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| 01:21.42 | troy | watches some digital tumbleweeds transmit by... |
| 01:29.17 | rrix | don't do that. You'll scare them off, troy :P |
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| 01:33.42 | troy | rrix: hey, you aren't allowed in here :P |
| 01:34.14 | sreich | wheels a gigantic horse near troy |
| 01:34.16 | sreich | a gift! |
| 01:34.23 | troy | rrix: there's a restriction - you can't be from phoenix :P |
| 01:34.34 | troy | sreich: un cadeau! |
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| 01:35.11 | sreich | indeed |
| 01:35.28 | troy | sticks sreich into a parabola |
| 01:35.29 | sreich | troy: go on, wheel it in ;) |
| 01:36.01 | troy | has been getting good work done tonight :) |
| 01:36.14 | sreich | only slightly |
| 01:36.15 | rrix | troy: since when? |
| 01:36.41 | rrix | is getting fairly good work done when sreich answers his dumb questions ;0 |
| 01:36.54 | sreich | haha |
| 01:37.34 | rrix | troy: I've been in this channel for like three years, lay off ;P |
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| 01:39.42 | troy | rrix: well, I've just been lax in patrolling the place - that changes now! :P |
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| 01:40.23 | rrix | troy: yeah yeah yeah, go predict an earthquake ;) |
| 01:40.55 | troy | rrix: we can do that (sort of), we just don't want to admit to it or dumb americans will sue us when we're not precise enough for them :) |
| 01:41.40 | rrix | touché |
| 01:41.42 | rrix | :P |
| 01:41.52 | sreich | or sue you for not preventing the earthquake too |
| 01:41.53 | sreich | ;) |
| 01:42.01 | troy | rrix: I'm at the bar, drinking beer, watching hockey, and compiling a lot of research materials for my thesis |
| 01:42.07 | troy | Zotero rules! |
| 01:42.58 | troy | oh, and I made slackware64 bit speak 32-bit executables while at the bar - which makes skype and wine and such work |
| 01:43.07 | rrix | troy: what game is on right now? |
| 01:43.18 | troy | habs/caps just ended - habs were destroyed |
| 01:43.24 | rrix | :/ |
| 01:43.26 | troy | kings/canucks starting |
| 01:43.31 | rrix | what is that 2-1 caps now? |
| 01:43.35 | troy | yep |
| 01:43.35 | rrix | or 3-0? |
| 01:43.36 | Ender2070_ | canucks? |
| 01:43.37 | rrix | ah |
| 01:43.41 | troy | 2-1 |
| 01:43.47 | rrix | Ender2070_: go away canuck :P |
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| 01:44.29 | troy | Ender2070_: yeah - I hate living in the eastern timezone now though, the canucks games are soooo late :) |
| 01:46.05 | troy | rrix: plus, the wings are coming for yoooooou! |
| 01:46.21 | rrix | troy: the coyotes are 2-1 right now; should be a close series :) |
| 01:46.26 | troy | loves the Jets, hates the anti-Jets from phoenix :) |
| 01:46.35 | troy | come home Jets! |
| 01:46.40 | rrix | troy: LOL |
| 01:46.43 | rrix | someone's stuck in the past |
| 01:46.58 | rrix | laughs at your lack of Winnipeg-ness |
| 01:47.00 | troy | rrix: I wake up at night screaming "Go Jets Go!" |
| 01:47.11 | rrix | laughs |
| 01:48.45 | troy | I wonder how offtopic we can be in here (considering the channel is dead) before I have to kick myself :/ |
| 01:49.02 | Ender2070_ | fenris doesnt hang out here |
| 01:49.20 | troy | wonders who fenris is |
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| 01:50.17 | troy | Ender2070_: you're in the Brampton area, based on your IP... that's like, right next door to me, by canadian standards |
| 01:51.02 | troy | Ender2070_: you should come to one of our Toronto-region KDE meetups :) |
| 01:51.13 | rrix | this code is so ugly :( |
| 01:51.28 | rrix | Ender2070_: lol, fenris would already be kicking :) |
| 01:51.39 | troy | rrix: who's fenris? |
| 01:52.18 | sreich | wonders who fenris is |
| 01:53.46 | rrix | troy: #fedora's op |
| 01:54.13 | sreich | ah |
| 01:54.29 | sreich | fedora sounds like a friendly atmosphere...not. |
| 01:55.45 | troy | rrix: there's only one? |
| 01:57.05 | rrix | troy: no, but the primary one |
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| 01:57.23 | rrix | sreich: I will admit, fedora's support irc channel is messy. That doesn't say anything about the rest of the community though. |
| 01:58.14 | troy | well, pino does such a good job in here that I hardly even pay attention to the channel anymore |
| 01:58.21 | rrix | hehe |
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| 01:58.50 | sreich | ssshh he's shleeping ;) |
| 01:59.51 | troy | I should hope so :) |
| 02:00.44 | troy | is always in this channel though - since kde1 days :) |
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| 02:01.24 | Ender2070_ | [21:51] <troy> Ender2070_: you should come to one of our Toronto-region KDE meetups :) |
| 02:01.27 | Ender2070_ | i would love to |
| 02:01.32 | Ender2070_ | i am in brampton too |
| 02:01.33 | rrix | troy: old man ;) |
| 02:01.53 | Ender2070_ | i wanted to go to fudcon (fedora) but i had to move that weekend :( |
| 02:03.50 | troy | Ender2070_: I'm in London, actually, but go into Toronto often enough |
| 02:04.09 | troy | Ender2070_: planning to put Camp KDE there for next January, assuming the proposal gets finished/accepted |
| 02:04.40 | Ender2070_ | should plan it inside the Vapour Lounge |
| 02:04.42 | Ender2070_ | ;) |
| 02:05.03 | troy | Ender2070_: it's 6 days long, and needs to be dirt cheap :) looking at Ryerson right now |
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| 02:05.39 | Ender2070_ | you know what the vapour lounge is? lol i dont think you got my joke |
| 02:05.51 | troy | negatory |
| 02:06.08 | troy | is not a torontonian :P |
| 02:06.23 | Ender2070_ | its an actual place where you can go with marijuana, and they have tables set up with vapourizers everywhere which you can use to smoke the marijuana |
| 02:06.33 | Ender2070_ | LOL |
| 02:06.37 | troy | Ender2070_: well, that'd make Jos happy :P |
| 02:06.57 | Ender2070_ | its right across the street from Scientology |
| 02:07.00 | rrix | SuperSt0ned... heehee |
| 02:07.02 | Ender2070_ | which is funny enough |
| 02:08.49 | Ender2070_ | you think aseigo would be there? |
| 02:08.54 | Ender2070_ | at camp kde toronto |
| 02:10.21 | rrix | he wouldn't have the passport excuse this time, I'd imagine so :P |
| 02:10.28 | troy | Ender2070_: almost certainly, yes |
| 02:10.49 | troy | Ender2070_: if not, then I track him down and intentionally not give him a hug |
| 02:11.12 | Ender2070_ | lol |
| 02:11.23 | Ender2070_ | i want to ask for his autograph actually |
| 02:11.57 | rrix | ask him to autograph a KDE branded thong. |
| 02:12.13 | Ender2070_ | LOL |
| 02:12.29 | rrix | troy: are there any actual pictures of that thing, or was it just a story? |
| 02:15.27 | Ender2070_ | if there is my gf is getting one |
| 02:16.05 | rrix | lol |
| 02:16.36 | Ender2070_ | yes i have a gf, thats why i cant code |
| 02:17.56 | rrix | doesn't have a gf right now and still cant code; that's no excuse ;P |
| 02:18.18 | Ender2070_ | i thought you could code |
| 02:18.42 | rrix | not right now I can't |
| 02:18.48 | Ender2070_ | are you spending those late nights reading "C++ in 21 days or less" |
| 02:18.50 | rrix | chasing ld around in circles feeling like a fool |
| 02:19.06 | rrix | Ender2070_: no, i'm spending those late nights knee deep in Plasma::Corona ;P |
| 02:19.15 | Ender2070_ | wtf is that |
| 02:19.28 | rrix | heehee |
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| 02:29.08 | troy | rrix: the story is true - a fan got it custom made and mailed it to him |
| 02:29.15 | troy | rrix: there were pics at the time, but I can't find them :) |
| 02:29.40 | troy | Ender2070_: he'll just give you a hug :) |
| 02:29.53 | troy | that's usually his first response to a new person |
| 02:30.06 | rrix | troy: I know the story was true, just wondering of the pics. oh well |
| 02:30.18 | rrix | Ender2070_: he gave me a hug at ABLEconf. It was pretty alright. He was drunk though, I think |
| 02:30.31 | rrix | I don't remember it was at, like, midnight |
| 02:31.24 | troy | rrix: did you spend the entire time trying to get him into bed with you? I mean, I told you I wouldn't sleep with you, and yet you persisted! |
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| 02:32.55 | troy | (for those confused, there is a large quantity of gay jokes at any given kde conference, mostly taken as good sport :)) |
| 02:33.00 | rrix | troy: I persisted because it annoyed you. If I tried with aseigo he'd probably have said yes to fuck with me :p |
| 02:33.27 | troy | rrix: but you were underage! :P |
| 02:33.36 | rrix | troy: lies and slander! |
| 02:33.45 | rrix | I wasn't underage, most of the time. |
| 02:34.07 | rrix | I was even sober most of the time, you wouldn't have had to feel bad about it |
| 02:34.24 | rrix | chuckles |
| 02:37.17 | rrix | and fwiw, I wasn't the one who went out drinking and raising hell with him after the after-party. Apparently he and one of the other ABLEconf organizers went out and got supremely trashed and went clubbing after the afterparty :P |
| 02:42.10 | Paddy_NI | pinotree: Are you responsible for Okular? |
| 02:42.58 | Paddy_NI | pinotree: I was just wondering how you have been getting on with printing say even/odd pages only? |
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| 02:45.48 | troy | Paddy_NI: that problem is a kde-wide issue, and should be fully fixed with qt 4.7, afaik |
| 02:46.03 | troy | Paddy_NI: but don't quote me on that :) |
| 02:46.09 | Paddy_NI | oh okay |
| 02:46.15 | troy | Paddy_NI: also, pinotree is sleeping right now - europe |
| 02:46.26 | Paddy_NI | I am in Ireland |
| 02:46.45 | Paddy_NI | Sleep is overrated |
| 02:46.48 | Paddy_NI | :P |
| 02:46.55 | troy | Paddy_NI: so you're up late :) he's probably one or two timezones later yet, since he's in Italy |
| 02:47.06 | Paddy_NI | ah |
| 02:47.43 | Paddy_NI | Sorry to sound ignorant but sending just odd pages to a printer does not sound like a massively complex task |
| 02:48.00 | Paddy_NI | again perhaps I underestimate the complexities of these things |
| 02:48.27 | troy | Paddy_NI: no, but it's one of those things where the feature freeze had already hit in qt before the patch was ready/tested, etc... |
| 02:48.49 | Paddy_NI | ah I see... I wonder if it will be ready by kde 4.5 |
| 02:48.49 | troy | Paddy_NI: so it's more of a time management oops that anything - it'll be fixed soon |
| 02:48.50 | oneforall | any one of another desktop capture app other than recordmydesktop? |
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| 02:49.05 | oneforall | of/know of |
| 02:49.05 | troy | Paddy_NI: well, it's going into Qt, not KDE |
| 02:49.31 | Paddy_NI | troy: oh I see.. silly me :) |
| 02:49.35 | troy | Paddy_NI: in 2.x/3.x, we had our own printing system. In KDE 4, it had no maintainer, so we dropped down to the Qt printing stuff and lost a lot of functionality |
| 02:49.57 | troy | Paddy_NI: it's one of the pitfalls of open source - if no one is interested in some component, no work gets done |
| 02:50.05 | Paddy_NI | :( |
| 02:50.16 | troy | Paddy_NI: then, we decided it needed fixing, and decided to push it upstream into qt |
| 02:50.23 | troy | Paddy_NI: but then missed a patch deadline |
| 02:50.33 | Paddy_NI | bugger :) |
| 02:51.04 | troy | that's life, I guess, but in the end, it gets put into Qt and benefits all Qt using apps instead of just kde apps |
| 02:51.04 | Paddy_NI | I guess it aint a major issue... I suppose openoffice would still work iirc |
| 02:51.16 | Paddy_NI | troy: yeah better for the long run |
| 02:51.23 | Paddy_NI | wise decision ultimately |
| 02:51.26 | troy | it was the 'right thing(tm)' to do :) |
| 02:51.32 | Paddy_NI | :) |
| 02:51.33 | troy | brb, need more beer |
| 02:51.39 | Paddy_NI | sure thing |
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| 02:54.41 | troy | I think this is my last one of the night - India Pale Ale's for the win! |
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| 03:04.45 | billybong | hello |
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| 03:05.13 | billybong | i just installed kde4 and entered "/usr/local/kde4/bin/startkde4" in my .xinitrc |
| 03:05.23 | billybong | i did "startx" and it all come up |
| 03:05.34 | billybong | but my mouse does not work |
| 03:05.44 | billybong | and no matter what i hit nothing happens any ideas what i could try ? |
| 03:06.09 | billybong | i had fluxbox workin 5 minutes ago with a mouse |
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| 03:06.54 | billybong | but after i installed kde4 now it does not work either |
| 03:07.25 | troy | billybong: distro? |
| 03:07.41 | billybong | freebsd |
| 03:08.10 | billybong | i havnt' run kde in 2 years |
| 03:08.19 | billybong | none of the old initial setup stuff come up that used to come up |
| 03:08.41 | billybong | the mouse was a dark pointer and there was some weird bubble or something on the top right |
| 03:08.53 | billybong | nothing like i remember the first run of kde being like |
| 03:09.48 | oneforall | yeah being able to except defaults or do custom was nice . |
| 03:10.05 | billybong | doesn't have that anymore ? |
| 03:10.19 | billybong | it just come up a dark screen with a dark mouse pointer |
| 03:10.22 | billybong | but mouse doesn't work at all |
| 03:10.34 | billybong | there was no menu at the bottom like their used t ob e either |
| 03:11.36 | oneforall | you compile oxygen-icons |
| 03:11.55 | oneforall | not for the mouse but needed for the panel etc |
| 03:11.56 | billybong | i just added it all as a package |
| 03:12.02 | billybong | oh |
| 03:12.08 | billybong | i'm more worried about the mouse atm |
| 03:12.13 | oneforall | yeah |
| 03:12.19 | billybong | i tried starting fluxbox now too and mouse doesn't work either |
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| 03:13.33 | Ender2070_ | is the mouse plugged in? |
| 03:14.01 | oneforall | you look at the log too |
| 03:14.14 | oneforall | Xorg.0.log |
| 03:16.58 | billybong | yes the mouse is plugged in |
| 03:17.32 | billybong | it works fine in console |
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| 03:18.58 | billybong | brb 2 seconds |
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| 03:19.41 | billybong | ok |
| 03:20.01 | billybong | anything else i can try ? |
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| 03:22.23 | Ender2070_ | did u try a freebsd related resource? |
| 03:22.56 | troy | billybong: try #kde-freebsd or #freebsd-kde (can't remember which one is the right one - been a while since I lived in bsd-land) |
| 03:23.03 | troy | I think it's the latter |
| 03:23.53 | billybong | k |
| 03:23.55 | troy | billybong: and honestly, kde should not affect fluxbox, which makes me think that something else is wrong :/ |
| 03:24.02 | billybong | ya me to |
| 03:24.04 | billybong | i'll try #xorg |
| 03:24.07 | billybong | thanks anyways |
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| 03:32.18 | Vamp898 | what does the OpenGL --> Textures from Pixmap settings in systemsettings does? |
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| 04:03.02 | troy | aaand, he's back |
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| 06:18.44 | m_goku | glad to find out this blog http://khtml-konqueror.blogspot.com/, that khtml is still alive |
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| 06:19.35 | cb400f | read the changelog for kde sc releases ... khtml has a bunch of bugs fixed everytime |
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| 06:19.47 | cb400f | .. and even got new features like html5 video and audio |
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| 06:20.10 | m_goku | yeah |
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| 06:20.53 | m_goku | a lot better than the last time i tried it |
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| 06:34.01 | m_goku | just tried konqueror (with browser identification as Firefox, with khtml) to access gmail standard view, work prefectly |
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| 07:14.36 | oneforall | whats the best way to clean the .thumbnails? |
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| 07:17.13 | Torch | oneforall: rm -r? |
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| 07:18.10 | oneforall | well was just wondering if it beter to do it some other way incase its keeping a record |
| 07:18.11 | Torch | oneforall: no, you can just delete the files |
| 07:18.17 | oneforall | thanks |
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| 07:23.59 | oneforall | 5.7Gb few thousand in there |
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| 07:42.02 | oneforall | wow that dirs taking a while to delete . bash: /usr/bin/rm: Argument list too long from rm *.pmg lol |
| 07:42.15 | oneforall | png* |
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| 07:50.10 | Torch | oneforall: just rm -r the dir then |
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| 07:50.40 | oneforall | yeah I did . |
| 07:50.55 | oneforall | the if ways 1 file at a time would take even longer :) |
| 07:51.26 | oneforall | way* |
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| 07:52.38 | Torch | oneforall: it's still one file at a time even if you delete the dir |
| 07:53.10 | oneforall | ah well shorter command then |
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| 09:06.05 | CrummyGummy | Hi, how can I get knetworkmanager to load first on startup? I'm tired of other apps that need the network loading first and then needing to be refreshed. |
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| 09:06.28 | annma | what apps? |
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| 09:06.39 | CrummyGummy | quassel is one. |
| 09:06.48 | annma | isn't your connection restored before you load KDE?* |
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| 09:07.22 | annma | so you mean you don't have any connection before knetworkmanager is loaded? |
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| 09:07.51 | CrummyGummy | No, knetwork manager handles the gsm modem connection for me |
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| 09:08.53 | eMxyzptlk | Hello, how can execute a commande either before suspend or right after the laptop wakes up? I would like to use amixer to take the Master volume down to 0 because sometimes the PC sleeps while a music is on at home and the next day at the office, it goes back on when I open it.. |
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| 09:11.30 | hyper_ch | hi there, I changed my default printer yesterday but in Okular that change is not respected. Everytime I open a document with Okular it sets the old default printer again to print |
| 09:11.54 | pinotree | does it happen also in other kde applications? |
| 09:12.09 | pinotree | or in other qt-only (no kde) applications? |
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| 09:16.10 | pinotree | hyper_ch: â |
| 09:16.33 | hyper_ch | pinotree: also in firefox... still uses my old default printer |
| 09:16.44 | pinotree | not a kde issue then |
| 09:16.53 | hyper_ch | and I think it's also in KDEPIM |
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| 09:19.28 | hyper_ch | pinotree: actually, nothing respects the default printer that is set in the system settings |
| 09:19.50 | pinotree | are you really sure to have set that printer as new default? |
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| 09:21.03 | hyper_ch | pinotree: well, in the kde system settings it is marked as default printer |
| 09:21.19 | pinotree | and in http://localhost:631 ? |
| 09:21.57 | hyper_ch | pinotree: where to find out what is default printer there? |
| 09:22.08 | rcc | hi guys |
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| 09:22.30 | hyper_ch | I just get an alphabetical list of all printers in cups |
| 09:22.42 | rcc | in dolphin, is there a way to highlight the current path/URL whenever I click Ctrl-L/F6 ? |
| 09:23.35 | pinotree | afair in each printer's page, there are the attributes next to the name, including a "server default" |
| 09:24.24 | hyper_ch | pinotree: but how to find out which one is default now? |
| 09:24.29 | pinotree | one by one |
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| 09:24.50 | hyper_ch | right |
| 09:24.54 | hyper_ch | I see it now |
| 09:24.58 | hyper_ch | the right printer is default there |
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| 09:25.04 | hyper_ch | but all kde apps do not respect that |
| 09:25.11 | hyper_ch | they show the old one first |
| 09:25.39 | pinotree | kde apps have nothing to do with that, this is part of the qt print dialog |
| 09:26.07 | hyper_ch | then qt print dialog does not respect the default printer |
| 09:28.21 | hyper_ch | pinotree: I'm just (trying) to make a screencast... |
| 09:29.01 | pinotree | try to see whether the issue happens with qt-only (not kde) applications |
| 09:29.07 | pinotree | if it does, report the bug to qt |
| 09:29.16 | hyper_ch | what's a qt-only app? |
| 09:29.41 | pinotree | an application which uses qt but not kde libraries? |
| 09:30.13 | hyper_ch | pinotree: I suspected this much... but how to know which app would be a qt-only app? |
| 09:30.20 | thiago | report to Qt only if you're a developer |
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| 09:32.26 | cb400f | hyper_ch: smplayer or vlc for example.. can't remember if they have any printing support though :-) |
| 09:32.43 | cb400f | maybe you have access to qt4 version of scribus |
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| 09:33.51 | hyper_ch | I made the screen cast but qt-recordmydesktop skips quite a bit ahead |
| 09:33.54 | hyper_ch | if any is interested |
| 09:34.26 | hyper_ch | got a scribus using qt 3.3.8 |
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| 09:37.59 | oestreich | HAHAHA |
| 09:38.38 | hyper_ch | pinotree: http://www.sjau.ch/bugs/Lucid_Default_Printer.ogv |
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| 10:23.01 | Angus | hello |
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| 10:36.18 | miasma | are the konqueror patches really as small as seen here http://khtml-konqueror.blogspot.com/ - why do you keep it alive? wouldn't it be 100x more productive to make use of some other engine with wide 3rd party support? |
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| 10:49.49 | cb400f | miasma: you think free software development works with centralized planning and ordering people what to work on? |
| 10:50.16 | cb400f | can I order you to work on specific stuff? |
| 10:50.59 | cb400f | the khtml guys work on whatever they damn please.. if you don't like konq use something else |
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| 11:00.31 | annma | miasma: what other engine? |
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| 11:05.25 | miasma | cb400f: ok |
| 11:05.27 | miasma | just asking |
| 11:05.42 | miasma | annma: e.g. webkit? isn't it becoming a big part of qt |
| 11:05.58 | cb400f | so use rekonq if you want a kde webkit browser |
| 11:06.02 | annma | what does it do better |
| 11:06.03 | miasma | it's not just about me |
| 11:06.11 | miasma | e.g. web browsers and GPUs are advancing really quickly nowadays |
| 11:06.19 | annma | who is it about then |
| 11:06.30 | miasma | the whole user base |
| 11:06.32 | annma | so? |
| 11:06.45 | miasma | i'm just asking what's the rationale behind konqueror |
| 11:06.45 | annma | khtml is the base of several knowned browsers |
| 11:07.13 | pinotree | note that konqueror is not khtml, and khtml is not konqueror |
| 11:07.17 | miasma | e.g. I think gnome provides webkit support in epiphany |
| 11:07.25 | annma | yup |
| 11:07.33 | annma | you're mixing engine and browser |
| 11:07.42 | annma | who cares about gnome |
| 11:07.46 | cb400f | default browser/engine is a distro issue for most users anyway |
| 11:07.48 | miasma | am asking because there are several sites that refuse to work with konqueror |
| 11:08.01 | cb400f | hardly any distros ship epiphany as the default gnome browser |
| 11:08.03 | annma | so file bug reports |
| 11:08.08 | pinotree | again khtml/konqueror confusion |
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| 11:08.26 | annma | and give URLs here so I can check with trunk miasma |
| 11:08.29 | miasma | pinotree: the konqueror you provide doesn't provide any other engine options by default |
| 11:08.39 | pinotree | and? |
| 11:08.40 | annma | miasma: give urls |
| 11:08.48 | miasma | annma: e.g. youtube & html5 videos, rapidshare and failed downloads |
| 11:08.58 | annma | youtube? |
| 11:09.08 | pinotree | the konqueror we provide can be extended to have other engines, like it actually happens |
| 11:09.12 | miasma | annma: i can't see any videos anymore because of the html5 content |
| 11:09.51 | miasma | pinotree: so in kde 4.5 you can choose between many engines in konqueror? |
| 11:10.12 | pinotree | miasma: you can do that since years, provided you have engine plugins installed |
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| 11:10.22 | miasma | pinotree: what it means that you must also provide those alternatives. you can't expect users to compile & program themselves |
| 11:10.38 | pinotree | we "must"? |
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| 11:10.45 | miasma | whatever |
| 11:10.52 | pinotree | where is that written that we "must"? |
| 11:11.09 | miasma | well of course you can do whatever you want |
| 11:11.14 | miasma | it's just a waste of time |
| 11:11.38 | pinotree | right, just like this discussion, which based on your miss of knowledge of facts |
| 11:11.47 | annma | anyway here is not the channel to do your requests |
| 11:12.01 | annma | mail the khtml mailing list woth your use cases and suggestions |
| 11:12.12 | miasma | pinotree: e.g. a suboptimal web browser hurts the general image of the project |
| 11:12.25 | miasma | the end user sees a browser, not khtml |
| 11:12.45 | annma | the end user is pretty happy |
| 11:13.09 | miasma | fine. e.g. my online banking service won't let me pay bills anymore with konqueror |
| 11:13.11 | annma | do not worry too much |
| 11:13.13 | pinotree | the end user blames linux for anything wrong it sees :) |
| 11:13.23 | cb400f | :-) |
| 11:13.33 | pinotree | s/it/he/ |
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| 11:13.53 | annma | when the end user is intelligent he can balance the + and - of each OS |
| 11:14.03 | annma | every OS has its + and - |
| 11:14.04 | miasma | i guess you're missing the point |
| 11:14.08 | annma | no, no |
| 11:14.15 | miasma | i mean surely there's some goal for kde |
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| 11:14.31 | annma | no |
| 11:14.32 | miasma | and it's benefical to have a functional browser, right? |
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| 11:14.37 | annma | no |
| 11:14.40 | miasma | i see |
| 11:14.48 | miasma | well that explains it |
| 11:14.59 | cb400f | miasma: you're missing the point.. +95% of users get their kde from a distro.. and the distro chooses the default browser, not kde |
| 11:15.11 | annma | you should read a bit about FLOSS miasma |
| 11:15.43 | miasma | annma: when I write FOSS code, I enjoy it because I know it's useful for the users. I listen to their requests and try to optimize the global goal to maximize happiness |
| 11:15.56 | annma | sure, what floss is that |
| 11:16.01 | miasma | it seems like kde developers have egoistic goals |
| 11:16.05 | miasma | what makes them happy |
| 11:16.06 | miasma | and not users |
| 11:16.18 | Torch | miasma: pay me and i'll code what makes you happy |
| 11:16.24 | Torch | miasma: simple enough. |
| 11:16.25 | annma | we have mailing lists for your requests |
| 11:16.50 | annma | IRC is not a proper channel for this, not #kde in any case |
| 11:16.52 | miasma | annma: the MLs won't help when the common goal is bad or lost |
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| 11:17.10 | annma | sure it's easier to whine here |
| 11:17.19 | miasma | it's not whining.. |
| 11:17.22 | annma | than to talk directly to the proper person |
| 11:17.23 | night | hi, i can't find twitter microblogging in widgets, so I guess I don't have it installed. Where can I get it from? |
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| 11:17.32 | miasma | annma: you just always fail to answer simple questions |
| 11:17.33 | pinotree | night: kdeplasma-addons |
| 11:17.41 | annma | what simple question? |
| 11:17.49 | miasma | annma: and it feels like you're one of the most arrogant communities out there |
| 11:17.55 | annma | as if you answered what FLOSS you contribute to |
| 11:18.35 | icwiener | giggles :) |
| 11:18.35 | annma | hey icwiener |
| 11:18.35 | icwiener | annma: Hi. |
| 11:18.43 | miasma | annma: well you answered my question. it just seems that your lack of co-operation forces people to rewrite the whole desktop |
| 11:18.44 | pinotree | miasma: not that coming here and pretending to know what end users do and accusing us to be "egoist" is less arrongant |
| 11:18.47 | icwiener | annma: You always get in these kinds of fights, do you? :) |
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| 11:19.00 | night | pinotree: ty |
| 11:19.17 | miasma | it just saddens me to see so much wasted work |
| 11:19.38 | cb400f | night: may want to checkout chokoq too if you don't know it.. even though it's not a widget |
| 11:19.40 | night | pinotree: well I have it installed but no twitter still |
| 11:19.44 | annma | icwiener: actually I often get great help from people having a grudge when they just have a will to help |
| 11:20.09 | pinotree | miasma: you are assuming people working on something would just magically move on something else if told to... that's not how things work |
| 11:20.10 | annma | like checking a khtml bug on an url |
| 11:20.11 | miasma | annma: do you think that people just come to complain you because they're annoying and have nothing else to do. they actually might have suggestions that improve the situation |
| 11:20.28 | night | cb400f: well I need something to fit my desktop |
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| 11:21.00 | annma | I tried to channel your questions/requests/whatever to the proper people |
| 11:21.12 | pinotree | night: move the monitor of your computer a bit on the right and see there will be more space on your desktop ;) |
| 11:21.47 | cb400f | well.. "switch konq to webkit and fix all the bugs" is not easily done.. and about two gazillion people have had that brilliant idea before |
| 11:22.03 | night | pinotree: no I mean, graphically fit my desktop :D |
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| 11:22.24 | miasma | cb400f: I know a handful of projects that have built webkit browsers from scratch. it cannot be that hard |
| 11:22.27 | pinotree | "TODO: fix all the bugs" doesn't sound like a new idea, does it? |
| 11:22.46 | cb400f | miasma: and rekonq exists, so why don't you support that instead of obsessing about konq? |
| 11:22.51 | icwiener | miasma: Manpower is a common problem in most communities. Just pointing someone to a problem does not mean, it will be fixed immediately. There are many old reports with little issues here and there that just have no attention. generally things get done if someone does it. Let it be you or some other developer who finds the time to do it. |
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| 11:23.27 | pinotree | night: ah! ;) |
| 11:23.29 | miasma | cb400f: i don't know how I could support that. it seems no matter how good webkit browsers get, the default engine won't switch to non-khtml one |
| 11:23.34 | cb400f | writing something from scratch might be a lot easier than migrating existsing stuff |
| 11:24.06 | cb400f | eh? rekonq can't anything but webkit afaik |
| 11:24.08 | miasma | cb400f: it's more about politics than technical matters |
| 11:24.20 | miasma | i mean you've already shipped crap, e.g. kde 4.0 |
| 11:24.20 | pinotree | right, so when the newly rewritten-from-scratch thing gets a couple of years old and buggy, you rewrite it again |
| 11:24.25 | miasma | so QA doesn't matter |
| 11:24.28 | icwiener | annma: Yes, I know what you do. Though I found you having these kind of discussions several times in the last few weeks. Others usually stop answering earlier than you. :) |
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| 11:24.55 | miasma | pinotree: kde 4.0 .. 4.2 releases were quite buggy so it shouldn't matter, right? |
| 11:25.24 | pinotree | miasma: you are implying we continue to ship crap/buggy stuff? |
| 11:25.26 | svuorela | miasma: your mom were guite buggy |
| 11:25.29 | miasma | pinotree: if you only develop for your own enjoyment and don't care about potential users, what does QA matter anyways |
| 11:25.29 | icwiener | miasma: 4.0 wasn't crap; it was the first version of a huge restrucuration ... nothing more, nothing less. Distros were not supposed to ship those. |
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| 11:25.37 | icwiener | svuorela: :D |
| 11:26.03 | pinotree | miasma: oh please, the "you don't care" is the best way to just prove yourself you have *no* interest in improving the situation, but just in whining |
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| 11:26.21 | miasma | sigh, oh well |
| 11:26.28 | miasma | i just don't understand kde |
| 11:26.31 | svuorela | miasma: where are your patches ? |
| 11:26.42 | svuorela | code talks, and all that. |
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| 11:29.24 | miasma | I think it's too much work for a single person, even if he/she was a lot more talented than me |
| 11:29.25 | howlymowly | hi poeple... short question: I want to know wether it is somehow possible to give a kde-window a "toolbox" caption by default? for example to firefox to give it more "space" for browsing... |
| 11:29.42 | miasma | that's why I think something software politics need to guide the process |
| 11:29.46 | miasma | *sometimes |
| 11:30.01 | miasma | e.g. "choosing" webkit might attract new developers |
| 11:30.15 | pinotree | politics always makes damages, either in free software and in real life |
| 11:30.19 | miasma | ok |
| 11:31.29 | icwiener | miasma: It is hard to tell hundreds of unpaid leisure-time developers (and contributors) to run in a direction that was given by management. |
| 11:31.50 | icwiener | miasma: Many of the people in KDE do that already in their day job. |
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| 11:32.25 | icwiener | It would scare many people away from the community if they were pushed around here by politics. |
| 11:32.29 | Torch | howlymowly: you can just hide the window decoration |
| 11:32.34 | miasma | icwiener: it's always not. if they see the value behind the organized effort, they might be better motivated. but I didn't mean that webkit would be the best option. of course I would let the lead developer choose the technology, and so forth |
| 11:33.14 | howlymowly | Torch: yeah I do that right now using a shortcut... but I would rather like to have that toolbar-thingy :) |
| 11:33.29 | miasma | icwiener: ok, but you answered my question. now I see the situation better and don't have unrealistic expectiations |
| 11:33.29 | howlymowly | because I drag windows around quiet a lot of times... |
| 11:33.43 | Torch | howlymowly: alt+left mouse button still drags without decoration |
| 11:33.51 | miasma | icwiener: I mean that's a reasonable goal per se. not always very productive, but at least it gives the freedom |
| 11:34.03 | pinotree | howlymowly: you can show/hide the window decoration using a keyboard combination |
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| 11:34.51 | howlymowly | pinotree: Torch: i know, but still my personal preference would be a toolbar-like window decoration :) but I guess that's not possible then? |
| 11:35.08 | Torch | howlymowly: if it is i'm not aware of it |
| 11:35.18 | howlymowly | kk.. but thx anyway :) |
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| 12:04.58 | eMxyzptlk | Hello, how can execute a command either before suspend or right after the laptop wakes up? Which backend does KDE uses ? |
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| 13:02.29 | Zombie | Greetings. |
| 13:02.51 | Zombie | I have a rather unorthodox problem with KDE Shortcuts. |
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| 13:05.36 | MTecknology | How do I change the screen resolution in KDE? |
| 13:06.36 | QwertyM | System Settings > Display |
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| 13:10.15 | Zombie | Basically, I want a third party application that I want to launch KDE Shortcuts from. |
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| 13:11.01 | MTecknology | QwertyM: thanks |
| 13:11.09 | Zombie | This third party shell basically does the equivilent of start a program from the command line. |
| 13:11.15 | Zombie | Its for Arcade machines. |
| 13:11.19 | Zombie | However. |
| 13:11.32 | Zombie | I'm inable to get consistant behavior. |
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| 13:18.49 | CrummyGummy | http://sexylosers.com/139.html\ |
| 13:18.53 | CrummyGummy | bwahahaha |
| 13:19.10 | CrummyGummy | sfw for once. Don't view too much more. |
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| 13:19.31 | pinotree | CrummyGummy: hm?? |
| 13:19.34 | CrummyGummy | crap, wrong channel |
| 13:19.36 | CrummyGummy | sorry |
| 13:19.43 | tuxick | quite |
| 13:20.19 | CrummyGummy | but it was sfw. |
| 13:20.49 | fynn | Hi. Is there a way to do incremental search of filenames in the KDE file browser (Konquerer?) like one can do in Nautilus? |
| 13:21.25 | fynn | Someone here told me about the "filter bar", but I've googled and it seems like he was referring to a bar that exists in Dolphin, i.e. KDE 4's file browser. |
| 13:21.51 | fynn | I'm using KDE 3 with Konquerer 3, which doesn't seem to have that filter bar. |
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| 13:23.20 | cb400f | there was a service thingy for that |
| 13:23.49 | cb400f | which let the search bar serve as a filter bar when doing file management |
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| 13:24.27 | fynn | cb400f: interesting, that could work well; any link / further information? |
| 13:24.31 | monty_hall | Is there a hotkey where I can toggle/minimize everything on the desktop so I can see my notepad plasmoid? |
| 13:24.47 | fynn | cb400f: I can't even seem to get the search bar displayed on file-management mode. |
| 13:24.49 | cb400f | I'll have to ask my grandparents if they remember anything about kde3 :-) |
| 13:24.53 | monty_hall | ctrl-f9/f10 (I'm not sure if this is correct) doesn't do anything. |
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| 13:29.08 | cb400f | fynn: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/konqueror+quickfilter?content=22720 |
| 13:29.25 | cb400f | you're lucky I'm in a good mood .. normally kde3 support is against my morals :-) |
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| 13:31.48 | Huhtiranta | Greetings. I mapped one button of my keyboard to U262E symbol and assigned it to a kwin hotkey. The shortcut table accepted that symbol but kwin does not respond when the hotkey is pressed. Is there any way to fix this? |
| 13:33.10 | Huhtiranta | That is to say: is it possible to use arbitrary unicode symbols as hotkeys? |
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| 13:46.32 | fynn | cb400f: thanks, and it's not exactly by choice; I'm administering a CentOS 5.3 box :) |
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| 15:14.28 | tuxick | how come things like desktop cube are super fast, while resizing konsole window takes forever? |
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| 15:17.06 | brenddie | kde 4.4.2 , all my KDE related icons disappeared and the clock shows a time in the future by 4 hours |
| 15:17.31 | brenddie | if i click the area where the kde start menu buttons was located the menu still opens but nothing has icons |
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| 15:18.20 | brenddie | how can i reload KDE without having to logout? |
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| 15:19.52 | Mogger | brenddie: what do you mean by "reload KDE"? |
| 15:20.34 | brenddie | reload like forcing a redraw maybe? |
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| 15:21.04 | brenddie | already tried reload window manager from the compiz menu |
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| 15:23.13 | Mogger | brenddie: you can quit plasma-desktop and start it again, if that's what you want |
| 15:23.17 | Mogger | kquitapp plasma-desktop |
| 15:23.21 | Mogger | plasma-desktop |
| 15:23.42 | brenddie | let me try |
| 15:24.58 | brenddie | plasma-desktop(12988): Communication problem with "plasma-desktop" , it probably crashed. |
| 15:25.09 | brenddie | Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" : " "The name org.kde.plasma-desktop was not provided by any .service files" " |
| 15:25.27 | brenddie | ah, nevermind, it came back up now |
| 15:25.45 | brenddie | that was weird |
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| 15:25.56 | brenddie | never happened before |
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| 15:26.43 | brenddie | lost taskbar window list ordering on the reload |
| 15:27.09 | brenddie | Mogger , thanks, that was excatly what i was looking for |
| 15:27.40 | Mogger | brenddie: you're welcome :) |
| 15:28.13 | brenddie | any idea what could have caused it? |
| 15:28.33 | brenddie | missing icons and the clock showing wrong time |
| 15:28.46 | brenddie | i dont see anything on the logs |
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| 16:31.20 | jpwhiting | hey all, running trunk kde here, and kephal thinks I have one screen (probably because I'm using twinview with nvidia drivers) |
| 16:31.33 | jpwhiting | xrandr also thinks I've got one big screen |
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| 16:52.26 | icwiener | pinotree: One guy just reported to me that he is not able to print several pages on one page; neither to a printer, nor to a PDF file. Any way I could help him there? |
| 16:52.38 | icwiener | pinotree: From Okular that is. |
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| 16:53.47 | Nafri | hello, is there any alternative to knetwork manager? knetworkmanager's behaviour is wierd :S |
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| 16:57.26 | jpwhiting | unless you mean just an alternative network manager ui, wicd is a whole different system :) |
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| 17:52.13 | Hatl | hi! i think i found a bug in kde 4.4.2: if i start kwrite, fonts are normal. if i do a "xrandr -o left" and start kwrite again, the fonts are too big: |
| 17:52.15 | Hatl | http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/143/beforerotate.png |
| 17:52.19 | Hatl | http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9179/afterrotate.png |
| 17:52.50 | Hatl | can anybody confirm this? i got the same problem with every application |
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| 18:00.04 | Mamarok | Hatl: could you please file a bug with the screenshots? |
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| 18:00.42 | Hatl | ok, mom |
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| 18:08.18 | Hatl | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234912 |
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| 18:10.34 | karsten | In KDE3: is it possible to configure window dimensions to be displayed when resizing a window (as in WindowMaker)? |
| 18:11.23 | sreich | in KDE4 it is |
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| 18:13.43 | karsten | And 3? |
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| 18:16.40 | sreich | I have no idea, I haven't used kde3 in a while, nor have quite a few people here, I would say. |
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| 18:23.52 | silver_hook | Hullo. |
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| 18:24.59 | silver_hook | I've upgraded my X to 1.7 and now all of the sudden my fonts are smaller. |
| 18:25.05 | silver_hook | This doesn't bother me really â I like them small. |
| 18:25.44 | silver_hook | But what *does* bother me is that now the A4 paper in Okular, KWord etc. at 100% zoom is also smaller then IRL. |
| 18:25.44 | MoDaX | silver_hook: DPI changed |
| 18:25.52 | silver_hook | MoDaX: I know. |
| 18:26.08 | silver_hook | Where do I set that in 1.7? |
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| 18:26.32 | silver_hook | In the past I know it was in xorg.conf |
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| 18:26.38 | silver_hook | But isn't that now deprecated? |
| 18:26.56 | troy | silver_hook: you can check the kde fonts module in system settings - there's a dpi option in there |
| 18:27.02 | MoDaX | silver_hook: xorg.conff is not deprecated for customization. you may also set fonts DPI in system settings |
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| 18:27.30 | silver_hook | troy: I don't mind the fonts. What I mind is that the A4 paper on screen doesn't equal A4 paper in physical form. |
| 18:27.34 | MoDaX | you may also try xorg.conf.d if it is supported with your X |
| 18:27.57 | silver_hook | MoDaX: Is the xorg.conf.d/ supported in 1.7 or 1.8? |
| 18:28.15 | MoDaX | silver_hook: 1.8 but some distros patched 1.7 |
| 18:30.06 | MoDaX | silver_hook: iirc, you need to set DisplaySize in monitor section |
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| 18:32.51 | silver_hook | MoDaX: Yup. But AFAIK X should already guess the size from the HW, innit? |
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| 18:34.10 | karsten | prefers software that works, thanks much. |
| 18:34.19 | MoDaX | silver_hook: I'm not sure but 1.7 might have started ignoring this like windoze |
| 18:34.32 | silver_hook | O_o |
| 18:34.45 | silver_hook | Why the bloody hell would it do that O_o |
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| 18:35.52 | MoDaX | I don't want to spread disinformation. check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:38.21 | MoDaX | karsten: who don't? |
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| 18:39.29 | silver_hook | (II) intel(0): Setting screen physical size to 381 x 238 |
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| 18:39.56 | Sanitoeter | any idea what could be the cause for this font corruption in kde? -> http://images.inside-irc.net/image/corrupted-g13nhmcf.png?page |
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| 18:44.55 | silver_hook | OK, got the bugger. |
| 18:45.11 | silver_hook | My physical size is different then the one Intel drivers report :P |
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| 18:49.29 | Uresu | Hi all, how do I hide certain apps in the task manager? Like skype for instance, which appears in the system-tray |
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| 18:51.46 | vHanda_ | Does anyone know how to get widget sharing to work. I get to the part where it says -"whatever" has been shared. Add it to your desktop activity. But nothing seems to happen after that. |
| 18:51.51 | sreich | Uresu: you should just be able to right click the window's titlebar and go into advanced, then window-specific settings (or application specific). Then under Preferences select "skip taskbar" |
| 18:52.36 | sreich | vHanda_: did you add the widget on the remote end? |
| 18:52.50 | vHanda_ | sreich: Yup. |
| 18:53.03 | vHanda_ | sreich: And that is when nothing happened. |
| 18:53.59 | vHanda_ | A how-to should be written. The gsoc proposal says that he should have written one, but I can't find it anywhere. |
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| 18:56.14 | Uresu | sreich: Thanks for answering, that doesn't seem to make any difference :/ |
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| 18:57.26 | turmfalke | [kde: 4.3.2] at which place does KDE expects to find the plugins so that you can find them with KServiceTypeTrader? |
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| 18:58.36 | pinotree | turmfalke: what do are you doing? |
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| 18:59.36 | turmfalke | I compiled a program which use KServiceTypeTraders to find its plugins. The problem is that I get the feeling that the installation placed them in the wrong folder. |
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| 19:00.05 | turmfalke | currently they are in /usr/local/lib/kde4 I doubt that is the correct place |
| 19:00.09 | pinotree | which prefix did you install the program to? |
| 19:00.21 | Uresu | sreich: Doh! I didnt see the tick box nect to the rule, thanks foir your help |
| 19:00.28 | sreich | lol |
| 19:00.30 | sreich | np |
| 19:01.00 | svuorela | turmfalke: set KDEDIRS appropriately |
| 19:01.30 | turmfalke | hm.. looks like KDEDIRS ist currently empty |
| 19:02.49 | sreich | there's your problem :) |
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| 19:17.10 | troy | hrm, mine is - guess so... |
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| 20:33.28 | KenBW2 | is it possible to get compiz to do compositing on kwin? |
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| 20:46.46 | troy | KenBW2: yes |
| 20:47.03 | troy | KenBW2: but check compiz for instructions |
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| 20:50.13 | troy | KenBW2: you can also set the variable $KDEWM in your startup scripts |
| 20:50.20 | troy | KenBW2: or just run compiz --replace (iirc) |
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| 20:51.05 | troy | ran out of ideas now :) |
| 20:52.46 | pinotree | troy: moo |
| 20:52.54 | troy | pinotree: meow? |
| 20:53.01 | pinotree | pets troy |
| 20:53.11 | troy | licks pinotree |
| 20:54.31 | pinotree | shivers |
| 20:54.32 | troy | takes off his fur coat (painfully) and hands it to pinotree |
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| 20:58.29 | KenBW2 | troy: the problem with that is that compiz becomes the window manager |
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| 20:58.58 | pbunbun | Well compiz IS a window manager |
| 20:59.26 | pbunbun | I don't think you can use it with a different WM just to handle the decorations, although I may be wrong, been a while since i used it |
| 20:59.27 | KenBW2 | yea im thinking there might be a way to seperate one from anohther |
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| 21:00.45 | troy | KenBW2: kde can use icewm decorations (or at least it used to be able to) |
| 21:00.55 | troy | KenBW2: but compiz is not really written in a very modular way |
| 21:01.00 | KenBW2 | eugh |
| 21:01.14 | troy | KenBW2: check kde-apps.org and kde-look.org - perhaps someone wrote an adapter |
| 21:01.33 | KenBW2 | im not a fan of kwin's animations, but as a window manager its pretty amazing |
| 21:01.51 | troy | KenBW2: ah, well, can you speak opengl? :) |
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| 21:02.56 | troy | it takes very few lines of code to write kwin effect plugins :) |
| 21:03.44 | KenBW2 | no, its not the plugins |
| 21:03.59 | KenBW2 | it doesnt work too well on les-able graphics cards |
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| 21:06.04 | troy | KenBW2: that depends a lot on the cards :/ for example, kwin flies on the original EEe pcs |
| 21:06.18 | KenBW2 | it does work ok |
| 21:07.01 | troy | KenBW2: and I even use the open source amd drivers on my ancient computer attached to my tv, and it all just works |
| 21:07.05 | troy | maybe I've just been lucky |
| 21:07.13 | KenBW2 | but things like sliding effects slide the background before the window appears |
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| 21:11.13 | raboof | kdirstat seems the best of its kind, but rather abandoned. |
| 21:11.32 | raboof | is there some more modern way of finding out what's filling up your disk? |
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| 21:14.07 | troy | KenBW2: I can fix that by telling kwin to always keep the window thumbnails |
| 21:14.29 | KenBW2 | until graphics memory is depleted |
| 21:15.05 | troy | KenBW2: well, I haven't had that problem before :/ |
| 21:15.28 | KenBW2 | is the option there by default? |
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| 21:15.40 | troy | KenBW2: it's off by default, for memory purposes |
| 21:15.55 | KenBW2 | yea, but the options there? |
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| 21:16.07 | troy | KenBW2: it's under Desktop Effects->Advanced->Keep window thumbnails |
| 21:16.25 | troy | KenBW2: set that to always... the next time those windows are painted, the sliding problems should stop |
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| 21:16.45 | troy | (ie: after turning it on (and hitting apply) hit the app button a few times to see the difference) |
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| 21:18.33 | KenBW2 | i dont have that option |
| 21:18.36 | KenBW2 | kubuntu 10.04 |
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| 21:19.12 | troy | bah! it might be in a different spot, hidden under an advance options button or similar |
| 21:19.15 | ROKO__ | hello |
| 21:19.53 | troy | KenBW2: that dialog has seen a number of reorganizations as kwin's effects have matured |
| 21:19.55 | KenBW2 | troy: wait, its thre in front of me lol |
| 21:19.57 | ROKO__ | how can change themes window decorations panel transperency and color from kde4 |
| 21:19.57 | ROKO__ | ? |
| 21:20.55 | troy | ROKO__: ALT-F2->type "Colors" |
| 21:21.27 | troy | the panel transparency is separate, based on the desktop theme (does anyone know if you can adjust just the panel these days?) |
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| 21:21.48 | ROKO__ | how adjust ? |
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| 21:23.21 | troy | ROKO__: or go to System Settings->Look and Feel->Appearance -- everything should be in one place |
| 21:24.00 | ROKO__ | ^^ |
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| 21:29.11 | ROKO__ | troy |
| 21:29.20 | ROKO__ | pls send screenshot |
| 21:29.21 | ROKO__ | ^^ |
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| 21:32.23 | troy | ROKO__: sorry, can't send screenshot at the moment - what language are you using? |
| 21:32.38 | ROKO__ | bulgarian |
| 21:35.41 | troy | just pulled the settings up with the bulgarian translation loaded - the translation is very incomplete with most of system settings in English |
| 21:35.50 | troy | ROKO__: run the program 'system-settings' |
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| 21:36.06 | troy | ROKO__: select 'Appearance' from the list |
| 21:36.20 | ROKO__ | then |
| 21:36.21 | ROKO__ | ? |
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| 21:59.47 | raboof | hmm, this project has a 'configure.in.in' and a 'Makefile.am'. automake expects an 'configure.in'. |
| 21:59.55 | raboof | how do I turn 'configure.in.in' into 'configure.in'? |
| 22:00.12 | pinotree | make -f Makefile.cvs |
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| 22:01.40 | raboof | pinotree: ok, that gives me autoconf version errors, but at least something to work with :) |
| 22:01.43 | raboof | thanks |
| 22:04.11 | raboof | YOU'RE USING automake (GNU automake) 1.11. KDE requires automake 1.6.1 or newer |
| 22:04.12 | raboof | :S |
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| 22:06.42 | Paddy_NI | I am loving the way that kde 4.5 will be delivered, I just wish more people where involved with packaging kde on ubuntu :( |
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| 22:15.39 | cichlasoma | hi. how do I restore the system tray ("notification area") in panel KDE 3? It's missing in the list of applets to add to the panel. |
| 22:16.24 | pinotree | add a system tray applet |
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| 22:17.27 | KenBW2 | is it possible to change KDE globally so that changes take effect immediately, without having to click Apply? |
| 22:18.14 | pinotree | nope |
| 22:18.47 | KenBW2 | hmmm, its probably the biggest thing that annoys me about KDE |
| 22:19.09 | KenBW2 | im finding it pretty compelling, but things like that slow me down a lot |
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| 22:26.06 | thiago_home | KenBW2: no |
| 22:26.17 | thiago_home | KenBW2: you'd need to change every single application and library that provides those dialogs |
| 22:26.26 | thiago_home | and the applications that use the settings too |
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| 22:26.49 | thiago_home | probably would take a year or two of work |
| 22:30.20 | KenBW2 | thought maybe they could go through some central createDialog library or somethin |
| 22:30.22 | KenBW2 | ah well |
| 22:31.06 | thiago_home | some dialogs, yes |
| 22:31.08 | thiago_home | not all |
| 22:31.36 | KenBW2 | is there a reason KDE chose the select-apply model, unlike Gnome? |
| 22:32.17 | FoxBlitzz | KenBW2: So you have one last chance to undo your changes before you apply them? ;) |
| 22:32.30 | FoxBlitzz | Accidentally making a selection without being able to revert it is pretty freaking stupid, IMHO |
| 22:32.50 | KenBW2 | picking an option you dont intend to apply is stupid |
| 22:32.53 | FoxBlitzz | It is arguably worse for usability. Accidents become far more accidental |
| 22:33.09 | FoxBlitzz | KenBW2: It actually happens. Why do applications supply Undo functionality? |
| 22:33.15 | KenBW2 | indeed |
| 22:33.24 | KenBW2 | thats why Gnome has a Revert button, generally |
| 22:34.34 | thiago_home | KDE has always had Apply buttons |
| 22:34.47 | thiago_home | it's GNOME that chose something else |
| 22:34.53 | KenBW2 | yea i know |
| 22:35.04 | KenBW2 | but assumedly both have their respective rationales |
| 22:35.45 | thiago_home | I don't know why we consider the Apply model better |
| 22:35.46 | FoxBlitzz | KenBW2: I don't know about you, but my intuition is to click that X in the top-right corner (yes, top-right. Not top-left. I said it, so bite me) when something goes wrong. This is what every single other application does. |
| 22:35.53 | thiago_home | it's the HIG and it's always been like that |
| 22:35.57 | FoxBlitzz | It's basic consistency. |
| 22:36.22 | FoxBlitzz | thiago_home: Can we please stick to being KDE, without being influenced by Gnome evangelists who are constantly trying to infect us with their culture? |
| 22:36.35 | FoxBlitzz | I picked KDE SC for a _reason_. ;) |
| 22:36.46 | KenBW2 | FoxBlitzz: i agree, but thought there might an option |
| 22:36.51 | thiago_home | FoxBlitzz: I'll just ignore what you said |
| 22:36.59 | thiago_home | FoxBlitzz: KDE will choose what KDE thinks is best |
| 22:37.18 | thiago_home | KDE will not choose something because GNOME chose it, or because GNOME chose the opposite |
| 22:37.28 | FoxBlitzz | thiago_home: Yes. Let's not choose what Gnome thinks is best until we can be sure it will actually have foreseeable benefits |
| 22:37.35 | thiago_home | then we agree |
| 22:37.46 | FoxBlitzz | There are so many annoying behaviors Gnome has that frankly piss me off |
| 22:37.53 | KenBW2 | personally i prefer instant-apply, but im aware that its 100% down to preference |
| 22:38.03 | thiago_home | goes to bed |
| 22:38.16 | KenBW2 | FoxBlitzz: thats why im trying KDE - Gnome is pissing me off too much recently |
| 22:38.48 | KenBW2 | btw - the dig at top-left is a dig at Ubuntu, not Gnome :P |
| 22:39.07 | FoxBlitzz | I consider Gnome and Ubuntu to be the same general philosophy |
| 22:39.18 | FoxBlitzz | Stereotyping, I know, but eh |
| 22:39.45 | KenBW2 | keeping things simple? |
| 22:39.58 | FoxBlitzz | Not specifically |
| 22:40.00 | FoxBlitzz | More like removing choice |
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| 22:40.29 | KenBW2 | yea, i can nderstand that |
| 22:40.39 | FoxBlitzz | I mean, what |
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| 22:40.58 | FoxBlitzz | They could have solved the whole buttons fiasco by doing what KDE and Xfce already do, allowing the user to choose where the buttons go |
| 22:41.29 | KenBW2 | as much as i disagree with what they did, they do have the option in gconf (another thing i like about gnome) |
| 22:42.08 | FoxBlitzz | They don't even have to go the whole nine yards the way KDE/Xfce go. They could just have drop-downs or something to choose which side the buttons go on |
| 22:42.23 | FoxBlitzz | If they're really worried that the user will screw things up without knowing |
| 22:42.39 | KenBW2 | but they wanted to remove the tab that that option would have lived in |
| 22:43.38 | FoxBlitzz | (I mean, removing buttons from the titlebar such as Close and not knowing how to get them back.) |
| 22:44.25 | KenBW2 | i like that KDE is pretty feature-rich (kwin is pretty impressive) but its not as usable |
| 22:44.33 | KenBW2 | im still weighing up which i prefer |
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| 22:45.25 | FoxBlitzz | If I weren't so lazy, I would have probably submitted a hundred bugtracker tickets or whatever, covering blemishes and stability issues, esp. Plasma |
| 22:46.08 | KenBW2 | i havent found a problem with stability |
| 22:46.11 | KenBW2 | and this is kubuntu beta |
| 22:46.12 | FoxBlitzz | Why does Plasma still have that awful ZUI? They're getting rid of it now, but geez. It's been around for five releases without much polish at all. It practically looks and feels unfinished in its current state |
| 22:46.31 | FoxBlitzz | And it's prone to user error |
| 22:46.39 | Phoenixz | Using Dell D620 laptop VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) , with external monitor, I go to system settings, there I specify that I want 2 monitors internal below the external.. All is okay. Then I specify I want to see the external left of the internal (because its on the left of it... doh).. and X crashes! Same when I specify external to the right of the internal.. Is |
| 22:46.40 | Phoenixz | [17:46] <Phoenixz> this a known problem? |
| 22:46.57 | Phoenixz | on Kubuntu 10.04B2 by the way |
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| 22:49.25 | FoxBlitzz | KenBW2: KDE SC 4 is a lot more stable than it used to be, but it's still a bit rough around the edges |
| 22:49.52 | KenBW2 | the problems im finding are readability |
| 22:50.00 | KenBW2 | like the notifications |
| 22:50.31 | KenBW2 | not a fan of the presentation of the notifications at all |
| 22:50.54 | FoxBlitzz | I think the devs understand this. They're still working on the design for some portions of the desktop. Like, they're working on reorganizing System Settings based on usability feedback |
| 22:51.54 | FoxBlitzz | KenBW2: I think there a notification system similar to Ubuntu's called Colibri, if you're interested |
| 22:52.05 | KenBW2 | i dont understand why it needs to take up the bottom right 25% of my screen to tell me that Chris has signed on |
| 22:52.20 | KenBW2 | oh god, dont give me the ubuntu notificationds |
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| 22:53.53 | FoxBlitzz | So it's just the metrics? |
| 22:54.27 | FoxBlitzz | I'm not sure, but it might be dictated by the Plasma theme |
| 22:54.32 | KenBW2 | that, and that it has multiple notifications and headings all rolled into one confusing list |
| 22:55.13 | FoxBlitzz | Well |
| 22:55.21 | FoxBlitzz | I just found how to get rid of the "Recent Notifications" at the bottom |
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| 22:55.38 | FoxBlitzz | Right-click the (i), System Tray Settings |
| 22:55.41 | FoxBlitzz | Uncheck Notifications History |
| 22:56.20 | KenBW2 | which tab? |
| 22:56.29 | FoxBlitzz | Information |
| 22:56.39 | KenBW2 | i dont see that option |
| 22:56.50 | KenBW2 | suheading?> |
| 22:56.56 | FoxBlitzz | Pop Up Notices |
| 22:57.43 | KenBW2 | only got "Application notifications" and "File Transfers and other jobs" |
| 22:57.55 | KenBW2 | what KDE version? |
| 22:58.08 | FoxBlitzz | SC 4.4.2 |
| 22:58.36 | KenBW2 | same |
| 22:58.38 | KenBW2 | how strange |
| 22:58.50 | KenBW2 | maybe i need to do updates |
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| 23:00.22 | FoxBlitzz | Screenshot? |
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| 23:02.04 | KenBW2 | http://imgpaste.com/tmp/sreja.png |
| 23:02.46 | FoxBlitzz | Ah, I see, so your system's not widescreen |
| 23:03.03 | FoxBlitzz | I can see how that'd be a problem for the notifications |
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| 23:04.01 | cichlasoma | i'm sorry, i asked a while ago about restoring system tray in kde 3, but then I forgot about it, rebooted and don't know whether anybody answered... :-( |
| 23:04.32 | KenBW2 | FoxBlitzz: god bless my 17" CRT |
| 23:07.24 | FoxBlitzz | http://imgpaste.com/tmp/hslej.png |
| 23:07.50 | KenBW2 | *tried updatung* |
| 23:08.10 | FoxBlitzz | I wonder if it's some sort of patch? |
| 23:08.20 | KenBW2 | now i got a notification earlier telling me i had updates, ill ceck my notification history :P |
| 23:09.53 | FoxBlitzz | I'm wondering if it's somehow distro-related? |
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| 23:10.01 | KenBW2 | kubuntu 10.04 |
| 23:10.09 | FoxBlitzz | kdemod on Arch Linux |
| 23:10.38 | FoxBlitzz | They sometimes apply patches and the like, so I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case here |
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| 23:12.07 | KenBW2 | ah well |
| 23:12.20 | KenBW2 | both DEs are gonna have their problems |
| 23:12.24 | KenBW2 | its just a case of which has least |
| 23:12.53 | FoxBlitzz | Heh |
| 23:13.45 | FoxBlitzz | Can't say I'm 100% satisfied with the current situation of desktop Linux |
| 23:13.49 | FoxBlitzz | But I want to get off Windows, so eh |
| 23:14.01 | KenBW2 | i left windows behind in 2007 |
| 23:14.20 | FoxBlitzz | Biggest barrier for me right now is graphics drivers |
| 23:15.02 | FoxBlitzz | That shot was from my laptop, which is running on Intel graphics. Performance is kinda blah but it's stable and works... |
| 23:15.07 | KenBW2 | im on a fairly old nvidia so no problems there |
| 23:15.12 | FoxBlitzz | Desktop runs on a Radeon X1800 XT |
| 23:15.19 | KenBW2 | apart from proprietary drivers |
| 23:15.37 | FoxBlitzz | Which is no longer covered by the proprietary drivers |
| 23:15.51 | KenBW2 | "no longer"? |
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| 23:16.32 | FoxBlitzz | The current open source drivers give good desktop performance, but there are artifacts in numerous places, and 3D performance in games and the like is still only 50% of the Windows Catalyst drivers |
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