IRC log for #kde on 20090814

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00:06.02kisistenhi, kde has a window called "software updates" in kubuntu. When I click to apply updates, it displays the updates available and performs package scan. When I hit "Apply updates" it freezes up
00:06.41TV-VCR_How do I select more than one master channel in Kmix?
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00:06.54daemoenhey guys
00:06.55TV-VCR_I need both DAC and DAC 2 to be
00:07.02daemoenanyone know when libmapi support will be available in kmail?
00:07.53lemmakisisten: that window is not part of KDE but it's added by Kubuntu. you'll have to ask them for help on it.
00:08.14kisistenlemma: i just did, thanks
00:08.36lemmadaemoen: the current problem seems to be rather libmapi and its dependency on samba4 alphas. I just tried running libmapi tools recently and couldn't get them to work
00:08.37TV-VCR_Is it even possible?
00:08.45TV-VCR_I mean there has to be a way
00:09.08lemmaTV-VCR_: afaik only one master channel is supported
00:09.24TV-VCR_Gaaaah
00:09.27lemmadaemoen: that's also one of the reasons noone really knows what the state of the akonadi resource is
00:09.28daemoenlemma: .... interesting.... since Evolution is able to tie in with libmapi just fine, i wouldnt have expected kmail to be lagging far behind
00:09.40TV-VCR_Is there any sort of work around?
00:09.48TV-VCR_Like a way to tie DAC to DAC 2 ?
00:09.51lemmaTV-VCR_: maybe another mixer can do it.
00:10.04TV-VCR_I wouldn't know which other one could do it
00:10.24TV-VCR_But is there any way to tie one channel to another, so that when you adjust one it adjusts the other?
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00:10.58lemmadaemoen: well, maybe libmapi just fails for me :-) after all I wasn't using the version of samba4 they suggest
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00:18.33TV-VCR_Is there any way to tie one channel to another, so that when you adjust one it adjusts the other?
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00:40.26Dhraakellianwonders if there's anything like kdirstat or filelight for memory usage
00:42.24lemmaDhraakellian: you mean apart from kdirstat or filelight? or for kde4?
00:42.32lemmabumps his head against the wall
00:42.38lemmaDhraakellian: sorry, didn't read properly :)
00:42.46Dhraakellianfor *memory* usage, not disk—yeah
00:43.16lemmaDhraakellian: memory usage seems to be something not many tools (if any) get right nowadays: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4040
00:44.04Dhraakellianthink I've read that one before
00:44.18lemmaprobably, it's from monday
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00:52.38Sho_Dhraakellian: smem, http://lwn.net/Articles/329458/
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01:25.34ANDRADEhello
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01:27.22kub1"kdebase" is not installed on my recently installed KU 904 with todays apt-update.  Shouldn't it be??? - I got no reply in #KUbuntu, anyone here know the answer?
01:29.57Pliskin_do you mean the meta-package ?
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01:31.35kub1Pliskin_: ?
01:32.18kub1Pliskin_: i just saw there was such a package, & it seemed to be about the most basic sounding name package that ought at first thought to be installed,
01:32.31kub1it shows:
01:32.37kub1apt-get -s install kdebase shows: The following new packages will be installed: kappfinder kdebase kwrite
01:32.45Pliskin_kub1 : go to kubuntu channel
01:32.47kub1Pliskin_: ideas?
01:32.48Pliskin_I answered there
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01:43.00kub1Hi all, - Pliskin told me in #kubuntu that kdebase is essentially unimportant things. He said the naming & incluson in kdebase was a kde, not KU isslu. Proper naming matters, & if its true that kdebase includes only insignificant stuff, shouldnt that package be renamed for some kind of "optional" name, or eliminated entirely, leaving just the aps now included in kdebase as stand alone aps?
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01:46.09Aluminanybody else have trouble configuring widgets to run on top of the screensaver?  KDE 4.2.2, when I go into setup mode nothing responds to the mouse
01:46.21AluminI tried disabling compositing, but that didn't help
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01:53.04kub1Anyone know when KU904 will get the functionality like in adept, the gui apt mgr in KU 804? ie, something better than KPackageKit?
01:53.29kub1More info about what KPK lacks:  Dragnslcr: well, just about all the functionality in Adept is lacking in KPK - KPK has almost nothing Adept has - searching, aspects of packages, package categories & groupings, ... - so, any idea when KU/KDE4 will have that functionality - or should i ask on #kde??
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02:13.40allquixoticHello! Is there any way to disable Kopete's status notifications in KDE 4.3? I already tried unchecking everything in Settings -> Configure Notifications but I still get tons of them for when people are online.
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03:24.15druggyin which file *kdevelop3.5* stores its color schemes?
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03:57.59mizerydeariaWhat package provides the kicker menu style?  Somehow my menu appears buggily and I'd like to fix it.
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04:28.54TrentonAdamsHey guys.  How do I change how much my media keys adjust the volume when I push them?
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05:43.27intellionGood time of day to everybody! Need some help with KDE and HAL/D-BUS
05:43.53intellionit seems that KDE is not recognizing my laptop battery, CPUs, sound - nothing!
05:44.20intellionlshal shows that battery, cpus, sound card,etc is present in the HAL database
05:44.48intellionI'm on Gentoo
05:44.52intellionrunning KDE 4.3
05:45.04intellionbut this problem appeared on 4.2.x too
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05:45.24intelliontried re-emerging d-bus, hal, kde - nothing
05:46.12intellionI've run out of ideas.. not sure where to look
05:47.24intellionPower Management section in KDE System Settings shows Number of CPUs: 0 Number of batteries: 0
05:47.36intellionin system capabilities
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05:50.53intellionHow can it be possible that Power Devil doesn't detect any CPUs? Not saying it doesn't detect any battery on my laptop
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06:43.33drgonzoHello all
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07:30.06PiousMinionWould it be recommended to run a full kde 4.3 install on a  system with a Celeron M 360 1.4ghz with 1gb of ram?  I've used much leaner desktops in the past and I'm not sure how this machine will handle it.
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07:37.23PiousMinionDon't everyone speak up at once. :P
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07:41.08MaNIprobably depends a lot on your graphics card
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07:43.15nilsson_awayas long as you use a minimal installatian, you should be fine
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07:48.46dreamtheaterHow can I deactivate the tooltips in the task panel (kde 4.3)?
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08:02.37d34df00dHi!
08:02.57d34df00dI'm on Gentoo ~amd64 and KDE 4.3 and experience some troubles with KDE's Phonon (4.4 pre).
08:03.15d34df00dIt doesn't see "standard" audio output of my HD Audio sound card, only the HDMI one.
08:03.21d34df00dConsequently, sound doesn't play.
08:03.31d34df00dAny additional info you need?
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08:16.11mardi_soirbonjour
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08:22.38shadeslayerhi,how do i change my xine backend to gstreamer in order to get the mini player widget to work
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08:25.04mardi_soirHello, i d like to be able to launch multiple instance of kate .. hwo can i do this ( a use session profile ) i can' t use tow different profile at same time  here can i fix this ?
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08:28.14mardi_soirhow
08:28.56Sho_mardi_soir: System Settings -> Multimedia -> Backend for the phonon thing
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08:29.58mardi_soirSho_, shadeslayer ^ :)
08:30.25Sho_mardi_soir: ?
08:30.31shadeslayerSho_: theres only one backend,i need to change the backend from xine to gstreamer
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08:31.06Sho_shadeslayer: well then you don't have the gstreamer backend installed
08:31.21shadeslayerSho_: how do i install it,thats my question
08:31.31Sho_shadeslayer: ask #yourdistro what package it is in
08:31.48shadeslayerhmm
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09:00.36dreamtheaterIs there a shortcut to show the desktop in kde 4.3? or was the dektop as known in kde 3.5 replaced by the plasma dashboard?
09:01.31MaNIyou can add a "show the desktop" icon to the panel
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09:03.16mardi_soiri d like to be able to run two different instance of kate, where can i set this ?
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09:13.57dreamtheaterMaNI: Thank you!
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09:16.14dreamtheaterI just can't find where to set the color for panels - where can I do this?
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09:23.30Rehto-dreamtheater: I guess you really can't
09:23.34shadeslayerhow do i set widgets to remain on one desktop?
09:25.35Rehto-you can chase the desktop theme and that changes how the panels look but that's about it
09:25.38Rehto-*change
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09:30.33p-fis there a way to automagically make --graphicssystem=raster the default for all applications?
09:30.50dreamtheaterRehto-: What a pity!
09:30.54pinotreep-f: #qt
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09:32.54shadeslayerhi,i need 4 desktops,with 4 wallpapers,and different widgets on each of them,how do i accomplish this?
09:33.47Rehtoshadeslayer: click on the cashew, zoom out, configure plasma, tick the two options there and start configuring :)
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09:34.22Rehtoit was really slow and buggy for me so I'll wait for 4.3.1 and friends
09:34.26shadeslayerRehto: ok i have 5 activities
09:34.45Rehtothat's a bug I guess
09:35.03shadeslayerRehto: i need to delete a activity,but theres no delete sign :(
09:35.04Rehtohaven't really looked that much into it after that
09:35.36shadeslayerhmm
09:35.53Rehtodunno if it's a feature or a bug but you have to untick those options in 'configure plasma' to be able to delete an activity
09:36.17Rehtoand those buttons go all over the place
09:36.31Rehtoat least they did for me
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09:37.43shadeslayerhmm
09:38.07shadeslayeroh never mind i figured it out
09:38.46Rehtookay
09:39.17shadeslayerits a bug.... the first time it doesnt show any buttons,but it shows them after you zoom in and the zoom out
09:39.35Rehtoplasma-desktop used to crash constantly when I had the activites configured the way I liked
09:39.40Rehtoso I gave up
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09:39.44shadeslayerhehe
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09:56.11Finswimmer1Hello, I have in my system tray to notifications about Kopete for days...How can I remove them? (Clicking on "view" or "ignore" does not help)
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09:57.56alexexFinswimmer1: press alt+f2; enter: killall plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop
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10:00.38Finswimmer1alexex: Hmm. Is this not a bit oversized?
10:00.52alexexi didnt find any other way :)
10:02.09Finswimmer1alexex: Hm. Ok. Maybe there will be a "clear all notifications" sometime...
10:02.12Finswimmer1Thank you
10:02.24alexexi hope so
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10:33.35shadeslayerhey,anyone who has a very good concept of activities?
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10:36.56tarasis lenny's qt4.4.3 ok for compiling kde4.3.0? or I need qt4.5?
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10:39.44tarasand cmake 2.6.0?
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10:42.55pinotreetaras: you need qt >= 4.5.0 and cmake >= 2.6.2
10:44.37tarasis this page what I need to read http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 ? or that for trunk only
10:44.40taras?
10:46.16Torchtaras: that's what you need. it even has a section on stable.
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10:53.19Mamarokare there any plans to port Quanta+ to KDE4?
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10:58.03neverendingoMamarok: first question would be how far kdevplatform has got, as new quanta is based on it
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10:58.33lemmaMamarok: I have not heard about any plans to ditch it. but development seems to be slow currently.
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11:02.31suitIs there any way to disable the hideous, giant popup that indicates if I'm on Desktop 1 or 2 in the middle of the screen upon switching desktops?
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11:51.49madrazrHello everyone, can any one tell me how to set a key board shortcut to konsole? :(
11:52.01madrazrI am using KDE 4.3 on Kubuntu Jaunty
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11:59.45Mamarokneverendingo, lemma: thanks, I was just worried as the developement seems to have slowed down heavily, if you check the website
12:00.46neverendingoMamarok: unfortunately, yes.
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12:01.56Mamarokwell, one can still use the 3.5 version, but...
12:02.17lemmamadrazr: what are you trying to do? set a keyboard shortcut that works INSIDE konsole or create one to launch it?
12:02.23jamesbond-4711madrazr: what do you mean by "set a key board shortcut to konsole"?
12:02.30jamesbond-4711an alias?
12:02.49madrazrlemma: the latter
12:02.54madrazrcreate one to launch konsole
12:03.00madrazrjamesbond-4711: ^
12:03.33jamesbond-4711madrazr: ic - I've never done that :-)
12:03.45madrazrjamesbond-4711: ?
12:04.01madrazrjamesbond-4711: how to do fire up the konsole usually?
12:05.01jamesbond-4711madrazr: I have permanently open 7 konsole tabs that I do never close
12:05.17madrazrjamesbond-4711: he he he :D
12:05.21Moultwhen i try to reply to a message in kmail which has an attachment, it says "transffering the message", how do i prevent this?
12:05.21madrazrthats crazy :P
12:05.29jamesbond-4711when I reboot the system they got launched automatically again
12:05.44jamesbond-4711so I don't have the need to open a konsole
12:05.45lemmamadrazr: you should be able to do something with the input actions settings in systemsettings
12:06.02madrazrlemma: Ok I will try now
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12:07.09madrazrlemma: awesome!!!
12:07.10madrazrdone
12:07.12madrazrthanks a lot
12:07.19lemmayw
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12:14.48piksiwhat is the ETA for kde 4.4 and is it supposed to be a bugfix release or bring new implementations?
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12:15.54alexexwtf is going on with wlm in the 4.3 kopete?
12:16.27lemmapiksi: major releases (4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3) always bring both. minor releases (4.3.1, 4.3.2, 4.3.3...) bring only fixes
12:16.36lemmapiksi: eta for 4.4 is around half a year I'd say
12:17.05piksithanks
12:17.21alexexits crashing my kopete all the time
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12:36.18Moultwhen i try to reply to a message in kmail which has an attachment, it says "transffering the message", how do i prevent this?
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13:13.39M0Eguys does kdewebdev-4.3.0 still need the find-libtidy patch?
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13:16.54EugenAhi, how can i sync kontact on two pcs?
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13:22.56pinotreepaul23: please stop doing in and out
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13:23.12pinotreepaul23: please stop doing in and out
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13:23.21pinotreepaul23: please stop doing in and out
13:23.32pinotreeat last
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13:45.20miasmaI wonder what's missing. every time I start kmail, it starts migrating the settings and complains that I don't have qtmysql, but instead it thinks I have qtmysql3 or something like that
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13:51.54rdietermiasma: that's likely akonadi trying to migrate things, and it seems to be failing... so it keeps re-trying
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13:52.45rdieterand yes, akonadi does really require qtmysql (ie, your install of qt with mysql support)
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14:00.03cibaerhi, is there the possibility to configure qt/kde, that every kde4/qt4-application is started with graphicssystem=raster?
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14:01.03xxtjaxxcibaer: yes but you might need to go pretty deep into your system for this I wouldnt say that you really should do that
14:01.08miasmardieter: apparently my set of packages didn't include mysql support then
14:03.51cibaerbut without that option, programs are unsable for me
14:04.05cibaerscrolling is very slow in the other case
14:04.29cibaerno config-file for this?
14:04.37cibaerhave to go into source-code?
14:04.51xxtjaxxcibaer: the best would be you query google for this
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14:05.23miasmardieter: I have libqt4-sql-mysql installed though. not sure what's missing. I can't find more relevant packages
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14:06.22rdietermiasma: mysql server is required too, but it's starting to sound like an issue you should take up with your distro (or whoever provided the packages you're using)
14:07.02rdietermiasma: see also http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#Which_DBMS_does_Akonadi_use.3F
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14:09.35factordoes anyone know if openoffice has a DCOP interface
14:10.03pinotreefactor: you should ask in an openoffice.org channel
14:10.12factordone did
14:10.16xxtjaxxfactor doe it need one when you mostly run dbus instead of dcop?
14:10.33factordoes anyone know of a generic mouse DCOP interface
14:10.44factorwhich is easier
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14:10.51factorI just want something that works
14:10.58factorDCOP DBUS either one
14:11.00pinotree"mouse dcop interface" makes no sense
14:11.08pinotreewhat do you really want to do?
14:11.24factorrun open office with a remote control
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14:11.51pinotreeagain question for an openoffice channel
14:12.01factordho
14:12.15factoranyone know of a DCOP commands for running the mouse
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14:12.29pinotreeagain, nonsense.
14:12.39factordcop mouse interface leftbutton
14:12.42factorsometing like that
14:12.46pinotreeDCOP is an inter-process channel, not a generic scripting stuff.
14:12.48xxtjaxxfactor If you are thinking of controlling your slideshow with a remote try to use a bluetoothe enabled mobilephone
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14:13.04factorI have a remote control working right now
14:13.22factorneed the dcop commands for mouse at least
14:13.34factormouse keyboard would be nice
14:13.43pinotreethere's no such thing.
14:14.00factorand I dont have a mobil phone that can do that stuff anyway
14:14.04factorwhy
14:14.13tarashow to check out this qt http://qt.gitorious.org/+kde-developers/qt/kde-qt/commits/4.5.2-patched ?
14:14.20factorseems would be the single one
14:14.21pinotreetaras: #qt-labs
14:14.23tarasdownloading as tar.bz2 fails
14:14.25pinotreefactor: <pinotree> DCOP is an inter-process channel, not a generic scripting stuff.
14:14.30shadeslayertaras: hg clone i think
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14:14.45pinotreefactor: that means, to send a command from one process to another.
14:14.47factorI can write a c program as well
14:14.49factoreither or
14:15.14pinotree... or ask in the openoffice channel if it supports automation of operations
14:15.20pinotreeand how, in case
14:15.43xxtjaxxfactor the sonyerricson since k700 had a feature to use the bt on the device for controlling th mouse on the pc try to check if xou can get the mobilephone of a friend for this
14:16.14factorppsft
14:16.17factorthat is silly
14:16.28factorI have a nice remote right now
14:16.31factorand works good
14:17.04xxtjaxxwith klirc or whats its name?
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14:32.27sxeis it possible to see debug outpus while using a plasmoid?
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14:40.32wmpI lost icon in taskbar - http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4536/screen65.png
14:40.39wmphow to recovery it?
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14:44.01wmpanother screenshot: http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2643/screen66h.png
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14:49.20xxtjaxxwmp try kbuildsycoca and kbuildsycoca4
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15:11.44dreamtheaterHow can I see the current/previous printer jobs.
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15:14.35TiriliDo you know a way to read out a saved kopete icq password?
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15:14.47TorchTirili: from kwallet?
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15:15.04TiriliHm. I don't think, I have used kwallet.
15:15.17TiriliIsn't there a function inside kopete?
15:15.38TorchTirili: of course not. but i think it's stored in plaintext in the rc file
15:16.38Torchhmm, no, doesn't look like thtat.
15:16.50Torchit's obfuscated, at least.
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15:18.21Tirilihm
15:18.33TorchTirili: you can still recover it, i think
15:18.41TorchTirili: it's just not as trivial as it could have been
15:18.56TiriliI think, I have forgotten 1 of 8 characters - 2 at most. :/
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15:19.42TorchTirili: use kde wallet in the future ;-) and something like keepassx to store all your passwords.
15:20.45TiriliWhere can I find the .rc file?
15:20.55TiriliThere is no .kopete folder in my ~.
15:21.06TorchTirili: .kde/share/config/kopeterc
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15:21.24Torchhttp://salahuddin66.blogspot.com/2009/04/recover-kopete-password.html
15:21.31Torchthis is what google turns up
15:21.33Tirilithank you!
15:21.58TorchTirili: you're welcome
15:23.21TiriliIs it ~/.kde/share/config/kopeterc ?
15:23.28TorchTirili: yes
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15:31.22limxdamn, kde crashed
15:31.29limxthe desktop is black
15:31.34limxhow can i get it back?
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15:32.03Torchlimx: "kstart plasma-desktop" from a shell or from krunner
15:32.15limxill try it
15:32.48limxQStringList Solid::Backends::Hal::HalManager::findDeviceByDeviceInterface(const Solid::DeviceInterface::Type&)  error:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied"
15:33.05limxaccess denied at dbus?
15:33.09alexexkill plasma-desktop first
15:33.19alexexi think i had that when there was already some plasma running
15:33.30alexexif i remember that right :)
15:33.48alexexis anybodys strigi working here?
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15:34.42limxalexex: plasma-desktop isnt running
15:35.06Rehtohey funkyou
15:35.18limxwhat?
15:35.24limxoh lol
15:35.37limxi read something else
15:35.43limx... i restart X
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15:43.26limxi got the problem
15:43.38limxdisk was full so plasma crashed and dont wanted to start
15:43.55limxisnt there a notification like in windows?
15:44.15limxi mean you also get notificated when the system goes down for reboot or something
15:44.25limxa disk-nearly-full warning would be great
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15:58.25SpellI've a problem with Amarok and KMix. It resets the volume to 50% every time the song played is changed.
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16:01.43Spell(KDE 4.3, openSUSE Factory, Pulseaudio as Soundserver, the volume is resetted globally not at amarok)
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16:12.27herlimenezesGood Morning/Evening for all!
16:12.57herlimenezesDoes anybody know how to solve this dependency conflit?
16:13.01herlimenezesErros do teste de transação:  file /usr/bin/kde4-doxygen.sh from install of kdelibs-devel-6:4.3.0-2.fc11.x86_64 conflicts with file from package kdelibs-6:4.2.4-6.fc11.x86_64
16:13.29herlimenezesIm updating fedora, and this conflict appeares
16:13.35herlimenezes*appeared
16:15.30pinotreeherlimenezes: you should ask in #fedora-kde
16:16.00herlimenezespinotree: ok, ty.
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16:36.22honschuhi, I have compiled a window manager, now I would like kdm to start it. Where do I have to add it?
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16:39.50tweatimehonschu: You need a .desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions
16:40.09tweatimethere will be one or more there already for you to use as a template
16:40.27tweatimeyou also have the option of creating a .xsession and using the 'Custom' session option
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16:40.45tweatimeyou can also remove the Custom and Failsafe sessions by putting a .desktop file there for them with hidden=true
16:41.16tweatimecheers *poof*
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16:43.08honschutweatime: thanks
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16:47.12oneforallany idea why gqview would crash on any image I try to open. when its used from a file manger. Konq in file manager mode, dolphin etc. kde4 4.2.85 . But if I right click on it and use other and open it with gqview, it works or from konsole
16:47.40oneforallerr sorry it crashed witht he right click
16:47.51oneforallbut not from konsole
16:48.51oneforall<6>gqview[11385]: segfault at 2c ip 00007fab4f7f8732 sp 00007fff2dd5e2c0 error 6 in libglib-2.0.so.0.2104.0[7fab4f7bf000+e1000] see thatin dmessage.
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17:18.33moonfluxanybody an advice how to debug a suddenly not starting akonadi?
17:18.55moonflux(suddenly == last week it still worked, might have been before the rc3->final upgrade)
17:18.56Spellstarting it in an console
17:19.01moonfluxhow?
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17:19.14Spellkonsole
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17:19.22moonfluxjepp, I know the konsole
17:19.26Spelland then input akonadi
17:19.29moonfluxkk
17:19.30Spell;P
17:19.44moonfluxcommand not found
17:19.47alexex:D
17:20.01moonfluxhm. akonadiconsole, akonadiserver, akonadictl...
17:20.13alexexis it normal that there is some "installation problem" that causes strigi not to start?
17:20.14moonfluxlets try the server
17:20.45moonfluxwhich tells me to do a 'akonadictl start'...
17:20.56moonfluxugh. lots of errros
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17:21.40moonfluxhm. the mysql process is running nevertheless but kaddressbook doesn't find its resources
17:22.22moonfluxah. seems like kaddressbook just lost its akonadi resource
17:22.36moonfluxok, enough monologue for today, works again :)
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17:42.45BubbaTIn kde4.2 how can I create 4x1 virtual desktops ( as opposed to 2x2 )?
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17:45.35SpellRightClick onto "Desktop switcher": RowCount=1? ;)
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18:12.27shadeslayerhey,any idea why if we configure plasma to have one activity associated with one desktop,5 activities appear instead of 4 (on a PC with 4 virtual desktops)
18:12.30shadeslayerand then after 5 min of use you can delete the extra activity
18:12.44shadeslayerim on kubuntu
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18:17.22nethadhi all, i read on a kde 4.3 announcement that it's now possible to sync a calendar with google calendar. I am able to see my google calendar entries in korganizer but i can't save any dates i made in there.
18:18.00nethadis there a howto? i couldn't find any
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18:19.41mizerydeariaWhen KDE starts up, so does "Invitation - Desktop Sharing" window.  How can I prevent it from starting up?
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18:22.39shadeslayermizerydearia: um,system settings > advanced > autostart > remove script
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18:26.11mizerydeariashadeslayer, The only entry listed there is gtk2-engines-qtcurve.rc.sh
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18:27.11shadeslayermizerydearia: no idea then....
18:27.30shadeslayermizerydearia: there might be a setting in the app itself
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18:38.13roerichdebian/powerpc sid, kde 4 - my desktop is black
18:38.29roerichare there any logs which I can read?
18:38.29SkatoxHello, what's the package for mount stuff in kde? or the name
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18:46.03vbgunzim in keyboard layout of kde 4.3 and cannot find the dvorak layout. do I need a package?
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18:51.50vbgunzi got it
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18:57.59lukas_Hi
18:58.52lukas_I was runing one app via wine, and suddeny window dissapered. It still exists on task manager and is still active.
18:59.11lukas_is it possible to force it restore to desktop?
18:59.16lukas_please......
18:59.54lukas_it has 2 hours of unsaved work :( (i know im stupid for not saving....)
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19:10.07taraskostiakwhere in 23 packages of kde4.3.0 release is "kdesupport" module?
19:10.51oneforall0 4219m 3.5g  15m S   67 45.3  18:57.70 konqueror wow I don't have many tabs open either ./ I got 64 open in ff and only 18 in konq
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19:15.44AluminI'm having issues with, well, at least KMail when it comes to the X selection
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19:16.17Aluminif I select text in, say, Firefox, and then try to paste it into a KMail composer window, it doesn't paste the text (it pastes completely different text)
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19:16.28Aluminhowever, if I select text _in_ the composer window and then paste it back, it works
19:16.49Aluminso I'm guessing KMail/KDE is intercepting that middle-click and substituting its own pseudo cut buffer
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19:17.56Aluminsame issue with Akregator ... both of these programs are running inside Kontact if that makes any difference ... oh and this is all on KDE 4.2.2 (Kubuntu 9.04 Jaunty)
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19:18.41AluminI do not see this behaviour with KNotes though (so I suppose that means it's not KDE-wide, whatever it is...maybe it's just Kontact?)
19:20.03Aluminyeah, it's something with Kontact...when I run KMail by itself, the problem doesn't occur
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19:27.23Aluminalso I can't add Plasma widgets to my screensaver, but that's more of an annoyance than an actual issue :)
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19:29.36szalI'd like to say, that's what you get if you go w/ default pkgs instead of backports or the likes when the pkg version is out of date in the meantime ;) ..  but I can't know if *buntu's 4.2.4 (or 4.3.0, if available) solves any of these issues..
19:30.18szalanyway, in openSUSE I never had problems copying/pasting texts..  sometimes they wouldn't show on 1st try to paste, but I almost certainly can retrieve them from Klipper
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19:32.06szalAlumin: so you might wanna search *buntu's bug tracker for your issue & vote for the bug :)
19:33.25Aluminszal: I'm pretty sure this is a KDE/Kontact/Klipper configuration issue, not a bug
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19:33.57Aluminit _is_ pasting properly, it's just using its own buffer
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19:34.26szalAlumin: well, if the correct configuration should be there out of the box, it _is_ a bug, one the packager is responsible to solve
19:34.57Aluminyou did give me an idea though, I used to run Klipper but disabled it, maybe that's when the behaviour changed
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19:39.43shadeslayerhi,is there a video player plasmoid which works with xine?
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19:41.15KaristianHi there! Anyone knows how to drop a note to the desktop? I always see these little yellow "post it" notes in KDE 4 screenshots but how can I create one?
19:41.20shadeslayersomething like : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4co0WVGaTc
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19:41.39shadeslayerKaristian: just add the necessary widget by right clicking the deskto
19:41.43shadeslayer*desktop
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19:42.53shadeslayeri need this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4co0WVGaTc
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19:44.03Karistianshadeslayer: Thanks but there's no "note" widget. When I click on "Download New Plasma Widgets" and search for "note" I just get a "Blue Note" widget (some musicians thing)
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19:44.32shadeslayerKaristian: which distro?
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19:45.09Karistianshadeslayer: Gentoo. Ah, I already found out: I missed the "kdeplasma-addons" package. Will try that first. :)
19:45.24AluminKaristian: there's also KNotes
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19:45.44KaristianAlumin: Ok, thanks. Will also try that. :)
19:45.50Aluminthat's not a plasmoid, it's actually a standalone application...that's what I use
19:45.56Karistianyep
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19:47.26shadeslayerKaristian: yep thats it
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19:48.34taraskostiakwhy cmakekde stops on that step? http://pastebin.com/d17c59700
19:48.51taraskostiakwhile compiling "kdesupport"
19:49.30shadeslayertaraskostiak: type make
19:49.52shadeslayertaraskostiak: after that is done,type sudo make install
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19:50.14shadeslayertaraskostiak: and voila everything is installed
19:50.18taraskostiakin directory set by cb or cs?
19:51.06shadeslayertaraskostiak: build files are written to the build directory in which you were compiling
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19:52.29taraskostiakoh I should run bash function "makekde"
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19:55.32shadeslayertheres only audio out of the media player plasmoid
19:55.44shadeslayerno video (trying to play a .avi)
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19:56.41copproany way to set a rotating desktop background that changes every so often or every login or something? Can I just make the image file a symlink and relink it at random?
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20:22.49mountainjewHi all, i just upgraded to kde 4.3 and i can't get the multimedia settings to open, it just closes the window when i click it.....I think it's also responsible for amarok not playing, any ideas?
20:23.07mountainjewoh and i tried creating a new user, and the same thing happens
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20:24.27TheFuzzballWhy does Dolphin in 4.3 not support the smb protocol?
20:25.01TheFuzzballNeither does Konqueror, for that matter
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20:25.25TorchTheFuzzball: because you're missing kio_smb, i'd say.
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20:26.52TheFuzzballThanks
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20:27.19TheFuzzballI've thought Kubuntu would include it by default though
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20:28.10TorchTheFuzzball: it seems to do so here.
20:28.19TorchTheFuzzball: kdebase-runtime has it
20:30.04mountainjewoh nvm i fixed my prob, phonon wasnt' installed....
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20:31.23RCL_hi
20:31.30RCL_are there any KWin developers here?
20:33.04mgraesslinRCL_: yes
20:33.38RCL_could I ask you to comment on that? http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=65108
20:33.48TheFuzzballTorch: strange, I get an "Internal Error" message from Dolphin when I try to access a samba share
20:34.21TorchTheFuzzball: your installation might be broken then
20:34.58TheFuzzballWhat distro are you running?
20:35.11TorchTheFuzzball: me? ubuntu jaunty.
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20:35.53TheFuzzballI remember having the same problem in Jaunty
20:35.59TheFuzzballI'll ask in #ubuntu+1
20:36.25TorchTheFuzzball: yep, good idea. good luck.
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20:37.07mgraesslinRCL_: of course Shadows affect all windows
20:37.46mgraesslinRCL_: I think you run into BUG 178210
20:37.56TheFuzzballThanks for your help though :)
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20:44.28taraskostiakbtw do kde's makefiles can compile on 2 cores like qt4.5 did? (-j3)
20:44.42Torchtaraskostiak: sure
20:44.54Torchtaraskostiak: even on three, four, five, six... ;-)
20:45.25TheFuzzball-j doesn't indicate how many cores, just how many instances of make
20:45.31TheFuzzballI ran -j16 on my Quad Core
20:46.09taraskostiakbtw, thats must be special makefile or thats feature of "make" program?
20:46.24TheFuzzballIt's a make feature
20:46.26Torchtaraskostiak: it's a feature of make
20:46.36TheFuzzballyou can run make -j4 directly
20:47.04Torchtaraskostiak: but cmake-generated makefiles tend to support it better than autotols-generated ones (i.e. configure...)
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21:02.28Aluminis there a way to make the clock in the panel smaller?
21:02.33Aluminie, reduce the font size
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21:03.32Alumin'cause right now it's HUGE :P
21:04.06Aluminit's taking up valuable task switcher space...same thing with the quick-launch icons, why can't they be the same size as the notification area icons and stack multi-row
21:05.35TorchAlumin: screenshot?
21:05.43TorchAlumin: it doesn't do that for me.
21:06.06Aluminoh yeah?  well that's good, that means there's a configuration option to get it to do what I want :)
21:06.17Aluminhold on lemme generate a visual aid
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21:07.18Torchhttp://banane.volker-lanz.de/digitalclock.png -- this is how it looks here.
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21:09.20Aluminah ok, I should probably clarify something
21:09.35AluminI would like it to be smaller than it is now, without having to make the panel thinner
21:10.10TorchAlumin: well, it will try to fill the vertical space, i guess.
21:11.27TorchAlumin: ok, if i make my panel twice as high it takes up a lot more space. i see what you mean. on the other hand, making it use a smaller font might look bad.
21:13.13corfuzzy clock does, fyi. better time, too
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21:22.02Aluminhttp://imagebin.org/59636  <-- this is what I have now
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21:22.28AluminAs you can see, the clock and quick-launch icons next to the KDE menu are gigantic
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21:22.48AluminI would prefer if they were the size of the ones in the notification tray, so they could stack vertically
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21:23.53TorchAlumin: i see what you mean. personally, i think everything behaves in a very sane and consistent manner in this screenshot.
21:24.06Aluminsomething else I've been battling with for a few days now...I can't seem to add widgets to the screensaver.  I can go into edit mode, but nothing responds to the mouse
21:24.31AluminTorch: yeah, I can definitely see where the current behaviour is a valid design decision
21:25.01AluminI just would rather have the KDE 3.5.8 behaviour
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21:26.11Aluminit kinda becomes an issue when I have lots of windows open, it's kinda annoying to have these tiny tabs for windows when I'm using all this space to display an epic clock and three oversized launcher icons :)
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21:28.09Rehtomy problem with the digital clock in 4.3 is that the date and year are in huge font when compared to the time display
21:28.24Rehtominor problem but annoying :)
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21:29.52Aluminyeah, none of these are huge issues
21:29.54ZombieBearI never used date in my clock so deson't affect me XD
21:30.10Aluminalthough it would be nice to be able to add plasmoids to the screensaver, so I can add the "leave me a message" one
21:30.42ZombieBearAlumin, the quicklaunch plasmoid can be configured for small icons
21:30.51ZombieBearI'm using it the same way as in 3.5
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21:34.36AluminZombieBear: this looks like it might be what I need...how can I get the icons that I have now into it?  I can't seem to drag them and I can't find them in the K menu anywhere
21:34.57ZombieBearYou unfortunately have to make a folder with .desktop files
21:35.03ZombieBearand drag and drop them
21:35.18ZombieBearPanel drag & drop didn't make it into 4.3 :/
21:35.41ZombieBearactually if you have existing .desktops for the files you can use those
21:36.02Aluminoh
21:36.15Aluminyeah that's no big deal, I don't mind getting my fingers dirty :P
21:36.21Aluminthis is 4.2.2 anyway
21:36.27ZombieBearoh ok
21:36.34ZombieBeari'd recommend the upgrade, it's worth it
21:36.50Aluminthat's what I gather
21:37.10AluminI'm not altogether comfortable with straying outside the package system for something as fundamental as the desktop environment
21:37.19Rehtowell seems to me there are more annoying bugs in 4.3 than in 4.2.4
21:38.19Spellreally? Ive not seen much in 4.3 nor 4.2
21:38.21Rehtojust how I see it nothing factual behind it :)
21:38.41szaldoes the Quicklaunch plasmoid now work like it should w/ more than 2 miniature icons?  in early 4.2 releases it didn't
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21:41.49Aluminszal: I had three a minute ago, so yeah it looks that way
21:42.45AluminZombieBear: sorry to bug you again, but do you know where the directory is where I need to put the .desktop files?  I see a Kopete icon in the quicklaunch now, but searching for "opete" in .kde and .local doesn't turn up any clues :)
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21:44.52corAlumin, asks what so many before have asked. no one knows dude! no one! or else it would be well documented, and an obvious place. the whole thing is a total mystery! .desktop files! Shhh!!!!!
21:45.16corthe answer is "many places and no place", it's worse than the Windows start menu!
21:45.20corlol
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21:46.05Aluminuh
21:46.24Alumindoes this mean I'm going to need a flashlight?
21:46.31coroh yes!
21:46.52corwhere do you want the icon to appear?
21:46.58Aluminin the quicklaunch
21:47.09corerm? that's in a panel, right?
21:47.12Aluminmaybe the list of .desktop files is _in_ a file, maybe I need to use grep instead of find
21:47.15coris that a widget add-on?
21:47.20Aluminyeah, the quicklaunch widget/plasmoid
21:47.29Alumin(in the panel)
21:47.42TorchAlumin: it's configured in .kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
21:47.54corjust create a kickoff menu item, and then right-click it >> add to panel
21:48.22coror there may be one there already, right click that
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21:48.38Torchcor: this creates single icons
21:48.56corAnd he wants?
21:49.06Torchcor: quicklaunch with multiple rows
21:49.07AluminTorch: I see where the quicklauncher itself is set up in this file, but not a list of the actual launchers
21:49.23TorchAlumin: also, i can drag icons to the quicklaunch widget....
21:49.24coroh i see. dude! there are widgets especially gfor that!
21:49.30Aluminyeah...well getting the multiple rows isn't a problem...the issue is that I have these icons that don't appear in the K menu
21:49.33TorchAlumin: if this doesn't work in 4.2, it's upgrade time for you ;-)
21:49.38ZombieBearsorry Alumin I was afk
21:49.43corI got whole rows of special documents, apps, etc, click click
21:49.45ZombieBearyou can put the .desktops anywhere
21:49.53ZombieBearyou just drag and drop them afterwards
21:50.27corAlumin, right-click "K-Menu"  >> Menu Editor
21:50.32Aluminso I can't drag them or right-click
21:50.44AluminZombieBear: oh ok
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22:15.08taraskostiakis kdelibs-experimental necessary?
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22:16.44Torchtaraskostiak: doesn't sound like it ;-)
22:17.54taraskostiakwell its only 28kb so I proceed :)
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22:21.45taraskostiakhm @ http://pastebin.com/d7d874b59 - I'm installing kdepim and it wants to find existing one?
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22:24.47jownahserrr.... i just tried adding an account in kmail.. and it's trying to stat all my files in my homedirectory on that server??? so i get thousands of dialogs telling me "too many open files"
22:25.20jownahsi mean my files. not just my imap folders
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22:28.27taraskostiakow I've missed module "kdepimlibs" nvm
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22:43.42BeholdMyGloryIs there any difference at all between the Ozone and Oxygen window decorations?
22:47.09corHaha! Good one!
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22:48.48SpellOn 4.3 the only difference seems to be the chamelion. Before Ozone was also colored in another way.
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22:49.39magyarhi, i use kde4.2 akregator. I have set to poll news every 30 minutes, but the news feeds are not getting polled.., only manually
22:49.54Spell(the whole Windowborder was in color an not only the stripes on there)
22:51.31Spelloh. You can switch the coloring to the whole thing by unchecking an option.
22:51.38szalSpell: d'you use SUSE? ;)
22:52.29Spellyeah. Seems so. Else there wouldnt be an Ozone sheme ;)
22:53.17szalSpell: dunno, but else there wouldn't be a chameleon ;)
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23:15.22taraskostiakare those warnings bad? http://pastebin.com/d239279e
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23:16.07ErkiDerLoonyHi, is there anyone here using Rainlendar2 and annoyed about it appearing in the Alt-Tab list of windows?
23:16.38ErkiDerLoonyThere are two entries for the currently two windows of Rainlendar (calendar + todos) I display on my desktop.
23:16.57ErkiDerLoonyI’m on 4.3 I should add perhaps. ;)
23:17.28ErkiDerLoonyAs the two windows of Rainlendar are rather thought as desktop widgets I’d like them _not_ to appear in the Alt-Tab list!
23:17.33ErkiDerLoonyAny way to achieve this?
23:18.13ErkiDerLoonyI already tried the window specific property “do not show in pager” but that did not work (I’m not sure what the “pager” is actually).
23:18.47Aluminok...so I found where the "quick access" thing is configured for the panel, in ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc
23:19.12Aluminbut it just says "plugin=quickaccess", there's no mention of a .desktop file for it
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23:29.14SpreadsheetHi. The last time I used KDE was last year (KDE4). Have most applications been ported to Qt 4 yet?
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23:30.23muxfrHi
23:30.30muxfrcan I download youtube videos with kget?
23:31.16taraskostiakmuxfr: if you pass flv url to it then yes
23:32.05taraskostiakhm error during compile kdepim http://pastebin.com/d7f19d3f4
23:33.22taraskostiakwhat to do?
23:33.39taraskostiakit had these warning during cmakekde: http://pastebin.com/d239279e
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23:34.33SpreadsheetI am guessing that they have?
23:34.44muxfrtaraskostiak, well, youtube doesn't engage flv url's so I can't do that, unless kget is able to grab the correct url.
23:35.41taraskostiakmuxfr: you can get that url using httpfox, but thats weird way, just use http://bitbucket.org/rg3/youtube-dl/wiki/Home
23:35.46taraskostiaklittle python script
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23:40.29AluminSpreadsheet: seems to be that way from what I can tell
23:40.39SpreadsheetOk, thanks
23:40.50AluminI just switched to 4.2.2 from 3.5.8 a week and a half ago
23:41.02Aluminhaven't really noticed any entire apps missing
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23:41.17szalK3b isn't final yet, afaik
23:41.25Aluminoh
23:41.38ErkiDerLoonykopete has no irc
23:41.43Aluminsome of the apps aren't up to feature parity with their KDE3 counterparts yet
23:41.48Alumin*cough* Amarok *cough*
23:41.56szalErkiDerLoony: Konversation exists ;)
23:42.02szal(and Irssi, for that matter ;))
23:42.19ErkiDerLoonyYeah. It’s not that there aren’t enough irc clients around. ;)
23:42.30Aluminhaha yeah
23:42.38ErkiDerLoonyBut I prefer the pidgin way having all my messaging stuff in one thing.
23:42.52AluminKVIrc 4.x also
23:43.14szaland afaik Kaffeine hasn't been ported (yet?)
23:43.25AluminErkiDerLoony: me too...I come at the problem from the other direction though, I use BitlBee to bring my IM into my IRC client :)
23:44.21ErkiDerLoonyAlumin: Hm, that sounds interesting!
23:44.26ErkiDerLoonyPerhaps I’ll try that one.
23:44.52AluminErkiDerLoony: it takes a little getting used to but I think it's worth it
23:45.24AluminKVIrc is a vastly more extensible chatting environment than any IM client I've used
23:45.38Alumin(although Pidgin and Kopete are nice)
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23:46.38szalnever really liked KVIrc
23:46.59szalI got lost trying to set the chat window font in one of the 3.x versions in Windoze
23:47.02taraskostiakyea konversation a way better
23:47.40corTry xchat
23:47.53SpreadsheetTry WeeChat.
23:47.53szalX-Chat..  *puke*
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23:48.17SpreadsheetWeechat is the best command line irc client
23:48.23szalX-Chat lost me with one of their 2.4 releases
23:48.30AluminSpreadsheet: better than irssi?
23:48.33SpreadsheetYep
23:48.38SpreadsheetMany scripting interfaces
23:49.04Aluminhow so?  haven't heard of it before
23:49.04SpreadsheetA people-in-room list
23:49.04szalWeechat is far from feature-complete..  I'll wait for 0.3 and perhaps see if it's any good
23:49.08SpreadsheetAlso, colors for different nicks by defauly
23:49.10Spreadsheet*default
23:49.10szaluntil then, nothing above Irssi ;)
23:49.20SpreadsheetIt doesn't have a wikipedia page.
23:49.27AluminSpreadsheet: you mean like KVIrc's "smart nick highlighting"?
23:49.43SpreadsheetI don't know, I haven't used KVirc.
23:50.00Spreadsheethttp://weechat.flashtux.org/
23:50.06AluminI can't believe how immensely irritating that feature whas when I first saw it, and now I find it somewhat indispensable
23:50.56szalI first saw coloured nicks in X-Chat, so when I switched over to Irssi nickcolor.pl was a must-have
23:51.49Aluminyeah Spreadsheet that's like KVIrc's smart nick highlighting
23:51.54SpreadsheetRight
23:52.02AluminKVIrc also uses the background color, but it's the same concept
23:52.24Aluminhaha inline spellcheck that's awesome
23:52.35Spreadsheethttp://www.flashtux.org/index.php
23:52.36szalwho needs spellcheck.. :P
23:52.39SpreadsheetWhat are those buttons called?
23:52.45SpreadsheetIn the bottom left
23:52.57Alumintabs?
23:52.58MadGirltabs are not buffers, don't try to force them to act like buffers. Consider tabs like viewports, layouts or workspaces. Tabs is a terrible name. Trying to setup 1 tab == 1 buffer is an exercise in futility. Do :set hidden and get started. Get FuzzyFinder, LustyExplorer or BufExplorer to make getting around MadGirl's buffers easier.
23:53.45Aluminwtf heh
23:54.09SpreadsheetThey aren't called tabs, it's some kind of button.
23:54.24SpreadsheetThere must be a site with a whole collection that you can browse through.
23:55.14Aluminoh are you talking about the RSS/GPL/W3C things?
23:55.32Aluminat the bottom of the left column?
23:55.55SpreadsheetYes
23:56.00Aluminthose are called chicklets
23:56.08SpreadsheetWhat?
23:56.11SpreadsheetAre they really?
23:56.14Aluminyeah hehe
23:57.25SpreadsheetIt's in a certain style
23:57.35SpreadsheetWell I got my answer
23:58.51SpreadsheetIs there a more common name?
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