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| 00:00.50 | Torch | (well, unless you need it working on kde 4.4 with oxygen... ;-)) |
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| 00:02.48 | Sho_ | Torch: ah, you're that guy |
| 00:02.52 | Sho_ | nice work |
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| 00:04.10 | djtoast | Hi all, i just installed kde all seems ok except openvpn .. i see alot of post about it however no clear info on how to fix. |
| 00:04.12 | Torch | Sho_: thanks... you're still that konversation guy, right? ;-) |
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| 00:04.26 | Sho_ | Torch: Yup, Konversation and Yakuake |
| 00:04.31 | kristian-aalborg | I'm having trouble remembering which stuff comes from where now and then ;) |
| 00:04.34 | djtoast | anyone had issues with openvpn and passwordless certificates? |
| 00:04.38 | Torch | Sho_: never seen yajuake, but konversation rockx. |
| 00:04.45 | Sho_ | The latter of which you pushed from #1 of the kde-apps highest rated apps with your partition manager |
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| 00:04.54 | rhombus | Torch: if I try to run kbuildsycoca --global, I get complaints about permissions. Is that a clue? |
| 00:05.04 | Torch | Sho_: i though that was the wonderful backup thingie. |
| 00:05.06 | rhombus | Torch: Or am i supposed to run kbuildsycoca --global as root? |
| 00:05.12 | Torch | rhombus: yes. |
| 00:05.16 | Torch | rhombus: no |
| 00:05.18 | kristian-aalborg | this is not to nag, but since I'm here.... |
| 00:05.27 | Torch | kristian-aalborg: yes? |
| 00:05.31 | rhombus | Torch: so, yes a clue, no run as root. |
| 00:05.36 | Sho_ | Torch: It was some time ago, the backup thingie has climbed recently :) |
| 00:05.41 | kristian-aalborg | anybody know some KDE apps seem to crash too often on Ubuntu? |
| 00:05.42 | Torch | rhombus: yep. this is a clue. don't run as root |
| 00:05.45 | Sho_ | Torch: Yakuake is too old now, everybody has voted already ;) |
| 00:06.03 | Torch | Sho_: ah, i see ;-) a fate partition manager yet has to encounter. |
| 00:06.21 | Torch | kristian-aalborg: sounds bad. normally, nothing should crash regularly. |
| 00:06.39 | Torch | kristian-aalborg: there are known bugs, though |
| 00:07.05 | Torch | kristian-aalborg: but if you, like, get five crashes an hour, s.th. is really wrong |
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| 00:07.31 | rhombus | Torch: Check it out: http://pastebin.ca/1736828 |
| 00:07.33 | Torch | Sho_: the strange thing is i have no idea why partition manager ever scored that high there. |
| 00:07.48 | Torch | Sho_: i mean agains digikam or amarok or whatever... real killer apps. |
| 00:07.49 | kristian-aalborg | well |
| 00:07.58 | Torch | Sho_: shows there's something really off with the kde-apps voting. |
| 00:08.23 | kristian-aalborg | I'm not an avid user... but quanta just goes down after some time... so did a css editor |
| 00:08.24 | Torch | kristian-aalborg: yikes. |
| 00:08.30 | Sho_ | Torch: The weighting algorithm is pretty complex I think ... it has to do with how old the votes are, when entries get updated, etc. |
| 00:08.40 | Torch | kristian-aalborg: this looks completely broken, but i'm no expert. |
| 00:08.56 | kristian-aalborg | worst thing is, quanta messes up the open files first, in a split second! |
| 00:09.23 | Torch | Sho_: but partition manager got #1 when it was released and has been there for more than a year now, with short interruptions from the backup thingie, which is a qt app... |
| 00:09.40 | kristian-aalborg | this is on mint gloria |
| 00:09.40 | Torch | Sho_: that seems odd to me. |
| 00:09.52 | Torch | Sho_: not that i'm complaining ;-) |
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| 00:10.35 | Torch | kristian-aalborg: try a new user |
| 00:10.47 | Torch | kristian-aalborg: create a completely new user on your system and try with that |
| 00:11.41 | Sho_ | Torch: Maybe he keeps tweaking the algorithm but fails to adjust the old entries to make sense or something |
| 00:11.43 | Sho_ | Torch: Shame that the site isn't open source |
| 00:12.10 | kristian-aalborg | Torch: I'll keep that in mind |
| 00:12.20 | Torch | kristian-aalborg: why not just try it? |
| 00:12.30 | Torch | Sho_: yep, but isn't he trying to live off it? |
| 00:12.50 | Sho_ | Torch: Yeah, but why would he have less ad revenue if the site were open source? The value is in the content, not the source |
| 00:13.01 | Sho_ | Torch: It's a bit ironic that "openDesktop.org" is closed source if you ask me |
| 00:13.06 | rhombus | Sometimes, Google really blows me away. It has already indexed my pastebin post, not two minutes after I posted it. |
| 00:13.07 | kristian-aalborg | I will, just not right now... other things on schedule ;) |
| 00:13.15 | Torch | Sho_: sure, you're right. |
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| 00:14.02 | rhombus | Torch: Did you see my pastebinned output? |
| 00:14.17 | kristian-aalborg | rhombus: I was stunned when that happened to me, too |
| 00:14.19 | Torch | rhombus: sure. |
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| 00:14.41 | tweety_ | hi aall |
| 00:14.42 | rhombus | kristian-aalborg: ridiculous amounts of computing power |
| 00:14.45 | kristian-aalborg | only answer: google is in your apartment, watching you |
| 00:14.47 | Torch | rhombus: i got a little confused though. |
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| 00:15.02 | tweety_ | got a kde 4 problem... |
| 00:15.04 | tweety_ | at the right top corner there is a small orange blob, it has the menu entry: "desktop settings". a new window appears. on one computer there are three items at the left side, on the other computer only one.. from where do i get those entries |
| 00:15.10 | rhombus | Torch: yeah? please give me an opportunity to clarify... what's confusing? |
| 00:15.17 | Torch | rhombus: no, no, just me |
| 00:15.17 | tweety_ | any ideas? |
| 00:15.32 | Torch | rhombus: it's late and i had a couple of beers, that's all ;-) |
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| 00:15.45 | rhombus | Torch: i hear you |
| 00:15.57 | Torch | rhombus: if that is what kbuildsycoca is giving you sth is really broken |
| 00:16.14 | NexT||eVo | how i can remove plasma taskbar opacity? I use composite. Translicent plugin off |
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| 00:16.21 | rhombus | Torch: please, I am desperate for a strategy for fixing what is broken |
| 00:16.40 | Torch | rhombus: check permissions in /tmp and /var/tmp |
| 00:16.46 | rhombus | Torch: okay |
| 00:17.07 | Torch | rhombus: if nothing suspicious turns up, log out, delete all kde* files there and reboot. |
| 00:17.26 | rhombus | Torch: in both /tmp and /var/tmp? |
| 00:17.26 | NexT||eVo | Torch: any idea? |
| 00:17.27 | Torch | rhombus: and if someone else speaks up here with more knowledge about that than myself, don't trust me ;-) |
| 00:17.28 | happyrj | I notice when I go back a folder in konq (kde 4.3.3) that it no longer highlight the folder I just came from (as in kde 3.5). Any ideas how to make it do that again? |
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| 00:17.45 | Torch | NexT||eVo: i think this is controlled by the theme |
| 00:17.54 | NexT||eVo | = |
| 00:17.56 | rhombus | Torch: It is hard for me to imagine that deleting files in tmp could cause major damage |
| 00:18.04 | Torch | rhombus: it can |
| 00:18.06 | NexT||eVo | plasma theme binary too? |
| 00:18.19 | Torch | rhombus: might be sockets some process looks for |
| 00:18.26 | Torch | NexT||eVo: huh? |
| 00:18.42 | NexT||eVo | like qt oxygen its library... |
| 00:18.56 | Torch | NexT||eVo: sorry, i can't follow you here |
| 00:19.07 | NexT||eVo | ok |
| 00:19.12 | NexT||eVo | thx |
| 00:19.47 | rhombus | Torch: but if you reboot? Or if you log out of KDE and stop X? |
| 00:19.59 | rhombus | Torch: If nothing is running, how can the socket be important? |
| 00:20.16 | Torch | rhombus: once you reboot, it's no longer important |
| 00:20.36 | Torch | is off to bed. |
| 00:20.38 | Torch | night. |
| 00:20.43 | tweety_ | n8 |
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| 00:21.07 | rhombus | Torch: night |
| 00:21.14 | rhombus | Torch: and thanks |
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| 00:21.38 | grumpyrj | Anyone happen to know where kde4 stores the icons/.desktop files for a quicklaunch panel? |
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| 00:22.55 | grumpyrj | or how to edit one of the items on a quicklaunch? |
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| 01:18.57 | Alumin | When I try to print something from Kontact/KMail, it sends it to the printer as A4 even though CUPS is configured to use Letter paper (and that's what it says in the print dialog as well); what do I need to update to ensure this doesn't happen? |
| 01:19.50 | Alumin | the issue seems to be specific to KMail (or maybe specific to KDE?); when I print from Firefox, for example, this doesn't happen |
| 01:22.02 | Alumin | http://www.mail-archive.com/redhat-list@redhat.com/msg110329.html <-- I've checked the settings described here, but they're already correct |
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| 01:28.26 | Alumin | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/kde4-printing-does-not-honour-paper-size-selection-759502/#lqtags_3707502 <-- ok, this seems to have done the trick, at least temporarily |
| 01:28.31 | Alumin | let's hope it sticks :) |
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| 01:48.04 | amstan | hey guys |
| 01:48.16 | amstan | i'm looking for a newsgroup reader that integrates nicely with kde4 |
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| 01:51.00 | Alumin | knode |
| 01:51.14 | Alumin | plugs right in to Kontact, if you're into that :) |
| 01:51.26 | Alumin | (that's where I use it) |
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| 02:09.51 | jason__ | Hey guys - Besides Debian and Kubuntu, what other Debian based KDE distros are out there that I could try? |
| 02:10.10 | Alumin | depending on your definition of distro, there's Knoppix |
| 02:10.20 | Alumin | doesn't MEPIS use KDE? |
| 02:10.27 | jason__ | distro as in, something I can really utilize and use as a main OS |
| 02:10.34 | Jetchisel | Arch? |
| 02:10.38 | jason__ | I have Kubuntu installed now. Love it. Zero problems. But I want to try other stuff too. |
| 02:10.42 | Jucato | Jetchisel: he said Debian based |
| 02:10.43 | Alumin | arch isn't Debian-based |
| 02:10.51 | Jetchisel | meh....:P |
| 02:11.14 | jason__ | I already tried several RPM distros. I liked fedora and suse a lot, but RPM isnt really my comfort zone. |
| 02:11.23 | Alumin | arch isn't RPM-based either :) |
| 02:11.52 | jason__ | whats arch? |
| 02:12.12 | Alumin | it's uh...I'm not sure exactly |
| 02:12.28 | Jucato | it's a distro ... |
| 02:12.30 | Jucato | Arch Linux |
| 02:12.31 | Alumin | I think I heard someone say it sort of evolved from Gentoo one time, but I could be making that up |
| 02:12.38 | Alumin | well yeah it's a distro :) |
| 02:12.54 | jason__ | yeah I know - I mean whats it basd on |
| 02:12.58 | Jucato | nothing |
| 02:13.03 | jason__ | its a mutt? :P |
| 02:13.15 | Alumin | it does have undeniably the best package manager app name though :) |
| 02:13.35 | Alumin | "pacman" hehe |
| 02:13.44 | jason__ | Im asking these questions because I only recently got into KDE. Up until now my nose has been up Gnome alley so my KDE knowledge is very limited. |
| 02:14.02 | jason__ | What would you guys say one of the most popular KDE Debian distros is? Kubuntu? Or is there another I'm not familiar with? |
| 02:14.11 | Alumin | I'd say Kubuntu |
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| 02:14.45 | Jetchisel | id say KDE :P |
| 02:14.50 | jason__ | Yeah. I like Kubuntu a lot. But I have a spare PC here to try out new native installs of linux distros so Im trying to play around with whatever I can. |
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| 02:16.04 | javier_ | jason__: there are many other distros worth trying which are not debian-based :-P |
| 02:16.37 | jason__ | javier - Oh I know. I tried quite a few RPM distros. Now Im kind of making my rounds with Debian based. :P |
| 02:16.55 | jason__ | Im sorry - this is probably more off topic material. |
| 02:17.14 | javier_ | distrowatch may answer your question |
| 02:17.41 | Jetchisel | try LFS or the BSD families. |
| 02:17.46 | Jetchisel | :P |
| 02:17.54 | javier_ | they have a list of the most popular distroes |
| 02:18.10 | javier_ | PC-BSD maybe? :-P |
| 02:18.17 | jason__ | hows PC BSD doing? |
| 02:18.20 | jason__ | I heard its on life support |
| 02:19.26 | javier_ | good I think |
| 02:19.40 | javier_ | they have an active community like many other projects |
| 02:19.43 | Jetchisel | dont believe in everything you hear ... it might kill you :P |
| 02:20.03 | jason__ | Jetchisel: well I read somewhere that almost all of the developers left to make their own distro. It was on some linux news web site I came across. |
| 02:20.42 | Jetchisel | you read the site not heard :P |
| 02:21.09 | Jetchisel | well this is off-topic subject now ...dont be surprised if we both got kicked anytime soon :P |
| 02:22.16 | jason__ | yeah, oh well. Its not like we're clogging up the chat room with anything. Besides this discussion, its dead. |
| 02:22.51 | jason__ | does distro watch have a filter to separate deb from rpm distros in the top 100? |
| 02:24.49 | Jucato | use their advanced search |
| 02:25.51 | jason__ | looking for it... |
| 02:28.23 | Jucato | http://distrowatch.com/search.php |
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| 02:34.29 | jason__ | heres a KDE question - I made firefox my default with the alternatives command - when people send me links in pidgin, it opens in firefox. when I click the link you just sent me, it opens in konq. |
| 02:35.10 | Jucato | set firefox in System Settings -> Default Applications -> Web Browser |
| 02:36.23 | jason__ | youre the man jucato |
| 02:41.49 | Alumin | jason__: this might be overkill for what you're looking for, but what I did was leave the default application at "in an application based on the contents of the url" and then modified the settings per filetype in system settings -> advanced -> file associations |
| 02:42.10 | Alumin | it's definitely more work that way, but it seemed like a more robust solution to me |
| 02:43.45 | jason__ | Alumin: whats the use of doing that when the setting in system settings changes it fine? |
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| 02:44.09 | scrote | hi |
| 02:44.17 | Alumin | jason__: by changing the individual file assocations, you get to take advantage of the full granularity of KDE's MIME type handling |
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| 02:44.34 | scrote | the volume dial's keycode is 176. How do i associate turning it with the volume ? |
| 02:45.22 | scrote | how do I map that to a direction im turning the volume dial? |
| 02:45.31 | scrote | 176 comes from xdev |
| 02:45.33 | scrote | xev |
| 02:45.36 | jason__ | Alumin: even still, it works here... would I gain anything else by doing it the other way? |
| 02:46.02 | Alumin | jason__: well, it depends on what kind of links you click |
| 02:46.22 | Alumin | as an example, say you click on a link to a JPEG...by just overriding to Firefox, that JPEG will open in Firefox |
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| 02:46.43 | Alumin | but if you set the individual file associations, KDE can hand it off to, say, Gwenview, which is specialized for image files |
| 02:47.15 | Alumin | it's more obvious if you click on a URL that links to a type of file Firefox doesn't handle internally |
| 02:47.15 | asobi | what's the appropriate channel to make a suggestion |
| 02:47.47 | Jucato | bugs.kde.org or brainstorm.kde.org/brainstorm.php |
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| 02:49.57 | asobi | thanks |
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| 03:51.37 | oneforall | darn copy paste is driving me nuts. |
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| 03:58.07 | oneforall | any ideas on what I can look for to trace down why copy paste is working so crappy with 4.3.85 . It worked normal before that. Doesn't matter if its a gtk app or kde etc . I highlight , then middle click and nothing . most of the time |
| 03:59.01 | oneforall | sometimes thou I do see it not staying highlighted like it should . |
| 03:59.06 | grumpyrj | interesting point. does one still use klipper under the new kde for decent clip board? |
| 03:59.41 | grumpyrj | yes, to answer my own question.... |
| 04:00.25 | grumpyrj | oneforall: highlighted in what? |
| 04:00.26 | oneforall | if I can doubke click then it works pretty much all the time. but when I want part of a sentence it sucks :) |
| 04:00.40 | grumpyrj | ah |
| 04:00.52 | grumpyrj | that sounds like a feature, not a bug. |
| 04:01.01 | oneforall | anything xchat kate konesole to xchat ot the other way around . xchat to firefox etc .. |
| 04:01.17 | oneforall | well no its always been a feature so its nothing new |
| 04:01.17 | grumpyrj | oh. suck. |
| 04:01.27 | Alumin | grumpyrj: I'm a big fan of klipper |
| 04:01.30 | oneforall | its just like broken :) |
| 04:02.25 | oneforall | yeha I aint going to type what i can grab quickly and only parts I want . But its like the quick its loosing the highlight so its blank for characters |
| 04:03.57 | oneforall | sucks to when you highlight just a part of a line in mcedit(in konsole) and hit F8 and it takes the whole line . SO I'd say it lost the highlight :) |
| 04:05.28 | oneforall | to do that one its highlight with out the shift . With shift its to grab it and paste it |
| 04:05.47 | grumpyrj | I usually just highlight with mouse then scroll click where I want it. not sure about the f8 thing. |
| 04:07.26 | oneforall | yeah , shift mouse(copy mcedit in konsole) and then paste it . no cut in mcedit :) well the cut is to do what i said highlight with the mouse then hit F8 and it will only remove the part that was highlighted |
| 04:08.15 | oneforall | so there is a cut but only when its running in konsole . But not a feature in real cli :0 |
| 04:08.30 | grumpyrj | oh, I'd use screen in a console |
| 04:08.44 | grumpyrj | ctrl-a [ |
| 04:09.12 | oneforall | might be a way with the kb but I prefer the quickness of the mouse highlight |
| 04:09.31 | grumpyrj | m |
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| 05:48.32 | kvikas | Hey, one of the recent update of kde or after i added a akonadi resource in kontact, kopete refuses to start/hangs when akonadi is not running. How can i change this? Actually kopete tries to start akonadi but i've configured akonadi to use mysql and if mysql is not running then akonadi doesn't run and if akonadi doesn't run kopete doesn't run. Please help. |
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| 05:50.55 | junkDawgie | i should know this, and i've looked with no avail... when you are limited to kb only.... how do you summon the right click context menu on a highlighted item .. kde4.3.4 ? no kb combo seems to do it... |
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| 06:02.31 | Smoth | is there a way to temporarily disable KDE shortcut keys |
| 06:02.53 | Smoth | I need to kill them to use a specific application efficiently. |
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| 06:15.34 | msb_ | Hi! is there a FAQ page for KDE4? |
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| 06:16.57 | msb_ | Also, is there a way to remove a task-bar/system-tray (whatever it's called) from a panel? |
| 06:19.27 | QwertyM | msb_: yes you can remove it, head to panel settings and right click on the tray area to see a remove option |
| 06:19.32 | legnaleurc | msb_: just unlock the panel and right click |
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| 06:21.03 | QwertyM | msb_: for help there's always http://userbase.kde.org/ to search upon :) |
| 06:21.41 | msb_ | It worked! So rightclicking on a panel widget is state-specific -- depends on whether the panel-settings thingy is up! |
| 06:22.42 | QwertyM | no, but that makes it easy to get to the context menu for the applet, else you'd have to point to an empty region and click, otherwise a tray item's context menu may pop-up :) |
| 06:24.11 | msb_ | Well, in any case it works! |
| 06:24.44 | msb_ | Now, is there a way to make the taskbar show only the tasks of the particular desktop you're in, instead of the tasks of all the desktops? |
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| 06:25.06 | QwertyM | msb_: yes, head to its settings ;) |
| 06:25.28 | msb_ | yep, just found it the same way! |
| 06:25.36 | Smoth | is there a way to temporarily disable KDE shortcut keys |
| 06:25.37 | Smoth | I need to kill them to use a specific application efficiently. |
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| 06:31.36 | QwertyM | Smoth: you want to block all global shortcuts? |
| 06:32.28 | msb_ | The panel with the taskbar has diagonal stripes which makes the task names very hard to read. Is there any way to get rid of the stripes, and even choose a uniform color? |
| 06:32.56 | QwertyM | Smoth: if so, you can r-click the window-titlebar and head to advanced > special window settings > workarounds tab > last option there |
| 06:33.53 | QwertyM | msb_: I believe that's related to the theme you're using for plasma, it must be air by default - change it to oxygen or etc and see if that helps |
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| 06:40.34 | msb_ | "Oxygen" makes the panel black, and "Aya" makes it grey. I wish I could make it white for easy reading of the task names. |
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| 06:47.12 | chakie_work | hm, i have a few hundred popups from KPackageKit about "Cannot get lock" |
| 06:47.46 | chakie_work | all identical |
| 06:47.58 | chakie_work | can't seem to kill them all at once either |
| 06:48.41 | QwertyM | msb_: try downloading a theme you like then? kde-look.org has many |
| 06:48.42 | chakie_work | argh, and more keeps coming... |
| 06:49.13 | QwertyM | chakie_work: SIGKILL the parent? o.O |
| 06:49.27 | chakie_work | crap, do i have to reboot because the packageking notifications are fubar? |
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| 06:49.48 | chakie_work | QwertyM: sorrym,, can't see what you type, notifications cover your text |
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| 06:52.20 | msb_ | QwertyM- Maybe I could make my own functional rather than decorative theme? Are there instructions for that? |
| 06:52.33 | chakie_work | QwertyM: no, that doesn't work, already did it |
| 06:53.29 | QwertyM | msb_: sure, http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials/Plasma/Theme |
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| 06:53.33 | chakie_work | the notification system has received "a few" notifications from some buggy app and now it dutifully shows them all |
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| 06:55.11 | chakie_work | crap |
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| 07:06.23 | msb_ | Scalable Vector Graphics, eh? All I want is black and white and readable to a 64 year old. If I want pretty, I'll look at a picture. 8^). |
| 07:10.13 | chakie_work | can't i flush/kill/neuter the notification system somehow? |
| 07:10.32 | chakie_work | i've now clicked away notifications for 10 minutes |
| 07:11.07 | chakie_work | the jerky animation means one can't click them while they slowly "move" upwards to fill yet another screen |
| 07:11.54 | chakie_work | killing plasma doesn't help |
| 07:12.02 | chakie_work | of course, it had already died of its own too |
| 07:12.51 | chakie_work | ah, knotify4 had to be killed |
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| 07:15.18 | pht | hi |
| 07:16.11 | pht | how do i get rid of the mixer starting at each startup? i don't see it in autostart directory and i don't see it in the autostart settings of systemsettings. |
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| 07:37.47 | judgen | it tells me every time i get a kopete message that it cant find vlc or mplayer.. |
| 07:38.05 | judgen | is there a configuration for that somewhere. |
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| 08:45.27 | defenderbg | hi everyone |
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| 08:46.24 | defenderbg | i have kde4.3.4 and I want to be able to change the amarok playing song from the krunner |
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| 08:46.36 | defenderbg | yet i dont have this plugin installed |
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| 08:47.11 | defenderbg | my bad, 4.3.3, so my question is, does this come with 4.3.4 or how do i get it? |
| 08:51.44 | cb400f | 4.3.4 doesn't have new features over 4.3.3 |
| 08:51.49 | cb400f | bugfix release |
| 08:52.00 | cb400f | mediaplayer control is prolly a 4.4 feature |
| 08:53.07 | defenderbg | hmm, so cb400f you dont have this feature like me? |
| 08:53.31 | cb400f | haven't looked.. but I seem to remember translating such stuff for 4.4 :-) |
| 08:54.11 | defenderbg | if you run kde4.3, can you start krunner and see if there is such a plugin |
| 08:54.15 | cb400f | nope.. don't see any krunner plugins in 4.3.4 that seem related to media players |
| 08:55.25 | defenderbg | well, seems that I am not the only one :/ |
| 08:55.30 | cb400f | I was just about to reboot into my 4.4beta installation to check something regarding dual head.. I'll try to see if it's there :-) |
| 08:55.52 | defenderbg | a friend of mine claims that he has it (4.3.4 + amarok2.1) |
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| 08:58.35 | spectral | maybe some backports done by your distro..? |
| 08:58.43 | spectral | i mean, your friends distro |
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| 08:59.28 | Bonster_ | doubt it |
| 09:00.16 | defenderbg | well. he uses the arch linux chakra project |
| 09:00.21 | defenderbg | so it might be it |
| 09:00.27 | Jucato | could be a 3rd party package |
| 09:00.51 | defenderbg | while I use gentoo, which is quite famouse for being vanila es it gets |
| 09:01.22 | Bonster_ | why not just ask him |
| 09:01.25 | defenderbg | he got it per default installed with his distro |
| 09:01.51 | defenderbg | i asked him, yet he just got it with his installation and so i though it is a problem in mine |
| 09:02.07 | Jucato | chakra is definitely not vanilla |
| 09:02.28 | Jucato | http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.4_Release_Goals#KRunner |
| 09:02.58 | Jucato | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Amarok+Runner?content=109120 |
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| 09:03.41 | Bonster_ | cant search by songs? |
| 09:04.02 | defenderbg | i cant, he can |
| 09:04.49 | defenderbg | thanks for the tip Jucato, I tried searching kde-look but somehow did not find this plugin |
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| 09:05.30 | defenderbg | thoug, yes, as Bonster_ said, it cant search by song (what I need) |
| 09:06.35 | Bonster_ | reminds me of gnome do then |
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| 09:11.11 | cb400f | defenderbg: yes, in 4.4b2 there's a krunner control audio player plugin |
| 09:12.19 | Jucato | cb400f: yeah. just threw a link earlier for 4.4 release goals :) |
| 09:12.24 | Jucato | [17:02] <Jucato> http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.4_Release_Goals#KRunner |
| 09:12.30 | defenderbg | well, so all I have to do is to wait for 3-6 months for it to get stable ;) |
| 09:12.56 | sperber | kde 4.3.4, FreeBSD - Is there a way to tell kde to use the correct timezone? - my system is set to GMT, and the user has an environment variable TZ which says Vienna/Europe - however KDE ignores that variable... |
| 09:13.01 | Jucato | defenderbg: Feb is the target release of 4.4 |
| 09:13.10 | Jucato | (Feb 4 or 9. can't recall) |
| 09:13.12 | cb400f | early feb.. 1 month |
| 09:13.56 | cb400f | reboots back to 4.3 |
| 09:14.03 | defenderbg | wow, o well, and 1 month till it compiles ;) |
| 09:14.11 | sperber | In system settings it talks about Africa/Tunis which was never set by me - however changing it requires root access (which makes no sense) |
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| 09:16.50 | defenderbg | time go, thanks and bb |
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| 09:21.43 | the_gamer | how to get the desktop in new kde? ctrl+alt+d doesn't work anymore and it's really annoying to have to minimize all windows every time |
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| 09:24.48 | cb400f | there's a show desktop widget |
| 09:25.00 | cb400f | ctrl+f12 for the dashboard |
| 09:25.07 | Bonster_ | think u need to go to global keybidnings |
| 09:25.11 | cb400f | .. and please specify which version is "new kde" for you |
| 09:25.34 | cb400f | think a shortcut for show desktop was reintroduced (for 4.4?) |
| 09:25.45 | Bonster_ | is under kwin settings |
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| 09:39.02 | the_gamer | cb400f: where to find the version? |
| 09:39.15 | the_gamer | ctrl+f12 doesn't do anything either |
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| 09:39.52 | the_gamer | ah, found it |
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| 09:39.57 | the_gamer | i got 4.3.4 here |
| 09:40.35 | the_gamer | so i have to update to 4.4 to be able to show my desktop with a hotkey again? |
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| 09:42.36 | Jucato | not really. there are various ways, depending on whether you really want just "show desktop" (in this case, the dashboard on top of all windows) or "minimize all windows" |
| 09:43.53 | Jucato | System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Global Keyboard Shortcuts -> KDE Component: Plasma Workspace, the Show Dashboard action |
| 09:45.06 | the_gamer | thx |
| 09:45.06 | Jucato | for the other one (minimize all windows) you just have to add the "Show Desktop" widget on the panel and set a keyboard shortcut for it |
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| 09:51.35 | a-st | Good Morning :) |
| 09:52.21 | a-st | How do I enter Unicode, like U+2620, into Konsole? |
| 09:53.23 | aseigo | kcharselect, perhaps? |
| 09:56.25 | ehc | i''m trying to migrate kmail dimap data from one comp to another. the data is in an archive. i placed the kmail dir from the old comp into the .kde/share/apps/kmail dir on the new kde4 system. but i'm getting tons of errors that "folders are missing" and that I don't have read/write on the Inbox. any ideas? |
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| 10:10.51 | a-st_ | aseigo: is there no way like in gtk with ctrl+alt+number ? |
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| 10:12.05 | aseigo | don't believe so, no.. :/ |
| 10:12.39 | aseigo | ehc: ownership issues? e.g. different user id on the new machine? |
| 10:15.16 | nevyn | waves at aseigo |
| 10:15.50 | aseigo | waves back, yawns too as it's 02:15 |
| 10:16.33 | nevyn | so I've been doing arduino stuff.. on this little data collection platform called Aiko... |
| 10:16.37 | nevyn | and I was thinking. |
| 10:17.15 | nevyn | it'd be neat to write a plasmoid to display data from sensors that reported over serial. |
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| 10:24.45 | aseigo | nevyn: would be very simple |
| 10:24.46 | ehc | aseigo: the yeah, possibly, the name of the user is the same, but i don't know if there is some id or encryption to in addition to the name of the user. I tried chown'ing the files and that got rid of the ownership problem but i still had the folder missing error |
| 10:25.18 | aseigo | ehc: missing folders ... might be a mismatch between configuration and data on disk ... |
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| 10:25.30 | aseigo | goes to bed.. things are compiling and working, it's 2:25am, i'm dead tired..g'nite peeps |
| 10:25.47 | pinotree | night aseigo |
| 10:26.01 | aseigo | nevyn: if you'd like to work on such a thing, you can find help in #plasma i'm sure :) i'd dig into it with you right now, but i'm less than useful due to sleep need :) |
| 10:26.02 | aseigo | pinotree: g'nite dude |
| 10:26.16 | nevyn | aseigo: that's totally fair |
| 10:26.18 | nevyn | ;) |
| 10:26.24 | nevyn | aseigo: night night |
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| 10:28.26 | tweety_ | hi all |
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| 10:29.03 | tweety_ | what is lang here? de / en? |
| 10:29.08 | pinotree | en |
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| 10:29.32 | tweety_ | okay.. got a problem with some pakets of kde: at the right top corner there is a small orange blob, it has the menu entry: "desktop settings". a new window appears. on one computer there are three items at the left side, on the other computer only one.. from where do i get those entries |
| 10:29.35 | devilsadvocate | nevyn, i think i've seen such a plasmoid somewhere... some temp sensor, i think |
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| 10:29.53 | devilsadvocate | searches |
| 10:30.19 | nevyn | devilsadvocate: I'm actually thinking of the required dataprovider to be able to interpret serial aiko SExpressions |
| 10:30.20 | devilsadvocate | nevyn, http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/T-arduino?content=102883 |
| 10:31.56 | devilsadvocate | nevyn, why wouldnt it be able to? if written in python, you can just import foo and you're done (mostly) |
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| 10:32.16 | nevyn | the software running on the arduino is very different |
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| 10:33.31 | nevyn | that's one sensor attached to the arduino |
| 10:33.35 | beyecixramd | how can i fix this? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40492 |
| 10:33.48 | beyecixramd | uh, sorry.. http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/9757/annoynessplz.jpg |
| 10:33.53 | beyecixramd | it's QtCurve |
| 10:34.39 | nevyn | I have a ldr and temp sensor and potentially all sorts of sensors. and need to parse SExpressions to read data. so I'm doing something more frameworky than that but thanks for the pointer and I will look at it. |
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| 10:35.39 | nevyn | so the serial output from my arduino has (Temp 26.5 C)\n (Lux 254)\n |
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| 10:42.08 | tuxick | are there really people actually using konqueror? |
| 10:42.20 | nevyn | YES. |
| 10:42.27 | tuxick | amazing |
| 10:42.37 | tuxick | for reading html1 sites? |
| 10:42.37 | nevyn | <3's konq |
| 10:42.44 | nevyn | yes. |
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| 10:43.13 | tuxick | so for real web stuff you use firefox or chromium? |
| 10:43.26 | nevyn | mostly no. |
| 10:43.36 | nevyn | firefox pisses me off |
| 10:43.44 | nevyn | it's slow and it occasionally just hangs and crap. |
| 10:43.44 | javier_ | +1 |
| 10:43.47 | tuxick | at least it works |
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| 10:44.02 | tuxick | any site more advanced than plain old html simply fails on konq |
| 10:44.03 | devilsadvocate | nevyn, the message parsing is something you'll have to write anyway |
| 10:44.09 | nevyn | devilsadvocate: right. |
| 10:44.20 | javier_ | i use konqueror most of the time as well |
| 10:44.49 | tuxick | well me too, for sites where i know it won't fail |
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| 10:45.03 | tuxick | and firefox for all the more advanced stuff |
| 10:45.05 | devilsadvocate | tuxick, arora is nice |
| 10:45.35 | tuxick | working javascript? |
| 10:45.39 | javier_ | if khtml fails, I use konq/webkit, if it fails again -> ff |
| 10:45.45 | devilsadvocate | tuxick, hm. not sure |
| 10:46.01 | tuxick | javier_: well, that's why i'm slowly defaulting to ff |
| 10:46.20 | cb400f | "working javascript" == supported by google and facebook? |
| 10:46.28 | javier_ | tuxick: in my case, there a few sites that require me to do that |
| 10:46.31 | tuxick | cb400f: for example yes |
| 10:46.50 | voidprayer | a small problem with "pasteit" applet of kde 4.3.4: if no window is open, click on the pasteit entry will not put anything in the clipboard. |
| 10:47.01 | cb400f | of course they don't support arora either |
| 10:47.38 | tuxick | i know javascript is often trial&error crap |
| 10:47.59 | tuxick | but the failure rate on konqueror is dramatic |
| 10:48.48 | Bonster_ | how u get dolphin to display thumbnails for cbr/cbz files? |
| 10:49.08 | tuxick | just connected axis webcam, and i was totally not surprised it showed *nothing* on konq :) |
| 10:49.15 | cb400f | uses opera with FF as fallback and occassionally konq or rekonq.. but doesn't like konq being blamed for the web going down the drain |
| 10:49.27 | pht | how do i get rid of the mixer starting at each startup? i don't see it in autostart directory and i don't see it in the autostart settings of systemsettings. |
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| 10:50.25 | tuxick | cb400f: javascript has been around for quite a while :) |
| 10:51.48 | cb400f | and it worked fine in konq until everybody replaced all their desktop apps with crappy, nasty websites :-) |
| 10:51.54 | pinotree | tuxick: just like sites which send crap when they don't see "ie" or "firefox" in the user agent, yes |
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| 10:52.23 | tuxick | pinotree: heh, been a while since i last saw "you're not using IE so get lost" :) |
| 10:52.49 | pinotree | now it's with firefox |
| 10:53.51 | beyecixramd | true pinotree |
| 10:54.01 | beyecixramd | but at least firefox is multiplatform and FOSS |
| 10:54.09 | beyecixramd | and not firefox in fact, but Gecko |
| 10:54.57 | pht | yes and thus the web will be bound to the multiplatform firefox |
| 10:55.10 | tuxick | google is taking care of that ;p |
| 10:55.22 | pinotree | beyecixramd: default konqueror's user agent has "Gecko" in it, so it's crappy websites (or better, stupid web designers) explicitly looking for "firefox" |
| 10:55.32 | tuxick | well defined specs/tests for javascript would be nice |
| 10:55.33 | beyecixramd | since firefox passes very well the acid tests... there's not a single problem |
| 10:55.40 | beyecixramd | konqueror uses KHTML afaik |
| 10:55.47 | beyecixramd | but anyway, disable javascript |
| 10:55.51 | pinotree | acid is not a conformance test :) |
| 10:55.54 | tuxick | beyecixramd: my problem isn't rendering |
| 10:56.00 | beyecixramd | i've got noscript on my system, firefox |
| 10:56.10 | beyecixramd | your problem is XUL, tuxick? |
| 10:56.50 | pht | google as in GWT? last time i checked konqueror quite choked on it. |
| 10:56.51 | tuxick | no, it looks like it's mostly javascript failing miserably |
| 10:57.02 | beyecixramd | oic |
| 10:57.12 | tuxick | google wave doesn't work at all on konq |
| 10:57.24 | beyecixramd | neither Gmail does |
| 10:57.33 | tuxick | but afair it doesn't crash :) |
| 10:57.37 | Kolia | tuxick: well google wave often crashes on FF too anyway :p |
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| 10:57.45 | tuxick | really? |
| 10:57.51 | tuxick | not really using it much |
| 10:57.53 | beyecixramd | i don't like konqui anyway... firefox is more customizable, afaik |
| 10:57.57 | beyecixramd | and has more plugins, etc |
| 10:59.05 | pht | so, browsers aside, anyone has a clue about my question (about the mixer) or so? |
| 11:00.06 | pinotree | did you check the system autostart directories? like /usr/share/autostart and /etc/xdg/autostart |
| 11:00.17 | cb400f | too slow |
| 11:00.37 | cb400f | but why would anyone want to not have kmix? .. maybe you should just hide the systray icon? |
| 11:01.29 | pht | pinotree: no, and even if i find it there how do i remove it? (as an user) |
| 11:01.43 | cb400f | you don't :-) |
| 11:02.36 | pht | so the mixer startup is not an user controllable setting? |
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| 11:03.27 | cb400f | maybe it depends on distro packaging.. not sure |
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| 11:07.45 | Jucato | pht: does it still start even if you disable system tray volume control, etc. in Configure KMix? |
| 11:08.06 | pht | no it does not depend on distro |
| 11:08.09 | pht | install( FILES kmix_autostart.desktop DESTINATION ${AUTOSTART_INSTALL_DIR}) |
| 11:08.32 | pht | and it indeed slims itself into the system wide auto start, at least based on the line above |
| 11:08.43 | pht | Jucato: yes it will just start "maximized" |
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| 11:10.07 | Jucato | pht: even after unchecking the other options? |
| 11:10.24 | pht | what options? |
| 11:10.53 | Jucato | "Dock in system tray" and "Restore volumes on login"? |
| 11:14.31 | pht | Jucato: yes they are off. |
| 11:16.04 | pht | i'm filing a bug about this, end of discussion |
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| 11:18.40 | xTs | Hi. Whats the name of the program that manages the locking of the desktop? |
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| 11:19.30 | pht | xTs: kscreenlocker in the libexec directory. |
| 11:20.27 | xTs | Thanks! |
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| 11:35.57 | Waistless | hi, in Kate, i cant use templates because it keeps complaining that i havent set the information in kaddressbook, exactly where in it do i set this up? |
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