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00:04.33iwobblesTrying to run KLinkStatus but have forgotten the command from terminal, I tried serching for it on the hard drive but can't seem to locate it, software center tells me it is installed, I just don't know where or how to start it
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00:09.20cooldman69what is the equivalent of kpowermanagement in 4.5?
00:11.10liveusercan I get help in some problems about my fedora?
00:11.39szalliveuser: -> #fedora
00:12.05liveuserok, thanks
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00:13.16cooldman69_dced... anyone answered my question?
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00:17.36cooldman69does anyone know the kpowersave equivalent in kde 4.5?
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00:31.02gohmifuneanyway to shorten or prune the tools menu in kate?
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00:54.12djusticegohmifune: open the source? ;)
00:55.02gohmifunedjustice: See I thought abou that, but not really being good with code, I thought it might blow my mind.
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01:00.28yao_ziyuancan anyone visit http://bbs.fudan.edu.cn/bbs/tdoc?bid=130 ?
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01:23.39akSeyahi there
01:24.27akSeyafolks, how do I configure window to be translucent? like this: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Dark-Translucent+window+QtCurve+config?content=128877
01:24.53akSeyai'm running kde 4.4.5
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01:45.43vaixAnyone have problems w/ OO under KDE being highly latent (OpenSuse 11.3 - OO 3.2.1)?   Particularly around file dialog boxes?
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01:53.03Koliavaix: yes i've already seen this too
01:53.14Koliabut not systematically, i don't know how to reproduce it
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01:56.18vaixKolia: it happens to me a bunch in KDE - particularly after longer runtimes and w/ RDP - but OO makes it happen almost EVERY time.  I have no idea how to troubleshoot though - I have tried top/vmstat/iostat/etc - no hints.
01:56.52vaixI suppose I could try a strace - but i think there are many layers and not sure which processes to trace...
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03:58.18*** topic/#kde is KDE SC 4.5 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://pastebin.ca | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4
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04:19.29Digital_PioneerUrgh, 4.5 killed desktop switching with mouse wheel on desktop. I _need_ that feature!! ::P
04:20.56sreichso enable it
04:21.04Digital_PioneerIt _is_ enabled...
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04:21.36Jucatoit isn't dead for me
04:21.39sreichyou set up the mouse plugin for the desktop?
04:21.46Jucatovery very much alive
04:21.52sreich"still alive"
04:21.54Jucato(and sometimes accidentally annoying)
04:22.01Jucatolol nice one sreich
04:22.07sreich:)
04:22.49Digital_Pioneersreich: Mouse plugin?
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07:17.15DarkriftXcan someone tell me the name of the package updater in kde4?
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07:20.27diveDarkriftX, that depends on your distro
07:20.42DarkriftXi was hoping that wasnt the case
07:20.45DarkriftXim kubuntu 10.x
07:20.48DarkriftXbut that channel is dead
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07:20.56divehmm
07:21.10divedoesn't *buntu use apt-get?
07:21.10DarkriftXit keeps closing after a few days/weeks without a reason
07:21.17DarkriftXim trying to start it via console to see why
07:21.22DarkriftXit does, but there is a gui to it
07:21.27DarkriftXpackage-updater or something close
07:21.31DarkriftXi just cant find the name
07:21.41DarkriftXit sits in tray and checks for updates daily
07:21.47DarkriftXi dont wanna write a cron job to do it :(
07:21.54divemust be in the menu somewhere
07:22.00DarkriftXi dont see it
07:22.05DarkriftXhow do i list startup apps?
07:22.15DarkriftXsystem settings>startup doenst show it
07:22.16divekde 4.5?
07:22.21DarkriftXyes
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07:23.02divenormally where you said
07:23.13divesettings - startup & shutdown
07:24.23DarkriftXfound it
07:24.26DarkriftXits kpackageit
07:24.32DarkriftXfound it in services under settings
07:24.46diveI found adept
07:24.55DarkriftXbut running it doesnt place it in tray.. ill have to find that part out
07:24.55divehttp://linux.about.com/od/kubuntu_doc/a/kubudg19t01.htm
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07:27.04DarkriftXwasnt there supposed to be some hot swap kernel feature by 2010? i read years ago that kernel updates wont require reboot and it never seems to have happened
07:27.48divewell there is support for it in kernel but it needs a userspace app to make it work
07:28.03DarkriftXi hate rebooting
07:28.05diveI haven't come across one yet (not that I've looked)
07:28.08DarkriftXand kernels update often
07:28.23DarkriftXi sometimes have 2-3 kernel updates between reboots
07:28.27DarkriftXand i know that isnt really secure
07:28.32divekubuntu has a rolling release cycle doesn't it?
07:28.48DarkriftXyes but i dont think kernels are part of that
07:30.11diveyou don't need to update kernel if the one you have is working, except for security fixes
07:30.16yacwroyCould someone here that uses dolphin please tell me whether (Menu -> View -> Adjust View Properties -> Additional Information) remembers it's value if you change something, click OK, close and open it again. (I'm using dolphin from gnome). - or if I'm in the wrong place, please point me to where I should ask. Thanks.
07:31.35diveyacwroy, it seems to here - but on a folder by folder basis
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07:32.02diveIE if I set it in one folder it won't change for all folders - just for the one I set
07:32.59yacwroyI've set "Use as default for new folders" (dolphin 1.4). But regardless, if I change something, click OK then bring it up again nothing's changed.
07:33.31divehmm I'll look again
07:33.51yacwroyI was wondering if it perhaps alters a KDE config file which I don't have as a gnome user.
07:34.56diveworks here
07:35.04DarkriftXdive: is there a better apt frontend that sits in the tray and checks for updates daily that you use?
07:35.19divethat may be the case - I know kmix doesn't remember channels when used in say fluxbox
07:35.56DarkriftXits funny to loook for an apt frontend when apt is a frontend for dpkg
07:36.05diveDarkriftX, I use slackware so I use cli + I'm on the security mailing list
07:36.28DarkriftXi like cli too but i didnt want to do a cron job
07:36.33divewe don't have a rolling release cycle like most distros - just security fixes
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07:36.47DarkriftXi just hate having to do apt-update every day when there is normally not something
07:37.07DarkriftXso you dont get package updates?
07:37.16DarkriftXor are you talking the os itself
07:37.20diveonly for security or very bad bug fixes
07:37.25DarkriftXodd
07:37.36DarkriftXid hate to be a chrome user on slack :S
07:37.43yacwroyOK thanks - must be just me. I built from source so I could alter the minimum icon size constant, but I'm pretty sure that's all I did. I'll see if I can get it to debug.
07:37.48DarkriftXdamned thing updates twice a week
07:37.49diveslackware is like that - unless run slackware -current
07:38.13diveyeah but that's not a stock slackware package and I update it from slackbuilds.org now and again
07:38.21DarkriftXoh
07:38.30DarkriftXi use apt-update and upgrade
07:38.35DarkriftXfor that and almost all my other software
07:38.38divemaybe once a week or two I look to see if there's an update to chrome
07:39.03diveI tend to use konqueror now mostly anyway
07:39.09DarkriftXchrome, virtualbox, xchat, firefox.. those are the main things i check for updates for
07:40.01diveI just use cron jobs to check daily for updates and then email me if there is an update
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07:40.08DarkriftXi c
07:40.20divethen I can forget about it
07:40.21DarkriftXill prob just set a cron for the update/upgrade
07:40.24DarkriftXbut i didnt want to
07:40.30DarkriftXdont remember why
07:40.37DarkriftXbut something kept me from doing it before
07:40.59diveit's not always a good idea to do unattended upgrades in case there's a problem
07:41.07DarkriftXyeah
07:41.20DarkriftXthen again, in 4-5 years, ive never had a problem cept with a dist-upgrade
07:41.22divethat's why I just get it email me and I can do it manually so I can see what's being updated
07:41.36DarkriftXtahts why i like the kpackageit
07:41.44DarkriftXits a tray icon that shows a list, and an "apply" button
07:41.50DarkriftXits easy, and runs in the background
07:41.55diveuseful
07:41.59DarkriftXit just seems to be buggy because it always dies
07:42.12DarkriftXit sometimes works for a few days, sometimes a few weeks
07:42.14DarkriftXthen it just stops
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07:42.24DarkriftXand i dont notice for a long time when i wonder why i havent had updates recently
07:42.42DarkriftXand i dont know how to restart it as a tray icon
07:42.49DarkriftXjust the app itself, which when closed, closes it fully
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07:43.29DarkriftXoh well, im off to bed. thanks for the help
07:43.37diveno problem
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10:41.16mikeplus64Hmm, is there any way to get Wicd integration in KDE or is KDE too tied to NetworkManager?
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10:44.33Sho_there's a wicd backend for Solid I believe, but not yet for the GUI stuff (though technically possible)
10:46.04cb400fand kde is not tied to NM at all.. the NM applets are extragear... not part of the SC
10:46.20Sho_the NM applets are also not technically NM applets
10:46.26Sho_they were written with abstraction in mind
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10:47.57mikeplus64Alright then. The network managing applet thinks that I'm not on any network, but can monitor and graph network activity.
10:48.05mikeplus64lol
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12:22.48the_phi. i just upgraded form kde 4.4 to 4.5 now i can't find an option to change the plasma theme? can you tell me where i can find it?
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13:10.59litbhello folks
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13:11.25litbyesterday my KDE crashed, and since then, i can't log into my KDE anymore. everytime i try, it immediately crashes after one second of loading, and returns to KDM
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13:12.16litbif i log into windowmaker instead, and try disabling compositing by running "systemsettings" in it, it complains "Communication Problems with 'systemsettings'. It probably crashed"
13:12.20litbwhat's going on?
13:14.28pinotreedid you check your ~/.xsession-errors after a failed login?
13:15.18litboh lemme look. i just looked in Xorg.0.log.old
13:16.13litbhmm my .xsession-errors is empty
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13:17.11litbi had this problem once in the past already. i managed to disable compositing manually in the configfile. and then it worked. but i wonder why compositing once works, and then after a crash nothing else works anymore
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13:19.51litbthe errormessage for all KDE apps i try to start is "Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" : " "The name org.kde.dolphin was not provided by any .service files""
13:20.09litb(except for the name at the end)
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13:25.30litbnow, even moving away .kde4 does not help anymore. i guess something is wrong with dbus -.-
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14:12.09akSeyahi there
14:12.43akSeyafolks.. how to achieve that translucent window from http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Dark-Translucent+window+QtCurve+config?content=128877 ?
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14:21.22henshawso I noticed this with akregator in kde 4.4.5, but it also applies to konqueror: http://jefferai.org/2010/07/for-shame-the-linux-critic/ loads with apparently no article text
14:22.00henshawin fact it's way down the page, hidden by the background. the comments are right at the bottom and visible.
14:22.33henshawcan anyone confirm? the page is ok with firefox, and I think with chromium
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14:23.39henshaw(obviously it's an old article, it just showed up as new/updated in akregator for some reason)
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14:46.20damjanis it possible to run KDE without akonadi and nepomuk?
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14:46.42damjan... I'm actually not running the full KDE desktop but awesome + some of the KDE apps
14:47.16damjan.. but akonadi and nepomuk make starting those apps slow and unnecesseary
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14:47.25cb400fit's possible if you don't kopete, konversation, kdepim stuff.. and some of the krunners
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14:48.30damjaneh, I use Dolphin, Gwenview, KMail, Knode and Konversation
14:48.57cb400fkmail and konvi .. and prolly knode require akonadi if you have >= 4.4
14:49.42damjanok thanks
14:49.45cb400fbut if you use all those apps.. you still only need to start akonadi once.. so it shouldn't be so bad
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14:53.47damjantrue, it makes the from-cold-boot to usable time big
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15:37.19zapperhi
15:37.22zapperi have trouble win kwin compositing
15:37.43zapperscreen edges dont work correctly to activate any effect
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15:38.00zapperthe only one that works properly is the bottom-right corner
15:38.18zapperon the other corners i have to retry lots of times until the effect gets activated
15:38.31zapperit seems as if the activation area of those corners was out of screen
15:38.45zapperdoes anyone know how can i solve that?
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15:42.56durararahello
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15:43.08durararawhat you think to do with kanjisaver ?
15:43.18durararai have read that is not compatible with kde4
15:43.27durararayou have some idea of adopt it ?
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15:49.00icwienerdurarara: I wanted to merge kannasaver (which I roughly ported to kde 4) and kanjisaver but my free time is on vacation since then.
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16:06.21wescotteAnyone know where I can find the blue background that says KDE 3.5 in the lower right corner?
16:06.36wescotteand where does kde normally put the shared themes/background images?
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16:08.49Sho_wescotte: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/pics/wallpapers/KDE34.png?revision=497426
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16:09.05rhisaI dunno if the devs are awake but I just wanna say thanks to the KDE devs.
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16:09.53wescotteSho_: Thank you very much!
16:10.02Sho_wescotte: you're welcome :)
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16:23.12wescotteSho_: is there a way I can look at all the wallpapers from 3.5? I don't think that's the one i was looking for..
16:24.04Sho_wescotte: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/pics/wallpapers/ + http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdeartwork/wallpapers/
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16:25.26wescotteSho_: thanks again
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16:27.27Sho_my guess is you mean lineart.svgz (but you left ..)
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16:33.22any0n3ewoerner: ping?
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16:43.40srednai just installed, once again, kmplayer, because it seems to be the working solution for some websites i use quite a lot. Now i have the problem that the mplayer shortcuts for handling volume and playback is not working when mplayer runs within kmplayer, like they used to. does anyone know a solution to this?
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16:54.30cooldman69help! i broke my file manager super user mode by changing the home location settings. How can I change them??
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16:55.08cooldman69nevermind
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17:01.35srednaxspeaking of video, what do i need to do to make the html 5 video tag work for real? khtml shows a black box, but it is rarely possible to make the video actually display ?
17:01.53srednaxthis is using the xine backend for phonon
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17:06.43srednaxhm, appearently ogg videos works...
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17:10.56mplabsHello!
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17:12.46jozefkhello. I want to disable or remove Alt+Click shortcut. How can I do that?
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17:26.31litbhello folks
17:27.02litbi solved my kde start issue: it was   /var/tmp/kdecache-js that apparently contained something that made all KDE apps immediately crash once tried to be started
17:27.24litbno idea what exactly it was :)
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17:50.11djustice4.5.1 - weeee
17:52.28krikois anyone using compiz with kde? how is it working?
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17:56.52Sho_kriko: the compiz main developer does ;)
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17:57.12krikois it so much unpopular those days?
17:57.37Sho_I don't see how you can infer that from my line
17:57.58Sho_I don't know anything about compiz' popularity anyway
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18:01.33aseigokriko: many people do, and it works quite well.. compiz devs have done some very nice work to support the effects plasma needs, even
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18:02.16aseigokriko: but most people it seems use kwin these days since it is provided by default, easy to configure, integrates with the KDE apps and does a pretty great job of compositing these days
18:03.10krikoI was interested if someone have a tutorial somewhere, because compiz is quite choppy by default here
18:03.12krikoand kwin smooth
18:03.20krikobut compiz has more effects
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18:46.35cooldman69WWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOO KDE 4.5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18:47.27Digital_Pioneercooldman69: Lol
18:47.37cooldman69this place is dead had to do it lol
18:47.49cooldman69well now that someone is awake
18:48.55cooldman69do you know how to disable window previews or increase the quality ?
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19:12.17Ahmuckhi.  i did an upgrade and now i have a blank screen except for notifications.  no menu button, taskbar, icons, etc.
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19:13.55LektronHi all. The KDE Help Center shows a list of more than 40 kioslaves. With KDE 4.5, are all of the kioslaves already installed, or must they be manually installed?
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19:24.20lemmaLektron: I'd say they are all installed - don't know if all of them are in kdelibs/kdebase. some might be in kdepim(libs)
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19:27.44Lektronlemma: thanks
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19:37.31dju`Hello. How to make a zip file open in its own ark window when opening it from dolphin please?
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19:42.02junkDawgiedju`: if you right click the file and choose "Open with" you will get a list you can select from, if you want to make a permanent file association there is a checkbox on the bottom.
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19:46.15dju`junkDawgie: with the "open with" menu, it works as expected by opening a new ark window, but the file association does not work because the file opens inside dolphin
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19:47.47junkDawgiei see, you have kio_iso installed and you can open compressed files inside dolphin which would be the default behavior on click... correct?
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19:49.48dju`yes
19:50.09dju`is it possible to disable the ark integration in dolphin?
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19:54.31junkDawgiei'm not sure actually, dju`. there is no setting i recall in dolphin for this, but it might be possible to change the setting using konqueror, since it has it's own file associations and those are "usually" shared by dolphin
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20:07.10SmartVikingHello, what is the purpose of the K in KDE? It seems like the only reason it's there is because KDE can't be DE since that would be weird?
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20:07.54MinceRafaik originally it as a word play on CDE
20:09.07SmartVikingWhat i don't get is, if this K isn't so great like, it's just there for the non DE only, why does so many KDE programs choose to start with the letter?
20:10.36SmartVikingGot something here, the "K" appartantly originally stood for "Kool", thats weird
20:10.52lemmaSmartViking: yes, it did.
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20:11.05SmartVikingThats not kool
20:11.08SmartVikingjk
20:11.44lemmahehe
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20:18.32deufrai_Hi there. I'm reading about KDE's envvars (http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/Environment_Variables) and wonder where (in what init file) those can be (re)set. Any idea ?
20:19.39deufrai_I'm having a hard time having KDE remember my dualscreen setup and noticed that KDE_MULTIHEAD is set to false on my system. Thought I'd give it a try ...
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20:24.36deufrai_thiago_home: that's an empty dir on my system
20:25.11deufrai_Do I just define variables in a random file placed in that directory ?
20:25.23thiago_homeyes
20:25.50deufrai_ok, thank you
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20:53.48cooldman69has anyone tried setting default browser to chrome? Chrome refuses to become default for me
20:54.15julio-PEcooldman69: use chromium =)
20:54.36julio-PEapt-get install chromium-browser
20:54.58cooldman69wait wait they arent the samonymous terms?
20:55.23julio-PEcooldman69: chromium = Open Source... Chrome != Open Source
20:55.45cooldman69ah i see well does chromium have the extensions of chrome?
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20:56.29julio-PEcooldman69: some of them don't works =( i don't know if it works on Chrome (Linux version)
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20:58.07cooldman69man I have to compile it from source
20:58.10cooldman69im too lazy
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21:00.15cooldman69found it to make it default in system settings default programs
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21:35.16mplabsHello. Anyone here use KDevelop ?
21:36.40mplabsI can't use Kdevelop to compile some files, it just doesn't do anything. Do I have to change any configuration option ? I just installed it.
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21:43.16lemmamplabs: I'm using KDevelop4. did you create a project?
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21:45.15mplabsNo, I just open a file, I thought it was sufficient to compile it
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21:45.55Lektrontrying to mount USB thumb drive, but cannot:  "DBus.Error.AccessDenied". Does the user need to be made a member of particular group(s)?
21:46.01lemmamplabs: afaik not. IDEs are all about building projects. I might be wrong, but I think you need one if you want to compile anything in KDevelop.
21:46.42mplabsyes, maybe it's the problem. I will try, thank you
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22:31.18harry_wondering if I could get some help with System Monitor - Hard disk plasmoid?
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23:04.45cooldman69is there a way to display the running applications in the task switcher for only that desktop number?
23:05.02thiago_homeyes
23:05.10thiago_homeconfigure it to do exactly that
23:05.17thiago_homeright-click an empty area and configure it
23:06.47cooldman69thank you
23:06.49cooldman69got it
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23:09.18DoctorPepperhi guys!!!
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23:21.46lunitikHello, why won't SC 4.5.0 accept different window decoration button layouts? It remembers the setting fine, it just won't apply it.
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23:23.02DoctorPepperlunitik: it does apply
23:23.38lunitikDoctorPepper: It won't for me, running Arch
23:24.19szalyet another case of Arch b0rking ;)
23:25.38lunitikszal: eh, its a small team, and package management is a dream, I'll accept it...
23:26.17lunitiksings the praises of clyde
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23:30.48DoctorPepperis anyone aware  of any kde4 apps that can replace cairo-dock .
23:31.06thiago_homewhat does cairo-dock do?
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23:33.09lunitikthiago_home: it provides a dock like OS X, and uses cairo to render it?
23:33.53thiago_homeno, I don't know of any visually-similar replacements
23:34.07thiago_homefunctionally, plasma does it
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23:34.09lunitikwonders why you can't just use cairo-dock on KDE?
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23:34.41piggzis there any graphics on the kde website that can be used as links on other sites?
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23:55.03lunitikpiggz: there is a whole page dedicated to exactly that, hold on
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23:57.04lunitikhttp://community.kde.org/Promo/Branding/Software_Label
23:58.25piggzcheers

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