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00:05.53qalI know the link you're talking about but I can't find an option. Maybe it's something that changed in KMail 2.
00:06.08Sanitoeteryeah I hope :)
00:06.29SanitoeterI cannot even find the place where I can change the headers right now
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00:06.59Sanitoeteruhh wait
00:07.43Sanitoeterin the filters I can setup "pipe trough" as an option. I might write a script which strips html from those mails and then I am all fine
00:08.01qalcertainly one way to go about it.
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00:45.46break19erm... so I'm browsing a website.. and I scrolled the page.. and the ads on the page go -over- the menu and window decorations of the konqueror window... weird.
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01:35.49astropirateHow do i remove the system wide short cut Ctr+F from opening up the console?  I checked under system settings and there are no signs of it. B/w this only happens when i am on KDE and works fine under Gnome.
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01:51.38sreichastropirate: did you check under konsole shortcuts?
01:51.42sreicheasiest way..
01:52.27astropiratehmm no i haven't. I shall do that now
01:52.55astropiratesreich, wait, actually i did. but i couldn't find it
01:53.13sreichand it is in fact, *konsole* that is showing up, right?
01:53.17sreichnot some other terminal?
01:53.34astropiratei think it's X-term  it has an X icon
01:53.45astropiratesorry i am a newby
01:54.22sreichxterm doesn't have any shortcuts afik
01:54.25astropiratei think that's what it is
01:54.41sreichwhat does it look like? the whole thing?
01:54.44sreichdoes it have a menubar?
01:54.45astropirateit has X for it's logo and it's tiny and ugly :p lemme take a screen shot
01:54.51sreichok
01:54.52astropirateno, no menubar
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01:57.54astropiratesreich, sorry it took so long kscreenshot wasn't cooperating  http://i55.tinypic.com/2e35276.png
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02:20.27junkDawgieastropirate: sreich may come back to help, but if you are still wondering about your terminal window, you can just start a konsole window to compare, Alt+F2, then type konsole.... i agree that it looks like xterm in your screenshot.
02:21.28astropiratejunkDawgie, thanks for your response. i did as you said and it isn't the same
02:21.33astropirateso i suppose that is xterm
02:22.02junkDawgiethen your original Ctr+F is starting xterm (or something else)
02:22.12astropiratehmm
02:22.15astropiratei think i found it
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02:22.29astropiratethe coulprite is xbindkeys package
02:23.12junkDawgiewell something is arranging some xkeys besides KDE
02:24.49junkDawgiei'm not knowledgeable in varieties of distros, but it may be a common routine binding that's built in.
02:27.25astropiratejunkDawgie, thanks for your help!!! i shall re-login now to fix it. i had to edit the config file
02:27.48junkDawgiewell done, good luck
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02:31.30jaafarrecently I've noticed that maximized windows that are not on top will de-maximize (or "restore") when I click on their title bar
02:31.48jaafarIn previous versions of KDE clicking on the title bar would simply bring them to the front without changing their size
02:32.11jaafarAnyone know if this is a recent change, and if so, whether it's configurable?  I would like to restore the earlier behavior. thx
02:32.29sreichyes and yes
02:32.44jaafarhi sreich :)
02:32.51jaafarplease school me
02:33.08sreichhow much money do you have? ;-)
02:33.17sreichsyssettings->window behavior
02:33.19sreichoh wait.
02:33.27sreichfind "screen edges"
02:33.33sreichyou should just be able to search system settings for it
02:33.36sreich(search textbox)
02:33.40sreichthat will tell you where it resides.
02:34.38jaafarhmm... I'm seeing the "titlebar actions" dialog
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02:35.21jaafarI don't see anything that says it is supposed to "restore" though.  "Activate and raise" seems right
02:35.27jaafar(which is what it is set to)
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02:38.47jaafarsreich: I do see "screen edges" - it doesn't seem to apply? Or am I confused?
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02:39.13sreichjaafar: only thing I can see is to disable tile maximizing
02:39.26sreichother than that..I thought for sure there was an option exactly for this...
02:39.27sreich*shrug*
02:40.05jaafarOK, thanks!
02:40.07sreichmaybe not. since I don't see why one would want to have the aforementioned option enabled, but the restoring on titlebar drag disabled
02:43.58jaafarsreich: good news - I don't know why this has anything to do with it, but I disabled everything under the "screen edges" menu and that de-maximizing behavior has disappeared.  Thanks!
02:44.40sreichjaafar: what?
02:44.46sreichjaafar: and you disabled what I said too?
02:44.55sreichbecause what I said is what does exactly what you said
02:48.06jaafarsreich: I disabled "maximize windows by dragging them to the top of the screen" and "tile windows by dragging them to the side of the screen"
02:48.33jaafarI guess I don't see what either has to do with *not* de-maximizing an already maximized window which is not on top...
02:48.39jaafarand yet, it worked!
02:48.59sreichtoo sleepy to parse
02:49.03sreichbut whatever :)
02:49.13sreich(and annoyed w/ homework :)
02:50.18jaafarthanks for your help, it's been bugging me for the past few months or so
02:50.55sreichno worries
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09:38.01sxecan someone give me a hint how to open svgz files with karbon14?
09:38.18sxei cannot select it in file > open
09:39.07cb400fthen click "other" and then navigate to karbon14
09:39.28cb400for start karbon14 and then open the svgz from within karbon14
09:39.38sxeyes, thats what i did..
09:39.50sxei'm talking about file > open in karbon
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09:40.10cb400foh, thought you were talking about right click in dolphin -> open with
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09:41.30sxehttp://www.abload.de/image.php?img=karbonanmz.jpeg
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09:44.57cb400fsxe: worksforme (koffice 2.2.2)
09:45.10sxehm..
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09:45.22sxemaybe i'm missing some dependencies?
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09:45.33sxelike you can see on the screenshot i cannot choose svgs at all
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09:47.10sxeaha
09:47.24sxei had to install koffice-filters
09:47.31sxecb400f: thx anyway
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10:44.23ForgeAuscan you use KDE (or QT) with firefox I know gentoo used to be able to bind it... but is there a solution these days or do you have to put up with its GTK stuff?
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10:59.11thiagoForgeAus: you need to ask Firefox developers, not us
10:59.45ForgeAusok just curious
10:59.59cb400fbut stuff exists that makes gtk look pretty much like oxygen.. and also stuff exists to make FF use kde file dialog and understand file associations
11:00.11ForgeAussomeone was asking on #Ubuntu .. (no idea why, they'd likely have GTK under that / gnome anyway)
11:00.32ForgeAuscb4 you mean likek qtcurve?
11:00.59cb400fyeah.. but specifically gtk-oxygen-engine or oxygen-molecule
11:01.11ForgeAusthx :)
11:03.10ForgeAushehhe reminds me of an old saying about kde4 ... oxygen - harder to escape than air :)
11:03.20ForgeAusof course air is a theme too now isn't it?
11:04.38cb400fplasma theme
11:05.25ForgeAusKubuntu tends to use it by default
11:05.41ForgeAusits ncie imho
11:05.44ForgeAusgrr nice
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11:06.57ForgeAustthe thing I like about kubuntu is how integrated KDE seems to be with the OS, it doesn't FEEL much like a Linux desktop with KDE dumped ontop of it, like PCLinuxOS does...
11:07.55ForgeAusit feels more like its own operating system that blends KDE with Linux
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11:10.26cb400fI guess Kubuntu aims to create kde fanboy heaven.. whereas pclinux goes for stuff that is mature and works, even if it's gtk like FF or Synaptic ;-)
11:11.33ForgeAushehe yeah I noticed theres several KDE alternatives missing from PCLinuxOS like it was till using Xchat insted of konversation or quassel
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11:12.46Mamarokcb400f: and how is konversation not mature and works?
11:13.20emilsedghNo. Kubuntu tries to have a KDE based OS and tries to fix missing stuff, instead of using something else
11:13.24cb400fI didn't say that.. I didn't even know they used xchat over konvi until I was just told
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11:14.03Kalidarnit doesn't come with xchat
11:14.07cb400fI use konvi myself with great pleasure.. only half-sane reason I could think of was to avoid the akonadi requirement
11:14.15Kalidarnit comes with quassel
11:14.25cb400fah
11:14.38Kalidarnit does come with an installer for firefox though
11:14.49Kalidarnbut realistically a lot of users want firefox over anything else
11:15.06Kalidarnnoscript + adblock plus = win
11:15.48ForgeAusnoscript! you partypooper! lol
11:15.51Kalidarnbtw what's the macosx kde channel?
11:16.18ForgeAus#kde-mac I guess
11:16.37Kalidarnah  yes that is it :P
11:17.23ForgeAushehe I would have thought it was kde4mac, but I was followin the same convention they used for windows KDE-windows
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11:24.49MAfifiHi all. I've a problem with kMail. Every time I try to write a new message in kMail composer(with HTML formatting enabled), the indentation controls(increase indent and decrease indent toolbar buttons) are disabled. What am I missing?
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11:26.15sobczykhi, where do I put gtk+ theme so I can set it in "gtk+ styles"?
11:26.49pinotreeask in a gtk channel?
11:27.11sobczykisn't that kde4 function?
11:27.29pinotreeinstall a gtk theme is not a kde4 function
11:27.33pinotree*installing
11:27.51sobczykthere is even a "change search path" button, why would kde4 programmers put it there?
11:28.26pinotreeask that to their developers, we didn't do that module
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11:37.32ForgeAussobczyk, firstly kde themes are generally no use to KDE, but you should be able to select which one to use if you have the right stuff installed, using system-settings the appearance applet will have a GTK (or Gnome?) styles applet
11:37.53ForgeAusit the same place you select icon themes, window decorators, fonts, etc...
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11:38.08ForgeAusoops GTK themes are generally of no use to KDE
11:38.13ForgeAus(was what I meant to type
11:38.22ForgeAusof course KDE themes are useful to KDE! rofl
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11:39.16ForgeAus(note: I don't know if GTK themes includes Metacity or not)
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13:07.08sturlesHow can I reduce noise from knotify for all users in the system level?  My thin clients keeps telling my users about upgradeable packages and system needing a reboot, and the users can't do anything about it.  It's just noise and hogs the CPU when typically 30 users log in at once.
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13:08.14cb400fsturles: what distro? guess you can just kill whatever updater is running and making those notifications
13:08.28sturlesDebian.
13:08.48cb400fhm.. using kpackagekit? muon? .. the messages must come from somewhere
13:10.16cb400fmaybe even adept?
13:10.43sturlesNo processes matching "update".
13:11.19sturlesNo processes matching kpack og adept either.
13:11.54cb400fhrm.. is this old debian lenny? or squeeze?
13:12.05sturlesSqueeze.  Is it possible / wise to turn off knotify completely?
13:12.39cb400fsounds like a bad idea.. then users might screw up their filetransfers and other stuff
13:13.18cb400flooks at svuorela
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13:15.06cb400fthere are some settings for the notifications in the systray settings
13:15.23sturlesPerhaps if I change Exec=/usr/bin/knotify4 to Exec=/bin/tur in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.kde.knotify.service?
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13:16.22cb400fsounds like looking for trouble to me.. better ask some debian kde user what thingy could be making those notifications
13:16.23sturlesHow do I get to those settings without beeing logged in to KDE?  The server is at the wrong end of a well saturated 1 mbit link..
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13:23.38svuorelasturles: remove update-notifier-kde or read its README
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13:26.38sturlessvuorela: Thanks!
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13:34.52nbndswich distro has most "vanilla" (no branding/ no customisations) KDE integrated?
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13:40.57cb400fnbnds: e.g. for opensuse it's just a matter of installing a couple of *-branding-upstream packages if you want vanilla upstream branding, I would guess most major distros have an easy to way to "de-brand"
13:43.03pinotree(or have no brand at all)
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13:44.31nbndsand opensuse has good kde integration? i mean no gnome tools mixed in  if i install kde environment?
13:45.14cb400fnope.. except nicely integrated firefox and gimp if you want to give gnome credit for those
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13:47.17nbndsi will gibe opensuse a try, thanks for advice.
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14:18.41Kalidarnhmm what's the reason okular cannot save annotations to PDFs?
14:18.49Kalidarni remember this being discussed in here yesterday
14:19.07Kalidarni just did some markup with Preview on my mac, most of it seems to display in Okular
14:19.23pinotreehttp://okular.kde.org/faq.php#WhythenewlyaddedannotationsarenotinmyPDFdocument
14:19.37Kalidarnas in the strikethrough, and arrows, but it would seem the text comes up as big yellow squares
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14:20.10Kalidarnokay so apple probably is using an adobe library that they paid for licensing for
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14:20.37Kalidarnor they wrote one themselves
14:20.47Kalidarnthe annotations that Preview makes do show up in adobe acrobat fine
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14:58.56quesadaMy tap to click on synaptics touchpad stopped working
14:59.12quesadathere's no touchpad icon on systemsettings>pointers
14:59.18quesadaany idea why?
15:00.08cb400ftry looking under "lost and found" category.. if you have kde 4.5
15:00.30cb400fsystemsettings modules were shuffled around in 4.5
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15:01.18dziaduhi guys
15:01.59dziaduwhy kde apps (okular and other) have different default printer than CUPS?
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16:12.53quesadacb400f: thanks, found the touchpad icon. Tapping shows as enabled, but it doesn't work
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16:28.52quesadacb400f: anything else you recommend?  I have 2 lappies, both worked before the 4.5.2 upgrade
16:29.09quesadaI see other people reporting tapping probs on synaptics
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16:29.25cb400fwas kde the only thing you updated?
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16:29.33quesadawell... no
16:29.42quesadaI accepted all updates (sabayon)
16:29.52quesadabut as I remember, nothing major
16:29.52cb400fI have no idea.. maybe ask you distro.. try if tapping works in a non-kde environment
16:30.10quesadaI'm on xmonad ;)
16:30.21quesadabut using kde apps
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16:31.02cb400fhmm.. maybe there's something competing with synaptiks for synaptic driver configuration?
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17:01.21tauhey. i am having some troubles. when i log in kde my keyboard doesn't work. but when i log from text mode with startx my keyboard works fine in gnome. when i type startx kde it warns me of 'xkbcomp couldn't find symbol/alksdfasdf' and then the kde fails in starting.
17:01.25tauhow can i fix it ?
17:01.51taui have fixed it in xorg.conf, i changed xkblayout to the correct layout however it still keeps warning me of that and failing.
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17:24.08CandleHello, I'm using 4.4.5 from Debian and when I try to use the lock screen function (e.g. right-click empty space select "lock screen"), nothing seems to happen. I have looked around and seen several references to "kdesktop_lock" (which doesn't seem to exist); and various other commands that may have the effect of locking. Which command is the lock item trying to call? Which package would provide kdesktop_lock? What can I do to make this work?
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17:26.12PhilRod_Candle: my first guess would be that something needs to be setuid (in order to check your passwd). There used to be something called kcheckpass(wd) or something similar, IIRC
17:26.33PhilRod_(not sure how much this helps you, but maybe it can put you on the right track on google)
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17:30.47Candlekcheckpass would be called on trying to *unlock*, the issue is locking in the first place. It has given another potential search avenue though (which is, so far, a dead end).
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17:38.16junkDawgieCandle: if you have qdbusviewer installed you can call the Lock function in org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver ScreenSaver/
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18:03.09Tatshis there a way to make kontact sit in the tray with kmail, kontact, korganiser, and akregrator notifications?
18:03.16Tatshi haven't seen such an option
18:03.38howlymowlyhi poeple...  short question: I am playing around with the bespin window style/decoration but I don't know how I can change the color settings for it?  any recomendations?
18:04.29howlymowlyTatsh: sorry..  no idea..
18:04.34Tatshi'm on kde 4.4.5
18:04.43Tatshi can keep korganiser in the tray fine and akregrator
18:04.50Tatshi haven't seen an option for kmail to keep it in the tray
18:04.58howlymowlyyes.. for kmail there is an option
18:04.59Tatshbut i don't want all three, just kontact (which has all 3) would be better
18:05.25Tatshah cool
18:05.27Tatshi found that option
18:06.15howlymowlyTatsh:  But you're right.. would be cool to have all three with kontact...
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18:07.27Tatshhowlymowly yes
18:07.36Tatshbut then wouldn't be able to see the numbers for new stuff like in kmail
18:07.41Tatshor akregator
18:07.52Tatshnew numbers cumulative of all apps would actually be ok imo
18:08.07Tatshnew mail + new rss + whatever else notifications
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18:55.25muephow is one supposed to tell the network management plasma applet to make nm connect somewhere?
18:56.00muepthe applet lists many 802.11 access points and a mobile broadband, but there is no button labeled 'connect' anywhere
18:56.49muepusually it has just worked after I have had it configured to autoconnect to the wlans I usually use
18:57.16cb400fclick on the network you want to connect to?
18:57.32muepnothing seems to happen when I do that
18:58.25muepit seems I got it recognize my 3g modem, but unfortunately also stopped autoconnecting
18:58.31leo_rockwaymuep: that happened to me sometimes... I wasn't sure if it was me because I was very sleepy.
18:58.46leo_rockwayit always happens at night when I'm playing with aircrack
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19:07.19Sanitoeterhey, any news about kmail2? All I can find is "kdepim 4.5 is not going to be released together with kde4.5" . Well, when is it going to be released then?
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19:07.50leo_rockwaySanitoeter: I'm guessing with KDE SC 4.6...
19:07.54leo_rockwayI hope sooner, though o.o
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19:08.02SanitoeterI hope so, too
19:08.23SanitoeterI was hoping it will be released with 4.5.3 maybe
19:08.50leo_rockwayKDE has spoiled me... now I want more, haha.
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19:08.58leo_rockwayI'm looking at KOffice and I like what I see.
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19:09.39pdignanhi, i'm running arch linux with KDE 4.5.2, i'm trying to use nvidia's driver with twinview on two different resolution monitors, right now it creates one big display, but that has deadspace.  is there a way to make KDE think 1 X screen is two displays?
19:10.17pdignanthere's also a problem with maximizing (it tries to maximize windows so they fill *both* displays
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19:40.34AndrzejLguys - any good app from the K* range that will sync my Nokia N73 contacts / messages and this sort of stuff via bluetooth?
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19:56.33AndrzejLguys - any good app from the K* range that will sync my Nokia N73 contacts / messages and this sort of stuff via bluetooth?
19:57.13pinotreeno need to ask again within short time, once is enough
19:57.43cb400fdo you know a good app from any non-kde range for the job? ;-)
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20:04.42AndrzejLcb400f: thanks for Your help last time
20:05.04AndrzejLafter applying the kdelibs patch the Dropbox problem went away
20:05.19AndrzejLpinotree: thanks - twas accident
20:05.39AndrzejLcb400f: I was trying the gammu wammu app but its a nightmare
20:06.00cb400fiirc someone is trying to revive kmobiletools recently, but I'm sure it's nowhere near "good"
20:06.10cb400fyet
20:06.23AndrzejLwas trying gnokii / xgnokii as well but its a royal pita as well
20:06.55AndrzejLyeah - seen the website :) - there was one line in there ;)
20:07.01mschiffIs there any release plan for kdepim-4.5 somewhere?
20:07.18AndrzejLmschiff: sorry - dont know
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20:49.38howlymowlyhi poeple...  short question:  in earler version from than KDE 4.5 it was possible to "overlay" a backround image with a gradient..  I just wanted to know why this isn't possible anymore?
20:49.44howlymowly(I am now on KDE 4.5)
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21:12.23pegasusbilhas anyone had success installing kde 10.10 on a netbook?
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21:14.19arkaschaUsing kde-4.5.2«opensuse-11.3 I fail to define working application shortcuts.
21:14.45arkaschaI defined them in the menu editor and see them when reopening that one, but the shortcut does not start the application.
21:14.53arkaschaAny hints what else to do ?
21:16.08pinotreepegasusbil: there's no such kde 10.10
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21:17.12pegasusbilKubuntu 10.10 is what I meant
21:18.01pinotreeyou should then ask in #kubuntu
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21:36.45DarkMaci`m experiencing intermitent system lockup freeze
21:37.26DarkMacit can easily be reproduce by launching some apps
21:37.41DarkMaceg: nvidia-settings, teamviewer
21:37.57DarkMacopensuse 11.3, kde 4.4.4
21:38.01DarkMacnvidia
21:38.05DarkMacany ideea?
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22:12.03comawhiteanyone know what this wallpaper is called? http://blogs.sun.com/moinakg/resource/screenshots/kde1.jpeg
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22:14.57leo_rockwaycomawhite: maybe you can ask here too: http://khewolf.deviantart.com/art/Wolf-Howling-At-Moon-146909137
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22:23.05junkDawgieopensuse 4.5.2,  is there a known problem with using "magic corners" and the screensaver function? if i use a magic corner to temporarily disable the screensaver, i get a zombie instance of xprop and the screensaver no longer will function. any ideas?
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22:23.43asheshello. i just accidentally right clicks on my virtual desktop box (the group of windows, normally displayed on the left of the bottom panel), and i lost it. how do i put it back?
22:25.40junkDawgiethe plasmoid you are describing is refered to as the "pager", ashes.... you can unlock the desktop (click the cashew top right) then choose AddWidgets and find the Pager and drag it to the panel.
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22:27.57ashesjunkDawgie: thank you. it worked
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22:28.09junkDawgiegood for you, well done
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23:03.35vinleod_I have a variant keyboard layout that I can use if I run setxkbdmap directly but doesn't show if I configure KDE Keyboard Layout Switcher. How do I get it to show up? Fedora 13, KDE 4.4.5.
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23:11.11vinleodI seem to be having connection issues. Did my last question get through?
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