| 00:01.45 | MinceR | why not convert them to png? :> |
| 00:01.47 | TheWoozle | We've solved that part of the problem by converting all the BMPs to PNGs. Now, maybe there's some alternative wallpaper-slideshow widget which has a non-random mode... |
| 00:02.21 | sreich | yeah, bmp sucks |
| 00:05.09 | TheWoozle | Does anyone know, perhaps, where the desktop plasmoid settings are kept? |
| 00:06.04 | troy | TheWoozle: ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* |
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| 00:06.44 | TheWoozle | Thanks... maybe there will be an undocumented setting or something... |
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| 00:07.20 | sreich | doubtful |
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| 00:08.08 | sreich | if there's a setting, it's visible by the ui..we don't like hidden settings |
| 00:08.23 | Oleg_ | People, I am having a problem with kde 4.3.3 when I connect my computer to my TV. Fonts in kde appear extremely tiny when I use my TV as a monitor. |
| 00:09.16 | Oleg_ | Fonts look normal when the computer is connected to a regular momitot |
| 00:09.21 | Oleg_ | monitor |
| 00:09.29 | TheWoozle | streich: So, why would the developers *remove* a setting which used to be there? |
| 00:10.13 | Oleg_ | Fonts in xfce are normal no matter what I use as a monitor |
| 00:11.05 | mateo | test |
| 00:11.33 | wvmac | Oleg_: i have the same problem. increasing font sizes helped some, but I still had small fonts in yast. |
| 00:11.35 | Oleg_ | so, to summarize what I said, fonts in kde are normal when the comp is connected to the 19-inch monitor. |
| 00:11.59 | wvmac | gnome did a little better |
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| 00:12.43 | sreich | TheWoozle: because of the move kde3->kde4, kicker/kdesktop has been replaced by plasma(a new technology) |
| 00:12.51 | sreich | i.e. written from scratch |
| 00:13.18 | TheWoozle | Meh. Ok. So my best option is probably to file a feature request on the bug tracker? |
| 00:14.08 | TheWoozle | (And they will probably get around to putting it back in at just about the time when Plasma is replaced by something else...) |
| 00:14.24 | sreich | TheWoozle: please don't act like a troll... |
| 00:14.38 | sreich | plasma is meant to withstand the test of time, wrt technology |
| 00:14.39 | TheWoozle | I'm sorry, I'm just frustrated. |
| 00:14.54 | Oleg_ | why does kde have this problem when connected to my 32-inch TV? |
| 00:14.56 | sreich | the *best* option would be to write the code yourself ;) |
| 00:15.02 | sreich | TheWoozle: but yes, file a wish. |
| 00:15.03 | TheWoozle | And it's not like we had much choice whether to use Plasma; when you upgrade, it's what you get. |
| 00:15.14 | sreich | TheWoozle: why would there be a choice? |
| 00:15.33 | TheWoozle | I'd love to rewrite the code myself (I do know C++ reasonably well), but am baffled by the complexity of the whole system and don't know where to start. |
| 00:15.48 | sreich | TheWoozle: meh, it's pretty easy to start.. |
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| 00:16.09 | TheWoozle | Why should it be a choice? You implied (I thought) that it was kind of experimental, so I should put up with it as the price of admission. |
| 00:16.28 | pinotree | he didn't say at all it was experimental |
| 00:17.03 | TheWoozle | I'm not sure what he meant by "withstand the test of time", then. |
| 00:17.15 | pinotree | s/test/rest/, call it typo |
| 00:17.25 | TheWoozle | It's not withstanding the test of early impressions, at this point. |
| 00:18.18 | sreich | TheWoozle: rewrite something from scratch, and explain to us why there are some features that are not completed |
| 00:18.28 | sreich | kicker was discarded because it was impossible to maintain. |
| 00:18.45 | TheWoozle | Okay. Tell me where I find the source code for this particular module, and I'll see if I can make head or tail of it. |
| 00:18.46 | sreich | just becoming a big monstrosity |
| 00:19.02 | sreich | TheWoozle: ok |
| 00:19.04 | TheWoozle | (I do understand maintainability issues.) |
| 00:19.32 | TheWoozle | (Also going a bit on adrenaline here, as client is very unhappy about the change.) |
| 00:19.42 | TheWoozle | (So I apologize for being snappish.) |
| 00:19.56 | sreich | TheWoozle: and also, we wanted plasma to serve many more areas than what anything else could have. case in point, there are now remote widgets, for example.. which was not remotely(no pun intended) possible with anything else |
| 00:20.06 | TheWoozle | nods |
| 00:20.39 | sreich | TheWoozle: /kdebase/workspace/plasma/generic/wallpapers/image/ |
| 00:21.37 | TheWoozle | From the user's perspective, though, it looks kind of baffling... they suddenly have to deal with this rather new way of doing things, and it looks like a rather transparent (pun unavoidable) attempt to mimic the latest Windows shininess... even though I understand KDE has actually been taking the lead somewhat in this department (i.e. Windows copying KDE shininess rather than the other way around). |
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| 00:22.31 | TheWoozle | And the source code path: I use svn or something to access that? (Learning how to use svn is one of the learning-curve obstacles to doing any rewriting, here.) |
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| 00:23.22 | sreich | TheWoozle: yeah, but you can just use the anonymous mirror, and submit patch(es) |
| 00:23.39 | sreich | TheWoozle: websvn.kde.org is also so you can browse around, without needing svn |
| 00:23.45 | TheWoozle | ok, so I need to "man svn" and RTFM... |
| 00:23.54 | TheWoozle | Ah, web interface. Good. |
| 00:24.03 | pinotree | or to take a look at techbase.kde.org |
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| 00:24.15 | sreich | yes, many helpful articles there...many many. |
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| 00:27.39 | sreich | well actually, there should be wallpaper plugins somewhere. can't find them though.. |
| 00:29.11 | TheWoozle | image.cpp looks like the main code file. |
| 00:29.17 | sreich | yeah |
| 00:30.12 | sreich | aah, here we are... |
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| 00:30.50 | TheWoozle | runs kde-svn... |
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| 00:32.05 | sreich | TheWoozle: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/WallpaperHelloWorld |
| 00:32.27 | TheWoozle | That sounds very useful. |
| 00:33.20 | kde185 | I'm unable to checkout qt-copy with kdesvn-build it gives me: "Can't checkout qt-copy: No such file or directory at ./kdesvn-build line 2022". Does anyone know how to get this to work? |
| 00:33.32 | sreich | kde185: qt-copy is deprecated |
| 00:33.44 | sreich | use git's kde-qt |
| 00:34.21 | kde185 | sreich: I was under the impression that kdesvn-build supported kde-qt using git |
| 00:34.39 | sreich | it does |
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| 00:36.16 | TheWoozle | kde-svn seems to be hanging trying to load http://svn.kde.org (which was entirely a guess on my part anyway) -- is that the wrong way to access it? |
| 00:36.23 | sreich | yes |
| 00:36.29 | TheWoozle | Yay. |
| 00:36.45 | pinotree | you didn't read the instructions on techbase, did you? :) |
| 00:36.45 | kde185 | sreich: so is there something I'm doing wrong? |
| 00:37.00 | sreich | kde185: yes, you aren't using kde-qt. |
| 00:37.11 | TheWoozle | I started reading them, but didn't see anything about svn. If it includes that, then I will go and continue RingTFM. |
| 00:37.31 | sreich | TheWoozle: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Sources/Using_Subversion_with_KDE |
| 00:37.35 | pinotree | like in getting started â anonymous suversion? |
| 00:37.39 | TheWoozle | O wait, I started reading the tutorial, not the techbase... |
| 00:37.40 | sreich | 2 clicks away, from the home page |
| 00:37.42 | TheWoozle | My bad. |
| 00:38.09 | TheWoozle | puts on a t-shirt that says Easily Confused, Please Spoon-Feed |
| 00:38.33 | TheWoozle | gets out a spoon and starts reading techbase |
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| 00:39.07 | sreich | hm..still can't find where the regular wallpaper plugins are, like e.g. mandelbrot, slideshow, regular |
| 00:39.31 | pinotree | mandelbot is in addons |
| 00:40.05 | sreich | oh, thought it was shipped regularly |
| 00:40.14 | pinotree | kdeplasma-addons |
| 00:40.24 | sreich | yeah |
| 00:40.43 | pinotree | it is shipped regularly :) |
| 00:40.58 | sreich | :) |
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| 00:41.39 | kde185 | sreich: ok this isn't making sense. Do I need to build kde-qt manually? If so then what is the point of kdesvn-build having git support |
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| 00:42.19 | sreich | kde185: no. kdesvn-build has git support, for kde-qt. Which is great, because that's what you are supposed to use, is kde-qt. |
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| 00:42.33 | sreich | you mentioned problems with qt-copy, which is deprecated - don't use that. |
| 00:42.37 | sreich | kde-qt != qt-copy |
| 00:43.28 | kde185 | sreich: so is kde-qt a whole new module I need to build? I assume I would have to make an entry into the config file about it |
| 00:43.39 | sreich | pinotree: do you know how to get colored, e.g. red text in the wiki? |
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| 00:45.06 | sreich | kde185: that, I do not know. |
| 00:45.47 | kde185 | sreich: ok |
| 00:46.23 | kde185 | does anyone else know how to use kde-qt with kdesvn-build? |
| 00:49.39 | TheWoozle | (Umm... I guess creating an account on techbase is not the same as creating an svn account?) |
| 00:49.47 | sreich | TheWoozle: no |
| 00:49.57 | pinotree | you don't need an svn account to checkout the code |
| 00:50.00 | sreich | TheWoozle: you do not need an svn account to (a) checkout the code |
| 00:50.08 | TheWoozle | Yeah, I know, but I thought I should go ahead and do this right. |
| 00:50.12 | sreich | and (b) submit a patch to the mailing list |
| 00:50.24 | sreich | TheWoozle: I advise against it, unless you plan on being a regular contributor |
| 00:51.04 | TheWoozle | Well... if I ever *do* actually figure this stuff out, I'll probably be making little fixes and improvements (imho) all over the place... but I don't know if that will actually happen. |
| 00:51.06 | maazu | times up |
| 00:51.07 | TheWoozle | So, ok, anonymous. |
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| 00:51.10 | sreich | TheWoozle: either way, your changes will have to be checked over, to make sure you didn't screw anything up, etc. |
| 00:51.16 | TheWoozle | goes back to reading |
| 00:51.23 | TheWoozle | (Right, I assumed that.) |
| 00:51.43 | sreich | TheWoozle: well, "little fixes" and such, you can just submit those in patch forum either on the mailing lists, or on reviewboard.kde.org |
| 00:51.56 | TheWoozle | Hmm, okay. |
| 00:52.05 | sreich | so you don't have to feel obligated to do everything yourself, if you just want to help a little here and there |
| 00:52.22 | TheWoozle | I'm just trying to find the path of least resistance. |
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| 00:52.49 | TheWoozle | ...and my head works best with graphical tools, while submitting diff patches and such is more cli... |
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| 00:53.52 | sreich | TheWoozle: not really. And I find your feelings completely understandable. |
| 00:54.03 | sreich | kdesvn (the gui for svn), works perfectly for all of that |
| 00:54.18 | TheWoozle | Ok, good. |
| 00:54.20 | sreich | and reviewboard.kde.org is a better frontend for the mailing list, as it's more..automated, and intuitive |
| 00:54.27 | sreich | it's pretty looking too.. |
| 00:54.32 | TheWoozle | Yay. |
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| 00:56.45 | TheWoozle | I *think* I'm following the instructions, but apparently I'm still not doing something right; kde-svn says "OPTIONS of 'https://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdevelop': could not connect to server (https://anonsvn.kde.org)" |
| 00:57.05 | pinotree | https with anonsvn? no |
| 00:57.22 | TheWoozle | Ok, I thought that's what it said to use always... unless I'm doing ssh+svn... |
| 00:57.26 | pinotree | no |
| 00:57.48 | TheWoozle | So, http:? |
| 00:57.52 | pinotree | https and ssh+svn are *only* for authenticated accounts (not for anonsvn) |
| 00:57.55 | pinotree | no, svn |
| 00:58.00 | TheWoozle | Okay... |
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| 00:58.56 | TheWoozle | It seemed like it was connecting, but now it seems to be hanging... |
| 00:59.17 | qupada | TheWoozle: I've seen that 'OPTIONS of <url>' issue before, from memory was an issue with some combination of svn and apr versions |
| 00:59.34 | TheWoozle | Maybe I should close and retry? |
| 01:00.06 | qupada | Or it might have been neon. One of the libraries subversion uses anyway |
| 01:00.08 | TheWoozle | Ack, when I pressed the [x] to close the app, suddenly everything appeared... (and then the window closed) |
| 01:00.27 | TheWoozle | So it may have actually been connected, and just needed to be prodded to redraw the display.' |
| 01:00.31 | TheWoozle | tries again... |
| 01:01.09 | TheWoozle | ...and now I have to bug out and attend to family duties. :-P |
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| 01:02.48 | qupada | Since I'm here, could someone try out a bug for me? I've found when using the 'box switch' effect for alt-tab with the 'highlight selected window' option enabled, when you have an even number of windows open, one of them will always be split 50/50 between the two ends of the window. If that window is a video or something you can notice updating in the thumbnail, only the half at the right end of the switcher updates, the half at the left end freeze-frames |
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| 01:05.35 | qupada | wait sorry, option is called 'animate walk through windows', had that wrong in my head |
| 01:05.39 | reagleBRKLN | I set my home page in Konq and then save the session as the default web. But it doesn't remember the size? How can I set the size of the newly launched Konq? |
| 01:08.19 | Pygmalion | qupada: Same here |
| 01:09.29 | reagleBRKLN | Pygmalion: u talking to me? :) |
| 01:10.18 | Pygmalion | No qupada found some bug in window switching and I was checking if I had it too, don't use konq sorry |
| 01:10.27 | reagleBRKLN | ah |
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| 01:13.08 | qupada | Pygmalion: Thanks for checking that |
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| 01:24.53 | boknoy | hi all, is there a plasmoid that checks debian updates? |
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| 01:27.11 | Werenerd | Good Evening All, does anyone know if KDM can show if a person is already logged in OR limit a user to only on session? My wife keeps having multiple sessions. |
| 01:27.42 | sreich | Werenerd: how does she do that? |
| 01:28.20 | Werenerd | She just clicks on her name on KDM and types in her password. Starts a new session. |
| 01:28.44 | sreich | but how does she get out of the session after that? |
| 01:29.42 | Werenerd | I usually come in and hit CTRL+ALT+F7 to get to my session. She comes in and somehow starts another session. |
| 01:29.58 | sreich | hehe |
| 01:30.13 | Werenerd | I have showed her how to switch user from the menu, but alas I don't think she listens to me |
| 01:30.41 | Werenerd | I know GDM does this, but I just don't want any more GNOME stuff than I need installed on here. |
| 01:31.08 | sreich | yeah, gdm sucks too |
| 01:31.22 | sreich | I know, because I have it installed... |
| 01:31.31 | sreich | which I should install kdm back again...well, make it work.. |
| 01:32.07 | Werenerd | I find it works well enough for the In-laws, but I prefer to keep a nice tidy QT machine. If you know what I mean. |
| 01:32.19 | sreich | yeah, definitely |
| 01:32.30 | sreich | is ashamed to be forced to use firefox.. |
| 01:33.02 | Pygmalion | Ah hate the terrible KDE integration of it almost as much as I hate it being the best browser there is IMO |
| 01:33.12 | sreich | yeah |
| 01:33.24 | wvmac | do you like chrome |
| 01:33.26 | qupada | I would use chromium if it wasn't for the lack of any kind of security extensions for it |
| 01:33.41 | qupada | there are things that I simply will not use internet sites without |
| 01:33.42 | sreich | yes, I use chromium, but it still needs some work done |
| 01:34.04 | sreich | e.g. I can't watch music videos in it, because it's depressing when you are in the mood of the song, then it crashes the tab half way through :/ |
| 01:34.17 | Werenerd | I would use Arora (sp?) but there are no extentions available for it |
| 01:34.24 | Pygmalion | Chrome seems decent, but missing tons of stuff thhat Firefox has (not just stuff you need extensions for, even uninstalling an extension seems impossible to do easily) |
| 01:34.33 | wvmac | arora crashes too often for me |
| 01:34.42 | Werenerd | I tried to like Konq, but Firefox is just so much darn better. |
| 01:34.54 | sreich | yes, same experience here |
| 01:35.09 | Pygmalion | Yeah kinda sucks, and every time firefox-qt is started again it seems to just get forgotten about a week later |
| 01:35.18 | oneforall | darn konqs froze up again |
| 01:35.46 | oneforall | can't handle all that porn Iguess :( |
| 01:35.48 | oneforall | :) |
| 01:36.08 | sreich | yeah, it isn't good for porn. |
| 01:36.17 | wvmac | firefox is notifying a finished download in the kde notifications. so it is getting there, just slowly |
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| 01:36.35 | sreich | wvmac: yeah, but I would love full KIO integration |
| 01:36.43 | boknoy | hi guys, any plasmoid showing debian updates? |
| 01:36.46 | sreich | which I imagine could be possible with some dbus magic, perhaps.. |
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| 01:37.04 | Pygmalion | OpenSuse has a kinda KDE-integrated firefox, but it's apparently a load of hacky patches moreso than proper integration |
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| 01:37.12 | sreich | yeah |
| 01:37.28 | oneforall | I turned off that kicker( panel notification) I'll stick tot he normal ones .they don't get in the way |
| 01:37.49 | sreich | s/kicker/plasma/ |
| 01:37.55 | wvmac | i really like the kde notifications, especailly for kopete |
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| 01:38.03 | sreich | yeah, same |
| 01:38.10 | sreich | they are a godsend, that no other platform seems to have |
| 01:38.17 | sreich | absolutely *love* the KIO notificatiosn now |
| 01:38.21 | sreich | it makes downloading files fun ;-) |
| 01:38.23 | javier_ | Pygmalion: KDE/Firefox integration has improved http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCt6BzFiDts |
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| 01:38.41 | wvmac | true. windows has nothing like it, os x with growl is close but still lags behind |
| 01:39.07 | oneforall | well I think I just turned of the one for downloads . it piled up gets in the way always on top can't move . So off it went :) |
| 01:39.10 | sreich | heh, yeah, windows is eons behind it |
| 01:39.12 | oneforall | of/off |
| 01:39.21 | sreich | oneforall: that's why you click the (i) |
| 01:39.25 | reagleBRKLN | I can't open a img with gqview from dolphin, "invalid or ignored: file:///foo..." |
| 01:39.26 | sreich | it hides them |
| 01:39.57 | Pygmalion | javier_: Nice, especially that the "Open with..." thing lets you actually choose from the menu instead of giving absolute path to every app |
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| 01:40.12 | javier_ | yes :-) |
| 01:40.14 | wvmac | plasma is so flexible it is scary to think what type of interface you can copy/create with it |
| 01:40.23 | oneforall | sreich thats still to annoying whe your doing drag drop in a nice flow. the normal popups rarely get in the eay. as soon as you grab they go to the bg |
| 01:40.26 | javier_ | no more gtk file selector on ff |
| 01:40.32 | qupada | javier_: wow, it looks like they've even fixed the horrible mess that gtk-qt-engine makes of the scrollbars |
| 01:40.34 | boknoy | wvmac, an interface with a globe for a wallpaper! ;D |
| 01:40.36 | oneforall | eay/way |
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| 01:41.00 | boknoy | plasma beats active desktop by a long shot. |
| 01:41.02 | sreich | qupada: oh yeah, I hate the scrollbars.. |
| 01:41.07 | javier_ | yes, and the icons are oxygen-ish |
| 01:41.09 | sreich | haha, active desktop. |
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| 01:41.51 | boknoy | I tried AD before, but I just couldn't grasp an internet page for a wallpaper. :\ |
| 01:42.00 | boknoy | it felt... weird. |
| 01:42.07 | wvmac | what was the point |
| 01:42.22 | sreich | not to mention activedesktop is 1 feature, that is severely limited |
| 01:42.34 | Pygmalion | Now just need to know when Kubuntu will follow OpenSuse's lead rather than requiring me to build it |
| 01:42.40 | sreich | even windows 7's copy of plasma, is severely lacking |
| 01:42.54 | Pygmalion | Although apparently some of the patches require other OpenSuse patches and stuff |
| 01:42.58 | oneforall | yeah seamonkey and ff I hate the gtk browse to save a file. ff I hate the auto desktop save like winblows. :) so when I save I only like 2 ways konq file mode drag drop , wget ;) |
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| 01:44.38 | reagleBRKLN | the -r argument of 'gqview -r %F' was the serious problem in the file associations |
| 01:45.18 | oneforall | sf.net I hate what they did with the downloads. It to much lie what win would do. They don't work with wget because of the =? crap so cli(konsole) have to use lynx or links to have it save with the right name etc |
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| 01:45.32 | boknoy | sreich, I haven't tried Windows 7 yet. but as I said, plasma > active desktop :D |
| 01:45.33 | oneforall | lie/like |
| 01:45.47 | javier_ | we also have konqui/webkit mode :-D |
| 01:46.04 | boknoy | javier_, iirc, you have to compile htat |
| 01:46.10 | Sir_Konrad | is away. He'll be back later. |
| 01:46.35 | javier_ | boknoy: well I guess it depends on the packages provided by your distro |
| 01:46.55 | javier_ | I didn't have to compile it |
| 01:46.57 | oneforall | sreich I wonder if m$ would deny its even a copy :) |
| 01:46.57 | boknoy | javier_, oooh... I see, is it any better? khtml seems to fail on most pages. |
| 01:47.19 | oneforall | I hate when they use stuff and people think its them that invented it all |
| 01:47.29 | javier_ | boknoy: yes, it is. especially when the javascript doesn't work on konqui |
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| 01:47.33 | sreich | yeah, same here, except that applies to everything |
| 01:47.47 | boknoy | oneforall, they did invent the user interface! :lol: |
| 01:47.49 | oneforall | pretty much |
| 01:47.53 | sreich | with OSx (whatever version, I don't know..snoe leopard I guess), they have "spaces" feature. |
| 01:48.05 | sreich | which is what linux has had for *years*, virtual desktops |
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| 01:48.14 | oneforall | lol yeah |
| 01:48.15 | boknoy | javier_, oh... I see, what's your distro btw? |
| 01:48.25 | javier_ | boknoy: openSUSE 11.1 |
| 01:48.32 | boknoy | sreich, 10.5 |
| 01:48.36 | asdfasdfasdf | hello im using amarok2 with last,fm plugin, everytime i start amrok kde wallet asks me for a master password (this happens since i added my last fm usrname and pswd to last.fm plugin). how cna i stop this? i find quite annoying to have to type a pasword to listen to your music :) |
| 01:48.38 | sreich | everybody is probably like "omg that is the best feature ever apple is so good and smart" |
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| 01:48.57 | sreich | if we had the marketing money that they did.. |
| 01:49.00 | sreich | s/did/do/ |
| 01:49.07 | asdfasdfasdf | oh no apple vs linux flame war |
| 01:49.12 | oneforall | I got in an arguement with an old guy at walmart about ie coming up with tabs. I said no f..g way its been in linux for years and even m$ you could have used ff/seamonkey/netscape years ago and had tabs :) |
| 01:49.17 | boknoy | javier_, dang, I have to compile my own. |
| 01:49.17 | asdfasdfasdf | sits and watches |
| 01:49.36 | javier_ | boknoy: are you sure there are no packages? |
| 01:49.46 | boknoy | i don't think so... i'm on debian sid. |
| 01:50.00 | sreich | oneforall: hehe |
| 01:50.04 | sreich | asdfasdfasdf: huh? flame war? |
| 01:50.08 | javier_ | debian? they probably have it. |
| 01:50.10 | boknoy | i have arora anyway... :) |
| 01:50.19 | asdfasdfasdf | sreich, joking :) |
| 01:52.04 | javier_ | boknoy: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/kpart-webkit |
| 01:52.17 | javier_ | i think that's what you need to install |
| 01:52.59 | boknoy | javier_, oooooooooh! I was looking at an ITP mentioning webkitkde and konq-plugin-kde. That's why I can't find it. >.# |
| 01:53.09 | boknoy | javier_, thanks btw, I'll try it. |
| 01:53.11 | javier_ | arora is not bad either, but konqui is konqui ;-) |
| 01:53.21 | javier_ | np |
| 01:54.27 | Pygmalion | asdfasdfasdf: Perhaps if you remove the password from the wallet it won't ask you? But other than that can't see any way to do it |
| 01:54.33 | boknoy | javier_, I like konqui because it's got lots and lots of features (some which aren't even supposed to be in an fm/web browser) |
| 01:55.00 | javier_ | yeah, it's quite useful |
| 01:55.14 | Pygmalion | The passwords are encrypted with that pass so there's no way to get at them without it (storing the pass in any unencrypted way locally removes all the security anyway) |
| 01:55.42 | boknoy | javier_, most kde apps are ; ) |
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| 01:56.20 | javier_ | yeap, :-) |
| 01:56.58 | boknoy | javier_, like ktorrent being able to search torrents haha |
| 01:57.00 | javier_ | that reminds me that kde 4.3.1 doesn't tell you the speed when downloading/copying a file |
| 01:57.23 | javier_ | and adding custom torrent search engines :) |
| 01:57.47 | boknoy | javier_, not sure, but I only noticed the notification with dolphin. haven't tried copying with konq yet though... |
| 01:58.09 | boknoy | btw guys, know any plasmoids that checks how many updates there are on debian? |
| 01:58.22 | sreich | javier_: I already told you it did |
| 01:58.25 | sreich | (was it you?) |
| 01:58.36 | javier_ | hmm nope, it wasn't me |
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| 02:00.24 | sreich | javier_: it does when copying folders, downloading files. Not sure about copying 1 file |
| 02:00.28 | sreich | but I imagine it is the same |
| 02:00.59 | sreich | javier_: so I'm not sure why you think it doesn't show the speeds |
| 02:01.09 | sreich | because it says MB (or KB) /s |
| 02:02.31 | boknoy | sreich, I noticed that when copying files from dolphin, it just shows a notification with a bar and the text "copying n files", no speed there |
| 02:02.33 | javier_ | it doesn't in my case |
| 02:02.47 | javier_ | maybe the text is the same colour as the popup? |
| 02:03.22 | boknoy | javier_, maybe... |
| 02:03.24 | sreich | the speed is above the bar, when copying files |
| 02:04.04 | Pygmalion | There's a little arrow to expand methinks |
| 02:04.31 | Pygmalion | Once you click on the i |
| 02:04.38 | boknoy | I haven't had a file big enough to take more than 5 seconds to copy, so I couldn't really notice if there was :lol: |
| 02:04.39 | sreich | Pygmalion: you mean the "More:" |
| 02:04.42 | javier_ | it says 15 min remaning... |
| 02:04.44 | sreich | but no, that isn't required to see it |
| 02:04.58 | sreich | alright, I will copy some big folders just for you guys ;) |
| 02:05.01 | javier_ | if i click more 23.8 Mib/617.8 MiB |
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| 02:05.14 | javier_ | hehe ok sreich :) |
| 02:05.20 | Pygmalion | Yeha something like that, and wasn't ure if it was needed, haven't copied or moved any big stuff in a while |
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| 02:08.48 | boknoy | I see, you guys are right. I see it now |
| 02:10.18 | boknoy | using konqueror and webkit... so far so good |
| 02:10.43 | sreich | waits for his fucking internet connection to upload it.. |
| 02:10.47 | javier_ | it also crashes from time to time |
| 02:11.05 | javier_ | and it doesn't have smooth scrolling |
| 02:11.21 | javier_ | but you can't ask for everything |
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| 02:13.01 | sreich2 | I hate my connection.. |
| 02:13.04 | sreich2 | http://imagebin.ca/view/YR94XH.html |
| 02:13.08 | sreich2 | but I finally got it uploaded ) |
| 02:13.12 | sreich2 | :) |
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| 02:14.53 | Pygmalion | Everytime I use a non-FF browser I hate it, and the worst part is that I can never actually find a reason why |
| 02:15.07 | oneforall | why does that download notify have 2 progress bars too. . But that the one I turned off. it stays on top and drag drop its way to annoying for all the reasons I listed above :) |
| 02:15.23 | Pygmalion | Pages show up properly, flash and stuff work, downloads and stuff usually work even better than in FF and I still hate it |
| 02:16.05 | Pygmalion | sreich2: Nice music... but why is it in a folder called "Delete me" :( |
| 02:16.28 | javier_ | and ff is resource hungry |
| 02:16.33 | javier_ | unlike konqui |
| 02:16.51 | sreich2 | oneforall: 2 progressbars? |
| 02:17.00 | sreich2 | Pygmalion: thanks. haha, yeah..deleteme folder |
| 02:17.15 | oneforall | yeah the little blocks progress long one on top and short one on the bottom |
| 02:17.21 | javier_ | sreich2: instead of seeing the speed i get x MiB/total MiB |
| 02:17.24 | sreich2 | I needed that folder because I have been working on kdelibs/kio, and kdelibs/kdeui a ton, so I have had to just copy big folders to test it out |
| 02:17.34 | Sir_Konrad | is back! All systems are go! |
| 02:17.40 | oneforall | just under the more , thats a progress bar :) |
| 02:17.43 | javier_ | thanks for uploading, sreich2 |
| 02:18.21 | sreich2 | oneforall: oh. the one on top is for the total. Although it doesn't make sense to show it when there is only 1 job, imo. |
| 02:18.39 | sreich2 | no problem. |
| 02:18.49 | javier_ | sreich2: that icon looks like ff ripoff version :P |
| 02:19.03 | javier_ | j/k |
| 02:19.23 | sreich2 | javier_: which icon is that? |
| 02:19.24 | oneforall | ah. Like if there were a few downloads showing its the total for all then |
| 02:19.38 | sreich2 | oneforall: yeah, averages them together. |
| 02:19.38 | javier_ | sreich2: your ff icon |
| 02:19.52 | javier_ | is that iceweasel? |
| 02:20.02 | sreich2 | javier_: ah, thought that was what you were talking about. Yeah, it's the unbranded version. no, it's not iceweasel |
| 02:20.02 | oneforall | ah well was just curios, but I still like it off :) |
| 02:20.13 | sreich2 | just regular firefox afik..although it's called "shiretoko" |
| 02:20.24 | javier_ | ah interesting |
| 02:20.27 | sreich2 | no idea why archlinux calls it that, but whatever, the package name is still firefox |
| 02:20.43 | javier_ | i see |
| 02:21.06 | javier_ | iceweasel sounds good |
| 02:21.17 | oneforall | well if you make patches or change ff seamonky then you have to not use the offical-branding |
| 02:21.27 | sreich2 | yes, I know |
| 02:21.57 | oneforall | or you mean the weird name they picked :) |
| 02:22.19 | javier_ | kirefox |
| 02:22.46 | sreich2 | oneforall: yes |
| 02:22.48 | sreich2 | javier_: hehe |
| 02:22.58 | sreich2 | javier_: naw, that would be most fitting for a kde-integrated one. |
| 02:23.19 | javier_ | yes |
| 02:23.44 | javier_ | this reminds me of it looks like a duck, behaves like a duck... and it's not a duck |
| 02:24.29 | oneforall | thats one thing some sites don't work in all the browsers for dowmloading, when they have them blocked. its a thing of each one does what the other can't |
| 02:24.33 | sreich2 | the real question is; does it taste like a duck? |
| 02:25.41 | javier_ | hehe. i don't know yet |
| 02:26.02 | javier_ | oneforall: yeah, it sucks to browse the web with a unbranded ff :( |
| 02:26.18 | javier_ | but fortunately, there are plugins to change the browser identification |
| 02:27.14 | javier_ | right now i have konqui, ff, opera and arora |
| 02:27.52 | oneforall | hmm looking at ps ax I see a lot of the pages I closed aren't getting cleaned up. ps ax is stil showing them . i bet thats why konq is freezing up so much. |
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| 02:28.36 | oneforall | hmm I really don't care for opera . |
| 02:29.01 | oneforall | have no need for it anyways . never liked it in m$ many moons ago |
| 02:29.08 | javier_ | i have used it a couple of times |
| 02:29.17 | sreich2 | I could never bring myself to like it.. |
| 02:29.21 | oneforall | prefered netscape way back then |
| 02:29.32 | sreich2 | I don't know why, it feels like it is trying too hard on the UI glamour, but it sucks at it |
| 02:29.57 | sreich2 | yeah, I preferred netscape too a long time ago, before I used firefox (all of this was on windows..many years ago) |
| 02:30.15 | oneforall | well me I just never liked it yrs ago in m$ i liked nescape better and it was never worth the $ either. |
| 02:31.06 | oneforall | doesn't surprise me all the people complaing about the plugins not working well |
| 02:32.30 | oneforall | mozilla was Netscape's cousin was all i ever herd :) and they releases all the nescape code too iirc |
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| 02:37.43 | oneforall | darn kwin --replace isn't doing anything or plasma-desktop |
| 02:38.16 | oneforall | can't even do alt+tab to get my konsole window to the top etc |
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| 02:39.03 | oneforall | why is it drkonqi never wants to load |
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| 02:42.20 | oneforall | any ideas on how I can get my destop working again . did the plasma-desktop --display=0:0 & and the kwin --replace --display=0:0 & from cli |
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| 02:45.28 | sreich2 | btw, you only need --display :0 |
| 02:45.40 | sreich2 | from cli, try killing all of them |
| 02:45.44 | sreich2 | then restarting them |
| 02:45.47 | sreich2 | preferably from a VT |
| 02:46.34 | oneforall | can't even open a new konsole and the one I have open is in the bg. can't get it to the front :( |
| 02:46.57 | sreich2 | go to the virtual terminal |
| 02:46.59 | sreich2 | like i said |
| 02:47.12 | oneforall | yeah I killed all the plasma but not kwin . I guess since that a bit gone it wouldn't hurt |
| 02:47.14 | sreich2 | if not, you will have to exit out of all applications until konsole receives focus |
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| 02:49.36 | oneforall | virtual terminal as in konsole right ? |
| 02:49.53 | sreich2 | no... |
| 02:49.57 | sreich2 | as in linux virtual terminal |
| 02:50.03 | oneforall | alt+F2 doesn't work either |
| 02:50.03 | Pygmalion | oneforall: Ctrl+Alt+F1 |
| 02:50.11 | Pygmalion | Then Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back |
| 02:50.15 | oneforall | yeah thats what i mean by cli :) |
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| 02:50.45 | sreich2 | yes..but it resolves the problem of konsole not having focus.. |
| 02:51.09 | oneforall | well thats where I've been doing it since I can't get to konsole :0 |
| 02:51.12 | sreich2 | and by the way, you do not need the --display part, if you are in a konsole on that session...it is implied about what screen you are talking about |
| 02:51.27 | sreich2 | oh ok.. |
| 02:51.41 | oneforall | cli , the warp to console |
| 02:52.16 | oneforall | I usually say warp to dos to rub in you can't do that in win :) |
| 02:52.41 | sreich2 | cli == command line interface/shell, e.g. anything that can embed a terminal |
| 02:52.51 | sreich2 | like konsole, konsole plasmoid, virtual terminal, etc. |
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| 02:53.49 | d_garbage | Mandriva 2010.0, KDE4.3.2 > Hello, is there a way to lock/unlock widgets with a keyboard shortcut please? |
| 02:54.46 | troy | one time I restarted kwin my creating a plasma folder view for /usr/bin and selecting kwin that way... |
| 02:55.00 | sreich2 | d_garbage: yes. alt+d, L |
| 02:55.03 | d_garbage | desktop context menu says Alt+D, L but that appears to do nothing |
| 02:55.13 | sreich2 | it works on my system. |
| 02:55.26 | sreich2 | d_garbage: you do realize, it's alt+d, Release, then press L, correct? |
| 02:55.33 | sreich2 | (hence the comma) |
| 02:55.38 | sreich2 | (as opposed to a plus) |
| 02:55.44 | d_garbage | i shall try that |
| 02:55.44 | troy | maybe mandriva defined alt-d to be something else and it's not getting received by plasma... |
| 02:55.50 | oneforall | yeah but I've allways know cli as command line interface at console and vt as konsole eterm xterm at . console tty never think of it as vt |
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| 02:56.22 | oneforall | damn trying to save somethign here but kwin is pissing me off :( |
| 02:56.33 | troy | oneforall: you're correct on definition of 'vt' and 'tty', but cli is generic |
| 02:56.59 | sreich2 | yeah, I never use tty because it's more annoying to type |
| 02:57.00 | d_garbage | sreich2, excellent, it was just me, not understanding that notation/convention. Actually the shortcut work just fine. Thanks a lot, that's really helpful. |
| 02:57.10 | sreich2 | your welcome. |
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| 02:57.54 | oneforall | yeah |
| 02:58.39 | oneforall | darn neither wants to work |
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| 02:59.13 | sreich2 | oneforall: you are killing them first, right? |
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| 03:01.12 | roconnor | is it possible to use the kde system setting to configure one monitor to be right-of another monitor? |
| 03:02.18 | sreich2 | yes. I believe so. |
| 03:02.42 | roconnor | oh? |
| 03:02.46 | roconnor | I can't figure it out |
| 03:02.52 | roconnor | I've been using the xrandr command line |
| 03:03.12 | sreich2 | oh.. |
| 03:03.25 | sreich2 | system settings->Displays->Multiple Monitors |
| 03:03.29 | roconnor | hmm |
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| 03:03.47 | roconnor | my Multiple Monitors tab says it appears my system isn't configured for multiple monitors |
| 03:03.56 | catamarquence | what files do i have to copy to /etc/skel to make all users have the same theme and colors fonts wallpapers etc...? |
| 03:04.23 | oneforall | yeah kwin and plasma |
| 03:04.28 | sreich2 | roconnor: check your drivers I suppose... |
| 03:04.39 | roconnor | my drivers |
| 03:04.50 | roconnor | but I get multiple screens using xrandr just fine |
| 03:04.54 | sreich2 | my nvidia shit has multiple monitors set up. |
| 03:04.58 | roconnor | xrandr --output VGA1 --right-of LVDS1 |
| 03:05.08 | roconnor | oh |
| 03:05.15 | roconnor | so strange |
| 03:08.31 | catamarquence | no idea what files on my current user i have to copy to /etc/skel to make all users have the same look? |
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| 03:10.51 | catamarquence | pleeease help me out with thiss |
| 03:12.07 | oneforall | ah crap forgot to patch that stinking hal to put back ctrl+alt+backspace. |
| 03:15.32 | jedix | can't you just use k+some other keys? |
| 03:15.55 | jedix | k+alt+sysrq? |
| 03:15.58 | jedix | something like that |
| 03:16.09 | sreich2 | k? |
| 03:16.50 | jedix | I think so |
| 03:17.34 | jedix | alt-sysrq-r |
| 03:17.47 | jedix | I think it has to be left alt |
| 03:17.48 | oneforall | darn I really didn't want to have to restarx :( |
| 03:18.01 | sreich2 | yes, left alt. |
| 03:18.08 | sreich2 | btu that doesn't really help afik |
| 03:18.35 | jedix | why? what's the diff between ctrl+alt+backspace and left alt+sysrq+r |
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| 03:19.17 | sreich2 | former to kill X |
| 03:19.31 | sreich2 | latter (and a bunch of other subsequent keys) to kill kernel, and shutdown |
| 03:19.43 | jedix | really? I thought it killed only x |
| 03:19.49 | jedix | crazy |
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| 03:20.32 | jedix | oh |
| 03:20.36 | jedix | k kills z |
| 03:20.37 | jedix | err |
| 03:20.39 | jedix | kills x |
| 03:20.45 | sreich2 | jedix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 03:20.54 | jedix | Kill all processes on the current virtual console (Can be used to kill X and svgalib programs, see below) |
| 03:20.57 | jedix | This was originally designed to imitate a Secure Access Key |
| 03:21.02 | sreich2 | ah, i see |
| 03:21.04 | sreich2 | what combo is that again? |
| 03:21.16 | d_garbage | http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt ? |
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| 03:21.21 | jedix | left alt+sysrq+k |
| 03:21.33 | jedix | (on qwerty) |
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| 03:22.40 | asobi | 9.04 here. is there a way to show mp3 id tags in konqueror with a mouse hover like kde3? |
| 03:23.53 | jedix | dunno |
| 03:27.59 | jedix | is sysreq included in ubuntu by default then? |
| 03:28.16 | sreich2 | not that I know of |
| 03:33.26 | d_garbage | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:33.41 | d_garbage | "MagicSysRq keys for assistance with Ubuntu troubles" |
| 03:37.35 | jedix | I think it's on by default in 9.10 |
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| 03:40.14 | oneforall | alt+SysRq ? to be like the ctrl+alt+backspace ? |
| 03:40.32 | jedix | k |
| 03:40.35 | jedix | alt+sysrq+k |
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| 03:46.07 | oneforall | that doesn't work good :) hangs it with the blury rainbow of colors all streaked :) |
| 03:46.25 | oneforall | had to ssh in from my firewal box and startx & lol |
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| 03:46.37 | oneforall | ok when you have another box thou |
| 03:46.55 | oneforall | ctrl+alt+Fx and ctrl+c is better :) |
| 03:47.11 | oneforall | but the damn patch to that gay hal would be even better |
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| 03:47.59 | oneforall | only thing that suckjs about ctrl+alt_backspace is when you forget in kvm and use it O.o :) |
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| 03:57.35 | d_garbage | not sure if this is mandriva specific or xorg, but you need to hold <ctrl><alt> and tap <esc> twice now for it to work, once its enabled |
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| 04:23.20 | eqisow | Anybody know why alt+f2 might not be working in 4.3.2? missing package maybe? |
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| 04:24.17 | eqisow | (it shows as Alt+F2 in System Settings) |
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| 04:25.48 | d_garbage | eqisow, are you using compiz? |
| 04:26.30 | eqisow | nope, Kwin --> does it both with and without compositing enabled |
| 04:26.43 | d_garbage | ok |
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| 04:31.45 | troy | d_garbage: do other shortcuts work? (try CTRL-ESC) |
| 04:31.56 | troy | that should bring up task manager |
| 04:32.07 | troy | how about ALT-TAB? |
| 04:32.13 | d_garbage | troy, wrong nick ;) |
| 04:32.45 | d_garbage | eqisow, ^^^ |
| 04:33.20 | troy | er, yep |
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| 04:36.35 | ideamonk_ | eqisow, it works for me |
| 04:36.52 | ideamonk_ | eqisow, checkout if you have KRunner installed |
| 04:37.09 | eqisow | ctrl+esc does not work - alt+tab does |
| 04:37.48 | ideamonk_ | ideamonk_, ctrl + esc too works for it, it fires system activity. I'm running kde 4.3.2 as in kubuntu |
| 04:38.19 | eqisow | as far as I can tell, krunner is in kdebase-workspace in Fedora |
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| 04:41.03 | eqisow | OK, I ran "run command" once from the menu and now it works with alt+f2.. go figure |
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| 04:55.47 | eqisow | latest nvidia driver seem to cause problems in KDE again - is that something KDE devs should be aware of? (ie. should I bother w/ a report?) |
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| 04:57.08 | eqisow | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533620 / http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/17037 |
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| 05:03.26 | troy | eqisow: nvidia drivers always causing issues *sigh* |
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| 05:04.17 | troy | eqisow: anyway, krunner is the program that is responsible for the run dialog, task manager, screen saver/locking, and a few other things. It's normally started when KDE loads, but your distro might have modified KDE's startup process |
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| 05:06.37 | eqisow | troy: actually it seems to be a combo of nvidia and the latest xorg with some fedora patch.... so, ignore that one I guess |
| 05:07.10 | troy | eqisow: heh - distro patches :) |
| 05:07.41 | troy | eqisow: one day KDE will end up making a reference distro for bug reporting |
| 05:08.40 | eqisow | I've said for awhile that KDE is practically it's own distro |
| 05:08.46 | eqisow | much more-so than any other DE |
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| 05:09.50 | troy | eqisow: the problem is with hardware support - KDE doesn't have the manpower - that's where we rely on distros |
| 05:10.28 | eqisow | but >50% of distros really manage to muck up KDE... maybe more :/ |
| 05:10.31 | eqisow | what a pickle :p |
| 05:10.38 | troy | plus we have a whole bunch of libraries we depend on externally :) |
| 05:11.17 | troy | is really wondering what the future of KDE is - which road it will take |
| 05:12.10 | troy | in fact, what the future roads hold for KDE will be the subject to much discussion for the project in the next few years |
| 05:12.14 | viro`hazrd | it's official DE of SUSE |
| 05:12.25 | eqisow | and yet it sucks so hard on Suse, go figure |
| 05:12.37 | eqisow | and actually I think officially gnome and kde are "equal" on suse |
| 05:12.54 | troy | for the last 5 years, we've had KDE 4 as the goal, which is a great place to head, but now that KDE 4 is here and alive and working reasonably well, where do we evolve from here... |
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| 05:13.15 | nevyn | troy: get the functionality back to the kde 3 levles ;) |
| 05:13.34 | d_garbage | :) |
| 05:13.36 | troy | nevyn: for the most part, it is - I really don't know what's missing (other than odd little features here and there) |
| 05:13.37 | viro`hazrd | towards multitouch UI |
| 05:13.42 | nevyn | printing |
| 05:13.48 | troy | viro`hazrd: yeah - and while I have a touch screen, most people don't |
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| 05:13.55 | troy | nevyn: printing is scheduled for 4.4 |
| 05:14.12 | troy | nevyn: and will be moved into qt 4.6, last I checked, rather than in KDE |
| 05:14.14 | viro`hazrd | multitouch is about to be standard right about now |
| 05:14.41 | troy | viro`hazrd: no, it's not standard on most computers which can't even do single-touch interfaces |
| 05:14.45 | viro`hazrd | printing is nothing worth evolving IMHO |
| 05:15.07 | viro`hazrd | now that ebooks are out |
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| 05:15.13 | nevyn | printing is critical for desktop adoption. |
| 05:15.29 | troy | hardware configuration would be a worthy, but boring task - think printers, touchscreens, tablets, scanners... |
| 05:15.55 | viro`hazrd | printing is the first thing linux ever supported fully |
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| 05:15.58 | nevyn | better and more automated multiscreen. |
| 05:16.10 | troy | nevyn: right, but that's waiting on X mostly |
| 05:16.15 | nevyn | viro`hazrd: there's printing and then there's printing |
| 05:16.17 | troy | nevyn: and X drivers |
| 05:16.19 | nevyn | troy: true... |
| 05:16.21 | eqisow | random question: How do solid and devicekit fit together? do they compliment or sort-of compete? |
| 05:16.47 | troy | devicekit is not used in KDE at all - it was invented post KDE 4 |
| 05:17.01 | nevyn | I wish there was some sort of "make a plasmoid" RAD type tool |
| 05:17.06 | troy | solid is a higher level C++ interface to device configurations... |
| 05:17.19 | troy | nevyn: one is actually being designed... I think it was to be called plasmagic |
| 05:17.30 | eqisow | http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-kde/2009-August/003536.html <-- suggests is kinda does? At least in some distros |
| 05:18.24 | nevyn | so sort of asemble the boxes tyep thing that let you say from this dataprovider I get numeric data between in this range let me set some thresholds and change colors on those etc. |
| 05:18.29 | troy | eqisow: well, solid is written in such a manner that you can replace the underlying hardware detection libraries at will, provided someone bothered to write a wrapper... so we can wrap HAL, or whatever windows or os x use, etc... |
| 05:18.56 | troy | nevyn: yeah - and code the actual logic in python/ruby/javascript/etc. |
| 05:19.07 | eqisow | roger |
| 05:19.25 | eqisow | oh, is to early to feature request sending pulseaudio to hell in our hypothetical KDE distro? :p |
| 05:19.30 | troy | eqisow: the only one in working order is HAL support, as far as I know |
| 05:19.31 | nevyn | troy: actually I was thinking more a rule system more like the microsoft dev environment |
| 05:19.55 | troy | nevyn: I have no experience with the ms dev environment |
| 05:20.07 | nevyn | troy: I think that rule systems are more the future (because of their paralelisation capabilities) |
| 05:20.10 | troy | nevyn: if I'm coding on windows, I'm using kate and pyqt :) |
| 05:20.18 | nevyn | troy: this was the ms thing for Xbox |
| 05:20.34 | troy | nevyn: is it anything like Qt's declarative UI? |
| 05:20.53 | troy | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/05/13/qt-declarative-ui/ |
| 05:21.35 | eqisow | troy: It looks like in Fedora Xorg is one of the only things still using hal |
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| 05:21.55 | troy | most distros use hal exclusively |
| 05:21.58 | eqisow | and DeviceKit-power, oddly enough o.O |
| 05:22.04 | nevyn | troy: kodu |
| 05:22.17 | eqisow | aye, Fedora is pushing DeviceKit, PackageKit, and policyKit hard |
| 05:22.24 | nevyn | ] has joined #kde |
| 05:22.25 | nevyn | 16:18 < troy> most distros use hal exclusively |
| 05:22.27 | nevyn | bleh |
| 05:22.40 | nevyn | http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/kodu/ |
| 05:22.40 | troy | nevyn: well, it's true |
| 05:22.56 | nevyn | no bleh cause of stupid cut-paste behavior in current environment |
| 05:23.01 | nevyn | so kodu is the ms thingy |
| 05:23.53 | troy | hrm - well, I don't think anyone has plans for that in plasma - but if you were to code it :) |
| 05:23.59 | nevyn | ;) |
| 05:24.43 | nevyn | troy: it's oversimplified than would be required/desirable. |
| 05:24.50 | nevyn | but at a concept level I think it's neat. |
| 05:25.15 | nevyn | particularly that rules are not interdependant and therfore allow parallel execution |
| 05:25.50 | oneforall | darn I'm a bit late but a lot of those missing features do make functioning a problem . I haven't really tried printing yet . but I would hope that works or thats soemthing people really hate to see not when it did :) |
| 05:25.52 | troy | there are a couple of things that need work in KDE that are missing manpower, either because they're boring, or simply overlooked |
| 05:26.09 | troy | oneforall: printing works fine - it's printer configuration that's missing |
| 05:26.12 | Acedip | like? |
| 05:26.45 | troy | oneforall: KDE used to have a nice printer config interface in 3.x, but no one stepped up to port/maintain it for 4.x - people are now having to use localhost:631 to configure their printers |
| 05:27.11 | oneforall | so is phonon better to use from qt now. Since I started with kde4 it was allway the impressiuon it was better using qt-copy |
| 05:27.45 | troy | oneforall: yeah - not sure about that - I haven't had any problems with phonon, so I just let it do it's thing |
| 05:27.46 | oneforall | lol I still always have used localhost:631 |
| 05:27.57 | troy | oneforall: then you're unaffected :) |
| 05:28.11 | oneforall | even hp-toolbox it ends up using that anyways so I never use that either |
| 05:28.18 | Acedip | troy, and what was it called? |
| 05:28.18 | troy | Acedip: well, hardware configuration things are missing for many periferals |
| 05:28.58 | oneforall | although I stilllooked at the kde3 config to see it was all nicely synced |
| 05:29.10 | troy | Acedip: what called? the kde printer stuff? KPrinter or similar - it was a bunch of classes that programs could use to create their print dialogs, and some kcontrol modules to match |
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| 05:29.49 | troy | oneforall: well, it'll still list your printers and stuff in KDE 4 - it's just missing some more advanced features, like being able to print just the odd pages (say if you're doing manual doublesiding) |
| 05:30.01 | oneforall | ah well I'll just stick to qt-copy |
| 05:30.19 | oneforall | ah |
| 05:31.10 | troy | oneforall: initially, phonon was being developed in KDE's source tree, and qt was periodically pulling a copy to include with Qt for the benefit of non-KDE users; KDE users were still using KDE's copy... these days, I think development moved upstream to Qt |
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| 05:31.19 | oneforall | kde3 I used to look at it from the kicker, wrench . I can't even remember how to get to it from the menu |
| 05:31.22 | troy | but I could be wrong about that |
| 05:32.35 | oneforall | ah . I seen slack moved to using qt . But trying to deside if I should too or just stay with qt-copy :0 |
| 05:34.10 | troy | oneforall: use the default slack packages if you can - easier to maintain if you aren't following trunk |
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| 05:36.02 | troy | speaking of which - I might want to move to the slackware packages fro 4.3.3, which just got released to -current |
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| 05:36.24 | oneforall | no I made my own 64bit a long time ago now and its fully multilib. Plus its always in the current state :) |
| 05:37.42 | oneforall | gcc 4.4.2, glibc2.10.1, bash 4.0.33(2)-release, etc little on the wild side ;) |
| 05:39.41 | troy | oneforall: do you make slackpkgs for the stuff you build? (out of curiosity, more than anything else...) |
| 05:40.33 | oneforall | well yeah its atill based on slack and kdeadmin-4.3.3-x86_64_blade64-1,txz |
| 05:40.41 | oneforall | etc |
| 05:41.17 | oneforall | atill/still |
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| 05:43.35 | phlux | How can I change my kwin theme with kde4? |
| 05:46.28 | troy | phlux: right click on titlebar of window -> configure window behaviour -> Windows -> Window Decoration tab |
| 05:47.43 | phlux | I don't have a "Configure" option |
| 05:47.49 | phlux | I have a "Configure Window Behavior" |
| 05:47.58 | phlux | but when I click it, there's no option to change the theme |
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| 05:48.48 | phlux | oh |
| 05:48.50 | phlux | yes I do |
| 05:48.50 | phlux | thanks |
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| 05:53.59 | phlux | why doesn't kopete do AIM anymore? |
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| 06:08.00 | ajavid | hi I'm using kde3 and I want to reset my kde menu |
| 06:08.08 | ajavid | where is the file saved so I can delete it and get a default one |
| 06:12.41 | oneforall | right click the k>edit menu>Edit>Restore to system menu ? |
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| 06:14.46 | jaem | I was going to post a Wishlist item on bugs.kde.org for the code editor component of KDevelop4, but the rather large list of sub-components in the wizard confused me. Could someone tell me what I should file that under? |
| 06:16.58 | ajavid | there is no option called restore to system menu or anything related |
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| 06:19.06 | oneforall | hmm maybe kde3 had a reset utton at the bottom of the edit menu |
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| 06:19.34 | oneforall | not in kde3 right now so I'm going on memory O.o |
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| 06:21.51 | ryanCH | i upgraded to kde 4.3 and it won't mount any devices in, Device Notifier |
| 06:22.05 | ryanCH | is there a work around for this bug? |
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| 06:27.43 | wei | What distro are you using? |
| 06:28.04 | wei | I am using fedora 11, and everything works just fine. |
| 06:29.13 | jaem | ryanCH, what happens if you try to mount it from Dolphin? |
| 06:30.01 | ryanCH | it works |
| 06:30.05 | ryanCH | *in dolphin |
| 06:30.18 | jaem | ryanCH, odd... to reiterate, which distro are you using? |
| 06:30.31 | jaem | and what error do you get from Device Notifier? |
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| 06:30.35 | ryanCH | ubuntu |
| 06:30.43 | ryanCH | it doesn't do anything |
| 06:30.44 | jaem | ryanCH, 9.10? |
| 06:30.47 | ryanCH | no error |
| 06:30.52 | ryanCH | yes 9.10 |
| 06:31.02 | jaem | okay, give me a moment to boot up my Kubuntu box |
| 06:31.12 | jaem | I'll take a look |
| 06:31.13 | ryanCH | ok |
| 06:33.22 | jaem | ryanCH, okay, just logging in |
| 06:33.36 | ryanCH | also i found out my sound doesn't work ;p |
| 06:33.45 | jaem | so, you plugged in a flash drive (or something else?), and Device Notifier popped up? |
| 06:33.53 | ryanCH | yup |
| 06:34.05 | ryanCH | but when i click the device nothing happends |
| 06:34.09 | jaem | did you change any related settings at all? |
| 06:34.11 | jaem | beforehand |
| 06:34.20 | ryanCH | no |
| 06:34.33 | ryanCH | just upgraded |
| 06:34.55 | jaem | from? |
| 06:35.07 | ryanCH | kde 4.2 |
| 06:35.11 | jaem | kk |
| 06:35.17 | jaem | I'm trying to replicate it now |
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| 06:38.12 | jaem | ryanCH, works for me |
| 06:38.18 | jaem | hmm |
| 06:38.31 | ryanCH | that is weired. |
| 06:38.35 | jaem | does the popup disappear when you click on it? |
| 06:38.58 | ryanCH | yeah |
| 06:39.25 | jaem | but nothing happens... hmm |
| 06:39.49 | jaem | Just to be clear, the entry you click on says "Open with File Manager", right? |
| 06:40.47 | ryanCH | what do you mean? |
| 06:41.25 | jaem | well, on mine, it has the flash drive icon, and then says "Volume (vfat)" and below it, "Open With File Manager" |
| 06:41.44 | ryanCH | i don't have that option |
| 06:42.21 | jaem | ryanCH, what do you have? |
| 06:42.26 | jaem | e.g. what are you clicking on? |
| 06:42.44 | ryanCH | wait, yeah i do |
| 06:43.00 | ryanCH | Volume (vfat) |
| 06:43.09 | ryanCH | underneath it, it says that |
| 06:43.19 | jaem | and that's the one you're clicking? |
| 06:43.34 | ryanCH | there are others in the list, and they don't work either |
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| 06:44.33 | jaem | hrm |
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| 06:45.19 | jaem | ryanCH, I'm not sure what to say... you could try resetting any applicable config, but I don't know where that would be |
| 06:46.05 | jaem | aside from that, I don't know what might be wrong. You could, however, install the new "Device Manager" plasmoid, and hope that that one works |
| 06:46.07 | jaem | I'll get you a link |
| 06:46.16 | viro`haz1d | anybody know why is KDE4 slow with composite? |
| 06:46.30 | jaem | viro`haz1d, not without more information ;) |
| 06:46.34 | jaem | video card? |
| 06:46.36 | jaem | distro? |
| 06:46.39 | jaem | driver versions? |
| 06:46.48 | viro`haz1d | I got it compiled with raster USE flag |
| 06:47.01 | jaem | also, are you saying it's abnormally slow, or just that it doesn't run that well on your computer? |
| 06:47.02 | viro`haz1d | gforce 8600 gentoo |
| 06:47.21 | ryanCH | jaem, alright, thank you :) |
| 06:48.02 | viro`haz1d | it stalls all the time and eventually times out. Upon restart everytime I switch window it stalls mementarily, re-sizing also stalls |
| 06:48.42 | jaem | viro`haz1d, not sure off the top of my head. Have you checked for known issues? |
| 06:49.02 | jaem | ryanCH, the source package is here: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=106051 |
| 06:49.13 | ryanCH | cool. |
| 06:49.14 | ryanCH | thx :) |
| 06:49.16 | jaem | if you don't know how to compile it, I'd imagine someone has made a DEB, but I'm not sure where |
| 06:49.18 | jaem | just Google it |
| 06:49.27 | ryanCH | ok |
| 06:49.35 | jaem | cheers |
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| 06:49.40 | viro`haz1d | and a console with scrolling output has X and kwin with cpu usage in 50% margin. While xfce with composite enable cpu usage stays at a lull 2% |
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| 06:50.13 | sir_lewk | is there a way that I can turn off window decorations for everything by default? |
| 06:50.48 | viro`haz1d | I only know unknown issues |
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| 06:55.36 | xevious | If I want to make a plasma applet that acts as a containment, but can be embedded in the panel just like any other applet... is it an applet or a containment? |
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| 06:57.52 | coppro | In okular, if I'm viewing in facing pages mode, is there any way to switch which page is considered left and which is considered right? It's pretty unusable if the book is backward |
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| 07:02.40 | viro`haz1d | grabs a pitchfork |
| 07:02.58 | viro`haz1d | wrong chan |
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| 07:05.24 | Moult|ssh | coppro: do you mean how to make the first page the right page instead of the left? |
| 07:05.35 | coppro | Moult|ssh: yeah |
| 07:05.52 | Moult|ssh | coppro: yeah i got a bit annoyed about that too - there is an option in one of the menus i forget now |
| 07:06.02 | Moult|ssh | but it's named a bit weird |
| 07:06.07 | coppro | will click random options then |
| 07:06.21 | Moult|ssh | coppro: i would check but i'm not in X right now |
| 07:06.30 | coppro | ok |
| 07:06.31 | coppro | thanks |
| 07:07.35 | Moult|ssh | coppro: isn't not in a dialog iirm |
| 07:07.39 | Moult|ssh | iirc rather |
| 07:07.59 | coppro | isn't not? |
| 07:08.14 | Moult|ssh | coppro: it isn't in |
| 07:08.22 | coppro | ok |
| 07:09.12 | coppro | can't find it |
| 07:09.22 | Moult|ssh | coppro: perhaps under the "view" menu |
| 07:09.39 | coppro | yeah, I can change to facing page mode |
| 07:09.45 | coppro | but not change which page is on which side |
| 07:09.53 | Moult|ssh | coppro: perhaps under the same menu, make first page center or something |
| 07:10.23 | coppro | nothing of the sort |
| 07:10.53 | xevious | KDE4: Now with less configurability. |
| 07:10.58 | xevious | *grumble* |
| 07:11.09 | coppro | xevious: Well, Okular's new, so I give it the pass |
| 07:11.18 | Moult|ssh | okular has that function, it's just named stupid |
| 07:11.19 | coppro | and it's better than the old one... what was it called? |
| 07:12.11 | xevious | Center First Page? |
| 07:12.17 | xevious | It's in the settings |
| 07:12.20 | Moult|ssh | aha that's it |
| 07:12.22 | coppro | ah, found it |
| 07:12.25 | xevious | General -> View Options |
| 07:12.26 | coppro | yeah, it's in the settings |
| 07:12.38 | coppro | should be under the view menu IMO because it's document-specific |
| 07:12.39 | coppro | files bug |
| 07:12.46 | xevious | Yes. |
| 07:12.48 | xevious | Agreed. |
| 07:13.16 | Moult|ssh | coppro: i posted about it in the kde forums already see thread ``okular show pages book-style'' or something |
| 07:13.27 | coppro | Is it in the bugzilla? |
| 07:14.02 | Moult|ssh | coppro: i can't remember if i put it in, i'll check later and report it if i haven't, or if you want you can just report it now anyway |
| 07:16.37 | coppro | what the... what component do Okular bugs go under? |
| 07:17.08 | coppro | oh, nvm |
| 07:17.15 | coppro | I always forget not everything is listed by defualt |
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| 07:29.03 | troy | xevious: a few parts of KDE 4 have less options - many parts just moved/renamed them |
| 07:29.40 | naval | hii |
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| 07:36.12 | KiRiLoS | Hello,i was wondering.Is there a way to change every single blue color to red in KDE 4.3?Incuding the folder colors in Dolphin.Thanks |
| 07:37.11 | Moult|ssh | KiRiLoS: what. the. hell? |
| 07:37.25 | KiRiLoS | Moult|ssh, what? |
| 07:37.32 | Moult|ssh | KiRiLoS: system settings -> appearance (i think) -> colours |
| 07:37.47 | Moult|ssh | KiRiLoS: for folder colours you will need a new icon theme, also under that same settings dialog |
| 07:38.16 | Moult|ssh | KiRiLoS: you might also want a new plasma theme, available through gethotnewstuff in desktop rightclick desktop settings |
| 07:38.17 | KiRiLoS | Ok thanks Moult|ssh :P any idea where i can find the same exact icon theme just in red?:P |
| 07:39.55 | Moult|ssh | KiRiLoS: nope :) i think there is a icon hover effect setting somewhere where i seem to recall tint and some other effects you can set, perhaps there is a colour overlay if you are lucky |
| 07:39.58 | coppro | No clue where to find it exactly, but they're all SVG, right? |
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| 07:40.18 | coppro | should be easy to just use a regex or something to switch the red and blue color values of everything in theory |
| 07:40.41 | Moult|ssh | KiRiLoS: if you are considering manually editing the svgs i would perhapps recommend imagemagick |
| 07:40.46 | KiRiLoS | Moult|ssh, well there is,but it actually turns red every single icon :P so it mess my apps icons |
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| 07:42.46 | Moult|ssh | KiRiLoS: imagemagick i think is a CLI image editor you could set some stuff and have it recurse over all the icons you need |
| 07:43.22 | KiRiLoS | Moult|ssh, too much hassle :P i'll just go with blue :P |
| 07:44.29 | KiRiLoS | another thing is that when i am trying to download new themes,after I press install nothing happens! |
| 07:45.07 | KiRiLoS | and oh,i am talking about the System add-on installer |
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| 08:07.54 | viro`haz1d | hi |
| 08:08.01 | QwertyM | hello |
| 08:08.03 | viro`haz1d | what are notable themes? |
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| 08:13.42 | viro`haz1d | so? |
| 08:14.31 | viro`haz1d | none? |
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| 08:15.11 | viro`haz1d | got it |
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| 08:22.44 | Peace- | why this stuff http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2453/previewwp.png is there but not in dolphin ? |
| 08:23.02 | Peace- | you have everytime to click to play something |
| 08:23.21 | Peace- | insteand in kdialog menu like youi can ssee in the picture thre is automacally play |
| 08:23.30 | Peace- | when you hover a file |
| 08:23.44 | Peace- | *when you hover over a file |
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| 08:26.19 | wei | Peace-: what is the window decoration you are using? |
| 08:26.54 | Peace- | wei: just a second i check |
| 08:30.25 | Peace- | wei: aurorae |
| 08:30.47 | wei | It is a kwin decoration? |
| 08:30.47 | Peace- | style cupertino |
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| 08:31.17 | oneforall | splitz |
| 08:31.17 | Peace- | yes |
| 08:31.19 | wei | Alright, thanks! |
| 08:31.19 | wei | goes to bed now. |
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| 08:34.59 | Peace- | hey guys nobody is answering to me |
| 08:35.06 | Peace- | :( |
| 08:36.22 | viro`haz1d | neither me |
| 08:36.27 | viro`haz1d | :( |
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| 08:37.49 | Peace- | viro`haz1d: what's your problem? |
| 08:37.58 | Peace- | maybe i can , *maybe* |
| 08:38.39 | viro`haz1d | what are kewl themes for kde4? |
| 08:39.38 | Peace- | kewl? |
| 08:39.46 | Peace- | never heard |
| 08:39.51 | viro`haz1d | yes, hawt |
| 08:40.01 | viro`haz1d | hawt themes |
| 08:40.15 | Peace- | maybe is only a theme |
| 08:40.22 | Peace- | ah no themes |
| 08:40.27 | Peace- | or a set of themes |
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| 08:40.30 | Peace- | for kde |
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| 08:40.57 | viro`haz1d | hawt = hot kewl = cool |
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| 08:45.05 | afi | hi! can anyone help with sound on fedora 11 ??? |
| 08:46.13 | Moult|ssh | afi: #fedora |
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| 10:17.14 | oneforall | Troy I see pat changed back to using the kde phonon :) |
| 10:17.51 | oneforall | but then maybe its qt4.6 |
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| 10:22.24 | AlexC_ | morning Earth folk |
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| 10:22.54 | AlexC_ | since update to KDE 4.3.3, there has been a slight delay (say 1-2 seconds) when I press Alt+F2 to open krunner, anyone else experiance this? |
| 10:23.09 | AlexC_ | kinda annoying, since I'm used to it opening instantly - so what I type the first half is being cut off |
| 10:23.27 | Peace- | here it's working fine |
| 10:23.31 | Peace- | kubuntu 9.10 |
| 10:24.02 | AlexC_ | hum |
| 10:24.22 | szal | same here (openSUSE 11.1) |
| 10:24.25 | Moult | when i try to start up compositing i get a systray notification saying that the following effects could not be started. what file can i find the detailed error log for that message? |
| 10:24.32 | AlexC_ | szal: as in, working fine or not? |
| 10:24.55 | szal | as in no practically important delay |
| 10:25.03 | AlexC_ | strange |
| 10:25.24 | Peace- | maybe is you video cards that sucks? |
| 10:25.47 | Peace- | bad driver i mean |
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| 10:25.54 | AlexC_ | well it's worked before just fine. It's an old card by todays standards, however it doesn't suck |
| 10:26.22 | Peace- | here i have an intel 945gm |
| 10:26.33 | Peace- | and it's fast like light |
| 10:26.36 | AlexC_ | nVidia 7950GT |
| 10:26.56 | devine | AlexC_: I have just noticed something similar today - except it is 10 seconds. |
| 10:27.01 | devine | it happens wiht the Kmenu too |
| 10:27.05 | devine | I am Fedora 12 |
| 10:27.23 | AlexC_ | devine: ah, just checked kmenu (I hardly use it) and yes, I get the same delay as well |
| 10:27.30 | AlexC_ | of 1-2 seconds |
| 10:27.33 | devine | Nvidia 9600GT |
| 10:27.34 | Peace- | wok |
| 10:27.37 | Peace- | wow |
| 10:28.00 | devine | AlexC_: I thought it was a fedora problem, its lucky I saw this. |
| 10:28.12 | devine | So, any idea on what is happening? |
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| 10:28.30 | AlexC_ | you're guess is as good as mine |
| 10:28.35 | devine | Hang on, i'm on 4.3.2 |
| 10:29.00 | AlexC_ | X/nVidia updates recently? |
| 10:30.59 | devine | Yeah I reckon that might be it. |
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| 10:31.40 | devine | I'm on 190.42 |
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| 10:34.47 | Dumble | Hello world ! |
| 10:34.54 | AlexC_ | devine: same here |
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| 10:35.33 | AlexC_ | [2009-11-01 10:31] upgraded nvidia (185.18.36-2 -> 190.42-1) |
| 10:35.46 | AlexC_ | that must have been when it started |
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| 10:41.55 | elliot98 | ftp works in kde3 konqueror, but not in kde4 konqueror...it gives a timeout error |
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| 10:46.37 | AlexC_ | probably for the best, Fail Transport Protocol |
| 10:46.58 | AlexC_ | SFTP is what you want |
| 10:47.43 | afi | help with sound please |
| 10:47.49 | afi | fedora-kde |
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| 12:04.34 | xxtjaxx | Hi what was the app again to kill plasma? |
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| 12:06.28 | AlexC_ | xxtjaxx: kquitapp possibly, or good old fashioned kill/killall |
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| 12:15.31 | FlarMnement | HI all! |
| 12:15.57 | szal | FlarMnement: NEVER IRC as root.. |
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| 12:16.19 | FlarMnement | oh ok |
| 12:16.24 | FlarMnement | one minute |
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| 12:22.07 | FlarMnement | can somebody tell me in Fedora 11 it's no more named for DNS? It's called BIND now? |
| 12:23.24 | annma | FlarMnement: ask in #fedora please |
| 12:23.37 | FlarMnement | ok. thanks |
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| 12:51.19 | anodesni | I want only windows on the current workspace in my window list at the bottem bar. Is this possible? |
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| 12:52.44 | bastiandg | yes |
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| 12:53.31 | anodesni | how? |
| 12:53.42 | anodesni | I can not find this option |
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| 12:56.23 | bastiandg | it should be in the options window of your window list |
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| 12:58.24 | anodesni | bastiandg, sorry I can't find it |
| 12:58.50 | thiago_home | right-click the taskbar, taskbar settings |
| 12:58.51 | thiago_home | it's sthere |
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| 13:00.40 | anodesni | thiago_home, I only get panel settings |
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| 13:01.52 | anodesni | Sorry, maybe I'm stupid, but I really can't find it |
| 13:02.23 | bastiandg | do you have kde4 oder 3? |
| 13:02.27 | anodesni | 4 |
| 13:02.42 | bastiandg | wierd |
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| 13:03.57 | szal | anodesni: right-click in the taskbar (preferably near a running program) & choose Task Manager Settings |
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| 13:05.04 | thiago_home | did you find Task Manager Settings in the first place? |
| 13:05.09 | anodesni | no sorry |
| 13:05.24 | thiago_home | click the taskbar outside any task |
| 13:05.29 | thiago_home | do you have space available? |
| 13:06.11 | anodesni | yes |
| 13:06.26 | thiago_home | right-click the space outside any task buttons |
| 13:06.36 | anodesni | Now I have it |
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| 13:06.45 | anodesni | It seems there wasn't enough space |
| 13:07.01 | anodesni | thanks |
| 13:07.36 | anodesni | has somebody noticed also that krunner starts slower with kde 4.3.3? For me it is |
| 13:08.12 | szal | anodesni: that's most probably a problem with X.org 1.7 and/or new nVidia drivers |
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| 13:08.33 | anodesni | szal, why do you think so? |
| 13:08.49 | anodesni | is it a know problem? |
| 13:08.55 | szal | because I read of at least 1 similar case today already |
| 13:09.19 | anodesni | I guess thats the risk of running the latest and greatest (arch linux) |
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| 13:10.32 | thiago_home | is running 4.3.70 and hasn't seen any slowness in launching krunner |
| 13:10.36 | thiago_home | but it's an NVidia card |
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| 13:12.04 | glen | how do i import ca cert pem in kde4? |
| 13:12.16 | glen | the security stuff no longer present in konqueror preferences |
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| 13:13.32 | thiago_home | it's somewhere |
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| 13:15.45 | glen | indeed it's somewhere, but where, and maybe i have some app not installed? |
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| 13:25.29 | blkdg | hi, if i create |
| 13:25.38 | thiago_home | then it gets created |
| 13:25.40 | thiago_home | :-) |
| 13:25.43 | thiago_home | next question? |
| 13:26.07 | _Murasame | )))))) |
| 13:26.08 | blkdg | hi, if i turn on a plasma wigit for sticky notes then press x, will it be gone ? |
| 13:26.19 | blkdg | sorry about the first question |
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| 13:26.42 | guax | thiago_home, lol |
| 13:26.55 | thiago_home | blkdg: if you press the close button, it closes |
| 13:26.57 | AlexC_ | blkdg: have you tried? |
| 13:27.11 | blkdg | i turned on the sticky notes, and kept adding to it over a series of days, then i pressed close thinking that it would save and i could reopen it. |
| 13:27.26 | blkdg | yes AlexC_ it's gone |
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| 13:27.51 | blkdg | i was hoping some one could give me a alternative, or a sticky note that doesn't erase. |
| 13:28.01 | blkdg | no pen jokes please |
| 13:28.23 | guax | hummm. i cant remember one in kde4 knotes still exists? |
| 13:28.48 | thiago_home | knotes is still there |
| 13:29.15 | blkdg | i have notes and leave a note in my widget pannel |
| 13:30.12 | guax | blkdg, knotes support notes on desktop and dont erase then when you remove from screen |
| 13:30.36 | blkdg | ok, will look |
| 13:30.37 | guax | the plasma note widget is for quick and dirty notes =P |
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| 13:32.14 | blkdg | i see, i've got all three running, notes will disapear if i hit close. the only way to get it back in a blank state is to create a new widget again. leave a note sends them from me to me? and knotes looks like leave a note minus the send button.. |
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| 13:34.39 | blkdg | anyhow thanks again |
| 13:34.49 | glen | how do i import ca cert for https in pem format in kde4? |
| 13:35.45 | viro`hazrd | will there be worldwide parties during the official kde4 release in february? |
| 13:36.02 | viro`hazrd | with hawt gals and all |
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| 13:40.12 | glen | hey common guys, where's the ssl configuration ui in kde4? |
| 13:40.44 | viro`hazrd | common or c'mon/cmon? |
| 13:40.54 | viro`hazrd | common is something else |
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| 13:41.07 | glen | c'mon |
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| 13:42.23 | thiago_home | glen: I think it's missing |
| 13:43.05 | glen | thiago_home: and how do i import new root certificate? |
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| 13:44.20 | thiago_home | copy it to the SSL dir |
| 13:44.52 | glen | where is that dir? |
| 13:45.01 | thiago_home | or, rather, append to $KDEDIR/share/apps/kssl/ca-bundle.crt |
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| 13:45.43 | paul424 | who could be so nice and send his kde menu in xml file ? |
| 13:45.54 | paul424 | cause my menu seems to be broken |
| 13:46.13 | thiago_home | paul424: well, considering the menu isn't in XML, why do you want us to send in XML? |
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| 13:47.24 | paul424 | I suppose it is ,,, if not send in other format , please :) |
| 13:48.04 | thiago_home | it's not XML |
| 13:48.12 | thiago_home | it's hundreds of separate files |
| 13:48.16 | glen | thiago_home: what about /usr/share/config/ksslcalist ? |
| 13:49.17 | thiago_home | glen: never heard of that file |
| 13:49.51 | thiago_home | glen: interesting, it's in the source code |
| 13:49.56 | glen | thiago_home: looks like i had to rm ~/.kde/share/apps/kssl/ca-bundle.crt as it had preference over $KDEDIR/share/apps/kssl/ca-bundle.crt |
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| 13:50.27 | glen | thiago_home: likely it's leftover from kde3 |
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| 13:50.46 | thiago_home | glen: no, it's installed from KDE 3 |
| 13:50.50 | thiago_home | I mean, KDE 4 |
| 13:50.56 | thiago_home | but I don't know what reads it |
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| 13:52.15 | thiago_home | paul424: I have 305 different .desktop files for the menu, plus 14 XML files |
| 13:52.38 | paul424 | That's not good |
| 13:52.41 | thiago_home | sure it is |
| 13:53.01 | glen | thiago_home: that is what i mean, it's leftover from kde3 ssl engines, legacy code in kde4-libs sources |
| 13:53.12 | thiago_home | glen: could be |
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| 13:53.56 | paul424 | funny enough look what answer I got : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213360 |
| 13:54.26 | paul424 | regarding the menu files ... they say it 's already implemented, so I wanted to know. |
| 13:54.54 | glen | thiago_home: imho it uses both modes of bundles |
| 13:55.01 | sridarshan | paul424 hi i'm new to irc ,,can you help me connecting to #pys60 channel |
| 13:55.25 | thiago_home | paul424: what is your problem in the first place? |
| 13:55.26 | paul424 | hmm just / join pys60 |
| 13:56.02 | paul424 | thiago_home: I have lost all entries in the kickoff menu, somehow. |
| 13:56.50 | sridarshan | and how do i register to a channel?? |
| 13:57.20 | thiago_home | sridarshan: you don't register to a channel |
| 13:57.23 | thiago_home | that action doesn't exist |
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| 13:58.26 | sridarshan | bu it says that channel requires registeration,,,why dont you try and see |
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| 13:59.35 | paul424 | It should show you some instructions how to do that, |
| 13:59.59 | AlexC_ | sridarshan: ask #freenode about how to register your nick |
| 14:00.09 | paul424 | sridarshan: there is a rule on irc not to type commands someone unknown suggest :). |
| 14:00.39 | AlexC_ | sridarshan: or /join #pys60,0 |
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| 14:06.53 | paul424 | ok so what should I do to return the menus .. the etc/xdg/menus dir does not exist, the ~./config/menu files seems to be screwed up, what to do ? |
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| 14:09.05 | thiago_home | paul424: rm -rf ~/.config/menu |
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| 14:10.40 | paul424 | thiago_home: and ? |
| 14:10.58 | paul424 | ohh ok works fine :) |
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| 14:16.45 | a-st | Hello, kdelibs fails to build from latest unstable package (kdelibs-4.3.74svn1044032.tar.bz2) with following error message: http://92.193.42.248:50001/a-st/paste/kdelibs-4.3.74svn1044032-1-i686-build.log |
| 14:18.24 | annma | distro? |
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| 14:18.35 | a-st | annma: Arch Linux |
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| 14:20.35 | thiago_home | a-st: hint: make English pastes |
| 14:21.47 | a-st | thiago_home: okay sorry :P |
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| 14:25.08 | elliot98 | how do I split the window in Dolphin? |
| 14:25.17 | elliot98 | there is no menu option to do it |
| 14:25.19 | elliot98 | ? |
| 14:26.07 | oneforall | there is a split button to the left of the search bar |
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| 14:30.03 | a-st | okay here again: http://a-st.dyn-o-saur.com:50001/paste/kdelibs-build.log |
| 14:30.38 | deitarion | Is there a way to ask the KDE session manager to load a desktop other than Plasma? |
| 14:31.12 | annma | to load GNOME for ex? |
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| 14:31.38 | deitarion | annma: No, something like a shellscript which loads PCManFM for desktop drawing an lxpanel or xfce-panel for panels. |
| 14:32.32 | deitarion | I'm still fairly preferential towards KDE stuff when it works... but I'm tired of seeing my 2Ghz Celeron on IceWM run rings around my Athlon64 X2 5000+ just so I can have the privilege of Plasma scrambling my widget positioning every time it crashes. |
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| 14:33.11 | pinotree | the kde session manager does not load plasma at all, it it loaded via autostart .desktop file |
| 14:34.53 | deitarion | pinotree: In this case, I was using "session manager" as a generic term for "The thing which is launched by KDM and which handles keeping the X session open so crashes by the WM don't kill the session" |
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| 14:35.17 | deitarion | I never said my "session manager" in this instance had to be a single program. (I'm referring to it as a role) |
| 14:35.46 | pinotree | "session manager" has a meaning, and it's a program handling the session |
| 14:36.05 | a-st | can someone help me with this issue: http://a-st.dyn-o-saur.com:50001/paste/kdelibs-build.log :) |
| 14:36.45 | deitarion | pinotree: And, traditionally, the session manager has handled launching panels, desktop, etc. |
| 14:37.25 | pinotree | nope |
| 14:37.38 | deitarion | Anyway, the other big reason I said "session manager" is because Plasma isn't listed in the autostart control panel and KDE's session manager is notorious for following typically GNOME "opaqueness" design principles. |
| 14:37.53 | annma | a-st: is it a clean build? |
| 14:38.02 | annma | a-st: this should not happen |
| 14:38.11 | deitarion | Either way, I'm not here to argue semantics, so let's focus on results. |
| 14:38.30 | pinotree | then don't argue :) |
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| 14:38.41 | deitarion | pinotree: I stopped as soon as I realized I was. |
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| 14:39.26 | deitarion | Anyway, let me rephrase the question. "How do I keep Plasma from autostarting without having to muck in .desktop files the package manager will inevitably overwrite?" |
| 14:39.45 | pinotree | put Hidden=true in it |
| 14:40.01 | deitarion | pinotree: In the overlay? |
| 14:40.06 | pinotree | uh? |
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| 14:40.19 | a-st | annma: Yes its a clean build |
| 14:40.32 | a-st | annma: No patches etc |
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| 14:40.49 | deitarion | pinotree: Editing stuff outside ~ is a no-no because changed will get overwritten next time the package gets updated. If it were otherwise, I'd just delete the .desktop file and be done with it. |
| 14:40.56 | deitarion | s/changed/changes/ |
| 14:41.06 | pinotree | that's it |
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| 14:41.21 | annma | a-st: can you post the CMakeCache.txt file please a-st to pastebin |
| 14:41.33 | annma | a-st: from the kdelibs build dir |
| 14:41.33 | a-st | annma: shure :) |
| 14:41.41 | deitarion | pinotree: By overlay, I mean ~/.kde4/ |
| 14:41.47 | a-st | -h |
| 14:42.04 | annma | a-st: a clean build == a new build for me |
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| 14:42.09 | pinotree | that's the local kde configuration, not an "overlay" |
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| 14:43.29 | a-st | annma: Okay. np :) |
| 14:43.52 | deitarion | pinotree: behaviourally, it's an overlay... at least, based on the definition of "overlay" that has been in use among the people I work with. |
| 14:44.35 | annma | we don't use it in KDE |
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| 14:44.50 | pinotree | can't you just avoid creating new fancy terms, really? |
| 14:45.06 | deitarion | pinotree: From my perspective, you guys are the ones creating fancy new terms. |
| 14:45.17 | pinotree | lol, see who speaks |
| 14:45.30 | deitarion | annma: I'll try to remember that. I can't make any guarantees, but I'll try. |
| 14:48.26 | deitarion | Anyway, just to clarify, as I understand it, an overlay is a set of data that selectively overrides another set of data. (Like a "local configuration", but more general. For example, BioWare's Infinity engine (Baldur's Gate) has an overlay which was used to great effect by modders because you can dump just about any resource into it in the right place and it'll override the bundled one) |
| 14:48.58 | annma | deitarion: it's just that we cannot do support with all sort of weird names |
| 14:49.15 | annma | it's already difficult with distros |
| 14:49.54 | annma | overlay is actually a Gentoo term |
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| 14:50.31 | deitarion | annma: Not specifically. They just use overlays without calling them something else. |
| 14:51.04 | viro`haz1d | annma: bear in mind a lot of kde4 devs are gentoo users. |
| 14:51.06 | deitarion | It never occurred to me to think of ~/.kde4/ as "configuration" because, to me, configuration isn't generalized enough to let you override arbitrary resources. |
| 14:51.07 | annma | it a used in Gentoo I mean |
| 14:51.12 | annma | viro`haz1d: not at all |
| 14:51.20 | viro`haz1d | annma: many |
| 14:51.24 | annma | viro`haz1d: no |
| 14:51.30 | viro`haz1d | yes |
| 14:51.37 | annma | I am a kde devel |
| 14:51.39 | deitarion | For example, the Kicker 3.5.x launcher menu's sidebar image. |
| 14:51.39 | annma | so I know |
| 14:51.56 | viro`haz1d | I am a gentoo user |
| 14:52.07 | annma | viro`haz1d: in fact they get tired after a short while to have to build all the timze |
| 14:52.11 | viro`haz1d | and what's wrong with overlays anyways? |
| 14:52.23 | a-st | annma: http://pastebin.ca/1662120 |
| 14:52.26 | annma | nothing, it's just the term we were discussing |
| 14:52.38 | annma | overlay can be lots of things, among of a Gentoothing |
| 14:52.51 | annma | and we KDE people have trouble supporting this word |
| 14:52.53 | viro`haz1d | uh? a dev gotta build or else isn't developing lol |
| 14:53.07 | annma | he doesnot want to build everything |
| 14:53.22 | annma | anyway you can poll KDE devs about their distros |
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| 14:53.53 | viro`haz1d | kde4 builds flawlessly in gentoo in my experience |
| 14:54.35 | viro`haz1d | 234 packages here |
| 14:54.38 | deitarion | viro`haz1d: It builds flawlessly (I'm a Gentoo user)... there just aren't enough KDE devs to do quality assurance on the code paths I use frequently. |
| 14:54.44 | pinotree | (...so?) |
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| 14:55.17 | annma | lol |
| 14:55.45 | viro`haz1d | just saying that Gentoo is at the forefront of kde4 development. |
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| 14:55.56 | annma | viro`haz1d: not really |
| 14:56.10 | annma | what if you want branch and trunk? |
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| 14:56.24 | deitarion | Anyway, to get back on topic using unambiguous terminology, where in my home directory do I have to play an amended copy of the Plasma .desktop file to prevent it from autostarting and where in /usr/share should I expect to find it? |
| 14:56.28 | viro`haz1d | overlay |
| 14:56.32 | deitarion | s/play/place/ |
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| 14:57.12 | annma | a-st: what arch is it? linux? 32? |
| 14:57.24 | a-st | annma: Arch Linux 32bit |
| 15:00.41 | annma | a-st: I am looking at it |
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| 15:01.05 | a-st | annma: Thank you very much. :) |
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| 15:01.39 | annma | did you ever build KDE on this distro? |
| 15:02.00 | a-st | annma: First time :P |
| 15:02.04 | annma | ah |
| 15:02.07 | a-st | annma: But already build kmix etc :) |
| 15:02.32 | annma | if you don't have delibshow can you build the rest? |
| 15:02.57 | a-st | delibshow? |
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| 15:04.48 | annma | pinotree: a-st has in the log |
| 15:04.53 | annma | # |
| 15:04.54 | annma | //Have function strlcpy |
| 15:04.55 | annma | # |
| 15:04.57 | annma | HAVE_STRLCPY:INTERNAL= |
| 15:05.11 | annma | pinotree: what does he miss? |
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| 15:05.40 | annma | a-st: this code is full of #ifdef to get the right headers for differentarchs |
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| 15:06.17 | a-st | annma: Okay. So what should i do now? :-\ |
| 15:06.36 | annma | I am waiting for pinotree to say something ;) |
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| 15:11.52 | ebdomino | rou |
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| 15:17.19 | annma | a-st: do you have glibc installed? |
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| 15:23.13 | annma | a-st: ? |
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| 15:28.46 | a-st | annma: yes glibc is installed |
| 15:29.27 | a-st | annma: glibc 2.11-1 |
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| 15:30.22 | annma | OK you need to edit the file /kdelibs/kdecore/fakes.c |
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| 15:31.24 | ChALkeR | Hi all. |
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| 15:32.23 | ChALkeR | Does anybody know why phonon eats about a second from the start and/or end of an audiofile? |
| 15:32.26 | a-st | annma: okay :) |
| 15:32.56 | ChALkeR | While mocp does not. |
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| 15:35.24 | a-st | annma: What do I have to change? |
| 15:35.34 | annma_ | OK you need to edit the file /kdelibs/kdecore/fakes.c |
| 15:35.39 | annma_ | and add #include <kdefakes.h> |
| 15:35.42 | annma_ | just on the line after #include <kdecore_export.h> |
| 15:35.53 | a-st | okay |
| 15:35.58 | a-st | So is this a bug? |
| 15:36.00 | annma_ | then redo make |
| 15:36.07 | annma_ | let's see |
| 15:36.11 | annma_ | for your system |
| 15:36.35 | a-st | Okay :) |
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| 15:46.07 | a-st | annma: seems to work :) |
| 15:46.15 | annma_ | :) |
| 15:46.23 | a-st | oh no... |
| 15:46.24 | a-st | :( |
| 15:46.29 | a-st | same error again :( |
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| 15:47.07 | fir3_ | hi |
| 15:47.55 | fir3_ | can someone name an alternative to kscope? i can't find any tool that is as comfortable for browsing/editing sourcecode :/ |
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| 15:50.18 | a-st | annma: So it didnt fix the problem :( |
| 15:50.29 | annma_ | same error? |
| 15:51.20 | a-st | annma: Yes. :( |
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| 15:53.14 | JackWinter | is knetworkmanager in kde 4.3.3? |
| 15:53.22 | pinotree | no |
| 15:53.52 | pinotree | knetworkmanager so far, even in kde3, has never been part of the "kde releases", but it is an extra(gear) application |
| 15:54.41 | JackWinter | pinotree: ah thanks, i'll see about getting it and see if it will replace wicd on my laptop |
| 15:54.54 | pinotree | it won't |
| 15:55.13 | pinotree | nobody wrote a wicd backend for it, yet |
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| 15:57.12 | siba | hello, I just upgraded to kubuntu 9.10 from kubuntu 9.04 and I have a big problem with gtk+ styles. I can't set it working. It always reset to the default value. I think I have to use something different than the kde control center or maybe edit some file but can't find any help at internet |
| 15:57.21 | siba | may you please help me? |
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| 15:59.52 | a-st | annma_: are you there? |
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| 16:05.05 | siba | anybody can help me? |
| 16:05.16 | DeltaS4 | is there any native qt4 input method yet? |
| 16:05.21 | DeltaS4 | for cjk |
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| 16:05.33 | _spm_Draget | If I copy a string from the filter-box in wireshark into my clipboard (running KDE), close wireshark, and open another instance of wireshark and then connot paste the text anymore, who is responsible? KDE, wireshark, gtk, ...? |
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| 16:09.12 | DeltaS4 | uim depends on qt3 libs, ibus-anthy on gconf2 and skim on gtk |
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| 16:09.55 | JackWinter | pinotree: it seems that my dist (archlinux) does not have knetworkmanager as a kde-extragear. does that mean i have to get (git :) the kde svn to get the source for building it myself? seems like it is an important part of the laptop kde experience and now might be a good idea to add some code or write some bugreports |
| 16:09.57 | annma_ | a-st: yes |
| 16:10.02 | annma_ | a-st: I was onthe phone |
| 16:10.32 | annma_ | a-st: do a make VERBOSE=1 and pastebin please, in kdelibs |
| 16:10.39 | annma_ | you can remove the line you added |
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| 16:13.53 | a-st | annma_: okay :) |
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| 16:28.48 | polytan | hi |
| 16:28.52 | polytan | is there a kde-games channel ? |
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| 16:29.05 | annma | yes |
| 16:29.28 | polytan | what is it annma ? |
| 16:29.32 | annma | #kdegames I think |
| 16:29.37 | ssuominen | Is there a kmid release (alpha?) for KDE4? |
| 16:29.53 | ssuominen | or a suitable replacement |
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| 16:30.11 | annma | what's kmid? |
| 16:30.28 | ssuominen | annma: http://developer.kde.org/~larrosa/kmid.html |
| 16:30.33 | ssuominen | annma: was part of KDE 3.5.10 |
| 16:31.13 | annma | in what module? |
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| 16:32.22 | annma | in kdemultimedia |
| 16:32.29 | ssuominen | yep |
| 16:32.39 | annma | it's gone |
| 16:32.49 | annma | the maintainer left and nobody took it |
| 16:33.14 | ssuominen | too bad |
| 16:33.35 | a-st | annma: the log ist very huge :-\ |
| 16:33.41 | ssuominen | annma: nod |
| 16:33.49 | a-st | 1,4M kdelibs-4.3.74svn1044032-1-i686-build.log |
| 16:33.59 | annma | a-st: just the part that breaks |
| 16:34.18 | annma | pastebin the last compiling line before the error |
| 16:34.33 | annma | a-st: is that a package from your distro? |
| 16:35.02 | annma | I mean, is it a build package from arch? |
| 16:35.12 | annma | if so other arch users should have this fail |
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| 16:37.39 | a-st | annma: its no package :) |
| 16:38.13 | annma | so what is it? kdelibs-4.3.74svn104403? |
| 16:38.32 | annma | isn't arch a build distro? |
| 16:38.35 | a-st | annma: http://dpaste.com/117809/ |
| 16:38.45 | a-st | annma: Arch uses binary packages :) |
| 16:38.49 | sreich | annma: no |
| 16:39.04 | annma | I thought arch also could havebuild packages |
| 16:39.16 | annma | so where did you get this package a-st |
| 16:39.18 | sreich | annma: arch uses binary packages, but in it's community repo (unofficial), it does have automated build packages (you pick the package, and basically just hit yes a few times, and it compiles it for you) |
| 16:39.18 | a-st | annma: kdelibs source ist kdelibs-4.3.74svn1044032 |
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| 16:39.34 | annma | from where is that a-st |
| 16:39.43 | a-st | annma: one moment :) |
| 16:39.59 | a-st | annma: http://dpaste.com/117810/ |
| 16:40.00 | annma | ah sreich |
| 16:40.19 | a-st | in the build method |
| 16:40.19 | annma | so this is such a package, no? |
| 16:40.36 | annma | sreich: is the above such a package? |
| 16:40.36 | a-st | annma: Thats something like an ebuild for gentoo |
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| 16:41.32 | annma | a-st: provided by Arch then? |
| 16:41.45 | a-st | annma: Yes :) |
| 16:41.46 | sreich | annma: I don't know. it does seem like it is |
| 16:41.57 | a-st | annma: slightly modified |
| 16:42.09 | a-st | annma: but not by me. |
| 16:42.11 | sreich | a-st: you can also just use kdesvn-build..which is meant to make building it easier also. |
| 16:42.12 | annma | so did you ask them why it fails? |
| 16:42.28 | sreich | yes, talk to your distro channel, it isn't related to us. |
| 16:42.38 | annma | I cannot fiddle with this |
| 16:42.38 | a-st | annma: It isn't? |
| 16:42.48 | annma | no |
| 16:42.59 | annma | it seems a failure in your dependencies |
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| 16:43.29 | a-st | and which dependency do i miss? |
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| 16:43.50 | annma | that's what you need to find out |
| 16:43.55 | sreich | a-st: also, you are aware that you require qt 4.6, correct? |
| 16:44.09 | annma | I hope he is |
| 16:44.36 | sreich | isn't memcpy a glibc function? |
| 16:44.49 | annma | he has glibc |
| 16:45.17 | annma | I looked at the cmake log and I asked in #kde-devel sreich |
| 16:45.21 | a-st | sreich: qt4.6 is installed :) |
| 16:45.26 | sreich | ok |
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| 16:46.27 | lyhana8 | hi, is there a way to filter non-link file in konqueror ? |
| 16:47.19 | a-st | could it be caused by LDFLAGS ? |
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| 16:47.46 | annma | a-st: is this chakra or kde-mod? |
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| 16:48.02 | annma | I will ask in arch channel |
| 16:48.15 | a-st | annma: its the default kde pkgbuild |
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| 16:48.32 | annma | what channel is it then? |
| 16:48.37 | sreich | #archlinux |
| 16:48.39 | a-st | #archlinux |
| 16:48.52 | a-st | aargh one sec to late :D |
| 16:50.35 | annma | did you ask here a-st |
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| 16:51.23 | a-st | annma: did i ask where? |
| 16:52.04 | sreich | a-st: the channel |
| 16:52.07 | annma | in #archlinux |
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| 16:52.42 | a-st | annma: No. |
| 16:53.41 | annma | you should or look at arch forums |
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| 16:54.35 | a-st | Sure that it isn't an kde issue? |
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| 16:57.02 | a-st | What about the kernel? Could that be the fact? |
| 16:58.46 | sreich | *sigh*. |
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| 17:00.04 | viro`haz1d | a-st quit? |
| 17:00.10 | viro`haz1d | what was his issue? |
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| 17:01.59 | viro`haz1d | man memcpy |
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| 17:02.48 | sreich | ah |
| 17:03.24 | annma | the issue is http://dpaste.com/117809/ |
| 17:04.13 | viro`haz1d | is there a kde pastebin page? |
| 17:04.47 | sreich | kde.pastey.net I think |
| 17:04.51 | sreich | but it doesn't really matter |
| 17:05.04 | viro`haz1d | LMAO!!! |
| 17:05.23 | viro`haz1d | holly, did he what the heck he was doing?? |
| 17:05.38 | lyhana8 | could I customize the filter in konqueror to exclude symlink ? |
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| 17:06.56 | a-st | re |
| 17:07.03 | viro`haz1d | hey I do have an issu how good is the raster option in qt-gui? 'Use the alternative raster graphicssystem as default rendering engine' |
| 17:07.29 | viro`haz1d | a-st: are you still trying to get your sound working? |
| 17:08.08 | viro`haz1d | I use jack and kde sounds through jack interestingly |
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| 17:08.47 | a-st | viro`haz1d: I didn't have sound problems :) |
| 17:08.57 | viro`haz1d | ah |
| 17:09.01 | viro`haz1d | :\ |
| 17:09.35 | viro`haz1d | a-st: I reccomend you gentoo for testing versions of kde4 they usually install flawlessly |
| 17:10.17 | viro`haz1d | what about my question? |
| 17:10.37 | sreich | or you could just use kdesvn-build.. |
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| 17:11.27 | viro`haz1d | there are various overlays supporting testing stuff |
| 17:12.01 | viro`haz1d | I don't know what are you trying to do but that paste looks pretty messed up |
| 17:12.59 | a-st | sreich: I don't want the svn builds...just the unstable snapshots |
| 17:13.24 | sreich | what's the difference? |
| 17:13.35 | pinotree | an svn build _is_ an "unstable snapshot" |
| 17:13.50 | viro`haz1d | lmao |
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| 17:14.17 | viro`haz1d | is content with 4.3.3 |
| 17:14.29 | a-st | svn changes to frequently |
| 17:14.54 | viro`haz1d | a-st don't get me wrong, I appreciate testing 4.3.7, so when I'll get it will be stable :) |
| 17:15.38 | pinotree | a-st: what makes you think the "snapshots" done periodically are more stable than checking out svn at some point and compiling it? |
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| 17:15.47 | viro`haz1d | yours looks pretty svn to me ---> /home/a-st/KDE-4.4-Unstable/kde-4.4-unstable/build/kdelibs/trunk/src/kdelibs-4.3.74svn1044032/kdecore/ |
| 17:16.30 | annma | viro`haz1d: this is an arch pfg build package from kde svn |
| 17:16.30 | viro`haz1d | what about my question?? |
| 17:16.30 | viro`haz1d | the raster engine in qt-gui, is it worth it? |
| 17:16.41 | sreich | pinotree: ah, took the words right out of my mouth ;-) |
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| 17:18.56 | phlux | Do I need to install a plugin for kopete to handle AIM? |
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| 17:19.42 | pinotree | kopete as released in kdenetwork supports it |
| 17:20.09 | phlux | not when I emerge'd it |
| 17:20.16 | thiago_home | viro`haz1d: yes |
| 17:20.21 | thiago_home | viro`haz1d: it's faster than the native (X11) engine |
| 17:20.26 | pinotree | phlux: #gentoo-kde then |
| 17:20.38 | viro`haz1d | thiago_home: thanks |
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| 17:21.38 | QwertyM | remembers USE flags and shudders after memories from his P4 machine days come back. |
| 17:22.26 | viro`haz1d | QwertyM: now USE flags are check first and tells you about USE deps. |
| 17:22.39 | viro`haz1d | also euse -i 'use flag name' for info |
| 17:22.51 | QwertyM | oh, nice |
| 17:23.22 | viro`haz1d | these are the kopete USE flags currently --> addbookmarks alias aqua autoreplace bonjour connectionstatus contactnotes crypt debug elibc_FreeBSD emoticon |
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| 17:23.26 | viro`haz1d | s-manager facebook gadu groupwise handbook highlight history irc jabber jingle kdehiddenvisibility kdeprefix kernel_l |
| 17:23.29 | viro`haz1d | inux latex meanwhile msn netmeeting nowlistening oscar otr pipes privacy qq sametime skype slp sms ssl statistics tes |
| 17:23.32 | viro`haz1d | tbed texteffect translator urlpicpreview v4l2 webpresence winpopup xscreensaver yahoo |
| 17:23.40 | viro`haz1d | damn, didn't do it in one line :( |
| 17:23.48 | pinotree | viro`haz1d: wrong channel? ;) |
| 17:27.12 | vimpulse | viro`haz1d: what did you just tell us? |
| 17:28.06 | viro`haz1d | vimpulse: what? |
| 17:28.29 | vimpulse | viro`haz1d: what did you mean "... translator urlpicpreview v4l2 webpresence winpopup xscreensaver yahoo"? |
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| 17:29.17 | viro`haz1d | vimpulse: ah those are Gentoo USE flags, I think what amounts to configure options? |
| 17:30.27 | vimpulse | viro`haz1d: please /msg me your whole question again. I will answer in channel. |
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| 17:31.57 | Tirili | Hi |
| 17:32.04 | Tirili | I have a speaker icon in my kde4 system tray, but when I click on it, I only see a writing "Input Source 3" instead of a regulator. Do you know how to change it so that I can use my mouse wheel over it to change the volume? |
| 17:32.26 | vimpulse | viro`haz1d: are you there? |
| 17:32.47 | viro`haz1d | vimpulse: mm.. my question already answered |
| 17:32.49 | pinotree | Tirili: right click on the tray icon â set master channel |
| 17:32.59 | vimpulse | viro`haz1d: what was the answer? |
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| 17:33.10 | vimpulse | viro`haz1d: and what was the question? :) |
| 17:33.54 | viro`haz1d | the answer ---> 08:30 < thiago_home> viro`haz1d: yes 08:30 < thiago_home> viro`haz1d: it's faster than the native (X11) engine |
| 17:34.01 | Tirili | omg.. |
| 17:34.06 | Tirili | Why didn't I see that myself? |
| 17:34.10 | Tirili | I looked for minutes... |
| 17:34.14 | Tirili | Thank you! :D |
| 17:34.20 | pinotree | you're welcome |
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| 17:36.00 | viro`haz1d | oh speaking of which, where do I go about getting the new envy24control GUI mixer for kde4? kenvy24gui is fugly. |
| 17:36.45 | viro`haz1d | and the 1010LT mixer in the plain mixer takes two screens wide and halve monitor high. |
| 17:36.54 | viro`haz1d | unmanageable. |
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| 17:38.38 | viro`haz1d | or in which version of kde4 will be included? |
| 17:39.22 | viro`haz1d | vimpulse: there, I got a new question |
| 17:41.34 | viro`haz1d | vimpulse: ? |
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| 17:43.06 | a-st | maybe i'll setup a testing-gentoo |
| 17:43.46 | a-st | or i wait till next "release" |
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| 17:44.27 | QwertyM | a-st: use kdesvn-build, its not difficult to set it up! :) |
| 17:45.07 | a-st | QwertyM: Where do i get it? |
| 17:45.08 | viro`haz1d | a-st: there's the qting-edge kde and krazy-kde and other overlays. |
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| 17:45.29 | a-st | viro`haz1d: I preffer to stay by archlinux :) |
| 17:45.43 | QwertyM | a-st: its a script, available at: http://kdesvn-build.kde.org/ along with docs |
| 17:45.47 | viro`haz1d | also you don't need the whole OS in testing. |
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| 17:47.41 | viro`haz1d | mm.. I wish somebody knew |
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| 17:54.19 | CartoonCat | Hellos |
| 17:54.21 | viro`haz1d | how do I go about making a clock? I read is SVG format. I want to do my own design |
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| 17:54.49 | a-st_ | -.- |
| 17:54.51 | a-st_ | hmm |
| 17:54.55 | CartoonCat | Is it possible to tun off all the new fancy resource hogging transparentcies, fades, etc in kde4 ? i do not see it under system settings |
| 17:55.08 | viro`haz1d | can I pick up one existing and simply change the pics? |
| 17:55.26 | a-st_ | Can someone else try to compile the source tarball from kde-unstable? |
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| 17:55.51 | sreich | CartoonCat: desktop effects |
| 17:56.10 | CartoonCat | sreich: Where would that be at? |
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| 17:56.37 | CartoonCat | oh under desktop |
| 17:56.40 | sreich | yeah |
| 17:56.43 | viro`haz1d | System Settings -> Desktop -> |
| 17:56.52 | CartoonCat | mm, desktop effects is greyed out |
| 17:57.05 | CartoonCat | composting is disabled... |
| 17:57.14 | CartoonCat | and yet, all that is still going on? |
| 17:57.19 | sreich | yeah, that's strange.... |
| 17:57.31 | viro`haz1d | a-st_: perhaps you are missing dev dependencies. |
| 17:58.03 | a-st_ | viro`haz1d: sreich told me that the missing/wrong functions are in glibc |
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| 17:58.46 | sreich | whoa, what? no |
| 17:59.15 | viro`haz1d | a-st_: mm.. but what I mean, in order to compile such a big project many things got to be properly set up such as environmentals, things pointing at the proper place etc. |
| 17:59.38 | viro`haz1d | your glibc is prolly perfectly fine. |
| 17:59.44 | a-st_ | hm okay |
| 18:00.19 | viro`haz1d | a-st_: how did you try installing that? why do you want that version speciffically? |
| 18:00.31 | a-st_ | viro`haz1d: I didnt try to install it |
| 18:00.37 | a-st_ | i just wanted to compile ist |
| 18:00.51 | viro`haz1d | as he said and I mentioned it, set up a proper toolchain. |
| 18:01.24 | a-st_ | -s |
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| 18:01.35 | viro`haz1d | either his script or gentoo. |
| 18:02.04 | viro`haz1d | a-st_: you could try sabayon, which is a ready made gentoo then you can add overlays |
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| 18:02.59 | XenoPL | Hi all, just a quick question, can anyone tell me does Printer KCM module works with KDE language set to other than english? |
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| 18:04.26 | XenoPL | I found it by accident trying F12 beta, it worked fine when language was set to english, but it stopped when I've change the language to polish and relogged |
| 18:04.37 | CartoonCat | sreich: well, i had to enable everything then go and tick off everything under effect to disable it |
| 18:04.50 | sreich | strange. |
| 18:05.16 | CartoonCat | sreich: its not the only oddity on this gentoo install |
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| 18:06.49 | viro`haz1d | how to make my own clock? |
| 18:07.21 | a-st_ | What exactly does kdefake do? |
| 18:07.33 | krushia | http://omploader.org/vMnE0ZQ can anyone identify the source of that ugly docker thingy in bottom center? |
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| 18:09.46 | viro`haz1d | a-st_: less /home/a-st/KDE-4.4-Unstable/kde-4.4-unstable/build/kdelibs/trunk/src/kdelibs-4.3.74svn1044032/kdecore/fakes.c |
| 18:10.01 | sreich | krushia: couldn't you just right click it? |
| 18:10.20 | krushia | apparently right-clicking does noting |
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| 18:10.57 | TheUni | krushia: i'd say 'ps -A | grep -i dock' is a good start |
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| 18:11.57 | viro`haz1d | a-st_: can you paste bin fakes.c? |
| 18:12.26 | a-st_ | viro`haz1d: yes: http://dpaste.com/117836/ |
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| 18:23.59 | mech | Hello, I have a noob question about 4.3. I f I mess up and delete the folder view from the desktop, how can I get it back? |
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| 18:25.13 | sreich | mech: only by adding it anew |
| 18:25.34 | sreich | (there's no undo, if that's what you mean) |
| 18:25.49 | mech | Oh, is that difficult?? |
| 18:26.05 | sreich | no, just right click the desktop, make sure widgets are unlcoked |
| 18:26.08 | sreich | *unlocked |
| 18:26.17 | sreich | then right click again, and click add widgets |
| 18:26.23 | sreich | then search for folderview |
| 18:27.12 | mech | Thank you, I will give that a shot, be back in a sec. |
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| 18:29.24 | mech | Thank you very much, Ive been dinking with this a week, thanks. That was patetically easy. |
| 18:30.03 | sreich | you're welcome. |
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| 18:35.19 | a-st_ | now i got it working |
| 18:36.01 | a-st_ | i had to place all the #includes outside off the # ifdefs |
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| 18:38.35 | a-st_ | so the error is caused by #ifdefs |
| 18:41.27 | sreich | a-st_: what ifdef is that? |
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| 18:42.03 | a-st_ | sreich: I can't locate it exactly. |
| 18:42.04 | bmatthew | hello guys |
| 18:42.22 | a-st_ | i just moved all th #include outside of the #ifdef |
| 18:42.49 | sreich | ... |
| 18:42.55 | sreich | that sounds pretty bad to be honest. |
| 18:43.19 | bmatthew | let me start off by saying i have a triple core processor and a quite capable video card. every time i open an application in kde it takes about 3 - 4 seconds to open, i mean everything, even a konsole. compositing has no hiccups though. |
| 18:43.46 | bmatthew | when i open an application the bouncing icon next to the cursor stops, everything else becomes unselectable, and this all ends about 4 seconds later |
| 18:43.58 | a-st_ | sreich: it works.... |
| 18:45.00 | bmatthew | im using archlinux and kde 4.3-3 i believe |
| 18:46.32 | bmatthew | i should also note that cpu usage spikes on one of my cores when an application is launched |
| 18:46.58 | jownahs | bmatthew: no such issue here with 4.3.3 (kdemod on arch), but then i don't utilize that gh3y bouncing icon :P |
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| 18:49.08 | bmatthew | jownahs: yeah, i just got kde, not kdemod |
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| 18:50.50 | catamarquence | hello! Im usin kubuntu, kde 4.3.3 ... what files do i have to copy to /etc/skel to make all users on the computer have the same desktop look? |
| 18:50.52 | bmatthew | just disabled compositing and the issue is still there, so it's definitely not that |
| 18:51.03 | QwertyM | bmatthew: launching them from konsole is giving any unusual output? |
| 18:51.33 | bmatthew | QwertyM: nope, in fact they have no hiccups being launched from a terminal |
| 18:51.42 | bmatthew | QwertyM: it's just when i use the launchers |
| 18:51.53 | QwertyM | oh, hmm |
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| 18:52.07 | bmatthew | QwertyM: very strange |
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| 18:54.09 | muep__ | catamarquence: /etc/skel is just a template for new users |
| 18:54.15 | QwertyM | could it be an issue with the .desktop files? I wonder.. |
| 18:54.30 | muep__ | catamarquence: modifying its contents won't affect existing user accounts |
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| 18:56.55 | bmatthew | QwertyM: well, i haven't modified them at all |
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| 18:57.24 | catamarquence | muep__: yeah i know... but thats what im tryin to do... i want new users to have my desktop settings... |
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| 19:01.07 | QwertyM | bmatthew: how long has this been occuring? installed something recently? |
| 19:01.23 | bmatthew | QwertyM: just installed kde yesterday |
| 19:02.55 | a-st_ | sreich: now i know where the has to be outside of #ifdef |
| 19:04.01 | a-st_ | sreich: #include <string.h> needs to be outside of #ifdef |
| 19:04.13 | sreich | what ifdef was that? |
| 19:04.19 | a-st_ | sreich: i put i on the top of fake.c |
| 19:04.21 | QwertyM | bmatthew: run kdeinit4 in konsole and let it be open, then try launching some app and see if you notice any debug output from klauncher, arch's packages do come with those messages I think |
| 19:04.30 | a-st_ | sreich: the first i think |
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| 19:14.45 | a-st_ | sreich: maybe you can fix that :) |
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| 19:20.43 | annma | a-st_: you need to find out why it did not work in your case |
| 19:21.04 | Elmaron | how can I turn off konsole asking me if I want to close a tab because app XYZ is still running in it? |
| 19:21.12 | annma | the #include <string.h> cannot be used for all archs |
| 19:21.23 | a-st_ | annma: i had to place string.h outside of the first #ifdef |
| 19:21.43 | annma | a-st_: but that won't work for all archs |
| 19:21.56 | annma | why did it fail for you is the question |
| 19:22.11 | annma | the ifdefs have a purpose |
| 19:22.28 | a-st_ | #ifndef HAVE_SETENV maybe this is false so it doesn't enter the ifndef |
| 19:22.36 | annma | why then |
| 19:22.45 | annma | it works for all other users |
| 19:23.26 | a-st_ | in #archlinux.de they told me that the code isn't fine |
| 19:23.34 | annma | why? |
| 19:23.51 | annma | propose a sane patch then |
| 19:24.02 | annma | putting that include outside a ifdef won't work |
| 19:24.28 | annma | furthermore it works for 99.999% users |
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| 19:24.55 | annma | so if archlinux packagers have a problem they can submit it to the kde packagers list for a start |
| 19:25.09 | a-st_ | okay |
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| 19:25.27 | annma | and if you have a problem you need to submit a sane patch that can be tested on other rchs (linux, solaris, windows, mac) |
| 19:26.33 | annma | I am used to fix build when it's broken but in that case you need to be very cautious |
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| 19:49.15 | xtom | Hi, I have problem with turning of kde trough Kmenu |
| 19:49.22 | xtom | can somebody help? |
| 19:49.37 | thiago_home | turning? |
| 19:49.41 | thiago_home | as in screen rotation? |
| 19:50.01 | xtom | let say when i select shutdown |
| 19:50.12 | xtom | small window with count down appear |
| 19:50.14 | thiago_home | that shouldn't turn anything |
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| 19:50.41 | xtom | ok power off machine, that is better explanation |
| 19:50.47 | kirun | I think he meant "turning off", which is same as shutdown |
| 19:51.02 | xtom | kirun: exactly |
| 19:51.20 | xtom | when I click to shutdown nothing happening |
| 19:51.29 | xtom | same with logout |
| 19:52.24 | xtom | I also tried start plasma-destop from konsole without detaching to see some debug |
| 19:52.32 | xtom | but nothing useful |
| 19:52.37 | thiago_home | plasma doesn't control the session |
| 19:52.39 | thiago_home | ksmserver does |
| 19:52.56 | xtom | do you have idea what it can be |
| 19:52.57 | xtom | ? |
| 19:53.08 | thiago_home | no |
| 19:53.21 | xtom | in this case somebody else? |
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| 19:57.03 | rubikcube_home | hi, one problem with kdm (3.5.10) on gentoo-amd64: Whenever I log out, kdm starts alright, but it doesn't respond to the alt key anymore, meaning that I can't shutdown the PC simply with alt-s anymore. I have to use the mouse instead. |
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| 19:57.33 | thiago_home | KDE 3 no longer supported |
| 19:57.49 | rubikcube_home | hmm, I was afraid this would be the answr :/ |
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| 19:58.08 | rubikcube_home | so then, when will kdm be graphically configurable again? |
| 19:58.19 | rubikcube_home | (with themes and such?) |
| 19:59.10 | bmatthew | I had a problem earlier that I have fixed, regarding poor plasma performance, turned out to be the fault of nvidia's proprietary graphics driver |
| 19:59.24 | bmatthew | Just thought I would let everyone know for future reference, it's not a very easy problem to narrow down |
| 19:59.33 | kde185 | I'm having some trouble building qt-copy(I know it's deprecated, but I'm letting kdesvn-build do the compiling while I update git manually). Are there any instructions on how to build qt so I can use kdesvn-build? I can't find any resources on it since qt moved to git. |
| 19:59.56 | bmatthew | enabling some of these X11 options located here (http://userbase.kde.org/GPU-Performance#General_hints) solved my problem |
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| 20:00.32 | kde185 | I also have a configure failure here( http://pastebin.ca/1662410 ) |
| 20:01.44 | bmatthew | If it says it's enabled by default... well, don't listen to that and just enable it to be safe lol |
| 20:01.47 | sreich | bmatthew: yeah, as a general rule of thumb, Drivers Suck(tm) |
| 20:01.59 | kde185 | I know how to build things in Linux, I just don't know what options or features I need to enable and where to enable them |
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| 20:03.03 | bmatthew | sreich: yeah no kidding, gpu-wise anyways |
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| 20:18.37 | sreich | bmatthew: not jsut gpu |
| 20:18.54 | sreich | look at creative labs. An example of proprietary shit. |
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| 20:21.32 | sreich | wonders how good nouveau is.. |
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| 20:25.58 | Cremuss | Hi. I can't start dolphin since today, don't know why. I googled the error and it showed a lot of result but I couldn't find any solution : http://pastebin.com/d52d6c332 |
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| 20:26.05 | Cremuss | do you have any ideas ? thanks |
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| 20:28.44 | schiv | is there some way i can remove the blue glow from windec? |
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| 20:29.05 | schiv | i just want a shadow, nothing else. |
| 20:31.19 | thiago_home | what blue glow? |
| 20:31.47 | thiago_home | everything is grey |
| 20:31.55 | schiv | uhmm..isn't there a default blue tint/glow around the border? |
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| 20:32.24 | Torch | there is. on my desktop at least. |
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| 20:33.21 | thiago_home | ah, yes, there is |
| 20:33.28 | thiago_home | change the theme source code then |
| 20:33.32 | viro`hazrd | when's kde3 officially deprecated completely |
| 20:33.48 | thiago_home | viro`hazrd: two years ago |
| 20:33.52 | thiago_home | almost |
| 20:33.56 | thiago_home | January 17, 2008 |
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| 21:07.59 | sourcemaker | is there a alternative distro to kubuntu which is prefered for kde? it seems that kubuntu is very unstable and buggy... |
| 21:08.28 | Torch | sourcemaker: opinions vary wildly. |
| 21:08.45 | Torch | sourcemaker: i'm happy with kubuntu. others prefer opensuse, fedora or mandriva. |
| 21:08.49 | sourcemaker | I use kubuntu sice the last 3 years... and with every major release.. kubuntu is getting more unstable... |
| 21:08.58 | a-st_ | sourcemaker: I prefer Arch Linux |
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| 21:09.22 | sourcemaker | ok |
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| 21:17.13 | enyawix | how do i adjust my panel color. most of the stuff is too dark to see |
| 21:17.25 | sreich | use a different plasma theme |
| 21:17.59 | enyawix | sreich: i tried that just the panel is dark |
| 21:18.01 | sekisushai | hello, how to have the notifications windows in the task bar in foreground and not in background ? |
| 21:18.31 | enyawix | i think i found a bug |
| 21:18.53 | sreich | enyawix: I don't know what you mean by "dark" |
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| 21:20.09 | ebdomino | ++ |
| 21:20.11 | enyawix | sreich as in almost black |
| 21:20.25 | Torch | enyawix: can you provide a screenshot? |
| 21:20.35 | sreich | yes, words do not account for it. |
| 21:20.35 | enyawix | o just fixed |
| 21:20.37 | enyawix | :) |
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| 21:21.07 | enyawix | yes this is a bug |
| 21:21.12 | enyawix | i can reproduce |
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| 21:21.20 | enyawix | i will make a bug report |
| 21:21.32 | enyawix | thanks for your help |
| 21:21.55 | enyawix | sreich thanks for helping me |
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| 21:22.42 | RaftaMan | hi, kwrite is printing some squares randomly instead of normal chars like m or ). the file-encoding is utf8 and the printer is an hp2605. any hints for me? |
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| 21:23.01 | RaftaMan | printing work fine with other applications |
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| 21:23.13 | thiago_home | only for those characters? |
| 21:23.31 | RaftaMan | thiago_home: on the last two pages... yes |
| 21:23.42 | troy | RaftaMan: try printing that same file with a non-kde text editor to see if it's the file or kwrite... (if you have one installed) |
| 21:23.44 | sekisushai | hello, how to have the notifications windows in the task bar in foreground and not in background ? |
| 21:23.48 | RaftaMan | but yesterday even for the 9s in the header |
| 21:24.29 | Torch | sekisushai: they should be in the foreground. can you make a screenshot how it looks for you? |
| 21:24.36 | RaftaMan | it's definitely kwrite, gedit printing is fine |
| 21:25.05 | RaftaMan | kate is doing the same, btw |
| 21:25.22 | troy | kate and kwrite are the same program, more or less |
| 21:25.28 | troy | with different user interfaces |
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| 21:25.43 | RaftaMan | troy: ok, great. any idea how2fix? |
| 21:26.01 | sekisushai | ok |
| 21:26.27 | troy | never heard of bug like that before - my suggestion is to try a non-kde text editor to see if it behaves the same way - that can at least rule out a problem in the file itself |
| 21:26.46 | Torch | troy: [22:24:36] <RaftaMan> it's definitely kwrite, gedit printing is fine |
| 21:26.54 | troy | ah, missed that |
| 21:27.20 | RaftaMan | printing into a pdf-file and then printing the pdf-file with okular also works |
| 21:27.41 | troy | hrm - wonder if it's a broken font... |
| 21:28.38 | RaftaMan | hmm... it's not always the same character |
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| 21:28.56 | RaftaMan | the Ms on the last page were fine |
| 21:29.13 | sekisushai | http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4894/73455513.jpg |
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| 21:29.18 | sekisushai | here is a screenshot |
| 21:29.28 | sekisushai | the notification windows is in the foreground... |
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| 21:31.04 | troy | things sekisushai accidentially drags the notification windows onto the desktop |
| 21:31.19 | troy | and then they got stuck there |
| 21:33.11 | sekisushai | that is to say ? |
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| 21:33.28 | sekisushai | i would the notification windows in the foreground, not in the background |
| 21:35.21 | troy | sekisushai: we understand - I'm trying to figure out how to fix your problem |
| 21:35.34 | sekisushai | ok, thank you |
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| 21:36.11 | viro`hazrd | sup |
| 21:36.27 | viro`hazrd | is there a e17 theme for kde? |
| 21:36.30 | troy | RaftaMan: I really don't know what's going on with the printing - it's a really strange bug if it's doing it to random letters... I mean, that sounds like the kind of annoying thing that a high-school virus writer would do in the early 90s :P |
| 21:36.56 | RaftaMan | well this sucks... anyone know an editor with fancy colorful code-hightlighting like kate? |
| 21:37.02 | troy | viro`hazrd: not that I'm aware of, but you can use KDE programs from within e17 if you want to do it that way... |
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| 21:37.50 | troy | RaftaMan: you might want to try reinstalling or updating your kate/kwrite packages in your distro - maybe something got bugged up |
| 21:38.06 | RaftaMan | troy: k, brb |
| 21:39.12 | troy | sekisushai: do you have your desktop locked? try unlocking it and then tell me if the notifications change at all |
| 21:39.19 | viro`hazrd | how to use kde programs within e17? |
| 21:39.22 | troy | thinks they might be locked to the desktop |
| 21:39.31 | thiago_home | viro`hazrd: run them |
| 21:39.45 | troy | viro`hazrd: start e17 normally, then start a KDE program like konqueror or dolphin - it'll run pretty normally |
| 21:39.46 | viro`hazrd | they don't need the engine ot run? |
| 21:39.50 | sekisushai | desktop unlocked, same problem |
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| 21:40.09 | Torch | sekisushai: if you move the mouse over the notification, do you get the sliding-out-thingy plasmoids have? |
| 21:40.14 | Torch | sekisushai: like, to close or resize it? |
| 21:40.27 | troy | Torch: that was my next question :) |
| 21:40.32 | Torch | troy: i knew ;-) |
| 21:40.38 | viro`hazrd | QSystemTrayIcon::setVisible: No Icon set |
| 21:40.54 | sekisushai | y'es i've |
| 21:41.01 | RaftaMan | troy: no luck with reinstalling :( |
| 21:41.04 | Torch | sekisushai: then troy is right. |
| 21:41.08 | thiago_home | viro`hazrd: what engine? |
| 21:41.09 | Torch | sekisushai: click on the close icon |
| 21:41.15 | Torch | sekisushai: that should fix it |
| 21:41.26 | troy | the close icon on the left or right (not the one on top) |
| 21:41.34 | viro`hazrd | don't know, kmix is the only one not starting |
| 21:42.12 | viro`hazrd | dolphin works |
| 21:42.37 | sekisushai | the problem persists .. |
| 21:43.45 | troy | wonders if we should have sekisushai remove his share/plasma-* - sekisushai would have to reconfigure the desktop/toolbars/etc. |
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| 21:43.53 | viro`hazrd | I was thinking about this, make themes that are look-alike to every other WM, DE out there but in kde4 with native qt4. |
| 21:44.09 | viro`hazrd | then make the windowing tabbed option and tiled as well. |
| 21:44.30 | viro`hazrd | tabbed windowing like fluxbox and tiling like other tiling WM's out there |
| 21:44.34 | troy | viro`hazrd: lots of work - we used to have an icewm theme loader, and some look-alike themes for other oses, but they were poorly maintained |
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| 21:45.02 | troy | viro`hazrd: and besides, kde is designed to allow you to use any window manager you want - so if you really want a certain theme, you can just use that window manager |
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| 21:45.38 | troy | viro`hazrd: tabbed windows is (being) implemented already |
| 21:45.54 | sekisushai | i try |
| 21:46.02 | viro`hazrd | HAW!TT |
| 21:46.20 | viro`hazrd | which version comes out with? |
| 21:48.42 | troy | sekisushai: alright - the files that store your plasma settings are in ~/.kde/share/plasma*appletsrc - you can move them away, rename them, or delete them. Then restart plasma with ALT-F2->"kquitapp plasma" then ALT-F2->"plasma" |
| 21:49.03 | sreich | plasma-desktop, you mean. |
| 21:49.14 | troy | sreich: oh, right - /me is behind the times again |
| 21:50.05 | troy | sreich: I put an asterix in there to snag both plasma-appletsrc and plasma-desktop-appletsrc |
| 21:50.20 | sreich | heh |
| 21:50.20 | troy | but forgot that plasma got renamed to plasma-desktop |
| 21:50.56 | troy | never has problems with plasma these days, so hasn't been keeping up on the troubleshooting |
| 21:50.58 | viro`hazrd | how to make a clock plasma? |
| 21:51.23 | troy | viro`hazrd: don't understand your question |
| 21:51.37 | viro`hazrd | all I want is to make a different design. |
| 21:51.50 | troy | viro`hazrd: like, retheme the clock? |
| 21:51.54 | viro`hazrd | you know the analog clock? |
| 21:52.04 | viro`hazrd | yes |
| 21:52.14 | QwertyM | svg changes should do |
| 21:52.21 | troy | viro`hazrd: the theme is stored in an svg file - you can find that file and modify the svg images using inkscape or similar |
| 21:52.27 | viro`hazrd | I am not a coder so only put my own svg wherever needs that to go. |
| 21:53.11 | viro`hazrd | well, can I keep like an extra clock in order not to mess up the original? Like called 'Testing Clock' |
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| 21:53.46 | troy | viro`hazrd: well, kde 4.3.3 doesn't have tabbed windows yet, that I'm aware of - maybe 4.4, but don't quote me on that |
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| 21:54.30 | onestoppcdoc | digikam is pure win under KDE 4.3.2, congrats all |
| 21:55.00 | viro`hazrd | does m$$ and o$$ X have tabbed windows?? else kde4 will be ahead of everything in the universe |
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| 21:55.29 | mo2000 | hi |
| 21:55.33 | cb400f | it is/will be regardless of the tabs ;-) |
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| 21:56.14 | troy | onestoppcdoc: drop an email to the digikam authors (their info should be in the about box - in particular Gilles loves feedback) |
| 21:56.37 | sekisushai | troy : what directory to remove ? |
| 21:57.23 | troy | sekisushai: the files called plasma-desktop-appletsrc and plasma-appletsrc in ~/.kde/share/config |
| 21:57.36 | troy | sekisushai: and you don't have to remove them - just rename them to .backup or similar |
| 21:58.11 | troy | sekisushai: on some distros .kde -> .kde4 |
| 21:59.03 | sekisushai | and i restart x ? |
| 21:59.47 | cb400f | nope.. you should have quit plasma before (re)moving the files |
| 21:59.56 | cb400f | .. and then just restart plasma |
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| 22:00.26 | cb400f | alt+f2 -> 'kquitapp plasma-desktop' ... then 'alt+f2 -> 'plasma-desktop' |
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| 22:02.03 | sekisushai | yeah, fixed |
| 22:02.08 | sekisushai | thank you a lot ! |
| 22:02.10 | sekisushai | :) |
| 22:02.13 | viro`haz1d | so where's the Clock plasma items? |
| 22:02.17 | troy | sekisushai: de rien :) |
| 22:02.39 | mo2000 | Maybe stupid idea/question: Are two Menu/Control Bars from Host A (direct) and Host B( via ssh -x) in same session possible ? (The idea is to use the original Menu from Host B) |
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| 22:03.26 | troy | mo2000: you might be the only person in all of KDE trying to do that configuration :) |
| 22:03.39 | sekisushai | lol, my english is so bad :p... |
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| 22:04.00 | troy | sekisushai: it's okay - we understood the problem once there was a screenshot |
| 22:04.07 | viro`haz1d | anybody? |
| 22:04.16 | mo2000 | troy: maybe i am the __first__ person who ask about it :D |
| 22:04.22 | troy | sekisushai: there is a (mostly dormant) #kde-fr, and some french language forums for KDE on the internet |
| 22:04.34 | troy | viro`hazrd: might ask in #plasma |
| 22:05.02 | sekisushai | lol i'm trying to improve my english so :p |
| 22:05.36 | troy | sekisushai: well, irc is a good place to improve reading/writing of slang :) |
| 22:05.56 | troy | sekisushai: and honestly, most people in KDE do not speak English natively - it's just the modern linqua franca :) |
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| 22:06.50 | mo2000 | troy i have 4 Screens side by side... 3 Computers... currently i switch sessins via ALT-CTRL-Fx... to have not all programms i need together i start them via ssh -x on one session... so why should it be impossibel to start a prog that displays a Menu bar via ssh -x ???? |
| 22:07.47 | troy | mo2000: you're referring to the osx style menu-on-top menu bar? |
| 22:09.24 | mo2000 | troy: something like this... but with 2 X-clients |
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| 22:10.43 | Torch | mo2000: you want an application launcher that launches programs remotely? |
| 22:11.00 | mo2000 | Troch: exactly |
| 22:11.11 | troy | Torch: ah - makes more sense :) |
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| 22:11.37 | ghabit | Hello. Help me please - what means opengl settings @ systemsettings (shared memory, secure mode, etc.)? |
| 22:11.54 | Torch | mo2000: that would require a plasmoid that does exactly this... doesn't exist, probably. running plasma over x-forwarding won't solve this, i guess. |
| 22:12.42 | mo2000 | Torch: but i want same menu tree from the server where is launch the programs |
| 22:12.49 | troy | Torch: does ssh have a way to automatically start a program after login? if so, he could create the appropriate .desktop files to login, then remotely launch sometihng |
| 22:12.57 | ghabit | Also, I have not some systemsounds - like sound of cleaning trash, etc. |
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| 22:13.21 | troy | mo2000: sounds like you should be using NFS mounted /home instead of ssh |
| 22:13.23 | Torch | mo2000, troy: the problem seems to me that ssh x-forwarding runs _applications_. and the menu is a _plasmoid_ |
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| 22:14.11 | mo2000 | troy: when ssh is killed the running process gets a sighup... like when killing xserver |
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| 22:14.48 | troy | Torch: he might be able to create a psuedo-plasmoid by using plasmoid-viewer and changing the window manager settings (no frame, always on top, etc.) |
| 22:15.10 | Torch | troy: sounds scary ;-) |
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| 22:15.48 | pinotree | embeds troy into a bouncing ball plasmoid |
| 22:16.22 | troy | pinotree: hey! that's bad for my posture! :P |
| 22:16.51 | mo2000 | hrhr |
| 22:17.26 | troy | mo2000: over ssh, try running "plasmoidviewer -f horizontal launcher" |
| 22:18.13 | troy | mo2000: then position it someplace useful, kill the window border, and set 'always on top' (ALT-F3 is your friend) |
| 22:18.28 | troy | mo2000: my best solution - anyone else, feel free to trump :) |
| 22:18.46 | mo2000 | It must be possible... i started virt-manager via ssh -x and open a virt-viewer... both are displayed via x-forwarding... so its not a question that it can be done... its the question __how__ it can be done |
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| 22:19.22 | troy | mo2000: well, you can't load a plasmoid from the other computer (yet - there is some hope this might happen in the future) |
| 22:19.30 | Torch | mo2000: i don't know what virt-manager is, but troy's approach might actually work ;-) |
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| 22:20.01 | gazra | Hello, can someone please tell me how to deactivate kwallet manager remote from an ssh console? Please!!! My mothers kwallet is damaged and she cannot access anything. |
| 22:20.28 | troy | Torch: I mean, it'd still show up in ALT-TAB, and on the taskbar - but I'm sure that there's kwin settings someplace to fix that too |
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| 22:20.54 | Torch | gazra: what do you mean by "deactivate kwallet manager"? this won't solve her problems if the wallet itself is damaged, it will just take away the manager. |
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| 22:21.24 | Torch | gazra: or, in other words, what's the real problem your mother has? |
| 22:21.27 | gazra | yes, I need to make kontact not to look for passwords on kwallet |
| 22:21.46 | mo2000 | Torch: virt-manager is to manage qemu/kvm/xen/... VM... the thing is that they start clientprocess on same host and use same x-forwarding |
| 22:21.49 | Torch | gazra: ok... kwallt has a setting for this in a config file... i don't remember right now where that is... anyone? |
| 22:22.01 | troy | shrugs |
| 22:22.03 | gazra | My mother has all the passwords, the problem is that she cannot put them manually, since the active kwallet is somehow unaccesible |
| 22:22.11 | Torch | goes looking. |
| 22:22.39 | Torch | gazra: ~/.kde/share/config/kwalletrc (that was easy!) |
| 22:22.52 | Torch | gazra: there's a section [Auto Deny] |
| 22:23.13 | Torch | gazra: add any app your mother uses to the kdewallet-list |
| 22:23.28 | Torch | wonders if it wouldn't be easier to uninstall kwallet... is that possible? |
| 22:23.38 | pinotree | just disable it |
| 22:23.47 | Torch | gazra: there's also "Enabled=true" in there |
| 22:23.48 | Torch | pinotree: exactly |
| 22:23.56 | gazra | No |
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| 22:24.00 | Torch | gazra: no? |
| 22:24.11 | troy | you could move away ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl and ~/.kde/share/config/kwalletrc and start fresh |
| 22:25.01 | gazra | troy: If i remove both, then kwallet will be activated, I want to deactivate it for good! |
| 22:25.13 | Torch | gazra: just set Enabled to false then |
| 22:25.26 | gazra | Torch: where? |
| 22:25.41 | Torch | gazra: in ~/.kde/share/config/kwalletrc |
| 22:26.00 | gazra | Torch: Should I write: Enabled=false at the end of kwalletrc? |
| 22:26.03 | Torch | gazra: this file should have a [Wallet] section (it has for me) |
| 22:26.09 | troy | likes kwallet - svn is storing passwords in it these days! weee |
| 22:26.20 | gazra | Torch: Are you using kde 4.3? |
| 22:26.25 | Torch | gazra: yes. |
| 22:26.42 | troy | has that section, kde 4.3.3 |
| 22:26.58 | Torch | gazra: you mother doesn't have that section? |
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| 22:27.29 | gazra | Torch: In my kwalletrc I had only [Auto Allow] kwallet=kwalletmanager... |
| 22:27.37 | gazra | Torch: That was all |
| 22:27.52 | mo2000 | troy: in what version "plasmoid"s supported? |
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| 22:28.38 | troy | mo2000: what kde version? plasma came with KDE 4 - I was assuming you had KDE 4... |
| 22:28.46 | Torch | gazra: http://pastebin.ca/1662635 -- this is how it looks for me |
| 22:29.00 | Torch | gazra: just add the [Wallet] section and set the Enabled key to false |
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| 22:29.31 | mo2000 | :( currently using debian/lenny -> kde3.x |
| 22:29.49 | Torch | :-o |
| 22:30.12 | troy | mo2000: well, that makes a big difference to our conversation :) |
| 22:30.17 | Torch | mo2000: run the kicker remotely via x-forwarding... that should just work. |
| 22:30.57 | mo2000 | outch... it runs... very funny things happend.... |
| 22:30.59 | Torch | troy: i really like how elegantly you put that ;-) |
| 22:31.36 | Torch | mo2000: that's normal. it's kde 3's kicker after all ;-) |
| 22:31.49 | troy | mo2000: it should give you a panel that belongs to your remote system - but it doesn't behave nicely :) |
| 22:31.57 | mo2000 | it displays bars like i want... but then big war begins... |
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| 22:32.15 | troy | mo2000: two panels fighting for the bottom of the screen? |
| 22:33.26 | troy | likes the plasma psuedo-solution better :) now I'm going to play with plasmoidviewer some more... |
| 22:33.30 | kde185 | I'm trying to build kde from svn but it seems that it can't find the gstreamer header "gst/gst.h". I know that it's installed but it can't seem to find it. Error log: http://pastebin.com/d45a2db60 |
| 22:33.35 | mo2000 | the original bar and the new bar fighting who stays on top of the other it is like you put two male bunny's in one box :D |
| 22:33.59 | troy | mo2000: hahaha |
| 22:34.03 | mo2000 | troy: :D |
| 22:34.17 | troy | mo2000: move one of them to the top of the screen or something |
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| 22:34.42 | troy | or kill the local panel (if you don't need it) |
| 22:35.07 | mo2000 | troy somthing like this |
| 22:35.22 | mo2000 | but this is much more than i found by my self |
| 22:35.28 | mo2000 | Thank you |
| 22:36.34 | troy | mo2000: when you finally migrate to kde 4, we might have a better solution for you then :) I heard that the plasma team is working on loading of remote widgets :) |
| 22:37.09 | troy | pinotree: can I get out of my bouncing ball yet? :P |
| 22:37.15 | troy | gets dizzy |
| 22:37.19 | pinotree | ... tomorrow :P |
| 22:37.35 | mo2000 | troy: i dont like the Lock&Feel -> switching away from Windows for that.... i like the "classic" Style |
| 22:39.04 | troy | mo2000: well, each to their own, I guess :) there are some themes that can make it feel pretty old school :) |
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| 22:40.53 | troy | thinks, KDE2 Windows decorations, "Windows" widget style, "Aya" plasma theme plus "classic" KDE 3 menu... |
| 22:41.01 | sreich | ick...kde2..windows.. |
| 22:41.04 | sreich | shivers |
| 22:41.18 | troy | I too can have 1998 back :) |
| 22:41.35 | sreich | no! no time machines for you |
| 22:41.57 | troy | oh, turn off anti-aliasing too, and use the hicolour icon theme from kde 1.1.2 :P |
| 22:42.13 | troy | and dump screen resolution down to 800x600x8 |
| 22:42.14 | sreich | use a 640x400 resolution too |
| 22:42.19 | cb400f | mo2000: http://mschlander.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/is-kde-42-too-shiny |
| 22:42.23 | mo2000 | troy: maybe there is a time when i feel that this old style "Windows" is to old... but currently i am a "beginner" with graphical UI on *ux and i dont like to interpret bugs as my own misstakes... |
| 22:42.28 | sreich | naw, monochrome screens are the ways of the futures |
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| 22:43.41 | sreich | 's eyes have burn in, from that image.. |
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| 22:44.54 | troy | wow! cb400f, the comments are amusing: "With this info I can now upgrade to kde 4 and finally let go of kde 3.5" |
| 22:45.02 | cb400f | yup :-) |
| 22:45.35 | troy | cb400f: it's almost as if people forget that the app menu and desktop are still plasma when it doesn't look shiny :) |
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| 22:46.18 | troy | cb400f: I believe the correct term would then become 'luddites' :) "I want my wooden shoes back!" |
| 22:46.24 | sreich | troy: yeah, I don't understand why some people *hate* things that are unpretty |
| 22:46.45 | sreich | do they apply that concept to just software, or is their whole life (house, clothes, car, etc.) ugly? |
| 22:46.50 | troy | sreich: double negative in there, or am I getting confused... |
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| 22:47.29 | sreich | troy: hm..you're right.. -un, I think. |
| 22:47.39 | sreich | yeah, that's it. :) |
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| 22:49.44 | troy | cb400f: you missed switching to the pre kde-3.1 icon theme :) |
| 22:50.52 | troy | cb400f: I think it's in kdeartwork someplace - dannya was porting it to kde 4 a while back - not sure if that ever got finished |
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| 22:51.50 | cb400f | hehe.. it was just a quick proof of concept.. wanted to show people they can easily make kde4 as ugly as they want to :-) |
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| 22:52.21 | mo2000 | troy: after moving the bars to different borders the "male bunny effect" is gone -> Perfect for me |
| 22:52.36 | Steven_M | hi all |
| 22:52.41 | Steven_M | are konversation server passwords stored in plan text or an encripted file? |
| 22:52.44 | sreich | "male bunny effect"?? |
| 22:52.58 | Sho_ | Steven_M: plain text |
| 22:53.13 | troy | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/KDEArtWork.port/IconThemes/kdeclassic/ |
| 22:53.46 | Steven_M | Sho_: which file? |
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| 22:53.53 | Sho_ | Steven_M: konversationrc |
| 22:54.21 | troy | Sho_: do you have a notification set up on keyword 'konversation'? that was fast response :) |
| 22:54.32 | Sho_ | troy: sure, for everything I work on |
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| 22:55.02 | troy | Sho_: you should get some kind of medal for user support :) |
| 22:55.08 | Sho_ | troy: and also for things like "ops" in case a troll shows up and someone says "are there any ops?" |
| 22:55.18 | troy | Sho_: I heard ettrich has one you can borrow :) |
| 22:55.24 | Sho_ | troy: heh :) |
| 22:55.38 | Steven_M | Sho_: thanks :) |
| 22:56.05 | Sho_ | you're welcome |
| 22:56.20 | troy | Sho_: I should do that too, for the odd occasion when pinotree is sleeping :P |
| 22:56.34 | pinotree | ... |
| 22:57.02 | troy | see, he's always watching *cue spooky music...* |
| 22:57.09 | sreich | nonsense, he's never been proven to sleep. |
| 22:57.25 | Sho_ | troy: tends to go to bed between 2 AM and 3 AM CE(S)T |
| 22:58.20 | pinotree | takes cookies and watches the conversation |
| 22:58.27 | Sho_ | oh hey pinotree :) |
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| 22:58.34 | troy | pinotree: any for me? *bounces* |
| 22:58.45 | pinotree | no :P |
| 22:58.50 | sreich | oh! that's a good idea.. |
| 22:58.53 | sreich | goes and makes cookies |
| 22:59.21 | troy | reaches into lower drawer of desk and finds no-name brand knock-off fudgeos... |
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| 23:19.59 | kimael | Hello |
| 23:20.30 | mo2000 | gn8 @ # |
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| 23:20.38 | kimael | Could you tell me What SVN client I can use with KDE4 ? |
| 23:20.52 | sreich | any svn client. |
| 23:20.57 | kimael | :) |
| 23:21.18 | kimael | I meant an integrated one. |
| 23:21.27 | sreich | dolphin is partially integrated |
| 23:21.30 | kimael | like kdesvn for KDE 3. |
| 23:21.35 | sreich | kdev4 has some nice support |
| 23:21.43 | sreich | kdesvn has a port for 4 |
| 23:21.56 | sreich | there's also qsvn I think. |
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| 23:23.27 | kimael | ok, kdesvn for KDE4 is simply tagged "not stable" in Gentoo. Thank you :) |
| 23:24.15 | sreich | yeah, it crashes every once in a while for me. No big deal though.. |
| 23:24.54 | kimael | oki |
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| 23:25.28 | sreich | kimael: it isn't like if it crashes, it takes down kde's repo with it, or something. |
| 23:25.38 | kimael | lol |
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| 23:51.31 | andrew3 | Hi, I am using kde-4.2.4 on Mandriva 2009 spring regularly updated. I have tried looking at the thread http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=82620 about multiple wallpapers on multiple desktops and the advice is not helping as I have no Configure Plasma option (or it is too well hidden). What can I do to get individual wallpapers on my desktops? |
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| 23:54.14 | estevao | key guys |
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| 23:57.28 | estevao | i'm using kde 4.3.3 and I'm trying do rearrange the itens (openned aplications) in the task manager... I've searched and tried some configurations, but its not working til now... some idea? |
| 23:58.04 | sreich | huh? you just said "but its not working til now". Okay, so if it's working, what's the question? |
