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| 00:00.53 | PovAddict | ok, turns out I simply had xinerama disabled :P |
| 00:01.33 | PovAddict | now it "works", but it doesn't let me use composition (KDE config says xdamage and xcomposite extensions are disabled) |
| 00:01.40 | PovAddict | so... reading about twinview |
| 00:01.55 | PovAddict | Sho_: what do I do with my existing Screen sections? |
| 00:02.11 | Sho_ | PovAddict: spray section-b-gone on them |
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| 00:04.57 | PovAddict | and Monitor? |
| 00:10.28 | Sho_ | PovAddict: here's mine for comparison: http://pastebin.com/fbYtVKJa |
| 00:10.49 | Sho_ | with the stupid whitespacing courtesy of Konsole's copy code |
| 00:12.11 | PovAddict | ugh I hate that whitespacing courtesy |
| 00:12.23 | PovAddict | I was going to say I only see it in yakuake |
| 00:12.29 | PovAddict | but then again, I almost never use konsole |
| 00:12.34 | Sho_ | same tech in konsole and yakuake |
| 00:12.43 | PovAddict | yeah |
| 00:12.47 | Sho_ | it copies giant amounts of trailing whitespace since a few versions ago |
| 00:12.50 | PovAddict | or lack there of :) |
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| 00:13.24 | PovAddict | so... I need MetaModes in both Device and Screen? |
| 00:13.57 | Sho_ | i think so |
| 00:14.56 | PovAddict | nvidia README only says I should have it in Device, and an example from gentoo wiki only has it in Screen :S |
| 00:15.42 | Sho_ | if in doubt, trust the readme I'd say |
| 00:15.59 | PovAddict | well, it doesn't say "only put it in Device" |
| 00:16.04 | PovAddict | it just never talks about a Screen section at all |
| 00:16.38 | PovAddict | notices that he doesn't actually have any clue what resolution this second screen supports |
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| 00:27.14 | PovAddict | it's working :) |
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| 00:27.39 | PovAddict | only issue is vsync |
| 00:28.44 | PovAddict | there's noticeable tearing |
| 00:33.53 | PovAddict | also, I wish the screen borders stopped the mouse cursor for a second |
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| 00:39.53 | PovAddict | hmm |
| 00:39.58 | PovAddict | I used xrandr to switch modes |
| 00:40.09 | PovAddict | (I set two modes, one with both screens and one with only one of them) |
| 00:40.14 | PovAddict | and plasma-desktop quit |
| 00:40.37 | PovAddict | can't reproduce |
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| 01:17.21 | arkascha | Hm, just back from a 4-month holiday... Which repository to update my KDE-4.3.5 to 4.4.2 ?!? |
| 01:18.00 | arkascha | sorry, using opensuse-11.2 on a macbook. |
| 01:18.10 | Sho_ | #opensuse-kde will know better :) |
| 01:18.23 | arkascha | seems not, unfortunately... |
| 01:18.33 | Sho_ | well, we don't really do distro-specific here ⦠|
| 01:18.42 | arkascha | ure, sorrys |
| 01:19.11 | Sho_ | arkascha: but a quick google says http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/KDE4#Factory_KDE_Project_.28KDE_4.4.29 |
| 01:20.31 | arkascha | Sho_: Factory cant be true, there must be a repository fork for 4.4. But thanks ! |
| 01:20.53 | Sho_ | arkascha: sorry, not an opensuse use myself |
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| 01:21.34 | arkascha | Sho_: oh, there still _are_ other distros ? :-) |
| 01:21.57 | arkascha | ducks and runs... |
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| 01:22.28 | Sho_ | arkascha: sure, there are those where upgrading KDE isn't a major pain since they're just regular updates rather than separate repositories ;) |
| 01:22.52 | arkascha | Sho_: ouch ! :-)) |
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| 01:28.06 | tomsdale | I want to compile this plugin and installed it with cmake without options but it doesn't show up: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Nightmode?content=123805 |
| 01:31.19 | tomsdale | I got it: cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` .. |
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| 04:20.47 | Rapax | Good Morning |
| 04:21.34 | Rapax | Anyone awake? |
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| 04:22.46 | Rapax | Anyone willing to answer a short question for a helpless beginner? |
| 04:22.52 | d13g8 | hi |
| 04:22.56 | d13g8 | i need help |
| 04:23.07 | Rapax | About the syntax in ServiceMenus |
| 04:23.18 | Rapax | my googling is drawing a blank |
| 04:23.46 | Rapax | d13g8: what with? |
| 04:24.37 | d13g8 | mmm how can i open documents in office 2007 in linux |
| 04:24.42 | d13g8 | fedora |
| 04:25.28 | phish3 | hey folks... any way to change the notification timeout on plasma? |
| 04:25.45 | phish3 | all the messages pop up and go away in a freaking instant |
| 04:25.53 | phish3 | literally < .5 seconds |
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| 04:26.17 | phish3 | completley useless, this is an aged install that's continously updated so recent defaults might not apply |
| 04:26.36 | phish3 | opensuse 11.2 with 4.4.2 |
| 04:27.10 | phish3 | nothing for timing related info under systemsettings->notifications |
| 04:28.13 | d13g8 | when i write yum install....this the console shows something about root what can i do |
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| 04:29.00 | Rapax | d13g8: you want to run M$ Office 2007 in Linux? Or just open some files created in Office 2007? |
| 04:30.28 | d13g8 | open some files rapax is possible_ |
| 04:30.58 | phish3 | specifally the notifications I want preserved and displayed on screen for longer than .5 seconds is kopete's |
| 04:31.15 | Rapax | Yes, should be possible. OpenOffice should be able to open any M$ office files |
| 04:31.49 | d13g8 | and how it works or how i can install it |
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| 04:33.48 | Rapax | Usually, it's among the default software that get's installed with most distros...chances are, it's already there. Check you Applications menu for something labelled 'Word Processor' |
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| 04:34.54 | Rapax | Probably in the 'Office' tab |
| 04:35.09 | d13g8 | yeah i see....but only works with office 2003 documents |
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| 04:36.15 | Rapax | that's weird |
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| 04:36.26 | Rapax | Office2007 formats should be supported |
| 04:36.51 | Rapax | are you maybe using an older version of OpenOffice? |
| 04:37.32 | factor | Is it the stable version of kpresenter that has DCOP or does the newer version of the presenter have dbus support now? |
| 04:37.42 | d13g8 | mmm i dont know are you talking about kword? |
| 04:38.15 | factor | last I checked they had neither DCOP or DUBS which really sucked and I cant get my remote control to work , works well in DCOP though |
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| 04:38.25 | factor | DBUS^ |
| 04:38.33 | Rapax | ah...I see |
| 04:38.45 | Rapax | KWord is a different Word Processor |
| 04:38.48 | Rapax | part of KOffice |
| 04:39.06 | Rapax | I don't know if they support 2007 formats |
| 04:39.13 | Rapax | I don't use it |
| 04:39.51 | d13g8 | and i need to download or install openoffice? |
| 04:40.18 | Rapax | just to figure out where you're at, try typing 'oowriter' without the quotes into a terminal |
| 04:41.50 | Rapax | do you get a message, or does it start OpenOffice writer? |
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| 04:42.48 | d13g8 | yeah mmm the command is wrong or something |
| 04:42.59 | d13g8 | no se encontro la orden |
| 04:43.22 | Rapax | ok |
| 04:43.25 | Rapax | that's good |
| 04:43.32 | Rapax | now I know that it's not installed |
| 04:43.55 | d13g8 | and how can i install it |
| 04:44.45 | Rapax | you still have that terminal open? |
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| 04:45.12 | d13g8 | yeah |
| 04:46.25 | Rapax | Ok, we'll use that. But first, disclaimer: You don't have to do all this stuff in the terminal. There's always a way to do it graphically, like in Windows. I'm just going the terminal route here, because it's easier to type a command in IRC than to describe each Window and where exactly to click. |
| 04:46.56 | Rapax | So, first, you need to be root (means roughly: administrator permissions) |
| 04:47.06 | Rapax | to do that, type 'su' |
| 04:47.09 | Rapax | without the quotes |
| 04:47.17 | Rapax | it'll ask for your password |
| 04:47.25 | d13g8 | yeah |
| 04:47.34 | Rapax | su means 'superuser', btw |
| 04:47.35 | d13g8 | im a root now |
| 04:47.38 | Rapax | good |
| 04:47.41 | factor | I dont even see kpresenater in my package list is it around anymore |
| 04:47.51 | Rapax | than type 'yum install openoffice' |
| 04:47.55 | factor | k presenter |
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| 04:48.48 | Rapax | is it doing something? |
| 04:48.48 | d13g8 | ok |
| 04:48.51 | d13g8 | mmm |
| 04:48.59 | d13g8 | i think |
| 04:49.00 | Rapax | should be downloading a shitload of packages |
| 04:49.08 | Rapax | OpenOffice is quite big |
| 04:49.12 | d13g8 | yeah |
| 04:49.21 | Rapax | ok, that should run through |
| 04:49.28 | Rapax | one thing not to forget |
| 04:49.40 | d13g8 | thanks buddy |
| 04:49.43 | dimbulb | Is "KDE SC" the new name for a standard KDE release? |
| 04:50.01 | Rapax | once it's finished...log out of the root user account again..either by typing 'exit' or just by closing the terminal window |
| 04:50.19 | Rapax | leaving open root terminal around is a good way to make nasty mistakes |
| 04:50.21 | d13g8 | ok why a need to do that? |
| 04:50.33 | d13g8 | haha thanks |
| 04:50.43 | Rapax | because the root account can do anything on your system, no limitations |
| 04:50.53 | Rapax | which also means no safety nets |
| 04:51.05 | Rapax | if you tell it to destroy vital files, it'll do it |
| 04:51.27 | Rapax | the normal user account is protected from that, by the limited permissions |
| 04:52.27 | d13g8 | you rock brow you help me so much |
| 04:52.36 | Rapax | hope it works |
| 04:52.56 | Rapax | I was looking for some help myself, actually |
| 04:53.57 | Rapax | Anyone handy with the KDE ServiceMenu syntax? |
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| 04:55.16 | Rapax | I'm passing the filename with %f to Imagemagick (convert), and I want to create a new file, instead of overwriting the old one |
| 04:55.48 | Rapax | example: I want to resize image.jpg and the output should be 800-image.jpg |
| 04:56.18 | Rapax | currently, I'm using 'Exec=convert "%f" -geometry x800 "%f"' in my servicemenu |
| 04:56.36 | Rapax | that "%f" towards the end is obviously the output filename |
| 04:56.48 | Rapax | I've tried "800-%f" |
| 04:56.53 | Rapax | but that doesn't work |
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| 04:57.01 | Rapax | neither does 800-"%f" |
| 04:57.19 | Rapax | or "800-"%f"" |
| 04:57.28 | Rapax | how do I do this correctly? |
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| 05:02.43 | d13g8 | rapax can you give me you mail for some help |
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| 05:04.39 | Skered | I think this is more of an X11 question but can you "detach" an X11 app? Like screen can be attached and detached/ |
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| 05:07.17 | QwertyM | Skered: not used it but check this utility called 'xmove' |
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| 05:11.34 | QwertyM | Rapax: one can write scripts to do such store and use stuff again I think? |
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| 05:12.59 | fmateo | hi |
| 05:13.02 | factor | what pice of the old koffice do I need for DCOP server to work |
| 05:13.11 | factor | or kde lib |
| 05:13.11 | fmateo | may you open your amarok and put this link ? |
| 05:13.13 | fmateo | for test |
| 05:13.13 | fmateo | http://desdemipcmusic.zapto.org/ |
| 05:13.40 | QwertyM | Skered: ah, also checkout 'xpra' if you want it remote |
| 05:15.20 | QwertyM | fmateo: works |
| 05:15.37 | Rapax | QwertyM: A script just to concatenate a filename? Sure, that would work. But it seems a bit overkill |
| 05:15.37 | fmateo | uff |
| 05:15.59 | Rapax | QwertyM: I'm pretty certain, it's just a matter of the right syntax |
| 05:16.06 | fmateo | with your amarok? |
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| 05:18.19 | factor | Anyone know what part of kde had the DCOP server? |
| 05:21.18 | QwertyM | factor: afaik kde3 had it, not in kde4 -- dbus replaced it |
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| 05:21.44 | factor | dbus sucks right now , installing old kde3 , but need to know what package it would be in |
| 05:21.51 | factor | at least for office apps |
| 05:22.07 | factor | I like dbus but its undersupported right now |
| 05:22.20 | factor | just kde base? |
| 05:23.22 | QwertyM | yeah I s'pose that should give it (maybe just libs), been years since I've used kde3 |
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| 05:23.42 | factor | I got the libs. |
| 05:23.49 | factor | How do I start the dcop server. |
| 05:23.59 | factor | I type dcop and I get cant attach to server. |
| 05:24.03 | factor | kicker ? |
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| 05:25.49 | QwertyM | Rapax: all image editing service menu s/w I've seen use an external sh script to do such stuff, but they give finer controls so could be for that reason. KIM (Image Menu) had things like this. |
| 05:26.31 | QwertyM | greps the existing services for such a use, but finds none doing a concat, just simple execs with %u. Sorry. |
| 05:27.46 | factor | kde-core had it |
| 05:28.03 | factor | I type dcopserver then dcop and it gives me what I need |
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| 05:29.32 | QwertyM | factor: :) |
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| 05:30.29 | factor | need to get my remote control working for presentations and open office does not have it nor does the new kpresenter |
| 05:30.46 | factor | works fine under 3.5.x |
| 05:31.14 | factor | as DCOP dbus is emtpy right now on usage.as desktop control except for the primary things |
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| 05:48.40 | Rapax | factor: do you have a touchscreen smartphone? |
| 05:48.46 | factor | no |
| 05:48.52 | Rapax | ok |
| 05:48.53 | factor | 20 buck one |
| 05:49.04 | Rapax | otherwise, I would have recommended gmote |
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| 05:49.16 | Rapax | I use that for presentations |
| 05:50.07 | Rapax | effectively make the touchscreen of your phone into a touchpad for your computer |
| 05:50.20 | Rapax | move the mousepointer, click |
| 05:50.23 | Rapax | etc. |
| 05:50.25 | factor | nifty, no I cant afford any of that. |
| 05:50.32 | Rapax | yeah |
| 05:50.44 | factor | need it to be powered , my cell dies too much as is |
| 05:50.51 | Rapax | right |
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| 05:54.47 | factor | LIRC is what I use and it just send command to dcop |
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| 05:55.17 | factor | how does gmote talk to the window manager? |
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| 05:56.29 | factor | but no dcop in the new kde and dbus really doe snot have much going for it yet. |
| 05:57.23 | factor | but i use the remote mainly for kaffeine and kpresenter |
| 05:58.54 | factor | for video tv music and meant for my presentations but get the extra perks when it works |
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| 05:59.24 | Rapax | you run a small gmote server on the machine, phone then connect through wireless or bluetooth |
| 05:59.42 | Rapax | ok, I have to go now |
| 05:59.43 | factor | yes but how does it talk to the window manager. |
| 05:59.45 | Rapax | cu later |
| 05:59.46 | factor | k |
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| 06:01.22 | factor | Also, the screen is only 640 480 so setup my remote to pertinent settings so I dont need to see anything , just press |
| 06:01.52 | factor | and startup the video or presentation. Works really well |
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| 07:25.01 | factor | Anyone know why my kaffine keeps dropping out , takes a few times to get any things started video wise |
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| 07:30.27 | cb400f | well.. with all that detailed info... |
| 07:30.47 | cb400f | what kaffeine version.. what type of video.. what distro.. do other players work better... |
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| 07:40.00 | feindbild | hi ^^ how can I set the alsa device string in phonon? |
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| 08:13.21 | QwertyM | my akonadi starts properly but the test reports that the mysql log contains an error (Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.servers' doesn't exist) -- how may I fix this? |
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| 08:15.25 | QwertyM | nvm, found a solution and fixed it with `mysql_install_db --datadir=$HOME/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/` Yay userbase :) |
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| 08:55.04 | SandGorgon | in KDE 4.4.2 on Kubuntu 10.04, I see that almost every app throws this error on the cmdline (http://paste.ubuntu.com/425112/). is there something wrong with my install ? |
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| 11:06.14 | Imhoteph | Dear all |
| 11:07.17 | Imhoteph | I would like to ask how to tell Kile to use my spellchecker aspell |
| 11:07.22 | Imhoteph | But: I use Gnome |
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| 11:20.27 | neure | hi |
| 11:20.33 | neure | where do i report bugs on plasma? |
| 11:21.03 | QwertyManiac | all KDE-related bugs go to bugs.kde.org |
| 11:21.33 | neure | i just installed kubuntu 10.04 and took me like 1 minute to segfault plasma |
| 11:21.53 | neure | all i did was to close the panel,, |
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| 11:23.36 | QwertyManiac | heh, if its a reproducible case do mention/add the steps in the report too :) |
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| 12:05.40 | freinhard | hi! just upgraded a machine from kde 4.3* to 4.4.2. is there a easy way to get the 4.3. look on 4.4? (colorsheme and plasma theme) |
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| 12:09.40 | shadeslayer | freinhard: the air circle overlay plasma theme? |
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| 12:12.18 | PigeonCluster | don't delete ... haha .. anyone ever would ... how sad ... xD |
| 12:13.06 | PigeonCluster | is there a compositing window manager for kde3? |
| 12:13.27 | tsimpson | compiz? |
| 12:13.31 | PigeonCluster | it's the only thing wrong with kde3. doesn't have a compositing manager afaik. |
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| 12:13.43 | PigeonCluster | tsimpson, when i use compiz it uses the gnome theme |
| 12:13.47 | PigeonCluster | oh noes gtg ride here |
| 12:14.01 | tsimpson | which is why compiz sucks |
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| 12:16.26 | eljefe | Can KDE 4.4.x have different wallpapers on each virtual desktop? |
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| 12:17.03 | shadeslayer | eljefe: yeah |
| 12:17.14 | alisonken1noc | I would say 'yes' since I have a dual-head video card and each monitor has a different wallpater |
| 12:17.18 | alisonken1noc | wallpaper |
| 12:17.18 | eljefe | thought so but I couldn't find it on the 4.4.0 release features page |
| 12:17.51 | eljefe | that isn't what I meant; I want a different wallpaper on each side of the desktop cube, for example |
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| 12:18.18 | eljefe | shadeslayer and alisonken1noc can it do that? different wall paper on each of the pager's desktops |
| 12:19.01 | alisonken1noc | apparently not on my machine atm |
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| 12:19.45 | tsimpson | the whole virtual-desktop think is really just a window-manager trick, hiding certain sets of windows for each |
| 12:19.50 | tsimpson | *thing |
| 12:20.02 | eljefe | wow still huh, ok |
| 12:20.39 | shadeslayer | eljefe: it can show diff. wallpapers on each desktop |
| 12:20.46 | shadeslayer | its in the plasma-settings |
| 12:21.30 | eljefe | ah ok thanks. i am waiting for Debian Sid to get the 4.4.x series, next week i think |
| 12:21.51 | shadeslayer | :) |
| 12:23.25 | eljefe | very excited, we've been on 4.3.x for like 8 months or something. its great, but 4.4.x upgrade is like christmas |
| 12:23.41 | shadeslayer | eljefe: a early christmas :P |
| 12:23.52 | shadeslayer | and this is precisely why i use kubuntu :D |
| 12:24.16 | eljefe | wow the implementation of kde is exactly why i *don't* use kbuntu |
| 12:24.42 | eljefe | that, the speed of getting to bug reports, the kernel issues, and a few others... are the reasons |
| 12:24.46 | shadeslayer | eljefe: its pretty good... works perfectly for me |
| 12:24.52 | eljefe | good to hear |
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| 12:25.42 | tsimpson | it's still a WM trick, the desktop activities thing is a real multiple-desktop implementation |
| 12:26.54 | shadeslayer | yeah :) |
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| 12:37.13 | Cremuss | Hi ! Is kaffeine 1.0_pre3 supposed to work with dvb-t ? I have an usb asus my cinema U3100 mini tuned on (works good, firmware loaded, led turned on) but kaffeine' "channel scan source :" is blank and I can't select anything. |
| 12:37.25 | Cremuss | It worked fine with kaffeine on kde 3.5 though |
| 12:39.12 | Cremuss | In console, kaffeine display that : "QStringList Solid::Backends::Hal::HalManager::findDeviceByDeviceInterface(const Solid::DeviceInterface::Type&) error: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected"" on my desktop pc (without hal) and says the same error with "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied" instead on my laptop (which has hal) |
| 12:39.16 | Cremuss | Any idea ? |
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| 12:57.09 | alisonken1noc | Cremuss, have you checked with your distro and see if there was an issue posted there? |
| 12:57.46 | Cremuss | yeah I googled but I couldn't find anything |
| 12:57.49 | Cremuss | I'm on gentoo |
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| 12:58.13 | pinotree | what do you get if you run `lshal`? |
| 12:58.42 | Cremuss | error: dbus_bus_get: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory |
| 12:59.06 | pinotree | dbus daemon not running? |
| 12:59.23 | Cremuss | hum no |
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| 13:03.49 | Cremuss | I checked on my laptop (which has hal and dbus running) and I got a lot of informations doing lshal |
| 13:04.06 | Cremuss | but kaffeine says QStringList Solid::Backends::Hal::HalManager::findDeviceByDeviceInterface(const Solid::DeviceInterface::Type&) error: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied |
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| 14:13.01 | amir_varasteh | how can i see my up and down speed ? any program or widget ? i use KDEmod |
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| 14:18.02 | markg85 | Hey, I want to start making plasmoids but i wonder.. How can i use QtCreator for that? Is it even possible to use QtCreator? |
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| 14:19.07 | annma | no |
| 14:19.21 | annma | just get a template and start from there |
| 14:19.35 | annma | from KAppTemplate |
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| 14:20.08 | markg85 | annma, huh.. what do you mean by templates..? and in which ide? |
| 14:20.20 | annma | not an ide |
| 14:20.27 | annma | why do you need an ide |
| 14:20.57 | markg85 | since that works A HELL lot better with code completion then looking everything up in the api documentation.. or even header files |
| 14:21.21 | annma | what sort of plasmoid do you want to develop |
| 14:21.44 | annma | I guess you can use qtcreator or kdevelop for code completion, ask in their channel |
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| 14:22.04 | annma | personally i like reading the API doc |
| 14:22.47 | markg85 | annma, lik this: http://lieshamza.deviantart.com/art/3Ddesktop-Linux-is-not-vista-82755947 circles for cpu usage, mem usage, hdd usage etcetera.. |
| 14:23.20 | annma | in C++? |
| 14:23.28 | markg85 | Yes |
| 14:23.59 | annma | it does not look very complicated |
| 14:24.35 | markg85 | annma, i don't think it is very complicated but i still rather use an IDE :) |
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| 14:26.01 | annma | do yo uhave some plasmoid development knowledge? |
| 14:26.11 | ||arifaX | Hi, where can I get kdcop it is referenced all over the net but cannot find it. I am on kubuntu latest |
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| 14:26.36 | markg85 | annma, none at all! |
| 14:26.43 | annma | arifax it's qdbus nowdays on kde4 |
| 14:27.03 | annma | markg85: I sugest you read some techbase tutorial maybe techbase.kde.org |
| 14:27.28 | annma | you can also look at system monitor code and see if you can use an existing data engine |
| 14:27.49 | markg85 | annma, i did and that's why i want to try it.. i only want to know if there is some way to do this in QtCreator :) |
| 14:28.12 | markg85 | annma, did that and i certainly can use that ^_^ |
| 14:28.14 | annma | I don't use QtCreator so ask in #qtcreator |
| 14:28.25 | ||arifaX | annma: ok but this is command line and has no browsing - damn |
| 14:28.26 | annma | you cannot design a plasmoid |
| 14:28.36 | markg85 | #qtcreator is not for plasma support |
| 14:28.42 | annma | arkub: there's qdbusviewer |
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| 14:29.28 | annma | well all I can say without knowing QtCreator is that you cannot design a plasmoid interface |
| 14:29.33 | ||arifaX | annma: will check it out |
| 14:29.37 | annma | like you would a .ui file |
| 14:29.52 | annma | so you can use an ide for code completion |
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| 14:30.00 | annma | but not for design |
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| 14:30.26 | annma | you need to draw the circles by hand basically |
| 14:30.37 | annma | with a few lines of code |
| 14:31.06 | markg85 | annma, erm.. learn what qt creator is.. it "contains" a designer but other then that it's just a full featured IDE... |
| 14:31.20 | freinhard | shoudln't one be able to drag tracks around in a amarok playlist? (2.3.0) |
| 14:31.28 | annma | markg85: do you read what I wrote??? |
| 14:31.34 | annma | what is a full featured IDE |
| 14:32.25 | annma | define what it does for KDE development |
| 14:32.51 | markg85 | annma, please stop for a second.. you start talking about .ui files... All i want to do is create plasmoids in qtcreator! i'm not even into designing plasmoids yet! |
| 14:33.09 | annma | I would use KDevelop then |
| 14:33.18 | annma | KDevelop at least has a plasmoid template |
| 14:33.26 | annma | which I coded by the way |
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| 14:33.36 | markg85 | annma, my "definition" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_development_environment |
| 14:34.27 | freinhard | annma: kdevelop4 is stable yet? |
| 14:34.35 | annma | I am told it is |
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| 14:35.02 | xrfang | is there any program in KDE to view overall hardware information? I am particularly interested in the video card model and driver I am using. thanks |
| 14:35.02 | annma | in fact it seems quite good judging by some people using it |
| 14:35.16 | annma | xrfang: KInfoCenter? |
| 14:35.25 | freinhard | well i never ever believe developers talking about "stable" software ;) |
| 14:35.56 | ||arifaX | annma: thanks qdbusviewer is fine! - thanks |
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| 14:36.03 | xrfang | annma: thanks |
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| 14:36.25 | markg85 | Developers can't call anything stable since they simply can't think of the stupid things "normal" users can do ;) (yea, i had that experience a few times) |
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| 14:36.57 | annma | I don't see "users" using KDevelop |
| 14:37.08 | annma | you need to be a developer |
| 14:37.47 | markg85 | annma, even then. |
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| 14:39.13 | freinhard | markg85: right, thats exactly my point ;) |
| 14:39.23 | annma | anyway KDevelop answers your definition of an IDE: it has an editor, an integrated debugger (gdb backend for C++) |
| 14:39.50 | annma | a compiler and build automation tools |
| 14:39.54 | guillom | coucoute annma |
| 14:39.55 | annma | and a plasmoid template |
| 14:40.04 | annma | ohh guillom :) |
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| 14:40.49 | annma | not sure about QtCreator cmake support |
| 14:43.31 | markg85 | annma, was that so hard :P Oh well.. experimenting with Qt's drawarc now. |
| 14:43.39 | freinhard | anyone else seeing expiriencing krunner to be laggy from time to time? |
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| 15:04.47 | kelnoky | can I change the terminal dolphin wants to use when pressing shift+f4? |
| 15:04.57 | kelnoky | (I'm not using kde, just dolphin) |
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| 15:08.46 | cb400f | prolly not |
| 15:09.43 | cb400f | kelnoky: try systemsettings -> default applications -> terminal emulator |
| 15:10.04 | cb400f | first thought you meant the embedded terminal |
| 15:10.28 | kelnoky | as I said, I'm not using kde, no big systemsettings button here :D |
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| 15:11.22 | cb400f | then start it from command line if you don't have a button ;-) |
| 15:11.44 | kelnoky | cb400f: what program would that be then? :D |
| 15:12.15 | cb400f | 'systemsettings' |
| 15:12.43 | kelnoky | seems I need to have kde installed for that |
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| 15:13.00 | cb400f | I'd think most distros had it in the base packages |
| 15:13.10 | kelnoky | not arch ;) |
| 15:14.32 | neverendingo | kelnoky: afaik kdebase-workspace |
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| 15:15.39 | cb400f | can you run 'kcmshell4 componentchooser' ? |
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| 15:15.51 | kelnoky | cb400f: yeah! |
| 15:16.07 | kelnoky | that looks like what I need |
| 15:16.27 | cb400f | same thing.. just without the fancy systemsettings wrapper :-) |
| 15:17.41 | kelnoky | now dolphin opens urxvt, thanks a bunch! :) |
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| 20:24.30 | *** topic/#kde is KDE SC 4.4.2 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://pastebin.ca | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 |
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| 20:29.36 | bendj | GNU\colossus: Given your comment abt NFS, I found this (http://www.howtoforge.com/nfs_ssh_tunneling) -- describing how to tunnel NFS mounts over ssh. That'd deal with net security, tho still require an NFS server. Would Dolphin mounts of remote dirs over these tunneled NFS-over-SSH connections be 'aware enough' of the topology to still work? |
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| 20:33.28 | GNU\colossus | bendj: I don't think so. also, I'm using NFS4. I don't know how you can encrypt the data payload (but I'm quite certain it can be done), and autz/authn can be handed over to krb5 with NFSv4. so there may not be a need for SSH in the equation. |
| 20:34.01 | GNU\colossus | bendj: it's also perfectly OK to use NFS(v4) over the Internet; it was designed with that usage scenario in mind. |
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| 20:35.24 | bendj | GNU\colossus: I do use NFSv4 lan-side, so general familiarity/deployment is not "new". Did not know about integrated payload encryption -- clearly, worth exploring. |
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| 20:36.01 | bendj | GNU\colossus: Completely OTHER option is to isntall on the remote server (a headless box) the absolute minimum KDE to allow remote running of Dolphin ... |
| 20:37.12 | bendj | so that Dolphin really IS running on the remote box. or NX, i suppose ... which include Auth via ssh pubkey auth (and payload?) |
| 20:37.30 | bendj | but I'm thinking NFS iis the better option .... |
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| 20:39.00 | GNU\colossus | bendj: since NFSv4 multiplexes all the protocol and payload data on a single tcp port, you should be able to achive encryption using stunnel or ssh. |
| 20:39.47 | jaggz- | hey let's make it so when you drag a window to the edge of the screen it automatically sizes full height but only partial width -- but not 50/50 like windows 7 does -- instead it should fill a proportional amount to the height at which your mouse cursor is on the edge |
| 20:40.05 | jaggz- | and then the other side, if you go to the top or bottom corner it'll automatically size it to fill in the rest of the space |
| 20:40.10 | bendj | GNU\colossus: sure, that's clear. question is -- do I need stunnel/ssh at all? or does NFSv4 provide the "full encryption package" -- payload & wire -- natively. Digging a bit now ... |
| 20:40.18 | jaggz- | how would I go about modifying KDE to handle this behavior? |
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| 20:41.07 | GNU\colossus | bendj: I think it does, or is supposed to do in the near future |
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| 20:41.27 | GNU\colossus | thing is, I'm far too tired to dig myself right now - I'll be going to bed in a few seconds ;) |
| 20:42.09 | bendj | GNU\colossus: Thanks for the ideas. Honestly "this" should be easier -- given the common task of remote server mgmt -- but still seems to be a challenge. |
| 20:42.14 | bendj | Anyway, NightyNite! |
| 20:43.18 | GNU\colossus | thanks dude, gn8 :) |
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| 21:04.03 | g0th | hi |
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| 21:28.06 | szymon_g | hi |
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| 21:41.02 | faissal | hi there, anyone knows how i can get rid of the topright widget on kde4 please ? |
| 21:41.31 | faissal | called the toolbox |
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| 21:42.00 | Adityab | faissal: Also known as the cashew :) |
| 21:42.09 | faissal | lol |
| 21:42.17 | faissal | well i need to get rid of that cashew |
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| 21:42.34 | Adityab | faissal: There's a plasmoid in kde-look.org that claims to "hide" it - search for cashew |
| 21:42.44 | faissal | alright |
| 21:42.45 | Adityab | faissal: But I don't know if it works anymore |
| 21:42.58 | faissal | cheers mate, ill have a look at it |
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| 21:55.38 | faissal | damn cashew |
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| 21:57.53 | szymon_g | hm... http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/secure/attachment/14031/snapshot4j.png could anyone explain me, why those letters look differently (i.e. the latin row /Aa Oo etc/ and one with Polish diactrics)? font supports those diactrics without problem :/ (font terminus, bug exists only on system with en_US.UTF-8 locale) |
| 21:58.26 | olaf123 | where I can configure konqueror as the default webbrowser? Links (on my desktop) to websites always open in firefox |
| 21:59.19 | szymon_g | olaf123: settings, default applications |
| 21:59.43 | szymon_g | Personal Settings (Configure Destkop) |
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| 22:03.34 | olaf123 | szymon_g: thanx |
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| 22:03.57 | szymon_g | your welcome |
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| 22:08.29 | olaf123 | where is this config saved, in which config-file? |
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| 22:12.45 | benkevan | how can I change the default folder icon for dolphin? I think I changed it.. |
| 22:15.31 | olaf123 | found it |
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| 22:23.11 | blendmaster1024 | what was the configuration program called pre-3.5? |
| 22:23.32 | blendmaster1024 | 3.4 and such didn't have this new topic-based config manager, it was the old tree one |
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| 22:25.06 | blendmaster1024 | i am in kde3.5 atm (on purpose) and i want that config manager back, as the new one seems to be missing modules ... a lot of modules ... |
| 22:25.37 | Torch | blendmaster1024: what config manager? |
| 22:25.49 | blendmaster1024 | system settings |
| 22:25.52 | blendmaster1024 | config center |
| 22:25.55 | blendmaster1024 | whatever it was called |
| 22:26.14 | blendmaster1024 | but nevermind, it seems that they're there, just in weird places |
| 22:26.15 | Torch | blendmaster1024: i guess you mean kcontrol. |
| 22:26.21 | blendmaster1024 | Torch, yes! thank you :) |
| 22:26.25 | Torch | blendmaster1024: kde4 is different. |
| 22:26.34 | blendmaster1024 | Torch, i know. i'm *not using* kde4 |
| 22:28.24 | Torch | blendmaster1024: so you're complaining kde4 is missing something but you're using kde3 anyway? |
| 22:28.44 | blendmaster1024 | no ... i'm complaining that kde3.5 is missing something that kde3.4 had |
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| 22:28.58 | blendmaster1024 | i hate kde4 >:( |
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| 22:31.34 | Torch | blendmaster1024: well, kde3 is unmaintained for years. complaining about it is a waste of time. |
| 22:31.51 | blendmaster1024 | Torch, you're completely not getting what i'm saying |
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| 22:32.12 | blendmaster1024 | i'm just asking what the application name was of the control center from kde3.4 and before |
| 22:32.25 | blendmaster1024 | i'm not asking for any other help with kde3! |
| 22:32.28 | Torch | blendmaster1024: you're on kubuntu? |
| 22:32.37 | blendmaster1024 | yes, a special kde3 version |
| 22:32.42 | Torch | blendmaster1024: complain to them |
| 22:32.52 | Torch | blendmaster1024: in kde3.5 it was kcontrol. kubuntu changed that. |
| 22:33.03 | blendmaster1024 | ahh |
| 22:33.05 | Torch | blendmaster1024: and spare us here with this nonsense, really. |
| 22:33.17 | blendmaster1024 | which nonsense, the kubuntu or the kde3? |
| 22:33.22 | Torch | blendmaster1024: both |
| 22:33.42 | blendmaster1024 | i don't argue that kubuntu is nonsense, but i could that kde3 is |
| 22:33.54 | blendmaster1024 | kde4 broke everything that made kde good |
| 22:34.24 | pinotree | aya for generic statements |
| 22:34.27 | pinotree | *yay |
| 22:35.51 | blendmaster1024 | pinotree, everything. configurability, speed, lack of crash |
| 22:36.02 | pinotree | still generic |
| 22:36.53 | blendmaster1024 | user interface, especially the ruined menu (the "old menu" option is screwed up too, not as bad but still) |
| 22:37.17 | pinotree | "ruined menu"? |
| 22:37.20 | blendmaster1024 | and it scrapped konqueror for dolphin |
| 22:37.30 | blendmaster1024 | pinotree, the menu is completely black on my system |
| 22:37.40 | blendmaster1024 | and runs really slow on others i try it on |
| 22:37.53 | alienBOB | blendmaster1024: that was an OLD bug in early KDE 4.x versions |
| 22:37.53 | pinotree | disabled compositing already? |
| 22:38.00 | blendmaster1024 | pinotree, yes |
| 22:38.00 | Torch | blendmaster1024: you're wasting everyone's time. |
| 22:38.03 | Torch | blendmaster1024: including yours |
| 22:38.12 | Torch | blendmaster1024: we've been through this a million times. |
| 22:38.15 | pinotree | blendmaster1024: also, you can set konqueror as default file manager, just like before |
| 22:38.16 | blendmaster1024 | Torch, yes, i am. pinotree: later |
| 22:38.34 | blendmaster1024 | pinotree, but it still uses dolphin's system as a backend. |
| 22:38.42 | pinotree | and? |
| 22:38.52 | blendmaster1024 | it's slow, just like everything else |
| 22:39.11 | pinotree | it isn't slow |
| 22:39.30 | blendmaster1024 | takes up 15% of my 3GHz processor |
| 22:39.32 | blendmaster1024 | that's slow |
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| 22:39.46 | blendmaster1024 | when i need all my cpu for something else? that's slow |
| 22:40.04 | pinotree | takes cpu when doing what? |
| 22:40.11 | blendmaster1024 | sitting there |
| 22:40.16 | blendmaster1024 | or using it |
| 22:40.29 | pinotree | and your kde version is...? |
| 22:40.33 | blendmaster1024 | but as soon as i close konq, it drops to 5% usage |
| 22:40.39 | blendmaster1024 | pinotree, 4.4 iirc |
| 22:40.46 | blendmaster1024 | or 4.3? |
| 22:40.55 | blendmaster1024 | not sure, i avoided 4 after the test run |
| 22:41.06 | pinotree | don't ask me, i'm not your pc admin :) |
| 22:41.17 | blendmaster1024 | i know, i am, which is why i'm using kde3 xD |
| 22:41.50 | blendmaster1024 | so, now that we're done wasting time proving that kde4 is a downgrade, i'm going back to work |
| 22:42.03 | pinotree | not really |
| 22:42.28 | pinotree | it's quite hard to pinpoint issues when all you can say is "it's slow" etc |
| 22:42.45 | blendmaster1024 | pinotree, i don't *know* what the issue is, other than that it IS slow. |
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| 22:43.08 | blendmaster1024 | but it's slower on every machine i try it on, so it's more or less a valid convern |
| 22:43.10 | pinotree | you're not doing any job futher than that though |
| 22:43.11 | blendmaster1024 | concern* |
| 22:44.02 | blendmaster1024 | look, if you want me to stay here and spend all day proving that kde4 uses more resources to do less, i can. otherwise, i'm going back to work. |
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| 22:44.19 | pinotree | i was trying to *help* you, if you still haven't got it |
| 22:44.50 | blendmaster1024 | it doesn't look like you're trying to help me, looks like you're trying to convince me kde4 is good |
| 22:44.54 | pinotree | for me, kde4 is as useful as kde3, and i can do my jobs (work, study, personal stuff) as better as before |
| 22:45.01 | madigens | blendmaster1024: well, if you can provide a *detailed* analysis, go ahead. finding out what exactly is wrong is the first step towards fixing problems |
| 22:45.31 | blendmaster1024 | madigens, i don't want to waste time fixing kde4 when kde3 is enough anyway. if kde4 hadn't been slower, then i'd have loved it. |
| 22:46.01 | madigens | whatever works for you *pats his kde4 |
| 22:46.03 | pinotree | blendmaster1024: i did ask you detailed questions, but if the replies i get are "it's slow", i don't have a crystal ball to magically figure out what is the issue for you |
| 22:46.29 | blendmaster1024 | pinotree, like i said i don't know and i don't care enough to find out [yet] |
| 22:46.42 | blendmaster1024 | and when i do care, i'll probably be able to fix it on my own |
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| 22:47.17 | madigens | by the way, what's the 3ghz cpu you mentioned? |
| 22:47.22 | blendmaster1024 | all i asked was why the configuration manager was screwed up. answer to that was that kubuntu is retarded, just like the rest of ubuntu. |
| 22:47.28 | blendmaster1024 | madigens, p4 ht |
| 22:47.38 | madigens | oh. |
| 22:47.58 | madigens | have you tried kde4 on a more current machine? |
| 22:48.04 | pinotree | (note that kde on ubuntu has always been a bad choice, kde3 or kde4, and this is something users say) |
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| 22:49.22 | blendmaster1024 | madigens, yes |
| 22:49.27 | pinotree | another guess in the wild: in kde4, did you try to disable the desktop search and file indexing? |
| 22:49.38 | blendmaster1024 | takes up about the same absolute cpu |
| 22:49.56 | blendmaster1024 | pinotree, i think so ... but actually i don't know |
| 22:50.07 | blendmaster1024 | good point, i had to do that in gnome to speed it up |
| 22:51.12 | pinotree | other than disablign desktop effects, desktop search and file indexing, i have no idea of what generic configuration could make your kde4 "slow" |
| 22:51.54 | pinotree | another guess would be making sure to have up2date graphics drivers |
| 22:52.06 | blendmaster1024 | got that :) |
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| 22:52.51 | pinotree | note again: as you can see, i'm not trying to "convince" or force you to use kde4 |
| 22:52.56 | blendmaster1024 | ok :) |
| 22:53.25 | pinotree | but i am kind of sad when people have issues and get kind of pissed when actually doing nothing to be helped a bit... |
| 22:53.35 | benkevan | blendmaster1024: Without using it, and giving your opinion via bugs.kde.org in a polite and positive manner it won't get to where you think it "should" be.. |
| 22:53.42 | benkevan | I was much like yourself.. until I got onto 4..3 |
| 22:53.45 | benkevan | now I love 4.4 :) |
| 22:54.03 | blendmaster1024 | benkevan, hmmm, interesting |
| 22:54.26 | blendmaster1024 | i'll investigate, if it brings back the legendary speed of kde3.2 i'll switch |
| 22:54.31 | benkevan | I actually like Amarok again too (2.0 Amarok was :( ) |
| 22:54.50 | blendmaster1024 | kde3.2 was instant way back on my 400mhz proc |
| 22:54.55 | blendmaster1024 | never had to wait |
| 22:55.19 | benkevan | bench marks? |
| 22:55.30 | blendmaster1024 | eh? |
| 22:55.36 | blendmaster1024 | benchmarks of what? |
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| 22:57.07 | benkevan | of when you felt it was instant. |
| 22:57.26 | benkevan | I've never had "instantanious" on any DE :( .. even LXDE or TWM for that matter haha |
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| 22:57.55 | blendmaster1024 | benkevan, oh |
| 22:58.02 | blendmaster1024 | yeah i went back and checked yesterday |
| 22:58.22 | blendmaster1024 | it would change the display on the same screen refresh it detected the input |
| 22:58.36 | blendmaster1024 | which seems instant to us lowly humans |
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| 22:59.54 | blendmaster1024 | that with all animations off that is |
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| 23:02.42 | blendmaster1024 | RoozbehOnline, what about RoozbehOffline? |
| 23:03.25 | pinotree | i guess you wouldn't see that combination... |
| 23:04.20 | blendmaster1024 | pinotree, what? |
| 23:04.49 | pinotree | if he would be "Offline", then he would be disconnected and not in irc channels ;) |
| 23:05.11 | blendmaster1024 | i know. i was making a joke. |
| 23:05.18 | pinotree | too |
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| 23:21.24 | blendmaster1024 | if i delete ~/.kde* then i lose ALL kde-related config. but it will generate a new config as though it was just installed next logic, correct? |
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| 23:21.32 | blendmaster1024 | assuming kde was not running during delete |
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| 23:26.26 | Torch | blendmaster1024: yes. |
| 23:26.36 | blendmaster1024 | Torch, cool. was just curious. |
| 23:29.19 | amgarchIn9 | hi, how do I fix bold fonts in konsole in Kubuntu 10.04 KDE 4.4? Looks ugly, doesnt fit into fixed width. |
| 23:29.56 | Torch | amgarchIn9: ask on #kubuntu |
| 23:30.03 | Torch | amgarchIn9: kde 4.4 does not have an issue with this |
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| 23:36.26 | amgarchIn9 | it does here: http://imagebin.ca/view/3CBaWXEQ.html |
| 23:38.47 | Torch | amgarchIn9: doesn't look to bad. your vim syntax highlighting might not help |
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| 23:48.24 | amundsen | hi |
| 23:48.40 | amundsen | i have a question |
| 23:49.05 | Torch | amundsen: ask. |
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| 23:49.22 | amundsen | how can it be, that k3b is in alpha stage in kde sc 442 ? |
| 23:49.30 | amundsen | does it work ? |
| 23:49.40 | Torch | amundsen: yes. |
| 23:50.06 | amundsen | any important bug ? |
| 23:50.17 | Torch | amundsen: i use it from time to time. no data loss yet. |
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| 23:51.12 | amundsen | Torch, thx |
| 23:51.15 | amundsen | ;) |
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