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| 00:01.02 | belak | So, mesa is the open source implimentation of opengl |
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| 00:01.47 | troy | belak: aye :) |
| 00:01.54 | belak | Ok |
| 00:01.58 | troy | belak: it's the software fallback when no hardware support is around |
| 00:02.11 | belak | Oh, ok |
| 00:02.23 | belak | So, kwin needs opengl |
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| 00:02.45 | troy | belak: no, it doesn't |
| 00:03.13 | troy | belak: you're hitting some sort of strange config where your X drivers cannot use XRender and OpenGL simultaneously, and it's getting confused |
| 00:03.29 | troy | belak: it runs quite nicely without opengl - I do it in virtualbox all the time |
| 00:03.38 | Jucato | you need decent hardware acceleration for any kind of compositing ("3d effects"). kwin can function quite well without 3d effects |
| 00:03.53 | troy | Jucato: he's trying to use the XRender fallback |
| 00:03.58 | troy | Jucato: but it's not giving him the option |
| 00:04.16 | Jucato | hm ... |
| 00:04.34 | troy | belak: from a terminal, type "xdpyinfo | grep RENDER" - does it print a line? |
| 00:05.08 | belak | Yes |
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| 00:07.12 | troy | what's the output xdpyinfo | grep GL (try not to spam us if it's huge) |
| 00:07.42 | belak | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.43 | belak | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.14 | troy | anything else? |
| 00:08.17 | belak | No |
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| 00:10.53 | troy | okay - so X is loading Mesa - you could turn GL off on the x server by forcing it in xorg.conf - but I haven't touched xorg.conf in ages |
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| 00:11.21 | Jucato | troy: XRender isn't even in the options in System Settings? |
| 00:11.26 | belak | It is |
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| 00:11.34 | Jucato | ah |
| 00:11.40 | belak | But when I enable it, kwin complains and says it's resetting the settings |
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| 00:11.51 | troy | Jucato: XRender is the fallback when GL doesn't work, but you have effects turned on |
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| 00:12.08 | troy | Jucato: it allows things like transparency to still function, but doesn't allow the more advanced GL effects |
| 00:12.18 | Jucato | troy: yep |
| 00:12.53 | Jucato | actually dunno if it falls back to XRender automatically ... maybe in 4.4? but before it falls back to no compositing for me :) |
| 00:14.35 | troy | Jucato: it should fall back to XRender, if it's working properly - it did that in 4.0 even |
| 00:15.22 | Jucato | then I guess my XRender never worked properly :D |
| 00:15.40 | troy | and I haven't tested it in years, by GL has always worked since pre-4.0 |
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| 00:15.51 | Jucato | (though strange, I remember being able to manually set it to use XRender and it worked properly, but never got a "fallback" scenario) |
| 00:16.18 | Jucato | GL has always worked ... nvidia drivers ... not so much :P |
| 00:17.17 | belak | Hm |
| 00:17.22 | belak | Moment of truth... |
| 00:17.27 | belak | brb |
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| 00:19.47 | belak | Nope |
| 00:19.49 | belak | Same error |
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| 00:21.03 | belak | Oh, well |
| 00:21.06 | belak | Thanks |
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| 00:24.16 | troy | alienBOB: hey, upgrade went smooth - is this intended for -current? or will current stick with 4.3? |
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| 00:56.48 | ghabit | How I can use .swf applications on kde? |
| 00:56.52 | ghabit | only konqueror? |
| 00:56.58 | ghabit | Or some swf player available? |
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| 01:58.17 | Roey | hi |
| 01:58.28 | Roey | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199430 <--- is this going to be fixed by tomorrow's release? |
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| 02:20.35 | troy | Roey: which bug is that? |
| 02:20.54 | sreich | troy: *wwhhhyyy*? :p |
| 02:21.10 | sreich | feels lonely now |
| 02:22.43 | Roey | windows sliding the wrong way. |
| 02:23.08 | Roey | troy: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199430 |
| 02:23.20 | Roey | that. There's only one bug there. It's the most specific I could ever make it. |
| 02:23.25 | Roey | troy: also, hi!! |
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| 02:25.05 | Roey | also, my Plasma panel crashed and I can't get it to come back. Desktop effects still work, though. |
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| 02:26.15 | troy | Roey: alt-f2->"plasma-desktop" |
| 02:26.32 | NaCl | hey troy |
| 02:26.44 | NaCl | know anything about the plasma folder view? |
| 02:26.53 | troy | NaCl: just enough to be dangerous |
| 02:27.05 | troy | Roey: well, it's taking the shortest distance, assuming infinite wrapping |
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| 02:27.19 | troy | Roey: it's because the effect borrows code from the cube, I'd assume |
| 02:27.35 | troy | Roey: in which case, it'd make sense to spin the minimum amount |
| 02:27.39 | thrice` | aseigo, are you about? I want to see your krunner patch, but websvn is near-dead to respond :> |
| 02:27.47 | troy | NaCl: what do you need? |
| 02:28.03 | NaCl | troy: aseigo (reportedly) has a patch for me to test, but he's like vanished. :P |
| 02:28.26 | NaCl | Like, the folder view has icons on it until I mess with xrandr and set up two screens. |
| 02:28.29 | NaCl | THen all icons are gone. |
| 02:28.37 | NaCl | Nor can you add any new icons |
| 02:28.48 | troy | NaCl: ah - he comes and goes like the wind - wait a bit :) |
| 02:28.56 | troy | NaCl: I certainly wouldn't be able to do anything to help :) |
| 02:29.01 | NaCl | has been waiting for a week. |
| 02:29.04 | NaCl | troy: very well. |
| 02:29.09 | troy | NaCl: but I will say that I don't have the same issue |
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| 02:29.11 | NaCl | Thanks anyway. |
| 02:29.36 | NaCl | troy: I set up one monitor first. Then i added another. |
| 02:29.59 | NaCl | I may displace my .kde4/ later |
| 02:30.00 | troy | NaCl: ah - so the icons are probably just being painted somewhere out of their frame - haven't seen that |
| 02:30.48 | NaCl | Yeah. To top it off, if I drag stuff to the desktop, it prompts me to copy if the file was already there, and does indeed make the copy. |
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| 02:31.03 | NaCl | And the icons do reappear if I deactivate the secondary screen |
| 02:31.31 | troy | weird |
| 02:32.02 | troy | I noticed that krandr got much improved on my system for 4.4, so hopefully it's 'just fixed'... |
| 02:32.19 | NaCl | This is in the 4.4 rc. |
| 02:32.40 | NaCl | It worked fine in 4.3. :/ |
| 02:32.43 | troy | NaCl: do you use xrandr or krandr - not that it likely makes a difference |
| 02:32.46 | troy | shrugs |
| 02:32.55 | troy | I'm exhausted |
| 02:32.59 | NaCl | I set the screens statically in xorg.conf |
| 02:33.18 | NaCl | should have gotten food three hours ago |
| 02:34.11 | sreich | sprinkles H2O on NaCl |
| 02:34.36 | NaCl | disolves |
| 02:35.14 | NaCl | yup. |
| 02:35.22 | NaCl | sreich: it's been done before. :P |
| 02:35.24 | sreich | sprinkles Na on. |
| 02:35.47 | aseigo | NaCl: ah, already commited to trunk and branch, actually |
| 02:35.48 | NaCl | on what? :P |
| 02:35.55 | sreich | NaCl: on you |
| 02:36.01 | sreich | well, the H2O, that is |
| 02:36.19 | NaCl | continues dissolving. |
| 02:36.31 | sreich | well, the Na would explode instantly |
| 02:36.43 | NaCl | IIRC it bursts into flames |
| 02:36.45 | thrice` | aseigo, do you have krunner_is_slow.patch too? |
| 02:36.57 | sreich | yeah, same thing really |
| 02:37.01 | NaCl | aseigo: Ah. Cool. I'll see if the bug is still there when 4.4 is released. |
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| 02:37.17 | NaCl | sreich: cesium *explodes*. :P |
| 02:37.26 | sreich | psht, same thing |
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| 02:37.33 | sreich | explode, implode, burst into flames :D |
| 02:37.58 | NaCl | aseigo: also, thanks. :) |
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| 03:18.33 | jillsmitt | hi |
| 03:23.22 | jillsmitt | In System Monitor -> System Load on Network History Graphic if i try to change Network History background or something, then System Monitor crashes |
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| 03:26.40 | hmmmm | hello, how would i change the background for Dolphin? |
| 03:30.44 | hmmmm | actually, here's a better question: how would i set the transparency like you see on all those KDE desktops |
| 03:30.58 | hmmmm | really i'd be OK with psuedotransparency, i'm not a big fan of the real deal |
| 03:31.11 | hmmmm | (this is without kde by the way, just dolphin by itself) |
| 03:31.31 | hmmmm | would i need any additional kde utilities to do this? can i just manually set a few lines in the config? |
| 03:31.37 | cleary | hmmmm: the window manager provides the transparency generally |
| 03:31.55 | cleary | in kde, that is kwin |
| 03:32.04 | sreich | konsole is the exception, I suppose |
| 03:32.11 | cleary | if you are not using kde, then it's likely you are not using kwin |
| 03:32.19 | hmmmm | i'm using fluxbox |
| 03:32.21 | sreich | and what transparency do you see on "all those KDE desktops"? |
| 03:32.31 | Jucato | sreich: konsole doesn't have fake transluceny anymore |
| 03:32.38 | hmmmm | you know, the ones where the file manager windows look like slabs of glass? |
| 03:32.41 | hmmmm | pretty leet |
| 03:32.51 | sreich | Jucato: so..it's real? |
| 03:32.58 | cleary | hmmmm: that's probably the folderview widget |
| 03:32.59 | Jucato | sreich: it's either real or none at all :) |
| 03:32.59 | cleary | sec |
| 03:33.00 | sreich | Jucato: done by WM or..? |
| 03:33.13 | hmmmm | alright. fluxbox only does transparency on the window borders (not the window itself) |
| 03:33.16 | Jucato | sreich: well, you need to have compositing enabled in kwin, yes |
| 03:33.19 | hmmmm | so i guess i'm not going to see that... |
| 03:33.32 | hmmmm | i suppose the next question is what utility i could use to set KDE themes? |
| 03:33.45 | sreich | system settings |
| 03:34.19 | cleary | hmmmm: is this what you mean: http://imagebin.ca/view/uPH-kMt.html ? |
| 03:34.28 | hmmmm | yeah, that |
| 03:34.55 | hmmmm | also here http://www.kubuntu.org/system/files/kde4_1_1.png |
| 03:35.00 | cleary | yep, folderview widget |
| 03:35.12 | hmmmm | that's slick :) |
| 03:35.23 | hmmmm | i don't think i can do that without getting kde in its entirity though |
| 03:35.24 | cleary | doesn't use it :P |
| 03:35.33 | hmmmm | i wish there was a kde-lite |
| 03:35.45 | sreich | hmmmm: blame your distro |
| 03:35.45 | cleary | in debian there's a kde-minimal metapackage |
| 03:35.54 | Jucato | you don't need "kde in its entirity" |
| 03:36.04 | cleary | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.04 | cleary | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.04 | cleary | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.05 | hmmmm | for the folderview widget? |
| 03:36.07 | sreich | Jucato: you do if you have a crappy distro ;-) |
| 03:36.08 | hmmmm | i'm pretty sure i would... |
| 03:36.17 | Jucato | sreich: or build from source :) |
| 03:36.25 | sreich | hmmmm: just for folderview? |
| 03:36.31 | sreich | hmmmm: do you have plasma installed? |
| 03:36.45 | cleary | will plasma run in a different DE? |
| 03:36.57 | sreich | no idea |
| 03:37.07 | Jucato | hmmmm: "kde in its entirity" includes kdegames, kdeedu, etc etc... so no, you don't need all of KDE |
| 03:37.12 | hmmmm | wha'ts plasma? |
| 03:37.16 | sreich | sighs |
| 03:37.17 | Jucato | unless, as sreich said, you have a crappy distro |
| 03:37.26 | Jucato | (that ships everything as a whole) |
| 03:37.28 | hmmmm | my distro is the best OS ever |
| 03:37.31 | thrice` | kubuntu? :> |
| 03:37.39 | hmmmm | freebsd 8 |
| 03:37.42 | Jucato | sreich: though I have yet to find a distro that has only one monolithic kde package :) |
| 03:38.08 | sreich | Jucato: some distros are very bad at splitting them up |
| 03:38.12 | sreich | only offering e.g. kdebase/apps |
| 03:38.18 | sreich | instead of subdirs |
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| 03:38.26 | Jucato | technically he only needs up to kdebase anyway |
| 03:38.28 | sreich | see also: crappy distro |
| 03:38.39 | sreich | Jucato: right |
| 03:38.43 | argonel | so when my panel vanishes for no apparent reason, what can i type in krunner to get it back? |
| 03:38.44 | Jucato | hmmmm: Plasma is the KDE workspace (the "desktop" plus the panel) |
| 03:38.45 | thrice` | what's wrong with offering kde as modules? |
| 03:38.49 | hmmmm | i see |
| 03:39.05 | hmmmm | i'm already using idesk for the "desktop" -- would it be worth it to get plasma? |
| 03:39.09 | sreich | argonel: your panel, or plasma? |
| 03:39.10 | hmmmm | and dump my beloved idesk? |
| 03:39.15 | cleary | is not understanding whether there's sarcasm there or not... |
| 03:39.24 | thrice` | argonel, "kbuildsycoca4 kquitapp plasma" |
| 03:39.26 | sreich | couldn't either |
| 03:39.30 | argonel | sreich: hmm, how do i tell if plasma left or not |
| 03:39.30 | sreich | thrice`: plasma-desktop |
| 03:39.46 | sreich | argonel: ctrl+esc, search for plasma-desktop |
| 03:39.54 | sreich | or just see if your desktop is blank |
| 03:39.56 | thrice` | eek, you're right |
| 03:39.56 | sreich | :D |
| 03:40.05 | sreich | 'plasma' bin was deprecated a while back |
| 03:40.12 | Jucato | loooong ago |
| 03:40.45 | argonel | excellent, it was plasma-desktop |
| 03:40.55 | argonel | now, what happened to the filesize view in konq? |
| 03:40.56 | sreich | no, it was plasma, it is plasma-desktop |
| 03:41.00 | sreich | :p |
| 03:41.11 | Jucato | argonel: konq-plugins (as in the past) |
| 03:41.16 | argonel | grr |
| 03:41.25 | Jucato | depending on your distro, it might be konqueror-plugins-foo |
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| 03:45.01 | argonel | silly debian |
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| 03:53.19 | argonel | ok, all is well again. apparently plasma-desktop doesn't like it when your home folder fills to the brim. thanks all :) |
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| 03:58.16 | Jucato | heh |
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| 05:25.01 | Zhenya | 'm coming across that dual monitor issue and realized that 4.4 should be released tomorrow which has the fixes in it. Is this still true? |
| 05:32.29 | hmmmm | :(!!! |
| 05:32.56 | hmmmm | hey guys, i just installed qt4-qtconfig, ran it, and it doesn't seem to have any bearing on the style used with dolphin |
| 05:33.03 | hmmmm | does dolphin use qt4 at all? |
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| 07:12.04 | linopolus | kde.org is well done :) |
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| 08:12.08 | buckfast | Hey |
| 08:12.17 | buckfast | I somehow managed to create split view in Konsole |
| 08:12.24 | buckfast | How do I switch back to normal view |
| 08:13.35 | Torch | buckfast: view -> split view -> close active |
| 08:14.50 | buckfast | Torch: Thanks! |
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| 08:15.37 | jaem | evenin'... Nice job to the folks that revamped the website - it looks shiny! |
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| 08:16.19 | jaem | in regards to that, there seem to be a fair number of small inconsistencies and spelling/grammar mistakes. Is there somewhere I can report those if I compile a list of a bunch at once? |
| 08:16.24 | jaem | ...or would that even be helpful? |
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| 08:19.06 | Torch | jaem: there's the kde-www mailing list |
| 08:19.45 | Torch | jaem: or #kde-www |
| 08:20.17 | alienBOB | troy: it will not go into -current... I think 4.3.5 will |
| 08:20.45 | jaem | Torch, okay, thanks - willdo :) |
| 08:21.03 | jaem | it does look awesome overall, though |
| 08:21.27 | jaem | the old website was well-done enough, but it wasn't exactly appealing |
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| 08:31.06 | jaem | hmm... so, how many hours until launch? |
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| 08:32.43 | alisonken1noc | looks like it already launched to me |
| 08:33.00 | alisonken1noc | but it's been a looong time since I looked at kde.org anyway |
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| 08:44.47 | silver_hook | Hullo. What's the difference between KGpg and Kleopatra? |
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| 09:49.00 | alienBOB | Hmmm apparently 4.4.0 has been released, but http://dot.kde.org/2010/02/09/kde-software-compilation-440-released is not linked to on the kde.org home page |
| 09:50.11 | jaem | it isn't showing on the Dot for me either |
| 09:50.14 | jaem | how do you figure? |
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| 09:56.53 | jaem | man, I love that Virtuoso makes Nepomuk/Strigi nice to use now |
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| 10:16.47 | einar77 | alienBOB: not released yet, some last minute critical fixes need to go in |
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| 10:18.20 | FeasibilityStudy | strigi/nepomuk a memory hog here..That normal? |
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| 10:20.40 | jaem | FeasibilityStudy, well, given it's nature, I doubt it's a featherweight, but I don't think it should be a "hog" |
| 10:20.43 | Half-Left | FeasibilityStudy: Define memory hogging? |
| 10:21.00 | jaem | I thought there were settings for that, though - or am I thinking of something else? |
| 10:21.03 | jaem | will check |
| 10:21.07 | FeasibilityStudy | like using 300 Megs of memory |
| 10:21.26 | Half-Left | Well, it shouldn't be using 300mb |
| 10:21.39 | jaem | FeasibilityStudy, System Settings->Desktop Search->Advanced Settings? |
| 10:21.58 | Half-Left | In 4.4 it has a cap of 50mb |
| 10:22.03 | FeasibilityStudy | right now it only using 100..But if I leave PC on a few days, it will hit 300 |
| 10:22.55 | Half-Left | What KDE version? |
| 10:23.00 | FeasibilityStudy | 4.3.4 |
| 10:23.07 | FeasibilityStudy | jaem, what is that supposed to do for me? |
| 10:23.08 | jaem | FeasibilityStudy, ah, that's old |
| 10:23.16 | jaem | FeasibilityStudy, I thought you meant 4.4 RC |
| 10:23.25 | jaem | there's a memory usage slider now |
| 10:23.35 | Half-Left | Well, it's not great in 4.4, virtuoso is much better |
| 10:23.36 | FeasibilityStudy | I had to fix the "java bug" to make strigi/soprano work |
| 10:23.39 | jaem | and yeah, IIRC sesame2 wasn't terribly RAM-friendly |
| 10:23.53 | jaem | but virtuoso is awesome, and I'm not even using v6 |
| 10:24.18 | jaem | I'd recommend that you upgrade and then decide if you need to complain ;) |
| 10:24.37 | FeasibilityStudy | I cant upgrade unless I want to add Ubuntu's experimental repos |
| 10:24.54 | FeasibilityStudy | I dont really like doing that. Heck, 4.3.4 is considered unstable still on Karmic |
| 10:25.17 | jaem | FeasibilityStudy, well, once 4.4 stable is in the kubuntu PPAs, it's not terribly risky, although obviously it isn't officially supported |
| 10:25.29 | Torch | FeasibilityStudy: it's unsupported, that's all. |
| 10:25.33 | jaem | that is the annoying thing about Kubuntu - they're almost completely out of phase with KDE |
| 10:25.57 | Torch | FeasibilityStudy: considerding they don't really fix stuff they "support" it doesn't matter that much. |
| 10:25.59 | FeasibilityStudy | jaem: where is the best place to get 4.4? |
| 10:26.27 | jaem | FeasibilityStudy, watch the kubuntu.org front news page for the announcement, and then add the appropriate PPA |
| 10:26.31 | Half-Left | 4.3* |
| 10:27.10 | jaem | it's been a while since I used Kubuntu much, so I can't guarantee that doing so will provide a smooth upgrade to Lucid, but it should work reasonably well on Karmic, I would assume |
| 10:27.24 | Half-Left | Try OpenSUSE for a real KDE supported distro :) |
| 10:27.55 | Half-Left | Or compile it, hehe |
| 10:27.55 | jaem | you may find that disabling the Backports repo makes things more happy, but I don't know if that will be an issue at release time |
| 10:28.06 | jaem | anyhow, this is a bit out of scope for #kde, I think |
| 10:28.12 | jaem | but that's the gist |
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| 10:31.19 | mokoloko | Loving the new kde.org <3 |
| 10:34.07 | FeasibilityStudy | How about Mandriva? |
| 10:34.25 | FeasibilityStudy | I prefer to stay away from OpenMicrosoft, I mean OpenSUSE ;) |
| 10:34.37 | Half-Left | haha |
| 10:34.39 | jaem | FeasibilityStudy, no idea about Mandriva - I haven't used it in a year or so |
| 10:35.19 | FeasibilityStudy | I used to run Gentoo, spending days compiling and tweaking every little thing, only to have an emerge -uDNav world bork my system.. |
| 10:35.30 | jaem | and disregarding your poke at OpenSuSE, it would probably be a cleaner mid-release upgrade, but I wouldn't personally recommend it (with all due respect to the team, it's not my preference) |
| 10:35.34 | FeasibilityStudy | so now I just stick with newb distros |
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| 10:36.18 | Half-Left | Nothing Microsoft about OpenSUSE, unless you like virtulization working better with Windows |
| 10:36.32 | jaem | Half-Left, probably not a debate we want to get into here |
| 10:36.33 | jaem | ... |
| 10:36.42 | jaem | although I agree with you |
| 10:36.47 | jaem | more or less |
| 10:36.48 | Half-Left | for sure |
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| 10:37.18 | Half-Left | But it's a good KDE distro, most will tell you that, which is the point |
| 10:38.43 | jaem | yeah, they do KDE well, but I don't like how they do KDE |
| 10:38.47 | jaem | if you catch my drift |
| 10:39.13 | jaem | they do a lot of good work, and technically speaking their KDE integration is superb, but it just doesn't feel right to me in terms of personal preference |
| 10:39.27 | FeasibilityStudy | Oh you mean you guys dont wanna have the mono debate? |
| 10:39.36 | Half-Left | Well, personalise it then :p |
| 10:39.37 | jaem | FeasibilityStudy, bwahahaha |
| 10:39.38 | jaem | NO |
| 10:40.32 | Half-Left | Well, mono isn't part of KDE anyway or part of the KDE version of OpenSUSE |
| 10:41.46 | jaem | Half-Left, there are Qt bindings for Mono, right? |
| 10:41.53 | jaem | ...not that anyone I've heard of actually uses them... |
| 10:42.06 | Half-Left | I think so yeah |
| 10:42.29 | jaem | "Qyoto", or some such? |
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| 10:42.51 | alienBOB | einar77: I have not seen any mention of critical fixes on the kde-packager mailing list. What should I be aware of? |
| 10:42.53 | Half-Left | not sure |
| 10:43.29 | Half-Left | I don't care for mono anyway but that's not to say people can't use the bindings |
| 10:44.21 | Half-Left | We might yet see people doing C# plasmoids |
| 10:44.49 | jaem | that would be neat |
| 10:45.07 | jaem | heck - C# is nice to code in, and it's "pretty" where C++ never will be (despite its utility) |
| 10:45.15 | einar77 | alienBOB: a tarball has been redone for a polkit issue, were you ware of that? |
| 10:45.30 | jaem | but until (unless?) it becomes more popular in Linux, it'll just be one more dependency to drag in |
| 10:45.37 | einar77 | plus this morning (an hour ago) a fix was made for a dbus connection leak in akonadi |
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| 10:46.48 | einar77 | alienBOB: actually, the fix is not a fix yet apparently, investigation is ongoing |
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| 10:49.14 | alienBOB | einar77: ah yes the polkit fix. Fortunately, Slackware does not ship polkit so we are not affected by this issue |
| 10:50.04 | alienBOB | einar77: the dbus issue was mentioned by troy yesterday, but I have not seen a mail from Dirk to inform of an updated tarball |
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| 10:51.42 | einar77 | alienBOB: the dbus issue is being worked on right now |
| 10:52.36 | alienBOB | ok |
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| 10:59.24 | FeasibilityStudy | ok upgrading to 4.4BETA now |
| 10:59.42 | Half-Left | ugh, beta |
| 10:59.46 | FeasibilityStudy | have quite a few packages being "held back" |
| 11:00.32 | einar77 | beta? |
| 11:00.38 | einar77 | we're about to have the final release :P |
| 11:00.41 | Half-Left | I wouldn't touch the beta if I was you. Try and get the RC or wait for the final version to be packaged |
| 11:00.41 | FeasibilityStudy | well I dont know if it's beta or what..it's the Kubuntu-beta-ppa |
| 11:00.59 | FeasibilityStudy | all the packages are 4:4.6 |
| 11:01.21 | FeasibilityStudy | or 4.3.95 |
| 11:01.34 | Half-Left | RC then |
| 11:01.41 | einar77 | Half-Left: the OBS is starting to build stuff, I can't wait :P |
| 11:01.42 | urkud | RC 2 |
| 11:02.09 | FeasibilityStudy | is it normal for some packages to be kept back, like: |
| 11:02.10 | Half-Left | einar77: final? |
| 11:02.12 | FeasibilityStudy | akregator digikam gwenview kaddressbook kde-window-manager kdebase-workspace-bin |
| 11:02.15 | jaem | FeasibilityStudy, oh, yikes |
| 11:02.18 | jaem | no, don't do that |
| 11:02.19 | FeasibilityStudy | for instance? thats just a few |
| 11:02.25 | jaem | ctrl+c! ctrl+c! |
| 11:02.33 | jaem | that will lead to Badness |
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| 11:02.36 | FeasibilityStudy | whats wrong with it |
| 11:02.51 | jaem | although you should probably bug the Kubuntu folks about this - I can hop over there to talk to you about it if you want |
| 11:03.02 | FeasibilityStudy | sure |
| 11:03.09 | einar77 | Half-Left: not sure, the first part of the fix for dbus connection leak just went in |
| 11:03.22 | Half-Left | oh nice :) |
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| 11:03.34 | jaem | FeasibilityStudy, see you in #kubuntu :) |
| 11:04.03 | Half-Left | einar77: Hopefullt it should be on the mirrors soon then, I switched to a mirror recently |
| 11:04.07 | Half-Left | hopefully* |
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| 11:09.18 | Bochi | Moin. in the latest kde 4.4 knotify shows the "Latest notifications" (not sure if its exactly the right name ... "Letzte Benachrichtigungen" in german) when there were notifications. But even for notifications that close automatically (ie. konversation, kopete contact online) it doesn't vanish but stays in the lower right corner until I close it manually. Is there any way to get rid of it? |
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| 11:13.24 | Half-Left | Bochi: Look in the system tray settings under autohide |
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| 11:14.17 | Bochi | Half-Left: right, but that has the nasty side effect that even "new message" notifications from kopete get hidden automatically (the active notifications with buttons - I want these to stay) |
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| 11:15.00 | Bochi | that's the behavior I have in KDE since ages ... Keep the "active" notifications visible until I respond, and make the less important ones (passive notifications) go away after a few secs |
| 11:15.05 | Half-Left | Bochi: It has a history now, you don't need to close them |
| 11:15.54 | Jucato | Bochi: it's "Recent notifications". it's basically a history of notifications you might have missed, which includes even those from Konvi, etc. if you want to close them all, you can click on the X at the right of the "Recent notifications" title |
| 11:16.42 | Bochi | Jucato: yeah right - but ... if you get lots of notifications (ie. many contacts in kopete that go online and offline) you have to click the x like every 20 seconds |
| 11:16.49 | Bochi | and I find it pretty annoying |
| 11:17.17 | Half-Left | Well don't close them then, you don't actually need to |
| 11:18.02 | Bochi | but then I have the "Latest notifications" thingie sitting there all the time |
| 11:18.05 | Bochi | sighs |
| 11:18.12 | Jucato | sitting there? |
| 11:18.30 | Bochi | yeah, it is always shown |
| 11:18.35 | Bochi | always visible until I close it |
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| 11:19.01 | Half-Left | On the actual desktop? |
| 11:19.04 | Bochi | I close it .. then a contact goes online, its back until I close it, konvi notifications comes, its back until I close it |
| 11:19.28 | Jucato | don't close it. it just autohides after a few seconds |
| 11:19.28 | Bochi | Half-Left: well yes, kind of, its above the system tray |
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| 11:19.38 | Bochi | Jucato: that's my point. It does not :-( |
| 11:19.50 | Bochi | it stays there even for hours |
| 11:19.53 | Half-Left | Well, it shouldn't do that, it should hide after a few seconds |
| 11:20.03 | Half-Left | as Jucato said |
| 11:20.04 | Jucato | then there's something definitely wrong there |
| 11:20.22 | Bochi | I guess that is because I have not set the "Auto-Hide" option for knotify. But there is a good reason for that |
| 11:20.36 | Bochi | if this option is set, it will not only hide passive notifications but also active ones |
| 11:20.56 | Bochi | ie. new message in kopete (these are the ones I don't want to hide automatically, since I have to respond) |
| 11:21.13 | Half-Left | Then click the tray icon to see the active one |
| 11:22.41 | Bochi | I realize this is an option, yes, yet even if the tray icon is flashing it's not as good as having the notification. If often miss the flashing tray and thus miss messages. I wonder why this was changed. It was the same behavior since kde3 with active notifications. |
| 11:23.02 | Bochi | IMHO the auto-hide functions should differenciate between active and passive notifications.... Or at least make it optional to do so |
| 11:23.41 | Bochi | when you are used to a specific behavior of your desktop for years it's hard to change that :-) Esp. if its for an app that you use a lot (for work) |
| 11:24.07 | Bochi | and we have an internal IM system in our company so I am using it pretty much all the time |
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| 11:26.57 | Half-Left | Well, it's easy to miss messages sometimes anyway but at least you have a history of them to look back on |
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| 11:27.33 | zarath | hi |
| 11:28.49 | Bochi | Half-Left: yeah right, but well... It's "Instant Messaging" because its supposed to be .. instant :D So I hate missing messages. Anyway, I guess I'll just file a feature request and discuss with the devs this way.. :) |
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| 11:28.53 | Bochi | thanks for your help anyway |
| 11:30.42 | Half-Left | Well, maybe devs will add a billion notification features for the systemtray one day :p |
| 11:32.01 | Half-Left | Bochi: Ask in #plasma about that, changes are already in trunk with the notifications |
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| 11:32.35 | Half-Left | But 4.5 is a long way off if you want stable :) |
| 11:33.01 | VanessaE | good morning all. Question: KDE4 apps (at least, kwrite and Kate) are printing with jagged-looking fonts (like anti-aliasing is being turned off), but they look fine on screen, and the header/footer on the printed pages are also fine. |
| 11:33.12 | VanessaE | Google has been of no help... How do I solve this? |
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| 11:35.29 | kaeser | dolphin can't handle acentuation |
| 11:35.51 | kaeser | I have a directory "Matemática" and it's messed up |
| 11:36.09 | kaeser | I can enter inside with dolphin |
| 11:36.25 | kaeser | And I can't rename... (directory doesn't exists) |
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| 11:38.13 | einar77 | kaeser: the name is in UTF-8? |
| 11:38.32 | kaeser | I don't know |
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| 11:43.05 | kaeser | I think when we start trolling we get answered faster |
| 11:43.08 | kaeser | let me try |
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| 11:43.28 | kaeser | gnome handles it better I don't get thi problem with it |
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| 11:44.18 | kaeser | when I changed to kde the problem came |
| 11:44.24 | kaeser | I blame kde for this |
| 11:44.32 | pinotree | then go back to gnome :) |
| 11:44.47 | kaeser | pinotree, too late, kde messed it up |
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| 11:45.19 | pinotree | reinstall then |
| 11:46.43 | urkud | I had a simmilar problem after unpacking zip-archive with cyrillic names in wrong charset. I had to use mv *.txt a.txt to fix it. |
| 11:47.22 | kaeser | they don't give a shit since they don't use language support. damn devs |
| 11:47.24 | urkud | I think that the problem appears if filename is incorrect UTF-8 string (running UTF-8 locale). |
| 11:49.07 | VanessaE | no clues on my odd issue I guess. |
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| 11:57.04 | zarath | I have a question regarding KConfigGroup::readEntry and expanding of configuration options if an boolean default is given |
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| 11:59.45 | zarath | how is it possible to evaluate to a false value? |
| 12:00.18 | pinotree | ? |
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| 12:01.40 | zarath | pinotree: look at bug # 225255 |
| 12:01.51 | zarath | comment #8 |
| 12:03.00 | zarath | one can make a desktop entry like test=false > readEntry("test", false) => false |
| 12:03.49 | zarath | but if you make an entry like test[$e]=$false and export false="false" |
| 12:04.52 | zarath | readEntry("test", false) => true |
| 12:05.11 | zarath | unset false |
| 12:05.16 | zarath | readEntry("test", false) => true |
| 12:05.18 | zarath | readEntry("test", false) => true |
| 12:06.08 | zarath | the problem is that KDesktopFile::noDisplay uses readEntry in that manner |
| 12:06.55 | zarath | and so it seems impossible to use config files expand feature for that entry |
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| 12:37.09 | The_ManU_212 | hi |
| 12:37.32 | The_ManU_212 | is it possible that thunar can dispaly icons like fodlers and files udner dke? |
| 12:38.42 | Jucato | thunar, not being a KDE (or even Qt) app, will have its own settings. |
| 12:38.52 | Half-Left | You mean can it use the KDE oxygen icon set? |
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| 12:39.17 | Jucato | or that :) |
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| 12:41.49 | BelaLugosi | Whats the thing with 4.4? Is it released today? cant find any release information... |
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| 12:42.42 | shevy | 4.4.0 seems to be on since some days ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.4.0/src/ |
| 12:43.24 | tertitten | BelaLugosi: kdebase seems to have been released according to distrowatch... can't find any information though |
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| 12:44.05 | Torch | it's not released until the release team say so. |
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| 12:44.53 | BelaLugosi | Torch: thought so. do you have any (insider ;) ) information? |
| 12:45.20 | Torch | BelaLugosi: no. a last minute fix was necessary for kdelibs. that is public information, though. |
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| 12:46.50 | BelaLugosi | Torch: ok, thanks. |
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| 13:15.00 | puchu | hi |
| 13:15.05 | puchu | i installed kde 4.4 |
| 13:15.12 | puchu | but akonadiserver refuses to start |
| 13:15.18 | puchu | and therefor i cant use kmail |
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| 13:15.27 | puchu | is there a way to fix this? |
| 13:15.38 | pinotree | 4.4 from where? |
| 13:15.42 | puchu | source |
| 13:15.47 | pinotree | which? |
| 13:15.56 | puchu | which? |
| 13:16.08 | pinotree | which sources? |
| 13:16.15 | puchu | pinotree: the ones on the servers |
| 13:16.33 | puchu | or isnt it released by now and the ebuilds hat debugging sources? |
| 13:16.40 | puchu | hat=had |
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| 13:16.44 | Kunalagon | does somebody know if latest k3b alpha supports blu ray burning ? |
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| 13:16.57 | pinotree | it isn't released yet, and the gentoo guys should stop playing with unreleased sources |
| 13:17.18 | puchu | thats the problem |
| 13:17.20 | puchu | :( |
| 13:17.31 | Half-Left | puchu: Applications don't need akonadi to start, they can work without it running |
| 13:17.47 | puchu | on gentoo it seems it needs it |
| 13:17.48 | pinotree | then why you use those sources, if you know that? |
| 13:17.57 | pinotree | be patient like everybody else |
| 13:18.00 | puchu | pinotree: i didnt know |
| 13:18.15 | puchu | i thought it was already released |
| 13:18.19 | pinotree | no |
| 13:18.39 | pinotree | look at out home page: if it is annouced there, then it is released |
| 13:19.21 | puchu | pinotree okay |
| 13:19.46 | puchu | pinotree hours of compiling worth nothing :( |
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| 13:21.46 | GNU\colossus | puchu: who knows, maybe the tarball won't change after it's officially out ;) |
| 13:22.03 | pinotree | or they will |
| 13:22.06 | puchu | GNU\colossus yeah .. then this bug will be in the office release ... nice ;) |
| 13:22.09 | pinotree | actually, they will |
| 13:23.08 | puchu | pinotree good to hear |
| 13:23.26 | puchu | but except this one bug it really looks nice |
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| 13:56.35 | monty_hall | How can I grep a directory in dolphin? |
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| 13:59.03 | urkud | Open terminal and grep -ir ;) |
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| 14:00.02 | urkud | Do you want to grep filenames or file contents? |
| 14:00.42 | urkud | And do you want to search for regexp, or just whole words? |
| 14:01.01 | Jucato | you can also press Ctrl+F, which launches KFind (which is like a combo of find + grep) |
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| 14:02.26 | urkud | And if you need only whole words, you can press on "search" in the upper right corner (KDE-4.4). |
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| 14:03.07 | urkud | You need nepomuk&strigi for this^^ |
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| 14:05.00 | alienBOB | Building the new 4.4 yet oneforall? |
| 14:05.50 | oneforall | on it now |
| 14:05.53 | oneforall | :) |
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| 14:06.07 | monty_hall | urkud: grep contents |
| 14:06.30 | The_ManU_212 | i use slackware with kde 4.2 and wnated to change my kdm theme, i can't because of this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165268 can u help to get it working? |
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| 14:06.35 | monty_hall | sorry hold on, I'm reading the rest of my history... |
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| 14:08.08 | oneforall | you? |
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| 14:08.59 | monty_hall | thanks all |
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| 14:09.32 | oneforall | blah I forgot to ad sed again to fix the Home.desktop to get rid of the no display |
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| 14:10.16 | pinotree | KDE Software Compilation 4.4.0 released! http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.4/ |
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| 14:10.22 | *** mode/#kde [+o pinotree] by ChanServ |
| 14:10.31 | *** topic/#kde by pinotree -> KDE SC 4.4 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://pastebin.ca | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 |
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| 14:13.05 | jaem | Woot! Congratulations to the whole KDE Community! I'm looking forward to the package roll-out! |
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| 14:13.18 | jaem | rings in the new release with imaginary bells! |
| 14:14.29 | BelaLugosi | http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.4/ -- links broken |
| 14:14.57 | The_ManU_212 | how can i use acl with konqeror? |
| 14:15.52 | pinotree | The_ManU_212: right click on a file/directory → properties → permissions → advanced permissions |
| 14:16.24 | The_ManU_212 | pinotree: ok, and how can i set the permissions, that a user can modify files, but not delete files? |
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| 14:17.14 | pinotree | hm, not soure about that |
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| 14:19.31 | The_ManU_212 | pinotree: or isnt this possible? |
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| 14:21.32 | kriko | wow nice site! |
| 14:21.37 | kriko | and I like the visual guides |
| 14:24.19 | Jucato | The_ManU_212: being able to delete files is an effect of the directory's write/modify permission. if the directory where the file is located is unwriteable (-w permission), you can't delete, move, or rename the file. unfortunately it's not a per file setting (that is, any file in that directory can't be deleted, not just the file you want to protect) |
| 14:25.27 | jospoortvliet | hi all!!! |
| 14:25.28 | jospoortvliet | If any of you want to help out promoting the latest release of the KDE software compilation, it'd be greatly appreciated! |
| 14:25.30 | jospoortvliet | Here is the announcement on the dot: http://dot.kde.org/2010/02/09/kde-software-compilation-440-released |
| 14:25.31 | jospoortvliet | Feel free to comment ;-) |
| 14:25.33 | jospoortvliet | blog, tweet, dent, and help us dig and reddit: |
| 14:25.34 | jospoortvliet | http://digg.com/linux_unix/KDE_Software_Compilation_4_4_0_Introduces_new_innovations |
| 14:25.36 | jospoortvliet | http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/azx29/kde_software_compilation_440_introduces_netbook/ |
| 14:25.37 | jospoortvliet | The more the merrier and thanks in advance for helping us out :D |
| 14:25.39 | jospoortvliet | screenshots and more can be found on flickr and youtube, tagged KDE44 - feel free to add to the stream! |
| 14:25.40 | jospoortvliet | If you want to follow what is going on live, visit http://buzz.kde.org |
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| 14:27.32 | The_ManU_212 | Jucato: pinotree is it possible, that my probm is solved with the "sticky bit"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit |
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| 14:27.47 | Jucato | jospoortvliet: speaking of which, I hope there are plans to include links to buzz.kde.org, dot.kde.org, and planetkde.org in the new site :P |
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| 14:30.04 | Jucato | The_ManU_212: not sure, but from that link ... "the Linux ignores the sticky bit in files", so I'd say no |
| 14:32.20 | jospoortvliet | planet.kde.org and the dot are there |
| 14:32.23 | jospoortvliet | of course |
| 14:32.27 | jospoortvliet | buzz isn't, I know. |
| 14:33.33 | Jucato | jospoortvliet: where? |
| 14:34.18 | jaem | jospoortvliet, I did like the Planet integration |
| 14:34.27 | jaem | Jucato, Planet is at the bottom right |
| 14:34.37 | alienBOB | jospoortvliet: OK: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/its-been-released-kde-sc-4-4-0/ |
| 14:34.40 | jaem | above the forum feed |
| 14:34.45 | Jucato | ah |
| 14:34.49 | jaem | and below the Dot feed |
| 14:34.56 | Jucato | was expecting it would also be in the menus :) |
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| 14:35.21 | Jucato | (like the forums is) |
| 14:35.26 | jaem | yeah, making a more explicit link might be good |
| 14:35.32 | jaem | maybe poke #kde-www? |
| 14:35.35 | jospoortvliet | alienBOB: thank you! |
| 14:35.45 | jaem | Jucato, I'm heading to bed, so I'll let you bug them |
| 14:35.51 | jospoortvliet | jaem: not a bad idea but they're crazy busy ;-) |
| 14:36.04 | alienBOB | :-) by the way I won't be making it to Culemborg for the release party on friday jospoortvliet |
| 14:36.09 | jaem | jospoortvliet, yeah, I got that impression from the mad scrollback I missed ;) |
| 14:36.14 | jospoortvliet | alienBOB: noooooh wtf |
| 14:36.14 | Jucato | jaem: I think poking jospoortvliet was enough :) |
| 14:36.16 | jaem | good work |
| 14:36.21 | jaem | Jucato, good point |
| 14:36.24 | TheGroove | Ooh, slackware packages. |
| 14:36.26 | TheGroove | grabs |
| 14:36.28 | jaem | but it was an implicit poke |
| 14:36.40 | alienBOB | TheGroove: give me a minute to finish compiling the updated kdelibs |
| 14:36.50 | jospoortvliet | Jucato: I would certainly mention it on kde-www, I'm too busy right now to relay stuff ;-) |
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| 14:36.55 | jaem | TheGroove, so they weren't slacking off? hahaha..ha......,..ha.............. sorry, you must get that a lot |
| 14:36.59 | alienBOB | jospoortvliet: I had forgotten that it is carnaval this weekend... I'll be unavailable |
| 14:37.02 | TheGroove | alienBOB: ah ok, just bumped into a 404. |
| 14:37.18 | jospoortvliet | alienBOB: come on je kunt bij ons indrinken ;-) |
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| 14:37.24 | Jucato | jospoortvliet: heh ok. I'll let the dust settle down first ... and wait for people to get sober/un-intoxicated :) |
| 14:37.24 | TheGroove | jaem: yeah, it was the running gag of 1987 ;) |
| 14:37.30 | jospoortvliet | en een drakepak is erg stoer :D |
| 14:37.37 | jaem | TheGroove, so still funny, right? ;) |
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| 14:37.39 | jospoortvliet | Jucato: good call |
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| 14:38.02 | jaem | wait, 1987? Wasn't that when dependency resolution was invented? ;) |
| 14:38.19 | jaem | just kidding |
| 14:38.33 | TheGroove | Yes, and now, 23 years later, Linux still isn't ready for the desktop! |
| 14:38.39 | TheGroove | I'm blaming dep resolution. |
| 14:38.42 | jaem | TheGroove, of course it is! |
| 14:38.49 | jaem | it's been ready every year |
| 14:38.54 | jaem | individually... |
| 14:38.56 | jaem | ...somehow |
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| 14:39.37 | TheGroove | jaem: I know, I've been using some people's WIndows machines lately and all I could think was "So this is supposed to be ready for the desktop?" |
| 14:39.45 | brain0 | Hello. I found a critical (for me) regression in kio_sftp in KDE 4.4: when connecting to a server, I get: "kex error: did not find one of the algos aes256-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes128-cbc,blowfish-cbc,3des-cbc in list aes256-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes128-ctr for encryption client->server". The second list is the list of allowed ciphers on the server (especially, the server disallows usage of the -cbc ciphers). The first list ... no idea where that comes from, I di |
| 14:39.50 | TheGroove | The Linux desktop is fine, IMO. |
| 14:40.16 | jaem | touche |
| 14:40.29 | brain0 | strings kio_sftp.so | grep aes and similar reveals nothing, so they come from somewhere else |
| 14:40.39 | brain0 | also fish:// seems to connect fine, but fish sucks compared to sftp |
| 14:40.45 | TheGroove | The only thing in the way of widespread adoption is market share and practices of some companies, as well as certain software people are locked into. |
| 14:41.54 | thiago_home | brain0: it comes from ssh |
| 14:42.14 | brain0 | thiago_home: so ... why does ssh restrict me to this weird cipher list? |
| 14:42.22 | thiago_home | brain0: I don't know |
| 14:42.32 | brain0 | my settings clearly indicate that only aes256-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes128-ctr are allowed |
| 14:42.38 | brain0 | (both client and server) |
| 14:42.48 | brain0 | so kio_sftp overrides them somewhere |
| 14:42.55 | brain0 | I need to know where so I can fix this ASAP! |
| 14:43.15 | thiago_home | I don't think it overrides |
| 14:43.25 | brain0 | and why do you think that? |
| 14:43.42 | thiago_home | because there's no code in it to override |
| 14:44.06 | brain0 | ssh from the command line works, scp works, sftp works, kio_fish works, only kio_sftp fails |
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| 14:45.47 | brain0 | and kio_sftp worked in 4.3.whatever |
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| 14:49.31 | thiago_home | could be change 1045269 |
| 14:49.38 | thiago_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.38 | thiago_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.39 | thiago_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.19 | thiago_home | could also be the previous change, which migrated to libssh 4.0 |
| 14:50.25 | thiago_home | 0.4.0 I mean |
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| 14:50.57 | Raydiation | wohoo, 4.4 out |
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| 14:53.38 | jaem|away | hmm... a Plasma crash in the RC2 build for Kubuntu just kicked my XChat systray icon into a window |
| 14:53.41 | jaem|away | that shouldn't happen |
| 14:53.43 | jaem|away | :/ |
| 14:54.05 | egns | it seems to happen with gtk applications |
| 14:54.09 | jaem|away | egns, ah |
| 14:54.10 | jaem|away | lame |
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| 14:54.13 | egns | get kvirc, konvo, quassel, or something better. |
| 14:54.20 | jaem|away | is there any way to get the systray to adopt it again? |
| 14:54.25 | brain0 | thiago_home: I have a Ciphers setting in .ssh/config, but it is inside a "Host" block that doesn't match the hostname |
| 14:54.35 | brain0 | thiago_home: and the ciphers listed there do not match the ones I see |
| 14:54.43 | jaem|away | egns, yeah, I probably should - I haven't tried KVIRC, or Konversation for KDE4, but I've been meaning to |
| 14:54.50 | jaem|away | I mainly use XChat out of habit :P |
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| 14:55.09 | egns | ic |
| 14:55.18 | jaem|away | s/KDE/KDE SC/ |
| 14:55.19 | jaem|away | oops |
| 14:55.19 | brain0 | thiago_home: I commented them out and it still fails |
| 14:56.00 | brain0 | thiago_home: deleted the file and it still fails |
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| 14:57.22 | anoneemouse | hi. Im using kde 4.3. I loaded the newspaper activity and now my desktop is stuck on it. The cashew is gone so I cant zoom out and there is no rght click menu to change it back. help? |
| 14:57.40 | oneforall | hmm konq/dolphin fish worsk for me but not sftp |
| 14:57.59 | oneforall | dolphin it doesn nothing , konq I get the no protocal |
| 14:58.04 | anoneemouse | kde 4.3.3 |
| 14:58.12 | brain0 | thiago_home: O M G - sftp was switched to use libssh - libssh lacks the necessary ciphers |
| 14:58.22 | brain0 | thiago_home: this is complete crap |
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| 14:58.35 | brain0 | it especially means that I cannot use sftp:// any more |
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| 15:00.10 | GNU\colossus | brain0: well, why not complain to the libssh folks then? :) |
| 15:00.23 | anoneemouse | Should I ask in #plasma? |
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| 15:01.44 | brain0 | GNU\colossus: because it is a regression in KDE |
| 15:01.54 | brain0 | GNU\colossus: KDE used to work with this, now it doesn't |
| 15:02.13 | brain0 | if you are going to switch what you are doing, you better check there are no regressions |
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| 15:02.51 | GNU\colossus | brain0: using libssh is a far more clean approach than relying on some third party binary and exec()-magic |
| 15:03.03 | GNU\colossus | I appreciate the effort, although I didn't know about it until just now |
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| 15:04.32 | Sho_ | had quite a few stability problems with the old kio_sftp and has been much happier with the libssh-based one |
| 15:04.34 | brain0 | GNU\colossus: then something should be used that isn't complete crap like libssh :) |
| 15:04.36 | zegenie | egns /jaem|away: the systray icon thing also happens for wine systray icons, basically anything that doesn't implement the new systray protocol ;) |
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| 15:04.56 | egns | yep |
| 15:04.59 | egns | with wine happens to |
| 15:05.01 | egns | o |
| 15:05.09 | egns | too sad for Spotify :-( |
| 15:05.23 | GNU\colossus | brain0: well, there's loads of apps out there that use it. so you better live with it. |
| 15:05.28 | zegenie | so while switching from xchat to kvirc/quassel/konv is good but doesn't work for ex spotify ;) |
| 15:05.32 | zegenie | haha, beat me to it ;) |
| 15:05.43 | brain0 | (random fun fact: the brute force attackers that annoy the internet use scripts/tools based on libssh, thus you could render all their attacks ineffective by only allowing -ctr ciphers) |
| 15:05.59 | brain0 | GNU\colossus: I will not live with it. I will file a bug and complain and bitch about it until it is fixed :) |
| 15:06.13 | Sho_ | brain0: how about you code and code until it is fixed instead? |
| 15:06.26 | brain0 | I am not familiar with this particular topic |
| 15:06.29 | Sho_ | if you know better, put your code where your mouth is |
| 15:06.52 | brain0 | but now that I found out what the problem is, I will be able to file an appropriate bug report with less bitching language than I have just included in this channel |
| 15:06.54 | zegenie | Sho_: so no users can complain about broken functionality unless they're able to fix it themselves? |
| 15:07.04 | zegenie | that's a shitty attitude |
| 15:07.26 | pinotree | Sho_: there's a difference between reporting an issue and bitching over it |
| 15:07.30 | pinotree | err, zegenie ↑ |
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| 15:08.12 | zegenie | pinotree: It's all relative though - "bitching about it" can mean either being a total ass and bitch and moan, or "politely" remind the developers regularly ;) |
| 15:08.31 | zegenie | if the feature is important to you, you better bring it up regularly if it doesn't get fixed |
| 15:08.34 | pinotree | zegenie: "politely remind" is not bitching, it is "politely remind" |
| 15:08.36 | Sho_ | zegenie: no, of course not - reporting bugs is fine. but "I will file a bug and complain and bitch about it until it is fixed" says he wants to pour considerable long-term energy into it that could be applied more constructively :-) |
| 15:08.56 | zegenie | pinotree: yes, we all have different terminology |
| 15:08.58 | brain0 | Sho_: you don't have to take this sentence seriously |
| 15:09.07 | brain0 | I was exaggerating |
| 15:09.08 | Sho_ | zegenie: and if he feels qualified to call libssh "complete crap" that seems to say he knows what he's talking about (and thus might be able to fix it himself) |
| 15:09.12 | zegenie | I have a co-worker that would say the same thing, but he's constanly exaggerating |
| 15:09.31 | zegenie | it's just the way he talks |
| 15:09.58 | brain0 | Sho_: security problems with the -cbc ciphers have been reported by crypto experts about a year ago. It doesn't speak for the libssh team if they still have not implemented the -ctr ciphers |
| 15:10.11 | zegenie | Sho_: it doesn't take much energy to regularly post comments and updates to a bug report - not everyone has the time nor energy nor ability to start learning how to code C++ |
| 15:10.47 | zegenie | it's the attitude of "if you want it fixed, you better shut up after filing the report or go fix it yourself" that was what I reacted to |
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| 15:11.29 | zegenie | I don't see how that is constructive at all, and the whole tone sounds very top-down-attitudish |
| 15:11.42 | Sho_ | fwiw, the libssh switch was done because the old kioslave had bitrotted over lack of maintenance and become very unstable and unreliable. someone with the intent to port it to libssh and maintain it came along, which moves more of the maintenance burden to libssh, and has indeed also resolved a lot of the stability problems users have encountered. |
| 15:12.00 | zegenie | sounds like a good decision, then |
| 15:12.00 | pinotree | zegenie: if all you can say about something you don't have the slightest idea about is just bitching and defining "crap", then yes, you better shut up |
| 15:12.04 | brain0 | I am sorry that I started this discussion, I was obviously exaggerating and being a bit too direct. It gets people's attention, but it also pisses them off. |
| 15:12.05 | Sho_ | it may not be perfect yet, but personally I still think it's a net win |
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| 15:12.40 | brain0 | Sho_: it would be a win if all features of the old version would still be available |
| 15:12.47 | zegenie | Sho_: absolutely, but if it breaks features that used to work, people that are using KDE are very well entitled to complain about the fact that it now doesn't work anymore |
| 15:12.50 | brain0 | Sho_: but I agree that this is a good idea in principle |
| 15:13.42 | Sho_ | zegenie: yes, I agree that reporting a regression is fair game, of course |
| 15:13.42 | TheGroove | Ooh, a netbook interface. Now I'm going to have to get a netbook. |
| 15:14.13 | zegenie | Sho_: cool, I just don't get the whole "if you can't do anything about it yourself, you're not entitled to complain about it" attitude |
| 15:14.14 | Sho_ | zegenie: I didn't mean to suggest "code or shut up" :) |
| 15:14.27 | zegenie | you might not have meant it that way, so if I misunderstood it, please shut me up ;) |
| 15:14.43 | brain0 | zegenie: it was fair enough, he responded to my temporarily bad attitude with equally bad attitude |
| 15:14.53 | Sho_ | zegenie: It was more like: Since he sounded knowledgable about the subject it might be better to invest the energy into a fix vs. complaining |
| 15:15.11 | zegenie | brain0: flamewar 101 ;) "respond to bad attitude with bad attitude" :) |
| 15:15.22 | zegenie | Sho_: cool, I misunderstood it then |
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| 15:20.33 | oneforall | iirc no protocal then thats means for konq the fstp part never got compiled ? |
| 15:20.54 | icwiener | Is it possible that KDE 4.4 depends on a newer version of polkit as of today? |
| 15:21.40 | einar77 | icwiener: no, 4.4 works both with 0.9 and that other one |
| 15:21.45 | einar77 | IIRC |
| 15:21.51 | pinotree | oneforall: you need libssh >= 0.4 for kio_sftp |
| 15:22.04 | icwiener | einar77: Hmm, cmake complains. |
| 15:22.04 | pinotree | just like the cmake output says :) |
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| 15:22.28 | einar77 | icwiener: I know a fix went in today for some critical issue, but that's the most I know |
| 15:22.34 | icwiener | einar77: It wants >=0.95. |
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| 15:22.43 | icwiener | einar77: Ah, I see. Thanks. |
| 15:22.51 | oneforall | ah a new lib ok thanks will get that |
| 15:23.13 | brain0 | well, thank you all for pointing me to the right places again |
| 15:23.34 | brain0 | all reported: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226033 http://dev.libssh.org/ticket/55 |
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| 15:25.44 | brain0 | gtg back to work |
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| 15:33.35 | icwiener | einar77: Removing the CMakeCache.txt files from the build dir fixed the problem. :) |
| 15:34.02 | einar77 | icwiener: 4.5 will require polkit-qt-1, but not 4.4, that's why it sounded strange at first |
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| 15:37.21 | jospoortvliet | hey everyone who has NOT dug the new release yet, help out! http://digg.com/linux_unix/KDE_Software_Compilation_4_4_0_Introduces_new_innovations and reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/azx29/kde_software_compilation_440_introduces_netbook/ |
| 15:37.24 | jospoortvliet | ;-) |
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| 15:49.15 | henshaw | I see what's probably a memory leak in kio_http: 225657 |
| 15:49.26 | henshaw | any ideas on how to go further? |
| 15:49.32 | jeffto | Hi, I've fixed the error, I've to add backup on /etc/host of de clients to resolve that url and done :) |
| 15:49.36 | jeffto | thanks |
| 15:49.38 | jeffto | bye |
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| 15:52.49 | zegenie | henshaw: one idea would be to file a report at bugs.kde.org |
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| 15:53.20 | henshaw | bug 225657 |
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| 15:56.23 | TheGroove | Can I run 4.4 without Akonadi or do I finally have to fix it? |
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| 15:56.52 | cb400f | guess that depends on whether you use kaddressbook etc. |
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| 15:57.01 | TheGroove | I don't, I do use kmail. |
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| 15:57.06 | henshaw | there should be an irc command to find the bots on a channel and ask them how to ask them to print a bko url |
| 15:57.17 | TheGroove | Do I need it for that? |
| 15:57.54 | cb400f | not yet.. at least not directly :-) |
| 15:58.25 | TheGroove | Ok, going to postpone it for another release then :D kmail does try to start it, though, what's the simplest way to disable it? |
| 15:58.51 | cb400f | not sure.. try akonaditray |
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| 16:02.57 | Half-Left | TheGroove: I don't have akonadi running at all |
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| 16:03.22 | TheGroove | I didn't have it running until I upgraded to 4.4, I think I simply uninstalled the package on 4.3 but now kmail is compiled against it. |
| 16:03.28 | QwertyM | how often do you use keyboard accelerators? |
| 16:03.37 | TheGroove | It tries to autostart akonadi and can't start without it. |
| 16:03.49 | QwertyM | in KDE apps I mean, for things like Edit/Add buttons in an interface, etc |
| 16:04.06 | TheGroove | The tray thingy doesn't have an option to disable it, unfortunately. |
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| 16:08.23 | egns | hmm |
| 16:08.29 | egns | http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.4/screenshots/general-desktop.jpg where can I get those images? :p |
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| 16:09.16 | TheGroove | http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#How_do_I_completely_disable_Akonadi_startup.3F |
| 16:09.26 | TheGroove | Hm if that is right, I _have_ to use it for kmail now. |
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| 16:10.15 | QwertyM | yeah, inseparable now |
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| 16:11.35 | Raydiation | woah these videos in the anouncement are great! this is what ive waited for so long |
| 16:11.51 | Raydiation | finally those usability issues are tackled and search works |
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| 16:13.33 | TheGroove | How do I register Akonadi control and server processes at D-Bus? |
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| 16:14.17 | alienBOB | TheGroove: try rebooting once, it may help |
| 16:14.27 | alienBOB | It helped here |
| 16:14.39 | TheGroove | I'll try that. |
| 16:15.03 | zegenie | egns: http://picasaweb.google.com/wadejolson/BeFreeKDE |
| 16:15.08 | Raydiation | you could have used html5 videos though |
| 16:15.18 | egns | thank you zegenie |
| 16:15.20 | zegenie | I htink that's most of the images shown in that folder |
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| 16:18.52 | vbgunz | "According to KDE's bug-tracking system, 7293 bugs have been fixed" since what version? 4.0? or 4.3? |
| 16:19.25 | kriko | vbgunz: kde is soo buggy, so since 4.3 :> |
| 16:19.39 | kriko | but still it looks better than gnome :> |
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| 16:19.56 | vbgunz | kriko, thats crazy if that many bugs have really been squashed since 4.3 |
| 16:20.07 | vbgunz | thats wild if its true |
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| 16:21.36 | Half-Left | Yeah but remember how big KDE SC is |
| 16:21.49 | kriko | oh, so all apps |
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| 16:21.53 | kriko | not just the base |
| 16:23.17 | vbgunz | wow, I only ever wished for a rock solid KDE. 7000+ bugs fixed since the release I am on 4.3 should be awesome and I find it incredibly stable now |
| 16:23.25 | vbgunz | can't wait to get my filthy paws on it |
| 16:23.27 | vbgunz | :) |
| 16:23.28 | Half-Left | And most likely there were a lot of duplicate bugs as well |
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| 16:23.45 | Raydiation | btw, how can i add the trash to my sidebar in dolphin? i accidentilly removed it |
| 16:23.54 | Raydiation | and can i add ssh to? |
| 16:23.57 | kriko | show hidden.... |
| 16:24.00 | kriko | right click |
| 16:24.08 | kriko | you can add whatever you want |
| 16:24.17 | kriko | fish, sftp, audiocd... |
| 16:24.37 | kriko | go to : trash:/ |
| 16:24.39 | kriko | and add it |
| 16:25.08 | kriko | right click - > add to places |
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| 16:27.44 | vbgunz_ | whats linus torvalds saying now about KDE? I remember he hated it. I agreed with him then but cannot in no way agree with him now, 4.4 must have that boy rolling in his skin |
| 16:29.16 | kriko | vbgunz_: well, he was stuck with 4.0 since his favorite distro shipped it |
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| 16:29.19 | kriko | not a cool |
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| 16:29.22 | kriko | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.48 | gongoputch | KDE is now officially ported to windows? |
| 16:29.52 | kriko | and I don't care who is what saying about it, I have the download button to test it myself |
| 16:30.18 | vbgunz_ | yeah but even I hated kde since 4.1. so much has turned around in 4.2 and 4.3 is really fantastic. man. 4.4 has got me excited about the desktop all over again |
| 16:30.37 | kriko | I consider 4.3 to be the first kde for users |
| 16:30.45 | kriko | gongoputch: http://windows.kde.org/ |
| 16:31.01 | kriko | 4.4 has quite a few nice touches compared to 4.3 |
| 16:31.21 | gongoputch | kriko: thnx |
| 16:31.22 | kriko | and I'm running RC quite a long time, it's stable |
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| 16:31.33 | kriko | gongoputch: seems like it is not |
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| 16:32.06 | vbgunz_ | I usually mess with the rc but my 4.3 was so nice, I decided to wait for 4.4. I sort of want the big wow vs a little wow |
| 16:32.30 | kriko | yes, it's better to wait - there are some problems with qt 4.6.x |
| 16:32.32 | Ender2070 | here are some screenshots of 4.4 |
| 16:32.34 | Ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/16 |
| 16:32.36 | vbgunz_ | one little minor annoyance thats actually fixed in 4.4 is the glowing border around the oxygen theme right? |
| 16:32.43 | kriko | like konversation is eating cpu like crazy |
| 16:32.48 | kriko | and so does konsole |
| 16:32.53 | Ender2070 | kriko - change the font |
| 16:32.55 | kriko | if using the wrong font |
| 16:32.58 | kriko | Ender2070: no |
| 16:33.00 | kriko | I like it |
| 16:33.13 | Ender2070 | its still using less cpu than mono apps anyways |
| 16:33.40 | kriko | this is the only drawback currently I'm noticing |
| 16:33.52 | Sho_ | kriko: The Konversation thing is a known bug in Qt 4.6.x - Konversation git has a workaround (new release soon) |
| 16:34.36 | kriko | Sho_: yes, I'm using git, however left overnight konv. becomes unresponsive |
| 16:34.40 | kriko | quite sluggish |
| 16:34.42 | kriko | known? |
| 16:35.07 | Sho_ | kriko: not known to me .. |
| 16:35.11 | vbgunz_ | Sho_: I miss you man, you still the man of course? |
| 16:36.09 | Sho_ | vbgunz_: still _a_ man anyway, with no plans to change ;) |
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| 16:36.36 | vbgunz_ | yeah, yakuake is still rocking awesome :) |
| 16:37.34 | kriko | yakuake is using konsole engine |
| 16:37.40 | kriko | so it's affected |
| 16:38.26 | vbgunz_ | yeah, I hope it aint too terrible |
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| 17:03.44 | icwiener | Is it possible to remove a widget that is not visible anywhere? |
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| 17:04.47 | Half-Left | 4.3? |
| 17:04.56 | icwiener | 4.4 |
| 17:05.26 | Half-Left | nope, the widget explorer doesn't have a remove option |
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| 17:06.28 | icwiener | grml... I put a panel with a systray on another screen. That screen is not available anymore but the widgets seem to be somewhere. As a result my primary systray does not show my apps anymore. :/ |
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| 17:07.18 | pARAd0X85 | hi |
| 17:07.27 | pARAd0X85 | Anyone has tested the new KDE ? |
| 17:07.39 | TheGroove | is running it |
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| 17:07.52 | Half-Left | icwiener: yeah, I asked for the feature to be put in but it's an "Add Widgets" dialogue only so.... |
| 17:08.22 | Axtroz | hey guys can some1 explain how to put multiple apps in 1 window like tabs? |
| 17:08.32 | Axtroz | i managed to do it by accident with opera and systemsettings |
| 17:08.39 | Axtroz | but now i can't figure how i did it :D |
| 17:08.46 | Axtroz | (kde 4.4) |
| 17:09.26 | icwiener | Axtroz: Press Alt+F3 and search the menu for options. There should be one to do it. |
| 17:09.26 | Half-Left | Just middle drag the application window over to the other |
| 17:09.43 | TheGroove | icwiener: I guess you can hack it out by editing the right file in ~/.kde/share/config/ |
| 17:09.54 | Axtroz | oh, found it; thanks! :) |
| 17:10.04 | Axtroz | damn this rules... |
| 17:10.07 | icwiener | Half-Left: Pity ... Yeah, that's what I am going to do now. :( Thanks anyway. :) |
| 17:10.20 | Half-Left | :) |
| 17:11.21 | pARAd0X85 | in terms of performance, is KDE 4.4 faster than 4.3 ? I got some news that Qt 4.6 was optimised |
| 17:12.21 | Half-Left | pARAd0X85: People have reported it as being faster yes |
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| 17:13.02 | pARAd0X85 | OK than, I am waiting for opensuse update packages to come :) |
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| 17:13.03 | Half-Left | Though that's down to their experience for whatever reason |
| 17:13.04 | TheGroove | It feels faster, especially button response, etc. |
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| 17:13.29 | TheGroove | Clicking through mails in kmail feels more responsive. |
| 17:13.59 | Half-Left | Probably Nokia fixed the cache issue, it was broken at some point |
| 17:14.34 | pARAd0X85 | nice, that's what I previously lacked in KDE (when thinking about gnome) |
| 17:14.48 | pARAd0X85 | responsitivity |
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| 17:16.02 | Half-Left | Needs more work though, Qt4.6.2 should be better hopefully |
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| 17:16.43 | Half-Left | If you want some latency back, Don't use Oxygen :p |
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| 17:18.04 | Half-Left | Though I always like to use Oxygen since it's a great default theme and looks great all round |
| 17:18.04 | pARAd0X85 | Half-Left: why Qt 4.6.2 ? do you have any news or a link ? |
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| 17:19.04 | Half-Left | pARAd0X85: I heard there are some outstanding issues with it, I think aseigo said something about it in his blog as I remember |
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| 17:52.54 | TheGroove | So, still no printer configuration dialog? |
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| 17:54.40 | mschiff | Moin! Is there any way to restart the user instance of the dbus-daemon while KDE4.4 is running? I had to kill it because I used too much memory (>700M) after enabling nepomuk/striggy |
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| 18:04.25 | Vamp898 | Hey, i updated to KDE 4.4 Final and deleted all existing configs but i still have a problem. On the K-Menü the "Systemsettings" option over "Run Process" disappeard |
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| 18:06.01 | Vamp898 | mysterious, now it is back again but the "Run Process" menu disappeared |
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| 18:10.43 | Vamp898 | and the hover effeckt is not there too (when i hover over the folders) but only in the "Computer" Section of K-Menü |
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| 18:11.35 | johnny69 | Is it possible to have Konsole use .TTF fonts? Just curious really. (kde 4.3.5 - Release 3/Suse 11.2) Thank you. |
| 18:12.06 | johnny69 | Or any other fonts than the few that are already listed in the konsole config ? |
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| 18:12.38 | thrashold | Any qtcurve user here? When I ask it to apply KDE 4 colors to KDE 3 apps, is there any way to undo this? |
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| 18:13.23 | thrashold | Some KDE 3 apps started crashing after I did it (they work fine when I move kdeglobals away, but this is shareed between kde3/4 on my system and I don't want to delete it) |
| 18:13.59 | pinotree | johnny69: you can use only monospaced fonts in konsole |
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| 18:17.32 | Vamp898 | thrashhold gtk-theme-switch2 |
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| 18:18.03 | Vamp898 | thrashold oh sry not thats for qtcurve-gtk2 only |
| 18:18.07 | Vamp898 | *no |
| 18:18.21 | thrashold | Heh, I want to edit the KDE 3 color scheme somehow :) |
| 18:18.33 | thrashold | (I have only two KDE 3 apps, and only one of them is crashing, though :/ ) |
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| 18:21.05 | thrashold | What is the comment in kdeglobals? # or ; ? I'm going to find the offending line by commenting and uncommenting |
| 18:21.21 | pinotree | # |
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| 18:21.54 | thrashold | pinotree: Thanks |
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| 18:25.17 | rohan | is there a kde 4.4 livecd available? kde-four-live? |
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| 18:29.42 | KWhat_Work | is there a way to force okular to display something other than "Publication Date: Month, Year" in the title. I have 5 pdfs open and i can figure out which one is which |
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| 18:33.11 | Vamp898 | In KDE 4.4 Final there is still this stupid Akonadi problem. Thats really annoying! The akonadi menu from Systemsettings disappeared and akonadi starts in background with evers shitty single small KDEpim app and stays in background with an unhuman memory consumation. Is akonadi the new amarok? |
| 18:34.12 | Vamp898 | i dont want an app running in background with a memory consuming of over 300mb without the ablity to close it! |
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| 18:34.50 | Half-Left | Vamp898: Tell your distro to set it up right then |
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| 18:35.13 | KWhat_Work | what distro Vamp898 |
| 18:35.41 | Vamp898 | Archlinux |
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| 18:36.05 | aseigo | 300MB? that's rather wrong. it shouldn't take nearly that much. it's taking ~17MB here, and i'm actually using it for email and what not |
| 18:36.06 | Vamp898 | but i have the same on Gentoo so i dont think its distro related |
| 18:36.24 | Vamp898 | yes its about 21mb here |
| 18:36.27 | Vamp898 | but only one akonadi process |
| 18:36.31 | Vamp898 | i have about 15 of them |
| 18:36.43 | aseigo | ponders if Vamp898 is measuring correctly |
| 18:36.44 | Vamp898 | + the mysql which is started by akonadi |
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| 18:37.24 | aseigo | notes that it's the akonadi nepomu indexer that takes the bulk for him: 5.8MB (oh nos! ;) |
| 18:37.46 | Vamp898 | i understand when KDE hates sqlite in case of its simplicity and speed and wants to use MySQL everywhere. But then all apps should use one mysql and not amarok stats his own and akonadi starts his own |
| 18:37.50 | aseigo | Vamp898: are you adding up all the memory usage of each of those processes, e.g. 15 * 21? |
| 18:37.57 | Vamp898 | no |
| 18:38.02 | Vamp898 | but i had 1,4 GB memory usagew |
| 18:38.08 | Vamp898 | after i killed akonadi i had 1.1 |
| 18:38.13 | aseigo | define "memory usage" |
| 18:38.25 | Vamp898 | that memory what is used xD |
| 18:38.40 | aseigo | where are you getting the number from? |
| 18:38.55 | Vamp898 | top/htop/ksysmon |
| 18:39.11 | Vamp898 | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 18:39.19 | Vamp898 | where ever you want to get the information from |
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| 18:40.07 | aseigo | and you are taking out buffers, cache, etc from the totals; including only shared memory usage? |
| 18:40.08 | KWhat_Work | still builds without semantic desktop support ;) |
| 18:40.39 | Vamp898 | yes im taking out all that stuff |
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| 18:41.14 | Vamp898 | and what the hell is virtuoso and why is it taking 65mb memory? |
| 18:41.23 | Vamp898 | sry 56 not 65^^ |
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| 18:41.45 | Half-Left | What is it with you and memory? |
| 18:41.45 | aseigo | Vamp898: to identify what the issue is, it will be necessary to identify the actual usage by the processes that get started. before/after numbers tell us very little (and are pretty prone to error) |
| 18:42.20 | aseigo | Vamp898: it's the rdf storage and sqarql backend used by nepomuk |
| 18:42.21 | cobra-the-joker | congratulates every one for the arrival of KDE 4.4 :D |
| 18:42.30 | aseigo | er, sparql |
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| 18:42.46 | Vamp898 | normally i dont want to use nepomuk |
| 18:43.00 | Vamp898 | but when i deactivate nepomuk i get about 20 error messages form akonadi that nepomuk is not started |
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| 18:43.26 | aseigo | what you likely mean is "normally i don't want my disk to be indexed by nepomuk" |
| 18:43.37 | Vamp898 | i dont want nepomuk at all |
| 18:43.41 | Half-Left | ArchLinux doesn't even use soprano |
| 18:43.44 | kriko | you can disable in systemsettings |
| 18:44.01 | aseigo | i somehow doubt you mean "normally, i don't want to able to search through my email, calendar eventsa nd contacts". you can turn off disk indexing in system settings |
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| 18:44.16 | Half-Left | They default to redland as I remember, unless they've changed that |
| 18:44.35 | Vamp898 | Half-Left i dont know where you get your information but its 100% fault. soprano is installed on my system and its used |
| 18:44.37 | aseigo | at which point nepomuk becomes a shared service for application indexing so that it isn't duplicated in each individual application |
| 18:44.47 | troy | Half-Left: virtuoso in 4.4 - much faster |
| 18:44.50 | thrashold | Can I mix two icon themes by doing cp -as ThemeA MixedTheme; cp -as ThemeB MixedTheme ? |
| 18:44.52 | Half-Left | yes |
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| 18:45.39 | Half-Left | Vamp898: Well we had people coming in here saying they can't get soprano for Archlinux in the default |
| 18:45.52 | kriko | krunner crashes when I enable nepomuk search runner |
| 18:45.55 | aseigo | thrashold: you can also make ThemeB inherit from ThemeA by adding an entry to its .desktop file |
| 18:45.55 | Vamp898 | i know |
| 18:45.57 | kriko | oh, wait - rc2 still |
| 18:46.09 | Vamp898 | beceause the most archlinux users think archlinux is a debian with never packages and dont know how to use it |
| 18:46.26 | troy | kriko: did that for me on rc2 as well |
| 18:46.29 | Vamp898 | or not most. thats unfair but quite a lot |
| 18:46.38 | thrashold | aseigo: They inherit from each other, but unfortunately I have an app that crashes because it doesn't find an icon in the main theme |
| 18:47.01 | aseigo | thrashold: ew. what kind of app does that? |
| 18:47.02 | Half-Left | funny how opensuse don't even start akonadi with their kde-unstable. I don't even have it running or installed |
| 18:47.06 | troy | thrashold: apps shouldn't crash due to missing icons - that's something bad on the apps part |
| 18:47.08 | thrashold | aseigo: basket (KDE 3) |
| 18:47.21 | troy | Half-Left: slackware-current does - and it just works |
| 18:47.32 | Vamp898 | it works here to |
| 18:47.36 | Vamp898 | but it needs to much memory for me |
| 18:47.49 | Vamp898 | i save over 400mb with deactivating nepomuk and akonadi |
| 18:47.52 | kriko | Half-Left: does here from factory repo |
| 18:47.53 | Half-Left | Maybe it's that dbus bug then? |
| 18:47.54 | kriko | and it works |
| 18:48.12 | Half-Left | yeah, but I don't use it so it's out |
| 18:48.16 | troy | Vamp898: I save maybe 50mb, but you can tell nepomuk how much to use with a memory slider these days |
| 18:48.21 | Half-Left | At least I can |
| 18:48.45 | Vamp898 | troy yes when there would be a menu in systemsettings than i maybe could adjust the memory usage thats true |
| 18:48.49 | Vamp898 | but at all there is no since KDE 4.4 |
| 18:48.54 | thrashold | aseigo: Oh, I was inheriting oxygen with the wrong case, fixing the case fixed it. Still, thank you :) |
| 18:49.00 | Half-Left | Sounds like some screwed config |
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| 18:49.30 | troy | btw: if you have a digg account: http://digg.com/linux_unix/KDE_Software_Compilation_4_4_0_Introduces_new_innovations |
| 18:49.38 | troy | please help the promo team :) |
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| 18:50.02 | kriko | amarok guys are also doing some ground breaking stuff with upcoming amarok (trunk) |
| 18:50.10 | do0ob | hi |
| 18:50.17 | annew | is back. |
| 18:50.22 | do0ob | i've got apps in my panel which are not leaving after the app was closed |
| 18:50.29 | Vamp898 | kriko are they able to use a other database than MySQL or do they still stuck with MySQL |
| 18:50.46 | Vamp898 | Half-Left what sounds like screwed config? |
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| 18:50.56 | Half-Left | mysqld |
| 18:51.13 | Vamp898 | still only mysql :/ very sad |
| 18:51.17 | estan | what happens if i remove a directory from nepomuk indexing that is currently being indexed (or has already been indexed)? |
| 18:51.18 | kriko | Vamp898: amarok uses external mysql, by default it's something that doesn't need configuration |
| 18:51.20 | kriko | and it's fast |
| 18:51.23 | Half-Left | Vamp898: Well, what you're experiencing it not normal, you act like it is |
| 18:51.40 | Vamp898 | yes its fast |
| 18:51.43 | Vamp898 | compared to Oracle its fast |
| 18:51.46 | Vamp898 | compared to sqlite not |
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| 18:52.10 | Half-Left | Anyway, we've had this conversation about mysql about a billion times |
| 18:52.11 | estan | nepomuk is currently punishing my cpu pretty bad and i see that it's indexing a directory that i don't want indexed, if i remove it while it is being indexed will the indexing of it stop or will it keep going? |
| 18:52.46 | kriko | Vamp898: it's very fast here with large collection |
| 18:52.58 | Vamp898 | fast compared to what? |
| 18:53.08 | kriko | and I don't care what it uses - don't want to configure an external db for a freaking player |
| 18:53.38 | kriko | btw, amarok 1 used sqlite and it was dog slow |
| 18:53.51 | Vamp898 | banshee, rhythmbox and exaile uses sqlite and they are all faster |
| 18:53.55 | Half-Left | What's the problem with memory anyway? We browsers take well over 50mb all the time and people don't half complain |
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| 18:54.28 | Vamp898 | the problem with memory is that i need my memory for virtualisation |
| 18:55.13 | Half-Left | Well that's your problem, that's virtualisation for you |
| 18:55.15 | kriko | it's quite fast when scanning and searching around 10.000 tracks, never achieved such performance with any other player |
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| 18:55.34 | Vamp898 | My Problem is that XFCE needs 90mb memory. I was able to give 3GB memory to a Virtual Machine |
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| 18:55.41 | Vamp898 | now KDE needs 1.4 GB memory and im lucky with 2GB |
| 18:55.52 | Half-Left | It shouldn't do |
| 18:55.57 | Vamp898 | but it does |
| 18:55.58 | kriko | doesn't here |
| 18:55.59 | Half-Left | That's what we're saying |
| 18:56.02 | kriko | borked configs |
| 18:56.09 | Vamp898 | i deleted all my configs |
| 18:56.35 | Vamp898 | i remove .kde .kde4 and everything what was there |
| 18:56.43 | Vamp898 | so i dont think that borked configs are the problem |
| 18:56.51 | kriko | when you weren't logged in kde session? |
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| 18:57.01 | Half-Left | ask the archlinux guys then |
| 18:57.02 | Vamp898 | sure |
| 18:57.14 | Vamp898 | yes but the archlinux guys dont help me when Gentoo does the same |
| 18:57.35 | kriko | I cannot comment, since I use RC3 still :> |
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| 18:57.48 | Vamp898 | and the Gentoo guys dont help me when SuSE does the same and i dont think that Arch, SuSE and Gentoo have the same problem with KDE |
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| 18:57.57 | estan | both the progress window of nepomuk indexing and the settings window hang when i try to hit Apply after removing some directories :/ |
| 18:58.00 | kriko | really?! opensuse here |
| 18:58.07 | Half-Left | Not here, opensuse is fine |
| 18:58.30 | Vamp898 | on me openSUSE needs the same amount of memory than arch and gentoo does |
| 18:58.43 | Half-Left | Not like the horrors I've been seeing.Distros do set up KDE different though |
| 18:59.15 | Vamp898 | i dont think that the set up keeps akonadi away from using memory |
| 18:59.37 | Vamp898 | or amarok needs less memory becease the distro set up kde different |
| 18:59.56 | Half-Left | amarok takes about 55-65mb here |
| 19:00.08 | Vamp898 | + the mysql |
| 19:00.10 | Half-Left | And if it needs more, it should take it |
| 19:00.16 | Vamp898 | dont forget the 40mb for mysql |
| 19:00.21 | Vamp898 | including MySQL amarok needs 100mb |
| 19:01.02 | Half-Left | That's a small price to pay it you have a large music collection |
| 19:01.16 | Vamp898 | i dont have a large music collection |
| 19:01.26 | Vamp898 | 1680 tracks |
| 19:01.56 | Half-Left | USe something lighter, geeez |
| 19:02.15 | Vamp898 | than tell me lightweith music player written in qt |
| 19:02.22 | Vamp898 | *lightweight |
| 19:02.28 | Half-Left | Use any |
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| 19:03.12 | Vamp898 | and dont use amarok dont help me with akonadi since KMail starts the akonadi server |
| 19:03.16 | Half-Left | Just don't act liek you don't have a choice in FOSS |
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| 19:03.20 | kriko | mplayer cli interface will do for you |
| 19:03.28 | Vamp898 | sure player will do |
| 19:03.35 | Vamp898 | its so comfortable to play songs with mplayer |
| 19:03.43 | kriko | yes, it is |
| 19:03.44 | Half-Left | Uuse the qt version of xmms |
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| 19:03.46 | Vamp898 | the best thing is the search engine |
| 19:03.47 | Half-Left | use* |
| 19:03.48 | Vamp898 | wait |
| 19:03.49 | kriko | you can run it inside screen |
| 19:04.00 | kriko | and it doens't crash if xorg crashes |
| 19:04.01 | Vamp898 | there is no search engine.......... oh i forgot there is no comfortability with playing music with mplayer |
| 19:04.23 | Vamp898 | why should Xorg crash? |
| 19:04.33 | estan | jesus.. |
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| 19:04.52 | kriko | does nepomukservicestub process should hand in background? it's eating 300MB now. But.. I'm on RC3, so it might be fixed |
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| 19:05.14 | kriko | xorg crashes here, I reported a reproducible bug last week to nvidia |
| 19:05.20 | kriko | which was an xorg bug |
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| 19:05.31 | Vamp898 | nvidia =) |
| 19:05.33 | kriko | reproducible if you are using multiple xorgs |
| 19:05.35 | kriko | nope |
| 19:05.54 | kriko | gdb showed it was a problem with pixman |
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| 19:08.49 | Vamp898 | i just think i have to live with the memory usage of amarok/akonadi |
| 19:09.05 | Half-Left | stop it then |
| 19:09.12 | Half-Left | do you need it? |
| 19:09.25 | Vamp898 | i dont need it |
| 19:09.27 | Vamp898 | KMail starts it |
| 19:09.42 | Vamp898 | and i need kmail so im forced to use akonadi |
| 19:10.01 | Half-Left | akonadictl stop |
| 19:10.02 | TheGroove | Akonadi uses like 230KB of mem here. |
| 19:10.13 | TheGroove | Half-Left: kmail will restart it, or at least try to. |
| 19:10.33 | Vamp898 | which process of akonadi needs 230kb on you? |
| 19:10.37 | Vamp898 | on me akonadi starts about 20 processes |
| 19:10.56 | TheGroove | /usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder |
| 19:11.01 | Vamp898 | and i cant stop nepomuk beceause im getting a error message of akonadi that nepomuk is stopped |
| 19:11.05 | kriko | this semantic desktop it's a mess, it's kinda expected, since it is a first release |
| 19:11.08 | TheGroove | There are a few others indeed, but none of them use more than 200KB. |
| 19:11.21 | Vamp898 | so becease kmail im forced to use akonadi and becease akonadi im forced to use neopmuk |
| 19:11.27 | TheGroove | That nepomuk message is non-fatal,though. |
| 19:11.31 | Half-Left | It' doesn't force you |
| 19:11.36 | rohan | is there any way i can try 4.4 using a livecd? |
| 19:11.37 | TheGroove | I have it turned off and it complains, but it's not needed. |
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| 19:11.50 | Half-Left | I don't even use it and kamil works fine |
| 19:11.54 | Half-Left | kmail* |
| 19:11.58 | TheGroove | Half-Left: on 4.4 |
| 19:11.59 | TheGroove | ? |
| 19:12.01 | Half-Left | yes |
| 19:12.02 | Vamp898 | yes but i get the error message every time i start akonadi/kmail |
| 19:12.10 | kriko | that could be annoying |
| 19:12.17 | kriko | report to kmail developers |
| 19:12.23 | Half-Left | Then it's been setup wrong |
| 19:12.31 | Vamp898 | setup wrong? |
| 19:12.37 | Vamp898 | there is not setup option for this |
| 19:12.38 | Half-Left | as I said about 15 minutes ago |
| 19:12.54 | Half-Left | Because it should just run and all apps will start as normal |
| 19:13.03 | Half-Left | once only thing |
| 19:13.07 | Vamp898 | and since there is no setup option for that there cant be a wrong setup |
| 19:13.21 | TheGroove | Vamp898: does that happen even if you have "Enable Nepomuk Semantic desktop" non-checked? |
| 19:13.46 | Vamp898 | that happens only when i deactivate nepomuk |
| 19:14.05 | TheGroove | Nepomuk has a memory limiter as well, btw. |
| 19:14.26 | Vamp898 | i dont want to limit nepomuks memory usage |
| 19:14.32 | Vamp898 | i dont want nepomuk at all |
| 19:14.44 | Vamp898 | i dont need to rate how much i like my folders |
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| 19:14.51 | Half-Left | stop it in the systemsetting services then |
| 19:15.04 | Vamp898 | -.- did you read what i written before? |
| 19:15.18 | Vamp898 | im getting a error message of akonadi everytime it starts when i deactivate it |
| 19:15.19 | Half-Left | Disable it in the service manager |
| 19:15.22 | TheGroove | Half-Left: the problem is that akonadi still reports an error every time it's started. |
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| 19:15.31 | TheGroove | Even though it's non-fatal. |
| 19:15.37 | Vamp898 | yes its non fatal |
| 19:15.39 | Vamp898 | but still annoying |
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| 19:16.35 | urkud | AFAIK, nepomuk is considered hard dependency for kdepim. |
| 19:17.01 | Half-Left | But the simple fact is, you can disable the service |
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| 19:17.09 | TheGroove | I don't think there's been a final decision on that :) |
| 19:17.20 | TheGroove | Because it's non-fatal for Akonadi and kmail runs without it. |
| 19:18.14 | Vamp898 | i have to say. That stuff with nepomuk is more princip. Nepomuk is not distrubing me or needs much memory. But that akonadi stuff is really annyoing! it needs a much of memory here and starts his own mysql |
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| 19:19.03 | Vamp898 | akonadi starts his own mysql and amarok starts his own mysql |
| 19:19.08 | Vamp898 | i have 2 mysql running! |
| 19:19.18 | TheGroove | Well, the memory usage thing is a faulty config, that's for sure. |
| 19:19.31 | Vamp898 | yes but i deleted all my configs |
| 19:19.33 | Vamp898 | so which config is wrong? |
| 19:19.37 | kriko | Vamp898: I use amarok and akonadi - only one mysld |
| 19:19.54 | TheGroove | I don't know, it's something your packager did. |
| 19:20.04 | TheGroove | Or something mine didn't, for that matter. |
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| 19:20.23 | Half-Left | I must have a black magic distro that doesn't do such silly things |
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| 19:20.49 | TheGroove | Half-Left: can you start kmail without akonadi running? |
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| 19:21.25 | Half-Left | TheGroove: Last time I tried it yes but I don't use kmail anymore |
| 19:21.25 | estan | hrm. systemsettings says compositing is off after upgrading to 4.4, but xdpyinfo | grep Comp shows the extension is loaded, any ideas? |
| 19:21.34 | TheGroove | Half-Left: was that 4.4? |
| 19:21.37 | Half-Left | yes |
| 19:21.45 | Half-Left | I was testing |
| 19:21.58 | TheGroove | Hm |
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| 19:21.59 | Vamp898 | for me KMail starts akonadi everytime since KDE 4.4 Beta 2 |
| 19:22.22 | TheGroove | Well, my kmail was _built_ against akonadi this time, in 4.3 I simply didn't install akonadi and it never complained. |
| 19:22.50 | Vamp898 | in KDE 4.3 i was able to start KMail without akonadi |
| 19:22.59 | Vamp898 | but it seems like the adress book in KDE 4.4 needs it |
| 19:23.04 | TheGroove | Yes |
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| 19:23.24 | TheGroove | Not just that, it looks like mail cache is in akonadi now as well. |
| 19:23.43 | kriko | hm, certainly there are problems with this semantic stuff |
| 19:23.44 | TheGroove | They might fix memory usage in a later release, but akonadi is here to stay. |
| 19:23.50 | Chartman123 | does akonadi start when starting contact now? i always had to start it manually... |
| 19:24.00 | Chartman123 | oh, kontact of course |
| 19:24.12 | kriko | TheGroove: yes, but it should handle errors more elegantly |
| 19:24.14 | TheGroove | Chartman123: it starts automatically if I run kmail, I figure it should do the same for kontact. |
| 19:24.16 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, it's nice that Okular lets me make these reviews on a PDF, and I understand those not being portable to other systems, since they aren't part of the PDF format... But why the heck doesn't it print them?? |
| 19:24.22 | Chartman123 | in the release candidates |
| 19:24.29 | TheGroove | kriko: agreed, I'm hoping that's a matter of time. |
| 19:24.46 | kriko | I'm sure it is if someone using it will write a bug repot |
| 19:24.48 | kriko | *report |
| 19:25.02 | Half-Left | TheGroove: kmail is now using akonadi here |
| 19:25.14 | TheGroove | Half-Left: ok, that's what I would expect. |
| 19:25.15 | Chartman123 | thegroove: it was a question, because i had some problems with that in rc2 and rc3, haven't installed final 4.4 yet |
| 19:25.36 | Chartman123 | :) |
| 19:25.58 | TheGroove | Chartman123: ok, I never use kontact stand-alone so I can't give a definitive answer. |
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| 19:26.02 | rohan | http://www.kde.org/info/4.4.0.php --> this page says "Some Linux/UNIX OS vendors have kindly provided binary packages of KDE 4.3 for some versions of their distribution,"... |
| 19:26.07 | kriko | Digital_Pioneer: look at print options, if not there file a wish list |
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| 19:26.25 | Digital_Pioneer | kriko: I checked there, where do I put a wish list? :P |
| 19:26.32 | kriko | bugs.kde.org |
| 19:26.39 | Digital_Pioneer | Cool. |
| 19:26.41 | kriko | seems like really there is no such option |
| 19:27.20 | Vamp898 | Since i expected that the "first start" of KDE uses the most memory im watching what happens when i restart KDE, maybe it goes all well in the end^^ *i hope so* |
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| 19:27.33 | Half-Left | Here is my system activity http://imagebin.ca/view/75I2jb5.html |
| 19:28.09 | Half-Left | amarok running, kmail running |
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| 19:28.27 | Vamp898 | wait i take a screenshot too |
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| 19:28.52 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world |
| 19:28.53 | Half-Left | my distro is fine and so it seems is my config |
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| 19:29.37 | Vamp898 | http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2524/blagl.jpg |
| 19:30.02 | Klaus_Dieter | I do have a kmail question: How do I get kmail in the mail view to recognize lines starting with "AB>" as a quote and have them displayed correctly? Some programs use the acronym of the name in that way to mark quotes so I would like kmail to show them that way. |
| 19:30.08 | Half-Left | clearly it's not supposed to do that, as mine shows |
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| 19:30.27 | Vamp898 | yes but you use openSUSE |
| 19:30.31 | Half-Left | Which is working as expected |
| 19:30.37 | Vamp898 | openSUSE is against vanilla in any way ;) |
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| 19:31.32 | Half-Left | Yep |
| 19:31.37 | kriko | omg thats a load of akonadi processes |
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| 19:31.51 | Half-Left | But I have it setup like the default anyway, I don't use all of the opensuse branding |
| 19:31.51 | aseigo | Vamp898: what are those processes? (and i wonder if that wasn't the bug addressed by the akonadi server fix commited just yesterday) |
| 19:32.08 | Vamp898 | but i have the same load of akonadi on "self-build" KDE and on Gentoo |
| 19:32.19 | TheGroove | It's definitely starting more than the are minimum there/ |
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| 19:33.14 | Vamp898 | here you can se the name of the processes |
| 19:33.16 | Vamp898 | http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8118/bla1.jpg |
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| 19:36.02 | Half-Left | Vamp898: Same with the RC's? |
| 19:36.09 | Vamp898 | yes |
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| 19:36.27 | Half-Left | I'm still on RC3 waiting on final |
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| 19:36.35 | Vamp898 | i had the same on RC1/2/3 |
| 19:36.57 | Half-Left | Have you tried a new user? |
| 19:37.02 | Vamp898 | yes |
| 19:37.04 | Vamp898 | i tried new user |
| 19:37.06 | Vamp898 | deleting all configs |
| 19:37.08 | Vamp898 | other distro |
| 19:37.10 | Vamp898 | everything! |
| 19:37.17 | Half-Left | weird |
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| 19:37.28 | Half-Left | Something doesn't like you |
| 19:37.52 | Half-Left | Maybe you smashed a mirror lately :p |
| 19:37.52 | Vamp898 | wait i restart KDE and watch if i still have the same |
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| 19:38.41 | zeld | hi all :) how i can set by default plasma-desktop -graphicssystem raster? |
| 19:38.52 | pinotree | Digital_Pioneer: searching before reporting is not that hard, really :) |
| 19:39.10 | Digital_Pioneer | pinotree: I did. |
| 19:39.16 | Digital_Pioneer | Did I miss something? |
| 19:39.23 | pinotree | of course |
| 19:39.31 | TheGroove | zeld: I asked something similar a while ago and the short answer was "you can't". |
| 19:39.48 | Digital_Pioneer | Sorry, I promise you I searched. |
| 19:39.52 | pinotree | 159005 |
| 19:40.20 | zeld | oh! TheGroove thanks! but is a stupid thing!!! it's not possibile not do this :| |
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| 19:40.43 | zeld | anyway...i'm just think to make this command as default when start x |
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| 19:40.53 | Digital_Pioneer | pinotree: Ahh, yeah, he called them "annotations" whereas Okular calls them "reviews" |
| 19:41.03 | pinotree | it's the same |
| 19:41.05 | Digital_Pioneer | pinotree: I searched using the term found in the actual program. |
| 19:41.05 | TheGroove | zeld: I use that same option for konsole, my solution was simply adding -graphicssystem to all shortcuts I use, but that's not an option for you, I guess. |
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| 19:41.46 | zeld | :D TheGroove lol! |
| 19:41.47 | Vamp898 | the same :/ but KDE needs now about 600mb and not 1400 anymore |
| 19:41.51 | zeld | ok.. could be a solution |
| 19:41.53 | zeld | :) |
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| 19:42.27 | Vamp898 | could it be that KDE is wasting my memory beceause i have so much (maybe it needs less memory when i would have less) |
| 19:42.36 | zeld | Vamp898: ofcourse, but i've only 1 GB of ram, and when i open firefox, kdevelop, kmail, and much more the pc is toooo slow :| |
| 19:42.45 | Half-Left | How much memory do you have? |
| 19:43.03 | Half-Left | And do you have 64bit? |
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| 19:43.28 | PyroBor | i have problem compiling kdebase-workspace. this the error: http://pastebin.com/d5cbc8b3e anyone know where my problem is? |
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| 19:44.30 | pinotree | PyroBor: distro packages? |
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| 19:44.57 | MasterPatricko | hey everyone not sure who to inform but there's a typo in the 4.4 release announcement/feature guide |
| 19:45.14 | kriko | PyroBor: nepomuk is missing |
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| 19:45.37 | MasterPatricko | on http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.4/guide.php, first paragraph, last sentence, it says "abitious" (instead of ambitious) |
| 19:45.45 | PyroBor | pinotree: SourceMage. |
| 19:45.51 | TheGroove | KDE is the least of my worries, regarding memory. |
| 19:45.59 | Vamp898 | I have 64bit and 4GB of Memory |
| 19:46.04 | TheGroove | If anything is hogging, it's Opera. |
| 19:46.15 | pinotree | PyroBor: ask in the channel of your distro, looks like the kdelibs packages are incomplete |
| 19:46.15 | kriko | yes, opera is eating memory like hell |
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| 19:48.34 | Vamp898 | there is such an beautiful design for KDE and i cant use it beceause it reminds me always on my ex-girlfriend :'( |
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| 19:49.09 | TheGroove | That is a weird reason to not use it! |
| 19:49.12 | Half-Left | Vamp898: Yeah well, 64bit with 4Gb of memory apps and such do tend to use more memory, as it should |
| 19:49.18 | Vamp898 | ok a friend told me that he is using KDE 4.4 RC3 on a Netbook with 512mb memory and its working fine so i think KDE needs more memory if you have more |
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| 19:54.49 | Half-Left | You shouldn't need to look at memory if your system is running fine(unless your debugging). Ultimately, the kernel is the one that balances out the memory and load to keep your system running smoothly |
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| 19:55.38 | TheGroove | Half-Left: it's not always the kernel. |
| 19:55.46 | TheGroove | Opera, for instance, reserves memory "intelligently". |
| 19:55.55 | TheGroove | But it's a greedy bastard so I turn it off on most systems. |
| 19:56.18 | Half-Left | Well, mostly it does |
| 19:56.31 | Half-Left | Opera, well that speaks for itself |
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| 19:59.27 | Vamp898 | oh i still have a problem. When i click the K-Menü and click to Computer (the middle menu) i dont have the systemsettings button anymore (it was always on the top) |
| 19:59.35 | Vamp898 | thats since KDE 4.4 Final in KDE 4.4 RC3 it worked |
| 19:59.39 | Vamp898 | *was there |
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| 20:00.21 | TheGroove | I can't help, I use classic. |
| 20:01.08 | Frantic | guys, what does KDE 4.4 do with some fonts? I see that the inactive titlebar now has a niec font effect, but I see the same effect on my Firefox's Firebug toolbars |
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| 20:04.16 | Half-Left | Frantic: What exactly do you mean? |
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| 20:08.24 | zeld | TheGroove: do you want make plasma-desktop -graphicssystem raster by default? |
| 20:08.44 | TheGroove | zeld: nah I don't need it for plasma-desktop. |
| 20:08.47 | zeld | :) |
| 20:08.55 | TheGroove | I use it for konsole because I use a bitmap font. |
| 20:09.00 | TheGroove | DId you find a solution? |
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| 20:11.34 | Christoph^ | Hi, in kde 4.4, how do I change the plasma theme? |
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| 20:12.03 | roerich | system-settings -> appearance |
| 20:12.30 | Christoph^ | ty |
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| 20:21.47 | panzi | does anyone know a good and free mailinglist provider (for a tiny open source project I host on bitbucket+kde-apps)? |
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| 20:22.58 | urkud | google groups? mailman? |
| 20:23.02 | urkud | mlmmj? |
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| 20:23.50 | binarylooks_ | I can't seem to find the new viewmode for "files used vs time". is it a special nepomuk search or a simple button somewhere? |
| 20:24.01 | binarylooks_ | (in dolphin) |
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| 20:27.04 | einar77 | binarylooks_: you mean timeline:/ ? |
| 20:27.45 | binarylooks_ | einar77: yes exactly. thanks. there should be a cool button somewhere. hmm |
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| 20:37.39 | silver_hook | Is it possible to sync Motorola P2K phones already in KDE? |
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| 20:44.48 | looonger | it seems dolphin 4.4.0 finally doesn't hang |
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| 20:47.18 | Christoph^ | Is there a keyboard shortcut for switching kwin tabs? |
| 20:47.43 | Half-Left | looonger: You say it like you're disappointed |
| 20:48.15 | looonger | Half-Left: ok, let me try again |
| 20:48.24 | looonger | it seems dolphin 4.4.0 finally doesn't hang :) |
| 20:48.51 | einar77 | Half-Left: if you're waiting for OBS packages, they'll come in a few hours, kdelibs rebuild triggered from the looks of it |
| 20:48.58 | einar77 | which means that everything else needs to be rebuild |
| 20:49.00 | Half-Left | Better, but you should have used an exclamation mark :) |
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| 20:49.20 | einar77 | Half-Left: and download.opensuse.org looks dead atm |
| 20:49.21 | Frantic | Half-Left: I mean the shadow text effect for the inactive titlebars |
| 20:49.27 | looonger | it seems dolphin 4.4.0 finally doesn't hang!!! :) |
| 20:49.49 | panzi | urkud: yeah, mailman is the software that I'd prefer, but I don't have a server. I would like to use a free service (if there is such a thing). and for google groups you need to have a google account. I wnat everyone that has an email adr. to be able to join (not just google users) |
| 20:49.52 | Half-Left | looonger: Look, one is good enough, WTF. :) |
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| 20:50.26 | looonger | Half-Left: ok, one more time |
| 20:50.29 | looonger | it seems dolphin 4.4.0 finally doesn't hang! :) |
| 20:50.38 | Half-Left | einar77: WHAT?, REALLLLLY? nooo :p |
| 20:50.45 | Frantic | is it a planned change for krunner to no longer run things from pwd? |
| 20:50.46 | Half-Left | looonger: Nice fix |
| 20:50.49 | urkud | panzi: you can use google groups without google account |
| 20:51.02 | looonger | I wonder what caused those frequent hangings in kde 4.3.3 |
| 20:51.11 | Frantic | since I updated to KDE 4.4 when I use krunner, I can no longer run scripts from my home via script.sh or ./script.sh |
| 20:51.33 | Frantic | if I do /home/myuser/script.sh it works |
| 20:51.34 | looonger | I shouldn't though, they are gone with 4.4 |
| 20:51.42 | Half-Left | looonger: I think it was the kio_thumbnails on the folders |
| 20:52.18 | panzi | urkud: you can? how? when I click subscribe on a group I get a login page |
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| 20:54.41 | urkud | Hm... Probably you can only if someone will subscribe you. |
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| 20:55.33 | phoenixz | Im running Kubuntu Lucid 10.04, aplha2, out of necesity (9.04 and 9.10 DON'T work on my laptop).. all works very very great, kudos for KDE! Only problem I have is that my auto hiding taskbar, well.. For some reason it stays in hiding, I cant get it to show up anymore.. Is there a way I force the taskbar to show up again? Maybe using DCOP or something? |
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| 20:56.53 | WaltzingAlong | and by "KDE version" in "state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions", is not KDE SC version more appropriate? |
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| 20:57.49 | phoenixz | WaltzingAlong: Excuseme so very much! 4.3.98, KDE4.4 RC3... |
| 20:58.03 | phoenixz | I thought I added KDE version :) |
| 20:58.12 | WaltzingAlong | no i meant here in the topic |
| 20:58.29 | phoenixz | WaltzingAlong: ow.. |
| 20:58.36 | WaltzingAlong | ;) but thanks for the data! |
| 20:58.41 | Half-Left | WaltzingAlong: Not sure if that applies to KDE3 |
| 20:59.08 | WaltzingAlong | ah so then we need KDE or KDE SC version? |
| 21:00.08 | urkud | phoenixz: I don't see such option in qdbusviewer |
| 21:00.33 | Half-Left | WaltzingAlong: Being rather picky hey? |
| 21:00.40 | phoenixz | urkud: Me neither, I was hoping somebody would know a hack to do so anyway.. |
| 21:00.51 | Half-Left | funny, most people don't even read it :p |
| 21:01.17 | WaltzingAlong | perhaps but if it did not matter then maybe we would have stuck with Kool Desktop Environment or KDE even |
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| 21:01.32 | WaltzingAlong | read it every time i join in! |
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| 21:02.17 | urkud | phoenixz: KDE SC 4.x uses D-Bus, not dcop |
| 21:02.40 | phoenixz | urkud: my bad, dbus ofcourse! :) |
| 21:03.02 | icwiener | Anyone using KMail from 4.4 and can tell me if they have those buttons at the upper right of the message list to configure the message list? I only have the search button there for some time now. |
| 21:03.34 | urkud | icwiener: me too |
| 21:04.55 | icwiener | urkud: Argh, just found it. They moved it to the View menu... pretty hidden, imho. |
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| 22:02.03 | ardian | Hi im new to kde is it hard to upgrade to 4.4 Final ? |
| 22:02.54 | aseigo | ardian: depends on your distribution; what operating system do you use? |
| 22:03.25 | ardian | Kubuntu |
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| 22:05.31 | alienBOB | Heya aseigo - what were you hinting at when you mentioned a Slackware kerfluffle in your blog post? Did I miss a discussion today? |
| 22:06.20 | sreich | feels a craving for chocolate truffles...mmm |
| 22:06.48 | aseigo | alienBOB: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/kde3-kde4-and-slackware-13-0/ |
| 22:07.17 | alienBOB | O that ;-) |
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| 22:12.01 | bbear | hello. Since the KDE4 upgrade, virtuoso-t with nepomuk is eating 70% of my CPU time.Is it normal ? What is this |
| 22:12.52 | einar77 | bbear: upgrade from which version to which version? |
| 22:13.22 | kriko | maybe it's doing maintenance work |
| 22:13.23 | bbear | from the previous one. Im on archlinux, it's a rolling release. |
| 22:13.35 | bbear | Yes. I didnt know virtuoso. |
| 22:14.12 | einar77 | bbear: then it's most likely converting your stuff |
| 22:14.25 | einar77 | if you have a large DB, it can take a bit |
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| 22:14.44 | MJD | bbear: Its probably either upgrading your nepomuk index from seaseme to virtuoso (a good thing) or its indexing your files as you have a fast enough backend to handle it (upgrade from redland to virtuoso). |
| 22:14.54 | bbear | I didnt know I have a db |
| 22:14.57 | The_User | Is it normal that KFontChooser needs hours when you have installed 370 fonts? |
| 22:15.02 | bbear | ok, it's fine, I will let it run. |
| 22:15.18 | bbear | THank you. |
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| 22:16.16 | kriko | The_User: seems like too much time to be usable |
| 22:16.42 | The_User | In fact I do not wait hours but kill the application |
| 22:17.07 | NaCl | hm, seems that kdesu in the 4.4 rc seems to not work. |
| 22:17.17 | kriko | works here in rc3 |
| 22:17.26 | NaCl | That's that I am using. |
| 22:17.35 | NaCl | kdsu konsole just... sits there |
| 22:17.38 | NaCl | *kdesu, rather |
| 22:18.45 | NaCl | Yeah, it just sits there, waiting for something |
| 22:19.16 | kriko | works here, which rc version? |
| 22:19.22 | NaCl | rc 3 |
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| 22:19.38 | NaCl | I remember it working... yesterday, I think. |
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| 22:21.13 | kriko | oh no, dbus daemon is eating my cpu now |
| 22:21.18 | kriko | after kdesu |
| 22:21.24 | kriko | I have to logout apparently |
| 22:21.49 | NaCl | I'm not seeing anything like that here. |
| 22:21.53 | kriko | or can I cill it? |
| 22:21.55 | kriko | *kill |
| 22:22.05 | NaCl | I'd blow away kdesu |
| 22:22.12 | Half-Left | I wouldn't, you'll kill the desktop |
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| 22:22.20 | kriko | Half-Left: the root one |
| 22:22.22 | NaCl | kriko: don't kill dbus |
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| 22:22.25 | kriko | it's owned by root |
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| 22:22.30 | Half-Left | bye :p |
| 22:22.32 | kriko | worked |
| 22:22.35 | kriko | I'm still here |
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| 22:22.50 | kriko | and cpu usage is normal |
| 22:22.52 | NaCl | If some things mysteriously stop working, that's why. :P |
| 22:22.53 | Half-Left | damn :) |
| 22:22.53 | kriko | so kdesu is flaky |
| 22:23.05 | kriko | no, kdesu spawned that process |
| 22:23.09 | kriko | I think |
| 22:23.27 | kriko | what is dbus-launch then? |
| 22:24.26 | kriko | NaCl: now kdesu doens't work |
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| 22:24.26 | NaCl | yay bug |
| 22:24.26 | kriko | so check if dbus is running |
| 22:24.26 | kriko | I've just killed it |
| 22:24.35 | kriko | should I reboot or relogin is enough? |
| 22:24.38 | NaCl | dbus is running |
| 22:24.41 | NaCl | I have no idea |
| 22:24.49 | kriko | Half-Left: ? |
| 22:25.21 | Half-Left | just restart dbus |
| 22:25.41 | NaCl | hm... |
| 22:25.45 | NaCl | I'll try that. |
| 22:25.53 | MJD | kriko: What does ps axu|grep dbus-daemon say? |
| 22:26.37 | kriko | MJD: http://pastebin.com/d2dddacbe |
| 22:26.47 | kriko | kdesu doens't work anymore |
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| 22:27.22 | MJD | You can probably just relogin and retry, see if that works. |
| 22:27.56 | MJD | kriko: You didn't actually kill the system bus it appears, so a restart _shouldn't_ be necessary. |
| 22:28.16 | NaCl | I stopped KDE, restarted it, and it's still lagging. |
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| 22:28.41 | kriko | on the second computer kdesu is also flaky |
| 22:28.45 | kriko | probably rc issue |
| 22:28.50 | kriko | don't know about final version |
| 22:29.44 | Half-Left | remember there is a dbus bug which is know about causing issues |
| 22:29.58 | kriko | if I kill dbus totally, I'll loose just desktop or something else too? |
| 22:30.14 | The_User | any idea how I can deactivate fonts quickly? |
| 22:30.26 | kriko | hm |
| 22:30.31 | Half-Left | known* |
| 22:30.42 | kriko | The_User: what is your intention? |
| 22:30.49 | einar77 | kriko: you will create a LOT of problems |
| 22:30.53 | einar77 | if you kill dbus |
| 22:31.00 | kriko | I'm not sure how it would help ending with blank windows |
| 22:31.24 | kriko | einar77: desktop or system-wide problems? |
| 22:31.26 | The_User | kfontchooser is too slow |
| 22:31.30 | The_User | it does not work |
| 22:31.37 | kriko | The_User: 4.4. |
| 22:31.38 | kriko | ? |
| 22:31.41 | The_User | yes |
| 22:31.44 | einar77 | kriko: system-wide |
| 22:31.45 | The_User | eh |
| 22:31.46 | The_User | 4.5 |
| 22:31.54 | kriko | file a bug report, let me try it first |
| 22:31.59 | einar77 | dbus is used by a lot of systems |
| 22:32.08 | kriko | ok, I wont touch it |
| 22:32.12 | NaCl | einar77: s/a lot/almost all |
| 22:32.28 | The_User | and it is not funny to deactivate 300 fonts manually |
| 22:32.54 | kriko | The_User: I don't have font chooser package |
| 22:33.06 | The_User | kfontchooser is a widgets |
| 22:33.08 | The_User | widget |
| 22:33.24 | kriko | like select font - kde contol module? |
| 22:33.25 | The_User | kfontcombobox |
| 22:33.52 | The_User | kfontcombobox = combobox used in kmail, koffice etc. to select fonts |
| 22:33.57 | kriko | character selector? |
| 22:33.57 | The_User | a dropdown |
| 22:34.09 | The_User | no |
| 22:34.14 | The_User | a dropdown menu for fonts |
| 22:34.41 | kriko | ah! where is it used? I don't have any of those 2 programs |
| 22:35.29 | The_User | which programs do you use? |
| 22:35.51 | kriko | konversation, amarok, plasma-dekstop |
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| 22:35.53 | kriko | sims 3 |
| 22:35.57 | kriko | mplayer |
| 22:36.00 | The_User | blogilo |
| 22:36.06 | kriko | no, I don't blog |
| 22:36.06 | The_User | ? |
| 22:36.14 | kriko | kopete? |
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| 22:37.11 | kriko | nope, doesn't seem so |
| 22:37.56 | The_User | can you select fonts in kopete's toolbar? |
| 22:38.31 | kriko | no |
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| 22:39.08 | The_User | http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKFontComboBox.html |
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| 22:45.06 | The_User | I try to deactivate fonts in systemsettings |
| 22:45.09 | The_User | and I get a gnome dialog |
| 22:45.13 | The_User | for root pw |
| 22:45.21 | The_User | and it always fails |
| 22:45.52 | szal | 'deactivate fonts'? |
| 22:46.20 | The_User | systemsettings -> font installation |
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| 23:00.51 | xdr | can anyone help me with a stupid issue, when I try to update my menu it just keeps going on and on and never finish |
| 23:02.13 | xdr | just reloading on 0% again and again |
| 23:02.37 | xdr | trying to remove a submenu for wine if that helps |
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| 23:05.13 | xdr | anyone |
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| 23:06.00 | Sho_ | sadly never had that problem .. |
| 23:06.13 | kriko | menu is inside ~/,config |
| 23:06.18 | kriko | or ~/.local |
| 23:06.21 | kriko | remove it there |
| 23:06.36 | kriko | yeah, wine nowadays too much integrates into desktop |
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| 23:07.08 | sreich | kriko: and that's a bad thing?? |
| 23:07.14 | kriko | yes |
| 23:07.17 | sreich | isn't that the whole point? |
| 23:07.25 | kriko | my home is puked with apps settings |
| 23:07.39 | kriko | everything should be inside WINEPREFIX |
| 23:07.45 | sreich | oh, okay |
| 23:07.52 | sreich | thought you were referring to more than just cfg |
| 23:08.16 | xdr | removed .wine |
| 23:08.25 | kriko | no |
| 23:08.27 | kriko | not htat |
| 23:08.36 | kriko | you removed installed windows programs |
| 23:08.39 | Half-Left | game saves save out side that yeah |
| 23:08.51 | kriko | yes, this is irritating |
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| 23:08.59 | kriko | defult locations should be inside prefix |
| 23:09.09 | Half-Left | Mine you, they save in different places in Windows as well |
| 23:09.17 | kriko | xdr: : ~/.local/share/applications/ |
| 23:09.23 | johnny69 | Hello #Kde people. Would one of you be kind enough to send me your /.kde4/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/filemanagement file? Mine is completely shot to hell and is causing Konqueror to behave erratically. I know this will fix it. (Kde 4.3.5/Suse 11.2) Thank you |
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| 23:09.50 | kriko | Half-Left: yes, but home is something I like to keep clean |
| 23:10.07 | kriko | it's my home :> |
| 23:10.22 | kriko | not a windows configuration hell |
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| 23:11.24 | Half-Left | johnny69: Why not just create anew user account and get it from there? :p |
| 23:12.06 | kriko | or remove it and relogin |
| 23:12.13 | kriko | or restart powermanagement service |
| 23:12.21 | kriko | should recreate it probably |
| 23:12.34 | johnny69 | I'll try that then |
| 23:13.02 | johnny69 | What is the kio* to sync with the Ipod? |
| 23:13.35 | NaCl | IIRC there isn't one, libgpod is used |
| 23:13.38 | kriko | amarok uses libgpod |
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| 23:14.33 | xdr | kriko: not there... |
| 23:14.55 | NaCl | KDE has ipod syncing outside of amarok? |
| 23:14.59 | NaCl | listense |
| 23:15.01 | NaCl | *listens |
| 23:16.10 | kriko | I guess not |
| 23:16.45 | kriko | you can sync music to ipod, right? so it's kinda logic to be done with audio player |
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| 23:18.13 | johnny69 | hmmm, it appears there is more screwed up here than just a profile :( |
| 23:18.27 | thht | hi there and congrats to the 4.4 release :) |
| 23:20.43 | kriko | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eGL9HiI22k&feature=channel |
| 23:20.55 | xdr | wiie found it at last |
| 23:21.16 | thht | i have a question regarding the performance of the 4.4 release. i have evaluated the former 4.x releases, yet i wasnt able to run games like ET wolfenstein or tremulous smoothly(extrem stuttering) |
| 23:21.33 | thht | are these issues fixed? |
| 23:21.56 | thrice` | thht, that's not a KDE issue, but a graphics issue |
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| 23:22.15 | aseigo | thht: with or without desktop effects enabled, or both? |
| 23:22.18 | thht | thrice: these games run fine under any other desktop environment |
| 23:22.21 | kriko | thht: disable compositing before entering game |
| 23:22.28 | kriko | ctrl + shift + f12 |
| 23:22.32 | kriko | or d bus call |
| 23:22.34 | thht | i had disabled compositing: no effect |
| 23:22.40 | kriko | strange |
| 23:22.41 | aseigo | notes that kwin should be disabling them automatically when an app goes fullscreen ... |
| 23:22.42 | pinotree | (wasn't alt+shift+f12?) |
| 23:22.45 | kriko | works here fine |
| 23:22.46 | NaCl | kriko: it's alt,+shit+f2 |
| 23:22.48 | NaCl | *f12 |
| 23:22.49 | kriko | ok, ok |
| 23:22.50 | NaCl | pinotree: yeah |
| 23:22.51 | thht | i have a 8600gts nvidia |
| 23:22.54 | pinotree | \o/ |
| 23:23.03 | thrice` | ah, strange |
| 23:23.05 | kriko | qdbus org.kde.kwin /KWin toggleCompositing |
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| 23:23.15 | kriko | thht: mine is 7600GT |
| 23:23.21 | kriko | sims3 works almost as in windows |
| 23:23.25 | thht | kriko: do your games run fine? |
| 23:23.29 | kriko | yes |
| 23:23.35 | thht | hmmm :(( |
| 23:23.35 | NaCl | pinotree:know any reason why kdesu would simply "not work"? |
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| 23:23.43 | kriko | ut2004, sims3, ut 99 |
| 23:23.48 | kriko | I don't play other |
| 23:24.00 | aseigo | thht: troubleshooting question ... if you start a different window manager (e.g. blackbox or whatever), does it work better? if not, if you do `kuitapp plasma-desktop; kquitapp krunner` and then start your game, does it work better? |
| 23:24.03 | thht | well i would like to give 4.4 a try, with one of the next distro releases |
| 23:24.35 | NaCl | thht: you could also try to have wine manage the window, not KDE |
| 23:24.46 | thrice` | NaCl, works OK here wiht "kdesu firefox" on slackware -current + 4.4 |
| 23:25.03 | NaCl | I know. |
| 23:25.09 | NaCl | It did work fine a little while ago. |
| 23:25.13 | NaCl | Like two days or so. |
| 23:25.16 | NaCl | Now it just lags |
| 23:25.18 | kriko | NaCl: reboot? |
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| 23:25.26 | thht | aseigo: i run a gnome environment(debian stable) at the moment. when testing kde 4.x, gaming was disaster. it didnt matter if i used gnome or icewm or windowmaker, all others run very very smooth |
| 23:25.40 | NaCl | Eh... |
| 23:25.43 | NaCl | will try rebooting |
| 23:26.01 | NaCl | Thing is, I run kdesu <somecmd> and it just sits there |
| 23:26.48 | thht | aseigo: i know the kde team has fixed thousand of bugs in this release, performance is #1 on my wishlist |
| 23:26.56 | kriko | NaCl: same here on second machine |
| 23:27.04 | kriko | and on mine after I killed dbus |
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| 23:27.16 | thrice` | actually, 4.4 seems a little more sluggish than 4.3 to me |
| 23:27.21 | kriko | thht: kde 4.4 is quite performant |
| 23:27.26 | sreich | after you killed dbus? |
| 23:27.43 | kriko | sreich: dbus-daemon - running as root |
| 23:27.47 | kriko | it ate my cpu away |
| 23:27.52 | kriko | now kdesu doens't work |
| 23:28.02 | NaCl | No cpu use for me, it just lags. |
| 23:28.04 | Half-Left | All your CPUs are weak |
| 23:28.06 | sreich | thinks killing dbus is a *bad* idea |
| 23:28.08 | thht | kriko: maybe it is a distribution problem. i used to test KDE under Kubuntu, not a pleasant experience. maybe i should give SUSE a try |
| 23:28.19 | NaCl | reboots |
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| 23:28.34 | Dhraakellian | okay, so I just had my screen blank a couple times after no activity for about a minute, maybe a little longer |
| 23:28.43 | sreich | especially since many many applications use dbus. not sure if it autostarts when needed, or not |
| 23:28.49 | Dhraakellian | (was watching one of the videos in the release announcement) |
| 23:28.49 | Half-Left | All your KDEs are belonging to us |
| 23:28.59 | Dhraakellian | screensaver is disabled |
| 23:29.03 | Dhraakellian | so far as I know |
| 23:29.32 | thht | Half-Left: resistance is futile ;) |
| 23:29.37 | Dhraakellian | and (again so far as I recall) nowhere in the power management settings is there any time period less than 5 minutes |
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| 23:31.28 | TheGroove | Dhraakellian: xset -dpms |
| 23:31.47 | kriko | Dhraakellian: happened to me more than once |
| 23:31.56 | NaCl | Works now |
| 23:31.58 | kriko | screensaver just starts when watching a movie |
| 23:32.04 | kriko | and it is not set to start |
| 23:32.21 | thrice` | NaCl, perhaps dbus needed reloading or so |
| 23:32.28 | kriko | maybe it detects what kind of movie it is - bad one and it activates screensaver |
| 23:32.33 | Dhraakellian | TheGroove: systemsettings > Display > Power Control > [ ] Enable display power management? |
| 23:32.34 | Half-Left | thht: Yes so report to node 956 immediately for assimilation |
| 23:32.45 | TheGroove | Dhraakellian: not really the same, I think... |
| 23:32.48 | Half-Left | node 4.4 actually :p |
| 23:33.13 | Dhraakellian | none of the values in that settings screen are <15 min |
| 23:33.23 | TheGroove | xset -dpms is what I do and it turns off any blanking for X. |
| 23:33.26 | kriko | Dhraakellian: reboot or relogin, that will fix it |
| 23:33.41 | kriko | sometimes it goes mad |
| 23:34.00 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 23:34.08 | thrice` | isn't the jump in the default "wait before suspend time" a bit much, from 10 seconds -> 30 minutes? |
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| 23:34.10 | Dhraakellian | in the power management settings, I think I see where it mighbt be |
| 23:34.31 | TheGroove | There's tons of different kernel, X and KDE power settings, but I just want it to stop bothering me and that's what xset -dpms does. |
| 23:35.04 | thht | Half-Left: i want a chain-saw on my left hand! and dont forget the eye-implant! |
| 23:35.05 | Dhraakellian | Edit Profiles > Performance > Actions > [ ] Dim display when idle for more than [ 1 min ] |
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| 23:36.04 | Dhraakellian | ...don't think my ca.2004 desktop supports dimming like that |
| 23:36.57 | Dhraakellian | (and, yes, it was disabled, but I'm not sure if I've restarted KDE since the last time I was monkeying about in there) |
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| 23:39.16 | kriko | this thing exists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGHz04wMx58 |
| 23:41.51 | aseigo | notes that thht didn't actually answer his question |
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| 23:41.55 | aseigo | sighs |
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| 23:43.53 | kriko | what are the cool features waiting to be implemented in 4.5? |
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| 23:44.10 | sreich | world domination |
| 23:44.18 | kriko | apart from that |
| 23:44.56 | sreich | idk, but you'll likely hear about it on planetkde.org...which is the place to watch |
| 23:45.09 | sreich | as most devs who do features or bugs, or anything, blogl about it |
| 23:45.10 | sreich | *blog |
| 23:45.25 | kriko | damn, I always watched planet gnome |
| 23:45.28 | kriko | wrong planet I guess |
| 23:45.35 | sreich | yes :) |
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| 23:45.50 | Half-Left | kriko: Let me get my time machine out, I'll be back before bring back to tell you before being back |
| 23:46.05 | kriko | was? |
| 23:46.29 | Half-Left | I told you in the future |
| 23:46.38 | kriko | Such sentences gets stuc my brain in a loop |
| 23:46.49 | kriko | *stuck |
| 23:47.22 | Half-Left | 4.5 will be so fast, it will time travel |
| 23:47.26 | kriko | ah |
| 23:48.00 | kriko | a rant pointed out that there is a problem with plasma on laptops |
| 23:48.08 | kriko | as it eats too much battery |
| 23:48.38 | Half-Left | Better start writing bug reports then :) |
| 23:48.58 | kriko | I don't have a laptop |
| 23:49.03 | kriko | http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2010/02/07/why-i-wont-use-kde-4 |
| 23:50.08 | Vi0L0 | hello, is it possible to compile kmail without akonadi&nepomuk? |
| 23:50.09 | sreich | kriko: yeah, that "review" was in the smallest sense of the word... |
| 23:50.18 | sreich | take it with a grain of salt, I would.. |
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| 23:51.02 | kriko | it was posted on planet gnome |
| 23:51.05 | kriko | that makes me think |
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| 23:51.16 | Half-Left | He'll be back in 4.4 or 4.6 :p |
| 23:51.23 | Half-Left | 4.5* |
| 23:51.35 | Vi0L0 | i really loved kmail, and now it's dead... how can i turn this akonadi thing away from beloved kmail? |
| 23:51.45 | kriko | however some confirmed that plasma causes too much wakeups |
| 23:52.01 | kriko | Vi0L0: I think it's required, but not sure |
| 23:52.13 | Vi0L0 | kriko: thats sad :/ |
| 23:52.23 | kriko | Why? |
| 23:52.30 | meingbg | hi, I have a software programmable keyboard I'd like to plug into KDE. Any ideas on how to go about it?d |
| 23:52.38 | sreich | kriko: it is required, the desktop wouold be nothing without it |
| 23:52.54 | kriko | sreich: akonadi? |
| 23:52.55 | sreich | although you could just run kde apps inside another environment |
| 23:53.01 | sreich | oh |
| 23:53.02 | Vi0L0 | kriko: cuz i cannot start kmail... cuz of all that akonadi thing |
| 23:53.13 | sreich | kriko: didn't read backlog ;-) |
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| 23:53.17 | kriko | Vi0L0: you can disable akonadi |
| 23:53.23 | kriko | after installation |
| 23:53.40 | Vi0L0 | kriko: rly? in 4.4? where? |
| 23:53.53 | kriko | I use it since it is the new s*it, but krunner is crashing |
| 23:53.59 | kriko | using RC offcourse |
| 23:54.28 | kriko | Vi0L0: in systemsettings -> desktop search |
| 23:54.52 | icwiener | That would be Nepomuk, no? |
| 23:55.02 | daedaluz | okay the first question about KDE 4.4 before doing anything... what about KWin + fgrlx = window resizing? |
| 23:55.18 | Vi0L0 | kriko: naah, thats nepomuk, im not using that also |
| 23:55.36 | kriko | is there a clarification page about nepomuk, virtuoso, akonadi,,, I always get confused |
| 23:55.47 | kriko | daedaluz: bug report to ATI |
| 23:55.55 | kriko | broken drivers, works great on nvidia |
| 23:56.13 | kriko | fglrx is pure crap, tested a while ago |
| 23:56.15 | Vi0L0 | on open radeon also ;) |
| 23:56.23 | Vi0L0 | wokrs great |
| 23:56.28 | kriko | switching to vt kill computer |
| 23:56.33 | daedaluz | kriko: they can't be if everything else works just fine under ati binaries including compiz |
| 23:56.36 | NaCl | fglrx works for me |
| 23:56.47 | daedaluz | NaCl, try resizing |
| 23:56.56 | kriko | daedaluz: kwin uses other paths for rendering probably |
| 23:57.00 | NaCl | resizing? |
| 23:57.02 | kriko | and that path is slow in fglrx |
| 23:57.05 | NaCl | daedaluz: I am running xrandr. |
| 23:57.07 | NaCl | Works for me |
| 23:57.21 | kriko | yes, try xrandr backend |
| 23:57.29 | NaCl | I'm using it right now |
| 23:57.42 | kriko | what a wonderful idea |
| 23:57.51 | kriko | *xrender |
| 23:57.53 | Half-Left | Xrender you mean? |
| 23:57.58 | kriko | yes :> |
| 23:58.00 | NaCl | randr |
| 23:58.09 | Half-Left | rounder |
| 23:58.13 | Vi0L0 | ok so... is there anyone using kmail with 4.4 ? maybe i did something wrong... pls help |
| 23:58.28 | NaCl | I am using a radeon hd 5770 in slackware-current, dual screens, using fglrx. |
| 23:58.43 | NaCl | II couldn't get AMD's graphical config tool working, but krandr does |
| 23:58.43 | Half-Left | Xrender is actually smoother here for window resizing |
| 23:58.47 | icwiener | Vi0L0: What's the error? |
| 23:59.13 | icwiener | Vi0L0: Akonadi usually gives exhausting diagnostics output. |
| 23:59.26 | icwiener | *exhaustive :) |
| 23:59.47 | Vi0L0 | icwiener: http://hpaste.org/fastcgi/hpaste.fcgi/view?id=19009#a19009 |
