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| 01:06.30 | vasuvi | I somehow accidentally dragged the thumbbar in DigiKam away from its position in the window, and now it's floating around independently. I have tried alt-dragging it all over, and it never seems to want to reattach to the window. How can I put it back? |
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| 02:05.26 | Rasi | i have a little problem running openbox in kde |
| 02:05.44 | Rasi | if i set it as default wm, plasma acts weird. Startmenu is shown outside of the visible desktop |
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| 02:05.46 | Rasi | but |
| 02:05.56 | Rasi | if i run openbox --replace after kde start, it works |
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| 02:08.18 | Rasi | but even this only works, if kwin was running before |
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| 02:10.05 | TanEk | hey guys |
| 02:10.11 | TanEk | I just connected a tv to my computer |
| 02:10.15 | TanEk | rebooted |
| 02:10.27 | TanEk | and now my polices are really over mega small |
| 02:10.36 | TanEk | someone had this issue before? |
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| 02:39.02 | Rasi | interesting |
| 02:39.11 | Rasi | if i run a pure openbox session kmail wont start |
| 02:39.18 | Rasi | just quits with an akonadi error |
| 02:39.20 | Rasi | fun |
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| 04:06.17 | hagebake | is there a way to programmatically find the size of maximized windows? preferably a cross-desktop way |
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| 04:20.25 | thiago | hagebake: create a window, maximise it, get the size |
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| 07:12.29 | johnny69 | Hi folks, I'm writing this here since I USE kde and this problem began with the last round of updates bringing me to the Kde 4.4.9 - series. Anyways, has anyone noticed Xorg/X using a LARGE amount of memory? Right now I am showing 239meg in use by X and something like only 18 Meg shared. I don't think this is a leak because I see this immediately upon startup. Anyone else seen this? Or, anyone know how to even begin to track down t |
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| 07:13.11 | johnny69 | Note: Also, a general SLOWDOWN by X as well at the same time. |
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| 07:19.42 | padde | johnny69: hmm... did your messages just come from the future? last time I checked, the latest release was 4.4.5. |
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| 07:22.11 | padde | as for the memory consumption of X... I'm having 27MB here, 6.2 shared... maybe it's (display) driver dependent... i'm using radeon here |
| 07:23.26 | padde | is wondering... how much longer until forum.kde.org is back on? |
| 07:24.54 | johnny69 | padde: I don't know how else to answer you other than to ask you to go to any search engine and type kde 4.4.9 and see for yourself. :) |
| 07:25.28 | johnny69 | And your X looks like what I SHOULD be getting. Something is definitely wrong when mine is eating 200+ meg right out of the gate. :( |
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| 07:25.51 | padde | johnny69: hm, in my time (2010-08-06 07:25 UTC), there are no relevant hits on google |
| 07:25.57 | johnny69 | Nvidia 6800 here. |
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| 07:29.36 | johnny69 | padde: In my time, August 6th, 2:30 Am...we have this :) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=kde+4.4.9&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=off |
| 07:30.32 | johnny69 | padde: Are you saying that the driver itself could possibly be causing this? |
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| 07:32.22 | padde | johnny69: yes, the driver could be causing this. |
| 07:33.22 | padde | johnny69: and by 4.4.9, do you mean 4.5RC1? I thought that was called 4.4.90 in numbers |
| 07:33.29 | johnny69 | padde: Well, I have NO idea...so I'll follow your idea. I guess the first step will be to regress the driver back one no# and see what happens. |
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| 07:34.06 | padde | johnny69: yeah, you can try that. or try nouveau, instead of the closed-source nvidia one |
| 07:34.07 | johnny69 | padde: Yeah, I believe it is. Suse repos show it as 4.4.9 and someone else in the forums was saying it was also known as a 4.5 RC. So either or I guess. |
| 07:34.27 | johnny69 | padde: Is that up to speed now? The nouveau ? |
| 07:34.44 | malinka | i'm running nvidia with version 256.35 with 167MiB for X |
| 07:34.50 | padde | johnny69: maybe you see '4.4-9' or something in suse? anyway, I don't think the kde version matters much in this respect |
| 07:34.58 | lpjhjdh | does anyone have kde-gtk4/gtk-qt-engine working with context menus having correct looking corners? |
| 07:35.23 | padde | johnny69: nouveau is quite good at 2D acceleration, IMO. but 3D effects are a bit sluggish |
| 07:35.53 | johnny69 | Well, there is another one claiming high memory use for X under Nvidia. |
| 07:36.05 | johnny69 | malinka: Has it always eaten that much? |
| 07:36.33 | padde | lpjhjdh: i'm using qtcurve, have given up on gtk-qt-engine ;) |
| 07:36.51 | malinka | johnny69: not sure, kde 4.4.4, but i doubt it's related to kde any, unfrotunately it's not enough for me to notice as i have 4G so it's ~4% |
| 07:37.09 | d3x | 2642 root 20 0 224M 78216 12476 S 0.0 2.5 8:48.66 /usr/bin/X :0 vt7 -br -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-1jlbpb |
| 07:37.14 | d3x | (nvidia 195.something) |
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| 07:37.36 | johnny69 | Well, I'm running the same version/driver as Malinka...so it's probably does NOT have anything to with Kde. I probably need to check the Nvidia Forums. |
| 07:37.40 | lpjhjdh | padde: blast, hopefully I can dump chromium for konqueror, will it crash less with webkit in a week when 4.5 comes out? I'm on rc3 and it's highly volatile |
| 07:38.15 | d3x | 394M 265M 9288 (another machine, same driver) |
| 07:38.59 | malinka | why does that not surprise me <.<;;; |
| 07:39.26 | padde | lpjhjdh: no idea. I'm a firefox user (at least until konqueror is a browser again, and until it has something like the Firefox Sync extension, which i'm totally dependent on by now) |
| 07:39.48 | d3x | malinka, i have 11 days uptime on the 394M machine. with sleep/wake cycle everyday. it's not really surprising that nvidia is leaking ;) |
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| 07:40.58 | malinka | d3x: well i started my box a few hours ago, when i had to switch from vga to dvi for my 2 shiny new monitors, so really that's not that terrible of a leak, i used to have firefox take out 2G of ram over a weekend |
| 07:41.56 | johnny69 | We shouldn't have to go through this crap. |
| 07:42.50 | malinka | johnny69: 2 choices if it bothers you, a) go with a different driver, b) go with a different chip maker |
| 07:43.05 | d3x | 3) stop being bothered ;) |
| 07:43.35 | malinka | personally my next system upgrade is going to be AMD/ATI |
| 07:47.25 | johnny69 | I've been faithful to Nvidia for mayn years...but this memory thing isn't the first time I've seen big problems. I'm just about tempted to take the Ati route to be honest. |
| 07:47.35 | johnny69 | ughhh, mayn = many |
| 07:48.44 | malinka | i was faithful to nvidia right up to the point where amd baught ati, then it became wait and see, now i'm just about faithful to ati, they're doing pretty good stuff a lot better then nvidia right now |
| 07:49.13 | d3x | johnny69, the memory taken is easily disposable in your swap. no need to worry about it, even if you have 1GiB system memory |
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| 07:49.54 | padde | amd does many things right in the graphics area (recently), as far as I can tell. never had a smoother linux desktop than with this onboard AMD Radeon HD 4290 |
| 07:50.40 | d3x | padde, how about intel graphics? |
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| 07:52.02 | malinka | i could be biased, but imo amd does many things right, lately they've been seeming to have a harder time outpacing excel in the processor market, but they pushed themselves right to the edge of too thin, which never helps |
| 07:52.15 | malinka | s/excel/intel doh |
| 07:53.03 | padde | d3x: have it in my netbook (Dell Mini 9). it works well, and I think the performance delivered is ok for a netbook. also no trouble with playing videos etc. - but when it comes to KDE desktop effects, it's way slower than this onboard radeon, although there are only ~1/3 the pixels it has to draw |
| 07:53.04 | d3x | awesome typo ;] |
| 07:53.31 | d3x | padde, works flawlessly for me. on core i3 |
| 07:53.43 | malinka | yeah well i was trying to re-word that statement in my head while typing, it doesn't work |
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| 07:56.38 | malinka | wonders how the nvidia settings toy found the size of my monitors |
| 07:57.26 | d3x | malinka, EDID |
| 07:57.28 | padde | it's called EDID info |
| 07:57.59 | padde | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_display_identification_data |
| 07:58.22 | d3x | my tv uses EDID to boost its ego by claiming it's 8" bigger than it really is :P |
| 07:58.28 | malinka | ahh, didn't realize size was in there, guess i should have known, thanks for the link i might have to read it sometime |
| 07:58.36 | padde | d3x: lol |
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| 08:01.11 | d3x | padde, i actually wish the size of tv was adjustable by overwriting EDID info :P |
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| 08:02.25 | padde | yeah, that would be something. moving the pixels further apart a bit ;) wouldn't hurt when you sit further away from it. maybe I should run and register a patent :P |
| 08:02.41 | malinka | lol |
| 08:03.29 | d3x | padde, would be totally awesome when you move, too. you make it shrink to 2" pocket tv, move elsewhere and then make it 60" |
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| 08:03.38 | d3x | best. compression. ever. |
| 08:03.54 | malinka | well it's getting late and i'm getting tired, so i'm going to try and pass out |
| 08:04.10 | d3x | malinka, have fun |
| 08:04.14 | malinka | if you copied it to another location could you get another tv? |
| 08:04.15 | padde | oh, wait, you can do that. just use a projector and move the silver screen :) |
| 08:04.49 | d3x | padde, erm.. contrast matters :) |
| 08:04.52 | padde | tiny projectors that fit into the pocket are the future anyway. I know it for years already :) |
| 08:05.35 | padde | yeah well, the LED people are getting there :) they use LEDs in headlights of cars already! (Audi A8 was the first, I believe) |
| 08:06.02 | padde | malinka: good night |
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| 08:06.22 | d3x | doesn't audi only use leds for that fancy line below headlights? |
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| 08:08.47 | padde | those are another kind of LED... i'm talking about http://www.tomshardware.de/LEDs-Halogeon-Xenon-Scheinwerfer-Auto,testberichte-1352-8.html |
| 08:10.37 | padde | here they say it was Lexus who was first ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlamp#LED_light_sources |
| 08:11.11 | padde | but I have to get some work done now... cu |
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| 09:54.12 | DarkMac | where do i found old good knewsticker for 11.3 ???? |
| 09:55.14 | cb400f | you don't.. there are some plasmoids that are similar though |
| 09:55.17 | cb400f | iirc |
| 09:57.39 | DarkMac | cb400f: i need one that can scrool on a panel....like knewsticker did |
| 09:58.39 | cb400f | imho you need to erase the past from your brain, and look at kde4 with fresh, unbiased eyes :-) |
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| 10:13.17 | enkidu | hi. Is there possibility to omit reolading kde session, when hostname changes? (I have two networks) |
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| 11:20.16 | menak | hi, i'm having massive problem with akonadi. as far as i read akonaditray offers options to configure akonadi. |
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| 11:22.18 | menak | Wierd thing is that when i hover the mouse above the klipper icon in the kde bar then then the tooltip says "akonaditray". |
| 11:22.22 | menak | is that a bug |
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| 11:59.33 | menak | ok, i now managed to import the file based addressbook to the mysql based... |
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| 12:00.38 | menak | IMHO the whole akonadi thing was done very lousy... kde is the bugiest so called stable release ever |
| 12:00.46 | menak | IMHO the whole akonadi thing was done very lousy... kde 4.4 is the bugiest so called stable release ever |
| 12:00.56 | menak | and i started with pre 1.0 |
| 12:01.13 | menak | whatever, thanks for the leet help |
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| 13:21.16 | dcorbin_work | konsole -e "tail -f ~/.bashrc" pops up a konsole window, but I get no output (yes, .bashrc has some content). |
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| 13:45.56 | lamefun | hi |
| 13:46.06 | lamefun | why does Kate sometimes input in reverse? |
| 13:46.24 | lamefun | like, I write "core.doublejumps", but it makes "spmujelbuod.eroc" |
| 13:46.48 | Torch | lamefun: same here. probably a qt bug (just guessing, have not investigated) |
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| 13:47.11 | Torch | lamefun: page up and page down or switching apps temporarily fixes it for me as a workaround for now. |
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| 13:48.45 | MrJones | is there a way I can reopen a "fixed" bug on bugs.kde.org ? |
| 13:49.20 | MrJones | since it isn't fixed at all |
| 13:49.31 | Torch | MrJones: change its status? i think you can always to that even with user karma. |
| 13:49.41 | MrJones | Torch: I didn't file the bug |
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| 13:49.54 | MrJones | the original filer isn't really interested though, I jumped in since it also happened for me |
| 13:50.00 | Torch | MrJones: mail the bug owner if you cannot reopen it. |
| 13:50.12 | Torch | MrJones: which bug is it? |
| 13:50.24 | MrJones | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246080 |
| 13:50.32 | MrJones | they simply rejected it with "upstream" |
| 13:50.45 | MrJones | which is not nice, since ffmpeg now simply says it's not their bug. and I am really not in a position to discuss this |
| 13:51.02 | MrJones | they probably should have taken care of this themselves rather than sent me off as a normal user to forward their things around |
| 13:51.23 | pinotree | MrJones: reopening the kde bug makes no sense |
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| 13:51.32 | Torch | MrJones: talk to mamarok on #amarok |
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| 13:51.45 | Torch | MrJones: she'll just tell you what pino said, though |
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| 13:51.52 | dcorbin_work | konsole -e "tail -f ~/.bashrc" pops up a konsole window, but I get no output (yes, .bashrc has some content). |
| 13:52.28 | pinotree | it is clearly crashing in a thread of a xine plugin, so nothing amarok can do about it |
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| 13:53.52 | MrJones | pinotree: right. but that commenter claimed it was an avcodec bug which is wrong |
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| 13:54.10 | MrJones | now ffmpeg people tell me I need to go to xine. I'd be very annoyed if they also told me I need to go to XYZ |
| 13:54.15 | MrJones | >.> |
| 13:54.16 | pinotree | not amarok nor a kde component either way, so "upstream" problem |
| 13:54.34 | Torch | MrJones: there's nothing we can do about it. and if you wish to complain, complain on #amarok ;-) |
| 13:54.53 | MrJones | yup |
| 13:54.54 | MrJones | just doingg |
| 13:54.56 | MrJones | -g |
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| 15:01.20 | hahaohwow | will dolphin give me no search results unless I enable nepomuk? |
| 15:03.02 | Torch | hahaohwow: that is correct, i think. |
| 15:04.13 | hahaohwow | is there any way to usee search without enabling nepomuk? |
| 15:04.17 | hahaohwow | even CLI will do |
| 15:05.25 | cb400f | "search" |
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| 15:05.54 | cb400f | there are plenty non-nepomuk search tools.. like find and locate.. or beagle.. tracker... |
| 15:05.58 | James147 | hahaohwow: crtl+f in dolphin will do it |
| 15:06.12 | cb400f | that too depending on what you're searching for |
| 15:06.32 | hahaohwow | James147, i dunno, it doesnt |
| 15:06.40 | James147 | hahaohwow: it should ^^ |
| 15:06.48 | hahaohwow | wait, i give you a screenie |
| 15:08.57 | hahaohwow | http://images.redial.net/snapshot2.png |
| 15:09.09 | hahaohwow | see the 0 results found? |
| 15:09.47 | hahaohwow | theres 2 files with 'yes' in the folder, but still no results |
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| 15:10.25 | cb400f | try: *yes* |
| 15:10.57 | cb400f | I don't think it likes you unless you use wildcards manually |
| 15:11.04 | hahaohwow | damn |
| 15:11.27 | hahaohwow | is this thing fixed in 4.4? |
| 15:11.47 | cb400f | I think it's working as intended |
| 15:12.11 | cb400f | it's difficult to do precise searching if it uses wildcards "automatically" |
| 15:12.57 | hahaohwow | no other search bar i've seen requires this. there's not even a hint |
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| 15:13.52 | cb400f | the hint for me is that the '*' is there "by default" when I open the dialog.. but I guess it's a bit tricky |
| 15:14.33 | hahaohwow | the * isn't a hint, really |
| 15:14.47 | cb400f | I guess everybody expects it to be obsoleted by nepomuk+strigi becoming functional some day :-) |
| 15:14.56 | hahaohwow | hehe |
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| 15:16.28 | CMoH | enkidu, after resuming from hibernation plasma-desktop didn't have any problems anymore - i think one of the plasmoids had a configuration problem, possibly from the upgrade |
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| 15:17.35 | hahaohwow | i see lots of people masquerading about how awesome nepomuk/strigi will be in a few decades. i hope i get to see the awesomeness in my lifetime |
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| 15:24.18 | James147 | hahaohwow: i am not having problems with it in kde 4.5 RCs :S |
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| 15:24.41 | hahaohwow | James147, with nepomuk? |
| 15:25.12 | James147 | hahaohwow: yeah, had quite a few problems in 4.4 but most seem to have gone in 4.5... at least for me |
| 15:25.45 | hahaohwow | what do you use it for, anyway? |
| 15:25.53 | James147 | hahaohwow: not much :) |
| 15:26.29 | hahaohwow | there must be SOMETHING you do with it :S |
| 15:26.56 | James147 | occasional search... |
| 15:27.16 | hahaohwow | ... |
| 15:27.35 | James147 | hahaohwow: taged a fre pictures :) |
| 15:28.39 | hahaohwow | whoa thats awesome |
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| 15:29.53 | James147 | hahaohwow: my point being I can run strigi without problems in the background... |
| 15:30.09 | hahaohwow | yeah i understand |
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| 15:40.47 | rx | hi guys. installed opensuse 11.3 and kde was really slow in the gfx area... theres still probleme with nvidia gfx card? cant believe that 7600 card performs so badly when it does a great job running games like COD modern warfare :| |
| 15:43.00 | Torch | rx: there are still driver problems with nvidia, afaik. it does, however, work tolerably well for me on several machines with nvidia cards. |
| 15:43.49 | cb400f | rx: turn on all the "fancy" animations in systemsettings -> appearance -> style |
| 15:44.02 | rx | i did |
| 15:44.07 | cb400f | turn _off_ :-) |
| 15:44.08 | rx | also turned em off |
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| 15:44.27 | cb400f | and in systemsettings -> appearance -> windows |
| 15:44.38 | cb400f | the titlebar transition animations can be a pain too |
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| 15:44.54 | rx | i tought at same point that turning em on could help since it would render things differently |
| 15:44.55 | rx | yup |
| 15:45.10 | cb400f | oxygen animations != kwin effects |
| 15:45.43 | rx | in firefox its horribly slow... that qt-gtk engine must be the reason why its that slow |
| 15:46.10 | rx | i isntalled gnome too and it performed quite well... tho im not a big fan of gnome heh |
| 15:46.19 | cb400f | I heard someone claimed the oxygen-molecule gtk theme is slow.. I haven't noticed any probs myself |
| 15:46.34 | rx | yeah played with themes too |
| 15:46.49 | rx | i guess i will wait till it gets better |
| 15:46.51 | cb400f | but you can try switching in systemsettings -> appearance -> gtk styles |
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| 15:47.11 | rx | ok |
| 15:47.24 | rx | thank |
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| 15:47.38 | cb400f | I think it only gets worse >:-) .. you should figure out what settings to tweak instead |
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| 15:47.51 | rx | kde developers must be using ati/intel cards :P |
| 15:48.17 | cb400f | the workspace developers will continue to add more animations triggering issues.. and the nvidia developers will continue to produce a sucky driver |
| 15:48.30 | rx | lol |
| 15:49.29 | cb400f | if it's any consolation in opensuse 11.3 the intel driver is even worse.. slow and crashy.. I had to disable kwin_effects :-( |
| 15:49.47 | cb400f | but at least that should get better |
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| 15:51.06 | rx | hehe |
| 15:53.02 | hahaohwow | i sure hate my brother for installing a nvidia card in the home pc even though the stock intel one was doing great |
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| 16:06.48 | windowshasyou | wow... kde 4.6 trunk actually drops memory and cpu usage into near nothing after being up for a week. |
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| 16:09.53 | enkidu | windowshasyou: you are using 4.6 trunk? :) |
| 16:10.04 | enkidu | how about its stability? |
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| 16:12.27 | unclemike | i set clock in kde4.5 to speek time.....jovie kde spech to text poped up...but no sound |
| 16:13.05 | windowshasyou | enkidu: So far no problems. I've been running it since they reopened trunk |
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| 16:13.21 | windowshasyou | oh wait... one issue, but updating qt-libs solved that. |
| 16:13.32 | enkidu | any mandriva builds so far? |
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| 16:13.53 | windowshasyou | enkidu: Beats me. I just svn'd the source and compiled it. |
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| 16:16.25 | enkidu | ah. I wont try compilind KDE on atom ;d |
| 16:16.30 | enkidu | compiling* |
| 16:16.45 | windowshasyou | why? |
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| 16:17.21 | James147 | enkidu: it would only take most of a day :D |
| 16:18.06 | windowshasyou | It took my maligned pentium D about 6 hours for it all, including qt-libs. |
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| 16:30.09 | sreich | windowshasyou: right..which only proves that the atom will take a _lot_ longer |
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| 16:30.39 | sreich | especially since the clock range for a pentium D is 2.66 GHz to 3.73 GHz and the atom's is 800MHz to 2.13 GHz |
| 16:30.41 | windowshasyou | sreich: I have no idea how bad atoms are for that kind of stuff seeing as how I haven't, and don't plan on, playing with them. |
| 16:31.15 | sreich | they're mobile processors, they are meant for low power consumption to conserve battery life, not cpu-intensive tasks :D |
| 16:32.01 | windowshasyou | sreich: ah. |
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| 16:33.02 | mrub | hi there. when i used kde rc2 kmail downloaded my mails from the pop account several times and i deleted all of them locally. how can i make kmail forget that all this mails were downloaded so that i get a new list of emails (now without duplicates)? |
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| 17:07.53 | aidy | Is anyone familiar with the newspaper activity? How does one set up in multiple columns? |
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| 17:18.09 | James147 | aidy: here I just drag the widget to the side you want to create a column |
| 17:18.41 | James147 | aidy: to the edges of teh screen ^^ dosnet seem to work in the mddle |
| 17:19.27 | James147 | aidy: ^^ to the right, dosnt seem to work on the left either :S using kde 4.5 is thats relevent |
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| 17:20.09 | FloridaGuy | where do i change the clock from 24 hr to 12 hr at |
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| 17:21.35 | cb400f | FloridaGuy: systemsettings -> regional and language -> time and dates (or so) |
| 17:22.05 | mrub | is there a special kmail/kontact channel? |
| 17:22.16 | cb400f | #kontact |
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| 17:33.02 | aidy | James147: thanks, trying ubuntu's gnome netbook interface a bit now |
| 17:33.08 | aidy | might try kde again later |
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| 17:44.16 | enkidu | how can I make SVG for Analog Clock, that will use different colours with compositing enabled, and different with disabled? |
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| 17:58.40 | wyrm111 | well i installed kde on lucid and logged in. but it doesn't recognize my lan connection. any hints? |
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| 18:00.31 | wyrm111 | k |
| 18:01.52 | enkidu | sorry, but ubuntu likes gnome more |
| 18:02.29 | windowshasyou | wyrm111: Time to swtich distros if you want to run kde. |
| 18:02.51 | Torch | wyrm111: try #kubuntu. |
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| 18:03.18 | wyrm111 | lol well I was gonna give it a try after about 8 years |
| 18:04.02 | wyrm111 | i guess what i would like to know is what is the network manager called in kde |
| 18:04.12 | windowshasyou | knetworkmanager |
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| 18:04.38 | wyrm111 | ;) cheers |
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| 18:24.25 | Tranquil_Waters | Does anyone know if kde 4.5 RC3 will become available for kubuntu? |
| 18:24.39 | Tranquil_Waters | Or will kubuntu wait and go straight for 4.5 final? |
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| 18:30.11 | windowshasyou | Tranquil_Waters: ask in #kubuntu |
| 18:30.37 | pbunbun | They usuall don't put RCs in, but I'm basing this on a few years ago when KDE was a lot less stable :P |
| 18:31.04 | windowshasyou | my .02 cents... kubuntu is the worst way to get the kde experience. |
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| 18:32.01 | Marchitos | is sharing plasmoid working in trunk? |
| 18:32.04 | Marchitos | for me no.. |
| 18:32.27 | windowshasyou | Marchitos: Do you have qt 4.7? |
| 18:32.35 | windowshasyou | or 4.6? |
| 18:32.48 | Tranquil_Waters | windowshasyou: Why is kubuntu so bad? What's a better kde experience according to you then? |
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| 18:33.16 | Marchitos | .. |
| 18:33.21 | Marchitos | 4.6 i think.. |
| 18:33.23 | Marchitos | let me see |
| 18:34.30 | Marchitos | 4.6.3 |
| 18:34.32 | windowshasyou | Tranquil_Waters: The kubuntu people often "hack" the source leaving stuff out and/or "improving" it to their specifications. Often it creates more problems. |
| 18:34.45 | windowshasyou | Marchitos: Update qt to 4.7 and it should go. |
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| 18:35.23 | Tranquil_Waters | windowshasyou: So what do you run kde on then? |
| 18:35.38 | Marchitos | are they stable? |
| 18:35.49 | windowshasyou | Tranquil_Waters: My own homebrew. |
| 18:35.53 | Tranquil_Waters | windowshasyou: is the akonadi-mess part of the kubuntu problem as well, or is it not done in kde yet? |
| 18:36.16 | Tranquil_Waters | windowshasyou: which is? |
| 18:36.37 | windowshasyou | Tranquil_Waters: What problem with akonadi? And I'm saying its my own home brew of linux... compiled from scratch. |
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| 18:37.51 | windowshasyou | Tranquil_Waters: So far as I know, akonadi is stable. If its acting up for you, then its most likely another problem with kubuntu. |
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| 18:38.44 | windowshasyou | Marchitos: Its stable enough for every day use. |
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| 18:40.53 | Tranquil_Waters | windowshasyou: I mean the standard akonadi errors you get when you open kmail / kontact |
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| 18:40.58 | Tranquil_Waters | but it must be kubuntu then |
| 18:41.08 | Marchitos | is anybody using kepas plasmoid? |
| 18:41.10 | Tranquil_Waters | :-) |
| 18:41.13 | blueyed | windowshasyou: any current occurence of bad-patch-behavior in kubuntu? |
| 18:41.18 | Tranquil_Waters | it will get fixed eventually I guess ^_^ |
| 18:41.36 | blueyed | kepas? |
| 18:41.47 | windowshasyou | Tranquil_Waters: I've never gotten any errors when opening kontact. I haven't bothered installing kmail |
| 18:42.06 | Tranquil_Waters | I thought kmail is part of kontact? |
| 18:42.11 | Tranquil_Waters | or only in kubuntu? |
| 18:42.12 | blueyed | windowshasyou: I am on Kubuntu, too - and experience Akonadi as somethong more unstable. |
| 18:42.13 | James147 | windowshasyou: what version of kde are you running? |
| 18:42.37 | blueyed | IIRC I might have akonadi disabled currently. |
| 18:42.44 | windowshasyou | James147: Platform Version 4.5.62 (KDE 4.5.62 (KDE 4.6 >= 20100729)) |
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| 18:43.16 | blueyed | do not care / not much missing, and currently installing Maverick (but had 4.5rc2 before already). |
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| 18:43.56 | James147 | windowshasyou: as far as I know kubuntu try to limit the amount of changes they make to the source ^^ and kubuntu lucid is running 4.4 which had some problems with akonadi, the 4.5 RC2 package they have seem to have fixed most the problems |
| 18:45.44 | windowshasyou | James147: You should take a look at the sources and patches in the kubuntu repos and compare them with the vanilla sources sometime... you might be surprised at how many differences there are. |
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| 19:32.41 | hackedbellini | Hello people! I just want to make sure of one thing. Have a look at the end of this Brazilian site ( http://www.mercadolivre.com.br/jm/ml.faqs.portalFaqs.FaqsController?axn=verTut&faqId=5190 ). Am I confused or they are using KDE Logo? |
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| 19:33.34 | hackedbellini | and as I just read on kde.org, "The KDE logo can be used freely as long as it is not used to refer to products other than KDE itself. There is no formal procedure to use it. " |
| 19:33.36 | hackedbellini | that site has nothing to do with KDE or even Free Software. It's like a Brazilian Ebay |
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| 19:38.07 | sreich | hackyeah, they are.. |
| 19:38.13 | sreich | eh |
| 19:38.16 | Torch | sreich: seems like he's gone |
| 19:38.20 | Torch | sreich: surprised me as well. |
| 19:38.47 | Torch | (probably the competition ;-)) |
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| 19:39.23 | sreich | Torch: somebody should probably tell kde-licensing, no? |
| 19:39.45 | Torch | sreich: this thing looks like oxygen. |
| 19:39.51 | Torch | sreich: oxygen is lgpl, isn't it? |
| 19:39.59 | Torch | sreich: if it is, there's a licensing problem ;-) |
| 19:40.11 | James147 | Torch: one of the icons has the kde logo in it... |
| 19:40.29 | sreich | and the user icon looks a -lot- like an oxygen icon |
| 19:40.56 | Torch | well, from my naive point of view that would not work as the KDE logo is not LGPL compatible with that rule. |
| 19:41.00 | Torch | but what do i know ;-) |
| 19:41.23 | sreich | ? |
| 19:41.33 | sreich | the kde logo is a registered trademark |
| 19:42.00 | Torch | sreich: what i'm trying to say is: if oxygen is LGPL (somebody correct me if this is not the case) and the KDE logo says "free to use, but not for commercial projects" then the KDE logo and oxygen aren't compatible |
| 19:42.34 | sreich | in this particular case, yeah |
| 19:42.38 | sreich | that's really irrelevant though |
| 19:42.46 | Torch | sreich: why? |
| 19:42.57 | Torch | sreich: hmm |
| 19:43.03 | Torch | sreich: you're probably right, it is. |
| 19:43.17 | Torch | sreich: you earn the right to send a mail to licensing ;-) |
| 19:43.18 | windowshasyou | hackedbellini: Hold on. Running it through a translator |
| 19:43.19 | windowshasyou | hackedbellini: If you are worried about it, file it on kde.org or put it on the kde mailing list so that someone that can read spanish can take a closer look. The translation is pure gibberish. |
| 19:43.20 | windowshasyou | Guess they really like the konqueror symbol |
| 19:43.22 | windowshasyou | Torch: I thought it was regular gpl... hold on, I'll pull up the agreement in the svn folder |
| 19:43.22 | sreich | it's separate because had the kde logo been used as say..to represent kde itself, that would be fine. even if used in tandem with an oxygen icon |
| 19:43.23 | windowshasyou | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.25 | windowshasyou | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.26 | windowshasyou | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.28 | windowshasyou | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:44.05 | Torch | windowshasyou: doesn't make much of a difference anyway... you cannot link to icons. |
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| 19:44.16 | windowshasyou | Torch: you are right. |
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| 19:46.25 | sreich | anyone wanna shoot our ML an email about this? |
| 19:46.39 | windowshasyou | sreich: Sure. I'll get it done. |
| 19:46.46 | sreich | windowshasyou: thanks |
| 19:47.11 | James147 | ^^ also http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Oxygen/Licensing#Using_Oxygen_Icons_Outwith_KDE shouldn't it be "without"? |
| 19:48.23 | pinotree | "outwith" == "out of", more or less |
| 19:48.26 | sreich | see page history |
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| 19:51.48 | windowshasyou | Its done. |
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| 19:57.41 | fmario | Has anybody an idea what's missing when in the network-manager plasmoid I don't get the possibility to choose wpa. |
| 19:57.44 | fmario | ? |
| 19:58.32 | cb400f | wpa_supplicant perhaps? .. you should ask your distro |
| 19:58.50 | fmario | cb400f: Thx. But wpa_supplicant is installed... |
| 19:59.10 | windowshasyou | cb400f: What version of knetworkmanager are you using? |
| 19:59.11 | cb400f | then it's probably something else :-) |
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| 19:59.25 | cb400f | try nm-applet.. to see if that offers wpa |
| 19:59.44 | croepha | is there a way to make the background of konqueror transparent? |
| 19:59.49 | cb400f | if yes.. then the plasmoid is at fault.. if nm-applet doesn't have wpa either, then the problem is lower in the stack |
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