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| 00:04.29 | VampirePenguin | evenin all... i have been doing a lot of large file transfers over wifi with ssh/smb and ripping dvds ... as a result dolphin will segfault and/or the /usr/bin/plasma will slowlly build up to a segfualt by emliminating the view of things on the desktop as a whole and i either restart plasma after a killall or its crashes and restarts itself... is there a wrong setting somewhere |
| 00:05.03 | VampirePenguin | thosee segs with no backtraces dialogs are 11 or 15 |
| 00:05.10 | dantti | may I ask why Kvirc at Favourites does not have the proper Icon? |
| 00:05.27 | pinotree | dantti: ? |
| 00:05.59 | dantti | pinheiro: the Kvirc icon is ok at "Internet" but at favourites it's a gear ... :/ |
| 00:06.07 | dantti | Oops |
| 00:06.11 | dantti | pinotree: ^ |
| 00:06.34 | pinotree | .oO(when people realize i don't do icons, will be always too late...) |
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| 00:07.16 | pinotree | how did you install kvirc? sources or distro package? |
| 00:07.27 | dantti | packg distro... debian |
| 00:08.18 | pinotree | could you please paste two things? |
| 00:08.28 | pinotree | a) a list of the files provided with the package |
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| 00:08.50 | pinotree | b) the .desktop file for kvirc, which is somewhere in /usr/share/applications |
| 00:09.40 | reavertm | dantti: if you remove it from favourites and add back - is this icon still screwed? |
| 00:10.23 | dantti | yup.. |
| 00:11.12 | dantti | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/amd64/kvirc/filelist |
| 00:11.12 | reavertm | O_o |
| 00:11.52 | dantti | ? |
| 00:11.58 | reavertm | I don't see any .desktop file there |
| 00:12.40 | dantti | http://pastebin.com/m6c3f36c |
| 00:13.06 | dantti | i think it is /usr/share/menu/kvirc |
| 00:13.20 | nixternal | kdepepo: ping? |
| 00:14.05 | pinotree | dantti: are you sure there's no data package with a .desktop file? |
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| 00:14.49 | dantti | hmm k found http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/kvirc-data/filelist |
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| 00:15.26 | dantti | >>> /usr/share/applnk/Internet/kvirc.desktop |
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| 00:16.00 | dantti | http://pastebin.com/m3caf0300 |
| 00:16.10 | dantti | .desktop file ^^ |
| 00:17.04 | reavertm | it lacks 'Categories' but icon is in place |
| 00:17.14 | kdepepo | nixternal, hi :) |
| 00:17.33 | dantti | yep pretty weird... |
| 00:17.38 | pinotree | uhm, does the problem happen with kvirc only? |
| 00:17.40 | nixternal | kdepepo: great job on 0.2.3 |
| 00:17.58 | dantti | Btw imo when i uninstall an app it should at least hide the icon on favourites... |
| 00:18.00 | nixternal | kdepepo: was wondering, in order for me to use a watch file in debian for it, the releases/ directory needs to be readable |
| 00:18.14 | dantti | pinheiro: it happened with amsn 0.96 iirc |
| 00:18.16 | nixternal | just wondering if you ever planned on making it readable, or are you hiding it on purpose |
| 00:18.23 | dantti | oh crap |
| 00:18.27 | dantti | pinotree: ^ |
| 00:18.45 | dantti | tab is fooling me :P |
| 00:18.59 | kdepepo | nixternal, I have never tried to make it readable ... |
| 00:20.45 | kdepepo | nixternal, I probably have to mess with web provider configuration, as the unix file modes are "rwxr-xr-x" |
| 00:21.23 | nixternal | probably .htaccess |
| 00:22.45 | kdepepo | nixternal, let me try |
| 00:23.06 | dantti | should i file a bug? |
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| 00:28.08 | kdepepo | nixternal, please try :) |
| 00:28.09 | nixternal | kdepepo: there you go :) |
| 00:28.12 | nixternal | it works |
| 00:28.32 | kdepepo | as you see, no secret stuff :) |
| 00:31.35 | nixternal | kdepepo: hehe, thanks a ton, that helps me with the debian & ubuntu packages big time |
| 00:32.00 | kdepepo | nixternal, what would a watch do? say, I put 0.3.0 there, or 0.2.4, or 0.2.3.1, which of those would it pick up? |
| 00:32.43 | kdepepo | 0.x.x.y are not really releases, because I do not test them at all. |
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| 00:36.09 | nixternal | it would pick up which ever of those were the newest |
| 00:36.24 | nixternal | the watch file then lets me know you updated skulpture, so I will get an email telling me to update the package |
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| 00:37.05 | kdepepo | okey, so it does not package automatically. |
| 00:37.35 | kdepepo | but snapshots may be released quite often... I maybe should put them in a different dir? |
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| 00:39.49 | kdepepo | I made an update there (added 0.2.3 ebuild), did it work? |
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| 00:44.34 | VampirePenguin | evenin all... i have been doing a lot of large file transfers over wifi with ssh/smb and ripping dvds ... as a result dolphin will segfault and/or the /usr/bin/plasma will slowlly build up to a segfualt by emliminating the view of things on the desktop as a whole and i either restart plasma after a killall or its crashes and restarts itself... is there a wrong setting somewhere..im on kde 4.2.3 and the segfault err codes are 1 |
| 00:44.34 | VampirePenguin | 1 or 15 no backtrace |
| 00:44.40 | warlock_mza | hello, I'm currently launching kde from startx scripts using startkde |
| 00:45.12 | warlock_mza | is there any reason why I could not be getting shutdown / reboot buttons in the leave area ? |
| 00:45.31 | pinotree | yeah, because there's no supported login manager found in such case |
| 00:45.35 | Fester^ | Only from KDM do you get Shutdown/Reboot |
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| 00:45.59 | pinotree | or gdm < 2.26 |
| 00:46.15 | warlock_mza | Fester^, would that be the reason why qdbus cant tell KSMServer to logout with 0 2 0 (shutdown) ? |
| 00:46.21 | pinotree | yes |
| 00:46.48 | warlock_mza | pinotree, ... ok can I do something to avoid kdm / gdm ?.... like exporting a few things ? |
| 00:46.53 | pinotree | no |
| 00:46.55 | warlock_mza | i really dont want / need kdm |
| 00:48.03 | Fester^ | For all I know it's that X isn't running with any permissions to tell the OS to do anything on that level |
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| 00:48.35 | Fester^ | Using the login manager allows X to retain permissions that it generally doesn't have when started as a user |
| 00:48.51 | warlock_mza | Fester^, ok ... will try to give some permissions |
| 00:49.07 | drantin | isn't it often suid root anyway? |
| 00:49.07 | Fester^ | Don't take my word for it ;-) |
| 00:49.08 | pinotree | will do nothing |
| 00:49.28 | Fester^ | It may only work with a login manager no matter what permissions you have |
| 00:49.30 | Fester^ | *shrugs* |
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| 00:49.58 | warlock_mza | hehe ... ok ... |
| 00:50.00 | warlock_mza | crap :-| |
| 00:50.06 | kdepepo | nixternal, what is a good way to link to the official debian package? I currently use http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kde-style-skulpture.html |
| 00:50.09 | warlock_mza | i really dont want kdm arround |
| 00:51.05 | Fester^ | I used to prefer user login + startx myself, but I wanted the other features so I started using KDM, doesn't bug me anymore |
| 00:52.32 | nixternal | kdepepo: if they are running KDE 4 in Debian, then more than likely they are running unstable, if so then all they have to do is apt-get install it |
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| 00:53.02 | nixternal | I will put the style for Jaunty into a PPA, and then I will request a sync to karmic |
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| 00:54.50 | warlock_mza | ok ... thanks |
| 00:54.51 | kdepepo | nixternal, there are some 0.2.2 ubuntu packages ... |
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| 00:58.08 | nixternal | right, and the person who updated them added a dep that wasn't supposed to be there |
| 00:58.20 | kdepepo | *shrug* |
| 00:58.33 | kdepepo | I just need a good link to put onto the page |
| 00:58.44 | nixternal | I would leave the Debian link as is |
| 00:58.57 | nixternal | for Jaunty I will give you a link as soon as I put them up and they are built |
| 00:59.10 | nixternal | I will leave a message on kde-look for you, is that cool? |
| 01:01.09 | kdepepo | nixternal, yep :) do you plan to address the splitting bug? |
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| 01:13.06 | nixternal | kdepepo: is there a bug somewhere for it? |
| 01:13.23 | kdepepo | nixternal, I mailed you about it: users that do not install kwin-deco get no style config. |
| 01:14.11 | nixternal | hrmm, I hope it wasn't in one of my lost emails |
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| 01:16.58 | kdepepo | nixternal, I can re-sent, wait... |
| 01:17.27 | nixternal | thanks, it was in the archive that died on me it looks like |
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| 01:18.28 | kdepepo | uh oh, just sent it... |
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| 01:19.09 | kdepepo | I hope nothing serious is lost... |
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| 01:27.26 | dantti | pinotree: still there? the weirdness is that on Recently Used the icon is fine :D |
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| 01:41.06 | nixternal | kdepepo: qt4-style-skulpture - give me a description to use? :) |
| 01:43.48 | kdepepo | nixternal, what do you mean? |
| 01:45.40 | nixternal | hehe, was just having some fun there |
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| 01:48.10 | hdevalence_ | How do I set settings for the fonts I want KDE to use? |
| 01:48.22 | sandsmark | nixternal: use a description that describes the style itself, how it looks? :-P |
| 01:48.58 | sandsmark | hdevalence_: system settings â appearance â fonts? |
| 01:49.26 | hdevalence_ | sandsmark: it lets me pick the font, but not its options. |
| 01:49.30 | sandsmark | ? |
| 01:49.43 | sandsmark | what do you mean? |
| 01:50.00 | hdevalence_ | I can choose the one I want (Myriad Pro) but I can't set opentype options like +onum |
| 01:50.12 | sandsmark | what on earth is +onum? |
| 01:50.28 | hdevalence_ | sandsmark: old-style numerals |
| 01:50.33 | sandsmark | huh? |
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| 01:50.55 | sandsmark | shouldn't the whatever rendering whatever render that for you, instead of the font trying to guess for you? |
| 01:51.39 | hdevalence_ | sandsmark: no, because it's an option of how to display the text |
| 01:51.54 | sandsmark | I don't understand |
| 01:51.59 | sandsmark | you mean like roman numerals? |
| 01:52.20 | sandsmark | you can set the digit set |
| 01:52.23 | hdevalence_ | sandsmark: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_figures |
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| 01:53.03 | sandsmark | ah |
| 01:53.43 | sandsmark | there probably isn't an option for it, because ~no fonts support it, and I'm not even sure freetype supports it |
| 01:53.57 | sandsmark | and a miniscule amount of users need it |
| 01:54.24 | hdevalence_ | but *I* want it! |
| 01:54.42 | sandsmark | good for you |
| 01:54.56 | sandsmark | I have no idea how to enable it, sorry |
| 01:55.35 | hdevalence_ | sandsmark: well, let's see. Stuff is painted with Qt, right? So, how does Qt do unicode text rendering? Does it use ICU? |
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| 01:56.05 | sandsmark | on X11 it uses freetype, afik |
| 01:56.07 | sandsmark | *afaik |
| 01:56.17 | sandsmark | so you should ask what freetype uses |
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| 01:59.21 | sandsmark | I don't think it uses ICU |
| 02:00.03 | cramm | Hi guys. Is it possible to add an icon to the kde 4.2.2 panel that starts an application that isn't in the application menus?. |
| 02:00.05 | sandsmark | (does anyone use ICU?) |
| 02:00.25 | Frogbarf | Where can I chane the audio settings such as sampling in kde4? In kde 3 it was acessable from the personal settings. I don't see that any more |
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| 02:09.13 | lindenle | How do i get the network widget in kde4? |
| 02:10.25 | sandsmark | lindenle: ask your distro |
| 02:11.20 | hdevalence_ | sandsmark: whereabouts is the code that handles the font settings for KDE widgets? |
| 02:11.30 | sandsmark | in qt |
| 02:11.56 | sandsmark | but I guess it just hands off the strings and where to render to Xrender? |
| 02:12.16 | hdevalence_ | sandsmark: well it ends up with freetype eventually |
| 02:13.06 | hdevalence_ | sandsmark: I guess what would be a good first step is to figure out how to paint the text with a QPainter the way I want |
| 02:13.29 | sandsmark | well, I guess Qt has some font rendering code |
| 02:13.46 | sandsmark | (for the raster engine, for example) |
| 02:14.18 | hdevalence_ | well, that's something to look into for a summer project |
| 02:16.40 | Frogbarf | where can you set audio sampling in kde4? |
| 02:16.46 | Frogbarf | it was easy in kde3 |
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| 03:21.59 | PeterFA | How do I change the behavior of the taskbar in KDE 4.2? I want to display only the windows on the current desktop. |
| 03:23.19 | j0nas | right click on it.. although it's hard to find a spot if you have too many windows open.. and select task manager settings -> check "only show tasks from the current desktop" |
| 03:23.34 | OldMonk | i have a binary address book that i migrated with great difficulty from kaddressbook/kde3. now whenever i add an address using kaddressbook akonadiserver goes into 100% cpu usage indefinitely. any clue? |
| 03:23.35 | wims | PeterFA, rightclick the taskbar (you have to click between the buttons that indicate running programs), select task manager settings, check only show tasks from the current desktop |
| 03:23.36 | wims | oops |
| 03:23.41 | wims | too slow |
| 03:23.46 | j0nas | :> |
| 03:24.38 | astrobear | where is a kde live cd which has koffice? |
| 03:24.55 | astrobear | i need kword badly |
| 03:25.02 | wims | oh, is it possible to add another taskbar for my secondary monitor that only shows the programs running on that monitor, like ultramon for windows? |
| 03:25.19 | OldMonk | also, is there a better, built-in address book format that i can use? |
| 03:25.43 | astrobear | have been needing it, but kubuntu has issues with the oxygen icon thingie.. a bug that has yet to be fixed in so many months.. anyway, now i have a time sensitive document that needs to be turned in and kword is the only program which allows me to edit pdf files |
| 03:26.17 | j0nas | OldMonk: akonadi using 100% cpu sounds familiar. I don't use much korganizer stuff myself, but search bugs.kde.org and see if you can find a similar report.. |
| 03:26.27 | OldMonk | j0nas: cool, thanks |
| 03:27.31 | j0nas | wims: it should be.. "only show tasks from the current screen" doesn't work? |
| 03:27.53 | wims | j0nas, perhaps, i didnt try to add another panel yet :P |
| 03:28.01 | wims | yeah, im *that* lazy |
| 03:28.05 | j0nas | hah |
| 03:28.26 | j0nas | well until kde can read minds i think you have to manually add it |
| 03:29.16 | OldMonk | astrobear: OOf allows you to edit pdfs, now (in a ghastly fashion) as does evince, i hear |
| 03:29.20 | wims | w00t |
| 03:29.21 | wims | it works |
| 03:29.43 | OldMonk | astrobear: er, OOo lets you edit pdf |
| 03:30.20 | OldMonk | ok, i lied: evince doesn't permit editing |
| 03:30.26 | astrobear | OldMonk: how so? |
| 03:30.43 | astrobear | by first converting to pdf using 'pdf2ps' then opening with ooo? |
| 03:30.48 | OldMonk | astrobear: there's a pdf import plugin |
| 03:30.52 | astrobear | hmm |
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| 03:36.11 | OldMonk | is there some page that explains what that big button on the top right of my desktop is? |
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| 03:37.41 | p_quarles | OldMonk: that is used to configure desktop plasmoids and other plasma settings |
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| 03:38.13 | OldMonk | p_quarles: hmm, now what's a plasma and plasmoids? |
| 03:38.22 | OldMonk | i'm terminology-challenged |
| 03:38.56 | p_quarles | OldMonk: the desktop widgets in KDE4; best way to see is to experiment with the menu that the button in questions brings up |
| 03:39.43 | OldMonk | p_quarles: every time i tried that all i ended up doing was rearranging my desktop icons from theire favourite positions into some linear, military formation :) |
| 03:40.20 | drantin | plasma is the framework, plasmoids are desktop widgets, and the widgets that make up the taskbar |
| 03:40.28 | drantin | etc |
| 03:40.48 | p_quarles | sounds like OldMonk has the desktop set to folder view |
| 03:40.51 | OldMonk | so a plasmoid is a bit like stuff in the system tray, except it's on the desktop? |
| 03:40.59 | OldMonk | p_quarles: what should i set it to? |
| 03:41.00 | drantin | both are plasmoids ;) |
| 03:41.20 | p_quarles | set it to what you like |
| 03:41.25 | OldMonk | drantin: ok, so active icons on the desktop, would that be a correct definition? |
| 03:41.34 | drantin | the button is called the "cashew" btw, like the nut |
| 03:42.11 | p_quarles | OldMonk: Plasma is the desktop shell, essentially; the taskbar, the desktop itself, and all icons/applications/widgets on the desktop make up the plasma framework |
| 03:42.26 | OldMonk | drantin: gesundheit |
| 03:42.28 | OldMonk | ;) |
| 03:42.36 | drantin | amarok 2 uses plasma as well |
| 03:42.38 | drantin | OldMonk: heh |
| 03:42.55 | wims | is it possible to remove the text from the taskbar so it only shows the icons, like in W7? |
| 03:43.34 | drantin | wims: I don't see the option for it |
| 03:43.54 | OldMonk | before i start playing around with atchoo, any way to prevent it from sorting my icons every time i change something in the config? |
| 03:48.02 | OldMonk | also, i found bugs in konsole (minor) and lskat (major). better to report to debian or upstream? |
| 03:48.11 | OldMonk | both need a screenshot |
| 03:49.32 | drantin | if it's something you're unsure about, you could try taking the screenshots and asking the package maintainers for debian whether you should report it upstream or not |
| 03:51.05 | OldMonk | looks like a base problem... OTOH if i have to create a login at kde.org to report a bug i'd rather take the easier way (debian) |
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| 03:58.39 | OldMonk | later |
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| 04:12.39 | Hell-Razor | hey guys does anybody here use the kde overlay? (and is this the place to get support?) |
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| 04:51.56 | Hell-Razor | Hey guys does anybody know what may be causing a evdev error? as far as I know its setup correctly. Ontop of that I am getting a ABI does not match the servers version. I just got done emerging @kdebase-live |
| 04:52.07 | Hell-Razor | http://pastebin.com/m1f03232 |
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| 05:06.31 | Etherael | heyhey |
| 05:07.09 | Etherael | does anyone use KDE as a replacement for windows explorer yet? My googling tells me that such a thing is probably not feasible for a production environment, is this still the case? |
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| 05:10.56 | baobao | kde for windows explorer? |
| 05:11.03 | baobao | kde can run on windows? |
| 05:14.05 | rohanpm | baobao: yes |
| 05:14.18 | rohanpm | for some time now |
| 05:14.21 | XrX|Ewee | old new |
| 05:14.22 | XrX|Ewee | s |
| 05:16.39 | baobao | its same as kde on linux? |
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| 05:18.15 | XrX|Ewee | as far as i understood, it are only kde apps that are working currently |
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| 05:18.50 | baobao | it's actually the compiz that's interesting |
| 05:19.00 | baobao | i wonder if there's compiz for windows |
| 05:19.26 | afd_ | hi! How can I make quassel show channel messages as popup messages? or OSD style... like konversation has them |
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| 06:05.07 | Rasi | hmmmm |
| 06:05.12 | Rasi | something is fuck*d |
| 06:05.24 | Rasi | anyone with trunk care to test something? |
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| 06:13.27 | cmot | Yodel! |
| 06:15.00 | cmot | On a Debian squeeze/sid system with KDE 4.2: I've successfully compiled & installed webkitkdepart (success == no errors on cmake/make/make install) in /usr/local but now Konq won't find it. Copying the webkitkdepart.desktop file to my ~/.kde, Konq now offers it but can't load it with "shared library not found". where do I set the search path so that it finds the lib? |
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| 07:43.26 | Ruperto | good morning, a basic doubt |
| 07:43.30 | Ruperto | if 3.2.85 is beta1, beta2 would be.... |
| 07:44.24 | annma | 3.2.86 |
| 07:45.03 | annma | you mean probably 4.2.85 |
| 07:45.04 | Ruperto | I have 3.3.87 installed and it claims to be still beta1 |
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| 07:45.15 | annma | 3.3.87? |
| 07:45.15 | Ruperto | yes pardon, 4.2.85 sorry |
| 07:45.20 | Vivatma | beta1 |
| 07:45.37 | Ruperto | beta2 would be 4.2.8X? |
| 07:45.46 | annma | no |
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| 07:45.53 | annma | there were maybe snapshots |
| 07:46.00 | annma | I am at 4.2.88 right now |
| 07:46.06 | Ruperto | ok, then beta2 what number shourd be then |
| 07:46.09 | annma | so the snapshots filled the gaps |
| 07:46.14 | annma | depends |
| 07:46.30 | annma | anything between 89 and 99 |
| 07:46.44 | Ruperto | jaja you are not sure then? |
| 07:46.53 | annma | KDE: 4.2.88 (KDE 4.2.88 (KDE 4.3 >= 20090527)) |
| 07:46.57 | annma | today ^^ |
| 07:47.05 | Ruperto | is there a big big difference between .87 and .88? |
| 07:47.07 | j0nas | its gonna be 4.2.x |
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| 07:47.19 | annma | 89<=x<=99 |
| 07:47.26 | j0nas | why do you need the exact numbers anyway. foo cares |
| 07:47.32 | annma | the difference is bug fixes |
| 07:47.49 | Ruperto | i know but any big that worths recompilation? |
| 07:48.00 | j0nas | still plenty |
| 07:48.28 | annma | Ruperto: if nothing annoys you, then keep it that way |
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| 07:48.47 | annma | if you run trunk Iencourage you to issue bug reports |
| 07:49.05 | Ruperto | ok, just kopete bug but i can live with it, I've already reported |
| 07:49.39 | annma | I hit a bug every 5 seconds |
| 07:50.04 | blauzahl | if that bug keeps you from doing something important that you do, then yes. ;) |
| 07:54.35 | Ruperto | ok |
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| 08:44.34 | xxtjaxx | hi every ohne+ |
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| 08:45.18 | annma | a xxtjaxx |
| 08:45.32 | annma | you did not follow the kde-devel mailing list thread |
| 08:45.44 | xxtjaxx | hi annma |
| 08:45.54 | xxtjaxx | Uhm I didnt get an email yet |
| 08:46.26 | xxtjaxx | Or is there a website i should look at?= |
| 08:47.05 | annma | you are not subscribed to the list? |
| 08:47.12 | xxtjaxx | I am |
| 08:47.29 | annma | you sent your eamil |
| 08:47.31 | annma | email |
| 08:47.32 | xxtjaxx | I think that I am I mean i get the mail as digest .- |
| 08:47.36 | xxtjaxx | yes |
| 08:47.58 | annma | http://lists.kde.org/?t=124350312500003&r=1&w=2 |
| 08:48.03 | annma | please do follow up |
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| 08:48.20 | xxtjaxx | Oh Im sorry |
| 08:49.52 | xxtjaxx | ok annma ... |
| 08:50.37 | xxtjaxx | Well I expected gwenview to open just one instance showing me the pictures in a slide such as the one you get whenn you click show |
| 08:50.50 | xxtjaxx | you know? |
| 08:51.40 | annma | no |
| 08:51.48 | annma | you click show where? |
| 08:52.41 | annma | xxtjaxx: open GwenView |
| 08:52.43 | xxtjaxx | in gwenview |
| 08:52.52 | annma | where is Show in GwenView? |
| 08:53.24 | annma | open GwenView and select several pics in Browser mode |
| 08:53.27 | annma | then what? |
| 08:53.30 | xxtjaxx | the button on the left side next to browse |
| 08:53.50 | annma | screenshot |
| 08:54.06 | annma | i don't see a show button in GwenView |
| 08:56.05 | xxtjaxx | the look at button in german ANsehen |
| 08:57.01 | annma | ? |
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| 08:58.07 | xxtjaxx | http://imagebin.org/50777 |
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| 08:59.47 | xxtjaxx | I thought that gweniew wiould be more like a musicplayer that picks up the selected pictures and shows them in a kijnd of playlist so to speak |
| 08:59.56 | xxtjaxx | annma ok? |
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| 09:00.51 | annma | is GwenView able to open several files as such? |
| 09:01.25 | xxtjaxx | In this cas it opens the folder as such |
| 09:01.53 | annma | GwenView is not able to do what you want is my conclusion |
| 09:02.07 | xxtjaxx | ok |
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| 09:02.15 | annma | so issue a wish report to GwenView asking for it to open several pics in 1 instance |
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| 09:03.00 | annma | not sure how GwenView should behave though |
| 09:03.10 | xxtjaxx | annma OK . But I'm sorry for wasting yopur time :> |
| 09:03.15 | xxtjaxx | :< |
| 09:04.14 | annma | all bugs interest me xxtjaxx |
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| 09:06.54 | xxtjaxx | annma but maybe uhm just dumb ... :s |
| 09:07.05 | annma | no |
| 09:07.19 | annma | it's a valid request I think |
| 09:07.36 | annma | especially as it seems GwenView pretends to be a file browser now |
| 09:08.05 | xxtjaxx | indeed didnt it do that befor too_? |
| 09:09.14 | annma | not sure, I just discovered it is listed in FIle Managers in KDE 4.3 |
| 09:09.25 | annma | in SystemSettings, Default Applications |
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| 09:13.47 | xxtjaxx | lol |
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| 09:14.21 | annma | I'll talk with the devel when I have the opportunity |
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| 09:15.03 | annma | it's a bit weird too to have a right click menu in GwenView allowing to open pics in GwenView |
| 09:15.21 | annma | sort of non ending thing |
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| 09:25.30 | mani|work | i deleted ~/.kde4 .. how i can get it back now? .. just a joke^^ |
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| 09:26.37 | beer_ | is there a win port of Umbrello? |
| 09:27.48 | mani|work | first question: i deleted some files from ~/Desktop but all the icons are still at the "desktop" in the background of the screen, how to refresh it? or do i have to delete everyone by clicking the X? |
| 09:28.51 | Riddell | beer_: as with all KDE apps there's windows stuff in progress, see windows.kde.org |
| 09:29.11 | xxtjaxx | mani|work, do yoz mean desktop widgets or files you laid on your desktop |
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| 09:29.55 | mani|work | xxtjaxx: the files in the desktop folder i deleted, but they are still shown on the desktop.. think that are the widgets right? |
| 09:30.25 | xxtjaxx | can you make a screenshot |
| 09:31.00 | mani|work | that is my second question.. how to with 4.2.3? the print key has no more function for me :/ |
| 09:31.13 | xxtjaxx | print button |
| 09:31.30 | xxtjaxx | presss the print button |
| 09:32.20 | mani|work | i did, i already tried with alt and crtl and that.. but there is no more function.. i got a german keyboard, maybe thats why? at the old kde it worked |
| 09:32.59 | xxtjaxx | mani|work, nicht strg+alt und ddruck nur druck+ |
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| 09:33.47 | mani|work | xxtjaxx: ja, ich weiÃ, da gabs auch früher dieses wunderschöne screenshot programm, das auf der taste lag.. aber bei mir passiert seit kde 4.2.3 nichts mehr wenn ich druck drücke :/ |
| 09:34.08 | mani|work | using suse 11.0 and kde 4.2.3 already tried with 3 computers.. there is no more function^^ |
| 09:34.44 | xxtjaxx | mani|work, kann es sein das du das dazu gehörige programm einfach vergessen hast zu installierten |
| 09:34.47 | xxtjaxx | -.- |
| 09:35.16 | pinotree | german channel is #kde.de |
| 09:35.30 | xxtjaxx | pinotree sorry |
| 09:35.32 | mani|work | xxtjaxx: möglicherweise, da es vorher vorinstalliert war.. compiz hat er beim update rausgeschmissen, is das da drin? |
| 09:35.37 | mani|work | sry pinotree :/ |
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| 09:37.29 | xxtjaxx | annma how can I aswer directly to a mailing list email thread ? |
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| 09:38.33 | annma | reply to the digest you got probably, I don't know |
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| 09:38.46 | dziadu | hi, is any way to reload kde from 4.287 to 4.2.88 without relogin? |
| 09:39.25 | dziadu | i've rerun plasm-desktop and it updatet info in About KDE |
| 09:39.33 | dziadu | but im not sure is it enough |
| 09:40.41 | annma | that will update your plasma desktop only |
| 09:40.52 | annma | all currently running apps will stay 287 |
| 09:41.05 | annma | you need to restart them to get the update probably |
| 09:41.14 | annma | and this is more a question for your distro channel |
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| 09:49.42 | xxtjaxx | annma AND ANOTHER satisfied customer ^^ |
| 09:50.29 | annma | he did not yell to me though |
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| 09:50.50 | annma | which is good |
| 09:51.03 | xxtjaxx | ok... |
| 09:51.12 | annma | boooh I am tired hunting this bug |
| 09:52.38 | xxtjaxx | hey we are first front what else can be more satisfying than knowing that there are people that are happy about what we did for tham and the sufferin we gone through for it? |
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| 09:55.52 | xxtjaxx | annma Don't you think the same about it? |
| 09:56.08 | annma | yes |
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| 09:56.10 | annma | :) |
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| 09:58.05 | xxtjaxx | annma by the way I just send the email out to the mailing list but its seems still quiet strange why ##didnt get the RES from you and the other person though :/ |
| 09:58.34 | annma | :( no idea |
| 09:58.46 | annma | I get mails not by batch |
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| 09:59.10 | annma | I'll tell you when I get yours |
| 10:01.15 | xxtjaxx | annma Uhm tell me who thought that a woman cant be a plasma developer again` |
| 10:01.17 | xxtjaxx | ? |
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| 10:02.49 | xxtjaxx | annma, I just got the message now ^^ |
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| 10:06.10 | annma | I don't have it yet |
| 10:07.20 | xxtjaxx | thinks about installing debug info for KMAIl as it crashe when he tried to add an attachement to his email.. |
| 10:07.27 | annma | oh? |
| 10:07.49 | xxtjaxx | yes |
| 10:07.54 | annma | you need debug info for a good backtace, yes |
| 10:08.11 | xxtjaxx | thats standard to install both anyway |
| 10:08.17 | xxtjaxx | :) |
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| 10:08.56 | xxtjaxx | Btw any reason why krunner crashes on DBus connection things? |
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| 10:14.26 | annma | weird that I did not get your mail yet |
| 10:14.43 | annma | whmmm when does it crash exactly? |
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| 10:19.14 | xxtjaxx | annma, I opened up a new mail added a new email adress where the mail shoud go to and then wanted to ad a new attachment after selecting a file it crashed |
| 10:20.24 | xxtjaxx | Fuck the bastards dont have any debug infor or anythingf for kmail ... |
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| 10:21.21 | annma | ouch |
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| 10:22.26 | xxtjaxx | annma can you give me rthe klink for the svn repo of kde? I wanna checkot KMAIl see if its still in svn |
| 10:23.17 | xxtjaxx | shit to the mail service Im not a member ---- |
| 10:23.17 | annma | kmail is in kdepim which is svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdepim |
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| 10:25.21 | xxtjaxx | annma strange its just when i select a pdf file ... Maybe something with the precview... |
| 10:25.43 | annma | check if you have poppler |
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| 10:26.49 | xxtjaxx | http://pastebin.com/m38a21ccb |
| 10:26.58 | xxtjaxx | poppler? |
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| 10:27.30 | annma | not sure what your crash is |
| 10:27.39 | annma | a backtrace would tell |
| 10:27.54 | annma | the output you pastebined tells me nothing |
| 10:28.11 | xxtjaxx | ah |
| 10:28.37 | pinotree | annma: this is kmail crashing, poppler has nothing to do with it |
| 10:28.59 | annma | he said on pdf only |
| 10:29.08 | pinotree | ... and? |
| 10:29.23 | xxtjaxx | that better ? http://pastebin.com/m43bee53b |
| 10:29.26 | annma | and I was wrong |
| 10:29.39 | annma | he talked about previews |
| 10:29.47 | annma | I am often wrong |
| 10:29.58 | annma | forget poppler xxtjaxx |
| 10:30.38 | xxtjaxx | ok |
| 10:30.58 | xxtjaxx | http://pastebin.com/m43bee53b how about that? |
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| 10:34.27 | annma | points to phonon |
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| 10:35.57 | xxtjaxx | strange... |
| 10:36.16 | annma | yes |
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| 10:37.50 | seniorake | is there beside xsane some software for kde4 which can be used for scanners? |
| 10:38.01 | seniorake | something kde4-integrated perhaps |
| 10:38.02 | annma | skanlite |
| 10:39.05 | seniorake | looks good |
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| 10:39.32 | seniorake | very nice, thank you! |
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| 10:55.02 | Guest50171 | hi how can i use policykit-kde so that kde doesn't ask me password when i open a windows partition in dolphin? |
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| 10:56.03 | Kebianizao|work | kde |
| 10:56.10 | Kebianizao|work | ugh :) |
| 10:56.11 | Kebianizao|work | hello |
| 10:57.19 | Kebianizao|work | each time I close kmail it reopens. I've tried, ctrl-Q, closing the window and kill -15 and -9 what could be producing that? |
| 10:58.00 | annma | didn't you already ask? |
| 10:58.20 | annma | it reopens when? and there's a difference between close and quit |
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| 10:58.58 | Guest50171 | is it possible? |
| 10:59.36 | Guest50171 | i can't find the option :( |
| 11:00.29 | Kebianizao|work | annma: how I alread ask? |
| 11:00.56 | Kebianizao|work | annma: no difference, in short I can't close it unless I exit from kde |
| 11:01.03 | annma | someone already asked |
| 11:01.06 | annma | distro? |
| 11:01.07 | Kebianizao|work | there should be something opening it each time |
| 11:01.10 | Kebianizao|work | annma: debian |
| 11:01.17 | Kebianizao|work | testing |
| 11:01.21 | annma | ask in #debian-kde then maybe |
| 11:01.27 | Kebianizao|work | it wasn't me that asked before |
| 11:01.44 | annma | unfortunately I forgot the fix |
| 11:01.57 | Guest50171 | can you help me? |
| 11:01.58 | Kebianizao|work | I'm not sure this is a debian issue and I'm clueless about what could be happenning |
| 11:02.01 | annma | for me from source if I quit kmail it never opens again |
| 11:02.17 | annma | default settings never reopens it |
| 11:02.33 | Kebianizao|work | annma: well it doesn't happen on my other debian computer, so there should be something related to config |
| 11:02.40 | annma | ah see |
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| 11:03.05 | Guest50171 | where can i ask? |
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| 11:03.27 | Kebianizao|work | Guest50171: just explain your problem, someone will answer |
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| 11:03.58 | Guest50171 | i did :) how can i use policykit-kde so that kde doesn't ask me password when i open a windows partition in dolphin? |
| 11:04.15 | Kebianizao|work | Guest50171: distro? |
| 11:04.22 | Guest50171 | fedora |
| 11:04.57 | Kebianizao|work | acces policies are tighly couple to distro, I suggest you asking on #fedora |
| 11:05.38 | Guest50171 | ok. but i did it :( |
| 11:05.45 | Kebianizao|work | and? |
| 11:05.57 | Guest50171 | thank you anyway |
| 11:06.19 | Guest50171 | said ask to #kde :( |
| 11:06.27 | Kebianizao|work | weird |
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| 11:06.41 | Kebianizao|work | Guest50171: who asks for a password? |
| 11:06.47 | annma | distros usually send here |
| 11:07.00 | annma | just t disregard any problem |
| 11:07.28 | Guest50171 | dolphin asks a password when i open a windows partition for the first time |
| 11:07.47 | javier_ | that doesn't happen on opensuse |
| 11:08.51 | Guest50171 | in gnome i used policykit gnome and there is an option to change that. but i can't find that in policykit-kde |
| 11:10.08 | Guest50171 | it is present? |
| 11:10.29 | Kebianizao|work | Guest50171: that depends on distro, for sure and I'm not a fedora user, sorry |
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| 11:10.43 | Kebianizao|work | policykit is not part of kde |
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| 11:11.20 | Guest50171 | policykit-kde is? |
| 11:11.44 | Kebianizao|work | Guest50171: not sure |
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| 11:15.03 | Guest50171 | I mean : kde shouldn't ask password, and it is a fault of fedora, but maybe policykit-kde is incomplete? or only the policykit-kde package is incomplete? for you this option is present? |
| 11:15.29 | Kebianizao|work | moreover I'm clueless about policykit :S |
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| 11:16.36 | Guest50171 | anyway thank you |
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| 11:18.40 | Guest50171 | i can't say them it's their fault if policykit-kde doesn't include this option. it's a feature not yet implemented, right? |
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| 11:46.50 | Kebianizao|work | I see that the kmail restart could be related to kresources |
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| 11:46.59 | Kebianizao|work | but not much clues yet |
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| 12:12.36 | annma | oh yes |
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| 12:12.49 | annma | Kebianizao|work: not sure how though |
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| 12:13.14 | annma | try asking in #kontact Kebianizao|work |
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| 12:17.30 | pi-meson2 | Where can I find the KDE cmake files? |
| 12:18.35 | Kebianizao|work | annma: thanks :) |
| 12:18.42 | Kebianizao|work | pi-meson2: what files? |
| 12:19.12 | pi-meson2 | Kebianizao|work: I found this: http://api.kde.org/cmake/modules.html and some of them are exactly what I need (like, FindPythonLibrary) for my own cmake project |
| 12:19.30 | pi-meson2 | but for the life of me I can't find where the actual .cmake files are |
| 12:20.02 | Kebianizao|work | pi-meson2: I think those are usually distributed with your distro cmake |
| 12:20.46 | pi-meson2 | Kebianizao|work: these are custom KDE ones, I think -- at the very least, they don't show up either in the cmake tarball or via the ubuntu cmake package |
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| 12:23.35 | pi-meson2 | got it: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/cmake/modules/ |
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| 12:27.09 | Kebianizao|work | bye |
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| 12:29.52 | white_pelican | does anyone know where I can get help with version 2.3 of Gwenview? |
| 12:31.21 | somekool | Hi ! I have a trouble since I have upgraded to kubuntu 9.04 from 8.10 : i first asked in #kubuntu but it seems like I am the only one experiencing this problem. I cannot find anything on google either. application icons in the systray are all black. except kde3 and gtk apps. but all kde4 shows as a black square |
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| 12:35.31 | AHelper | screen updating problems? |
| 12:35.35 | AHelper | hmm... |
| 12:36.30 | AHelper | Did this happen RIGHT after you installed or was it OK the first run? |
| 12:37.16 | white_pelican | is there someone here to answer my question? |
| 12:37.40 | annma | ask your GwenView question |
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| 12:41.09 | fred | Sorry if someone answered yesterday and I didn't see: is there a way to get dolphin to display atimes? |
| 12:42.47 | AHelper | somekool? |
| 12:43.42 | somekool | AHelper: yes? |
| 12:44.02 | somekool | screen updating ? really can't be |
| 12:44.03 | AHelper | My posts above ^^^ |
| 12:44.16 | AHelper | I have that problem |
| 12:44.25 | AHelper | I have desktop effects on |
| 12:44.35 | AHelper | Sometimes the icons don't refresh |
| 12:44.36 | somekool | it happenned when I upgraded from kubuntu 8.10 to 9.04 I was running 4.2.2 under both. I then upgraded to 4.2.3 but still same issue |
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| 12:44.56 | AHelper | OS |
| 12:45.00 | AHelper | Hmm... |
| 12:45.06 | somekool | i turn off desktop effects, it same |
| 12:45.34 | AHelper | What's your GPU? |
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| 12:47.27 | somekool | nvidia |
| 12:48.19 | AHelper | Do you have drivers that work? (able to use OpenGL?) |
| 12:49.38 | somekool | yes |
| 12:49.57 | AHelper | Hmm... |
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| 12:51.44 | abhiSri | how to stop plasma thing ?? |
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| 12:52.16 | annma | kquitapp plasma |
| 12:52.24 | annma | if you "stop" it you won't have any desktop though |
| 12:52.51 | annma | so maybe if you don't like it you should considere installing kde3 or gnome or any other desktop |
| 12:52.56 | abhiSri | annma: but its showing some unusual effects |
| 12:53.08 | abhiSri | annma: desktop fluctuating |
| 12:53.08 | annma | you just installed it? |
| 12:53.27 | abhiSri | annma: ya |
| 12:53.31 | annma | distro? |
| 12:53.40 | abhiSri | annma: ubuntu 8.10 |
| 12:54.01 | annma | did you ask the hannel about your problems? |
| 12:54.01 | abhiSri | but installed KDE week before ,generally use gnome |
| 12:54.16 | abhiSri | hannel ? what is this?? |
| 12:54.22 | annma | channel |
| 12:54.27 | annma | #ubuntu |
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| 12:54.45 | abhiSri | annma: yes they said KDE can help |
| 12:54.53 | AHelper | somekool, no idea... |
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| 12:55.23 | annma | they are lame |
| 12:55.56 | annma | what sort of problem do you have exactly? |
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| 13:07.39 | DreadKnight | bubblemon keeps appearing on my panel each time i log in.. |
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| 13:09.10 | gomoran | Hello, how do I select old-german spellchecking in KDE4? |
| 13:10.17 | annma | in SystemSettings there is a spell check setting |
| 13:10.32 | annma | make sure you have the correct dictionary installed |
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| 13:11.13 | sandsmark | DreadKnight - same happened to me |
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| 13:11.25 | sandsmark | I eventually just gave up, placed it somewhere nice, and configured it properly :-P |
| 13:11.39 | DreadKnight | sandsmark: lol |
| 13:11.51 | DreadKnight | it just sucks on the panel |
| 13:12.03 | DreadKnight | the text on it it's so tiny and useless |
| 13:12.14 | sandsmark | depends on the size of your panel, I guess |
| 13:12.24 | sandsmark | it looks very nice here, vertical panel ~25px wide |
| 13:12.27 | Half-Left | That's why it has a mouse over tooltip |
| 13:12.49 | DreadKnight | hmm, mine might be larger |
| 13:12.55 | DreadKnight | but i can't read the text |
| 13:13.07 | sandsmark | I don't read the text |
| 13:13.13 | sandsmark | I don't have any text :-P |
| 13:13.16 | Half-Left | You're not supposed to, that's what the tooltip is for |
| 13:13.36 | DreadKnight | erm, then it shouldn't display text on it when i place mouse over |
| 13:13.59 | Half-Left | Well report the bug as a iconify bug |
| 13:14.31 | Half-Left | Seriously though :p |
| 13:14.35 | DreadKnight | not even sure what i should configure it as, because that list there is a bit lame xD (even has a dummy option) |
| 13:15.17 | Half-Left | Have fun with it, don't take it so seriously |
| 13:15.27 | DreadKnight | xD |
| 13:15.41 | gomoran | annma: I have wogerman, iogerman, aspell-de-alt and myspell-de-de-oldspell installed, but only new german spelling in kcmshell4 spellchecking |
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| 13:17.11 | annma | gomoran: so issue a bug report against sonnet and specify exactly what packages you have (myspell-de-de-oldspell_VERSION_distro |
| 13:17.15 | annma | for ex |
| 13:17.46 | annma | not only "I have wogerman, iogerman, aspell-de-alt and myspell-de-de-oldspell installed" but exaclty the packages names |
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| 13:20.34 | gomoran | There is no way to configure sonnet? |
| 13:21.19 | annma | I can try with my distro to install a package and see if it's taken if you wanr |
| 13:21.21 | annma | want |
| 13:21.37 | annma | I think aspell and ispell dicts are taken |
| 13:21.51 | DreadKnight | sandsmark: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194547 |
| 13:21.52 | annma | so maybe that's why |
| 13:22.38 | Half-Left | DreadKnight: You do know there is a option to remove th text? |
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| 13:23.05 | DreadKnight | Half-Left: i know, but that's unchecked for me |
| 13:23.15 | DreadKnight | text only displays when rolling mouse over |
| 13:23.21 | DreadKnight | but it sucks because it's tiny |
| 13:23.28 | DreadKnight | meh |
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| 13:23.48 | aleite | Hello guys |
| 13:23.55 | Half-Left | Well there is no way around it |
| 13:24.08 | Half-Left | You can't have big text on a tiny panel |
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| 13:24.16 | aleite | I want to export all my revisions on some pdf. I made these revision on okular.. how do I do it? |
| 13:24.23 | gomoran | annma: iogerman is for ispell and aspell-de-alt is for aspell. |
| 13:24.24 | DreadKnight | Half-Left: yeah, i know |
| 13:24.53 | pinotree | aleite: http://okular.kde.org/faq.php |
| 13:24.55 | DreadKnight | Half-Left: but it's also retarded to place a lot of text in a small area if you think about it :P |
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| 13:25.02 | aleite | thanks |
| 13:25.09 | DreadKnight | bubblemon will hopefully be a bit smartert than that |
| 13:25.47 | Half-Left | DreadKnight: Well no because for one, you have the option to see it on mouse over and two, it scales with the panel |
| 13:25.52 | gomoran | annma: and one can't file bugs against sonnet, thats not an application in bugs.kde.org. |
| 13:26.03 | annma | wait until I confirm |
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| 13:26.45 | Half-Left | people with larger panels can see the text clearly, even more so at low resolutions |
| 13:26.50 | annma | I don't have aspell-de-alt gomoran |
| 13:26.50 | DreadKnight | Half-Left: when i hover over it, it has text, even with the option off... it should have been as a tooltip rather, not trying to display the text big as bubblemon applet |
| 13:27.08 | DreadKnight | well, if you just place it on desktop, big enough, than that's fine |
| 13:27.18 | DreadKnight | but a lot of text in a small plasmoid = fugly |
| 13:28.22 | Half-Left | Add another bug report then |
| 13:28.29 | DreadKnight | yeah |
| 13:28.36 | annma | gomoran: running Mandriva here |
| 13:29.18 | annma | oh the bubblemon problem |
| 13:29.22 | DreadKnight | meh, screw bubblemon atm, better things to look into |
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| 13:29.34 | Half-Left | exactly |
| 13:29.35 | xTs | Hi |
| 13:29.35 | annma | did you put bublemon here yourself? |
| 13:29.49 | xTs | what do i do with a bug that appears to be in almost every application? |
| 13:29.58 | pinotree | like? |
| 13:29.59 | gomoran | annma: I have debian |
| 13:30.01 | DreadKnight | annma: well, i removed it long time ago, but it keeps appearing, as i stated into the bug report |
| 13:30.14 | xTs | shortcut handling |
| 13:30.25 | annma | let me test |
| 13:30.26 | DreadKnight | at it appears unconfigured and overlapped with other stuff = not cool |
| 13:30.31 | annma | not there |
| 13:30.35 | xTs | especially ones with shift |
| 13:30.37 | annma | it did not reappear |
| 13:30.50 | Half-Left | DreadKnight: That's nothing, I have three OpenDesktop widgets start up and their dialog login boxes :p |
| 13:31.02 | DreadKnight | Half-Left: rolf, what distro? |
| 13:31.21 | annma | I added to panel, I configured to temperature, I left it a few minutes, I removed, I restarted plasma and it's not there |
| 13:31.42 | DreadKnight | i hope open desktop will be running fine on windows as well, because not sure how many people around are using linux... at least i could set up kde for my parents xD |
| 13:31.58 | DreadKnight | annma: logged in again? :P |
| 13:32.02 | DreadKnight | appears at log-in time |
| 13:32.09 | DreadKnight | hmm |
| 13:32.17 | xTs | i know two programms that have problems with it: kwin and konsole |
| 13:32.21 | DreadKnight | im on kubuntu karmic koala |
| 13:32.27 | annma | DreadKnight: please test with kquitapp plasma |
| 13:32.34 | annma | what kde version? |
| 13:32.40 | annma | I am on vanilla kde :) |
| 13:32.40 | DreadKnight | 4.3 beta |
| 13:32.45 | annma | so please |
| 13:32.55 | annma | remove it from panel |
| 13:32.59 | annma | then do |
| 13:33.00 | Half-Left | DreadKnight: Doesn't matter, I compile trunk manually |
| 13:33.05 | annma | kquitapp plasma-desktop |
| 13:33.09 | annma | plasma-desktop |
| 13:33.15 | annma | see if it's back or not |
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| 13:33.36 | DreadKnight | annma: appeared like always |
| 13:33.40 | annma | what was the damn fix for it |
| 13:34.03 | annma | did you add it yourself at the first place, |
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| 13:34.27 | DreadKnight | annma: yeah |
| 13:34.30 | annma | did you check the config file to see if it's written? |
| 13:34.31 | DreadKnight | it wasn't default |
| 13:34.46 | DreadKnight | annma: um? |
| 13:34.48 | annma | it only happens to some people |
| 13:35.01 | annma | are your widgets locked? |
| 13:35.01 | DreadKnight | i checked for some file but it wasn't there i recall |
| 13:35.14 | annma | it is there if it appears DreadKnight |
| 13:35.17 | DreadKnight | annma: tried with them locked and unlocked |
| 13:35.20 | annma | it cannot appear from nothing |
| 13:35.36 | annma | you have some damned setting that causes it |
| 13:35.44 | annma | I just forgot which one |
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| 13:37.13 | DreadKnight | >_< |
| 13:37.53 | eduardmatrix | hi!! |
| 13:37.56 | eduardmatrix | Can I install Ekiga under Slackware kde3.5? |
| 13:38.24 | annma | hmmm anything to do with KDE? |
| 13:38.29 | DreadKnight | eduardmatrix: if you're asking that, then slackware is sure not the distro for you mate |
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| 13:38.38 | annma | #slackware is the one for you eduardmatrix |
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| 13:39.01 | DreadKnight | that distro is only for geeks living in parents basement :D |
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| 13:43.20 | Half-Left | ekiga is a gtk app |
| 13:44.04 | DreadKnight | eduardmatrix: you can, but you'll get a lot of gtk crap with it (dependencies) |
| 13:44.20 | DreadKnight | most people use skype anyway |
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| 13:47.58 | DreadKnight | sandsmark: managed to get rid of bubblemon :D |
| 13:48.06 | sandsmark | DreadKnight - :-D |
| 13:48.07 | sandsmark | how? |
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| 13:48.24 | DreadKnight | i edited a file, one sec and i'll document the bug report, sandsmark |
| 13:49.24 | sandsmark | kk |
| 13:52.13 | DreadKnight | sandsmark: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194547 |
| 13:52.28 | sandsmark | DreadKnight - thanks ;) |
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| 13:52.44 | DreadKnight | :) |
| 13:53.40 | annma | yu already asked on Wednesday DreadKnight about bubblemon |
| 13:53.51 | DreadKnight | annma: i did |
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| 13:53.58 | annma | DreadKnight: please remove your bublemon from panel |
| 13:54.04 | annma | now open konsole |
| 13:54.05 | annma | type |
| 13:54.14 | annma | kde4-config --localprefix |
| 13:54.16 | annma | return |
| 13:54.22 | annma | paste here result please |
| 13:54.39 | Half-Left | DreadKnight: Nice one |
| 13:54.42 | DreadKnight | annma: /home/dread/.kde/ |
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| 13:54.56 | DreadKnight | second time i'm showing you my localprefix as well |
| 13:55.04 | annma | OK in this /home/dread/.kde/ go to share/config/ |
| 13:55.22 | annma | edit your plasma-desktop-appletsrc file and put it in a pastebin |
| 13:55.45 | DreadKnight | um ok, give me the code for that :D |
| 13:55.45 | annma | on wednesday nixternal helped you apparently and that prevented me to go further |
| 13:55.50 | annma | edit |
| 13:55.57 | annma | == open with kwrite for example |
| 13:56.01 | DreadKnight | yeah |
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| 13:56.14 | DreadKnight | but what do i need to paste in for the .. |
| 13:56.14 | annma | thenselect all the file and get it to pastebin.ca |
| 13:56.26 | annma | www.pastebin.ca |
| 13:56.38 | DreadKnight | oh you want that in a pastebin |
| 13:56.43 | annma | yes I do |
| 13:56.53 | annma | after you removed your bubblemon |
| 13:56.54 | DreadKnight | i understood you want me to manually type and add a pastebin plasmoid :D |
| 13:56.56 | DreadKnight | ok |
| 13:56.58 | DreadKnight | one sec |
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| 13:57.10 | annma | DreadKnight: what person confirmed that bug? |
| 13:57.39 | annma | ah you got rid of it |
| 13:57.51 | Half-Left | annma: me, I will if needed, I can reproduce it |
| 13:57.53 | annma | I got a second mail from your bug report |
| 13:58.02 | annma | Half-Left: so |
| 13:58.06 | annma | please reproduce |
| 13:58.10 | annma | add it in panel |
| 13:58.20 | Half-Left | Yep, it don't go away |
| 13:58.25 | annma | pastebin your plasma-desktop-appletsrc file |
| 13:58.30 | annma | then remove it |
| 13:58.34 | Half-Left | on restart on plasma, it's always in the panel |
| 13:58.43 | annma | what kde version? |
| 13:58.47 | annma | I can't reproduce |
| 13:58.52 | Half-Left | trunk |
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| 13:58.59 | annma | so |
| 13:59.00 | Half-Left | Version 4.2.88 (KDE 4.2.88 (KDE 4.3 >= 20090527)) |
| 13:59.09 | DreadKnight | annma: http://www.pastebin.ca/1439534 |
| 13:59.11 | annma | when you remove it, the config file is not changed? |
| 13:59.22 | annma | DreadKnight: if you removed the lines manually it's useless |
| 13:59.30 | annma | I want to know WHY |
| 13:59.43 | annma | what happens to the config file |
| 13:59.53 | gomoran | annma: I get old-german spellchecking if I remove all new-german spellchecker-dictionaries. |
| 14:00.14 | Half-Left | annma: Booblemon is not in the config |
| 14:00.16 | annma | gomoran: then issue a bug report about that, good finding |
| 14:00.20 | DreadKnight | annma: well, i restarted plasma and it didn't appeared :P so it does the trick for me it seems, not sure about relogin |
| 14:00.29 | annma | Half-Left: so why doe sit come back? |
| 14:00.35 | DreadKnight | Half-Left: bubblemon ! |
| 14:00.37 | annma | out of the blue? |
| 14:00.42 | DreadKnight | Half-Left: search again? :P |
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| 14:00.51 | annma | DreadKnight: that's a solution, not a bug fic |
| 14:00.53 | annma | fix |
| 14:00.54 | Half-Left | oops |
| 14:01.00 | DreadKnight | annma: i know :D |
| 14:01.00 | annma | I want the bug fix |
| 14:01.01 | reavertm | thinks that either config files are no reliable backend of apps are way too fragile to config file format changes caused by those apps themselves |
| 14:01.02 | DreadKnight | yeah |
| 14:01.03 | Half-Left | Yep it's there |
| 14:01.12 | annma | really? |
| 14:01.20 | Half-Left | In the config yes |
| 14:01.28 | annma | so now tell me about your plasma config |
| 14:01.39 | annma | is it on a desktop or a folderview? |
| 14:01.49 | annma | as I can't reproduce |
| 14:01.49 | Half-Left | plugin=bubblemon |
| 14:01.51 | annma | no |
| 14:02.13 | annma | what is your general plasma config? |
| 14:02.29 | annma | 1 activity per desktop? folderview as desktop?... |
| 14:02.41 | DreadKnight | want my answers? :D |
| 14:02.53 | annma | DreadKnight: can you reproduce now? |
| 14:02.58 | annma | add it in panel |
| 14:02.58 | DreadKnight | annma: not anymore.. |
| 14:03.01 | annma | no? |
| 14:03.04 | annma | really? |
| 14:03.04 | DreadKnight | annma: ok, i'll try, one sec |
| 14:03.06 | Half-Left | Oh mine? |
| 14:03.16 | annma | Half-Left: to debug we need material |
| 14:03.22 | annma | not just bvague assumptions |
| 14:03.53 | Half-Left | 1activity, Type Desktop |
| 14:03.53 | annma | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194547 |
| 14:04.08 | annma | add the config file before you add the applet and after |
| 14:04.14 | DreadKnight | annma: added bubblemon to panel, removed it, restarted plasma and bubblemon didn't showed up |
| 14:04.30 | annma | so why wasn't it removed at first? |
| 14:04.35 | DreadKnight | no idea |
| 14:04.37 | annma | the rest is the same? |
| 14:04.41 | DreadKnight | yeah |
| 14:05.05 | DreadKnight | annma: i noticed from that to time baterry applet moves over the 'tasks lists' |
| 14:05.12 | DreadKnight | (plasmoid*) |
| 14:05.26 | DreadKnight | annma: atm it's in the same place where bubblemon keeps appearing |
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| 14:06.47 | DreadKnight | annma: so you're a mandriva user? |
| 14:06.51 | Half-Left | annma: openDesktop widget behaves now, it doesn't start up after I removed the config |
| 14:06.51 | annma | yes |
| 14:07.07 | annma | DreadKnight: I have KDE from KDE source though, not mandriva |
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| 14:08.01 | DreadKnight | annma: i tried a lot of distros, but never tried mandriva.. |
| 14:08.14 | DreadKnight | just took a peak at your blog |
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| 14:09.57 | Half-Left | DreadKnight: I've confirmed your bug |
| 14:10.50 | DreadKnight | Half-Left: cool |
| 14:10.52 | Half-Left | Damn, forgot to put version :p |
| 14:10.56 | DreadKnight | xD |
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| 14:12.27 | Half-Left | done |
| 14:12.56 | DreadKnight | why the heck can't i set this to 'confirmed' manually? |
| 14:13.02 | DreadKnight | need permission rights i guess.. |
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| 14:14.02 | Half-Left | because devs needs to comfirm it |
| 14:14.10 | Half-Left | confirm* |
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| 14:15.31 | DreadKnight | meh |
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| 14:17.04 | Half-Left | In other words the dev confirms it as a valid bug |
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| 14:17.57 | maki | kde from svn rocks |
| 14:18.30 | DreadKnight | Half-Left: yeah, but i'm used to be able to make stuff myself, like on launchpad |
| 14:18.47 | DreadKnight | less burdain on the admins |
| 14:19.38 | annma | Half-Left: in that case that doe snot give any idea of what is wrong |
| 14:19.49 | sandsmark | well, if the user can set âconfirmedâ, it kind of looses its point |
| 14:19.57 | Half-Left | exactly |
| 14:20.11 | annma | as you did not attach any config file Half-Left |
| 14:20.18 | annma | it's a useless confirm |
| 14:21.55 | Half-Left | annma: I don't see how that helps since it doesn't actually say if I have the widget in the actual panel or not, that's the issue |
| 14:22.09 | annma | the config file says it |
| 14:22.36 | Half-Left | Yes but how does the dev know it is not on my panel? |
| 14:22.39 | annma | if you posted it as I asked, 1 with the applet in, one after your removed |
| 14:23.00 | annma | as I said I cannot reproduce here |
| 14:24.04 | annma | what was your bubblemon configured to show? |
| 14:24.04 | Half-Left | The config only says the bubblemon is there, it says nothing about if it's actually on the panel or not |
| 14:24.23 | DreadKnight | erm, she wanted to know the bubblemon paragraph from your config.. |
| 14:24.32 | annma | what config? |
| 14:24.35 | Half-Left | So IMO the config is useless, unless you provide a screenshot of them both |
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| 14:24.39 | annma | wait wait |
| 14:24.46 | annma | tsss Half-Left |
| 14:24.55 | annma | it's never useless for a start |
| 14:24.56 | DreadKnight | annma: the configuration file i said in second post to remove it.. |
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| 14:25.06 | annma | weird |
| 14:25.07 | DreadKnight | from |
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| 14:25.35 | annma | I have bubblemon in plasma-desktoprc |
| 14:25.39 | rohan | i am using kde 3.5.10 on kubuntu 8.04. i have ~/eclipse in my $PATH, yet in the run dialog (alt-f2) when i type "eclipse", it says command not found |
| 14:25.45 | annma | not in plasma-desktop-appletsrc |
| 14:25.54 | annma | Half-Left: ^^ DreadKnight ^ |
| 14:26.11 | rohan | what can i do to run eclipse from run dialog? |
| 14:26.36 | annma | yup |
| 14:26.43 | annma | in plasma-desktoprc |
| 14:27.00 | annma | NOT in share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc |
| 14:27.04 | annma | so the bug is there |
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| 14:27.06 | DreadKnight | annma: oh, in plasma-desktoprc it was as well, but there it was just the name, marked as "used before plasmoid" |
| 14:27.12 | annma | tsss |
| 14:27.24 | annma | why did you write plasma-desktop-appletsrc then? |
| 14:27.33 | DreadKnight | because i don't care about used before stuff |
| 14:27.43 | annma | and Half-Left confirmed |
| 14:27.43 | DreadKnight | hmm |
| 14:27.49 | annma | guys |
| 14:27.53 | DreadKnight | annma: because you're doing it wrong? :P |
| 14:27.56 | annma | NO |
| 14:27.59 | annma | I am not |
| 14:28.02 | annma | I am a plasma devel |
| 14:28.17 | Half-Left | :) |
| 14:28.19 | annma | I have the applet in panel config in plasma-desktoprc |
| 14:28.38 | annma | when I get the applet in panel, the config is written in plasma-desktoprc |
| 14:28.40 | annma | try it |
| 14:28.46 | annma | edit this file and see |
| 14:28.48 | DreadKnight | annma: by bad it seems |
| 14:28.58 | annma | weird |
| 14:29.10 | DreadKnight | bah im confused lol |
| 14:29.22 | annma | but Half-Left confirmed the confusion |
| 14:29.33 | annma | what I want to know is if you were confused or not |
| 14:29.33 | DreadKnight | it was a section in one of the fricking config files, not sure which one xD |
| 14:29.52 | annma | now you destroyed it all while I told you to pastebin it |
| 14:29.57 | annma | both of you |
| 14:30.33 | annma | I htink the config got written to plasma-desktop-appletsrc for some reason |
| 14:30.43 | Half-Left | annma: When I remove the bubblemon and restart plasma, the bubblemon starts up. The config file says it's in there no matter what you do |
| 14:30.53 | annma | what config file Half-Left |
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| 14:31.12 | annma | pastebin this config file please and tell me its name |
| 14:31.17 | DreadKnight | xD |
| 14:31.32 | Half-Left | plasma-desktop-appletsrc |
| 14:31.41 | DreadKnight | worst case scenario i'll get kubuntu karmic koala virtualization and check it out there |
| 14:32.09 | annma | Half-Left: I'd like you to paste in bug report |
| 14:32.21 | annma | as I don't have that situation myself |
| 14:32.23 | DreadKnight | i think he doesn't gets the pastebin concept? xD |
| 14:32.41 | DreadKnight | but he probably got rid of bubblemon from there anyway |
| 14:32.50 | DreadKnight | rolf, what a frikin mess :D |
| 14:32.51 | Half-Left | annma: The plasma-desktopappletrc after the bubblemon has been removed? |
| 14:33.05 | annma | it comes back anyway, right? |
| 14:33.10 | DreadKnight | it doesn't :P |
| 14:33.11 | Half-Left | yes |
| 14:33.14 | annma | is there the bubblemon lines in it? |
| 14:33.20 | Half-Left | one sec |
| 14:33.22 | annma | so yes, pastebin it |
| 14:33.27 | annma | paste it in bug report |
| 14:34.06 | annma | I'm going to crush this bug |
| 14:34.35 | Half-Left | Strange |
| 14:35.11 | Half-Left | The bubblemon is not in the plamsa-desktopappletrc when in the panel now |
| 14:35.35 | annma | see |
| 14:35.52 | DreadKnight | hmm |
| 14:35.53 | Half-Left | plasma-desktoprc is what you said |
| 14:36.01 | Half-Left | And it's in there |
| 14:36.32 | annma | so the question is why did it write to plasma-desktop-appletsrc the first time |
| 14:36.42 | Half-Left | annma: ok now it's working as it should |
| 14:37.17 | Half-Left | Like you said, it got dumped into the plasma-desktopapppletrc |
| 14:37.31 | annma | thing is, the config should be in plasma-desktop-appletsrc |
| 14:37.37 | annma | like all other applets |
| 14:37.51 | annma | look at plasma-desktoprc, only bubblemon is there |
| 14:38.06 | DreadKnight | mhm, i recall i removed it from there as well |
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| 14:38.35 | DreadKnight | or not in there, don't mind me |
| 14:38.40 | Half-Left | annma: Yep, looks like if you remove it manually, it fixes the issue |
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| 14:39.07 | DreadKnight | cool |
| 14:39.19 | Half-Left | Only one time |
| 14:39.44 | annma | only one time? |
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| 14:39.52 | DreadKnight | well, for me it's fixed :P |
| 14:40.06 | Half-Left | So We removed that bobblemon line from the plasma-desktop-appletrc only once |
| 14:40.15 | Half-Left | bubblemon* |
| 14:40.23 | annma | yes |
| 14:40.25 | DreadKnight | Half-Left: more lines.. |
| 14:40.32 | DreadKnight | it's a 'paragraph' |
| 14:40.39 | Half-Left | DreadKnight: Yes, but only once |
| 14:40.42 | DreadKnight | mhm |
| 14:41.19 | Half-Left | It's a figure of speech :) |
| 14:41.34 | DreadKnight | :P |
| 14:41.48 | DreadKnight | that plasmoid does more harm than good |
| 14:42.41 | Half-Left | Well no because it doesn't crash you system, it's only a redudent config in the wrong place it seems |
| 14:42.47 | Half-Left | your* |
| 14:43.17 | Half-Left | it happens |
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| 14:56.33 | DreadKnight | think i'll leave for a while |
| 14:56.44 | DreadKnight | keep up the good work there, annma :) |
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| 15:02.18 | Half-Left | nope, Replaced with Okular |
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| 15:19.59 | xenoterracide | maybe it's in the new somewhere |
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| 16:31.18 | EspadaV8_W | hey, i'm trying to get the desktop effects enabled on an nvidia card using Xinerama |
| 16:31.30 | EspadaV8_W | or i can use twinview |
| 16:31.48 | EspadaV8_W | but it seems that it always says the XComposite and XDamage aren't enabled |
| 16:32.03 | EspadaV8_W | is there a guide i just can't find that'll tell me what i need to enable? |
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| 16:45.47 | lindenle | Is there a way to integrate gtk and qt apps so the widgets are the same? |
| 16:46.30 | lindenle | How does kde4 decide which screen to put the panel on? |
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| 16:51.32 | Fester^ | The GTK has a theme for Qt |
| 16:52.21 | lindenle | Fester: seems like it gets the colors but not the widgets.... |
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| 16:56.55 | Half-Left | lindenle: You can get a Oxygen style gtk theme |
| 16:57.52 | lindenle | Half-Left: Just search for it? |
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| 16:58.41 | Half-Left | look for oxygen-molecule |
| 16:59.07 | lindenle | no package :( |
| 16:59.29 | Half-Left | You don't need one, it's just a gtk theme from gnomelook.org |
| 16:59.42 | lindenle | ah ok |
| 17:00.02 | lindenle | how do I instalkl it |
| 17:00.33 | Half-Left | just extract it to ~/.themes |
| 17:00.48 | lindenle | Cool |
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| 17:02.01 | Half-Left | Then get gtk-kde4 engine and select the gtk theme in the systemsettings |
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| 17:03.10 | lindenle | Half-Left: hmmm i dont have that as a package either |
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| 17:03.47 | Half-Left | ask your distro channel regarding package names |
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| 17:07.53 | miasma | annma: you asked about memory consumption differences between kde3 and kde4 yesterday. here are my results (not very scientific, but hopefully not totally flawed - I tried to achieve similar functionality with both versions) http://www.pastebin.cz/19218 |
| 17:09.28 | miasma | I'm not sure how much the total memory amount affects programs, but at least my experiences tell me that kde4 requires about 4-5x as much memory |
| 17:09.51 | annma | ? |
| 17:10.00 | annma | with defaults? |
| 17:10.05 | miasma | defaults? |
| 17:10.06 | annma | or with several applets |
| 17:10.15 | miasma | I listed the applets there |
| 17:10.22 | annma | just a panel and a folderview are defaultq |
| 17:10.30 | dziadu | short question, what kded4 exactly is? what is he doing? |
| 17:10.33 | miasma | these were the defaults in kde3. i added the missing applets to the kde4 desktop |
| 17:11.05 | pinotree | dziadu: the kde daemon, doing various things |
| 17:11.05 | miasma | annma, you can't really compare kde3 with 7 applets against kde4 and 2 applets |
| 17:11.20 | miasma | it doesn't provide the same functionality |
| 17:11.24 | annma | you can't compare anything |
| 17:11.33 | annma | 600Mb is not much |
| 17:11.43 | SSJ_GZ | miasma: How are you measuring the memory used, exactly? |
| 17:11.44 | miasma | it is if the machine has 256 or 512 MB of memory |
| 17:11.46 | annma | see Vista, takes Gigas |
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| 17:11.58 | annma | then you don't run it on those machines, do you? |
| 17:12.01 | miasma | SSJ_GZ: I used the number given by htop. it's pretty precise in my opinion |
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| 17:12.09 | dziadu | pinotree: if i kill him, then will it start automaticly, or if i run it manuall, will my KDE survive? |
| 17:12.10 | Half-Left | 600mb is wrong ,pure and simple |
| 17:12.12 | annma | KDE needs 512 Mb RAM |
| 17:12.18 | pinotree | dziadu: what is the real issue? |
| 17:12.33 | annma | Half-Left: even if it was right I don't see that as much |
| 17:12.43 | annma | we're not living 6 years ago |
| 17:12.45 | miasma | annma: look, I can understand that kde4 needs more memory and I accept that, but it's just weird that kde devs say it hasn't got more bloated |
| 17:12.55 | annma | bloated |
| 17:13.00 | annma | !!! |
| 17:13.02 | Half-Left | annma: If 200mb is cache then yer |
| 17:13.02 | miasma | what else can it be? |
| 17:13.17 | dziadu | pinotree: kded4 use library which i change, and i need to reload this library in memory |
| 17:13.19 | annma | so why do machines ship with 3gb or 4 ram? |
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| 17:13.24 | annma | they are also bloated |
| 17:13.28 | pinotree | dziadu: logout and relogin, simple |
| 17:13.36 | pinotree | miasma: there was a couple of combined plasma+qt bugs that used to deallocate less pixmaps than what allocated |
| 17:13.39 | miasma | not all machines, for $deity's sake |
| 17:13.40 | dziadu | pinotree: problem is, i cannot :-) |
| 17:13.50 | pinotree | why? |
| 17:13.55 | annma | miasma: KDE as a modern Desktop does very well and is not bloated |
| 17:14.02 | annma | users choices are bloateds |
| 17:14.16 | dziadu | pinotree: let say, just because, have some reasons :-) |
| 17:14.19 | pinotree | miasma: those problems will be fixed in next versions |
| 17:14.19 | annma | if a user with 256Mb RAM runs KDE4 then he is an idiot |
| 17:14.30 | Half-Left | Yer, I have 4gb of ram, I want my DE to use it |
| 17:14.37 | pinotree | dziadu: nonsense, please explain what is the actual case |
| 17:14.38 | dziadu | pinotree: i have opened session of one application and cannot close it |
| 17:14.39 | dziadu | now |
| 17:14.40 | Half-Left | And OS |
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| 17:14.49 | annma | I don't want a light weight desktop, there are already some |
| 17:14.54 | annma | plenty |
| 17:15.16 | miasma | annma: well I'm kind of expecting more from a machine with 16x as much memory. but since the programs grow and grow larger, I might get less |
| 17:15.25 | dziadu | pinotree: my question is, can i freely kill kded4? |
| 17:15.33 | dziadu | and eventually run in again? |
| 17:15.46 | pinotree | dziadu: depends, what are the "open applications"? |
| 17:15.49 | Half-Left | annma: Yep, can't get on with them at all |
| 17:16.42 | dziadu | pinotree: my applications for simulations, they are long-time simulations |
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| 17:16.56 | miasma | annma: e.g. consider multiuser environments like LTSP. do you seriously think that the admin should restart the server every day cause the desktop leaks so much and fill all the 64 GB RAM when 20 users are logged in |
| 17:17.14 | pinotree | wonders why miasma is ignoring what he said |
| 17:17.25 | miasma | pinotree: who? |
| 17:17.29 | pinotree | me |
| 17:17.32 | miasma | ah, ok :) |
| 17:17.54 | miasma | so e.g. kde4 will be reality in ltsp systems, too? |
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| 17:18.18 | pinotree | dziadu: in general you shouldn't kill processes like that. |
| 17:18.30 | pinotree | dziadu: so, don't |
| 17:18.47 | pinotree | miasma: well, we don't forbid such usage |
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| 17:19.57 | miasma | there are also some memory issues with the multi language support in kde4. e.g. the dynamic languages don't share a vm. ruby, python, and javascript extensions start separate virtual machines. they could share resources without giving up any functionality |
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| 17:20.58 | miasma | and I don't get why kde starts a mysql process but most apps don't even use it. they have their own sqlite or proprietary databases or simple xml files |
| 17:21.06 | miasma | *most kde4 apps |
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| 17:21.32 | pinotree | akonadi (for pim storage) uses mysql as only db choice, atm |
| 17:21.34 | Half-Left | only akonadi uses it |
| 17:21.34 | SSJ_GZ | miasma: The MySQL instances is created by Akonadi, IIRC. |
| 17:21.39 | SSJ_GZ | Hehe |
| 17:21.39 | Half-Left | :p |
| 17:21.40 | thiago_home | miasma: akonadi uses MySQL |
| 17:21.49 | drantin | amarok :P |
| 17:21.50 | sjzzalx | Hello. Anyone familiar with kcachegrind able to tell me what incl. represents and in what units, and same with self? |
| 17:21.51 | Half-Left | lol |
| 17:21.52 | miasma | wouldn't it make sense that all the db using programs used the same engine? |
| 17:21.53 | thiago_home | they tried to use sqlite, but it just wouldn't cut it |
| 17:21.56 | SSJ_GZ | I think Akonadi uses MySQL |
| 17:22.00 | thiago_home | amarok uses mysqlembedded |
| 17:22.04 | Half-Left | SSJ_GZ: lol |
| 17:22.08 | thiago_home | miasma: it would, yes |
| 17:22.16 | sjzzalx | I have a function with a lower self time, but a person I know has a function with a lower incl. time, trying to decide which is better. |
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| 17:22.36 | Half-Left | Nothing like conformation :) |
| 17:22.43 | thiago_home | sjzzalx: "Ir" means instruction counts |
| 17:22.44 | lindenle | How do i tell the panel to be on my other monitor? |
| 17:22.46 | thiago_home | number of instructions executed |
| 17:23.04 | thiago_home | the numbers can mean own time exclusively or time of this function all all the functions that it called |
| 17:23.24 | SSJ_GZ | The overhead for a Javascript/ ruby/ python vm is probably not that large, either. |
| 17:23.33 | SSJ_GZ | Plus, very few apps use them as yet. |
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| 17:23.46 | miasma | SSJ_GZ: it's on a machine with 256 MB of ram :) |
| 17:24.11 | pinotree | SSJ_GZ: javascript/ruby/python are not mandatory for kde4 |
| 17:24.16 | thiago_home | thiago_home: if those two functions of yours are doing the same task, the one with lower overall instruction count is probably the most efficient |
| 17:24.19 | miasma | i run into a situation where amarok had a ruby extension. some notification area app (network manager?) used python and konqueror javascript |
| 17:24.25 | pinotree | you can run akde4 desktop without them being running |
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| 17:24.39 | SSJ_GZ | miasma: Honestly, I'd be more worried about the memory consumed for Qt4's double-buffering. |
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| 17:24.46 | pinotree | thiago_home: (speaking to yourself? :P) |
| 17:24.49 | SSJ_GZ | +than vms. |
| 17:24.50 | miasma | pinotree: of course you can, but the development model seems wasteful |
| 17:24.52 | thiago_home | pinotree: yeah |
| 17:25.03 | thiago_home | sjzzalx: if those two functions of yours are doing the same task, the one with lower overall instruction count is probably the most efficient |
| 17:25.15 | SSJ_GZ | waits to watch thiago_home argue with himself |
| 17:25.17 | thiago_home | checks if anyone commented on his blog |
| 17:25.24 | Half-Left | hehe |
| 17:25.36 | pinotree | miasma: which development model? this is no different than an user choosing to run on its own applications written in those languages |
| 17:25.58 | miasma | pinotree, currently there might not be good alternatives to those apps |
| 17:26.31 | pinotree | we have just two python-kde4 applications in our modules, no other languages |
| 17:26.47 | miasma | SSJ_GZ: qt4 could render the stuff on gpu, too IMO. i have a turing complete processor there and > 500 MB of VRAM. |
| 17:26.55 | pinotree | one of them is a printing configuration interface, which you can avoid by using the cups web interface |
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| 17:29.00 | Half-Left | miasma: How does that solve the memory issues you claim, can't use Vmem as application memory, it's shared anyway for apps with your toolkit |
| 17:29.45 | miasma | well I assumed above that most of the extra memory consumption is caused by qt4's double buffering |
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| 17:30.02 | miasma | I'm not sure where it goes |
| 17:31.39 | SSJ_GZ | Maybe Seli will have time to do a study at some point. |
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| 17:32.27 | SSJ_GZ | (Though I think he mentioned that he's kind of glad he hasn't had time yet as - I quote - "he would probably freak" ;)) |
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| 17:32.42 | Half-Left | As I remember, KDE3.4 got alot of optimization, it's only a matter of time before the 4 series will get the same |
| 17:33.00 | Half-Left | In a way it has infact |
| 17:33.18 | sandsmark | well, 4.3 needs to be finished first :-P |
| 17:33.35 | SSJ_GZ | Half-Left: Yep - I imagine KDE4 will eventually get considerably lighter. |
| 17:33.37 | Peace- | 4.3 is nice |
| 17:33.43 | sandsmark | indeed |
| 17:34.07 | Peace- | on kde 4.3 i use 222 of ram |
| 17:34.12 | Peace- | 222mb |
| 17:34.16 | GNU\colossus | "getting lighter" - I'd like all that neat KDE4 stuff to get rid of that shabby embedded mysql stuff |
| 17:34.25 | Peace- | with the godzilla ubuntu kernel |
| 17:34.34 | sandsmark | well, nothing comes close to firefox in memory usage here, so :-P |
| 17:34.42 | Peace- | firefox? |
| 17:34.45 | sandsmark | (and I have 2GB which I need to spend on something :-P) |
| 17:34.49 | Half-Left | Would help if the graphics driver people optimized their drivers better as well for KDE4.x, cough* nVidia cough* |
| 17:34.49 | Peace- | i use arora svn +konqueror |
| 17:34.54 | sandsmark | Peace-: I need it to download stuff from MSDNAA |
| 17:35.21 | Peace- | arora+konqueror or opera |
| 17:35.28 | sandsmark | (<3 konqueror though, alt+f, and select âopen with firefoxâ, shazam) |
| 17:35.29 | Half-Left | GNU\colossus: It's VERY powerful actually |
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| 17:36.33 | Half-Left | Information we want and store is many, many times larger then 5 years ago |
| 17:36.43 | EspadaV8 | i'm using about 550mb here :( |
| 17:36.47 | EspadaV8 | and 100% cpu |
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| 17:36.58 | GNU\colossus | mysql still sucks big time for a database |
| 17:37.02 | EspadaV8 | but i'm hoping that a one-off for nepomuk |
| 17:37.10 | Half-Left | Well that's your view |
| 17:37.26 | sandsmark | well, it isn't even fully ACID yet ... :-P |
| 17:37.27 | GNU\colossus | yeah, though I'm no loner here |
| 17:37.49 | sandsmark | I guess it depends on your POV, but compared to other DBMS's, mysql doesn't fare very well |
| 17:37.52 | Half-Left | They said the same about square wheels |
| 17:37.56 | sandsmark | :-P |
| 17:38.27 | GNU\colossus | has anyone ever looked into why sqlite is too slow for akonadi's purpose? |
| 17:38.38 | sandsmark | sqlite sucks at concurrent accesses |
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| 17:38.51 | miasma | but do people with low end computers even use akonadi? |
| 17:38.54 | sandsmark | and doesn't really scale well (but neither does mysql, so, moot point :-P) |
| 17:39.00 | GNU\colossus | well, does akonadi cincurrently access its databases that often? |
| 17:39.01 | sandsmark | miasma: what else will they use? |
| 17:39.08 | sandsmark | GNU\colossus: lots of different apps using it |
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| 17:39.15 | Half-Left | GNU\colossus: No, I think they just added it randomly......... duh |
| 17:39.44 | GNU\colossus | sandsmark: and they're all hooking into the backend db directly; there's no mediator in between? |
| 17:39.52 | sandsmark | I really don't know much about the akonadi architecture |
| 17:40.08 | miasma | sandsmark: if the amount of data is very small, I don't think sqlite is that slow. I've used sqlite in a rpq with a medium large game world |
| 17:40.10 | GNU\colossus | yeah, neither do I :) I'd be interested in a high-level overview |
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| 17:40.16 | miasma | *rpg |
| 17:40.18 | sandsmark | I kind of hoped it would be possible to use Virtuoso in akonadi too, though |
| 17:40.53 | sandsmark | miasma: well, the real killer for sqlite is concurrent access, but for single-app databases, and small-to-medium data sets, it's very nice |
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| 17:41.10 | SSJ_GZ | Kontact (KDE3) here is currently taking 176MB(!) RES. If Akonadi-fication improves on this, I'm all for it - MySQL or no :) |
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| 17:41.34 | miasma | sandsmark, but different users have pretty huge differences in application use cases. some users don't have much metadata to store, others need a large distributed DBMS |
| 17:41.46 | sandsmark | true |
| 17:42.03 | sandsmark | miasma: that's why you can get akonadi to connect to an external mysql instance, tho |
| 17:42.15 | sandsmark | I think only my mail is stored in akonadi here |
| 17:42.42 | miasma | I'd prefer a generic API that allowed connections to any DB engine, e.g. sqlite or postgres |
| 17:43.24 | SSJ_GZ | miasma: That's basically what Akonadi will be, eventually :) |
| 17:43.28 | sandsmark | well, I don't know if it is pluggable? |
| 17:43.35 | miasma | SSJ_GZ, ok great to hear |
| 17:43.45 | sandsmark | but I don't want something like libgda, where you get the worst from all dbms's supported |
| 17:43.53 | GNU\colossus | sandsmark: afaik, that's a planned feature |
| 17:44.00 | GNU\colossus | hehe |
| 17:44.04 | SSJ_GZ | miasma: Further reading: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#Akonadi_FAQ |
| 17:44.39 | sjzzalx | thiago_home: i don't see an instruction count. :( |
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| 18:03.29 | Rasi | hmmmm |
| 18:03.34 | Rasi | kde-look broken? |
| 18:03.37 | Rasi | i cant upload anything |
| 18:03.47 | Rasi | tried firefox and konqi |
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| 18:15.40 | Rasi | hmmm |
| 18:15.52 | noppe | is there a quick way to disable all sound notifications in kde 4.2 like there used to be in kde 3.5? |
| 18:15.58 | Rasi | i cant find the option in appearance dialog that changes the color of selected menu entry |
| 18:16.05 | Rasi | noppe: yes |
| 18:16.09 | Rasi | :P |
| 18:16.21 | noppe | Rasi: enligthen me? ;) |
| 18:16.25 | Rasi | systemsettings -> notifications -> player settings -> no sound output |
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| 18:18.29 | noppe | Rasi: okay, thanks. |
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| 18:30.28 | scrash09 | in kde4's kmail (kdepim4-4.2.85-120.4) when i add an action for "Move to trash" to the kmail_part toolbar, it's a "generic icon". The "Change Icon ..." button is greyed out for any/all items. Deleting kmail_part.rc has not effect. I'm stumped. :-/ |
| 18:30.33 | scrash09 | How do I change that icon? |
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| 18:37.17 | annma | let me try |
| 18:37.57 | annma | how do you add the action at the first place? |
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| 18:39.41 | scrash09 | annma: in the Configure Toolbars dialog, simply select the target toolbar, select the action in the left pane, and promote to the right pane with a click on the right arrow. |
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| 18:41.16 | annma | hmm it adds it with an icon |
| 18:41.25 | annma | Move to trash has the trash icon |
| 18:41.40 | annma | I have Move to Trash already in the toolbar as default |
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| 18:44.05 | annma | If I drop an action with no icon then I can set one |
| 18:44.17 | annma | I have KMail from KDE source svn |
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| 18:44.58 | jstein | hi, where does KAddressbook save its addressbook by default in KDE 3.x? It seems i have lost my addressbook since upgrade to KDE4 |
| 18:45.47 | jstein | now i need the old path to find it in the backup |
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| 18:48.13 | scrash09 | annma: hm. if you _have_ the icon, then there's something on my end. from svn ... did you _build_ your own KMail? mines' from openSUSE repos. |
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| 18:49.17 | annma | yes I built it |
| 18:49.27 | annma | try asking in #opensuse |
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| 18:51.53 | scrash09 | annma: yep, thx |
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| 18:53.34 | jstein | may be it is share/apps/kabc/std.vcf |
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| 18:59.29 | noppe | where/how do i change the favourites in the kde menu in 4.2.2? |
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| 19:04.54 | annma | just drop other things there to add |
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| 19:16.29 | dsparil | noppe just right click on the icons you want in your favorites |
| 19:16.33 | dsparil | it will ask you |
| 19:16.45 | dsparil | and to remove the favorites right click and click remove |
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| 19:33.03 | noppe | thanks. |
| 19:33.15 | geoelo | hi! |
| 19:33.25 | geoelo | does anyone know how to set the windows-key to launch kickoff menu? |
| 19:34.12 | annma | did yu try in SystemSettings? |
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| 19:35.53 | annma | does nto seem to work |
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| 19:36.54 | thiago_home | geoelo: you can't do that in KDE alone |
| 19:37.05 | thiago_home | you must first change some X settings to make that key be reported as a normal key |
| 19:38.14 | seto | do you know a web browser that support ogg theora and html 5 and is integrated in kde4 ? I try with konqueror.. but on web site with ogg theora .. I have pleas install firefox beta |
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| 19:39.45 | thiago_home | video is handled by external kparts |
| 19:39.51 | thiago_home | for example, kmplayer |
| 19:40.00 | thiago_home | but I am not sure KHTML supports HTML5 |
| 19:40.13 | seto | thiago: yes, and the <video> tag.. |
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| 19:52.56 | bitshuffler | Hello. Could anyone running 4.3 (preferable current trunk) please check if it is possible to sort stuff in kontacts "feed" reader by clicking on the column headers (author, date, ...)? |
| 19:53.30 | thiago_home | it is |
| 19:54.10 | bitshuffler | thiago_home: Thanks. Which version are you running? |
| 19:56.22 | thiago_home | kdelibs 972271, kdepimlibs 970771, kdepim 967753 |
| 19:56.35 | bitshuffler | thiago_home: Thank you very much :) |
| 19:59.20 | ghabit | Hello. I need help - when I am trying to install plasmoid with install new plasmoids from kde-look, after downloading it and closing window I see an error - error installing package «/tmp/kde-ghabit///103074-bluenote-0.4.1.plas... Then error installing package «/tmp/kde-ghabit///»!. How to fix it? |
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| 20:03.04 | pbn | hello, in the KDE plasmoid "Yasp - Temperature" I see no temperature at all. However lm-sensors is installed and I can read temperatures from the command line. Any idea ? |
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| 20:06.53 | einar77 | ghabit: check if you have the plasmoid installed anyway |
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| 20:07.17 | einar77 | those error messages are (mostly) harmless |
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| 20:15.51 | nashk | so if Have 3 tabs open, I close kmail, open it back up, i need the tabs to come back up as before. |
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| 20:18.43 | zirikili | hi... my kopete is using 100% cpu . how do I fix it ? |
| 20:20.56 | zirikili | hello! |
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| 20:58.10 | BillyBop | I still have a problem with french traduction on my kde4.2.3 install. The interface is not translated at all |
| 20:58.22 | BillyBop | I've straced konqueror, and all the access and stat64 are ok, it find the files |
| 20:58.33 | BillyBop | but he never read them |
| 20:58.43 | BillyBop | don't understand why |
| 20:59.43 | BillyBop | the only thing that are french translated in kde are the applications in the menu and the content of "system-settings" |
| 21:00.25 | BillyBop | but in system settings, only the icons title, not the menu |
| 21:00.35 | BillyBop | no menu is translated |
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| 21:00.57 | pano | is here anyone with KDE 4.3 beta or any version of trunk? I have a small question concerning KMix |
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| 21:01.31 | Half-Left | yep |
| 21:02.37 | PeterFA | Ok, the taskbar won't draw anything more for any programs. How do I restart it? |
| 21:02.39 | pano | if you right-click the KMix icon, do you only get a "Normal" popup, or is the "popup" displayed with a window decoration? |
| 21:02.45 | PeterFA | This is KDE 4.2 |
| 21:02.56 | pano | I get the latter, which is pretty weird^^ |
| 21:05.08 | PeterFA | I guess I'll just restart KDE. |
| 21:05.11 | PeterFA | I'm doing updates anyways. |
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| 21:06.00 | Half-Left | Normal menu popup |
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| 21:08.59 | tball | Hello everyone. I want to program a virtualizer plasma widget. Should I use the alsa api to get an all around virtualizer? |
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| 21:16.55 | Half-Left | tball: Ask in #plasma |
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| 21:17.44 | tball | Half-Left: Though pplz here knew more about phonon/alsa, but I'll ask there |
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| 21:19.57 | ToreadorVampire | Just got this error thrown at me whilst trying to delete something ... |
| 21:19.59 | mustu | where is the Trash? |
| 21:19.59 | ToreadorVampire | The wastebin has reached its maximum size! |
| 21:19.59 | ToreadorVampire | Cleanup the wastebin manually. |
| 21:20.15 | ToreadorVampire | ... problem is that it gives me no clues as to how I'm supposed to do that |
| 21:20.28 | ToreadorVampire | And mod_psychic is not installed in my kernel ;) |
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| 21:20.45 | ToreadorVampire | Any hints as to what I'm supposed to do to "clean up the wastebin"? |
| 21:21.00 | Half-Left | mustu: Try ~/.local |
| 21:21.03 | mustu | ToreadorVampire: same issue here... :p |
| 21:21.43 | ToreadorVampire | craig@craig-laptop:~$ ls .local/share/Trash/ |
| 21:21.43 | ToreadorVampire | files info |
| 21:21.49 | ToreadorVampire | That looks like a winner, thanks :) |
| 21:22.29 | ToreadorVampire | Maybe an idea for future development - add to that error message, even just giving that path to the Trash directory would be better than nothing ;) |
| 21:22.46 | ToreadorVampire | An "empty the trash now" button would be even better :) |
| 21:22.49 | mustu | How I can put a Trash icon on my dekstop..? |
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| 21:23.23 | mustu | KDE can't be such stupid that it didn't gave a Trash icon? |
| 21:23.31 | Half-Left | Add Widgets> Wastebin |
| 21:24.02 | mustu | Half-Left: no widget with that name |
| 21:24.27 | Half-Left | Whatever your language is then |
| 21:24.31 | mustu | Oh ya it's with the name of Trashcan |
| 21:24.34 | Half-Left | Trush |
| 21:25.31 | N9NU | mine is set to "shitcan" |
| 21:25.43 | Half-Left | Another way is to drag the Trash icon fromDolphin |
| 21:26.32 | ToreadorVampire | Ah, and there's some config in konq for the trash ... and the defaults are a little dumb, since there is no automatic pruning of stale items in the trash |
| 21:26.50 | ToreadorVampire | I think after a fortnight I can drop the stuff on the floor ... |
| 21:27.18 | ToreadorVampire | tbh I'd be happy for my trash to purge items older than an hour old |
| 21:27.38 | ToreadorVampire | The only use for the trash (as I use it) is "oshi, I didn't mean to hit delete!" |
| 21:28.07 | Half-Left | 4.3 you can configure that, not sure about 4.2 |
| 21:28.56 | ToreadorVampire | But all of my work is kept in version control (I'm currently considering a switch from SVN to git) so it's not as if I don't have "go back to a previous version" capability already |
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| 21:32.46 | N9NU | Version 4.2.88 (KDE 4.2.88 (KDE 4.3 >= 20090527)) |
| 21:32.49 | N9NU | nice version |
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| 21:50.26 | ritek | Hi, i hace KDE 4.2.3 on Fedora 10 64bits, i'm using SCIM for japanese input, but when i write something in japanese on a memo widget from plasma, KDE crashes and restart (but all the running programs keep working well). Any suggestions? |
| 21:50.42 | ritek | *i use |
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| 22:17.19 | pbn | Hi, in KDE 4.2.x ... where is ksirtet ? |
| 22:17.30 | pinotree | nowwhere |
| 22:17.38 | pbn | ah ? |
| 22:17.47 | pbn | then how do you play ksirtet in KDE 4.2 ? |
| 22:17.52 | ritek | Hi, i use KDE 4.2.3 on Fedora 10 64bits, i'm using SCIM for japanese input, but when i write something in japanese on a memo widget from plasma, KDE crashes and restart (but all the running programs keep working well). Any suggestions? |
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| 22:20.04 | gomoran | Where is the kdelibs5 documentation in debian squeeze? |
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| 22:31.22 | usuario__ | hi |
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| 22:41.05 | pusling | gomoran: open your konqueror and write kde:kdecore |
| 22:42.24 | gomoran | pusling: this goes to http://api.debian.org. I knew about this. My question was: Where is the local documentation. |
| 22:42.54 | gomoran | pusling: You know: the one you can still use if you are offline. |
| 22:43.31 | pusling | gomoran: we chose to not package it. |
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| 22:44.47 | gomoran | pusling: I consider this a bug. You don't want to use online documentation if you are offline, on a slow connection or only have a mobile connection. |
| 22:45.37 | gomoran | pusling: and local documenation has the advantage of having the exact same version als the installed library. |
| 22:45.39 | pusling | gomoran: for the kde3 kdelibs docs, which lived thru a less internet age, there was a installation count on almost zero. |
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| 22:47.41 | gomoran | pusling: I'm sure there are a lot of packages in debian that have an installation-count of almost zero, you want to remove them all? |
| 22:47.51 | pusling | yes. |
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| 22:48.19 | pusling | gomoran: but if you want to fix up the debian kde packages to ship a -doc package, patches are accepted. |
| 22:48.30 | gomoran | pusling: seems to be time to think about changing distribution, as you are giont to remove a lot of scientific packages etc. |
| 22:48.49 | pbn | hi how can I lock the screen from the command line ? |
| 22:48.54 | pbn | kdescreensaver -something ? |
| 22:48.59 | pusling | gomoran: packages with low installation count and no one to care for them gets removed. |
| 22:49.28 | pusling | gomoran: if you want to be the guy who takes care of kdelibs apidoc package, you are most welcome |
| 22:49.47 | ritek | how can i use the equivalent 'run' (like in windows)? |
| 22:49.58 | drantin | alt+f2 ? |
| 22:50.03 | drantin | aka krunner ? |
| 22:50.21 | gomoran | pusling: kdlibs5-doc should be packaged from the guys who package kdelibs5. |
| 22:50.32 | pusling | gomoran: that's me. want to help ? |
| 22:51.13 | ritek | Alt+F2 seems not to work |
| 22:53.15 | gomoran | pushlin |
| 22:53.34 | gomoran | pusling: to be honest. No. |
| 22:53.46 | gomoran | pusling: I don't have the time. |
| 22:54.42 | pusling | gomoran: most of it will probably be a one time effort: figure out how to build it in the build system and add it to a package. and figure out what it needs to be built. |
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| 23:20.55 | xjjk | I just installed a new binary plasmoid... is there a way to make it appear in the plasmoid list without having to logout/login again |
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| 23:30.06 | ritek | how can i use the equivalent 'run' (like in windows)? (alt+f2 didn't work) |
| 23:31.26 | xjjk | ritek: did you rebind your keys? it should be alt+f2 |
| 23:31.28 | xjjk | for krunner |
| 23:32.36 | ritek | didn't rebind it, how can i configure it so it can work with alt+f2? |
| 23:32.51 | ritek | kde system settings? |
| 23:32.56 | mck182 | is there a kio to access my favorite folders (places)? |
| 23:33.00 | xjjk | ritek: yes |
| 23:33.06 | xjjk | look for global keyboard shortcuts |
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| 23:35.59 | ritek | xjjk: thanks, i found it, and indeed its configured as alt+f2 |
| 23:36.10 | ritek | xjjk: but doesnt work.. |
| 23:36.23 | xjjk | ritek: perhaps something else is capturing alt+f2... |
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| 23:37.33 | ritek | xjjk: i see, im going to check compiz... thanks man. |
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| 23:37.44 | xjjk | ritek: oh, you're using compiz? |
| 23:38.06 | xjjk | most likely the shortcut is taken by something then |
| 23:38.45 | ritek | xjjk: i$B!-(Bll search for ti, thanks a lot |
| 23:38.49 | ritek | *it |
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