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00:25.37zekeanyone ever noticed that when using arorue(sp?) on maximised windows, the title bar goes insanely smal and doesn't stay the original size?
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00:29.03johnny69Hello you sexy Kde critters...  Is there a Kde app that servers as a quick  (I mean quick!) image viewer?  Say,  something alone the lines of what you see with Irfrinview - via windows?  (Kde 4.x/suse 11.2)  Thank you.
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00:56.26fynnHi. In console, when I launch GNU screen, the number and name of the window gets published in the title bar.
00:56.41fynnAlso, messages from screen get posted in the Konsole titlebar as well.
00:56.46fynns/console/Konsole/
00:56.52fynnhow does that work?
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01:15.27rogersmanhey all, anyone successfully running compiz 0.8.6 ?
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01:38.38coldhoston kde 4.4 sc can anyone tell me how to do when i click dashboard and after that click something on desktop - the dashboard can close itself
01:38.44coldhostis there any work around?
01:40.49coldhostanyone?
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04:29.57rrixtroy_: I would assume that it was at a different ryan's :P
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07:45.21sredna2hi
07:45.51sredna2how can i create a solid action, so when i plug in a certain device, some action is offered?
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08:03.43pensacolaanyone knows a good app to maintain an ipod music collection with kubuntu 10.04?
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08:08.15Torchsredna2: system settings -> advanced -> device actions
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08:08.38Torchpensacola: nothing beats amarok.
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08:12.41telitiHello. Does anyone knows how to modify the underline in okular to underline a pdf document?
08:12.56teliti(it is to huge)
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08:15.21pensacolaI can't figure out how to add or delete songs from my ipod with amarok (version  2.3.0)
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08:16.09Torchpensacola: your ipod ist just another collectin. you can right click on songs and pick "copy to collection" and then select the ipod.
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08:16.21Torchpensacola: there's also #amarok, i believe
08:16.29pensacolayep, I'm already asking there
08:16.32pensacolathx for the advice
08:16.38pensacolayou guys rock ;)
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08:29.17buscherhello, my kontact doesn't start anymore, but kmail and korganizer work fine alone, with kde-4.4.2
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08:36.39sredna2Torch: thanks :)
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08:48.14srednaTorch: that module does not allow me to match my device though
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08:49.01srednabuscher: try starting from a konsole to see the output
08:50.17terran4000howdy, does anyone know when the power management drop down menu issue will be solved? By issue I mean the menu is only 2-3 lines tall, and never shows other options. So it's impossible to tell what other options there are
08:50.33buschersredna: nothing useful there, but I found http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting, will try that but have to reboot now, bbl
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09:05.17pensacolaTorch: you have any idea if amarok can also manage playlists on an ipod?
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09:09.15Torchpensacola: no idea, i don't use playlists
09:09.25pensacolaok, thx
09:11.34Torchsredna: what device is that?
09:12.56srednaTorch: a usb->serial gps (garmin fortrex with a pl2303 usb->serial converter)
09:14.06srednaTorch: solid knows little about it, there are two entries, and it seems the best thing i can do is look for the string '67b' in the solid 'udi' string
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09:15.24buscherOk I removed all akonadi start errors but my kontact still doesn't start, http://pastebin.com/08fRtvQ3
09:15.33buscherkmail itself still starts+works fine
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09:15.51srednakmail does not use akonadi yet
09:15.54Torchsredna: yes, i have an edge, i know what you mean
09:16.00buscherkorganizer works too
09:16.06Torchsredna: these devices can only be identified with their USB id
09:16.09Torchsredna: that will work, though
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09:16.17srednaTorch: do you have an example of that?
09:16.36Torchsredna: sorry, no. i'd have to work that out myself, but i'm a little busy right now.
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09:17.02srednai would love to have solid offering various actions, like starting gpsd, gebabbel, opencpn etc
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09:19.12srednabuscher: try 'akonadictl restart'. I have also had success moving ~/.local/akonadi out of the way when i had trouble with akonadi completely refused to.
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09:20.52buscherlast message after restarting akonadi and starting kontact -> [akonadiserver] QStringList Akonadi::NepomukSearch::search(const QString&) Calling blockingQuery() failed!
09:22.07buschersredna: you mean .config/akonadi/ ?
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09:25.12Isil`Zhahello. since recently qt-based applications tend to freeze for me. most recently kdesu (the screen that asks for the root password). what could be amiss? i tried to delete *rc files but it doesn't seem to help. reinstalling the respective applications didn't help either (i even reinstalled everything they depended on)
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09:25.59buschersredna: moving .config/akonadi doesn't help
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09:34.03SandGorgonwill kde 4.5 have tiling ?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faOQAgapQYQ
09:34.56cb400fSandGorgon: http://kodeclutz.blogspot.com/2010/04/kwin-tiling-is-merged.html
09:36.30SandGorgoncb400f, awesome ..
09:36.51cb400fnah, kwin! :-)
09:37.14cb400f(pun intended)
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09:38.45srednabuscher: .local/share/akonadi, sorry :)
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09:41.28buschersredna: but wouldn't this cause data los?
09:42.11buschersredna: but still doesn't start
09:42.17buscherkontact I mean
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09:45.00sredna2buscher: yes, if you delete that, you may loose some data. However, akonadi is not supposed to keep data on its own, only temporarily. However, the yet unusable contact groups are kept in the akonadi database
09:45.44sredna2and you need to restart akonadi - probably stopping, then moving the data, then starting
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09:48.24buschersredna2: I tried, but it doesn't work, akonadi starts fine, just kontact won't
09:49.43sredna2buscher: what about kaddressbook?
09:50.15buscherstarts fine alone
09:50.33sredna2so what does kontact say if you start it from a konsole window?
09:51.39buscherhttp://pastebin.com/8r70T9Mp
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09:55.13sredna2buscher: that does not look fatal?
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09:56.57buscherhm?
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09:57.47tweetyhi all.
09:58.14tweetykann mir einer mal was in KDE 4 erklären / nachvollziehen?
09:59.03tweetyich war gerade in gimp, und wollte etwas zoomen (strg+mausrad) statt im gimp-fenster ist mein mauszeiger allerdings auf den desktop gerutscht. das resultat sind ganz seltsame einzelfenster als hintergrundbild!!!
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09:59.36tweetywas soll das???
10:00.04pinotreeenglish please
10:00.08tweetyoh.. sorry.
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10:00.57tweetyis just found out a strange action at kde 4. usinge ctrl + mouse wheel at the desktop leads to a weird desktop look.
10:01.19tweetyseveral backgrounds on a grey-white background. what is that for?
10:02.34Isil`Zhai'm thinking my above issue (kdesu's password screen freezes) could be caused by not actually using kde (i'm only using kde-based programs like kontact, kopete, etc). is there something that should be started but didn't get started? on the other hand this was actually working for me in the past
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10:04.14Isil`Zhatweety: that's supposed to give you an overview. if you click on one of the tiles it will bringt it to the foreground
10:04.44tweetynope.. it doesnt..
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10:04.58tweetyi am using ctrl + mouse wheel down
10:05.09tweetykde 4.4.2
10:05.42Isil`Zhatweety: i'm not actually using kde. therefore i can't reproduce it right now. i just believe to remember that from last using it
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10:06.03tweetyit really looks like a bug ;)
10:06.26tweetyallthough well sorted
10:07.05Isil`Zhawhat does then happen if you select one of these windows you get lined up? nothing?
10:07.23tweetyi cannot select anything of that
10:07.37Isil`Zhayou can't click on it?
10:08.22Isil`Zhaich meine auswählen im sinn von anklicken. sorry ;)
10:08.32tweetyja, schon klar.. geht aber nicht!
10:08.44tweetykann ich irgendwo ein bild ablegen?
10:09.08tweetyalso dir schicken?
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10:11.42Isil`Zhagood question. i would advise english if you want to hear other people's advise though
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10:17.24Isil`Zhagood question. i would advise enghttp://sau.frubar.net/lish if you want to hear other people's advise though
10:17.28Isil`Zhaops sorry
10:17.41Isil`Zhatweety: http://sau.frubar.net/
10:17.48Isil`Zhathat's what i meant to write
10:18.15zhicktweety: that's the activity overview
10:18.32tweetyzhick, i dont thinks so..
10:18.44zhicktweety: when you mouseover an activity there'll appear a magnifier-glass
10:18.48tweetytoo weird!
10:18.54tweetyyes
10:19.37zhicktweety: pressing it will select the activity
10:19.54tweetywell, not really.. there are always 3 symbols displayed below those windows
10:20.04zhicktweety: from this view you can also create new activities and switch between them
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10:21.22tweetywww.birdyshome.de/kde4-strange-windows.png
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10:23.44QwertyMtweety: click the zoom icon on it to enter that 'activity'
10:24.34QwertyMtweety: or else ctrl + mouse in on that :)
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10:25.43tweetyi dont understand the real purpose of those "activities"
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10:28.12tweetynow i am not coming back into the normal screen...
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10:28.40QwertyMtweety: they're much like virtual desktops but are called an 'activity' in the sense each one of them is to be used for different activities like say work, play, etc. Virtual desktops share widgets among them, activities can have different widgets in each.
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10:29.36vondererhi everyone. Can I run KDE without plasma?
10:29.36QwertyMtweety: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma#Activities_and_the_Zooming_User_Interface_.28ZUI.29
10:30.04QwertyMvonderer: yes, can run
10:30.27tweetyhmpf.. zooming in just scrolls the activities up and down, but does not restore my desktop :(
10:30.29vondererQwertyM, how? I just want KDE services running+openbox+tint2
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10:32.36QwertyMvonderer: I don't know what openbox/tint2 are but you can disable plasma-desktop from loading via the autostart [for me the .desktop for its startup lies in ~/.config/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop - -set that to not start and it probably won't]
10:32.56vondererthanks
10:32.58SandGorgoncan we assign widgets to a particular desktop - i.e. I should only see some  widgets if i'm on desktop 2, another set on desktop 3 and so on (I have already taken a look at workspaces )
10:33.18tweetyi think i dont like that activity screen... that really sucks...
10:34.00QwertyMSandGorgon: use activities for that purpose :)
10:34.22QwertyMSandGorgon: but, I think the panel will remain constant -- I don't know of a fix for that
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10:35.36tweetyok. got to leave..
10:35.41tweetythanks for the help!
10:35.43tweetybyebye
10:35.46SandGorgonQwertyM, hmm.. I think the whole concept of activities is unnecessary - you might as well have a desktop with specific widgets
10:35.47QwertyMtweety: you're on 4.4.2 right? Enter any activity (even if not what you were on) -> Right click desktop -> Desktop Activity Settings -> Mouse Actions -> Set a mouse shortcut for switching activities. Apply and use this shortcut to switch until you get yours
10:36.20tweetyhm.. strange.. got to read the doc a little more i think ;)
10:36.22QwertyMSandGorgon: in that case ask plasma to let each of your virtual desktops be an activity [sigh, this difference must go!]
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10:36.56QwertyMSandGorgon: but afaik no way to 'assign' a widget for each virtual desktop
10:37.03SandGorgonQwertyM, I hear your sigh! but really.. can I assign an activity to each desktop ?
10:37.21QwertyMyes, have seen that config somewhere, lemme find it
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10:38.36QwertyMdamn taskbar is screwed up :p
10:39.43QwertyMSandGorgon: I can access the option via the Pager widget's settings
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10:40.23QwertyMSandGorgon: Pager RClick -> Virtual Desktop Settings -> Check different activities for each desktop. Have heard it could be buggy at times though, be wary ;)
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10:43.39SandGorgonQwertyM, in 4.4.2 it is in System Settings -> Desktop -> Multiple Desktops -> Different activity for each desktop
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10:44.47QwertyMah yeah :p
10:45.09QwertyMthe pager leads to that as well methinks
10:46.29SandGorgonQwertyM, oh yeah.. I dont have the pager on my panel ! am depending more and more on Lancelot's runner (alt+f5)
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12:57.03HarishShi.. i have some common Q_PROPERTY among different custom widgets .. how i can take them out and put them in a common class.. it seems qt don't support inheriting from two QObject
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12:58.33annma#qt HarishS
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12:59.19HarishSok
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12:59.48vondererhi again. is there any way to prevent plasma-desktop from loading?
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13:00.09QwertyMvonderer: the earlier trick didn't work?
13:00.13vonderernope
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13:00.26vondererthere’s no such *desktop file in my autorun directory
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13:00.50QwertyMvonderer: what KDE are you using? see in other paths (kde4-config --path autostart)
13:01.46annmavonderer: ask in your distro channel how they load it
13:01.55annmawhat do you want as desktop then?
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13:02.06vondererQwertyM, thanks, found it
13:02.28annmawhat do you replace it with?
13:02.29vondererannma, feh for wallpaper+tint2 for panel+openbox for windows
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13:03.13annmaand it's better to start KDE nevertheless?
13:03.13vondererall I want from KDE is integration, default filetypes and automount
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13:03.32vondererno, I see it as the only way to enable such integration
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13:04.12vondererif there’s any way to start kde services without starting kde session, it would be great to use openbox-session instead
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13:05.42vondererso, is there a way to start kde services without using kde session?
13:06.18annmawhat kde services? I suppose you can start them, yes
13:06.28vondererfile assiciations and default apps
13:06.42annmathose are not services
13:06.46vondererand automounting
13:07.02annmagive KDE names for all this
13:07.20vondererhell, if I knew them I wouldn’t be asking here :))
13:07.33annmaI ran KDE4 apps on a KDE3 desktop for ex, people run KDE apps on a gnome desktop
13:07.48annmaso I don't know what's the real problem for you
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13:08.52vonderermmm. ok, let me try something and I’ll be back
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13:12.00vondererok, I’ve started an openbox session
13:12.03vondererstarted chromium
13:12.18vondererwhen I click on downloaded file, it opens Firefox
13:12.27vondererthough in KDE it would open ark
13:13.01pinotreechromium is not a kde application
13:13.12annmayup I was about to say so
13:13.12vonderershit, that’s what I’m talking about!
13:13.17vondererand it works in KDE
13:13.22vondererbut doesn’t without it!
13:13.32annmawell read Chromium help and online FAQ
13:13.35vondererso, I need a service that makes it work started with my openbox session
13:13.40pinotreeno
13:13.44vondererwhat no?
13:13.47vondererit works in KDE
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13:13.52vondererand doesn’t without it
13:13.58vondererwhat service makes it work?
13:14.07pinotreethere's *no* service
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13:14.14pinotreeif chromium behaves differently in kde and outside kde, it's a chromium issue
13:14.15vondererok, what’s there then?
13:14.30vonderershit, every other non-kde program behaves the same way
13:14.41vondererI don’t want to configure it per-application
13:14.53vondererI want to use something used by KDE what makes it work
13:15.00vondererI just don’t know what is it.
13:15.08tsimpsonit probably uses xdg-open
13:15.18pinotreeyou don't know that, and you cannot know that, because there's no such thing
13:15.33vondererso
13:15.34vondereranswer that
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13:15.40vondererwhy does it work in KDE?
13:15.57pinotreeif non-kde applications react to the environment they are in, that's _their_ way of working, we can do nothing about that
13:16.02tsimpsonxdg-open actively checks fora KDE session and uses kfmclient iirc
13:16.35vondererthanks, that’s what I was asking about
13:16.38vondererbye
13:17.13pinotreenice when people listen to exactly what they want, even if they don't know anything about that
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13:34.23vondererhi again :)) FYI, to make system use KDE file associations, you should export DE=kde before starting anything
13:34.44vondererthanks for the help anyway, I got a bit too excited :)
13:34.57pinotreethat's not something kde's
13:35.09vondererthat’s right, my mistake
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13:35.30pinotree(just like i told you above, fyi)
13:35.51vondererthanks
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13:41.06o_aHello people. I've got a annoying problem here. After some hours running, plasma-desktop makes X CPU go unexplainable high. Then, I have to kill plasma-desktop and run it again.
13:41.32annmao_a: is that a standard default KDE desktop?
13:41.32o_aIs anyone else experiencing this?
13:41.48annmafirst you need to try with a new user
13:42.30annmadepending how much third part applets you added
13:42.41annmadescribe your panel and desktop please
13:43.10o_aWell, I have no third part applets but gmail-notifier
13:43.24annmanothing in panel?
13:43.28pinotreegmail-notifier is a "third part applet" ;)
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13:43.41pinotreetry without it for a while, and see how things go
13:43.50tuxickincredibly slow scrolling in konq 4.4.2 on nvidia, any solution?
13:43.56tuxickand i mean incredibly
13:43.58ziauddinHello
13:44.10o_apinotree: anyways, the situation was the same without it
13:44.30annmao_a: then ask in your distro channel if you run default distros
13:44.31o_aannma: I have three panels:
13:44.36annmao_a: then ask in your distro channel if you run default distro settings
13:44.38annmaahh
13:44.41annmaso that's not default
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13:45.03annmaanyway even distro default can include stuff we do ot release ourselves
13:45.10annmaot/not
13:45.17annmaI suggest you try a new user
13:45.25o_aOK
13:45.26ziauddinhello i am new in irc channel.what can i do now??
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13:45.55annmaziauddin: do you run KDE?
13:46.51ziauddinno...i am now working in genome
13:47.02ziauddinin fedora
13:47.08ziauddincan u help me??
13:47.21edneymatias:)
13:47.21ziauddinannma
13:47.44annmahelp you for what
13:48.09annmayou can go to #fedora to get help for your distro
13:50.01ziauddinno...i need to know about this Konversation actually
13:50.21annmaread the manual in Help menu ziauddin
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13:52.11ziauddinthanks annma..hey where are you from??
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13:52.32annmafrom earth
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13:53.10ziauddinha ha ha
13:53.37ziauddinI am also from earth>>>>
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15:16.58Cervantes_xDhi all :P
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15:30.55samuel_9i upgraded to kde4 from kde3 and i haven't managed to configure kwrite/text-editing as it was before. opening up a >200kb html file with newlines removed kwrite becomes VERY slow, taking half a minute just to load up the file. earlier in kde3 kwrite had no problem with that. other problem is the find. searching a word from 500kb text file it takes several seconds to find a word at the middle of the file. again, kwrite/kde3 was fast. are
15:30.56samuel_9these known problems?
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15:32.18samuel_9my kde is 4.4.2 (opensuse 11.2 x64)
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15:40.46ZoraelI get icon ghosting in the plasma systray widget when toggling hidden icons. I uploaded a (60kb) screencast at http://www.sendspace.com/file/4ave1a that sort of illustrates it. Is that worthy of a bug report? (Kubuntu lucid, Intel graphics)
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15:44.44arkaschawhat are the small plus and minus signs good for in the desktop folder plasmoid that appear when the mouse hovers over an icon ?
15:45.29arkaschathey change between plus and minus when clicking, but I cannot see any sense in them...
15:45.57arkaschaoh, sorry, using kde-4.4.2...
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16:04.31twois10This issue still has not been fixed: when you go a full screen mode, screen saver should be disabled along with sleep mode, but so far it's not the case
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16:06.45Jonathan_LHi. I'm on Ubuntu 10.04. There's no sound on my laptop. What can I do?
16:07.43ZoraelJonathan_L: Try in #ubuntu
16:08.01Jonathan_LI'm using KDE 4
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16:08.24Jonathan_Lhow do I check the exact version?
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16:09.32Jonathan_Lkubuntu-desktop
16:09.55annmalook in any KDE app Help menu -> ABout KDE
16:10.28Jonathan_L4.4.2
16:10.57annmaopen systemsettings
16:11.03annmalook at the sound tab
16:11.30Jonathan_Lmultimedia?
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16:12.34annmayes
16:15.38samuel_9so nobody uses kwrite in kde4? what editor is recommended then?
16:16.06cb400fkate?
16:16.19ZoraelI use kwrite
16:16.32cb400fme too.. for very basic edits
16:17.16samuel_9cb400f: it's the same with kate, because to my udnerstanding the text component is the same in kwrite and kate
16:18.14samuel_9Zorael & cb400f: just try the html editing example i mentioned. do you get 1min delay (cpu 100%) just for opening the file?
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16:21.48cb400fsamuel_9: the biggest html file I have is about 174 kb and it opens with both kate and kwrite in a about 2 secs
16:22.03cb400fhappen to use opensuse 11.2 with kde 4.4.2 too
16:22.07samuel_9cb400f: did you remove the newlines?
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16:26.14samuel_9cb400f: i'm not regexp expert but try this: tr -d '\n' < file.html > file2.html and then try opening the file2.html in kwrite
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16:32.50Jonathan_L_Hi
16:33.07Jonathan_L(that's me on my phone)
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16:37.11franxaviorhi there, is there any way to disable this desktop preview thing?
16:37.37franxavioreverytime i hover over a folder of any type with sub items it displays the folder in a preview
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16:40.06cb400ffranxavior: think option to disable that is planned for 4.5 :-(
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16:40.36annmaI don't see it in trunk
16:40.38franxavioroh bummer
16:40.49franxaviori was told it would be here in 10.04
16:40.53franxaviorkubuntu
16:40.55franxaviorthat sux
16:41.07annmait could have been a distro hack
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16:45.00sinthetekcan someone tell me the command to start control center from prompt with 4.4?
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16:46.41pinotreesystemsettings
16:46.41namero999hello everyone... i need help from creative people...
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16:46.57sinthetekahh, thanks pinotree
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16:47.27sintheteki figured that out at one point but forgot. googling wasn't very fruitful
16:47.37sinthetek(this time around)
16:47.37alienBOBnamero999: don't ask to ask - just ask
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16:47.46sinthetekanyway, thanks again!
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16:48.25namero999ok my app is ready and tested. i need to find a name for it :)
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16:48.46cb400fsomething with a K :-)
16:49.00alienBOBsuk?
16:49.02sreichplease not
16:49.55namero999here's the bad part. I didn't know which channel to join to ask this kind of help... so i joined kde because i always liked it's community on th forums and irc... but my app is actually a webapp :)
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16:50.21namero999and it's an online collaboration tool for creative people... we deals a lot with images
16:50.31pinotreenamero999: ##linux for you
16:51.00namero999too many people...
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16:53.35yao_ziyuana but in the current kde 4.4.3:
16:54.01yao_ziyuanclick an icon on the taskbar,
16:54.04yao_ziyuane,g. konsole,
16:54.15yao_ziyuanand move the mouse up to the desktop as fast as possible
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16:54.33yao_ziyuanthen there will be a small "konsole" taskbar button on the upper left
16:54.42yao_ziyuana bug
16:55.05QwertyMwhat is this icon? a launcher or a taskbar entry?
16:55.14yao_ziyuana launcher
16:55.31yao_ziyuanalso,
16:55.42yao_ziyuanoriginally the taskbar should only has exactly 1 entry
16:56.21yao_ziyuan1. let there be only one entry on the taskbar;
16:56.42yao_ziyuan2. click a launcher icon, and then move the mouse to the desktop as fast as possible
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16:57.13yao_ziyuan3. there will be an extra small taskbar entry for the newly launched program at the upper left of the taskbar
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16:57.33yao_ziyuanalso, my taskbar settings are "do not group", "do not sort"
16:57.57yao_ziyuanand "force row settings"
16:58.58QwertyMam moving my mice 'as fast as possible' after clicking, but I don't see anything else happen except konsole launch -- using a trunk built 30 minutes ago
16:59.04yao_ziyuanthe first entry on the taskbar should better be minimized to see this bug
16:59.24yao_ziyuanQwertyM: at first you have a taskbar entry and it is minimized
16:59.37yao_ziyuanQwertyM: then try the launch konsole
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17:02.01QwertyMyao_ziyuan: still no results, anyhow try to put these steps into a report on bugs.kde.org :)
17:02.23yao_ziyuanalso,
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17:02.37yao_ziyuanset the taskbar setting "maximum rows: 1" instead of 2
17:03.00yao_ziyuanif it's 2, the bug won't appear
17:03.02QwertyMI already have that :) [Though I still don't know why plasma asks me to 'force' it]
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17:03.23yao_ziyuanthe bug isn't related to whether you "force row settings"
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17:04.08yao_ziyuanmaybe it's my video card driver
17:04.24yao_ziyuanbugs can happen if things are drawn too simultaneously
17:05.44yao_ziyuanQwertyM: will give you a screenshot
17:06.26yao_ziyuanQwertyM: http://www.bytecool.com/temp/contents3.png
17:07.43yao_ziyuanthat small taskbar entry will disappear if the mouse is back to the taskbar
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18:38.36blendmaster1024if i were going to install kde on my system, and i wanted the very most supported i could get, i would want to compile from source instead of using my distro's, because then i'd have "vanilla", right?
18:39.06annmadistros do a very job with it
18:39.23blendmaster1024so vanilla is not worth compiling?
18:39.28alienBOBOf course it is
18:39.32blendmaster1024ok
18:39.32annmadepends onyour level
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18:39.35alienBOBSlackware installs a vanilla KDE
18:39.44alienBOBThe best KDE there is  - fast
18:39.48blendmaster1024alienBOB, i'm on ubu :/
18:39.50annmaMandriva installs a very stable desktop
18:40.00alienBOBblendmaster1024: I'll gladly guide you to Slackware ;-)
18:40.10annmaI did not test KUbuntu but it's good
18:40.23blendmaster1024alienBOB, too late, already set up camp on ubu. which is why i'm asking whether it's worth compiling
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18:41.06alienBOBCompiling on ubuntu is a hell in itself
18:41.16annmabah why?
18:41.33annmadevels compile on all sort of distros, Ubuntu included
18:41.37blendmaster1024compiling is easy, i'm all set up to compile all kinds of stuff
18:42.00blendmaster1024the only problem i could think of is if it messes with directories ubu has stuff in already
18:42.00annmaif you want to compile and are used to it you can go ahead then
18:42.15annmayou can set a custom install dir
18:42.17blendmaster1024annma, ok, so it is worth the compile time. thanks
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18:55.43zig_hi all
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18:56.00zig_I have a question regarding "activities"
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18:56.31zig_I am not sure I understand the concept : I can create new activites, but can I name them and switch between them ? I didn't find how
18:59.40cb400fyou can switch between them by zooming out or with the activty switcher widget
19:00.05cb400fif you enable activities on different virtual desktops you can switch with the desktop pager too
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19:01.03zig_ok thanks, I see now
19:01.14zig_it a bit slow though :(
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19:16.00zig_can I have one activity on 5 desktop and 1 different on the sixth ?
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19:24.59zig_argl I can't select the same activity on two desktops :/
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20:25.55NJLanybody have any idea how to make the tab plugin for Kate stay put?
20:26.00NJLI keep having to add it everytime I start kate
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20:30.57fantihello! is it possible to use kopete for video chat via icq ?
20:32.14NJLfanti: sure, just add an ICQ account
20:32.16NJLoh
20:32.18NJLsorry
20:32.21NJLdidnt see the video chat part
20:32.37NJL(the most important part of your question, too)
20:33.16fantiNJL: hmm i added my icq account but see no option for the video chat
20:33.55NJLsorry fantiI, I didn't see that part of your question, so I don't know the answer
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20:40.40TordekI use trayer for my tray bar, but when kded4 is running, most of my kde tray icons are hidden; is there any fix?
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21:33.47jaaltoThe manual page of konqueror(1) reads "--bg, --background <color>", but the term <color> is not epxlained. In what notation it is specified?
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21:36.01pinotreejaalto: i guess a named color like "green" or "red", or an RGB exadecimal triplet "#RRGGBB" (like #FFFFFF for white)
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21:39.27jaaltopinotree: Neither ' --background '#CCCCCCC' nor '--background blue' seem to affect the TAB background color. This is  4:4.3.4
21:41.00icwiener_jaalto: Does it have _any_ effect for you?
21:41.17jaaltoicwiener_: Nope. Nothing.
21:41.34icwiener_Ok, I was just wondering. Here (4.4.2) nothing changes either.
21:41.47jaaltoicwiener_: Or at least I only look ath if the TAB chnages color from standard white; it doesn't
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21:42.35jaaltoicwiener_: Hm. Is this bug in the program?
21:43.54jaaltoicwiener_: I would just like to have different color for ROOT
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21:46.32icwiener_It's a Qt option so maybe it's not applicable for KDE apps? --title does not work here either ... it works but is then overwritten by the usual app name the second it is changed.
21:46.37icwiener_jaalto: What is ROOT?
21:48.16jaalto'root user'
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21:51.51icwiener_Sorry no idea, I cannot get it to work either.
21:52.53cjaeHi, Is there some way while using twinview and the properitary nvidia driver, that kde could recognize from which panel an application is launched?
21:53.32cjaetherefore putting it on the correct screen
21:57.07cjaeor have to the cursor somehow click the screen that it is on so that when a application is called on that screen it does not show up on the other
21:57.49cjaeI believe this happens because the nvidia driver does not properly support randr, right?
22:00.02cjaeis very excited aboout nouveau
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22:26.51cilkayHello. I know there is a way to maximize a window by bumping the edge of the screen with the window in KDE 4. Is there a similar trick to have two windows split the screen horizontally 50/50?
22:31.30TordekI use trayer for my tray bar, but when kded4 is running, most of my kde tray icons are hidden; is there any fix?
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22:42.11octocppwhat is the openbox window manager like, and how is it compared to kdm ?
22:42.32thiago_homekdm is not a window manager
22:42.38octocppoh
22:42.40thiago_homeso it doesn't compare at all
22:42.45octocppok, sorry
22:43.03octocppwell, how can you run kde from openbox then ?
22:43.13thiago_homekde is not an application
22:43.16thiago_homeyou can't run KDE
22:43.34thiago_homedo you want to run the KDE Workspace?
22:43.39octocppont he openbox site it says you can run openbox as the window manager
22:44.45thiago_homeyes, you can
22:46.39thiago_homeI'd recommend that you start the KDE workspace normally, then just run: openbox --replace
22:49.11octocppwell, i was wondering how familier anyone was with is and wondered if they were on to something with performance, but itdoesnt seem like many people are very into it?
22:49.45octocppis it something that would adversly affect kde4? or make it even more light weight?
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22:53.22lamefunhello
22:53.53lamefunThe plasma has bug: if i load /usr/bin in folder view, Plasma will be not responsive until the whole folder content loads.
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22:54.24thiago_homeplease file it at bugs.kde.org
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