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`01:30.28`	`RickX`	`can anyone tell me how to stop the black configuration bars on plasmoids from appearing every time a cursor moves over them?`
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`01:43.32`	`nikitis`	`How do I minimize to desktop?`
`01:46.12`	`FallenWizard`	`nikitis: there is a show desktop plasmoid`
`01:46.28`	`FallenWizard`	`look for a package with the name plasma-addons or something like that`
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`01:50.49`	`nikitis`	`will that allow me to use a keyboard combo to show desktop?`
`01:52.59`	`FallenWizard`	`yes`
`01:53.04`	`FallenWizard`	`you can set a hotkey`
`01:53.07`	`FallenWizard`	`the config of the plasmoid`
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`01:55.17`	`DC_1966`	`hi`
`01:57.55`	`DC_1966`	`I am just setting up a KDE environment running on Wondows XP. Main focus is Dolphin. I have trouble configuring Dolphin to behave like the Mac OS X finder: select a subdirectory with the arrow keys and not using the enter key. Ist that possible ?`
`01:58.20`	`Kardos`	`lol`
`01:58.40`	`Kardos`	`that's canned lol right there`
`02:01.00`	`nikitis`	`I've search all plasma mods, but i don't see one for show desktop`
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`02:03.34`	`Rasi`	`hooray`
`02:03.39`	`Rasi`	`just update nvidia driver`
`02:03.49`	`Rasi`	`result: kde and nvidia are ONCE AGAIN broken`
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`02:04.06`	`Rasi`	`it even freezes on switching qt themes now...`
`02:04.22`	`Rasi`	`compositing is not working at all, just gives some strange glitches`
`02:05.40`	`Rasi`	`ok`
`02:05.45`	`Rasi`	`kde 4.2 still works`
`02:05.47`	`Rasi`	`4.3 not`
`02:07.34`	`genewbie`	`is 4.3 out yet?`
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`02:14.46`	`karsten_`	`can somebody guide me on how to setup Dolphin (KDE on Win XP) ?`
`02:15.37`	`gk`	`hello, I have kde 4.3 beta 2 installed and I can't find a way to associate different activity with every virtual desktop`
`02:16.02`	`gk`	`my menu lacks these: http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/Dashboards,_activities_and_deskt`
`02:16.07`	`gk`	`any idea why?`
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`02:17.58`	`N9NU`	`right click on desktop and choose "add widget"`
`02:18.42`	`N9NU`	`click on the gnome icon in the upper right corner of the screen`
`02:18.54`	`N9NU`	`that butt ugly orange foot print`
`02:19.08`	`N9NU`	`right click`
`02:19.51`	`N9NU`	`you can add the widget Dashboard`
`02:21.29`	`gk`	`Dashboard = (in Polish) "show plazma board"?`
`02:22.07`	`N9NU`	`my bad........just click on the gnome foot in the upper right corner of the screen`
`02:22.16`	`N9NU`	`forget the widget for now`
`02:22.31`	`N9NU`	`left click on that foot and select ZOOM OUT`
`02:22.59`	`N9NU`	`from there you can setup separate dashboards`
`02:23.01`	`N9NU`	`and such`
`02:23.18`	`N9NU`	`ZOOM back in on the image to get back to here`
`02:23.58`	`N9NU`	`or click on the magnifying glass below the desktop picture on the right hand side of the screen`
`02:24.12`	`N9NU`	`its kinda a goofy way`
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`02:25.33`	`gk`	`hm, it's complicated but it seems to work now`
`02:25.42`	`gk`	`but I don't think I understand why :>`
`02:25.47`	`N9NU`	`yeah...took me forever to sort through all that`
`02:25.53`	`N9NU`	`dunno really what it does LOL`
`02:26.20`	`gk`	`I see 10+ years of unix engeenering and programming is not enough... :)`
`02:26.56`	`gk`	`N9NU: thanks`
`02:27.16`	`N9NU`	`heh....dont feel bad....i started back when Linux was just a kernel`
`02:27.21`	`N9NU`	`~ 1994`
`02:27.37`	`N9NU`	`gotta run into town for some food....brb in 15 mins if you need any more help`
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`02:38.41`	`edt`	`I just had a nasty crash with 4.2.4. Now when I restart X it loops when trying to start kde. How do I tell kde NOT to restart any applications that were running when it crashed?`
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`06:25.30`	`wide`	`konqueror 3.5.9, kde 3.5.10, debian lenny, how do I recover from a konqueror crash? I don't see the Tools -> Crashes -> restore this... in the konq menu like it was available in debian etch/konq version.`
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`06:31.37`	`reavertm`	`wide: you'll need konq-plugins package (apt search for it)`
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`06:32.33`	`wide`	`reavertm, thanks!`
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`06:41.27`	`Aides`	`hmm, weather wallpaper is nice, but i can't figure out what it's doing ;)`
`06:41.36`	`Aides`	`does anyone know where it's code resides?`
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`06:42.41`	`TomasuAway`	`is there a way to configure a synaptics touchpad in kde4? I couldnt find anything in the settings, and even tried gsynaptics, but that didnt work at all.`
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`06:44.17`	`doleyb`	`TomasuAway: well I've used gsynaptics from within kde, it works alright.`
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`06:44.28`	`Aides`	`personally configured synaptics once from the command line`
`06:45.22`	`TomasuAway`	`doleyb: All I get from it is X errors.`
`06:45.43`	`TomasuAway`	`I cant figure out the proper way to set the actual touch sensitivity through the command line. Been googling for a while`
`06:45.43`	`Aides`	`do you have shmconfig enabled?`
`06:45.46`	`TomasuAway`	`yes`
`06:45.51`	`TomasuAway`	`synclient works fine`
`06:46.09`	`doleyb`	`TomasuAway: Ask your distro how to enable synaptics config. ubuntu has a good page on that...`
`06:46.29`	`TomasuAway`	`looked at it, not all that helpful`
`06:46.40`	`Aides`	`TomasuAway, synclient -l gives you the list of all the variables`
`06:46.49`	`Aides`	`FingerLow and FingerHigh look like what you want`
`06:47.22`	`TomasuAway`	`but what do they do?`
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`06:47.47`	`TomasuAway`	`the numbers are fairly meaningless to me.`
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`06:49.00`	`Aides`	`run synclient -m 1 and get a whole bunch of other meaningless numbers ;)`
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`06:49.01`	`Aides`	`i think they are connected to z value in the output of the latter command`
`06:49.36`	`TomasuAway`	`you know whats fun? that command tells me just why the touch pad has been so annoying.`
`06:49.43`	`TomasuAway`	`I dont even have to TOUCH the pad for it to do anything`
`06:49.53`	`TomasuAway`	`I get within a mm or two, and it reports values`
`06:50.03`	`TomasuAway`	`insane :o`
`06:50.09`	`Aides`	`it is supposed to`
`06:50.36`	`Aides`	`the electrical capacity of your body influences its sensors long before the actual touch`
`06:51.13`	`TomasuAway`	`yeah, but my other fingers or a bit of my thumb gets near it all the time and causes spurious touches`
`06:51.18`	`TomasuAway`	`very annoying`
`06:51.41`	`Aides`	`try experimenting with Finger{Low,High} values`
`06:51.51`	`Aides`	`raise them twice, for example`
`06:53.20`	`Aides`	`or try to do that scientifically`
`06:54.09`	`Aides`	`note the values of z when you touch it slightly, and when you touch it normally`
`06:54.24`	`Aides`	`and set FingerLow and FingerHigh respectively`
`06:54.50`	`TyposuAway`	`I think I just got hit by that r8169 kernel bug :o`
`06:55.03`	`TyposuAway`	`stupid kernel bug :(`
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`06:55.27`	`TyposuAway`	`oh, I think its back now`
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`06:56.20`	`TomasuDlrrp`	`not quite, its on wifi now. :D`
`06:56.41`	`TomasuDlrrp`	`fun times`
`06:57.10`	`TomasuDlrrp`	`gah, but plasma is still locked up`
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`06:58.21`	`TomasuDlrrp`	`why plasma locks up when a network inteface goes down, I don't know`
`06:58.33`	`TomasuDlrrp`	`oh, whats the key shortcut to switch desktops?`
`07:04.56`	`doleyb`	`control f2?`
`07:06.39`	`TomasuDlrrp`	`ah, thanks`
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`07:31.12`	`Typosu`	`hmm, so any time I try and change the FingerHigh/Low settings I get an X error. Other settings have worked`
`07:32.15`	`Aides`	`maybe you are setting FingerLow larger than FingerHigh?`
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`07:34.04`	`Typosu`	`ah, that seems to have been it.`
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`07:50.31`	`doleyb`	`Why does dolphin block on firefox?`
`07:52.22`	`drantin`	`wasn't aware that KDE had made dolphin and firefox interact at all...`
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`07:55.00`	`doleyb`	`drantin: Yeah it surprised me too. But if firefox is being slow, then dolphin is slow too. And if I kill -STOP firefox, then dolphin freezes too.`
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`07:56.10`	`doleyb`	`(it doesn't happen 100% of the time. only occasionally does it decide to interact with firefox)`
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`08:28.06`	`karsten_`	`good morning :-)`
`08:29.10`	`bjohan`	`seems like kde does not detect the monitor on my second graphics card (8600GT and 8400GS)`
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`08:33.34`	`binoyb9`	`hi`
`08:33.43`	`binoyb9`	`I am running fedora 10`
`08:33.50`	`binoyb9`	`ow can i play mp3`
`08:33.56`	`binoyb9`	`how can i play mp3`
`08:34.04`	`szal`	`binoyb9: ask in #fedora`
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`08:59.42`	`gndPelikan`	`hello`
`09:00.12`	`gndPelikan`	`I'm having problems gettin kde 4.2.4 to run on my debian system`
`09:00.27`	`gndPelikan`	`I get the login screen, I log in and kde starts loading`
`09:00.38`	`gndPelikan`	`then screen turns black and I'm back at the login screen`
`09:01.05`	`gndPelikan`	`I was running kde 3.5 before I did a dist-upgrade`
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`09:21.59`	`cumulus007`	`Hi, I'm looking for a hearts game for KDE`
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`09:35.12`	`Mamarok`	`cumulus007: check on kde-apps.org eventually`
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`09:35.55`	`gndPelikan`	`this is the error I get in my xsession-errors file`
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`09:37.04`	`Phlogi`	`gndPelikan: maybe try on #debian`
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`10:03.51`	`Guest4418`	`i need to install an nvidia friver`
`10:03.51`	`pinotree`	`#opensuse ?`
`10:03.53`	`DirkGently`	`Elvanor: have your tried #amarok?`
`10:03.56`	`Guest4418`	`yes`
`10:04.00`	`Elvanor`	`not yet`
`10:04.20`	`pinotree`	`Guest4418: i mean, you should ask in the #opensuse channel`
`10:04.29`	`DirkGently`	`can't believe his own grammar`
`10:04.44`	`Guest4418`	`pinotree--they've banned me..any other channel??`
`10:05.00`	`pinotree`	`don't login as root, simple`
`10:05.07`	`Guest4418`	`ok`
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`10:15.43`	`gndPelikan`	`http://pastebin.com/f98c7bd3`
`10:16.06`	`gndPelikan`	`Can someone take a look at my .xsession-errors file and tell me why kde4 doesn't tart?`
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`10:23.27`	`uzi18`	`hi all`
`10:23.40`	`uzi18`	`have problems with building kdepim 4.2.91`
`10:23.58`	`uzi18`	`sf with boost but dont know whats wrong`
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`10:52.39`	`aditsu`	`hi, I'm using kde 3.5 and amarok 1.4; how can I control amarok from another computer? e.g. check the current song, go to the next or previous one, adjust the volume etc`
`10:53.46`	`cb400f`	`it had a dcop interface`
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`10:59.28`	`aditsu`	`cb400f: ok, but is there a program that uses it as a client?`
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`11:00.10`	`cb400f`	`you mean a gui program?`
`11:00.51`	`cb400f`	`you could prolly whip up a kommander script or some kdialog stuff if you wished pretty quickly`
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`11:03.00`	`aditsu`	`cb400f: not necessarily gui; also I'm not familiar with scripting in kde`
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`11:57.06`	`Ephidaurus`	`hi, does a kde3theme exist for kde4 ?`
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`12:05.30`	`sky__`	`how i can change windows decoration without using compiz resp. emerald ?`
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`12:07.24`	`InforMed`	`sky__: If you want to use compiz I think you need to use emerald to!`
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`12:07.56`	`sky__`	`i dont want use compiz and emerald`
`12:08.04`	`sky__`	`i just want change my windows decoration`
`12:08.08`	`sky__`	`its so horrible`
`12:08.11`	`sky__`	`by defaul`
`12:08.34`	`pinotree`	`system settings â look â windows`
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`12:09.43`	`sky__`	`pinotree: nothing good`
`12:09.59`	`pinotree`	`?`
`12:10.01`	`sky__`	`all are so bad`
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`12:12.50`	`InforMed`	`sky__: http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=75`
`12:14.37`	`sky__`	`btw how i can make panel where is kickoff transparent ?`
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`12:16.08`	`InforMed`	`sky__: panel transparency needs desktop effects... kwin or compiz`
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`12:16.18`	`sky__`	`baah`
`12:17.55`	`InforMed`	`sky__: the new air plasma theme is amazing!`
`12:18.24`	`sky__`	`does it will be work under 4.2.2 ?`
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`12:19.32`	`InforMed`	`sky__: yes http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Air++update+(plasma+theme)?content=104819`
`12:20.11`	`Ephidaurus`	`so i take it that there is nothing like a kde3theme available`
`12:20.19`	`karsten_`	`How can I change the arrow and enter key behaviour in Dolphin ?`
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`12:24.18`	`sky__`	`InforMed: how i can use this theme ?`
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`12:27.54`	`InforMed`	`sky__: extract it to ~/.kde/share/apps/desktoptheme`
`12:28.08`	`sky__`	`InforMed: ok thank you`
`12:29.56`	`InforMed`	`sky__: There is another way! Desktop right click - desktop settings -new theme!`
`12:30.47`	`gndPelikan`	`can one run kde4 without plasma?`
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`12:35.40`	`gndPelikan`	`it seems like if I have my display set up as 8 bit color I get the desktop without any problems, but if I use anything higher than 8 bit (16 or 24) I get bumped back into the login screen half way through kde4 loading`
`12:35.57`	`gndPelikan`	`using openchrome display driver`
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`12:50.08`	`untitled`	`hello, why kmix doesn't allow me to set microphone volume myself?`
`12:50.29`	`untitled`	`it tries to adjust the volume itself..`
`12:50.50`	`untitled`	`and it is tooo quiet all the time`
`12:51.26`	`untitled`	`it's usb mic, labtech one`
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`12:53.22`	`eichi`	`hello`
`12:53.34`	`eichi`	`i have a problem with kdm,kde4 on suse`
`12:53.59`	`eichi`	`when kdm starts, its doenst not stark kde, its only starts a xserver with one terminal inside`
`12:54.05`	`eichi`	`what can i do?`
`12:54.55`	`untitled`	`choose kde in Session menu`
`12:55.00`	`untitled`	`in kdm`
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`12:55.35`	`freinhard`	`the new bugreport tool just plain rocks!`
`12:55.38`	`eichi`	`there is no menu`
`12:55.46`	`eichi`	`it just starts`
`12:56.11`	`eichi`	`startx as user works too`
`12:56.15`	`untitled`	`eichi: you don't have to write a password?`
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`12:56.26`	`eichi`	`untitled, yes`
`12:56.39`	`eichi`	`its opensuse`
`12:57.00`	`eichi`	`its not mine notebook and i use gdm ;)`
`12:57.20`	`eichi`	`where is the session config file? Cant find it`
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`12:58.13`	`Spell`	`where do i get ad-filters-presets for Konqueror?`
`12:58.57`	`untitled`	`eichi: /etc/kde4/kdm/`
`12:59.48`	`freeedrich\|`	`buscher: https://www2.mailstation.de/gitweb/?p=genkde4svn.git;a=commitdiff;h=34afb5fd5dd30fba284ddab097f924698bf66f36`
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`13:00.23`	`buscher`	`uh nice :)`
`13:00.33`	`eichi`	`untitled, there is only a backgroundrc`
`13:01.23`	`untitled`	`=\`
`13:01.34`	`untitled`	`anyone uses usb mic?`
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`13:03.23`	`buscher`	`freeedrich\|: btw NEED_KDE="svn", it also builds fine with kde-4.2`
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`13:03.52`	`freeedrich\|`	`buscher: possibly. But there is only svn stuff offered in that overlay anyway.`
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`13:03.58`	`buscher`	`kk`
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`13:07.51`	`freeedrich\|`	`oh.. and you should consider turning sound per default off.`
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`13:08.46`	`freeedrich\|`	`since after adding the kodama, plasma-desktop keeps /dev/snd/stuff busy and even if you disable it, you need to restart plasma to get phonon detatch them`
`13:09.23`	`freeedrich\|`	`buscher: -^`
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`13:10.14`	`buscher`	`hm`
`13:11.31`	`buscher`	`weird, but ok, works fine here, maybe because if told xine to use alsa/dmix :)`
`13:11.39`	`buscher`	`if=I`
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`13:11.50`	`freeedrich\|`	`which is a pita if you want to have ac3/dts passthrough.`
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`13:12.42`	`freeedrich\|`	`well, it uses dmix here as well.. I can have multiple sources at the same time, that's not the problem.`
`13:13.40`	`buscher`	`yes, just thought it would be phonons job to deal with these problems`
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`13:15.18`	`freeedrich\|`	`well.. maybe it's a bug in phonon, which doesn't release the devices properly when there's no sound playing.`
`13:15.56`	`freeedrich\|`	`having that fixed would be great. so I wouldn't always need to kill my amarok just to watch some movie or play some game with surround through s/pdif+openal+a52`
`13:17.22`	`buscher`	`k, I'll look into it, but now, currently busy with other stuff`
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`13:44.11`	`MoDaX`	`how does automatic spell checker work in kde 4.2? or does it work at all?`
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`13:47.24`	`Mamarok`	`MoDaX: in which application?`
`13:48.08`	`MoDaX`	`Mamarok: kde as whole (e.g. kmail composer)`
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`13:48.28`	`Mamarok`	`MoDaX: should work, check the settings of Kmail`
`13:48.31`	`TheLorax`	`how do you burn a cd in kde?`
`13:48.51`	`MoDaX`	`Mamarok: I mean "automatic", i.e. word underlining`
`13:48.53`	`Mamarok`	`MoDaX: it simply depends on the application in which you want to check spelling`
`13:48.59`	`Mamarok`	`TheLorax: k3b`
`13:49.04`	`TheLorax`	`thx`
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`13:51.31`	`TheLorax`	`yeah.....you need the kde 3.5 libs to install k3b`
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`13:51.36`	`TheLorax`	`not happening`
`13:52.22`	`TheLorax`	`isn't there something integrated into dolphin?`
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`13:55.39`	`Mamarok`	`TheLorax: hm, there is a k3b for KDE4 in preparation`
`13:55.52`	`Mamarok`	`AFAIK`
`13:56.07`	`Mamarok`	`and the current k3b works very well :)`
`13:56.34`	`TheLorax`	`you're right. gentoo is behind`
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`13:58.53`	`Spell`	`how can i tell Konqueror to save my passwords?`
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`13:59.47`	`pano`	`Spell: You have to enable/setup KWallet for that`
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`14:07.07`	`Spell`	`Is it possible to import the passwords from Firefox to Konqueror?`
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`14:24.00`	`JuJuBee`	`Can I have images next to names or in place of names for the login page? Using 4.2.2`
`14:24.41`	`jensp`	`hey there, I'm running kde 4.2.4, I sometimes have kind of a lockup where, the keyboard doesn't do anything, the mouse cursor can be moved but can't click anything`
`14:24.55`	`JuJuBee`	`nm, I found it un login manager...`
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`14:25.13`	`jensp`	`apart from that kde seems to be alive, for example I'm still getting new messages in kopete`
`14:25.18`	`jensp`	`any ideas how I can debug that?`
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`14:28.18`	`cb400f`	`kded4`
`14:28.32`	`jensp`	`yes`
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`14:34.42`	`RickX`	`anyone know when mouse button actions will be back, and when different wallpapers on different desktop swill be back?`
`14:34.49`	`homy`	`Hello! Can I configure KDE so that workspaces and activities are the same? I.e. that I can have a different set of widgets on each workspace?`
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`14:36.49`	`litb`	`hi all`
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`14:36.59`	`litb`	`i'm trying to access an svn repos using dolphin`
`14:37.17`	`litb`	`is that possible? i tried "svn:/llvm.org/svn/llvm-project/llvm/trunk" but it says ".. isn't a working copy"`
`14:37.42`	`litb`	`i'm not sure how i can access a repository and view it like in the 3.5 days with konqueror and svn:/`
`14:38.27`	`litb`	`any idea?`
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`14:40.14`	`Spell`	`hm... ive only tried it one time and then simpy used ksvn instead because it told me everytime that the connection was refused...`
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`14:45.33`	`tomaz`	`having problems with akonady and resource agents.`
`14:45.43`	`tomaz`	`but the agents are in the XDG_DATA_PATH`
`14:45.52`	`tomaz`	`( or at least, there's a agents folder there )`
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`14:53.38`	`JuJuBee`	`Anybody using a palm treo 700p with kpilot / jpilot successfully?`
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`15:03.12`	`makmanalp`	`happens every time i search for a file`
`15:03.20`	`makmanalp`	`and the search results come up empty`
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`15:18.30`	`jelly-home`	`Hi. On a debian testing, kde 4.2.2 setup, I can't seem to find the place to change inactive windows translucency.`
`15:20.45`	`fyanardi_`	`jelly-home: Configure Desktop Effects \| All Effects, Find Translucency, click on configure button`
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`15:22.25`	`jelly-home`	`fyanardi_: ah. Thanks. These settings could really use some integration.`
`15:23.19`	`jelly-home`	`various aspects of window look can be managed in 3 or more places, not counting overall stuff like theme change.`
`15:25.17`	`hcl2`	`is there any other way to get pykde bindings other than compiling kdebindings-4.2.x.tar.gz ?`
`15:25.32`	`fyanardi_`	`jelly-home: yeah, it is not so obvious at the first time, but gradually you will get used into it :p`
`15:25.37`	`fyanardi_`	`that's the side effect of the configurability of KDE`
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`15:27.16`	`jelly-home`	`fyanardi_: it's really ridiculous; the effects changing an aspect of UI could bind to that part of systemsettings`
`15:27.35`	`jelly-home`	`like choosing the Alt-Tab effect is`
`15:30.47`	`fyanardi_`	`jelly-home: usually I just go to one window, klik the icon on the window decoration, and click "Configure Window Behavior"`
`15:31.08`	`fyanardi_`	`well, it is a bit hidden though`
`15:31.21`	`jelly-home`	`that's seems like a decent shortcut`
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`15:32.37`	`fyanardi_`	`yeah, faster than digging the systemsettings one by one :p`
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`15:47.21`	`jelly-home`	`is there a way to make a panel appear on multiple screens?`
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`15:48.11`	`jelly-home`	`also: is there a way to use wmaker or Gnome applets in a kde4 panel?`
`15:48.28`	`jelly-home`	`or even xfce4 applets.`
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`15:49.20`	`pinotree`	`theorically yes, just like there's the module to use google gadget thingies`
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`15:49.53`	`pinotree`	`practically, it needs somebody to write a plasma module to bridge such foreign applet kinds`
`15:50.17`	`jelly-home`	`Ok. panels are basically small plasma containers?`
`15:50.56`	`pinotree`	`yes`
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`15:51.43`	`jelly-home`	`I've managed to replicate most of my previous xfce4 desktop setup, except for kde's weather plugin being rather rudimentary`
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`15:53.08`	`jelly-home`	`the UI works surprisingly decent on an i915GM card, a 2005 laptop with a Celeron-M cpu`
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`15:54.47`	`jelly-home`	`I see intermittent pauses in keyboard input though, every 1 second or so a key being pressed stops autorepeating for a small amount of time (maybe 100ms), it's annoying`
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`15:57.13`	`jelly-home`	`oh, and the background picture isn't replicated on the root window, so apps doing fake transparency appear with black background`
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`16:02.02`	`steinex`	`kde had the possibilty to group contacts or?, i mean, that 3 contacts in my list appear as one for example, because he has multiple accounts?`
`16:02.45`	`steinex`	`i mean kopete of course ;)`
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`16:03.42`	`vlad`	`hi!`
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`16:10.10`	`rooter7`	`Well, I was recently dragged kicking and screaming by Debian to KDE4. Konqi is unbelievably crashy, and Kontact has forgotted a large number of my kontacts.`
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`16:10.27`	`rooter7`	`Is anyone else seeing these sorts of things?`
`16:12.01`	`Half-Left`	`Yeah, I'm sure Debian did that to you :p`
`16:12.04`	`fyanardi`	`steinex: yes, kopete can group multiple contacts as one contact`
`16:12.25`	`steinex`	`i just realized how, question cleared, thanks! :)`
`16:12.36`	`rooter7`	`Yeah, Debian did that on my monthly dist-upgrade WITHOUT ANY WARNING.`
`16:12.56`	`fyanardi`	`steinex: good :)`
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`16:13.46`	`jelly-home`	`rooter7: you _are_ using Debian testing or unstable, though.`
`16:14.00`	`rooter7`	`Testing.`
`16:14.07`	`jelly-home`	`no guarantees about it not eating the firstborn`
`16:14.09`	`rooter7`	`Dragged me to 4.2.2`
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`16:14.44`	`drantin`	`apt-get/aptitude really didn't tell you what it was going to do beforehand o_O`
`16:15.16`	`rooter7`	`On a major upgrade it can/should warn.`
`16:15.21`	`jelly-home`	`drantin: it did, the user just didn't notice it in the two-screenfuls of package names`
`16:15.37`	`Half-Left`	`Go tell them that, don't whine here`
`16:15.46`	`rooter7`	`So apparently others are seeing Konqi crashiness.`
`16:16.07`	`Half-Left`	`Your milage my vary`
`16:16.09`	`drantin`	`hasn't`
`16:16.11`	`jelly-home`	`rooter7: apt-listchanges is supposed to notify you of major changes before an upgrade actually starts`
`16:16.52`	`fyanardi`	`my konqi here is quite stable, and I use unstable`
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`16:17.40`	`rooter7`	`I did notice alot of KDE packages to be upgraded, which struck me as unusual for 3.5.10 as it hadn't been updated for a while, but it was welcomed. Come to find out it was 4.2.2. Granted, this was Debian, but now I have to try and fix all kinds of stuff, when I should be working.`
`16:17.42`	`jelly-home`	`fyanardi: you'll be on 4.2.4 by now, then?`
`16:18.03`	`jelly-home`	`rooter7: dude, it's testing, don't upgrade if it works`
`16:18.25`	`jelly-home`	`things can and do break`
`16:18.49`	`rooter7`	`jelly-home: It's accepted practice to update regularly, of course.`
`16:18.55`	`fyanardi`	`jelly-home, I use 4.2.4, but few days ago I use 4.2.2, Konqi was stable and very few crash`
`16:19.33`	`jelly-home`	`rooter7: that may be, but don't expect stability.`
`16:19.49`	`rooter7`	`I am suspecting the crashiness might be due to residual 3.5.10 files, but which ones? I've removed all KDE3 packages.`
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`16:20.58`	`rooter7`	`It is impossible to edit bookmarks. As soon as I move a bookmark to a different place, instant crash of the bookmark editor.`
`16:20.58`	`jelly-home`	`I've been using xfce4 + selected few kde3 utilities before. So now it's only the selected few things that have been broken. ;-)`
`16:21.03`	`fyanardi`	`when I first migrated to KDE 4.2 from KDE 3.5.9 there were some small fixes here and there I had to do`
`16:21.47`	`fyanardi`	`rooter7: does it also happen with a fresh new user without any previous configurations?`
`16:22.14`	`rooter7`	`Any way to test this while logged in to regular user?`
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`16:23.03`	`Half-Left`	`Switch User`
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`16:23.44`	`rooter7`	`OK, I'll try it.`
`16:23.50`	`fyanardi`	`yes, switch user, and use Ctrl + Alt + F7 to back to current session`
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`16:29.25`	`rooter7`	`It's not letting me log in as my new user. Used kuser to create, and passwd to set passwd, but authentication fail.`
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`16:31.50`	`jelly-home`	`hm, do bugs in kde's bugzilla go in kde's bugzilla, or bugzilla's bugzilla?`
`16:32.13`	`jelly-home`	`just _had_ to use an email address with a + sign`
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`16:32.17`	`rooter7`	`It may have something to do with my kdm being screwed up. Whenever it comes up a get a screenful of garbage, and it says "Theme not usable with authentication method 'Username + Password' (classic). I hit OK and get login, enter creds and auth fail.`
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`16:33.37`	`seria-mau`	`hi. can konqueror do cookie whitelists? i dont know how to set this up. in konquerors cookie tab i have "allow cookies" and "reject all cookies" set and added sites for which i want to allow cookies. but it doesnt work`
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`16:35.16`	`Spell`	`seria-mau: Settings->Internet->Cookies`
`16:35.20`	`seria-mau`	`another question: when i add e.g. google.com to the sites, can all subdomains set cookies (as in firefox) or do i have to set up a rule for every subdomain? wildcards doesnt seem to work.`
`16:35.20`	`Spell`	`or so`
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`16:35.36`	`seria-mau`	`Spell: i found that already, as i told`
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`16:36.41`	`Shapeshifter`	`Hi. Where can I set "autorun behaviour" in kde4? It keeps asking me if I want to open dolphin, do nothing, or whatever when I insert an usb stick, but I can't set a standard for it...`
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`16:38.32`	`RickX`	`anyone know how to remove the kde4 oxygen white cursor them. Remove Theme stays greyed out.`
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`16:40.07`	`pinotree`	`uninstall them from your distro package manager?`
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`16:42.49`	`rooter7`	`OK, kuser -pretends- like it adds a user, but it doesn't in actuality.`
`16:43.19`	`rooter7`	`So I adduser and switch user, and can log in, but all I get then is a screenful of garbage.`
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`16:44.22`	`drantin`	`sounds like a lot of #debian related problems...`
`16:44.55`	`Half-Left`	`rooter7: You have some serious issue there, takr it to debian, since they upgraded you and you're using their unstable`
`16:45.03`	`Half-Left`	`take*`
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`16:47.04`	`rooter7`	`Not using their unstable. Testing is between Old and Unstable. So no one is seeing this screenful of garbage during KDM? I get it on both my machines.`
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`16:48.23`	`rooter7`	`And Debian is not going to know the internals of KDM and what the cause of this could be.`
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`16:49.07`	`Half-Left`	`Ofcourse they do, some distros even add their own`
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`16:49.42`	`Half-Left`	`Difference prefixes and such`
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`16:51.01`	`rooter7`	`All right, here's a question y'all might be able to help with. I use a dark color theme, but want windows white. But alternate lines in KMail are black and illegible. There isn't a setting for alternate colors in systemsettings. How to fix?`
`16:51.56`	`Half-Left`	`There're lots of colour settings for each widget`
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`16:53.01`	`Vegita`	`Hameha3 has left this channel`
`16:53.20`	`rooter7`	`Not for alt lines.`
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`17:00.24`	`seria-mau`	`no idea on how to use cookie whitelists with konqueror? :(`
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`17:02.30`	`rooter7`	`seria-mau: Set it to Ask.`
`17:03.07`	`rooter7`	`And set policy for individ websites. For maps.google.com use .google.com for all sites.`
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`17:03.44`	`zarquod`	`re`
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`17:04.16`	`seria-mau`	`i dont want it to ask. thats why i use a whitelist`
`17:04.37`	`rooter7`	`Whatever, whitelist=Policy`
`17:05.30`	`seria-mau`	`what's individ?`
`17:05.45`	`seria-mau`	`individual?`
`17:05.47`	`rooter7`	`(individual)`
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`17:06.51`	`seria-mau`	`so setting policy for sites only doesnt work alone and i have to set "ask me"? whats the point of setting the policies then`
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`17:07.17`	`rooter7`	`I don't think you have to set Ask. I just do.`
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`17:07.50`	`seria-mau`	`i tried "enable cookies" and "reject cookies" plus policy to allow for special sites. this doesnt work. why?`
`17:08.11`	`rooter7`	`I'm a real estate developer...`
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`17:09.43`	`seria-mau`	`sorry, i dont understand`
`17:10.15`	`rooter7`	`I would have no way of knowing the answer to your question.`
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`17:11.31`	`_s_a_n_t_a_`	`Hello`
`17:11.51`	`rooter7`	`(nobody home)`
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`17:12.17`	`_s_a_n_t_a_`	`I have troubles with KDE 3.5. After I end KDE session I see such a message on the console screen: Segmentation fault (core dumped). How to fix it ?`
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`17:12.58`	`pinotree`	`it could be anything that crashed`
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`17:13.40`	`_s_a_n_t_a_`	`yes but when I run just X from root it's ok, if under a user I get such message: mtrr set failed. Invalid argument.`
`17:13.49`	`_s_a_n_t_a_`	`Is it a KDE problem or an X-server problem ?`
`17:13.59`	`pinotree`	`mtrr doesn't look like a kde issue`
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`17:15.16`	`_s_a_n_t_a_`	`I do not think that mtrr and segfault are interconnected. MTRR is just a warning, not error. It does not affect X server work anyhow`
`17:15.27`	`joshuajtl`	`folks trying to build something getting this error: http://fpaste.org/paste/15072`
`17:15.31`	`rooter7`	`dmesg`
`17:15.36`	`joshuajtl`	`its a window decoration... can someone help?`
`17:15.44`	`sseiersen`	`joshuajtl, again, be specific...`
`17:15.56`	`sseiersen`	`Plasmoid or what?`
`17:16.07`	`pinotree`	`joshuajtl: you miss the development packages needed for compiling kde stuff`
`17:16.08`	`joshuajtl`	`sseiersen: a window decoration... isnt that specific?`
`17:16.18`	`joshuajtl`	`pinotree: ah ok thx`
`17:16.29`	`sseiersen`	`well...`
`17:16.53`	`sseiersen`	`There's Plasmoids, Karamba themes, Oxygen Themes...`
`17:17.13`	`sseiersen`	`Just about everything falls under that`
`17:17.29`	`joshuajtl`	`sseiersen: would you happen to know what the dev packages for compiling kde stuff on fedora are?`
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`17:17.46`	`pinotree`	`joshuajtl: you should ask in #fedora-kde about those`
`17:17.50`	`rooter7`	`Anyone know if the Nightly theme is available for KDE4?`
`17:18.15`	`sseiersen`	`points joshuajtl to #kde-devel and #fedora-devel`
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`17:18.24`	`joshuajtl`	`thanks`
`17:19.04`	`_s_a_n_t_a_`	`Can anybody name me the name of chanel devoted to the X-server ?`
`17:19.12`	`pinotree`	`_s_a_n_t_a_: #xorg`
`17:19.17`	`sseiersen`	`#x?`
`17:19.22`	`sseiersen`	`nvm`
`17:19.26`	`rooter7`	`Anyone else having the plasma-widget-wifi crash the panel and it doesn't come back?`
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`17:22.48`	`rooter7`	`Anyone know how to get back the most-used apps list in the App Launcher, or is that gone in KDE$?`
`17:22.55`	`rooter7`	`KDE4`
`17:24.17`	`rooter7`	`Anyone know how to edit bookmarks without crashing Konqi?`
`17:25.05`	`rooter7`	`Anyone know how to set the placement of widgets on the panel, so they stay put?`
`17:26.15`	`rooter7`	`Wow, we've got a real Brain Trust going on Saturday morning... I give up.`
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`17:28.47`	`bsdfox`	`hello I just upgraded from 3.5.10 to 4.2.4 and I'm trying to get my panels setup how I'd like them. I removed the system tray and the digital clock from the lower panel and have added to to a top panel but I can't seem to limit the width on either`
`17:28.49`	`marco_`	`icons in sistray are not showned :( using 4.2.4`
`17:28.51`	`sseiersen`	`Need help?`
`17:28.51`	`marco_`	`my graphic card is: 865G with Xorg's driver`
`17:28.54`	`marco_`	`how to solve?`
`17:28.55`	`bsdfox`	`the system tray wants to use up half the entire panel`
`17:29.14`	`bsdfox`	`marco_: that's not going to be a video card issue`
`17:29.21`	`marco_`	`mmh..`
`17:29.27`	`marco_`	`hardware issue?`
`17:29.30`	`bsdfox`	`no`
`17:29.42`	`marco_`	`kde issue?`
`17:29.49`	`bsdfox`	`possibly`
`17:29.54`	`marco_`	`how to solve?`
`17:30.18`	`bsdfox`	`have you tried removing the system tray widget from the panel and readding it?`
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`17:34.10`	`marco_`	`yep`
`17:34.22`	`marco_`	`i also deleted the profile again`
`17:34.31`	`marco_`	`i think it's a Xorg issue`
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`17:42.38`	`bsdfox`	`marco_: why would it be related to xorg?`
`17:42.49`	`marco_`	`i don't know..`
`17:43.02`	`marco_`	`seems something wrong with argb visual?`
`17:43.04`	`bsdfox`	`it's either a kde bug or a configuration error`
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`17:43.14`	`marco_`	`it's a bug for sure..`
`17:43.17`	`bsdfox`	`uh`
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`17:43.33`	`bsdfox`	`go check the oil in your car. maybe that's causing the problem?`
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`17:46.38`	`_s_a_n_t_a_`	`Hey can anybody help me? The problem is 100% in KDE. The description of a problem is here: http://pastebin.com/f1c9ffab0`
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`17:48.16`	`steinex`	`this is 100% not a KDE issue, it is an X issue`
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`17:48.26`	`steinex`	`your X-binary needs to be setuid root`
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`17:51.16`	`pinotree`	`_s_a_n_t_a_: what makes you think it is a kde problem?`
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`17:54.15`	`_s_a_n_t_a_`	`xfce runs ok, but I want to run kde on my box, not xfce4`
`17:54.45`	`bsdfox`	`anyone got ideas about my issue? excessive padding on system tray and digital clock after I moved them from bottom panel (where they looked fine) to the top panel`
`17:54.58`	`steinex`	`i don't believe it, because "can't set mtrr" is definitely an permissions-issue with X itself`
`17:55.05`	`steinex`	`as i said, it needs to be setuid root`
`17:55.33`	`pinotree`	`and there's X crashing after kde has been shut down completely`
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`18:00.40`	`lokuarachi`	`hey, im having backlight issues in kde, i can dim the backlight using the special keys or by echoing the value to sysfs when im at the console, but once i switch into kde the keys dont work and the slider in the battery module doesnt work either.....any suggestions?`
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`18:02.00`	`shevy`	`how much attention does kdebindings recieve compared to the other kde 4 related stuff? i heard more complaints about it than of the other kde-* stuff`
`18:02.34`	`bsdfox`	`http://yfrog.com/6psnapshot1ap see the spacing around my system tray and digital clock? I want to get rid of the excess`
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`18:05.26`	`_s_a_n_t_a_`	`Pinotree can you plz name me the channel where I can ask questions concerning X server?`
`18:05.45`	`bsdfox`	`_s_a_n_t_a_: talk to your distros channel`
`18:06.34`	`pinotree`	`_s_a_n_t_a_: #xorg (as told like one hour ago)`
`18:06.34`	`bsdfox`	`it's not a problem with any of the software. it's a configuration problem`
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`18:07.52`	`tuxick`	`switching tabs in konsole is really laggy, what could be causing that?`
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`18:08.01`	`tuxick`	`switching windows is faster`
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`18:09.07`	`cb400f`	`does it seem to have anything to do with the size of the window or the amount of text in it?`
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`18:09.42`	`cb400f`	`finds that his nvidia is quite slow to draw windows with much text like konversation or amarok`
`18:09.57`	`tuxick`	`ah, and resizing window is insanely slow again`
`18:10.02`	`tuxick`	`and yes, _($_)(^ nvidia`
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`18:10.18`	`tuxick`	`you're right, it's related to window size`
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`18:10.47`	`Half-Left`	`Slow here as well, seems like it dropped to software rendering again Nvidia :p`
`18:11.08`	`junkDawgie`	`there has been multiple comments similar`
`18:11.17`	`tuxick`	`i thought the slow resize thing was fixed a while ago`
`18:11.33`	`tuxick`	`i wonder if they'll ever get it right`
`18:12.05`	`cb400f`	`still uses qt4.4 on his nvidia box.. maybe 4.5 will help`
`18:12.07`	`Half-Left`	`Not really, only on 8/9 GPUs. You still have to run hacks in your Xorg.conf`
`18:12.32`	`Half-Left`	`8/9 series have these things enabled by default now`
`18:12.46`	`steinex`	`question: can someone tell me how the default mouseicon-theme from KDE3 is called? because i can't find it...`
`18:12.54`	`steinex`	`i don't have it installed somehow`
`18:15.22`	`cb400f`	`steinex: wasn't it called crystal?`
`18:15.34`	`cb400f`	`can't remember`
`18:15.49`	`bsdfox`	`wtf happened to kmail? how do I get rid of this ridiculous grouping view mode?`
`18:16.00`	`steinex`	`icontheme is called crystal SVG, yeah`
`18:16.07`	`steinex`	`but i don't have mouse-icons :)`
`18:16.37`	`cb400f`	`bsdfox: there are some buttons on top right.. adjacent to the filter bar`
`18:16.59`	`Half-Left`	`bsdfox: Top right buttons above the email window`
`18:17.00`	`bsdfox`	`cb400f: thanks`
`18:17.03`	`steinex`	`ah`
`18:17.08`	`steinex`	`Port: cursor-crystal-theme-1.1.1_1`
`18:17.09`	`bsdfox`	`couldn't find it under settings anywhere`
`18:17.12`	`steinex`	`guess thats it :)`
`18:17.24`	`cb400f`	`.. and what happened to kmail was a gsoc'er improving the ui greatly ;-)`
`18:18.04`	`pusling`	`oh yeah. the grouping feature is one of the best things happened to kmail for ages`
`18:19.19`	`Half-Left`	`Except for KDE3 users who want it to be the same as KDE3 :p`
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`18:22.41`	`cb400f`	`yeah, over time kde4 only becomes more different than kde3.. so they're not making it any easier for themselves by putting off the migration`
`18:23.24`	`bsdfox`	`I just made the switch last night`
`18:23.40`	`bsdfox`	`got almost everything setup how I'd like it`
`18:23.53`	`bsdfox`	`with the exception of this freakin date/system tray widget`
`18:24.20`	`cb400f`	`good to hear.. I migrated when 4.1 was released... and it took me almost 4-5 days to become comfortable ;-)`
`18:24.26`	`steinex`	`i think i keep using KDE3 till all else fails ;)`
`18:24.43`	`steinex`	`at least for now.`
`18:25.38`	`bsdfox`	`so (sorry to spam) anyone have an idea how I can get the date and system tray to not auto fill the rest of the panel? http://yfrog.com/6psnapshot1ap`
`18:26.41`	`cb400f`	`there's a spacer widget`
`18:26.54`	`cb400f`	`though I've never tried it`
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`18:27.29`	`bsdfox`	`it's weird because I had them on the bottom panel and they looked proper`
`18:28.41`	`bsdfox`	`I guess it's the task switcher is using up all the space`
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`18:30.44`	`RickX`	`anyone know how to remove the oxygen white icon theme?`
`18:30.50`	`RickX`	`.. from kde 4.2`
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`18:32.24`	`pinotree`	`RickX: <pinotree> uninstall them from your distro package manager?`
`18:32.26`	`RickX`	`oops.. I hit the wrong button too many times... now I hae a checkerboard for a desktop... can anyone tell me how to zoom back in?`
`18:32.51`	`RickX`	`pino... I'll take a look, but I think don't think it is a separate package`
`18:34.39`	`junkDawgie`	`Rickx: grab (click and hold) the checkerboard and move it till you can get back to the zoom out tab, seems i recall doing that before too.`
`18:35.30`	`RickX`	`junkDawgie: thanks.. that worked.`
`18:35.49`	`junkDawgie`	`np, it was a disconcerting panic for me as well`
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`18:36.07`	`RickX`	`pinotree: when I try to uninstall from the package manager, it tries to uninstall most of KDE.`
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`18:45.34`	`HalphaZ`	`hello`
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`18:45.46`	`HalphaZ`	`I'm on kubuntu jaunty and I'm using kde4.3`
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`18:46.11`	`HalphaZ`	`I try to share a folder from dolphin:`
`18:46.23`	`HalphaZ`	`I right click on the folder`
`18:46.43`	`HalphaZ`	`I go to the last tab`
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`18:47.06`	`HalphaZ`	`the tab says: you must be autorized to share folders`
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`18:47.32`	`HalphaZ`	`and there is a button: "configure folder share"`
`18:47.46`	`HalphaZ`	`when I click, it asks for my password`
`18:47.58`	`HalphaZ`	`but nothing appens`
`18:48.07`	`HalphaZ`	`and I don't know what's wrong`
`18:48.50`	`HalphaZ`	`I started dolphin from konsole`
`18:49.10`	`HalphaZ`	`when I click the button, the konsole says:findServiceByDesktopPath: fileshare.desktop not found`
`18:49.59`	`HalphaZ`	`findServiceByDesktopPath: fileshare.desktop not found`
`18:49.59`	`HalphaZ`	`I hope you can help me`
`18:50.03`	`HalphaZ`	`so tomorrow I can help your childs :-D`
`18:51.04`	`Defense\|Twin`	`Hi, anyone can say me were in kde-4.2.3 i can configure my synaptics touchpad?`
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`18:52.40`	`pibarnas`	`is that yakuake better than konsole?`
`18:53.32`	`HalphaZ`	`pibarnas: I don't think... It's just a quake-like console`
`18:54.10`	`pibarnas`	`okay, thanks.`
`18:55.45`	`HalphaZ`	`I see it's a known bug`
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`18:57.21`	`Peace-`	`hey guys`
`18:57.31`	`Peace-`	`i get a lots of plasma crash`
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`18:57.49`	`Peace-`	`kde 4.3 beta2`
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`18:59.25`	`Spell_`	`well... i've plasma crashes every day ;)`
`19:00.12`	`Peace-`	`well but.... a lots of time here`
`19:00.22`	`Peace-`	`now`
`19:00.29`	`Peace-`	`for exapmple is the 20 times`
`19:00.37`	`Peace-`	`-.-''`
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`19:50.29`	`buntfalke`	`to browse my picture collection in kde4, gwenview is the application of coice? or what's the main-app for this task?`
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`19:51.17`	`Half-Left`	`gwneview is part of KDE default. You can try Digikam, it's very good.`
`19:51.44`	`pusling`	`gwenview is a good default app for most cases.`
`19:52.00`	`Half-Left`	`gwenview*`
`19:52.03`	`pusling`	`you can try digikam or kphotoalbum if gwenview is too "light".`
`19:52.07`	`buntfalke`	`nono, gwenview is fine. i dont have a digital camera, and gwenview always did it for kde3. i installed only a minimal kde4, thus my question`
`19:52.28`	`pusling`	`gwenview is the imageviewer and part of kdegraphics`
`19:52.33`	`buntfalke`	`thanks`
`19:57.39`	`vbgunz`	`man I just found something that stole my mouse from kubuntu --> http://2006.1-click.jp/ ... dont go there unless you prepared to possibly kill nspluginviewer and possibly restart kwin`
`19:57.54`	`vbgunz`	`I visited in Konqueror 4.2.2`
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`20:02.05`	`Spell_`	`o:`
`20:02.26`	`Spell_`	`but it does not stealing the mouse`
`20:02.58`	`Spell_`	`(just tried it)`
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`20:06.45`	`loxs`	`hi folks, I want to learn how to write plasmoids in python. Could you please show me some python plasmoid to learn from?`
`20:07.15`	`gomoran`	`vbgunz: stealing focus is a common problem. I have it often since upgrading to KDE with flash-player on a amd64-system`
`20:07.50`	`gomoran`	`vbgunz: see AllowDeactivateGrabs in xorg.conf for workaround`
`20:08.54`	`Half-Left`	`loxs: Ask in #plasma and look at the topic`
`20:09.09`	`loxs`	`hm, thanks Half-Left`
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`20:14.57`	`vbgunz`	`gomoran: interesting. I am on amd64. I never seen this before. I cannot reproduce it again though. my mistake for shooting off early about it`
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`20:16.14`	`gomoran`	`vbgunz: It got better with 4.2.4, but still occurs frequently with flash-sites (youtube, etc)`
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`20:21.18`	`vbgunz`	`gomoran: I just got my mouse stolen twice reliably`
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`20:22.31`	`vbgunz`	`I went back to the same page and held down the mouse button and dragged a few circles around, that stole my mouse pointer on kde 4.2.2 on konqueror 4.2.2 AMD64 using nvidia binaries`
`20:23.24`	`gomoran`	`vbgunz: I have nvidia here tooâ¦`
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`20:30.28`	`vbgunz`	`works fine in firefox but explodes in konqueror 4.2.2`
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`20:30.33`	`vbgunz`	`end of line`
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`20:35.38`	`hoban`	`hey all`
`20:36.18`	`hoban`	`can someone tell me - is it normal for kde4 to take 10 or 15 seconds before logging out or shutting down/rebooting after I click the button to do so? It seems like an awful long pause`
`20:36.59`	`Half-Left`	`Version?`
`20:37.36`	`Half-Left`	`it's not normal but the logout sounds do prolong logout`
`20:37.48`	`hoban`	`Half-Left same with 4.2.3 or 4.3 beta`
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`20:39.33`	`hoban`	`hmm...where do I turn off the login/logout sounds?`
`20:40.00`	`Half-Left`	`systemsettings>Notifications`
`20:40.18`	`hoban`	`ah-ha. should have thought of that`
`20:40.20`	`hoban`	`thanks`
`20:40.25`	`hoban`	`anything else that could be making it take so long?`
`20:41.09`	`Half-Left`	`No anything I can think of`
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`20:41.22`	`Half-Left`	`not*`
`20:41.57`	`hoban`	`how would I figure something like that out? I don't think tracing kdm would do the trick :)`
`20:42.26`	`Half-Left`	`Try disabling the lout sound first`
`20:42.30`	`Half-Left`	`logout*`
`20:42.33`	`hoban`	`alright, just did that`
`20:42.38`	`hoban`	`I'll be back in a bit`
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`20:44.26`	`hoban`	`Half-Left, I counted 12 seconds. During those 12 seconds, I noted no disk or CPU activity`
`20:45.07`	`Half-Left`	`it should logout almost instantly`
`20:45.36`	`Half-Left`	`Assuming you have the logout sound disabled`
`20:45.41`	`hoban`	`I do have it disabled`
`20:45.56`	`hoban`	`I don't know what else to try. I'll go google some more if you're out of ideas`
`20:46.38`	`hoban`	`kde 4.2.91 on arch linux (kdemod)`
`20:46.38`	`Half-Left`	`Not idea what that could be`
`20:46.56`	`hoban`	`but like I said, it was also the same with 4.2.3`
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`20:48.48`	`hoban`	`trying "start with an empty session" instead of "restore manually saved session"`
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`20:50.27`	`hoban`	`Half-Left, hmm...same thing -- 12 seconds`
`20:50.34`	`Half-Left`	`:/`
`20:50.47`	`wlos`	`hoban: try googling for "alsamodule unloading hangs during shutdown"`
`20:50.56`	`wlos`	`i had similar issue recently`
`20:51.09`	`hoban`	`wlos, looking now. thanks`
`20:51.53`	`hoban`	`wlos: should that happen on shutdown only? or also on logout?`
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`20:53.15`	`wlos`	`if you have proper dependencies in init.d/* scripts then only during shutdown`
`20:53.27`	`hoban`	`I'm seeing this in /var/log/kdm.log: (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8)...related?`
`20:54.22`	`wlos`	`I had different error sth. like "killing processes using alsa" and then it hang`
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`20:55.34`	`hoban`	`wlos, yeah, I don't see that anywhere`
`20:58.03`	`hoban`	`hmmm..I think my problem might be X related`
`20:58.47`	`hoban`	`thanks for the help guys`
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`21:10.41`	`Shapeshifter`	`Problem: My audigy soundcard just died so now I switched to the onboard HDA sound. I'm using OSS and everything is fine. Only problem is that kmix crashes when I try to adjust the volume. It segfaults. Any hints?`
`21:12.39`	`Shapeshifter`	`tried removing kmixrc, didn't work`
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`21:19.44`	`Ben_Cs`	`hello`
`21:19.54`	`Ben_Cs`	`how do i change resolution in kde 3?`
`21:20.01`	`drantin`	`krandrtray ?`
`21:20.11`	`Ben_Cs`	`thanks`
`21:21.04`	`Ben_Cs`	`drantin: it doesn't give me enough resolution options`
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`21:22.20`	`Half-Left`	`Ben_Cs: It only knows from what Xorg provides`
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`21:24.24`	`drantin`	`so fix your xorg.conf to provide more`
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`21:25.49`	`Ben_Cs`	`actually it's on virtualbox so i probably need to add modes to xorg.conf-vesa`
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`21:27.27`	`Ben_Cs`	`i've added modes but don't have them in the tray`
`21:28.43`	`drantin`	`did you restart X?`
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`21:30.16`	`Ben_Cs`	`drantin: ofcourse`
`21:31.49`	`Half-Left`	`doesn't vbox use some vmware driver?`
`21:32.36`	`Half-Left`	`Xorg has one, usually it's that and not vesa`
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`21:33.22`	`Ben_Cs`	`i installed guest editions and now i can go fullscreen without editing xorg.conf`
`21:33.26`	`Ben_Cs`	`problem solved`
`21:33.32`	`Ben_Cs`	`thanks`
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`21:46.01`	`N9NU`	`anyone get a seg fault with kde4-window-decoration ?`
`21:46.11`	`N9NU`	`Version 4.2.90 (KDE 4.2.90 (KDE 4.3 Beta2))`
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`21:51.07`	`Half-Left`	`kde4-window-decoration?`
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`21:51.47`	`N9NU`	`oh...is that a distro specific file`
`21:52.03`	`N9NU`	`my my screen turns white each time i try and start KDE`
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`21:56.24`	`pinotree`	`N9NU: kde4-window-decoration is part of Compiz, not kde`
`21:57.02`	`N9NU`	`woops`
`21:57.03`	`N9NU`	`my bad`
`21:57.13`	`N9NU`	`sri abt that`
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`22:12.09`	`Traveler6`	`hi, anyone using choqok?`
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`22:12.46`	`Traveler6`	`is it normal that it's going crazy? it doesn't show new twits`
`22:13.00`	`korb`	`ive downloaded various themes from kde-look, but non of them seem to work with my fedora11 kdm, giving me a 'parse error' message, anybody can gimme a tip ?`
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`22:20.09`	`Glog78`	`hey guys a friend of mine wants to change automount options for ntfs`
`22:20.30`	`Glog78`	`(kde4) is the only way using hal ?`
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`22:20.57`	`Glog78`	`or does kde have a similar mechanism like gconf on gnome to add userdefined mount options`
`22:21.25`	`Half-Left`	`Glog78: ask in #linux or you distro channel`
`22:21.55`	`Glog78`	`don't mind about the distro -> cause he use gentoo i use arch`
`22:22.07`	`Glog78`	`it's more how does kde exactly automount devices`
`22:22.13`	`Glog78`	`and which settings does it use ?`
`22:23.04`	`Spell`	`kde only mounts plugin devices`
`22:23.23`	`Spell`	`every other thing is distro related`
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`22:25.38`	`Glog78`	`thx in advanced just as i thought`
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`22:28.21`	`seria-mau`	`hi`
`22:28.46`	`seria-mau`	`i installed a few plasma themes, and now my /var/temp/kde-cache*/kpc is 1.3GB big o.o`
`22:29.05`	`pinotree`	`nope`
`22:29.07`	`will_`	`In KDE 4.2, is it possible to hide desktop widgets and only show then when I use the "show dashboard" widget?`
`22:29.10`	`seria-mau`	`there's a .data file for every theme which is 121MB big`
`22:29.18`	`Half-Left`	`seria-mau: They're spase files`
`22:29.29`	`seria-mau`	`what's spase?`
`22:29.43`	`pinotree`	`seria-mau:`
`22:29.45`	`pinotree`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparse_file`
`22:29.50`	`seria-mau`	`oh, sparse`
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`22:30.19`	`Half-Left`	`yep, sparse`
`22:30.20`	`Half-Left`	`:p`
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`22:31.18`	`Half-Left`	`will_: No, but 4.3 does have that feature`
`22:32.43`	`will_`	`Half-Left: do you know when 4.3 will be released?`
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`22:33.18`	`Half-Left`	`sometime at the end of the month`
`22:33.55`	`will_`	`Thanks`
`22:34.23`	`Dario_Andres`	`will_: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.3_Release_Schedule`
`22:34.58`	`seria-mau`	`hmm, unfortunately my backup software doesnt handle sparse files well`
`22:35.14`	`seria-mau`	`and it's just a cp on steroids`
`22:36.28`	`Half-Left`	`It's only cache`
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`22:38.17`	`seria-mau`	`Half-Left: i checked both backupped and not backupped files. while the original files have different size and apparent size, the backup ones have not`
`22:38.17`	`Glog78`	`Some more infos i just found out towards hal / mounting`
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`22:38.44`	`Glog78`	`if someone is serius interested he might read this : http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/general/hal.html`
`22:38.52`	`Half-Left`	`You don't need to backup cached files`
`22:39.20`	`Glog78`	`That in case means that kde should at least support during mounting process`
`22:39.37`	`seria-mau`	`Half-Left: i do full system backups`
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`22:40.08`	`Half-Left`	`The point being?`
`22:40.30`	`Space_Man`	`are there any colour control codes to change the text colour in the konsole?`
`22:41.34`	`seria-mau`	`Half-Left: don't tell me what i should and shouldn't backup`
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`22:42.29`	`Half-Left`	`seria-mau: You asked about the files, you can do what you like with them, I couldn't care less`
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`22:43.26`	`joshuajtl`	`hey folks something other than .gtkrc is telling my gtk apps what icons to use... can anyone tell me what it might be? (running kde of course)`
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`22:44.30`	`seria-mau`	`Half-Left: whatever.`
`22:47.04`	`pinotree`	`seria-mau: well, theorically you can skip what's in /tmp and /var/tmp`
`22:48.27`	`seria-mau`	`pinotree: sure, i can. i just wondered why my backup programm can't handle spares files. no need to be pissed -.-`
`22:48.55`	`pinotree`	`i'm not pissed, just telling you that even if you backup your whole system, those two directories can be skipped`
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`23:08.16`	`joshjtl`	`what is a good way to change gtk icons within kde?`
`23:09.11`	`Spell`	`what do you mean?`
`23:09.45`	`xxtjaxx_`	`joshjtl, I advise you to take a closer look at the kde-system-serttings under visual`
`23:10.12`	`xxtjaxx_`	`joshjtl, last item on the right hand list there`
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