| 00:01.24 | EvilMachine | junkDawgie: wtf? how can you suggest i delete all my settings and everything? luckily i'm not a noob. |
| 00:01.35 | EvilMachine | imagine i would have done that |
| 00:01.53 | EvilMachine | why not go all the way, and recommend "rm -rf /"? |
| 00:02.10 | EvilMachine | makes just as much sense |
| 00:02.20 | EvilMachine | i spent a month configuring everything how it is now |
| 00:02.46 | junkDawgie | don't then, it would remove all the plasmoids... your only other option would be to manually edit that same file |
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| 00:02.53 | EvilMachine | junkDawgie: yes, i will not do it |
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| 00:03.29 | EvilMachine | junkDawgie: i just looked at ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc. looks really easy. i think i'l gun a regex over it, to get some order in the chaos in there. |
| 00:03.39 | EvilMachine | thanks, at least i know which file it is |
| 00:03.42 | junkDawgie | good luck |
| 00:05.39 | EvilMachine | :( and i hoped, there would be a function to manage the plasma-desktop-appletsrc tree. maybe i'll build one. i've written a very nice graph/tree transformer based on xpath, that can read in ini files too. |
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| 00:15.25 | junkDawgie | most plasmoids are listed with a section designation followed by settings, so you could move the file, let the default plasma-desktop-appletsrc file be created, add the plasmoids, then copy/paste all the settings into the new file |
| 00:16.14 | junkDawgie | under the appropriate sections |
| 00:17.26 | junkDawgie | i don't have any plasmoids that have large amounts of data, so wiping the file is the fastest way. |
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| 00:19.54 | deitarion | Is the source for KDE's bugzilla available anywhere? I want to borrow the search used to identify potential pre-existing duplicates when submitting a new bug for a collaborative story idea management thing. |
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| 00:36.28 | I_Died_Once | hi... updated to kde4 recently... somehow i can not change the desktop backgroup image |
| 00:36.34 | I_Died_Once | **background image |
| 00:36.54 | I_Died_Once | the option to set it is not in systemsettings - appearance |
| 00:37.02 | I_Died_Once | or anywhere |
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| 00:37.15 | I_Died_Once | not sure if its a plasma problem |
| 00:38.02 | deitarion | Never mind. Found it. --> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/bugs/ |
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| 00:39.02 | I_Died_Once | it was there earlier |
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| 01:28.11 | atrius | hello everyone |
| 01:28.31 | atrius | is there a way to get phonon to share an audio device at this point? |
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| 01:44.24 | sobczyk | is there any integration between kontact and google services? |
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| 01:46.18 | FloridaGuy | dang....what a hog....i just installed just kdebase 4.5.0...it useing 280 mb of mem...100% cpu usage...and xchat and system monitor are the only 2 things open... |
| 01:48.33 | dive | FloridaGuy, that's strange. I just upgraded to 4.5 and have no problems at all like that. |
| 01:48.54 | dive | I take it you upgraded all of kde? |
| 01:49.35 | FloridaGuy | i had just ubuntu....installed...then i just added kdebase |
| 01:50.22 | FloridaGuy | cpu usage has droped...now just gota uninstall some not needed things |
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| 01:54.48 | atrius | is there any reason i shouldn't install pulseaudio under KDE? |
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| 01:57.04 | FloridaGuy | i dont see why not....you have 5.1 sound or better |
| 01:57.28 | FloridaGuy | or just a common 2 speaker |
| 01:57.32 | atrius | FloridaGuy: this wasn't an issue before.. but i just switched to using SPDIF for output.. and now no sound application will play nice with anyone else |
| 01:57.35 | atrius | 5.1 sound now |
| 01:59.00 | FloridaGuy | all i know.is it gets your 5.1 going...dont know any tec on it...never used the spdif |
| 01:59.32 | atrius | it seems the alternative is to try and beat phonon into submission.. which seems a bucket full of fail |
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| 02:16.39 | atrius | pulseaudio did the trick :D |
| 02:16.47 | atrius | now i just need to get Chrome/flash to use it |
| 02:17.03 | atrius | and fix pidgin |
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| 03:00.21 | angasule | it seems when selecting 'one activity per desktop' the cashew is gone, and the old activities don't work? should I restart plasma-desktop or what? |
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| 03:06.55 | junkDawgie | activities are a mystery to me too, angasule, every time i mess with them i regret it |
| 03:07.49 | angasule | junkDawgie: I'm determined to really regret it this time :- |
| 03:07.54 | angasule | :-) |
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| 03:21.17 | enderw99 | why hasn'tthe 4.6 feature plan been updated? |
| 03:21.58 | phobos_anomaly | enderw99: Probably because they are still deciding what to put in it. |
| 03:22.40 | enderw99 | that could be why. |
| 03:28.27 | Jucato | people will update it when/if they have something to put in there. there's no "board room meeting" decision-like thing where people decide "ok, for 4.6, KDE SC will focus on the following features ...". at most, respective teams will decide that themselves (Plasma, KWin, Edu, etc). but nothing "from the management" sort of feature plan. and even then, not everyone really puts everything there (they're encouraged, but not required) |
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| 03:38.27 | junkDawgie | now understands why the KDE SC package is held together with duct tape |
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| 03:39.57 | Jucato | nothing has really changed internally. same processes as before. only the marketing/presentation changes |
| 03:40.47 | Jucato | (of course now we have wikis) |
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| 03:56.40 | Sho_ | Jucato: Konversation needs a feature where you can click a "Troll" checkbox in the nickname context menu and then they show permanently as green |
| 03:56.58 | Jucato | :D |
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| 04:25.06 | sreich | Sho_: haha |
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| 06:32.32 | nettezzaumana | hi there .. i have little minor problem in KDE 4.5* .. i assigned shortcut meta+` to yakuake .. but this shortcut works only for hiding yakuake, not for summoning terminal window ... no idea why .. i have a lot of other meta+$foo based combos and they are works |
| 06:32.38 | nettezzaumana | any idea? thanks |
| 06:33.05 | nettezzaumana | s/works/working fine/ |
| 06:33.27 | Sho_ | did you assign it in the "Global" column? |
| 06:33.33 | nettezzaumana | ps. i'm using this shortcut for yakuake since kde3* |
| 06:33.37 | Sho_ | (third column) |
| 06:33.43 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: no |
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| 06:33.50 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: i let there default f12 |
| 06:33.56 | Sho_ | nettezzaumana: then it won't work if the app isn't focussed |
| 06:34.04 | Sho_ | only global shortcuts are global shortcuts |
| 06:34.06 | nettezzaumana | ah .. ok, thanks |
| 06:36.20 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: excellent .. thanks. works. in 4.5* is changed this dialog so i didn't realize, that global is just global and primary/alternate are touching yakuake only when have focus |
| 06:36.37 | Sho_ | nettezzaumana: actually it's been that way since 4.0 |
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| 06:37.34 | Sho_ | nettezzaumana: in KDE 3, there were separate dialogs for global shortcuts and application shortcuts, in KDE 4 it's a combined dialog with that column solution |
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| 06:38.05 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: really? probably yeah .. i've been using yakuake from kde 3 because of this my bug: http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=591778 |
| 06:38.31 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: ^^ feel free to add comment there .. it impacts all distros .. i should put it in kde bugzilla |
| 06:38.44 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: thanks for refreshing my memory |
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| 06:39.22 | Sho_ | nettezzaumana: interesting, I hadn't heard about that bug |
| 06:39.26 | Sho_ | (I develop Yakuake btw) |
| 06:40.13 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: hehe. see a screenshots .. this happens to all terminal emulators in qt4 .. `xterm -bg black -fg green` just works with proper colours |
| 06:40.30 | Sho_ | nettezzaumana: I should say that bugs in KDE applications should always be filed at http://bugs.kde.org/, they don't help if they're in some distribution's bug tracker and distributions don't tend to forward them (openSUSE is especially bad with that in my experience) |
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| 06:43.09 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: no, stop wronging to opensuse .. novell is one of distro vendors who sacrifices by developing GNU stuff a serious pile of bucks every year as well as suse guys works hard .. i've been one of them |
| 06:43.19 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: btw, did you see a screenshots? |
| 06:44.11 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/1986/badncurses1.png |
| 06:44.26 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: ^^ current one .. quite unusable .. isn't it ? |
| 06:44.39 | Sho_ | I'm not wronging opensuse, I'm just saying that in my experience they're letting bug reports rot in their tracker rather than making any effort to push them upstream, which some distros are much better at :) |
| 06:45.13 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: ah, ok .. i misunderstood |
| 06:45.39 | Sho_ | nettezzaumana: Did playing with the terminal profile color scheme settings help in any way? |
| 06:46.07 | cleary | Sho_: I didn't know you were the yakuake guy? Thanks for making my favourite kde tool :) |
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| 06:46.20 | Sho_ | cleary: glad you like it then :) |
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| 06:46.29 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: no .. and it's due to that the ncurses has a fixed colours so terminal style should't affect them at all |
| 06:47.49 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: yeah .. i need to thank you also .. i'm using yakuake since .. heh. since i've found it before several years :D .. but now the ncurses broken colours are molesting me toughly |
| 06:47.53 | Sho_ | nettezzaumana: Well terminal colors are palette-based, i.e. a terminal application doesn't specify an RGB triplet or so but a palette index, and so the terminal emulator has a lookup table for the actual RGB triplets |
| 06:48.29 | Sho_ | I should say that Yakuake isn't responsible for painting the terminal area though (that's handled by Konsole, the KPart component of which Yakuake embeds) |
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| 06:49.58 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: well, i didn't say that yakuake itself does it .. i think that qt4 handles wrongly with these palettes and screws up a by ncurses rendered coilours |
| 06:50.21 | Sho_ | nah, Qt has nothing to do with it |
| 06:51.07 | Sho_ | If there's a bug at all, it's caused by Konsole's assignment of RGB triplets to the color escape codes ncurses uses |
| 06:51.20 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: well, have you seen a screenshots in my bugreport ... are you at least able to confirm, that there is something wrong with ncurses colours? |
| 06:52.04 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: ^^ yeah .. i said that already |
| 06:52.13 | nettezzaumana | 08:23 < Sho_> If there's a bug at all, it's caused by Konsole's assignment of RGB triplets to the color escape codes ncurses uses |
| 06:52.18 | Sho_ | no, you said it's about Qt, but Qt has nothing to do with it |
| 06:52.44 | nettezzaumana | pff .. ok, it's morning and my brain is sleeping already |
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| 06:54.28 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: anyway, thanks you for your advice about shortcut .. back to business .. feel free involve in case of my bugreport .. it's not my range of interest so personally i won't fix it however i'd like to do so |
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| 06:54.45 | Sho_ | Like I said, terminal colors are palette-based. Terminal applications (and that includes those using ncurses) don't specify a specific color, they specify a palette index. The terminal emulator has a lookup table to convert such a index into an RGB triplet it can paint on screen. In most terminal emulators those lookup tables can be modified/replaced, i.e. they're color schemes. What your screenshots indicate is that Konsole's color scheme has change in KDE 4 in ways |
| 06:54.46 | Sho_ | that make your ncurses app look umcomfortable |
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| 06:55.45 | nettezzaumana | s/umcomfortable/broken/ imo hence the ncurses colours are defined and it changes them |
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| 06:57.18 | egonw | moin, this is kubuntu related, but already asked there too, and just looking for a pointer... I installed 4.5.0 from the kubuntu ppa, but something went wrong it seems, and kio_http and kio_file are not found, leaving most applications in a broken state.... I googled, checked the kubuntu ppa tracker, but i seem to be the only one with this problem... I'm looking for ideas on how to progress... any tip will be appreciated... e.g. I have the kio_ |
| 06:57.20 | egonw | file.so in /usr/lib/kde4... is there any other reason why it would not be able to load the .so ? |
| 06:58.12 | Sho_ | nettezzaumana: If you change the terminal profile color scheme from "Dark Pastels" to e.g. "Black on White" or "White on Black" it will render as you expect it to |
| 06:58.40 | Sho_ | nettezzaumana: Right-click the Yakuake tab and pick "Edit Current Profile", then see "Appearance" |
| 06:59.51 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: yes, default black on white renders it correctly .. it's also mentioned in my bugreport |
| 07:00.29 | Sho_ | your bug report is in some distro bug tracker that no Konsole developer will ever see, though .. |
| 07:01.03 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: ok, i'll put it in kde bugzilla .. |
| 07:01.23 | Sho_ | nettezzaumana: One sec |
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| 07:02.21 | Sho_ | nettezzaumana: I did a quick search, and it seems that the default color scheme was reverted back from Dark Pastels to Linux Colors in November: http://websvn.kde.org/?revision=1048892&view=revision (in response to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167619) |
| 07:03.32 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: once more .. it has nothing to do which scheme is default and which is not .. buggy behaviour is fact, that konsole changes somehow fixed colours in ncurses apps |
| 07:03.48 | Sho_ | once more ... terminal apps have no fixed colors |
| 07:04.04 | nettezzaumana | but the ncurses has iirc |
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| 07:05.37 | Sho_ | ncurses has a couple of named colors that ncurses-using developers can refer to and which result in ncurses using escape codes that it expects to be interpreted matching the names it chose, but it expects that based on canonical practice, it is not a hard technical guarantee - terminal apps are at the mercy of the terminal emulator when it comes to how color codes are interpreted |
| 07:06.05 | Sho_ | you can argue that making "Dark Pastels" the default color scheme for a while was a poor choice on behalf of the Konsole developers because it differs from canonical practice |
| 07:06.24 | Sho_ | I would tend to agree with that and the change I pointed out seems to suggest that the Konsole developers do too these days |
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| 07:07.58 | Sho_ | at least that's my understanding of things, but I must admit I'm not an ncurses expert |
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| 07:11.14 | Sho_ | I have a vague memory that there's a protocol around that allows terminal apps to actually redefine the RGB triplets escape codes map to from their side and that ncurses has API to tap into that, but then it's up to the app dev to check whether the terminal indicates support for that iirc |
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| 07:13.46 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: my ncurses knowing is much lesser then yours .. i've used ncurses.h in past but it has nothing to do with that i don't know how it works in real .. i'm just using UNIX since late 90's and i'm considering current colours rendering as buggy hence i've seen/i've been using a lot of ncurses apps |
| 07:14.42 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: i'm not a responsible adult with proper skills and knowledge for this discussion |
| 07:15.21 | Sho_ | hehe :) |
| 07:15.44 | Sho_ | my ncurses knowledge is hardly advanced so that might make two of us |
| 07:16.03 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: would you just clearly reply this: can you see something bad on current ncurses colours rendering in kde terminal? |
| 07:16.41 | Sho_ | not if I use the Linux Colors, White on Black or Black on White color schemes - with the "Dark Pastels" one (which was the default for a while) it looks similar to your screenshots |
| 07:18.09 | meyerm | Hi, where can I configure which SSL-certificates KMail 1.13.5 (from KDE 4.4.5) accepts when connecting to a POP/IMAP-server? I trusted a self signed certificate and I can't find the place to configure or to revoke that. Kleopatra does not show that certificate f.ex. |
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| 07:19.06 | nettezzaumana | Sho_: uff .. dear Sho_ :D .. would i call you "son" for a moment ? ;) .. so i didn't want but i must to begin shouting: **NCURSES COLOURS SHOULDN'T CHANGE REGARDLY TO BACKEND TERMINAL SCHEME !! SON** |
| 07:19.30 | Sho_ | And I think they should, so we're at an impasse ;) |
| 07:20.06 | nettezzaumana | ok, back to business .. have a nice day Sho_ .. i need to emulate some *real work .. |
| 07:20.18 | nettezzaumana | regards to all and thanks for KDE |
| 07:20.25 | Sho_ | have fun |
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| 07:30.24 | thiago_home | meyerm: there's no GUI |
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| 07:31.21 | meyerm | thiago_home: Ah, thank you. I just started a grep within .kde4 ;-). So I guess as soon as I find some file with the string of the server in it it'll be easy to take this entry out? Are there plans for a GUI in the future, btw.? |
| 07:31.54 | thiago_home | plans, yeah |
| 07:32.03 | meyerm | thiago_home: Great, thanks. |
| 07:32.05 | thiago_home | but no one has done it and no one is looking at doing it |
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| 08:51.23 | Marchitos | qt minimun version for 4.5? |
| 08:52.00 | Jucato | Qt 4.6 afaik |
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| 09:02.53 | skramer_ | I have a problem with the small window previews after the upgrade to KDE SC 4.5, instead of the correct preview I see white rectangles with some strange CGA colours inside |
| 09:03.44 | skramer_ | I'm on Kubuntu 10.04, my graphics card according to lspci is a "Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)" |
| 09:04.24 | skramer_ | as long as I used 4.4, I did have the proper window previews |
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| 09:12.25 | skramer_ | anybody could help me find a solution for this problem, please? |
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| 09:13.24 | Sho_ | skramer_: I'd suggest to go to #kwin and wait for mgraesslin to pop his head in |
| 09:14.07 | skramer_ | Sho_: ok, thank you |
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| 09:14.48 | Sho_ | skramer_: he wrote that code and is probably aware of what the intel driver is doing wrong this time ;) |
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| 09:40.07 | latif | What is needed for opengl compositing to work? |
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| 09:44.58 | skramer_ | phoenix_: I have KDE 4.5.0 & Kopete 1.0.80 |
| 09:45.20 | phoenix_ | shadzik: is that the stable version? |
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| 09:45.51 | phoenix_ | skramer_: is that a stable version |
| 09:46.17 | pinotree | that's the latest stable version, yes |
| 09:46.51 | phoenix_ | pinotree: what is the latest alpha or beta versions |
| 09:48.16 | pinotree | the development version, which is the same as nobody did work on it since the last release |
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| 10:21.21 | pinotree | in the channel of your distro, they can help you |
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| 11:17.07 | EugenA | i have two minitors, the second one is enabled, but it is black |
| 11:17.53 | EugenA | i can move mouse to it, but the cursor bacames like cross |
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| 11:50.06 | oneforall | wow talkign about a kwin bashing in gimp. I asked how someone was getting the toolbox to stay inside and ontop of gimp(not be on top when using another app) . I get told "i wonder if you can get an alternative wm for kde that doesn't fail miserably at, well, managing windows" |
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| 12:04.45 | afd_ | hi guys! I'm using KDE 4.5 on Ubuntu, and I get this little small unnamed windows that will crash plasma whenerver I close them |
| 12:05.13 | afd_ | They usually appear whenever I start a Java app that places an icon in the systray, but in some other cases too |
| 12:05.21 | afd_ | Any ideas? |
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| 12:14.22 | DexterF | hi |
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| 12:15.44 | EugenA | how can i make my mouse scrollin slower? the mouse wheel is very fast in firefox, eclipse... |
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| 12:20.09 | Torch | EugenA: for KDE apps in systemsettings. |
| 12:20.30 | Torch | EugenA: i have no idea if GTK apps honour those settings. |
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| 12:21.30 | EugenA | Torch: i set wheel to scroll 1 row.. |
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| 13:01.30 | stevehedge | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.30 | stevehedge | <stevehedge> Also, enable wireless is greyed out on network manager in tra |
| 13:01.33 | stevehedge | tray |
| 13:05.26 | stevehedge | now i have the tick in enable wireless. but cannot connect |
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| 13:10.17 | szal | stevehedge: what's that got to do w/ KDE? |
| 13:11.41 | stevehedge | ah.. I am on OpenSUSE KDE. |
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| 13:21.11 | s__C | hello |
| 13:21.44 | s__C | if somebody could recommend me a dock or sth similar (not a new panel with icons) it'll be fine |
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| 13:22.23 | spY|da | hi there, i was wondering if it is possible to customize the right click dialog on the deskop to get a *box like menu? |
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| 13:23.59 | s__C | if somebody could recommend me a dock or sth similar (not a new panel with icons) it'll be fine |
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| 13:24.37 | cb400f | try 'fancy tasks" or "daisy" |
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| 13:25.47 | s__C | nothing else than these 2 ?? |
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| 13:30.09 | spY|da | try wbar |
| 13:30.35 | spY|da | cairo |
| 13:30.57 | spY|da | or avant window navigator |
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| 13:31.53 | s__C | okay i'll try wbar |
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| 13:32.27 | s__C | but is it gk or qt ?? |
| 13:33.57 | spY|da | s__C, neither |
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| 13:38.33 | EugenA | how can i extent my desktop on second monitor? i can move my mouse there, but i cannot move any window there |
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| 13:49.51 | nerdy_kid | my X server is using 451.8mb of memory according to ksysguard, when i click memory details i see that the heap is using 443564kb of memory. Does that include video ram and is it normal? thanks! |
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| 14:01.26 | foobarz | my X is using 872m but I'm not worried... I got 8g |
| 14:02.23 | foobarz | now it is using 210m after I closed a pdf viewer |
| 14:02.49 | foobarz | certain programs use a lot of X resources or something |
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| 14:04.03 | foobarz | down to 133m after closing more stuff |
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| 14:06.44 | arkascha | Since upgrading to KDE SC 4.5 my login screen has a strange striped blue background and the animation during session setup is broken: the logos are in left upper corner, very ugly. |
| 14:06.51 | arkascha | Switching the login theme did not help. |
| 14:06.52 | blip- | hi all, is there a way to organize/align plasma widgets on the desktop more neatly ? For example in Win7 they snap to the edge so that they're all aligned vertically... or one could put them inside of a large panel type thing so that you would see a big rectangle that has many widgets inside of it. any thoughts on this ? thanks |
| 14:06.56 | blip- | i'm on 4.5 btw |
| 14:07.01 | arkascha | WHat might be the cause / what can I do ? |
| 14:08.09 | nerdy_kid | foobarz my x never seems to shrink in memory size -- only grow. |
| 14:09.10 | nerdy_kid | blip might want to check out grouping desktop on kde look (google it) |
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| 14:11.52 | nerdy_kid | foobarz never used to happen in 4.4 either. i suppose ill dig up the app that is doing it eventually and file a bug. |
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| 14:17.13 | srk9 | Hi. I am using the classic application launcher under KDE 4.4.4 and all of my applications have disappeared. I tried relogging and I also tried switching to kickoff, but they won't appear no matter what I do. Can anyone help me? |
| 14:18.03 | cb400f | the menu entries are normally *.desktop files in various locations |
| 14:18.17 | cb400f | .. so question is if you deleted them all or something else crazy |
| 14:18.31 | srk9 | They were there before I went to bed last night. |
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| 14:18.36 | srk9 | I got up and came over and they were gone. |
| 14:19.07 | srk9 | I am using Gnetoo Linux, so I imagine that the *.desktop files would be in a stock location. Does anyone have any suggestion as to what that location might be? |
| 14:20.12 | srk9 | *Gentoo Linux |
| 14:20.40 | srk9 | It looks like they are still there. I just ran find / -name *.desktop and it found tons of them. |
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| 14:52.46 | blip- | nerdy_kid: thanks, I nearly missed your post though, it didn't highlight :) |
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| 14:55.41 | EugenA | what is the name of a utility to rotate / resize screen? |
| 14:56.38 | Shaan7 | EugenA: krandrtray |
| 14:57.39 | EugenA | i want to change the orientation of my second monitor from Landscape to Portrait |
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| 14:59.05 | a-st | Hello :) |
| 15:00.03 | a-st | Can someone explain why this is happening if I do "from PyKDE4.plasma import Plasma" in python: ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (initkdeui) |
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| 15:13.24 | a-st | none who can help? :( |
| 15:13.39 | Torch | a-st: try #kde-devel |
| 15:13.49 | Torch | a-st: or some python dev channel. |
| 15:13.56 | a-st | okay thank yout |
| 15:13.59 | a-st | -t |
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| 16:13.36 | EvilMachine | hello. :) |
| 16:14.07 | EvilMachine | so many bugs in kde 4.5, i don't know where to start... |
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| 16:16.26 | EvilMachine | ok, i have one question. right now, is kde 4.5 considered a: 1. alpha, 2. beta, 3. "unstable, in the debian sense", 4. normal release for general use? |
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| 16:17.05 | EvilMachine | anyone? |
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| 16:20.14 | EvilMachine | where can i talk to someone to get some critical (hard crashes, data loss) bugs out of kde 4.5? |
| 16:21.03 | EvilMachine | i'm also a programmer, but not a C one, and not one using gnu toolchains. so i can definitely debug stuff, and fix things that are not C/C++ code |
| 16:21.38 | EvilMachine | it's really incredibly painful to use kde 4.5 right now. it drives me insane and i really really really hate it by now |
| 16:21.49 | eshat | EvilMachine: If I hear that, I am happy debian freezed efore 4.5. was released |
| 16:22.03 | eshat | *before |
| 16:22.05 | EvilMachine | ^^ |
| 16:22.19 | EvilMachine | yep |
| 16:22.30 | eshat | I am quiete happy with 4.4.5 |
| 16:22.43 | EvilMachine | i guess i'll have to mask kde 4.5 until, dunno, some months later |
| 16:22.55 | eshat | but in the release notes I read about performance optimization, which I would be happy about |
| 16:23.10 | eshat | EvilMachine: on gentoo ? |
| 16:23.13 | EvilMachine | yes, i was also pretty happy with 4.4.5. it was the first time kde4 was usable. |
| 16:23.22 | EvilMachine | yep. but thinking about switching |
| 16:23.53 | EvilMachine | i was too happy with 4.4.5. so 4.5 came out, and did not eat my configs |
| 16:24.03 | eshat | EvilMachine: arch linux and debian are good If you are looking for bleeding edge |
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| 16:25.05 | EvilMachine | so i uninstalled everything kde 3.5, removed all hidden folders from my profile, and started a kde session. and the configuration nearly drove me insane. i nearly smashed something. |
| 16:25.16 | eshat | I would say KDE 4.4.5 is very stable on deboian sid... while 4.5. on arch linux crashed a few times during a one-day usage |
| 16:25.17 | EvilMachine | eshat: yep, heard a lot about arch |
| 16:25.28 | Torch | EvilMachine: if you have a specific question you need help with, ask away. |
| 16:25.40 | Torch | EvilMachine: if you just want to troll, try harder. this is not very good yet. |
| 16:25.40 | EvilMachine | portage is pretty great. the packages in the repositoy...well...no cmment. |
| 16:25.41 | EvilMachine | ok |
| 16:25.44 | EvilMachine | lol |
| 16:26.09 | EvilMachine | i'm pretty direct, i know |
| 16:26.17 | EvilMachine | but actually i posted a question up there |
| 16:26.30 | EvilMachine | let's list them: |
| 16:28.00 | EvilMachine | 1. ig you run krusader e.g. 3 times, close them all, log out, and log in again, they are all there again. the sessions don't go away, unless you manually edit ksmserverrc. |
| 16:28.19 | pinotree | does it happen with other applications than krusader? |
| 16:28.36 | EvilMachine | 2. systemsettings reproducably crashes, every time you choose the global shortcuts panel, and then choose another one |
| 16:28.55 | pinotree | another user came here yesterday with the same issue, at so far it seemed like krusader not really exiting when closing its windows |
| 16:28.56 | EvilMachine | 3. kwin reliably chashes every time you change a kwin-related setting |
| 16:29.35 | EvilMachine | pinotree: hm... will check thhat. the same problem exists with thunderbird, and did exist with firefox until recently |
| 16:30.08 | EvilMachine | 4. the name field for plasma activities is alwyas grayed out. it's not possible to change the name |
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| 16:31.44 | EvilMachine | 5. (not really a bug) activities also only store plasmids, and not applications, so you only switch betwees plasmid sets. so i don't get the point of activities, since you can't create different activities like "free time with chatting" or "work on project x", despite everyone telling me how very important of a concept they are supposed to be. :) |
| 16:32.29 | EvilMachine | 6. dragging a window to another display sometimes resizes it instead of moving it |
| 16:32.38 | EvilMachine | (i can reproduce it) |
| 16:33.22 | Torch | EvilMachine: i don't have (2) and (3) and so far have not heard of anyone else having those crashes. |
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| 16:33.51 | Torch | EvilMachine: i also don't have (6) |
| 16:34.00 | EvilMachine | 7. (perhaps related) dragging the main task bar panel (you know, the default bar) to the top of the second display made the k menu show *inside* the panel in full opened state. |
| 16:34.43 | Torch | EvilMachine: pino told you about (1). file a bug report about (4) (can't tell if this is a valid complaint, though). |
| 16:35.19 | EvilMachine | Torch: hmm, if you would package your .kde4 and accompanying dirs, i could create a user here, and test if it still happens. then i could prove that it is something outside the user profile |
| 16:35.22 | Torch | EvilMachine: file a bug report for (7). does not happen here, though. |
| 16:35.38 | Torch | EvilMachine: you certainly don't need my personal data for that ;-) |
| 16:36.33 | EvilMachine | i don't want your personal data, of course |
| 16:36.34 | EvilMachine | :) |
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| 16:36.46 | EvilMachine | i just wondered, if it's a setting |
| 16:37.38 | EvilMachine | oh, and why doesn't plasma-desktop have some kind of snapping / tiling grid with spacers? that wuold be sooo much better. :) |
| 16:37.44 | EvilMachine | *hinthint* :) |
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| 16:39.20 | EvilMachine | and also, every shortcut should be assignable to any combination of: display corners, mouse clicks (with and without modifiers), keys (already there), gestures (partially there). |
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| 16:42.06 | EvilMachine | :( ok, not many of the problems resolved. i'll check for or file bugs about 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, and will check if it's the graphics driver for 2 and 3. |
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| 17:38.52 | tsdh | Hi. How do I disable that ugly blue shadow around windows in KDE 4.5? The "Shadow" effect is disabled, but the blue shadow stays... |
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| 17:39.51 | szal | tsdh: (1) that's not a shadow, it's a glow; (2) it's Oxygen-specific, use another theme if you don't like it |
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| 17:42.06 | tsdh | szal: Ah, I see. And I cannot disable it except using another theme? |
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| 17:43.00 | szal | not that I know of |
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| 17:45.43 | James147 | tsdh: you can by disabling the Glow |
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| 17:47.31 | James147 | tsdh: in kde 4.5 its System settings > workspace Appearance > Window Decoration > "Configure Decotration" (assuming you have oxygen) > Shadow > untick "Active Windwo GLow" |
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| 17:52.00 | tsdh | James147: Thanks! |
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| 17:56.51 | piggz_ | i experience a noticable delay in notification sounds ocurring slightly after a popup......is there anything that can be tweaked? |
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| 17:58.25 | cb400f | piggz_: you could experiment with different phonon backends.. or check if the notifications in question are ogg or wav |
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| 18:00.17 | tsdh | James147: In that menu there's also a shadows option. What's the difference between these window decoration shadows and the shadows desktop effect? |
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| 18:01.43 | James147 | tsdh: dont know exactly :S but I would guess they do the same thing, but the desktop effect probally works with all window decorations |
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| 18:22.41 | markg85 | Hi, I'm wondering.. is there still the ability to "zoom out/in" with desktop activity's like there was pre KDE 4.5? |
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| 18:25.07 | cb400f | markg85: nope.. there's a new activity manager thing |
| 18:25.41 | BtbN | How do i tell Dolphin to use Explicit Encrypted FTP instead of totaly unencrypted? |
| 18:25.44 | markg85 | cb400f, i saw that :) that's why i'm asking... |
| 18:25.45 | cb400f | press ctrl+f8 to have a little bit of zoom out feeling :-) |
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| 18:26.09 | markg85 | cb400f, lol |
| 18:26.33 | markg85 | cb400f, that's not over multiple activity's.. but thanx anyway |
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| 18:27.24 | BtbN | Noone an IDE? |
| 18:27.27 | BtbN | *Idea |
| 18:28.12 | markg85 | Another question. You can have different widgets in diffetent activities, but the panels seem to be the same on all activity's... How can i change that? For example i want one activity with one panel on top and another activity with one panel at the botton... Is that possible? |
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| 18:29.58 | markg85 | cb400f, any info on that ? ^_^ |
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| 18:32.11 | leo_rockway | since I upgraded to 4.5 I haven't been able to start khotkeys and the error message is not very informative "Unable to start khotkeys". The same is happening for kxkb. How can I find out what's happening? |
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| 18:32.43 | leo_rockway | there's no meaningful error message if I start systemsettings from konsole. If I start it with kdesu, then both services start, though. |
| 18:33.03 | leo_rockway | also, I tried creating a new user with a brand new .kde4 and the error still takes place. |
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| 18:35.01 | markg85 | Do any of you guys get strange black bachground in the kde system settings thing? If i hover it a few times the backgroiund of that section gets black... don't tell me that's a feature :P |
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| 18:36.54 | markg85 | can't always reproduce it.. |
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| 18:39.47 | junkDawgie | markg85: that is caused by the ati proprietary driver, it started in 10.6 |
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| 18:40.14 | junkDawgie | i experienced it myself, you have a ATI driver? |
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| 18:43.35 | markg85 | junkDawgie, aargh... ati gives me more and more reasons to DROP it |
| 18:44.38 | junkDawgie | :) they tried some new 2D optimizations in 10.6 which borked some things, the 10.5 driver does not exhibit these problems. |
| 18:45.00 | junkDawgie | hopefully soon they'll fix it, the newer drivers perform better. |
| 18:45.40 | junkDawgie | strangely i have only seen this happen in systemsettings, and Google Earth |
| 18:45.44 | junkDawgie | no place else |
| 18:47.04 | junkDawgie | anyway, it's not a kde bug per/se |
| 18:47.09 | maybeArgh | also firefox |
| 18:49.47 | junkDawgie | good to know, i dabbled for a couple days then reverted to the 10.5 driver which runs flawlessly for me (3850HD) |
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| 18:51.41 | mokoloko | yeah 10.7 is so painfully slooooow when resizing and movin windows |
| 18:51.59 | mokoloko | slower than 10.6 |
| 18:52.25 | mokoloko | but some of the "glitches" are gone |
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| 18:53.30 | junkDawgie | off-topic, but has anyone tried running the newer drivers with the XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps parameter? |
| 18:54.14 | junkDawgie | i considered trying that solution, but frankly i didn't have the time. |
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| 18:55.18 | leo_rockway | well, if anybody has any idea of how I can start khotkeys, I'll be around. Thank you. |
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| 18:58.27 | Fri13 | Hi, is there change to get strigi to index realtime? (like when user saves or opens the file in home directory or in external media, if settings set so) |
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| 19:08.12 | js_ | does anybody here run KDE in kiosk mode? is it reliable? |
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| 19:12.56 | javier_ | js_: I have used it (the kde3 version) for setting up library clients |
| 19:13.11 | javier_ | well, that was a while ago |
| 19:16.22 | js_ | javier_: cool, were you happy with it? |
| 19:16.42 | javier_ | js_: yepp |
| 19:16.52 | js_ | splendid |
| 19:16.58 | javier_ | i couldn't lock down konqui the way i wanted it |
| 19:17.05 | javier_ | so i had to use firefox :( |
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| 19:19.41 | js_ | javier_: but you could lock that down? |
| 19:19.58 | javier_ | firefox? |
| 19:20.04 | javier_ | yes, using an addon |
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| 19:20.14 | js_ | great stuff |
| 19:20.32 | javier_ | I think it was called kiosk addon |
| 19:20.40 | sreich | js_: just try it. kde3 is entirely different from 4 |
| 19:21.01 | sreich | it's current state could be the complete opposite of what anyone says it was from kde3 |
| 19:21.17 | simulacrum | KDE3 = zombie |
| 19:21.42 | js_ | sreich: yeah, just about to |
| 19:21.48 | js_ | thanks |
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| 19:52.21 | magesha | hi |
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| 20:00.37 | Terces_ | Does anyone know where the "Find in Files" command is in KDevelop 4.0? |
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| 20:07.40 | gdebure | Terces_: In "Navigation", or using shortcut "ctrl+alt+F" |
| 20:07.54 | lemma | Terces_: according to the shortcut editor ctrl+ ... /me looks at gdebure |
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| 20:15.22 | Terces_ | gdebure: Thanks! I spent probably 15 minutes going through the menus, but I guess my eyes just kept glazing over it. |
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| 20:16.01 | dev001 | I have KDE 4.5 on OpenSUSE 11.3. I have kmix in my system-tray. I can turn the volume down to zero, and it stays that way. If I 'mute', it randomly gets turned on (e.g., launch Firefox). And 'mute on' state does not stick through reboot; boots to 'mute off' (unmuted). If I change state manually in systray, from mute off -> on, I get a loud "crrrack!" on checkbox select. |
| 20:16.14 | dev001 | I haven't yet found a related bug -- where 2 start looking for the problem? |
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| 20:17.10 | svuorela | are there any apps to help me set up my fancy XF86hotkeys to do some magic ? |
| 20:18.05 | bumbl | hi how do i get kdenetworkmanager to show cellular signal strength and network? (fedora 13, kde 4.4.5) |
| 20:18.19 | dev001 | svuorela: KDEMenus -> Personal Settings -> Shortcuts & Gestures do what you need? |
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| 20:32.21 | FiNeX | hi |
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| 20:40.16 | dfaure | anyone with kde 4.4 at hand? I need a quick test. In the filedialog, type "/h", use the completion (key_down) to select "/home/", then type the first letter of your username. Does the completion show any selected item? |
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| 20:41.20 | dfaure | (and what happens when pressing the "down" key again) |
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| 20:41.49 | lemma | dfaure: nothing selected for me. it just shows an autocompletion list containing my unselected username |
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| 20:43.39 | dfaure | oh right this was due to the klineedit code, not to the kcompletionbox code. thanks! |
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| 20:46.20 | lemma | dfaure: proud to be able to help you once :-) |
| 20:47.10 | dfaure | lemma: now I can tell you off for not using 4.5 :-) |
| 20:47.27 | lemma | dfaure: I got an excuse, I use debian packes |
| 20:47.40 | lemma | s/packes/packages/ |
| 20:47.51 | dfaure | don't even try, you know this doesn't work with me :-) |
| 20:48.02 | lemma | lol |
| 20:50.32 | FiNeX | dfaure: are you using 4.5? |
| 20:51.00 | dfaure | FiNeX: yes (on one computer; the other boots trunk. Both have both branches compiled) |
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| 20:51.36 | dfaure | FiNeX: why? |
| 20:51.47 | FiNeX | dfaure: wow... I've tried 4.5.0 on my notebook but I'm still using 4.4.5 on my workstation |
| 20:52.04 | FiNeX | I've got many performance and stability problems on 4.5.0 ;-( |
| 20:52.14 | dfaure | strange, seems fine here |
| 20:52.42 | FiNeX | dfaure: give an eye to the 4.5.0 thread on the archlinux forum... lot of people have headcaches |
| 20:52.55 | dfaure | doesn't sound very precise |
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| 20:53.26 | FiNeX | dfaure: I didn't understand if people is in trouble due to video driver problems |
| 20:53.46 | FiNeX | or due to an unclean update from 4.4.5 to 4.5.0 |
| 20:53.57 | anish | FiNeX: dfaure: i'm on arch + kde on 2 machines, no issues here |
| 20:54.02 | anish | *3 machines |
| 20:54.15 | FiNeX | anish: did you used the "testing" arch repos? |
| 20:54.50 | anish | no, not in the last 2 months |
| 20:55.15 | FiNeX | anish: and how did you installed 4.5.0? from source? |
| 20:55.25 | anish | no, updated form the repos |
| 20:55.36 | pano | FiNeX: I use the testing repos and I donât really see any KDE 4.5.0 problems |
| 20:56.03 | pano | I previously used the kde-testing repo though |
| 20:56.03 | FiNeX | anish: 4.5.0 is available only in testing |
| 20:56.38 | pano | so my upgrade path was: 4.4.5 â 4.5 RC â 4.5.0 |
| 20:56.38 | anish | FiNeX: kdemod |
| 20:56.54 | FiNeX | anish: ook |
| 20:57.04 | FiNeX | pano: and which video driver? |
| 20:57.20 | pano | FiNeX: the binary NVidia one |
| 20:57.48 | FiNeX | pano: Thanks... so it could really be a driver problem |
| 20:58.01 | anish | ati issue ? |
| 20:58.09 | pano | FiNeX: what driver are you using? and what kind of issues do you have? |
| 20:58.11 | FiNeX | anish: and intel too ;( |
| 20:58.34 | anish | i have one nvidia & 2 intels |
| 20:58.36 | dfaure | is on arch with ATI Radeon X1300 |
| 20:58.40 | anish | again, no issues here |
| 20:58.42 | FiNeX | pano: like other people I've suffered of a lot of crashes |
| 20:58.51 | FiNeX | (kwin/plasma) |
| 20:59.04 | FiNeX | but I'm still trying to understand if there is a common cause |
| 20:59.14 | anish | FiNeX: don't suppose clearing the .kde folder helped ? |
| 20:59.24 | pano | FiNeX: hmm⦠I did not have any KWin/Plasma crashes so far with 4.5.0 |
| 20:59.26 | FiNeX | someone tells it works, someone else that it crashes (like me) |
| 20:59.36 | FiNeX | anish: it was the first thought :p |
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| 21:00.48 | FiNeX | pano: anish: try to configure appearance settings from systemsettings |
| 21:00.57 | FiNeX | for example "widget style" |
| 21:01.06 | FiNeX | or try to enable the new "tiling" |
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| 21:01.54 | FiNeX | on my notebook I've a freeze with and without blur enabled (and with or without desktop effects enabled) |
| 21:02.13 | anish | blur worked fine on my binary |
| 21:02.18 | anish | don't see any issues here |
| 21:02.26 | anish | let me try on the third machine, brb |
| 21:02.30 | anish | *fine on my notebook |
| 21:02.40 | FiNeX | that's good |
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| 21:03.00 | FiNeX | This is the report on bugzilla: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246498 |
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| 21:07.02 | Fri13 | Hi, is there a change to get removable device icons to desktop as icons? |
| 21:08.16 | Fester^ | There's a widget |
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| 21:09.12 | Lynoure | Hello, what's the right way for an enduser to file a missing icon report for Oxygen? |
| 21:09.34 | FiNeX | Lynoure: well |
| 21:10.01 | pano | FiNeX: tried both, no crash/freeze/anything |
| 21:10.44 | FiNeX | Lynoure: there is a page on the techbase, check that page, if the icon has not already been reported add it, or tell me . ( http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Oxygen/KDE4_Missing_Icons ) |
| 21:11.21 | FiNeX | pano: glad to hear... so I'll have to check on my workstation with nvidia how it behave |
| 21:11.56 | Lynoure | FiNeX: alas, I have no proper screenshot as it is emblem-new that is missing |
| 21:12.00 | lemma | FiNeX, Lynoure: not sure if that page will work out. I heard it was kinda deprecated |
| 21:12.39 | FiNeX | lemma: I've worked so hard :-( |
| 21:12.43 | lemma | for devs there seems to be a way to enter missing icon requests into subversion |
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| 21:13.05 | lemma | FiNeX: if you put stuff up there, poke nuno if it's alright! |
| 21:13.13 | Lynoure | FiNeX: I'm not sure what KDE apps use it, but using some of the Gnome apps in KDE has suffered as the result (namely everything in gpodder looks already played, but that gets fixed if one copies the emblem over) |
| 21:13.14 | FiNeX | lemma: are you talking about the PHP interface I've done two years ago ? |
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| 21:13.34 | vdv | hi all |
| 21:13.37 | lemma | FiNeX: I was told about something in playground, haven't had a look. |
| 21:13.48 | lemma | is probably not the most valuable source of information on the matter |
| 21:14.02 | FiNeX | :-p |
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| 21:14.14 | vdv | is that true, that kxkb in kde4 has no "sticky language switch" feature? |
| 21:14.38 | Lynoure | lemma: If you tell me what/where the way is, maybe I can get someone to file it for me? |
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| 21:15.35 | FiNeX | lemma: Lynoure: on the #oxygen chan topic there is a link to http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Projects/Oxygen/Missing_Icons |
| 21:16.01 | vdv | anybody using kxkb here? |
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| 21:18.37 | Lynoure | FiNeX: that latter page shows to be deprecated. |
| 21:19.21 | Lynoure | FiNeX: and I assume a random end user like me does not have write access to trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/docs |
| 21:21.05 | FiNeX | Lynoure: don't worry, tell me again what is the icon, I take care about informing the right people :-) |
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| 21:22.49 | Lynoure | FiNeX: emblem-new that is, an emblem that can be used to show that something is new |
| 21:23.25 | Lynoure | A little glowing star seems to be common, or some shiny sparkles |
| 21:23.59 | FiNeX | Lynoure: ok |
| 21:25.01 | junkDawgie | is there a command to manually rebuild the iconcache? |
| 21:25.01 | Lynoure | FiNeX: thank you :) |
| 21:25.16 | dfaure | junkDawgie: yes, deleting it |
| 21:25.30 | junkDawgie | that was my last resort... thanks |
| 21:27.31 | leo_rockway | valczir: it's not starting for me, unfortunately |
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| 21:43.08 | FiNeX | Lynoure: Pinheiro says you should open a new bug report on bugs.kde.org (product Oxygen) |
| 21:43.37 | FiNeX | Lynoure: if you want you can create the new report, otherwise I will do it :) |
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| 21:54.23 | North_Italian69 | Please, increase "menu bar" fonts in konqueror? |
| 21:54.52 | North_Italian69 | Please, **HOW to increase "menu bar" fonts in konqueror? |
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| 22:02.07 | madigens | North_Italian69: try looking in systemsettings -> appearance -> fonts |
| 22:03.19 | North_Italian69 | madigens: thank you |
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| 22:25.29 | pelle_k | Anybody know when one can expect to play files in say kaffeine/dragon player from samba shares mounted with dolphin (KIO)? |
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| 22:46.59 | FiNeX | anish: lemma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8osoDGU_XTs this is a video about the bug I was talking about |
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| 23:00.00 | vdv | hi all |
| 23:00.28 | vdv | does kde4 miss kttsmgr app? |
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| 23:07.40 | anish | FiNeX: sorry for the delay |
| 23:07.45 | anish | i found a weirder bug |
| 23:07.55 | FiNeX | anish: tell me |
| 23:08.23 | anish | kde starts |
| 23:08.28 | anish | but kdm won't start AT ALL |
| 23:08.46 | anish | no log messages, nothing |
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| 23:15.43 | FiNeX | anish: even with a clean config? |
| 23:16.00 | anish | yep |
| 23:16.04 | anish | even with a clean config |
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| 23:17.21 | FiNeX | anish: let me check if it has already been reported |
| 23:18.02 | anish | didn't find anything |
| 23:19.17 | anish | anyone know how to switch from the ayatana icons back to the ones in 4.4.x ? |
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| 23:19.49 | FiNeX | anish: ayatana icons? |
| 23:20.56 | anish | the silver-white icons that are being used for klipper, kmix, battery etc |
| 23:21.33 | FiNeX | anish: come in #oxygen chan and ask directly to pinheiro... it's working on the system tray icons right now |
| 23:21.56 | anish | thanks |
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| 23:25.01 | Koshie | Hi everybody |
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| 23:25.37 | Koshie | I'm on KDE look and when I want to download a plasma theme I've a page with some word (http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/127294-Smoked%20quartz.qtcurve) but anyfile. |
| 23:26.31 | Koshie | I've Fedora 13 with KDE 4.4.5 |
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| 23:45.54 | GungaDin | for some reason klauncher doesn't pop up when I click Alt+F2... any ideas why? |
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| 23:49.45 | mpr258 | should there be a alt+F2 starter or is it a bug in my binaries? because there's no more |
| 23:50.25 | mpr258 | is there a way to get it back? |
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| 23:53.20 | James147 | mpr258: its a program called krunner... it might have crashed just rerun it to start it again |
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| 23:55.52 | chuckr | I'd appreciate a URL pointer for this: I have a new palmtop, running an Angstrom Linux, but the bookreader I want needs a KDE environment. Is there a list of kde packages that I ought to consider building? If they were in order, that'd be even better. I have a gcc already set up. |
| 23:57.19 | chuckr | Understand, KDE is too big, in itself, for the setup, but t5his bookreader needs to make use of KDE services. So, I think I won't need the GUI i5tself (I *think*) |
| 23:58.02 | chuckr | giving me a URL for a dependencies list would be hugely appreciated. |
