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| 00:48.14 | fruitwerks | I wanted to try out the raptor menu, looks like everything went well, but it can't find the plasmoid (gentoo / kde4.2) http://dpaste.com/41629/ |
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| 01:30.51 | Tsagadai | hi all, I'm trying to disable suspend on an F10 machine running KDE. All the solutions I can find have to gnome and there doesn't appear to be a proper power control application installed by default (that guidance power widget can't disable suspend) |
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| 01:35.36 | mase_work | Tsagadai: the powerdevil profiles should work |
| 01:35.45 | mase_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.49 | mase_work | and use that |
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| 01:36.18 | nsahoo | does anyone use the analog clock widget? |
| 01:36.20 | mase_work | mind you , you may need to use a newer verison of kde for that to work |
| 01:36.51 | AHelper | nsahoo - analog, mostly binary |
| 01:37.18 | nsahoo | umm .. do you know if I can change the appearance of the clock? |
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| 01:37.45 | nsahoo | I have two of those .. pointing to different timezones. I want them to look different .. is it possible? |
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| 01:40.12 | AHelper | nsahoo - the appearence changes when you change the plasma theme |
| 01:40.25 | AHelper | Each theme has a different look |
| 01:40.26 | nsahoo | can't make two clocks look different, heh? |
| 01:40.33 | AHelper | sorry. |
| 01:40.41 | AHelper | Maybe a different type of clock... |
| 01:40.57 | nsahoo | is there a way to track weather of two places in the weather applet? |
| 01:41.32 | nsahoo | nvm, I just created two instances of the applet |
| 01:42.21 | AHelper | Which weather applet are you using? |
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| 02:01.02 | Tsagadai | mase_work, fixed. It's a fedora packaging issue |
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| 02:32.24 | ploo | so no panel accross 2 screens like kde 3.5 ? |
| 02:32.50 | AHelper | What do you mean? Extended desktop? |
| 02:33.27 | ploo | yes |
| 02:33.31 | ploo | dual monitors |
| 02:33.46 | ploo | xinerama |
| 02:34.08 | ploo | wallpaper does just not the panel |
| 02:34.15 | AHelper | Let me see. I have NVIDIA. |
| 02:34.31 | ploo | wtf is with the Desktop Folder and no ability to create launcher icons on the desktop? |
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| 02:34.49 | AHelper | You can make launchers on the desktop |
| 02:35.24 | ploo | it works kind of screwy icons etc. |
| 02:35.50 | AHelper | Are you looking for a desktop like Gnome? |
| 02:35.56 | AHelper | In KDE?: |
| 02:36.10 | ploo | ? |
| 02:36.15 | ploo | kde 3.5 did all these things |
| 02:36.32 | jokerman64 | my eyes itch :-( |
| 02:36.57 | AHelper | Launchers made by right clicking applications and selecting 'Add to Desktop' |
| 02:37.29 | AHelper | The desktop mode can be switched from only showing the Desktop folder to having the entire desktop being the desktop folder. |
| 02:37.31 | ploo | well that kind of works, but the icons dont |
| 02:37.46 | AHelper | What is wrong with the icons? |
| 02:37.49 | ploo | where is that option? |
| 02:38.11 | ploo | so then you lose widgets on the desktop right? |
| 02:38.24 | AHelper | The option is in the plasma 'Appearance Options'. You keep the widgets |
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| 02:39.24 | AHelper | Appearance Options -> Desktop Activity -> Type -> Folder View |
| 02:40.07 | AHelper | Anything? |
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| 02:42.29 | jokerman64 | hello fengshaun__ |
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| 02:44.11 | AHelper | If anyone has watched 24, have you looked at the computer screens? They are using KDE. |
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| 03:04.43 | doleyb | AHelper: really! i will have to find a screenshoot |
| 03:05.12 | AHelper | ??? |
| 03:05.12 | doleyb | AHelper: yup http://jriddell.org/24-kde.jpg |
| 03:05.28 | AHelper | ..... |
| 03:05.43 | AHelper | KDE? |
| 03:06.27 | AHelper | The latest ones looked like 4.2 |
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| 03:14.19 | caibbor | smb:// thing with konqueror is *not* working. samba is running, smb ports forwarded in firewall... |
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| 03:16.21 | caibbor | however, smb4k works. |
| 03:16.55 | caibbor | actually, it shows workgroup clients, but wont list shares. |
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| 03:19.46 | AHelper | SMB:// gives me problems about nothing being there but that's not true |
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| 03:55.39 | ploo | kde 3.5 was so nice... can't believe its crap now :( |
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| 04:10.25 | peaches | nah 4 pwns |
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| 04:20.05 | baobao_ | kde 4 is stable yet? |
| 04:21.02 | ploo | 4 pwns? |
| 04:21.03 | peaches | not even close |
| 04:21.17 | ploo | baobao_, honestly its garbage |
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| 04:21.30 | ploo | its a trainwreck sad to say :) |
| 04:21.32 | baobao_ | what?? really... |
| 04:21.49 | ploo | 3.5 alot better |
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| 04:22.37 | Jucato | 3.5 was built on in a year. KDE 4 was a big break from KDE 3 than KDE 3 was from KDE 2 |
| 04:22.49 | Jucato | (remove superfluous "on") |
| 04:23.42 | ploo | it feels like a downgrade and its sluggish |
| 04:23.45 | Jucato | baobao_: depends on what you mean by "stable". some people don't mean "stable" when they say "stable" and instead mean "completely complete". in that case, no |
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| 04:24.03 | baobao_ | is it completely complete? |
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| 04:24.10 | baobao_ | or just stable |
| 04:24.28 | Jucato | baobao_: I just said "no". because there's still KDE 4.3, and 4.4, and 4.5, etc. |
| 04:24.32 | peaches | ploo: whats your specs |
| 04:25.04 | Jucato | ploo: if that were absolutely 100% true, no one would be using KDE 4 today at all. |
| 04:25.25 | ploo | ppl like eyecandy |
| 04:25.48 | ploo | Jucato, so your going to say its not sluggish, and is stable? |
| 04:26.05 | Jucato | ploo: sluggish: depends on your system. stable: absolutely |
| 04:26.17 | Jucato | (though that depends on what *part*) |
| 04:26.22 | ploo | so i7 system with 32gigs of ram is slow |
| 04:26.24 | ploo | ? |
| 04:26.57 | ploo | dual xeon 2.8's dual core with 16gigs is slow? |
| 04:27.06 | Jucato | dunno. there are other factors, specially with graphics cards and drivers |
| 04:27.21 | ploo | gtx 285 is slow? |
| 04:27.40 | ploo | load up kde 3.5 and load up kde 4 |
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| 04:27.52 | Jucato | <Jucato> 3.5 was built on in a year. KDE 4 was a big break from KDE 3 than KDE 3 was from KDE 2 |
| 04:27.57 | peaches | whats gtk 285? |
| 04:27.58 | peaches | gtx |
| 04:28.07 | ploo | you can feel a big difference |
| 04:28.41 | Jucato | what driver are you using? |
| 04:28.41 | mase_work | ploo: a decent amount of that has to do with graphics drivers too. KDE4 takes a no hacks approach..which means it relies on the video card drivers to work as advertised |
| 04:28.45 | mase_work | which they don't currently do |
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| 04:28.50 | mase_work | but they are getting better |
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| 04:28.56 | ploo | Jucato, what do you think? come on now |
| 04:29.03 | Jucato | there have been issues with previous nvidia drivers |
| 04:29.15 | Jucato | I'm not a mind reader |
| 04:29.28 | peaches | ploo: yeah i love eyecandy. especially when it has productivity value as much of it does in kde |
| 04:29.31 | ploo | one system has an ati card |
| 04:30.16 | ploo | I'm sure it will get alot better down the road, but as it sits now its a trainwreck |
| 04:31.00 | ploo | productivity value eh? where |
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| 04:31.41 | Jucato | a "trainwreck" implies it's totally and ultimately broken. which is absolutely not true. Qt 4 and KDE 4 have uncovered a lot of problems with nvidia, ati, and even intel graphics card drivers. they've all been cooperative in fixing those as soon as they can |
| 04:33.10 | Jucato | "productivity" is subjective, just as appreciation/desire for "eyecandy". but nowadays, anything beautiful or even remotely "shiny" is branded as eyecandy... |
| 04:33.15 | ploo | ok its a car crash then :) |
| 04:33.21 | ploo | trainwreck couple months ago haha |
| 04:33.23 | Jucato | it's a buzzword that gets thrown around |
| 04:33.38 | mase_work | i think its a bit harsh, i have been using kde4 for a while now |
| 04:33.55 | Jucato | you're looking at it from the wrong angle. you're thinking it's a finished product that gets broken. it isn't. KDE 4 is *not* KDE 3 |
| 04:33.58 | mase_work | also on laptops there is a big difference in the amount of wakeups between kde3 and kde4 |
| 04:34.14 | mase_work | kde4 is much nicer power usage wise |
| 04:34.26 | Jucato | but please, keep on using KDE 3.5 as long as you like. if your distro no longer provides it, feel free to look for another or compile it yourself |
| 04:34.28 | ploo | Jucato, did I say it was, but shouldn't the same type of features be there or get better? |
| 04:34.36 | Jucato | heck, patch it yourself if you like |
| 04:34.44 | mase_work | ploo: no its a different product |
| 04:34.46 | Jucato | no |
| 04:34.47 | peaches | ploo: ok what do you think is kde4 purely non productive eyecandy |
| 04:35.11 | mase_work | ploo: it has KDE in the name and its by the same developers, but they are different desktops |
| 04:35.13 | ploo | drop the productive eyecandy already, please... |
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| 04:35.33 | peaches | ploo: name anything lets hear some examples |
| 04:36.01 | mase_work | also if KDE3 is workign well for you, why change ? |
| 04:36.12 | mase_work | i ma still using kde3 here at work |
| 04:36.24 | mase_work | mainly b/c i am running Hardy still :) |
| 04:36.28 | ploo | I've been using kde3. |
| 04:36.32 | Jucato | ploo: you're implication is that "kde 4 is kde 3.6". absolutely not true. some parts of KDE 4 have been rewritten from scratch. as for "features", some will get removed, some will be re-added, some new ones will arrive. there is no guarantee that just because it was in KDE 3.5 it will be in KDE 4. there never was such a guarantee. |
| 04:36.36 | ploo | I got my own pkgs for it so not a big deal |
| 04:37.35 | Jucato | again, the "(un)productive eyecandy" topic will not get you anywhere. it's is entirely subjective, like artwork or preferences |
| 04:37.48 | ploo | exactly |
| 04:38.07 | peaches | aw come on ploo what's one or two eyecandy things that upset you |
| 04:38.11 | ploo | bottom line is KDE4 is not production level |
| 04:38.25 | peaches | hehe |
| 04:38.29 | ploo | peaches, I can careless about eyecandy, so like I said drop it already |
| 04:38.34 | Jucato | define "production level"? |
| 04:38.41 | peaches | no thats funny ploo come on dont go overboard |
| 04:38.49 | ploo | Jucato, Google it |
| 04:39.07 | ploo | peaches, go play with your eyecandy then |
| 04:39.08 | Jucato | ploo: no. I'm asking for *your* definition. because people have very different definitions of it. |
| 04:40.02 | Jucato | because if you mean that it will be used for mission-critical systems: 1. no one said KDE 4 is there yet. 2. a lot of those are still using versions earlier than 3.5 |
| 04:40.07 | peaches | ploo: ah i see, so you don't have any icons, or a desktop background? |
| 04:40.12 | mase_work | ploo: i'm currently productive on kde4..my main workstation at home is running kde4. my work laptop runs kde4. it will depend on what your doing |
| 04:40.31 | ploo | peaches, wow, sounds like you need Windows 7 in your life |
| 04:40.41 | Jucato | ok that's enough |
| 04:40.50 | peaches | ploo i gaurantee an anti eyecandy crusader like yourself has a desktop backgund. what is it? |
| 04:40.58 | ploo | wow |
| 04:41.06 | mase_work | this is constructive =) |
| 04:41.09 | Jucato | ploo, peaches: drop it. you won't get *anywhere* except in a brawl |
| 04:41.27 | Jucato | first and only warning |
| 04:41.30 | ploo | goto playboy.com or whatever for some eyecandy |
| 04:41.33 | ploo | :p |
| 04:41.55 | Jucato | now that's totally inappropriate |
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| 04:42.35 | peaches | nah ploo just needed some time to rant, i'm taking none of it personally haha |
| 04:47.50 | ploo | :) |
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| 05:07.56 | peaches | alt+f2, keyboard |
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| 05:20.19 | apparmor | amarok 2.0 got no xine plugin ? |
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| 05:21.21 | apparmor | amarok-xine only got 1.4 version. not for amarok 2.0 ? |
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| 05:23.02 | drantin | ... |
| 05:23.09 | drantin | amarok uses phonon |
| 05:23.18 | drantin | phonon has a xine engine |
| 05:23.18 | apparmor | ï¼ |
| 05:23.24 | apparmor | phonon / |
| 05:23.25 | apparmor | ? |
| 05:23.36 | apparmor | but the 1.4 version of amarok got that plugin then |
| 05:23.59 | drantin | amarok 2 only uses phonon directly, phonon itself supports gstreamer and xine |
| 05:24.17 | apparmor | but, the amarok 2.0 can not play mp3 |
| 05:24.24 | drantin | check your phonon settings |
| 05:24.32 | apparmor | libphono4 installed |
| 05:24.36 | apparmor | how to set ? |
| 05:25.29 | drantin | systemsettings -> multimedia, newer versions of amarok have a link to that in the amarok configuration but I don't think that's made it to a release yet |
| 05:26.04 | apparmor | thankyou |
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| 05:55.28 | Dhraakellian | okay... one of my major pet peeve bugs was fixed yesterday. hooray! |
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| 05:56.57 | mase_work | Dhraakellian: which one was that ? |
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| 05:57.46 | mase_work | k |
| 05:58.05 | Dhraakellian | I am very eagerly anticipating 4.3 |
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| 06:36.39 | Dumble | Hello world ! |
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| 06:54.34 | DirtyPenguin | good evening |
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| 06:55.06 | DirtyPenguin | who is using 4.2 in here? |
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| 06:55.50 | alid | I have installed kdocker and when I use it to dock thunderbird in sys tray it keeps docking it to the top left corner of my desktop rather. Can anybody help please? |
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| 06:57.20 | DirtyPenguin | Can anyone tell me why the new kd3 4.2 don't allow root logins? I wanna break stuff! |
| 06:58.51 | peaches | DirkGently: doesn't allow it meaning what |
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| 07:02.31 | DirtyPenguin | I am all about this new KDE but I wanna parade around as root Like A Boss |
| 07:03.12 | peaches | DirtyPenguin: sounds great but what do you mean it doesn't 'let' you |
| 07:03.14 | jms | hi anyone with kaddressbook-4.2 can you report that when having mutiple email for a contact you don't have the popup select email address coming up each time (and several time ) when selecting a contact with multiple email? |
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| 07:09.43 | jms | or is it just me ? |
| 07:09.55 | jms | :( |
| 07:10.43 | peaches | jms: sorry i dont use it :( |
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| 07:11.31 | jms | peaches:thks anyway |
| 07:12.11 | DirtyPenguin | never mind I changed the permissions of the entire directory |
| 07:12.20 | DirtyPenguin | Like A Boss |
| 07:12.32 | jms | by the way in http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog4_2_2to4_2_3.php the link to all svn change http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/4_2_3/kdelibs.txt is broken |
| 07:13.15 | peaches | DirtyPenguin: sometimes you just gotta lay down the Law |
| 07:13.19 | DirtyPenguin | Oh what I meant is "root" logins are not allowed that sux my a55 |
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| 07:29.08 | DirtyPenguin | Who else hates Dolphin? |
| 07:29.17 | peaches | not me love dolphin |
| 07:29.33 | DirtyPenguin | really? maybe I need 2 get use to it |
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| 07:32.37 | peaches | yep sounds like a plan . it's great |
| 07:32.47 | szal | DirtyPenguin: use Krusader |
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| 07:36.15 | DirtyPenguin | hmmmmm Krusader |
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| 07:36.34 | DirtyPenguin | I will emerge that and give it a go |
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| 07:42.00 | DirtyPenguin | You like it Broseph? |
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| 08:09.48 | at0m|c | hi, running blueproximity -which should start in tray- doesn't show any tray icon. My tray does have icons for kmix and kbluetooth. How would i access blueproximity? It doesn't have commandline options to start "unhidden" |
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| 08:11.03 | DirtyPenguin | peace! |
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| 08:32.34 | nille | I see that the ikon graph bug in system tray is still in 4.2.3 |
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| 08:39.44 | annma | ikon graph bug? |
| 08:39.52 | annma | nille: bug number? |
| 08:40.46 | nille | i'm searching for it on bugs.kde.org right now |
| 08:43.04 | annma | OK |
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| 09:23.34 | hateball | So... is KDict supposed to work? I dont seem to be able to change dictionaries |
| 09:24.23 | hateball | This is on Ubuntu 8.04, KDict 0.6 |
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| 09:37.56 | ForeverSmurf | hello. is it possible to clean out the plasma config stuff from the .kde directory? |
| 09:38.27 | ForeverSmurf | my plasma keeps crashing and restarting so before I file a bug report I wish to clean out my config |
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| 09:38.38 | ForeverSmurf | to see if it fixes the issue |
| 09:39.06 | annma | you remove the plasma* files from .kde/share/cponfig |
| 09:39.09 | annma | you remove the plasma* files from .kde/share/config |
| 09:39.21 | ForeverSmurf | annma, ok, thank you |
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| 09:40.50 | ForeverSmurf | annma, is the pannel part of the plasma config too? |
| 09:40.53 | iwmw | hi all. how can i switch off sounds from sound scheme in kde 4.2.2? |
| 09:41.13 | annma | panel |
| 09:41.14 | annma | yes |
| 09:41.30 | annma | iwmw: in SYstemSettings somewhere |
| 09:41.35 | iwmw | i tried that |
| 09:42.39 | iwmw | still sound notifications on minimize and other stuff |
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| 09:43.51 | pythonic | oh noes |
| 09:43.59 | pythonic | ksirc has bugs |
| 09:44.35 | pinotree | ksirc is no more maintained since years |
| 09:44.52 | annma | iwmw: what did you do exactly in System Settings? |
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| 09:45.18 | pythonic | oh, so what's the one true irc client now? |
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| 09:46.21 | iwmw | annma, i've been doing in "configure your desktop" :) |
| 09:46.43 | iwmw | "notifications" and there were nothing to disable |
| 09:46.48 | pythonic | konversation? |
| 09:46.49 | cobre | hello. Is it possible in folder viewer plasmoid to reverse sorting order? |
| 09:47.09 | iwmw | annma: but player settings set to no audio output |
| 09:47.12 | iwmw | it still didn't help |
| 09:47.55 | iwmw | also tried "use bell instead of system notifications" - not a solution, it doesn't beep and still plays |
| 09:47.56 | Rasi | pythonic: irssi or weechat |
| 09:48.09 | Rasi | pythonic: if you insist on a gui: konversation or quassel |
| 09:48.16 | Rasi | if you dont mind gtk: xchat |
| 09:48.48 | pythonic | hmm. just not enough options. |
| 09:48.53 | pythonic | i may need to write my own irc client :-/ |
| 09:48.57 | Rasi | ? |
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| 09:49.04 | Rasi | not enough options? |
| 09:49.13 | Rasi | you really should try irssi |
| 09:49.18 | iwmw | or xchat |
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| 09:49.21 | Rasi | http://carnager.dyndns.org/musca.png |
| 09:49.25 | Rasi | ^^ its nice |
| 09:49.32 | peaches | i just switched to kvirc cause i had enough with quassel.. it works surprisingly well with MDI |
| 09:49.41 | Traveler8 | hi... is it possible to sync a nokia 6680 with kdepim (korganizer and kaddressbook)? |
| 09:49.51 | pythonic | irssi has the uglies |
| 09:50.14 | peaches | pythonic: the uglies haha thats funny |
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| 09:50.56 | Rasi | http://carnager.dyndns.org/weechat.png |
| 09:51.04 | peaches | interweb lingo |
| 09:52.04 | pythonic | sorry |
| 09:52.08 | pythonic | teh uglies |
| 09:52.37 | Rasi | you can make it look how you want |
| 09:52.43 | Rasi | but it has options en masse |
| 09:53.09 | iwmw | ... screw it... i just gotta remove sounds from somewheer so it couldn't play them anymore |
| 09:53.23 | peaches | text mode irc hm |
| 09:53.42 | k0pp | be a man, use netcat for irc |
| 09:54.14 | peaches | hehe |
| 09:54.20 | peaches | i totally want 3D irc |
| 09:54.27 | k0pp | come again? |
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| 09:55.07 | pythonic | comes again |
| 09:55.09 | Rasi | ehm |
| 09:55.15 | Rasi | irc is a text protocol |
| 09:55.16 | peaches | irc in 3 dimensions man cause 4 would be too difficult to fathom |
| 09:55.20 | Rasi | so why need a gui anyway? |
| 09:55.33 | iwmw | 'cause it looks nice |
| 09:55.38 | peaches | 2D is getting kinda old |
| 09:55.46 | jazka | you can't have gui in screen and connect to it remotely :| |
| 09:56.07 | Rasi | actually you can have quasselcore in screen and connect to it |
| 09:56.17 | Rasi | to be fair |
| 09:56.22 | jazka | meh, irssi rocks :) |
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| 09:57.04 | jazka | Rasi: can you install it to a headless server? |
| 09:57.28 | Rasi | no.. it has qt deps |
| 09:57.36 | jazka | then it's a no-go for me |
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| 09:57.46 | k0pp | qt > gtk imo |
| 09:57.55 | Rasi | k0pp: but also > in size |
| 09:58.05 | k0pp | and Curses for that matter, in regards to irssi ;p |
| 09:58.12 | k0pp | once again, in my opinion. |
| 09:59.05 | Rasi | there is no doubt about that |
| 09:59.13 | Rasi | doesnt change the fact that irssi is a brilliant software |
| 09:59.22 | Rasi | which easily outperforms every qt/gtk client |
| 10:00.03 | pythonic | wtf is brilliant about an irc client? |
| 10:00.06 | iwmw | is it capable of working through proxies, Rasi ? |
| 10:00.11 | jazka | yes |
| 10:00.18 | iwmw | i should install it |
| 10:01.34 | Rasi | in kde i use it together with yakuake |
| 10:01.43 | Rasi | nice combination :) |
| 10:01.48 | jazka | at least http proxies |
| 10:02.22 | peaches | how does it notify you when you get a message |
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| 10:03.07 | Rasi | Irssi can be compiled with socks support (--with-socks option to configure) |
| 10:03.12 | jazka | marks the channel number with a different color |
| 10:03.14 | Rasi | peaches: you can use libnotify |
| 10:03.20 | Rasi | there is a plugin |
| 10:03.44 | Rasi | also /lastlog YOURNICK will show all messages with your nick in it |
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| 10:05.24 | iwmw | aaa, i set every option concerning sounds or notifications in kde configs but it still plays sounds |
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| 10:05.39 | iwmw | naughty kde... |
| 10:06.08 | Rasi | iwmw: systemsettings -> notifications -> player -> no sound output |
| 10:06.21 | iwmw | yeah, i did it already |
| 10:06.24 | iwmw | it doesn't work |
| 10:06.26 | Rasi | relogin |
| 10:06.30 | iwmw | did it too |
| 10:06.36 | Rasi | wtf... |
| 10:06.39 | iwmw | that's why i rejoined |
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| 10:07.24 | iwmw | gonna reboot as well :)) |
| 10:07.32 | iwmw | for no sane reason |
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| 10:10.43 | ForeverSmurf | will kde 4.3 have support ARGB on windows? |
| 10:11.58 | ForeverSmurf | imo... the only missing feature that kde has atm is ARGB visuals on windeco |
| 10:12.04 | Rasi | it will |
| 10:12.10 | Rasi | there was a screencast about it |
| 10:12.11 | ForeverSmurf | HURRAY! |
| 10:12.30 | ForeverSmurf | I read that qt 4.5 supports it, what was why I asked ;-) |
| 10:12.32 | Rasi | http://kdepepo.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/argb-window-themes-in-dekorator/ |
| 10:12.59 | Jucato | nah that's a different one. afaik Zarin was working on something in KWin itself |
| 10:13.16 | Rasi | Jucato: read the link |
| 10:13.20 | Rasi | it talks about kwin |
| 10:14.32 | ForeverSmurf | is deKorator different to kwin? |
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| 10:14.39 | Jucato | yeah but that's "dekorator is prepared to support KWin ARGB when it comes" |
| 10:14.51 | Jucato | ForeverSmurf: dekorator is a KWin window decoration |
| 10:15.03 | ForeverSmurf | oh... like oxygen? |
| 10:15.06 | Jucato | (that lets you theme it with pixmaps rather than C++ code) |
| 10:15.10 | Jucato | yeah |
| 10:15.19 | ForeverSmurf | oh ic... is dekorator popular? |
| 10:15.22 | ForeverSmurf | I never tried it |
| 10:15.36 | Rasi | all i am saying is that kwin is ready for argb in 4.3 - the decorations have to adopt to it tho |
| 10:15.38 | Rasi | :) |
| 10:15.45 | ForeverSmurf | okie |
| 10:15.47 | ForeverSmurf | ciik |
| 10:15.47 | Rasi | and dekorator already did |
| 10:15.49 | ForeverSmurf | cool |
| 10:15.51 | Jucato | it's one of only 2 kwin windecorations that allow pixmap themes. and it's definitely more popular than the other one |
| 10:16.16 | ForeverSmurf | why does kde not just use pixmap themes? |
| 10:16.34 | Jucato | Rasi: actually, based on the post, "While it is not yet clear if the feature will make it into KDE 4.3 as planned..." :) |
| 10:16.36 | Rasi | ForeverSmurf: dekorator does not allow scaling tho, so dont chose a theme with lots of gradients, it will look ugly on small windows |
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| 10:17.19 | Rasi | Jucato: last time i witnessed #kwin it seemed likely.. but i havent checked the beta state of kwin yet to check it |
| 10:17.42 | Jucato | Rasi: right. so we're back to square 1 :) |
| 10:17.47 | Rasi | *sigh* |
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| 10:18.19 | Rasi | lemme rephrase - ForeverSmurf be assured it will be available eventually :P |
| 10:18.54 | Jucato | sure but he specifically asked for 4.3.. it *might* be there already. though Zarin hasn't mentioned in his identi.ca... maybe he just forgot :) |
| 10:19.01 | Jucato | he'll eventually wake up and correct me later :) |
| 10:19.48 | Jucato | ForeverSmurf: window decorations are always written in code. they're basically plugins to the window manager. it's up to the window decoration whether it will allow it to be themed by pixmaps. now as to why the Oxygen people decided not to do it that way, that I don't know :) |
| 10:20.18 | Jucato | (performance considerations might also be involved) |
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| 10:22.13 | Zarin | Jucato, KWin supports ARGB decos |
| 10:22.26 | Zarin | DeKorator is the only one that uses it atm |
| 10:22.52 | Jucato | Rasi: see? ^^^ :) |
| 10:22.56 | Zarin | kdepepo was uncertain to whether or not it would make it in before hard freeze, which it did. |
| 10:23.17 | Rasi | Jucato: i didnt say differently |
| 10:23.33 | Jucato | Rasi: I meant that <Jucato> he'll eventually wake up and correct me later :) |
| 10:23.40 | Rasi | ah that you mean, haha |
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| 10:24.01 | iwmw | omg... it even sounds the button presses... |
| 10:25.27 | cobre | iwmw : did you disable sounds in System Settings -> Notifications? |
| 10:25.35 | iwmw | yup |
| 10:26.13 | cobre | for events like minimizing windows etc? |
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| 10:26.33 | iwmw | there are no events |
| 10:26.42 | iwmw | except for cervisia |
| 10:26.50 | iwmw | which is disabled |
| 10:26.54 | cobre | not from kwin source? |
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| 10:27.11 | iwmw | nope |
| 10:27.18 | iwmw | none events at all |
| 10:27.34 | iwmw | what events do you have? may be i will just add them and configure |
| 10:28.16 | Rasi | there are LOTS of events |
| 10:28.54 | Rasi | every kde application embeddeds its system sounds in there |
| 10:29.02 | iwmw | there are none |
| 10:29.08 | iwmw | gotta make a snapshot it seems |
| 10:29.24 | Rasi | well we believe you, but something is wrong then :P |
| 10:29.55 | cobre | not even for login and logout ? change "Event source:" to "KDE System Notifications" |
| 10:30.51 | iwmw | cobre, no, not even login/logout. where to change event source? |
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| 10:31.51 | iwmw | i just don't see anything that can select it |
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| 10:32.30 | cobre | im not using kde 4 now. but it was combobox in System Settings -> Notifications called "Event source" |
| 10:32.41 | iwmw | there's none |
| 10:32.57 | krishna6 | hi |
| 10:33.34 | iwmw | wow... |
| 10:34.32 | iwmw | thanks, cobre |
| 10:34.52 | iwmw | i should drink less beer :)) |
| 10:35.39 | cobre | nope. i didnt drink and had very hard time finding where can i disable annoying logout sound |
| 10:35.43 | Rasi | that doesnt change the fact that disabling the player settings should mute all sound events. |
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| 10:38.06 | iwmw | gonna check if it all got disabled |
| 10:38.18 | iwmw | aww... nope, it's still sounding |
| 10:38.21 | iwmw | gotta relog |
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| 10:42.14 | iwmw | it still sounds even with everything possible disabled :)) |
| 10:42.26 | iwmw | gotta break the speakers as well |
| 10:43.36 | iwmw | seems like settings are from different kde :)) |
| 10:44.06 | cobre | iwnw: hehe. Just play some loud music |
| 10:45.00 | iwmw | i've been doing it all the time |
| 10:45.21 | iwmw | so didn't find that annoying sounds somewhat bothering much |
| 10:45.40 | iwmw | but now the time has come |
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| 10:46.23 | iwmw | i will find EVERY .ogg sound and REMOVE it MANUALLY |
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| 10:50.49 | iwmw | hehe... i've done it |
| 10:50.56 | iwmw | gotta relog |
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| 10:52.47 | iwmw | where does it take them from now... |
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| 10:56.45 | iwmw | yaaaaaay, SILENCE!!! |
| 10:57.18 | iwmw | i just had to remove every effing sound from /usr/share/sounds/ |
| 10:57.27 | iwmw | it really helps |
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| 10:58.15 | cumulus007 | Hi, my KHotKeys doesn't work |
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| 10:58.40 | cumulus007 | it's enabled in System Settings. |
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| 11:00.31 | iwmw | does printscreen key work? |
| 11:00.38 | cumulus007 | nope |
| 11:01.11 | peaches | cumulus007: what kde version |
| 11:01.25 | cumulus007 | 4.2.2 |
| 11:02.01 | iwmw | yeaaah, 4.2.2 seems retarded, i just had to remove all sounds physically to disable them |
| 11:02.04 | peaches | hmm |
| 11:02.35 | cumulus007 | werid.. I'm upgrading to 4.2.3 now, will see what happens in that version |
| 11:02.41 | cumulus007 | *weird |
| 11:02.55 | peaches | run this look for khotkeys => qdbus org.kde.kded /kded loadedModules |
| 11:03.44 | cumulus007 | khotkeys is listed |
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| 11:04.10 | peaches | hmmMMmmHMm |
| 11:04.24 | peaches | so what exactly isnt working |
| 11:04.33 | cumulus007 | it's hotkeys |
| 11:04.41 | cumulus007 | for example, printscreen |
| 11:05.37 | peaches | i dont see any print screen in khotkeys default list. if you mean global shortcuts that not khotkeys |
| 11:07.07 | cumulus007 | http://imagebin.ca/view/kZrx3Uxf.html |
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| 11:08.19 | peaches | well ill be a monkeys uncle |
| 11:08.19 | cumulus007 | http://imagebin.ca/view/kZrx3Uxf.html |
| 11:08.23 | cumulus007 | woops |
| 11:08.32 | iwmw | cumulus007: what language is that? |
| 11:08.38 | cumulus007 | dutch |
| 11:09.57 | peaches | cumulus007: that config module has like 4 separate lines for every khotkeys action for me.. im thinking it's not working properly. change the shortcut in Input Actions |
| 11:10.22 | cumulus007 | hm, okay |
| 11:10.45 | cumulus007 | what's the pont of two separate modules for hotkeys? |
| 11:10.57 | cumulus007 | *point. It's a bit confusing |
| 11:11.14 | iwmw | yeah, kde is confusing sometimes |
| 11:11.33 | peaches | i dunno imho input actions should be integrated and including mouse gestures for every action. thats life |
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| 11:41.10 | eagles0513875 | wstephenson: if you see lines 69-72 seems like its trying to reauthenticate with the ap but its timing out my guess its either the ap or something else |
| 11:41.36 | wstephenson | eagles0513875: it could be |
| 11:41.43 | wstephenson | like i said it could be a driver bug too |
| 11:42.10 | eagles0513875 | true thing is im using this reverse engineered driver which i have never had any issue with |
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| 11:42.16 | wstephenson | eagles0513875: i need to see the NM log to see if it is timing out because the applet is not supplying credentials properly |
| 11:42.37 | eagles0513875 | ok still trying to find the answer where the log would be in kubuntu and also doing a locate but nothing is coming up |
| 11:42.41 | wstephenson | if the NM log shows UserCancelled then it's a known bug |
| 11:43.19 | wstephenson | either /var/log/NetworkManager or /var/log/syslog i expect |
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| 11:46.02 | eagles0513875 | wstephenson: think i found it but there is alot of other info that is rather useless in there |
| 11:46.44 | wstephenson | eagles0513875: man grep or read this: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/command-line-made-easy-five-simple-recipes-for-grep.ars |
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| 11:52.01 | eagles0513875 | wstephenson: http://pastebin.com/m41e95b13 thats what i grepped out of syslog |
| 11:52.14 | eagles0513875 | but ther eis a strange bug that i foudna link to in the syslog info of what i grepped |
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| 11:59.39 | eagles0513875 | wstephenson: wifi just died |
| 11:59.40 | eagles0513875 | again |
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| 12:02.06 | wstephenson | eagles0513875: line 821 etc |
| 12:02.29 | wstephenson | i don't know what's causing the disconnects |
| 12:02.42 | wstephenson | but on reconnect, NM is not getting the connection secrets back from the applet quickly enough |
| 12:02.56 | wstephenson | does the connection settings dialog come up when it disconnects? |
| 12:03.02 | wstephenson | do you ok it or just ignore it? |
| 12:03.06 | wstephenson | that could cause the timeout |
| 12:03.24 | eagles0513875 | yes asking for the password |
| 12:03.39 | eagles0513875 | and when i type it in it asks for it agan and eventually fails to connect |
| 12:03.50 | eagles0513875 | only way to fix it is to reboot |
| 12:04.08 | wstephenson | eagles0513875: next time, rmmod and modprobe the driver again |
| 12:04.43 | wstephenson | eagles0513875: if that fixes it, it is a driver bug |
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| 12:05.35 | eagles0513875 | ok |
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| 12:08.06 | ttf | hi all.. |
| 12:08.32 | ttf | how can I use kdesvn-kio-plugins in konqueror? |
| 12:09.07 | ttf | I guess I have to use something like ksvn:/svn.example.org but at least ksvn:/ does not work |
| 12:09.25 | ttf | what's the protocol name I have to use in the address bar? |
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| 12:10.27 | peaches | svn probably |
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| 12:11.31 | wstephenson | ttf: read the .protocol file for this svn slave and see what's in its protocol= line |
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| 12:11.44 | ttf | wstephenson: k |
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| 12:11.54 | ttf | peaches: svn did not work either |
| 12:12.27 | Think-Free | Hi ! I've tried kde on windows but there is no kickoff plasmoid and any other menu provided with plasma .. is the use of explorer.exe is already needed ? |
| 12:12.35 | ttf | hmm it does say svn - let me try again.. |
| 12:13.29 | BtbN | I have a problem with Amarok, is this the right place to ask about it? |
| 12:13.30 | peaches | ttf: try running kbuildsycoca4 then restart konq it may not have been run depending on how you installed your package |
| 12:13.47 | peaches | BtbN: yep but #amarok probably better |
| 12:15.41 | Think-Free | anybody ? |
| 12:16.07 | peaches | Think-Free: i like to think i do |
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| 12:16.57 | ttf | if konqueror doesn't know the protocol it automatically searches for the url in google |
| 12:17.00 | JukeBoxHero | kde pauses for a few secs while copying content in excess of 4gb from a external disk to the internal hdd |
| 12:17.09 | JukeBoxHero | is this kde or distro or linux... |
| 12:17.13 | ttf | svn:/foo.bar and svn://foo.bar don't work here |
| 12:17.18 | Think-Free | peaches : ? |
| 12:17.51 | peaches | ttf: probably a konq setting use default google engine search..? i vaguely remember that behavior from 3.5 |
| 12:18.12 | ttf | running 3.5 here - sorry not to have mentioned it before |
| 12:18.29 | ttf | the good old stable version :P |
| 12:18.34 | ttf | runs and hides... |
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| 12:20.31 | wstephenson | JukeBoxHero: the copy progress dialog pauses or the whole desktop? |
| 12:20.42 | JukeBoxHero | the dialog |
| 12:20.48 | peaches | um yeah not really a good idea to ask about archaic versions of any software and assume everyone knows .. |
| 12:21.01 | peaches | ttf: in that case run kbuildsycoca instead |
| 12:21.10 | ttf | I did run both |
| 12:21.16 | peaches | and restart konq |
| 12:21.17 | ttf | peaches: and restarted konqueror |
| 12:21.25 | wstephenson | JukeBoxHero: that's linux, because the buffers used to copy the file get full and take a while to flush to the internal disk |
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| 12:21.29 | peaches | strace konq to make sure it's loading your package .so |
| 12:21.40 | ttf | k |
| 12:21.47 | wstephenson | JukeBoxHero: distros tune linux differently so it's also the distro, but nothing to worry about |
| 12:21.58 | JukeBoxHero | wstephenson: and this buffer space resides in / ? |
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| 12:22.27 | peaches | how old is 3.5 now, like years |
| 12:22.30 | JukeBoxHero | coz i am also low on space in /. just 100mb |
| 12:22.38 | wstephenson | JukeBoxHero: don't quote me, but they are memory buffers used by the kernel, and probably not obviously visible on the filesystem |
| 12:22.52 | JukeBoxHero | alright ty |
| 12:23.30 | wstephenson | JukeBoxHero: do you have > 4Gb of ram? |
| 12:23.47 | JukeBoxHero | have 4gb but 3 is the limitation of the mobo |
| 12:23.49 | wstephenson | how much swap do you have? |
| 12:23.59 | JukeBoxHero | 2gb swap |
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| 12:24.12 | ttf | peaches: what would I look for? I've been grepping for "^open.*svn" |
| 12:24.31 | ttf | the repo I using for testing is svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope/trunk |
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| 12:25.00 | wstephenson | JukeBoxHero: so possibly copying this file is causing a bit of swapping and slowing things down |
| 12:25.20 | ttf | if somebody has the proper syntax to use that repo in konq - pls let me know |
| 12:25.24 | wstephenson | but like i say i'm a pure desktop developer so i have a very abstract view of the kernel :) |
| 12:25.33 | ttf | svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope/trunk nor svn:/svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope/trunk work |
| 12:25.43 | JukeBoxHero | no not really, the working of the desktop doesnt lag or get dragged, its fine, just the copying pauses |
| 12:26.07 | wstephenson | JukeBoxHero: happens to me too, esp in the other direction with 350mb files. don't worry about it. |
| 12:26.18 | wstephenson | probably windows fakes the progress dialog so it looks constant |
| 12:26.21 | JukeBoxHero | ok :) |
| 12:26.26 | peaches | ttf: for all the .so and .desktop files in your package. use strace -e trace=file -f to cut down. and/or check that your KDEDIRS includes the proper .so parent path, youll need to set it after you find out it's not loading |
| 12:26.29 | iwmw | in my understanding ... if mobo supports only 3gb... it will probably fail to load with 4gb worth of ram |
| 12:26.40 | iwmw | no? |
| 12:26.54 | wstephenson | iwmw: no |
| 12:27.00 | iwmw | hm... |
| 12:27.08 | wstephenson | read up on virtual memory |
| 12:27.45 | peaches | i'd like mouse cursor to stop jerking around when disk swap is high, myself :/ |
| 12:28.10 | iwmw | i'm just trying to understand what bothers it to support 4gb if it's capable of 3 already |
| 12:28.18 | ttf | peaches: k - thanks |
| 12:28.20 | wstephenson | ttf: read http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdesdk/kioslave/svn/README?revision=409787&view=markup |
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| 12:28.27 | Half-Left | iwmw: Chipset limitations |
| 12:28.28 | iwmw | 'cause same number of bits to transfer address |
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| 12:29.03 | eagles0513875 | wstephenson: think i found the issue |
| 12:29.37 | iwmw | Half-Left: you mean that it intentionally doesn't allow to access more than 3gb? |
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| 12:30.07 | eagles0513875 | the button that turns the wifi on and off i had it turned off according to dmesage disabled now i enabled it and in dmessage its showing up as enabled wstephenson ill see if it happens again. it kept getting turned on by software according to dmesg |
| 12:30.22 | Half-Left | iwmw: I don't think it's intentional, it's more a design thing |
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| 12:30.46 | iwmw | yeah... that's what i'm trying to understand what in the design you should break to make it 3gb not 4 |
| 12:31.00 | Half-Left | iwmw: Memory taken by other devices and such |
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| 12:31.53 | iwmw | so it does it intentionally :) |
| 12:31.59 | wstephenson | iwmw: first google hit - http://blogs.msdn.com/hiltonl/archive/2007/04/13/the-3gb-not-4gb-ram-problem.aspx |
| 12:32.09 | iwmw | thanks |
| 12:32.49 | iwmw | hey, i know about that |
| 12:33.06 | iwmw | it's not what i'm trying to understand |
| 12:33.39 | wstephenson | so either your OS doesn't support an address space > 4Gb or your chipset was designed with the 32bit OS 4Gb limit in mind, so with no capability to remap pages above 4Gb |
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| 12:33.49 | iwmw | so it's just 32bit-address mobo and it intentionally blocks 4th gb |
| 12:33.58 | wstephenson | glass ceiling |
| 12:34.14 | wstephenson | eagles0513875: there is a hardware switch, a software rfkill switch and a software "disable networking" mode in NetworkManager |
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| 12:34.37 | wstephenson | the software rfkill is deeply buggy in most drivers, and not implemented in a standard way |
| 12:34.59 | wstephenson | so definitely not my problem, i'm going to go code instead :) |
| 12:35.02 | eagles0513875 | wstephenson: had the hardware switch and wifi turned off but the software kept turning it back on so im wondering if that was the conflict |
| 12:35.18 | wstephenson | eagles0513875: sounds plausible |
| 12:35.28 | eagles0513875 | wstephenson: also gonna have down stream dev package a new version of the widget for testing will let you know the out come if i dc again or not |
| 12:35.53 | wstephenson | eg if the hardware switch is not a true hardware switch but just sends an acpi event that the driver intercepts or else it goes through hal |
| 12:36.02 | eagles0513875 | wstephenson: not sure what version of the widget your on but are you able to connect via wired connections |
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| 12:36.09 | wstephenson | eagles0513875: yes |
| 12:36.24 | wstephenson | today's trunk, i'm the developer rememeber? |
| 12:36.28 | eagles0513875 | interesting probably i borked my system lol |
| 12:36.29 | eagles0513875 | ya |
| 12:37.26 | eagles0513875 | will ping wstephenson in a while to let you know the issue |
| 12:37.53 | eagles0513875 | im on protest |
| 12:37.59 | eagles0513875 | basket shouldnt be discontinued :( |
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| 12:40.46 | Half-Left | LOL |
| 12:41.00 | Half-Left | "If Microsoft says we can live in a world without walls and fences, then why would we need Windows and Gates?" |
| 12:41.22 | Half-Left | I like it |
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| 12:44.19 | iwmw | Half-Left: we actually can, but it has to be different world |
| 12:45.01 | iwmw | i won't mind if windows and gates teleport there |
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| 13:01.30 | nille_ | I get an compile error on koffice http://nille.pastebin.com/d6afd79bd any ideas? |
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| 13:02.02 | nille_ | gcc 4.2.4 |
| 13:03.48 | Half-Left | nille_: Ask in #koffice |
| 13:04.13 | nille_ | ooh own channel sorry and thanks |
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| 13:14.44 | estan | anyone know how i can have several interfaces activated at once using the Network Management plasma widget? |
| 13:15.15 | estan | i have eth0, eth1 and wlan0, and i want the two wired ones to have a manual fixed IP and wlan0 to use DHCP. |
| 13:16.10 | estan | i've added eth0 and eth1 in the settings under wired, but i nothing happens when i try to activate them by clicking on them in the management widget. |
| 13:16.26 | estan | or can the widget only manage one interface at a time? |
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| 13:17.04 | twouters | I'm using konqueror 4.2.3 and there seems to be a problem with google suggest. When I press down to select one of the suggests, it skips the first and and selects the second suggest. |
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| 13:19.27 | JukeBoxHero | is it necessary to install OS only on 7200 rpms disks? |
| 13:19.52 | JukeBoxHero | i got a green caviar WD 1TB and i feel i should have gone for the black one |
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| 13:22.37 | wstephenson | estan: NM can manage multiple interfaces at a time |
| 13:22.52 | wstephenson | but there is no way in the widget to activate a connection on a specific interface atm |
| 13:23.18 | wstephenson | therefore eth* and wlan* can be active at the same time but not eth0 and eth1 |
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| 13:25.43 | estan | wstephenson: hm. no way to activate a connection on a specific interface? but how can i then even change from wireless to wired? |
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| 13:26.10 | wstephenson | estan: NM tries to activate every possible connection simultaneosly |
| 13:26.11 | wstephenson | +u |
| 13:26.33 | wstephenson | and gives the defaultroute to wired before wireless |
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| 13:27.35 | estan | hm. okay.. is there any way to tell NM to not touch my eth0 and eth1 ? then i could set up those two fixed IPs the debian/*buntu way old school way maybe.. |
| 13:27.37 | wstephenson | estan: but connections are typed (wired, wireless) etc so you only see wired connections next to the wired interface etc |
| 13:27.49 | wstephenson | yes, but it varies from distro to distro |
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| 13:28.13 | wstephenson | use your distro tools to tell NM these interfaces are exempt |
| 13:28.27 | estan | alright. |
| 13:31.45 | milian | is there a special channel for KDE 4 on debian? |
| 13:32.08 | milian | I got a strange problem (a KCM is missing - I can't configure my keyboard (i.e. numpad on when starting KDE etc.) ) |
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| 13:40.23 | |aleph0| | hello there. |
| 13:40.37 | |aleph0| | I recently had a second monitor connected to my laptop. now my main plasma panel has disappeared, and I believe that it is simply position outside my visible desktop. Is there any way I can (1) verify this hypothesis (2) move the panel back into my visible space without connecting a second monitor. |
| 13:40.44 | |aleph0| | I tried reading into the plasma config files, but I got confused. |
| 13:40.50 | |aleph0| | I had twinview with two screens next to each other. I think the panel is on the other virtual screen even though it is no longer active. |
| 13:41.34 | |aleph0| | in nvidia-settings I enable and disable twinview. when it was enabled the panel appeared on the external monitor I click-and-dragged it back to my laptop. then, when I was back at home I disabled twinview and now I can't see my panel anymore.... where can I control panel positioning (not with click and drag) |
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| 13:46.28 | |aleph0| | where is the panel positioning stored in config files, and how can I change it? |
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| 13:48.07 | annma | |aleph0|: can't you positin it with the config dialog? |
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| 13:48.45 | |aleph0| | which config dialog? |
| 13:48.56 | annma | the panel one? |
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| 13:49.07 | |aleph0| | how do I get to it if I can't see the panel? |
| 13:49.32 | annma | where is your panel then? |
| 13:49.35 | |aleph0| | I only know how to start the config dialog by clicking on the peanut at the side of the panel. |
| 13:49.52 | |aleph0| | the panel is not visible. I believe it is outside my visible workspace. |
| 13:50.03 | |aleph0| | I need to change its position in the config files. |
| 13:50.12 | |aleph0| | (this is just a hypothesis though) |
| 13:50.42 | freeedrich| | |aleph0|: there is a bug report about that one already |
| 13:50.51 | freeedrich| | |aleph0|: aseigo is looking into fixing it iirc |
| 13:51.12 | annma | |aleph0|: look in $KDEHOME/share/config |
| 13:52.09 | |aleph0| | I've been looking at .kde/share/config/plasmarc and .kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc but I don't really understand those files... :( |
| 13:52.30 | |aleph0| | do you happen to know the bug ID? |
| 13:52.37 | annma | do you need to keep your desktop config? |
| 13:52.46 | annma | if not, just backup the files |
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| 13:53.22 | annma | |aleph0|: is it trunk? |
| 13:53.44 | |aleph0| | nah, kubuntu jaunty jackalope |
| 13:54.43 | annma | so this is 4.2 something |
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| 13:55.23 | |aleph0| | 4.2.2 correct |
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| 14:01.07 | |aleph0| | I actually belive that I have two panels active at the moment, but only one of them is visible. how can I confirm this in the plamsarc? |
| 14:01.18 | |aleph0| | what do I look for? |
| 14:01.34 | annma | plasma-desktop-appletsrc |
| 14:01.43 | annma | can you pastebin it please? |
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| 14:03.07 | estan | anyone know if it's possible to have the kwallet automatically opened when you log in? it's kind of annoying to have to type in the password again every time i log in (since the Network Management widget tries to open it when it needs to connect to my encrypted wlan). |
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| 14:04.35 | |aleph0| | here it is (plasma-appletsrc) |
| 14:04.38 | |aleph0| | http://pastebin.com/d3a6f68aa |
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| 14:08.23 | annma | you have many stuff on your desktop |
| 14:08.48 | annma | search for plugin=panel |
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| 14:08.57 | annma | just above you have the geometry |
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| 14:09.12 | annma | [Containments][3] |
| 14:09.22 | annma | geometry=0,-48,1440,42 |
| 14:09.45 | annma | 1440 is the width and 42 the height, does it make sense? |
| 14:10.09 | |aleph0| | I guess so. my screen is 1440 by 900 |
| 14:10.18 | annma | :) |
| 14:10.27 | annma | so that's one panel |
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| 14:11.10 | |aleph0| | the thing is that I thought my panel was gone, so I started adding them back on the visible screen before I noticed that I probably have two. maybe thatÅ why the ocnfig file isnow overly confusing |
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| 14:11.59 | |aleph0| | on line 255 there is a wallpaper being set. this is not my wallpaper. this was the wallpaper only when I had the second screen attached. |
| 14:12.15 | |aleph0| | [Containments][34] |
| 14:12.18 | |aleph0| | whatever that means |
| 14:12.32 | annma | this config was kept |
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| 14:13.28 | annma | [Containments][54] |
| 14:13.30 | annma | geometry=11446,-41,1440,35 |
| 14:13.44 | |aleph0| | yes, I see it. |
| 14:13.46 | annma | this 11446 seems wrong |
| 14:14.13 | annma | but if you have 2 screens some time then it's getting a bit too complicated |
| 14:14.19 | annma | for me |
| 14:14.21 | annma | ;) |
| 14:14.22 | |aleph0| | ok. let me change that to 0. |
| 14:14.29 | |aleph0| | me too |
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| 14:14.42 | |aleph0| | let me see what setting it to zero does... hang on |
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| 14:15.41 | TPC | hello, I'm trying to compile a multilib kde4, but I'm having some problems with kdesupport |
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| 14:16.25 | annma | what problems? |
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| 14:16.40 | TPC | the 32-bit compile of kdesupport went fine, but then the 64-bit compile finds the 32-bit libsoprano in /usr/lib and thinks it can link to that instead of building the 64-bit version of libsoprano |
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| 14:16.54 | TPC | and since linking to the 32-bit version obviously fails the compiule won't finish |
| 14:17.51 | TPC | so I need some way to tell cmake that it can't use the 32-bit libsoprano and need to build the 64-bit library, but I have no idea how to do that |
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| 14:18.08 | |aleph0| | is fighting with plasma-appletrc |
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| 14:18.39 | annma | there's a cmake flag for it, TPC ask in #kde-devel |
| 14:18.56 | TPC | ok |
| 14:19.03 | annma | TPC: just ask how to tell cmake to find a soprano lib |
| 14:19.14 | annma | and not take the one in /usr/lib |
| 14:19.26 | TPC | ok |
| 14:19.36 | annma | I never remember these cmake flags |
| 14:20.17 | pinotree | TPC: -DLIB_SUFFIX=64 |
| 14:20.23 | TPC | pinotree, I already have that one |
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| 14:24.52 | |aleph0| | does anybody know what the four fields if the "geometry=a,b,c,d" setting in plasmaconfig stand for? |
| 14:25.28 | annma | c is width and d is height |
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| 14:25.46 | annma | a and b are position but I don't know relative to what |
| 14:26.03 | annma | maybe ask in #plasma |
| 14:26.10 | |aleph0| | ok. thank you. |
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| 14:31.14 | cYmen2 | Can I set environment variables for kde somewhere? |
| 14:31.37 | TPC | cYmen2, what distro? |
| 14:31.48 | cYmen2 | opensuse |
| 14:31.52 | TPC | no idea then |
| 14:32.11 | cYmen2 | why what would you have suggested? |
| 14:32.17 | TPC | debian-derived distros have /etc/environment, maybe suse have something similar? |
| 14:32.35 | cYmen2 | hm...I don't know let's see ;) |
| 14:33.03 | TPC | otherwise just setting it in /etc/profile might work I guess |
| 14:33.24 | TPC | not sure if that gets read if you start kde from kdm as opposed to startx |
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| 14:52.40 | tuxick | today my other kde4 system lost its keyboard |
| 14:52.51 | tuxick | this bug is going for the record |
| 14:53.22 | tuxick | at least that ruled out nvidia |
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| 14:53.48 | annma | what system? trunk? |
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| 14:55.04 | tuxick | at 4.2.2 here |
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| 14:55.07 | tuxick | atm |
| 14:55.23 | tuxick | it's been happening on all previous ones as well |
| 14:55.38 | tuxick | both systems are gentoo, but that too doesn't seem to be the clue |
| 14:55.49 | tuxick | according to bugtracker |
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| 14:56.16 | tuxick | it's very hard to find a cause/trigger |
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| 14:59.35 | tuxick | especially since the keyboard stops working :) |
| 15:00.03 | tuxick | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171685 |
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| 15:00.49 | krish | hi |
| 15:01.00 | krish | i want to assign kmenu pop up to super key |
| 15:01.02 | krish | how can I do it |
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| 15:04.01 | nsahoo | hi .. |
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| 15:04.20 | nsahoo | do you know how to move a window around the desktop using keyboard? |
| 15:04.42 | pinotree | alt+f3, move |
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| 15:05.25 | PetardGA | <PetardGA> with kmail |
| 15:05.25 | PetardGA | <PetardGA> 1 i have an identity for work and can get my work email |
| 15:05.25 | PetardGA | , but it uses the default transport to send |
| 15:05.25 | PetardGA | , even if I set it to use the work server, |
| 15:05.25 | PetardGA | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.02 | nsahoo | isn't there a keyboard short cut to move a window left or right ? |
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| 15:08.21 | draugdel_ | nsahoo: look at "system settings->global keyboard shortcuts->kwin->pack window ..." |
| 15:09.13 | PetardGA | let me start over |
| 15:09.16 | PetardGA | mispasted |
| 15:09.22 | nsahoo | draugdel_: thanks .. |
| 15:09.33 | PetardGA | I am having a problem with kmail identities |
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| 15:09.57 | PetardGA | kmail 1.8.2 |
| 15:10.02 | nsahoo | draugdel_: thats great but, wondering if I can tell it to move up/down by say 10pixel |
| 15:10.17 | PetardGA | i have an identity for my work account and can get my mail from it |
| 15:10.38 | PetardGA | but sending, it uses the transport from the default id |
| 15:10.44 | PetardGA | which is donw at the moment |
| 15:11.01 | krish | anyone? |
| 15:11.11 | krish | setting kmenu popup to super key |
| 15:11.14 | krish | anyone? |
| 15:11.15 | PetardGA | i have the right server set in setting but it still used the default transport |
| 15:11.42 | PetardGA | any ideas? |
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| 15:13.49 | draugdel_ | nsahoo: setting "system settings->global keyboard shortcuts->kwin->move window" and arrow keys? |
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| 15:14.08 | draugdel_ | krish: kde4.2? |
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| 15:14.13 | pinotree | nsahoo: i told you 10m ago: <pinotree> alt+f3, move |
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| 15:15.20 | nsahoo | I was looking for something like the nudge action described here http://old.fluxbox.org/docs/en/newdoc.keybindings.php |
| 15:15.34 | krish | draugdel_: nah, 3.5.9 |
| 15:15.48 | krish | i am in kcontrol - accessibility |
| 15:15.54 | draugdel_ | can't check it then |
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| 15:16.02 | krish | i can assign alternate shortcuts but sigh, it aint taking 1 key |
| 15:16.11 | krish | it needs a combination |
| 15:16.48 | deitarion | How do I remove "zombie" tasks from the Plasma notification stream? |
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| 15:19.21 | harry_ | is there a way to get programs in the panel to be visible on a 'per desktop' basis? |
| 15:20.11 | deitarion | harry_: Right-click an empty area of the taskbar, click "Task Manager Settings", and check the "Only show tasks from the current desktop" checkbox. |
| 15:20.19 | draugdel_ | right click the task manager plasmoid ->settings -> only show tasks from the current desktop |
| 15:20.23 | draugdel_ | too slow :( |
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| 15:21.33 | harry_ | oh thank you both, so very much! |
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| 15:24.36 | harry_ | ok, i got another.. |
| 15:24.57 | harry_ | system monitor temperature plasmoid..... |
| 15:25.08 | harry_ | can i get that in engrish? |
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| 15:26.07 | szal | in Eng_r_ish? |
| 15:26.11 | draugdel_ | yes you can, since it is in english for me |
| 15:26.39 | harry_ | should i say fahrenheit? |
| 15:26.45 | draugdel_ | ah |
| 15:27.28 | draugdel_ | don't know that |
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| 15:28.19 | deitarion | harry_: I find it refreshing to see something in Celsius by default, to be honest. It's annoying that one stubborn country often ends up dictating incorrect defaults to the whole rest of the world. (save zero to six countries, depending on the antiquated system of measurement in question) |
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| 15:29.38 | harry_ | deitarion: i agree, but it should be an option |
| 15:30.24 | deitarion | harry_: Of course, but most of this stuff is written by people who polished up and shared something they wrote for themselves. |
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| 15:30.42 | deitarion | Adding Fahrenheit may not have occurred to them or they may have been too busy. |
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| 15:31.48 | harry_ | I hate that my country still uses the system, especially what i had to learn in grade school 30 years ... which appear to be (to me) for no good reason |
| 15:32.29 | harry_ | s/what/when |
| 15:32.43 | harry_ | err |
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| 15:32.52 | harry_ | 30 years ago... |
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| 15:33.34 | harry_ | but it is what it is, i guess... maybe i should submit a feature request |
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| 15:34.30 | deitarion | Probably a good idea. A lot of developers use their bug trackers as "I've got 15 minutes to burn. What should I work on?" TODO lists. |
| 15:34.31 | harry_ | or drag celsius conversion out of the mental archives |
| 15:35.04 | deitarion | (By "a lot", I'm referring to developers in general since I don't really know any KDE developers as friends) |
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| 16:17.51 | schafi | I'm using kde 4.2.2 - is it possible to display a birthday entry of my adressbook people in korganizer? |
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| 16:18.27 | marco | what about widget explorer for 4.3 ? |
| 16:19.51 | Jucato | schafi: yep. make sure that Settings -> Sidebar -> Show Resource View is enabled, then in the Resource sidebar, click on the + button to add a new resource, then select "Birthdays from KAddressBook" form the list |
| 16:19.56 | Jucato | s/form/from/ |
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| 16:20.37 | schafi | Jucato: THANKS alot!! it works :-) |
| 16:20.52 | Jucato | of course it does. I use it myself ;) |
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| 16:37.15 | jseabold | Hi all, using Kubuntu Jaunty and KDE 4.2.2. I was wondering where I could change the system wide charset in KDE. I don't see it in System Settings anywhere, and am getting weird characters when I try to build some software from source. |
| 16:37.16 | jseabold | It's default according to Konsole is ISO-8859-1 and I think I'd rather be using UTF-8. Any ideas or suggestions? |
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| 16:39.31 | jair | I am using sled 10 sp2 and after a while running a couple of server applications I get an error message about making sure the "dcopserver" is running does this have anything to do with KDE? |
| 16:42.03 | rdieter | jair: dcopserver is be part of the kde3 runtime, but should be autostarted ondemand. |
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| 16:42.43 | jair | rdieter: what can be the command to restart it manually or monitor make sure does not stop running |
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| 16:47.35 | jair | rdieter: thank you |
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| 17:51.58 | xenoterracide | lots of memory leaks fixed... |
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| 17:59.06 | dartmouth | hi, how do i change the kde menu icon in kde4? |
| 17:59.21 | dartmouth | google is only showing ~kde3 fixes for this |
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| 18:02.12 | dartmouth | I just hate that little blue "K" |
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| 18:02.39 | annma | you right click on it -> Application Launcher Settings |
| 18:02.58 | dartmouth | and? |
| 18:03.00 | annma | General then click on the icon |
| 18:03.10 | annma | I run pre 4.3 though |
| 18:03.17 | annma | so maybe you do not have it |
| 18:03.20 | dartmouth | yeah it's not there |
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| 18:09.37 | xerox1 | is it already possible to change the color of the task bar on kde 4 without changing the plasma theme? |
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| 18:13.20 | ironfroggy_ | Is there a desktop pager alternative that actually shows a screenshot? |
| 18:13.27 | kdepepo | the theme defines the colors, themes are just graphics files, no programs |
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| 18:16.55 | dartmouth | jesus, how do i change this icon? |
| 18:17.08 | dartmouth | does kde4 only allow the big scary blue "K"? |
| 18:17.35 | _Phlogi | how can I set a proxy just for one kde (4) app (amarok)? |
| 18:18.02 | dartmouth | _Phlogi: that sounds like it would need to be set within amarok |
| 18:18.17 | _Phlogi | dartmouth: hmm why? Does amarok not make use of the proxy settings? |
| 18:18.21 | xerox1 | kdepepo, hm can you give me a hint to the concrete file? |
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| 18:25.13 | misun | hh |
| 18:25.22 | xerox1 | files like .kde/share/apps/desktoptheme/tragedy/colors don't contain settings for the task bar as it seams |
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| 18:28.23 | lbt | hey - anyone know of a kde-embedded <grin>. I'm working on Qt for Mer (Maemo/N8x0 devices) and I have seen QTablet (http://qtablet.laginen.net/doku.php) and I'd like to see if there was anything else.... |
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| 18:31.18 | SSJ_GZ | lbt: Head on over tp #kde-devel and see if "Mek" is around. |
| 18:31.27 | SSJ_GZ | He seems to be online, but afk atm. |
| 18:31.35 | reinhold | Does anyone know what might be wrong if clicking on a http://... link in a mail or starting such a link in krunner downloads the file and opens the temp file on disk rather than the URL? |
| 18:31.37 | lbt | SSJ_GZ: will do ... ta |
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| 18:31.51 | SSJ_GZ | lbt: It's not exactly "embedded", but he's run KDE4 on N810. |
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| 18:32.25 | lbt | Ah, I was looking for efforts to strip it down to be manageable on the device... |
| 18:32.31 | lbt | so work on touch UI |
| 18:32.40 | lbt | and maybe minimal daemons |
| 18:32.46 | lbt | (power usage issues) |
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| 18:32.58 | SSJ_GZ | lbt: Ah, right - I *think* he used more or less stock KDE4. |
| 18:32.59 | lbt | but keeping core KDE compatibility |
| 18:33.14 | SSJ_GZ | lbt: But #kde-devel is probably a good place to ask, anyway ;) |
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| 18:33.25 | lbt | OK thanks |
| 18:33.51 | kdepepo | xerox1, the colors are _in_ the graphics files |
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| 18:34.20 | SSJ_GZ | lbt: aseigo (Plasma lead) also has interests in tailoring the shell for different form-factors. |
| 18:34.51 | lbt | jots down some names |
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| 18:36.35 | xerox1 | kdepepo, aha, let's have a look |
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| 18:41.35 | EspadaV8 | hey, i was wondering if there were any live cds containing the kde 4.3 beta, or if there would be any produced |
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| 18:49.37 | kdepepo | EspadaV8, its just tagged, expect the images in a week |
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| 18:52.12 | EspadaV8 | yay, cool :-) |
| 18:53.04 | EspadaV8 | i'm still running 3.5.10, not sure if i should spend the time emerging 4.2.3 or wait for 4.3 (it's an old computer and likes to take its time) |
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| 18:55.05 | kdepepo | its your decision when to make the switch |
| 18:55.23 | EspadaV8 | yeah, why i'd rather see 4.2.3 on a live cd |
| 18:55.41 | kdepepo | 4.2.3 is |
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| 18:56.48 | Skrot- | Nevermind, apparently a new plug-in to kwin |
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| 18:58.31 | dartmouth | my 'explode' plugin is not working how do i troubleshoot this? |
| 18:58.38 | dartmouth | it did work |
| 18:58.42 | dartmouth | but now it does not |
| 18:58.57 | dartmouth | also my 'sphere' and 'cylinder' plugins dont work |
| 18:59.49 | SSJ_GZ | dartmouth: What about general transparency effects, etc? |
| 19:00.15 | SSJ_GZ | dartmouth: Sphere and Cylinder are OpenGL only, IIRC, whereas many simpler effects will work with Xrender. |
| 19:00.24 | dartmouth | i have general transparency |
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| 19:00.56 | SSJ_GZ | dartmouth: Could be that the settings have reverted to using XRender instead of OpenGL. |
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| 19:04.07 | dartmouth | advanced panel shoes OpenGL is selected |
| 19:06.34 | SSJ_GZ | dartmouth: Hmmm. I'm out of ideas then; sorry :/ |
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| 19:07.00 | ChemBro | hi there, I have a problem with powerdevil in kde 4.2.3, I cannot choose a energy profile |
| 19:07.36 | ChemBro | or i can choose it (with the plasmoid), but it doesn't keep the choice |
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| 19:07.55 | ChemBro | it always selects the profile "" |
| 19:07.55 | annma | and the rest of KDE keeps its settings? |
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| 19:08.04 | ChemBro | yes |
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| 19:08.51 | annma | th eprofile is chosen correctly at first |
| 19:08.57 | annma | what is profile "" |
| 19:09.06 | ChemBro | that's nothing |
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| 19:09.16 | annma | I do not have such a profile |
| 19:09.33 | ChemBro | i don't have it either, but kde chose it |
| 19:09.35 | annma | I have "Performance" "Powersave" ... |
| 19:09.40 | annma | how come? |
| 19:09.41 | ChemBro | after the update |
| 19:09.46 | annma | where doe sit choose it? |
| 19:09.57 | annma | update of what |
| 19:10.01 | ChemBro | kde |
| 19:10.08 | ChemBro | 4.2.2 --> 4.2.3 |
| 19:10.15 | annma | distro? |
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| 19:10.30 | ChemBro | arch/kdemod/chakra |
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| 19:10.45 | annma | ask if other people have the same |
| 19:10.51 | annma | try a brand new user |
| 19:11.16 | ChemBro | okay |
| 19:13.37 | annma | also can you pastebin the plasma-desktop-appletsrc file |
| 19:13.59 | annma | after setting for example powersave as profile |
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| 19:14.13 | annma | and waiting for 2 or 3 minutes |
| 19:14.27 | annma | the rc file is in $KDEHOME/share/config |
| 19:14.51 | ChemBro | okay |
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| 19:17.31 | white_gecko | hello |
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| 19:17.44 | white_gecko | where can i get the akonadi resource for google calender? |
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| 19:24.09 | ChemBro | annma: http://pastebin.com/m56616a99 |
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| 19:27.22 | annma | ChemBro: in the same config/ dir there's a powerdevilrc file, please also pastebin |
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| 19:30.32 | ChemBro | new user results in: no powerdevil-profile avaible |
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| 19:31.34 | annma | check with your distro about that |
| 19:31.46 | annma | you miss something |
| 19:32.40 | ChemBro | powerdevilrc http://pastebin.com/m4a1a0f5a |
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| 19:34.57 | annma | if you have no profile for a new user then there is a problem |
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| 19:35.50 | ChemBro | i'll ask them (arch/kdemod) |
| 19:36.07 | ChemBro | thx for your help |
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| 20:23.23 | tsb_ | Damnit. From time to time my keyboard just stops working in KDE4.2. I have to log out and in again to make it work again. Known bug? |
| 20:24.26 | zak | :3 |
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| 20:28.11 | Geek`N`Proud | tsb_, relying on HAL for hardware support with X? |
| 20:28.42 | Geek`N`Proud | if you rely on the HAL method and it brainfarts then you lose all keyboard support |
| 20:28.53 | tsb_ | Geek`N`Proud, I don't think so.. but who knows! :) |
| 20:28.56 | Geek`N`Proud | that said the same would happen with the mouse too in theory |
| 20:30.23 | tsb_ | Geek`N`Proud, the mouse works fine. I'm running arch. I have "Enable keyboard layouts" in kde settings. |
| 20:30.32 | tsb_ | "generic 105-key model" |
| 20:31.11 | Geek`N`Proud | tsb_ my way to avoid instability with keyboard and mouse was a custom Xorg config |
| 20:31.28 | Geek`N`Proud | and i'm on ArchLinux with KDE 4.2 with over 2 week uptimes |
| 20:33.34 | Geek`N`Proud | tsb, use X -configure and add "AutoAddDevices" "False" Option to the config and try that as the config |
| 20:33.54 | Geek`N`Proud | then add the options for what you need keyboard layout-wise |
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| 20:38.03 | tsb_ | Geek`N`Proud, I actually have autoadddevices set to false |
| 20:38.22 | Geek`N`Proud | hmmm freaky |
| 20:38.31 | Geek`N`Proud | if you have a similar setup to me then Iunno |
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| 20:53.57 | Geek`N`Proud | One thing that really annoys me now... when Konqueror bails it takes the whole screen with it! |
| 20:54.15 | Geek`N`Proud | Like I have to pkill it in the command prompt to be able to use the desktop again |
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| 20:55.00 | ruediger | hi |
| 20:56.05 | Geek`N`Proud | hi ruediger |
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| 20:56.51 | ruediger | I really like KDE 4. But the print dialog totally sucks. I even use evince when I want to print something. Will the print dialog in KDE 4.3 be any better? (e.g. have the print odd/even pages option back) |
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| 21:56.11 | ian|_ | Is there any newsticker widget like in KDE3 for KDE4? (A *SINGLE LINE* scrolling newsticker, suitable for a panel). The two rss aggregator plasma applets seems to not offer a single line display. |
| 21:57.23 | walth | we |
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| 22:37.19 | Mloopy | Hi, can anybody tell me how to enable "now listening" support for amarok in Kmess? |
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| 23:26.05 | yao_ziyuan | let me complain something |
| 23:26.08 | yao_ziyuan | kde's slow |
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| 23:26.48 | yao_ziyuan | anyone here using kubuntu 9.04? |
| 23:27.01 | yao_ziyuan | is the slowness caused by kubuntu or kde itself? |
| 23:27.21 | yao_ziyuan | and what distro w/ kde do kde people here most recommend? |
| 23:27.46 | Ace2017_- | plasma doesn't really work that well with other window managers does it? |
| 23:28.21 | Ace2017_- | it can't properly track the active window with compiz as the active window manager |
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| 23:29.01 | Frogbarf | Where can I change the default encoding used by kde 4.2? |
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| 23:30.49 | szal | in the system locale, I suppose |
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| 23:31.08 | Frogbarf | what does that mean? |
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| 23:31.21 | Frogbarf | What is a locale? |
| 23:31.24 | AlexJCioffi | hey |
| 23:31.28 | Ace2017_- | ok i think stasks is just being buggy |
| 23:31.28 | AlexJCioffi | i need help |
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| 23:31.37 | Ace2017_- | either that or stasks being on the side of the screen |
| 23:31.48 | psi-jack | What could possibly be causing plasma to always use up 100% cpu time? |
| 23:31.59 | Frogbarf | a slow cpu? |
| 23:31.59 | AlexJCioffi | how do i get to a room on ubuntu |
| 23:32.12 | Ace2017_- | psi-jack: its the calender, get rid of it |
| 23:32.23 | Frogbarf | AlexJCioffi: what do you mean by a "room"? does anyone speak English here? |
| 23:32.29 | psi-jack | Frogbarf: Nope.. That's not it.. It's a Pentium 4 HT 2.8 GHz |
| 23:32.39 | psi-jack | Ace2017_-: Bingo. That fixed it. |
| 23:32.42 | AlexJCioffi | whatever. how do i get theree, you know what i mean |
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| 23:32.45 | Frogbarf | psi-jack: what does a top do? |
| 23:33.02 | psi-jack | Frogbarf: That's what showed me plasma constantly took 100% CPU. heh |
| 23:33.05 | Ace2017_- | actually there is a program better than top |
| 23:33.12 | Frogbarf | AlexJCioffi: Are you talking about IRC channels (aolspeak "chatrooms") |
| 23:33.19 | Ace2017_- | argh, i've forgotten the name :( |
| 23:33.27 | AlexJCioffi | yes, rooms. sorry i shortened it. |
| 23:33.48 | Frogbarf | AlexJCioffi: what chat client are you using? |
| 23:33.54 | AlexJCioffi | konversation |
| 23:34.07 | AlexJCioffi | actually maybe you can answer my question |
| 23:34.08 | Frogbarf | type /channelname |
| 23:34.12 | Frogbarf | oopps |
| 23:34.21 | Frogbarf | oop /join channelname |
| 23:34.31 | Ace2017_- | if only there was a way to control how fast the panels autohide |
| 23:34.32 | psi-jack | Ace2017_-: Ksysguard? ;) |
| 23:34.42 | AlexJCioffi | hello |
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| 23:35.04 | Ace2017_- | no it was a command line app |
| 23:35.18 | Frogbarf | loosk like qps |
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| 23:36.38 | Frogbarf | ksysguard seems nice |
| 23:37.14 | psi-jack | Yeah, ksysguard is pretty decent with KDE-mindedness. |
| 23:37.31 | Frogbarf | have you used qps? |
| 23:37.40 | psi-jack | Nope. |
| 23:37.52 | Frogbarf | looks very similar but not as kdepretty-like |
| 23:38.03 | Ace2017_- | atop!!!! |
| 23:38.09 | Ace2017_- | that was the app, atop |
| 23:38.28 | Frogbarf | hmmm |
| 23:38.51 | Frogbarf | I think i've tried to install that and always failed. |
| 23:38.52 | psi-jack | Ace2017_-: Heh, and not even on the system. What's it part of? |
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| 23:38.55 | Frogbarf | I'll try again now |
| 23:39.30 | Ace2017_- | psi-jack: debian has packaged it as atop |
| 23:40.06 | Ace2017_- | vnstat is also very useful for network usage, i have only used 11GB this month |
| 23:40.39 | psi-jack | Ace2017_-: Ahhh.. I use OpenSUSE |
| 23:40.57 | Frogbarf | hmm it's not in my distro |
| 23:41.06 | Ace2017_- | no wait thats just today |
| 23:41.20 | Ace2017_- | i think this counter is wrong |
| 23:42.44 | Ace2017_- | no the counter is right |
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| 23:43.59 | Frogbarf | wow, it compiled fast! |
| 23:44.24 | Frogbarf | This here newfangled computer gets me all happy n' shit |
| 23:45.24 | Ace2017_- | Frogbarf: does it work? |
| 23:45.29 | Ace2017_- | i think it needs a kernel patch or two |
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| 23:45.34 | Frogbarf | still checking |
| 23:45.49 | Frogbarf | i compiled the rpm |
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| 23:46.21 | Ace2017_- | Frogbarf: with checkinstall? |
| 23:46.22 | Frogbarf | compiled 64 bit |
| 23:46.30 | Frogbarf | no, i used the src rpm |
| 23:47.17 | Frogbarf | it's working |
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| 23:47.23 | Frogbarf | but no prettyqui |
| 23:47.35 | Ace2017_- | well its a command line app |
| 23:47.45 | Frogbarf | Looks ok |
| 23:47.58 | Frogbarf | is it working for you? |
| 23:48.10 | Ace2017_- | yea it works fine here |
| 23:48.11 | Frogbarf | looks like top on steroids |
| 23:48.25 | Frogbarf | not sure how to read it |
| 23:48.48 | Ace2017_- | manpage to the rescue? |
| 23:49.02 | Frogbarf | gee, why didn't I think of that? |
| 23:49.27 | Frogbarf | What I do like off the bat is the split |
| 23:49.45 | Ace2017_- | what? |
| 23:50.22 | Frogbarf | The bottom half is showing a lot of processes with 0% cpu. It seems useful |
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| 23:51.36 | Frogbarf | The information is easier to look at |
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| 23:52.32 | Ace2017_- | Frogbarf: run atop and press d |
| 23:52.34 | Ace2017_- | it shows disk usage |
| 23:52.45 | Ace2017_- | very enlightening on whats hogging all the IO |
| 23:53.09 | Frogbarf | i tired that and got "No kernel-patch installed"; request ignored |
| 23:53.22 | Ace2017_- | yea for disk IO you need a kernel patch |
| 23:53.41 | Frogbarf | Do have to recompile my kernel for that? |
| 23:53.45 | Ace2017_- | yup |
| 23:53.50 | Frogbarf | that sucks |
| 23:53.51 | Ace2017_- | or switch to debian :D |
| 23:54.11 | Frogbarf | can't be loaded as a module? |
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| 23:55.00 | Ace2017_- | i doubt it, getting io usage per process probably requires patching the kernel directly |
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| 23:55.42 | Frogbarf | Well I guess I've got my work set out for me |
| 23:55.44 | Ace2017_- | its nice to have the colours though, like when cpu is above 90% it goes red and the cpu label blinks |
| 23:56.07 | Ace2017_- | Frogbarf: can't submit a feature request? |
| 23:56.12 | Ace2017_- | to your distro |
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| 23:56.36 | Frogbarf | it's suse, they don't take requests :b |
| 23:56.56 | jad4 | guys... why is the dot feed taking so long to get fixed? |
| 23:57.06 | Ace2017_- | dot feed? |
| 23:57.16 | jad4 | yes rss feed |
| 23:57.23 | Ace2017_- | which rss feed? |
| 23:57.31 | jad4 | go to kde.org |
| 23:57.41 | Ace2017_- | whats wrong with it? |
| 23:57.48 | jad4 | where are the news? |
| 23:57.55 | jad4 | which were usually displayed in kde.org |
| 23:58.16 | Ace2017_- | in the announcements section? |
| 23:58.17 | jad4 | under "Latest News" |
| 23:58.35 | jad4 | Latest News |
| 23:58.37 | jad4 | news headline |
| 23:58.45 | jad4 | ... |
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| 23:58.56 | jad4 | nothing there and it's been like this for ages now |
| 23:59.07 | Ace2017_- | maybe because they've become anouncements? |
| 23:59.15 | jad4 | what? |
| 23:59.35 | jad4 | it's simply the rss feed of dot.kde.org that is not working |
| 23:59.37 | Ace2017_- | i mean kde.org isn't aiming to be like osnews or anything like that |
| 23:59.53 | jad4 | you're new to kde aren't you? |
