| 00:01.00 | sreich | ghabit: does alt+f3 work? |
| 00:01.45 | ghabit | sreich: Yes, thanks. |
| 00:01.59 | ghabit | There are empty options, that means I need just relogin? |
| 00:02.15 | sreich | probably not |
| 00:02.34 | sreich | ghabit: try going to the "Window Specific" control panel |
| 00:03.07 | ghabit | There are no geometric options switched on. |
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| 00:04.05 | sreich | ghabit: that's because you have to set them.. |
| 00:04.21 | sreich | it's what forces a window to abide by certain rules |
| 00:04.24 | sreich | (that you set) |
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| 00:29.44 | theali | anybody running kde with nvidia twinview mode? I can't handle fullscreen over both screens problem ;( |
| 00:31.44 | sreich | yes, I am |
| 00:32.09 | sreich | but I wouldn't want fullscreen to spam 2+moinitors |
| 00:33.12 | theali | I want to fullscreen on one monitor |
| 00:33.38 | theali | now it goes over both, and I have no idea why |
| 00:35.13 | theali | kde looks to properly recognize both screens - "identify" function in screen settings works fine |
| 00:37.30 | sreich | ohl. eritf |
| 00:37.37 | sreich | hm.. |
| 00:37.41 | sreich | oh. weird |
| 00:37.47 | sreich | mine only does it on 1 |
| 00:38.07 | theali | yeah, weird |
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| 00:38.23 | theali | could you show me your xorg.conf? |
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| 00:41.22 | sreich | it's a secret |
| 00:41.29 | theali | ok ;] |
| 00:42.48 | sreich | theali: http://pastie.org/668538 |
| 00:43.25 | sreich | also..so you have 2 monitors...what resolutions are you running at? |
| 00:43.40 | sreich | I'd like to know if I am the only one who gets lag when I play with windows (minimize/restore) |
| 00:44.14 | theali | CRT: 1440x900 +0+0, DFP: 1680x1050 +1440+0 |
| 00:44.14 | sreich | usually happens when I bring one from the background to ontop of another, on the foreground |
| 00:44.40 | sreich | I don't get any lag with other things though, like draggin windows |
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| 00:46.39 | theali | now I'm certain that problem is in kde, not in xorg |
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| 00:47.35 | theali | sreich: I don't get any lag |
| 00:47.50 | sreich | what the fuck damnit |
| 00:48.09 | sreich | I wonder if the nvidia drivers don't like my dual-display setup with my 8600.. |
| 00:48.29 | theali | maybe my kde version is buggy and this is the source of my problem |
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| 00:55.56 | theali | sreich: maybe it's a important detail - I'm using kde3 ;) |
| 00:56.07 | sreich | haha. |
| 00:56.10 | sreich | yes..upgrade |
| 00:56.21 | theali | upgrade? nooo |
| 00:56.21 | sreich | may have helped if you said that sooner :P |
| 00:56.30 | sreich | pft, kde4 is sooo much better |
| 00:56.35 | theali | no :P |
| 00:56.52 | sreich | have you tried it? |
| 00:57.16 | theali | maybe fresh version, but version from debian repository is not nice for me |
| 00:57.26 | sreich | yeah, distros suck |
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| 01:00.18 | DrSlony | distros suck? |
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| 01:01.27 | sreich | yep. |
| 01:01.32 | DrSlony | how so? |
| 01:02.09 | sreich | the patches the home-brewed patches they can make.. |
| 01:02.09 | sreich | causes more problems imo.. |
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| 01:03.23 | DrSlony | which distro would you say is best for kde4? |
| 01:03.42 | Mshadow | in kde4.3 when you zoom out from your desktop and choose "configure plasma"... what is the separate dashboard setting for? |
| 01:06.01 | sreich | DrSlony: ones that patch as little as possible.. |
| 01:06.21 | DrSlony | namely |
| 01:06.25 | sreich | I don't know, I could recommend archlinux (which is what I use), fedora seems to be pretty fitting from what I've heard too |
| 01:06.49 | sreich | but I don't use the archlinux kde packages per-se...since I have to build from source... |
| 01:07.22 | sreich | but if they are the same quality/as oftenly-updated as the regular distro ones, then it should be great. |
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| 01:07.47 | DrSlony | dont they patch things to fix things? |
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| 01:08.27 | sreich | well, all distros patch to "fix" things..but I don't like it when distros perform heavy patching that isn't validated with upstream(us, kde) |
| 01:08.29 | theali | archlinux, yeah, I used to use it |
| 01:08.56 | sreich | patching is great and all, if they are just using patches that we know work in kde itself |
| 01:09.22 | DrSlony | mhm |
| 01:09.30 | sreich | but when they start making their own fixes, and don't submit them to us, or put them into their distro if they were not validated..that causes problems for everyone |
| 01:09.55 | sreich | and then you have users thinking that kde is extremely buggy, when in reality it is a failure of the distro. |
| 01:10.01 | sreich | (which creates a bad image) |
| 01:10.08 | theali | it's time to get some sleep ;]. Good night everyone. |
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| 01:10.53 | DrSlony | i heard kubuntu is bad |
| 01:11.06 | DrSlony | because they did just that |
| 01:11.07 | DrSlony | true? |
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| 01:11.38 | sreich | yes, imo I would say they are well known for doing just that.. |
| 01:12.04 | sreich | and I experienced it first hand... |
| 01:12.08 | Mshadow | I like Mandriva |
| 01:12.09 | sreich | but I should stop ranting... |
| 01:12.11 | DrSlony | what about gentoo? |
| 01:13.42 | sreich | no idea |
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| 01:38.44 | lmurray | TheUni, You can't have TwinView spanning multiple graphics cards |
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| 01:40.31 | lmurray | theali, Either KWin was compiled without Xinerama support or you've incorrectly set up xorg.conf. IIRC it's the first due to a Debian issue. Can't remember 100% though. |
| 01:41.21 | lmurray | theali, You may have a panel in System Settings -> Display -> Multiple Monitors |
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| 02:09.05 | factor | how do I start the plasma panel again |
| 02:09.08 | TheUni | lmurray: i'm not trying to |
| 02:09.14 | factor | I upfdated and it dissapears everytime |
| 02:09.23 | TheUni | twinvew spans 2 monitors on 1 card. separate x screen on the 2nd card |
| 02:09.59 | lmurray | TheUni, Ah |
| 02:10.18 | lmurray | KDE unfortunately doesn't support multiple X screens as there is nobody to maintain it atm. |
| 02:10.39 | TheUni | lmurray: even that isn't a problem. i have a different wm on the 3rd monitor |
| 02:11.04 | TheUni | problem is that the twinview on the 1st card breaks when the 2nd card is enabled |
| 02:12.12 | lmurray | Sounds like TwinView doesn't like a 2+1 setup |
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| 02:12.33 | lmurray | KWin takes it's maximize geometries straight from the Xinerama protocol which TwinView provides. |
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| 02:14.16 | TheUni | guess something gets lost in translation. disabling the other card fixes it right up. |
| 02:14.37 | lmurray | Yeah, disabling makes it like a normal 2 monitor setup |
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| 02:14.44 | lmurray | It chokes on the third |
| 02:15.23 | lmurray | Maybe search http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/ to see if anyone else has tried it |
| 02:15.32 | TheUni | using icewm for the 2nd screen works fine. just that the geometries get screwed up for the 1st. |
| 02:15.40 | TheUni | i've googled around, no help :\ |
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| 02:16.26 | factor | how do I start he panels on top |
| 02:16.38 | factor | plasma-desktop does not seem to work |
| 02:16.44 | factor | or maybe already going maybe |
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| 02:46.35 | shadowkyogre | How do I find the device URI for a usb printer connected to my computer? :? I have the driver set up, but I don't believe I have the right URI for it. |
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| 02:49.56 | xjjk | shadowkyogre: tried using CUPS directly, via the web interface? |
| 02:50.26 | shadowkyogre | To set up the printer, no |
| 02:50.53 | xjjk | shadowkyogre: I don't know about KDE, but AFAIK the web interface definitely will display the URL |
| 02:51.45 | xjjk | shadowkyogre: actually, what KDE are you using? I'm using 4.3.x, and in System Settings > Computer Administration > Printer Configuration > Local Printers, there's a Deivce URI field |
| 02:53.04 | shadowkyogre | I am also using KDE 4.3.x |
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| 03:02.11 | shadowkyogre | back. compy was being too slow b/c I left firefox on with lotsa tabs while it was suspeded |
| 03:03.41 | shadowkyogre | anywho, set the printer up via web interface, right? |
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| 03:11.56 | kwyjibo | hello, i don't use KDE yet. i'm looking to switch from windows, but I was wondering if KDE has smooth window borders, using per-pixel alpha-blending? Sort of like Emerald. |
| 03:12.26 | gorgonzola | hello peoples... i was just stopping by to ask, is anyone aware if this is an issue in any other distros outside ubuntu? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/351186 |
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| 03:15.23 | maazu | kde4.3 is fine |
| 03:16.20 | maazu | gotta go |
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| 03:20.34 | kwyjibo | anyone? |
| 03:23.47 | gorgonzola | kwyjibo: kwin can apply transparency to borders independently of window trasparency, but i believe that you can only have one alhpa setting for the whole border. |
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| 03:24.34 | lmurray | kwyjibo, KDE 4.3+ supports it but not many themes actually exist yet |
| 03:24.36 | kwyjibo | no smooth borders like emerald? |
| 03:24.49 | kwyjibo | ah. does that mean it is a new feature in 4.3? |
| 03:24.58 | lmurray | Oxygen, Bespin and Aurorae are pretty much the only ones right now |
| 03:24.59 | gorgonzola | kwyjibo, additionaly, you can't tell kwin to use one alpha setting for borders when window is floeating and another for border when window is maximized. ie, make the border solid when maxmizied, but transparent on float. i proposed this a while ago in kde devel, but apparently didn't cath on... |
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| 03:25.35 | gorgonzola | lmurray, yeah, the infrastructure is there, ie, its technically possible... ut there's no way to tell it to do it :S |
| 03:25.46 | kwyjibo | go easy on me, Imurray. i'm new. :P |
| 03:25.58 | lmurray | gorgonzola, Use Oxygen, Bespin or an Aurorae theme... |
| 03:26.09 | gorgonzola | i AM using oxygen |
| 03:26.16 | shadowkyogre | I just figured out I didn't blacklist a certain module needed to use a USB printer D: |
| 03:26.18 | lmurray | Then you have ARGB |
| 03:26.35 | kwyjibo | actually i'm somewhat more confuse than before I asked |
| 03:26.47 | gorgonzola | yeah, i know. you can have transparent windows. |
| 03:26.58 | kwyjibo | not really looking for see-through windows |
| 03:27.02 | gorgonzola | you can have different alpha channels for the border and the window |
| 03:27.09 | kwyjibo | i'm looking for smooth corners. lets say a window theme had a round corner |
| 03:27.25 | kwyjibo | rather than jagged pixels, it would used per pixel alpha blending |
| 03:27.26 | gorgonzola | you can not, that i am aware of, have a decreasing alpha for the window border (ie, smooth from solid to transparent) |
| 03:27.55 | gorgonzola | and you can not, that i am aware of, specify one alpha setting for floating, as in unmaximized, windows, and another for maximized windows. |
| 03:28.13 | lmurray | gorgonzola, those are all completely different things that have nothing to do with each other |
| 03:28.15 | gorgonzola | if this is posible, i'd love to hear how, i've been trying to do it since 4.1 :) |
| 03:28.21 | lmurray | Transparent to opaque: http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=109830&file1=109830-1.jpeg&file2=&file3=&name=Gaia+Recycled+%28Compact%29 |
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| 03:29.15 | lmurray | That's the "Gaia Recycled (Compact)" theme for Aurorae |
| 03:29.18 | kwyjibo | Imurray: jpg compression is making it difficult to see if the corners are really smooth |
| 03:29.34 | gorgonzola | lmurray, i know they are completely different things, but it's what you need to have smooth alpha blending for borders, in a usable way... i might have completely understood kwyjibo, though. |
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| 03:29.43 | lmurray | gorgonzola, Different deco opacities for restored/maxed/etc windows is yet to be implemented |
| 03:29.47 | Edgar | Hello |
| 03:30.20 | gorgonzola | lmurray, my point precisely. you can have oxygen do the same thing, ie, trans borders. but on maximize, it looks horiible |
| 03:30.34 | Edgar | is it normal for kde to completely and utterly freeze and my keyboard to become unusable, and mouse too making me incapable of switching to the CLI through ctrl+alt+f1 so I can kill X :| |
| 03:30.45 | gorgonzola | lmurray, but its clearly that noone's done it, kwin can clearly do it |
| 03:30.50 | lmurray | kwyjibo, Smooth corners: http://www.flickr.com/photos/42123798@N03/4006837328/sizes/o/ |
| 03:31.00 | lmurray | That's Oxygen |
| 03:31.06 | kwyjibo | Imurray: exactly!!! |
| 03:31.09 | kwyjibo | this is kwin? |
| 03:31.12 | lmurray | Yes |
| 03:31.27 | kwyjibo | yay |
| 03:31.39 | Edgar | ? |
| 03:31.44 | gorgonzola | kwjibo, ok, i completeley misunderstood you. i thought you wanted the border to go smoothly from 100 opacity to 0... |
| 03:32.04 | kwyjibo | oops :P |
| 03:32.18 | gorgonzola | cause we've had round corners for a looong time :P |
| 03:32.31 | kwyjibo | good. that means a bunch of themes should already exist |
| 03:33.07 | gorgonzola | well, oxygen, the deafult theme, has had it since 4.0.. |
| 03:33.23 | lmurray | gorgonzola, nope. Only since 4.2 |
| 03:33.36 | gorgonzola | oh. well, i wanted to imply a long time :P |
| 03:33.37 | lmurray | In 4.0-4.1 it had masked corners |
| 03:33.48 | lmurray | 4.2 had a hack, 4.3+ uses real ARGB |
| 03:33.54 | kwyjibo | this looks really good |
| 03:33.58 | lmurray | kwyjibo, problem is that the majority of themes are unmaintained |
| 03:34.08 | lmurray | So the majority of KWin themes don't have new features |
| 03:34.44 | kwyjibo | the default theme can be made any colour, though? |
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| 03:35.15 | lmurray | kwyjibo, Not in 4.3 unfortunately--you will need to change the code directly to change the color. In 4.4+ though it's customizable |
| 03:35.25 | lmurray | Nitrogen for 4.3 might have colour customizations |
| 03:35.29 | lmurray | It's on kde-look.org |
| 03:35.59 | kwyjibo | ahh |
| 03:36.50 | kwyjibo | Is there documentation to assist creating a theme? |
| 03:37.00 | kwyjibo | Or even an app |
| 03:37.20 | lmurray | Aurorae has a little documentation |
| 03:37.38 | lmurray | It's a SVG-based decoration engine |
| 03:37.49 | lmurray | So you give it .svg files and it makes the decoration for you |
| 03:37.58 | kwyjibo | so it's scalable? |
| 03:38.18 | lmurray | Kinda |
| 03:38.37 | lmurray | The engine is still under development |
| 03:38.48 | kwyjibo | why pick svg? |
| 03:39.01 | lmurray | Because then we can reuse Plasma's code |
| 03:39.06 | lmurray | Plasma is all SVG-based |
| 03:39.33 | kwyjibo | what's plasma draw? |
| 03:39.39 | lmurray | The desktop and panel |
| 03:39.44 | lmurray | Wdigets, etc. |
| 03:39.47 | kwyjibo | ah |
| 03:40.37 | kwyjibo | a scalable interface sounds like the way to go, as monitor resolution gets higher |
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| 03:41.16 | kwyjibo | at 1920x1080, i have everything enlarged, or it's too small to see |
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| 03:46.30 | kwyjibo | well. thanks for the info. makes it easier to choose kde over gnome. later! |
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| 03:47.10 | sreich | I think that screenshot (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42123798@N03/4006837328/sizes/o/) in general, made it easier to switch to kde ;-) |
| 03:48.09 | lmurray | There's probably a better one somewhere in Hugo's Flickr |
| 03:48.13 | lmurray | I just chose that at random |
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| 03:50.30 | sreich | lmurray: doesn't look like it |
| 03:51.37 | gorgonzola | i think we can all agree kwin is awesomely gorgeous... now only fglrx coud get its act together... |
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| 03:52.13 | sreich | and nvidia.. |
| 03:52.24 | sreich | although I'm rooting more for nouvea |
| 03:52.36 | sreich | (is that how you spell it?) |
| 03:53.25 | gorgonzola | nouveau |
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| 03:54.00 | sreich | some day... |
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| 04:04.47 | Edgar | :\ |
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| 04:24.38 | shadowkyogre | Is there a easy way to remove *.desktop files for programs I do not have in the file associations? |
| 04:26.00 | shadowkyogre | there's a while bunch of files associations that still have a link to the KDE3 Kwrite even though I don't have it. |
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| 04:34.21 | Edgar | Hmm, I am trying to figure out what the cause for all this occasional freezing, nd dolphin crashing is. :/ I wonder if 81 MB from Plasma is a good sign |
| 04:34.32 | Edgar | so far it s eems 'normal' but i am not completely sure |
| 04:35.06 | oneforall | j kde-devel |
| 04:35.18 | Edgar | thats the channel to get help in? |
| 04:35.33 | sreich | no |
| 04:35.38 | sreich | oh.. yeah, sorry |
| 04:35.59 | sreich | but no as in we're sleeping :P |
| 04:36.35 | sreich | Edgar: anyways..why would 81 MB of plasma memory being used be suspicious? |
| 04:36.41 | sreich | isn't that a good thing? |
| 04:37.14 | Edgar | >_> IDK, I am a noob, and I am trying to figure out why KDE has frozen on me and why dolphin crashes @_@ |
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| 05:16.58 | carmelita | Hello, nobody knows how to play MIDI files in KDE 4.3? I used kmid on KDE 3.X, but it's not instalable on 4.X. Please could someone help me? |
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| 05:29.26 | kent\n | in the SVN trunk build of kde, there's presently a change in the alt-tab dialogue that involves certain display changes. |
| 05:29.49 | kent\n | this is generally fine, but some apps have stupidly large titles that really make it a mess |
| 05:30.06 | kent\n | KVirc for instance really screws it up |
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| 06:41.40 | cobra-the-joker | hey there guys .... can i install new themes in KDE 4.3 ? |
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| 07:18.58 | hunter-12 | блин, меÑÑа вÑего 3 мб:( |
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| 08:11.35 | Dumble | Hello world ! |
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| 08:16.28 | cha0s | Hey y'all, I got a question... I changed my appearance to a dark theme, but my panels are still light gray... is there some way to change the panels' appearance |
| 08:18.51 | PhrkOnLsh | cha0s: use a different plasma theme. |
| 08:18.59 | PhrkOnLsh | Dumble: segmentation fault, core dumped. |
| 08:20.04 | Dumble | argh ! |
| 08:21.12 | PhrkOnLsh | :) |
| 08:23.03 | cha0s | PhrkOnLsh: I see, thanks for the keywords =) Google showed me that's under desktop settings, what a strange place... |
| 08:23.51 | cha0s | btw, Korn rocks ;) |
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| 08:23.54 | PhrkOnLsh | Well, the panels are part of the desktop, technically (same process, same core, etc) |
| 08:24.03 | PhrkOnLsh | cha0s: :-) |
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| 11:11.03 | ghabit | How to set opacity for panel? |
| 11:11.09 | salvin | anyone use arora? |
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| 11:12.58 | muep_ | salvin: no one uses |
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| 11:13.18 | Animeking | i used arora... |
| 11:13.25 | Animeking | its decent |
| 11:13.43 | Animeking | firefox, opera, and chrome are better though ;p |
| 11:13.53 | salvin | arora has the favicon in the bookmarks bar? |
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| 11:13.59 | Animeking | idk |
| 11:14.05 | Animeking | i haven't used it in a while |
| 11:14.16 | Animeking | just said i've used it :p |
| 11:14.28 | Animeking | not ncessarily if i have enough memory on me to remember whats in it |
| 11:18.02 | marisn | when I start lokalize, some functionality is missing. In konsole I get message: Kross: "Action::setInterpreter: interpreter not found: python". Still I have python (Python 2.6.3) |
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| 11:22.23 | pinotree | marisn: that means you are missing the python plugin for kross (provided in kdebindings) |
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| 11:26.28 | marisn | pinotree: huh. I have installed nothing with kross in it's name. Will search for something... |
| 11:26.53 | marisn | pinotree: could it be kde-base/krosspython? |
| 11:27.18 | pinotree | krosspython is its name yes, for distro package names better ask in #gentoo-kde |
| 11:27.20 | Animeking | is there liek a hybrid mode for the desktop, that allows you to add folders, and highlight multiple ones. But not show the whole contents of your /home/edgar folder ;/ |
| 11:27.23 | Animeking | in kde |
| 11:28.23 | theali | lmurray: Yes, I have a panel in System Settings -> Display -> Multiple Monitors. Is this bad? |
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| 11:30.21 | marisn | pinotree: that's it :) Now I got some more functionality in lokalize :) |
| 11:31.25 | theali | yakuake fits to one screen only now o_O but fullscreen still works on both screens |
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| 11:59.54 | fujisan | hi |
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| 12:04.14 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
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| 12:04.45 | AlexC_ | I have a load of .svg files in a directory, however Dolphin is not displaying the preview as the icon - only when I hover over it does it display. Is this a bug or how it should be? |
| 12:05.02 | theali | g'afternoon AlexC_ |
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| 12:09.44 | breakerfall | hi |
| 12:09.58 | breakerfall | I have a question about my GTK apps running within KDE |
| 12:11.03 | breakerfall | I've selected the GTK theme that I want my apps to use (using gtk-chtheme tool), but certain parts of any theme I used, are ignored. For example, the background colour of highlighted menu items when mousing over them |
| 12:11.13 | breakerfall | any ideas why this may be happening? |
| 12:11.21 | thiago_home | does it happen when running outside KDE? |
| 12:11.51 | breakerfall | thiago_home, I haven't installed any other DE just yet, but I have 2 computers (the themes are taken from the other) |
| 12:11.54 | AlexC_ | breakerfall: not sure, however I run gtk-qt-engine which pretty much makes my GTK apps look like perfect QT apps |
| 12:12.04 | AlexC_ | if that is what you're after |
| 12:12.17 | breakerfall | AlexC_, I've tried gtk-qt, and find it pretty ugly |
| 12:12.29 | AlexC_ | breakerfall: how about qtcurve-kde4? I forget which one does which |
| 12:12.39 | breakerfall | even broken looking in places... I don't mind them not looking all integrated, but I would prefer if the chosen gtk themes worked as expected |
| 12:12.40 | AlexC_ | IIRC, it is the qtcurve one |
| 12:12.43 | thiago_home | breakerfall: we can't tell if it's a KDE issue unless you can prove it happen only in KDE |
| 12:12.52 | breakerfall | thiago_home, fair point |
| 12:12.57 | thiago_home | breakerfall: you can try and turn off the "apply KDE colours to non-KDE apps" in system settings though |
| 12:13.13 | breakerfall | thiago_home, ahh, that could be it :D let me try |
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| 12:14.06 | breakerfall | thiago_home, perfect, that was it - thank you very much |
| 12:14.26 | thiago_home | breakerfall: you're welcome |
| 12:14.37 | brain0 | Morning. Selecting a different operating system on kdm's reboot doesn't work on 4.3.2. I can set it manually with grub-set-default, if I select it in kdm, nothing happens, the old default OS is being booted. Any ideas? |
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| 12:23.45 | ghabit | Hot to set opacity for panel? |
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| 12:24.50 | vronsky | ghabit: i'm not sure there is a way |
| 12:25.21 | thiago_home | ghabit: change themes |
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| 12:51.48 | Adam_eM | hi |
| 12:52.29 | Adam_eM | where do I change font color for icons on my desktop? |
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| 12:55.09 | Half-Left | Adam_eM: it's done by the plasma theme |
| 12:56.01 | Adam_eM | Half-Left: even if i use folder view? |
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| 12:56.28 | Half-Left | Folder View has settings for that |
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| 12:57.05 | Half-Left | "myplasmatheme">color |
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| 12:57.20 | Half-Left | That's the file you want for colours |
| 12:57.47 | Adam_eM | Half-Left: where can i find that file? |
| 12:58.00 | Half-Left | In the plasma theme directory |
| 12:58.08 | Half-Left | Whichever one you use |
| 12:58.20 | Adam_eM | ah ok.... |
| 12:58.53 | Half-Left | So if you downloaded one, it's most light in ~/.kde/share/apps/desktoptheme |
| 12:59.11 | Half-Left | lightly* |
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| 13:00.10 | Adam_eM | I have one more question... if i use folderview as my desktop container (I don't know how to call it anyways :) ), sometimes I get vertical scrollbar on the right side of the screen. If i move it up and down several times it tends to dissapear. Is it a bug? |
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| 13:05.20 | Adam_eM | oh by the way... Is Quanta+ planned for kde4? |
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| 13:05.47 | Half-Left | KDE version? |
| 13:06.01 | Adam_eM | 4.3.2 |
| 13:06.15 | Adam_eM | and above... |
| 13:06.34 | Half-Left | Scrollbar shouldn't be there if you use the Folder View containment |
| 13:06.37 | Adam_eM | i meant 'earlier' |
| 13:08.00 | Adam_eM | Half-Left: i think it is related to the amount of icons on the desktop or their placement. Unfortunatelly I cannot reproduce it at the moment but I believe it would appear soon |
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| 13:08.40 | Half-Left | Well yeah, it acts like a folder so scrolls if you have too many I assume |
| 13:11.21 | Half-Left | laters |
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| 13:29.39 | xaph | hi everyone, what's the keyboard shortcut of changing workspace on kde4? on gnome i can use ctrl+right/left |
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| 13:30.41 | Yuking | xaph: CTRL+F1/F2/... |
| 13:30.57 | salvin | amarok fucked me |
| 13:31.04 | salvin | it allows to remove panels |
| 13:31.38 | xaph | Yuking: oh thanks, i tried ctrl+1/2 but not F1/F2. do u know how can i change shortcut? |
| 13:31.52 | salvin | but not to put them |
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| 13:33.49 | Yuking | xaph: Configure Virtual Desktop->Switching |
| 13:34.59 | Yuking | xaph: Or System Settings->Desktop->Multiple Desktop->Switching |
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| 13:35.49 | xaph | Yuking: thanks a lot:) |
| 13:36.18 | Yuking | xaph: :-) |
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| 13:50.56 | valio | hi |
| 13:51.17 | valio | is it possible to disable or set anyway kde4 effects |
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| 13:51.26 | valio | animation effects |
| 13:51.28 | valio | ? |
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| 13:55.35 | Half-Left | valio: Desktop Effects? |
| 13:56.00 | valio | yes |
| 13:56.23 | Half-Left | systemsettings>Desktop>Desktop Effects |
| 13:56.28 | vronsky | hello. is there a window list widget for kde4? similar to what would be in the upper right of a mac desktop? |
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| 13:56.47 | valio | yes I saw this |
| 13:56.51 | valio | it is disabled |
| 13:57.01 | valio | but it is still animated |
| 13:57.16 | Half-Left | Animated how? |
| 13:57.41 | valio | :) |
| 13:57.55 | Half-Left | What is exactly animating? |
| 13:59.21 | valio | may be it's only in my imagination |
| 13:59.23 | valio | .. |
| 13:59.36 | valio | it looks like it is animated.. |
| 13:59.37 | valio | :) |
| 13:59.42 | Half-Left | Plasma animations, no, they can't be disabled |
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| 14:30.29 | Darkarix | hey there |
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| 14:35.10 | Darkarix | I'm trying to figure out how to save my session on kde... Only, I'm not using kickoff but lancelot instead and I don't have any button on my menu for doing this |
| 14:35.28 | Darkarix | is there any command I could run or any workaround? |
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| 14:37.41 | Half-Left | KDE automatically saves the session |
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| 14:38.03 | Darkarix | yes that's right, only I'd like to restore a session previously saved |
| 14:38.14 | Darkarix | so I chose that option in systemsettings |
| 14:39.20 | Half-Left | Don't see why Lancelot doesn't work with it. |
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| 14:40.28 | Darkarix | I don't know |
| 14:40.30 | Darkarix | probably just a bug |
| 14:40.45 | Half-Left | If you logout, it should use the setting you configured |
| 14:41.06 | Darkarix | Half-Left: that's not what I want to do |
| 14:41.09 | Darkarix | I want to save a session |
| 14:41.17 | Darkarix | and then restore the same session |
| 14:41.22 | Darkarix | everytime I log in |
| 14:42.01 | Darkarix | no matter how many windows open I close kde with |
| 14:42.07 | Darkarix | or apps running |
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| 14:42.24 | ChemBro | then do it, Darkarix! :-) |
| 14:42.30 | ChemBro | save the session |
| 14:42.39 | ChemBro | use your kickoff menu |
| 14:42.53 | Darkarix | ChemBro: right I could |
| 14:43.04 | Darkarix | but then I'd have the kickoff menu when I log in |
| 14:43.17 | Darkarix | while I find myself more confortable with lancelot |
| 14:43.28 | Darkarix | that doesn't have a "save session" button |
| 14:43.37 | Half-Left | Ask the Lancelot mantainer about it |
| 14:43.55 | Half-Left | The menu doesnt' anyway |
| 14:43.58 | Darkarix | so I thought "there must be a way to do the same thing using the console" |
| 14:44.32 | Darkarix | Half-Left: that was my question |
| 14:44.36 | Half-Left | KDe saves session by default when you log out. What's this "save session" button? |
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| 14:45.05 | Darkarix | Half-Left: it appears if you choose to change the default option |
| 14:45.11 | Half-Left | KDE restores your previous session |
| 14:45.12 | Darkarix | in systemsetting |
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| 14:45.15 | phrearch | hey |
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| 14:45.26 | Darkarix | Half-Left: I don't want to restore my previous session |
| 14:45.26 | phrearch | i messed up permissions in /opt/kde. should these all be root? |
| 14:45.40 | Darkarix | but instead restore a session previously saved |
| 14:45.49 | Darkarix | ;) |
| 14:46.03 | Half-Left | Tick the manually saved option then |
| 14:46.19 | Darkarix | yes |
| 14:46.22 | Darkarix | I did already |
| 14:46.26 | Darkarix | and then? |
| 14:46.27 | Half-Left | Does it actually work with Kickoff? |
| 14:46.32 | Darkarix | it does! |
| 14:46.39 | Darkarix | but I'm not using kickoff |
| 14:46.40 | Half-Left | And does what you want? |
| 14:46.50 | Darkarix | I'm using another menu |
| 14:47.01 | Half-Left | Yes, but does it work like you want it? |
| 14:47.02 | Darkarix | with none buttons concerning saving session |
| 14:47.08 | Darkarix | Half-Left: it would |
| 14:47.16 | Darkarix | but I'd have kickoff instead of lancelot |
| 14:47.19 | Darkarix | when I log in |
| 14:47.36 | Half-Left | OK, so Lancelot 'should' do the same when you press it's "logout" button |
| 14:47.36 | Darkarix | so isn't there any way to save session using the console' |
| 14:48.11 | Darkarix | Half-Left: if I logout it doesn't save the session |
| 14:48.18 | Half-Left | It's clearly a Lancelot thing then |
| 14:48.25 | Darkarix | yes |
| 14:48.28 | Darkarix | it's a lancelot bug |
| 14:48.44 | Darkarix | but usually buttons are just a gui for commands |
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| 14:48.48 | Darkarix | that's what I ì |
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| 14:48.51 | Half-Left | DO a bug report for it then |
| 14:48.52 | Darkarix | i'm asking |
| 14:48.56 | Darkarix | jeez |
| 14:49.00 | Darkarix | just nevermind |
| 14:49.03 | Darkarix | I'll figure it out |
| 14:49.07 | Darkarix | thx |
| 14:49.41 | Half-Left | If it's a bug what's the problem? |
| 14:50.03 | Darkarix | [15:46] <Darkarix> so I thought "there must be a way to do the same thing using the console" |
| 14:50.16 | Darkarix | [15:50] <Darkarix> so isn't there any way to save session using the console' |
| 14:50.23 | Half-Left | If you know dbus, maybe |
| 14:50.58 | Darkarix | I know dbus |
| 14:51.21 | Darkarix | not quite good though |
| 14:51.36 | Half-Left | maybe you'll find it on tecbase somewhere |
| 14:51.50 | Darkarix | I'll give it a try |
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| 14:58.28 | fantasticulous | hey |
| 14:58.52 | fantasticulous | i have a feature request for kdesvn, i'd like the commit and diff dialogs to be non-modal |
| 14:58.54 | fantasticulous | where can I file this |
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| 15:00.06 | Darkarix | apparently the bug just god fixed few days ago http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=82859 |
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| 15:01.55 | catron | Hey, I was playing with my plasma desktop theme's wallpaper, set it to weather, and now it crashes when I try to change it back to an image. Is there any config file I can use to manually change my desktop back to an image? |
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| 15:04.07 | catron | found it |
| 15:04.10 | catron | nvm |
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| 15:08.28 | genshihebi | hi guys, will phonon give us a system wide equalizer? |
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| 15:14.22 | cb400f | genshihebi: not all apps use phonon.. don't see how that would be possible |
| 15:14.35 | cb400f | could be "phonon-wide" I guess |
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| 15:16.37 | genshihebi | cb400f, oh, that's good enough then |
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| 15:24.23 | decker | shoot, came across this before but can't remember what the solution is. how do I get around kde wanting to put python junk in /usr when I'm wanting it all to go into my home directory? or was it just a bug in the make install stuff before same as now? |
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| 15:25.01 | mat69 | when starting kleopatra it says that it can't reach the gpg-agent, one of the lines in the output is can't connect to `/home/kde-devel/.gnupg/S.gpg-agent |
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| 15:28.31 | sreich | decker: latter |
| 15:28.38 | sreich | but nobody has bothered to fix it.. |
| 15:29.13 | decker | sreich: ah, ok. thanks. |
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| 15:58.48 | phrearch | hm weird |
| 15:59.01 | phrearch | if i do su root in the kde terminal, it returns invalid pw |
| 15:59.06 | phrearch | works ok in tty mode |
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| 15:59.35 | theali | which kde3 part is responsible for fullscreen behaviour (fullscreen over both screens in twinview mode)? kwin? |
| 15:59.58 | thiago_home | X |
| 16:00.12 | thiago_home | in other words, no part of X |
| 16:00.19 | thiago_home | no part of KDE I mean |
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| 16:01.20 | theali | are you sure? |
| 16:01.39 | thiago_home | yes |
| 16:01.47 | thiago_home | X tells us what the screens are |
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| 16:03.19 | theali | even if I have a panel in System Settings -> Display -> Multiple Monitors with correct information about my both monitors? |
| 16:03.57 | thiago_home | even if you have a panel in multiple monitors, it's still X's job to tell KDE what the multiple monitors are |
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| 16:07.22 | theali | doesn't the fact that "identify all screens" in this panel works fine ("1" on first monitor, "2" on second) mean that KDE have good informations from X? |
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| 16:07.44 | retif | hi, i have 2 monitors connected to one video card, now they draws half of one desktop, is there any way do bind this two monitors to their own kde "virtual desktop"? |
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| 16:11.08 | thiago_home | theali: yes, that means the X information should be good. |
| 16:11.23 | thiago_home | retif: sorry? |
| 16:11.47 | theali | thiago_home: so the problem is in my kde installation, correct? |
| 16:12.14 | thiago_home | theali: that depends. What is the problem? |
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| 16:13.26 | theali | thiago_home: maximizing windows works over both screens. In kubuntu (kde3 too) it works properly with the same xorg.conf - windows are maximizing to one screen |
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| 16:14.01 | theali | and I'm trying to find what is broken here |
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| 16:14.57 | thiago_home | theali: that means kwin isn't getting all the information it needs. |
| 16:15.08 | thiago_home | theali: try restarting it by running "kwin --replace" |
| 16:15.16 | thiago_home | theali: otherwise, I can't help you with KDE 3. |
| 16:15.24 | thiago_home | I know that KDE 4 works fine with changing configurations. |
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| 16:15.52 | theali | ok, i'll try. Can you check if this looks good? http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/7207/zrzut109.png |
| 16:16.15 | theali | brb - dinner |
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| 16:19.28 | thiago_home | theali: no, that looks like Polish. |
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| 16:38.33 | ssuominen | Hey. Does anyone know a kkeyled replacement for KDE4? |
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| 16:39.01 | ssuominen | fails at googling. |
| 16:39.52 | sreich | ssuominen: kkeyled..what does it do? |
| 16:40.15 | sreich | I think there may be a plasma widget for it |
| 16:40.22 | ssuominen | sreich: seems to indicate if caps/num/scroll locks are enabled or disabled |
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| 16:40.38 | ssuominen | sreich: this one, http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kkeyled?content=9941 |
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| 16:42.28 | sreich | ssuominen: yeah, there's a "keyboard led" applet for plasma |
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| 16:44.02 | ssuominen | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/kbstateapplet/ seems to be it |
| 16:44.27 | ssuominen | I wonder if there's a release (even a beta) for that somewhere |
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| 16:49.51 | ssuominen | not yet, it seems |
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| 16:50.53 | eshat | hi all.... I noticed that windows 7 runs much faster than kde 4.3.2. can that be ? it may also be, that KDE is not optimized for fullHD monitors yet. |
| 16:52.08 | sreich | eshat: define "faster" |
| 16:52.55 | sreich | also note that it is *not* kde's fault that corporations that create drivers..namely graphics drivers, release extremely below-par drivers...and closed source, thereby reducing their already reduced effectiveness |
| 16:52.59 | sreich | closed source(nvidia) |
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| 16:58.35 | eshat | sreich: by faster I mean: windows to close faster. the visual effects in Win7 are much smoother... |
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| 17:00.00 | sreich | eshat: yes, graphics driver issues |
| 17:00.10 | tuxick | gnome is faster on same drivers :) |
| 17:00.30 | sreich | tuxick: that's because gnome uses hardly any acceleration |
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| 17:00.46 | tuxick | that sounds funny ;p |
| 17:00.55 | sreich | ?? |
| 17:01.23 | tuxick | that it's faster because it doesn't use acceleration |
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| 17:02.19 | sreich | yep. it's ironic because graphics accelerations is not very..accelerated |
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| 17:10.12 | amgarchIn9 | does your KDE handle resolution change properly? Try "xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x768" or LVDS or VGA depending on your settings. Check possible names/modes with "xrandr" |
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| 17:59.29 | Cybertinus | hello |
| 17:59.43 | Cybertinus | I'm having a bit of a wierd problem in KDE 4.3 |
| 18:00.26 | Cybertinus | The OK buttons in, for example, kdesu and the HTTP-loginbox in Konqueror just don't work anymore |
| 18:00.36 | Cybertinus | I can press the OK button |
| 18:00.49 | Cybertinus | the button itself responces (it highlights) |
| 18:00.54 | Cybertinus | but then nothing happens |
| 18:01.02 | Cybertinus | the box just stays there |
| 18:01.09 | Cybertinus | and the request isn't processed |
| 18:01.28 | Cybertinus | I have this problem both on Gentoo and OpenSUSE 11.1 |
| 18:01.38 | Cybertinus | so it must be a KDE4 problem |
| 18:01.43 | Cybertinus | it is the same computer |
| 18:01.51 | Cybertinus | but the /home folder isn't shared |
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| 18:26.01 | charzero | Debian testing,KDE 4.3. When using KDE apps (i.e. konqueror) from other window managers, is there something I should run from my .xinitrc to make the fonts not look terrible, analagous to gnome-settings-daemon? |
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| 18:52.48 | xxtjaxx | Hi where was that site for the presentation demos for people who happen to want to show kde on a presentation? |
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| 18:55.38 | ingwa | Hi, can I turn off the sound when I enter and exit KDE? |
| 18:55.48 | ingwa | I wake my gf all the time with it :-/ |
| 18:56.56 | cb400f | ingwa: .. of course.. systemsettings -> notifications |
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| 18:58.14 | pinotree | ingwa: system settings â notifications â notifications â cb400fisfasterforonce |
| 18:58.27 | pinotree | (and no, that module doesn't exist) |
| 18:58.41 | ingwa | cb400f: Hmm, I don't have systemsettings â Notifications... the closest I have is multimedia |
| 18:58.58 | ingwa | pinotree: :-) |
| 19:00.13 | cb400f | ingwa: look in the top row (look & feel): http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_10NAUsX52R4/STVL56_MjrI/AAAAAAAAAAM/UJ9bF2CA3is/s400/systemsettings413-coloured_background.png |
| 19:00.18 | cb400f | .. are you using gentoo or something? |
| 19:00.55 | ingwa | aha! |
| 19:01.01 | ingwa | no, i had just scrolled down :-/ |
| 19:01.13 | ingwa | stupid me |
| 19:02.29 | ingwa | cb400f: found it |
| 19:02.38 | ingwa | wow, there are a lot of events that play sounds |
| 19:02.44 | tuxick | ye |
| 19:03.35 | ingwa | hmm, speech? |
| 19:03.40 | ingwa | isn't that a misspelling? |
| 19:03.44 | ian| | WTF is akonadi using strigi to scan my harddrives? |
| 19:04.21 | ian| | This is EXTREMELY annoying. I configured nepomuk to NOT use strigi, not akonadi starts processes called akonadi_strigi_feeder...? |
| 19:04.27 | tuxick | ;p |
| 19:04.28 | ingwa | re speech, is that automatic voice generation? |
| 19:04.47 | pinotree | ingwa: it's the text-to-speech system (ktts) |
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| 19:05.09 | ingwa | does it work? How can I try it? |
| 19:05.26 | pinotree | you need kttsd from kdeaccessibility |
| 19:05.32 | ingwa | i have it |
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| 19:06.04 | ingwa | heh, saytime... :-D |
| 19:07.31 | ingwa | pinotree: is there a command that I can use to say anything? |
| 19:08.01 | pinotree | hmm... you could use the kttsd module (called "pronunciation") in systemsettings |
| 19:10.42 | ingwa | pinotree: very cool! |
| 19:13.29 | ingwa | cb400f, pinotree: thanks |
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| 19:33.19 | naiad | kde 4.x is there a way to have a bar of widgets on your desktop that do not get maximized over? |
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| 19:34.09 | vamp898 | Hi guys. What should i do when im getting tons of errors from amarok beceause he cant find a database? I have MySQL installed with embedded support |
| 19:34.30 | tuxick | vamp898: wait until they fix it :) |
| 19:34.36 | tuxick | i'm using juk now |
| 19:34.55 | vamp898 | hmm but it worked in Arch so its no problem with amarok directly |
| 19:35.06 | tuxick | hmm, in your case it could be lame packaging |
| 19:35.18 | vamp898 | im using Gentoo |
| 19:35.41 | tuxick | afair it creates db if it doesn't exist yet |
| 19:36.04 | tuxick | i can't check now, mine's beyond broken since upgrade to 4.3.2 |
| 19:36.28 | tuxick | running it from commandline? |
| 19:36.38 | vamp898 | im trying emerge --config dev-db/mysql mybe this helps |
| 19:36.42 | vamp898 | yes i run it from cli |
| 19:37.16 | vamp898 | did not helped :/ |
| 19:38.29 | tuxick | no, but on cli you sometimes see a bit more info |
| 19:38.39 | tuxick | a lot of GUI apps have rather poor error handling |
| 19:38.46 | tuxick | a lot of apps in general ;p |
| 19:38.50 | vamp898 | i startet amarok with --debug |
| 19:38.56 | vamp898 | he said he cant find a Database |
| 19:39.17 | tuxick | that too is a bit lame :) |
| 19:39.35 | vamp898 | amarok: [ERROR!] GREPME MySQL query failed! No database selected on |
| 19:39.48 | vamp898 | im getting this about 200 times |
| 19:39.56 | vamp898 | and for every song on my computer an extra MySQL Error |
| 19:39.56 | tuxick | it should create one or tell you how to |
| 19:40.03 | tuxick | hehe nice |
| 19:40.19 | tuxick | well i've rarely seen amarok work totally ok anyway |
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| 19:41.35 | tuxick | it doesn't look like you didn't build with mysql support anyway |
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| 19:42.46 | vamp898 | you cant deactivate MySQL Support on amarok^^ |
| 19:42.53 | tuxick | ok :) |
| 19:43.12 | tuxick | ah ye, i remember now |
| 19:43.25 | tuxick | the troubles when trying to run amarok2! |
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| 19:46.34 | Half-Left | oh crap. I was wondering why this review was on about Amarok2.2, being much more customizable. I found the option :p |
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| 19:51.26 | igor- | where does kde keep the umask modes to mount usb storage drives? |
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| 20:00.18 | mauri | i need a program with gui in order to sy 2 foldersncronize |
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| 20:16.12 | s|mon | hi there, im using kde-4.3.1 (gentoo64) and was wondering if there is a equivalent to doplhins 'places' in konqueror (media:/ doesn't work any more) where i can mount usb/dvd with one click? |
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| 20:23.10 | breakerfall | hi - does anybody know why GTK app tray icons aren't transparent in KDE's system tray? |
| 20:23.23 | breakerfall | my pidgin icon, for example, has a gray-ish background to it |
| 20:23.45 | thiago_home | because the system tray protocol is broken |
| 20:23.45 | thiago_home | it doesn't support transparency |
| 20:23.46 | eliasp | breakerfall: because all Gtk+ apps still use xembed-style tray icons |
| 20:24.23 | breakerfall | thanks guys - no workarounds? |
| 20:24.29 | MoDaX | use kopete |
| 20:24.31 | MoDaX | ;) |
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| 20:28.46 | breakerfall | MoDaX, I'd be tempted :p |
| 20:29.02 | breakerfall | but only if I can make kopete look as cut-down as pidgin |
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| 20:29.09 | Heiki | it seems to be bye-bye KDE for me now; I gave KDE 4 one last chance but found it somewhat unusable on this machine |
| 20:29.32 | breakerfall | Heiki, why, what problems did you face? |
| 20:29.38 | breakerfall | I have it running fairly nicely on an old laptop |
| 20:29.45 | Heiki | hopefully KDE 5 (or 6, or 7) will be usable |
| 20:29.49 | breakerfall | 1gig ram, 1.6ghz dual core |
| 20:30.33 | eljefe | If I edit the KDE menu (kmenuedit) , where is that file stored? |
| 20:30.43 | Heiki | breakerfall: this machine is even older and slower (: 3.5.10 used to run fine, but KDE 4 just slowed everything down too much |
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| 20:32.16 | Pendragon | hi all |
| 20:34.37 | Heiki | breakerfall: digikam is the only KDE app that I really need, and even the latest digikam runs faster under GNOME than KDE 4 |
| 20:35.19 | breakerfall | Heiki, perhaps try xfce on that machine |
| 20:35.22 | breakerfall | it's very zippy |
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| 20:37.25 | Heiki | breakerfall: Iâve tried it, I know â at the moment Iâm using Gnome just because it just works |
| 20:37.45 | Heiki | Xfce would need some tweaking |
| 20:37.52 | Pendragon | Does kde developers will be doing something like "dream scene" at Vist@? p.s. sorry for bad english |
| 20:38.18 | Shapeshifter | Hi there. I don't get this, I installed a full kde4, and here I have two weather plasma widgets. LCD weather station and weather forecast. But in both, I can only pick one of three weather providers, BBC, Env Canada and NOAA. But I want weather for Switzerland ^^ I remember when I last tried kde half a year ago this was available in one of the widgets... |
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| 20:39.40 | breakerfall | Shapeshifter, you should be able to fetch the weather for switzerland via the bbc |
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| 20:40.14 | Shapeshifter | breakerfall: mhh, I see. zurich works. |
| 20:40.30 | breakerfall | and geneva |
| 20:40.46 | Pendragon | bbc don't know many citys |
| 20:41.03 | breakerfall | and aigle, basel, berne, lausanne locarno... |
| 20:41.26 | breakerfall | Shapeshifter, which city do you want? bbc's found 13 locations (according to their website) |
| 20:41.53 | Shapeshifter | breakerfall: well, a small town. win7 recognized "wetzikon" |
| 20:42.17 | Shapeshifter | but I guess zurich is as close a spossible |
| 20:42.52 | eljefe | you could contact the local weather media and see if anyone can provide a feed/api setting to give to the KDE weather plasmoid people ? |
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| 20:45.05 | Pendragon | people what you think about "dream scenes" in KDE4? |
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| 20:45.18 | breakerfall | what's a "dream scene"? |
| 20:45.27 | Pendragon | xD |
| 20:45.42 | Pendragon | in Vist@ as walpaper |
| 20:45.54 | breakerfall | uhh, you'll have to be more specific |
| 20:45.58 | Pendragon | *wallpaper |
| 20:46.09 | Pendragon | sorry one min |
| 20:46.10 | breakerfall | it's just a wallpaper? then copy it to your computer ;) |
| 20:47.14 | breakerfall | ah, I see - video background |
| 20:47.16 | Pendragon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_DreamScene |
| 20:47.42 | Pendragon | Does kde developers will be doing something like "dream scene" at Vist@? |
| 20:48.01 | Pendragon | in KDE4 |
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| 20:48.33 | sreich | funny, I thought I heard something pertaining to it... |
| 20:48.58 | Pendragon | anybody know? |
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| 20:50.20 | Pendragon | i think it's very interestig features for users |
| 20:50.42 | Pendragon | many peoples like this feature in M$ |
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| 20:51.09 | Pendragon | *in M$ products |
| 20:51.36 | sin18 | i cant figure out how to add rss feed on ktorrent 4.3.1 (fedora 11/kde4) |
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| 20:52.15 | Pendragon | How difficult is it feasible? |
| 20:52.17 | Shapeshifter | Pendragon: I doubt it ;) vista ultimate was never popular, and it's basically bloat |
| 20:52.36 | Shapeshifter | Pendragon: and you can do it, just run mplayer on the X root window. no idea about the kde desktop though, it's probably in the way |
| 20:53.23 | sreich | Shapeshifter: was never popular, because I imagine the $200+ price tag for bitlocker and dreamscene, the latter which you get only a handful of locked down themes...is probably a turn off for many... |
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| 20:53.35 | Shapeshifter | sreich: yep |
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| 20:55.49 | Pendragon | i think is better to give people this option free |
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| 20:56.25 | oneforall | compiz beryl and fusion you could send xine to the bg |
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| 20:57.35 | Pendragon | why need install compiz in kde4? |
| 20:58.14 | Pendragon | many features from compiz in KDE4 now |
| 20:58.39 | opi | Hi, I've a problem with compiling KDE from trunk. In kdebase I get the error "Failed to create memory model. No Soprano backend installed?" ... Anyone who can help me? |
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| 20:59.37 | sreich | opi: install kdesupport |
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| 21:01.01 | opi | sreich: already compiled and installed ... I do the compile since start of the year on a regular basis. Ok at least 2 month ago where the problem occured the first time. |
| 21:02.12 | Pendragon | bye, and thanks for the fish ;) |
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| 21:05.03 | jwx | hi, how do I set a different color scheme for a specific app only? |
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| 21:05.24 | thiago_home | jwx: that's not supported |
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| 21:06.02 | jwx | thiago_home: ok |
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| 21:17.59 | khym_chanur | Kmail won't automatically download a new PGP key if it can't verify a signed message it's displaying, even though I have the "auto-key-locate" option set in my gpg.conf file. Is there anything else I need to do to get it to automatically download new keys? |
| 21:18.59 | khym_chanur | Oh, distro is Mandriva One 2009 Spring, and KDE version is 4.2.4 |
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| 21:31.13 | oscar | hi |
| 21:31.16 | Shapeshifter | when I click on "mouse" in the mouse/keyboard settings systemsettings just hangs and does nothing, and I need to kill it. |
| 21:31.19 | Shapeshifter | clues? |
| 21:31.45 | oscar | i am a newbe |
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| 21:34.24 | Alumin | Shapeshifter: if you click the close box in the window decorations it should offer to kill it if it's not responding |
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| 21:38.20 | _spm_Draget | I need a hint on the intended usage of the kio-smb feature. In dolphin I can easily browse my network via 'smb://server/share' for example. But opening the file, KDE does not provide an transparent mount but rather passses the smb://... URL to the application, which in 99% of the cases does not know what do do with it. |
| 21:38.43 | _spm_Draget | Is there some way to improve this... like a transparent kio-mount script or something like this? |
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| 21:39.47 | Shapeshifter | Alumin: uhm yeah, but I don't want it to freeze in the first place. I want to set some options for the mouse ^^ |
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| 21:40.21 | Torch | _spm_Draget: you're talking about non-kde apps, i suppose? |
| 21:41.19 | Alumin | Shapeshifter: yeah, I'm afraid I'm probably not going to be much help with that, sorry. Maybe get the actual executable name out of the crash dialog and/or process list and run it by hand from a terminal and see if you can see the errors? |
| 21:41.38 | Alumin | one of the KDE experts here could probably give you a better answer when they're around |
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| 21:42.02 | Shapeshifter | Alumin: yep, thanks |
| 21:42.18 | Alumin | there's always strace!...lulz :P |
| 21:42.24 | Shapeshifter | ^^ |
| 21:42.45 | _spm_Draget | Torch: Probally, yes |
| 21:43.25 | Torch | _spm_Draget: kde apps should deal with this transparently. so your best bet is replacing those "99% of applications" with kde ones ;-) |
| 21:43.52 | Phlogi_ | hmm is it true that a user is unable to change the time in kde? (4) |
| 21:45.00 | Torch | Phlogi_: system settings -> computer administratio -> date & time |
| 21:45.34 | Phlogi_ | Torch: of course.. .the clock shouild link to this |
| 21:45.50 | Phlogi_ | my gf just didn't find it :D |
| 21:47.10 | Shapeshifter | So, is amarok the only kde-oriented player? I used to use mpd + ario and it worked fairly well. Have a 44k+ library, so it should be fast. lastfm and all those gadgets not needed |
| 21:47.10 | _spm_Draget | wishes that the desktop teams would develop their funky new stuff less desktop-dependend. Why must the protocol-handling like smb:// be kde specific? Why must gnome/kde each implement their own geolocation services? If those things would be mroe generic, all desktops, alls linux users would benefit |
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| 21:47.50 | Ahmuck | is there a way to remove "favorites" from the kde4 menu? |
| 21:47.59 | Phlogi_ | Shapeshifter: you did try amarok? |
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| 21:49.00 | Shapeshifter | Phlogi_: yes I did. well, half a year ago. I prefer a view similar to ario/rythmbox/itunes, where you have genre/artist/album at the top and the playlist below and I remember amarok only having a tree structure or something |
| 21:49.06 | Shapeshifter | not really suited to browse so many tracks. |
| 21:49.52 | Half-Left | Shapeshifter: You can do that now in 2.2 |
| 21:50.01 | Shapeshifter | ah. i'll try it |
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| 21:50.38 | Half-Left | You can put them practually where you want in 2.2 |
| 21:51.05 | setog3 | can we set kopete to display different conversion in tab ? like konqueror tab ? |
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| 21:52.15 | cb400f | setog3: yes.. settings > configure -> behaviour -> chat -> grouping policy |
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| 21:52.46 | cb400f | -> group all messages in the same chat window |
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| 21:54.56 | setog3 | great thx ! |
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| 21:55.39 | cb400f | it should really be the default by now :-) |
| 21:55.48 | cb400f | wonders if any kopete users don't do that |
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| 21:58.16 | Ahmuck | is there a way to remove "favorites" from the kde4 menu? |
| 21:59.31 | Torch | Ahmuck: right click it and "remove from favorites"? |
| 21:59.50 | breakerfall | Torch, I guess he means the actual favourites section |
| 21:59.57 | Ahmuck | yes |
| 22:00.07 | breakerfall | +1 - I wouldn't mind knowing how to remove the "recently used" section too |
| 22:01.00 | breakerfall | here's hoping that it reduces the width of the menu to match the reduced number of tabs (if possible) :) |
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| 22:05.46 | Ahmuck | is there a reason to keep ark ? |
| 22:05.57 | Ahmuck | is it intergrated into konq? |
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| 22:12.01 | Half-Left | Ahmuck: yes and Dolphin. |
| 22:12.22 | shadowkyogre | Is it appropriate to show a plasmoid idea in here? |
| 22:12.53 | Zach_the_Lizard | I don't know whether it is or isn't, but I'd be interested |
| 22:12.53 | Half-Left | #plasma |
| 22:13.31 | shadowkyogre | ok |
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| 22:17.41 | cilkay | Hello. I miss kNewsTicker in KDE 4 so I found NetNewsTicker, which I've built and installed. I can see it in my panel but it's very narrow. How can I adjust the width of that particular widget in the panel? |
| 22:19.50 | Zach_the_Lizard | Unfortunately, I don't think you can |
| 22:20.13 | Zach_the_Lizard | If you can, that would be very helpful for me, because a few of my widgets also are too narrow |
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| 22:22.38 | Ahmuck | will kmoon be going svg? currently it's a black box with the moon in the tray |
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| 22:43.10 | Stalafin | hello - is it possible to set 'expandable folders' to all folders - such that if i click on a folder, it is expanded, not opened in a new view |
| 22:43.38 | thiago_home | dolphin does that |
| 22:45.50 | morecrow | which FTP tool for kde does the hivemind generally agree on? |
| 22:45.54 | Half-Left | rdieter: Found a solution to that Inkscape issue |
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| 22:46.25 | sreich | morecrow: hivemind? |
| 22:46.26 | thiago_home | morecrow: Konqueror |
| 22:46.31 | sreich | dolphin/konq |
| 22:46.37 | Half-Left | morecrow: Node 19 says Dolphin |
| 22:46.42 | Stalafin | thiago_home: did you refer to me? |
| 22:46.46 | thiago_home | Stalafin: yes |
| 22:46.58 | morecrow | ahh, ill try dolphin, i didnt realize it was integrated |
| 22:47.00 | morecrow | thanks all |
| 22:47.23 | sreich | that's the greatness of kde...network transparency.. |
| 22:47.27 | sreich | well, one of them :) |
| 22:47.36 | cb400f | one of many :-) |
| 22:47.45 | Stalafin | thiago_home: well... see: i set expandable folders; my home folder is set 'expandabable'; however, when i now click on a folder, it is opened and displayed in the same old way (without the expandable view) |
| 22:48.00 | thiago_home | Stalafin: click on the + sign |
| 22:48.03 | sreich | Stalafin: that's because you have to click the + sign |
| 22:48.12 | sreich | shakes his fist at thiago_home |
| 22:48.13 | Stalafin | yeah, is there a way to circumvent that? |
| 22:48.27 | Stalafin | i think this is very inconvenient.... |
| 22:48.37 | thiago_home | Stalafin: no |
| 22:48.41 | thiago_home | Stalafin: click the + sign to expand |
| 22:48.43 | Stalafin | :( ok |
| 22:48.44 | thiago_home | Stalafin: click the name to open |
| 22:48.56 | Stalafin | + sign = smaller than name/symbol |
| 22:49.03 | cilkay | Zach_the_Lizard: I'm so disgusted by this transition to KDE 4.2. I have less functionality than I did with 3.5.9 all for what? Visual effect that I neither care about or use? |
| 22:49.34 | thiago_home | cilkay: what functionality are you missing? |
| 22:49.48 | Zach_the_Lizard | And why are you directing it at me :p |
| 22:49.54 | sreich | heh |
| 22:49.56 | Zach_the_Lizard | I didn't contribute to KDE |
| 22:50.20 | Stalafin | cilkay: check out 4.3 |
| 22:50.22 | cilkay | Zach_the_Lizard: Because you had replied, not necessarily because you could do anything about it. |
| 22:50.23 | Stalafin | 4.2 is old |
| 22:50.40 | Stalafin | and if you dont like it - why not use 3.5.9? |
| 22:50.45 | cilkay | Stalafin: Unless it's packaged for Fedora 11, I can't (and won't). |
| 22:51.03 | Stalafin | well |
| 22:51.04 | thiago_home | cilkay: so, what functionality are you still missing? |
| 22:51.07 | Stalafin | dont use fedora 11 |
| 22:51.09 | Stalafin | :D |
| 22:51.14 | thiago_home | it's important to know what people feel they've lost |
| 22:51.24 | thiago_home | those of us using KDE 4 for some time have forgotten some of the things we lost |
| 22:51.30 | Stalafin | << successfully converted friends from ubuntu and fedora to awsum rollling release archlinux :D |
| 22:51.35 | cilkay | thiago_home: KNewsTicker, Konsole is a big regression from what I had. |
| 22:51.44 | thiago_home | cilkay: Konsole is a big improvement for me |
| 22:51.45 | sreich | Stalafin: nice :) |
| 22:52.08 | Zach_the_Lizard | what about konsole has regressed? |
| 22:52.09 | thiago_home | cilkay: there's an RSS plasmoid |
| 22:52.10 | Stalafin | cilkay: i agree, konsole is horrible, always was and always will be; i suggest urxvt |
| 22:52.12 | Stalafin | :D |
| 22:52.17 | cilkay | thiago_home: There is nothing I see in Konsole that's an improvement. |
| 22:52.28 | thiago_home | cilkay: the tabs are better, there are no more frames |
| 22:52.34 | thiago_home | it's got full, real transparency |
| 22:52.57 | thiago_home | mouse wheel works, keyboard shortcuts still work |
| 22:53.07 | cilkay | thiago_home: The RSS plasmoid doesn't do anything for me in panel. I want the exact same thing I had in KNewsTicker, not something that's on a desktop that I never look at. |
| 22:53.15 | cilkay | transparency, don't care |
| 22:53.28 | sreich | thiago_home: hm..where's transparency? |
| 22:53.29 | thiago_home | cilkay: you can add a plasmoid to the panel |
| 22:53.36 | thiago_home | sreich: in the theme |
| 22:53.42 | cilkay | But it doesn't stream like KNewsTicker |
| 22:53.44 | Stalafin | cilkay: why dont you use the rss feed from kontact? |
| 22:53.46 | Stalafin | i think it's great |
| 22:53.48 | thiago_home | sreich: profile |
| 22:53.59 | thiago_home | cilkay: I see. |
| 22:54.00 | cilkay | Stalafin: You mean akregator? |
| 22:54.03 | thiago_home | cilkay: ok, understood. |
| 22:54.18 | cilkay | It's called "ticker" for a reason :) |
| 22:54.24 | Stalafin | truth be told, i have no clue |
| 22:54.32 | Stalafin | guess it's akregator |
| 22:54.36 | cilkay | Anyway, beefs with Konsole... I'll direct you to a blog post. |
| 22:54.57 | cilkay | http://dinamis.com/node/37 |
| 22:55.15 | thiago_home | oh, another good plus about Konsole: opening of links |
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| 22:55.31 | cilkay | Which only causes redraw problems from what I can see. :) |
| 22:55.31 | Stalafin | thiago_home: urxvt does too :) |
| 22:55.56 | Szadek | hello everybody , is it possible to sync android/gmail contacts with kmail ? |
| 22:55.59 | cilkay | I had a very good workflow with Konsole in 3.5.9. It's all destroyed in Konsole in 4.2. |
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| 22:56.52 | cilkay | E.g. sets of tabs were called "profiles" in 3.5. "Profiles" are now something else. |
| 22:57.13 | cilkay | And there is no obvious way I've found to open a group of tabs consistently like I could in 3.5.9. |
| 22:57.27 | Stalafin | Szadek: i believe i reaed somewhere that this is not yet possible, as nepomuk(?) has not yet been converted as kmail's backend and will be used to get for example gmail stuff in the future........ but take that with a grain of salt |
| 22:57.29 | thiago_home | cilkay: ah, I see. The profiles. |
| 22:57.38 | thiago_home | cilkay: I've never used that feature. That's why I didn't miss it. |
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| 22:57.57 | thiago_home | Stalafin: akonadi, not nepomuk |
| 22:58.05 | Stalafin | ah, right |
| 22:58.07 | Stalafin | sry |
| 22:58.16 | Stalafin | thiago_home: what were the two once again? |
| 22:58.25 | cilkay | And, the new "profiles", which used to be called "sessions", it's a mystery to me how in the world I can get them sorted alphabetically in the "File" menu. |
| 22:58.52 | thiago_home | Stalafin: akonadi is the PIM backend stuff |
| 22:58.57 | thiago_home | Stalafin: nepomuk is the semantic desktop |
| 22:59.05 | Stalafin | thiago_home: right, thx |
| 22:59.21 | Torch | cilkay: complaining here won't buy you anything. file bugs and wishes on bugs.kde.org if you really want to see these issues fixed |
| 23:00.02 | cilkay | Opening the "Profiles" editor teases me with "Move Up" and "Move Down" buttons that are never enabled. |
| 23:00.50 | cilkay | Torch: True, though one would think that what I'm asking for in Konsole is hardly so exotic that it would require me to file a "wish". |
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| 23:01.25 | thiago_home | cilkay: indeed |
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| 23:01.35 | thiago_home | cilkay: but one might also argue that it's a corner feature |
| 23:01.36 | Torch | cilkay: i know what you mean, but that's just the way it works |
| 23:01.40 | sreich | cilkay: well..developers can't be expected to know *everything* that you think as non-"exotic" |
| 23:01.43 | thiago_home | cilkay: most people don't use that feature |
| 23:02.03 | cilkay | sreich: The first rule should be, "First, do no harm." |
| 23:02.12 | thiago_home | cilkay: I *always* use the terminal. I usually have many different open konsoles. I have been using Konsole for 10 years. I've never used that feature. |
| 23:02.20 | thiago_home | cilkay: not when you've rewritten the software. |
| 23:02.29 | thiago_home | rewriting means dropping everything and starting from scratch. |
| 23:02.31 | thiago_home | things get lost |
| 23:02.38 | cilkay | When you gratuitously change features for no good reason, rename things for no good reason, that's a regression. |
| 23:02.44 | thiago_home | and, of course, features that were hard to maintain and keep, they get removed for good. |
| 23:02.54 | thiago_home | I'm arguing that nothing was gratuitiously changed. |
| 23:03.07 | thiago_home | and that what was changed was for good reason. |
| 23:03.07 | Stalafin | cilkay: you do know that the only thing konsole 3.5.9 and konsle 4.x share is the name? |
| 23:03.07 | cilkay | Oh, so sorting sessions alphabetically is an edge case? |
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| 23:03.23 | Stalafin | just like everything else... |
| 23:03.27 | cilkay | Apparently so. Why should I care? |
| 23:03.32 | thiago_home | cilkay: yes |
| 23:03.46 | Stalafin | cilkay: well, nobody asks you to |
| 23:03.48 | cilkay | I'm playing the devil's advocate to some extent. |
| 23:03.50 | Stalafin | cilkay: go use 3.5.9 |
| 23:03.52 | Stalafin | whats the problem? |
| 23:04.09 | thiago_home | cilkay: understood. |
| 23:04.19 | thiago_home | cilkay: and that's why I asked you to tell us what your problems are. |
| 23:04.27 | cilkay | thiago_home: I know, and I appreciate it. |
| 23:04.30 | cilkay | Thank you. |
| 23:04.33 | thiago_home | cilkay: now file them so that the developers know about it and do something about it. |
| 23:04.59 | thiago_home | it may seem obvious to you, but the fact that it isn't there usually proves that it isn't obvious to the developers. |
| 23:05.05 | thiago_home | otherwise, it would be there :-) |
| 23:05.24 | cilkay | I doubt it. I think it's just a case of focusing on the wrong things. |
| 23:05.42 | Half-Left | :O |
| 23:05.46 | cilkay | There seems to have been a tremendous amount of resources devoted to visual effects. |
| 23:05.54 | thiago_home | cilkay: different developers. |
| 23:05.59 | cilkay | But, it's open source. They can focus on whatever they like. |
| 23:06.00 | Half-Left | That's the common myth |
| 23:06.04 | Torch | cilkay: now you're just talking rubbish, not playing devil's advocate. |
| 23:06.05 | thiago_home | cilkay: some developers care about visual effects, some others care about other things. |
| 23:06.24 | thiago_home | cilkay: and, of course, visual effects are appealing to developers because they can easily show the feature and brag about it. |
| 23:06.49 | thiago_home | cilkay: improving the backend code and adding obscure features doesn't attract new developers |
| 23:07.23 | cilkay | I'm curious, where is the ability to rotate a "plasmoid" 45 degrees useful? |
| 23:07.47 | thiago_home | cilkay: that's complete eye-candy |
| 23:08.09 | thiago_home | like I said, visual effects attract people because they're visually appealing and easy to brag about. |
| 23:08.13 | cilkay | But is there any use for it other than to show that it can done? |
| 23:08.24 | cilkay | I don't even understand how it's visually appealing? |
| 23:08.26 | Half-Left | Does there have to be? |
| 23:08.44 | cilkay | Yes. Form follows function. |
| 23:08.44 | thiago_home | cilkay: well... you could be on the space shuttle and your computer could be tilted. |
| 23:08.51 | cilkay | LOL |
| 23:08.53 | thiago_home | or you could be tired and your head starts leaning to the side :-P |
| 23:09.01 | Half-Left | Cool looking is appealing |
| 23:09.11 | cilkay | If you're 14... |
| 23:09.16 | thiago_home | cilkay: trust me, we've had lots of fun trying to come up with use-cases for 45-degree rotating widgets. |
| 23:09.19 | Half-Left | Thats whyMicrosoft do it |
| 23:09.24 | thiago_home | 45-degree rotated text... |
| 23:09.26 | Half-Left | And it works |
| 23:09.49 | sobczyk | wow I didn't notice that rotation feature :D though everything other than multiple of 90 degrees looks awful |
| 23:10.28 | thiago_home | now try a 135-degree rotated analog clock |
| 23:10.32 | cilkay | Looks fine here. |
| 23:10.39 | thiago_home | that's not just usless, that's plainly confusing :-P |
| 23:10.53 | cilkay | Maybe it's a Russian clock. :) |
| 23:11.10 | cilkay | I know they have some unusual, even strange to non-Russians, clock. |
| 23:11.17 | Half-Left | It's called fun, some people forget that the desktop can be fun |
| 23:11.32 | Half-Left | It's not all work |
| 23:11.44 | sreich | I commonly rotate my physical, analog clocks to some amount of random degrees.. just to keep people on their toes ;-) |
| 23:11.57 | Torch | i remember being impressed with it when i first saw it in a screencast by aseigo |
| 23:12.20 | Torch | so it did what it was supposed to do, at least for me: provide bling, impress people, sell them kde4 |
| 23:12.48 | Torch | i also not even once felt the need to rotate a plasmoid ;-) |
| 23:12.51 | cilkay | FudCon is in my city this year. I might go because I know aseigo and other KDE people will be there. |
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| 23:15.24 | cilkay | For all I know, all this is a moot point in 4.3. I just have no good way of trying 4.3 and no, ArchLinux or other third tier distros aren't an option for me. |
| 23:15.42 | Half-Left | One of the goals of KDE4 was to make it look astetically attractive actually, so yeah a lot of efford was put in for that |
| 23:15.57 | Half-Left | effort* |
| 23:16.03 | cilkay | KDE 3.5 was quite attractive I think. |
| 23:16.39 | Half-Left | Not really, if you ask me and I go for that sort of thing |
| 23:16.49 | sreich | for it's early time I suppose... |
| 23:16.53 | Torch | cilkay: it did. in 2002. |
| 23:17.08 | cilkay | It looks fine even today. |
| 23:17.12 | sreich | the times are a' changin' |
| 23:17.30 | Half-Left | 90's are out |
| 23:17.34 | cilkay | ... for the worse, if we're going to base things on stupid eye candy |
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| 23:17.47 | Half-Left | it's very important |
| 23:18.07 | sahko | cilkay: disabling eye candy is 1 click away |
| 23:18.08 | sreich | cilkay: so you don't like aesthetics anywhere? |
| 23:18.30 | cilkay | sreich: So, do you beat your wife often? :) |
| 23:18.50 | Half-Left | Try telling that to Ferrari :) |
| 23:19.15 | cilkay | didn't get that one |
| 23:19.15 | sreich | cilkay: ... |
| 23:19.57 | cilkay | BTW, I don't have "eye candy" enabled. Compiz and all that is disabled on my machine. |
| 23:20.02 | Half-Left | People wouldn't buy Ferraris' if they were ugly, put it that way |
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| 23:20.50 | Half-Left | Yeah good for you, but do you have a point? |
| 23:21.04 | sahko | they dont buy them cause beaty is all they got either |
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| 23:21.14 | Torch | cilkay: apart from "i don't need it so it should not be developed"? |
| 23:21.24 | cilkay | They buy them because they have more money than sense. :) |
| 23:21.56 | sreich | they don't buy them because it looks like a hurst, that is for certain... |
| 23:21.57 | Half-Left | sahko: That's what makes a Ferrari, beauty and design, it must look good. |
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| 23:22.36 | Half-Left | hahaha |
| 23:22.52 | cilkay | Torch: No, not at all. I think when you have features and apps that existed in 3.5.9 that still don't exist in 4.2, expending effort on bling is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. |
| 23:23.12 | Torch | cilkay: those are not the same people |
| 23:23.15 | Torch | cilkay: the point is moot |
| 23:23.20 | cilkay | So you said. |
| 23:23.54 | Half-Left | cilkay: Any point to your dying conversation? |
| 23:24.20 | cilkay | Half-Left: any point to your question? |
| 23:24.38 | Half-Left | Yep, ended |
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| 23:26.16 | cilkay | So, the upshot of all this is that there is apparently no way to increase the size of a "plasmoid" in the panel. |
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| 23:27.59 | pusling | cilkay: 'the size' ? |
| 23:28.05 | cilkay | The width. |
| 23:28.20 | pusling | they take up the size they need. |
| 23:28.23 | cilkay | Just like you could in 3.5x by dragging it to make it wider. |
| 23:28.26 | Zach_the_Lizard | not always |
| 23:28.29 | cilkay | No, they don't. |
| 23:28.41 | Zach_the_Lizard | I've had glitches with plasmoids that cause them not to take up what they need |
| 23:28.41 | Half-Left | KDE3 was totoally different |
| 23:29.00 | cilkay | A news ticker that is about 80px wide isn't very useful. I can read parts of word as they scroll by. |
| 23:29.07 | cilkay | *words |
| 23:29.23 | pusling | Zach_the_Lizard: then it is a bug. |
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| 23:30.18 | Zach_the_Lizard | I've had it happen with the Kubuntu 9.10 RC and the system clock in KDE 4.3 |
| 23:30.27 | Zach_the_Lizard | but it could be a fault in Kubuntu, not kDE |
| 23:30.36 | Half-Left | cilkay: Do you use KDE4.2 by any chance? |
| 23:30.50 | cilkay | Yes, as I mentioned above, on Fedora 11. |
| 23:31.50 | Zach_the_Lizard | You might want to upgrade to 4.3 |
| 23:31.50 | Half-Left | IN KDE4.3 widgets have been improve greatly in the panel |
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| 23:31.50 | cilkay | That sounds fantastic but unless there is a package for it, I have no choice but to wait. Running another distro isn't an option. |
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| 23:31.50 | Half-Left | Most can iconify |
| 23:32.14 | Half-Left | Fedora 11 has KDE 4.3 on the updates |
| 23:32.25 | Zach_the_Lizard | at the very worst you'd have to build it from source |
| 23:32.25 | cilkay | Really? |
| 23:32.32 | Half-Left | So you're lucky |
| 23:32.37 | cilkay | Do I have to specify it as 4.3? |
| 23:32.46 | cilkay | IOW, it's not an upgrade to 4.2? |
| 23:32.51 | Half-Left | No, it's just in the normal updates |
| 23:33.07 | Half-Left | They did it with F10 as well |
| 23:33.10 | cilkay | looking |
| 23:33.30 | Half-Left | And they updated some other KDE stuff |
| 23:34.03 | Half-Left | Like Konversation |
| 23:34.08 | Torch | cilkay: sorting profiles in konsole will still not work with 4.3, though ;-) |
| 23:34.57 | Zach_the_Lizard | that seems like something that should be relatively easy to patch |
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| 23:35.30 | Torch | Zach_the_Lizard: the konsole authors disable the buttons with a TODO comment to re-enable them once the functionality is there. |
| 23:35.37 | Torch | would have made them invisible... |
| 23:35.59 | cilkay | Torch: I noticed something in the text files representing the profiles that looked like it should be a sort field but changing it hasn't had any effect. |
| 23:36.10 | Zach_the_Lizard | maybe I'll take a look at it |
| 23:37.07 | Half-Left | cilkay: KDE 4.3.1 in fact, you should ask about it in #fedora-kde if needed. |
| 23:37.40 | cilkay | I see it. I wonder why it isn't flagged as an update. |
| 23:38.08 | Torch | cilkay: probably because it's entirely unsupported... |
| 23:38.21 | Half-Left | it is supported |
| 23:38.26 | Torch | Half-Left: oh, okay. |
| 23:38.51 | Half-Left | it comes with the stable version of the distro, just as a update |
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| 23:40.44 | cilkay | As "stable" as any Fedora distro can be :) |
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| 23:41.16 | Half-Left | Slightly bleeding |
| 23:41.48 | Half-Left | With rare bits :p |
| 23:41.58 | Zach_the_Lizard | Gentoo is totally bleeding |
| 23:43.05 | Half-Left | Only if you unmask stuff yeah, other than that it's not that upto date |
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| 23:43.36 | Half-Left | Depends how you like your cuts :p |
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| 23:44.49 | cilkay | I use Fedora mostly because of Cobbler and FreeIPA, neither of which really run on anything but RHEL, CentOS, or Fedora. CentOS is a bit too long in the tooth for me so Fedora it is. I also use Kubuntu Hardy, which is all right but it doesn't have the level of polish as say, Mandriva. |
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| 23:45.28 | Zach_the_Lizard | I enjoy Mandriva |
| 23:45.39 | cilkay | I was a Mandriva user for a long time and contributed stuff too but I gave up on it because that company just doesn't seem to have a clue about how to build a community. |
| 23:46.26 | cilkay | Their commitment to open source seems half-hearted to me. |
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