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00:01.57bobbob1016I can't seem to disable the drum sounding noises when I press buttons, I've gone into system settings, but I can't find the setting.  Any ideas?
00:02.38pinotreesystem settings → notifications → notifications → applications
00:03.04bobbob1016pinotree: I did that, disabled all sounds, but I still get them when I press buttons
00:03.19pinotreewhich application in?
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00:04.09bobbob1016At the moment Deluge's Settings do it, but I know there are other places that do it too
00:04.23bobbob1016Tucan does it too
00:05.06bobbob1016Firefox 3.5 too
00:05.32bobbob1016It seems like it only does in the menus though.
00:05.46pinotreewell
00:06.13pinotreenone of them is a kde application, so you most probably need some gtk/gnome control panel application/module to set them
00:07.25bobbob1016Any idea where I could get that?  I mean deluge and tucan might not be common, but Firefox 3.5 is and I'd think that would be a common thing people want done
00:08.24pinotreei'm afraid you need to ask in #gnome
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00:10.03bobbob1016I switched from gnome to kde a few weeks ago, so I still have it installed.  I don't remember having those sounds in gnome though.  So I should ask them what I use to get rid of apply/ok drum noises?
00:11.12pinotreeyep
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00:13.01bobbob1016pinotree: I found it.  I actually have gnome-do still running.  I opened it typed "sound" ran the Sound thing with a giant Speaker, went to the second tab, and disabled play sounds.  Thanks, wouldn't have thought it was a gnome thing still.
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00:24.37oneforallhmm even delete right clikcing on a folder in the tree isn't there wh
00:26.32oneforallhmm not even in the top menu under Edit or anythign. seems the only way is in the content window (column or what ever the name for it )
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00:51.48imckde-4.2.4: konqueror does not remember "focus searchbar" custom shortcut... i think it's a bug
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00:57.27yao_ziyuanbetter add an "add panel" menu item in the upper right corner control
00:58.18yao_ziyuanbecause in a Folder View desktop, there is no right-click menu to add a panel, and if the only panel is deleted, there is no easy way to add a panel
00:58.21oneforallthat to me ?
00:58.26yao_ziyuanno
00:58.46yao_ziyuano no, there is.
00:59.05yao_ziyuanignore my comment.
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00:59.46oneforallthere a way for now to add those to the right click in konq on the tree folders?
01:00.05oneforalldelete,rename etc
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01:31.17tpocraHow do I tell KDE to use double-click for file/folder opening?
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02:02.46Xanadutpocra: SystemSettings --> Keyboard & Mouse --> Mouse.  The bottom area on the right.
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02:20.49yt2005KDE is awesome (KDE 4.2.4, Fedora 11)
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02:24.13tpocraamen yt2005 (KDE 4.2.4, Debian unstable)
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02:30.52shadeslayerjust need to point a error at this link.. http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.2/desktop.php
02:31.05shadeslayeranyone interested?
02:32.36shadeslayerthe video below the " Desktop configuration  " is of KDE 4.3
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02:43.10oneforallwhats the wishlist url again debug.kde.org doesn't work net ..
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02:44.36oneforallnm bugs.kde.org
02:49.27oneforallhey what would you suggest to put in the bug/wish search for first starting kde4 for use default or custom setup . kde3 and down always has where you could customise most at the start .
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03:13.25yao_ziyuancan't set root's kde 4.3 rc2 mouse icon theme
03:13.35yao_ziyuanusing: su -, systemsettings
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03:15.31oneforallkdesu ?
03:16.52krelianhi. if you are using the kdesvn-build script, can you please tell me how long a clean build takes you?
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03:18.09oneforallkdesvn-build  this to make the src packages ?
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03:21.24oneforallhmm few crashes konq, panel bg , feels like kde is sutting down
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03:21.33ondarunis there a way to add "print file" to the context menu in dolphin?
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03:24.21oneforallah crap was so nice to see konq ask if I wanted to restore session. But this time it didn't :(
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03:25.26oneforalloh nv it did but for some reason it was shrunk to a small  icon  size and opened a new one.
03:25.28ondarunsomeone know if there is a way to edit the contex menue from dolphin?
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03:26.44oneforalldarn that ones taking a long time to refresh moving from tab to tab
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03:45.23nbetcherHello
03:46.05nbetcherAnyone have an idea what exactly going on with the NetworkManager applet for plasma in trunk? When I try to add it plasma crashes with: "arguments to dbus_message_new_method_call() were incorrect, assertion "_dbus_check_is_valid_path (path)" failed in file dbus-message.c line 1074."
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03:50.21oneforallhmm has the restore on a crash , but not when you click on the x .
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03:58.36tpocraWhen I close the screen on my laptop it is set to lock it but not suspend
03:58.50tpocraI get this KDE sound i want to turn off when this happens
03:58.59tpocraI cannot find it in notifications, however.
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04:03.05oneforallhow can I close konq with a bunch of tabs open ,so it opens them again. But not allways. Just that time or only when you close it
04:11.28oneforallkonq is sure sluggish , But refreshing too . kde4
04:11.44yao_ziyuanwhich file does systemsettings write settings to?
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04:19.19oneforalldarn I need to restart konq but how can Inhave it resume the pages I have open  or how can I crash it. would kill -9 do and have it ask if I want to restore
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04:23.12oneforall-devel
04:23.21oneforallthat did it kill -9 #pid :)
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04:54.31yt2005KDE is still awesome
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05:33.52kickarhey guys where can I find the icon of show desktop plasmoid? i need to replace  it with another one :)
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05:42.47fbvortexI'm on KDE 3.5.10 and having a problem where windows and programs are still working and I can move the mouse cursor, but X isn't responding to keystrokes (except for switching VTs) or mouse clicks.  Can I ssh in and kill kwin and restart it without killing my whole KDE session?
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05:42.54Estagus_hi all
05:43.02fbvortexI am running sshd on the machine
05:43.07Estagus_who knows. krfb in kde 4.2.4 usable?
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05:45.36Estagus_I start it, allow to connect with password. then use client from other comp (tightvnc as example). I can connect, but my screen image "doubled with offset to right" and I can't do anything.
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05:49.12fbvortexthe answer to my question is: yes one can do what I was asking and have the KDE session stay up.  I apparently hit a bug in kwin .
05:49.38fbvortexnow to reward myself with a listen to "Cemetery Gates".  later all.
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05:53.34kickarcan someone tell me where the plasmoid icons are located?
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06:18.54kickarhey anyone have an idea on how to change the show desktop plasmoid icon ?
06:19.21kickaror anyone here runs mac osx like kde4 ?
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06:33.15Nameless_auhi. i've d/led a few kdm4 themes from kde-look.org. i go to login manager, install theme and no matter what file i refer to, it says it's not a valid kdm theme. what am i doing wrong?
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06:50.04ultrav1oletafter watching video in the dragon part of Konqueror, Konqueror lost mouse cursor. How can I make it visible without restarting Konqueror?
06:50.35ultrav1oletThis situation drives me mad
06:50.37thiago_homefix dragonplayer
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06:50.58xineohpHello.
06:52.26ultrav1oletthiago_home: you must be joking, I'm a user, not a developer!
06:52.40thiago_homeI'm not
06:52.46ultrav1oletany ideas how to restore the mouse cursor?
06:52.50thiago_homeyou don't really expect every bug to have a workaround, do you?
06:52.58ultrav1olet:'(
06:53.04thiago_homeyou've already found a workaround (close konqueror)
06:53.33xineohpCan someone help me with the installation of kde4 on a linuxmint7 computer?
06:54.22fheinultrav1olet: using latest KDE4?
06:55.16ultrav1olet4.2.4
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06:57.03fheindunno, but it might be fixed in a newer one? I've also tried getting help with bugs etc but everybody's like "get the latest version.. if it's still there go to bugs.kde.org" :P
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07:01.15ajnrHi all, Hi, All I am not getting the networkmanager icon in KDE,How to solve? I am using KDE of Fedora11
07:01.19xineohpAnyone able to help me?
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07:01.56ultrav1oletxineohp: don't ask to ask, just ask
07:02.23ajnrSorry for repeating
07:02.51xineohpWhat I'm basically do is trying to install kde4 for my linuxmint 7 computer and do not know where to start.
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07:03.16xineohpI'm in a crap situation.
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07:05.32fheinxineohp: do you have gnome or something else installed atm?
07:05.52fheinor is it a text only installation
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07:07.28Nameless_auwhere do you change usplash in kde4?
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07:07.38Nameless_aucant find it anywhere
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07:08.03Nameless_auusplash, not bootsplash
07:08.10JucatoNameless_au: usplash is not part of kde. please ask in your distro's channel
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07:08.23Nameless_auJucato: my apologies
07:08.29Jucatonp
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07:08.59DumbleHello world !
07:09.03Jucato(and usplash is a bootsplash)
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07:12.03oneforallwow weird in kde4 my qemu-system-x86_64 opens up huge off screen a bit compared to kde3
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07:15.58szalwth..  the info plasmoid in the tray eats 50 % CPU time when showing while data transfer is going on..
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07:16.52spirov92how do I reset all settings for Kate?
07:16.54MercurialAlchemiWhat happened to activities in 4.3?
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07:17.27spirov92MercurialAlchemi: what activities?
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07:17.47MercurialAlchemiin 4.2, you had plasma activities, which were groups of plasmoids
07:18.03MercurialAlchemiI don't think many people were using this feature, though
07:18.09MercurialAlchemiseems to be gone now
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07:19.00xineohp__Can someone help me with the installation of kde4 on a linuxmint7 computer?
07:19.03spirov92MercurialAlchemi: yeah, those seem to be gone
07:19.29spirov92xineohp__: well, in the package manager, there should be a kde 4 package group
07:19.31MercurialAlchemishame there's nothing to pin a widget to a particular destkop to make up for it, then
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07:20.33xineohp__spirov92: I just do not know where to start at exactly.
07:20.54spirov92xineohp__: in YaST on openSUSE, if you right-click on the package group and choose "install all", it installs only the basic kde4 packages
07:21.12szalspirov92: invalid comparison :P
07:21.18xineohp__spirov92: But I'm using "LinuxMint7" though.
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07:21.40szalxineohp__: ask in the Linux Mint channel; distro-specific packaging is off-topic here :)
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07:22.45xineohp__szal: I thought this would install on almost any linux version if I downloaded it off the "main website".
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07:24.23szalxineohp__: really no need to do that if distro pkgs are available..  after all KDE itself don't offer binaries iirc; you'd need to compile the source, and for that there are instructions on the site if I'm not mistaken
07:25.08xineohp__szal: I got the source, just don't know how to compile it right.
07:25.41xineohp__The distro things ("the simple way") isn't working out for me (Really complicated situation here).
07:26.09cookiemon5terxineohp__: what are ye trying do do ?
07:26.33cookiemon5terto do *
07:26.58xineohp__cookiemon5ter: Basically install kde4. Most of the other tools I'm using on the computer is failing me, so I decided to go by using source.
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07:27.55cookiemon5teryou can't install kde with linux mint ?
07:28.27xineohp__cookiemon5ter: Nope, the easy features isn't doing it for me.
07:28.56cookiemon5teri don't even know what linux mint is
07:29.25spirov92cookiemon5ter: it's a Linux distro, obviously  :)
07:29.25xineohp__cookiemon5ter: Another kind of linux, made from Ubuntu basically.
07:29.31cookiemon5teris it a source based distro ?
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07:30.04xineohp__Based on ubuntu which is based on debian.
07:30.12thiago_homexineohp__: then install the binary packages that come with that distribution.
07:30.23cookiemon5teri'd say install gentoo and emerge kde-meta
07:30.29szalcookiemon5ter: Mint 7 goes on top of *buntu Jaunty
07:30.37oneforallI think he said he did but things don't work well
07:31.04szalaccording to their website the Jaunty repos are compatible
07:31.04cookiemon5terso you can apt-get install kde-meta ?
07:31.04thiago_homethen either fix, or build yourself, or use another distro
07:31.07xineohp__Not even apt-get works.
07:31.19thiago_homehow do you install programs on mint?
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07:31.24cookiemon5terxineohp__: look in synaptics or w.e it is
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07:32.15xineohp__I ether use apt-get, or download those "make my life easy .mint/.deb" files.
07:32.26xineohp__But in this situation. I can't.
07:32.34cookiemon5terxineohp__: I've used gen2 for many moons i don't know how these other distros work :(
07:32.47szalxineohp__: why can't you?
07:33.30xineohp__szal: I'm getting many "connection refuse" errors. That is why.
07:33.31cookiemon5terbut still being based on bunters why can;t ye use aptitude or apt-gets ?
07:33.33thiago_homexineohp__: so the servers aren't working
07:33.36thiago_homexineohp__: try again later
07:33.55xineohp__thiago: This has been going on for "hours".
07:33.56szalxineohp__: or use other mirrors
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07:34.19cookiemon5terxineohp__: this happens when using free software ;)
07:34.33szallack of mirrors can't be a problem w/ *buntu repos
07:34.41cookiemon5terservers go down for maintenance just use another server
07:34.41thiago_homexineohp__: then wait more hours
07:34.43thiago_hometwo days even
07:35.01thiago_homeor use other servers, like cookiemon5ter said
07:35.23cookiemon5terin gentoo we have the noble mirrorselect program
07:35.46xineohp__No matter what I try, everything is connection refused, so I came here in hopes that I can learn how to cmake the source files so things can finally get installed.
07:35.51thiago_homemandriva has a mirror selecting too
07:36.09thiago_homexineohp__: if you want to compile from sources, look for the tutorials in techbase.kde.org
07:36.25cookiemon5termandriva is the shiznix I liked the livecd :)
07:36.29thiago_homehave you installed the packages necessary for compiling already (cmake, c++ build tools, the KDE dependencies)?
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07:37.25thiago_homeif you haven't yet, you'll need to install them before proceeding
07:37.52xineohp__thiago_home: Is there a list for that? That tells me exactly?
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07:49.17oneforallxineohp__ dunno about linux mini but I'd say there page should have a section saying where allt eh conmpiling tools are
07:49.41oneforallgcc,cmake,automake,perl...............
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07:51.02intokhow buggy is the windows port of KDE at this time?
07:51.37pinotreeintok: should not be that much... better ask in #kde-windows for more details
07:53.54oneforallwhats versions of windows does that work in ?
07:54.17oneforallwhoops lag
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08:01.22cookiemon5terkde is turning me into an astronomer :S
08:01.23thiagooneforall: no automake
08:02.04oneforallno I was just giving a list of compiling tools
08:02.11oneforallin general
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09:08.44ZombieBear_Mwahahahaha! I've regained the ability to write accented characters and ñ! áéíóú!
09:09.18MinceRzombie bears with the ability to write accented characters are the most dangerous of all zombie bears.
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09:09.57ZombieBear_Soeey, I meant ZombieBeear™
09:10.13ZombieBear_Well so much for gramatically correct I guess
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09:11.55ZombieBear_¡Ahora puedo usar signos de exclamación!
09:12.39ZombieBear_Lol I'm getting pretty good at finding obscure configuration options. I'm proud of this achievement.
09:13.05ZombieBear_The lack of ñ was my only regret in switching to Linux for pthe past 2 years
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09:13.43linopolusHi
09:15.32ZombieBearHow long was my nick wrong for? o_O
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09:20.15annmalinopolus: kde version?
09:20.30linopolus4.2
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09:21.52cisticolahi, kwifimanager connects to a wireless router ok with no security , however it fails if wpa_psk is enabled on the router. Debian Lenny KDE 3.5.10
09:23.08cisticolaWhats the most likely culprit
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09:25.06linopolusannma: KDE4.2
09:25.06annmalinopolus: on the right of the search line you get icons
09:25.07annmaone is for the sorting options
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09:29.21krionhi
09:29.54krioni try to raise a windows with dbus, i don't know if i should look with dbus and kwin or dbus and ktorrent
09:30.38Zarin_krion, what are you trying to do?
09:31.01Zarin_Might want to look at wmctrl or whatever it's called
09:31.12Jucatoit's called...
09:31.15Jucato"wmctrl"
09:31.19krionraise the main window of ktorrent (who's on the systray riht now)
09:31.58krionoh alright i have that in the repository
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09:32.32krioni was trying to use qdbus and dbus-send
09:32.46krionbut i didn't manage to find the right parameters
09:32.55Jucatoqdbus org.ktorrent.ktorrent /ktorrent/MainWindow_1 show
09:33.22Jucatonote that it depends on the app whether it has something like that. so wmctrl is a more generic solution
09:33.39krionJucato: works fine :)
09:33.48krionJucato: thanks
09:33.54Jucatoyeah. that will only work for ktorrent alone
09:33.55krioni'll have a look to wmctrl too
09:34.15Jucatoand dbus calls might change (dunno KTorrent's policy)
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09:46.33caoticis bluetooth sopose to be somwhere in the "system settings" ?
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09:50.08krionthere is plenty of dbus call :)
09:50.26Xilenthi, if my firefox ist started before amarok2, amarok2 plays no sounds
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09:51.53Xilentno hints from results of "lsof | grep pulse"
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10:01.57caoticXilent: is firefox using flash at any point ?
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10:02.00krionqdbus org.ktorrent.ktorrent /core remove 0bf31421e7b4c1c3d563503b1a05575eb0c19803 true
10:02.03krionsweet ;)
10:02.36kage-ookamiplaying with dbus commands?
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10:04.57arossouwhow do you hide application icons , when switching multiple desktops?
10:05.04Xilentcaotic, yes
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10:05.18arossouwie. if i'm running applications on desktop window 1, i dont want to see it in desktop window 2
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10:06.31caoticXilent: flash tends to be a f*cktard sometimes with holding sound server hostage
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10:07.08Xilenti've expected smth like this
10:07.18caoticXilent: I use to switch amaroks engine, back at < 2.0 but now I dont know
10:08.00Kebab_Farciarossouw You can right clik on the tasklist and clik on configure tasklist ==> Check the box : only
10:08.15caotictry killall -9 firefox amarok; "restart alsa"; start and play amarok, and wile amarok is playing start firefox
10:08.17Kebab_Farcionly display task on the current desktop
10:08.24caoticXilent: ^
10:08.46krionkage-ookami: yes
10:08.57krioni control my desktop via ssh :)
10:09.11krionwithout vnc or stuff
10:09.19arossouwsorry, but how do you get tasklist
10:10.03Kebab_FarciHm my kde is in french so i tried to translate but i think it's not called task list
10:10.08kage-ookamiarossouw: Alt+F2 and then the second icon with tooltip "Show System Activity"
10:10.46Kebab_Farcijust do a right click where you see your applications running like firefox, dolphin etc...
10:11.12krioni qdbus command then scrot then open the screenshoot via ssh
10:11.16caotickrion: please elaborate
10:12.01caotickage-ookami: ctl + escape does the same
10:12.17kage-ookamicaotic: nice to know that shortcut  then :)
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10:12.30caotickrion: qdbus, for a second you got me exited there :(
10:12.31Kebab_Farciwhen you right click you have 3 choice : remove tasklist ,  Options for the panel , Configure Tasklist
10:12.46Kebab_Farcii thing it is called taskmanager or something else in english kde
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10:13.40arossouwon System Activity, i have Configure window behavior
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10:14.57kage-ookamiis still looking for some MUD client for kde4...
10:15.02arossouwim using glassified theme
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10:15.51Kebab_Farciit's in the center part of you panel, do you see the list of your current running applications like firefox, pidgin etc.. ?
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10:17.21arossouwi see the applications , when i right click on a running process , i have for example send signal, renice process, kill process
10:17.52ebwwhen I try to start kde as a user it hangs when it does "System service initialization" in the splash screen thingy. as root it works good. please give some advice, what the mistake could be
10:18.06Kebab_FarciHm I mean right click on your panel, not on the system activity
10:19.29Kebab_Farciwhen you open firefox for example, you can see at the center of you panel, an item called firefox which add to the other opened applications
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10:20.46Kebab_Farciyou have to right click on the blank part at the right of this new item
10:20.52arossouwok, i right click on the panel , then i see Do not allow this program to be grouped
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10:21.32Kebab_FarciAh, you right clicked on an item, but you juste have to right clik on the blank part at the right of the item
10:22.00Kebab_Farcibecause you want to display the configuration for the taskbar or tasklist (don't know the exact name)
10:22.13kage-ookamiKebab_Farci: "Taks Manager Settings", "Panel options", "Remove this Task Manager"
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10:22.31arossouwKebab_Farci: ah, i get it, managed, thanks
10:22.56Kebab_Farcikage-ookami i don't agree because it just remove the task manager
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10:23.20Kebab_Farciarossouw just want to display the tasks of the current desktop in his task manager
10:23.25kage-ookamiKebab_Farci: those are the 3 optinos if you rightclick on the blank part in an english taskmanager
10:23.34caoticdoes anyone know a "practicall" way to remote control mplayer ? using a linux pda, and its hard to type special caracters with a stylus and pretty unpracticall when you miss one
10:23.41Kebab_Farciyes you must chose the first option
10:23.48Kebab_Farciconfigure task manager
10:24.06caoticguess I can php / dbus something, but not in the mood for developing right now :P
10:24.16Kebab_Farcia configuration window is appearing and in the filters subsection you have to check the first box
10:24.33Kebab_Farcidisplay only tasks of the current desktop or something like that
10:26.05arossouwi must say, the new kde4 is a bit intimidating
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10:26.30Kebab_Farciyeah but it's really good
10:26.38caoticarossouw: you'll get use to it :P
10:26.45Kebab_Farcidid you sucess arossouw
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10:27.21arossouwyes, thank you
10:27.34arossouwkde4 is great :-)
10:27.57kage-ookamiarossouw: it would be even greater if you can tell me a MUD client that doesn't need kde3.5 libs
10:28.02kage-ookami;)
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10:28.38arossouwi used to stop using kde3 because of performance issues, but its blazing fast now
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10:28.58caoticarossouw: saddly the "command" I use more is "killall -9 plasma; kdeinit4_wrapper plasma" , right after
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10:29.52kage-ookamicaotic: had a similar problem until I threw out some plasmoids.
10:29.59kage-ookamino idea which ones, though
10:30.26caoticarossouw: plasma tends to crash, when runing it for 24/3
10:31.14caotickage-ookami: It crashes like every 3 or 4 days, still, beats the hell of windows explorer :P
10:31.21caotickage-ookami: well mabe we have similar plasmoids runing
10:31.43arossouwcaotic: i mostly use the a terminal so, plasma doesnt really help
10:31.56kage-ookamicaotic: oh yea - there is some kind of memory leek, I guess... but I shut down my computer during the night, so its not that much of an issue for me anymore
10:32.28caotickage-ookami: right, but if you got two monitors ... and a good vidcard, its just a waste to use only the console :P
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10:33.01kage-ookami*points to arossouw* theres the console guy. not me.
10:33.30caotickage-ookami: rigth, I have that two commands as a script so, whenever I can restart plasma quickly ( it doesnt kill your aplications )
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10:38.14mofuxhi... what is the irc channel of the dolphin devs?
10:38.18Jucatocaotic: yeah kquitapp won't restart plasma, but it will cleanly quit it using dbus. kill(all) will just kill it senseless :)
10:38.27pinotreemofux: there's none; what's your question?
10:38.46mofuxno question... a feature request
10:39.12caoticJucato: yes plus, let say I kill vim ... jejej if I have a root session using that program I loose my data,
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10:39.26pinotreemofux: https://bugs.kde.org, or the Brainstorm section in our forum, if you are not familiar with a bug tracking system
10:39.26caoticJucato: killall -9 vim :P
10:39.33Jucato:)
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10:39.47mofuxpinotree: ok, cool
10:40.03mofuxgood reason to get a forum account finally ;)
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10:44.02caoticquick survey just for the shits and giggles, how do you launch your dolphin alt+f2, dolphin, alt+f2 ~, neither;
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10:47.55caoticis bored, couldnt get any sleep, almost 6 am, can't go to bed now
10:48.37mokolokowhy
10:49.11mokolokoit feels best to go to sleep when others are waking up :P
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10:49.40caoticmokoloko: the job thing ...
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10:50.03caoticIf I go to sleep, there is no way I would hear the alarm clock
10:50.14mokolokooh then just sleep at work :)
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10:51.01oneforallwhats an alarm clock ?
10:51.03oneforall:)
10:51.56caoticoneforall: oh is this webpage that you can set so it blast your speakers at certain time
10:52.45caoticI dont think there is a reason to own one anymore
10:52.51oneforalloh the geek clock
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10:53.41oneforallonborad sound card are the craps for loudness :)
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10:54.18oneforallI can fart louder
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10:55.01caoticoneforall: well you can always try to wakeonlan at some time and short circuit some usb to shock you at certain time ..
10:55.18caoticmm I repeat myself
10:55.35caoticway to much, yeah, today is gonna be an awesome day at work
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11:01.35popplerwhat's the en_UK kde locale/language called?
11:02.21annmaBritish
11:02.59annmaen_GB
11:03.09annmaBritish English
11:03.45popplerno I mean the package
11:03.52popplersomething like 10n or 10l
11:04.12popplerI'm searching it in my distro repositories but don't know the name
11:04.21annmal10n someting
11:04.32annmaor i18n something
11:04.53popplerno 18n was the old one I guess
11:05.13annmayou did not tell your version
11:05.31annmai18n- or l10n-
11:05.40freeedrich|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalization_and_localization
11:06.38popplerthanks
11:06.54popplerok thanks annma, it's kde4.2 by the way
11:06.59popplerfound it
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11:29.42mofux<PROTECTED>
11:30.10mofuxdid i present the idea clear enough to post it on the forums?
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11:31.19oneforallisn't kde4 supposed to have a popup when you insert a dvd/cd so you can pick how to open it ? default is that darn thunar and it never even asks me . I changed it to konq  and now nothing happens
11:31.38annmamofux: "it's more like links" <- explain
11:31.47annmait's either links or not
11:32.18oneforallservices isn't even showing it
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11:33.27mofuxannma ... what i meant is that the files won't be copied to the stack, it's softlinks pointing to the files you add there
11:33.45annmado you know Basket?
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11:33.52mofuxno
11:33.57mofuxdoes it do that?
11:33.58annmayou should have a look
11:34.08annmaI don't know exactly
11:34.11mofuxdoes it have dolphin integration?
11:34.31oneforalleven if I try media:/ thats says not supported. isn't that in the konq plugins ?
11:34.48mofuxannma: http://basket.kde.org/ <--- this?
11:34.57annmahow is your filestack different from a folder except it has links?
11:35.26annmamaybe it's not Basket then, it's an app where you can drop stuff in
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11:35.38annmato keep it at hand
11:36.15oneforallany idea ?
11:36.18mofuxannma... 1) it's always accessible   2) ever tried to do stuff to files on different locations? it's easy to loose sight
11:36.38mofuxannma: it's kinda the same thing why the "drop stuff to desktop" was so successfull
11:36.48mofuxa place where you can drop things to access them always easily
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11:37.17annmait's like trash except it links
11:37.36annmayou still have Desktop
11:37.41mofuxi write a mail and want to attach things... then i do "hmm, take this... yeah, maybe that... ah and there, this i want too"... "hmm... but now i want to rar all this... headache"
11:37.49mofuxannma: exactly
11:37.59mofuxlike trash
11:40.03mofuxalso, sometimes when you have a very large folder and many files in it, it feels unsafe that you by accident deselect all of them... dropping stuff to the file stack will give you that "save" feeling
11:40.08mofuxyou know what i mean?
11:40.31mofux^and select many files in it
11:40.33mofux^sry
11:41.18mofuxyou have a folder with 200 files (e.g. photos) and select maybe 35... that's such an unsafe operation for me every time because i have the fear to deselect by accident
11:41.38mofuxso it would be nice to just drag them to a save place
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11:50.41annmamofux: just add a place in Dolphin
11:51.00annmaas a USB stick or something
11:51.32mofuxbut then the content i drag there will be copied?
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11:52.32henshawhow do I turn off blinking cursors in textfields?
11:52.49annmaI am not sure I see the usa case of links
11:52.52annmause
11:53.02annmahowever I despite links so I might be biased
11:53.08annmawhat do you do on links?
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11:59.00annmamofux: what's yur use case for links versus actual files?
12:00.12mofuxannma... another example... imagine you could save such a stack... when you work on different files in different folders you would always have a quick to reach place where to save links to your files you work an currently
12:00.50mofuxcombined with kde's network transparency this would be a very great feature for web devs
12:01.47annmaI don't want links personally
12:02.01mofuxbecause of the linked nature you would always modify the original source
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12:02.21mofuxfor me it would be perfect when working on a big project with many different people on only a limited set of files
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12:02.37annmauses svn
12:03.11henshawthat sounds like something for desktop search. semantic whatchacallit.
12:03.43szalwhat?  SVN?
12:03.57szalthat's short for 'subversion'
12:04.20henshawfiles associated with the active project
12:07.46annmayup
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12:31.25yao_ziyuantry to rename a file in kde 4.3 rc2's Folder View desktop
12:31.35yao_ziyuanin a folder preview pane.
12:32.10yao_ziyuanthe file is automatically renamed to empty, but the file extension is there.
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12:32.50ddhanasekarhow to update my firebox browser to latest version
12:33.18annmayao_ziyuan: font problem? what language?
12:33.21cb400fddhanasekar: that's way off topic.. ask in your distro channel
12:33.28annmaddhanasekar: ask your distro channel
12:33.41yao_ziyuanannma: english
12:33.50annmaweird I can rename files
12:34.09cb400fa subfolder via the preview popup?
12:34.10annmawhat is a folder preview pane though?
12:34.24yao_ziyuani mean, on the Folder View desktop, if you hover on a folder, a preview window will show its contents, and then you rename a file in that window
12:34.29cb400fhover over a folder in folderview, which has subfolders.. try to rename the subfolder
12:34.48ddhanasekarI dont want to update my old firefox to latest version
12:35.00ddhanasekarsorry
12:35.19yao_ziyuanit is a file in a subfolder in a subfolder in a folder on the desktop
12:35.40ddhanasekarI download the latest version of the firebox browser and It wont install
12:35.53pinotreeddhanasekar: ask in the channel of your distro
12:35.55Jucatoddhanasekar: Firefox is not a KDE program. please ask in your distro
12:35.57cb400fthere's a good chance your distro has packages
12:36.07cb400f.. if you ask in the right place
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13:47.21mluser-homeAnyone know how to change the default dvd viewing application in device manager? Currently dragon player is the default, I'd like to change that
13:48.02wwalkeris there any way to turn off the "dock" at the bottom of the screen for just one of the workspaces?
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13:48.45MercurialAlchemimluser-home: have a look at 'Device actions' in the 'advanced' section of the system settings
13:50.17mluser-homeMercurialAlchemi: thank you
13:51.22mluser-homeMercurialAlchemi: Interestingly I dont have 'Device Actions' in my system settings.. would you happen to know which package provides that?
13:51.53MercurialAlchemimluser-home: you are on 4.2?
13:52.09mluser-homeMercurialAlchemi: yes.. 4.2.4
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13:52.33MercurialAlchemimluser-home: ah, just upgraded to 4.3
13:52.53mluser-homeMercurialAlchemi: hehe, ok.. thanks.. I guess I'll wait then
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13:58.19sabayonweb_14090Is there something special I have to do in order to get my 4.2 KDE to boot up on a DVD? I can get my 4.2 gnome to boot up but not my kde
13:59.05sabayonweb_14090can any1 please answer that???
13:59.25MercurialAlchemisabayonweb_14090: gnome 4.2? interesting
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14:00.10sabayonweb_14090do i need to do something in order to get my kde to boot?
14:00.31MercurialAlchemisabayonweb_14090: Are you trying to make a livecd?
14:00.34Half-LeftWhat exactly are you asking?
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14:01.26sabayonweb_14090yes im trying to make a live cd
14:02.05sabayonweb_14090I burned my 4.2 kde to a cd and then when I boot it up it says cannot find kernel:linux
14:02.20Half-LeftAsk a distro channel
14:02.44MercurialAlchemidoesn't sound KDE-related
14:02.44Half-LeftYou can't just put KDE on a dvd and expect it to boot
14:02.54sabayonweb_14090what do I have to do?
14:02.57MercurialAlchemican't blame it for not booting if it can't find a kernel
14:03.11MercurialAlchemisabayonweb_14090: what Half-Left said
14:03.33sabayonweb_14090so what do I do to make it bootable???
14:03.45Half-LeftGo google or ask a distrubution channel
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14:04.10sabayonweb_14090is it #distrobution
14:04.14sabayonweb_14090?
14:04.16Half-LeftThat's a Linux question boot/kernel setup question
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14:04.21MercurialAlchemisabayonweb_14090: KDE is a desktop environment, not an operating system, you need the rest of the machinery
14:04.22Kraplaxhello
14:04.37MercurialAlchemisabayonweb_14090: this is way beyond what this channel is intended for
14:04.43sabayonweb_14090I'm new to kde
14:04.59sabayonweb_14090what is the distrobuton channel???
14:05.04Half-LeftThen try a distribution that is setup for KDE then
14:05.11Kraplaxdoes anyone know which application allows SVN up and SVN commits right from the right-click menu of Dolhpin in KDE4?
14:05.15henshawsabayonweb_14090: how did you get your gnome thing to boot up? where did you get that from?
14:05.17MercurialAlchemisabayonweb_14090: what kind of Linux are you using?
14:05.36JosieKraplax, None that I know of, but KSvn is pretty good.
14:06.17sabayonweb_14090I got my gnome from a mirror site on sabayon.org/mirrors henshaw, and then I used imgbrn to burn it to a disk
14:06.19KraplaxJosie: i guess i have kdesdk installed, so Update and Commit options are there for svn working copies :/
14:06.34Kraplaxbut i'm not sure if it's about kdesdk
14:06.41sabayonweb_14090I'm using 4.2GNOME
14:06.53Kraplaxsabayonweb_14090: O_O
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14:07.09Half-LeftMost lightly kdesdk yes
14:07.22henshawsabayonweb_14090: then you need to find irc support for sabayon
14:07.26JosieKraplax, I just use ksvn and the terminal client, give it shot? Kdesdk is pretty sweet though.
14:07.26KraplaxHalf-Left: the problem is it's not working properly
14:07.47MercurialAlchemisabayonweb_14090: this didn't make any sense. Gnome is another desktop environment (like KDE), and its latest version is 2.26
14:07.47JosieKraplax, What's it not doing?
14:07.48Half-LeftTry something like Qsvn
14:08.19KraplaxJosie: it does commit but it does it somewhat erroneously.
14:08.32Kraplaxit shows the log Message dialog
14:08.38sabayonweb_14090Ok, I'm using sabayon 4.2 with GNOME
14:08.38JosieKraplax, Aha. What do you mean?
14:08.41Kraplaxbut while i was entering the message
14:09.00Josiesabayonweb_14090, Then I suggest you join #sabayon and ask how to install KDE there.
14:09.06Kraplaxanother dialog appeared that told me that commit gone well
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14:09.25JosieAh... That is strange.
14:09.31Kraplaxso, it actually ignored my log message and enetered some rubbish as log instead
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14:09.53Kraplaxr997199
14:10.31Kraplaxso i was acutally wondering what application should i file a buigreport against
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14:10.34MercurialAlchemisabayonweb_14090: then you need to find sabayon's IRC channel. Sabayon is your Linux distribution
14:11.25JosieKraplax, I'm pretty sure that's kdesdk, but I'm not sure why it's committing before you give a log message.
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14:11.44Kraplaxme too :/
14:12.02Kraplaxtrying to find out what app is it
14:12.07Half-LeftKraplax: Try Qsvn, it's pretty good
14:12.22MercurialAlchemiHalf-Left: Qsvn or ksvn?
14:12.32Half-Leftqsvn is a Qt app
14:12.34sabayonweb_14090How do I get my sound to work?!?!
14:12.36JosieAnd to follow Half-Left's suggestion, KSvn is pretty good aswell.
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14:12.45Half-LeftI use it, it's works well
14:12.46sabayonweb_14090How do I get my sound to work?!?!
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14:13.01Josiesabayonweb_14090, Please ask a question only once.
14:13.02KraplaxHalf-Left: thanks for tip, but i'd rather use console variant next time. i just want to file a bugreport now.
14:13.26sabayonweb_14090Ok Josie
14:13.38sabayonweb_14090But do you know the answer to my question???
14:13.47Half-LeftOr just use konsole part in Dolphin :p
14:13.53Josiesabayonweb_14090, Also,  kde's sound system just tends to work if your soundcard is actually working. So it sounds like it may be a driver issue which is something you need to consult your distribution's channel about.
14:14.18JosieKDE != Operating System.
14:14.23sabayonweb_14090what?
14:14.32Josie#kde != Operating system support channel
14:14.56Josie!= means not equal to. Haven't you made it to basic algebra yet?
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14:15.25MercurialAlchemisabayonweb_14090: in other words, #kde is there for support issues specifically related to KDE, nothing else
14:15.33sabayonweb_14090No1 pays attention in #Sabayon and ever even types a thing or responds in that channel
14:16.02MercurialAlchemisabayonweb_14090: see if they have a mailing list?
14:16.05henshawI was confused first time I saw "!=". mainly because I don't restrict my handwriting to ascii.
14:16.06Half-LeftWell thats to bad, go to their wiki or haome page then
14:16.24Josiesabayonweb_14090, Then try forums, newgroups, etc. Regardless of that, we usually don't know how to help you.
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14:16.27Half-LeftOr get a more common better supported Distro
14:16.44Josiehenshaw, I'm a programmer, not a writer.
14:16.46Half-Lefthome*
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14:17.20JosieYes, (K)ubuntu, Fedora, Debian..
14:17.24henshawJosie: you do all your algebra with a keyboard?
14:18.09KraplaxJosie: i'm quite sure that != isn't from algebra, but from programming. am i wrong?
14:18.18Josiehenshaw, No, I do most of my algebra with a peice of paper, but I do tend to type naturally.
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14:18.45JosieKraplax, Actually = with a slash through it is from algebra, != is the adaptation for standard keyboards.
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14:18.57Kraplaxah
14:19.02Kraplaxdidn't know that
14:19.05JosieBoth mean "Is not equal to"
14:19.20Half-LeftWell use something more laman next time :)
14:19.23Half-Leftlayman*
14:19.27Kraplaxit's just that in C the ! sign means NOT
14:19.48tstaerk2only Pascal had <>
14:19.51Kraplaxthus != is NOT EQUAL
14:19.52MercurialAlchemiand many other languages
14:20.10Kraplaxand !X means NOT X
14:20.41Kraplaxso i didn't actually thought of it as of slash adoption
14:20.52Kraplaxok, thanks everyone who helped
14:20.57JosieHalf-Left, Forgive me, I forget that most people asking questions are probably not the most educated sort.
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14:21.27Half-Leftit's not about being educated, it's about doing it in a way everyone can understand
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14:21.59henshawsabayonweb_14090: how long did you wait in #sabayon? sometimes you have to wait hours on low-activity channels. and it might help to have a relatively detailed, constructive question (what you've tried, what error messages you see) to help out the people who're hopefully going to help you.
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14:22.58henshawJosie: I often wish we had extensive cheap oled so that I could have a unicode keyboard.
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14:23.15Josielol
14:23.21tstaerk2sabayonweb_14090, whatever I tried, SUSE, Ubuntu - everything worked out of the box.
14:23.48JosieSo who's ready for 4.3!?
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14:24.06kage-ookamisure... Almost waiting impatiently for 4.3
14:25.13JosieI honestly can't wait.
14:25.27JosieI know it's gonna take ubuntu forever to put it in the repositories.
14:25.36Josiegoes and adds experimental ppa
14:25.46MercurialAlchemipart of it is in Debian experimental
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14:26.23JosieThe beta's are in kubuntu-members ppa
14:27.45sabayonweb_14090how do i get kde process manager???
14:28.05MercurialAlchemisabayonweb_14090: ctl-escape
14:29.18cb400for alt+f2 -> ksysguard for the "full" version
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14:34.27kage-ookamiJosie: that's why I use gentoo with the kde-testing overlay. Unfortunately its not yet stable enough to put on this box I use daily.
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14:49.47poppleris there a way to use regex'es in okular when searching?
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14:49.57pinotreepoppler: no
14:50.00poppler:(
14:50.01popplerok
14:50.06popplerno workaround even?
14:50.10pinotreeno
14:50.19poppler:ì(
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14:51.20popplerI guess I'll have to copy paste the text into kate and use that
14:51.59poppleroh there's export as plain text
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15:19.44milianare pdf previews in konqueror / dolphin not working anymore?
15:19.53milianjust tested in debian, doesn't show any preview
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15:22.06Half-Leftmilian: You have to enable the preview file type
15:22.17milianHalf-Left: did that
15:22.22milianworks for png, text etc.
15:22.48Half-LeftHow did you enable it?
15:22.55milianvia menu, how else?
15:22.58henshawhow big is the pdf?
15:23.22milianhenshaw: big
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15:23.37milianbut doesn't work for small (<1mb files) either
15:23.40milianso that's not the issue
15:23.42Half-LeftGeneral>Previews
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15:25.21milianHalf-Left: could you make a screenshot? I cant find anything about that in the settings
15:25.25milianneither in konqueror nor in dolphin
15:26.11Half-LeftWhich KDE version?
15:26.24milian4.2.4
15:26.43Half-LeftIn Dolphin it's Settings>Configure Dolphin>General>Previews
15:28.08Half-Leftthere is a tick box for "PostScript, PDF and DVI Files"
15:28.09milianhttp://imagebin.ca/view/FyQdZr.html
15:28.11milian?!
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15:28.33Half-Leftoh
15:28.47Half-Lefthmm, so KDE4.2 doesn't have this option then
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15:29.44milianHalf-Left: so you use 4.3 and it works there?
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15:29.49miliangood to hear
15:30.00Half-Leftyep, one sec
15:30.35Half-Leftmilian: http://imagebin.ca/view/EMVy8It.html
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15:30.54milianHalf-Left: thanks
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15:34.37Half-Leftmilian: 4.3 has some nice stuff in there and as you can see especially for Dolphin :)
15:34.47milianit works in kde 4.2 when installing kdegraphics...
15:34.49miliangood to know :)
15:34.59milianHalf-Left: at home I already use it
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15:35.21milianI'm currently at "work", I work as a IT guy at my university. one guy just came buy and complained about kde 4 ;-)
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15:36.31Half-Leftahh ok
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15:37.12Half-LeftJust give them time :)
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15:39.47summelis it possible to "ask" kde if the widgets are locked or not in some way?
15:39.54summelpreferably from inside a plasmoid
15:40.21Half-Leftnope
15:40.26summelwhy not? :O
15:40.38Half-LeftJust right click or click the plasma toolbox
15:40.51Half-Leftit says it's clocked or not
15:40.56Half-Leftlocked*
15:40.57summelbut i want a plasmoid that hides the top corner "cashew" when the widgets are locked
15:41.04summeland only show it when they are unlocked
15:41.17zizzfizzixsummel: better ask on #plasma
15:41.19summel(which should be the default behavior in kde or at least an option imho :P)
15:41.23summelok :)
15:41.55Half-LeftWell it's be discussed, there will be no option
15:42.06summelwhy not? oO
15:42.14summeli thought kde is all about options :P
15:42.32Half-LeftWhy would ask somethign that's infront of your face?
15:42.37summeland the locked/unlocked version of "ihatethecashew" is a better aproach then the current behavior imho :)
15:42.59Half-LeftWell that's not everyones opinion
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15:43.11summeli nearly never use the cashew... but i think it would be logical to make it behave like the one in the panel
15:43.29Half-LeftUse OpenSUSE then
15:43.33summeleww no
15:43.41summeland what does that have to do with it?
15:43.43Half-LeftThey have a containment for that
15:44.32Half-LeftSo you need to program it then :p
15:44.37Half-Leftcode*
15:44.50summelyeah id love to but plasma-python thingy is broken
15:45.17summeland nobody told me! they all said "read the tutorial" but the tutorial did not work and i was like wtf for 2 or 3 days until i figured it out
15:45.20summel>_>
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16:11.22kyron_Q_: wierd problem; when printing from kpdf, even if I select letter, A4 is the paper being "sent to the printer". This only happens from kpdf. Other progs such as firefox/acroread send the correct paper "spec" (implying that cups is ok). anyone has hints as to why kpdf would ignore the setting that is set by default (even in kcontrol)? This is kde/kpdf 3.5.10
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16:12.53ajavidhello
16:13.02ajavidI am using kde 3.5.10 and kftpgrabber on debian lenny
16:13.09ajavidI have made a bookmark and it works fine
16:13.14ajavidI have since forgotten my password
16:13.23ajavidI have no way to retrieving the password
16:13.41ajavidthe only place it is stored is in my kftpgrabber and I don't know if it is possible to get it somehow
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16:15.26ajavidin the exported xml file it has a hashed password
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16:25.10manhlan99i can't install flash plugin
16:25.17manhlan99help me,please
16:25.30Half-LeftAsk your distro channel
16:25.38manhlan99Fedora 11
16:25.51Half-Left#fedora
16:25.55seria-mauare there any kde 4 apps with which i can listen to internet radio streams?
16:26.18troyseria-mau: amarok2
16:26.40seria-mautroy: amarok2 is still in beta, iirc
16:26.48troyseria-mau: no, 2.1 has already been released
16:27.04seria-mautroy: and doesn't it have problems with metadata?
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16:27.36Half-LeftI think you'll find 2.1 is alot better in that respect
16:27.37troybest ask that in #amarok - I only use it for local files and it works fine :)
16:27.42seria-maui recall that it wrote garbage in mp3 metadata (at least in 2.0 or so)
16:28.02summelragon player? kaffaeine? kmplayer? vlc?
16:28.02summel:D
16:28.16Half-Leftvlc yes but that's a Qt app
16:28.19JosieI've seen not problems with amarok 2.1
16:28.23summelqt4 at least :)
16:28.26manhlan99how to join fedora chanel
16:28.28manhlan99:D
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16:29.05seria-maunice. rc2 has landed in debian experimental
16:30.01seria-maunow i can test with distributor packages, too
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16:32.55fixlhi. i'm looking for a program to dock some other applications to my systemtray. i stumbled across kdocker, but as far is i read is for kde3, but i'm looking for a kde4 equivalent. any suggestions?
16:34.48Half-Leftfixl: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Daisy?content=102077
16:36.21mluser-homeAnyone know if there is lirc support in kde 4.2.x yet?
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16:37.31Half-Leftmluser-home: no,  but it's in 4.3
16:37.37mluser-homefixl: take a look at Alltray.. I use it a lot
16:37.42mluser-homeHalf-Left: thank you
16:37.56Half-Leftmluser-home: You mean Remote Controls?
16:38.04mluser-homeHalf-Left: yes
16:38.17Half-LeftYes, there is a option in the systemsetting for 4.3
16:38.19fixlmluser-home: is it working with kde4 ?
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16:38.36mluser-homeHalf-Left: thanks.. I'll wait for it then
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16:39.01mluser-homefixl: It works perfectly with all desktop environments I've tried.. gnome. kde, xfce4.....
16:39.09seria-maudo i need kde 4.3 for amarok 2.1?
16:39.15fixlok. i'll give it a try
16:39.24Half-Leftseria-mau: no
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16:41.08Half-LeftThat Daisy is pretty nice
16:41.20Half-LeftAnd some nice options with it
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16:45.28ScottGHow do I edit what is in the kde menu?
16:45.45seria-mauah, nice. the context view in amarok can now be disabled. finally.
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16:46.23manuliteHi, whenever I click links in kde4 apps, when they open in konqueror, the address is something like /var/tmp/kdecache-.... and all relative links in the document wont work, is there a way round this?
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16:48.44seria-mauunfortunately i can't play anything with amarok, but my sound is working in other kde apps like kopete ...
16:49.12Half-LeftDo you have mp3 support?
16:49.21Half-Leftcodecs?
16:50.25annmaand did you ask your distro about it
16:50.39seria-mauwell, i can play mp3 with totem
16:50.50annmakde version? distro?
16:51.44annmaseria-mau: kde version? distro?
16:52.00Half-Lefttotem is a different app
16:52.18Half-Leftdoesn't use the same sound backend may, so you can compare
16:52.28seria-maudon't beat me: kde 4.2.4 from debian unstable and only amarok i could find is 2.1.1 from experimental *ducks*
16:52.51seria-mauHalf-Left: amarok says gstreamer, so it should play all the things totem plays
16:53.19annmaask other debianers if it works for them
16:53.24Half-LeftYou should use the Xine backend
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16:54.13Half-LeftOr should I say, I recommend it
16:54.20MoDaXseria-mau: aptitude install phonon-backend-gstreamer_ phonon-backend-xine
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16:54.38MoDaXseria-mau: amarok has problems with gstreamer backend in general
16:54.45tuxickdoes kde4 have any scanner frontend
16:54.50tuxick?
16:55.01MoDaXskanlite
16:55.03MoDaXiirc
16:55.03annmayes skanlite or something
16:55.19annmaI remember reviewing it
16:55.20seria-mauMoDaX: ok, thanks. just found the xine backend. wasn't installed
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16:57.16tuxickcheers
16:57.20Half-LeftKolourPaint has one as well
16:57.52ScottGHow do I edit what is in the kde menu?
16:57.53tuxickgood old days when things were called kview, kpdf etc :)
16:58.11seria-mauMoDaX: works now. thanks :)
16:58.20tuxicksadly it can't find any scanner
16:58.36troytuxick: kterm -> konsole, kfm -> konqueror, kwm -> kwin....
16:58.49MoDaXScottG: right click on K menu icon
16:58.49Half-LeftAnd k games :p
16:58.55troyduring the KDE 1->2 transition
16:59.09troysince 3->4 was the next big transition, we added more
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17:01.10ScottGMoDaX: When I right click on it all it shows is "Switch to Kickoff Menu Style", "Application Launcher Menu Settings", and then other generic panel things
17:01.51troyScottG: what KDE version?
17:02.05troyScottG: you could try launching kmenuedit manually
17:02.19MoDaXScottG: there should be "Menu editor" at the top of the menu
17:02.55ScottGtroy: 4.2
17:03.10troyMoDaX: some distros changed things...
17:03.11ScottGMoDaX: There isn't
17:03.24troyhates it when distros move things around
17:03.27MoDaXstupid distros then
17:03.49troyScottG: ALT-F2->kmenuedit
17:04.20Half-Lefttroy: Because they know better
17:04.27MoDaXScottG: what distro are you using?
17:04.41Half-LeftSo they claim anyway
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17:05.01troyHalf-Left: non-transferable skills that way - you become an ubuntu expert or a fedora expert, but not a linux expert
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17:05.03ScottGMoDaX: kde 4.2
17:05.09MoDaXScottG: distribution
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17:05.27MoDaXubuntu, fedora, suse, debian , other
17:05.30Half-Lefttroy: True
17:05.40ScottGMoDaX: Oh sorry gentoo
17:05.44manhlan99quit
17:06.00troyScottG: are you new to linux?
17:06.15MoDaXhmm, gentoo should not be messing with kde in that way
17:06.17ScottGtroy: I've been on it for like 7 months. 1-2 on gentoo
17:06.31ScottGMoDaX: I have the stripped down version of kde
17:06.47troyScottG: you probably don't have the menu editor installed then
17:06.58MoDaXScottG: I guess kmenuedit is not even compiled
17:06.58troyScottG: it's a separate program called kmenuedit
17:07.03MoDaXon your system ;)
17:07.13ScottGtroy: yea
17:07.22ScottGtroy: Let me eix for it
17:07.51troyScottG: well, you're going to learn a lot really quickly if you're using gentoo while still new to linux :)
17:08.28ScottGtroy: Oh I have. I started out with ubuntu and I still think that was a good idea. Breaking in gentoo was a bitch
17:08.41ScottGtroy: Hell, breaking in ubuntu was a bitch when I had really just started
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17:09.00Half-LeftPeople still use Gentoo? :p
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17:09.13ScottGWhat else is there?
17:09.26Half-LeftLots
17:09.34troyHalf-Left: yeah - they're still one of the few source-driven versions out there
17:09.42Half-LeftGentoo fad died down a while back
17:09.59troyHalf-Left: I think the source-based distros fad died down, not the gentoo fad :)
17:10.01smurfsloverScottG: thake a look at distrowatch.com to get an idea of the amount of linux distributions
17:10.18ScottGsmurfslover: yea I have.
17:10.22Half-LeftSlackware is still going strong
17:10.33troyuses slackware on two machines at home
17:10.53ScottGWhat does slackware offer that gentoo doesn't?
17:10.58troyat work I'm stuck with ancient versions of centOS
17:10.59Half-Leftcan't fault gentoo's documentation though
17:11.02troyScottG: binaries :)
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17:11.11ScottGtroy: psh lol
17:11.18Half-LeftTime? :p
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17:12.08troyslackware is a very rudimentary binary linux - the oldest surviving distro; when you learn slackware, you learn transferable skills to all other distros
17:12.49Half-Leftuntil other distros change their service paths
17:13.18troyHalf-Left: huh? well, it uses a bsd style init, if that's what you mean :)
17:13.47Half-Leftrc.d ect...
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17:14.09troyyeah - slackware hasn't changed their init system in a decade :P
17:14.28ScottGtroy: Is the latest version of kmenuedit 3.5?
17:14.41troyScottG: no, probably 4.2.something
17:15.00ScottGtroy: Hm, I have a problem
17:15.02troythe 3.5 version is probably for KDE 3.5
17:15.27troyScottG: it probably ships as part of another package
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17:16.06Half-Lefttroy: I'm not jumping distros anymore. I have Archlinux and it keeps me happy.
17:16.38troyHalf-Left: yeah, I've heard that it keeps a lot of the same people happy that slackware does :)
17:17.04Half-LeftYep
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17:17.49ScottGtroy: Well I think it has something to do with the fact that when I do a emerge -DNu it gets a bunch of 3.5 apps and a --depclean removes them
17:18.33ScottGtroy: Which I think has something to do with the fact that I have the kde-testing overlay
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17:22.48troyScottG: you'd be better off asking these questions in #gentoo at this point :) not many gentoo users around
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17:28.01ScottGtroy: lol yea, just seeing what i could milk out of ya :p
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17:39.55henshawwhich appearance setting changes the colour of the panel
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17:41.29henshawalso I'm on a new installation and am fiddling around with colour schemes to see what best distinguishes active and inactive titlebars. what's the current state of the art?
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17:42.50henshawerr. I guess this is with ozone
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17:44.34henshawactually, what I actually want is to make inactive titlebars easier to see against menubars
17:44.54henshawactually actually
17:47.31Half-Lefthenshaw: Few plasma themes use the KDE colour scheme, Aya Plasma theme does
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17:49.17kdepepohenshaw, you need to use a different window decoration, Oxygen has been designed to give less difference between active/inactive.
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17:49.43annmadantti: what about the screenshot then?
17:50.27kdepepoannma is impatient :)
17:50.29danttiannma: sorry for the delay :P http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3341/notwellreadable.png
17:50.37danttiverry
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17:51.13danttiannma: with darker backgrouds it gets eve worst..
17:51.29annmawhat's that exactly
17:51.47annmafoldervoiew?
17:51.58kdepepowe had that yesterday... my proposal was to look at the wallpaper plugin to see if the text needs to be bright or dark.
17:52.13annmawe?
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17:52.45annmadantti: can you explain
17:52.51kdepepowe, the #kde community :)
17:53.04annmaso is that folfderview?
17:53.22danttiAnarky: yep folder view
17:53.26dantti:/
17:53.30danttiannma: ^
17:53.54annmakdepepo: what when yo have slideshow?
17:54.28danttialso it would be nice for the future to have that + to select icons..
17:54.30annmadantti: is it a slideshow?
17:54.38danttiannma: no
17:54.44danttistatic wallpaper
17:54.44kdepepoannma, then it would update on hover probably ...
17:54.52annmaso why don't you choose a better color for text?
17:55.16annmais it set to black?
17:55.20annmawhat font?
17:55.35danttiannma: hmm well it's defaults settings.. i think it should look well as 4.2 did
17:55.43annmadefaults?
17:55.53annmawhat wallpaper?
17:56.01danttiyep, i didn't changed anything..
17:56.14annmayu changed the wallpaper
17:56.16danttispring sunray
17:56.26annmadefault is Air, where can I get this wallpaper?
17:56.38danttiin 4.2 i changed the wallppaper too and it worked fine..
17:56.46annmaI don't know how you can stand folderview on such a wallpaper
17:56.50danttiannma: i think get wall paper works..
17:56.56kdepepo4.2 had white text as default, I think.
17:57.10danttikdepepo: iirc it was..
17:57.18annmaso set it to white
17:57.32annmais it better?
17:58.08danttiannma: hmmm i know i can set, but it should imo be okay with any wallpaper if i'm with default color & fonts
17:58.38kdepepodefaults can only be okay, if you are also with default wallpaper :)
17:59.05annmadantti: so what color should be default? just tell us which
17:59.26annmahow on earth can defaults be OK with anything
17:59.48danttiannma: imo i don't remember to had a problem with 4.2..
18:00.11annmadantti: then look at kde 4.2 code and issue a but report with your proposal
18:00.38danttihttp://kde.org/announcements/4.2/screenshots/desktop.png
18:00.40kdepepoI guess most have darkish wallpapers, so text default should be white with a dark shadow
18:00.44danttiyep it's white
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18:01.29annmaso is white better for you with all wallpapers on KNS?
18:01.48annmaI can't stand white personally, too tiring
18:02.01annmaand what about the Air bubbles
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18:02.29annmawhite was OK with Oxygen, not with AIr
18:02.31danttiannma: where do i change that? :P i can't find it in colors...
18:02.43Half-Lefttext colour on the plasma themes are determind by the theme
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18:02.53annmain folderview there's a settings to change color fonts
18:03.00danttihmm
18:03.23Half-Lefti.e the plasma artist sets it
18:03.26annmaHalf-Left: yes but they ask that default color is OK for all wallpapers
18:03.50Half-LeftWel that's impossible
18:03.53annmadid you find it dantti
18:04.01danttiyes
18:04.10annmahands the matter to Half-Left :)
18:04.22Half-Left:O
18:04.30annma;) sorry
18:04.34Half-Lefthehe :)
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18:05.28Half-LeftSo the issue is that the font colour for the plasma theme is not idea for your wallpaper?
18:06.04danttiannma: well imo it's better even with air wallpaper, but i still think forderview show be re-think. and a blur back on the text would  make it better
18:06.29annmajust issue a bug report with patch
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18:06.38annmause case and proposal
18:07.01annmaa blur: what about people with bad eyes
18:07.01Half-Left"Blur back on the text"?
18:07.05ajamison5579how do i change the digital clock in KDE4 to display in 12 hour format and not 24 hour format
18:08.20Half-Leftajamison5579: In the systemsetings>Regional & language>Time & Date
18:08.28annmadantti: the color has a setting so YOU can change it to suit your needs
18:08.44Half-LeftYeah, for Folder View
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18:09.22annmaso far it's about folderview
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18:09.51annmadantti: what about other widgets text color?
18:10.48ajamison5579thanks Half-Left that worked
18:11.35ajamison5579can anyone point me to a guide on how to port KDE 3.5 applets code into a KDE4 plasmoid
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18:13.54yt2005is there a way i can have the launcher launch just by pressing the Windows key alone? (Fedora 11, KDE 4.2.4)
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18:15.46troyyt2005: there were patches against KDE 3.x to do this, but I don't know what happened to them shrugs
18:15.52troygah! ksirc autobolding!
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18:17.52ajamison5579Let me re-phrase is is possible to port 3.5 applets into kde4 modifying the code as needed or would a complete re-write be needed
18:18.25Half-LeftYou should ask in #plasma
18:19.04Half-LeftRe-write I'd be guessing since plasma has it's own API
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18:35.14vitalI'm trying to build kde-qt since a few days, but it fails when compiling webkit, anyone know what I might miss, or if this is a known problem? when I do ./configure ---  I dont get any errors.
18:35.59Half-Leftkde-qt?
18:36.08annmayes git qt-copy
18:36.15vitalkde-qt on gitourious
18:36.20annmavital: what configure options do you pass?
18:36.27annmaI built it
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18:37.37danttiannma: soory my boss called me, yes blur at the back of the text, you car read without problems on a transparent task bar thanks to the pannel collor..
18:37.42vitalannma: http://pastebin.ca/1496069   that is the line I pass
18:38.21vitalin that one I had removed    -webkit   but it still fail to compile
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18:38.51vitalmore or less I followed the http://qt.gitorious.org/+kde-developers/qt/kde-qt/blobs/README/README.kde-qt   textfile for compiling the git-version
18:39.24annmaso what errors do you get?
18:39.28annmapastebin
18:40.32annmadantti: what about other applets text color
18:40.39annmaon Air
18:41.38danttiannew: well appart from that i don't think there is any issue.. although the clock could have a white shadow imo
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18:41.50danttiannma: ^^ sorry
18:42.05annmawhite on white?
18:42.12annmaisn't the Air clock white?
18:42.15annmamine is
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18:47.19daggs1hello, I've got a strange problem, I have a java program that is stuck at max window, I was suggested it is a kde issue, anyone has any idea how to verify it?
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18:48.12henshawcan I only change the desktop theme from the desktop? can't find anything in system settings
18:49.22thiago_homefrom the desktop
18:49.29kdepepohenshaw, yep, a bug report is filed.
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18:49.53vitalannma: http://pastebin.ca/1496083 that is the errors I get when compiling kde-qt
18:51.10thiago_homevital: which branch?
18:51.12annmait's about phonon
18:51.13thiago_home4.5.2-patched?
18:51.21annmanot webkit
18:51.27annmakde-qt
18:51.38vitalthiago_home:   git clone git://gitorious.org/+kde-developers/qt/kde-qt.git    is the one I checked out
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18:52.21vitalphonon.. I still no Idea what might be missing :)
18:52.25Half-LeftYeah, you're not using -no-phonon in your line
18:52.36Half-LeftSeems to be the issue anyway
18:52.47vitalHalf-Left, okay, I'll add that, and make a new try.. thanks
18:53.03annmaHalf-Left: kde-qt recommands to build Qt phonon
18:53.09annmait's not related to that
18:53.15annmaI built it
18:53.26Half-Leftahh
18:53.29thiago_homevital: I know what this is
18:53.32thiago_homeI forgot to backport one fix
18:53.34thiago_home71be46c61c582d2f4635a1e420e44d57ddb5857a
18:53.39thiago_homedoing that now, gimme a sec
18:53.45vital:)
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18:54.02Half-Lefthasn't built kde-qt, only old svn qt
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18:54.41annmawhy is it released-shared
18:54.59annmadon't yu build with debug?
18:55.21thiago_homecan't push... server isn't accepting pushes
18:55.38thiago_homevital: try applying this patch: http://pastebin.ca/1496089
18:55.42vitalI was building it as release yes, I will make a debugversion for my stationary with more harddisk.
18:55.46vitalthiago_home, okay
18:57.06thiago_homevital: just run: git pasteapply 1496089
18:57.21thiago_homehere's the git-pasteapply if you don't have it already: http://pastebin.ca/1393894
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18:59.05vitalthiago, I have to install some more perl stuff I guess :)
18:59.38Zoraelwants an asciiquarium port for windows
18:59.55thiago_homeyes, WWW::Mechanize
19:00.16thiago_hometakes 10 seconds to install or so
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19:03.28vitalthiago_home: http://pastebin.ca/1496095 I seem to have old stuff installed..
19:04.33vitalok, building again :)
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19:19.09popplercmake is a bliss!
19:20.06danttiannma: mine is black and it's set to use theme color...
19:20.22annmawhat desktop theme do you use then
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19:20.46annmatry Air and look what white fonts look like on it
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19:21.14danttiannma: it's air..
19:22.13vitalthiago_home, thanks for the help, kde-qt builds correct now!
19:22.16danttiannma: oxygem it's white
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19:23.43annmahttp://imagebin.ca/view/uXVAYt4z.html
19:23.46annmamy clock
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19:24.23HobbyBlobbyi have the same
19:25.07annma:) I started to wonder what I did
19:25.13danttiannma: not that one... :P the digital one.. :P
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19:25.31danttithought i really like that train clock from before 4.0
19:25.34annmadantti: anyway, on this one, would white color be good?
19:26.00annmawould white text color be good on any Air desktop applets?
19:26.00danttiannma: sure not..
19:26.04annmasee
19:26.34annmaAir is clear background and has a darker font
19:26.51annmaOxygen is dark background and has white fonts
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19:27.11danttiok, so i think the white shadow on  folder view should be "larger" bigger..
19:27.27annmathewhite shadow on what theme
19:27.36annmaswitched to Oxygen
19:27.45danttiyep..
19:27.54tuxickthat might increase your life expectancy
19:28.09annmaissue abug report against the theme and add a mockup
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19:28.17danttii really like air but i have pictures of my wife for example that have a dark background
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19:28.37danttii don't want to use oxygem.. just becaouse of that...
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19:28.59danttiannew: ok
19:29.05dantticrap..
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19:29.29danttiannma: why your nick is so hard from tab to find :P
19:29.34dantti*for
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19:34.43Half-Leftdantti: What exactly is the problem, the text no clear with the theme?
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19:36.25danttiHalf-Left: i find it hard to read...
19:36.46Half-LeftWhich version do you have, RC2?
19:36.55danttithe text it's too thin and it mixes with the wallpaper..
19:36.59danttirc2
19:37.37MoDaXdantti: konvi tab-completes by activity as well
19:37.40annmain folderview only
19:37.58Half-LeftDepends yes, Air will have issues with some wallpapers
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19:38.17danttiMoDaX: konvi is a irc client? i use kvirc..
19:38.42MoDaXoh well, annma mentioned konvi previously ;)
19:39.04annmayup, dear konvi
19:39.21danttiMoDaX: yep, actually i didn't understood that :P not an english speaker i thought it was some joke..
19:39.40MoDaXkonvi = konversation
19:39.46danttiah :P
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19:41.03danttii used that one in kde3 but dunno kvirc seemed better imo..
19:43.12MoDaXwell, I remember trying it once but I didn't like its MDI interface
19:43.26danttimdi?
19:43.53danttiyes looking at it again remembers one of the first issues, tabs for channels..
19:44.05MoDaXmultiple windows (documents) in window
19:44.45danttiwell dunno i like kvirc and it fits better on widescreen i think
19:45.24MoDaXI can't comment on current state, it was _really_ long ago
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19:58.29yurikoleswtf?
19:58.47yurikoleskrusader is closed
19:59.09thiago_homekill it
19:59.29yurikolesthx, cap
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20:00.42somekoolhow do I open System Settings as root ?
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20:02.45Half-Leftkdesu
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20:11.48somekoolHalf-Left: thanks
20:12.11somekooli wish there was this checkbox in the krunner like in 3.5
20:12.17somekoolrun as a different user, etc.
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20:12.25somekoolopen in a terminal option too
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20:13.38slava_dphi guys. i'm havind trouble finding the key combination to bring down all of the windows. in another os it defaults to Ctrl+D. anyone?
20:13.57Half-Leftsomekool: Maybe when policykit integration comes
20:14.04slava_dpnot Ctrl+D, Win+D.
20:14.38somekoolwin+d for desktop ? i set it to F11 like in OSX
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20:14.56somekoolyou can configuere key shortcut as you wish under kde
20:15.14slava_dpF11 makes firefox fullscreen :-)
20:15.15somekoolHalf-Left: in kde 4.3 ? that should be interesting ....
20:15.29Half-Left4.4
20:15.53slava_dpi haven't found where to configure this behaviour though....
20:16.12Half-Left4.3 just has the start of it
20:16.16somekoolany workign desktop searhc solution for kde 4.2 ?
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20:17.56Half-LeftSort of but it's better in 4.3 since dolphin has a search bar now
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20:20.20somekooli think ruby bindings are still missing in 4.3 so I cannot upgrade just yet
20:20.26somekoolbut I have to try rc2
20:20.47Half-Leftsomekool: nepomuk/Strigi from KRunner in 4.2, it's more exposed in 4.3 via Dolphin
20:22.04somekoolstrigi is the backend, nepomuk is the kde wrapper ?
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20:22.49Half-Leftnepomuk is for file tagging
20:23.08Half-LeftStrigi does the indexing
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20:29.27somekooli see !
20:29.37somekoolim building my strigi index now
20:29.52somekoolnepomuk tagging will be available in dolphin after ?
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20:30.40Half-LeftWell in 4.2 it's searchable via Krunner only
20:31.10Half-Left4.3 Dolphin has a nice search bar for that
20:31.13somekoolfor searching, krunner is perfect. but how do I tag a file ?
20:31.27Half-LeftTag from Dolphin info bar yes
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20:34.29somekoolhmm, i must need to enable something ....
20:36.14Half-LeftThe seasame2 backend is best, a lot faster
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20:44.22MercurialAlchemispeaking of search
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20:45.07TLFhello
20:45.30TLFI am using GNOME, and for some reason, when I try to save from kolourpaint, for example, save dialog does not open
20:45.36TLFwhere can I look for a solution?
20:45.38MercurialAlchemiI get a 'strigi service failed to initialize' without anything in .xsession-errors to tell me why
20:45.41MercurialAlchemiwith 4.3
20:48.15somekoolTLF: very weird. i dont think gnome is related at all
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20:48.21somekoolneither is kde
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20:48.23somekoolcode 18 ?
20:48.33TLFyeah, that is why I'm asking for help :)
20:49.18TLFsave or save as does not says anything on terminal, nor GDB
20:49.27TLFit simply does not open
20:49.33DanielWMercurialAlchemi: where  do you get that from?
20:49.52TLFinterestingly, on konqueror it works
20:49.53MercurialAlchemiDanielW: when switching strigi on in system settings
20:50.09somekoolkolourpaint is Qt3 or Qt4 version ?
20:50.17DanielWMercurialAlchemi: do you use the sesame2 backend?
20:50.39MercurialAlchemiDanielW: how would I check that?
20:50.48DanielWMercurialAlchemi: qdbus org.kde.NepomukStorage /nepomukstorage usedSopranoBackend
20:51.14MercurialAlchemi'redland'
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20:51.25MercurialAlchemiso that would be a 'no'
20:51.47DanielWok than there  you have the problem..   redland is so slow that well nepomuk itself is more or less useless
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20:52.01DanielWbut i think you should get a better error message ...
20:52.40DanielWMercurialAlchemi: look if there is an extra package for soprano sesame2 or something  for your distribution
20:52.41MercurialAlchemiDanielW: yeah, I'd expected to at least got something in the logs
20:53.35DanielWif you use gentoo you need to enable the java use flag (as far as i know, not using gentoo).
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20:54.09MercurialAlchemiDanielW: Debian here, and no, looks like I'm out of luck
20:54.21MercurialAlchemiDanielW: at the same time, not all of kde 4.3 is in experimental yet
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20:54.28DanielWand i will look into the better message thing tomorrow
20:54.47MercurialAlchemiDanielW: sounds good, thanks
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20:56.02sergiodjhi guys, I'm using kmail and I'd like to know if there's a way to make a thread becomes the first message in the list whenever I receive a new message for it
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20:56.16DanielWMercurialAlchemi: i am not sure if debian package the sesame2 backend at all.   there are this source packages issues it should be hard to package
20:57.19MercurialAlchemiDanielW: it does not appear to be the case for now, the only thing an 'apt-cache search sesame' reveals is python-sesame
20:57.27DanielWsergiodj: you can
20:57.59sergiodjDanielW:  cool, can you tell me how or point me to some doc where I can find how to do it?
20:58.01DanielWsergiodj: when you are in the list view click on "change sort order"
20:58.10sergiodjlet me try
20:58.21DanielWand then "order by most recent messaage in group"
20:58.58sergiodjDanielW:  great!!  that solved the problem, thank you very much :)
20:59.15DanielWsergiodj: the problem is, nepomuk is so slow and quite a lot of things don't work correct with redland backend
20:59.58sergiodjDanielW:  I'm sorry, but what is nepomuk?
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21:01.10DanielWsergiodj: oh that is the problem with the "new" name of the kcm module.
21:01.42sergiodjDanielW:  so you mean that this kind of sorting won't work correctly?
21:02.11DanielWsergiodj: nepomuk aims to provide something called semantiv desktop. in the real world it shared rating and tagging in dolphin and gwenview  and desktop serach (but only via kio slave or krunner)
21:02.18DanielWoh sorry
21:02.23DanielWi meant MercurialAlchemi
21:02.28sergiodjhaha
21:02.31DanielWhehe has nothing to do with kmail at the moment
21:02.33sergiodjDanielW:  that's ok :)
21:02.54sergiodjyeah, I was noticing that kmail had nothing to do
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21:03.43MercurialAlchemiDanielW: I am aware
21:04.29MercurialAlchemiDanielW: not that nepomuk itself seems to be really working... tagging work, but searching doesn't
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21:05.21DanielWMercurialAlchemi: searching with krunner ? or the dolphin search thing?
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21:05.32DanielWthat is working.  but you really need sesame2 for that
21:05.39MercurialAlchemiDanielW: with krunner
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21:05.57MercurialAlchemiDanielW: oh, I thought sesame2 was for strigi only
21:06.33DanielWwell.  with redland also tagging and rating is very slow.
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21:07.13DanielWsearch could work if you only use the lucene index or some types of sparql queries.  in real world the query serivce doesn'T really work
21:07.15MercurialAlchemiDanielW: one might hope that 'slow' is still 'less than 24 hours'
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21:07.46DanielWbut i think just searching for literals should work.   never tried it..
21:08.07DanielWwhen  you give a file a comment you may  be able to find it with krunner (enable the nepomuk plugin)
21:08.23DanielWbut that all is imho pretty pointless with redland
21:08.57DanielWi think we should disable nepomuk at all with only redland.   the way it is now it gives a really bad experience for the users..
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21:10.09MercurialAlchemiside question
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21:10.30MercurialAlchemiwould you know of an utility which would tell me why xorg is currently gobbling up CPU for no good reason?
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21:10.39watermindwhat is the new 'social applet' in kde 4.3
21:10.43watermindcannot find it anywhere
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21:10.51SnYDerhello
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21:12.15SnYDerI cannot start kde on my machine; it looks like there is a problem with 'ksmserver' which - for some reason - crashes
21:12.25SnYDerin syslog I can see the following message:
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21:12.34DanielWwatermind: it is called opendesktop
21:12.51SnYDerJul 15 23:06:33 jd kernel: [  283.820518] ksmserver[4273]: segfault at 0 ip 00000000 sp bfa143e8 error 4 in ksmserver[8048000+1000]
21:13.17SnYDercore is dumped to ~/core
21:13.18DanielWSnYDer: own build? distro build?
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21:14.29SnYDerDanielW: disto: Debian ; but it was working fine and then, after no upgrade - it stopped; there was a few power outages in the meantime so I assume one of the file got corrupted, but I have no clue how to find it...
21:15.05watermindDanielW: thanks
21:15.13SnYDereven if I just run ksmserver straight from the prompt, I just get segmentation fault
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21:15.33DanielWSnYDer: mhh that is a debian questions.  i mean apt tracks what files it installed.  maybe it can find out which are changes
21:15.33watermindDanielW: hmm neds a login
21:15.43DanielWif not it can at least reinstall all of them?
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21:15.54DanielWwatermind: yes. there is a link where you can register if you want
21:16.19DanielWbut: it is pretty useless at the moment imho. ok sure it is nice to see a list of users nearby somehow but you can not really do anything with it.  but try it
21:16.34SnYDerDanielW: I already removed all the kde* packages, xorg packages, qt packages and reinstalled from the beginning - no success
21:16.51MercurialAlchemiSnYDer: you can try apt-get --reinstall install <package> if you think you know which one is buggered
21:17.33SnYDerDanielW: is there any way to see the process of KDE startup / turn off the pretty splash-boot-screen ?
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21:18.02SnYDerduring the booting process, several icons should show up one afted the other
21:18.19SnYDerin my case, only the first one appears and then KDE dies
21:18.41DanielWwell if ksmserver crashes that will be the problem
21:19.14DanielWand i don't really thnk it is a kde bug.   is there someting like apt-get reinstall everything installed?
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21:20.47wwalkeris there any way to turn off the "dock" at the bottom of the screen for just one of the workspaces?  for all workspaces?
21:21.14DanielWwwalker: you mean the panel?
21:21.15SnYDerDanielW: well, I created an 'evil' for loop ;) and I think I already reinstalled all the packages, but the problem is still there... the other possibility is faulted memory (I started thinking of it because of segmentation fault errors), but why everything else is working besides kde? o_O
21:21.32wwalkerDanielW: Yes
21:21.40DanielWSnYDer: tried to log in as a different user?
21:22.04DanielWand you also restarted your system?
21:22.04SnYDerDanielW: yes, the same thing
21:22.11SnYDeryep
21:22.43SnYDercan you guys recommend any tool to look insinde the mentioned 'core' file (besides gdb) ?
21:22.44DanielWmhh. ok not sure. in theory it could also be a kde bug. but if it used to work and it even happens with an empty config..
21:23.03SnYDerI mean - something dedicated to track kde issues
21:23.25DanielWi am not sure if that exists.  what you could do ist run ksmserver from gdb
21:23.57DanielWand try to get a backtrace from the crash
21:25.46drvoodoohi all, how can i check if the radeon driver (xserver-xorg-video-ati) is really used on by thinkpad?
21:25.46DanielWdrvoodoo: take a  look in the xorg log?
21:25.55DanielWbut no kde question
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21:27.56drvoodooyes, i know, i wanted to post it in the kubuntu channel, not here
21:29.01blineanyone know why the network monitor applet wouldn't show any interfaces?
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21:29.09SnYDerDanielW: ok, I will go that way, I also don't believe that this is KDE bug - it was working and just stopped, and I didn't upgrade anything in the meantime; so the problem is definietely on my machine
21:29.10watermindDanielW: no users nearby
21:29.16watermindDanielW: even with dist at max
21:29.18watermindeh :S
21:29.50SnYDerDanielW: thank you
21:30.19DanielWwatermind: weird.  did you set your location?
21:30.36DanielWi (in germany) always have a lot of near by users (mostly german some in nl)
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21:36.00EvilGuruCould anyone tell me where in the kde svn repo I should be looking for the plasma widgets?
21:37.13Half-LeftWhat plasma widgets?
21:37.34Half-Leftkdeplasma-addons?
21:38.15DanielWwell they are in kdebase/workspace  (the core ones)  others in kdeplasma-addons
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21:38.24DanielWand then some in playground/base/plasma
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21:39.32Half-LeftPlayground ones if you like to play with explosives
21:39.50EvilGuruDanielW: Ah, I found the addons ones, but not the others, thanks
21:40.06watermindDanielW: yes
21:40.10watermindDanielW: Edinburgh UK
21:40.30watermindand looked up coordinates
21:41.08EvilGuruI am currently looking for a replacement for kima and none of the built-in widgets provide the functionality
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21:41.19EvilGurusome am deciding if it is best to ehance them or write my own
21:41.34DanielWi don't know kima
21:41.54DanielWhave you looked at the GHNS applets or the c++ based one on kde-looks.org?
21:42.21watermindDanielW: it also shows no info about me
21:42.44watermindDanielW: even though I did set some info on my profile when registering
21:42.57watermindDanielW: shouldn't it at least show my name or something
21:43.12EvilGuruDanielW: Yes, however none seem to have the same intersection of features
21:44.42DanielWwatermind: it should.  but i have the same problem it only sometimes really logs in und shows me and near by users
21:45.02DanielWwatermind: look on bugs.kde.org if it is reported if not.. well report it.
21:45.04watermindDanielW: I removed and added it again and now shows info
21:45.14DanielWyeah..
21:45.16EvilGuruThe current applets seem to be based around ksysguard
21:45.22watermindDanielW: but no nearby still
21:45.49DanielWwatermind: maybe someone in #plasma can help
21:45.58watermindDanielW: thanks
21:46.18DanielWEvilGuru: they seem to use the plasma the ksysguard based dataenge for that
21:46.32EvilGuruYeah
21:46.42DanielWEvilGuru: plasmaengineexplorer  if you do not know that already
21:46.56EvilGuruhas just been poking around the source and traced the includes
21:48.06EvilGuruOne of the data-end features missing is support for nvidia GPUs, which via the x module can provide temperatue read-outs
21:49.07EvilGuruThat and the lm_sensor interface doesn't name sensors too well, when compared to the sensors command line app
21:50.01DanielWfix it *G*
21:52.13EvilGuruThe current maintainer seems to be johnflux, who often lurks in ##physics, so I'll ask about it
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22:34.09B-ManI am running KDE 4.2.4 and having some issues with Konqueror and a couple websites.  I have tried to change browser identification, checked my java issue and several other things with no luck.  The website is usaa.com... anyone familiar with this by chance?
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22:39.33pherthylhi, is there some way to track down why removable storage is not showing up in dolphin?
22:39.50pherthylit worked in 4.2.4, but not after I upgraded to 4.3rc2 (debian)
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22:55.31smiley`hi, I can't find any dialogue where I could import certificate authority... am I blind? :)
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23:33.13kc8hfi_the kickoff menu is gone.  whats the name of the app to start it back up?
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23:36.46kc8hfi_never mind, figured it out
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23:51.20venky80i have created a brainstorm idea for krunner please vote if you like http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=62447&p=82921#p82921
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