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| 00:14.25 | jvm | how is the kde configuration tool called? i am using gnome, and want to start just that. |
| 00:15.27 | kde_pepo | jvm, systemsettings |
| 00:15.48 | jvm | mhmmm. it should begin with a 'k'. |
| 00:17.06 | kde_pepo | yep, it should. |
| 00:18.06 | jvm | okay. so why the hell do i have to install another language for whole kde just to make konqueror send it as http identification? |
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| 00:26.36 | jvm | thanks kde_pepo for your help. |
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| 00:53.31 | kgx | question - are there going to be any more releases of kde 3.x? its just a random question, im already using kde 4 in one of my machines :) |
| 00:55.26 | mase_wk | kgx: it really depends on the need. No 'new' development is really going on in that branch. It's in maintenance mode |
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| 00:56.00 | mase_wk | If a whole bunch of patches go in for issues i guess a release will be made |
| 00:56.10 | kgx | ok..thanks |
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| 01:13.16 | eristik|huginn | can anyone tell me how to re-show a menu bar in an app; i've managed to close a couple on accident and can't get them back ;p |
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| 01:14.24 | kde_pepo | eristik|huginn, try Ctrl+M |
| 01:14.29 | eristik|huginn | thanks |
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| 01:24.52 | sputnick__ | hi there |
| 01:25.04 | sputnick__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:33.18 | lantizia | Anyone know how to make metal... less magnetic :) |
| 01:33.39 | sreich | heat it |
| 01:33.42 | sreich | hammer it |
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| 01:33.55 | sreich | do something to misalign the atomic magnets |
| 01:34.10 | lantizia | hmm... soldering iron and hammer :) |
| 01:34.36 | lantizia | trying to fix my cd-rom drive.. the top bit clings onto the bottom bit (through the hole in the cd) too much... so it won't eject |
| 01:35.22 | sreich | although that's really to turn a magnet into a non-magnet |
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| 01:36.59 | sputnick__ | resolved, needs "notification-daemon" |
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| 01:38.03 | decker | should I not expect file in my ~/Desktop folder to show up on the desktop anymore? |
| 01:38.48 | lantizia | decker: theres a widget for desktop - however I'd love to know how to get the old behaivour back |
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| 01:39.18 | sreich | lantizia: set desktop activity type to "folder view" |
| 01:39.45 | lantizia | aaaah! |
| 01:40.02 | lantizia | thanks :) |
| 01:41.11 | lantizia | sreich: if I was to make a KDE distro - is there a place I make all these settings (like a registry) globally for any newly created users? |
| 01:41.59 | sreich | oh my gosh please don't mention registry :D |
| 01:42.19 | lantizia | I only think registry becasue of gconf - I'm a gnome man until last week :) |
| 01:42.32 | FoxBlitzz | The Registry is terrible. The Registry is terrible. The Registry is terrible. God, don't EVER mention the Registry. |
| 01:42.38 | lantizia | I know! |
| 01:42.45 | FoxBlitzz | No, I'm actually serious. |
| 01:42.51 | lantizia | I know you are!, stfu! |
| 01:43.01 | FoxBlitzz | It's a terrible idea. One of Windows' biggest weaknesses. |
| 01:43.13 | lantizia | so perhaps kde has defaults set in /etc ? |
| 01:43.38 | lantizia | covering everything from default skin, window manager skin, desktop prefs, panel prefs etc |
| 01:43.51 | sreich | lantizia: why would you want to make your own distro? |
| 01:44.09 | FoxBlitzz | lantizia: Everything is stored in ~/.kde4, I believe |
| 01:44.17 | sreich | FoxBlitzz: reread question |
| 01:44.18 | lantizia | sreich: a) found an easy way to b) I find the apps that come with kde based distro's I always want to change |
| 01:44.27 | lantizia | FoxBlitzz: yeah :) have another go :P |
| 01:45.07 | lantizia | yay got my cd drive working :) |
| 01:45.08 | FoxBlitzz | No, I'm saying that naturally, there will be defaults in such a location because that's how they're store in the home directory |
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| 01:45.36 | lantizia | shows FoxBlitzz a corner to stand in |
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| 01:46.52 | McGui | hello, is there a special channel on freenode for the GSoC related to KDE, please? |
| 01:47.10 | sreich | #gsoc |
| 01:48.51 | McGui | yeah but this channel is general for all GSoC, my question is : has KDE community created a special channel for "their" GSoC, please? |
| 01:49.26 | sreich | negative |
| 01:49.31 | McGui | ok thanks |
| 01:51.12 | fredpyo | hi... one question... I have been reading on the net about a global menu applet for KDE3 (like Mac OS's)... does this still exist for KDE4? |
| 01:51.58 | mase_wk | fredpyo: don't think that feature has been made for kde4 yet |
| 01:52.59 | sreich | still? it was probably scrapped. I think there are some 3rd party ones available on kde-look though |
| 01:53.05 | fredpyo | how about this: http://frinring.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/mac-style-menubar-for-kde-4-and-others/ ? |
| 01:53.13 | fredpyo | I couldn't find a download anywhere... |
| 01:53.15 | sreich | oh |
| 01:53.31 | fredpyo | and a search in kde-apps for "global menu" doesn't return anything :S |
| 01:53.31 | sreich | sorry, I thought you meant the Mac OS X taskbar |
| 01:53.56 | fredpyo | just interested to try this out... and see if it actually is comfortable or not... |
| 01:54.11 | fredpyo | sreich: oh... no the current KDE4 taskbar is more than fine :D, thanks |
| 01:54.36 | fredpyo | btw, just updated to KDE4.4... it rocks |
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| 01:56.29 | lantizia | anyway you can reuse a launcher and a task manager icon together (i.e. "pin" an app to the panel like with win7) |
| 01:56.55 | sreich | sure, if that seems practical at all to you |
| 01:56.59 | sreich | doesn't like it |
| 01:57.18 | lantizia | makes less clutter... don't want both a Dolphin icon to launch it... and another icon to show it's running |
| 01:57.18 | sreich | but..I've never been a fan for grouping taskbar items |
| 01:57.36 | sreich | doesn't have any icons in his panels |
| 01:58.01 | sreich | night |
| 01:58.04 | lantizia | ni ni |
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| 02:15.58 | Daughain | Has anyone here heard of any bugs with the kubuntu-desktop install on 9.10? |
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| 02:24.49 | mase_wk | Daughain: can you be more specific? |
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| 02:26.10 | Daughain | I've been trying to install kde onto a fresh ubuntu install, and when I switch interfaces, kde refuses to shutdown, reboot, logout, etc. I have to switch to cl to do any of those. |
| 02:26.30 | Daughain | I've done 4 complete fresh installs all with the same result. |
| 02:27.01 | Daughain | The hd scans are good. |
| 02:29.33 | Daughain | ANy ideaS? |
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| 03:02.31 | robertzaccour | is kde 4.4 faster than gnome? |
| 03:03.32 | kdepepo | No. |
| 03:03.33 | mase_wk | robertzaccour: at something yes at others no |
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| 03:04.05 | robertzaccour | mase_wk, i meant faster at boot up, navigating, and running programs |
| 03:04.55 | kdepepo | Running programs does not depend on desktop environment... |
| 03:05.06 | mase_wk | robertzaccour: its probably not faster to boot up, navigating in both kde /gnome is fast enough that i can't tell the difference. In terms of applications it depends entirely on the app |
| 03:05.49 | robertzaccour | kopete/chrome/skype those apps? |
| 03:05.59 | kdepepo | If you want more speed, install Windows 3.11, that boots in less than a second :) |
| 03:06.22 | robertzaccour | kdepepo, i think i'll stick with Ubuntu lol |
| 03:06.42 | robertzaccour | don't get me wrong, windows does have its place here at home |
| 03:06.44 | mase_wk | robertzaccour: just try it and see |
| 03:07.25 | mase_wk | your desktop environment makes no difference to the speed of apps in general |
| 03:07.26 | robertzaccour | disc in the box the laptop came in. away from my disc drive. its shiny, secure, and out of the way :) |
| 03:07.50 | robertzaccour | mase_wk, oh, i thought that kde apps were supposed to be faster in kde |
| 03:08.03 | kdepepo | Ubuntu has the worst KDE implementation, it loads all kind of GNOME stuff still |
| 03:08.28 | kdepepo | And Python crap |
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| 03:10.02 | kdepepo | You gotta love Python ... it is interpreted stuff, worse than JavaScript (which is just-in-time compiled today) |
| 03:10.48 | robertzaccour | kdepepo, but thats just looks, not performance correct? |
| 03:11.13 | kdepepo | ? |
| 03:11.48 | Daughain | kdepepo: Depends on what ya like. I cant stand the default kde app, so loading the ubuntu defaults make me happy. :P |
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| 03:26.52 | mase_wk | kdepepo: no python is interpreted once |
| 03:27.15 | mase_wk | it is is then compiled to .pyc |
| 03:27.27 | mase_wk | which is like bytecode i guess you could say |
| 03:27.29 | kdepepo | that's no machine code, dude :) |
| 03:27.41 | mase_wk | no but neither is javascript |
| 03:27.56 | mase_wk | the performance of python is for most things far greater than javascript |
| 03:27.59 | kdepepo | WebKits JavaScript engine compiles to x86 machine code |
| 03:28.30 | kdepepo | And with Qt 4.6, you get that engine in QtScript, too. |
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| 03:29.40 | mase_wk | squirrelfish, although compiling to machine code , is still much slower in most cases |
| 03:30.43 | mase_wk | also, that only occurs for x86 as you mentioned |
| 03:31.02 | mase_wk | that doesn't occur for PPC , sparc, arm etc.. |
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| 03:32.47 | mase_wk | besides, the majority of work done in python/javascript/ruby etc.. within the KDE environment is handled by qt it's self |
| 03:34.00 | robertzaccour | i'm not sure what all that means lol |
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| 03:55.06 | kkb110 | I think that left or right panel should be default because monitors these days are usually wide |
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| 03:56.43 | kkb110 | http://dancingwhale.linuxstudy.pe.kr/kdewide.png |
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| 03:59.35 | FoxBlitzz | kkb110: I dunno, I think the default should be something that must users are accustomed to |
| 04:00.27 | FoxBlitzz | kkb110: Also, I kinda like being able to see enough of the label to be able to tell what it is :P |
| 04:01.17 | kkb110 | I really agree on the first one.. but maybe something to consider for the future? (I think it's better) |
| 04:01.27 | kkb110 | secondone... hm.. |
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| 04:03.18 | FoxBlitzz | kkb110: Besides, it's not consistent behavior. A user will install KDE on a different system and be confused as to why the panel is suddenly like that |
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| 04:07.27 | kkb110 | FoxBlitzz: but that goes same for netbook kde and desktop kde... I think it's ok to have different layouts depends on his/her monitor resolution (small/big/wide/narrow).... but maybe bottom/left panel is too much |
| 04:08.35 | FoxBlitzz | kkb110: A user usually installs a netbook spin because they choose to. Here, we're talking changing the orientation of the panel without the user's knowledge. |
| 04:08.53 | FoxBlitzz | It won't make sense. It'd seem almost random. |
| 04:09.27 | kkb110 | ok.. |
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| 04:11.34 | EmoSpice | I'm looking to span one wallpaper across two monitors, but google isn't reporting anything useful. I'm afraid that this isn't currently possible because of the fact that I've got two 'desktop activities' (though both are the set to the same type). Have I missed something or am I correct that this cannot be done currently? |
| 04:14.10 | FoxBlitzz | EmoSpice: I'd submit it as a wishlist item if I were you |
| 04:15.40 | EmoSpice | FoxBlitzz: Are you saying that this is definitely not possible? If yes, I'll certainly submit this as a wishlist item. |
| 04:16.20 | FoxBlitzz | Though it could be a limitation of Plasma. Not sure, really... |
| 04:16.26 | EmoSpice | ah |
| 04:16.49 | FoxBlitzz | I recall them once saying that they wouldn't implement stretching a panel across multiple screens |
| 04:17.11 | EmoSpice | I'm reading through a mailinglist post that concerns the wallpaper / desktop topic as we speak |
| 04:17.16 | FoxBlitzz | Not really sure why/what the status is on that, if the situation's changed at all. I think the design process has opened up a little bit since 4.1 |
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| 04:17.28 | EmoSpice | (of course, I found it AFTER I asked the question here...) |
| 04:17.41 | FoxBlitzz | EmoSpice: Link? |
| 04:17.52 | EmoSpice | oops |
| 04:18.04 | EmoSpice | http://www.pubbs.net/kde/200912/58979/ |
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| 04:58.31 | Daughain | Anyone have any guesses why a fresh install of ubuntu 9.10 w/KDE fails on the logout/shutdown/restart buttons? |
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| 05:00.27 | concha | does anybody know what to put on the CMake find_package line to use qt's phonon? |
| 05:00.47 | oneforall | darn why would the notifier and even dolphin not show the usb stick/hd . udev shows them but it not syncing with kde |
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| 05:18.10 | lantizia | Can I remove both the panel and desktop plasma half spheres? |
| 05:18.22 | lantizia | theres other way to get to those settings without those icons being on the screen |
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| 06:30.26 | robertzaccour | is kde wallet really necessary to use? |
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| 06:31.23 | urkud_ | If you don't want KDE to remember your passwords, no. |
| 06:31.49 | urkud_ | But you'll need to re-type your password every time. |
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| 06:48.20 | robertzaccour | which netbook plasma package is needed? there's a bunch of them |
| 06:48.24 | robertzaccour | for kubuntu |
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| 07:04.53 | robertzaccour | which netbook plasma package is needed? there's a bunch of them |
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| 07:26.54 | urkud_ | Ask on kubuntu channel |
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| 07:27.34 | Daughain | I see that answer more than any other in here..... |
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| 07:28.15 | urkud_ | He asks about package name. This is definitely distro-specific. |
| 07:28.35 | urkud_ | OK, I can answer "compile 4.4.1 from sources, netbook is included ;)" |
| 07:29.02 | Daughain | COuld ask what distro too. |
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| 07:31.09 | urkud_ | doesn't use kubuntu and knows nothing kubuntu-specific like package names |
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| 07:33.00 | Daughain | instals KDE after doing an ubuntu install. |
| 07:33.13 | Daughain | I couldnt tell you package names either. =) |
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| 07:39.07 | hevauq | anyone using KDE with fedora? |
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| 07:51.16 | Kunalagon | Hello. I think I have some strange, or it is maybe normal issue, with Dolphin, I think. Namely, I open some folder with Dolphin, and I have some videos in it, for example 10 videos, and I open/play one videos at a time using kaffeine, or dragon player, or maybe mplayer then I exit player, and after that I open next video (I am openig videos just to check what is on it) and exit program again, and I repeat that operation, for example, 8 times. I noticed th |
| 07:52.22 | urkud_ | Kunalagon: The last symbols that were shown: "I noticed th" |
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| 07:53.02 | Kunalagon | oh, you did not receive all, or irc cutting |
| 07:53.12 | Kunalagon | I noticed that memory usage jumps to maximimu, step by step as I am opening videos, in the beginig I have about 600 MB used, and after open-close about 8 videos memory raised to full 3,8 GB (and I have 4GB). Does somebody knows something about, maybe? |
| 07:53.57 | urkud_ | KDE version? Which process eats memory? |
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| 07:55.07 | Kunalagon | urkud_: kde 4.4.1 , I think plasma eats that |
| 07:55.22 | urkud_ | Why do you think so? |
| 07:55.23 | Kunalagon | but just from Dolphin, not from Konqueror |
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| 07:55.42 | Kunalagon | I checked that with kde System Monitor urkud_ |
| 07:56.18 | Kunalagon | when I am using koqueror, I opend 100 videos, and memory stays about normal about 500-650 MB |
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| 08:00.01 | tsdh | Hi. Is there a way to disable the possibility to shutdown the system via the kmenu temporary? (When I ssh into my fathers system to admin it, he must not be able to shut down.) |
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| 08:06.25 | urkud_ | tsdh: KDE sends some d-bus signal. Change d-bus system policies and let d-bus reload config. |
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| 08:10.05 | tsdh | urkud_: Thanks for the pointer, I'll read that up. |
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| 08:27.05 | syli725 | mgraesslin, may I ask you one question? if I modify a existing svg file for Aurorae theme, I can not see the change until logout and login again. Is there any workaround or this? restart Aurorae engine somehow? |
| 08:27.22 | syli725 | s/or/for/ |
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| 08:28.42 | EugenMayer | Hello guys. Trying to get kdevelop(beta8) working on ubuntu. Getting a segmentation fault according to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206775 ... starting kdevelop with "MALLOC_CHECK=1 kdevelop" does not seem to fix it. Any ideas? |
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| 08:30.59 | urkud_ | EugenMayer: Why beta8? AFAIK, current version is beta9. |
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| 08:31.21 | EugenMayer | urkud_: got them from ppa, let me check |
| 08:31.43 | EugenMayer | urkud_: ii kdevelop 4:3.9.99-0ubuntu1~ppa3~karmic0drdanz1 integrated development environment for KDE |
| 08:31.55 | EugenMayer | seems like its the 9 or, 4.3.9 |
| 08:32.13 | EugenMayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.13 | EugenMayer | Qt: 4.6.2 |
| 08:32.13 | EugenMayer | KDE Development Platform: 4.4.1 (KDE 4.4.1) |
| 08:32.13 | EugenMayer | KDevelop: 3.9.99 |
| 08:32.54 | urkud_ | OK. I'm not a KDE developer, so can't help. Just thought that you're using old version. |
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| 08:34.43 | ngong | have problems with my kde 4.4.3 installion od Debian SID: lets take one problem: shouldn't the the Konsol program remember what tabs or subwindows were active from last time it was closed? Where is such information stored? |
| 08:34.53 | ngong | od <- on |
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| 08:37.53 | urkud_ | ngong: Where have you found KDE SC 4.4.3? |
| 08:38.29 | ngong | urkud_: it was included with Sidux dist |
| 08:38.56 | urkud_ | Current version is 4.4.1 |
| 08:39.18 | urkud_ | 4.4.3 does not exist |
| 08:40.01 | urkud_ | And yes, konsole doesn't remember open tabs. |
| 08:41.16 | Kunalagon | he means 4.3.4 |
| 08:41.30 | ngong | urkud_: mom got to reboot |
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| 08:46.24 | ngong | urkud_: sorry, you're right, if I do a dpkg -l, I get 4:4.3.4 as a version, that is 4.3.4 for kde, right? |
| 08:48.18 | urkud_ | Yes. |
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| 08:49.12 | geflei | syli: try something like "kwin --replace &" on the commandline |
| 08:49.15 | ngong | urkud_: any idea why kde does not store some things, e.g. the Konsole session info for startup next time? |
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| 08:51.16 | scorpius_ | Kpowersave: Lock screen with: (a) Kscreensaver, (b) Xscreensaver, (c) xlock. anyone knows what the differences are? (KDE 3.5.10) |
| 08:51.41 | ngong | urkud_: other things are: I can not add something to the menu, I can not change shortcut settings ... |
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| 09:04.07 | urkud_ | I can change all shortcut settings |
| 09:04.15 | urkud_ | In Configure -> Shortcuts |
| 09:04.23 | urkud_ | In any program |
| 09:04.38 | urkud_ | (Or settings -> shortcuts) |
| 09:04.53 | urkud_ | I use translated version, don't remember English strings |
| 09:05.12 | urkud_ | And you can add anything you want to the menu |
| 09:05.37 | urkud_ | Right click on the menu, and choose "Edit menu" |
| 09:05.46 | urkud_ | (If you're talking about K menu) |
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| 09:11.16 | datenritter | hmm, the knetworkmanager (the one with the fancy new mobile symbol) ignores all the wireless-key entries in my kwallet. is that normal? |
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| 09:14.34 | ars1 | how do i change colour of main panel ? |
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| 09:17.21 | GNU\colossus | how does KDE 4 decide whether or not OpenGL compositing works, or not? :p |
| 09:17.41 | GNU\colossus | since upgrading Mesa yesterday, kwin won't let me enable OpenGL desktop effects any more |
| 09:17.49 | GNU\colossus | whilst all other GL apps work perfectly fine still |
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| 09:18.32 | lmurray | GNU\colossus: KWin tests it by trying to actually draw something to the screen. If it fails to render anything then it prevents the user from getting a useless screen of garbage. |
| 09:19.18 | ars1 | where to change colour of my panel ? |
| 09:20.35 | GNU\colossus | lmurray: how can I figure out what's the underlying cause of that? |
| 09:20.52 | lmurray | GNU\colossus: KWin terminal output |
| 09:21.57 | GNU\colossus | lmurray: ok, I think I got it! |
| 09:22.02 | GNU\colossus | WARNING: Application calling GLX 1.3 function "glXQueryDrawable" when GLX 1.3 is not supported! This is an application bug! |
| 09:22.07 | GNU\colossus | is what I get, amongst others |
| 09:22.10 | lmurray | Nope, that's not it |
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| 09:22.21 | lmurray | That's a fake Mesa warning |
| 09:22.27 | lmurray | They think it's our fault but it's not |
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| 09:22.42 | GNU\colossus | kwin(4710): Compositing self-check failed, disabling compositing. |
| 09:22.43 | GNU\colossus | kwin(4710): Failed to initialize compositing, compositing disabled |
| 09:22.48 | GNU\colossus | is all I get from kwin |
| 09:22.53 | GNU\colossus | not exactly verbose |
| 09:23.06 | lmurray | Enable debug messages by enabling zone 1212 in kdebugdialog |
| 09:23.25 | GNU\colossus | will I have to restart kwin to make that change active? |
| 09:23.36 | lmurray | Yes |
| 09:23.39 | lmurray | kwin --replace |
| 09:23.44 | GNU\colossus | yup, I know :) |
| 09:24.02 | GNU\colossus | I'll try in a minute, breakfast is calling right now |
| 09:24.16 | GNU\colossus | thanks very much for your useful input! |
| 09:24.36 | GNU\colossus | in fact I'm so used to compositing by now, I don't think I can stand this much longer… hope I'll be able to track down where it breaks |
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| 09:28.58 | GNU\colossus | brb |
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| 09:37.23 | GNU\colossus | I guess that's what's really the problem: "kwin(3157) KWin::SceneOpenGL::initRenderingContext: Couldn't initialize rendering context ("error: GLXBadContextTag[171], request: <unknown>[153], resource: 0x1403b9f")" |
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| 09:43.38 | GNU\colossus | differential diagnosis! |
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| 09:47.04 | GNU\colossus | lmurray: does that tell you anything? |
| 09:47.19 | lmurray | Broken driver |
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| 10:32.21 | EugenMayer | hello. Is there a way to define new mime-types in kdevelop so i can set the formatting used |
| 10:32.37 | EugenMayer | i would also like to let .inc and .module files to be opened with the php "editor" |
| 10:35.45 | pprkut | liquidat: ping |
| 10:36.02 | liquidat | pprkut: Pong |
| 10:37.18 | pprkut | liquidat: hey. I saw on fedora's cvs that you had a patch for audex to compile on 4.4. Unfortunately I can't find it anywhere. Do you still have it handy somewhere? |
| 10:40.05 | liquidat | pprkut: Just download the srpm and get the patch form there. |
| 10:41.09 | liquidat | pprkut: But to make it short: |
| 10:41.21 | liquidat | http://pastebin.com/jVXEj2rM |
| 10:41.24 | liquidat | pprkut: ^ |
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| 10:44.10 | pprkut | hah, I didn't expect it to be that simple :D |
| 10:44.19 | pprkut | liquidat: thanks! :) |
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| 10:45.42 | liquidat | pprkut: You're welcome :) |
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| 11:37.09 | nickfennell | hihihihi |
| 11:37.21 | nickfennell | Is there a krunner/gnome-do alternative |
| 11:38.33 | bastiand1 | launchy |
| 11:38.46 | nickfennell | hmm launchy |
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| 11:38.48 | nickfennell | ok |
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| 11:58.13 | GNU\colossus | http://www.highcharts.com/demo/?example=scatter&theme=default - clicking a link in the menu on the left border of the screen makes my konqueror (4.4.1) segfault, can anyone reproduce? |
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| 12:03.30 | surfhai | hi |
| 12:03.50 | surfhai | is kde using s2ram if it is configured when I hit the button suspend? |
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| 12:09.58 | GNU\colossus | surfhai: that's what it does for me |
| 12:10.30 | surfhai | is there a way to use s2both? |
| 12:10.42 | surfhai | on suspend? |
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| 12:18.56 | cb400f | GNU\colossus: but it uses a bunch of abstractions don't it? ... solid -> HAL .. whatnot ? |
| 12:19.37 | cb400f | had a period where s2ram worked fine but suspending via kde wouldn't resume |
| 12:20.17 | GNU\colossus | probably |
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| 12:23.33 | nickfennell | damn |
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| 12:23.39 | nickfennell | is there no easy way of installing this |
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| 12:27.12 | ngong | what could be the cause that I'm not able to add a new element with menu-edit? I can delete one, but not add it. No error message. Is there any logging to look at? |
| 12:27.27 | ngong | kde 4.3.4 |
| 12:27.33 | ngong | on Debian SID |
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| 12:44.02 | Akshay | how to reinstall kde desktop from fedora 11 |
| 12:45.10 | cb400f | first of all you should ask that in a fedora channel.. second of, why would you do that |
| 12:45.22 | cb400f | perhaps what you actually want is to return to default settings? |
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| 13:26.01 | thrice` | anyone familiar with kwin effects? on my intel card, mesa 7.5/7.6 = effects automagically enabled; mesa 7.7 = off by default, but can be turned on; mesa 7.8 = off by default and CAN'T be turned on. |
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| 13:26.52 | thrice` | I don't think mesa is to blame, because my x.org logs indicate everything is fine with 7.8, DRI2 is enabled and active, and the server runs quite well |
| 13:28.00 | lmurray | thrice`: Enable zone 1212 in kdebugdialog and then pastebin.ca the output of "kwin --replace" please. |
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| 13:28.45 | thrice` | sorry, I'm at work now :> just poking around if it's just unique to me, or if others hit it as well |
| 13:29.40 | lmurray | thrice`: You're not the first |
| 13:30.23 | lmurray | GNU\colossus: What driver are you using? |
| 13:30.41 | thrice` | i tried hacking kwinrc manually in ~, but it just flickers and they get disabled upon starting. I'm not attempting to use gallium or anything fancy, either |
| 13:31.03 | snuggl | thrice`: same here |
| 13:31.04 | Dice-Man | kwinrc is crypted in serpent |
| 13:31.11 | snuggl | cant turn on composting in kwin anymore |
| 13:31.14 | snuggl | sice updating |
| 13:31.14 | lmurray | thrice`: If you're experiencing what everyone else is getting then it's a driver fault |
| 13:31.20 | snuggl | works nice with compiz |
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| 13:31.37 | mardi_soir | Hello |
| 13:31.53 | thrice` | lmurray, are you sure? I've tried intel 2.10, a 2.11 snapshot, as well as 2.11 pulled from git |
| 13:32.28 | thrice` | snuggl, mesa as well? |
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| 13:32.34 | thrice` | er, since updating mesa* |
| 13:32.39 | GNU\colossus | lmurray: intel 2.10 |
| 13:32.58 | snuggl | thrice`: i dont know what package it was, but its a common issue |
| 13:33.35 | lmurray | Can any of you try KDE trunk? |
| 13:34.01 | snuggl | sure |
| 13:34.08 | lmurray | I don't have an Intel card so I can't test the new detection code |
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| 13:34.51 | xxtjaxx | no mpyne .. |
| 13:35.08 | annma | he is not awake probably |
| 13:35.18 | xxtjaxx | yeo |
| 13:35.21 | xxtjaxx | p |
| 13:35.25 | annma | so is there a doc for this kdesvn-build* |
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| 13:36.33 | thrice` | use kde trunk? no :> |
| 13:36.45 | thrice` | I'm on 4.4.1 |
| 13:37.18 | GNU\colossus | same here |
| 13:37.48 | GNU\colossus | linux 2.6.33.1, Intel 2.10, Mesa 7.8-rc1, Xorg server 1.7.5.902 |
| 13:37.56 | GNU\colossus | on x86_64 |
| 13:38.00 | xxtjaxx | yep tryin to build kdes trunk with qt-copy no avail so far |
| 13:38.50 | thrice` | I've used 2.6.33 with all of my experiments, intel 2.10, 2.11 (from git master), mesa 7.8-rc1, and x-server 1.7.5 |
| 13:39.07 | thrice` | mesa 7.6 works, 7.7 works (but not by default), 7.8-rc1 doesn't work at all |
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| 13:39.23 | thrice` | however, the server runs beautifully with 7.8, and compositing in XFCE works fine |
| 13:39.26 | annma | xxtjaxx: is there this doc online so I can look at this qt issue |
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| 13:40.57 | Yagami | thrice`: works perfectly here , expecially with 2.10.902 and 2.6.33 |
| 13:41.06 | thrice` | Yagami, which mesa? |
| 13:41.14 | Yagami | 7.7 , i think |
| 13:41.31 | thrice` | er, did you read what I typed? :) |
| 13:41.53 | Yagami | thrice`: i dont understand is what you mean ( but not by default ) |
| 13:41.59 | xxtjaxx | annma: here is the basic info for it http://kdesvn-build.kde.org/ |
| 13:42.02 | Yagami | thrice`: in there ... er... default works :) |
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| 13:42.24 | thrice` | it means, that on a fresh profile, kde starts up without the effects enabled on their own |
| 13:42.42 | Yagami | hum... weird |
| 13:42.51 | Yagami | i can try mesa 7.8 rc1 |
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| 13:43.00 | thrice` | lmurray, you're implying there is new detection code in 4.5? |
| 13:43.26 | vHanda | Hi. I was trying to set up a custom keyboard layout using xmodmap. But none of the kde apps seem to recognize it. Konsole however does. |
| 13:43.35 | vHanda | Does anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 13:44.18 | lmurray | thrice`: Well it's not really new detection code, it just sets up one variable differently |
| 13:44.24 | lmurray | Which may or break stuff |
| 13:44.41 | lmurray | It's a massive hack, but it should be better than what's already in older version |
| 13:44.56 | thrice` | does setting compositing to true specifically in kwinrc still use the detection code? |
| 13:45.04 | thrice` | because I couldn't get that to work either |
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| 13:45.19 | annma | xxtjaxx: pastebin the .kdesvn-buildrc section relevant to qt as well as where you have this qt-copy clone |
| 13:45.30 | lmurray | The only way to disable this certain piece of code is to run KWin from the terminal with "KWIN_DIRECT_GL=1 kwin --replace &" |
| 13:45.45 | lmurray | Which I guess you could try in 4.4 |
| 13:46.16 | thrice` | as exciting as building kde from trunk sounds (I hope you were joking :> ), I guess I'll have to disable effects until 4.5 |
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| 13:48.40 | thrice` | and, no chance of a fix for 4.4.2 or so? |
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| 13:52.16 | lmurray | thrice`: Nothing is planned due to lack of developer time |
| 13:52.35 | xxtjaxx | annma: first here my kdesvn-buildrc http://pastebin.ca/1843544 |
| 13:52.47 | lmurray | thrice`: Does running KWin with that command line work? |
| 13:53.40 | thrice` | so, you plan to leave every intel user without effects ? |
| 13:53.40 | thrice` | I'm not on my linux machine now, as I'm at work |
| 13:53.40 | lmurray | thrice`: Well Intel cards worked perfectly fine when 4.4.0 was released |
| 13:53.55 | xxtjaxx | annma: and here is the dir listing http://pastebin.ca/1843546 |
| 13:54.05 | thrice` | GNU\colossus, does that kwin command work for you? |
| 13:55.16 | thrice` | lmurray, "perfectly" is an overstatement, but they worked |
| 13:55.18 | Yagami | i have kde 4.4 branch svn just compiled some hours ago , all seems fine. i am compiling mesa 7.8rc1 ... report back in some minutes |
| 13:55.25 | annma | xxtjaxx: in what dir are those subdirs? |
| 13:55.55 | Yagami | lmurray: there seemed to be a shadow plugin bug with intel drivers 2.10.0 , but seems fixed in 2.10.902 |
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| 13:59.52 | xxtjaxx | annma: its in the kdedir specified in kdesvn-buildrc see first link |
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| 14:00.57 | annma | xxtjaxx: if I ask I have reason to |
| 14:01.19 | annma | you already ran the script if you have all those |
| 14:01.34 | annma | building manually is less pain than this |
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| 14:02.28 | freinhar1 | hi! |
| 14:02.38 | xxtjaxx | freinhar1: hi |
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| 14:02.48 | freinhar1 | how do i find out which charset dolphin used to mount a usb drive (ext3) |
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| 14:03.51 | freinhar1 | looks like it used the wrong. it used to be a kubuntu 9.10 installation, so it should have used utf8. since umlauts are screwed now i think there's something wrong |
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| 14:04.00 | xxtjaxx | annma: yes because I did it manually it worked befor but I would like to have it in sync and properly done by a predefined way such as in kdesvn-build |
| 14:04.33 | annma | teh techbase doc has also a script |
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| 14:04.44 | annma | and at least we can give support for it |
| 14:05.10 | freinhar1 | and if somebody sees peter penz: poke him to make dolphins errormessages readable, on 1024 they usually get cut! (bad usabillity) |
| 14:05.18 | annma | pastebin the run of kdesvn-build from beginning to stop |
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| 14:05.39 | annma | freinhar1: make a bug report with screenshot |
| 14:05.49 | annma | what you say here is lost |
| 14:05.55 | freinhar1 | narf no time atm |
| 14:06.02 | annma | well then |
| 14:06.08 | freinhar1 | then it is untill i get bored again ;) |
| 14:06.09 | annma | as I said it's lost here |
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| 14:06.30 | miasma | is there some report on where the developer time on kde is spent? |
| 14:06.53 | annma | miasma: developer time? |
| 14:07.04 | xxtjaxx | annma: tada http://pastebin.ca/1843557 |
| 14:07.12 | miasma | annma: i mean how many developers there are and how it is distributed among subprojects |
| 14:07.18 | miasma | who work full-time etc |
| 14:07.25 | annma | how many svn accounts is public |
| 14:07.31 | miasma | it doesn't tell much |
| 14:07.43 | annma | svn commits tell more |
| 14:07.46 | miasma | yea |
| 14:07.54 | annma | what is it for? |
| 14:08.04 | miasma | i'm just wondering e.g. how productive qt & c++ are |
| 14:08.23 | miasma | so e.g. how much time needs to be spent on programs like kwrite |
| 14:08.27 | annma | "productive"? |
| 14:08.39 | annma | what for are you wondering that |
| 14:08.44 | annma | just for you? |
| 14:09.05 | miasma | i guess it might be interesting also for many other folks |
| 14:09.25 | miasma | well, the amount of time spent on kde has raised some concerns. there's lots of stuff to study |
| 14:09.50 | miasma | seeing how actively projects are developed would explain a lot of things |
| 14:09.53 | xxtjaxx | miasma: something like a profuctivity and speed of development study isnt it? |
| 14:09.57 | miasma | xxtjaxx: yea. |
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| 14:10.13 | miasma | xxtjaxx: i mostly see praise about qt & c++ in the blogs. but no critical studies |
| 14:10.14 | annma | miasma: this is serious work, not just a 2 minute question |
| 14:10.16 | xxtjaxx | miasma: who are youir target languages c++ vs C#? |
| 14:10.36 | miasma | xxtjaxx: well i'd like to compare against other frameworks. like gnome & vala, or windows |
| 14:10.38 | annma | miasma: and we are a Bazzar |
| 14:10.43 | miasma | or other free desktops |
| 14:11.28 | xxtjaxx | miasma is this for a report for your manager? |
| 14:11.32 | miasma | annma: yea, that makes it a bit difficult to analyze. to me kde is a major foss project so there's some pressure to also publish functional products with good overall usability and low bug count |
| 14:11.34 | EugenMayer | milian: do you have a second? Iam a PHP developer and trying to switch over from Eclipse to Kdevelop. I have installed the current beta and iam pretty impressed about the git integration and the perforamce ( autocompletition ) and the systen-highlighting quality. Really good job here. |
| 14:11.39 | miasma | xxtjaxx: no, it's just my hobby |
| 14:11.41 | annma | make a few studies first and then bring your questions to some mailing list miasma |
| 14:11.55 | miasma | annma: ok |
| 14:12.02 | annma | scan commits, define how you want to reasearch |
| 14:12.10 | annma | what timeframe and such |
| 14:12.12 | miasma | aye |
| 14:12.32 | EugenMayer | milian: but iam having trouble with the function "registration" (auto builder). It seems like some functions are simply not found, eventhough they are defined in the project. Those functions are then marked as "some errors here" |
| 14:12.34 | annma | then come back to me (annma at kde dot org) and I'll point you the best mailing list |
| 14:12.38 | EugenMayer | milian: do you have an idea? |
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| 14:12.50 | miasma | annma: I guess the bazaar like dev model makes tracking of developer time with trac like interfaces impossible |
| 14:13.00 | annma | there's some pressure from whom? |
| 14:13.13 | miasma | annma: the ordinary users who expect functional software |
| 14:13.29 | annma | we deliver functional software |
| 14:13.50 | annma | at least as functional as other same products (even more functional than Windows) |
| 14:14.01 | miasma | annma: kde4 is damn buggy. some argue that you should get a basic set of functionality up first with very low bug count. and only after that focus on new features |
| 14:14.09 | annma | lol |
| 14:14.32 | annma | how is your study related to kde4 being 'buggy' |
| 14:14.43 | annma | damn buggy: I would say Vista is |
| 14:14.55 | annma | this is al vaporwords miasma |
| 14:15.14 | miasma | annma: well probably all large scale projects are buggy, but in kde the corners aren't very polished |
| 14:15.19 | annma | you're not in the road of doing a study here |
| 14:15.20 | milian | EugenMayer: #kdevelop please |
| 14:15.25 | miasma | annma: it's also the fault of some distributions |
| 14:15.30 | annma | the corners |
| 14:15.32 | annma | bah |
| 14:15.37 | annma | stop being vague |
| 14:15.42 | miasma | e.g. kaffeine in latest kubuntu crashes every time you close it |
| 14:15.50 | miasma | that's a serious QA problem |
| 14:15.50 | annma | get bug reports to bugs.kde.org |
| 14:15.54 | annma | come on |
| 14:16.03 | annma | who cares about kafeine |
| 14:16.20 | annma | kaffeine is not used anymore for ages |
| 14:16.36 | miasma | annma: it's probably the only kde program that provides dvb playback? |
| 14:16.46 | miasma | and there's a new kde4 version in kubuntu |
| 14:17.25 | snuggl | imho the lock screen issue is the biggest problem |
| 14:17.38 | annma | is it? Dragon Player does not? |
| 14:18.14 | pinotree | miasma: the kde4 version of kaffine is still not stable yet, so if kubuntu ships it by default it is kubuntu's issue, not ours |
| 14:18.16 | freinhar1 | kaffeine, best media player ever! |
| 14:18.19 | annma | anyway this is work in progress with VLC |
| 14:18.26 | annma | forget kaffeine |
| 14:18.33 | freinhar1 | loves kaffeine |
| 14:18.48 | miasma | annma: it's odd that you recommend a gtk app |
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| 14:19.19 | miasma | that raises another question. why should one use kde if the stable applications work more seamlessly in e.g. xfce/gnome |
| 14:19.39 | annma | and don't report each issue you have here |
| 14:19.39 | annma | bugs.kde.org is whezre crashes are to be reported |
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| 14:19.40 | freinhar1 | any dvb-t/s/s2 hardware plug it in and kaffeine will do the trick. forget dragon vlc and all the other stuff ;) |
| 14:19.41 | annma | miasma: work in progress to make it a Qt one |
| 14:19.47 | pinotree | miasma: VLC is a *qt application |
| 14:20.05 | annma | miasma: use whatever you want |
| 14:20.08 | miasma | pinotree: oh ok, sorry then. i didn't realize |
| 14:20.25 | annma | and more integrationis on the way |
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| 14:20.45 | miasma | annma: some basic functionality should be part of the test suite for each application. e.g. closing cleanly |
| 14:20.53 | annma | sure |
| 14:21.02 | annma | anyway start your study and mail me about it |
| 14:21.07 | miasma | k |
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| 14:24.40 | annma | if you're in Finland you can also come and see KDE "live" at Akademy in July miasma |
| 14:25.02 | miasma | akademy is here this year? |
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| 14:25.50 | rdale_ | we're bringing our bugs with us |
| 14:26.00 | annma | lol |
| 14:26.01 | miasma | annma: if you're interested, the main idea is to evaluate some parts of kde development process & toolchain and use that knowledge to built something better. i'm not arguing kde is that bad. it will eventually get there and it's one of the best environments for personal computers. |
| 14:26.27 | annma | feel free to evaluate |
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| 14:26.31 | svuorela | miasma: akademy is in tampere. akademy.kde.org. |
| 14:26.33 | pinotree | "to build something better" == ? |
| 14:26.48 | miasma | svuorela: cool |
| 14:26.53 | do0ob | lol |
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| 14:27.09 | miasma | pinotree: safer, less buggy, faster to implement |
| 14:27.18 | do0ob | i read what pinotree said i started wondering where ? was set |
| 14:27.19 | annma | too bad enterprizes and unis use KDE, theymust be fools |
| 14:27.23 | xxtjaxx | annma: afaics this is really only an update issue building it with --no-svn is fine |
| 14:27.25 | miasma | annma: no, they're not |
| 14:27.34 | miasma | annma: there's nothing better available |
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| 14:27.41 | annma | uh? |
| 14:27.50 | pinotree | miasma: what you said is exactly like a promo guy: all words cloud and no actual substance |
| 14:27.53 | annma | OS X is nt better? |
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| 14:28.15 | miasma | annma: no? depends on one's needs |
| 14:28.22 | xxtjaxx | miasma: So you try to learn from our failures and try to do it better in a propieatary fashion? |
| 14:28.32 | miasma | annma: i'm sure large corporations have studied the issues of all available environments |
| 14:28.38 | annma | so if nobody achieve better we can be very proud |
| 14:28.44 | annma | no need to make a study |
| 14:28.49 | miasma | xxtjaxx: no. what makes you think that? |
| 14:29.29 | xxtjaxx | miasma: sorry must have misinterpretted whaat you said |
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| 14:29.51 | annma | as long as nobody is better than us, we're fine I think :) |
| 14:30.03 | miasma | annma: there are studies that show e.g. how declarative gui specification can be benefical over using a traditional imperative c++/qt style |
| 14:30.13 | xxtjaxx | miasma: is there a rare chance then that your report will be avaiable to us the ones it shouldn concern most ? |
| 14:30.15 | annma | URL of studies? |
| 14:30.40 | annma | miasma: instead of throwing words here I suggest you start reading about KDE |
| 14:30.45 | annma | start with planetkde |
| 14:31.24 | miasma | annma: there's e.g. functional reactive programming using toolkits for functional languages |
| 14:31.27 | annma | and when you refer to studies please paste URLS |
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| 14:31.37 | annma | sure miasma |
| 14:31.47 | annma | there's everything and anything out there |
| 14:31.48 | xxtjaxx | annma: that what he/she is trying to find out here seems to have not a bit to do with the community as a hole but more the development methodology and enhancements given to it by Qt |
| 14:32.06 | annma | xxtjaxx: this is adressed on planetkde |
| 14:32.50 | xxtjaxx | annma: its a blog aggregator not really a study playground for the way development happens really |
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| 14:33.15 | annma | xxtjaxx: but it gives answers to some of miasma questions |
| 14:33.28 | annma | he is not about to study anything anyway |
| 14:33.32 | Jetchisel | miasma: if you/they/whoever build "something better...pls tell some of the folks here ;-) |
| 14:33.59 | miasma | Jetchisel: as you probably know, there are no competing desktop environments with superior alien technology |
| 14:34.03 | Yagami | thrice`: it really seems kwin doesnt work with mesa 7.8rc1 , :( |
| 14:34.21 | miasma | Jetchisel: it's really hard to compete since the community brings so much value to projects like kde |
| 14:34.30 | Jetchisel | miasma: alien KDE? |
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| 14:35.23 | miasma | and how's that all related to crashing apps. well, some more recent programming languages & programming models etc. guarantee that some things just can't crash |
| 14:35.39 | annma | lol |
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| 14:35.44 | annma | excellent |
| 14:35.54 | annma | I can guarantee to make it crash |
| 14:36.04 | miasma | annma: I'm not probably wrong if I gues that you're a c++ zealot |
| 14:36.14 | xxtjaxx | miasma: so to recap you want to have a look at how previously defined and designed methodologies of concurrent programming apply to how kde works internally is that right? |
| 14:36.14 | annma | you are wrong |
| 14:36.20 | annma | I am no zealot |
| 14:36.24 | pinotree | miasma: care to provide examples? |
| 14:36.54 | Jetchisel | waits for the url of studies to pop-up |
| 14:37.07 | miasma | pinotree: e.g. a declarative DSL for specifying GUIs can't crash. it doesn't execute any code |
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| 14:37.43 | xxtjaxx | miasma: what was DSL in this respect again? |
| 14:37.45 | miasma | there's no way to say e.g. while(true) {} |
| 14:37.48 | annma | miasma: URL |
| 14:38.02 | annma | miasma: maybe read about Qt future plans |
| 14:38.24 | rdale_ | qt has a declarative api called 'qml' but it stills involves running code |
| 14:39.18 | miasma | rdale_: ok, nice. so you're actually going to that direction |
| 14:39.19 | xxtjaxx | rdale_: wasnt qml like extended CSS for guis ? |
| 14:39.49 | annma | goes doing some work |
| 14:40.22 | xxtjaxx | miasma: was this you : http://en.scientificcommons.org/42362549 |
| 14:40.25 | CMoH | hey. i got a folder full of files (around 100). how do I print them all? (html and pdf) |
| 14:40.50 | miasma | annma: if you needs URLs, e.g. http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3070 -- it seems to me that most current platforms are heading towards declarative GUIs |
| 14:41.06 | miasma | e.g. there's one physics accelerated for .Net, javafx for java etc. |
| 14:41.30 | miasma | xxtjaxx: nope |
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| 14:42.08 | xxtjaxx | hmm... name and interest matches though... |
| 14:42.23 | annma | that would have given you some credits |
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| 14:44.24 | xxtjaxx | miasma: as this was swamped abit by the general talk just please tell me again what you are exactly interested in? |
| 14:44.35 | miasma | annma: so asking questions is always considered trolling? people are not encouraged to make any suggestions |
| 14:45.02 | xxtjaxx | miasma: #please? |
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| 14:45.11 | annma | miasma: trying to see what your goal is and to direct you to the correct mailing list is quite difficult |
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| 14:45.21 | annma | which I was trying to do |
| 14:45.31 | miasma | xxtjaxx: i might continue this on some ML then |
| 14:45.52 | annma | or forum |
| 14:46.06 | annma | there are plenty of tools more adequate |
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| 14:48.17 | xxtjaxx | miasma: please let me help you I sort of understand what you want to do so it might help if you could redefine it |
| 14:50.25 | miasma | annma: my goal was just to introduce people to new technologies. I think it would sometimes help kde and boost productivity if new technologies were adopted. e.g. i saw from the qt 4.7 preview announcement that they've started to use continuous integration system in the releases |
| 14:52.46 | annma | miasma: propose a talk to Akademy |
| 14:52.49 | xxtjaxx | miasma: yes that is right but you see most of qt is written in a Company people get paid and sit togethere in groups mostly and develop it KDE is rather distributed and some communication channels (such as irc and forums and MLs) arent as good/productive as a group meeting and a whiteboard which only happens once in a year (namely Akademy) |
| 14:52.59 | thrice` | Yagami, great that you can confirm. perhaps it's time for a bug report :> |
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| 14:53.07 | annma | miasma: that way you'll expose your ideas to all of KDE |
| 14:53.16 | Yagami | thrice`: maybe its some mesa problem |
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| 14:53.22 | annma | that's how we get introduced to new technologies |
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| 14:53.38 | xxtjaxx | annma: for this he/she needs data which she doesnt have thanks to veiring off |
| 14:53.39 | Yagami | thrice`: i remember that intel driver 2.10.901 has problems with kwin shadow and its now fixed |
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| 14:53.45 | thrice` | Yagami, could be, but with the effects turned off, my x-server runs quite well. could be with compositiing, though |
| 14:53.48 | Yagami | maybe mesa 7.8 will not have that problem |
| 14:54.06 | annma | veiring off? |
| 14:54.10 | thrice` | thanks for trying :> I'll try another 2.11 pull from master |
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| 14:54.25 | xxtjaxx | annma: I think digressing is the right word sorry |
| 14:54.25 | Yagami | thrice`: yeah , without composition , it worked |
| 14:54.27 | thrice` | I was hoping 7.8 would smooth effects out a little more :) |
| 14:54.32 | miasma | annma: but I haven't invented those technologies, I only use them myself. And don't know much about kde either. sometimes study a bit code here and there. mostly use it. have very vague idea of the whole codebase |
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| 14:54.53 | annma | miasma: you can present how muchbenefit KDE will get from them |
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| 14:55.01 | annma | it's a perfect talk subject |
| 14:55.01 | xxtjaxx | miasma: and what is it now exactly what you want to know |
| 14:55.13 | Yagami | thrice`: i did found out that with enlightenment dr17 , i get the tripple the score of glxgears ( the best benchmarking tool heheh :) ) |
| 14:55.42 | xxtjaxx | annma: as I said hard with currently 0 or less data to evaluate isnt it? |
| 14:55.46 | annma | miasma: you can stay vague about KDE code as long as you show how much they helped you |
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| 14:56.42 | annma | talks at Akademy are not all about KDE |
| 14:56.44 | miasma | annma: I believe there are developers with a lot more experience about the technologies working on kde. i just don't know why they're not advocating them that much. or maybe the process is very long |
| 14:56.55 | annma | especially talks about technologies we don't use yet |
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| 14:57.22 | annma | you asked a question, I answered |
| 14:57.27 | miasma | annma: thanks |
| 14:57.37 | annma | if you don't want to pursue, it's your choice |
| 14:57.41 | xxtjaxx | miasma: the advocational part is part of dot.kde and the promo team |
| 14:57.43 | miasma | annma: the problem with radical new technologies is that they're not the low hanging fruit. lots of work needs to be done first in order to make any practical applications |
| 14:58.29 | annma | giving a direction leads to years of work if we take the direction |
| 14:58.46 | annma | giving directions is what is done at Akademy |
| 14:58.50 | miasma | ok |
| 14:58.53 | annma | we're looking for such talks |
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| 15:00.36 | miasma | annma: I'll definitely come back to you when I have more results and less bitching. I just want to offer something more concrete results |
| 15:01.01 | annma | OK |
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| 15:02.24 | miasma | this was probably the worst way to ask if you're open to new suggestions, but it's basically the scratching the itch process. i saw some problems in my personal use of kde and want to start a series of events to improve the situation |
| 15:02.32 | annma | the call for papers is open for Akademy and if you know of someone leading and inspiring in this domain of new ways of developing it would be interesting to contact him |
| 15:02.33 | do0ob | can someone see if the konsole url highlighting bug is still there in kde4.4, just open up some html source in nano, then mouse over the url so konsole highlights it, then scroll down, alt+tab, type in other applications and the line will still be there on the screen |
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| 15:03.04 | annma | if yo uknow someone in this field you can send his name so we could try to contact him |
| 15:03.34 | miasma | annma: i know some people, but i'm not sure how much time and motivation they have for talking on foss events |
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| 15:06.59 | monty_hall | JuK - right now - isn't playing anything. Other days it does. Anybody experiencing the same thing? |
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| 15:07.46 | monty_hall | I have no problem playing in other apps like mplayer or xine. |
| 15:07.53 | monty_hall | Maybe I'll try amarok. |
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| 15:46.30 | rindolf | Hi all. KMail keeps asking me to "Forever" confirm non-signed certificates when I run it on XFCE+Compiz. How can I resolve it? |
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| 16:41.41 | urkud | Probably, the certificate is also expired. |
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| 16:54.04 | jthomas_sb | Can KDE 4.3.4 not have some plasmoids on the screensaver? specifically, weather plasmoids aren't in the list :( |
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| 16:56.11 | barraponto | if i close an activity, are the widgets gone FOREVER? |
| 16:56.43 | buntfalke | (kde434) How to restart the taskbar? there's a konversation "ghost" entry in it, which doesnt want to disappear |
| 16:56.52 | barraponto | i accidentally turned the dashboard into the same activity as my current one, and i have lost all of my activities... |
| 16:57.01 | BurkeOne | buntfalke: try mouse hover |
| 16:57.09 | buntfalke | not the systray |
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| 16:57.33 | BurkeOne | buntfalke: delete the taskbar and create a new one |
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| 16:59.03 | buntfalke | Ah - good idea. reinializes the widget. worked, thanks |
| 16:59.25 | BurkeOne | ;) |
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| 17:20.09 | rindolf | Hi all. KMail ignores my Forever acceptance for a self-signed certificate. I'm on Mandriva Cooker / XFCE / Compiz-Fusion . What can I do about it? |
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| 17:27.59 | rindolf | I commented about it here - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207050 |
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| 17:36.39 | annma | is the Compiz/XFCE relevant? |
| 17:36.52 | annma | does it work with KWin / XFCE |
| 17:37.00 | annma | or Compiz /KDE |
| 17:37.23 | rindolf | annma: it worked previously. |
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| 17:37.30 | annma | explain |
| 17:37.41 | rindolf | annma: when I ran KWin. |
| 17:37.42 | annma | "previously": KDE version? |
| 17:37.47 | rindolf | annma: 4.4.x. |
| 17:37.56 | annma | and now? |
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| 17:38.19 | annma | does it work now with KWin/KDE |
| 17:38.32 | rindolf | annma: didn't try it. |
| 17:38.40 | rindolf | annma: thing is it works at first and then stops working. |
| 17:38.41 | annma | please do so |
| 17:39.04 | annma | the problem is that adding info not reelevant will biase the bug report |
| 17:39.17 | annma | I don't have any imap account |
| 17:40.00 | annma | and it would be more relevant to note KMail version as you don't run KDE |
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| 17:41.57 | rindolf | annma: I noted the KMail version. |
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| 17:49.35 | annma | ah OK |
| 17:49.43 | annma | sorry |
| 17:50.11 | annma | is cooker going to be Spring? |
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| 17:50.24 | annma | I wanted to try it but it was a full DVD iso |
| 17:50.44 | annma | which my connection cannot get easily |
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| 18:14.05 | beer | sometimes I feel that I am the last person who has not upgraded to kde 4 yet |
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| 18:23.13 | saleem | hello |
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| 18:23.33 | beer | hi |
| 18:23.50 | saleem | hello beer |
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| 18:24.18 | saleem | can you help me with making an icon for my computer on kde4 desktop, i have installed KIO Slave for that already |
| 18:24.20 | vootey | you are the last one, beer ;) |
| 18:24.54 | saleem | http://imagebin.ca/view/mpSkNE.html |
| 18:25.09 | beer | saleem: sry I cannot help you since I am the last person in the universe that still use kde 3.5 |
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| 18:25.48 | saleem | i want to have my computer icon that runs as shown in the screenshot |
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| 18:27.50 | saleem | its ok beer, may be there is someone who is using kde 4.4.1 and might help me |
| 18:27.57 | vootey | i'll install it too, saleem |
| 18:28.44 | saleem | vootey: you need to have KIO slave if your distribution offers it |
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| 18:29.42 | vootey | saleem: is installed.. a moment. it is compiling. |
| 18:29.49 | saleem | ok |
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| 18:31.09 | vootey | saleem: okay.. it works out of the box for me. |
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| 18:31.42 | saleem | how did you set it vootey ? |
| 18:31.45 | vootey | saleem: just installed.. typed in in dolphin.. after "enter", konqueror opened with the sysinfo |
| 18:32.00 | saleem | yes that does it here also |
| 18:32.25 | vootey | saleem: okay.. then i didnt understand your first question. ^ |
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| 18:32.52 | saleem | i want to have an icon on desktop , which when you click open will open the details as shown in that screenshot |
| 18:33.09 | saleem | i will name that icon as my computer |
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| 18:33.39 | vootey | saleem: can't you create an konqueror bookmark? or something like this. |
| 18:34.19 | vootey | saleem: i think I cant really help you. i never created icons on my kde4-desktop. |
| 18:34.52 | saleem | vootey: i dont know about that, but Texstar of pclinuxos had created this icon on his beta 1 iso, i asked them how did they do it, but the reply is awaited |
| 18:35.23 | vootey | saleem: k |
| 18:36.00 | saleem | there is a thread about it on suse forum but that did not work on ALT Linux |
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| 18:37.28 | saleem | vootey: are you on gentoo? |
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| 18:38.54 | beer | hi dr who |
| 18:39.19 | Dr{Who} | Q. How do i get knotify popup's to go to a specific monitor. I have 2 but leave one off most of the time so i keep missing messages. |
| 18:39.25 | Dr{Who} | hi beer. |
| 18:40.00 | vootey | saleem: yes. |
| 18:40.36 | saleem | when you said compiling i knew you are on gentoo |
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| 18:50.49 | alecs1 | hi, is there a place to control plasma animations? I would like to disable the taskmanager animations for starters |
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| 19:14.12 | alecs1 | my question had a bug filled in: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224883 |
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| 19:19.24 | silouck | how can i set panel bar to size 16 pixels? |
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| 19:23.14 | silouck | no one? |
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| 19:25.10 | cb400f | .. if you need to measure the exact height use kruler |
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| 19:44.14 | Ze_M | cb400f: thats why im asking how to set to the exact size 16 pixels |
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| 19:49.39 | annma | you can edit the config file |
| 19:49.45 | annma | ah he left |
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| 19:50.18 | silouck | hey i did asked how to set panel to 16 px |
| 19:51.45 | annma | ah OK so you can put it in the config file |
| 19:52.03 | silouck | annma: what config file and add what? |
| 19:53.02 | silouck | annma: in kde3.5 was possible to choose the size, now in 4.4 its only possible to resize... |
| 19:53.14 | annma | plasma-desktop-appletsrc |
| 19:53.20 | annma | search for panel |
| 19:54.29 | annma | type in terminal: kquitapp plasma-desktop |
| 19:55.12 | annma | change the 4th number in geometry: just above "plugin=panel" |
| 19:55.21 | annma | and type: plasma-desktop |
| 19:55.57 | annma | there is no number in config because people customize the size of the panel visually |
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| 19:56.19 | silouck | annma: but i would like to have the panel set exactly to 16 |
| 19:56.27 | annma | so do as I said |
| 19:56.34 | annma | I just explained you the procedure |
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| 19:57.10 | annma | if you have a serious use case, open a bug report, expose your use case for it (it must explain why you want it) and propose a GUI way to set the height |
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| 19:58.11 | silouck | annew: i hav severall lines with "lugin=panel" |
| 19:58.20 | annma | annma |
| 19:58.29 | annma | because yo uhave several panels then |
| 19:58.53 | annma | I only have one so it was easy for me |
| 19:59.13 | silouck | annma: geometry=0,-31,183,25 |
| 19:59.13 | annma | but 16 is so tiny that I don't see anything |
| 19:59.26 | annma | put 16 instead of 25 |
| 19:59.26 | silouck | so what do i replace? |
| 19:59.31 | annma | the 4th I said |
| 19:59.48 | annma | fourth number is 25 |
| 20:00.11 | annma | you need to quit plasma-desktop for it to work |
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| 20:01.36 | annma | does it work? |
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| 20:05.55 | annma | silouck: does it work? |
| 20:06.22 | silouck | it only works for one panel, the main panel isnt resized |
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| 20:06.49 | annma | did you change them all? |
| 20:06.55 | annma | what do yo ucall the main panel? |
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| 20:07.19 | silouck | the first that appears when you enter in a new user acount |
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| 20:07.48 | annma | the bottom one |
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| 20:08.44 | silouck | yes |
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| 20:08.52 | silouck | i have removed the other panel |
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| 20:08.59 | silouck | and i have geometry=1058.63568560432,1,200,23 |
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| 20:09.19 | silouck | i change 23 to for example 32 but the panel continues appearing the same |
| 20:09.40 | annma | it works here |
| 20:09.47 | annma | I just tried with a second panel |
| 20:10.22 | silouck | the second was resized, but not main panel |
| 20:10.47 | silouck | i have runned: kquitapp plasma-desktop |
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| 20:11.13 | silouck | now i replaced with geometry=1058,1,200,36 and going to try if works |
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| 20:11.26 | urkud | silouck: If you have two panels, you should have two "panel" sections. |
| 20:11.35 | urkud | And you should guess where to change |
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| 20:11.39 | silouck | i said i have removed the other |
| 20:11.51 | annma | it's easy to deduce which is which |
| 20:12.15 | silouck | annma: continues without being resized |
| 20:12.29 | annma | you have a problem on your side then |
| 20:12.44 | annma | change the size manually with the "height" button |
| 20:13.03 | annma | reload the plasma-desktop-appletsrc file |
| 20:13.17 | annma | surely the number will be changed |
| 20:13.46 | urkud | dpaste your ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc |
| 20:13.52 | silouck | annew: see the changes pastebin |
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| 20:14.21 | urkud | annew != annma |
| 20:15.11 | atomik | hi I have a problem with phonon, when I try to configure sound, there is no pulseaudio device since I upgrade (opensuse) |
| 20:15.19 | atomik | do you know this issue ? |
| 20:15.36 | annma | ask in #opensuse |
| 20:15.55 | annma | phonon can perfectly work without pulseaudio |
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| 20:17.03 | silouck | http://pastebin.com/FyUe4K8v |
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| 20:17.33 | silouck | annma: there are severall changes to do so that panel main panel gets resized |
| 20:17.42 | atomik | annma: yes but I use pulseaudio, yesterday it works...today it don't work anymore |
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| 20:17.53 | annma | so ask your distro channel |
| 20:17.58 | atomik | I wonder why kde configuration doesn't recognise pulseaudi |
| 20:18.06 | atomik | annma: I think it's not a distos issue... |
| 20:18.13 | annma | silouck: for me I only amend this 4th number to get the height changed |
| 20:18.22 | annma | atomik: it is |
| 20:18.26 | urkud | atomik: first test pulseaudio without phonon. |
| 20:19.02 | urkud | something like mplayer -ao pulse some-file.ogg |
| 20:19.22 | atomik | pulseaudio without phonon works |
| 20:19.56 | atomik | only amarok which relies on phonon doesn't work |
| 20:20.03 | annma | silouck: because of the icons then maybe |
| 20:20.03 | atomik | mplayer,banshee, kaffeine works well |
| 20:20.14 | annma | silouck: I have a default panel without icons |
| 20:20.35 | annma | anyway if you find out how it works then you're oK |
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| 20:24.49 | atomik | so..nobody to help |
| 20:26.00 | annma | what does systemsettings say in Sound |
| 20:26.24 | annma | and did you upgrade today? |
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| 20:28.58 | silouck | annma: i need to replace all geometries to work |
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| 20:30.40 | annma | even if you have no icons? |
| 20:31.02 | annma | I have the Kickoff icon, the task manager, systray and digital clock |
| 20:31.06 | annma | and pager |
| 20:31.21 | annma | and I only change the panel height and it changes |
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| 20:44.58 | ppman | Hello - on two different systems of mine - one ati card, one nvidia, both AMD processors, ddr2 and ddr3, etc. - on two different software versions, 4.3.something on opensuse, and 4.4.something on gentoo (it's been doing it for a while)... |
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| 20:45.14 | ppman | kde occasionally puts the screen dark for a split second, then drops me to kdm login |
| 20:45.55 | ppman | this is totally without warning, without specific triggers, sometimes it'll do it once a week, sometimes twice per 10 minutes... |
| 20:46.22 | ppman | and nothing spectacular in the system logs.. IDK if there are kde logs or anything.. |
| 20:46.25 | ppman | any ideas? |
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| 20:53.50 | junkDawgie | sounds like xorg doesn't like something that is common to both machines, ppman... review your /var/log/xorg.0.log.... you could also lookover .xsession-errors in your home directory, but it's unlikely that anything will be there that is useful in a spontaneous crash. |
| 20:53.56 | Him | Hey all. I'm trying to edit a launcher in KDE 4.3.5. Does anyone know how to do that? |
| 20:54.36 | Sho_ | Him: Could you give some more details? What kind of launcher, where, etc.? |
| 20:55.02 | Him | I'm trying to run Halo 1 using Wine. But I need to ad a few lines of code to the .exe. Is there any way I could do this? |
| 20:55.34 | sreich | what? |
| 20:55.45 | sreich | you can't "add a few lines of code to the executable" that's impossible |
| 20:55.58 | junkDawgie | takes special tape |
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| 20:56.13 | Him | It says to. |
| 20:56.15 | ppman | junkDawgie: ton of "Painter not active".. |
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| 20:56.27 | junkDawgie | not relevent, ppman |
| 20:56.31 | Him | Well, to add it to the launcher anyway. |
| 20:56.39 | ppman | nothing else. |
| 20:56.54 | Him | It says to right click on the launcher and in the command box add "env WINEPREFIX="/home/chris/.wine" wine "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Halo\halo.exe"" |
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| 20:57.04 | Him | where chris is your username. |
| 20:57.23 | ppman | and nothing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log worth remarking about |
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| 20:58.16 | Him | I'm taking a wild guess that it's a setup for GNOME, but it says that it should work with KDE also. |
| 20:58.21 | junkDawgie | if there is no marked warnings in xorg.0.log, then you might set up a new user with a standard desktop and see if it crashes too. |
| 20:59.00 | junkDawgie | might not be feasible, considering it's occurring randomly |
| 21:00.42 | ppman | yeah, I can't consistently reproduce it, and the opensuse comp is my mom's, so fairly standard. |
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| 21:03.32 | Him | So, no one has any ideas? |
| 21:04.27 | junkDawgie | plasma-desktop can be sensitive to older config files.. have the machines been upgraded, ppman? |
| 21:05.30 | junkDawgie | Him: you could edit the .desktop file directly with the added env spec in the Exec= line. |
| 21:05.39 | ppman | come to think of it, yes, but the opensuse box only within the 4.3 series |
| 21:06.09 | ppman | c:c |
| 21:06.29 | ppman | wrong windows |
| 21:06.35 | Him | Okay, I'll try that. Thanks. |
| 21:07.00 | Him | Erm, not to sound like an idiot, but where is the .desktop file? |
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| 21:07.40 | junkDawgie | ppman: well before you do something drastic you might force it to write new config... do a console login for the user and "mv ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma* /somewhere/to/backup |
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| 21:08.07 | ppman | I just found a consistent trigger for this machine at least.. |
| 21:08.18 | ppman | http://magiccards.info/query?q=c:c&v=card&s=cname&p=6 |
| 21:08.23 | ppman | scroll down |
| 21:08.58 | junkDawgie | look in the .kde(4)/share/desktop folder, Him |
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| 21:09.28 | Him | Kk. |
| 21:09.29 | ppman | in konqueror, of corse |
| 21:09.32 | Him | Thanks again. |
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| 21:10.21 | junkDawgie | just rendering the page, ppman? crashes the entire desktop? |
| 21:10.36 | ppman | I think konq doesn't want to display the flavor text of bottle gnomes ;) |
| 21:10.41 | ppman | yeah.. entire desktop |
| 21:10.48 | ppman | I can view in chromium just fine |
| 21:12.22 | junkDawgie | you using khtml or webkit in konqueror? |
| 21:12.46 | ppman | how do I tell? |
| 21:13.26 | junkDawgie | default is khtml |
| 21:13.32 | ppman | then that |
| 21:13.39 | ppman | I didn't realize webkit was an option. |
| 21:13.45 | Him | eh? there is no desktop folder in ~/kde4/share |
| 21:14.57 | ppman | erm.. where exactly can I change that? |
| 21:15.13 | junkDawgie | look under the View menu for ViewMode, ppman |
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| 21:15.37 | ppman | err... what must I emerge to get that ;) |
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| 21:16.07 | ppman | I'll ask the gentoo guys |
| 21:16.11 | junkDawgie | hmm, my gentoo-fu is non-existant, ppman |
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| 21:16.57 | ppman | but yeah, this is certainly not the only trigger, it happens at seemingly random events.. |
| 21:17.07 | ppman | and my mom doesn't even use konqueror - she uses firefox |
| 21:17.39 | junkDawgie | btw, viewing the bottlegnomes thing with konq using khtml didn't crash me here. |
| 21:18.07 | Him | Bbl if I haven't fixed it |
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| 21:19.40 | ppman | junkDawgie: nor on my mom's computer.. |
| 21:19.47 | ppman | but I got it to happen 3x in a row here.. |
| 21:20.06 | ppman | so I may be able to debug if you tell me what I should be looking at.. |
| 21:20.32 | junkDawgie | not sure what info you are requesting, ppman |
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| 21:21.46 | ppman | I'm not sure either... |
| 21:22.14 | ppman | basically I want to end these crashes, and since I've found something that triggers it consistently for me at least, I want to know what I can do to debug |
| 21:22.50 | junkDawgie | turn off java/javascript and retry the page |
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| 21:55.56 | ppman | sorry it took so long... yeah, java/javascript off still crashes, |
| 21:56.06 | ppman | I'm working on getting the overlay for kwebkitpart now |
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| 22:36.36 | Dr{Who} | Q. How do i get knotify popup's to go to a specific monitor. I have 2 but leave one off most of the time so i keep missing messages. |
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| 23:09.27 | smorg | Dr{Who}: Are you talking about the tray popups? I would assume that is affected by where your tray is if so. |
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| 23:19.38 | Ze_M | when i enter http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/base/plasma the contents are gone, anyone knows tk where were moved? |
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| 23:20.13 | Ze_M | thiago_home: do you have idea? |
| 23:20.58 | pinotree | what are you looking for? |
| 23:21.02 | ki7rw2 | i'm not sure if it's a distro problem or a video card problem but i keeping getting a window about running 3d and i get a password prompt - after entering the password i get another box giving me 3 options for 3d - i tried selecting each one but after logging out and back in, i keep getting this box with the 3 selections for 3d - so, i'm not able to log in - i checked mandriva bugzilla and googled but couldn't find an answer - kde4, mandriva |
| 23:21.02 | ki7rw2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.34 | Ze_M | pinotree: all plasma items (runners,applets,plasmoids) for kde4 |
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| 23:21.43 | pinotree | kdeplasma-addons? |
| 23:22.03 | pinotree | better: some in kdebase/workspace and some others in kdeplasma-addons |
| 23:22.38 | pinotree | also note we cannot have "all plasma items" various stuff is developed third-party |
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| 23:24.35 | Ze_M | pinotree: and where is kdeplasma? |
| 23:24.57 | pinotree | it is one of the kde modules, like kdelibs or kdegames |
| 23:25.09 | pinotree | (see trunk/KDE, for example) |
| 23:25.49 | Ze_M | its in playground |
| 23:26.05 | pinotree | what? |
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