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00:03.32roam_Groo_: do I need both prepends?
00:04.30_Groo_roam: lol, no its just one
00:04.34_Groo_roam: my mistake sorry
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00:09.03roam_Groo_: it should work for dhcp, but mine is a pppd connection
00:10.11_Groo_roam: ppp over ethernet? pppoe?
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00:11.00roamno, plain ppp
00:11.08_Groo_roam: hmmm
00:11.25_Groo_roam: use kppp and add the nameservers to manual config
00:11.33_Groo_roam: or add them to the ppp.cfg file
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00:23.08jcohi, I've been asked to try to reproduce a bug in a KDE software using the svn version. Is it possible to download and compile just this software? How do I find what to checkout?
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00:57.11_spm_DragetCould it be that smb4k-0.10.4 crashes with an empty /etc/samba/smb.conf ?
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01:33.50ryrychhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q83D5cyayBs what do you think about it?
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02:32.55oneforallhmm weird why is it I see download photos when I stick in a movie dvd :)
02:33.27oneforallor that not a sensor type , but just a hard wired selction
02:33.35oneforallselection*
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03:13.47Weihmm question, can someone recommend a good podcast client for KDE/qt?
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03:15.26sreichoh..
03:15.30sreichlet me think of the name...
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03:15.35sreichmeebo
03:15.45sreichdamnit, wrong name.
03:15.56Weiis it miro?
03:16.08sreichmiro, that's it
03:16.37Weicompared to amarok, which one is better?
03:16.57sreichnot sure if miro is actually written in qt...but it's opensource ;)
03:17.12mschiffin 4.3.85: I set the desktop formfactor to "Netbook" one time. As it seems ist not possible to revert that setting anymore. Any hints?
03:17.15sreichI don't know, I have only used podcasts a bit with miro
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03:17.33sreichmschiff: systemsettings->...
03:17.54mschiffsreich: yeah, you can set it back there but it does not work
03:17.56sreichdesktop->workspace
03:17.59sreich"form factor"
03:18.14sreichoh really?
03:18.27mschiffsreich: Everytime I open that again its still "Netbook"
03:18.45mschiffAnd my desktop is alway in netbook style when I login...
03:19.30mschiffsometimes plasma-netbook crashes when I switch to plasma-desktop with th effect that plasma-netbook gets restarted and both are running then at the same time...
03:19.34sreichyou just *had* to try it out, didn't you ;-)
03:19.41mschiffsreich: yes ;)
03:19.44judgenwow kde4windows is awsome!
03:21.16mschiffsreich: any idea of how switch back? I tried to set any formfactor value to 0 in $KDEDIR/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc but that did not work
03:21.38sreichno, sorry
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03:23.40Sadrollahi i get *.crx files from http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KDE4+Google+Chrome+Theme+'Sky'?content=116811 but can not installed it
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03:26.30fosstuxHi! What is the difference between Show Desktop and Show Widget Dashboard?
03:26.59oneforallerr konq file mode where is the option for middle click a link and it opens in a new tab ? looking in general and not seeing it
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03:28.43Sadrollahi i get *.crx files from http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KDE4+Google+Chrome+Theme+'Sky'?content=116811 but can not installed it
03:30.37SadrollaI got files from this address http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KDE4+Google+Chrome+Theme+'Sky'?content=116811But I do not know what to install
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03:33.11SadrollaI got themes from this address http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KDE4+Google+Chrome+Theme+'Sky'?content=116811 But I do not know what to install
03:33.39Sadrollaping
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04:36.06necroforestor whatever it's called now
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06:23.44coyookay, i've got a question, if anyone is awake. KWin and KWorkspace keeps crashing, and there are transient display problems. they usually occur when i am attempting to open/close or force-quit applications that have frozen. I am a user of Kubuntu/KDE 4.3.2 I do not know how to compile by source yet, though i'd be more than happy to learn
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06:33.36oneforallwtf trash has reached its max size
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06:35.50oneforallhmm I can right click delete in the tre in konq file mode now. But its still showing it after it deleted it O.o
06:36.01coyoempty?
06:36.19oneforallyeah window pane its deleted
06:36.25coyohmm
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06:36.53coyoif the trash is full, and you are sure you wont miss anything, try emptying trash
06:37.05coyoor will it let you?
06:37.44oneforallsorry trash ,no, it wasn't empty but in 4,3.4 etc I had a lot more in it :)
06:38.04coyoum
06:38.08coyoi cant understand you
06:38.11coyowhat had more in it?
06:38.20oneforalltrash
06:38.22coyooh
06:38.35coyoso did the new version of kde change the location of trash?
06:38.49coyoconsiders, he doesnt know the location of the trash file :<
06:38.52oneforallthe other thing is when I delete a dir its not refreshing in the tree
06:38.59coyohmm
06:39.14coyotry clicking View > Refresh in qonq
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06:39.21coyo*konq
06:40.10oneforallfunny thing is I tested that when I upgraded to .85 and it worked. But now its not O.o . tried refresh mouse and F5
06:40.35oneforallits still just refreshing the window pane
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06:41.53oneforalloipen a new konq and its refreshed
06:41.58oneforallopen*
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06:45.19coyohuh
06:45.29coyothat's odd..
06:45.44coyois still a newbie, hopefully someone more experienced is awake
06:46.16rbhI am new to Kubuntu.  My laptop has three HDD's previously configured as LVM encrypted under Fedora.  Now under Kubuntu, it only recognizes the primary drive (/dev/sda).  I have installed gparted and it sees the other drives.  How would I get the other two drives mounted and then extended into the LVM?  I used the alternative CD installation so that I would have LVM enabled.
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06:48.02coyorbh: welcome to kubuntu! :s sorry, but i have no idea how to recover encrypted lvm paritions, let me look that up, it's something i need to know too
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06:52.16rbhcoyo - thanks!
06:54.28coyorbh: this may take some serious google-fu, hold on
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06:55.44coyofound so far: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8874 how to recover lvm when your root fails
06:55.49coyostill looking
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07:01.06rbhcoyo - if it helps, I just checked the /etc/fstab file and they are not there.
07:01.42coyohuh
07:01.48coyothat does help, tnx
07:02.19coyowhat it sounds like, is that your new /root setup is not yet set up to automatically mount them, yet
07:02.32coyoall we have to figure out, is how to add them
07:02.40coyoyou still have the passphrase, right?
07:02.47coyo(otherwise you're kinda screwed)
07:03.15rbhI'm pretty certain - I use the same passwords over and over ..
07:03.19coyok
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07:04.10coyoas someone who's big on security, i have to warn you that's not best practice (but i understand, i do the same thing, i just have a set of passwords i use for diff things)
07:04.39coyostilling searching, there's gotta be something
07:04.44coyo*still
07:09.28coyorbh: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/broken-lvm-recovery-please-help-601660/
07:09.45coyodid any of those links help, or are you still reading them?
07:10.31rbhI'm pulling it up now.
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07:14.17rbh* finally loaded .. reading now
07:14.24coyorbh: http://www.sprang.de/cms/de/content/Recover-%20an-encrypted-lvm-root-system-from-broken-boot-partition
07:17.39coyorbh: http://onecool1.wordpress.com/2009/03/05/how-to-recover-that-encrypted-ext4-formatted-logical-volume-you-allowed-fedora-to-create/
07:18.25coyorbh: is that good?
07:18.42coyodid that let you know what you needed to find out?
07:19.44rbhcoyo - my gut tells me that there is something I need to do after running gparted on the drives.  I ran gparted on them and so I know the system sees them to some degree.  I am guessing that I must somehow mount them (not sure why this is not automatic) and then maybe extend the LVM into the 2 drives.
07:19.58coyowell
07:19.58rbhI am still trying to pull up the page but it is timing out for me right now
07:20.16coyoi'm pretty sure there's a utility or command that adds them to fstab and mounts them
07:20.21coyobut i honestly dont know it
07:20.34coyoyou enter your key there
07:20.53coyoby key i mean your passphrase which generates the key
07:21.23rbhI'll continue on that path since that seems to be where everything is pointing.  Thanks for all the help!
07:21.33coyono problem!
07:21.37coyoloves helping newbies!
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09:17.44e01hello
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10:10.29patkoscsabahi all
10:10.38bigbrovarpatkoscsaba: hi
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10:10.57patkoscsabais there a "Folder Synchronize" module/plugin for Dolphin?
10:11.03patkoscsabasomething like Krusader has
10:11.54bigbrovarpatkoscsaba: am new to kde myself sorry i cant help with that
10:12.22patkoscsababigbrovar: no problem
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10:22.30tzangerso how exactly does one crop with gwenedit?
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10:22.49tzangeredit->crop shows a crop button on the picture but I can't select the picture area
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10:25.01patkoscsabatzanger: I just started gwenview, selected a picture, edit->crop
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10:25.12patkoscsabaand I have the hole image marked
10:25.38patkoscsabayou can resize the cropped area by dragging it's sides
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10:26.00patkoscsabawhen you finish, click on "Crop" and it's done
10:28.08tzangerpatkoscsaba: yeah, they got rid of the really simple and easy to use click here, drag here to adjust the crop size
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10:28.30tzangerpatkoscsaba: changed it to some nifty but difficult to use and way less useful predefined ratios :-(
10:29.24patkoscsabatzanger: predefined ratios? ... It look simple enough for me ... I just did it for the first time with gwenview and answered your question in 2 minutes
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10:31.15tzangerpatkoscsaba: can you pick a point on the picture, drag to size it, and then pick up the edges and fine tune it? I can't seem to do that
10:31.32tzangerI can pick up the whole "new size" highlight and move it over the pic
10:31.48tzangerbut I cna't select an arbitrary size without going ot advanced and actually plugging in numbers
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10:33.04tzangermind you it could be some kubuntu oddity too
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10:40.51patkoscsabatzanger: I can drag the edges as I wish ... I use KDE 4.3.4
10:42.31patkoscsabaand I can grab the hole cropped zone and move it as I wish ... and all this without selecting "Advanced "
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10:50.15tzangerpatkoscsaba: ok, then it's some kubuntu weirdness... ugh
10:50.20tzangerpatkoscsaba: thank you for checking for me
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10:54.00patkoscsabatzanger: no problem
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11:02.25scorpius_in KDE 3.5, where are all the shortcuts stored that are used in the start menu (kicker)?
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11:06.40foormeahi, i'm trying to make jack (jack audio connection kit) work under kde4. it works if i launch it upon computer/kde startup, but if i want to start it after a while, then it says it cannot connect to hw0 as hw0 is already being used... i'm totally lost with phonon, pulseaudio and the like
11:06.58foormeahow can i stop phonon or pulseaudio? what's the difference between phonon and pulseaudio? which is used under kde4?
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11:07.17foormea(oh yeah i'm running gentoo)
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11:09.08Mamarokfoormea: by default you shouldn't have pulseaudio then, Phonon is enough for KDE
11:10.02foormeaMamarok: i see. i'm a total newbie when it comes to these things, so phonon is the default kde sound server, isn't it?
11:10.05scorpius_in KDE 3.5, where are all the shortcuts stored that are used in the start menu (kicker)?
11:10.21foormeahow can i stop phonon? how could i replace phonon by jack?
11:10.26Mamarokscorpius_: no idea I didn't use KDE 3.5.x in ages
11:10.57Mamarokfoormea: you don't stop phonon, just select jack in the Multimedia settings
11:11.12Mamarokfoormea: but you should remove pulseaudio, it doesn't play well with Phonon
11:11.38foormeaMamarok: well apart from installing jack, i didn't install anything else, so i shouldn't have pulseaudio
11:11.50foormeaMamarok: but how do i check whether i have it? :)
11:12.35Mamarokwell check if 'pulseaudio' is installed, no idea how one does that in Gentoo
11:13.01foormeaok
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11:14.09foormeaalright i don't have it :)
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11:51.54dkarlovihello, a quick question
11:52.13dkarloviI'm using Fedora 12 with KDE 4.3.3
11:52.27dkarlovisometimes my keyboard just stops responsing to input
11:52.45dkarlovibut I can switch to a VT or ctrl alt backspace X server
11:52.53dkarloviso it works, just not under KDE
11:53.08dkarlovion my F10 installation, same thing
11:53.28dkarlovilike something is stealing the keyboard input, is this some known issue?
11:53.49Torchdkarlovi: not as far as i know.
11:54.14dkarloviTorch: how could I figure out the cause?
11:54.20dkarloviany hints? :)
11:55.48dkarloviOK, it JUST happened again :)
11:55.54dkarloviand just stopped by itself
11:56.09dkarloviall I was doing is using alt-tab to switch through some windows
11:56.42Half-Leftkdegames Egyptian theme video if anyone wants to watch it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ltYhkgPW_E
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12:17.38GattoDiSchrodingis no way to integrate the look of GTK applications in KDE4?
12:18.15Half-LeftYes there is
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12:19.09GattoDiSchrodingi installed gtk-qt-engine but nothing changed...
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12:19.43Half-LeftYou have two options; Use the the native GTK+ theming engine or use a GTK+ theme that matches the Oxygen one
12:20.51szaloption #3: use another theme for KDE and a matching one for Gtk+ ;)
12:21.14GattoDiSchrodingwich gtk+ theme for example?
12:21.22rerushgGattoDiSchroding: Did you activate the GTK -QT settings in the KDE settings app?
12:21.24szalin my experience the combination of Cleanlooks for KDE and Clearlooks for Gtk+ is very good
12:21.30Half-LeftYeah, why has KDE/Qt always got to do the work? :p
12:21.34GattoDiSchrodingrerushg: yes
12:23.17Half-LeftGattoDiSchroding: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen-Molecule+KDE+%26+GTK%2B+unified+theme?content=103741
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12:24.01Half-LeftQt Curve is another good unified theme
12:25.06GattoDiSchrodingHalf-Left: i already tried to install gtk2-engines-qtcurve and kde-style-qtcurve
12:25.32GattoDiSchrodingbut the lookof gtk application doesnìt changed
12:25.55Half-LeftThat's not KDE's problem
12:26.20szalinstalling alone won't help here; you need the gtk-qt-engine & then restart KDE
12:26.27Half-LeftGTK theming tends to break and be buggy
12:26.33szaland then you need to select the themes
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12:26.43GattoDiSchrodingszal: ok, i will try
12:27.00szaldon't try..  do it or do it not..  there is no trying
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12:27.08GattoDiSchroding:)
12:27.10szal</yoda>
12:27.15Half-Left(Depending on the version you have)
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12:28.02GattoDiSchrodingmaybe a problem of debian packages
12:29.44Half-LeftA restart of KDE may solve the issue as szal said
12:30.52szal[13:26:27] <Half-Left> GTK theming tends to break and be buggy <- especially the automatic theming via gtk-qt-engine; hence better to select Gtk theme by hand
12:31.09GattoDiSchrodingok, I have to finish a download and then try
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12:33.14Half-Leftszal: Yep
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12:35.27Half-Leftszal: In Kubuntu they even seemed to have broken the gtkrc
12:35.51szalno idea
12:36.08szalbut still reasons piling up not to use *buntu :P
12:36.10Half-LeftYou entered it manually in the file and it never worked
12:37.34Half-LeftYep, same here. It seems to have some quirky things going wrong with it but I was only testing it at the time
12:38.12szalrunning openSUSE happily here, but considering Fedora for my other machine
12:38.25Half-Leftszal: Same here :)
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12:39.01Half-LeftUnstable repos :)
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12:40.26szalwhere?
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12:40.51Half-LeftWhere from?
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12:42.03szalopenSUSE repos are far from unstable; no idea about Fedora's though, but I can't remember inconsistencies from former uses of Fedora (F7/F8)
12:42.51Half-Leftszal: I run unstable snapshots repos like the KDE4 trunk ones and Qt4.6 ones
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12:43.04Half-LeftBut they're pretty stable :)
12:43.06szalah
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12:54.04Half-LeftThe new NVIDIA beta driver supposed to increase KDE4's performance by quiet a bit
12:54.55Half-Left195.30
12:56.36Half-Lefttries them
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12:57.16Half-Left"Fixed a performance regression with non-antialiased text in KDE4."
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12:57.55Half-Left"Enabled GPU acceleration for many RENDER compositing operations that were previously processed in software, including conjoint and disjoint blending modes and component alpha blending."
12:58.13Half-Left"Added experimental GPU acceleration of the RENDER CompositeTrapezoids operation"
12:58.15Half-Left:D
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13:19.50barrapontobeclock anyone?
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13:33.52szalbarraponto: ?
13:34.20barrapontoszal: i'm running beclock, can't find the configuration to set its corner...
13:34.55barrapontoszal: i'm feeling quite dumb.
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13:51.11Kwpolskahi
13:52.40Kwpolskai can't start plasma on kde 4.3.85
13:53.29Kwpolskadid someone know this problem?
13:53.49Half-LeftWhat happens?
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13:54.23Kwpolskanothing.
13:54.43thiago_homewell, if you run it, it runs
13:54.50thiago_homeyou'll have to be more specific
13:54.53Kwpolskawhen typing plasma-desktop in krunner or starting it by starting kde it shows me bug reporting
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13:55.17Kwpolskatried to delete kde settings
13:55.53thiago_homeok, try upgrading then
13:56.39Kwpolskai had changed repos from stable to factory (openSUSE)
13:57.09Half-LeftKwpolska: What files are in /.config/autostart
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14:12.57Kwpolskaxfce4-settings-helper-autostart.desktop and xfconf-migration-4.6.desktop
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14:14.26Half-LeftKwpolska: Have you tried a new user?
14:14.26Kwpolskano. tried .kde4 rename
14:14.26Kwpolskano effect
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14:14.29Kwpolskaby running plasma-desktop in konsole, i'd got this error: plasma-desktop(23458): Communication problem with  "plasma-desktop" , it probably crashed.
14:14.29Kwpolskaplasma-desktop(23458): Communication problem with  "plasma-desktop" , it probably crashed.
14:14.31Half-LeftTry a new user then
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14:32.10RiotingPacifistis it just me or is kate sometimes abit laggy? and by a bit i mean a tiny amout, but just enough to annoy me?
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14:33.23reavertmRiotingPacifist: google how to enable Qt4 raster engine, should help a bit
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14:34.44Half-LeftRiotingPacifist: You're asking us if it annoys you? :p
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14:35.25dirtytwistfolks ??
14:38.06Half-Leftdirtytwist: Why bother using question marks without asking the question?
14:39.19RiotingPacifistreavertm: thx
14:39.30dirtytwistno worries
14:39.43RiotingPacifisterm also alt+f2 seams to lock up sometimes
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14:40.07thiago_homewhat version of Qt?
14:40.31reavertmand distro
14:41.28thiago_homeno, just version
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14:43.50RiotingPacifistsorry where would i get my qt version?
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14:46.01RiotingPacifistall of my libqt4* show as libqtcore4                            4:4.6.0-1ubuntu3~karmic1~ppa1
14:46.28pinotreekde 4.3 or 4.4?
14:46.55RiotingPacifist4.3.85
14:47.02RiotingPacifist4.4beta2
14:47.24RiotingPacifistsorry copied and pasted without realising it gave the wrong answere
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14:59.09judgen~140k i själva uleborg
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15:06.26jefkinzhi  is there a command line only version of kopete?
15:07.20thiago_homeno
15:07.28jefkinzgracias. :-)
15:07.47jefkinzsometiems negative knowledge is harder to come by than positiive.  :-D
15:07.53jefkinz*sometimes
15:09.36RiotingPacifistjefkinz: there is a CLI for pidgin, if your looking to use instant messengers from the CL
15:11.14jefkinzRiotingPacifist: thanks, was looking for an alternate was to use the yahoo messenger stuff, but my kopete is too old, doesn't have the new authorization library. (using RHEL/Centos 5.4, have to stay with the "supported" packages)
15:11.36jefkinzeg - "supported" by RHEL/CentOS
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15:12.48lord-carloshi there, my KDE4.3 desktop wont start. plasma-desktop to be exact:  http://pastebin.com/m762c1429
15:12.56lord-carlosi use debian testing
15:13.43thiago_homewhat version of 4.3?
15:14.40lord-carloshow can i find out?
15:14.55Torchoneforall: help -> about kde in any kde app
15:15.02Torchoops,. sorry oneforall
15:15.06Torchlord-carlos: that was for you ;-)
15:15.28lord-carlosdpkg -s kdebase-bin gives me Version: 4:4.3.2-1
15:15.40lord-carlos4.3.2
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15:21.07lord-carlosthiago_home: Do you know how i can fix my problem?
15:21.44thiago_homelord-carlos: upgrade to 4.3.4
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15:29.29lord-carlosthiago_home: i am just installing kdebase-runtime kdebase-workspace kdebase 4.3.4 from debian unstable.
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15:29.39lord-carlosi hope that fixes the Problem
15:30.19lord-carlosbrb, restarting
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15:33.17lord-carlosyay, thanks you all
15:33.21lord-carlos4.3.4 works
15:33.25baisemainHello!
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16:03.11sumi still have a little encoding problem: opening firefox entering special characters in any text fiel yields correct characters (like german umlauts ae, oe, ue). opening a kde application (kate,konsole tested) entering the same characters yields "rubbish" (öäü). i have configured both to use utf-8 but somehow not kde applications understands the input characters from the x-server correctly. any idea on where to look next?
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16:05.15sumon a second system running nearly the same setup i don't have those problems.
16:05.33sumcreating a new user results in thesame problems with that new use
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16:21.13_spm_DragetWhy is smb4k able to mount samba shares? When mounting via the commandline 'mount -t cifs //... /...' I get only root is allowed to do this. Dies smb4k use a root process... some suid binary... etc?
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16:43.24Half-LeftAwwww crap! NVIDIA speeded up their beta driver but it's only for the GT200 series cards and above.
16:44.46sreichaw
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16:46.25Half-LeftSo to speed up KDE's compositing using the new features, buy a GTS200 series :/
16:46.54Sho_Half-Left: You misread
16:47.14Half-Left?
16:48.07Sho_Half-Left: The only thing in the driver that requires a GTX is an (experimental, off-by-default) acceleration for CompositeTrapezoids
16:48.29jefkinzsum:  what is configured differently between the two systems?
16:48.47Sho_Half-Left: The hardware accel for conjoint and disjoint blending modes and component alpha blending, and the fix for the KDE 4 text rendering regression, are all also for earlier cards
16:48.53Half-LeftSho_: Yes and you need a 200 series card to use it
16:49.31Sho_Half-Left: The point is that you misread, the driver isn't only for 200 series and above
16:49.47Half-LeftSho_: I never said it was, I said that feature was
16:49.51Sho_The only thing that is is the CompositeTrapezoid accel
16:49.59Sho_"<Half-Left> Awwww crap! NVIDIA speeded up their beta driver but it's only for the GT200 series cards and above."
16:50.11sumjefkinz: no idea :(
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16:50.33Half-LeftFor the AccelerateTrapezoids yes
16:50.38sumjefkinz: they are both gentoos on amd64 and i think on /etc level nothing is different with respekt to kde. but on user level it seems there are differences
16:50.38Sho_That is different from "Awww crap! NVIDIA added hardware acceleration for CompositeTrapezoids in their beta driver but it's only for the GT200 series cards and above."
16:50.58Half-LeftSho_: nitpicker
16:51.00Sho_If you didn't misread, then you're at least spreading misinformation :)
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16:51.18Sho_In any case, I recommend trying out that beta, it finally fixed the performance issue with bitmap fonts in KDE 4 apps for me
16:51.23Sho_(on a GeForce 9)
16:51.25Half-LeftI have it
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16:53.29Half-LeftAwwww crap! NVIDIA speeded up their beta driver but only the GT200 series cards and above can use the AccelerateTrapezoids=1 feature
16:53.44jefkinzsum, generate a file list with checksums, sorted, from both machines, run a diff between the two lsts and that will tell you which files differ.  apply a little human perspective/wisdom to the list of different file and you will find what the specific difference is.
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16:54.52Half-LeftSho_: Fixed!
16:55.00Sho_Half-Left: :)
16:55.23Sho_chat statement v2.0
16:55.23sumjefkinz: is there some syntax-checked shell skrtip for this ultimately common task? ;-)
16:55.56jefkinzsum, of course not. just write a one liner in bash. its trivial
16:56.20Half-LeftFunny how they introduce a new feature that's usually in the more newer GPUs', rather than speeding up older generations
16:57.12Sho_Half-Left: Well it'd probably be additional work to support it also in older generations, and they're focussing on what they're selling at the time
16:57.14jefkinzHalf-Left: thats the standard M$ sales approach.  dont fix old stuff, make new stuff and hype it till people "have to have it"
16:57.15sumjefkinz: not that familiar withthat find -exec syntax...
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16:57.27sumbut wil lsee.
16:57.42jefkinzsum - using find would need xargs
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16:57.59Half-LeftYep, the only way to make Linux users upgrade their GPU
16:58.16Sho_Half-Left: It's also related to how nVidia works. Whenever they add support for a new GPU range to a driver, the driver size increased by a couple of MB, indicating that to avoid regressions in older stuff they just fork a copy of their codebase and make changes in the new copy, leaving the copies for older GPU ranges mostly untouched.
16:58.21sumjefkinz: but with >1M files i guess the command line length will at some point be quite large
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16:58.47jefkinzsum: that why you need xargs
16:59.03jefkinz<PROTECTED>
16:59.40jefkinz<PROTECTED>
16:59.43Half-LeftSho_: Yeah, Windows drivers are about 90MB, more features though
17:00.05jefkinzthen si same with the user's home dir, then so same on other system, then diff the lists
17:00.22sumjefkinz: k, thanks, be back in a minute
17:00.37jefkinzmaybe more than a minute... ;-)
17:00.52Sho_Half-Left: was talking about the Linux driver actually
17:01.39sumjefkinz: i have a quadcore and a dual core ;-) and my fingers are flying ;-) yes!
17:01.50Half-LeftSho_: Yeah but I'm not sure how they managed to add 20mb in the new beta driver over the stable one, not a couple of MB.
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17:03.11jefkinzHalf-Left: debug and tracing stuff ;-)
17:03.13Half-LeftIt's nearly 10MB on the non precompiled
17:03.56Half-Leftjefkinz: Could be, we'll see if the final driver is smaller
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17:04.30jefkinzjust WA guessing :)
17:04.37momesanahi everybody
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17:04.54jefkinzmomesana: hi every-you. :)
17:05.06Half-LeftMind you, you generate a bug report from the driver in the stable version, so maybe not :p
17:05.19momesanaI had to resize my partitions to make room for masocsx ... I created a tarball of my box and restored it but now I can't login using kdm
17:05.27momesanaI can use startx though
17:05.31RLahow to get rid of kword main docker?
17:06.25momesanathats what kdm.log says http://pastebin.ca/1728578
17:06.33momesanaany Ideas?
17:06.33jefkinzmomesana: any error msgs, or other info in logs when trying to use kdm?
17:06.48momesanajefkinz: nope. Nothing just the kdm.log ...
17:07.05RLasynaptic has kernel module?
17:07.08momesanajefkinz: It drops to the login again after a second
17:07.12RLamaybe it's missing now
17:07.15jefkinzmomesana: does the GUI login launch at all?
17:07.21momesanajefkinz: no
17:07.30momesanajefkinz: it flickers for a second and I am back at the kdm log
17:07.39jefkinzmomesana: what distro and release?
17:07.40momesanajefkinz: startx does work however
17:07.54momesanajefkinz: gentoo, kde4-3.3
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17:08.29momesanakdm has version 4.3.3
17:08.34jefkinzhmm dunno gentoo. look at the initscript for X, and add verbose debugg log levels to the command line that starts X and kdm,.
17:09.03jefkinzif X is started from inittab, add the verbose option there too.
17:09.12jefkinzas well as in the command that starts kdm.
17:09.23momesanajefkinz: kdm is started by inittab
17:09.41momesanajefkinz: how do I add the verbose option/increase the debug level?
17:10.13jefkinzwhats the inittab line?
17:10.28momesanahttp://pastebin.ca/index.php
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17:11.13momesanax:a:once:/etc/X11/startDM.sh ?
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17:11.50jefkinzmomesana: look in that script file /etc/X11/startDM.sh
17:11.53jefkinzsee what it does.
17:12.49jefkinzI dont see a man page for kdm, but kdm --help shows some options, including specifying bit fields for debug options and specifying an alternate config file., so there may be a setting that can be placed in the config file.
17:13.08momesanahttp://pastebin.ca/1728582
17:13.40jefkinzmomesana: I don't know any of this stuff either. I'm just telling you what i would do to find out whats happening.  A generalized "hmm, whats wrong with this " approach
17:14.36momesanajefkinz: ok, look, I can start kdm manually
17:14.42momesanaand I get the same issue
17:14.51jefkinzsame inability to login ?
17:14.57momesanayes
17:15.04jefkinzdid you start kdm as root?
17:15.05momesanathe exact same issue
17:15.11momesanajefkinz: yes
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17:15.46jefkinzok, look into the config file and see if there is an options to tunr on some debugging/verbose logging
17:15.58momesanaok
17:16.39momesanaI cant find anything regarding debug in the kdmrc file
17:16.50sumjefkinz: is it correct that this setting should not be associated to a kde program since it happens with all kde programs?
17:16.52jefkinzwhere is the kdmrc file?
17:17.07momesanain /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc
17:17.26momesanaand it is the actual one being used ... since I just enabled root login and it worked
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17:17.46momesanabtw, I have the same issue for every user including root
17:17.49jefkinzmomesana: I dunno if the one under share is the one used by the system at startup time. Sadly there is no man page for either kdm or kdmrc.
17:18.04momesanajefkinz: it is the one used, trust me
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17:18.19momesanajefkinz: I changed an option and it took effect
17:18.46jefkinzmomesana: in order to allow logins the process has to be root at some point, one way to do that is have it start as root, and things started from inittab are root, so we can assume kdm starts as root
17:19.09jefkinz<PROTECTED>
17:19.15momesana:)
17:19.49jefkinznow we need some doco on what other command line options exist for kdm and.or what debug/verbose options/setting can be put in kdmrc
17:20.24momesanajefkinz: yep
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17:20.32momesanathe -debug flag seems interesting
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17:21.44jefkinz"gee - that sounds like it might be relevant."
17:21.47jefkinz:-)
17:23.08jefkinzanyone know what tool kde has tha reads "docbook" files? like "dmrc-ref.docbook"
17:24.42Sho_usually what one does is convert docbook to html or some other format
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17:29.43jefkinzSho_: yeah found docbooktohtml etc..    it fails, needs some kind of spec doc|sheet for additional definitions.
17:29.50jefkinzat least on Centos 5.4
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17:30.57sumjefkinz: can't find anything useful with the md5sum-diff method... seems in /etc is nothing realated to kde configured and in the users homedir the files that i identified as kde-settings and not kde-application specific settings are not different in any useful point
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17:32.30jefkinzsum, rats.
17:32.56jefkinzsum:  wait - you said nothing useful,
17:33.06jefkinzdid it show any differences?
17:33.16sumjefkinz: yes sure lots of
17:33.26jefkinztoo many to be workable?
17:33.38CelosHi ! I'm using KDE4, and i have a problem with KDM. I have installed kde-l10n-fr, and i have my kde working in french, great. But my KDM is still in qwerty instead of azerty! In the system configuration, I already put "french" as language, my system locale is fr_FR-UTF8 ... i don't know how can i make kdm be in azerty...any help ?
17:33.40summost of them are unrelated to kde
17:34.36jefkinzsum: could there be some not related to KDE, which are related to character encoding or displayed charset?
17:35.38sumjefkinz: paste here: http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~clemensh/diff.md5sums
17:35.55sumjefkinz: i guess no, becaus in firefox everything is fine in same x display/screen
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17:38.29momesanajefkinz: using gdm it works
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17:38.46momesanabut I don't want to use gdm
17:39.00momesana:-(
17:39.07jefkinzmomesana: do you have /etc/sysconfig files?
17:39.23jefkinzsum - there are a lot of different files under .kde4/share/config
17:39.23momesanajefkinz: nope
17:39.37momesanajefkinz: sysconfig?
17:39.46sumjefkinz: yes, but it is in all kde applications (kate and console, e.g.) so i think it's not related to a special application.
17:40.35jefkinzsum - all those files - none of them relate to kde-global attributes?
17:40.49jefkinzmomesana: any file called /etc/X11/prefdm?
17:41.02momesananope
17:41.05momesanajefkinz: no
17:41.13bendjMy printer's set up for 'Letter' size default.  Most apps respect that selection.  Both Krita & Okular ignore any/all settings, and insist on 'A4'.  I know Okular's had a long-standing problem with this -- but since Krita has the issue too, suspicious that it's an underlying prob.  Qt, maybe?  Anyone know of a fix/workaround to print to the paper-size we tell it to?
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17:41.45pinotreebendj: did you try changing the paper size also in the "advanced" properties dialog of a printer?
17:41.47amstanhey guys, how can i connect phonon to jack?
17:42.00jefkinzmomesana: when you GDM does it give you the menu choice for what DM to use? (this might be a  workaround)
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17:42.02tuxickkde just caused a system load of 80 a few minutes ago
17:42.05sumi checked kdedrc, konsolerc, startupconfig, kdeglobals
17:42.14tuxickafter the old "keyboard stops responding" bug kicked in
17:42.21tuxickforced me to reboot
17:42.39momesanajefkinz: http://pastebin.ca/1728606
17:42.42jefkinzsum: any ide what setting is different between the ones showing it right and the ones that aren't?
17:42.50sumjefkinz: the strange this is: i can change the character encoding in konsole but it does not change the things i see on the console when i press those special buttons (ae, oe, ue)
17:42.52momesanajefkinz: I didn't look
17:42.55Sho_throws a snowball at pinotree
17:43.08momesanajefkinz: I will log out and see if there is such a menu
17:43.15pinotreethrows a snowman at Sho_
17:43.28sumjefkinz: there was nothing different in those file
17:43.34sums that catched my attentions
17:44.02Sho_throws an igloo at pinotree
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17:45.30jefkinzsum - what encoding is selected under settings in konsole?
17:45.38bendjpinotree Yes, everything's set to "Letter"
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17:45.59momesanajefkinz: yes, there is a menu where I can select the dm
17:46.31jefkinzis kdm in the menu?
17:46.32momesanajefkinz: I have only kde installed so I can only log into kde ... but I really would prefer kdm ...
17:46.34sumjefkinz: on the not working station its by default iso-8859-1 and changing it to utf-8 does not change the things displayed on the console when i press those keys
17:46.38momesanajefkinz: kdm in the menu of gdm?
17:46.52jefkinzmomesana: yes
17:46.56jefkinzis it?
17:47.00sumjefkinz: i think kde gueses x passes its characters in iso-encoding and thus resulting in bad characters.
17:47.08momesanajefkinz: no. kdm is not a desktop environment so no, its not there
17:47.20sumso the konsole encoding setting does not change anything because it changes input and output with respect to the xserver and console windows
17:47.32jefkinzmomesana: ah, right. what is in the file /etc/X11/dm?
17:47.43sumjefkinz: on the working achine it's by default utf8
17:48.04momesanajefkinz: a directory called Sessions
17:48.12momesanawhich contains custom.desktop
17:48.17jefkinzsum: any difference in the LANG or LOCALE shell variables on those two machines?
17:48.46momesanajefkinz:  http://pastebin.ca/1728613
17:49.05sumjefkinz: opening a console on both machines under kde results in the same output of "locale"
17:49.26sumboth show as LC_CTYPE=de_DE.utf8
17:50.14jefkinzsum: did you look at all the X init files, like xinit, xsession ?
17:53.23sumjefkinz: no, i didn't
17:53.40sumwell, actually i just did but i think they are the same, at least those lying in /etc
17:53.59icwiener_Hi, I am using trunk for a few days now and I have the following problem: KMail won't quote the original message anymore. Does anyone else see this?
17:54.01sumand since firefox takes charaters right, it - to mee - seems to be ok from the view of Xorg
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17:55.14sumjefkinz: i think the characterset of konsole which is chosen by default must be the systems characterset. and since that is not ok with the broken machine i think kde does no know of the correct system character set.
17:55.23jefkinzsum:  and firefox doesn't follow KDE settings since its not aKDE ( or gnome) application...
17:55.29sumi will try to force utf8 there somehow. and this *could* be related to /etc settings
17:56.15jefkinzsum: dumb, brute force, but ...  grep -ri Encoding /etc/*
17:57.18jefkinzmomesana: whne you started kdm by hand,as root,  i assume you started it from a virtual console term session, with no X running ?
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17:59.02momesanajefkinz: zes
17:59.03momesanajefkinz: yes
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17:59.59jefkinzmomesana: and no error messages cam out there/
18:00.02jefkinz*came
18:00.07momesanajefkinz: nothing
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18:01.04Veloryhi can i ask questions about Nepomuk here ?
18:01.12Sho_sure
18:01.28momesanajefkinz: well, kdm seems not to regard this a fatal error and thus gives no error messages. After all it doesn't crash or something ... it keeps on dropping back to the login menu again.  But it does write the stuff I pasted above to the kdm.log
18:01.30Sho_unless they're more development-related, then #kde-devel
18:01.49VelorySho_: i'm trying to include Nepomuk my Qtc++ project but my project using Waf
18:01.54Veloryhmmm
18:01.57Veloryyes i think
18:02.09Sho_yeah that's #kde-devel material
18:02.14Veloryok thanks
18:02.16Velory:)
18:02.17jefkinzmomesana: but it won't start from .etc/inittab, right/
18:02.35momesanajefkinz: I echoed "" into the log and cleared it and when I tried to login again which of course failed I got the stuff I pasted before: that is: http://pastebin.ca/1728628
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18:02.47jefkinztry adding -debug 0x0F to the kdm command line in that startup script that invoked from inittab
18:02.51momesanajefkinz: well, kdm will start from inittab ... but tI have the same issue then
18:03.39jefkinz"same issue" == No GUI login screen, right/
18:03.44jefkinz*right?
18:04.10momesanajefkinz: same issue: Gui login screen ... but when I enter my password and press enter it drops back to the GUI login menu again
18:04.26momesanajefkinz: it's like an infinite loop ;)
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18:04.55jefkinzaccording to that pastebin it thinks there is a synaptics touchpad there? is there?
18:05.12momesanajefkinz: it's a notebook. yes, there is touchpad
18:05.23sumjefkinz: java has lots of encodings but everything else the same on both machines as far as i can compare by monitor. even grep for iso-* and/or utf-* did not bring anything useful
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18:05.36sumjefkinz: where are the kde global configuration files located usually?
18:05.47Sho_$KDEHOME/share/config
18:05.55Sho_where $KDEHOME is usually .kde or .kde4
18:06.03jefkinzmomesana:  XKB: No components provided for device Virtual core keyboard   <<-- this seems to be the root of the problem. maybe google for it ?
18:06.20momesanajefkinz: I had this issue before
18:06.24jefkinzSho_: is that under the user's home dir?
18:06.39jefkinzmomesana: so thats just an old artifact?
18:06.40momesanajefkinz: with issue I mean the same error message ... and it still worked
18:06.41Sho_jefkinz: yes
18:06.46sumi am looking for global ones, not user ones
18:06.57Sho_ah, I thought you meant kdeglobals
18:07.06jefkinzsum - all user's are equally affected? No differences?
18:07.11sumjefkinz: yes
18:07.11momesanajefkinz: nope. I mean the error message about the touchpad ... but there were no problems and gdm and X work without any issues
18:07.41jefkinzmomesana: and you had the XKB ...keyboard message before too?
18:08.00Sho_sum: global varies ... in fedora it's /usr/share/kde4, in some distros it's /etc/kde/, ..
18:08.07momesanajefkinz: If I remember right, yes
18:08.17jefkinzmomesana: well, poo.
18:08.30momesanajefkinz: I guess that error message comes from X and X works fine as you can see (I am using kde right now)
18:09.01jefkinztry adding -debug 0x0F to the kdm command line in that startup script that invoked from inittab  /etc/X11/startDM.sh
18:09.09momesanajefkinz: ok
18:09.20momesanaI'll restart kde then ... see you in a few minutes
18:09.23jefkinzsee if anything shows up in the log files
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18:11.32sumSho_: hm...
18:11.54sumin /usr/share/kde4/ i have service snad servicetypes
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18:12.42sumin /etc/kde i have only startup agent and shutdown agent, both shell scripts with comments only
18:13.17sumit's so damn strange, i have even re-emerge the whole system already (1007 packages) just because of this encoding thing
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18:14.56sumdoes someone know a qt application that has nothing to do with kde?
18:15.24Sho_www.qt-apps.org
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18:16.52sumis lyx kde related?
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18:17.52Sho_in the sense that one of LyX's founders and core developers is KDE's founder, yes ;)
18:18.24sumand besides also using Qt ?
18:18.37Sho_I think it's a pure Qt app, but I'm not sure
18:19.05sumwell, let's see
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18:22.01sumhm, lyx has very similar problems. it just outputs strange characters when using ae, oe, ud
18:22.11sumso it can be qt-related...
18:22.32Torchsum: or X-related. or anything.
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18:23.22momesanajefkinz: no difference. The same error messages no matter what debug bit I set
18:23.40jefkinzmomesana: did you check the log files as well?
18:24.30momesanajefkinz: yes, the error message are always set to the kdm.log file so I am actually talking about it
18:24.46momesanajefkinz: I cleared it everytime before starting kdm again ... and the error message was always the same
18:25.11momesanajefkinz: I tried it with 0x0 0x1 0x2 0x4 and 0x8
18:25.29sumTorch: i am sadly surprised from open source for the very first time. there seems to be an unsolvable problem
18:26.04sumanything in the last 5 years was solved by some hack/trick/guess but this now stays here for at least 4 weeks
18:26.14jefkinzsum: its solvable, you just haven't asked the right people yet. I'm taking a generalized approach, as i have never looked into KDE before.
18:26.53sumjefkinz: thats what i do, too. and any problem was solved by something like that.
18:28.47Sho_sum: never seen that problem, sorry
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18:29.07Sho_but generally speaking, with open source you can be certain that you can do something, provided you learn enough. with closed source, when you have a problem, you often run into walls you can't progress beyond.
18:29.48bendjI've just dug through as much as I could find online re: Krita/Okular ignoring PaperSize settings, and always using A4.  I've not found a consistent, working answer/solution anywhere.  Is anyone here aware of one that I've missed?
18:30.56sumSho_: full ack, and that's why i love open source. but atm i am too busy to look into kde's sources...
18:31.11sumsomehow a reinstall seems more practical
18:31.14sumruns
18:31.25jefkinzfires on sum
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18:31.40jefkinz:)
18:31.49Torchsum: i think your lyx-test proves that it's not kde related.
18:31.50sumhrhr
18:31.53Sho_sum: I doubt this is a kDE problem though
18:32.00sumTorch: i think my firefox test proves that it's not X related
18:32.07Torchsum: no.
18:32.16Torchsum: it only proves firefox isn't affected
18:32.19sumwell, let's see xterm
18:32.51Torchsum: you might also look into running plain X without any DE or even WM
18:33.07sumTorch: running fluxbox and konsole has same problem
18:33.22sumxterm has the very same problems
18:33.28sumstrange
18:33.43tuxickif i'd had to read the source for every bug i run into i'd spend 200 hours/day reading code
18:33.44Torchsum: and LANG is set to?
18:33.46sumso it seems to be x-related?0
18:34.12sumTorch: empty
18:34.18Torchsum: set it, then.
18:34.24sumTorch: LC_CTYPE is set to de_DE.utf8
18:34.48Torchsum: i'm no expert here... but shouldn't LANG always be set correctly?
18:34.53jefkinzsum - on the system that works, is LANg set to anything?
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18:35.00jefkinz*LANG
18:35.27jefkinzmomesana: anything?
18:35.44momesanajefkinz: nope. I just got rid of the EE messages regarding synaptic
18:35.55momesanajefkinz: by removing the corresponding touchpad line from xorg.
18:36.08jefkinzhokay, ever used the script command?
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18:36.35momesanajefkinz: script command?
18:36.41momesanajefkinz: which one?
18:36.44sumjefkinz: its empty on both and setting it to de_DE.utf8 does not change anything
18:36.56jefkinzthe "script" command (whose on first? )
18:37.20jefkinzmomesana: try man script
18:37.32Sho_sum: Just to check, are you setting it in the environment you launch xterm from?
18:37.54momesanajefkinz: nope, never used it
18:37.59sumSho_: i set it globaly and restart oneof my xsessions and login and then start kde and check it
18:38.00Torchsum: in other words, you can't just set it and type away ;-)
18:38.18Sho_sum: ok ... maybe try with LC_ALL rather than LANG
18:38.20sumi will now try using a different DM like slim
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18:38.34sumSho_: the locale settings are the same on both system so i think its not related to that
18:38.52sumthe only difference i have now is slim on the working machine and kdm on theb roken oen
18:38.54Sho_yeah, I bet it's an xmodmap problem or so
18:39.01Sho_I tried what happens in xev?
18:39.10jefkinzstart a script session in console, then issue an strace on kdm
18:39.22momesanaok
18:39.26momesanaI'll try that
18:39.47jefkinzwhen you exit from the script session you should have a huge file of strace info
18:40.23sumSho_: it shows up in xev correctly: http://pastebin.com/m771e6f66
18:40.39Sho_hmm
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18:43.37sumwell using slim and logging in shows same problem but now something strange happens:
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18:44.03sumwhen i run xev it shows the samecharacters for the keys as before but they are now rendered unreadable...
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18:45.16njathanhow do i install handbooks in KDE? is there a 'apt-get install' way of doing it? say i cannot find one for Amarok already installed... though khelpcenter is installed
18:45.29jefkinzmomesana: ping
18:45.30sumwell so this really does not seem like kde related any more
18:45.41sumthanks for all your help i will maybe check somewhere different
18:45.58MinceRnjathan: probably the kde*-doc and/or kde*-doc-html packages contain them
18:46.40momesanajefkinz: sorry, I'll restart kde in a few seconds. just was asking about the virtual keyboard thing on #xorg
18:46.42MinceR(and *-doc, *-doc-html if the app itself wasn't in a kde* package)
18:47.07jefkinzmomesana: I know this will sound crazy, but how much disk is free in the partition where /tmp is ?
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18:48.10momesanajefkinz: enough  ... let me check
18:48.23momesanarootfs                176G  169G  6,8G  97% /
18:48.33momesanajefkinz: I am using a single partition for everything
18:48.58momesanajefkinz: btw, can you playback QuickTime videos?
18:48.58momesanajefkinz: I recorded the login procedure4
18:49.05momesanajefkinz: they say a picture/video tells a thousand words
18:49.14jefkinzmomesana: found a report that says old stuff in /tmp can cause kdm to not login and keep looping back to login screen, sound like you?
18:49.47momesanajefkinz: exactly
18:49.54momesanaI'll delete everything from tmp then
18:50.25jefkinzdo it as root, it will kikc the pins out from underneath some services.
18:50.31jefkinz*kick
18:51.06momesana:-)
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18:52.25momesanajefkinz: ftp://momesana.homelinux.org/MVI_0449.MOV
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18:56.25Sho_sum: good luck
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18:56.59sumeven when starting the x server from console with startx (locale showd on this very same console correct car
18:57.01momesanajefkinz: still the same issue :-(
18:57.20sumcahracter encoding), it does not work. by now i have copied hal configuration from workgin to broken machine
18:57.24momesanajefkinz: I double checked to see that anything is deleted in /tmp and that was the case
19:00.06bendjpinotree: Iiuc, you've commented here (http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=174354) on the A4 issue, and suggest it IS (?) an upstream-Qt bug.  But that bug is Okular only -- no mention of Krita.  Same issue? Different?  Do you have a Qt bug reference that you're tracking?
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19:01.07pinotreeno idea about krita, sorry
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19:02.32bendjpinotree: This (http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-6302) it?
19:02.47momesanajefkinz: did you see the video?
19:03.00momesanajefkinz: watch* the video
19:03.28jefkinzmomesana: tried, vlc is not playing it.
19:03.29pinotreesee the "this issue is replaced by..."
19:04.02momesanajefkinz: oh :-(
19:04.16momesanajefkinz: maybe I can turn it into a std. mpeg file
19:04.33jefkinzwere all the dirs and links etc deleted from /tmp?
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19:05.02momesanajefkinz: yes
19:05.10momesanaI used rm -rf /tmp/*
19:05.25momesanajefkinz: maybe it left out the ones starting with a dot
19:05.38bendjpinotree: Ok.  It's "P2: Major", so there's hope someone @Qt will pay attention.  Then again, this apparently has been a problem for a very long time ... "-/
19:05.39jefkinzright
19:05.53jefkinzcd /tmp;ls -la .
19:07.16momesanajefkinz: since I logged in alot of files were created ...
19:07.34jefkinzyes, they would be
19:07.47momesanajefkinz: I'll try again
19:08.05jefkinzcd /tmp; rm -rf .??* *
19:08.23jefkinzis dangerous, be careful
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19:12.07momesanajefkinz: yep I know ... I wiped off anything I had with that command a few years ago :-D
19:12.20momesanajefkinz: but I am carefull when I do it
19:12.27momesanaI'll be back in a second
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19:18.45momesanajefkinz: didn't help
19:18.49momesanajefkinz: :-(
19:19.16momesanajefkinz: and can you playback this file: ftp://momesana.homelinux.org/video.avi ?
19:22.42jefkinzsorry - was afk
19:22.44jefkinzlooking
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19:29.14jefkinzvlc cant access the file
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19:29.27momesanajefkinz: download the file first
19:29.27jefkinzftp probab;y blocked at the firewall here
19:29.43Torch(wget can)
19:30.07jefkinznope
19:30.18jefkinzfirst thing I tried. :(
19:30.34jefkinzTorch: can you wget the file?
19:30.41Torchjefkinz: yes
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19:31.01momesanajefkinz: you can go to ftp://momesana.homelinux.org but can't download the file?
19:31.09jefkinzaha - i tried wget http, not wget ftp.  its coming in
19:31.35momesana:)
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19:33.17jefkinzmomesana: ok, its just kdm, login attempt, kdm again.
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19:33.43momesanajefkinz: yep
19:34.07momesanajefkinz: and since gdm perfectly works the issue must lie withing kdm, not X or whatever there is
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19:39.09jefkinzmomesana: set the kdm debug value to 263, in the file /etc/X11/startDM.sh, reboot the system and try logging in, then see what the kdm log holds
19:39.48momesanajefkinz: can I also start kdm manually as root instead of modifying the startDM.sh file?
19:39.53momesanajefkinz: should be the same
19:40.04momesanaI could run kdm -debug 263 then
19:40.12jefkinz<PROTECTED>
19:40.18jefkinzits very much NOT the same. :-)
19:40.34jefkinzbut you can try it, see if we get anything
19:40.34momesanajefkinz: hm. Ok
19:40.40jefkinzits a faster test,
19:40.48jefkinz<PROTECTED>
19:40.57momesanajefkinz: well, if I try its the same thing ... the output is also being written to /var/log/kdm.log
19:41.04momesanaok
19:41.21momesanashall I use 0x263 or is that a decimal parameter?
19:41.32jefkinzdecimal
19:41.35momesanaok
19:41.53jefkinz(or dekimal for you twain spellers.. :-) )
19:42.08momesana:-D
19:42.09jefkinzerp - i mean desimal
19:42.14jefkinz:)
19:42.20momesanaok, I'll be back in a second
19:42.27jefkinzruns and hides
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19:54.00jefkinzmomesana:   check the files /var/log/debug.log and /var/log/daemon.log to see if kdm spit anything into them as well. according to the kdm developer, those files are usied in addition to kdm.log
19:54.11momesanajefkinz: oh
19:54.13jefkinz*used
19:54.27momesanaok, the kdm log contained the usual suspects
19:54.32momesanaI'll check the other logs then
19:55.47momesanajefkinz: those are syslog files I think
19:55.54momesanaI am using metalog if I am not mistaken
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19:57.47momesanajefkinz: I found something interesting in /var/log/everything/current
19:57.51momesanajefkinz: http://pastebin.ca/1728729
19:58.14AxtrozHey all. I am trying to compile kde from svn but it can't find Shared Desktop Ontologies package which I installed. My OS is Slackware-current. Any advice on how to make kdelibs to find the package?
19:59.36jefkinzmomesana: um - how long did you use kdm before thise failure showed up?
19:59.42momesanajefkinz: but they may be related to some attempts I made to change the startDM script and put the -debug line into the wrong place ...
19:59.51momesanajefkinz: well, for years
20:00.08jefkinz-debug goes on the line which invokes kdm as an argument to kdm.
20:00.40momesanajefkinz: I had this line:
20:00.42momesanastart-stop-daemon --start --exec ${EXEC} \
20:00.43momesana${NAME:+--name} ${NAME} ${PIDFILE:+--pidfile} ${PIDFILE} || \
20:00.45momesanaeerror "ERROR: could not start the Display Manager"
20:01.24momesanaand changed the second line into ${NAME:+--name -debug 263} ${NAME} ...
20:01.43momesanajefkinz: will be back in a second
20:01.48jefkinzhang on
20:01.59jefkinzNAME:blah sets NAME to blah IFF NAME is empty.
20:02.05jefkinzarg!
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20:04.23momesanajefkinz: the ConsoleKit line must be the key
20:05.16jefkinzmomesana: you on gentoo?
20:05.36momesanajefkinz: I just tried it again with the original startDM.sh script and it outputted the errormessage I pasted above ()Cannot open ConsoleKit session: Unable to open session: Failed to execute program /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success
20:05.40momesanajefkinz: yes, gentoo
20:05.44jefkinzmomesana: mess of stuff related to this issue here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-722264-start-925.html
20:06.12jefkinzlooks like you may have to emerge in a specific order???
20:06.51jefkinz"update: I've reemerged dbus and now it works fine." < from forum
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20:08.09momesanajefkinz: same issue but I don't see any solution offered there
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20:08.19momesanajefkinz: I'll uninstall and install consolekit again ...
20:08.33momesanamaybe something went wrong during the backup process
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20:12.46jefkinzmomesana: by the way - your NAME: construct in the DM script will not do what you wanted, I think...
20:13.33momesanajefkinz: well, I already thought this would be the case :-D
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20:13.51jefkinzthe NAME:string contrsuct only sets NAME when NAME is unset or null
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20:14.10jefkinz${parameter:-word}              Use Default Values.  If parameter is unset or null, the expansion of word is substituted.  Otherwise, the value of  parameter       is substituted.
20:14.22momesanaah!
20:14.37momesanamaybe I should have used the second NAME entry then
20:14.44jefkinzso save the original script, and make a version with command hardcoded in.
20:14.57jefkinz(and put the original back when your done. :-) )
20:15.03momesanajefkinz: ok, but I really think that the ConsoleKit error is the cause for this
20:15.03jefkinz*you're
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20:15.20jefkinzmomesana:  i tend to agree. :-0
20:15.22jefkinz:-)
20:15.39momesanaI'll quickly ask the #gentoo guys. Maybe someone has got a clue
20:15.50jefkinzI just had to let you know that the script change may not have changed anything. [ so to speak... ;-) ]
20:15.55momesanajefkinz: or, wait ... I'll restart KDe and ask then ...
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20:16.03silver_hookHullo. Can anyone here help me write a Kross script in Python for KTorrent? The #ktorrent channel is de facto dead (yes, I've been hogging it for two days now) :\
20:16.06jefkinzgood luck, i gotta go
20:16.15momesanajefkinz: thank you very much for your help
20:16.28jefkinzyes, isnet you in many useless directions... ;-D
20:16.29silver_hookmomesana: What's your problem?
20:16.33jefkinz*I sent
20:16.49momesanajefkinz: I wouldn't have checked the other logs if you hadn't told me about it :-)
20:16.59momesanasilver_hook: well, I have a problem with kdm. Can't log in ...
20:17.18momesanasilver_hook: check out this video I just made: ftp://momesana.homelinux.org/video.avi
20:17.25silver_hookHmm, if you think it's a Gentoo+KDE related problem, your best bed is #gentoo-kde
20:17.38momesanasilver_hook: here is a description of the problem: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6110463.html#6110463
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20:18.50momesanasilver_hook: well, I can login using gdm, but it is probably a gentoo related problem. KDM has been working great for years, but today I had to resize my linux partition so I backed up everything and restored it after the partitioning. Everything worked fine except I couldn't log in using kdm though startkde and gdm work
20:19.21momesanasilver_hook: the crucial error message is this: http://pastebin.ca/1728729
20:22.04silver_hookHmmm, that does sound like a problem to ask the distro guys
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20:22.22momesanasilver_hook: I am asking but noone has answered yet :-)
20:22.48silver_hook'equery belongs /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper'
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20:23.52silver_hookWhat do you get if you run that command in the console?
20:24.48momesanasilver_hook: I already reemerged those packages
20:24.57momesanaboth dbus and consolekit
20:25.05silver_hookDid you run 'revdep-rebuild' as well?
20:25.07momesanathe launch-helper belongs to dbus
20:25.21momesanasilver_hook: revdep-rebuild catches binary-incompatibilities
20:25.27momesanasilver_hook: that's not an issue here
20:25.38silver_hookDid you restart the DBus RC script?
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20:26.41rdietermomesana: it may or may not be related, but a recent hal-0.5.14 update in fedora caused similar consolekit failures.  rolling back to 0.5.13 (and later patching/fixing ConsoleKit) helped for me.
20:26.42momesanasilver_hook: not yet
20:26.58silver_hookmomesana: Try restarting the dbus script then...
20:27.25momesanardieter: I got the issue since I archived and restored the system. No updates where done so it must be a strange issue caused by the archiving process
20:27.28silver_hook'/etc/init.d/dbus restart'
20:27.29momesanasilver_hook: ok
20:28.03silver_hookSoooo, is there any KTorrent wiz?
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20:28.15silver_hookOr at least a Python (or Kross) guy?
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20:30.56momesanathank you guys. reemerged consolekit and dbus, restarted both initscripts ... and now it works again (kdm works again)
20:30.58momesana:-d
20:31.04silver_hookNo problem :]
20:31.15momesana:-D damn, that was a strange problem
20:31.23silver_hookmomesana: You wouldn't happen to know anything about KTorrent scripting, would you? ;)
20:31.41momesanasilver_hook: I use ktorrent but never done any scripting on it
20:31.48momesanasilver_hook: does it use python?
20:31.50silver_hookMeh, I think I've had that problem already :P
20:32.16silver_hookmomesana: It uses Kross — so it (via Kross) can use either Python, Ruby, JavaScript...
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20:33.35silver_hookI'm trying to do it in Python ...but a) I suck at coding and b) KTorrent sucks at documentation :P
20:33.48momesanahehe
20:34.02momesanasilver_hook: Well, I haven't done Python script for a looooooooooooooooooooooong time
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20:34.21momesanasilver_hook: but I program quite a lot in C++ and if you tell me what exactly you want to do ... maybe I can help ya
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20:35.01ali_devilhey guys can anyone help me with bypassing internet censorship
20:35.21momesanaali_devil: use tor
20:35.29momesanaali_devil: in combination with privoxy
20:35.35momesanaali_devil: where are you located? iran?
20:35.55ali_devilyes iran
20:36.04momesanaali_devil: pas, tor va privoxy ro nasb kon.
20:36.04Axtrozanyone managed to build kdelibs from the svn trunk with shared-desktop-ontologies? I have the ontologies installed but kdelibs can't seem to find it
20:36.22momesanaali_devil: albate internetet ro shadidan yavaash mikone. Omidvaaram dastres be dsl daari
20:36.29ali_devilnemitoonam configure konam
20:36.36momesanaali_devil: che distroyi daari?
20:36.42ali_devilnasb hastan
20:37.00momesanaali_devil: distributionet chie? debian, ubuntu, gentoo?
20:37.01ali_devilzire diplom sohbat kon :D
20:37.13momesanaali_devil: baa linux daari kaar mikoni?
20:37.20ali_devilfedooora
20:37.31ali_devilare
20:37.39silver_hookali_devil: http://www.torproject.org/
20:37.44momesanaali_devil: man gentoo daaram, baa redhat / fedora ta be haal kaar nakardam
20:37.55momesanasilver_hook: he says he already installed both tor and privoxy
20:38.14silver_hookmomesana: Oh, well... good luck then.
20:38.21momesanasilver_hook: :-)
20:38.29momesanaali_devil: bebin, age kaare fouri daari ...
20:38.43momesanaali_devil: mitooni roo systeme man login koni ... az injaa internet ro begardi ...
20:38.47momesanaali_devil: dsl daari?
20:39.02momesanaali_devil: age fouri nist, privoxy o tor ro baayad raah bendaazim
20:39.18ali_devilna dsl nadram
20:39.23momesanaali_devil: man  6 maah pish iran boodam, nasb o tanzimesh kardam ... ama badesh ke bargashtam alman dige paakesh kardam
20:39.50momesanaali_devil: hm ... midooni ke soratet vahshatnaak paayin mire vaghti az privoxy va tor estefade koni
20:39.57ali_devilman mobtadiam too linux 1 sale shoroo kardam
20:40.24ali_devilmohem nist filterha beshkane
20:40.35momesanaali_devil: hm. Tanzim kardanesh kheili sakht nist. Moshkelet ine ke harchi estefaade koni ... sorate internetet javaabe kaareto nemide
20:40.46momesanaali_devil: bebin ... ye kaari kon
20:41.00momesanaali_devil: aval bebin aayaa too fedora mitooni NXclient ro nasb koni yaa na
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20:41.32ali_devil:((
20:41.44momesanaali_devil: intori az tarighe computere man mitooni online beshi va ingoone filterhaa ro bypass mikono
20:41.55momesanagerye nakon baba, dorost mishe ;-)
20:42.01momesanaali_devil: raasti, tehraani?
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20:44.48ali_deviltnx guys
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21:01.53amstanhey guys, how do you make jack work with phonon
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21:02.19amstani have a special jack device now for alsa, any alsa program can play through jack, but phonon doesn't want to detect it
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21:13.16amstananyone?
21:13.28ali_devilwhat ?
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21:13.59amstanhow do you make jack work with phonon
21:14.03amstan<PROTECTED>
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21:15.50ali_devili dont know lot  but i think u  ve got to change from hardware on system tab
21:15.53ali_devilfedora ?
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21:16.59ali_devilusing what disturb ?
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21:25.22ShuraHi, is-there a speech recognition tool in KDE ?
21:25.41ali_devili wanna know that too
21:26.30thiago_homeyes, there used to be one at least
21:26.53thiago_homebuilt into khotkeys
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21:27.33ShuraUsed to ?
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21:30.27ali_devilno i mean i`m gay :D
21:30.40ali_devilshit type wrong
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21:34.00Ronis_BRhi all
21:34.14Ronis_BRwhat is the best alternative for a WebKit based KDE browser
21:34.37amstanRonis_BR: i think aurora tries to be a qt and webkit browser
21:34.45amstanbut it's just 0.2
21:34.53thiago_homethat's "arora"
21:34.54thiago_homethere's no u
21:35.02amstanwhat thiago_home said
21:35.25amstankonqueror uses khtml, which is like a parent to webkit, so you might want to try that
21:35.38Ronis_BRkhtml is too bad
21:35.43Ronis_BRI can't access some important sites
21:35.58amstannon-kde browsers include epiphany(gtk+webkit) and chromium
21:35.58Ronis_BRdoes arora can be integrated with KDE?
21:36.20momesanaamstan: khtml has long been eclipsed by webkit
21:36.20Ronis_BRI'm using chromium right now but it isn't well integrated with kde
21:36.39Ronis_BRand webkit-kpart for konqueror still lacking very important features
21:37.05amstanRonis_BR: i know the feeling, but i'm unaware of anything kdeish other than konqueror
21:37.09thiago_homearora tries to be integrated
21:37.12thiago_homebut there's also rekonq
21:37.28amstanarora tries to be lightweight, i just checked, they don't even have KIOslaves
21:37.35Ronis_BRrekonq isn't good also :( there isn't spell checking
21:38.11thiago_homespellchecking is a khtml thing
21:38.17thiago_homeif you don't use khtml, you won't get spellchecking
21:38.42Ronis_BRthiago_home: chromium has spell checking
21:39.11amstani would suggest chromium, it's more integrated than even firefox
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21:39.26amstani remember firefox asking me what to open files with every time i downloaded something
21:39.35amstanchromium just looks in defaults
21:40.29Ronis_BRamstan: yes, but that GTK open dialog is bad :(
21:40.54amstanthat too
21:40.56amstanoh god
21:40.58amstanlol
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21:41.28Ronis_BRthe best solution is webkit-kpart, but it seems to be unmantained
21:41.33youshahi
21:41.35youshaall
21:41.43ali_gayhey
21:41.54youshahow i can install plasma theme in kde4
21:41.58youshakde 4.3
21:42.04oneforallweird I rarely get that problem of it asking me
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21:42.38oneforalland I totally dislike the gtk style open dialog box
21:43.58youshai can install gtk theme
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21:44.35youshaoneforall: sudo pacman -Sy qtcurve-gtk2 qtcurve-kde4
21:44.55pinotreemagic commands that here mean nothing :)
21:45.03youshasry
21:45.32stonerhello,
21:45.42stoneris there a way maybe even in qt/kde of executing a command in c++ and getting the stdout data from that command
21:45.54pinotreestoner: #qt
21:46.00thiago_homestoner: your question doesn't make sense
21:46.12thiago_homeif you execute C++ code, the code gets executed and does what you wrote it to do.
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21:47.30stoneryou know like when you execute a command using the system fuction
21:47.37stonerfrom inside your program
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21:47.48pinotreeyousha: use plasmapkg in a terminal to cleanly install it: plasmapkg --type theme --install yourtheme.zip
21:48.03ali_gaywhat do u mean
21:48.03pinotree(`plasmapkg --help` for its help)
21:48.14youshapinotree: Ty Dude :X
21:48.35QwertyMhm, my kate isn't auto-indenting anymore, any idea what I must (re)enable? Indentation mode is set to Python (Tried normal too)
21:49.10QwertyMupon a newline, it goes back to the zero indentation level, not to the current level
21:49.10stonerill try #qt
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21:52.16ali_gaylets see if any one agreed with gnome ?
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21:57.40rohdefhow do I make KDE connect to my mobile broadband from the network manager?
21:57.49rohdefwhen I click the connection nothing happens
21:58.19rohdefI can see KDE detects the modem and all that, and if I remember right the pincode for the modem is also added to the settings
21:59.40thiago_homeask your distribution
21:59.45thiago_homenetwork manager is their business
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22:01.33ali_devilhow i configure privoxy?
22:01.50thiago_homeali_devil: not a KDE question.
22:02.25ali_devilhow i bypass internet censorship in KDE ?
22:02.30rohdefthiago_home, ok, thanks
22:02.41thiago_homeali_devil: not a KDE question.
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22:41.04x127hello
22:41.08x127what backend does okular use for printing to postscript files, and is there any way to use that backend from the cli?
22:41.42x127i tried ghostscript, but whatever it is that okular uses works better for me
22:41.49thiago_homeprinting what to postscript?
22:41.52pinotreeokular uses ghostscript
22:42.08thiago_homepostscript to postscript, for example, has no transformations :-)
22:42.30x127pdf to postscript
22:43.01thiago_homeokular uses poppler to parse the PDF
22:43.22thiago_homebut can't CUPS take PDF directly?
22:43.29x127okular does not execute the gs binary, it seems. how would I find out which gs-parameters are used?
22:43.32pinotreenope (otherwise...)
22:43.48pinotreex127: ok, what is the real question?
22:44.21x127i have a pdf and want to print single pages to ps
22:44.51Marchitosi am testing kde 4.3.85 ( 4.4 beta 2)
22:44.56Marchitosdoes kmail need to use akonadi?
22:45.11thiago_homeMarchitos: yes
22:45.14x127but i want to do it from the shell since i want to avoid clicking hundreds of times
22:45.31Marchitosbut...
22:45.42thiago_homeMarchitos: there is no "but"
22:45.43pinotreeyou don't need okular for that, you can use poppler's pdftops util
22:45.58x127okay, i will try that. thanks
22:46.08Marchitoswhich is the advantage for an home user?
22:46.15thiago_homeMarchitos: "it works"
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22:46.33Marchitosyes..
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22:46.43Marchitosbut you have mysql open..
22:46.48Marchitosand other process..
22:46.49thiago_homeand what's the problem?
22:47.14Marchitosi can't understand why it's needed for an home user:)
22:47.22thiago_homebecause that's the architecture
22:47.28thiago_homeall PIM data is saved in the database
22:47.34Marchitosah so..
22:47.39thiago_homecentralised, so all applications can access the data easily
22:47.39Marchitoseverything is in one place
22:47.46Marchitosah good
22:48.09Marchitosdo you have trunk?
22:48.13thiago_homeyes
22:48.16x127pinotree: cool, it works just fine. thanks
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22:48.47Marchitosi have a problem with tagging ..
22:48.55Marchitosi can't search tagged file
22:49.36clearyMarchitos: look under System Settings -> Advanced -> Desktop Search
22:49.49Marchitosyes
22:49.50Marchitosand?
22:50.29clearyWhat does it say under Desktop File Indexer?
22:51.11Marchitosactive
22:51.35Marchitosindexing is fully working
22:51.37Marchitosi can tag files
22:51.40Marchitossave comment
22:51.42Marchitosetc
22:51.44Marchitosbut i can't search
22:51.48Marchitosexample:
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22:51.59Marchitosi tag a file with holiday
22:52.06Marchitosthen i go into the search bar
22:52.08cleary"can't search", or "search returns no results"?
22:52.17Marchitosreturn no result
22:53.17clearyok, I'm out of ideas then
22:53.33Marchitosdo you use trunk?
22:53.37clearynope
22:53.59Marchitosahh
22:54.01Marchitosok
22:54.16clearythat would have been a useful thing to mention at the beginning ;)
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23:17.33jonnorI have a thumbnailer (code at http://gitorious.org/oratools/oratools/trees/master/thumbnailer-kde) that I want to get upstream
23:17.45jonnorHow should I approach this? What is the relevant project?
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23:41.34DashkalI'm having a brain block.  Can someone remind me of the name of the kde application for ripping/encoding audio cds?
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23:48.46Dashkalahh, KAudioCreator, and it wasn't ported to kde4.  k3b handles that now it seems.
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23:58.07mschiffDashkal: kaudiocreator IS ported to kde4
23:59.16mschiffhey my striggi thingi tells me it has indexed >10000 files and is utlilizing >169 MB of space... is there any application in kde 4.4 that can make use of that data?

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