| 00:00.24 | ijwyn | funny thing though is that it doesn't affect all kde apps (obviously, since I was able to run kdebugdialog just fine) |
| 00:01.00 | Tophan | I just close by accident the field on task bar where running application are showed, like when I open Firefox there sould be long clicable "firefox" field |
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| 00:01.05 | Tophan | how can I repair it? |
| 00:01.12 | Tophan | Im total KDE noob |
| 00:01.32 | Tophan | PS. Its not my computer, I use AwesomeWM ;D |
| 00:01.38 | ijwyn | Tophan: you mean you closed the whole bar at the bottom? |
| 00:01.43 | Tophan | no |
| 00:01.53 | Torch | Tophan: click on the toolbox at the far right of the panel. pick add widgets. |
| 00:02.08 | Torch | Tophan: find the task manager widget. double click it. |
| 00:02.29 | Tophan | woohoo |
| 00:02.33 | Tophan | thx a lot |
| 00:02.56 | ijwyn | wish my problem was that easy to solve, lol |
| 00:03.02 | Necos | hehe |
| 00:03.08 | Tophan | ;) |
| 00:03.19 | Necos | ijwyn: i'm almost certain this is an i/o problem... are you still running atop? |
| 00:03.44 | ijwyn | I'd closed it, started it up again though |
| 00:03.49 | ijwyn | and it's still at 0% |
| 00:04.16 | Necos | just do everything you just did again and see if it goes crazy |
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| 00:05.14 | ijwyn | (note: konsole apparently isn't affected either, was able to start a new window by clicking on the task bar icon, not so with kwrite) |
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| 00:05.57 | ijwyn | well, wait remains at 0%... |
| 00:06.14 | ijwyn | I'm looking at the right place, right? last column all to the right, right under #exit? |
| 00:07.39 | ijwyn | it's as if it doesn't even go far enough to create an I/O error... which, possibly, could explain the lag of debug information? |
| 00:07.52 | Necos | going to install atop, gimme a second |
| 00:07.57 | ijwyn | *lack of, rather |
| 00:08.01 | ijwyn | ok |
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| 00:09.55 | Necos | yeah, that's right ijwyn |
| 00:10.07 | Necos | what does avg1 read? |
| 00:10.23 | ijwyn | avg1 = 4.59 |
| 00:10.28 | Necos | uh... |
| 00:10.35 | ijwyn | 4.86 now |
| 00:10.51 | Necos | yewhat does sys say (right above it) |
| 00:10.58 | Necos | *what |
| 00:11.01 | ijwyn | sys = 35% |
| 00:11.08 | ijwyn | just shot to 50 |
| 00:11.12 | Necos | user? |
| 00:11.19 | ijwyn | 22% |
| 00:11.34 | ijwyn | 23... that one doesn't seem to change by much |
| 00:11.54 | Necos | you have something taking up a lot of cpu time, and it's a system process |
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| 00:12.30 | ijwyn | well I do have wine & Virtual Box running, and those are both eating a lot of CPU |
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| 00:12.37 | Necos | >.> |
| 00:12.44 | Necos | i'm going to slap you |
| 00:12.48 | ijwyn | ? |
| 00:13.05 | Necos | you don't try to debug a problem while running other apps that could potentially be the problem :P |
| 00:13.31 | ijwyn | oh, well, in that case, we have a problem, cause I have tons of apps running, lol |
| 00:13.40 | ijwyn | shouldn't it still be outputing information though? |
| 00:13.52 | Necos | not if there's not enough cpu time to do so |
| 00:14.04 | ijwyn | and I'm pretty sure I've had this problem before when I wasn't running wine or VB |
| 00:14.26 | ijwyn | well, according to gkrellm I'm only using about 40% of my CPU |
| 00:14.33 | Torch | ijwyn: it's safe to assume wine and virtualbox have nothing to do with this. |
| 00:14.35 | ijwyn | though it varies |
| 00:15.05 | Necos | i disagree Torch... |
| 00:15.14 | Necos | especially when he has 35% sys |
| 00:15.27 | Torch | Necos: from what you say i'm not sure you understand what that even means ;-) |
| 00:15.48 | Necos | lol |
| 00:16.09 | Necos | anyway, i need to get out of the lab... it's already 8pm here in princeton |
| 00:16.39 | Necos | but i'd eliminate wine and vbox to make sure that they're not bumping up the sys usage |
| 00:16.42 | ijwyn | on a side note, when I've had this problem before and had to restart X to get rid of it, when I closed all the apps, the problem didn't go away until after I had restarted the session :-o |
| 00:17.13 | Necos | i'll bbl |
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| 00:17.37 | ijwyn | any other thoughts, Torch? |
| 00:18.06 | Torch | ijwyn: without debugging information it's hard to say what's going on. |
| 00:18.19 | Torch | ijwyn: my crystal ball's in the shop this week... |
| 00:18.29 | ijwyn | yeah, that's always been the problem with this thing... |
| 00:18.30 | ijwyn | lol |
| 00:18.44 | ijwyn | I wonder why the debug doesn't work |
| 00:18.57 | Torch | ijwyn: you might want to re-check you turned all output on. |
| 00:19.06 | Torch | ijwyn: even might want to take a screenshot of kdebugdialog and prove it ;-) |
| 00:19.24 | ijwyn | lol |
| 00:19.32 | ijwyn | well, I clicked on "select all" |
| 00:19.36 | ijwyn | and then "apply" |
| 00:19.40 | Torch | ijwyn: sounds reasonable |
| 00:19.43 | ijwyn | that should have done the trick, I would think |
| 00:20.00 | Torch | ijwyn: yes. |
| 00:21.01 | ijwyn | I'm noticing something odd, though |
| 00:21.18 | ijwyn | kdebugdialog has a field where you can type in the name of a process |
| 00:21.25 | ijwyn | when I type krusader it doesn't find anything |
| 00:21.31 | ijwyn | does it only list running processes? |
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| 00:21.48 | Torch | ijwyn: it lists processes it has seen offering debug output |
| 00:22.10 | ijwyn | hmm, ok |
| 00:22.19 | Torch | ijwyn: konqueror is a better test case than krusader, i would say |
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| 00:22.36 | Torch | ijwyn: and you should find that. and lots of kio stuff that outputs lots of information if you run konqueror from a shell |
| 00:23.20 | ijwyn | well I did try it with konqueror too and did not get anything from it either, I'm afraid |
| 00:24.07 | Torch | ijwyn: and the process hangs and you have to kill it? or does it just quit silently? |
| 00:24.20 | ijwyn | it hangs |
| 00:24.40 | ijwyn | all of them do that, that's one symptom they all have in common |
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| 00:25.43 | Torch | ijwyn: you could try running "strace -f konqueror" |
| 00:25.45 | ijwyn | how do I start konqueror as a file manager from the shell? that's one thing I haven't tried yet |
| 00:25.50 | Torch | ijwyn: that will produce loads of output |
| 00:25.52 | ijwyn | (I'd just type konqueror which starts it in web mode) |
| 00:25.58 | Torch | ijwyn: it would be interesting to see where it hangs. |
| 00:26.08 | ijwyn | aha! good idea! |
| 00:26.42 | Torch | ijwyn: see konqueror --help. if that actually works, that is. |
| 00:27.04 | ijwyn | I know exactly what to do to make it hang... and so just did ;-) |
| 00:27.29 | ijwyn | give me a minute, I'll show you the output |
| 00:27.53 | ijwyn | don't need everything, I suppose, just the end? |
| 00:28.15 | Torch | ijwyn: everything would be better, but it's probalby hundreds of kib or even some mib |
| 00:28.32 | Torch | ijwyn: pastebin the last few hundred lines |
| 00:28.40 | ijwyn | yeah, a lot of it scrolled off the screen, lol, but I'll put as much as I can |
| 00:28.57 | Torch | ijwyn: you could try again, redirecting with "> strace.out 2>&1" |
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| 00:29.37 | ijwyn | ok, good idea... |
| 00:29.50 | ijwyn | you know, I just noticed it went so far as to crash the konsole I was running it in, lol |
| 00:29.54 | ijwyn | can't Ctrl-C it! |
| 00:30.14 | Torch | then it hangs in some syscall. |
| 00:30.25 | Torch | wait a couple of seconds. |
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| 00:33.33 | ijwyn | Torch: while I was waiting, I tried the strace.out trick... the output is 1.3 MB... want it all? :-o |
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| 00:34.07 | Torch | ijwyn: if you have decent hosting, sure. |
| 00:34.49 | Torch | ijwyn: but as i said before, the last hundred or twohundred lines should suffice for starters. |
| 00:35.16 | ijwyn | actually, you could just get it off my machine: |
| 00:35.18 | ijwyn | http://unicorn.zapto.org/temp/strace.out |
| 00:35.59 | ijwyn | shouldn't take too long to grab... |
| 00:36.22 | Torch | ijwyn: looking at it already. |
| 00:36.30 | ijwyn | heheh |
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| 00:37.53 | Torch | hmm, looks like it hangs in when trying to connect to some socket that has to do with fam. |
| 00:38.08 | Torch | has no detailed knowledge of fam stuff :-( |
| 00:38.17 | ijwyn | I can tell you the exact thing I was doing when it hung |
| 00:38.30 | Torch | ijwyn: i though it's not running at all? |
| 00:38.44 | ijwyn | no, kwrite doesn't run at all |
| 00:38.50 | ijwyn | konqueror does, but as a web browser |
| 00:38.53 | ijwyn | but |
| 00:39.10 | Torch | ijwyn: hmm, it would be preferable to have an strace output of something that just hangs on startup. |
| 00:39.10 | ijwyn | when I go to the address bar and type a path pointing to my hard drive |
| 00:39.15 | Torch | ijwyn: yeah, sounds like fam. |
| 00:39.17 | ijwyn | as soon as I hit the enter key, it freezes |
| 00:39.26 | Torch | ijwyn: or some kio thing. |
| 00:39.37 | Torch | ijwyn: what KDE version is this, btw? |
| 00:39.42 | ijwyn | ok, well I can try the same with kwrite, that one hangs right away |
| 00:39.49 | ijwyn | KDE 3.5 (old, I know, lol) |
| 00:39.57 | Torch | ijwyn: yeah, i was suspecting that. |
| 00:40.06 | Torch | ijwyn: no one will really be able to help you. |
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| 00:40.20 | ijwyn | ouch |
| 00:40.55 | ijwyn | I know I need to upgrade, but it's always such a pain and I rarely have enough time to go through all the motions, it's so time consuming *sigh* |
| 00:41.02 | Torch | ijwyn: well, the last kde 3.5 version came out, like 2008 or so. |
| 00:41.09 | ijwyn | if there's one thing I dislike about linux, I'd say that was it, lol |
| 00:41.22 | ijwyn | yeah, mine is from 2007 |
| 00:41.34 | Dracuda | OK i was directed here from the opensuse forums I am running 11.2 64 bit opensuse kde4.2.x i install my nvidia drivers fine but i can't seem to install compiz on my system I was then told in the other forum that i cant use compiz because newer kde has effects built into it how do i activate those and truely can i install or not compiz |
| 00:41.38 | ijwyn | I think it's the longest I've gone between updates |
| 00:41.49 | ijwyn | or upgrades, rather |
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| 00:42.02 | Torch | Dracuda: you don't need to install compiz. and you also shouldn't ;-) |
| 00:42.14 | Torch | ijwyn: install a recent KDE. anything else is a waste of time. |
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| 00:42.51 | ijwyn | http://unicorn.zapto.org/temp/strace2.out |
| 00:43.04 | ijwyn | (this one is much smaller, about 290 KB) |
| 00:43.20 | Torch | ijwyn: hands when trying to access some socket in /tmp |
| 00:43.39 | Torch | ijwyn: you might check permissions in /tmp... but i have no detailed idea. |
| 00:43.48 | ijwyn | yeah, I know, but to upgrade KDE I'd have to upgrade Mandriva first, and before I do that I need to get a new hard drive... and then it'll likely take me a whole afternoon to run the upgrade, that's a lot of time, sigh |
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| 00:44.05 | ijwyn | interesting |
| 00:44.19 | Torch | ijwyn: my impression is you just wasted nearly an hour of your and my time with all this... was that time free? ;-) |
| 00:44.46 | ijwyn | well......... |
| 00:45.09 | ijwyn | I don't know if it's wasted, for one thing, cause if you nailed the problem I might be able to fix it |
| 00:45.14 | Dracuda | well how do i go about getting my eyecandy fix no lie i have always been a gnome man with my compiz and recently fooling round with gnome shell new to the whole kde scene but i like this whole plasmoid thing and the launcher basicly the overall look but can i or how do i get things like my cube and flameing windows and such can i do that through this kde |
| 00:45.21 | ijwyn | and one hour's better than 6 or 7, lol |
| 00:45.47 | ijwyn | what should the permission in /tmp be set to, btw? |
| 00:46.07 | Torch | ijwyn: like i said, no detailed ideas. i haven't run kde 3.5 in years. |
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| 00:46.32 | ijwyn | wow... *blinks* I see 15578 in /tmp... that seems like a hell of a lot! |
| 00:46.44 | Torch | Dracuda: systemsettings -> desktop -> desktop effects |
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| 00:49.01 | ijwyn | btw, konqueror runs fine when I run it as root, so I'm using that to look at /tmp and I'm noticing that it tends to freeze, probably because there are so many files in there |
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| 00:50.16 | Torch | ijwyn: if you have 15k files in /tmp your system is broken. it's supposed to clean that up on itself, normally. |
| 00:50.17 | enderw_nb | why is the konqueror website not been updated? the last version that was reported on was 3.5.4? |
| 00:51.04 | Torch | enderw_nb: too few people with too many things to do |
| 00:51.34 | ijwyn | well, I see the vast majority of them have names beginning with NO-IP, so I'm guessing they are created by the no-ip daemon... there might be an issue with that, as I think I saw some no-ip related errors in syslog earlier |
| 00:51.50 | ijwyn | also, I'm seeing a .X0-lock with root permissions, maybe that one's the problem... |
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| 00:53.14 | ijwyn | stuff in /tmp can theoretically be deleted, right? if a file is in use the system would not be able to delete it, right? |
| 00:54.19 | Dracuda | ok cool found all the effects thanks but little stumped on a USA standard keyboard what is the meta key that a lot of the commands are refrenced to? |
| 00:55.31 | ijwyn | just looked at those noip errors in syslog again... apparently, it keeps finding errors and writes to a tmp file once every minute! |
| 00:55.39 | whoever | is their an official name for the start orb in windows7 |
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| 00:56.06 | kennypu | hello, i had a quick question |
| 00:56.11 | ijwyn | I don't think this is causing the hangups, though, cause I didn't have these errors in the past when the hangups begun |
| 00:56.12 | whoever | is their an official name for the start orb in windows7 |
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| 00:56.37 | whoever | kennypu: whats your q? |
| 00:56.44 | ijwyn | *blinks at whoever* in windows? |
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| 00:57.34 | kennypu | thanks for the reply. anyways, in the 'kpowersave information dialog', where it shows the cpus and its frequency |
| 00:57.38 | whoever | ijwyn: why blink? , brb food |
| 00:57.58 | kennypu | for some reason, it shows 2 processors, and the laptop I am using should be single-core |
| 00:58.25 | ijwyn | whoever: er, maybe because you're asking a windows question in a linux channel? ;-) (or is there a windows version of kde that I don't know about?) |
| 00:58.31 | James147 | kennypu: is your laptop hyperthreaded? |
| 00:58.57 | kennypu | no i'm using a linux distro. and @james, sorry i'm not sure what that is :P |
| 00:59.22 | Dracuda | ok cool found all the effects thanks but little stumped on a USA standard keyboard what is the meta key that a lot of the commands are refrenced to? |
| 00:59.54 | James147 | kennypu: hyperthreading is where the proscessor can have more then one thread per core (normally 2) to the os it looks like 2 core but its really jsut one with two taks running on it (normally using different parts of the cores) |
| 00:59.56 | ijwyn | kennypu: I was referring to whoever, not you |
| 01:00.57 | kennypu | @james, ahh that would make sense. I did a quick lookup, and it says that intel chips (the laptop i'm currently on uses atom), so that would make sense |
| 01:01.28 | kennypu | its supported by intel chips*. That makes more sense now, thanks for the help james147 |
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| 01:03.05 | ijwyn | well, I should probably get some sleep... thanks for the help, Torch |
| 01:03.31 | Torch | ijwyn: same here. yw. |
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| 01:11.03 | whoever | ijwyn: damn didn't see that the chan didn't change , thx |
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| 01:11.32 | whoever | is their an official name for the start orb in windows7 |
| 01:11.50 | whoever | .. damn it |
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| 01:17.10 | oneforall | when something gets added to the systray , where does it keep the info of whats added ? |
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| 01:18.27 | sahko | oneforall: you can disable the systray for both amarok and ktorrent from their settings |
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| 01:19.36 | oneforall | well just trying to get rid of it out of systray. They don't want to work with right click ,quit. I try that and see if it helps |
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| 01:20.20 | oneforall | I have 2 amarok right now that I can't get rid of :) |
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| 01:21.57 | oneforall | make that 3 now. the 3rd has not quit on the right click :0 |
| 01:22.07 | oneforall | not/no |
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| 01:23.36 | James147 | oneforall: not sure if this will help but: you can try removing the systray and adding a new one back again |
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| 01:24.00 | sahko | like i said disable the systray icon from the application settings. doesnt that work? |
| 01:25.18 | oneforall | no thats what i was tring there. opened amark and unchecked systray. but its still left the icon . But with no quit on the right click and no minamize |
| 01:25.19 | James147 | sahko: sounds like a buggy systray (items remaing after the aplication closed) but I could be wrong |
| 01:25.27 | oneforall | kde 4.4.90 |
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| 01:25.41 | oneforall | but had the same in 4.4.4. |
| 01:25.51 | James147 | oneforall: have you tryed removing and re adding the systray? |
| 01:25.58 | oneforall | yeha |
| 01:26.18 | oneforall | going to tyry it one more time thou. that 1 of the 3 might disapear:0 |
| 01:27.00 | James147 | oneforall: if that dosent work try it with a new user... if it works the way it should with a new user its a config bug |
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| 01:29.05 | oneforall | wow taking a bit for it to load |
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| 01:32.25 | oneforall | 15 and circling still. bit confused;) |
| 01:33.58 | sahko | sounds like you should visit bugs.kde.org |
| 01:34.34 | oneforall | drag dropped in on the panel and now its not tring to load anything . But it has an empty space eaual to the width or them |
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| 01:43.34 | oneforall | org.kde.statusNotifieritem-1627-1/StatusNotifieritem thats whats in the System Tray Settings now 4 of those. 3 for amarok 1 for the ktorrent . hide them and the space is gone. so its just not loading the pretty picture |
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| 03:15.06 | jhalogen | hi. anyone know what year konqueror 3 came out? |
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| 05:22.22 | oneforall | great now when I download a file in konqeuror(file mode) I'm not getting the download dialog popup |
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| 05:25.39 | oneforall | where in konqueror config do you enable the download dialog popup ? |
| 05:25.54 | oneforall | looked threw there and still don't see it |
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| 05:32.03 | oneforall | geez ever since that systray now I don't get the friggin dialog popups for the down loads(old way) :( |
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| 05:32.47 | oneforall | not the kget . just the old dialog poipups |
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| 05:46.02 | oneforall | err now that kget is stuck in the systray. |
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| 05:46.57 | oneforall | system Tray Setting> Entries that x is usless in there |
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| 06:32.00 | hceylan | anyone experiencing freezes in kmail as you hit send. |
| 06:32.17 | hceylan | Couple of restarts of the whole OS seems to resolve the issue. |
| 06:33.06 | hceylan | What's strange is kmail does not freeze altogether. paint events are still processed ie: if I resize the window it re-layouts the controls and the cursor still flashes |
| 06:33.54 | hceylan | Only the new mail never gets send and no click keyboard events processed by either the main screen or new mail window |
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| 06:34.33 | hceylan | And I can see kmail is still pooling the mail server and progress is reported in the status bar. |
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| 06:59.57 | jospoortvliet_ | oneforall: about the download dialogs you don't configure it in konqi |
| 07:00.01 | jospoortvliet_ | but in the systemtray |
| 07:00.03 | jospoortvliet_ | where they go now |
| 07:00.18 | jospoortvliet_ | it's a global thing - all dialogs separate or gathered together in systray. |
| 07:00.25 | jospoortvliet_ | meant to keep things clean :D |
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| 07:15.31 | oneforall | jospoortvliet_ thats weird I still had it till systray was screwing up here. or maybe the taking it off the panel and back again has brought it to this with 4.4.90? |
| 07:15.53 | oneforall | I hope not I don't want that new way I hate it I want the friggin dialogs. |
| 07:16.13 | oneforall | I had that crap turned off wich was nice |
| 07:16.41 | jospoortvliet_ | hmmm |
| 07:16.55 | jospoortvliet_ | oneforall: if you unlock the widgets and configure systemtray it's under notifications |
| 07:16.59 | jospoortvliet_ | should work |
| 07:17.13 | oneforall | I use the dialogs to put them where I want and not annoying me |
| 07:17.27 | jospoortvliet_ | well the systray hides them, shouldn't be annoying ;-) |
| 07:17.33 | jospoortvliet_ | but yeah the popping up is unconfigurable |
| 07:17.38 | jospoortvliet_ | I don't like it that much either |
| 07:17.49 | jospoortvliet_ | looking forward to what they did with it in 4.5 maybe it's better |
| 07:18.24 | oneforall | yeah I turned it off in the systry cause when I removed it and brought it back again it kinda was back to start :0 But for some reason I still can't get the dialog to come up when I do a save |
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| 07:18.59 | oneforall | the old style ones :( |
| 07:19.19 | jospoortvliet_ | weird |
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| 07:19.35 | jospoortvliet_ | so even if you disable it in the systray the separate dialogs don't show up? |
| 07:19.45 | jospoortvliet_ | what if you quit plasma and do a file transfer, do they show up? |
| 07:20.09 | oneforall | well that systray is still screwed up looks like I'll have to log out and back in again. maybe then the dialog will work |
| 07:20.13 | oneforall | yeah |
| 07:20.26 | oneforall | quit plasma? |
| 07:20.47 | jospoortvliet_ | alt-F2: "kquitapp plasma-desktop" |
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| 07:21.03 | jospoortvliet_ | so plasma desktop quits and you can do a file transfer in dolphin |
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| 07:21.08 | jospoortvliet_ | then see if dialogs show up |
| 07:21.11 | oneforall | ok I'll try that |
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| 07:21.16 | jospoortvliet_ | if they don't, something weird is going on |
| 07:21.29 | jospoortvliet_ | if they do, plasma still eats your dialogs even after disabling it - weird too :D |
| 07:21.42 | jospoortvliet_ | you can re-start plasma by alt-F2: "plasma-desktop" |
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| 07:21.49 | oneforall | na not dolphin but konq file mode(dolphin pretending to be konq) :D |
| 07:23.00 | jospoortvliet_ | doesn't matter |
| 07:23.07 | jospoortvliet_ | any KDE app doing filetransfers does it the same way |
| 07:23.13 | oneforall | ok now it works . will try restarting plasma. maybe the tray will be fixed too |
| 07:23.15 | jospoortvliet_ | so even if you do it from file open dialog :D |
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| 07:24.15 | jospoortvliet_ | oneforall: ok so if plasma eats the file dialogs again after it is started have a good look at the config. Make sure you right-click systemtray, go to settings -> Information and disable "Pop Up Notices: "File transfers and other jobs" |
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| 07:24.44 | oneforall | kewl that fixed the dialog with plasma back too. Just not the org.... ones(which would be 3 amarok, 1 ktorrent) |
| 07:25.07 | oneforall | no I restarted "plasma-desktop" and its fine for the dialog |
| 07:25.37 | jospoortvliet_ | ok cool |
| 07:25.47 | jospoortvliet_ | weird it didn't work right away, does work fine here... |
| 07:26.07 | jospoortvliet_ | oneforall: dude I have to leave, have fun, hope it helped |
| 07:26.23 | oneforall | thanks |
| 07:26.52 | oneforall | it could still be from tyhe amarok.ktorrents not being removed witht eh quit |
| 07:28.18 | oneforall | brb |
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| 08:21.23 | ferrari | ay alguien? |
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| 08:34.37 | Schumbi | Hi |
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| 08:36.39 | Teratogen | kde is stable with this new video card |
| 08:36.57 | Teratogen | apparently the on-motherboard video chipset was just not up to the task |
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| 08:58.35 | ijwyn | quick question: if I run kdeinit from a console to fix a problem, will it restart my kde session? |
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| 09:08.51 | berniyh | hi, maybe some of you can help me with a problem regarding kile |
| 09:09.31 | berniyh | I must have hit some shortcut and now kile changed the direction of written text from left->right to right->left |
| 09:09.47 | berniyh | I searched in the shortcut list, but found nothing there |
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| 09:56.15 | sickboy | good morning |
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| 09:58.32 | Nece228 | cool 4.5 rc2 is tagged |
| 09:58.37 | Nece228 | but why its 4.4.92 |
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| 10:03.16 | GortiZ | hi to all. |
| 10:04.11 | GortiZ | i'm writing a software that needs to copy files into the desktop folder, but for every localization the folder name changes.. is it written in some config file? is there any way to read that name from terminal? |
| 10:04.39 | Nece228 | GortiZ: what distro? |
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| 10:05.27 | Nece228 | GortiZ: check out services |
| 10:05.28 | GortiZ | kubuntu |
| 10:05.46 | GortiZ | Nece228: services? |
| 10:06.29 | Nece228 | GortiZ: system settings > advanced > service manager |
| 10:06.33 | pinotree | GortiZ: are you writing a kde application? |
| 10:06.55 | GortiZ | i'm writing a C software... independent from the desktop enviroment |
| 10:07.12 | GortiZ | but, since other software will use qt |
| 10:07.20 | Nece228 | GortiZ: sorry, nevermind my posts, i misunderstood your post |
| 10:07.29 | GortiZ | Nece228: ok |
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| 10:08.30 | GortiZ | and since more or less every pc in which i'll distribute will use a kde environment i think that if it's written in a kde conf file i could read it from there |
| 10:08.45 | GortiZ | (for the rest of the clients i'll do some other workaround... i don't know) |
| 10:08.54 | pinotree | this is not something kde specific |
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| 10:10.58 | GortiZ | pinotree: i know, but from #Kubuntu channel they didn't know how to answer, so i've tryied asking here... btw thanks |
| 10:11.28 | pinotree | you need to use http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/basedir-spec and another XDG spec i don't remember the name now |
| 10:12.05 | pinotree | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs |
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| 10:13.24 | GortiZ | pinotree: thanks |
| 10:13.28 | Torch | GortiZ: please don't ask questions here AND on #kubuntu |
| 10:13.35 | GortiZ | Torch: sorry... |
| 10:13.46 | Torch | GortiZ: pinotree and i don't need to do the same work at the same time. |
| 10:14.08 | pinotree | there should also be a very small C library (xdg-basedir) doing the basedir part |
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| 10:14.22 | GortiZ | Torch: i'll not do that again :S |
| 10:14.53 | GortiZ | I'll go reading the docs, thanks to both of you. |
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| 11:12.57 | adamk | So this is neat. I want to disable compositing in kwin, so I bring up the control module and it tell me "Compositing is not supported on your system" . The "Enable desktop effects" check box is grayed out, yet right below that it says "Compositing is active" and gives me an option to suspend it. |
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| 11:18.18 | jacks__ | in which package is kdialog? |
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| 11:19.46 | Jucato | jacks__: kdebase, but check with your distro to be sure |
| 11:19.53 | Jucato | (if you mean kdialog the app, not KDialog, the C++ class) |
| 11:20.05 | spidermario | kdebase-bin on Debian |
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| 11:20.44 | jacks__ | k |
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| 11:23.12 | Torch | jacks__: don't ask the same question on several channels at once please. |
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| 11:24.00 | Jucato | performs Kage Bunshin no Jutsu to answer it all on all channels |
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| 11:24.47 | salvin | jacks__: in debian kdebase-bin |
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| 12:17.20 | abhi_nav | can give me link which things microsofts stolen from kde? |
| 12:18.55 | Torch | abhi_nav: that's silly |
| 12:19.12 | abhi_nav | Torch, they ddnt steal anything? |
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| 12:19.46 | abhi_nav | Torch, my friend told that flipping window is microsoft work. which kde adopted |
| 12:19.50 | abhi_nav | like that |
| 12:20.05 | Torch | abhi_nav: claiming someone "steals" ideas from someone else in GUI apps is pointless. |
| 12:20.16 | abhi_nav | Torch, :( |
| 12:20.22 | Torch | abhi_nav: yeah, that might be. |
| 12:20.37 | Torch | abhi_nav: so what. |
| 12:20.52 | abhi_nav | Torch, true or false? |
| 12:21.08 | Torch | abhi_nav: i don't know for sure. because i couldn't care less, really. it does not matter. |
| 12:21.09 | Schumbi | Hi |
| 12:21.23 | ijwyn | so long as it works :-) |
| 12:21.32 | abhi_nav | Torch, ok |
| 12:22.16 | Schumbi | Is there any program which is able to manage the nepomuk tags and ressources? |
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| 12:29.27 | Schumbi | no ideas or are there simply no programs? |
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| 12:44.33 | prophy | hello i just installed kde and switched to the netbook surface but i dont see the search and launch application |
| 12:44.42 | prophy | what do i need for that or how do i start it? |
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| 12:49.28 | Sanitoeter | right click on desktop, Desktop Activity Settings -> Activity -> Type: Search and Launch Containment |
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| 12:50.46 | prophy | ah thank you |
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| 13:16.28 | yao_ziyuan | suppose i want a sticky note on the desktop, |
| 13:16.48 | yao_ziyuan | but i don't want its content to be shown by default; |
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| 13:17.03 | yao_ziyuan | instead, i want it to be shown as an icon |
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| 13:17.28 | yao_ziyuan | the content is shown only when i move the mouse on the icon |
| 13:17.32 | yao_ziyuan | is there anything like this? |
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| 13:33.10 | markg85 | Hi, i have a KDE dolhin network access question. Right now i need to provide my network user/pass in System settings -> Sharing but i was wondering if there is a way to do this automatically since my kde user/pass are the same...? |
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| 13:36.17 | Kame2 | markg85: on a linux/unix system kde has no chance to get you password. you type it in, it is checked and after that it is removed from memory for securety reasons |
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| 13:37.59 | markg85 | Kame2: so there is simply no other way then filling in System settings -> Sharing even though my user/pass are the same? |
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| 13:38.09 | Kame2 | right |
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| 13:38.35 | markg85 | Kame2: damn... but good to know :) saves me searching |
| 13:38.43 | Kame2 | ;) |
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| 14:12.54 | mika__ | hi, i'm using a multi monitor, is it possible to make some friction/border passing from one monitor to another? it would be useful when going in the top-right angle to close a window...right now the cursor goes on the other monitor.. :( i've also some hidden space in the bottom and i don't understand why.... |
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| 14:39.52 | docx_ | Hi, I'm writing some widget for plasma and trying setStatus feature in system tray. But unconnected with this, my plasma crashes when I set my plasmoid to "always hidden" in systray. I'm using KDE4.5 RC1. But for eg notification, batary.. applet can hide without problems. Where can I do mistake or it is bug in plasma? |
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| 16:54.11 | Draglor | I got kde 4.5 rc1 installed (kubuntu 10.04) but I can't copy large files (reproducable on an 170 MB file) to a vfat formatted disk usind kde (or even usind console if automounted by KDE) the only way to copy for me is mounting the device manually as root and copy then. Does anyone have the same issue maybe even a solution? (The file is partly copied, but hangs at random copied MB, sometimes it copys the full file, but doesn't finish it and hangs at 0 |
| 16:54.11 | Draglor | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.55 | sreich | by using console you mean using cp or kioclient? |
| 16:56.07 | Scunizi | What's a good program to view font on your system in the way they are suppose to look? |
| 16:56.18 | Draglor | cp |
| 16:56.25 | Draglor | or mv or anything like this |
| 16:56.42 | sreich | what happens if you moutn it manually? (when it's unmounted of course) |
| 16:56.58 | sreich | (and is there anything in dmesg)? |
| 16:57.20 | Draglor | from my last post: the only way to copy for me is mounting the device manually as root and copy then. |
| 16:57.26 | Draglor | manually it works |
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| 16:57.32 | Scunizi | Draglor: sounds like permissions are wrong for the drive |
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| 16:57.33 | Draglor | nothing in dmesg or syslog |
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| 16:57.59 | sreich | Scunizi: try kfontview? |
| 16:58.01 | Draglor | Scunizi: I formatted it several times .. i can copy small files, but no large files |
| 16:58.13 | Draglor | no permission erros |
| 16:58.14 | sreich | (I'm rather surprised the kcm doesn't provide this, even?) |
| 16:58.16 | Draglor | error |
| 16:58.17 | Scunizi | sreich: thanks.. |
| 16:58.34 | Scunizi | Draglor: is large around 4 gigs? |
| 16:58.37 | Draglor | no |
| 16:58.51 | Scunizi | are you mounting it in fstab at all? |
| 16:58.55 | Draglor | as I wrote it is just about 170MB |
| 16:58.58 | Draglor | no |
| 16:59.14 | Draglor | it's mounted by KDE (udev I think) |
| 16:59.17 | Scunizi | is it a thumb drive? or internal ? |
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| 16:59.25 | Draglor | external |
| 16:59.29 | Scunizi | usb? |
| 16:59.33 | Draglor | yes |
| 17:00.00 | Draglor | monting it manually works, but if mounted by kde it fails |
| 17:00.07 | sreich | Draglor: impossible that it's udev. it's hal that's mounting it |
| 17:00.13 | Draglor | hal? |
| 17:00.14 | sreich | don't think solid has udev support yet |
| 17:00.18 | Draglor | isn't hal deprecated? |
| 17:00.23 | Scunizi | still could be permissions.. some usb drives mount with wacky permissions via udev or whatever is controilling that.. not sure how to fix it.. but that's what I've read in the past. |
| 17:00.33 | sreich | Draglor: that doesn't mean applications magically don't use it |
| 17:00.38 | Draglor | Scunizi: no It can't be permissions |
| 17:00.45 | Draglor | I can write to the device |
| 17:00.55 | Draglor | anything only large files fail |
| 17:01.08 | sreich | until Solid is ported to udev it will be using hal. gnome actually has to rewrite all of their applications to use udev whereas we just have 1 library to create a backend for |
| 17:01.58 | Draglor | so I should go ask the HAL devs? |
| 17:02.25 | Draglor | why I can't copy large files but small files? |
| 17:02.32 | sreich | no idea |
| 17:02.42 | sreich | (on both accoutns) |
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| 17:04.02 | Draglor | no one any idea about this? |
| 17:05.06 | Scunizi | Draglor: do you have to have vfat on the drive? if not format with ext3.. if windows needs to read it install the ext3 driver for windows |
| 17:05.22 | Scunizi | *in windows |
| 17:05.36 | Scunizi | Draglor: vfat seems that it might be the issue. |
| 17:05.55 | sreich | Scunizi: why? ext3 has quite a pretty big overhead for such a small(assuming) device |
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| 17:06.09 | Draglor | I have and it worked before installing kde 4.5 rc1 |
| 17:06.14 | sreich | heh "quite a pretty big.." |
| 17:06.23 | Draglor | it's not vfat having this issue |
| 17:06.41 | Scunizi | sreich: it's an external usb hd.. not a thumb driver from what Draglor said.. so I'm not sure what kind of space it has. |
| 17:06.50 | sreich | ah okay |
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| 17:07.05 | Scunizi | Draglor: are you sure? |
| 17:07.43 | Draglor | If I mount it manually it works, so yes, I am sure |
| 17:08.00 | Draglor | it only fails if mounted by kde |
| 17:08.25 | Draglor | it isn't a hd it is a thumb drive Scunizi |
| 17:08.34 | Draglor | 2 GB space |
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| 17:09.06 | Draglor | please don't assume things I didn't say Scunizi |
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| 17:09.45 | sharp15 | how do i disable password caching entirely in konqueror? |
| 17:09.59 | sharp15 | konqueror-4.3.5 |
| 17:10.22 | Scunizi | Draglor: I did ask earlier.. I asked if it was a thumb drive or external... you said external |
| 17:11.02 | Scunizi | then I asked if it was usb and you said yes.. so don't bark at me for assuming |
| 17:11.35 | Draglor | it is a USB thumb drive .. you assumed a hd by USB? |
| 17:11.50 | Draglor | not my fault ... USB != harddrive |
| 17:11.53 | sreich | he didn't assume..you answered :) |
| 17:12.01 | Scunizi | Draglor: no.. I assumed HD by my initial question of thumb drive or external |
| 17:12.10 | Draglor | But I didn't say anything about a HD |
| 17:12.19 | Scunizi | gives up |
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| 17:12.26 | Draglor | isn't a thumb drive exterenal? |
| 17:12.52 | Draglor | OK, so it's an internal thumbdrive (but connected external to my USB port) |
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| 17:13.10 | Scunizi | wrong again.. |
| 17:13.21 | sreich | by most people's definition, it's a "thumbdrive". internal is a harddisk inside your computer...and external is a hardisk outside of your computer |
| 17:13.34 | sreich | the latter being usb |
| 17:13.39 | sreich | (well, typically) |
| 17:13.40 | Draglor | Well, maybe |
| 17:13.45 | Scunizi | or sata |
| 17:13.57 | Draglor | but external for me is anything external (HD or thumbdrive) |
| 17:14.11 | sreich | you should update your definition then ;) |
| 17:14.21 | Draglor | no |
| 17:14.27 | Draglor | But thanks for trying to help me .... |
| 17:14.28 | Scunizi | except when you're asked in one line if it's a thumb drive or external then YOU should assume there is a difference |
| 17:16.43 | Scunizi | sreich: looks like kfontview is already installed but I can't find it in the menu structure.. it loads via termainl though. Where should it be located in the menu's? |
| 17:16.53 | sreich | no idea |
| 17:16.57 | sreich | I don't really use menus |
| 17:17.08 | Draglor | Scunizi: I haven't thought you were helpfull, so I concentrated on sreich, as his questions made sense to me. I just didn't read your question right. |
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| 17:18.47 | Scunizi | Draglor: no problem.. now you have some insight as to where we were coming from.. there have been issues with mismounting usb thumbdrives back to 2007 and probably before.. I saw several bugs on it.. and seen people with the mounting issue on #ubuntu.. good luck |
| 17:19.48 | Draglor | I just mount it manually Scunizi .... it works for me, but it's annoying for others (like my brother and my mom) .... |
| 17:21.54 | Scunizi | Draglor: you could put a line in ~/.bash_aliases that would allow you to unmount the kde automount and remount it the way you want with one simple command.. whatever alias you want to give the command to mount .. something like usbmount or whatever. |
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| 17:23.38 | Draglor | You don't read me |
| 17:24.18 | Draglor | KDE does not mount it automatically if I don't want it. I just mount it manually (not using aliases). |
| 17:24.35 | Scunizi | you want to manually mount it.. to make that process easier for everyone you can use .bash_aliases |
| 17:24.35 | Draglor | But not anyone wants to use a console. |
| 17:24.48 | Draglor | not for everyone |
| 17:24.49 | Scunizi | create a menu shortcut |
| 17:24.57 | Scunizi | a desktop launcher |
| 17:25.02 | Draglor | what does my alases help others? |
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| 17:26.48 | Scunizi | if you create an alias for the mount command and then create a launcher with an icon on a task bar or in the menu someplace.. whenever someone puts in a usb thumbdrive/key they click the icon and VIOLA... it's mounted |
| 17:26.55 | Scunizi | except for entering a password because you have to use sudo in the command |
| 17:27.01 | Draglor | alias is local ... |
| 17:27.09 | Draglor | not working on other boxes |
| 17:27.11 | Scunizi | and can also be system wide |
| 17:27.20 | Draglor | yes thats local |
| 17:27.22 | Scunizi | you have that issue on other boxes as well? |
| 17:27.32 | Draglor | yes, on any box |
| 17:27.46 | Draglor | tried 4 so far |
| 17:28.14 | Scunizi | just out of curiosity.... do you have a different brand/make of thumbdrive to try? Just thinking that maybe it's *that* particular thumbdrive |
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| 17:28.44 | Draglor | I tried my 2 drives ... it works on my hd (but it has ext fs) |
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| 17:28.56 | Scunizi | that wasn't a good test.. |
| 17:29.10 | Draglor | give me another drive and I'll test it too |
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| 17:29.21 | Scunizi | gotta do apples to apples .. thumbdrive to thumbdrive |
| 17:29.32 | Draglor | I tried 2 thumbdrives |
| 17:29.40 | Draglor | afterwards I tried my HD |
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| 17:29.59 | Scunizi | have you asked in ##linux? |
| 17:30.20 | Draglor | It works on HD and on both drives (if ext formatted) it works not an vfat formatted drives (don't wanna format my HD as there are lot of data) |
| 17:30.40 | Draglor | it works in linux (if I mount it manually) |
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| 17:30.48 | Draglor | so asking there is useless |
| 17:30.54 | Scunizi | so that test shows ext works and vfat doesn't unless manually mounted |
| 17:31.16 | Draglor | as I said in my beginning statement, yes |
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| 17:31.22 | ahmos | hi, is there any graphical program that can show me copmuters connected to my network?! |
| 17:31.30 | rindolf | ahmos: Konqueror. |
| 17:31.36 | rindolf | ahmos: try typing smb:// |
| 17:31.42 | rindolf | "smb://" |
| 17:31.45 | Scunizi | ahmos: lancloud |
| 17:31.46 | Draglor | this aren't all pcs |
| 17:32.04 | Draglor | nmap should show you all computers ahmos |
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| 17:32.35 | Torch | notes he was explicitly asking for GUI based software though |
| 17:32.44 | ahmos | thank you all very much , ithink i'm going to try nmap and lancloud |
| 17:32.47 | Draglor | nmap -sX $your_broadcast address |
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| 17:33.22 | Draglor | maybe something other than -sX (it's a hidden scan) |
| 17:34.14 | Pistos | KDE 4.4.4 under Gentoo. I only see XRender under my Desktop Effects, not OpenGL. As such, my effects are rather slow and CPU intensive. What is or could be preventing OpenGL from showing up in as a compositor? |
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| 17:34.34 | Scunizi | ahmos: I don't see lancloud in the repos for kubuntu anymore.. might be a slightly different name.. |
| 17:35.03 | ahmos | ok i'm using opensuse by the way |
| 17:35.10 | rindolf | I noticed that with a "different activity per desktop", KDE keeps reassigning different wallpapers/backgrounds to my virtual desktops. It's very annoying. Shouldn't it be fixed? Isn't there a more robust way to preserve that in the settings? |
| 17:36.02 | ahmos | i just wanted a program that when i open it i see computers connected and ip addresses so i can choose computer to connect easily |
| 17:36.46 | Draglor | connect by which protocol? |
| 17:37.18 | Sho_ | ahmos: Click the icon on the left end of Dolphin's path bar and choose "Network" |
| 17:37.22 | Draglor | the best or this (if the other computers support it) would be zeroconf (bonjour/rendevous on apple) |
| 17:37.29 | yogesh | hi |
| 17:37.33 | Draglor | hi |
| 17:37.42 | rindolf | Hi yogesh |
| 17:38.00 | Draglor | well ... thanks for your help, I think I have to figure it out myself ..... |
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| 17:38.44 | yogesh | how to upload gtalk in lines |
| 17:38.48 | ahmos | Sho_ I know that so when i click that icon i cann't see who is connected , i must type his ip address in the bar, |
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| 17:39.41 | yogesh | how to upload gtalk in linex |
| 17:39.44 | rindolf | yogesh: what? |
| 17:39.56 | yogesh | how to upload gtalk in linex |
| 17:40.07 | Sho_ | now suddenly everything is clear! |
| 17:40.12 | Sho_ | it's great how repetition does that |
| 17:40.21 | yogesh | google chat i.e. gtalk |
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| 17:40.36 | rindolf | yogesh: yes, why do you need to upload it? |
| 17:40.53 | rindolf | yogesh: you can talk on GTalk using any Jabber client such as Kopete. |
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| 17:41.02 | yogesh | i want to have video chat with my friends |
| 17:41.18 | yogesh | ok i will try |
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| 17:42.53 | Draglor | kopete doesn't support video on xmpp yet, does it? |
| 17:43.11 | Draglor | try pidgin, yogesh |
| 17:43.58 | Scunizi | sreich: fontmatrix .. actually couldn't remember this program name but one of the best out there. |
| 17:44.04 | njathan | hi folks.... i've been using kmail for some time... but am yet to figure out how to insert bullets while composing! |
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| 17:44.09 | Draglor | or maybe psi |
| 17:44.10 | sreich | Scunizi: k |
| 17:44.14 | njathan | anyon has ideas? |
| 17:44.18 | ahmos | pidgin won't give him video chat with gtalk |
| 17:44.32 | Scunizi | sreich: are you living in cli land? |
| 17:44.45 | Draglor | theres a pidgin plugin for libjingle ahmos |
| 17:44.48 | sreich | Scunizi: what do you mean? |
| 17:44.55 | Draglor | I used it for gtalk formerly |
| 17:44.57 | Scunizi | sreich: no gui.. just cli? |
| 17:44.57 | ahmos | oooops |
| 17:45.15 | sreich | Scunizi: no, I use regular kde |
| 17:45.21 | sreich | well, from trunk. but still |
| 17:45.35 | sreich | krunner & konsole suit my needs well |
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| 17:51.22 | Draglor | it seems I have to do some thing I never thought about in the last 10 years .... :( |
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| 17:59.03 | vadi01 | ok just installed kde from live cd/ however i need the developmental libraries. how can i install these? |
| 17:59.40 | vadi01 | in ubuntu its simple as its just apt-get install build-essential what about in fedora? |
| 17:59.51 | vadi01 | oops |
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| 18:02.32 | troy | vadi01: wrong channel, probably... I think there's a #fedora-kde or similar |
| 18:02.57 | troy | vadi01: sometimes you get lucky and people here know package names and such, but usually you should go straight to the distro |
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| 18:09.38 | Draglor | damn ... so in gnome it works .... |
| 18:10.09 | Draglor | I don't want to switch myself ...... |
| 18:11.01 | Draglor | but as I heard formerly unexperienced ubuntu users should use gnome .. I think I'll advise this to others having this issue |
| 18:11.36 | Draglor | another time, thanks for anyone trying to help, I now got a solution for this |
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| 18:13.33 | troy | Draglor: keep in mind that kde applications work fine in gnome :) |
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| 18:14.48 | Draglor | hm? troy? I don't switch as I just said, but if anyone uses gnome I'd tell him rather using gtk apps than qt/kde ones ;) |
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| 18:15.28 | Draglor | I won't really be using kopete if I would not use kde myself e.g. (I'd prefer pidgin, but it has bad kde integratioen) |
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| 18:21.47 | Draglor | This is really weird .. asking in #kde or #ubuntu+1 don't help, but asking in a webchat gives me a working solution ... |
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| 18:29.59 | BlueSilver39 | is it wrong i still like kde 3.5.x better? :( |
| 18:30.32 | sreich | what don't you like about kde 4.4? |
| 18:31.13 | BlueSilver39 | well 4 has always just been much slower for me |
| 18:31.34 | sreich | you last tried? |
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| 18:32.13 | BlueSilver39 | 4.2 maybe |
| 18:33.18 | sreich | I recommend at least trying 4.5 (when it comes out in august-ish) on a livecd |
| 18:33.31 | Draglor | I recommend not trying it ;) |
| 18:33.36 | sreich | a lot has changed since then.. |
| 18:33.46 | sreich | Draglor: ... |
| 18:33.49 | BlueSilver39 | ? |
| 18:33.53 | Draglor | It just made me trying gnome again |
| 18:33.57 | Draglor | yes? |
| 18:34.30 | Draglor | I used KDE since 1996 .. now kde 4.5 rc1 is the first one to let me try gnome again |
| 18:34.32 | BlueSilver39 | i dont like gnome too much |
| 18:34.39 | BlueSilver39 | what are they doing with it ? |
| 18:34.40 | Draglor | Me too ... |
| 18:34.45 | sreich | Draglor: congratulations.. |
| 18:34.46 | BlueSilver39 | i liked kde 3.5 quite a bit |
| 18:34.55 | BlueSilver39 | but the first use of 4 was not good |
| 18:35.22 | sreich | well, 4.2 and prior was still unrefined imho |
| 18:36.06 | Draglor | thanks, but it's not, what I want, as I liked kde much more for it's options .. but sometimes you have to think about whats good and bad and decide yourself if you want to keep what you did or try something new |
| 18:36.40 | Scunizi | Is there a gLabels version of a labeling program for kde? |
| 18:37.02 | Draglor | kde 4.5 has many improvements over kde 4.2 ... it's really much better (not only bugfixes, but many usability improvements) BlueSilver39 |
| 18:38.14 | Draglor | if you like kde kde 4.5 would be the best kde ever BlueSilver39 (despite some errors for me) |
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| 18:40.22 | Geri | ahoy |
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| 18:41.01 | Geri | please guys help me, i want to increase the avatar size in kopete. how can i do that ? |
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| 18:53.40 | Draglor | your avatar? |
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| 18:59.37 | troy | Draglor: 4.5 isn't released yet - reported your bugs? |
| 18:59.47 | troy | waves hello from Akademy :) |
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| 19:03.42 | Scunizi | How do I create a new Address Book in Kontact that *isn't* auto populated.. I want it blank so I can import from a CSV file. |
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| 19:06.27 | Draglor | no troy |
| 19:06.50 | Draglor | I tried reporting bugs formerly ..... it's useless as I believe |
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| 19:09.06 | troy | Draglor: not useless - just sometimes slow |
| 19:09.35 | troy | Draglor: I follow a lot of bugs - we just have a limited man-power issue :) |
| 19:10.12 | Geri | Draglor: no, my contacts |
| 19:10.32 | troy | Geri: you want the picture to be larger in the contact list, right? |
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| 19:12.09 | Geri | troy: yup |
| 19:12.29 | troy | Geri: one second |
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| 19:15.34 | Draglor | maybe troy .. but useless for me. The last kde bug I reported here was in bt 3 month later ... useless for me, even it has not been resolved |
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| 19:17.35 | troy | Draglor: useful for us because we need to keep track of things |
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| 19:19.19 | Draglor | troy: I heard this some time before ... but the person who told it has been the reaon for me to not tell bugs anymore ;) |
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| 19:20.06 | Draglor | as he said this time .. I am just stupid as noticing this kind of bug only for myself |
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| 19:21.07 | troy | Draglor: well, depending on what the bug is, it could be important - for example - audio notifications (warning dialogs, etc.) had been broken for the last three releases and no one noticed/reported it for over a year (mostly because sounds are usually disabled by default) |
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| 19:30.26 | tuxick | is kmails addressbook supposed to be totally broken? |
| 19:30.43 | tuxick | how on earth am i supposed to mail to a group with this thing? |
| 19:33.03 | Scunizi | tuxick: in the address book click File>New>Group and create the group.. then add members |
| 19:33.26 | tuxick | yes did that |
| 19:33.46 | Scunizi | At least I think that's how it works.. then when you create an email address it to the "group" |
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| 19:33.59 | tuxick | ? |
| 19:34.03 | tuxick | can't parse that |
| 19:34.24 | Scunizi | The group will show up in your contacts like a contact.. |
| 19:34.27 | tuxick | oh it hangs now |
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| 19:34.56 | Draglor | have just not been in here troy .. but I won't report this depending on my experience |
| 19:35.32 | tuxick | pff, this thin is broken, really is |
| 19:35.38 | Phlogi | I'm trying to merge my disconnected IMAP to new kmail from 4.5, but it fails there saying the server does not support NEWUID thing |
| 19:35.55 | Phlogi | it then does import the mails but in the end just waits :S |
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| 19:38.42 | tuxick | 40 minutes to try and mail a group of people |
| 19:38.44 | tuxick | amazing |
| 19:39.48 | tuxick | must be that akonadi joke |
| 19:39.52 | tuxick | or what was the name |
| 19:40.31 | Phlogi | hmm akonadi really scares me right now |
| 19:40.48 | tuxick | whatever happened, address book is totally useless now |
| 19:40.57 | Phlogi | hehe |
| 19:41.13 | Phlogi | why does kmail not work at all if one email accoutn can't be migrated... |
| 19:41.22 | Phlogi | how could I skip that? remove from kmail config manually? |
| 19:41.23 | oneforall | I never used it anyway , so no loss :) |
| 19:41.34 | Phlogi | in the end it says migration completed |
| 19:42.20 | Phlogi | then i start kmail again and the same migrator shows up again ;S |
| 19:42.36 | Phlogi | and I'm interrupted with dialogs for pw's all the time from the working accounts |
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| 19:43.09 | thiago_home | are you guys using KMail 2.0? |
| 19:43.23 | tuxick | 1.13.2 |
| 19:43.26 | tuxick | aka "broken" |
| 19:43.32 | thiago_home | then KMail doesn't use Akonadi for email |
| 19:43.38 | tuxick | ohj ok |
| 19:43.44 | tuxick | it breaks by itself then |
| 19:43.44 | Phlogi | hi thiago_home |
| 19:44.02 | Phlogi | thiago_home: yes I'm using latest from branch 4.5 |
| 19:44.20 | Phlogi | using akonadi-server 1.3.90 |
| 19:44.50 | thiago_home | then you're a guinea pig |
| 19:44.54 | thiago_home | the software is in alpha state |
| 19:45.28 | thiago_home | s/guinea pig/alpha tester/ |
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| 19:46.14 | Phlogi | thiago_home: its rc1 isn't it? thats even not beta state any longer ?!? or is just my akonadi server too new? |
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| 19:48.34 | Draglor | it is Phlogi ... thiago_home has just a beta brain ;) |
| 19:48.41 | Shaan7 | thiago_home: I remember one a friend saying that KDE is the guinea pig for Qt :P |
| 19:48.50 | Phlogi | hehe |
| 19:48.54 | Phlogi | I'm confused now |
| 19:49.13 | Phlogi | maybe I should try akonadi from trunk? it seems that kmail crashes but i'm not sure yet |
| 19:49.29 | Shaan7 | my kmail says "starting akonadi server" forever .. |
| 19:49.40 | thiago_home | Phlogi: akonadi is fine |
| 19:49.42 | Phlogi | my aknoadi runs |
| 19:49.43 | Shaan7 | though akonadictl status says its running |
| 19:49.44 | thiago_home | Phlogi: kmail2 is alpha |
| 19:49.53 | Phlogi | but not the imap agent, that one seems to have problems |
| 19:49.57 | thiago_home | Shaan7: oh, yeah, it's one big test case :-) |
| 19:50.02 | Phlogi | thiago_home: why is alpha software in a rc branch?! |
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| 19:50.18 | thiago_home | Phlogi: it shouldn't be. Ignore kdepim. |
| 19:50.29 | Phlogi | can I use kmail from 4.5 somehow then? I mean upgrading? |
| 19:50.33 | sputnick | hi there |
| 19:50.41 | Phlogi | how are they/you release pim then? |
| 19:50.42 | thiago_home | use kmail from kdepim 4.4 |
| 19:50.48 | thiago_home | that one is not alpha |
| 19:50.59 | Phlogi | hmm I already did the migration now |
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| 19:51.11 | thiago_home | your old config is still there |
| 19:51.18 | Draglor | akonadi works for me perfect (kde 4.5 rc1) |
| 19:51.19 | Phlogi | yesok |
| 19:51.25 | Phlogi | Draglor: with kmail? |
| 19:51.26 | thiago_home | if you didn't delete your imap caches, nothing happened to kmail 1 |
| 19:51.31 | Phlogi | kjots did work perfectly as well |
| 19:51.33 | Draglor | yes Phlogi |
| 19:51.43 | Phlogi | Draglor: using branches? |
| 19:51.47 | Draglor | kmail /kadressbook |
| 19:51.49 | Phlogi | I'll try disabling tha imap account |
| 19:51.55 | thiago_home | Draglor: it doesn't for me. It requires an IMAP 12-year-old extension that has been removed from the latest Exchange servers. |
| 19:51.56 | Misterio | stupid question: How can I see which version of KDE I am running? |
| 19:52.05 | Draglor | using kubuntu ppa |
| 19:52.06 | Phlogi | 1.3.90 version of akonadi is fine? |
| 19:52.08 | thiago_home | Misterio: Help, About KDE |
| 19:52.14 | thiago_home | Misterio: in any KDE app |
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| 19:52.33 | Draglor | Misterio: open a kde app and look into help (F2) .. theres app version and kde version |
| 19:52.39 | Phlogi | thiago_home: yes, thats the thing complaining here too... but I don't need that imap account |
| 19:52.57 | Draglor | thiago_home: Exchange is another thing |
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| 19:53.10 | Misterio | thiago_home, Draglor: Thanks, I am really newby into KDE :P |
| 19:53.15 | Draglor | it is not a "real" email protocol |
| 19:53.22 | Misterio | I recently swiched from gnome |
| 19:53.47 | sputnick | anyone knows why, when I type "xterm" in krunner, it doesn't run xterm in my special ~/bin/xterm $PATH ? When I test my path in zenity, all is ok. "zenity --info --text "$(type -p xterm)"" output is "/home/sputnick/bin/xterm" |
| 19:54.17 | thiago_home | sputnick: are you sure $PATH is set properly for krunner? |
| 19:54.18 | sputnick | I have to type the full path |
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| 19:54.39 | Draglor | I'm just about to switch back to gnome after several years Misterio ;) |
| 19:54.41 | Phlogi | seems that 4.5 starts faster which is nice |
| 19:54.44 | sputnick | thiago_home: what do you mean by "properly for krunner" ? |
| 19:55.01 | Draglor | sputnick: whas does "which xterm" give? |
| 19:55.12 | thiago_home | sputnick: are you sure that $PATH has $HOME/bin before the other path, in the environment krunner was started in? |
| 19:55.25 | sputnick | Draglor: /home/sputnick/bin/xterm like type -p |
| 19:56.01 | Draglor | which shell, sputnik? |
| 19:56.17 | thiago_home | sputnick: if you don't know, then try this: |
| 19:56.18 | Phlogi | however akonadi monster takes ages to start up and uses almost all ram :D |
| 19:56.25 | sputnick | absolutly sure, confirmed by "zenity --info --text "$(echo $PATH)"" |
| 19:56.29 | thiago_home | sputnick: quit krunner, open a shell, ensure $PATH is correct, then start krunner from there |
| 19:56.34 | sputnick | this is the first place to look up |
| 19:56.42 | sputnick | thiago_home: see abobe |
| 19:56.43 | thiago_home | Phlogi: almost all? It uses almost no RAM here. |
| 19:56.46 | sputnick | *above* |
| 19:56.51 | Draglor | he does not want to run krunner thiago_home |
| 19:57.03 | Draglor | he wants to run xterm in krunner |
| 19:57.08 | thiago_home | then I can't help |
| 19:57.20 | Phlogi | thiago_home: 25%, ok thats not all but more than chromium and plasma together... maybe it was just while migrating |
| 19:57.23 | Draglor | which is your default shell sputnick? |
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| 19:57.35 | Draglor | or your distro? |
| 19:57.36 | thiago_home | Phlogi: that might be the case |
| 19:57.37 | sputnick | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.43 | sputnick | Draglor: archlinux |
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| 19:57.53 | Phlogi | addressbook and kjots is fine |
| 19:57.54 | thiago_home | Phlogi: akonadi is small enough that it fits into an N900 (which has 256 MB of RAM) |
| 19:57.57 | Phlogi | now lets fix that kmail :) |
| 19:57.59 | Draglor | sure about bash? You can change this in arch |
| 19:58.03 | Phlogi | thiago_home: you're right :) |
| 19:58.13 | Phlogi | thiago_home: are they using mysqld there as well? |
| 19:58.22 | thiago_home | for the moment, yes |
| 19:58.30 | thiago_home | they plan on switching to the sqlite backend later |
| 19:58.30 | Phlogi | got kmail running!!! |
| 19:58.38 | sputnick | Draglor: I do many bash scripts, so yes, 100% sure I'm running bash and my PATH is set correctly |
| 19:59.00 | Phlogi | GOAL!! |
| 19:59.02 | Phlogi | spain |
| 19:59.25 | arkascha | argh ! |
| 19:59.37 | sputnick | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.44 | arkascha | what else ?!? |
| 20:00.37 | sputnick | brb |
| 20:01.08 | Phlogi | :) |
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| 20:01.13 | Draglor | bash scripts does not mean you are using bash Sputnick (shebang does) |
| 20:01.57 | Phlogi | hmm now kmail complains: you do not have read/write permission to your inbox folder |
| 20:02.10 | thiago_home | Phlogi: please ask in #kontact |
| 20:02.21 | thiago_home | after the match... most of the devs are German |
| 20:02.30 | thiago_home | they're not reading IRC right now |
| 20:03.10 | thiago_home | or tomorrow, since they'll either go to bars to celebrate or to drown their sorrows afterwards |
| 20:03.16 | thiago_home | and it's 23.00 in Finland right now |
| 20:03.53 | Draglor | what does "file ~/bin/xterm" give you Sputnick? |
| 20:04.05 | Phlogi | thiago_home: celebrate what? :D lol |
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| 20:04.25 | thiago_home | the match is not over yet |
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| 20:08.56 | sputnick | re |
| 20:09.15 | sputnick | kde PATH need to be set in ~/.kde4/env/foo |
| 20:09.42 | sputnick | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/KDE/2009-05/msg00086.html |
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| 20:10.22 | sputnick | so I wrote this : http://pastie.org/1034891 |
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| 20:11.31 | Phlogi | thiago_home: is kmail from trunk in a more usable state? |
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| 20:12.17 | thiago_home | Phlogi: it's the same alpha state |
| 20:12.18 | sputnick | I mean http://pastie.org/1034897 |
| 20:12.24 | thiago_home | it shouldn't have been branched |
| 20:12.27 | Phlogi | ok, it says beta thiago_home :p |
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| 20:15.27 | cptG | yuck... you gotta be kidding me... i had an external display attached yesterday and was working with extended desktop an app that was on the external display now is (with single display) off-screen - do i really have to plug in the other display now? |
| 20:16.02 | cptG | there's got to be a way to get that window back on screen without, right? |
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| 20:16.15 | thiago_home | does your desktop still extend towards the non-existing monitor? |
| 20:16.19 | cptG | nope |
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| 20:16.49 | cptG | but it seems the coordinates were remembered - x>1920 |
| 20:17.08 | thiago_home | you can right-click its taskbar entry and select Move |
| 20:17.10 | thiago_home | then move it back |
| 20:18.02 | cptG | that's one thing i really dislike about kde, it doesn't seem to handle mulit-display-setups that change right... |
| 20:18.10 | cptG | well, now my mouse pointer is gone :P |
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| 20:19.17 | thiago_home | move with the keyboard or mouse |
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| 20:19.31 | cptG | hm... something's really messed up now, krunner doesn't appear on my screen anymore... |
| 20:19.43 | thiago_home | because your mouse is off screen |
| 20:19.58 | thiago_home | are you so sure your desktop doesn't extend to the other screen? |
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| 20:20.11 | cptG | yes |
| 20:20.22 | thiago_home | but your mouse is on that screen... |
| 20:20.32 | cptG | it seems like it is |
| 20:20.46 | cptG | but can't move off its bounds |
| 20:21.27 | thiago_home | what video card do you have? |
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| 20:21.48 | cptG | ok... just to be clear: i've been working with my laptop for hours and was not once able to move my pointer off-screen - where the other display would've been if it was attached - so i'm quite sure my screen is not extenden |
| 20:21.53 | cptG | it's an nvidia |
| 20:21.55 | cptG | nouveau driver |
| 20:22.37 | thiago_home | I don't know then |
| 20:22.57 | thiago_home | with nvidia's proprietary driver, unless you tell it to rescan the connected displays, it won't notice |
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| 20:23.16 | cptG | i'm about to create another master pointer device with xinput atm ;) |
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| 20:24.56 | cptG | well, got my pointer back with xinput ;) |
| 20:25.39 | cptG | aaaand it's gone again... i'm just gonna give in and attach the external display... |
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| 20:27.16 | cptG | thiago_home: one last question while we're at it - is KDE supposed to remember the display setup? i.e. once i reboot and reconnect the external display later i always have to tell him that the external one is supposed to be "left of" the other one... is that just not implemented or a bug? |
| 20:27.33 | thiago_home | not a KDE issue |
| 20:27.47 | thiago_home | that's saved in my NVidia driver config |
| 20:28.06 | cptG | and an intel issue, it seems? |
| 20:28.23 | cptG | there would only be ati left, then :P |
| 20:28.25 | thiago_home | well, saved on xorg.conf |
| 20:29.03 | cptG | that sucks. |
| 20:29.27 | cptG | whom should i bug about this, then? |
| 20:29.36 | cptG | the Xorg guys? |
| 20:30.22 | thiago_home | or the driver guys |
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| 20:51.03 | tntc | I'm running KDE, and my eject key doesn't work. When running gnome, I get a little Eject symbol and my DVD spits out, but in KDE, I get nothing. xev shows XF86Eject being fired off when I hit the key. Where do I set the shortcut for eject? |
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| 20:52.12 | Phlogi | is there a way to re-migrate kjots stuff? my books are not displayed with 4.5 but are there when I use the 4.4 version |
| 20:52.17 | buckethead | tntc: What KDE SC version? |
| 20:52.37 | Phlogi | 4.5 |
| 20:52.52 | Phlogi | never mind I'll downgrade pim to 4.4 again... |
| 20:53.01 | buckethead | Sorry Phlogi, I've no idea on kjots. |
| 20:53.13 | tntc | KDE 4.4.4 |
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| 20:53.48 | Geri | troy: ? :-) |
| 20:54.32 | tntc | buckethead: KDE 4.4.4 on Gentoo, though I had the same problem in Kubuntu. |
| 20:54.45 | buckethead | tntc: On 4.5RC, in System Settings, Common Appearance, There is a "Shortcuts and Gestures". Not sure where it is in 4.4.4, Look for a representation of six keys in two rows of three. |
| 20:54.46 | whoever | hi all , trying to overburn with k3b and when i clik start i get 'please insert dvd-dl' and i have overburning checked in advances settings and a blank dvd5 in the drige can some one help ? |
| 20:56.01 | tntc | buckethead: I've got "Standard Keyboard Shortcuts" and "Global Keyboard Shortcuts" |
| 20:57.23 | tntc | oh, and "Input Actions" |
| 20:59.32 | tntc | oh, ok, got it working under Input Actions |
| 20:59.47 | tntc | is there a KDE Eject that'll like, pop up an eject indicator on the screen? |
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| 21:01.52 | KWhat_Work | ok so why woundnt KDE be able to talk to cups? only thing in my cups error logs are [Job ???] Request file type is application/pdf. (for anything i print from kde) |
| 21:01.52 | buckethead | tntc: Sorry, Was googling. Are you thinking in device notifier? |
| 21:03.01 | tntc | buckethead: I'm not sure, really. My impression was there was something called kdeeject or something that would flash a little eject symbol in the middle of the screen, similar to the volume / mute indicators |
| 21:03.51 | buckethead | Ah. Not sure. I'm on a netbook. Sorry I couldn't be more help. |
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| 21:04.11 | tntc | buckethead: oh! no problem. Thanks for helping anyhow :) |
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| 21:17.28 | TheWoozle | Why is it that when I create a link to a file, I can't edit the file in Kate (by right-clicking in Konqueror)? |
| 21:18.35 | TheWoozle | ...via sftp, I should have said. |
| 21:18.57 | TheWoozle | (And secondarily, why is it that when you force Konqueror to use Kate for any file type it doesn't recognize, Konq renames the file before loading Kate so that you can't save the file back to where it belongs? (Also via sftp) |
| 21:19.08 | TheWoozle | ...because these things used to work in KDE3. |
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| 21:24.36 | TheWoozle | ...or, at least, editing unknown filetypes used to work fine. |
| 21:24.57 | TheWoozle | I don't know about the editing-a-link thing because I never tried it until editing the file itself stopped working. |
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| 21:25.46 | TheWoozle | (It does the same for OpenOffice, too. I haven't tried WINE Notepad...) |
| 21:27.46 | TheWoozle | Seems to be a problem with KIOExec, which says it can't read [name of link]. |
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| 21:34.07 | mikc | Hi, I'm using KDE 4.4.90 (RC1). Okular hogs one of my CPUs when reading this pdf, and does not stop after I close the window. Shall I report a bug? http://www.ac-nancy-metz.fr/enseign/physique/phys/bts-main/cours_5.pdf |
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| 21:37.21 | pinotree | mikc: the file cannot be downloaded, apparently |
| 21:38.25 | sopho | i cannot download it, too |
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| 21:43.06 | ahiemstra | mikc: either that, or fix the pdf |
| 21:43.22 | ahiemstra | (it does the same thing here) |
| 21:44.33 | pinotree | mikc: also, how much did you wait for okular to show your document? |
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| 22:13.10 | pmo | i have kde4.4 and alt-gr does curious things (shows up D) and then pipe and plenty of other similar things |
| 22:15.05 | thiago_home | not a KDE issue |
| 22:15.23 | thiago_home | what keyboard layout did you choose? That is something KDE can help you with. |
| 22:15.34 | pmo | french layout |
| 22:15.45 | pmo | but i should try with an other desktop |
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| 22:16.04 | pmo | so far issues is alt-gr related or similar things.. |
| 22:16.44 | pmo | yep i should try with other desktop first.. sorry for annoyance |
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| 22:17.16 | pmo | is there anythink like xkeycaps on kde4 ? |
| 22:17.32 | thiago_home | what does xkeycaps do? |
| 22:17.38 | thiago_home | and why can't you use xkeycaps? |
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| 22:18.34 | pmo | xkeycaps is something to work with xmodmap.. change keystroke setup .. but is an old tool (looking old) like xev, i just wondered if there was something new |
| 22:19.37 | thiago_home | not that I know of |
| 22:19.50 | pmo | thiago_home, thanks ;-) |
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| 22:27.12 | mikc | ahiemstra: pinotree : sorry, AFK. I waited for a few seconds, the first page was ok, but the others were white. Maybe the PDF is bad, but IMHO the reader should not waste battery power even after having its window closed |
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| 22:28.10 | pinotree | mikc: most probably there is a page which is extremely complicated to render, so it can take even a lot of time |
| 22:28.29 | mikc | ahiemstra: pinotree : sopho : Cant you download it? weird... it works here... |
| 22:28.40 | ahiemstra | mikc: i could |
| 22:28.45 | mikc | pinotree: ill retry and wait |
| 22:29.14 | pinotree | again, how much did you wait for one of those pages to be shown? |
| 22:29.19 | pinotree | 30s? 1m? |
| 22:29.26 | mikc | ok, one CPU at 100%... |
| 22:29.41 | mikc | Do you have the same behaviour? |
| 22:30.28 | mikc | arhh, I should try with the infamous stuff from the infamous adobe |
| 22:30.55 | mikc | but 120 MB just to render PDFs is too big for my little inet line |
| 22:31.30 | mikc | top says : |
| 22:31.34 | mikc | 21358 mick 20 0 451m 51m 24m S 105 1.3 2:30.99 okular |
| 22:31.59 | thiago_home | 51 MB looks fine |
| 22:33.27 | mikc | oh, now I can see the second page |
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| 22:33.52 | mikc | 5:06.27 okular |
| 22:34.11 | ahiemstra | well, that means its just slow to render then |
| 22:34.34 | pinotree | so it is like i said, apparently complex graphics which takes long to render |
| 22:34.38 | mikc | its still blurry... (unreadable) |
| 22:35.21 | pinotree | because it rendered the thumbnail, which is used for the main view temporarly until the rendering for the main view is done |
| 22:35.29 | mikc | What is weird is thaht the other courses are ok. Just this one |
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| 22:37.18 | mikc | wow, the fan spins just like when I compile stuff! |
| 22:37.29 | guest2 | how do I fix the win95 look my Qt apps have? |
| 22:37.40 | mikc | 8:53.95 okular , and no progress |
| 22:37.43 | thiago_home | guest2: select Oxygen in systemsettings |
| 22:37.49 | guest2 | ty |
| 22:37.53 | mikc | it just rendered all the file |
| 22:38.04 | mikc | and CPU is at 1% |
| 22:38.07 | KWhat_Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.45 | guest2 | thiago_home: strangely.. it's already set. The current Qt apps look fine, but freshly compiled with Qt Creator == fugly win95 look |
| 22:38.56 | guest2 | Is it because I installed Qt Creator when running GNOME? |
| 22:39.08 | guest2 | er, Qt SDK* |
| 22:39.12 | mikc | Is it possible to save the rendering ;-) ? |
| 22:39.22 | pinotree | nope, it isn't |
| 22:40.22 | pinotree | mikc: anyway, if you want to report your problem, report it to https://bugs.freedesktop.org, "poppler" product and "general" component (remember to specify the version of your poppler library, and to attach a document) |
| 22:40.52 | pinotree | not an okular issue |
| 22:41.21 | thiago_home | guest2: what is the other Qt version? |
| 22:42.26 | mikc | pinotree: OK. I'll test with acroread, even if I cant accept the licence agreement |
| 22:42.35 | pinotree | no need to |
| 22:42.39 | guest2 | thiago_home: I installed qt sdk 4.6.3 and am running kde sc 4.4 |
| 22:43.02 | thiago_home | guest2: note you didn't answer my question... |
| 22:43.24 | guest2 | i'm too stupid/lazy to answer it :( |
| 22:43.39 | thiago_home | if you're lazy, you don't get my help |
| 22:43.47 | thiago_home | if you don't know how to answer, just say so and I'll help you answer. |
| 22:44.29 | guest2 | ok, how do I find out the other Qt version? |
| 22:44.50 | thiago_home | kde4-config --version |
| 22:44.53 | guest2 | ty |
| 22:45.14 | guest2 | ah, 4.6.2 |
| 22:45.16 | guest2 | is that an issue? |
| 22:45.37 | thiago_home | no, that shouldn't be the issue |
| 22:45.43 | guest2 | ic |
| 22:46.23 | thiago_home | a plugin compiled against an older version of Qt should always load against a new one |
| 22:46.30 | thiago_home | can you run /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4 ? |
| 22:47.06 | guest2 | permission denied |
| 22:47.19 | thiago_home | chmod +x first |
| 22:47.20 | thiago_home | then run it |
| 22:47.32 | thiago_home | doesn't know why distros -x it |
| 22:47.44 | guest2 | it works |
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| 22:48.05 | thiago_home | what is the build key? |
| 22:48.19 | guest2 | x86_64 linux g++-4 full-config |
| 22:48.32 | guest2 | is there a way to force the style from command-line? |
| 22:48.34 | thiago_home | do the same with the Qt that is in your SDK installation's qt/lib |
| 22:48.41 | thiago_home | yes, -style oxygen |
| 22:48.49 | thiago_home | but my guess is that the oxygen plugin couldn't be loaded |
| 22:48.59 | guest2 | yeah, that doesn't work :-( |
| 22:49.31 | guest2 | so at least it's not an environment-agnostic issue |
| 22:49.40 | thiago_home | no, it's a plugin issue |
| 22:50.02 | guest2 | do you know which plugin? maybe I can reinstall |
| 22:50.06 | thiago_home | oxygen.so |
| 22:50.19 | thiago_home | and it clearly works |
| 22:50.23 | thiago_home | what's the SDK's build key? |
| 22:51.59 | guest2 | how do I find that out? |
| 22:52.08 | guest2 | it's 64-bit qtsdk-2010.04 installed.. |
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| 22:52.26 | thiago_home | do the same thing you've just done to your system's QtCore |
| 22:52.49 | guest2 | against which file? |
| 22:52.55 | thiago_home | the SDK's QtCore |
| 22:52.56 | mikc | pinotree: Reported as https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28954 |
| 22:53.01 | guest2 | ok |
| 22:53.09 | thiago_home | the one in qt/lib, not the one in lib |
| 22:53.13 | mikc | pinotree: Thanks for the directions |
| 22:53.37 | guest2 | 2010-06-02 |
| 22:53.56 | thiago_home | guest2: build key, not build date |
| 22:54.10 | guest2 | oh, sorry.. x86_64 linux g++-4 full-config |
| 22:54.22 | thiago_home | ok, same key |
| 22:54.37 | thiago_home | one last try: set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the path you found that QtCore |
| 22:54.42 | thiago_home | i.e., the qt/lib dir |
| 22:54.46 | thiago_home | then try running your app |
| 22:55.32 | guest2 | doesn't help :S |
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| 22:57.41 | guest2 | hrm, style works when I set widget style to gtk+ |
| 22:57.52 | thiago_home | that's a Qt built-in style |
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| 22:58.06 | thiago_home | but the KDE-provided Oxygen one isn't loading |
| 22:58.09 | guest2 | ic |
| 22:58.17 | thiago_home | where is oxygen.so? |
| 22:58.41 | guest2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.55 | thiago_home | set QT_PLUGIN_PATH to /usr/lib/kde4/plugins |
| 23:00.15 | guest2 | still no worky.. :( |
| 23:00.25 | thiago_home | I'm running out of ideas |
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| 23:01.48 | thiago_home | try setting QT_DEBUG_PLUGINS to 1 |
| 23:02.16 | guest2 | hrm, no output |
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| 23:03.50 | thiago_home | that requires a debug mode build of Qt |
| 23:03.51 | guest2 | weird, echo $QT_DEBUG_PLUGINS returns no value after setting it.. |
| 23:04.24 | guest2 | maybe kde doesn't like it being set? |
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| 23:05.12 | thiago_home | that question doesn't make sense |
| 23:05.21 | guest2 | hrm, i can't set any now |
| 23:05.55 | thiago_home | you can't set any what? |
| 23:06.25 | guest2 | variables |
| 23:06.57 | thiago_home | just do it properly |
| 23:07.57 | thiago_home | export QT_DEBUG_PLUGINS=1 |
| 23:08.00 | thiago_home | then run your app |
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| 23:08.03 | thiago_home | pastebin the result |
| 23:09.23 | guest2 | http://pastebin.com/frWAzhGG |
| 23:10.08 | thiago_home | was that all? |
| 23:10.13 | guest2 | yes |
| 23:10.33 | guest2 | so, something screwy is happening within qt? |
| 23:11.02 | guest2 | i guess i'll try reinstalling qt sdk from kde, then next try in a fresh kubuntu vm |
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| 23:12.04 | thiago_home | according to that output, oxygen.so can be loaded |
| 23:12.17 | thiago_home | try running qtconfig from the SDK |
| 23:14.26 | guest2 | fugly win95 look.. |
| 23:14.37 | guest2 | with oxygen selected |
| 23:14.42 | guest2 | no errors.. |
| 23:15.05 | thiago_home | I don't know what's wrong |
| 23:15.42 | guest2 | yes, I will try in a vm soon.. hope it's just poor packaging by ubuntu maintainers |
| 23:16.02 | thiago_home | I don't think it has anything to do with packaging |
| 23:16.25 | whoever | need some help , i am trying to burn a 4.5gb.iso and in k3b advanced settings i have allow overburning and manual write buffer checked and i and i keep getting prompted for a dual layer disk, can anyone help me ? |
| 23:16.30 | guest2 | it must be something local.. |
| 23:16.35 | guest2 | it's unpossible it's a qt bug! |
| 23:16.52 | thiago_home | guest2: I don't think it's a bug |
| 23:16.57 | guest2 | oh, a feature |
| 23:16.59 | thiago_home | but I don't know what it is either |
| 23:17.27 | thiago_home | you'd have to debug into QPluginLoader and QLibrary to find out why it failed |
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| 23:25.56 | guest2 | thinks sleep is more tempting |
| 23:26.04 | guest2 | ty for the help :-) |
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| 23:45.52 | ducuchu | hola! |
| 23:45.55 | ducuchu | tengo una duda!! |
| 23:46.07 | ducuchu | alguien habla español? |
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| 23:50.37 | Torch | ducuchu: english only. |
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| 23:51.21 | ducuchu | ok.. |
| 23:51.40 | ducuchu | I want to use kile for my thesis. |
| 23:51.57 | ducuchu | but.. I never used this tools.. |
| 23:52.32 | ducuchu | can are you help me? |
| 23:53.29 | ducuchu | :( |
| 23:53.54 | Torch | ducuchu: you should ask specific questions... as a general advice. |
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| 23:55.13 | ducuchu | I want configuration my kile, the marge.. how I do? |
| 23:55.53 | ducuchu | *margins |
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