across/between windows needs a composite manager |
| 04:15.15 | joss | devilsadvocate_, hmm, so you can run it smoothly as googleaearth, no glinches and glimbses? |
| 04:15.34 | luke-jr | Jucato: no it doesn't, it just needs an X server that doesn't suck |
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| 04:16.25 | devilsadvocate_ | joss: i havent tried google earth. it seems fine though. higher zoom levels on satellite view takes a bit of time to populate. other than that it seems quite alright |
| 04:16.45 | Jucato | luke-jr: yes it does. now whether the compositing will use software (no need for hardware acceleration) or hardware rendering is a different matter |
| 04:17.23 | joss | devilsadvocate_, yeah for me there are like glinches between scrolls, like it thinks always |
| 04:17.47 | joss | yeah loading doesn't matter, but using is bad, and torsten describes that also, moment |
| 04:18.30 | devilsadvocate_ | joss: on *buntu jaunty there seems to be some issue with intel graphics driver causing X to eat up cpu. perhaps that problem is more widespread? |
| 04:18.33 | joss | devilsadvocate_, http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php%3Fp%3D70679&ei=fuDzSa31JJ2wtgOR0ejYCg&usg=AFQjCNFLOPoG9QoxAkGa3MffyxiRHWsE7A |
| 04:19.00 | joss | devilsadvocate_, i have jaunty:) |
| 04:19.54 | joss | devilsadvocate_, but i need to pass this migrationheuristic option there, i think that is not interpreted for intel userspace driver, as it makes no difference here using that option |
| 04:19.58 | Akow | devilsadvocate_: That's a driver problem, and can be fixed in about a minute by switching to the old version. |
| 04:19.59 | devilsadvocate_ | joss: even with that problem i'm happy with marble performance |
| 04:20.22 | devilsadvocate_ | although font rendering could be better |
| 04:20.29 | devilsadvocate_ | Akow: old driver version? |
| 04:20.30 | joss | devilsadvocate_, ok do you have that option marked ? |
| 04:20.58 | devilsadvocate_ | joss: i have pretty much the default. i set Accel to UXA iirc, but other than that no changes |
| 04:21.28 | joss | devilsadvocate_, hmm, uxa ..ok do this: |
| 04:21.31 | g1lt | is it possible to get aim support on kde4 kopete? |
| 04:21.39 | devilsadvocate_ | joss: although i should probably mention that on a laptop with 945gm desktop effects refused to get enabled. never had any probelm with that on 965 |
| 04:21.45 | joss | devilsadvocate_, fire up marble -fps, go full zoom and see what numbers you get |
| 04:21.50 | Akow | Akow: Yeah, it's apparently a problem with the new intel drivers and their support for a range of card models. It's mentioned in the release notes: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904 |
| 04:22.10 | joss | devilsadvocate_, how marble ran for your 945gm, you have that card also? |
| 04:22.22 | Akow | And here's the fix: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4 |
| 04:22.33 | joss | devilsadvocate_, use satellite view map |
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| 04:22.54 | joss | devilsadvocate_, and then move ahead on the map |
| 04:23.08 | joss | i get constant 10fps with my card here |
| 04:23.19 | joss | glxgears 1000 |
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| 04:23.56 | devilsadvocate_ | joss: ~5-10 fps on osm view, including some network latency and a bunch of other stuff running. glxgears gives me ~700 |
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| 04:25.13 | joss | devilsadvocate_, hmm, ok then the same.. |
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| 04:25.59 | devilsadvocate_ | joss: hmm.. its taking far longer to get the satellite images in high zoom. fps says to be about 15 fp when i try moving the globe though |
| 04:26.07 | joss | devilsadvocate_, well i will run it on windows to make sure if it is even capable doing better |
| 04:27.17 | joss | devilsadvocate_, but moving as smooth as it can be you say...well offline moving i have exact same thung? |
| 04:28.07 | g1lt | so the kde 4 version of kopete no longer supports aol instant messanger? just trying to get confirmation here |
| 04:29.24 | devilsadvocate_ | joss: it could definitely be smoother, but i havent seem marble or google earth move any smoother than this before. not by much atleast |
| 04:29.58 | devilsadvocate_ | joss: movement isnt as much a problem as updating to higher zoom level imagery, even on osm. there is some delay there |
| 04:30.28 | devilsadvocate_ | joss: for example, for fonts to rescale, etc is taking too much time |
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| 04:31.32 | Jucato | g1lt: is that AIM? because if yes, then it's still supported. otherwise, try asking in #kopete |
| 04:31.44 | joss | devilsadvocate_, author says they are not yet optmized yeah, i get the delay to, only moving the globe is smooth at a first grade level..the highest from ground |
| 04:32.35 | joss | devilsadvocate_, but google earth is smooth as it can be here |
| 04:32.41 | devilsadvocate_ | joss: movement is fine here. the first time is slow for images to update. next time i go back its pretty good even at the highest level |
| 04:33.43 | joss | devilsadvocate_, ok, then i suspect still somethings wrong with the setup here, hmm , i do not know how to record that app, captury did not work here, else i would show |
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| 04:39.28 | g1lt | is anyone else using a tablet with kde4? I've been having issues with accidental drag and drop as outlined in this post: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=542387, unsure what's causing the problem |
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| 04:40.58 | joss | devilsadvocate_, you run jaunty right? what about when you issue LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 or run it totally with a software LIBGL.so.1 implementation, do you see any performance regression? |
| 04:41.24 | devilsadvocate_ | joss: havent tried |
| 04:41.29 | joss | apt-get install libgl1-mesa-swx11 && marble -fps |
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| 04:41.57 | joss | if you could try such thing, it gives me little interest, this should be a last test, i promise |
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| 04:42.48 | devilsadvocate_ | joss: im a little occupied at the moment. perhaps later? |
| 04:43.17 | joss | devilsadvocate_, yeah can do |
| 04:44.30 | joss | devilsadvocate_, but leave me a note if you become free for ten minutes again, during todays 10hours from now:) |
| 04:44.49 | devilsadvocate_ | joss: sure |
| 04:45.12 | joss | will try to stay online, now multimaster works, will switch the server then |
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| 04:49.04 | DDevine | I heard Arch users like KDE. |
| 04:49.19 | karthikp | The other way. |
| 04:49.20 | karthikp | :) |
| 04:49.24 | DDevine | The majority I mean. |
| 04:50.07 | g1lt | so no-one else has encountered issues using a tablet with kde4? |
| 04:50.49 | Jucato | g1lt: I'd guess kde4 users with tablets are not that common. you can probably ask in #koffice as some of the devs might have wacoms |
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| 04:56.57 | luke-jr | g1lt: NIT? |
| 04:57.06 | luke-jr | g1lt: I had to upgrade X.org to start KDE |
| 04:57.38 | g1lt | oh my install works fine, it's just a behavioural problem |
| 04:57.54 | g1lt | doubleclick is 50% of the time misdetected as a drag n drop |
| 04:58.04 | g1lt | makes file management frustratingly hard |
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| 05:00.46 | g1lt | like actually impossible at times. single click select becomes dragged selection box, which then can't be closed |
| 05:01.48 | luke-jr | g1lt: I suspect that may be X-related |
| 05:02.15 | g1lt | it never happened with kde 3.5 |
| 05:02.43 | g1lt | soo .. should I upgrade xorg-server? |
| 05:03.00 | luke-jr | in this case, I'd suspect more a configuration thing |
| 05:03.03 | luke-jr | than upgrade |
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| 05:03.39 | g1lt | er, why would the settings be affected? they were fine in previous kde versions. it seems like a kde 4.x issue |
| 05:04.16 | luke-jr | could be KDE 4 sets some X settings? |
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| 05:06.56 | JukeBoxHero | why cant the Konqueror devs incorporate RSS feeds into the browser itself like firefox. . |
| 05:07.33 | g1lt | I'm not sure what settings would be changed, or how they could be counteracted luke-jr |
| 05:08.25 | fde | JukeBoxHero: Akregator provides a kpart for Konqueror to view RSS |
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| 05:09.57 | JukeBoxHero | fde: i know that, why do i have to open two apps which firefox accomplishes comfortably as one |
| 05:10.35 | fde | JukeBoxHero: Because KDE prefers to do things the Unix way, rather than the Microsoft way? |
| 05:10.42 | JukeBoxHero | lmao |
| 05:10.52 | JukeBoxHero | please, spare me! |
| 05:11.08 | JukeBoxHero | haha mr super way here |
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| 05:12.21 | fde | No seriously... smaller apps used together to accomplish a goal... take things like systemsettings... its actually just a shell, each module is a different app providing a kpart... same goes for Kontact, each part of the PIM suite is a different app, all providing a kpart to embed in Kontact |
| 05:12.46 | fde | Microsoft loves bloated piles of crap that are hard to maintain, and Firefox is becoming the same way |
| 05:13.23 | luke-jr | fde: then why were kicker+kdesktop combined into plasma? ;) |
| 05:14.27 | JukeBoxHero | that will all matter when KDE actually is stable fde |
| 05:14.42 | JukeBoxHero | not now, when every little toolbar icon change crashed the whole app |
| 05:14.43 | Jucato | JukeBoxHero: because Firefox is Firefox, and is only a browser. it's not part of a larger project like a desktop or platform. KDE, and konqueror, have different goals. KDE has Akreagator, which is part of a PIM suite. now,that doesn't stop you or anyone from filing a wish or developing that plugin themselves |
| 05:15.02 | fde | luke-jr: no idea, honestly, ask aseigo about the design rationale there... but the actual apps for KDE tend to follow the same paradigm... |
| 05:15.22 | luke-jr | fde: tbh, it does make sense to me |
| 05:15.27 | luke-jr | but plasma eats a ton of RAM |
| 05:15.43 | fde | luke-jr: yes... which is sort of annoying |
| 05:15.51 | luke-jr | "sort of"? |
| 05:15.55 | luke-jr | it makes me swap :< |
| 05:15.57 | devilsadvocate_ | looks at his ram usage |
| 05:16.03 | devilsadvocate_ | a ton? seriously? |
| 05:16.11 | luke-jr | yeah |
| 05:16.13 | luke-jr | a ton |
| 05:16.18 | fde | Something like 50mb resident memory, its nuts |
| 05:16.28 | luke-jr | plasma is the biggest RAM user on my device |
| 05:16.35 | fde | Sometimes like 400mb shared |
| 05:16.39 | luke-jr | unless I start marble |
| 05:16.47 | luke-jr | fde: that's def exaggerating |
| 05:16.50 | aseigo | it has nothing to do with plasma, actually |
| 05:16.57 | aseigo | here: |
| 05:17.04 | aseigo | http://bddf.ca/~aseigo/leakage.tar.gz |
| 05:17.20 | aseigo | grab that, build it, run it and while it's visibe on screen watch xrestop and be scared |
| 05:17.31 | aseigo | that's a qt only app .. |
| 05:17.32 | luke-jr | nto talking about X resources now |
| 05:17.44 | aseigo | grumbles |
| 05:17.48 | luke-jr | nor long-running leaks |
| 05:17.51 | luke-jr | just the initial RAM use |
| 05:17.55 | luke-jr | by plasma itself |
| 05:18.02 | fde | aseigo: there is no way to control it, or just not use xrestop? |
| 05:18.23 | aseigo | fde: well, i've found the source of that particular problem in qt ... hopefully we'll have a fix for it soon |
| 05:18.35 | fde | aseigo: yay :) |
| 05:18.41 | aseigo | laurent and i cleaned up a variety of slower leaks this week as well |
| 05:18.45 | aseigo | now.. that said.. |
| 05:18.50 | luke-jr | how about initial RAM use? :/ |
| 05:19.10 | aseigo | there's a certain amount of realism required as to memory usage when you're displaying a full screen wallpaper @32bbp |
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| 05:19.23 | luke-jr | there is no such thing as 32bpp -.- |
| 05:19.37 | luke-jr | you're saying if I turn off the wallpaper it'll be sane? |
| 05:19.46 | aseigo | argb == 32 mofo |
| 05:19.52 | fde | luke-jr: I think my 50mb resident and 400mb shared RAM usage is due to this leak, so it is definitely good news to me... I don't tend to stop X unless I'm restarted for a new kernel |
| 05:20.00 | luke-jr | aseigo: desktop has no need for alpha |
| 05:20.08 | aseigo | sighs |
| 05:20.26 | devilsadvocate_ | luke-jr: i'd disagree with that. i use the alpha all the time |
| 05:20.32 | aseigo | right now my plasma is taking 10mb resident |
| 05:20.35 | luke-jr | devilsadvocate_: on your *desktop*? |
| 05:20.44 | devilsadvocate_ | luke-jr: yes |
| 05:20.46 | luke-jr | startx |
| 05:20.52 | luke-jr | devilsadvocate_: what's behind it? |
| 05:21.02 | joss | aseigo, doesnËt that arthur stuff have a an opengl backend to switch with marble :P? |
| 05:21.16 | fde | aseigo: I can understand plasma being a heavy process... but currently it is unacceptably so in my opinion... I can live with it because I have 2gb RAM, but it gets rediculous when you discuss smaller devices - which I think is a goal of plasma in the future? |
| 05:21.17 | joss | to get a better performance that way |
| 05:21.27 | devilsadvocate_ | luke-jr: the blackness of my screnn |
| 05:21.30 | aseigo | luke-jr: so, first there's no such thing as 32bbp, then you say you don't need it ;) seriously, it's part of the rendering that goes on in qgraphicsscene |
| 05:21.31 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 05:21.45 | luke-jr | aseigo: no way to make it 24bpp? |
| 05:21.50 | aseigo | fde: i've run it quite successfully on the maemo. small enougH? |
| 05:22.07 | luke-jr | eck |
| 05:22.15 | luke-jr | plasma screwed up my panels :< |
| 05:22.18 | aseigo | or rather the n810 |
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| 05:22.33 | fde | aseigo: 31987 fde 20 0 292m 41m 25m S 5 2.1 23:18.06 plasma <-- plasma after about a day, it gets much worse |
| 05:22.36 | joss | if we have opengl support on the n800 we can do something similar with gtk2+cario+glitz or qt4+arthur(opengl backend), 1 |
| 05:22.42 | luke-jr | aseigo: exactly my platform |
| 05:22.49 | luke-jr | joss: you don't |
| 05:22.55 | joss | hmm, maema is in it seems |
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| 05:23.11 | joss | like-jr: donËt what? |
| 05:23.22 | luke-jr | joss: N800 will never have OpenGL, other than software rendering |
| 05:23.25 | aseigo | fde: shall i repeat everything i just said for you? :) |
| 05:23.26 | g1lt | what changed between kde 3.5 and 4.x that broke tablet compatibility? |
| 05:23.34 | aseigo | well, i've found the source of that particular problem in qt ... hopefully we'll have a fix for it soon |
| 05:23.37 | aseigo | laurent and i cleaned up a variety of slower leaks this week as well |
| 05:23.38 | luke-jr | g1lt: uh, 3.5 never had such compat afaik |
| 05:23.45 | g1lt | input detection is pretty much hit n miss now |
| 05:23.48 | g1lt | used to be perfect |
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| 05:23.59 | fde | aseigo: haha... no, I'm just saying, its using much more than 10mb here... I guess yours has the leak fixes though? :P |
| 05:24.00 | aseigo | qt4 perhaps |
| 05:24.06 | g1lt | is it a single click? double click? drag n drop? kde no longer knows |
| 05:24.08 | aseigo | fde: yes |
| 05:24.12 | joss | luke-jr, i am talking about desktop pc and mable:), can't i somehow change the arthur library or it's painting backend? |
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| 05:25.02 | fde | aseigo: should probably release 4.2.3 when you get them all under control, or will it be time for 4.3 by then? :P |
| 05:25.08 | aseigo | fde: i'm not able to magically make them appear on your machine |
| 05:25.18 | joss | luke-jr, fingers are bit freezed this time allready, should go and eat something:), dunno zrusin has some interesting benches http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2006/10/benchmarks.html |
| 05:25.31 | fde | aseigo: damn you, I thought you were a magician :( |
| 05:25.35 | aseigo | most of the leak fixes made were backported to 4.2 |
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| 05:25.49 | joss | luke-jr, so opengl should be there for qt and hw accel, wonder if arthur could profit from it? |
| 05:26.37 | fde | joss: of course it could :/ |
| 05:26.57 | g1lt | so y'all have no idea why tablet support is broken in kde4. possibly qt4 is a pretty broad explanation. |
| 05:27.02 | joss | fde: but it does not at the moment , you are trying to say :P |
| 05:27.12 | fde | OpenGL will never be the default backend though, because it doesn't cover enough potential users |
| 05:27.13 | luke-jr | at start plasma 21.4% memory |
| 05:27.48 | joss | fde: so which server has it fetchable as non default backend for arthur:)? |
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| 05:28.21 | fde | joss: afaik, qt4 has opengl capabilities, so it should just be a case of changing the setting |
| 05:28.27 | aseigo | there's an experimental opengl arthur backend |
| 05:28.34 | aseigo | emphasis on experimental |
| 05:28.40 | aseigo | there's a lot of work left there to do |
| 05:28.53 | fde | likes experimenting |
| 05:29.04 | joss | fde: honestly i do not like the marble performance sucking, the idea seems very cool, putting all the streets and public transports to a program |
| 05:29.14 | Jucato | (running `kwrite --graphicssystem opengl` earlier was fun on Qt 4.5.1) |
| 05:29.24 | fde | joss: if you think Marble is bad, I don't recommend trying Google Earth |
| 05:29.24 | Jucato | er.. 4.5.0 |
| 05:29.57 | joss | fde, it is cool, marble i mean, but it has to go faster somehow.. |
| 05:30.08 | joss | rendering part |
| 05:30.20 | luke-jr | I think before OpenGL |
| 05:30.26 | luke-jr | someone needs to fix Qt's performance issues |
| 05:30.30 | luke-jr | it's horrid slow over network |
| 05:30.47 | luke-jr | presumably the problem exists all the time, just less noticable locally |
| 05:30.47 | fde | luke-jr: they are working on it atm... there are blogs discussing the process about |
| 05:30.56 | luke-jr | oh, good |
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| 05:33.10 | g1lt | no-one has any ideas |
| 05:33.14 | joss | fde: but when you ment performance wise , with those drivers that i have now here, googlearth working with opengl won't to a single glinch, absolutely perfectly smooth on integrated gpu.. |
| 05:33.25 | joss | fde: marble isn't |
| 05:33.28 | g1lt | one post about it on the internet, with no real replies |
| 05:33.38 | g1lt | tablet support is broken in kde4 |
| 05:35.42 | luke-jr | g1lt: note I'm capable of double-tapping |
| 05:35.49 | g1lt | you're using a tablet? |
| 05:35.52 | luke-jr | N810 |
| 05:35.58 | g1lt | wacom? |
| 05:36.01 | luke-jr | although, now that I think about it, I might mean right clicking |
| 05:36.13 | luke-jr | KDE doesn't actually use double-click ever.. |
| 05:36.29 | g1lt | yeah, single click is only like 50% dectected for me |
| 05:36.32 | joss | fde: and it sound's like it should when i listen to you, anyways aseigo luke-jr a closer pointer against that arthur experimental opengl backend please |
| 05:36.47 | g1lt | the rest of the time it either tries to drag the file/folder or draw a selection box |
| 05:36.57 | joss | aseigo: or how to change this via qtconfig |
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| 05:38.11 | joss | fde: cause people being to poor to buy 3d hardware, that's why opengl won't cover enough potential users? |
| 05:38.37 | luke-jr | joss: 3D hardware is still quite unreliable in general |
| 05:39.23 | fde | joss: basically, yes |
| 05:40.37 | aseigo | joss: --graphicssystem opengl |
| 05:41.16 | aseigo | joss: it really has little to do with poor or not... opengl hardware is pretty much everywhere now and has been for some years.. not necessarily gamer quality muscle, but we don't need that |
| 05:41.31 | aseigo | joss: it's a lot more about the quality of x.org drivers |
| 05:42.12 | luke-jr | aseigo: at the cost of an unreliable system |
| 05:42.16 | joss | aseigo: it seems so, currently they have put emphasis on 3d performance it seems then |
| 05:42.42 | aseigo | luke-jr: yes, the current spate of drivers are crap |
| 05:42.59 | aseigo | nvidia's are the closest to great, esp on the opengl side |
| 05:43.05 | aseigo | well, on the opengl side they are really good |
| 05:43.22 | aseigo | they just had some other issues not directly gl related that screwed things for us |
| 05:43.46 | joss | aseigo: ok, that was a qtconfig switch i think, yeah nvidia is nice, 2d isn't the best for them..but i doubt that marble would do such things still |
| 05:43.50 | aseigo | but the rest of the drivers are questionable quality |
| 05:44.22 | aseigo | joss: well, a gl paint engine will only help marble so much, really, because it's doing all the projections in software anyways |
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| 05:46.25 | joss | aseigo: hmm, so what would you suggest that's the easiest appraoch here to bump the performance up a bit? |
| 05:46.35 | joss | nor reprogramming anything |
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| 05:48.37 | aseigo | joss: what GPU chipset? |
| 05:48.48 | joss | knowing that googlerth runs flawlessly, i haven't used kde lately especially 4 version, that is not default for eeepc distros i do not have band |
| 05:48.54 | joss | aseigo: 945gme |
| 05:49.17 | joss | and i use 2.6.30 and got the performance the first time with gem. |
| 05:51.06 | aseigo | ugh |
| 05:51.14 | aseigo | that driver is in a shambles right now |
| 05:51.36 | aseigo | it's being improved, but.. yeah.. little else beyond "wait for it to get less slow" at this point |
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| 05:52.29 | aseigo | even though gem is supposed to help various things, the reality is that in its debut the driver was hardly good |
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| 05:53.43 | aseigo | it was actually a pretty massive regression in performance |
| 05:53.53 | aseigo | in theory this is temporary. so i'm hopeful. |
| 05:54.00 | joss | aseigo: seems so, but i haven't got the point of kde4 critisism either, it looks pretty good, design is nice, default theme and widgets,,so |
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| 05:56.06 | joss | aseigo: currently at least 3d has been fixed, some games run as well, not too bad compared to beginning..my chip improved for the latest release:D |
| 05:56.11 | joss | of kernel |
| 05:56.21 | beer_ | morning |
| 05:57.07 | joss | buying an nvidia asus lappy should save from the headaches i guess though there is only n10 available |
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| 05:58.50 | joss | aseigo: i was hoping to see such things as this marble navigation bar at left side become dockable |
| 05:59.29 | joss | else from that interface is clean and nice |
| 06:02.31 | joss | devilsadvocate, can't i zoom in with a keyboard shortcut? |
| 06:02.57 | devilsadvocate | joss: i just use the touchpad's scroll |
| 06:03.31 | devilsadvocate | havent really used it much, so i dont know what you can do with it |
| 06:03.46 | joss | devilsadvocate, don't have such thing , touchpad and two buttons below it |
| 06:03.52 | joss | ok |
| 06:04.19 | devilsadvocate | joss: usually the right side of the touchpad is different |
| 06:04.30 | joss | i need to look for public transports and such things, that earth lacks |
| 06:04.39 | devilsadvocate | try to slide your finger from top to bottom along the right edge |
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| 06:05.36 | joss | yeah, that won't work, tried that, maybe wrong driver for touchpad |
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| 06:11.42 | luke-jr | joss: nVidia == headaches |
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| 06:12.36 | joss | luke-jr: what you reccommend then:) geode? |
| 06:12.46 | luke-jr | I use ATi so far. |
| 06:12.53 | luke-jr | hope to get Intel next time |
| 06:13.19 | joss | luke-jr: why so, ati has also open source drivers? |
| 06:13.36 | luke-jr | yeah |
| 06:13.41 | devilsadvocate | luke-jr: lol. intel gm965 here, and X is taking 50% of one core. (switching back to old driver made it go to 90%, so , yeah) |
| 06:13.41 | luke-jr | but supposedly Intel's are more mature |
| 06:14.35 | devilsadvocate | all the drivers have gone to the dogs. dont know of a single gfx chipset that has windows level support |
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| 06:15.14 | luke-jr | devilsadvocate: I don't want "windows level support" |
| 06:15.16 | luke-jr | that would be DRM |
| 06:15.49 | devilsadvocate | luke-jr: i want to be able to do everything with the hardware that the windows driver allows me to |
| 06:15.53 | joss | luke-jr: yeah, last time i tried with radeon one 3d game, yeah it did not perform oss one, didn't tweak also, glxgears was good only, but xv was better then fglrx especially for v4l that time |
| 06:15.59 | luke-jr | devilsadvocate: including DRM? |
| 06:16.32 | devilsadvocate | luke-jr: drm is not a hardware thing. drm is something you put over the hardware into the sw stack |
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| 06:16.40 | luke-jr | devilsadvocate: DRM is entirely a hardware thing these days |
| 06:16.50 | luke-jr | devilsadvocate: it's embedded in GPUs and CPUs |
| 06:16.53 | devilsadvocate | i dont think anyone has done to the trouble of putting drm into hardware yet on non-digital channels |
| 06:17.08 | luke-jr | just not activated much yet |
| 06:17.11 | devilsadvocate | tcpa failed to catch on, last i checked |
| 06:17.14 | luke-jr | IIRC, Vista activated some GPU DRM |
| 06:17.42 | devilsadvocate | thats on the digital high throughput channels like hdmi and dvi |
| 06:17.51 | joss | luke-jr: any game was just really slow, that is not the case with intel i guess at the moment |
| 06:18.10 | luke-jr | devilsadvocate: still there |
| 06:18.29 | devilsadvocate | luke-jr: and that kicks in only at resolutions > 720p |
| 06:18.30 | joss | luke-jr: so this --graphicssystem should be option per application i understand, that case marble hasn't got such |
| 06:19.40 | devilsadvocate | luke-jr: and saying that in order to use hardware that i paid for i _need_ to have drm is lame. saying that windows drivers are worse than linux drivers in hardware utilization because of DRM is equally lame |
| 06:20.07 | luke-jr | devilsadvocate: I didn't say that. |
| 06:20.18 | luke-jr | you said you wanted drivers that could do everything the hardware could |
| 06:20.22 | luke-jr | that includes DRM |
| 06:20.49 | joss | hmm kde4-config allows such options, but marble is qt based only |
| 06:21.03 | devilsadvocate | luke-jr: yes, i do. and i also want a way to turn off what i dont want. i may want to turn off 3d, i may want to turn off drm. my rights because i paid for the hardware |
| 06:21.16 | luke-jr | joss: IIRC, it can be compiled with or withotu KDE support |
| 06:21.29 | luke-jr | devilsadvocate: in an ideal world maybe |
| 06:22.18 | luke-jr | devilsadvocate: but we live in a world where your thoughts can be criminal |
| 06:22.19 | luke-jr | or even lack thereof |
| 06:22.28 | joss | luke-jr: yeah i am a sufferer of a bad system now:) that's not gentoo |
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| 06:23.41 | joss | otherwise i would had allraedy done equery uses marble, eh, i should still download one dvd snapshot from internet cafe though:D, ubuntu seems lame little bit |
| 06:25.44 | joss | libkdeui.so.5 => /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.5 (0xb7653000) |
| 06:26.01 | joss | still then painter angine is not switchable it seems |
| 06:26.11 | devilsadvocate | joss: imo ubuntu is, on an avrage, better than "insert distro name here" for general use. sure, every 6 months you have a bit of excitement when half of it stops working on update, but on the whole i'm happy with the stability there is |
| 06:26.37 | devilsadvocate | if not ubuntu, you |
| 06:26.57 | devilsadvocate | you should go for one of the rolling release distros like arch or gentoo *shrudder* |
| 06:27.22 | joss | devilsadvocate, hehee, yeah, excitement |
| 06:27.29 | luke-jr | heh, Gentoo's big downside is breaking once in a while |
| 06:27.35 | luke-jr | you're saying other distros have that too? XD |
| 06:28.14 | devilsadvocate | gentoo's big downside is compiling _everything_ |
| 06:28.37 | joss | devilsadvocate, upside is, it solves cleanly everything |
| 06:28.43 | luke-jr | devilsadvocate: that's not a big downside |
| 06:28.51 | luke-jr | just gotta be a little patient and plan in advance |
| 06:28.59 | devilsadvocate | once we decided to play bzflag at a conference. by the time the gentoo guy got it compiled and installed, everyone else decided to call it a day |
| 06:29.05 | luke-jr | ok, I guess it's a big downside on my N810 |
| 06:29.10 | luke-jr | due to RAM shortage |
| 06:29.28 | luke-jr | devilsadvocate: cuz you didn't help him ;) |
| 06:29.35 | devilsadvocate | luke-jr: like i said, for 'general use', where normal people do normal stuff |
| 06:30.12 | luke-jr | devilsadvocate: normal people can't plan in advance? |
| 06:30.16 | devilsadvocate | luke-jr: help him..? umm.. the guy wrote an alternate package manage iircment system for gentoo |
| 06:30.22 | devilsadvocate | luke-jr: no. |
| 06:30.32 | luke-jr | devilsadvocate: distcc |
| 06:30.37 | joss | luke-jr: yep, other ways are cry about a system you can not handel devilsadvocate: heh your funny |
| 06:30.54 | joss | luke-jr, better to think in advance |
| 06:30.55 | devilsadvocate | luke-jr: over wireless? and my cpu is for me alone. :D |
| 06:31.03 | luke-jr | devilsadvocate: selfish |
| 06:31.16 | luke-jr | and wtf are you doing playing games over wireless? ;) |
| 06:31.19 | luke-jr | that's insane |
| 06:31.35 | devilsadvocate | luke-jr: :D. the tie must pass when a boring talk is going on :P |
| 06:31.38 | devilsadvocate | time* |
| 06:31.54 | luke-jr | devilsadvocate: surely someone has a router in their pocket? |
| 06:32.25 | devilsadvocate | luke-jr: too painful setting it up. 54mbps access point 10 feet away is good enough |
| 06:32.37 | luke-jr | ;) |
| 06:32.47 | luke-jr | a hub, then |
| 06:32.52 | luke-jr | no need for external power |
| 06:33.06 | luke-jr | gah |
| 06:33.07 | luke-jr | it's late |
| 06:33.09 | luke-jr | night |
| 06:33.25 | devilsadvocate | luke-jr: see.. its not always about the 'right' way to do things. its generally about the simplest way to do things |
| 06:33.29 | devilsadvocate | night |
| 06:33.45 | devilsadvocate | (from a user's perspective) |
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| 06:39.45 | joss | Arthur, the painting subsystem of Qt 4, is optimised, including accelerations using OpenGL. It also included a highly improved and extended Qt3Support library and an enhanced Qt Designer with an action editor. Qt 4.1 also includes a new painting backend for Arthur |
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| 07:03.51 | Prabz | Hi I recently upgraded to jaunty I'm not able to hibernate using the kde "leave menu" |
| 07:04.09 | maazu | kernel version? |
| 07:04.23 | Prabz | 2.6.28.11 |
| 07:05.26 | maazu | hrm... kernel version 2.6.27.21 |
| 07:05.42 | karthikp | The implementation of the hibernate and suspend often depends on the distro. |
| 07:05.58 | Prabz | I installed uswsusp, and now am able to hibernate from the command line using the command sudo s2disk |
| 07:06.02 | maazu | can switch to tty2 and put machine on hibernation |
| 07:06.19 | karthikp | It's like KDE has the front ends to the system, the distro often implements a favorite back end. |
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| 07:06.23 | Prabz | how to bind it to the hibernate menu item on the leave menu |
| 07:07.48 | maazu | ? |
| 07:07.57 | karthikp | #kubuntu might be a better place to ask. |
| 07:08.10 | Prabz | ok thanks karthikp |
| 07:08.56 | karthikp | You're welcome :) |
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| 07:51.32 | yao_ziyuan | who is responsible for drawing menu shadow? |
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| 07:51.40 | yao_ziyuan | the kde widget style or |
| 07:51.42 | yao_ziyuan | kwin |
| 07:51.49 | yao_ziyuan | or window effects? |
| 07:52.22 | Guest14574 | how is the window ordering called, which places all new opened windows the way which tries to use the free space of the screen in best way? |
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| 07:53.03 | Zarin | yao_ziyuan, in KDE 4 it's KWin |
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| 07:54.39 | Guest14574 | Can I replace the windows vista shell with the kde4 shell? |
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| 07:55.18 | yao_ziyuan | Zarin: so a kde4 widget style can't decide whether menus should have shadows? |
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| 07:56.33 | Zarin | yao_ziyuan, correct |
| 07:57.14 | yao_ziyuan | Zarin: the problem is, sometimes i right click dolphin or systemsettings' window title, and the menu doesn't have shadow |
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| 07:57.26 | yao_ziyuan | actually it does, but the shadow is below the main window |
| 07:57.45 | Zarin | That is a bug that's caused by shadow caching and is something we know about :) |
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| 07:58.00 | yao_ziyuan | so, sometimes, dolphin and systemsettings suddenly acquire "above shadow" z order |
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| 07:58.42 | hee | hello |
| 07:59.19 | aseigo | sips a beer and watches some youtube |
| 07:59.36 | Zarin | aseigo, watching tubes are fun |
| 08:00.02 | aseigo | yes, nice way to end a day of debugging and polishing :) |
| 08:00.14 | aseigo | Zarin: how're things in .au? |
| 08:00.23 | Zarin | Boring |
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| 08:00.46 | aseigo | puts a wallabee in Zarin's shorts |
| 08:00.59 | Zarin | Been spending the entire day watching old Extreme Engineering episodes |
| 08:01.12 | aseigo | good series |
| 08:01.36 | Zarin | Never heard of it before yesterday :) |
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| 08:23.54 | dbglt | how usable is nepomuk in kde 4.2.2? |
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| 08:41.00 | fujimitsu | dumps amarok; installs vlc |
| 08:41.35 | thiago | they don't do the same thing |
| 08:41.49 | fujimitsu | like, playing music? |
| 08:41.53 | fujimitsu | i think they do |
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| 08:42.40 | fujimitsu | and its working out quite nicely |
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| 08:44.40 | fujimitsu | for instance, konqueror and vlc for playing streamed music, they are getting alone very well |
| 08:44.52 | fujimitsu | s/alone/along |
| 08:46.45 | fujimitsu | with way smaller footprint too |
| 08:47.01 | fujimitsu | checks top again |
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| 08:51.12 | yao_ziyuan | i found a bug but i don't know if i should file it under kde or vbox: enable a vbox virtual machine's "3D Acceleration" and start the vm (guest os: win xp), and then you will find dolphin and systemsettings' window title menus lose shadow. |
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| 08:57.08 | yao_ziyuan | meows for attention |
| 08:59.11 | thiago | no clue |
| 08:59.21 | Guest15089 | :fujimitzu amarok is another thing. even xmms works well for streaming with a smaller footprint, but they are different things |
| 09:00.19 | thiago | fujimitsu: do you manage your music collection with vlc? |
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| 09:12.30 | JukeBoxHero | shit! amarok is such a mess |
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| 09:13.01 | apparmor | ? |
| 09:13.05 | Guest15089 | in wath sense? |
| 09:13.17 | JukeBoxHero | you add/remove something from/to the playlist/library it all messes up |
| 09:13.40 | JukeBoxHero | cover art goes for all the wrong albums, artist names goes all wrong for the sings .. . |
| 09:13.41 | JukeBoxHero | :( |
| 09:13.49 | Guest15089 | it works for me |
| 09:14.04 | JukeBoxHero | it wasnt like this before |
| 09:14.11 | Guest15089 | what vrsion do you use? |
| 09:14.20 | JukeBoxHero | Qt 4.5 sux |
| 09:14.42 | apparmor | == |
| 09:14.45 | JukeBoxHero | amarok2Version 2.0.2 |
| 09:14.55 | apparmor | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.06 | apparmor | JukeBoxHero: do you know how to ? |
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| 09:15.42 | Guest15089 | do you use gnome? |
| 09:15.48 | apparmor | KDE 4.1 |
| 09:16.03 | apparmor | that widget only in KDE, right ? |
| 09:16.56 | apparmor | KDE do want to say good bye to the "Windows" Style. lol |
| 09:17.26 | Guest15089 | click with the richght mouse button on desktop an select desktop settings |
| 09:17.41 | apparmor | and then ? |
| 09:17.53 | Guest15089 | change the activity |
| 09:18.12 | Guest15089 | from desktop to folderview |
| 09:18.17 | apparmor | Folder view ? |
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| 09:18.37 | Guest15089 | yes |
| 09:18.48 | apparmor | not work |
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| 09:19.58 | apparmor | and can not right click anymore. no menu comes out |
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| 09:21.17 | Guest15089 | now click again |
| 09:21.36 | Guest15089 | rirht mouse on desktop |
| 09:21.48 | Guest15089 | folder view settings |
| 09:22.54 | UUncia | Is anyone aware that KDE doesn't restore the previously set display resolution until "Display" is clicked on in "System settings"? |
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| 09:23.10 | Guest15089 | you can select the folder you want |
| 09:23.15 | Guest15089 | done? |
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| 09:24.12 | Guest15089 | done? |
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| 09:24.41 | Guest15089 | :apparmor problems? |
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| 09:26.00 | JukeBoxHero | thats it. amarok has hit a new low., or rather kde. |
| 09:26.48 | Guest16487 | hi all, I have some problem. sometimes the whole desktop just freez. it is not the OS, because I could shutdown by just pushing the power button once. I am using Fedora 10 x86_64 KDE 4.x |
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| 09:27.05 | dbglt | I have to say, I'm utterly impressed by these releases of kde. It had potential back in the 4.0 days, and now it has really been realised |
| 09:27.17 | dbglt | with room to go of course, but it works well :) |
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| 09:28.18 | JukeBoxHero | Guest16487: #fedora-kde |
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| 09:30.35 | Guest16487 | thanks |
| 09:31.11 | Guest15089 | is apparmor dead? :) |
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| 09:33.40 | glen | what was the taskbar proggname on kde4 (the kicker?) |
| 09:33.42 | apparmor | hr |
| 09:33.59 | glen | plasma? |
| 09:34.13 | Guest15089 | you did? |
| 09:34.41 | apparmor | Guest15089: the menu did not come out, when I right clicked the desktop |
| 09:34.42 | glen | i mean my taskbar is gone and i want it back |
| 09:35.28 | apparmor | any other way to set ? |
| 09:36.03 | Guest15089 | first time it come out? |
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| 09:36.31 | apparmor | the first time it come out, I just choose the folderview |
| 09:36.35 | apparmor | and click ok |
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| 09:45.52 | ghabit | Hello. Where I can get additional widget styles? |
| 09:46.02 | ghabit | And how to install them? |
| 09:47.04 | apparmor | in ur "Add Widgets" |
| 09:47.22 | apparmor | thr is "Install New Widgets" thr |
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| 09:57.02 | ghabit | Is it in systemsettings? |
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| 09:58.05 | Jucato | ghabit: right-click on the desktop -> Add Widgets, at the bottom there's a button "Install New Widgets" |
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| 10:00.05 | ghabit | When I am installing it and close list of new plasmoids window it returns an error - error installing package «/tmp/kde-ghabit///96067-devicenotifier_automount.0.3.tar.gz»! |
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| 10:01.15 | visi | Hi |
| 10:01.17 | visi | how to manualy diable compiz? |
| 10:01.49 | visi | becouse now i have by settings totaly brojen :( :( |
| 10:02.52 | visi | no window decoration + no focus to any kde ar qt app, no matter where I click text appears only in firefox URL field |
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| 10:03.56 | visi | even when I open kicker text apears in firefox that definately does not have focus :( |
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| 10:06.42 | visi | any ideas? |
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| 10:07.26 | dbglt | odd. the volume in my dragonplayer is fairly low. Even when everything is boosted to max. Any ideas? |
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| 10:26.40 | cdyson37 | hello all! quick question: can anyone remember how to get spellcheck-as-you-type (i.e. wriggly red underlines) working in kile? |
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| 10:28.51 | _Rocket | hi |
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| 10:29.29 | _Rocket | i have installed kde4 in debian |
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| 10:30.16 | _Rocket | and in kdm and when loading KDE, touchpad works |
| 10:30.56 | _Rocket | but a few seconds after desktop shows, it freezes |
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| 10:31.10 | _Rocket | if i connect mouse, mouse works properly |
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| 10:32.00 | _Rocket | in gnome there is no problem |
| 10:32.07 | _Rocket | what should i do? |
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| 10:41.17 | robert_ | superkaramba fails compiling with a bunch of "header not found" errors for KDE 3.5.9 |
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| 10:41.53 | cdyson37 | robert_ have you installed all the -dev packages? |
| 10:42.09 | robert_ | I use gentoo, so they should be there by default |
| 10:42.22 | cdyson37 | aaaaah yes indeed |
| 10:42.31 | robert_ | :P |
| 10:42.42 | cdyson37 | locate aheaderthatsmissing.h show it up? |
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| 10:43.30 | robert_ | its compiling.. khexedit at the moment |
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| 10:44.58 | cdyson37 | hmm don't know enough about kde or gentoo (not used in years) to help I'm afraid. I'm only here to ask a question about kile! |
| 10:45.23 | thiago | robert_: what is the *first* error? |
| 10:45.27 | robert_ | s'okay heh |
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| 10:45.40 | robert_ | thiago, I'll tell you when it happens again :P |
| 10:45.47 | thiago | ok |
| 10:45.57 | robert_ | but in the meantime, I need some breakfast |
| 10:45.58 | robert_ | heh |
| 10:46.06 | thiago | goes to make lunch then |
| 10:46.10 | robert_ | it's 6:45am :P |
| 10:46.13 | robert_ | Sun Apr 26 06:45:52 EDT 2009 |
| 10:46.20 | cdyson37 | \me wants lunch |
| 10:46.28 | cdyson37 | wants lunch even |
| 10:46.32 | thiago | Sun Apr 26 12:46:28 CEST 2009 |
| 10:46.41 | cdyson37 | has been using too much latex and got his slashes confused... |
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| 10:47.12 | Half-Left | thiago: Did you read Aaron's blog about plasma's memory? |
| 10:47.49 | thiago | yep |
| 10:47.56 | thiago | and the update that alexis is looking into it |
| 10:48.10 | Half-Left | We have a similar issue with kdegames and pixmaps |
| 10:48.48 | thiago | yep |
| 10:48.51 | thiago | broken pixmap cache |
| 10:48.57 | thiago | bug alexis |
| 10:49.02 | Half-Left | memory usage very high wheh I used some pixmaps in the card deck |
| 10:49.15 | Half-Left | ahhh |
| 10:49.21 | Half-Left | That explains it then |
| 10:50.04 | Half-Left | thiago: I redesigned the card deck for 4.3 because of it, thats not a bad thing because they've come out much better :p |
| 10:50.21 | thiago | :-) |
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| 11:00.01 | elmargol | Half-Left: screenshot? |
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| 11:04.32 | UUncia | Is anyone aware that KDE doesn't restore the correct resolution upon startup? |
| 11:05.25 | joss | aseigo: that was with one "-" :) -graphicssystem made a crash though |
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| 11:05.43 | joss | if used with opengl backend, seemed to init something, but.. |
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| 11:06.03 | joss | UUncia: make it to restore the stuff then:) |
| 11:06.21 | UUncia | make it how? |
| 11:06.25 | UUncia | I have to click "Display" all the time |
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| 11:06.29 | UUncia | and then it's restored. |
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| 11:06.34 | UUncia | Maybe I should file a bug report. |
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| 11:07.33 | joss | UUncia: well i do not have kde4 here, at least all of it, when i used they had krandr and all the kcmd...stuff, that was configurable via command line |
| 11:08.16 | joss | either dcop, that's now obsolede or something find the command to issue it on startup if that's really not working |
| 11:08.23 | UUncia | can't find either krandr or kcmd. |
| 11:08.52 | UUncia | maybe I should ask on #kde-devel. |
| 11:08.55 | joss | UUncia: it was something else, a global command to call control center modules.. |
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| 11:09.03 | joss | and kongueror etc. |
| 11:09.22 | pgega | hello |
| 11:09.26 | pgega | when i disable desktop effects, kde changes window manager from kwin to xmonad (my secondary desktop).. any idea why ? :D |
| 11:09.42 | pgega | (kde 4.2.2) |
| 11:09.49 | joss | UUncia: filter them with tab kc....kc was the beginning |
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| 11:11.20 | joss | UUncia: can't find it then issue xrandr at startup, monitor should be autodetected these days i guess, before you needed all the modes availabe in xorg.conf this to work |
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| 11:11.23 | allo | hi |
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| 11:11.37 | allo | how can i install kde for windows with german translation? |
| 11:11.51 | Half-Left | elmargol: of what? |
| 11:12.01 | joss | UUncia: ~.kde/,Autostart is the file that get's called upon startup |
| 11:12.59 | UUncia | it's not a file |
| 11:13.18 | UUncia | it's a directory. |
| 11:13.23 | joss | UUncia: right , its a dir |
| 11:13.26 | UUncia | joss - it does get autodetected.. but the wrong resolution. |
| 11:13.56 | joss | aah UUncia: you are on a laptop i guess with bios bug. |
| 11:14.28 | UUncia | I'm on a laptop inside VMware ) |
| 11:14.29 | UUncia | :) |
| 11:14.30 | joss | and not using kms or something similar, then you need to force this mode to be programmed to bios table of modes |
| 11:14.41 | joss | uuh,, |
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| 11:15.15 | joss | dunno..anyways should switch to #debian now, or search new release of marble |
| 11:15.39 | joss | UUncia: what kernel are you using for vmware host, or is the host ms windows? |
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| 11:16.02 | UUncia | ? |
| 11:16.03 | joss | wonder if vmware has compilable host modules for 2.6.30 |
| 11:16.09 | UUncia | I'm on Fedora, not debian. |
| 11:16.27 | joss | hmm, i asked what kernel, not distro |
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| 11:17.12 | joss | aah, it was compilable with little changes to source with 2.6.29 vmware and kqemu both |
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| 11:17.47 | robert_ | thiago, I've got your errors for you :P |
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| 11:18.07 | joss | UUncia: you have marble available there? |
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| 11:18.43 | robert_ | thiago, http://rafb.net/p/qX4FOc90.html |
| 11:19.04 | thiago | robert_: python problems |
| 11:19.14 | robert_ | so I noticed. |
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| 11:19.23 | robert_ | but the headers should be there |
| 11:19.24 | thiago | where's the patchlevel.h file? |
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| 11:20.33 | robert_ | in /usr/include/python2.4/patchlevel.h and /usr/include/python2.5/patchlevel.h |
| 11:20.55 | thiago | missing -I then |
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| 11:21.18 | thiago | I have no clue how the kdeutils 3.5.9 finds python |
| 11:21.21 | thiago | nor do I care |
| 11:21.30 | thiago | if you try kdeutils 4.2 or 4.3, I'll help you |
| 11:21.52 | UUncia | joss - my host is OS X. |
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| 11:22.03 | joss | UUncia, heh right.. |
| 11:22.11 | thiago | to be clear: KDE 3's buildsystem is a mess and I won't touch it |
| 11:22.19 | thiago | I was hoping the problem would be simpler |
| 11:22.46 | thiago | workaround: set CFLAGS to include -I/usr/include/python2.5 |
| 11:22.47 | joss | thiago: hey, tried -graphicssystem opengl with some apps, they were right it gives some rendering errors here? |
| 11:22.56 | thiago | joss: yes, it's right |
| 11:23.51 | joss | thiago: on newer releases of qt also, should this painter be faster with marble theoretically, that is take advandtage of dri infrastructure for instance? |
| 11:24.09 | Half-Left | elmargol: http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5796/kpatiencetrunk.png |
| 11:24.28 | thiago | joss: it should be faster if you have very good drivers and card |
| 11:24.32 | thiago | joss: otherwise, it'll be slower |
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| 11:25.26 | joss | thiago: i have intel here 945gm, they became usable very lately here once again with gem.. |
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| 11:26.14 | joss | thiago: what is the default painter? i red something about rester and opengl, but can not remember what was actually default |
| 11:26.49 | thiago | "native" |
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| 11:28.00 | joss | ah, ok ..i can see that qt 4.6 is there allready, perhaps some improvements to opengl system |
| 11:28.10 | thiago | nothing yet |
| 11:28.41 | thiago | opengl is experimental. Don't use it in production. |
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| 11:30.24 | joss | thiago: ok, i need something extra to accelerate marble better, so i thought opengl would work better here, but it's buggy on kdebudialog even |
| 11:30.59 | joss | thiago:opengl works nicely here, but exa 2dimensional rendering seems bit slow |
| 11:31.29 | thiago | then use OpenGL |
| 11:31.37 | thiago | don't rely on the paint engine do it for you |
| 11:32.14 | joss | thiago: pardon, can't really parse that sentence:), rephrase? |
| 11:32.44 | thiago | yes: |
| 11:32.52 | thiago | if you want to use OpenGL for acceleration, use it |
| 11:32.52 | joss | do it myself? |
| 11:33.01 | thiago | don't change the graphics system, just use OpenGL directly |
| 11:33.26 | joss | thiago: ah you mean at source level, i am not marble dev honestly |
| 11:34.01 | joss | thiago: though i sent a little mail to author about that, what's his thoughts |
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| 11:36.15 | joss | thiago: i thought myself that arthur has such API that backend could be switched somehow easily..Mr. matthias etthric kinda says so |
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| 11:44.45 | joss | thiago: you have marble installed there? |
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| 11:46.31 | Firefishe | I'm using kubuntu 8.10, kde 4.2.2 . My terminal sessions sometime become unfocused (and I can't get them back), as well as the typing being screwed up. |
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| 11:50.45 | joss | Native: 9 Fps; Raster: 30 Fps; OpenGL: 215 Fps. |
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| 11:55.57 | c0wbol | bonjour. J'ai des documents scannés (papier administratif en grosse resolution) que je converti en pdf. Maintenant lorsque je veux imprimer ce PDF, (depuis kpdf) il m'imprime seulement une partie de la page (resolution trop grosse ?) comment faire pour qu'a l'impression, la page pdf tienne sur une page A4 quelquesoit sa resolution ? |
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| 11:57.19 | c0wbol | sorry, it's english language here |
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| 11:57.38 | ceu | how can I set the theme used by digikam under gnome? |
| 11:58.51 | c0wbol | i've many scanned documents converted to pdf. Now when i wanna print this pdf gile (from pdf), it prints only one part of the document. How to adjust my pdf on my A4 format letter page ? |
| 11:59.00 | c0wbol | file* |
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| 12:05.11 | Half-Left | ceu: You mean it's Qt theme? |
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| 12:06.38 | ceu | Half-Left: I suppose |
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| 12:07.24 | ceu | Half-Left: I would like to make digikam to look more "integrated" with my gnome desktop |
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| 12:07.39 | Half-Left | KDE4 version? |
| 12:07.45 | ceu | yes |
| 12:07.50 | ceu | ubuntu 9.04 |
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| 12:08.20 | Half-Left | If you have Qt4.2 it has a theme setting for native gtk + in system settings |
| 12:08.25 | Half-Left | 4.5* |
| 12:09.26 | Half-Left | or just use gtk-kde4 |
| 12:09.27 | marko_d | kdeinit4 is using 100% of my CPU |
| 12:09.33 | ceu | how can I reach that "system settings"? |
| 12:10.00 | Half-Left | install it |
| 12:10.01 | marko_d | splitted in 7 processes, by 28% |
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| 12:10.52 | Half-Left | ceu: Actually you can use qtconfig |
| 12:12.08 | linux__ | hi |
| 12:13.31 | linux__ | how intall bluetooth in kde |
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| 12:13.42 | ceu | Half-Left: thanks, it's working |
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| 12:16.59 | cumulus007 | Ã'm looking for a KDE gnutella client |
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| 12:19.18 | joss | Happy Hacking! |
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| 12:19.37 | silver_hook | Hullo. Is it normal for kded in KDE 4.2.2 to consume 60-95% of all CPU%? |
| 12:20.09 | Half-Left | Obviously not |
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| 12:22.06 | joss | thiago: still depends much how application is written yes? they categorize the rendering in qt to two ways: cached and non-cached , you happen to know, which one marble is programmed? |
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| 12:22.13 | silver_hook | Half-Left: Any ideas what could be the cause? I'm using the ebuilds from the official Gentoo Portage tree. |
| 12:22.42 | Half-Left | Everytime you login? |
| 12:23.11 | krake | hi all! user question: how do I get desktop 5 and 6 associated with shortcuts again? CTRL+n 1 to 4 works as usual, but 5 and 6 don't |
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| 12:27.44 | DrSlony | Help, I dragged an executable file and a .sh file to the desktop in KDE4, those icons both launch the files properly but the icons are ugly, how can I change them? |
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| 12:29.07 | Half-Left | Right click>Icon settings |
| 12:29.36 | Bou2 | then click on the icon itself and choose another one |
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| 12:32.11 | DrSlony | Half-Left Bou: I did that, i cant change the icon there, only things like file types |
| 12:32.29 | Bou | DrSlony: which distrib? |
| 12:32.40 | DrSlony | gentoo, but its not a distro error |
| 12:32.43 | Bou | DrSlony: it was not working for me neither under Kubuntu Intrepid |
| 12:32.54 | DrSlony | if I drag an icon from the K menu then i can change it |
| 12:32.56 | Bou | DrSlony: and now, working under kubuntu Jaunty |
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| 12:33.02 | DrSlony | but when i drag executable files from dolphin then i cant |
| 12:33.06 | Bou | oh |
| 12:33.12 | Bou | ok i tested from K menu |
| 12:33.16 | Bou | let me try from dolphin |
| 12:33.20 | DrSlony | can you test an executable gfrom dolphin? |
| 12:33.22 | DrSlony | k, thx :) |
| 12:33.23 | DrSlony | brb |
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| 12:35.51 | Bou | hum actualy when adding from K menu it creates a desktop configuration file, whereas from dolphin it remains a script shell, and I can't change icon :/ |
| 12:36.00 | DrSlony | yeah |
| 12:36.18 | DrSlony | i dont want to create a kmenu file just to be able to set an icon :/ |
| 12:36.23 | DrSlony | *.desktop file |
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| 12:39.43 | silver_hook | Half-Left: I'll try to reproduce it in Awesome by just running Kontact and Amarok, to see if it's one of those buggers... |
| 12:39.59 | silver_hook | ...just after kdelibs recompile for me ;) |
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| 12:40.19 | Half-Left | :p |
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| 12:48.23 | Bou | DrSlony: i think that files inherit the icon of their file type |
| 12:48.46 | Bou | DrSlony: i guess you will only be able to change the icon by creating a shortcut to your executable file (=a desktop file) |
| 12:49.02 | DrSlony | yeah i guess so too, and that sucks :/ |
| 12:49.03 | Bou | I wonder how you can create easily such desktop shortcut from dolphin :S |
| 12:49.21 | DrSlony | i could create it quite easily in the kmenu and then drag from the kmenu to the desktop |
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| 12:49.36 | DrSlony | but i really dont need a .desktop file nor an entry in the kmenu :P |
| 12:50.28 | DrSlony | perhaps kde4.3? :] |
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| 13:08.27 | gucampos | ? |
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| 13:08.32 | Half-Left | pinotree: ^ |
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| 13:08.34 | silver_hook | spam! |
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| 13:08.46 | gucampos | your mother forgot to give you milk today? |
| 13:08.55 | jazka | lol |
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| 13:09.08 | gucampos | weirdo =p |
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| 13:10.10 | gucampos | anybody knows anything about the effort to port Firefox to Qt 4? Or any good browser for Qt (appart from Konqueror and Opera, of course)? |
| 13:10.28 | gucampos | specially any webkit one, if possible =D |
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| 13:12.19 | Half-Left | gucampos: Arora |
| 13:13.04 | gucampos | Half-Left I've read about it in some googling, is it usable? |
| 13:13.16 | Half-Left | Yep |
| 13:13.35 | Half-Left | Supports flash now as well, very fast one start up |
| 13:13.42 | gucampos | uhh and it's in my repositories, installing right now =D |
| 13:13.45 | Half-Left | Assuming you have Qt4.5 |
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| 13:14.17 | gucampos | yeah qt 4.5.0.5 here |
| 13:14.29 | pumphaus | rekonq is also based on webkit and has kde4 integration |
| 13:14.31 | tuxick | why don't notifications dialogs tell me where to find the default sounds collection? |
| 13:14.43 | tuxick | i have no idea where they're hidden |
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| 13:15.03 | tuxick | ~ is the last place to look |
| 13:15.29 | gucampos | pumphaus I'll check it out too! |
| 13:16.02 | tphilosopher | Hey guys. I'm hoping to contribute to KDE but only know Python. Are there any projects I can help out with? |
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| 13:19.19 | tphilosopher | No ideas? |
| 13:19.23 | Half-Left | tuxick: It's not a stable release like Arora though, I'd only recommend it for testing |
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| 13:19.56 | tphilosopher | Okay, thanks anyway guys. |
| 13:20.19 | aalpert | tphilosopher: You can write plasmoids using only python, see http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/Python/GettingStarted |
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| 13:22.07 | tphilosopher | aalpert: Yeah, thanks. I was actually hoping to join a project as opposed to creating my own. |
| 13:22.24 | silver_hook | Half-Left: Started Konqueror ...still not able to reproduce. |
| 13:22.37 | tphilosopher | aalpert: I'm relatively new to programming so I would like to see and work on some existing code to help me learn good practices and whatnot. |
| 13:22.54 | aalpert | tphilosopher: For all I know (what with not doing any python) there may be existing python plasmoids that need help. |
| 13:23.27 | tphilosopher | aalpert: Righte enough. I'll have a look around and see what I can find. :) Thanks |
| 13:23.33 | tphilosopher | right* |
| 13:27.29 | aalpert | tphilosopher: If you haven't already you should search the svn for .py files. kdeedu has a fair few. |
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| 13:34.01 | silver_hook | Half-Left: Kontact (with KWallet) and still not able to reproduce it. It seems I just had to recompile kdelibs... |
| 13:34.31 | Half-Left | silver_hook: Not sure why |
| 13:35.15 | silver_hook | Half-Left: Me neither, but as long as it works ;) |
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| 13:37.22 | Half-Left | :) |
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| 13:40.55 | pinotree | shit, i cannot even go to have lunch... |
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| 13:42.14 | stefan_ | Qt: 4.4.2 |
| 13:42.16 | stefan_ | KDE: 4.2.2 (KDE 4.2.2) |
| 13:42.17 | stefan_ | kde4-config: 1.0 |
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| 13:45.27 | ebdomino | rou |
| 13:45.55 | vital | is there any place I can see all svn commit-logs for kde? |
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| 13:46.20 | kdepepo | vital, there is the kde-commits mailing list |
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| 13:46.44 | vital | kdepepo: okay, I'll see if I find it :) thanks |
| 13:46.52 | ebdomino | re |
| 13:46.54 | kdepepo | https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-commits |
| 13:47.02 | vital | kdepepo: thanks! |
| 13:48.14 | ld50_ | vital: /j #kde-commits to see them as they happen |
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| 13:48.46 | vital | ld50, wonderful, thats better than mailinglists :) |
| 13:48.55 | thrashold | What does KDE 4.2 use for syncing PIM data? And is there any way to access the PIM data via a Python, for example? |
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| 13:52.00 | ld50_ | vital: don't know if it's working though, i've been there for 3 minutes and nothing happened :) |
| 13:52.52 | vital | ld50_: I havn't seen much movement on any of the other kde* channels either, so .. I'll just wait for a while :) |
| 13:53.44 | ld50_ | vital: there's also #commits, for al freenode |
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| 13:57.42 | vital | ld50, interesting way of getting to know more projects I guess.. I'll join.. |
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| 14:21.33 | sladi | Hi! I have Konsole 2.2.2 and Kradio4RC1 installed. My Kcontrol is for KDE3. Is there a way to configure the theme Konsole And Kradio use? Also nothing happens when I click a link in Konsole. Can I specifiy a browser somehow? |
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| 14:22.36 | BillyBop | Hi, I cannot put my kde4.2.2 into french, anyone could help? |
| 14:24.20 | BillyBop | I installed kde-l10n, I added french langage into system settings, but only some parts of the gui is translated (basically only the menu and system settings), the others apps remains in english |
| 14:24.36 | BillyBop | of course I restarted kde |
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| 14:26.13 | BillyBop | I don't understand why only a few part of my kde apps are translated |
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| 14:27.48 | zhick | BillyBop: What distribution? |
| 14:27.48 | gucampos | possibly because no one translated the others |
| 14:28.00 | BillyBop | gentoo distrib |
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| 14:28.08 | zhick | I experienced something similiar with gentoo awhile ago |
| 14:28.27 | BillyBop | gucampos: hum, the french translation status is almost 97% |
| 14:28.30 | zhick | ah :) |
| 14:28.47 | zhick | then its probably your locale that's not correctly set |
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| 14:29.00 | zhick | that's what caused it for me |
| 14:29.16 | BillyBop | zhick: do the locales enter in the kde configuration? |
| 14:29.31 | gucampos | BillyBop oh, that surely changes things =D |
| 14:29.31 | BillyBop | strange behaviour? I thinked kde was an independant app |
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| 14:29.56 | zhick | BillyBop: nope. it's described in the gentoo handbook how to set it correctly. |
| 14:30.09 | zhick | ill try and find the doc... |
| 14:30.14 | BillyBop | yep, I'll try to figure this out. thanks |
| 14:31.44 | zhick | BillyBop: if you need anymore help i suggest you use #gentoo-kde. |
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| 14:33.14 | zhick | BillyBop: ah that's it: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/fr/guide-localization.xml |
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| 14:33.40 | sladi | Isn't KDE translation status only the base system without the apps? |
| 14:34.05 | renato__ | existem brasileiros nesse canal? |
| 14:34.39 | HappySmileMan | I think it includes all the core modules in KDE |
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| 14:39.07 | FiNeX | hi! |
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| 14:41.17 | sladi | Is there a way to configure KDE4 apps without Kcontrol? I have Kcontrol for KDE3. |
| 14:42.12 | Ace2017_- | sladi: you can use systemsettings |
| 14:45.41 | sladi | Ace2017_-: Cool thanks! :) |
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| 14:52.03 | p-f | Am I blind or is there no setting for the keypress repeat rate in systemsettings? |
| 14:52.50 | vital | p-f: systemsettings - keyboard & mouse - keyboard :) |
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| 14:53.35 | p-f | vital: no such thing here |
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| 14:53.41 | Ace2017_- | do blind users use kde? or do they have their own interface? i thought they used console based apps or used windows |
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| 14:53.49 | p-f | vital: there's Standard keyboard shortcuts and Global keyboard shortcuts |
| 14:54.00 | vital | p-f: kde4? |
| 14:54.08 | p-f | vital: yes |
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| 14:54.19 | p-f | 4.2.2 to be more precise |
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| 14:55.19 | p-f | I can use kbdrate, but I'm surprised it's not in systemsettings.. |
| 14:55.53 | vital | p-f: odd, for me there are Keyboard, Mouse, Joystick, Standard Keyboard Shortcuts and Global Shortcuts.. and under Keyboard I have Keyboard repeat.. and I think I've had that since kde4.0.. |
| 14:56.03 | p-f | vital: that's interesting |
| 14:56.23 | p-f | vital: I mean, it's not like it stores the entries in the user's configuration, right? |
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| 14:56.34 | vital | p-f: well, sorry, I cant help you much :/ |
| 14:56.44 | vital | p-f: I dont know where it's saved. |
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| 15:00.42 | Acidburn | Does anyone know, how i can create my own shortcuts on KDE? |
| 15:01.36 | p-f | Acidburn: if it's not in the two shortcut entries in systemsettings, no luck - you'll have to use a n external solution |
| 15:01.39 | p-f | as far as I know, anyways |
| 15:01.40 | p-f | I hope I'm wrong |
| 15:01.59 | gucampos | I had trouble with that Acidburn |
| 15:02.14 | gucampos | I was trying using the options inside Keyboard / Mouse in System Settings |
| 15:02.34 | gucampos | so someone here directed me to the 'Input Actions' module that I have never noted before |
| 15:02.41 | gucampos | there I was able to do it =) |
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| 15:13.36 | sibok | hi, is there any way to make dolphin only preview image and video files? if i press preview toolbar icon dolphin previews folders, images and documents. I would liek to only preview images and videos, is t possible? thanks |
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| 15:17.28 | xerox1 | hi, i am having some trouble to place plasmoids with kde4 |
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| 15:18.46 | xerox1 | all plasmoids are "jumping" to the left upper edge |
| 15:19.44 | xerox1 | is that a known bug? is there a work around for this? |
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| 15:33.01 | Rehto- | weird klipper has the amarok's icon in systray |
| 15:33.57 | Rehto- | xerox1: I had that when changing the desktop activity mode ... restarting kwin did the trick |
| 15:34.35 | xerox1 | hm, let's give a try |
| 15:34.45 | Rehto- | I don't know a better workaround |
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| 15:38.59 | nanothief | you could just try restarting plasma |
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| 15:40.13 | xerox1 | sry, Rehto: didn't work |
| 15:40.28 | xerox1 | plasmoids are still "jumping" |
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| 15:41.04 | nanothief | also, if it keeps happening, you could try deleting ~/.kde4/share/apps/plasma, ~/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc and ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc |
| 15:41.30 | nanothief | xerox1: since you might have a corrupt configuration |
| 15:42.13 | xerox1 | hm, don't know: i am testing kde4 since the kubuntu 9.04 alpha: never had this prob before |
| 15:42.25 | xerox1 | now i have upgraded to stable... |
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| 15:43.53 | xerox1 | hm, interesting: there is no .kde4 in home, only .kde |
| 15:44.10 | thiago | that's how it's supposed to be |
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| 15:44.56 | xerox1 | okay, then i will to the deleting there |
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| 15:48.36 | xerox1 | that works, thanks a lot guys |
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| 16:13.53 | sibok | hi, is there any way to make dolphin only preview image and video files? if i press preview toolbar icon dolphin previews folders, images and documents. I would liek to only preview images and videos, is t possible? thanks |
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| 16:14.57 | Blackhex | Hello, is there a way how to enable tiling window management in KDE 4? |
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| 16:20.20 | doktor5000 | hello |
| 16:20.55 | doktor5000 | does anyone know where the picture is yet available that is shown here: |
| 16:21.01 | doktor5000 | http://www.koffice.org/krita/pics/konqi_krita.png |
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| 16:21.45 | Blackhex | :-) |
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| 16:22.20 | Jucato | Blackhex: one of the Google Summer of Code projects for KWin is implementing Tiling I think |
| 16:22.45 | Blackhex | Jucato: Great, I can wait, I'm just curious |
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| 16:27.10 | jamwich | hello, i am trying to make my palm synchronize so the contact list i have in kontact will transfer to the palm but its just not happening, says its synchronizing and they communicate ok so i must just have some config settings wrong |
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| 16:27.28 | jamwich | (using kpilot) |
| 16:28.11 | jamwich | can anyone help me please |
| 16:28.37 | Dumble | Hello world ! |
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| 16:42.09 | p-f_ | any reason why kded would be taking up 99% cpu? |
| 16:42.18 | p-f_ | (4.2.2) |
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| 16:45.46 | doleyb | p-f_: that's been observed to happen a lot to people who just get jaunty, but it fixes after a few relogs |
| 16:45.57 | p-f_ | doleyb: by itself? |
| 16:46.24 | p-f_ | doleyb: what about people who don't use the whole kde DE though? I'm only using a few kde applications through ion3 |
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| 16:49.11 | dany_21a_ | hi room... how do i select one file in dolhphin (eg. to copy it)? its strange to use the [+]-sign in front of if, bec. i would have to check, if no other file is selected... and if i click on it, i would open it...? |
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| 16:49.52 | White_Pelican | hold down the ctrl key and click, that selects it |
| 16:50.47 | dany_21a_ | White_Pelican: and if a other file is selected, this also stays selected (same as with the [+]) |
| 16:51.07 | White_Pelican | yes |
| 16:51.24 | dany_21a_ | so i would have to press ESC or click somewhere in empty space... but i dont see thats very usable |
| 16:52.01 | White_Pelican | I know of no other way |
| 16:52.16 | dany_21a_ | prior to kde4 it was possible to click after the name, to selcte only the file - but not open it (i.e. in the same line, but not in the first column) |
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| 16:52.55 | jamwich | which forum is the best for getting help in |
| 16:53.23 | doleyb | dany_21a_: there is a system settings for Mouse on if you want things to open with 1 or 2 clicks |
| 16:53.31 | White_Pelican | help with what? |
| 16:54.04 | Jucato | KDE has only one official forum: http://forum.kde.org |
| 16:54.08 | dany_21a_ | doleyb: no - i like the single click |
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| 16:55.01 | dany_21a_ | just found a bug report for this behaviour https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145358 - but its quite old... i hope it will be fixed someday :/ |
| 16:55.15 | Jucato | dany_21a_: there's no "in between" single and double click (what you're describing). if you want to click on a single file without opening it, hold the ctrl key |
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| 16:55.35 | dany_21a_ | Jucato: yes, ther _was_ a in-between way in kde3.5 :) |
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| 16:55.52 | Jucato | dany_21a_: really? where/how? |
| 16:55.53 | dany_21a_ | (there is still one in digicam, as an example - check the bug link) |
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| 16:56.23 | dany_21a_ | Jucato: not clicking on the name, but in the same collumn (in detailed-view) |
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| 16:56.33 | dany_21a_ | *same row i mean |
| 16:57.12 | Jucato | you didn't mention that earlier. if so , then yes |
| 16:57.17 | annew | Jucato: ctrl-click still works in dolphin |
| 16:57.26 | Jucato | would normally presume a default KDE setup unless explicitly told otherwise |
| 16:57.44 | Jucato | annew: yes it does. dany_21a_ is referring to a different context |
| 16:57.53 | annew | ah - ok |
| 16:58.11 | annew | have to go out now |
| 16:58.25 | Jucato | bye annew! :0 |
| 16:58.27 | Jucato | :) |
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| 17:00.22 | White_Pelican | does anyone know what proposed changes there are going to be in 4.3? |
| 17:00.49 | Jucato | techbase.kde.org Feature Plans |
| 17:00.54 | Jucato | (under Schedules) |
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| 17:01.03 | Jucato | (note that not everyone writes their plans there) |
| 17:01.11 | White_Pelican | true |
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| 17:01.56 | pinotree | ohnoes |
| 17:02.21 | BillyBop | sorry, my daugther of 2,5 years played with the keyboard |
| 17:03.05 | White_Pelican | ty Jucato |
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| 17:03.08 | pinotree | BillyBop: do some scary face so she won't do it again ;) |
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| 17:12.20 | person | I told Amarok to reorganise some files and now Konqueror's find feature and the command 'find' will find files with the name *.ogg - but neither konqueror nor ls will show them in their directories! |
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| 17:15.09 | person | I'm wrong |
| 17:15.35 | person | Turns out that I just got confused and failed at identifying a folder when I saw one because konqueror used actual icons >< |
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| 17:41.11 | florian | Hi do someone knows were are KDE icons? |
| 17:41.47 | LnxSlck_ | usr/share/icons |
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| 17:45.26 | florian | thanks |
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| 18:03.31 | Wolfcastle | hello |
| 18:04.20 | Wolfcastle | How do I configure keyboard shortcuts in kde 4.2.2? |
| 18:04.40 | Wolfcastle | I can't find the predefined settings that were available in kde 3.5 |
| 18:04.55 | Sho_ | Wolfcastle: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse |
| 18:06.05 | Wolfcastle | Sho_: thanx |
| 18:06.27 | Wolfcastle | Sho_: but are the predefined settings gone? you could choose between kde, or windows style before |
| 18:06.58 | Sho_ | Wolfcastle: seems they're gone, yes |
| 18:07.05 | Wolfcastle | :-( |
| 18:07.09 | Wolfcastle | ok thanx anyway |
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| 18:40.35 | TheLorax | what should I use to burn cds with kde 4.2? |
| 18:40.48 | dhiogo | jkl |
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| 19:18.38 | Raylz | what can we expect from kde 4.3? is there a release date available yet? what is the main focus of 4.3? |
| 19:19.17 | looonger | Raylz, end of july |
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| 19:34.24 | philphilphil | Hi.. in some GTK apps (Pidgin, xchat) the font size is 12 or sth like that.. very big how can i chance it to 8? |
| 19:34.36 | philphilphil | Iv changed all the fontsizes in the control center |
| 19:35.08 | thiago | not a KDE issue |
| 19:35.13 | thiago | please ask in a more relevant channel |
| 19:35.57 | philphilphil | ah got to install gtk-qt-engine |
| 19:36.00 | philphilphil | thx |
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| 19:41.53 | mad | Hi, what program can i use to extract multipart rar archives? |
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| 20:20.51 | jmut | is it possible to somehow have dedicated windows that I goto with some shortcut and when press other shortcut or something it goes back to previos window? |
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| 20:26.43 | shepherd | Hmm, whenever I push alt + f2 and type in a program name and push enter, the program doesn't open. Sometimes this happens 3 times in a row until it opens.... any possible solution for this ? |
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| 20:34.44 | thiago | shepherd: upgrade to KDE 4.3 |
| 20:35.03 | shepherd | thiago: Um.. how? ;p |
| 20:35.28 | thiago | manually |
| 20:35.33 | thiago | get the latest from Subversion |
| 20:36.32 | shepherd | Is there a guide to compile it? I've never compiled I used fedora packaging system to install KDE |
| 20:36.51 | shepherd | I guess I'll google.. |
| 20:37.04 | thiago | mind you: 4.3 is rather unstable at this point |
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| 20:38.33 | shepherd | As long as I can get to my desktop, and run eclipse and a webbrowser without crashing I will be content. |
| 20:39.02 | thiago | it won't be without crashing |
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| 20:39.14 | shepherd | Should I just stay with 4.2.2 ? |
| 20:39.28 | thiago | I wouldn't |
| 20:39.36 | thiago | but I have been using the unstable version since 2001 |
| 20:39.41 | shepherd | Oh |
| 20:40.57 | shepherd | thiago: What about this utility: kdesvn-build |
| 20:41.11 | thiago | that's a good one to build from SVN |
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| 20:42.15 | shepherd | thiago: Ok, thanks. |
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| 20:48.43 | Szadek | is there any tool to make my remote control ( hp rc6 ) work properly on kde 4.2.2 ??? |
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| 20:49.25 | thiago | IR remote? |
| 20:49.33 | Szadek | thiago : yes |
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| 20:49.42 | thiago | kdelirc is being ported |
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| 20:50.09 | Onyx | I just switched over to KDE, and accidentally deleted the widget that shows my desktop icons. How do I get it back? |
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| 20:50.26 | Szadek | thiago : tks , im gonna google it for more info about it =) . |
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| 20:50.37 | hotdog | I heard there was like a superkaramba pet addon.. anyone know where I can get it? |
| 20:50.40 | Tenser234 | Hate to be the guy that pops in and asks a question, but Ive spent the last several hours reading pulse audio, bluez, as well as other resources on pairing a bluetooth headset with Linux. |
| 20:51.29 | Tenser234 | How does one get kdebluetooth4 to allow audio devices to pair? |
| 20:51.53 | Tenser234 | Thusfar ive tried hci* commands, ive created the rfcomm in /etc/bluetooth. Ive played with dbus. |
| 20:52.07 | Tenser234 | Ive worked with pulse audio and worked with bluetooth discovery and just adding the bluetooth module. |
| 20:52.20 | Tenser234 | Im stuck and quite frusterated. |
| 20:52.44 | Tenser234 | also trying to get it to work with just ~/.asoundrc doesnt work either. |
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| 21:09.17 | Arno[Slack] | tell me that there is a Kopete plugin for IRC... please tell me I'm not stuck with this ugly XChat until the next Konversation release.... |
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| 21:09.43 | thiago | there isn't |
| 21:09.43 | Sho_ | Arno[Slack]: you could get the Konvi KDE 4 port from SVN |
| 21:09.52 | thiago | no one works on the IRC plugin for Kopete |
| 21:10.04 | thiago | and you aren't forced to abandon your old Konversation |
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| 21:10.37 | Dhraakellian | is a fan of konversation on top of irssi proxy |
| 21:10.49 | Dhraakellian | I should take a look at Quassel at some point |
| 21:11.03 | Arno[Slack] | so far, I am thiago, I can't compile the KDE3 version on my Slackware current |
| 21:11.51 | luke-jr | any idea how to tell KDE to not fsck with my Xmodmap? |
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| 21:12.48 | Psi-Jack | Is it possible to setup KDE 4.2's virtual desktops to pan around as you're dragging a window so you can get to other desktops with it easily? |
| 21:13.13 | Dhraakellian | heh. I had to go and tell it to do xmodmap ~/.xModmap |
| 21:13.15 | Dhraakellian | erm... |
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| 21:13.20 | Dhraakellian | with the correct capitalization |
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| 21:14.05 | Dhraakellian | since Suse wasn't disabling capslock when I mapped capslock to compose |
| 21:14.35 | Arno[Slack] | Sho_, I'm on it, but the SVN returns a weird error |
| 21:14.56 | Arno[Slack] | it said : svn: No such revision 959707 |
| 21:15.07 | thiago | Psi-Jack: as in dragging a window past the right end of desktop 1 makes it appear on desktop 2? |
| 21:15.21 | Sho_ | Arno[Slack]: hm dunno ... maybe an odd problem with anonsvn.kde.org, it has been flakey lately |
| 21:15.26 | Psi-Jack | thiago: Precisely, yes. |
| 21:15.27 | Sho_ | Arno[Slack]: retry a bit later perhaps |
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| 21:15.44 | Arno[Slack] | I switch on #konversation for this issue |
| 21:15.50 | sibok | hi, is there any way to make dolphin only preview image and video files? if i press preview toolbar icon dolphin previews folders, images and documents. I would liek to only preview images and videos, is t possible? thanks |
| 21:16.23 | thiago | Psi-Jack: no |
| 21:16.57 | Psi-Jack | thiago: Drats, not possible? Blah.. Why not? |
| 21:17.13 | thiago | Psi-Jack: because it's not implemented |
| 21:17.40 | Psi-Jack | Heh, well, it should be. That's one of the features I absolutely love about working on OSX while I'm at work. |
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| 21:21.06 | thiago | Psi-Jack: convince a developer to write that feature in then |
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| 21:25.46 | sladi | Hi! I installed systemsettings for KDE4 and I'd like to change the theme used but there is no color section. I use Debian Lenny. |
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| 21:59.55 | TheBlunderbuss | Couple questions about kde4: 1. Is there a mouse gesture/button to do the same thing as Alt+tab? 2. Why do some windows have larger sizes in the "show all windows" , when they don't have a larger geometry when on the desktop? |
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| 22:06.13 | thiago | TheBlunderbuss: 1) no |
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| 22:06.16 | thiago | 2) I don't know |
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| 22:20.13 | shepherd | Is there a default hotkey combo to cycle tabs in konqueror ( or other tabbed kde programs ) |
| 22:21.04 | joss_ | TheBlunderbuss, you can map the gesture to do that!! |
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| 22:21.23 | thiago | shepherd: Ctrl+] |
| 22:22.10 | aseigo | shepherd: depends on the app.. but general it's ctrl+left/right or alt+left/right.. .. konq's a bit odd.. ctrl+</> or ctrl+[/] |
| 22:22.21 | joss_ | TheBlunderbuss, again i have not delt with kde4 much, but kde3 had khotkeys that was really capable of doing this, with whichever gesture to be mapped fot ctrl-alt-tab or alt-tab |
| 22:22.26 | aseigo | thiago: moin :) |
| 22:22.34 | thiago | aseigo: heya |
| 22:23.22 | shepherd | aseigo: hmm.. alt + left / right is a pretty universal hotkey for going back / forth. |
| 22:23.32 | shepherd | aseigo: ctrl + alt + tab worked though, thanks XD. |
| 22:23.36 | aseigo | shepherd: for history in web browsers |
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| 22:25.01 | igor- | I can't seem to find the place which controls panels' background color in 4.2.2. Hints? |
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| 22:27.38 | joss_ | aseigo fde: ah i figured out why you were not suggesting to use googleaerth while marble seems slow, maybe you haven't noticed , maybe you have atmosphere option that makes an shodowed white ring over the globe must be disabled, intel driver does not handle that option for some reason... |
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| 22:31.09 | HappySmileMan | Is there a way to get archive support in Akregator from SVN? |
| 22:31.41 | HappySmileMan | Built it with kdesvn-build and get the "Could not find metakit, no archiving" message, but there appears to be nothing relevant in the CMake files that I'm missing |
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| 22:33.40 | thiago | you're missing metakit |
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| 22:35.19 | HappySmileMan | thiago: Do I need to do anything special for it though? I have it installed and it works with 4.2.2? |
| 22:35.41 | thiago | are you sure you have the development package for it installed? |
| 22:36.03 | joss_ | aseigo:http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/category/graphics_dojo/page/3/ you think svgviewer is optimized for hardware and marble isn't? cause take note of the perforrmance gain there |
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| 22:36.30 | HappySmileMan | Actually no, no I don't, I don't even have metakit installed... Yet 4.2.2 does have archiving, I wonder what that was using |
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| 22:36.41 | loufoque | what is the name of the kde configuration utility? |
| 22:36.54 | joss_ | aseigo: that is 170 fps more that opengl backend can do with svgviewer |
| 22:37.56 | aseigo | loufoque: systemsettings (or kcontrol in kde3) |
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| 22:38.59 | linux-hdtv | My KWrite in KDE 4.2 does not soft wrap lines anymore ... |
| 22:39.10 | linux-hdtv | Can this be changed in the settings ? |
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| 22:41.05 | shodan45 | I somehow lost my status bar in konqueror (4.2.2).... how do I get it back? |
| 22:43.31 | loufoque | aseigo: thanks |
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| 22:45.07 | joss_ | anyone knows, if there is an ubuntu repository where daily Qt builds of git/svn are generated ? |
| 22:46.20 | thiago | ask in #ubuntu or #kubuntu |
| 22:46.22 | thiago | we wouldn't know |
| 22:47.28 | shodan45 | ok, I got my status bar back by editing the profile file, but afaics there's no option to enable/disable the status bar in konqueror...?! |
| 22:47.40 | shodan45 | or am I blind? ;) |
| 22:47.42 | joss_ | thiago: ok, actually qt was just a single package, that i can compile also |
| 22:47.55 | joss_ | single library |
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| 22:50.52 | joss_ | thiago: so you haven't noticed yet the cure for opengl backended apps not to crash on initing , that's mixed 4.4 4.5rc that jaunty is bundeled, don't care about rendering errors i wanna test performance? |
| 22:51.31 | joss_ | maybe 4.6 has some improvements, and svn |
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| 22:53.37 | thiago | joss_: opengl backend is experimental |
| 22:53.45 | thiago | crashes are not expected, but rendering errors are |
| 22:54.03 | quassel208 | hexadecimal notation someone know the hexadecimal notation of 2 gb memory |
| 22:54.53 | thiago | quassel208: 0x80000000 |
| 22:55.09 | thiago | one bit set, 31 zeroes |
| 22:55.36 | quassel208 | oh okay, yeah doing that doc on msaking your intel gma better |
| 22:55.52 | joss_ | thiago: so you were suggesting to recode the app to use opengl instead of usual 2d arthur, how much effort to you see putting into that, something like only chaning viewport that some demonstrate, i think this won't work or may it? |
| 22:56.13 | thiago | joss_: I have no idea |
| 22:56.22 | thiago | I don't know the first thing about OpenGL or painting |
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| 22:57.49 | quassel208 | echo "base=0xF0000000 size=0x08000000 type=write-combining" >| /proc/mtrr thiago you also now why the basememory isnt 0x80000000 |
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| 22:58.41 | thiago | disclaims all knowledge of MTRRs |
| 22:58.51 | thiago | and the size there isn't 2GB |
| 22:59.00 | thiago | it's 1/16th of that |
| 22:59.24 | quassel208 | is that the cache ? |
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| 22:59.40 | thiago | what cache? |
| 22:59.44 | HappySmileMan | When somthing doesn't work do a "kbuildsycoca4" before tons of googling and recompiling :( |
| 22:59.52 | quassel208 | in processor |
| 23:00.00 | joss_ | quassel208, i have seen an ubuntu thread where someone was talking about a bug in the driever that detects wrong memory values |
| 23:00.09 | thiago | processors have many levels of cache |
| 23:00.24 | quassel208 | joss_ i am fixing it now |
| 23:00.40 | quassel208 | but what does he mean with base memory |
| 23:00.54 | thiago | he who? |
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| 23:01.05 | quassel208 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582 |
| 23:01.05 | joss_ | quassel208, yeah they had a simple echo fixmtrr script that did this, dunno if i am affected by this bug |
| 23:01.19 | thiago | I have no idea |
| 23:02.35 | joss_ | thiago: that is at http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/category/graphics_dojo/page/3/ gunnars column, where this chaning viewport is suggested |
| 23:02.53 | thiago | you have to talk to gunnar, not me |
| 23:02.56 | joss_ | or said, something like this was previously used |
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| 23:07.42 | joss_ | quassel208, yeah, where do they get the impression that this bug exists overall? |
| 23:07.54 | joss_ | quassel208, but that's the same thread |
| 23:08.05 | quassel208 | lol dont know, but I think I have it |
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| 23:09.53 | joss_ | quassel208, you think that lspci -v reg00 and cat /proc/mtrr region 00 starting addresses have to match? |
| 23:10.10 | joss_ | they don't |
| 23:10.17 | joss_ | have to |
| 23:10.32 | quassel208 | ow |
| 23:11.21 | Dale | Has anyone considered installing KDE on a VPS? |
| 23:11.37 | Dale | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.27 | joss_ | quassel208, ow? |
| 23:12.36 | Dale | Could you get 3D support? |
| 23:12.59 | fujimitsu | kde4.2 has issues running on an intel mg965 ... |
| 23:13.18 | fujimitsu | o.0 |
| 23:13.32 | joss_ | Dale, tried vserver, yep as long as you give proper permissions/capabilities |
| 23:13.32 | sladi | Why would be the colors section missing in system settings. I'd like to change the window decoration theme |
| 23:14.02 | joss_ | Dale, there was a little bug with switching vt's though, dunno if that's fixed |
| 23:14.37 | Dale | Cool. |
| 23:14.41 | Dale | Thanks. |
| 23:14.43 | fujimitsu | complete substandard |
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| 23:15.15 | joss_ | Dale, try lxc instead, that's integrated in from 2.6.27 |
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| 23:17.13 | kdepepo | sladi, do you want to change the theme or the colors of the decoration? |
| 23:17.20 | Dale | Maybe I could get rid of my computer and by a thin client. :P |
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| 23:17.41 | Dale | Maybe I could get rid of my computer and buy a thin client. :P* |
| 23:18.07 | sladi | kdepepo: I want to change the theme for KDE4 apps. :) |
| 23:18.30 | sladi | I con do so fine for KDE3 in Kcontrol. |
| 23:18.37 | kdepepo | sladi, run systemsettings |
| 23:19.02 | kdepepo | sladi, for Plasma theme, use "Desktop Settings" with desktop right mouse click |
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| 23:19.32 | loufoque | it looks like my KDE applications are not using the style I specified in the Qt4 configuration utility |
| 23:19.37 | loufoque | what could be the reason? |
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| 23:19.44 | sladi | There are just Icons and Emoticons in Appearance though. I don't have a full KDE desktop, I just use Konsole and Kradio for KDE4. |
| 23:19.53 | kdepepo | loufoque, KDE has its own style settings |
| 23:19.58 | Dale | joss_ Do you know if it supports 3D? |
| 23:20.14 | loufoque | kdepepo: where can I change them? In apperance, I can only change icon themes. |
| 23:20.17 | sladi | I tried qtconfig-qt4 but this doesn;t work. |
| 23:20.17 | joss_ | Dale: actually, i wonder why xorg hasn't got the ability to add/tie a virtual hostname to display variable |
| 23:20.24 | kdepepo | sladi, well, if you don't install KDE correctly, you cannot expect all modules to be present :) |
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| 23:21.04 | kdepepo | what distributions are you using, sladi and loufoque ? This sounds like a broken installation. |
| 23:21.13 | joss_ | Dale, i am not sure, it seems it does, tutorial has an example to start second Xorg in security context..from there on there should be only a matter of capabilities for devices for this to work out |
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| 23:21.57 | joss_ | Dale, those you just copy over from the host, since security context uses the same kernel as host does |
| 23:22.04 | loufoque | kdepepo: i do not use a fully-fledged kde desktop. I only installed amarok in ubuntu, and I'm trying to make it use a special style. |
| 23:22.07 | joss_ | and give them proper capabilities |
| 23:23.00 | sladi | kdepepo: I use Debian Lenny. I just installed Kcontrol center and with that I can change KDE3 apps. qtconfig-qt4 saves a theme but neither Kmplayer nor Kradio use it. Kmplayer is from the official repos whil Kradio is downloaded from its homepage. |
| 23:23.03 | kdepepo | loufoque, ah ubuntu... ask in their channels which package has the missing modules. |
| 23:23.24 | Dale | Thanks. |
| 23:23.25 | joss_ | Dale, so you get an isoleted envirement, like chroot with hostname/virtual network |
| 23:23.55 | sladi | kdepepo: Kmplayer and Kradio both use the same theme. |
| 23:23.57 | Dale | Yes. |
| 23:24.03 | Dale | Xen VPS. |
| 23:24.11 | kdepepo | sladi, debian lenny has KDE 3 or KDE 4? |
| 23:24.45 | sladi | kdepepo: Lenny has KDE3, the KDE4 packages are from testing or experimental. |
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| 23:25.00 | joss_ | Dale, ah you were talking about xen paravirtual ops, this does not work that way |
| 23:25.17 | kdepepo | sladi, and mixing those is supported? |
| 23:25.17 | TheBlunderbuss | joss_: Where's the mouse gesture stuff in KDE4, or else it isn't an answer |
| 23:25.23 | Dale | Damm... |
| 23:25.30 | TheBlunderbuss | A lot of stuff got changed/crippled/not implemented yet in KDE4 |
| 23:25.44 | joss_ | Dale, that is domU, and uses it's virtualised kernel it's own kernel |
| 23:25.51 | sladi | kdepepo: I'm not sure. :) I'm glad thedefault KDE4 theme isn't bad. |
| 23:26.06 | joss_ | TheBlunderbuss, they were in KHotkeys, understand, that is an hotkeys daemon |
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| 23:26.19 | Dale | Thanks anyway. |
| 23:26.20 | loufoque | kdepepo: why isn't kde using the qt style though? |
| 23:26.21 | kdepepo | TheBlunderbuss, gestures should be back with 4.3 |
| 23:26.33 | TheBlunderbuss | ah gotcha. thanks. |
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| 23:27.31 | kdepepo | loufoque, because users would be annoyed when they changed style in KDE and apps would ignore this... |
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| 23:29.09 | joss_ | TheBlunderbuss, but yeah it had a kde3 userspace configurator to draw a gesture and tie this to whatever action, even execve or system()...or any other key commbination, and if that was done, it's just a matter of starting khotkeysd |
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| 23:30.14 | joss_ | :) |
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| 23:31.26 | joss_ | i do not know honestly what's the thing. 1. it even does not have to be in kde4 while it certainly is there i am sure. secondly even if it is not, then kde3 stuff could be used in different LD_LIBRARY_PATH..so!!! |
| 23:32.01 | kdepepo | or use easystroke |
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| 23:40.31 | joss_ | kdepepo, it seems Xorg style is not userfrienly max still, i am thinking about this DISPLAY=:0 command behavior from another vt, it should really work that way, so it would draw into some offscreen buffer and do all else that does not require drawing on to screen..and switching there it would have to draw onto the screen instead of virtual buffer..that seems like one error Xorg has |
| 23:41.45 | joss_ | kdepepo, currently process would not start at all from another vt, until chvt'd to that display..something is missing there |
| 23:45.39 | kdepepo | joss_, I have no idea what you are talking about... |
| 23:48.33 | joss_ | kdepepo, that's a security context thing drawback, gpu is not shared amongs the Xservers at the moement, maybe Gallium guys have ideas howto solve it, it's only possible to draw offscreen via vfb at the moemnt, but that is slow |
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| 23:52.28 | joss_ | kdepepo: so i was thinking a way how to share an app between Xservers, so no matter where one switches he always get's the those same latest news, or same video stream..but i do not know how to do that..Only way i have found is start that instance on vfb...and share that to multiple single-app vnc clients, but that is slow..what is the method to do that hw accel? |
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