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00:09.20 | cooldman69 | what is the equivalent of kpowermanagement in 4.5? |
00:11.10 | liveuser | can I get help in some problems about my fedora? |
00:11.39 | szal | liveuser: -> #fedora |
00:12.05 | liveuser | ok, thanks |
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00:54.12 | djustice | gohmifune: open the source? ;) |
00:55.02 | gohmifune | djustice: See I thought abou that, but not really being good with code, I thought it might blow my mind. |
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01:24.27 | akSeya | folks, how do I configure window to be translucent? like this: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Dark-Translucent+window+QtCurve+config?content=128877 |
01:24.53 | akSeya | i'm running kde 4.4.5 |
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01:45.43 | vaix | Anyone have problems w/ OO under KDE being highly latent (OpenSuse 11.3 - OO 3.2.1)? Particularly around file dialog boxes? |
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01:53.03 | Kolia | vaix: yes i've already seen this too |
01:53.14 | Kolia | but not systematically, i don't know how to reproduce it |
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01:56.18 | vaix | Kolia: it happens to me a bunch in KDE - particularly after longer runtimes and w/ RDP - but OO makes it happen almost EVERY time. I have no idea how to troubleshoot though - I have tried top/vmstat/iostat/etc - no hints. |
01:56.52 | vaix | I suppose I could try a strace - but i think there are many layers and not sure which processes to trace... |
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03:58.18 | *** topic/#kde is KDE SC 4.5 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://pastebin.ca | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 |
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04:19.29 | Digital_Pioneer | Urgh, 4.5 killed desktop switching with mouse wheel on desktop. I _need_ that feature!! ::P |
04:20.56 | sreich | so enable it |
04:21.04 | Digital_Pioneer | It _is_ enabled... |
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04:21.36 | Jucato | it isn't dead for me |
04:21.39 | sreich | you set up the mouse plugin for the desktop? |
04:21.46 | Jucato | very very much alive |
04:21.52 | sreich | "still alive" |
04:21.54 | Jucato | (and sometimes accidentally annoying) |
04:22.01 | Jucato | lol nice one sreich |
04:22.07 | sreich | :) |
04:22.49 | Digital_Pioneer | sreich: Mouse plugin? |
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07:17.15 | DarkriftX | can someone tell me the name of the package updater in kde4? |
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07:20.27 | dive | DarkriftX, that depends on your distro |
07:20.42 | DarkriftX | i was hoping that wasnt the case |
07:20.45 | DarkriftX | im kubuntu 10.x |
07:20.48 | DarkriftX | but that channel is dead |
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07:20.56 | dive | hmm |
07:21.10 | dive | doesn't *buntu use apt-get? |
07:21.10 | DarkriftX | it keeps closing after a few days/weeks without a reason |
07:21.17 | DarkriftX | im trying to start it via console to see why |
07:21.22 | DarkriftX | it does, but there is a gui to it |
07:21.27 | DarkriftX | package-updater or something close |
07:21.31 | DarkriftX | i just cant find the name |
07:21.41 | DarkriftX | it sits in tray and checks for updates daily |
07:21.47 | DarkriftX | i dont wanna write a cron job to do it :( |
07:21.54 | dive | must be in the menu somewhere |
07:22.00 | DarkriftX | i dont see it |
07:22.05 | DarkriftX | how do i list startup apps? |
07:22.15 | DarkriftX | system settings>startup doenst show it |
07:22.16 | dive | kde 4.5? |
07:22.21 | DarkriftX | yes |
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07:23.02 | dive | normally where you said |
07:23.13 | dive | settings - startup & shutdown |
07:24.23 | DarkriftX | found it |
07:24.26 | DarkriftX | its kpackageit |
07:24.32 | DarkriftX | found it in services under settings |
07:24.46 | dive | I found adept |
07:24.55 | DarkriftX | but running it doesnt place it in tray.. ill have to find that part out |
07:24.55 | dive | http://linux.about.com/od/kubuntu_doc/a/kubudg19t01.htm |
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07:27.04 | DarkriftX | wasnt there supposed to be some hot swap kernel feature by 2010? i read years ago that kernel updates wont require reboot and it never seems to have happened |
07:27.48 | dive | well there is support for it in kernel but it needs a userspace app to make it work |
07:28.03 | DarkriftX | i hate rebooting |
07:28.05 | dive | I haven't come across one yet (not that I've looked) |
07:28.08 | DarkriftX | and kernels update often |
07:28.23 | DarkriftX | i sometimes have 2-3 kernel updates between reboots |
07:28.27 | DarkriftX | and i know that isnt really secure |
07:28.32 | dive | kubuntu has a rolling release cycle doesn't it? |
07:28.48 | DarkriftX | yes but i dont think kernels are part of that |
07:30.11 | dive | you don't need to update kernel if the one you have is working, except for security fixes |
07:30.16 | yacwroy | Could someone here that uses dolphin please tell me whether (Menu -> View -> Adjust View Properties -> Additional Information) remembers it's value if you change something, click OK, close and open it again. (I'm using dolphin from gnome). - or if I'm in the wrong place, please point me to where I should ask. Thanks. |
07:31.35 | dive | yacwroy, it seems to here - but on a folder by folder basis |
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07:32.02 | dive | IE if I set it in one folder it won't change for all folders - just for the one I set |
07:32.59 | yacwroy | I've set "Use as default for new folders" (dolphin 1.4). But regardless, if I change something, click OK then bring it up again nothing's changed. |
07:33.31 | dive | hmm I'll look again |
07:33.51 | yacwroy | I was wondering if it perhaps alters a KDE config file which I don't have as a gnome user. |
07:34.56 | dive | works here |
07:35.04 | DarkriftX | dive: is there a better apt frontend that sits in the tray and checks for updates daily that you use? |
07:35.19 | dive | that may be the case - I know kmix doesn't remember channels when used in say fluxbox |
07:35.56 | DarkriftX | its funny to loook for an apt frontend when apt is a frontend for dpkg |
07:36.05 | dive | DarkriftX, I use slackware so I use cli + I'm on the security mailing list |
07:36.28 | DarkriftX | i like cli too but i didnt want to do a cron job |
07:36.33 | dive | we don't have a rolling release cycle like most distros - just security fixes |
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07:36.47 | DarkriftX | i just hate having to do apt-update every day when there is normally not something |
07:37.07 | DarkriftX | so you dont get package updates? |
07:37.16 | DarkriftX | or are you talking the os itself |
07:37.20 | dive | only for security or very bad bug fixes |
07:37.25 | DarkriftX | odd |
07:37.36 | DarkriftX | id hate to be a chrome user on slack :S |
07:37.43 | yacwroy | OK thanks - must be just me. I built from source so I could alter the minimum icon size constant, but I'm pretty sure that's all I did. I'll see if I can get it to debug. |
07:37.48 | DarkriftX | damned thing updates twice a week |
07:37.49 | dive | slackware is like that - unless run slackware -current |
07:38.13 | dive | yeah but that's not a stock slackware package and I update it from slackbuilds.org now and again |
07:38.21 | DarkriftX | oh |
07:38.30 | DarkriftX | i use apt-update and upgrade |
07:38.35 | DarkriftX | for that and almost all my other software |
07:38.38 | dive | maybe once a week or two I look to see if there's an update to chrome |
07:39.03 | dive | I tend to use konqueror now mostly anyway |
07:39.09 | DarkriftX | chrome, virtualbox, xchat, firefox.. those are the main things i check for updates for |
07:40.01 | dive | I just use cron jobs to check daily for updates and then email me if there is an update |
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07:40.08 | DarkriftX | i c |
07:40.20 | dive | then I can forget about it |
07:40.21 | DarkriftX | ill prob just set a cron for the update/upgrade |
07:40.24 | DarkriftX | but i didnt want to |
07:40.30 | DarkriftX | dont remember why |
07:40.37 | DarkriftX | but something kept me from doing it before |
07:40.59 | dive | it's not always a good idea to do unattended upgrades in case there's a problem |
07:41.07 | DarkriftX | yeah |
07:41.20 | DarkriftX | then again, in 4-5 years, ive never had a problem cept with a dist-upgrade |
07:41.22 | dive | that's why I just get it email me and I can do it manually so I can see what's being updated |
07:41.36 | DarkriftX | tahts why i like the kpackageit |
07:41.44 | DarkriftX | its a tray icon that shows a list, and an "apply" button |
07:41.50 | DarkriftX | its easy, and runs in the background |
07:41.55 | dive | useful |
07:41.59 | DarkriftX | it just seems to be buggy because it always dies |
07:42.12 | DarkriftX | it sometimes works for a few days, sometimes a few weeks |
07:42.14 | DarkriftX | then it just stops |
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07:42.24 | DarkriftX | and i dont notice for a long time when i wonder why i havent had updates recently |
07:42.42 | DarkriftX | and i dont know how to restart it as a tray icon |
07:42.49 | DarkriftX | just the app itself, which when closed, closes it fully |
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07:43.29 | DarkriftX | oh well, im off to bed. thanks for the help |
07:43.37 | dive | no problem |
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10:41.16 | mikeplus64 | Hmm, is there any way to get Wicd integration in KDE or is KDE too tied to NetworkManager? |
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10:44.33 | Sho_ | there's a wicd backend for Solid I believe, but not yet for the GUI stuff (though technically possible) |
10:46.04 | cb400f | and kde is not tied to NM at all.. the NM applets are extragear... not part of the SC |
10:46.20 | Sho_ | the NM applets are also not technically NM applets |
10:46.26 | Sho_ | they were written with abstraction in mind |
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10:47.57 | mikeplus64 | Alright then. The network managing applet thinks that I'm not on any network, but can monitor and graph network activity. |
10:48.05 | mikeplus64 | lol |
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12:22.48 | the_p | hi. i just upgraded form kde 4.4 to 4.5 now i can't find an option to change the plasma theme? can you tell me where i can find it? |
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12:30.09 | dequire_ | the_p: System Settings > Workspace Appearance |
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13:10.59 | litb | hello folks |
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13:11.25 | litb | yesterday my KDE crashed, and since then, i can't log into my KDE anymore. everytime i try, it immediately crashes after one second of loading, and returns to KDM |
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13:12.16 | litb | if i log into windowmaker instead, and try disabling compositing by running "systemsettings" in it, it complains "Communication Problems with 'systemsettings'. It probably crashed" |
13:12.20 | litb | what's going on? |
13:14.28 | pinotree | did you check your ~/.xsession-errors after a failed login? |
13:15.18 | litb | oh lemme look. i just looked in Xorg.0.log.old |
13:16.13 | litb | hmm my .xsession-errors is empty |
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13:17.11 | litb | i had this problem once in the past already. i managed to disable compositing manually in the configfile. and then it worked. but i wonder why compositing once works, and then after a crash nothing else works anymore |
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13:19.51 | litb | the errormessage for all KDE apps i try to start is "Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" : " "The name org.kde.dolphin was not provided by any .service files"" |
13:20.09 | litb | (except for the name at the end) |
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13:25.30 | litb | now, even moving away .kde4 does not help anymore. i guess something is wrong with dbus -.- |
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14:12.09 | akSeya | hi there |
14:12.43 | akSeya | folks.. how to achieve that translucent window from http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Dark-Translucent+window+QtCurve+config?content=128877 ? |
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14:14.26 | akSeya | i upgraded from 4.4.5 to 4.5.. i tried everything i could imagine.. |
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14:21.22 | henshaw | so I noticed this with akregator in kde 4.4.5, but it also applies to konqueror: http://jefferai.org/2010/07/for-shame-the-linux-critic/ loads with apparently no article text |
14:22.00 | henshaw | in fact it's way down the page, hidden by the background. the comments are right at the bottom and visible. |
14:22.33 | henshaw | can anyone confirm? the page is ok with firefox, and I think with chromium |
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14:23.39 | henshaw | (obviously it's an old article, it just showed up as new/updated in akregator for some reason) |
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14:46.20 | damjan | is it possible to run KDE without akonadi and nepomuk? |
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14:46.42 | damjan | ... I'm actually not running the full KDE desktop but awesome + some of the KDE apps |
14:47.16 | damjan | .. but akonadi and nepomuk make starting those apps slow and unnecesseary |
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14:47.25 | cb400f | it's possible if you don't kopete, konversation, kdepim stuff.. and some of the krunners |
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14:48.30 | damjan | eh, I use Dolphin, Gwenview, KMail, Knode and Konversation |
14:48.57 | cb400f | kmail and konvi .. and prolly knode require akonadi if you have >= 4.4 |
14:49.42 | damjan | ok thanks |
14:49.45 | cb400f | but if you use all those apps.. you still only need to start akonadi once.. so it shouldn't be so bad |
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14:53.47 | damjan | true, it makes the from-cold-boot to usable time big |
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15:05.38 | Europa | hoi |
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15:37.19 | zapper | hi |
15:37.22 | zapper | i have trouble win kwin compositing |
15:37.43 | zapper | screen edges dont work correctly to activate any effect |
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15:38.00 | zapper | the only one that works properly is the bottom-right corner |
15:38.18 | zapper | on the other corners i have to retry lots of times until the effect gets activated |
15:38.31 | zapper | it seems as if the activation area of those corners was out of screen |
15:38.45 | zapper | does anyone know how can i solve that? |
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15:42.56 | durarara | hello |
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15:43.08 | durarara | what you think to do with kanjisaver ? |
15:43.18 | durarara | i have read that is not compatible with kde4 |
15:43.27 | durarara | you have some idea of adopt it ? |
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15:49.00 | icwiener | durarara: I wanted to merge kannasaver (which I roughly ported to kde 4) and kanjisaver but my free time is on vacation since then. |
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16:06.21 | wescotte | Anyone know where I can find the blue background that says KDE 3.5 in the lower right corner? |
16:06.36 | wescotte | and where does kde normally put the shared themes/background images? |
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16:08.49 | Sho_ | wescotte: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/pics/wallpapers/KDE34.png?revision=497426 |
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16:09.05 | rhisa | I dunno if the devs are awake but I just wanna say thanks to the KDE devs. |
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16:09.53 | wescotte | Sho_: Thank you very much! |
16:10.02 | Sho_ | wescotte: you're welcome :) |
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16:23.12 | wescotte | Sho_: is there a way I can look at all the wallpapers from 3.5? I don't think that's the one i was looking for.. |
16:24.04 | Sho_ | wescotte: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/pics/wallpapers/ + http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdeartwork/wallpapers/ |
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16:25.26 | wescotte | Sho_: thanks again |
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16:27.27 | Sho_ | my guess is you mean lineart.svgz (but you left ..) |
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16:33.22 | any0n3 | ewoerner: ping? |
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16:41.47 | sredna | hi |
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16:43.40 | sredna | i just installed, once again, kmplayer, because it seems to be the working solution for some websites i use quite a lot. Now i have the problem that the mplayer shortcuts for handling volume and playback is not working when mplayer runs within kmplayer, like they used to. does anyone know a solution to this? |
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16:54.30 | cooldman69 | help! i broke my file manager super user mode by changing the home location settings. How can I change them?? |
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16:55.08 | cooldman69 | nevermind |
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17:01.35 | srednax | speaking of video, what do i need to do to make the html 5 video tag work for real? khtml shows a black box, but it is rarely possible to make the video actually display ? |
17:01.53 | srednax | this is using the xine backend for phonon |
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17:06.43 | srednax | hm, appearently ogg videos works... |
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17:10.56 | mplabs | Hello! |
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17:12.46 | jozefk | hello. I want to disable or remove Alt+Click shortcut. How can I do that? |
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17:26.31 | litb | hello folks |
17:27.02 | litb | i solved my kde start issue: it was /var/tmp/kdecache-js that apparently contained something that made all KDE apps immediately crash once tried to be started |
17:27.24 | litb | no idea what exactly it was :) |
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17:50.11 | djustice | 4.5.1 - weeee |
17:52.28 | kriko | is anyone using compiz with kde? how is it working? |
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17:56.52 | Sho_ | kriko: the compiz main developer does ;) |
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17:57.12 | kriko | is it so much unpopular those days? |
17:57.37 | Sho_ | I don't see how you can infer that from my line |
17:57.58 | Sho_ | I don't know anything about compiz' popularity anyway |
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18:01.33 | aseigo | kriko: many people do, and it works quite well.. compiz devs have done some very nice work to support the effects plasma needs, even |
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18:02.16 | aseigo | kriko: but most people it seems use kwin these days since it is provided by default, easy to configure, integrates with the KDE apps and does a pretty great job of compositing these days |
18:03.10 | kriko | I was interested if someone have a tutorial somewhere, because compiz is quite choppy by default here |
18:03.12 | kriko | and kwin smooth |
18:03.20 | kriko | but compiz has more effects |
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18:46.35 | cooldman69 | WWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOO KDE 4.5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
18:47.27 | Digital_Pioneer | cooldman69: Lol |
18:47.37 | cooldman69 | this place is dead had to do it lol |
18:47.49 | cooldman69 | well now that someone is awake |
18:48.55 | cooldman69 | do you know how to disable window previews or increase the quality ? |
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18:55.11 | Sanitoeter | hi. The default cpu plotter and the network meter in ksysguard don't have any sensors attached. How can I fix this? |
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19:12.17 | Ahmuck | hi. i did an upgrade and now i have a blank screen except for notifications. no menu button, taskbar, icons, etc. |
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19:13.55 | Lektron | Hi all. The KDE Help Center shows a list of more than 40 kioslaves. With KDE 4.5, are all of the kioslaves already installed, or must they be manually installed? |
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19:24.20 | lemma | Lektron: I'd say they are all installed - don't know if all of them are in kdelibs/kdebase. some might be in kdepim(libs) |
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19:27.44 | Lektron | lemma: thanks |
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19:37.31 | dju` | Hello. How to make a zip file open in its own ark window when opening it from dolphin please? |
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19:42.02 | junkDawgie | dju`: if you right click the file and choose "Open with" you will get a list you can select from, if you want to make a permanent file association there is a checkbox on the bottom. |
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19:46.15 | dju` | junkDawgie: with the "open with" menu, it works as expected by opening a new ark window, but the file association does not work because the file opens inside dolphin |
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19:47.47 | junkDawgie | i see, you have kio_iso installed and you can open compressed files inside dolphin which would be the default behavior on click... correct? |
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19:49.48 | dju` | yes |
19:50.09 | dju` | is it possible to disable the ark integration in dolphin? |
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19:54.31 | junkDawgie | i'm not sure actually, dju`. there is no setting i recall in dolphin for this, but it might be possible to change the setting using konqueror, since it has it's own file associations and those are "usually" shared by dolphin |
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20:07.10 | SmartViking | Hello, what is the purpose of the K in KDE? It seems like the only reason it's there is because KDE can't be DE since that would be weird? |
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20:07.54 | MinceR | afaik originally it as a word play on CDE |
20:09.07 | SmartViking | What i don't get is, if this K isn't so great like, it's just there for the non DE only, why does so many KDE programs choose to start with the letter? |
20:10.36 | SmartViking | Got something here, the "K" appartantly originally stood for "Kool", thats weird |
20:10.52 | lemma | SmartViking: yes, it did. |
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20:11.05 | SmartViking | Thats not kool |
20:11.08 | SmartViking | jk |
20:11.44 | lemma | hehe |
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20:18.32 | deufrai_ | Hi there. I'm reading about KDE's envvars (http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/Environment_Variables) and wonder where (in what init file) those can be (re)set. Any idea ? |
20:19.39 | deufrai_ | I'm having a hard time having KDE remember my dualscreen setup and noticed that KDE_MULTIHEAD is set to false on my system. Thought I'd give it a try ... |
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20:23.45 | thiago_home | <PROTECTED> |
20:24.36 | deufrai_ | thiago_home: that's an empty dir on my system |
20:25.11 | deufrai_ | Do I just define variables in a random file placed in that directory ? |
20:25.23 | thiago_home | yes |
20:25.50 | deufrai_ | ok, thank you |
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20:53.48 | cooldman69 | has anyone tried setting default browser to chrome? Chrome refuses to become default for me |
20:54.15 | julio-PE | cooldman69: use chromium =) |
20:54.36 | julio-PE | apt-get install chromium-browser |
20:54.58 | cooldman69 | wait wait they arent the samonymous terms? |
20:55.23 | julio-PE | cooldman69: chromium = Open Source... Chrome != Open Source |
20:55.45 | cooldman69 | ah i see well does chromium have the extensions of chrome? |
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20:56.29 | julio-PE | cooldman69: some of them don't works =( i don't know if it works on Chrome (Linux version) |
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20:58.07 | cooldman69 | man I have to compile it from source |
20:58.10 | cooldman69 | im too lazy |
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21:00.15 | cooldman69 | found it to make it default in system settings default programs |
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21:35.16 | mplabs | Hello. Anyone here use KDevelop ? |
21:36.40 | mplabs | I can't use Kdevelop to compile some files, it just doesn't do anything. Do I have to change any configuration option ? I just installed it. |
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21:43.16 | lemma | mplabs: I'm using KDevelop4. did you create a project? |
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21:45.15 | mplabs | No, I just open a file, I thought it was sufficient to compile it |
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21:45.55 | Lektron | trying to mount USB thumb drive, but cannot: "DBus.Error.AccessDenied". Does the user need to be made a member of particular group(s)? |
21:46.01 | lemma | mplabs: afaik not. IDEs are all about building projects. I might be wrong, but I think you need one if you want to compile anything in KDevelop. |
21:46.42 | mplabs | yes, maybe it's the problem. I will try, thank you |
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22:31.18 | harry_ | wondering if I could get some help with System Monitor - Hard disk plasmoid? |
22:31.55 | harry_ | it is ahowing 1 drive & 1 partition as "not accessable" but it is accessable to the rest of the system |
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23:04.45 | cooldman69 | is there a way to display the running applications in the task switcher for only that desktop number? |
23:05.02 | thiago_home | yes |
23:05.10 | thiago_home | configure it to do exactly that |
23:05.17 | thiago_home | right-click an empty area and configure it |
23:06.47 | cooldman69 | thank you |
23:06.49 | cooldman69 | got it |
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23:09.18 | DoctorPepper | hi guys!!! |
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23:21.46 | lunitik | Hello, why won't SC 4.5.0 accept different window decoration button layouts? It remembers the setting fine, it just won't apply it. |
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23:23.02 | DoctorPepper | lunitik: it does apply |
23:23.38 | lunitik | DoctorPepper: It won't for me, running Arch |
23:24.19 | szal | yet another case of Arch b0rking ;) |
23:25.38 | lunitik | szal: eh, its a small team, and package management is a dream, I'll accept it... |
23:26.17 | lunitik | sings the praises of clyde |
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23:30.48 | DoctorPepper | is anyone aware of any kde4 apps that can replace cairo-dock . |
23:31.06 | thiago_home | what does cairo-dock do? |
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23:33.09 | lunitik | thiago_home: it provides a dock like OS X, and uses cairo to render it? |
23:33.53 | thiago_home | no, I don't know of any visually-similar replacements |
23:34.07 | thiago_home | functionally, plasma does it |
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23:34.09 | lunitik | wonders why you can't just use cairo-dock on KDE? |
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23:34.41 | piggz | is there any graphics on the kde website that can be used as links on other sites? |
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23:55.03 | lunitik | piggz: there is a whole page dedicated to exactly that, hold on |
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23:57.04 | lunitik | http://community.kde.org/Promo/Branding/Software_Label |
23:58.25 | piggz | cheers |