| 00:00.39 | Twilo | cghislai: i upgrades a few packages but no kde |
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| 00:01.10 | cghislai | Twilo: sip or python or pyqt or pykde or related? |
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| 00:02.49 | Twilo | finger ghostscript ghostscript-x gparted grub-common grub-pc gs-common initramfs-tools libgs8 libgwenhywfar47 libopenal1 libpstoedit0c2a libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0 libtext-wrapi18n-perl libvte-common ibvte9 libxpm4 lilypond lilypond-data lilypond-doc linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 linux-headers-2.6.26-2-common linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 pstoedit pyqt-tools pyqt4-dev-tools python-libtorrent py |
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| 00:03.06 | fawx | Akonadi has trouble starting up a lot, but the programs that depend on it seem to run fine without it. |
| 00:03.11 | Twilo | python-qt-dev python-qt3 python-qt4 python-qt4-dbus python-qt4-doc python-qt4-sql python-qtext python-sip4 python-vte r-cran-foreign r-cran-matrix samba-doc tex-common texinfo unattended-upgrades unrar vlc-data wine x11-apps x11-common xbase-clients xutils |
| 00:04.32 | Twilo | i use debian sid with some experimental packages |
| 00:04.44 | cghislai | Twilo: update kde or ask your kde packagers to build it against those packages |
| 00:05.06 | cghislai | or downgrade those packages |
| 00:05.32 | Twilo | which package? |
| 00:05.51 | cghislai | python-related |
| 00:06.18 | Twilo | ok |
| 00:06.46 | cghislai | bug your kde packagers too as more people will run into the issue obviously |
| 00:10.13 | Twilo | Thank you for your help |
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| 00:16.47 | karthikp | Question about koffice2 created files: they aren't previewed by dolphin like openoffice created files. |
| 00:17.13 | karthikp | Here's how to reproduce it: create a odt or ods file with koffice. Save. |
| 00:17.29 | karthikp | Dolphin's preview of your file is basically a blank page. |
| 00:17.49 | karthikp | Now, open the same file with openoffice. Saveas a new filename. |
| 00:18.31 | karthikp | Dolphin generates a proper preview of the file. |
| 00:18.50 | karthikp | Shall I file it as a bug for Dolphin? |
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| 00:23.39 | p4r0l3 | is there a command to rebuild kde mime associations & program menu? |
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| 00:24.09 | p4r0l3 | for some reason i'm asked w/ what to open any file & theres nothing in the list of apps...manual specification works, albeit tedious |
| 00:24.37 | p4r0l3 | also, nothing shows up for me in the new application launcher |
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| 00:24.58 | p4r0l3 | kde version 4.2 on gentoo x64 |
| 00:25.09 | edney | hi there |
| 00:25.17 | p4r0l3 | 4.2.2 to be exact |
| 00:25.19 | p4r0l3 | edney: hi |
| 00:26.16 | edney | is there a way to manage the tags i used? i mean how do i do to delete a tag...no from a file but from the system! is there a way? |
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| 00:45.23 | delt | Hello |
| 00:46.43 | delt | how can i get kde apps use /dev/audio like everything else instead of Kanthearshit..uh i mean phonon/esound/whatever? |
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| 00:51.16 | delt | great. now i have "esd" running and the sound just keeps cracking and popping. |
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| 01:02.00 | junkDawgie | welcome to pulseaudio, delt |
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| 01:23.22 | fawx | How can I prevent Kwin from decorating GTK windows? |
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| 02:02.34 | emss` | if I try sending an email with kmail to foobar.com kmail appends @<hostname> to this but I don't want this behavior. Is there a way to fix? |
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| 02:08.23 | pulaski | Hello, I've removed the kicker panel at the bottome of the kde4 desktop. I can't find a clue in the panel help to tell me how to restore it. Can anyone offer any suggestions? |
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| 02:15.36 | dashcloud | pulaski: you mean there's nothing at the bottom of the screen? |
| 02:17.49 | dashcloud | if you have a panel at the bottom of the screen, right clicking on it (or any non-app window) will give you an option named panel options, from which you can then select add widget |
| 02:18.17 | pulaski | dashcloud: Tanks for for responding. I've added a panel there but it remains empty save for the confir button. It won't let me put apps on it though. |
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| 02:19.23 | dashcloud | pulaski: if you mean your app windows don't show up, that's an actual widget that does that- task manager I believe |
| 02:19.43 | dashcloud | the system tray widget handles all your system tray apps |
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| 02:25.07 | pulaski | Thanks dashcloud, I can put the task manager on it but that contains merely applets. I can put applets anwhere on the panel top or bottom howerver Its my understanding that you can only add icons for applications to the kicker panel and the panels I have will not accept icons for applications |
| 02:27.33 | joshuajtl | are there any decent kde4 burning apps? |
| 02:27.56 | pulaski | Ok! I seem to have solved my problem for now. Thanks for your help dashcloud. I'll carry on and probably come back for more. |
| 02:27.57 | dashcloud | uh, not sure if this is what you want, but I just added the Quicklauncher widget, and it has the same apps available in it as my kickoff favorites menu has |
| 02:28.47 | pulaski | I think if the panel is on the bottom of the desktop that makes it the kicker panel. |
| 02:29.24 | dashcloud | so if you stick that on a panel, it gives you 1 click access to any application on your favorites menu |
| 02:30.27 | pulaski | of course and it gets better. you can put a short cut (so to speak) to any application there. |
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| 02:33.19 | pulaski | I have to go now, thanks again. |
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| 02:36.25 | joshuajtl | does kde4 have any administrator apps? |
| 02:36.30 | joshuajtl | administration |
| 02:39.44 | dashcloud | system settings? |
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| 02:43.17 | texnofobix | not that i know off hand |
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| 03:05.29 | Charlie_Didear | test |
| 03:05.48 | Charlie_Didear | (it works) |
| 03:07.41 | Charlie_Didear | <whois> |
| 03:07.53 | Charlie_Didear | <i> |
| 03:08.12 | Charlie_Didear | Should I leave? |
| 03:09.36 | hasweL | no |
| 03:09.53 | Charlie_Didear | Oh, this is live... |
| 03:11.57 | Charlie_Didear | So many channels makes you wonder why there isn't a thousand of them... |
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| 03:14.16 | Charlie_Didear | <i> test for italic capability </I> |
| 03:14.29 | Charlie_Didear | Hmm... test failed. |
| 03:16.16 | Charlie_Didear | Of course this is live. |
| 03:16.41 | Charlie_Didear | Hi, I'm (see left). |
| 03:17.32 | Charlie_Didear | MDOT |
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| 03:19.15 | joshjtl | hi folks, does anyone know of a cd burning app thats decent and kde4 ? |
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| 03:19.53 | Charlie_Didear | Not really. |
| 03:20.21 | Charlie_Didear | Hey, two thoughts come to mind, this is a help channel. |
| 03:20.33 | joshjtl | mmm lame wanting to remove kde3libs |
| 03:21.34 | Charlie_Didear | Don't ask me, I'm not expert plus I don't make sense (as you might have read from above). |
| 03:23.42 | Charlie_Didear | <WHOIS> |
| 03:23.56 | Charlie_Didear | {USERS} |
| 03:24.12 | Charlie_Didear | I'm sorry, I'm trying to find out who is here if possible. |
| 03:24.45 | p_quarles | Charlie_Didear: you're using konversation? there should be a sidebar with the nick list in it |
| 03:25.06 | Charlie_Didear | Nicke listed? |
| 03:25.21 | p_quarles | what? |
| 03:25.30 | Charlie_Didear | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.40 | p_quarles | sighs |
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| 03:26.04 | Charlie_Didear | *sighs?* |
| 03:26.12 | Charlie_Didear | *sighs? |
| 03:26.29 | Charlie_Didear | I must be uneducated in this. |
| 03:26.32 | hasweL | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.36 | hasweL | try that |
| 03:26.48 | Charlie_Didear | Oh, I remember that from a long time ago... |
| 03:27.14 | Charlie_Didear | imitates |
| 03:28.31 | joshjtl | sighs |
| 03:28.32 | joshjtl | slaps |
| 03:28.32 | joshjtl | sighs |
| 03:28.52 | p_quarles | links: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html |
| 03:30.54 | Charlie_Didear | Ah, I see the link. |
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| 03:31.35 | Charlie_Didear | <a href="www.google.com/"a> google site </a href> |
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| 03:31.49 | Charlie_Didear | Sorry, I didn't turn out right |
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| 03:42.02 | Charlie_Didear | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.45 | Charlie_Didear | Help. |
| 03:42.57 | Charlie_Didear | (sorry, I didn't mean to the public/ |
| 03:45.48 | Charlie_Didear | I'm sorry for wasting all of y'all hundred idle non talking users' time I'll just get out. Thanks everything |
| 03:46.04 | Charlie_Didear | eme |
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| 03:58.45 | joshuajtl | doesnt save in the actual kmenu |
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| 04:21.38 | k1lumin4t1 | any clues? |
| 04:21.45 | k1lumin4t1 | while leafpad goes smoothly |
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| 07:07.06 | noizze_ | KDE4 has still issues with xinerama_ |
| 07:07.38 | noizze_ | With Gnome everything works fine but KDE freeze the screen |
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| 08:18.12 | genewbie | where are the tray icons located in KDE4.2? i need to check something. |
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| 08:18.34 | genewbie | for the system tray |
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| 09:14.16 | Shaan7 | plasma crashed, all widgets are gone. seems like corrupt config. How can I reset/delete the config ? |
| 09:15.26 | Moult | Shaan7: ~/.kde(4) |
| 09:15.27 | psteyn | rm ~/.kde |
| 09:16.04 | Shaan7 | k, let me try .. |
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| 09:17.12 | pusling | Shaan7: you might also loose all your mails and kopete contacts and ... by deleting your .kde dir |
| 09:17.22 | pusling | and psteyn should really *not* give such advice |
| 09:17.27 | Shaan7 | pusling: i took a backup :) |
| 09:17.46 | psteyn | yeah, my bad |
| 09:18.53 | pinotree | Shaan7: just move away ~/.kde/share/config/plasmarc and ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc, no need to mov away *all* of ~/.kde |
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| 09:19.31 | Shaan7 | pinotree: ok, actually I'm helping one of my friends, lets see if it got fixed, thanks ;) |
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| 09:24.53 | Shaan7 | something weird is happening even when i deleted all of .kde . desktop is restrained to a region about 100px height and full width. and if i click on the upper area, the lower panel gets clicked. |
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| 09:27.19 | Shaan7 | screenshot |
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| 09:38.55 | Sysopa | short question about kde4.2.4 and Dualview (two separate Desktops, not xinerama) it is posible to get it work, or not? I had used this configuration with KDE 3.5 without any problems, the second X opens correct, but kde doesnt use it |
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| 09:41.53 | cb400f | Sysopa: it's not.. you can use icewm or something else on the second display.. or you can use some form of xinerama |
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| 09:42.19 | cb400f | according to the devs this form of dual head is a weird corner case noone uses... |
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| 09:42.33 | cb400f | still people ask about it here almost everyday :-/ |
| 09:42.52 | cb400f | Sysopa: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156475 |
| 09:43.09 | Sysopa | ok, thank you... |
| 09:45.06 | Sysopa | [11:43] cb400f according to the devs this form of dual head is a weird corner case noone uses.. <-- that's bullshit... i know many people using those configuration... even with KDE 3.5 and it's in many cases an great improvement for the usebility! |
| 09:46.08 | cb400f | I guess we're old fashioned ;-) |
| 09:46.18 | Sysopa | *smile* |
| 09:46.37 | cb400f | I use dual head for tv-out .. a xinerama setup would be a nightmare for me.. but I can get by with running icewm on the tv |
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| 09:47.08 | cb400f | .. but both gnome and xfce support this pretty well |
| 09:47.23 | cb400f | of course they have other much worse shortcummings ;-) |
| 09:47.52 | Qu4Z | Which form of dual-head, sorry? |
| 09:48.02 | cb400f | two separate x-displays |
| 09:48.11 | cb400f | instead of "one big desktop" |
| 09:48.20 | Qu4Z | Oh right. I don't use it myself, but I can see it being quite useful |
| 09:48.21 | Sysopa | cb400f: yes... or if you're using Games like World of Warcraft with wine on the second display... Alt-Tabbing to related programms and using the second display as (second) normal desktop |
| 09:48.53 | Sysopa | Qu4Z: yes, you're right |
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| 09:53.59 | gilles_ | hi here |
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| 09:54.57 | Sysopa | cb400f: but if the devs does'nt support dualview in the shot future, i have to switch back to 3.5.x - even if i'm crying about... :-( |
| 09:55.25 | gilles_ | i really love kde apps |
| 09:55.50 | gilles_ | but starting a kde session is way too slow |
| 09:55.59 | cb400f | Sysopa: add your votes to the bugreport ;-) |
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| 09:56.57 | cb400f | gilles_: compared to what? |
| 09:56.57 | gilles_ | from power to X it take 40seconds |
| 09:57.33 | gilles_ | btu from X to my desktop usable it took more than 80 seconds |
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| 09:57.43 | cb400f | first login? |
| 09:58.17 | cb400f | on first login all the settings are written and stuff |
| 09:58.19 | gilles_ | so from powering to using a browser it takes up to two minutes ! |
| 09:58.31 | cb400f | if a general login takes 80 secs something is broken on your system |
| 09:59.24 | gilles_ | my pc is a p4 2.6GHz, with 1gb |
| 09:59.54 | cb400f | I'm more interested in your distro and your kde version |
| 10:00.29 | gilles_ | if i change to enlightenment total boot time wille be 60 seconds compared to up to 120 sec |
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| 10:01.07 | gilles_ | i'm using jaunty and i'm testing 4.3 beta 2 |
| 10:01.41 | gilles_ | but with 4.2 it was nearly the same |
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| 10:02.06 | cb400f | do you seriously think that's the general startup time? |
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| 10:02.37 | gilles_ | i know there plasmoids and kopete |
| 10:02.42 | cb400f | for me 4.2 starts in 10-15 secs.. and 4.3 beta maybe in 15-20 |
| 10:03.02 | cb400f | and my hardware is roughly comparable to yours |
| 10:03.05 | Qu4Z | Slower? That ain't good >_< |
| 10:03.22 | cb400f | it's beta |
| 10:03.30 | gilles_ | do you have a lot of plamoids ? |
| 10:03.51 | gilles_ | compositing |
| 10:04.32 | cb400f | on my laptop with 4.3 beta I have a ton of them.. different plasmoids on dashboard, screensaver and each virtual desktop |
| 10:04.52 | cb400f | I found that the opendesktop plasmoid slowed down startup a bit |
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| 10:05.16 | cb400f | .. but plasmoids are not important.. if you want to do benchmarks you should try with a fresh user and default settings |
| 10:05.52 | cb400f | if some random plasmoid causes problems you can't blame all of kde |
| 10:05.59 | gilles_ | thats only for first boot |
| 10:06.14 | cb400f | like I said.. first boot is different |
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| 10:06.22 | cb400f | it creates a lot of stuff |
| 10:06.31 | gilles_ | if i logout and login again it would be much fast |
| 10:07.03 | cb400f | yes.. but that's a different situation again, that's a hot start |
| 10:07.16 | gilles_ | so no hope ? |
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| 10:07.35 | cb400f | what's interesting imo is a cold start of kde, with an already created user environment, but with default settings |
| 10:08.00 | gilles_ | windows xp it akes ~ 60 seconds |
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| 10:08.39 | cb400f | your system is broken somehow.. how hard is it to understand.. and you're using beta on top of that... |
| 10:08.52 | cb400f | .. and now you compare that with 10 years old OS'es |
| 10:08.53 | gilles_ | for you a cold start takes what |
| 10:09.02 | Guest46957 | I've found hotstarting "relatively" slow switching to 4.2 from 3.5 |
| 10:09.25 | Guest46957 | I suspect it is compositing |
| 10:09.40 | cb400f | for me on opensuse with kde4.2 a grub to kdm is about 40-45 secs.. and kde startup is 10-15 |
| 10:09.57 | Klaus_Dieter | Guest46957: slow startup problems on my machine are caused by a whacked up dbus |
| 10:10.01 | cb400f | .. and that's with a ton of crap running |
| 10:10.16 | genewbie | i upgraded my mplayer to the lastest version, but now the icons on my KDE4.2 have disappeared. how can i add the icon back in the KDE multimedia menu? |
| 10:10.34 | gilles_ | things like kopete, folder view |
| 10:10.47 | Guest46957 | the time to bring up ssh-askpass is "normal" but then there's a fair lag to get an initial glimpse of the desktop, before it starts re-downloading all the docs & webpages I was viewing prior to logout |
| 10:11.12 | gilles_ | also i noticed file browsing was slower compared to 3.5 |
| 10:11.16 | Guest46957 | normally I logout/in once a week & a reboot only on kernel updates |
| 10:12.08 | Guest46957 | Klaus_Dieter: I'm not sure I'd know how to determine what a whacked up dbus would be like |
| 10:12.27 | Klaus_Dieter | you would probably find out pretty soon once it hits you |
| 10:12.50 | watermind | is going to install beta 2 :) |
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| 10:13.39 | Guest46957 | the 4.2.4 update (opensuse) yesterday seems to have fixed my Kontact problems (it would load the CPU for 100% for 60-90 secs each time I'd touch the search pane) |
| 10:13.39 | Klaus_Dieter | there seem to be nasty race conditions involved. but I was not able to narrow it down so far. on ma pc everything works fine, on my amd64 laptop I cannot even start kmail/kontact/ktorrent/kopete most of the time because it cannot connect to dbus |
| 10:13.52 | Guest46957 | nice one! to whoever fixed it ;-) |
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| 10:18.33 | gilles_ | let's try without compositing |
| 10:19.00 | Guest46957 | OOI, is there a nice "howto debug kde" document somewhere? strace'ing kontact didn't really help as it just showed it hung on a file descriptor, and I couldn't see where the descriptors were created as it seemed to span how the kontact "UI" was spawned by kdeinit4 |
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| 10:23.45 | cghislai | Guest46957: http://www.google.be/search?hl=en&q=howto+debug+kde+site%3Atechbase.kde.org&btnG=Search&meta= |
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| 10:30.56 | Guest46957 | cghislai: thanks, run --nofork was what I was missing |
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| 10:40.33 | opi99 | Why the hell does konversation and konsole have dufferent keys to switch between the tabs :-/ |
| 10:41.20 | narcolessico | opi99, i was just wondering if there's any standard for hotkeys (like freedesktop or such) |
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| 10:41.53 | narcolessico | firefox and konqueror have different hotkeys, and so terminal and konsole |
| 10:42.24 | pinotree | opi99: because konversation is a normal kde application, while konsole embeds a terminal, so there's a good chance keyboard shortcuts are valid for the terminal shell itself |
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| 10:43.07 | Qu4Z | narcolessico: Most of KDE uses shift+left|right afaik. Firefox does Ctrl+Tab, not sure what else does that... |
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| 10:44.42 | MaNI | kmail seems to almost randomly take up large amounts of my cpu for long periods of time, is there an easy way for me to figure out what it is doing that is using so much cpu? |
| 10:46.06 | narcolessico | Qu4Z, i didn't know about ctrl+tab, but ctr+pgup/down (in firefox), while in konqueror is ctrl+shift+arrows (strange: after switching, the address bar gets the focus and i can't switch anymore), and in other apps (like konsole) tab switching is even different (shit+arrows) |
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| 10:46.15 | opi99 | pinotree: but "shift+right/left" are more likely valid for the terminal as "alt+right/left" imho |
| 10:46.54 | Qu4Z | Ah, okay. I always used shift+left/right, but then maybe I set those manually <_< |
| 10:46.55 | narcolessico | new tab: FF ctrl+t, terminal shift+control+t, konquerorctrl+shift+n |
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| 10:47.10 | Qu4Z | narcolessico: ctrl+t in konqueror for me |
| 10:47.20 | Qu4Z | Ctrl+shift+n does ... something? |
| 10:47.24 | Qu4Z | Vertical split, maybe? |
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| 10:47.45 | narcolessico | Qu4Z, for me they're both newtab |
| 10:47.55 | narcolessico | (ctrl+t and ctrl+shift+n) |
| 10:48.18 | Qu4Z | Ah, that'd be it then |
| 10:48.21 | jmut | hi. yesterday I upgraded to kde4 but now it's running 99% CPU. Any way I can reload or something without restarting KDE and loosing all I work on ? |
| 10:48.26 | Qu4Z | But the point is that ctrl+t opens a new tab in konqueror too |
| 10:48.32 | jmut | kde 4.2.4 upgrade I mean..I was having kde 4 before that |
| 10:48.34 | Qu4Z | The fact it has extra shortcuts for it shouldn't really bother you |
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| 10:51.52 | fadoo | hello, is there a way to force the plasma panel to maintain 100% width all the time? i am running kde (4.2.4) in a virtual machine and when i resize the window, the panel (sometimes) does not span the full screenwidth anymore. |
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| 11:00.11 | Guest46957 | fadoo: yes, I think there's an option |
| 11:00.17 | naught101 | Is it possible to get a "meta info" tag in the properties dialogue like in konqueror 3.5.x? |
| 11:00.50 | fadoo | Guest46957, any hint, where to look for it? |
| 11:01.21 | Guest46957 | fadoo: was just looking for you! Unlock widgets, click on cashew, More Settings->Maximise |
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| 11:01.47 | opi99 | *hmpf* If I start kde4 on a system that have no diskspace left and so you fall back to kdm ... your profile will be destroyed :-( |
| 11:02.11 | fadoo | Guest25835, unfortunately this only maximises the panel only once and does not store it as "100%" |
| 11:02.23 | opi99 | Better your plasma profile |
| 11:03.50 | Guest46957 | fadoo: wrong Guest ;-) Sorry, its a 2wk GUI experience for me, but I thought I had seen a maximise button when it was running part width for me. |
| 11:04.26 | Guest46957 | do you think it may be a feature of VirtualBox's guest additions, to notify the VM of geometry changes? |
| 11:04.46 | Guest46957 | long time since I used VMware, but seem to remember a similar thing |
| 11:05.18 | fadoo | yeah well everything else changes the size so i guess the notifications are send |
| 11:05.41 | Guest46957 | fadoo: suggest you backup/snapshot your VM ***BEFORE*** installing Guest Additions, as they tend to be trick to backout - IME |
| 11:05.42 | fadoo | i *guess* it might be a race condition.. as it sometimes seem to work and sometimes not |
| 11:06.44 | fadoo | but otoh there might be an option to just set it to 100% and not to some pixel width value or so... |
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| 11:08.10 | fadoo | it always seems to decrease size when i make the windows smaller.. but not always when i make it bigger... |
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| 11:11.27 | fadoo | ah ok. plasma stores the settings for every width.. so it seems that it just worked in this cases where a known width is used and i already set the panel to 100%... |
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| 11:55.14 | sgon | in kAddressbook, I saw an option "export to mobile phone". what mobile phone OS does it support? Windows Mobile 6.0? I can't find much information about this feature on the web. any detail doc for kAddressbook? thanks a lot. |
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| 11:55.32 | Pegasus_RPG | hello |
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| 11:56.13 | Pegasus_RPG | I have happily been using kde 3.5.x on Debian lenny and was a bit surprised to see the new interface when I installed a new system |
| 11:56.55 | Pegasus_RPG | My question is, is there somewhere else I need to look to find everything that was in the Control Center on 3.5? |
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| 11:57.20 | Pegasus_RPG | And when I try to go to the network manager, it complains that it can't parse the XML |
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| 11:59.35 | babalu | hi, does someone know a program that displays images (such as gwenview) but in which we can refresh the image if it changes on disk |
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| 12:01.10 | sgon | babalu, gthumb ? |
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| 12:01.21 | pARAd0X85 | hi |
| 12:01.24 | pARAd0X85 | I am pleased to inform you about the new kernel native support of multitouch events (2.6.30), you can find more information here |
| 12:01.24 | pARAd0X85 | http://www.lii-enac.fr/en/projects/shareit/linux.html |
| 12:01.34 | babalu | sgon: i don't know i'll try |
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| 12:01.42 | cb400f | babalu: what version of gwenview do you have? ... here F5 reloads (kde 4.2.4) |
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| 12:02.16 | babalu | sgon: actually i won't try it to much gnome stuff to install |
| 12:02.50 | babalu | cb400f: 2.2.2 on kde 2.4.2 |
| 12:02.56 | babalu | on kde 4.2.2 :d |
| 12:03.08 | sgon | babalu, no worries. I think gwenview is the best one in kde. gthumb is the best one in gnome. :) I use gthumb. |
| 12:03.24 | cb400f | you should have it too then.. it's in the file menu.. and you can also add a button to the toolbar if you wish to |
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| 12:05.12 | babalu | yes actually you're right |
| 12:05.31 | sgon | do anyone use kAddressbook and windows mobile OS? wondering how to do contacts sync.... |
| 12:05.37 | babalu | but why do you have kde 4.2.4 and me 4.2.2 ? |
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| 12:06.27 | cb400f | babalu: ask your distro... you shouldn't worry.. some people still have kde 3.5 ;-) |
| 12:06.33 | Pegasus_RPG | Can I change KDE 4.2's look & feel to match KDE 3's? |
| 12:06.47 | Pegasus_RPG | So I can still find stuff? :) |
| 12:07.19 | cb400f | what can't you find for example? |
| 12:08.30 | cb400f | in 4.3 you can make systemsettings more like kcontrol.. dunno what else you have in mind |
| 12:08.51 | cb400f | my advise is just to suck it up, and forget about kde3 ;-) |
| 12:09.07 | BeholdMyGlory | When you right click on an icon in KDE4's Folder View, is it possible to get the same right click menu as Konqueror (especially the "Move to"-option)? |
| 12:09.38 | cb400f | migrating from kde3->4 is pretty much like migrating from windows->kde3 or whatever.. just forget everything you think you know, and open your mind.. or you'll fail |
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| 12:13.03 | cb400f | BeholdMyGlory: what version of kde4 do you have? ... I have the "move to" options in folderview context menu (kde 4.2).. think it uses dolphin settings for it |
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| 12:14.20 | BeholdMyGlory | I don't have it in Dolphin either. Version 1.2.1, KDE 4.2.4 |
| 12:14.25 | Pegasus_RPG | cb400f: I've been trying to do that |
| 12:14.46 | aaw | Kkkk |
| 12:14.58 | Pegasus_RPG | But it's frustrating when I need to do something and I get an error message...makes me want to reach for the console |
| 12:15.42 | aaw | ???? |
| 12:15.53 | Pegasus_RPG | The Network Manager for example |
| 12:16.32 | Pegasus_RPG | I'll make a list of things next time I have my KDE 4 system in front of me and come back. :) |
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| 12:17.03 | Pegasus_RPG | thanks! |
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| 12:23.57 | BeholdMyGlory | Ah, I see, "move to" was hidden by default. Why would they hide it by default? Oh well. |
| 12:24.26 | thiago | hidden by default? |
| 12:24.33 | thiago | where were things hidden? |
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| 12:25.24 | BeholdMyGlory | "move to" in the context menu in dolphin when right clicking a file |
| 12:26.14 | thiago | huh? |
| 12:26.23 | thiago | KDE doesn't have hiding in menus |
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| 12:27.00 | BeholdMyGlory | No, I mean, you had to activate it in Dolphins settings in order for it to show up in the context menu. |
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| 12:49.43 | N9NU | io |
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| 12:53.18 | uperto | hi, i would like toi |
| 12:53.32 | maniel | hi |
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| 12:53.46 | maniel | anybody encountered something like this: http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5586/szot.png ? |
| 12:54.06 | maniel | after few hours of running plasma behaves like this |
| 12:54.13 | maniel | i have to restart it |
| 12:54.26 | maniel | i'm using kubuntu 9.04 x86_64 |
| 12:54.32 | maniel | with kde 4.2.4 |
| 12:54.32 | uperto | whoa not easy to go on irc with a phone... |
| 12:54.53 | maniel | uperto: your messagess are displaying twice |
| 12:55.16 | uperto | i want to change kde4's cube dome |
| 12:55.20 | thiago | maniel: yes, I've seen that |
| 12:55.22 | thiago | maniel: upgrade |
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| 12:55.41 | uperto | ? |
| 12:56.00 | N9NU | Version 4.2.90 (KDE 4.2.90 (KDE 4.3 Beta2)) |
| 12:56.03 | N9NU | nice version |
| 12:56.04 | maniel | thiago: i've encountered that on svn builds of kde 4.3 on opensuse before i moved to ubuntu |
| 12:56.28 | psteyn | will kde 4.3 have pinheiros new tabs? : http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2009/05/oxygen-is-back-to-work.html |
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| 12:56.49 | thiago | maniel: upgrade there too |
| 12:56.51 | psteyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.08 | maniel | thiago: newer version of kde is only available in karmic koala, it's not released yet:> |
| 12:57.12 | N9NU | i like those |
| 12:57.15 | maniel | i'm afraid a bit to use it |
| 12:57.33 | thiago | maniel: it's been backported to 4.2.4 |
| 12:57.46 | thiago | psteyn: yes, those tabs are there |
| 12:57.53 | psteyn | sweet ^^ |
| 12:58.02 | maniel | thiago: you mean this error? |
| 12:58.05 | N9NU | change the color to electric blue w/ white text = very nice |
| 12:58.22 | thiago | maniel: no, the fix to that error :-) |
| 12:58.27 | maniel | ah |
| 12:58.30 | thiago | we don't backport errors :-) |
| 12:58.51 | maniel | yeah, not intentionally:P |
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| 12:59.35 | uperto | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:04.31 | Androidfan467 | let 's try again with another client |
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| 13:05.52 | uperto | it looks better, art last my messages arbitra,t |
| 13:05.58 | kdepepo | psteyn, the page you mentioned even says so. |
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| 13:06.09 | psteyn | yeah, just curious if it really made it |
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| 13:06.53 | kdepepo | psteyn, it is a screen shot, not a mockup. Nuno's mockups look better ;) |
| 13:07.03 | psteyn | cool |
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| 13:11.35 | maniel | thiago: was this bug reported on bugs.kde.org? a link would be handy;-) |
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| 13:12.59 | nikitis | Question. I have my nvidia drivers installed and working, but I cannot enable KDE 3d Desktop effects. it's greyed out. Could someone help me. |
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| 13:14.00 | cb400f | what distro is this, and how did you install the drivers? .. maybe composite is not enabled in xorg.conf? |
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| 13:14.13 | maniel | it's kubuntu afaik;-) |
| 13:14.15 | nikitis | Kubuntu |
| 13:14.24 | nikitis | and drivers were installed manually |
| 13:14.31 | maniel | nikitis: did you install needed packages? |
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| 13:14.42 | nikitis | maniel: not sure, how can i check? |
| 13:15.30 | nikitis | i do have direct rendering set to Yes |
| 13:15.37 | nikitis | and Games work |
| 13:15.39 | nikitis | 3d ones |
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| 13:17.20 | maniel | dunno, maybe you installed compiz and it's running or you havent installed libkwineffects1 package [ don't know if it's needed] |
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| 13:18.16 | nikitis | maniel: don't think i installed compiz necessarily |
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| 13:19.07 | edneymatias | hi there people! |
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| 13:20.40 | nikitis | Is compiz what is used for kde? or is it something else? Please guys i don't have a clue |
| 13:21.33 | psteyn | nikitis: it's kwin |
| 13:22.01 | psteyn | you dont need compiz in kde4, infact, you shouldnt use it at all in kde4 |
| 13:22.08 | nikitis | what's the default window manager in case kwin doesn't work when I replace it |
| 13:22.10 | psteyn | go to system settings, then desktop and enable desktop effects |
| 13:22.16 | psteyn | dont replace anything |
| 13:22.22 | psteyn | kwin is the default |
| 13:22.23 | nikitis | psteyn: for the last time, it's greyed out |
| 13:22.25 | marko_d | yeah, use kwin |
| 13:22.31 | nikitis | i can't just enable it. |
| 13:22.36 | nikitis | something is wrong |
| 13:22.37 | marko_d | compiz works ? |
| 13:22.40 | nikitis | no |
| 13:22.43 | nikitis | i'm on kde |
| 13:22.46 | nikitis | didn't install it |
| 13:22.54 | marko_d | nikitis: games work ? |
| 13:22.56 | nikitis | but it worked when I was using gnome on my last distribution. |
| 13:22.58 | nikitis | marko_d: yes |
| 13:23.09 | nikitis | glxinfo |grep direct brings up yes |
| 13:23.09 | marko_d | which distro ? |
| 13:23.13 | nikitis | kubuntu |
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| 13:23.41 | nikitis | Driver is enabled |
| 13:23.41 | marko_d | which driver/card ? |
| 13:23.47 | psteyn | ask #distro then, im using plain kde4 with a 5200 nvidia and my desktop effects work |
| 13:23.47 | nikitis | nvidia 8600 GT |
| 13:23.55 | nikitis | psteyn: they sent me over here |
| 13:24.07 | nikitis | because drivers are installed |
| 13:24.09 | psteyn | ofcourse they did ;/ |
| 13:24.13 | nikitis | they said it's a kde issue |
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| 13:24.35 | psteyn | doubtful |
| 13:24.41 | maniel | nikitis: try to install drivers from a package, this dkms automagic is really cool in ubuntu;-) |
| 13:24.59 | marko_d | i use kde4 svn on archlinux, kde4 + nvidia drivers on 5200 |
| 13:25.01 | nikitis | maniel: but they aren't the latest drivers |
| 13:25.05 | nikitis | and i need them |
| 13:25.11 | nikitis | because i use xinerama |
| 13:25.16 | marko_d | desktop effects work great |
| 13:25.19 | nikitis | and there's a bug with older nvidia drivers |
| 13:25.25 | psteyn | also archlinux +| 5200 here |
| 13:25.41 | marko_d | psteyn: svn ? |
| 13:25.43 | marko_d | :) |
| 13:25.44 | nikitis | where you get GLX_BAD_RENDER errors after you've run just one 3d program |
| 13:25.59 | nikitis | so the new drivers are a must |
| 13:25.59 | psteyn | nah, normal 4.2.4 |
| 13:26.06 | nikitis | which aren't packaged with kubuntu |
| 13:26.13 | nikitis | so i had to manually compile |
| 13:26.16 | psteyn | using as my work desktop, cant really afford potential breakage :) |
| 13:26.21 | marko_d | psteyn: svn works better :) |
| 13:26.34 | marko_d | but i don't really work on it |
| 13:26.51 | marko_d | so i can play with svn |
| 13:26.52 | nikitis | Says this when going to enable desktop effects Required X extensions (XComposite and XDamage) are not available. |
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| 13:27.22 | psteyn | nikitis: try run: nvidia-xconfig |
| 13:27.36 | marko_d | nikitis: yeah try as psteyn said |
| 13:27.47 | psteyn | then save that to a xorg file, and replace /etc/X11/xorg.conf (but backup old one).. then restart kde and try again |
| 13:28.04 | marko_d | do sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /root/etc/xorg.conf.bac |
| 13:28.18 | marko_d | then nvidia-xconfig |
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| 13:28.54 | nikitis | brb |
| 13:28.54 | cghislai | is there a cmake flag to build kdelibs without kde3support? |
| 13:29.11 | cghislai | -DBUILD_kde3support=OFF doesn't work |
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| 13:30.35 | thiago | cghislai: why would you want that? |
| 13:30.48 | nikitis | Ok, i ran nvidia-xconfig and restarted X. It still says the same thing |
| 13:31.51 | cghislai | thiago: my distro provides kdelibs3, so i thought it might be superflous. It seems its still there historically, im i wrong? |
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| 13:32.38 | cghislai | kde 4.0 milestone say "Using Q3Support and/or kde3support is ok, though not desired" |
| 13:32.49 | cghislai | :) |
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| 13:33.39 | thiago | cghislai: you're wrong :-) |
| 13:33.48 | thiago | cghislai: kde3support is a KDE 4 library |
| 13:34.04 | cghislai | thiago: yeah, but why is it there? |
| 13:34.15 | cghislai | to be able ti run kde3 apps not yet ported? |
| 13:34.18 | thiago | no |
| 13:34.24 | thiago | to run KDE 4 apps that haven't finished porting |
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| 13:34.44 | thiago | or, rather, that have finished porting but haven't stopped using the KDE3Support classes |
| 13:34.44 | cghislai | thiago: are there still? |
| 13:35.09 | thiago | many |
| 13:35.12 | nikitis | Any other ideas? |
| 13:35.21 | thiago | I don't think we'll ever get rid of them |
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| 13:36.14 | marko_d | nikitis: try without xinerama |
| 13:36.42 | nikitis | marko_d: do I need Option "AllowGLXWith Composite" "True" under section screen? cause it's not there |
| 13:37.02 | marko_d | thiago: is there a performance/stability penalty when using kde3 support classes |
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| 13:37.17 | marko_d | nikitis: i don't think so |
| 13:37.27 | cghislai | thiago: effectively, a simple grep filled my console hostory :) |
| 13:37.39 | thiago | marko_d: not measureable |
| 13:37.55 | Half-Left | nikitis: Not anymore |
| 13:38.07 | marko_d | thiago: so in short, no :) |
| 13:38.07 | cghislai | you should never have provided those classes, you won't get rid of them :) |
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| 13:38.28 | Half-Left | You don't even need composite, since Xorg enables this by default nowdays |
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| 13:39.27 | nikitis | Half-Left: well something is borked cause drivers are installed manually, and working, but can't enable desktop effects |
| 13:40.08 | Half-Left | nikitis: Legacy Nvidia? |
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| 13:41.03 | nikitis | no, nvidia 8600 GT. with NVIDIA Driver version 185.18.14 |
| 13:41.04 | fadoo | is there a way to globally enable graphicssystem raster without recompiling qt? konsole for example is dead slow without it here.. |
| 13:41.15 | thiago | fadoo: there is |
| 13:41.24 | thiago | fadoo: but it's risky and you should do that at your own peril |
| 13:41.39 | thiago | fadoo: more likely than not, KWin will probably stop working altogether. |
| 13:41.50 | fadoo | sure, as long as i know how to turn it off again :) |
| 13:41.52 | Half-Left | nikitis: That could be a number of things, compile kde? |
| 13:42.04 | fadoo | thiago, what's the trick? |
| 13:42.05 | nikitis | Half-Left: default kubuntu install |
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| 13:42.12 | mgraesslin | kwin disables raster |
| 13:42.36 | fadoo | i don't use compositing with kwin fwiw... |
| 13:42.39 | Half-Left | nikitis: So you have OpenGL ok? |
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| 13:43.01 | nikitis | Half-Left: yes. Direct Rendering: Yes. and I can play World of Warcraft lol |
| 13:43.05 | thiago | fadoo: other applications (besides kwin) may behave erratically |
| 13:43.11 | thiago | fadoo: like I said, do it at your *own* risk. |
| 13:43.19 | thiago | fadoo: recompile Qt from sources. There's an option there. |
| 13:43.24 | Half-Left | nikitis: Strange |
| 13:43.34 | nikitis | Half-Left: indeed. I need some real help here |
| 13:44.06 | nikitis | Half-Left: I am new to kde. So i may not have some packages needed to enable 3d effects. |
| 13:44.14 | nikitis | but i wouldn't know what to install |
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| 13:44.31 | Half-Left | nikitis: It should just enable after the driver install |
| 13:44.37 | nikitis | Half-Left: i get a do not have XComposite and XDamage packages |
| 13:44.41 | fadoo | thiago, so the only way is to recompile qt? |
| 13:44.49 | nikitis | Half-Left: wish it were that easy, but that's not happening |
| 13:45.27 | fadoo | hoped for some hidden environment variable or setting in a conf :) |
| 13:45.33 | thiago | fadoo: yes |
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| 13:45.44 | Half-Left | nikitis: What happens when you tick "Disable functionality checks"? |
| 13:45.49 | thiago | recompile Qt, then fix any applications that misbehave |
| 13:45.57 | thiago | or restart then with -graphicssystem native |
| 13:45.59 | nikitis | Half-Left: where is that located |
| 13:46.17 | Half-Left | In Advanced in the Desktop Effects settings |
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| 13:46.37 | fadoo | thiago, ok. thanks for the information. i'll think about if it's worth the effort. |
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| 13:47.30 | fadoo | for now i only saw a *major* improvement with konsole and was quited stunned... |
| 13:47.47 | thiago | uses native and sees no performance problems in konsole |
| 13:48.39 | nikitis | Half-Left: the tab is greyed out |
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| 13:49.18 | Half-Left | Click Enable Desktop Effects and tick it and apply |
| 13:49.25 | nikitis | Half-Left: says compositing is not supported on my system on the general tab only. Though i've used it before with gnome when i had ubuntu. So i know it supports it. SOmethings got to be missing |
| 13:49.31 | fadoo | well, here "raster" does some real magic with konsole (using vmware video driver) |
| 13:49.35 | nikitis | Half-Left: i cannot lol. It's greyed out |
| 13:49.59 | Half-Left | Enable Desktop Effects is grayed out? |
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| 13:50.14 | nikitis | Half-Left: sigh.... Yes. I wouldn't be in here if it wasn't |
| 13:50.27 | Half-Left | You didn't say that |
| 13:50.30 | nikitis | yes i did |
| 13:50.34 | nikitis | scroll up |
| 13:50.42 | nikitis | like 40 lines |
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| 13:51.46 | Half-Left | Well Ask #kubuntu then, maybe it's stuck two fingers up at you :p |
| 13:51.52 | nikitis | Half-Left: I have an info marker on the General tab that says "Compositing is not supported on your system. Required X extensions (XComposite and XDamage) are not available." |
| 13:52.02 | nikitis | Half-Left: they sent me here. |
| 13:52.31 | nikitis | Half-Left: #Kubuntu said it's a KDE issue because the drivers are installed and working correctly. |
| 13:54.03 | Half-Left | No idea why that would happen unless the packages where not compiled in at the time (which is what it suggests) |
| 13:54.18 | Half-Left | Default Kubuntu? |
| 13:54.20 | nikitis | yup |
| 13:54.46 | Half-Left | 64bit, 32bit? |
| 13:54.46 | nikitis | Half-Left: is there a package i need to install from the repo? |
| 13:54.48 | nikitis | 32 |
| 13:54.57 | Rasi | nikitis: you can test if it is kde or your system... install xcompmgr and run it |
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| 13:55.03 | Rasi | if that works its kdes fault |
| 13:55.04 | Half-Left | You don't need any extra ones |
| 13:55.29 | nikitis | No composite extension |
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| 13:55.44 | Rasi | that says xcompmgr? |
| 13:55.57 | Rasi | see? then its your drivers fault |
| 13:56.02 | Rasi | no kde issue |
| 13:56.02 | nikitis | xcompmgr says "No composite extension" |
| 13:56.11 | Half-Left | nikitis: Post your xorg.conf at pastbin |
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| 13:57.30 | nikitis | http://fpaste.org/paste/14719 |
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| 13:59.19 | Half-Left | nikitis: Have you altered it in any way? |
| 13:59.41 | nikitis | Half-Left: Well i did just run nvidia-xconfig, but no change |
| 14:00.05 | nikitis | one sec |
| 14:00.06 | nikitis | brb |
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| 14:02.29 | nikitis | Ok i'm back |
| 14:03.12 | nikitis | here is the xorg.conf configuration I have now. http://fpaste.org/paste/14720 |
| 14:03.22 | nikitis | it's with xinerama enabled |
| 14:03.40 | Half-Left | You seem to be missing some stuff |
| 14:04.11 | nikitis | Such as? |
| 14:04.31 | Half-Left | Section "Module" |
| 14:05.03 | Half-Left | Though with the Xorg changes I'm not sure if it's actually relevant now |
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| 14:05.28 | Half-Left | Since Xorg hotplugs, it may not need that |
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| 14:05.44 | nikitis | Well it works well enough, but are you sure I don't need option Composite "true" |
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| 14:06.06 | Half-Left | No because it comes as default enabled in XOrg |
| 14:06.27 | nikitis | Well apparently it isn't enabled |
| 14:06.45 | Half-Left | So unless Kubuntu has done something then you don't need it# |
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| 14:07.06 | Half-Left | Try adding the line then |
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| 14:07.17 | nikitis | ok, brb |
| 14:07.31 | Half-Left | You know how to do it? |
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| 14:08.18 | pano_ | is here anyone using last.fm, that would like to test something for me (it's about a possible KHTML bug)? |
| 14:08.29 | nikitis | Under screen section add Option "Composite" "true" |
| 14:08.32 | pano_ | brb |
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| 14:10.37 | khaije|amalt | using the lancelot kicker it would be nice to have the list scroll by tracking the position of the mouse instead of needing to click the scroll bar or use the scroll wheel |
| 14:10.49 | mike____ | hello, is it somehow possible to set the format of the digital clock in kde4 to 24hours? |
| 14:11.07 | khaije|amalt | kopete used to do this for it's contact list but the feature was removed, so i know it's possible |
| 14:11.20 | khaije|amalt | would i be barking up the wrong tree by requesting this? |
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| 14:13.02 | nikitis | Adding composite enabled to section Extensions didn't work. Still greyed out. |
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| 14:13.35 | Half-Left | being totally disabled suggested a problem other than KDE |
| 14:13.45 | cghislai | mike____: look in regionalization/laguage maybe |
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| 14:15.47 | Half-Left | So maybe your xorg package or it's extensions is broken somehow |
| 14:15.53 | nikitis | Half-Left: how do I check if I have all the kwin dependancies |
| 14:16.33 | Half-Left | Ask your distro channel. We don't provide support for packages |
| 14:16.38 | nikitis | k |
| 14:16.53 | Half-Left | Since they have different names |
| 14:16.57 | nikitis | I did sudo apt-get build-dep kwin and a crap ton of packages need installing |
| 14:17.23 | thiago | apt-get = distro stuff |
| 14:17.28 | thiago | kdesvn-build = KDE stuff |
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| 14:21.54 | kai_ | hi there, what can explain this behaviour: i have a kde app with chown root:root and chmod +s and it does not start |
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| 14:22.07 | Umeaboy | Hi! |
| 14:22.20 | thiago | KDE apps don't work with setuid |
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| 14:22.44 | Umeaboy | I'm now trying some kde-stuff in Windows 7. There seems to be a tutorial/guide missing for one game. |
| 14:22.50 | kai_ | thiago: so? |
| 14:22.55 | thiago | so what? |
| 14:22.59 | thiago | they don't work |
| 14:23.03 | Umeaboy | Lskat. |
| 14:23.21 | kai_ | thiago: on arch i get an error stating that it does not work |
| 14:23.27 | kai_ | on ubuntu it worked |
| 14:23.34 | thiago | same application? |
| 14:23.36 | kai_ | and on opensuse no error message at all |
| 14:23.38 | kai_ | thiago: yep |
| 14:23.45 | kai_ | right now im using opensuse |
| 14:23.56 | kai_ | it's for a sample buffer overflow for university |
| 14:23.56 | thiago | ok |
| 14:24.09 | thiago | so, what's your problem when you don't set chmod +s? |
| 14:24.26 | kai_ | so root privileges |
| 14:24.31 | kai_ | i want to have a shell |
| 14:24.32 | thiago | use su or sudo |
| 14:24.41 | kai_ | because that's kinda "lame" |
| 14:24.58 | kai_ | i dont need to exploit a buffer overflow if i do have sudo access |
| 14:25.16 | kai_ | the only thing i want to do is: load a image |
| 14:25.26 | kai_ | geht a shell stating whoami: "root" |
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| 14:25.32 | thiago | you don't need to exploit a buffer overflow, period |
| 14:25.33 | kai_ | on ubuntu (even 64) it worked |
| 14:25.38 | kai_ | but we have to use opensuse |
| 14:25.43 | thiago | KDE doesn't allow setuid applications |
| 14:25.43 | thiago | period |
| 14:25.54 | cghislai | which is a good thing IMHO |
| 14:25.55 | kai_ | i do cause it's for my university |
| 14:25.56 | thiago | so, what is your problem when you use a KDE application without setuid? |
| 14:26.03 | picketfences | Would this be the place for help with Fedora 10? |
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| 14:26.09 | kai_ | because it's for my university? :) |
| 14:26.11 | thiago | picketfences: no, that would be #fedora |
| 14:26.16 | kai_ | otherwise i wouldn't run it |
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| 14:26.20 | picketfences | Right. Thanks. |
| 14:26.31 | thiago | kai_: if your University asked you to make a setuid root KDE app, tell them back that KDE developers told you it's not possible. |
| 14:26.34 | cghislai | kai_: if you can suid your exec, why can't you su? |
| 14:26.36 | thiago | kai_: request a different assignment |
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| 14:27.00 | kai_ | cghislai: it's a sample prohejt |
| 14:27.06 | kai_ | a 10 liner nothing more |
| 14:27.21 | kai_ | thiago: then i asked you why does it work under ubuntu |
| 14:27.22 | kai_ | ?! |
| 14:27.27 | thiago | kai_: ubuntu bug |
| 14:27.34 | thiago | the KDE libraries DO NOT allow setuid executables |
| 14:27.39 | kai_ | and arch gives me an error message while opensuse does not |
| 14:27.44 | kai_ | is there a "workaround"? |
| 14:27.47 | thiago | yes |
| 14:27.49 | thiago | don't use setuid |
| 14:28.00 | thiago | use kdesu instead |
| 14:28.15 | kai_ | that's kinda creepy |
| 14:28.24 | cghislai | kai_: thats a good thing |
| 14:28.33 | kai_ | yeah it is :) |
| 14:28.39 | kai_ | but not for the stuff i have to do ;) |
| 14:28.55 | kai_ | anyway thanks |
| 14:28.57 | cghislai | kai_: it will just get harder than expected, good work :) |
| 14:29.01 | kai_ | i have ti find another way though |
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| 14:29.19 | kai_ | hmm |
| 14:29.31 | Umeaboy | This is the error I see: http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=177427-Lskat%20error.png |
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| 14:32.34 | cghislai | Umeaboy: look if you have separate doc packages for kdegames |
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| 14:33.25 | Umeaboy | cghislai: How do I see that and if it's so, what do I change it to? |
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| 14:33.49 | cghislai | Umeaboy: how did you install kde? |
| 14:34.01 | Umeaboy | Via the Windows installer from the site. |
| 14:34.27 | cghislai | how its kde on windows :) i din't notice |
| 14:36.47 | Umeaboy | Okey. |
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| 14:36.59 | cghislai | lemme see if i have this doc |
| 14:37.49 | Umeaboy | You think you could add it to the installer for later versions if you HAVE it? |
| 14:37.57 | cghislai | Umeaboy: most likely the windows build are broken |
| 14:38.07 | cghislai | Umeaboy: and sorry i can't do that :/ |
| 14:38.33 | cghislai | Umeaboy: you could file a bug report on bugs.kde.org |
| 14:38.56 | cghislai | but unfortunately it seems kde on windows has lost some popularity recently |
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| 14:39.56 | Umeaboy | cghislai: Could be for its ugly skin. :) |
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| 14:40.44 | cghislai | Umeaboy: yeah, you might try installing a virtual machine if your platform is performant enough |
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| 14:42.32 | Umeaboy | But I don't want to install KDE entirely. |
| 14:42.54 | heise2k | are you really supposed to use kde on windows? isn't it just a tease to get a real operative system |
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| 14:44.08 | Umeaboy | heise2k: I just want to test using it. |
| 14:44.08 | cghislai | Umeaboy: you didn't install the whole kde on your windows? |
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| 14:44.27 | Umeaboy | On Windows, yes. |
| 14:44.36 | Umeaboy | On the whole HDD NO. |
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| 14:44.58 | cghislai | Umeaboy: just remove it, install a virtual machine and install Chakra , youll get better result for small consessions |
| 14:45.21 | cghislai | (chakra or anything else, im just doing some branding) |
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| 14:46.28 | Vladimiroff | Hello, where is kdemaildir source in the SVN? |
| 14:46.41 | Vladimiroff | Because before a few months it was in svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdepim/maildir |
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| 14:46.44 | Vladimiroff | now is missing |
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| 14:48.09 | pinotree | Vladimiroff: did you ask in #kontact? |
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| 14:49.04 | Vladimiroff | pinotree: nope, I though here will get the answer. will try there, thanks |
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| 14:49.53 | Vladimiroff | pinotree: Uh...there is no such as #kontact channel? |
| 14:50.07 | pinotree | Vladimiroff: sure it is |
| 14:50.43 | pinotree | type /join #kontact |
| 14:50.50 | Vladimiroff | arghh...no no...the question mark |
| 14:51.01 | Vladimiroff | I've tried to join into #kontact? :D |
| 14:51.09 | pinotree | ... |
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| 14:54.33 | nikitis | Okay, get this guys. As soon as I disabled Xinerama, the desktop effects kicked in. But I can't use my 2nd monitor. What's going on here? |
| 14:55.00 | nikitis | I can move my mouse around on my 2nd monitor, but it's a giant X for a mouse cursor and i can't do anything with it |
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| 14:55.24 | nikitis | Please do not tell me that you cannot use 3d Desktop effects with dual monitors |
| 14:56.51 | cb400f | nikitis: you're using two different x displays now? |
| 14:57.03 | thiago | nikitis: you can |
| 14:57.15 | thiago | has Xinerama (TwinView) with desktop effects |
| 14:57.25 | nikitis | cb400f: yes, it's set to two separate x displays, however, nothing can be done on the 2nd display. the cursor is an x |
| 14:57.40 | thiago | KDE 4 does not with separate displays |
| 14:57.42 | thiago | it just doesn't work |
| 14:57.53 | nikitis | WHAT?! |
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| 14:58.01 | cb400f | kde4 doesn't support that.. either you must run icewm or something on the 2nd monitor.. or use the xinerama stuff |
| 14:58.17 | nikitis | So xinerama with twinview? |
| 14:58.24 | nikitis | think that's the only one i haven't done |
| 14:58.25 | cb400f | nikitis: join the club https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156475 ;-) |
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| 14:58.35 | nikitis | that's way more than a bug |
| 14:58.40 | nikitis | that's a deficiency |
| 14:59.29 | thiago | one that no one cares about |
| 14:59.32 | thiago | use xinerama |
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| 15:00.41 | psteyn | kde can use more than one display |
| 15:00.44 | shal3r | I just wanted to say that current KDE4 is awesome :) |
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| 15:01.06 | nikitis | HA, that did it. twinview wasn't enabled |
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| 15:01.33 | nikitis | i have dual screens with desktop effects |
| 15:01.50 | nikitis | so if that's what it was, maybe i can uninstall these old drivers, and install the latest again |
| 15:01.57 | nikitis | brb |
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| 15:10.06 | nikitis | Yay, that all works now. I have one more question for you guys. How come my desktop shortcuts do not show their icons? I get a paper with a ? on it. Even if I browse to a .png icon, it will not display it. Anyone know why? |
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| 15:14.45 | Half-Left | You don't have previews enabled? |
| 15:14.45 | Guest46957 | nikitis: I have the same for some of my icons, and also customised logos within Konqueror |
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| 15:15.01 | bitshuffler | Hello. Could anyone running 4.3 (preferrable recent trunk) see if switching the wallpaper type to "Mandelbrot" stalls plasma? |
| 15:15.06 | nikitis | Guest46957: how do you fix it? |
| 15:15.26 | Guest46957 | nikitis: "I have the same for some of my icons, and also customised logos within Konqueror" ;-) you tell me! |
| 15:15.36 | nikitis | i'm trying to fix it myself |
| 15:15.41 | nikitis | why I asked the question |
| 15:16.35 | Half-Left | nikitis: What icon theme are you using? |
| 15:16.40 | Guest46957 | I had my moans yesterday, I'm trying to pay back some helpfulness |
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| 15:17.12 | nikitis | This is my first time using KDE in like 9 years |
| 15:17.19 | nikitis | so I'm learning |
| 15:17.25 | nikitis | I know gnome like the back of my head |
| 15:17.33 | Guest46957 | I've just switched from the uber-reliable 3.5 to the uber-delightful 4.2 |
| 15:17.45 | drantin | doesn't actually know the back of his head very well |
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| 15:17.58 | nikitis | I do, i shave it every day |
| 15:17.59 | drantin | my eyes being on the other side and all |
| 15:18.01 | Half-Left | 'back of my hand' :) |
| 15:18.09 | nikitis | my head i see all the time |
| 15:18.22 | Guest46957 | but I'm a philistine, main reason I have a desktop is to get multiple xterms across virtual desktops ;-) |
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| 15:18.34 | nikitis | Half-Left: turned out to be kde doesn't support desktop effects with separate x screens, you have to have twinview enabled |
| 15:18.53 | nikitis | Half-Left: that was my problem ;( |
| 15:19.05 | Guest46957 | of course, when I found wobbly windows last year with Compiz, there was no going back |
| 15:19.06 | Half-Left | ahhh, well, I know nothing about dual screen setups :) |
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| 15:19.27 | nikitis | Half-Left: well it started working once i accidentally remove one of my screens lol |
| 15:19.31 | bitshuffler | Or, in other words: Is anyone on 4.3 to use the "Mandelbrot" wallpaper type without crashing plasma? |
| 15:19.35 | nikitis | Half-Left: then i knew what to research |
| 15:19.35 | Half-Left | hehe |
| 15:19.37 | bitshuffler | *able to use |
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| 15:19.54 | Guest46957 | excetp KDE is so clever, I now don't even need compiz/fusion |
| 15:20.15 | nikitis | Half-Left: have any clue as to why my desktop icons don't show? |
| 15:20.30 | nikitis | They are there, but no graphics for the icons |
| 15:20.38 | Half-Left | nikitis: Like I said "What icon theme are you using"? |
| 15:20.53 | nikitis | hmm... icon theme? <=== KDE NOOB |
| 15:21.12 | Half-Left | systemsettings>Appearance>icons |
| 15:21.51 | nikitis | Half-Left: Oxygen |
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| 15:22.17 | Half-Left | And you have png mimetypes missing? |
| 15:22.26 | nikitis | dunno |
| 15:22.29 | nikitis | yeah |
| 15:22.30 | nikitis | i do |
| 15:22.33 | nikitis | .png |
| 15:22.36 | nikitis | don't show |
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| 15:23.07 | nikitis | Half-Left: exactly is what is happening, mime type for png is not showing. |
| 15:23.08 | Half-Left | Select another icon theme and replly the Oxygen icon theme |
| 15:23.25 | Half-Left | re-apply* |
| 15:24.31 | nikitis | Half-Left: still no go. |
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| 15:24.44 | bitshuffler | Could anyone running 4.3 please try to set the wallpaper type to "Mandelbrot" and let me know if it crashes plasma? I just would like to know if that's a general KDE bug or distro specific. |
| 15:24.46 | nikitis | When i browse to select the icon, it shows up, in the menu selection. |
| 15:24.47 | Half-Left | wow, Kubuntu is pretty broken :p |
| 15:25.02 | nikitis | but once i hit Ok, it won't show |
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| 15:26.00 | nikitis | Half-Left: yeah, gnome gets all the love |
| 15:26.06 | nikitis | with ubuntu guys |
| 15:26.20 | Half-Left | bitshuffler: Works fine here |
| 15:26.29 | bitshuffler | Half-Left: thank you :) |
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| 15:33.39 | PuffTheMagic | is there a special package i need to get remote calendars working with kontact? |
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| 16:14.36 | ShishKabab | Hello. I've just set up my GPG keys. When I want to send a GPG encrypted / signed e-mail with KMail it fails with the error "bad passphrase" altough I haven't entered a passphrase into KMail. How do I solve this? |
| 16:15.23 | thiago | did you set up gpg-agent? |
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| 16:16.52 | DarthArachides | Can I disable sound notifications in kde4.3 beta 2 yet? |
| 16:17.30 | ShishKabab | thiago: No. I did get some messages about gpg-agent during the generation of the keys though... (I'm touching GPG for the first time, by the way) |
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| 16:18.39 | suse_ | please tell me how to find out the version of kde in opensuse and update the same |
| 16:18.50 | thiago | ShishKabab: you need to set up gpg-agent first |
| 16:18.57 | thiago | suse_: kde4-config --version |
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| 16:19.22 | DarthArachides | Know how to disable sound notifications in kde4.3, anyone? |
| 16:19.41 | ShishKabab | thiago: Could you please give me some pointers on how to do that (a tutorial or something)? |
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| 16:20.16 | thiago | ShishKabab: gg:kmail gpg-agent |
| 16:20.23 | thiago | you'll find the information |
| 16:20.27 | thiago | probably on techbase.kde.org |
| 16:20.37 | pinotree | DarthArachides: system settings → notifications → system notifications |
| 16:20.41 | pinotree | (and be patient) |
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| 16:20.58 | ShishKabab | thiago: Nice. Will look at it. Thanks! |
| 16:21.05 | suse_ | kde4-config --version outputs Qt: 4.4.3 |
| 16:21.05 | suse_ | KDE: 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3) "release 4.10.4" |
| 16:21.05 | suse_ | kde4-config: 1.0 |
| 16:21.13 | thiago | suse_: there you go |
| 16:21.13 | suse_ | is that the latest version?? |
| 16:21.17 | thiago | no |
| 16:21.19 | thiago | 4.2.4 is the latest |
| 16:21.23 | DarthArachides | pinotree: gah, of course; how could I have missed that. Thanks! |
| 16:21.26 | thiago | 4.3.0 beta 2 is the latest development |
| 16:22.12 | suse_ | is there any way of updating it in opensuse 11.1?? |
| 16:22.21 | DarthArachides | thiago: and it totally rocks! |
| 16:22.26 | pinotree | that's a question for the #opensuse-kde channel |
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| 16:23.02 | suse_ | ok |
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| 16:26.13 | romullo | hi |
| 16:26.23 | romullo | anyone knows how i can reinstall all the plasma packages? |
| 16:26.27 | romullo | (jaunty, KDE 4.2) |
| 16:26.49 | thiago | ask #kubuntu |
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| 16:27.37 | romullo | thiago: i already asked :) |
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| 16:29.45 | Janni | Hi. |
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| 16:30.07 | Janni | I'm confused. Where can I configure the (auto)mount/media settings in KDE? |
| 16:30.19 | Janni | Couldn't find it in kcontrol |
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| 16:32.39 | thiago | KDE 4 does not automount |
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| 16:34.33 | Janni | I have KDE-3.5 |
| 16:34.42 | ShishKabab | thiago: I set up gpg-agent according to http://kontact.kde.org/kmail/kmail-pgpmime-howto.php#gnupg and the test works. I do get the same "bad passphrase" error though.... |
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| 16:37.03 | thiago | ShishKabab: have you restarted KMail since you set it up? |
| 16:37.50 | ShishKabab | thiago: Good idea. I'll also start it from the same terminal I set up gpg-agent just to be sure... |
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| 16:40.00 | ShishKabab | thiago: It works! Thanks. |
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| 17:09.07 | jaredo | Hello, I'm running kde 4.2 with a dual monitor setup using the nvidia drivers. Both monitors are detected in the nvidia setup but the "display" area of system config is only showing 1 |
| 17:09.26 | jaredo | I can move my cursor to the 2nd monitor but cant use it |
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| 17:10.14 | jaredo | what file does kde hold display settings in? |
| 17:10.54 | thiago | nowhere |
| 17:10.54 | InforMed | Hi! Akregator 1.4.50 using kde 4.3 beta 2 doesn't auto-download feeds? Is t a know bug? Can someone confirm please? |
| 17:10.56 | thiago | that's an X setting |
| 17:11.03 | thiago | InforMed: I can't confirm |
| 17:11.31 | jaredo | xorg.conf determines which monitor kde should use as primary? |
| 17:12.37 | thiago | yes |
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| 17:18.50 | meta_ | Hi all |
| 17:19.04 | meta_ | what is the name of the app that shows up when i changes the volume from keyboard |
| 17:19.05 | meta_ | in kde4? |
| 17:19.39 | meta_ | it was kmilo iirc in kde3, but what is it now? I just need a little osd stuff, which is able to display stuff like volume, brightness, etc |
| 17:19.45 | meta_ | i want to use it form cli |
| 17:19.46 | meta_ | any idea? |
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| 17:37.30 | s|mon | hi there i've installed 4.2.4 today with krename 3.9.3 and don't get the action menu in konqueror to rename with krename, any hints what might be wrong |
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| 17:51.30 | max_gentoo_64 | what are the changes in 4.2.91 compared to 4.2.90? |
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| 17:56.10 | neighborlee | hi just wondering..im using fedora 11 release..and whe n I boot to desktop ( kde 4.2.3), the backgrond is 3/4 size..then screengoes blank/black for few moments..then desktop shows up and its full size again..is this a bug in new kde features or fedora , or both ? ;)) |
| 17:56.33 | neighborlee | or maybe the background itself..shrug<> |
| 17:57.23 | neighborlee | is one I downloaded from kde-look.org: golden-sea |
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| 18:09.41 | kdepepo | max_gentoo_64, you could get a svn log between the revisions |
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| 18:25.32 | hallowname | even tho stasks is broken against trunk atm, i like its behavior better than the default task manager. |
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| 18:26.24 | hallowname | 'hover -> close' beats 'rightclick -> close' with a stick. and 'hover -> click' for group window selection beats 'click -> click' |
| 18:26.38 | csims | #adult |
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| 18:29.10 | opi99 | if I copy files in dolphin and there is an error I only get "Skip" "Autoskip" and "Cancel" ... I miss "Retry" |
| 18:29.20 | deco | how do i remove the bouncy icon effect from kde 4 ? |
| 18:29.47 | jemv | Will be better to jump from 4.2 to 4.3 that 4.1 to 4.2? |
| 18:29.57 | opi99 | deco: In the System Configuration |
| 18:30.39 | opi99 | jemv: Depends on the problems you had from 4.1 to 4.2 |
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| 18:31.29 | jemv | no, i havent any problems |
| 18:31.41 | jemv | sorry for my english |
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| 18:32.01 | deco | opi99: is it just calle system configuration? sorry im using fedora 11 they might have changed the name? |
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| 18:32.36 | opi99 | deco: its in systemsettings |
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| 18:33.04 | deco | opi99; ok im in there but i really don't see the bouncy effect option |
| 18:33.04 | kdepepo | jemv, what is your real question? |
| 18:33.12 | Half-Left | deco: systemsettings>Desktop>Launcher Feedback |
| 18:33.46 | deco | Half-Left: ah , thank you much :-) |
| 18:33.52 | deco | opi99: thank you too |
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| 18:34.10 | jemv | Will be more difference between 4.3 vs 4.2 than 4.2 vs 4.1??? |
| 18:34.40 | opi99 | deco: Desktop > Launcher Feedback |
| 18:35.31 | opi99 | jemv: There will be differences ... but what do you want to know? |
| 18:35.56 | deco | kde 4.2 rocks! what an improvement :-) |
| 18:36.14 | Half-Left | jemv: Not really no but lots of great stuff people want |
| 18:36.14 | kdepepo | how do you define difference? Look? Number of new features? |
| 18:36.32 | jemv | thats new features like 4.2 was |
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| 18:37.16 | kdepepo | 4.3 adds (badly needed) polish and bugfixes, not so much new features |
| 18:37.44 | Half-Left | Yeah, it's alot more stable in my view |
| 18:37.45 | jemv | ok |
| 18:38.03 | kdepepo | jemv, for a list of new features, you will have to wait for the announcements, or follow svn logs :) |
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| 18:38.15 | eshat | Hi all, why does firefox show a gnome filemanger, when uploading files, although I am on KDE 4.2.4 ??? |
| 18:38.32 | jemv | how can I follow the svn logs? |
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| 18:38.40 | kdepepo | eshat, because firefix isn't a KDE program. |
| 18:39.10 | kdepepo | jemv, http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&r=1&w=2 |
| 18:39.20 | jemv | eshat you should use konqueror |
| 18:39.27 | Half-Left | http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.3-beta2.php |
| 18:40.06 | csims | y |
| 18:40.49 | eshat | jemv: But then I need to relearn all shortcuts :( |
| 18:42.27 | kdepepo | eshat, file a bug report at mozilla site, that they use the KDE libraries, at least for the file dialogs :) |
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| 18:43.19 | Klaus_Dieter | is there a way of setting the print command in okular and other kde apps? |
| 18:43.32 | Klaus_Dieter | since printing from kde is totally whacked, I want to use gtklp which gets the job right |
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| 18:44.12 | Half-Left | Printing is not totaly whacked in KDE |
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| 18:44.29 | Half-Left | totally* |
| 18:44.45 | Half-Left | 4.1, yep :p |
| 18:44.56 | Klaus_Dieter | Half-Left: try printing a set of slides using okular where you put 4 slides on one page and duplex the thing |
| 18:45.21 | Klaus_Dieter | Half-Left: it does unexpected stuff because the page orientation is just wrong |
| 18:45.44 | Klaus_Dieter | Half-Left: if the default cups setting is to print only page 2-7 then okular will not override this even if set to "print all pages" |
| 18:46.43 | jemv | Could I install gnome-do on kde?? |
| 18:46.43 | Klaus_Dieter | and funky stuff like that |
| 18:46.43 | Klaus_Dieter | I am on 4.2.4 |
| 18:46.43 | hallowname | Klaus_Dieter: leftover failure from the qt port? or a kde/okular issue? |
| 18:46.43 | Klaus_Dieter | and if this is not whacked, then I do not know what else it could be |
| 18:46.43 | Klaus_Dieter | hallowname: what do you mean? |
| 18:46.46 | Klaus_Dieter | hallowname: I do not know if it is okular, I have also had similar issues when printing from kmail |
| 18:46.51 | Half-Left | Well, that thing what you're doing maybe. it's not "totally whacked" because KDE4.2 prints ok in general |
| 18:47.17 | Klaus_Dieter | Half-Left: I admit that this use case is not the most daily task but still it should work |
| 18:47.27 | Klaus_Dieter | it is not really what youcould call fancy either |
| 18:48.03 | Half-Left | I wouldn't know. I don't use Okular for printing |
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| 18:49.04 | Klaus_Dieter | Half-Left: what do you use for printing? |
| 18:49.26 | Klaus_Dieter | Half-Left: is there anything that is as good as gtklp but also displays a preview like the acrobat reader? |
| 18:49.30 | Klaus_Dieter | :) |
| 18:49.43 | Half-Left | No idea |
| 18:49.57 | Klaus_Dieter | what the acrobat reader does under windows for printing seems ideal |
| 18:50.00 | Half-Left | I dont print PDF's |
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| 18:51.09 | jemv | you can install acrobat reader if you want |
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| 18:52.18 | Klaus_Dieter | jemv: yeah but printing on linux with acroread is a different story |
| 18:52.26 | Klaus_Dieter | sadly |
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| 18:53.28 | jemv | why? I do it easily |
| 18:53.54 | Klaus_Dieter | hmm interesting. I admit that I have not tried it here because I have only read complaints about it |
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| 18:54.12 | Klaus_Dieter | and you are the first to tell me that this works well. So maybe I should give it a shot |
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| 18:55.13 | jemv | I recognise that is better the preview of acroread than the okular and evince |
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| 18:59.13 | Half-Left | Klaus_Dieter: Slides, duplex? |
| 18:59.15 | fatalerrors | do you know if a vlc backend exists for phonon? this should be great! |
| 18:59.18 | dsfasdfasdfs | hello i cant start my kde desktop using fedora 11 kde, when i try to log in i see the splash screen and then i get kicked back to kdm what can i do? here is my .xsession-errors file. http://pastebin.com/d48ee0874 i cant also see any tty. |
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| 18:59.39 | Klaus_Dieter | Half-Left: it is a pdf file with powerpoint slides |
| 19:00.22 | spirov92 | why the hell can I open a Konsole tab in Konversation? |
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| 19:01.03 | cghislai | to hack on it easily of course |
| 19:01.04 | Half-Left | well, proprietary stuff. What do you expect :p |
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| 19:01.24 | Sho_ | spirov92: Some people like having their MUD client in Konversation, to combine their chat-like activities in one window |
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| 19:03.57 | spirov92 | Sho_: what exactly is that MUD thing? can't find anything on Google |
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| 19:04.59 | Sho_ | spirov92: A genre of text-based multiplayer games: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD |
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| 19:05.22 | stefano | hello |
| 19:05.42 | stefano | I removed the down panel on kde 4 |
| 19:06.03 | stefano | then a added a new panel |
| 19:06.25 | stefano | I added some icons (kickoff, stasks, pager, ) |
| 19:06.29 | stefano | etc |
| 19:06.42 | stefano | but I can't understand how to use a spacer |
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| 19:07.04 | stefano | when I click "set flexible size" |
| 19:07.11 | spirov92 | put it in a place where you want space ? :) |
| 19:07.15 | stefano | the spacer becomes little |
| 19:07.17 | stefano | short |
| 19:07.25 | stefano | ok |
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| 19:07.52 | stefano | but I want that objects on the left side of the spacer stay on the left side |
| 19:08.13 | stefano | without moving while openning or closing applications |
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| 19:08.35 | poppler | hi there |
| 19:08.42 | stefano | (and sorry for my english mistakens) |
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| 19:09.20 | poppler | I've set expire times on my kmail folders. I there a way to auto-expire the folders instead of having to click "expire" from time to time? kde 4.2.4 |
| 19:09.29 | poppler | *Is there |
| 19:09.48 | spirov92 | stefano: they should. the whole taskbar is a single widget. |
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| 19:11.44 | stefano | it works |
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| 19:11.50 | stefano | you're right |
| 19:12.11 | stefano | it's stasks that doesn't works properly |
| 19:12.21 | stefano | *work |
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| 19:14.46 | deco | whats the best distro right now for kde4 ? |
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| 19:15.33 | spirov92 | NOT openSUSE, since kde 4.2 is not officially supported :( |
| 19:15.36 | Half-Left | Best is any ones guess |
| 19:15.57 | deco | spirov92: what do they support? |
| 19:16.11 | deco | right now im using fedora 11 but it's too bleeding edge they are even using firefox 3.5 beta |
| 19:16.12 | spirov92 | 4.1. |
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| 19:16.17 | deco | oh:-( |
| 19:16.28 | Half-Left | Fedora 11 is popular, there KDE4 respin version is good |
| 19:16.36 | Half-Left | their* |
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| 19:16.48 | deco | Half-Left: indeed , it's awesome but they are too bleeding edge with some stuff |
| 19:17.02 | Half-Left | I wouldn't say so |
| 19:17.21 | deco | Half-Left: firefox 3.5 beta thats too much for me |
| 19:17.38 | Half-Left | beta4, it's very good as well |
| 19:17.53 | mokoloko | and a year ago everybody realesed with ff3 beta |
| 19:18.04 | deco | mokoloko: not everybody |
| 19:18.14 | Half-Left | Much faster than 3.0x |
| 19:18.21 | deco | Half-Left: yep |
| 19:18.32 | deco | Half-Left: faster to start up too |
| 19:19.02 | mokoloko | and the beta4 does support basically all the major extensions and html5 video tag support is cool :) |
| 19:19.08 | Half-Left | Fedora was right to ship it though. In 6 months 3.0.x will be old :p |
| 19:19.24 | mokoloko | not too bleeding edge IMHO :P |
| 19:19.40 | deco | mokoloko: yeah i checked it out ,the html4 videos run so smoothly better than flash |
| 19:19.45 | deco | html 5 |
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| 19:20.02 | mokoloko | yeah but well we use konqueror anyway dont we :) |
| 19:20.11 | deco | lol sure :P |
| 19:20.50 | mokoloko | 4.3 konq seems to get video tag support |
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| 19:21.05 | deco | so what's a good distro apart from fedora for kde 4.2 ? |
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| 19:21.33 | mokoloko | I wonder how's the firefox's Qt gui coming along |
| 19:21.58 | Half-Left | mokoloko: Don't hold your breath, put it that way :) |
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| 19:22.27 | mokoloko | deco: mandriva 2009.1 is very good also |
| 19:22.58 | Klaus_Dieter | deco: freebsd :) |
| 19:23.08 | deco | mokoloko: tried it but it was so slow i don't know which version of kde4 they were using |
| 19:23.15 | deco | Klaus_Dieter: no thanks :P |
| 19:23.19 | mokoloko | PC-BSD, kubuntu too, sabayon 4.1 kde |
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| 19:23.48 | deco | sabayon compile everything from source no thanks :P |
| 19:23.55 | deco | kubuntu tried it was too slow |
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| 19:25.00 | deco | just found out opera was made with qt no wonder it looks so much better in kde :P |
| 19:25.22 | deco | mokoloko: what do you use? |
| 19:25.34 | Half-Left | No KDE integration, it's a Qt app |
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| 19:26.53 | mokoloko | deco: konqueror mostly but sometimes rekonq, arora or firefox when konq doesn't work |
| 19:27.06 | deco | mokoloko: i mean distro |
| 19:27.44 | mokoloko | fedora 10 with kde 4.3b1 |
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| 19:28.34 | kdepepo | openSUSE has 4.2.4 and 4.3beta2 in repositories ... the fact that 4.1.3 is shipped simply is because openSUSE has been released before 4.2 was out. |
| 19:29.05 | Half-Left | And openSUSE has a 8 month release cycle |
| 19:29.27 | kdepepo | I doubt that make your distribution decision based on release order ("in summer I use X, in winter Y, in spring Z....") |
| 19:29.42 | Klaus_Dieter | hmm what is rekonq? |
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| 19:30.00 | deco | kdepepo: can you upgrade to 4.2 with a simple update? |
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| 19:30.16 | kdepepo | deco, as simple as a click on a web button. |
| 19:30.19 | mokoloko | Klaus_Dieter: http://rekonq.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:30.27 | Klaus_Dieter | hmm thx |
| 19:30.27 | deco | kdepepo: k thanks |
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| 19:30.53 | mokoloko | kind of like arora but with kde integration |
| 19:31.23 | deco | someone told me that they don't like kde4 because it looks too much like vista :-( |
| 19:31.28 | Klaus_Dieter | is it usable? what about those flash plugins and video tags etc? |
| 19:31.32 | kdepepo | anything that lacks abblock is unusable, so I use konqueror :) |
| 19:31.46 | kdepepo | deco, you can change the look. |
| 19:32.36 | mokoloko | you can make it look like OS2 or win95 if you like |
| 19:32.49 | Half-Left | Everything looks like Vista now days, so people keep saying :p |
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| 19:33.04 | kdepepo | http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=high&page=0&xcontentmode=34 |
| 19:33.05 | Klaus_Dieter | since we are talking browser. konqueror tells me that it cannot start the cookie service so I cannot log in to various sites requiring cookies |
| 19:33.10 | Klaus_Dieter | no fun |
| 19:33.14 | deco | he just told me "why would i cant to" "it sucks" |
| 19:33.16 | Klaus_Dieter | what can I do about it? |
| 19:33.26 | deco | why would i want to * |
| 19:34.59 | Half-Left | Klaus_Dieter: What distro? |
| 19:35.05 | Klaus_Dieter | Half-Left: freebsd |
| 19:35.14 | NSaibot | any idea how the imap/pop3 data engine progresses? |
| 19:35.35 | Klaus_Dieter | I would be happy if I got an error message instead of this "yeah, it is broken <ok>" |
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| 19:37.12 | Half-Left | Sounds like you have some breakage there. |
| 19:37.40 | Half-Left | kded running? |
| 19:37.59 | Klaus_Dieter | hmm interesting |
| 19:38.00 | Klaus_Dieter | it is not |
| 19:38.05 | Half-Left | Bing |
| 19:38.13 | Half-Left | bingo! |
| 19:38.17 | Klaus_Dieter | but starting it leads to the message "kded already running" |
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| 19:39.14 | Half-Left | That sort of thing was fixed ages ago, strange you have that |
| 19:39.39 | DexterF | how the heck do I move applets in kde4-licker (or whatever applets and kicker got renamed to) |
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| 19:40.49 | Klaus_Dieter | well maybe I should start kded4 instead of kded |
| 19:40.53 | Klaus_Dieter | doh |
| 19:41.04 | Klaus_Dieter | that is what I get for mixing kde3 apps with kde4 |
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| 19:43.02 | Half-Left | yep |
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| 19:44.11 | Klaus_Dieter | narf printing websites from konqueror is also broken |
| 19:44.20 | Klaus_Dieter | I am trying to print this: http://www.chefkoch.de:80/magazin/artikel/140,2/Chefkoch/Rezept-Exotischer-Nudelsalat.html |
| 19:44.43 | Klaus_Dieter | and I get a pdf file "processing on... in 0.2sec" and the page is otherweise empty |
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| 19:53.22 | Half-Left | Klaus_Dieter: Is it printer friendly? does print here |
| 19:53.32 | Klaus_Dieter | hmm |
| 19:53.45 | Klaus_Dieter | I seem to have a bad-software-day |
| 19:53.55 | Klaus_Dieter | I just opened it with firefox and there it prints |
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| 19:56.04 | Klaus_Dieter | hmm I can't wait when kile is usable for kde4 so I can throw away my kde3 installation |
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| 20:19.05 | pulaski | Hi, I use nfs to connect to another computer that acts as a file server. How can I create an icon on the desktop of my client that will allow acces to the shared directories on the server? |
| 20:19.52 | joshuajtl | can I reset kmail delete everything to start over from scratch? |
| 20:20.03 | pulaski | Incidently the shares are mounted on my client. |
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| 20:21.03 | pulaski | and, additionally I am using the new kde 4.2. |
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| 20:28.45 | dvoid__ | how can i get to the desktop setting screen without using the cashew? |
| 20:29.22 | dvoid__ | or right clicking the desktop |
| 20:29.39 | Half-Left | Why, is that no enough ways? |
| 20:29.50 | dvoid__ | the desktop has crashed ;) |
| 20:30.05 | Half-Left | Alt, F2 |
| 20:30.21 | dvoid__ | ...and then |
| 20:30.23 | Half-Left | restart plasma |
| 20:30.32 | dvoid__ | na does not help |
| 20:30.40 | Half-Left | type plasm,a |
| 20:30.43 | Half-Left | plasma* |
| 20:30.49 | dvoid__ | i think im missing the background plasmoid |
| 20:30.52 | dvoid__ | the desktop itself |
| 20:31.00 | dvoid__ | i just did an upgrade. i think something has changed |
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| 20:31.48 | PuffTheMagic | does anyone know how to use googledata and akonadi with kontact to get the calendard to sync with gcal? |
| 20:32.19 | dvoid__ | opensuse has a desktop-without cashew thing, and its not included in all kde releases. so if i upgrade to a release that does not incldue it, the desktop goes blank |
| 20:33.10 | einar77 | PuffTheMagic: I think you have to add it as a resource in akonadi |
| 20:33.16 | einar77 | I'm still not sure it syncs |
| 20:33.31 | PuffTheMagic | how do I do that? |
| 20:33.36 | Half-Left | ask #opensuse |
| 20:34.13 | junkDawgie | if you just upgraded, dvoid, start with a default desktop.... rm /kde4/share/config/plasma* |
| 20:34.14 | dvoid__ | why cant i get to the desktop setup screen trough the controlpanel.. |
| 20:34.28 | dvoid__ | junkDawgie, k , ill try that |
| 20:35.48 | junkDawgie | that will remove the plasma-appletrc and plasmarc files and when you logout/login again... you'll get the default setup |
| 20:36.24 | junkDawgie | you may have a widget than needs upgrading too |
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| 20:42.00 | RichiH | will konqui 4.3 support loading flash on demand? i.e. just display the borders & a button to actually start whatever is emdedded there? |
| 20:43.27 | rellin | Is it possible to hack Dolphin to, while using the fish:// kioslave, open its built-in terminal to the directory on the SSH server? |
| 20:45.31 | rellin | Or is it possible to get the path that the current session of Dolphin is at into a terminal so I can write a script to do it for me? |
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| 20:49.52 | RichiH | rellin: if all else fails, ctrl-l, ctrl-a, ctrl-c |
| 20:50.34 | rellin | RichiH: I dont know how to script that, hehe. |
| 20:50.52 | jcesario | what gui app allows you to adjust the volume controls for pulse in KDE? |
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| 20:51.18 | rellin | RichiH: Although I guess I can script something to take the output of that and SSH to it. Thanks for the suggestion. |
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| 21:02.31 | RichiH | rellin: klipper can do actions |
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| 21:03.08 | opi99 | jcesario: kmix |
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| 21:10.14 | rellin | RIchiH: Okay I'm figuring it out sorta. This is totally not as smooth as just having the attached Dolphin terminal open to the right place. |
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| 21:11.41 | RichiH | rellin: heh, agreed |
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| 21:11.55 | muh2000 | hi |
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| 21:12.34 | muh2000 | grml @ kde |
| 21:12.44 | muh2000 | lockup when there is no internet |
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| 21:13.54 | rellin | RichiH: Seems like my only choice is to settle for messiness unless I wanna dig through Dolphin code. I know C++ but barely anything about KDElibs. Think it's too hard to do? |
| 21:14.11 | htrejh | hi |
| 21:14.12 | htrejh | are there any plans to integrate ooo better with kde? |
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| 21:15.19 | RichiH | rellin: nfc, sorry |
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| 21:15.31 | RichiH | rellin: on a hunch, press f4 |
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| 21:20.06 | rellin | RichiH: I think the best I can do without touching Dolphin's source would be to make a CTRL-L, CTRL-A, CTRL-C, F4, script_name + argument: CTRL-SHIFT-V, ENTER |
| 21:20.10 | poppler | where's the expire folders on exist option in new kmail I can't seem to find it |
| 21:20.16 | poppler | *on exit |
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| 21:21.29 | Half-Left | htrejh: Ask OpenOffice devs |
| 21:21.57 | mguezuraga | Hey! Multi touch support in linux featuring a kde 4 desktop! http://www.lii-enac.fr/en/projects/shareit/linux.html |
| 21:22.00 | htrejh | i did, no answer yet, curious if you gyuys did know |
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| 21:22.32 | Half-Left | KDe can't do anything about it, it's GTK in the end |
| 21:22.43 | rohan_ | in konsole, i want to use ctrl-tab and ctrl-shift-tab to switch between next and previous tab respectively. the first shortcut works, however the ctrl-shift-tab has no effect. i am using kde 4.2.2 on kubuntu 9.04. |
| 21:23.00 | htrejh | ooo isn't in gtk |
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| 21:23.55 | joshuajtl | is anyone using kmail for gmail? imap or pop? does imap act slowly, where it checks everytime you go into a folder? |
| 21:25.00 | rellin | joshuajtl: yes, same problem. I've heard that gmail's imap implementation isn't perfect. |
| 21:25.45 | TheSimkin | 4.2.4 is AWESOME guys |
| 21:25.46 | TheSimkin | thanks! |
| 21:25.46 | joshuajtl | ah ok, rellin why not just use pop then? |
| 21:25.58 | Half-Left | htrejh: Uses java doesn't it, so how does the UI fit? |
| 21:26.07 | yao_ziyuan | i guess everyone here are using oxygen-molecule as gtk+ engine now, right? |
| 21:26.45 | htrejh | no it uses X i think, and on gnome it looks like gtk, but its bad |
| 21:26.45 | rellin | joshuajtl: pop has problems synchronizing perfectly across devices. I use gmail's web client as well as kmail, and imap syncs much better. |
| 21:27.10 | htrejh | it converts to gtk, strange, dunno how you could convert x to qt |
| 21:27.11 | joshuajtl | hmmm |
| 21:27.47 | Half-Left | htrejh: Stranger things have been said, like OO.o is a gnome app :p |
| 21:27.56 | htrejh | not at all |
| 21:28.03 | Half-Left | Well of course not |
| 21:28.13 | Half-Left | But people believe it is |
| 21:28.38 | htrejh | k |
| 21:28.38 | rellin | yao_ziyuan: people probably use oxygen style much less than you think. I use Phase. It has no problems. |
| 21:28.57 | htrejh | Half-Left: is it hard to make it look like qt? |
| 21:29.06 | Half-Left | No idea |
| 21:29.46 | rellin | joshuajtl: if you want to try POP, go ahead, but my suggestion is to log onto gmail in your browser and start Archiving stuff in your inbox. that should decrease load times. |
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| 21:30.30 | joshuajtl | my inbox isnt very full |
| 21:30.47 | rohan | will the desktop-as-folderview retain the icon arrangement across reboots? |
| 21:31.24 | joshuajtl | can anyone tell me how to reset kontact and kmail and everything in kontact? just uninstall? |
| 21:31.29 | rellin | joshuajtl: with my SMTP setup, it doesn't take long to load unless I have a lot of new emails that aren't already cached by Kmail. |
| 21:32.50 | yao_ziyuan | rellin: i mean, oxygen-molecule is a gtk+ theme engine that resembles the kde4 oxygen style so well |
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| 21:36.07 | TheSimkin | wow |
| 21:36.10 | TheSimkin | 4.2.4 is beautiful |
| 21:36.16 | TheSimkin | I <3 you guys. |
| 21:36.21 | TheSimkin | and amarok 1.2 is pretty slick too! |
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| 21:40.08 | rohan | damn my panel hung.. how do i "kill" or "restart" the panel/ |
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| 21:41.05 | lrathbon | rohan: xkill? |
| 21:41.36 | lrathbon | or killall -9 kicker (or whatever it's called now... sorry, I'm not really too up on kde4) |
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| 21:41.58 | rohan | lrathbon: that's exactly what i was thinking :-s |
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| 21:42.20 | rohan | damn man how irritating is this :-s |
| 21:42.27 | lrathbon | rohan: huh |
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| 21:43.11 | rohan | i used ctrl-alt-esc then the skeleton to kill the panel.. now it's gone, not appearing again :-s |
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| 21:43.25 | lrathbon | rohan: try alt+f2, 'kicker', enter |
| 21:43.35 | burgua | how to configure layout switching? I want ot switch russian/english with LCtrl+LShift. But sometimes I need alsa german/ukrainian. how to make ukr/german "invisible" for layout switching? |
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| 21:44.26 | lrathbon | rohan: oh wait, it's plasma now in kde4... sorry, don't listen to me, I have no idea about kde4 :/ |
| 21:44.27 | rohan | lrathbon: i got it.. you need to kill and restart plasma |
| 21:44.46 | lrathbon | rohan: good |
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| 21:46.47 | kde185 | Is there a way to disable the wallet system for knetworkmanager? I'm getting really sick of having to enter in my password every time I log in and want to use the wireless network. |
| 21:47.28 | kde185 | I tried hitting "cancel" when asked to enter a password the first time, but then it just didn't save WEP password. |
| 21:47.45 | burgua | uninstall it |
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| 21:49.01 | kde185 | burgua: are you sure that is necessary? I'd like to avoid messing around with the packages that are installed by default if possible. |
| 21:50.08 | burgua | kde185: nope |
| 21:50.26 | kde185 | burgua: alright well I'll give it a shot anyway |
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| 22:00.35 | kabdotinfo | What's the reason for making KDE more resourcehungry? |
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| 22:02.10 | lrathbon | kabdotinfo: what's the reason for asking a question for no reason other than to troll? |
| 22:02.24 | kabdotinfo | Troll? |
| 22:02.45 | jcesario | if your gonna troll you could at least use correct spelling and grammar. |
| 22:03.19 | Sho_ | true. we're used to higher-quality trolling. |
| 22:03.24 | kabdotinfo | And what did I type wrong? |
| 22:03.24 | Sho_ | we have our standards. :) |
| 22:04.15 | lrathbon | kabdotinfo: come on... any idiot can see you've asked an extremely loaded question... |
| 22:04.25 | jcesario | well for starters. resourcehungry is two words. second of all, it couldve been "Why does KDE use more resources than X" |
| 22:04.39 | jcesario | which may produce a productive conversation. |
| 22:05.22 | jcesario | also. the question is pointless. you couldve asked: "Why does Kate use more resources than gvim; or notepad" |
| 22:05.43 | jcesario | not saying it does. just an example. no flames please. |
| 22:05.43 | Half-Left | Sho_: lol |
| 22:06.54 | gionny | jcesario: the answer to your Kate question is simple... that's because Kate is a woman! lol |
| 22:07.24 | Half-Left | The grammar isn't that bad, I've seen worse :p |
| 22:07.33 | kabdotinfo | jcesario: Sure, resource and hungry are two words, but resourcehungry is one. "I am resource hungry" is not correct, hence "I am resourcehungry". |
| 22:07.55 | jcesario | yah. no i dont think so. |
| 22:08.00 | lrathbon | well, a compound, maybe, but you'd have to at least hyphenate it |
| 22:08.06 | jcesario | there ya go |
| 22:08.27 | jcesario | gionny: *high five* |
| 22:08.34 | junkDawgie | is it make up your own word day? |
| 22:08.40 | jcesario | ofcoursenot |
| 22:08.53 | junkDawgie | shazbot |
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| 22:09.33 | Half-Left | 'What is the reason for making KDE more resource hungry '. We won't to beat Vista and Windows 7 at it :p |
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| 22:12.40 | kabdotinfo | There was this one example in South Park, "man eating chicken". English is quite daft on that point. But this is offtopic, and I didn't bring it up. (according to you, shouldn't it also be "off topic"?) |
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| 22:15.46 | Half-Left | wow, won't/ want :p |
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| 22:22.23 | deco | kde is bloate :-( |
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| 22:24.13 | Half-Left | bloat is one of the most over used words. It should be classed as a cliche . |
| 22:24.57 | Sho_ | bloat is bloated |
| 22:25.15 | Half-Left | files it under cliche |
| 22:26.59 | Half-Left | Overly used and has changed it's meaning over time. Sound about right the way people use it. |
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| 22:37.04 | med_ | could anyone help me? |
| 22:37.17 | med_ | pleaaaasee ! |
| 22:37.31 | Fri13 | med_: about what? |
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| 22:37.36 | lrathbon | med_: don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 22:37.45 | med_ | i'm running fedora 10 .... kde |
| 22:38.06 | med_ | and i don't know how to put back my panel |
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| 22:38.30 | med_ | all the answers on the internet to this problem are useless |
| 22:38.44 | Fri13 | med_: KDE4 ? |
| 22:39.07 | Fri13 | med_: right click desktop, select "unlock widgets" if they ain't locked. Then right click again, select "Add a panel". |
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| 22:39.41 | med_ | i don't hae unlock widgets |
| 22:39.45 | med_ | have ... |
| 22:39.46 | med_ | :( |
| 22:39.51 | Fri13 | med_: click the "Moo" icon on the panel (right side) and you get configurations. like to possiblity to drag panel where you want, resize it etc). |
| 22:40.03 | Fri13 | med_: Do you have "lock widgets"? |
| 22:41.29 | med_ | yes ... i have locked them and then unlocked |
| 22:41.43 | Fri13 | med_: well, when they are unlocked, you get "add panel" there |
| 22:41.50 | med_ | but i can't se an add panel option |
| 22:42.13 | med_ | only add widgets |
| 22:42.50 | Fri13 | med_: if you do not have the "add panel" option top of the "add widget", then it has dissapeared from there. |
| 22:43.05 | Fri13 | med_: I do not know anything else than then reset plasma settings. |
| 22:43.51 | Charlie_Didear | May I ask a question? |
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| 22:43.56 | Charlie_Didear | How do I make Flash playable on Mozilla Firefox for Fedora 10? I can't download the Adobe Flash Player for Linux either. |
| 22:44.00 | Fri13 | Charlie_Didear: just ask |
| 22:44.22 | joshuajtl | does kde 4.3 konqueror have anything that saves session? saves tabs on quit sort of thing |
| 22:44.40 | Fri13 | Charlie_Didear: if you can not download the tar.gz package and exract the *.so file from that to ~/.mozilla/plugins, then you can not get it work. |
| 22:45.28 | med_ | this is not good..... |
| 22:45.31 | med_ | :( |
| 22:47.14 | kabdotinfo | Is there some sort of poll or statistics on if people are happy with KDE 4? |
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| 22:47.53 | Half-Left | joshuajtl: Nope, only on crash |
| 22:48.28 | joshuajtl | Half-Left: thats odd seems like since on crash it exists, devs could make it a feature normally |
| 22:48.59 | med_ | anyone else with an answer ? .... how can i get back my panel on kde (fedora 10) |
| 22:49.32 | Half-Left | If it crashes you can restore your session, i.e the pages you were looking at before the crash |
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| 22:49.43 | bootsmorris | hello all |
| 22:49.57 | Half-Left | kabdotinfo: No, why? |
| 22:50.17 | med_ | anyone else with an answer ? .... how can i get back my panel on kde (fedora 10)? |
| 22:50.20 | med_ | please |
| 22:50.45 | Half-Left | OOOoo, 4.1 hey? |
| 22:50.47 | Half-Left | ugh |
| 22:51.08 | kabdotinfo | Half-Left: Just curious if I'm alone in my dissatisfaction of 4. Loved 3 though. |
| 22:52.01 | Half-Left | Use what you like, that's the beauty of FOSS |
| 22:52.28 | kabdotinfo | Really? |
| 22:52.31 | Half-Left | No one forces you to use it and you should start fighting against it |
| 22:52.40 | Half-Left | shouldn't* |
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| 22:53.34 | kabdotinfo | I'm not fighting, just curious and hoping it'll become better |
| 22:54.11 | Half-Left | what makes you think it won't? KDE3 did. |
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| 22:54.31 | Half-Left | More me KDE4 is way ahead of KDE3 |
| 22:54.36 | Half-Left | For me* |
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| 22:55.21 | jcesario | whats the proper way to get flash working firefox x86_64 ? |
| 22:55.27 | jcesario | working in * |
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| 22:55.47 | Half-Left | Get the flash 64bit plugin from adobe |
| 22:56.02 | reagleBRKLN | something happened to my kate (3.5.10) highlighting. I have the python file installed, and for a flash I can see it highlight, but then it show with no highlighting, any hints/clues or way to get debug info? |
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| 23:00.23 | kabdotinfo | Half-Left: It just feels that they keep adding more bloat, flashy stuff, and leaving the low-end computers in the dust. |
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| 23:01.05 | Half-Left | plasma desktop is rather light, no idea where you got that idea from |
| 23:02.23 | Half-Left | The "flashy" stuff doesn't add bloat. I've not idea how you can quantify this. |
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| 23:03.39 | poppler | kabdotinfo: I used to feel the same. but have you tried the 4.2 branch? it's nothing like 4.1. I moved forward to 4 now |
| 23:04.43 | Half-Left | People want features, you add features and people say it's bloat. You just can't win. |
| 23:05.18 | poppler | kabdotinfo: there are lots of new features added here and there (take kate for example, the new kate is just well... kontact is great too. and there's akonadi which will bloom in 4.3. ) |
| 23:06.17 | poppler | kabdotinfo: it's rather hard to find all those new hidden features at first. you got to use it for some time before you start to feel the difference with 3.5 |
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| 23:07.35 | kabdotinfo | Latest I tried is Kubuntu 9.04. And I love Kate. |
| 23:08.20 | joshuajtl | kabdotinfo: try fedora 11 |
| 23:08.38 | kabdotinfo | Is KDE done in a way that is like, the very speedy minimal standard needed, taskbar and the rest, and then if you want more features you can add "modules"? |
| 23:08.41 | Half-Left | kabdotinfo: You're using 4.1? |
| 23:08.52 | poppler | Half-Left: no, I think the bloat rumors spread from the fact that kwin now supports load of graphical effects, things which before wele delegated to separate software. That was a very advertised feature in the early stages(at least by bloggers), and add too the disorientation which plasma might give the old 3.5 user at first. Too many people tried it when it wasn't ready yet and got the wrong impression |
| 23:09.01 | poppler | thun the bloated rumors |
| 23:09.03 | poppler | *thus |
| 23:09.26 | joshuajtl | anyone running kde 4.3, i want to use stasks plasma for panel, but problem is in 4.3 it doesnt expand on the panel so i have to use spacers, but spacers dont really work well i have to add like 12 of them and they bunch up the tasks in stasks |
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| 23:09.35 | kabdotinfo | Half-Left: Using 3.5, and tried Kubuntu 9.04 with 4.2 (?). |
| 23:09.51 | Half-Left | 9.10 is 4.2 as I remember |
| 23:10.03 | Half-Left | erm, or is it |
| 23:10.15 | med_ | anyone can tell me how to uninstall the kde ? |
| 23:10.26 | Half-Left | latest stable version is 4.2 |
| 23:10.34 | poppler | oh gosh let's forget 4.1 |
| 23:10.38 | kabdotinfo | 8.04 or 8.10 sucked very much. |
| 23:11.07 | med_ | anyone can tell me how to uninstall the kde ? |
| 23:11.09 | kabdotinfo | (at least on my computers) |
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| 23:11.26 | Half-Left | med_: Ask you distro channel |
| 23:11.36 | poppler | the first time I clicked on the "go to power search" button in new kate I was like WOOOOOOoow |
| 23:11.52 | med_ | what? |
| 23:11.56 | poppler | it's very well done |
| 23:12.22 | poppler | med_: that's your linux distribution problem |
| 23:12.29 | joshuajtl | anyone? |
| 23:13.03 | poppler | joshuajtl: try to ask in #plasma |
| 23:13.16 | Half-Left | joshuajtl: Well we don't support stasks |
| 23:13.17 | MrSprinkles | woo f11 |
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| 23:13.43 | joshuajtl | ok |
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| 23:14.30 | med_ | i can't put back my panel so i think that if uninstall the kde and the install it again it may work |
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| 23:16.16 | Half-Left | med_: try deleting your plasmarc in ~/.kde/share/config |
| 23:17.16 | med_ | oke... |
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| 23:19.09 | med_ | nothing like that in there.... |
| 23:19.11 | med_ | :| |
| 23:19.22 | Half-Left | ~/.kde4 ? |
| 23:19.32 | med_ | yes |
| 23:20.38 | med_ | bash: cd: /root/.kde4/share/config: No such file or directory |
| 23:20.44 | poppler | uninstall the kde and the install it again it may work <-- LOL |
| 23:20.59 | poppler | I see a pattern there |
| 23:21.22 | med_ | :P |
| 23:21.25 | poppler | med_: you're running as root? |
| 23:21.47 | med_ | [root@localhost ~]# |
| 23:21.51 | poppler | med_: probably not, you need to go in the home of the user which run kde4 |
| 23:22.02 | poppler | med_: go to the right home in /home |
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| 23:22.11 | poppler | then .kde4.2 from there |
| 23:22.15 | poppler | or .kde4 |
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| 23:22.36 | poppler | to the home of the user* |
| 23:22.45 | poppler | runs* |
| 23:23.01 | poppler | med_: got it? |
| 23:23.04 | med_ | poppler... do you have time for private? |
| 23:23.14 | poppler | ok real quick |
| 23:23.30 | poppler | though I don't see why you can't talk here |
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