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01:15.05 | Nalf | Hello, I've just installed kde and I'm running fine and dandy at a resolution of 1920x1080, but for some reason all of my fonts are super small. |
01:15.10 | Nalf | Any idea on how I can fix this? |
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01:18.36 | kde__pepo | Nalf, probably wrong dpi detected or configured... |
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01:20.59 | Nalf | kde__pepo, and how do I fix that? I didn't configure it. |
01:21.07 | Nalf | Seems to work fine with gnome. |
01:21.33 | kde__pepo | gnome replaces the dpi setting, because it does not trust what the monitor reports :) |
01:21.46 | Nalf | Ahh, well, fair enough. |
01:22.00 | Nalf | Apparently my graphics card is getting a bad dpi setting from my monitor, then? |
01:22.31 | kde__pepo | yes, you can either change /etc/xorg.conf, or do the "workaround" that gnome does and force a different font dpi via KDE's systemsettings |
01:23.08 | kde__pepo | systemsettings > appearance > fonts > force font dpi |
01:25.15 | Nalf | THank you very much for your help. :) |
01:26.13 | Nalf | Curious, why would my monitor send a bad dpi setting? D: |
01:26.48 | kde__pepo | because they are made for Windows, which does not care about that ... Manufacturers just ship driver disks :) |
01:27.15 | Nalf | Gotcha. |
01:28.10 | sreich | yeah, which is the dumbest approach any moron could think of.. |
01:28.54 | sreich | "what? using a monitor without a cd?" what's next..? |
01:29.14 | olorin_ | "A virus free system?" |
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01:29.36 | Nalf | Oops. |
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01:30.29 | olorin_ | I see we have people from Lillehammer here. |
01:30.37 | olorin_ | Hamar* |
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02:16.11 | wpgmb | I just installed a distro with KDE 4.4 and after playing around with some settings, the descriptions alongside the icons is gone in Kickoff style. They're there in classic mode. How can I get them back in Kickoff? |
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02:21.07 | wpgmb | anyone? |
02:24.48 | junkDawgie | wpgmb: if you rightclick the kickoff icon and chose the Application Launcher settings, i believe you will have to change the format in options to "Name Descriptions"... sounds like you have "Name" only |
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02:28.21 | wpgmb | junkDawgie: nope - found the answer on #sabayon: I changed all my fonts, and the kickoff doesn't simply accept any font. I changed the fonts back to default, and it's all good now. Thanks for checking in though! |
02:29.03 | junkDawgie | good to know... :) |
02:29.21 | wpgmb | yeah - I wonder how many poor saps have struggled with that one... |
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02:42.57 | Nalf | Is there a gui for KDE to configure iptables? |
02:43.08 | Nalf | (Please don't flame me out of the channel) |
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03:21.39 | uhsf | i tried the kde netbook edition for one month and i have to say it is totally unusable. it is slower than normal kde so it's instant fail. how to get the normal kde interface back? in what settings menu? |
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03:35.19 | acu07 | how can I reset the KDE start panel to initial default ? |
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03:37.48 | uhsf | acu07: have you tried system setting, advanced, desktop theme details, kickoff... |
03:42.06 | acu07 | uhsf: tried - not working |
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03:43.16 | uhsf | then i don't know. me i can't revert back to normal kde after switching to plasma netbook interface |
03:43.43 | acu07 | thanks anyhow :) |
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03:46.58 | uhsf | kde is really just a perpetual showcase for what linux gui could be but i don't know if it's ever gonna be ready for day to day use |
03:48.03 | acu07 | uhsf: and what is the best gui for linux ? |
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03:50.06 | uhsf | i'm using linux exclusively for more than 10 years and my preference is minimalist windows manager like tiling xmonad, dwm, or floating openbox, ratpoison, etc. |
03:50.23 | uhsf | i like many qt apps, but i use mostly gtk |
03:51.34 | uhsf | gtk is faster and less buggy, even though it looks more dated compared to qt |
03:53.41 | uhsf | i really want to like the kde environment like it tries to be fun and all integrated and interconnected and semantic but it just doesn't cut it. |
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04:09.08 | uhsf | i found how to switch back to normal kde, it was in system settings, desktop, workspace. i hate these ms windows like settings menu it's impossible to guess where things are hidden |
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04:12.55 | wallshot | I have to assume i'm not the only one using KDE on a laptop that has a docking station. How do you guys keep your kpanel 100% of the screen? Every time I plug it into the 2048x docking station, panel is back to 1680x wide (from previous boot on laptop flat panel) and i have to re-expand. |
04:14.28 | uhsf | weird cause i was experiencing this bug also right now for the first time |
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04:23.33 | wallshot | i guess after quite some time into the 4.x adventure we're all just still manually stretching kpanel to 100% every time screen res changes? |
04:23.45 | wallshot | s/changes/expands/ |
04:24.45 | uhsf | that's what i did. i'll see if it does the same thing at next reboot |
04:25.59 | wallshot | it does it every time i boot the laptop up w/o docking station then return to the bigger screen later on |
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05:20.11 | [dksuiko] | Hey everyone. Does anyone know the name of the font that is used in the KDE 4.3 announcement image? |
05:20.15 | [dksuiko] | It's shown here: http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.3/images/kde430-desktop.png |
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06:42.35 | Nalf | Is there a kde alarm clock? |
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07:00.46 | ryoohki | how do i reorder the applets in the lower right hand side? new applets wind up to the right of the clock and i can't move them the left of the clock applet. |
07:02.23 | cb400f | unlock widgets.. click on cashew to open panel configuration thingy... move widgets with drag and drop |
07:02.32 | cb400f | .. unless you're running 4.0 :-) |
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07:08.53 | d3x | hi guys |
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07:10.37 | d3x | i have a question: since upgrade to 4.4(.2) (from 4.3.4) when i move maximized windows they preserve their size and becode de-maximized. it's pretty annoying especially when moving between two monitors with different sizes, but i think de-maximization also applies to moving between desktops. any cure for that? or is it intentional? |
07:10.40 | ryoohki | cb400f: thanks! |
07:10.56 | ryoohki | cb400f: worked great! |
07:11.13 | cb400f | np |
07:11.37 | ryoohki | anyone know how to use the gnome widgets? the gnome weather applet has a radar pop-up i like |
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07:38.47 | gnu_d | Hi, why kde_init is started as root too, when I print the processes list with ps, the process kde_init is both started as my user and root? |
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09:01.29 | RichiH | can anyone confirm that there is no mouseover text for the comics on http://xkcd.com/721/ with konqui 4.4.2? |
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09:02.28 | d3x | RichiH, unfortunately, there is |
09:03.14 | d3x | but the comics is great, as usual :) |
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09:06.30 | Kunalagon | why I cant use devices:/ in konqueror ? |
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09:36.32 | Whisky` | hello |
09:36.40 | Whisky` | does KDE have some graphical hard drive management utility? |
09:38.36 | hypn0z | hard drive manager ? kind of patition manager? http://sourceforge.net/projects/partitionman/ |
09:39.31 | Whisky` | thank you |
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11:12.12 | mmarco | hi |
11:12.50 | mmarco | i have a problem with kbluetooth: it does not detect my bluetooth adapter, even when hcitool does find it |
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11:18.33 | cb400f | you have the latest version of kbluetooth? |
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11:19.27 | mmarco | yes |
11:19.29 | mmarco | 0.4.2 |
11:19.50 | mmarco | and solid built with bluetooth support |
11:22.18 | mmarco | ok, maybe this is interesting: when i run "solid-bluetooth listadapters" i get |
11:22.20 | mmarco | solid-bluetooth(5678)/kdecore (KLibrary) kde4Factory: The library "/usr/lib64/kde4/solid_bluez.so" does not offer a qt_plugin_instance function |
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11:28.26 | mmarco | any clue? |
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12:10.18 | tuxick | lo |
12:11.30 | tuxick | got some confusion with fish:// when running as different user, it prompts for username/pass, but it looks like it doesn't matter what username i enter there, so i have to use fish://user@host ? |
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13:32.55 | jelly | hi, what can I use to display /dev/xconsole pipe on a part of the desktop in KDE 4.4 (Debian's kde team pre-release packaging of kde sc 4.4.2)? |
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13:38.13 | Eelis | greetings. whenever i open the rename dialog for a file or directory, everything except the file extension is erased. this is really annoying when i just want to change a typo, for instance. what could cause this? |
13:38.20 | Eelis | (this is in konqueror) |
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13:42.17 | Eelis | it happens with dolphin too |
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13:44.20 | annma | is it a new user? |
13:45.22 | Eelis | yes |
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13:50.51 | annma | from a new install? |
13:51.30 | Eelis | ah, i think i found a ticket: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220495 |
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13:52.02 | Eelis | i use scim as scim as well |
13:52.12 | Eelis | -as scim |
13:53.05 | Eelis | looks like it might be fixed in qt 4.6.0 |
13:53.23 | annma | what kde version do you have? |
13:53.28 | annma | and distro? |
13:53.52 | Eelis | i have kde 4.3.5 on opensuse 11.2 |
13:54.16 | annma | same as the reporter |
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13:55.40 | annma | if Qt 4.6 fxes it the report can be closed |
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13:57.41 | rickell | anyone know why in kde4 there is no tray to minimize apps? (I'm not referring to that one widget that groups all running apps under one apps that one clicks on) |
14:00.31 | annma | rickell: so what are you refering to? |
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14:01.55 | rickell | the tray that used to be there that your windows would minimize to. Like when you hit minimize, it would just be at the bottom. |
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14:02.51 | annma | you have several things in a panel: a task manager and a systray |
14:03.02 | annma | not all apps go to the systray |
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15:49.36 | miasma | hmm, which package in kde-windows distribution contains konqueror? |
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16:01.15 | pumphaus | miasma: kdebase |
16:01.25 | pumphaus | kdebase-apps, iirc |
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16:48.39 | lpjhjdh | so krunner has an old chromium-browser "/usr/bin/chromium-browser" that it tries to launch that no longer exists, how can I flush its cache entirely? |
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16:54.41 | miasma | pumphaus: ok thanks, i'll look at it |
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17:18.55 | zoiss | hey guys. i upgraded my kde to 4.4.2 on my kubuntu system. the control panel does not store positions of items on it. is it a known bug or are there ways to fix this? |
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17:25.05 | thiago | zoiss: what do you mean? |
17:25.13 | thiago | why are you moving things around in System Settings? |
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17:25.58 | zoiss | thiago: uhm, i am talking about the task bar on the bottom:] |
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17:26.23 | thiago | ok, are you moving things around in the taskbar? |
17:26.47 | zoiss | yes i just wanted the clock to be at the right for example |
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17:27.05 | thiago | ok, you're talking about the panel |
17:27.08 | thiago | not the task bar |
17:27.20 | thiago | and I haven't seen that issue, sorry |
17:27.21 | tuxick | who'd call a bar a panel! |
17:27.33 | thiago | tuxick: it's called a panel |
17:27.36 | tuxick | :) |
17:27.43 | zoiss | now i'm confused:] |
17:27.54 | tuxick | it's always confused me as well |
17:28.01 | zoiss | whats the long thin thing with all those items on it???:D |
17:28.39 | tuxick | meanwhile i'm still wondering why 4.4 is so dog slow here |
17:28.45 | tuxick | comparted to 4.3 |
17:28.49 | thiago | the panel |
17:29.00 | thiago | the tark bar is a thing you put on the panel and it shows the tasks |
17:29.04 | thiago | the clock is not part of the taskbar |
17:29.11 | zoiss | but of the panel |
17:29.15 | thiago | nor is the K menu or the system tray |
17:30.03 | zoiss | ok back to topic |
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17:30.54 | zoiss | if you unlock things, you can move those items on the panel. but after restarting my computer those places are discarded |
17:31.02 | monty_hall | I am no longer able to listen to mp3 using amarok. Is there some type of sound daemon/server than I can restart? |
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17:33.41 | uhsf | i tried the kde netbook interface and i have to say it's totally unusable. it is slower than the normal kde so that means it fails by it's own existence. |
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18:34.26 | DogBoy | is there a quick way to disable all these noises? |
18:34.39 | DogBoy | startup noise, noise when k3b finishes burning, etc |
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18:36.35 | DogBoy | I'm burning a cd or restarting my computer at 3 am, I shouldn't have to think "jeez, am I gonna wake up the entire house with a revelry?" |
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18:36.59 | thiago | put the sound on mute |
18:37.25 | junkDawgie | DogBoy: haven't done it, but in SystemSettings>Notifications>PlayerSettings tab there is a place to check "No Audio Output" |
18:37.57 | DogBoy | put the sound on mute? |
18:38.15 | DogBoy | what if I want to watch a movie or something |
18:38.19 | dso400 | its actually unchecking "play a sound" in the k3b settings |
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18:39.25 | DogBoy | so I have to do it individually as I find these noises that go off randomly |
18:39.44 | dso400 | i think so |
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18:40.14 | dso400 | you should be able to turn them all off on that tab |
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18:40.49 | DogBoy | systemsettings? |
18:41.36 | Half-Left | Just use "No Output" |
18:42.42 | dso400 | in the settings in the k3b program |
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18:51.38 | RichiH | is there any reason why you can't get new window decorations via get hot new stuff? |
18:51.42 | RichiH | or am i just blind? |
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18:52.28 | Half-Left | RichiH: You cannot no, only Aurorae ones |
18:52.34 | Half-Left | in 4.4 that is |
18:54.02 | thiago | window decorations are C++ code loaded into kwin |
18:54.04 | RichiH | Half-Left: that seems to imply that with 4.5, you can? |
18:55.01 | Half-Left | RichiH: eh? |
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18:57.59 | djustice | is kgraphviewer on svn.kde anywhere? my massif-visualizer compile doesnt see the repos' kgraphviewers' cmake vars... |
18:58.09 | djustice | nor does ack find kgraphviewer on svn.kde anywhere... :/ |
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19:01.33 | Half-Left | RichiH: You never have been able to do that with native window decos. 4.4 introduced Aurorea decorations which you can download via GNHS. |
19:01.50 | djustice | k. nvm. extragear/graphics. hiding from me... |
19:02.06 | abhiSri | What is the IRC channel for talking about project ideas of GSOC? |
19:02.25 | thiago | djustice: extragear/graphics |
19:02.47 | djustice | thiago: :D thanks ;) |
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19:03.21 | Half-Left | Aurorae in fact |
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19:14.02 | Oripi | hi |
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19:15.54 | Oripi | I'm trying to build KMyMoney 3.97.1 on a Mac and I have a strange error of cmake : http://pastebin.com/BLuEFdun |
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19:16.16 | Oripi | Gettext is well installed |
19:16.40 | Oripi | but cmake tells me "Could not find Gettext" |
19:18.26 | xxtjaxx | uhm in your path or what ever that is called on a mac |
19:18.28 | xxtjaxx | ` |
19:18.29 | xxtjaxx | ? |
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19:19.09 | Oripi | uhm ? |
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19:19.41 | Oripi | $ which gettext |
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19:22.33 | frojnd | hello there |
19:22.40 | frojnd | I'll try the luck for the third time :) |
19:22.45 | Oripi | m |
19:22.52 | Oripi | <PROTECTED> |
19:23.11 | xxtjaxx | Oripi: i suspect that isnt in the path that cmake looks for huh? |
19:23.29 | Oripi | maybe... but how can I know ? |
19:23.31 | Torch | "/opt/local"? man. |
19:23.34 | frojnd | As you have might noticed my spam here on #kde when I wanna singn in with remember the link widget I see loading bar (infinite loop) but I don't even see login screen :) Any ideas what's going on? I have kde 4.4.1 |
19:23.41 | Torch | suggests /etc/bin. |
19:24.02 | Oripi | it's the path that Macports use... |
19:24.12 | frojnd | I mean it's like super dupper widget and I can't use it |
19:24.36 | Oripi | how can I tell cmake to look at the right place ? |
19:25.04 | xxtjaxx | frojnd: how bout using the wrench and use that to sign in properly? |
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19:25.59 | frojnd | xxtjaxx: usint hte wrhench? what is wrench? (I'm not native english speaker) |
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19:26.47 | xxtjaxx | you see a resize a spin and a x and the another one that usually starts the settings use that |
19:27.02 | frojnd | xxtjaxx: nope |
19:27.06 | frojnd | xxtjaxx: that's the problem |
19:27.21 | xxtjaxx | rightclick on the plasmoid? |
19:27.26 | frojnd | yeah? |
19:27.34 | xxtjaxx | open settings |
19:27.43 | frojnd | mhm.. |
19:27.50 | xxtjaxx | there you sign in |
19:28.09 | frojnd | xxtjaxx: jeah.. this is the screen that doesn't work :) AFTER I click to sign in.. |
19:28.16 | frojnd | I mean authenticate |
19:28.45 | xxtjaxx | there is no windo that pops up with sort of a browser in it? |
19:29.19 | frojnd | http://www.shrani.si/f/K/M9/3YqZz4sP/authenticate.png |
19:29.37 | frojnd | it looks like emptiness... that's how I see this window that should look like a browser |
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19:30.11 | xxtjaxx | then wait till the "browser" is finished loading that page |
19:30.28 | frojnd | xxtjaxx: I did for 4 hors :) |
19:30.40 | frojnd | and oh I do have 20+ Mbit connection without p2p :P |
19:30.46 | xxtjaxx | really wow thats bad |
19:30.50 | frojnd | 4houts |
19:30.52 | frojnd | hours.. |
19:30.55 | xxtjaxx | *jelouse* |
19:30.59 | frojnd | I dunno why there isn't page :S |
19:31.27 | xxtjaxx | well query the guys at remember the milk for that or the author |
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19:32.48 | Oripi | xxtjaxx: How can I tell cmake where it can find gettext ? |
19:32.57 | Oripi | w |
19:33.23 | Oripi | xxtjaxx: how can I know which directory cmake try to find it ? |
19:33.33 | frojnd | Oripi: man cmake |
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19:34.49 | Oripi | <PROTECTED> |
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19:39.18 | djustice | Oripi: cmake modules, include dirs, special path dirs... etc. dunno. sorry :/ likely a cmake module path issue... |
19:39.43 | djustice | Oripi: my guess anyway. good luck. |
19:42.31 | Oripi | djustice: thanks, i'll try to find a solution with the output of $cmake --help-variable-list |
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19:43.05 | Oripi | arg... can't find the "pipe" keyboard touch on my new Mac keyboard WTF ?! |
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19:43.33 | Oripi | can someone tape it so I can paste it on my terminal ? |
19:43.47 | djustice | Oripi: | |
19:43.57 | Oripi | djustice: thanks ! |
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20:14.11 | barraponto | kdevelop 3.9.99 keeps crashing when i close it, running atop kde 4.4.1 on archlinux |
20:14.14 | barraponto | http://pastebin.ca/1855239 |
20:15.00 | Torch | barraponto: install debug symbols |
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20:17.43 | barraponto | Torch: how do i? |
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20:28.07 | Torch | http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports |
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20:37.03 | sahk0 | does anyone use adblock in konqueror in 4.4.2 ? i tried to use the list from estel.com and i got an empty list which blocks all images.. |
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20:41.16 | sahk0 | has anyone noticed anything similar? |
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20:42.50 | Mahara | sahk0: What filters do you have ? |
20:43.17 | sahk0 | the one from estel.com |
20:44.03 | sahk0 | hmm that site seems to have changed |
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20:44.24 | enhydra | oh hi. I have a problem: KDE's native keyboard layout switcher seems to ignore changes in /usr/share/X11/xkb/xorg.lst |
20:44.25 | sahk0 | it was the recommended filter in some opensuse resource iirc |
20:44.53 | sahk0 | Mahara: sorry its elstel.com |
20:45.31 | Mahara | Yea I know the site, let me try and reproduce what you say |
20:45.36 | sahk0 | do you think using easylist will work better? |
20:45.59 | sahk0 | im on 4.3.5 now cant check for about another hour or so |
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20:46.37 | Mahara | I don't know. I don't use Konqueror so often. I have 4.4.2 installed on ArchLinux. |
20:46.43 | odin_ | Hello, how do I fire DBus events to Konqueror (or the desktop) to open a page, BUT do it as a new tab if there is already a Konqueror window open, not to create a new instance of Konqueror |
20:48.02 | sahk0 | hmm i must be one of the few people who use konq exlusively for web browsing |
20:48.58 | Mahara | sahk0: It seems it works fine here, If you have succeded to download the right adblock list go to Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> AdBlock Filters, select 'enable' and 'hide filtered images' and then import the downloaded adblock list. |
20:49.22 | Mahara | you just have to copy the .txt file from the site you mentioned do the steps above |
20:49.23 | sahk0 | yeah thats what i normally do |
20:49.59 | sahk0 | but this time it didnt work, gonna try again later. thanks for trying to help |
20:50.04 | zeltak | hi guys. im looking for a way to bind diffrent applications to hotkeys so i can easly switch between apps..is there a way to do this with khotkeys or something else? |
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20:52.22 | Eruaran | Hi guys |
20:52.46 | sahk0 | Mahara: what language have you set in the kde system settings /regional/locale tab if i may ask? is it other than generic english? |
20:52.50 | Eruaran | Is there a way to open or restore a specific program in KDE with a single keyboard shortcut? |
20:53.13 | cb400f | kmenuedit |
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20:53.40 | Mahara | sahk0: none, I have plain Generic English |
20:54.05 | Eruaran | cb400f: thanks! |
20:54.28 | sahk0 | Mahara: ok thanks. i dont know if its related. i just got some weird chars instead of english when i first imported the filter list |
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20:54.35 | sahk0 | will test later |
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20:57.06 | Mahara | sahk0: This is what I have in the Konqueror settings http://i44.tinypic.com/fmt64o.png |
20:58.03 | sahk0 | ok thanks, theres not much i can do atm, i just wanted to ask if its a common problem |
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21:43.48 | Arithmos | hi |
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21:45.31 | xxtjaxx | hi Arithmos |
21:45.43 | Arithmos | look what happend when I connected my usb HD and use dolphin to copy somes files from PC to USB HD. http://omploader.org/vNDEzYQ waiting since 15 minutes for HD stopping and finally xorg crash |
21:47.53 | xxtjaxx | Arithmos: that happened with which version of KDE? |
21:48.57 | Arithmos | xxtjaxx: kde-base/kdelibs 4.4.2 on gentoo |
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21:49.57 | xxtjaxx | hmm thats bad |
21:50.13 | Arithmos | yes :D |
21:50.21 | xxtjaxx | but it looks abit like your Graka stoped working with the driver :/ |
21:50.35 | xxtjaxx | poor guy you are |
21:50.40 | Arithmos | graka ? |
21:51.08 | xxtjaxx | graphics Card the k was because of me being german... |
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21:52.15 | Arithmos | xxtjaxx: I thought about that. But why I did not have any probleme when I do not use dolphin. My desktop turn all of time and no problem |
21:52.16 | Arithmos | like that |
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21:53.23 | xxtjaxx | Arithmos: no Idea at all |
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21:55.59 | Arithmos | xxtjaxx: well. Perhaps is only my opinion but I see more and more stange bugs, after each new kde release |
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21:58.13 | Arithmos | I love kde, but I not sure if I'm going to use it for my musical production. Imagine I lose all my song record D |
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21:59.57 | Mahara | When in doubt, make a backup! |
22:01.14 | xxtjaxx | Arithmos: I know what you mean... |
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22:01.42 | del_diablo | How do i get KDE to obey the /etc/systemconfig/clock settings? |
22:01.45 | Torch | that screenshot looks like a hardware/kernel problem. |
22:02.03 | thiago | del_diablo: that's not a file KDE reads |
22:02.07 | Arithmos | Torch: yes, that true but why when i use dolphin |
22:02.40 | thiago | del_diablo: the timezone is set by /etc/localtime |
22:04.07 | del_diablo | thiago: That contains just gibberish, what is suppose to be done with it? I want to set UTC to false, soo that my clock finally is not wreacking havock on dualboot :( |
22:04.12 | Arithmos | Torch: My computer is powered on 24/24 7/7 |
22:04.21 | thiago | del_diablo: that's not a KDE problem |
22:04.29 | thiago | del_diablo: please ask your distribution's channel |
22:04.39 | xxtjaxx | Arithmos: its not that you used Dolphin but it just so happened in that moment not the issue of dolphin |
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22:07.04 | Arithmos | xxtjaxx: Impossible. This is the second time xorg crash when i posted my message |
22:07.52 | Arithmos | And like I said it's crash when i connect my usb HD |
22:08.03 | Torch | Arithmos: this has nothing to do with kde. |
22:08.11 | Arithmos | after some moving or coping file. Thx god not during |
22:08.38 | Arithmos | Torch: mm dolphin is not a part of kde ? |
22:09.36 | xxtjaxx | It is |
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22:10.00 | xxtjaxx | Dolphin is part of KDE but your issue is not KDE in it self I suspect |
22:10.11 | xxtjaxx | have you had a look at your dmesg? |
22:10.51 | Arithmos | xxtjaxx: just looking and have a lot of lines, I pastebin it |
22:11.36 | thiago | Arithmos: if X crashes, it's X's problem |
22:11.37 | xxtjaxx | thanks! |
22:12.18 | xxtjaxx | thiago: looks like his graphics card is making the problem from his screenshot |
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22:12.52 | Eruaran | You know what I'd like that I don't see in KDE? |
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22:13.21 | Arithmos | http://pastebin.org/131670 |
22:13.28 | Eruaran | An "undo" feature for when people accidentally remove their entire desktop panel. ;) |
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22:14.17 | xxtjaxx | Eruaran: for me there is a lot more that is not in kde that should have been fixed long ago |
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22:17.56 | Arithmos | my pastebin help ? |
22:18.23 | xxtjaxx | looks like your kernel falls over when you attach it. Can you install debugging symbold for kernel and kde ? |
22:19.10 | xxtjaxx | thiago: you could have a look at too this is quite interesting |
22:19.28 | thiago | Arithmos: besides running out of memory? |
22:20.38 | Arithmos | thiago: sry my english not so good I try help with dictionnary. Beside , what do you mean |
22:20.47 | thiago | Arithmos: you're running out of memory |
22:20.56 | thiago | is that what you wanted us to see? |
22:21.08 | Arithmos | thiago: you want to know what I'm donig before the out of mem ? |
22:21.14 | thiago | no |
22:21.18 | thiago | you're running out of memory |
22:21.22 | Arithmos | ha! |
22:21.24 | thiago | add more RAM or use less |
22:21.25 | Arithmos | why ? |
22:21.32 | Arithmos | <PROTECTED> |
22:21.36 | thiago | go? |
22:21.45 | xxtjaxx | gb |
22:21.48 | Arithmos | 4Gb |
22:21.53 | xxtjaxx | i suspect |
22:21.54 | thiago | ok, so? |
22:22.02 | thiago | you're _still_ running out of memory |
22:22.12 | thiago | the OOM killer killed firefox |
22:22.14 | xxtjaxx | and still running out of memory that seems like quite alot |
22:22.37 | thiago | either you have a very large process, or your kernel has a bug |
22:22.42 | thiago | either way, you're asking the wrong chanenl |
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22:23.09 | xxtjaxx | Arithmos: how long have you had this machine on? |
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22:23.46 | Arithmos | thiago: ok, thx your help is really interesting for me. months |
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22:23.56 | Arithmos | xxtjaxx: months |
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22:27.25 | xxtjaxx | Arithmos: this machine didnt reboot since months? |
22:27.44 | Arithmos | xxtjaxx: yes 2 or 3 months |
22:28.16 | Arithmos | xxtjaxx: why |
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22:29.01 | xxtjaxx | unbelievable. I got my machine to run on a week or so and it was at 4GB (note I have 8GB) |
22:29.40 | thiago | xxtjaxx: I'm pretty sure you didn't measure memory correctly |
22:29.54 | xxtjaxx | htop ? |
22:30.19 | xxtjaxx | and the RAM applet |
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22:30.24 | thiago | that would be wrong |
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22:30.57 | xxtjaxx | thiago: what is actually the right thing to measure it? |
22:31.13 | thiago | exmap |
22:31.55 | xxtjaxx | I mean ps telling me taht plasma-desktop eating 25% of my MEM which is in this case 2GB of mem |
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22:33.07 | thiago | xxtjaxx: and that would be a wrong measurement of memory |
22:33.38 | xxtjaxx | how is that? can you clarify that please? |
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22:33.50 | thiago | was that VSZ or RSS? |
22:33.58 | thiago | how much of the RSS was sharable? how much was shared? |
22:34.11 | thiago | how much of RSS was memory-mapped files? |
22:34.31 | xxtjaxx | I do not know what you mean at all |
22:34.55 | thiago | that's the problem |
22:35.02 | thiago | if you don't know what I mean, how can you measure memory usage? |
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22:36.37 | xxtjaxx | I went after what htop and the plasma applet told me if that is incorrect so be it |
22:36.53 | thiago | forget it |
22:37.06 | thiago | all memory measurements outside of exmap are for illustration purposes |
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22:38.05 | xxtjaxx | ok if you say so... |
22:39.04 | thiago | let's take an example |
22:39.09 | thiago | I have this process I'm looking at |
22:39.18 | thiago | ps says that RSS = 10800 |
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22:39.25 | xxtjaxx | yes |
22:39.25 | thiago | now, suppose I start another instance of it |
22:39.36 | thiago | how much more memory will I be using? |
22:39.50 | xxtjaxx | wait. What is RSS in that case? |
22:39.58 | thiago | Resident Set Size |
22:40.03 | thiago | in kB |
22:40.34 | thiago | F UID PID PPID PRI NI VSZ RSS WCHAN STAT TTY TIME COMMAND |
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22:40.37 | thiago | 1 500 20903 26168 20 0 96552 10800 poll_s S ? 0:00 command name here |
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22:42.00 | xxtjaxx | which ps switch that may be? |
22:42.17 | thiago | l |
22:42.34 | thiago | I can also give you u |
22:42.46 | thiago | USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND |
22:42.49 | thiago | thiago 21770 0.9 0.5 96584 10792 ? S 00:42 0:00 command name here |
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22:43.52 | xxtjaxx | yes |
22:44.14 | thiago | so, the theoretical question here is: if I start another one of these, how much _more_ memory will I be using? |
22:44.15 | xxtjaxx | ok |
22:44.18 | thiago | note: this is a trick question |
22:44.58 | xxtjaxx | It wont it would use part of the memory already loaded in by the first instance right? |
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22:45.25 | thiago | it will |
22:45.34 | thiago | hence the trick |
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22:46.14 | bbeck | I was wondering if anyone knew how to remove the leading zero on the plasma digital clock for anytime before 10? For example it's 5:46 pm where I am, and the digital clock says: "05:46 pm". |
22:46.29 | xxtjaxx | so we have 2 instances all in all now using 2GB of memory for instance not suddenly 4 because its 2 instances |
22:46.47 | thiago | bbeck: in system settings, regional |
22:47.57 | bbeck | thiago: thanks, I'll have a look. |
22:48.37 | xxtjaxx | thiago: your explanation is still important to me btw... |
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23:25.23 | slothearn | hey all, Gentoo 10.1 with KDE 4.3.5 but my issue is actually with Kopete 0.80.2 |
23:25.40 | slothearn | it was working pretty well after compilation, but now every IM window is fullscreen |
23:25.43 | slothearn | no window decorations |
23:25.54 | slothearn | I'm also using Compiz and Emerald, if that's relevant |
23:26.05 | slothearn | and the fullscreen IM dialogues seem to flicker for some reason |
23:26.44 | slothearn | anyone have a clue as to what might be wrong? |
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23:29.41 | CalimeroTeknik | hello ! |
23:30.05 | CalimeroTeknik | I have an insignificant question : why is polyester the default kde theme ? |
23:30.27 | CalimeroTeknik | honestly, who thinks polyester is cute ? |
23:30.54 | CalimeroTeknik | there are so much better themes, why is the default one the ugliest one ? |
23:31.39 | CalimeroTeknik | (perhaps there's worse, but the desktop is so cute and when you open a window it's "bleaaarg") |
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23:40.57 | Freeaqingme | I just crashed my taskbar, what process do I need to start to get it back again? (kde4) |
23:41.33 | MinceR | plasma-desktop |
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23:57.22 | slothearn | so I fixed my Kopete issue |
23:57.35 | slothearn | apparently Kopete with Compiz's legacy fullscreen workaround enabled behaves improperly |