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00:29.42maazubye all
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00:39.59crocketWhen I click the wallpaper, conky disppaers in KDE4.
00:40.03crocketWhat can I do to solve this problem?
00:40.04crocketWhat works?
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02:12.42kollahow do one get a screensize gadget in the system tray, or is there some panel applet that one can use?
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02:16.30Sho_kolla: krandrtray
02:17.49kollasounds right
02:21.11kollathanks
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02:42.54ranguvarAnyone know how to make KDE 4.5 restart without killing X?  I remember you used to be able to  kill a process and then start it again
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03:01.29dasKreechranguvar: logout ?
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03:13.54leahcimLogging out quits the xserver.
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03:19.44ranguvarI'd like to preserve my currently running X apps, yeah
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03:43.29TukekeHasta la Victoria Siempre ¡Venceremos!
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03:52.42EffBeeleahcim: It depends on the DM actually
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03:52.54EffBeeI think KDM has an option to log out without restarting X.org Server
03:53.04EffBeeBut use with care
03:53.42leahcimOdd. Given X is hardly leak-free I can't see why you wouldn't want to take the (free) opportunity...
03:54.13EffBeeNow, I have a question. Is there a way to have plasma-desktop start using the raster graphicssystem automatically? It's so much faster than the default one with no loss in functionality.
03:54.58EffBeeEG. resizing the analog clock widget isn't a slideshow
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04:04.31Sho_EffBee: Qt 4.7.0 recognizes a QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM environment variable
04:05.16Sho_(possibly also older versions if your distro picked up that patch from KDE's patched copy of Qt's source tree)
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04:15.32EffBeeOh, well I got it working by editing the relevant file in /usr/share/autostart/
04:15.49EffBeeI'll try the environment variable
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04:26.07EffBeeThis is so much better
04:26.16EffBeeI can actually see the taskbar animations now, lol
04:31.59dasKreech:)
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05:05.47[mva]hi there!
05:07.44[mva]PowerDevil using deprecated /proc/acpi/battery/BAT${N}/ instead of new /sys/bus/acpi/drivers/battery/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT{$N}/ . And if i switch off deprecated /proc/acpi in kernel it can't work with battery in my laptop.
05:08.02[mva]should I post bug, or nobody cares? :))
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05:15.28EffBee[mva]: There was a Solid sprint lately, so I believe a lot of the hardware subsystems were revamped, so the issue might be fixed on svn
05:16.21[mva]oh...
05:16.30EffBeeI'm not sure though
05:16.43[mva]I use svn on desktopm but there is no batteries >_<
05:16.56[mva]okay, i'll try svn on laptop :)
05:16.58EffBeeThe nice thing about Solid is that you can easily exchange backends for stuff like power management
05:17.07EffBeeIf not, post a bug
05:18.29EffBeeThe current backend uses HAL, which ideally should be dumped for something more recent
05:18.31EffBeeBut it's possible
05:20.01[mva]btw, 8-10 hours ago - one of servers, that has "anonsvn.kde.org" (188.40) worked so crappy.
05:21.15[mva]and i get netwok errors, while trying to fetch some code. adding 173.13 server to hosts fix the problem, but i think, somebody should fix 188.40 server ;)
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06:11.15NinkasiCould anybody give me a hint how to create a vertical panel in KDE 4.4.5 (on Gentoo)
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06:13.35thiago_homeadd a panel and drag it to the side of the screen you want it in
06:14.37NinkasiCan't drag panels, but apparently if I create a horizontal panel near one corner, then create a second panel the second one starts out vertical :-/
06:15.15thiago_homeyou can drag panels
06:15.36NinkasiI can't
06:15.54thiago_homebut it's possible
06:16.20thiago_homeright-click the panel, panel options, configure panel
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06:19.04NinkasiDude, none of that crap exists, and I can't drag any panels, but thanks for your help anyway, Perhaps my system is just borked
06:19.33thiago_homecan you see Panel Options in the menu when you rigt-click the panel?
06:19.37thiago_homethe plasma panel
06:19.48Ninkasipanel settings yes
06:20.00Ninkasiit brings up the configuration bar thingymajig
06:20.15thiago_homenow drag the "Screen Edge" thingie
06:20.31Ninkasileft click? it's not doing anything
06:20.38thiago_home*drag*
06:20.48Ninkasiaha, you're right
06:21.13NinkasiIt threw me because you have to drag it like across the screeen
06:21.59thiago_homedrag it to the screen side you want it in
06:22.15Ninkasifunny thing though, on vertical panel there is a widget thing near the very bottom, near the cashew "remove this panel" "Panel tool box"
06:22.27Ninkasiand it cannot be removed :-/
06:24.21Ninkasiah, if panel is locked it disappears, awesome
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06:46.15leahcimponders.
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08:05.30EskimoBobHi KDE team. Thank you for fracking up a perfectly working system and this excellent mail client kmail, by adding something as idiotic as akonady+mysql. Thank you!
08:06.52cb400fare you using kdepim 4.5 beta?
08:08.28annmaEskimoBob: report any precise bug to bugs.kde.org
08:08.43pinotree(possibly without the insults)
08:08.58annmaand here ask specifics instead of being impolite
08:09.11lemmaplease
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08:14.56EskimoBobno, I am done reporting bugs etc. I have used KDE for 8+ years but this akonadi crap and all the related BS is like a disease that ruined the whole KDE experience.
08:15.26annmawell then
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08:17.08cb400fwell.. either you're using a beta.. or you're not using akonadified kmail
08:17.27thiago_homeif you don't report the bug, nothing will get done, so things will stay as they are
08:17.44thiago_homeyou might as well move on to a different mail reader and save us from listening to your rant
08:17.58cb400f.. and secondly.. it's way too soon to judge akonadified pim
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08:22.19EskimoBobit is not a bug. whole akonadi b s  is a systm wide flaw. :)
08:23.03pinotreenote your attitude just adds yourself to that BS
08:23.23annmamaybe you can tell #akonadi
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08:27.12shadyabhiHow can I move my kde panel from bottom to top Drag & Drop not working
08:27.55cb400funlock widgets.. click on cashew in right edge of panel... in the panel configuration dialog, pull on "screen edge" button
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08:28.59leahcimSpeaking of panels, if I have two panels at the bottom of the screen, how do I get it so that they don't both overlap each other? Or is this yet another KDE3 feature deemed not worthy of inclusion in KDE4? :P
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08:29.36thiago_homeleahcim: I think it's a feature not implemented yet
08:29.49leahcimI think you mean "no longer implemented" :P
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08:30.08thiago_homeleahcim: no, I don't
08:30.13thiago_homeleahcim: I mean "not implemented yet"
08:30.28thiago_homeplasma has never had this feature
08:30.38thiago_homekicker had it, but it's a different application
08:30.50leahcimplasma's predecessor did have that feature though...
08:31.29thiago_homeyes, but like I said, different application. Since plasma is a new one, not all features have been implemented yet
08:31.40leahcimnods.
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08:32.56leahcimIs system-monitor based on ksysguard, or is that a rewrite too?
08:33.10thiago_homeit is ksysguard
08:33.27leahcimHmm.
08:33.45leahcimHow come I can't stack sensors any more?
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08:34.47leahcimpreferred area graphs to line graphs.
08:35.58Kame2leahcim: it is a design decision to not support stacking of panels.
08:36.17leahcim*insert sadface here*
08:36.45Kame2but there is a big fat 'but' ;)
08:37.02thiago_homeI don't know about this one
08:37.05thiago_homeask the developer
08:37.15thiago_homeI know ksysguard received a huge facelift and refactor
08:37.23Kame2plasma is very modular, so it might be possible to get stacked panels with some sort of plugin.
08:37.57Kame2but someone has to develop it, and the plasma devs have other work to do
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09:24.46alinmorning... I cannot get the indicator  keyboard layout indicator working on kde trunk http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-keyboard
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09:34.55annmaalin: it works for me
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09:35.59alinannma: you are lucky then...
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09:36.35annmahow could I debug what's up for you
09:36.53annmais it because of too many icons on systray?
09:36.58alinannma: I will see maybe things will come round for me with the new trunk
09:37.08annmait always worked for me
09:37.15annmaso there is a reason for you
09:37.32alinannma: it worked for me too... this is just a clean install
09:37.41annmaI run default KDE so I don't have many systray icons and I use default theme
09:37.46annmaso
09:37.48alinannma: I have another machine on which it works
09:37.49annmaexplain better
09:37.53annmaah
09:38.10thomasjHi. I use the old ksensors to control/watch my HDD temp. Is there really no KDE4 equivalent or am i just too blind to find it. Looks like no plasmoid (ksysguard neither) is able to show the HDD temp.
09:38.15annmamine is a clean install very recent
09:38.20thomasjSpeaking of 4.5.2 with Qt-4.7 here
09:38.29alinannma: I am on opensuse branding and I use oxygen, and the last trunk here had some issues with the icons
09:38.43annmawith what icons?
09:39.06thomasjThey can do acpitz and core temps. That's it.
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09:40.50annmaalin: if you back up your kxkbrc file and try again, will the icon show?
09:41.39alinannma: where is that file?
09:41.58annmain kde4-config --localprefix
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09:42.12alinannma: I had to do some magic to get the some icons up
09:42.15annmatype in Konsole kde4-config --localprefix
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09:42.38alin~/.kde4
09:42.39annmaalin: either there is a bug and you need to expose it or not
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09:42.49annmaso .kde4/share/config
09:43.00gdeburethomasj: hi :)
09:43.00annmalog out, backup this file, and log in
09:43.08thomasjhi gdebur! :)
09:43.09gdeburethomasj: maybe this http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+System+Monitor?content=86664
09:43.22thomasjops gdebure (failed the tab completion)
09:43.31gdebureit's an skz, not really a plasmoid, but still...
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09:44.45alinannma: the same... I checked the space for icons and the same issue... removed some and nothing new
09:45.24thomasjgdebure, yeah i had that one some time ago, should re-try it, thanks man :) But TBH i'm searching for something i can put in my panel.
09:45.55thomasjThe ksensors thing runs in lives in systray
09:46.05annmaalin: what if you show label
09:46.15gdeburethomasj: is there a dataengine containing this information ?
09:46.23annmaalin: pastebin your kxkbrc file please
09:46.31thomasjgdebure, btw how you're doing?
09:47.01gdeburethomasj: not too bad :)
09:47.07gdeburehow about you ?
09:47.11thomasjgdebure, good question. I only know ksensors can show the info, everything else not.
09:47.20thomasjgdebure, fine, tired, but fine :)
09:47.53gdeburethomasj: launch thus app : plasmaengineexplorer
09:47.57gdebure*this
09:48.12thomasjMaybe i should get my butt up and port ksensors to KDE4
09:48.31gdeburethomasj: might be easier than you think ;)
09:48.47gdeburedataengine + scripted plasmoid is the way to go \m/
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09:49.19alinannma: http://paste.opensuse.org/33954950
09:49.34thomasjLooks like no dataengine, only email, contact and microblogging
09:50.12gdeburethomasj: you should at least see something like systemmonitor ?
09:50.16thomasjoh wait.. thousands of engines :D
09:50.22gdebureah... )
09:50.36thomasjI just had the akonadi ones :D
09:51.21gdeburethomasj: so you now have two options :
09:52.01gdebure1) create dataengine + plasmoid
09:52.15gdebure2) create plasmoid only if dataengine already exist
09:52.31gdebureplasmate can help you in both cases :)
09:52.32thomasjNo dataengine there for HDD temp
09:52.48thomasjCool, you're awesome as always gdebure :)
09:52.55gdeburethomasj: I guess it should be added in systemmonitor
09:53.10gdeburetries t o remember who maintains ksysguard...
09:53.38gdebureah, john tapsell !
09:53.59thomasjBest i contact him and work with him together, i guess.
09:54.06gdebureyep :D
09:54.22thomasjgdebure, thanks man :D
09:54.32gdebureI'm pretty sure it's just a few lines of code, based on my experiments with plasma !
09:54.44gdeburethomasj: you're welcome :)
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09:57.38annmaalin: if you check "Show label" will it show?
09:58.09alinannma: no
09:58.38annmacan you try on the same system with default settings?
09:58.43annmai.e. a new user
09:59.09alinannma: it may be just an unlucky trunk... yes I can
09:59.14alinjust give me some time
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10:00.37annmathere's no luck in code
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10:01.05annmaI hacked this code in the past so that's why I am keen to debug this
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10:03.10alinannma: I see... and I know about luck... code usually has the lack property...
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10:06.23alinanaumov: there is a good news... the flag is back after logout
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10:06.27alinannma:
10:06.29alin^
10:06.57alinannma: thanks
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10:12.30alinannma: do you know the rationale behing the 4 layouts limit?
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10:13.33annmaI knew it but I forgot it
10:13.47pinotreehttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=174753
10:13.55pinotree(see comment #3)
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10:21.46pinotreealin: ↑
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10:23.39alinpinotree: read it... I am sad to see that xorg people do not understand that people type in more that 4 languages today...
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10:44.04Riddell10:10:10 on 10/10/10 http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release
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11:08.10gomoranI made some “KDE Desktop Pattern”. Who do I make them public? There is not even a category in kdelook.org
11:09.06pinotreeisn't there a "other kde software" category there?
11:09.59gomoranpinotree: It's not software, simply dekstop-files and pngs
11:10.24pinotreeah, i thought about a wallpaper plugin or similar
11:10.56pinotreeas wallpaper, maybe?
11:11.47gomoranpinotree: It's not a wallpaper, there is a pattern-type for backgrounds, that go into …/share/apps/plasma_wallpaper_pattern/patterns/
11:12.08pinotreeyes, i got it, but a wallpaper is what you are most close with
11:12.40pinotreeyou could classify it as such and in the meanwhile ask to the kde-look guys to add the category for that
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11:28.35JeroenDeDauwWhat is the difference between the CD and the DVD @ http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download ?
11:29.04cb400fhow about you ask #kubuntu ?
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11:31.47ultrav1oletWTF has happened to anonsvn.kde.org?
11:31.54ultrav1oletsvn: Network connection closed unexpectedly
11:32.04ultrav1oletI get this all the time
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11:33.10gergaphi
11:34.54gergapSupend to RAM does not work anymore here. Just locks the screen. echo mem > /sys/power/state works, though. Is there a powermanagement trace option to trace down the reason of the problem?
11:36.04tsimpsonI'm pretty sure it just sends a DBus call to the system to suspend
11:36.58gergaptsimpson: who is responsible for suspend then? acpid?
11:37.27gergapcan this be a polickit problem maybe?
11:37.38ultrav1oletgergap: how do you suspend?
11:37.41tsimpsonprobably HAL
11:38.03gergapultrav1olet: battery symbol in systray -> Sleep. or just close laptop lid.
11:38.20ultrav1olettsimpson: nowadays HAL is being eliminated from most distros
11:38.35ultrav1oletgergap: what have you updated recently?
11:39.17gergapkde4.5.2, but I had the poblem already in 4.5.1. To many things changed since then.
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11:39.39tsimpsonultrav1olet: yeah, but it's a hard thing to kill off
11:39.59ultrav1oletI suppose you need to ask that question on your distro channel
11:40.15ultrav1oletI hardly believe KDE can be held responsible for that
11:40.58gergapultrav1olet: maybe if I better understand how kde issues the suspend action, DBUS, HAL, polickit, etc. I could track it down myself.
11:41.23gergapmaybe just some permission are wrong.
11:42.45ultrav1oletgergap: if I'm not mistaken, KDE just issues a pm-suspend command
11:42.53ultrav1oletI might be wrong
11:43.33cb400fit definitely uses hal up until and including 4.5.x .. in 4.6 it might switch to the next bright idea out of RH/fdo
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11:45.46gergapJust tried pm-suspend, works at least as root
11:46.00gergapnow I try as user
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11:46.47gergapno, only root can execute this command, how can KDE execute this?
11:49.30jonnorgergap: KDE uses a privileged helper to execute it on the users behalf
11:50.01FiNeXhi!
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11:51.41gergapjonnor: any way to see if this works? trace, output of command?
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11:53.01jonnorgergap: which distro are you on?
11:53.20gergapjonnor: gentoo
11:53.48jonnorThen you probably need to setup policykit yourself, and I suspect the problem is there
11:54.43gergapso policykit is needed for this action, good to know
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11:56.43jonnordbus-send --system --print-reply --dest="org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit" /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Manager org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager.Suspend
11:56.58jonnorI _suspect_ that is the right action
11:57.29FiNeXHi! I want to remember that today is the first KWin Bug Day! http://bit.ly/cSqzIb
11:57.30jonnor(I just swapped "Restart" with "Suspend" from some docs I found)
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11:57.58jonnorgergap: another common problem is to not have a consolekit session
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12:00.02gergapseems like the polickit package on gentoo has been replaced with polkit. don't know the reason or difference. I guess recompiling the dependent packages could fix the problem.
12:01.48jonnordifferent name, same thing. Essentially
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12:02.58jonnorbut yes, an up to date system should def. link to libpolkit*.so
12:03.18jonnorbut I'm not sure that is the issue here
12:03.29gergapjonnor: tried your dbus command, it says access denied
12:03.52jonnorck-list-sessions
12:03.59jonnordo you have one?
12:04.01gergapbut anyway, just running revdeprebuild
12:04.26jonnorI'm being ambigious. Above command should return at least one "Session"
12:04.26gergapyes
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12:05.08gergapjonnor: http://pastebin.ca/index.php
12:05.47jonnorgergap: I suspect you want to give me a different url
12:05.53gergapups, sorry
12:06.00gergaphttp://pastebin.ca/1958588
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12:09.46jonnorlooks fine. Fairly sure its your policykit config
12:09.48Kalidarnis there any way to actually view the files mounted in KDE like for example /Volumes in OSX or ~/.gvfs/mount in GNOME?
12:10.06thiago_homeKalidarn: yes, all mounted files are in the places where they got mounted
12:10.11thiago_homeKalidarn: usually, HAL mounts them in /media
12:10.18thiago_homeKalidarn: note that KDE doesn't mount http, ftp, smb, etc.
12:10.28Kalidarnnah this is sshfs
12:10.32Kalidarnwell sftp
12:10.43Kalidarni was told it wasn't possible
12:10.46thiago_homeyes, sftp isn't mounted either
12:11.13Kalidarnpeople recommended using fstab for cifs shares but i don't like using smbmount because it used to stop ubuntu shutting down properly
12:11.17Kalidarnwhen it had to unmount it
12:11.17thiago_homeKDE only mounts USB sticks and external drives
12:11.21Kalidarnah
12:11.34Kalidarnwhat would be the best way of mounting say a music share
12:11.42Kalidarnwould NFS be a better option because of its low overhead?
12:11.49thiago_homeor sshfs
12:11.59Kalidarnseeing as i have sshfs set up might use that
12:12.15jonnorthiago_home: is there a way to get KDE to mount such, so that non-kio apps can use them (though the ordinary filesystem)?
12:12.20thiago_homejonnor: no
12:12.20Kalidarni'd rather not set up nfs if i don't need to the overhead from the encryption would be minimal on my server as it's fairly powerful
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12:13.18jonnorthiago_home: why not? techical limitations?
12:13.28thiago_homejonnor: no interest
12:13.35thiago_homejonnor: KIO works, has been working for 10 years
12:13.57thiago_homethere was a fuse-kio project, but it died out
12:14.21jonnorthiago_home: sure, but not every application can use kio ;)
12:14.28jonnorbut apparently there was no intrest, as you say
12:14.41thiago_homeevery application could use kio if they wanted :-)
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12:15.46jonnoryou know what I meant :p
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12:30.29gergapbrb, rebooting
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12:43.26gergapI recompiled several things, dbus, polkit[-qt,-kde], but finally recompiling consolekit fixed my problem. suspend works again from KDE :-)
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12:45.50gergapIt was just a guess, because revdep-rebuild didn't show a broken dependency for that. So I still don't understand why it didn't work. but who cares when it works.
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12:55.04mindentropyHi. Can I make kmail minimize to the system tray?
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12:57.26pinotreesettings → configure kmail → appearance → system tray → [ ] enable system tray icon
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12:58.35acemoi'm running archlinux, after upgrading to kde 4.5.2 the shade of the bar at the bottom keeps blinking. Both the background and the whole bar at the bottom don't respond to anything. However i can open programs with alt-f2. If i disable desktop effects it doesn't changes much..
12:59.08mindentropypinotree, but when I minimize it I can see it in the taskbar too.
12:59.23pinotreehow do you minimize it?
12:59.46mindentropypinotree, minimize icon
13:00.06pinotreethat, as the name says, minimizes
13:00.30pinotreeif you want to hide the kmail window using the tray, click on the tray icon
13:00.58mindentropypinotree, ah ok
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13:01.46mindentropypinotree, in xchat if I click the close button it minimizes to sys tray
13:02.05pinotreexchat can do whatever it wants
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13:02.31mindentropypinotree, ok. thanks for the help
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13:02.56sachaelhi, i upgraded to 4.5.2-1 last night (archlinux), and now nothing  starts due to undefined symbols in libkdecore.so.5 (I already asked in the repo channel but no one responded, so I thought maybe someone here knows)
13:03.06mindentropypinotree, actually even amarok has the same behaviour
13:03.32pinotreesachael: broken packages of your distro
13:03.56thiago_homesachael: you must fix your installation by recompiling
13:04.00sachaelok, so it is distro-specific if no-one else has it. thanks
13:04.14thiago_homesachael: missing symbol is always distro-specific
13:05.10sachaelI see
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13:05.54sachaelso I should check-out the code from some kderepo and compile, would that be viable?
13:06.00acemosachael: where do you find the missing symbol errors?
13:06.14jonnorsachael: sounds like the wrong solution if you're on Arch
13:06.14emilsedghhow can i make polkit actually work? i have Debian sid, with Qt 4.7 rc1 from experimental repositories and KDE's trunk. I have polkit and polkit-qt-1 installed (and kdelibs is built with polkit support). however, i cant unmount or suspend or use knetwoekmanager due to permission issues.
13:06.16sachaellast time I tried to compile some parts from kde without the whole thing it wasn't wasy
13:06.43thiago_homeemilsedgh: ask your distribution's channel or polkit's channel
13:06.45jonnorsachael: we can discuss this in #arch
13:06.46pinotreesachael: no, you should ask in the distro channel for fixed packages
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13:07.01jonnorsachael: #archlinux sorry
13:07.05emilsedghok thiago_home, thanks.
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13:07.30emilsedghhm, what is polkit's channel?
13:07.31sachaelacemo: /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.5. ZN9QListData11detach:growE
13:07.38sachaelot something like this
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13:08.01sachaelanyway, I will head back to the distro channel
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13:12.00Freddy2hi
13:13.04Freddy2where can i check why my "recent files" menu is always disabled in kate?
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13:18.18cibaerwhen was this bug introduced? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253294
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13:18.36cibaerI have this problem since 4.5.1
13:18.45cibaerah no, i mean 4.5.2
13:19.42cibaerthere should really be made a kde-4.5.2.1 or 4.5.3 because of this
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13:23.19pinotreecibaer: ask your distro to backport the patch(es) in their packages
13:23.42cibaeryes, already did, I am glad they plan to
13:23.59cb400fand 4.5.3 is coming of course.. in a bit less than a month
13:24.07cibaer:)
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13:29.38jonnoremilsedgh: I would expect Debian sid to set up polkit for you. Ask in a Debian specific channel if you're having issues
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13:30.08jonnorin general, its a matter of making sure you have a consolekit session and configuring polkit correctly
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13:33.29emilsedghi have a consolekit session. but, configuring polkit correctly is something im not sure how to do. PolicyKit was fine, though
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14:03.04Sanitoeterhey, just a quick question: what is ~/.kde/tmp-bla for? It contains .tar files which contain .img files with over 1 gb size, what do I have to do to get rid of these?
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14:17.05icwienerSanitoeter: Some KDE app has created them. No idea what app does that, though. Maybe k3b?
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14:18.48cb400fisn't it emptied every reboot? .. maybe even every kde restart?
14:18.57Sanitoetericwiener, no, I think the only thing I used these .img files for was trying to boot them via grub. Do you think I can delete them? The original files do not exist anymore on my system.
14:19.06valerioOn 4.5.2, is it possible to disable the behavior that, on click-and-drag on empty parts of windows, kwin moves the window? (even if maximized..grrrr) If so, where? I couldn't find it..
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14:19.21Sanitoeterhm I could try that, not sure when I rebooted last time. I always use suspend to ram
14:19.24pinotreevalerio: `oxygen-settings`
14:21.40beer112have any of you tried kubuntu 10.10?
14:21.57valeriopinotree: thank you *very* much. it was woefully annoying, because it happened with maximized windows, too
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14:22.22valerioI got to say that oxygen's settings are scattered along at least three places and I have never an idea where to find them
14:22.24beer112and if you have can you then tell me if it is OK (improved) over prevoius kubuntu
14:22.34valeriooxygen|desktop|window manager|theme
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15:56.54pinotreetttttt: #khtml
15:57.29ttttttthanks
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16:18.30krabadorhow can i configure an hidden ssid wireless network?
16:19.30sbeck_You have the connection manager ?
16:19.59sbeck_There you can manage your wireless connections
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16:33.54litbhello folks
16:33.59litbcan kde be compiled with clang?
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16:44.31krabadorsbeck_, yes i done by connection manager
16:45.08krabadorbut later the config of my hidden ssid wlan, it don't connect to it
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16:45.31sbeck_Did you enter all data right ?
16:45.39sbeck_Perhaps there are typos ?
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16:57.59lemmalitb: I think noone tried to fully compile it yet. iirc even parts of Qt don't compile with clang yet. that might include parts required by KDE.
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16:58.48litboh
16:58.53lemmalitb: see this blog entry. it states qtwebkit doesn't compile yet: http://elcuco2.blogspot.com/2010/10/building-qtcreator.html
16:59.05litbohh!
16:59.14hymanybody ever seen kmail's folder list on the left hand side having invisible text?
16:59.25hymi.e; no folder names / directories listed
16:59.41hymdespite them being there if you 'highlight' or right clock/
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16:59.43hym*click?
16:59.58lemmahym: does restarting it help?
17:00.33hymit does not
17:00.36hymchanging theme doesn't
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17:00.58hymjust seems strange
17:01.09hymwhatever font i assign, or theme, everything seems fine except that
17:01.28hymi can see the mail / size count
17:01.43hymbut no folder names
17:01.48hymunless it's meant to be that way ¬¬
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17:14.49wmpwhen i click on link in kopete in browser i have address: file:///var/tmp/kdecache-wmp/krun/2366.0.order.cgi
17:14.58wmphow to disable this cache?
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17:22.12litbwmp: I think that in system-settings you need to set a browser exe-file instead of selecting "default for mime-type"
17:22.40litbit happened to me before in other applications (i think it was yakuake) and It kept downloading it to a cache first, until i changed that setting
17:22.42pinotreewmp: kde 4.5.2?
17:22.48wmp4.5.2
17:23.04pinotreeknown regression, already fixed; ask your distro for updated packages
17:23.07litbi set "firefox" and it worked
17:23.13litbpinotree: ohh!
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17:23.38wmppinotree: i have up to date archlinux
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17:24.55wmphmmm, maybe this cache is only for cgi files?
17:25.02wmpi havent in mametype cgi
17:25.20pinotreeno
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17:28.49mariuszHello to all
17:29.10wmpcześć mariusz
17:29.13mariuszI'm new in Fedora
17:29.30mariuszczesc wmp
17:29.35wmp;)
17:30.23mariuszwmp musimy rozmawiac po angiesku tutaj?
17:30.35wmptak
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17:31.22mariuszok
17:32.14mariuszwith one radeon x700 and mesa drivers i can do something to improve 3d performances?
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17:33.26wmpmariusz: you shoud buy nvidia
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17:35.16mariuszwmp yes i know but i have 3 pc, one nvidia one ati and one intel (bleah)
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17:36.35ericthehaxQuestion: how can an aurorae theme get a deleted piece of an svgz to use instead of its replacement? I've been trying constantly to make an aurorae theme but when I delete and replace parts of a vector image, it still uses the old data.
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17:37.26ericthehaxdata that is deleted from an image should be unusable, correct?
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17:38.44ericthehax...
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17:41.57obsrvwill there be KDE 4.6 or KDE 5?
17:42.26ericthehaxYou bet your ass
17:42.52ericthehaxKDE will not die :D
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17:43.13obsrvno I mean that whats next?
17:43.15obsrv:)
17:43.17obsrvKDE 5 maybe?
17:43.24ericthehaxprobably 4.6
17:43.26obsrvI know that KDE will be on this planet for a long long time
17:43.27James147obsrv: kde 4.6 as far as I know...
17:43.27obsrv:)
17:43.40obsrvprobably the best desktop enviroment in the universe xoxo
17:44.02obsrvand after 4.6 it will be 5? right?
17:44.06ericthehaxlooks through notepad doc of faces he can't altcode
17:44.16obsrvis there any information about future plans?
17:44.38ericthehaxwe dont know
17:44.46ompaulIts developers are aiming at a release included with the KDE Platform 4.6 in January 2011.
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17:45.05ompaulthat from http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.5/platform.php
17:45.31kovciuhi ;_) who is from poland?
17:45.31ompaulobsrv: ultimately it depends on the progress and stability of the development of the current and next version
17:46.10ericthehax¯ω¯
17:46.35James147ompaul: not really, kde uses a time baised release, not a feature baised one, so its hihgly likly to be released during january
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17:47.30ompaulJames147: yeah however I was pointing at the numbers beyond that we could see a 4.7 but who knows ;-)
17:47.44ompaul<--- certainly not me
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17:56.51acemohow would i savely reset my settings for whole kde?
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17:57.50mishaacemo: rename ~/.kde4 dir?
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17:58.27mishanot sure but you can give it a try
17:58.34acemomm looks good..
17:58.36mishaif won't work you can always rename it back ;)
17:58.55acemothing is, i'm having some mayor problems with my panel and background thingy (plasma-desktop)
17:59.11acemothe panel keeps flickering and its totally unresponsive
17:59.19acemoand the background is just totally unresponsive
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17:59.27acemobut when i create a new user, it works perfect
17:59.28James147acemo: you could try resetting just plasma-desktop by renaming ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*
17:59.32mishahey! i'm good, but i'm not sure i'm that good :D
17:59.52acemoso i'm guessing i got some settings wrong
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18:03.52acemoalright, that worked. Thanks James147 and misha
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18:04.29acemonow to remove the test account =)
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18:10.44howlymowlyhi poeple..  short question:  I just enabled the netbook interface in KDE 4.5 and I also deleted the "newspaper activity" now i want to add my own activities..  how do i do that?  there does not seem to be any way how I could do that...
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18:11.58howlymowlyI would also like to know, if it was possible to run klauncher in plasma-netbook?
18:12.35mishahowlymowly: shouldn't there be in top-right corner a button?
18:12.41mishathat lets you to add activity
18:12.43mishaand stuff
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18:12.53mishawait, its netbook interface
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18:45.47mueslohi, I did some updates, and now the option of choosing which OS to boot after restarting is gone
18:45.51mueslohow do I get it back?
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18:46.10annmaask your distribution channel
18:46.14mueslookay
18:46.16annmait's not KDE
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18:48.39mishamueslo: reinstall lilo/gnome
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18:50.31muesloI'm using grub, and by reinstall do you mean rewrite bootloader settings or delete and reinstall the program?
18:50.42misharewrite bootloader settings
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18:51.13mishai don't use grub so I cannot help you much here
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18:51.32mishabut try to open menu.lst in /boot/grub directory
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18:51.44mishaand check you configuration there
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18:52.23mishaif you see both your OS there you can try just execute grub-install (?)
18:52.44mishaif not, you have to read some tutorials of how to write grubs menu.lst:)
18:54.01muesloah, I think you misunderstood me
18:54.17muesloI meant restart as in the button in the desktop environment not on the pc
18:54.43muesloWhen I clicked on restart in KDE, I had the option of which OS would be booted after shutdown
18:55.06mishaohh, hmm, i've never seen this feature before
18:55.11mishaso i really can't help you here
18:55.12mishasorry
18:55.36annmamueslo: what distribution?
18:55.53muesloopenSUSE, I'm asking there too
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18:57.41mueslodo other distributions not have similar features?
18:58.00junkDawgiemueslo: on the restart button there may be a arrow or pointer that if you click on it and hold, will display options.
18:58.27mishamueslo: i think this feature is kinda useless :P
18:58.34mueslojunkDawgie: that's what it used to do
18:58.40mishahow am I suppose to now which OS i want to use after rebooting?:P
18:58.44junkDawgiebut it's no longer there?
18:58.46mueslonow there's no arrow
18:59.54annmawe switch OS usually at boot mueslo with lilo or grub
19:00.21muesloI know but that was an additional feature
19:00.34muesloI could go and make a cup of tea while windows booted
19:00.38annmaso what do they say in OPenSuse channel
19:00.55muesloThey thought I meant the bootloader was missing too
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20:04.42hymanybody fiddled with the userChrome.css / userContent.css to play with thunderbird colours?
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20:29.56Simkinanyone know how to make video clips show a preview in konqueror/dolphin ??
20:33.50FiNeXSimkin: you've to install the mplayer or the ffmpeg thumbnailer
20:33.52cb400fenable video previews in dolphin settings ... and of course click the preview button in the toolbar
20:33.54hym@simkin : i've been looking at doing the same
20:33.56FiNeXand activate it on the dolphin settings
20:33.58hymand yeah
20:34.05FiNeX:)
20:34.05hymas above!
20:34.09FiNeX:)
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20:39.57hymare most of you solely kde users or do some of you use gnome too?
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20:41.29Fazer2hym, I use Windows XD
20:41.40hymhow's that working?
20:41.44Fazer2and KDE too
20:41.54Fazer2I don't use KDE on Windows,
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20:42.10hymit'd nice if you could ;)
20:42.22hymgroup policy the domain at work; hello kde!
20:42.23sreichI'm solely a kde user
20:42.27sreichalthough, I cheat, since I'm a kde dev
20:42.38sreich(wouldn't make any sense to run gnome, in this caes)
20:42.39sreich*case
20:42.45hymyeah, can't dev for kde and then lick about in gnome! ;)
20:42.46clarkdaanyone have an idea where kde places older source archives? I'm attempting to download source from the 4.3.2 tree
20:43.03sreichhym: indeed. wouldn't want to be corrupted ;p
20:44.20hymthe only thing that gnome seems to handle better, for me (on sulphur) is VNC / remote desktop
20:44.29hymbut that is the only thing
20:44.37hymand i did enjoy monkeying with compiz fusion
20:44.49hymbut, not necessary in kde 4_
20:44.52hym*4+
20:44.53hym¬
20:45.53sreichkrdc is pretty sweet
20:46.01sreichbetter than remmina, in 4.5.x
20:46.17hymi haven't tested it yet, but as i say, i am still on sulphur
20:46.30qalclarkda: You can get it packaged from ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/Attic/4.3.2/src/ but I'm not sure about the entire tree. ;\
20:46.30hymthought about going straight to fedora 13
20:46.31hymbut
20:46.37hymi still prefer 9
20:46.41mishaonly kde here, never use gnome, i fall in love at first sight when I saw kde 3 for the first time <33333
20:46.48hym:)
20:47.04clarkdaqal: Thanks!
20:47.14hymtbh, the best thing i find with kde is dolphin
20:47.26hymwell, not hte BEST thing
20:47.48mishathat's a shame that kde4 is not kde3, but hey, things have to keep getting forward right?
20:48.11hymthey do...
20:48.21hymbut still, there's no reason you still can't use 3 ;)
20:48.43mishahym: c'mon, I can't, it's too old
20:48.55mishaand beside that, i already got used to kde4
20:49.15mishaand it's at least as good as kde3
20:49.28hymyou should get a really shit box
20:49.34hymand have it JUST to use 3
20:49.51hymjust krdc to it every once in a while
20:49.54hym;)
20:50.11mishai have intel atom 1.6, its quite a shity proc :P
20:50.29hymit'll do!
20:50.54mishayea, it works quite ok, but sometimes system really slows down :P
20:51.29hymit must be the major rendering that kde does ;)
20:51.36hymha, especially 3
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20:52.15mishaanyway, I found kde more efficient to use than Windows7:)
20:52.16mishareally:)
20:52.44hymtbh windows 7 impressed me, in terms of it's functionality and ease of use (compared to vista) for 'normal users'
20:52.59hymand the only microsoft thing i have is an xbox
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20:53.08hymno nt nonsense here ;)
20:53.43mishahym: you're right, win7 is good, can't say it is not
20:53.58mishafinnaly, you don't offen see drive letters :P
20:54.07hymit does the job; it had to be good!
20:54.13sreichnot really
20:54.16sreichit does a terrible job
20:54.32sreichthe only thing it has going for it is that it is better than it's prior/s
20:54.33hymdepends what you use if for
20:54.35sreich*prior's
20:54.38hymthese days
20:54.47hymif you'll use it for music, facebook and msn
20:54.50hymthen it does the job
20:54.51sreichother than that, it's a pile of crap, from top to bottom
20:54.53hymif you want a good os
20:54.55mishaand I love win7/vista window decoration <3
20:54.56hymyou just don't use it
20:55.02sreichwell, anything does the job of webbrowsing
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20:55.26sreichhates the win7/vista window decorations...it isn't customizable at all
20:55.33hymthat's the worst bit
20:55.37hymstill, you can't edit shite
20:55.38sreichthat and the fact that windows doesn't have a window manager
20:55.50sreichor a decent filesystem that doesn't fragment
20:56.04sreichoh the joys of marketing :(
20:56.50sreich<--- had to live with too many windows system problems
20:56.57sreich"just reinstall! it fixes everything"
20:57.06sreichor "just reboot!"
20:57.38pinotreenotes this is still a #kde user support
20:57.46sreichsorry, rant mode ;)
20:57.53howlymowlyhi poeple...  short question:  after I added a widget to ma panel in plasma-netbook, its size has been changed. its now biiger than before. Is it possible to revert that somehow?
20:57.57howlymowly*my
20:58.24howlymowlyI mean:  i would just like to be able to change the size of the panel...
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20:59.20crashdatahi, i accidently remove the trashcan icon on my dolphin
20:59.24crashdatai tried to manually add it
20:59.36crashdatabut it now lacks the empty trash icon.
20:59.44crashdataempty trash command.
21:00.05crashdatacan someone help me restore the trash can icons?
21:00.12crashdatato my dolphin side panel?
21:00.17hymcan you not add entry to trash:/
21:00.32hymi.e. right click > add entry > trash:/
21:00.34hymetc.
21:00.53sreichare you sure it has the same name?
21:01.04sreichand yes, is trash:/
21:01.11sreichnot sure if the former matters
21:01.18sreichbut I do know that it is hard-coded
21:01.22crashdatawhen i right i click add entry
21:01.30hymlocation = trash:/
21:01.36crashdataahh
21:02.08crashdatathank you i thought u were making faces there for a minute
21:02.14hym:P
21:02.21crashdata:)
21:02.38crashdatai never thought emoticons can hinder communication :)
21:02.45hymalways, always
21:02.55hymcontext and tone are lost in text talk
21:03.34crashdatafor sure, but its my first time with emoticons.
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21:06.28hymi am guessing it worked then?
21:06.38hymdid the icon come back? (should've done)
21:06.51hymesp if you only just deleted it (mmmm, cache!)
21:10.33crashdatayup it did :)
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21:10.51hymgood stuff
21:10.51crashdatathanks again...
21:10.57hymnp
21:11.05hymbeen there, done that ><
21:11.13crashdatathat really cracked me up...i was thinking why is this guy making sour faces lolz
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21:11.40hymhah, yeah
21:12.34SimkinFiNeX: can you give me more info about the mplayer or ffmpeeg thumbnailer? i'm using gentoo and i have both mplayer and  ffmpeg installed
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21:14.51FiNeXSimkin: it should exists a package called "mplayer thumbnail" or "ffmpeg thumbnail"
21:15.16FiNeXSimkin: "mplayerthumbs"
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21:18.46hymhttp://code.google.com/p/ffmpegthumbnailer/
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21:19.12hymthat told me my libavcodec was out of date, for the newest build (again, i am on sulphur, so...)
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22:15.59howlymowlyhi poeple...  short question: Is it possible to change the size of the panel in plasama-netbook? After I added a widget to my panel in plasma-netbook, its size has been changed. its now biger than before. Is it possible to revert that somehow?
22:16.37sgnls@howly; i'm sure it is
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22:16.52sgnlswhat widget?
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22:18.02sgnlsi'd have thought still on plasma-* you'd be able to 'hover' over it and wait for the sidebar to pop up
22:18.18sgnlsthen top icon (stretch dimensions)
22:19.07howlymowlysgnls: it was the cwp-widget
22:19.16howlymowlymy panel is now huge....
22:19.28sgnlsstretch it the other way?
22:19.32howlymowlyin plasma-desktop the option is there, when you unlock the panel
22:19.43howlymowlybut in plasma-netbook I can't find that option...
22:19.44sgnlsbut not in netbook?
22:19.48howlymowlynope...
22:19.59sgnlsnot even the old right click everywhere on the screen?
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22:42.24diegoviolai have a suggestion for kde usability, where can i make it?
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22:46.32diegoviolahere it's my suggestion: when i right click the desktop, click on desktop settings -> get new wallpapers -> and i click a wallpaper to install, it would be nice if the wallpaper is installed in the background, and it uses the notification applet to show the install progress, so i could close the window as soon as i click on "install wallpaper"
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22:48.00diegoviolaor maybe make this optional, via a setting
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23:01.58diegoviolain desktop settings it would be nice if i could right-click on a wallpaper and click delete
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23:09.21johnny69Hi folks,   there is a plasmoid-thingy called,  "RSSNow".  Displays Rss feeds,  etc.    Can anyone tell me where (or if one exists) the config file is for this?  What's the filename?
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23:12.13johnny69If,  we can't do that...could someone tell me how to force it to open up the feeds in something OTHER than konqueror?  I already have in the Kde settings to open everything in Opera and so far everything adheres to it.  Any ideas?  (kde 4.5.x/Suse 11.2)
23:13.54pinotreejohnny69: looks like a bug, can you please report it to bugs.kde.org, "plasma" product and "widget-rssnow" component?
23:15.39johnny69pinotree:   I sure can.
23:15.50pinotreegroovy
23:16.02johnny69pinotree:   Is there **any**  central config file for plasma widgets?
23:16.29pinotreeyes, but i don't think you can change the rssnow browser with a config
23:17.01johnny69pinotree:   Probably not,  but I would like to look at it if I could.  You know the filename?
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23:17.32pinotree$(kde4-config --localprefix)/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
23:17.41johnny69pinotree:   Thank you.
23:25.17johnny69pinotree:   Well,  it looks like you were right.  There is really nothing there.  In fact,  there's not much in that config file that would allow you to change much of anything.  I was kinda hoping I would see a reference to a font name so that I could change it.  (or maybe the size)  But you were right,  there is not much of anything.  :(
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23:31.39simcop2387-laphmm judging by the source only hal
23:31.41simcop2387-lapdamn
23:31.51simcop2387-lapwell sorry for bothering you guys
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23:55.24mariuszhello
23:56.46mariuszi can do something to make my radeon x700 faster with fedora?

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