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00:39.51aljosaanybody knows howto enable search in klipper? i used to be able to activate it with ctrl+alt+v and then just started typing to filter content
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01:23.41Kubuntu-KDE<PROTECTED>
01:25.10Kubuntu-KDEno one can help me in this issue?
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02:19.33disruptordoes anyone know what the default network manager for fedora 14 KDE is ? i am assuming its knetworkmanger but i cant find an about with version number or anything ....
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02:20.41disruptorit uses KDE 4.5.2
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02:29.59leo_rockwayhow can I make plasma-desktop start with --graphicssystem raster by default?
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04:20.29siliconchaosHello, I have a few questions on dolphin development. If this is not the correct place for these type of questions I apologize and would appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction.
04:22.33ichbindersiliconchaos: http://www.kde.org/applications/system/dolphin/
04:22.58ichbindersiliconchaos: they mention this channel, so I guess you are right here. (I don't know anything about it, though... sorry)
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04:25.17siliconchaosichbinder: I was surprised to see that #kde was mentioned in "contact the authors". anyway, thanks for the response. I'll keep researching.
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05:11.51AndrewLG'day, I'm guessing there is no online KDE source code browser?
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05:31.52astropirateHow do i enable 3d desktop cube like under compiz on Gnome. I'm running Ubuntu lucid
05:33.16AndrewLdunno about ubuntu, but on fedora its under system settings, desktop effects, all effects, Desktop cube I think
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07:32.27Geckohi there. I'm running kde 4.5.1, the kubuntu 10.10 default version, and since I upgraded to this version kde has switched around which monitor is the primary one and which one is the secondary one. I'm having an external monitor connected to my laptop, and use that as the primary one. I can set the right monitor to be primary with xrandr --output HDMI1 --primary, but my question is where kde gets it's idea of which monitor to make primary and if it's configurable?
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07:37.06jornheyho, my korganizer systray icon is empty, how can i fix this?
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07:38.26jorn(so it's an empty slot showing up in the systray for korganizer reminder daemon)
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08:10.51Oleg_konqueror vs. firefox - which web browser is better than the other one?
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08:12.48CandleOleg_: Make up your own mind. Personally, I prefer Opera.
08:13.35Oleg_Candle: Opera running in kde?
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08:14.17CandleYes, Since I'm using Debian, download the .deb from their site, and use it.
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08:20.32jornheyho, my korganizer systray icon is empty, how can i fix this?
08:20.33Mamaroktry rekonq, or use the webkit mode in Konqueror
08:20.39jorn(so it's an empty slot showing up in the systray for korganizer reminder daemon)
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08:21.34Mamarokjorn: which KDE, distribution?
08:21.54jorn4.5.1
08:22.07jornas in kubuntu 10.10
08:22.38Mamarokjorn: do you have the oxygen-icon-theme-complete package installed?
08:22.50jornMamarok: checking...
08:23.29jornnow i do
08:23.51jornrelogin?
08:24.07Mamarokyes, I think so
08:24.09jornthe strange thing is clicking on the empty spot wont show korganizer
08:24.14jornbrb
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08:26.30jornMamarok: still an empty slot in the systray
08:26.44Mamarokjorn: are you sure it is for korganizer?
08:26.57jornwhen i click on it it says:
08:27.11jornKOrganizer Reminder Daemon
08:27.18jornand shows me a menu
08:27.24jorn(left click that was)
08:27.27Mamarokhm, it shows perfectly fine here
08:27.28jornright click: nothing
08:27.47jornin earlier versions when I clicked on the korganizer icon it started korganizer
08:27.48Mamaroktry going to the settings and chenge the entry for korganizer from Auto to Always visible,maybe that helps
08:27.51Mamarokchange*
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08:28.19jorndidn#t
08:28.25jorn#='
08:28.41jornbut even in the settings it doesn't say korganizer
08:28.53Mamarokhm, then I don't know, it shows fine here. Maybe an upgrade to KDE 4.5.2 could help, see http://kubuntu.org/news/
08:28.55jorn(I guess we're talking about the systray settings)
08:29.27Mamarokyes, we are, it shows here correctly. But if you haven't started kontact at all, it might simply not be running
08:30.13jornhmm, I have bad experiences with kontact...
08:30.18jornbut will try
08:30.37jornmaybe I'll even use the 4.5.2
08:30.46jornthanks for your help though
08:31.34jorn(in systray settings it shows up as "org.kde.StatusNotifierItem-7062-1/StatusNotifierItem"
08:31.57Mamarokwhut?
08:32.02jorn)
08:32.08jornthe korganizer icon ;)
08:32.09Mamarokthat sounds really strange, in the entries section?
08:32.36jornyupp, that's the "Item" name
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08:36.34terietoris it true that plasma will be been rewrite with opengl?\
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08:37.29Mamarokterietor: where did you get that from?
08:37.58terietorMamarok: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2010/10/plasma-in-18-24-months.html
08:38.16terietorMamarok: i don't know if this is true
08:38.26Mamarokwell, if aseigo says so it is
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08:40.26jornMamarok: seems that deleting the strangely named icon from the systray settings helped (but need to relogin to check)
08:40.26jorn(could've been some updating problem?)
08:40.26Mamarokjorn: I don't know
08:40.26jornbrb
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08:48.16jorndidn't help :-/
08:48.26jornstarting kontact doesn't either
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08:49.26terietori cannot activate some kde desktop effects
08:49.34terietori receive the following error
08:49.52terietorthe following effects could not be activated
08:50.20terietorand my battery widget doesn't work
08:50.25terietorcan u help me?\
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09:01.13CuBeW0rKhi all
09:01.27CuBeW0rKis it possible to somehow visually mark files in KDE4 ?
09:01.27jornhi you
09:01.44jornyou mean as in macosx?
09:01.57CuBeW0rKdunno, never used macosx :D
09:02.32CuBeW0rKI have a bunch of files in a directory, and I'd like to mark those that I find interesting for a reason
09:02.42CuBeW0rKlots of documents to read
09:02.56terietorCuBeW0rK:
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09:05.24jornCuBeW0rK: well, thought this would be possible with tagging but can't find it atm...
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09:05.54jornworkaround: create a subfolder, select all the files you like and link them to that folder
09:06.14terietorcan u help with my laptop?
09:06.18jorn(ctrl+shift+drag'n'drop)
09:06.24terietorsome effects doesn't activate
09:06.34terietori have gentoo amd64
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09:06.50jornterietor: yupp, i read that, but was too lazy to ask for the graphics card you have
09:07.18CuBeW0rKjorn, well, that's a pretty ugly workaround... for that case, I could even move those documents there
09:07.33CuBeW0rKjorn, do you use nepomuk?
09:07.46jornCuBeW0rK: i know, just can't find the feature I once saw used by a guy with kde 4.5
09:07.48CuBeW0rKwhat are the system reqs? this is a pretty old pc
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09:08.02terietorjorn: i have nvidia 9800
09:08.13terietorsoz
09:08.24terietori confused with my other pc
09:08.33jornhah
09:08.34jorn;)
09:08.38jornnice one
09:09.09jornnvidia 9800 should be fine
09:09.09terietorjorn: 330
09:09.24terietornvidia 330m
09:09.35terietorjorn: i have toshiba qosmio f60
09:09.53terietori have abaddoned my desktop
09:09.55jornk, now i'm confused
09:10.02terietori have 2 machines
09:10.18terietorbut i only use toshiba qosmio f60 with nvidia 330m
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09:16.44CuBeW0rKjorn, ok, I've found a way... though it's not tagging VISUALLY, but at least I can tag files
09:16.53CuBeW0rKthis raises another question
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09:19.49CuBeW0rKIf I'll move/copy these files from one pc to other
09:20.04CuBeW0rKwill they retain their tags and ratings?
09:20.19jornCuBeW0rK: don't think so
09:20.48jornagain with softlinking them to a subfolder you'd preserve that info
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09:21.02jorn(need so use rsync for copying though)
09:21.11jorngtg, sorry
09:23.51paleywienerhi, i use kde 3.5/konqueror 3.5. I wanted to add a button to toggle "Disable Previews" on the toolbar-meny. how do i do this?
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09:40.32paleywienerhi, i use kde 3.5 is there a way to add a toggle button to the main toolbar to toggle image-preview
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09:42.37paleywiener?
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09:56.41paleywienerhello, I use KDE 3.5/Konqueror 3.5; I wanted to know how i could add a toggle image-preview button to konq's main toolbar? Also, is there a way to click on a dir and invoke a xterm on it? I got part of this working by creating a xyz.desktop file (i can click on a image file and open a xterm in the dir that contains the image)Please help, thank you.
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10:01.41toolshi all.. how can I change the fontsize of kde-apps?
10:01.43toolserm
10:01.48toolsgtk-apps I mean
10:02.04toolswhen running kde that is of course
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10:05.51paleywienertools: wouldn't gtk apps be dependent on the gtk libs.. ergo how could you use kde to change a font used via gtk?
10:07.10terietortools: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml
10:07.15terietorread this guide
10:07.37terietorsomewhere in the end descreibes how to make gtk apps to look like qt ones!
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10:08.13terietori have a prob with plasma's effect
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10:08.20terietori cannot activate them
10:08.24terietorcan u help me?
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10:25.35elliot98where do I find the qdbus methods for kde?
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10:30.12cb400felliot98: qdbusviewer
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10:43.28jornMamarok: problem still exists even with kde 4.5.2
10:43.54Mamarokjorn: very strange, you did start korganizer at least once?
10:44.13Mamarokit shows correctly here, but I use Kontact
10:44.20Mamaroknot the separate elements
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10:45.01OzoNea las buenas
10:46.27jornMamarok: this is just the reminder daemon which is supposed to run even in case kontakt or korganizer doesn't
10:47.33jornbut neither running korganizer nor kontact loads the icon
10:49.13jornwhat i can do to get the icon is: fire up korganizer, go to settings / general / system tray, deactivate checkbox "show reminder daemon in systray", apply (empty box in systray disappears), reactivate it and apply (korganizer icon shows up in systray).
10:49.34jornbut: as soon as I logout and back in it's all back to empty icon in systray
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11:03.35Peace-anyone know how to disable query on konversation ?
11:04.34Kalidarnhey is it possible to change the blue halo around windows
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11:15.43elliot98cb400f: qdbusviewer does not exist, only qdbus
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11:18.07Kalidarnmm oxygen-molecule is quite nice
11:19.50cb400fKalidarn: gtk-oxygen-engine might be nicer ;-) .. not quite decided yet though
11:20.07Peace-elliot98: you have to install qt4 dev tools
11:20.10Peace-elliot98: to get it
11:20.18elliot98Peace-: oh oh
11:20.18Kalidarnhmm i think i have those already
11:20.31Kalidarnany of you know what package it is in kubuntu?
11:20.39Peace-Kalidarn: i have kubuntu just a sec
11:20.49cb400felliot98: on opensuse it's in libqt4-x11
11:20.51elliot98Peace-: I'm using KDE 4.2.2 - were the qdbus methods developed much during that time
11:20.58cb400fbut pretty sure it's installed by default
11:21.12Peace-The program 'qdbusviewer' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
11:21.13Peace-sudo apt-get install qt4-dev-tools
11:21.28Kalidarnah cool no it wasn't installed
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11:21.45Kalidarnnot sure why i installed kdesdk
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11:22.00Peace-when you type ther program on konsole
11:22.13Peace-in my distro if  programn is not installed
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11:22.21Peace-it says which pakcakge has it
11:22.22Kalidarnyeah same Peace
11:22.29Kalidarntrue
11:22.32cb400fKalidarn: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/gtk-oxygen-engine?content=129715
11:23.00elliot98qt devs are 150MB...oish
11:23.08Kalidarnso as opposed to being a theme
11:23.20Kalidarnit's an actual engine designed to interpret what various gtk widgets are supposed to be?
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11:23.52Kalidarni've always liked how Qt is really good at emulating GTK apps it's a pity GTK isn't so good at emulating Qt apps ^_^
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11:28.36Kalidarncb400f: gtk-oxygen-engine is an option in the GTK+ Apperance module?
11:28.41elliot98where can I find good tutorial about qdbus, using the methods, interface_names, etc..
11:29.05Kalidarncb400f: or do i have to restart KDE to see it
11:29.46cb400fKalidarn: I think when I installed the package it appeared as theme in the gtk-style thing in systemsettings under the name "oxygen"
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11:30.55Kalidarnmaybe i have to login angain
11:32.07Kalidarnhmm no that didn't help
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11:33.20Kalidarnim sure it's installed by default
11:33.31Kalidarnbut i changed it and then when i went in there to change it back it was gone
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11:41.04Kalidarnmm
11:41.22KalidarnPeace-: do you know how to enable it?
11:45.18elliot98I am trying to run qdbus org.kde.kmail /kmail/kmail_mainwindow_1 org.kde.KMainWindow.activateAction check_mail_in
11:45.29elliot98how do I determine which specific mailboxes to check?
11:45.39Kalidarnlol elliot98 how do i enable this?
11:45.43Kalidarnperhaps i need to restart kdm
11:45.50Kalidarnto see it in the gtk change settings module thingy
11:46.02elliot98enable what?
11:46.02Kalidarncos i do not see a theme called "Oxygen"
11:46.02Kalidarnin there
11:46.15Kalidarnwhen i installed  qt4-dev-tools
11:46.48elliot98I'm all in the CLI...not yet up to themes
11:47.01Kalidarnoh yeah im lazy i use kubuntu on my desktop lol
11:47.57Peace-Kalidarn: sorry i was out
11:48.04Kalidarnoh
11:48.08Kalidarnso how do i switch to it
11:48.17Peace-Kalidarn: what?
11:48.25Kalidarngtk-oxygen-engine
11:48.36Kalidarni thought it'd be in GTK+ Apperance
11:48.46elliot98also, how do I set property values using qdbus?
11:48.51Kalidarni installed  qt4-dev-tools
11:49.13Peace-Kalidarn: coudl explain better your problem i can't understand i was taking a coffe right now
11:49.14Peace-xD
11:49.26Peace-so
11:49.40Peace-you have installed qt4 .dev tools to do what?
11:49.55Kalidarnsomeone said that gtk-oxygen-engine was included in that
11:49.59Peace-no
11:50.02Kalidarnoh
11:50.04Peace-that is not true
11:50.12Peace-Kalidarn: you have kubntu right?
11:50.14Kalidarnmaybe i mis-read lol.
11:50.16Kalidarnyer
11:50.21Peace-Kalidarn: i think yes
11:50.38Peace-Kalidarn: qt4.dev tools is needed to get qdbusviewer
11:50.42Peace-Kalidarn: anyway
11:50.46Kalidarnoh lol
11:51.27Kalidarni've tried googling about all i get is other stuff lol
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11:52.46Kalidarnoh lol i did noob up there haha
11:52.47Peace-Kalidarn: can you see this http://imagebin.ca/view/wCHL1ZyS.html
11:52.48elliot98the qdbus org.kde.kmail /kmail/kmail_mainwindow_1 org.kde.KMainWindow.activateAction only allows the name of the action to perform,
11:52.52elliot98but not variables to it
11:52.53Kalidarnguess going to bed at 5AM doesn't help
11:53.03elliot98how do I send along variables too
11:53.05elliot98?
11:53.44KalidarnPeace-: i do see that script in there.
11:53.50Kalidarnit must be the theme QtCurve then
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11:54.52Kalidarnmmm yeah i think molecule looks better
11:55.08elliot98I guess the version of KDE I'm using does not yet implement certain features...
11:55.28Peace-elliot98: you need to study
11:55.28Kalidarnyeah im using 4.5.2
11:55.30Peace-xD
11:55.54elliot98Peace-: :)
11:56.08elliot98Peace-: where's the local qdbus university?
11:56.23Peace-world wide web
11:56.25Peace-:)
11:56.49Peace-anyway  here from italy seee yaaa
11:56.54Peace-i have to go
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11:57.11elliot98bye!
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12:19.01paleywieneris there some way by which i can figure out the various Service Types and Actions on offer by various kde programs
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12:42.10elliot98paleywiener: you mean something like qdbusviewer?
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12:46.17nCdywhat's better openbox or kde >_<
12:47.15elliot98elliot98: what is better?
12:47.46nCdyyes ... )
12:50.56pinotreenCdy: the one you prefer most
12:51.55nCdyI can't chose >_< both is good :D
12:53.11AndrzejLthe best is kde
12:53.17AndrzejLlxde is right behind it
12:53.25AndrzejLopenbox is not for me ;)
12:53.32AndrzejLI like jwm too ;)
12:53.33cb400flxde uses openbox
12:53.37nCdyI hate lxde =='
12:53.43AndrzejLhehe ;)
12:53.59AndrzejLdo You know whats best about all of the DE?
12:54.02AndrzejLCHOICE
12:54.03AndrzejL;)_
12:54.28nCdy:D
12:54.30cb400fhm.. since I first tried KDE I never felt like there was any choice anymore ;-)
12:55.10nCdyI like clear openbox with tint2 panel and some good terminal and it fast (faster that KDE) , but KDE is more beauty ... and have some good features )
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12:58.04nCdySo :D what is just better , KDE or OpenBox XD I want epic holy answer like clarity ! :3
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12:59.28jonnornCdy: false dicthomy, you can use Openbox in KDE. Or KDE applications in Openbox or whatnot
12:59.56nCdyjonnor: yes ... but I more like kwin with kde ^_^
13:00.17nCdyjonnor: can I use kwim with openbox ? >_<
13:00.40nCdy(with clear X serv I mean) sorry for wrong syntax )
13:02.44Kame2nCdy: what an easy question... you are in #kde so the only holy DE ist kde. simple as that ;)
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13:05.24paleywieneris there some way by which i can figure out the various Service Types and Actions on offer by various kde programs. I'm trying to add a menu-item to start xterm within a particular folder on right-click. I have a test.desktop file and it works with images (right click image and "start xterm", will create an xterm in the concerned folder) but i need to get it working with "Folders" and for that I need to figure out the "service type" for folders..
13:05.24paleywienerfor images it's image/*
13:06.23paleywienerany way to query sycoca using perl or python? I don't know c++
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13:08.10pinotreepaleywiener: inode/directory
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13:12.07paleywienerpinotree: hey, thanks :) how did you identify that.. also can i fiddle around with kde using perl?? guess not..? I'd like to maybe query sycoca and see what "actions" various plugins have provided..
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13:55.31Oleg_hi
13:55.36nobarkinghello
13:56.01nobarkingwhat's a good recommended KDE SC based distro?
13:57.38bonsaikittennobarking: most work well. Everyone has his favourite.
13:57.39Oleg_gentoo, slackware, ubuntu, Debian, fedora core, and freebsd
13:57.58nobarkingbonsaikitten: what's your favorite?
13:58.23bonsaikittengentoo
13:58.26bonsaikittenobviously
13:59.18Oleg_gentoo is the king and queen
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14:00.52Oleg_slackware and freebsd are the close second
14:01.14Torchnobarking: depends on your requirements completely
14:01.40Oleg_bonsaikitten: oh, I see you are an op in the gentoo channel
14:02.14bonsaikittenOleg_: not only :)
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14:03.52nobarkingnever tried gentoo
14:04.26nobarkingwhy do you say gentoo is the best KDE SC distro?
14:04.45bonsaikittenI didn't say that. I said it's my personal favourite
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14:06.29nobarkingwhy is your personal favorite?
14:06.47nobarkingwhat does gentoo do in terms of KDE SC that other distros don't?
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14:09.16fixlgood question ... i quite liked aptosid (formerly sidux), but kde on gentoo works like a charm
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14:10.12fixlkubuntu's kde integration didn't feel good to me
14:10.50nobarkingyup, there are lot of complaints about kubuntu
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14:11.33fixlwell i switched from kubuntu to sidux
14:11.37fixland from that to gentoo
14:12.03alienBOBNow's the time to switch once more to Slackware then...
14:12.16fixlalienBOB: why?
14:12.34fixli had to have a play with it at uni
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14:12.52fixlno X though
14:13.10alienBOBfixl: obviously I think Slackware is a good distro for KDE
14:14.34fixlalienBOB: I see.
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14:23.57Oleg_bonsaikitten: portage 2.1.9.x is still not a part of a stable distro
14:24.15bonsaikitten... and?
14:24.44Oleg_bonsaikitten: that's weird
14:24.54bonsaikittenno, be patient :)
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14:29.36jaafarCan someone tell me how to change the startup sequence? i.e, both the order of starting of regular apps and those docked in my taskbar...  I want to have my network come up first thing
14:30.07jaafarIt's not easy to figure out from docs.kde.org - I think I first have to know which program is controlling this?
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14:36.10esdanieljaafar: which distro are you using?
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14:41.17jaafaresdaniel: hi! it's kubuntu, thanks
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14:48.06paleywieneris there a easy (using a scripting langauge - perl, python) way to query the sycoca app and figure out what "Actions" are registered with it
14:48.30thiagoktraderclient
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14:50.11paleywienerthiago thanks :)
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15:04.18esdanieljaafar: your network daemon is part of the init scripts... /etc/sysconfig if i remember correctly
15:05.13esdanieljaafar: to test, before login switch to a terminal (Ctrl-Alt-F1), log in then ping something to verify your network is 'up'
15:05.54esdanieljaafar: with respect to specific network settings applied thereafter by KDE someone else might like to continue where I've left off
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15:07.15paleywienerthiago: is there a way to get a dump of all the "actions"  stuf like: Action name="new_window"
15:08.04paleywieneri'd like to add a button to konqueror which opens one particular folder when clicked
15:09.21thiagopaleywiener: no idea, sorry
15:10.40paleywienernm, thanks though. ktradertest (on lenny)
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15:12.21jaafaresdaniel: thanks so much for your help.  /etc/sysconfig sounds like where the system (i.e., more fundamental than KDE) config is done.  I do find that my network comes up only once the network manager plasmoid (or whatever the taskbar item is) appears
15:13.06jaafarso I'm thinking that the system bits appear in an unconfigured or quiescent state, waiting to be told to connect (esp. wrt my wireless password etc.)
15:13.52jaafarif I could only get the network manager thing to happen first my startup experience would be much more pleasant.  Instead I have to deal with e.g. kwallet, the printer applet, etc etc
15:14.18jaafarmeanwhile web browser etc. is coming up and telling me I have no network
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15:20.48esdanieljaafar: "web browser coming up" this is something you configured... if you've set several apps to autostart then it's a case of how you approached that
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15:21.21esdanieljaafar: for example, i have a custom startup script i click once the desktop is loaded, it has the things in the sequence i want
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15:22.21esdanieljaafar: with respect to how things load such as plasmoids i would gather it's how the *rc files get parsed and the sequences therein
15:22.42esdanieljaafar: there are not any simple means of managing those sequences other than by hacking the config files directly
15:22.49esdanielSomeone else correct me if I'm wrong!
15:23.26jaafaresdaniel: I'm cool with hacking config files!  Just wish I knew which one... or does the plasma desktop load them in alpha order or something?
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15:23.54esdanieljaafar: it's annoying spaghetti - grep/ack is your god, learn to use that to hunt config info
15:24.18jaafaryeah, find ~/.kde -exec grep network {} \; -ls reveals nothing useful :)
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15:24.46esdanieljaafar: grep -R net ~/.kde/share/config/
15:25.23esdanielkeep it simple
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15:27.50jaafaresdaniel: good one, I'll have to remember that :)
15:28.13esdanieljaafar: check out ack vs grep as well
15:28.30jaafaresdaniel: ack is a new one to me.  I thought you were misspelling "awk" :)
15:28.41esdanielhttp://betterthangrep.com
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15:29.30jaafaresdaniel: thanks for all your help.  I think I'll set this one aside and wait for a flash of insight to come.  It's been like this for ages, I can wait a little longer
15:31.13jaafarnice, ack looks like it packages up things I do a lot while coding
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15:34.55parapentehi. I have a problem with the sound volume in kde 4.5.2 using pulseaudio. If I have amarok playing and another program triggers a sound event, the volume goes up to 100%. I can't really tell if it kde, pulseaudio or amarok's fault
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15:44.22rdieterparapente: likely pulseaudio's flat-volume feature going awry
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15:45.22rdieterparapente: you can disable that by setting, flat-volumes = no , in pulse's daemon.conf (lives @ /etc/pulse/daemon.conf on my fedora box, but ymmv)
15:45.42rdieterparapente: to see if that helps any (you'll need to restart pa or your session after making that change)
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15:49.30parapenterdieter, thanks! I'll try that
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16:04.36parapenterdieter, the flat-volumes = no prevents master volume from going to 100%, however the amarok volume still goes 100% whenever a sound event occurs. Any ideas?
16:04.47parapentecould it be a phonon bug?
16:05.53rdieterparapente: dunno, never seen that (amarok's volume changing on it's own)
16:06.17xaphiris there a way to manually tell phonon to use oss?
16:07.06thiagophonon doesn't use oss directly
16:07.14thiagophonon uses a backend, which in turn uses whatever it wants to
16:07.16thiagomost of them use ALSA
16:07.49krikoparapente: do you use pulseaudio?
16:07.51parapenterdieter, thanks anyway! I'll keep on googling
16:08.01parapentekriko, yes
16:08.10krikotry to disable it and relogin
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16:08.33krikonever saw such issue and I don't use pulseaudio
16:08.44parapenteok I'll try that
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16:19.55parapentekriko, indeed it seems to be a pulseaudio issue
16:20.26parapentewithout pulseaudio the amarok doesn't change it's volume
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16:25.36krikoparapente: good to see you've sorted out
16:26.43parapenteit would be nice if I managed to get pulseaudio to work correctly though. this didn't seem to happen in kde 4.5.1
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16:37.29xaphirIs arts still used in kde 4+ or is it deprecated
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16:43.04shadyabhiWhats the normal memory usage for plasma-desktop?
16:43.09parapentexaphir, no arts no longer exists in kde4
16:43.56xaphirwhat's doing the mixing parapente?
16:44.48parapentexaphir, if you don't have pulseaudio installed, ALSA
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16:45.23shadyabhiMemory usage for plasma-desktop reaches 250 MB and up after keeping my PC on for 3 days.. Right now, its 296MB!!
16:46.54parapenteshadyabhi, here in top, in the RES column plasma-desktop shows 129MB
16:47.09xaphirparapente: phonon doesn't do any mixing functions then
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16:47.43shadyabhiI am on KDE 4.5.2. So, what can be the issue?
16:47.48shadyabhiparapente: ^
16:48.24parapentexaphir, no, alsa does that actually. phonon just helps applications to easily detect audio hardware and use it
16:48.44parapenteshadyabhi, I don't really know :-/ Can't help you there
16:49.01parapenteI'm on 4.5.2 too
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17:06.48thomasjKDE 4.5.2, uptime 5 Days+, plasma-desktop 79M
17:09.40thiago_home79 MB of what?
17:09.42thomasjProbably depends on the activitys/plasmoids you're using. But that's just a guess.
17:10.02thiago_homeif it's VSZ, that's very small
17:10.05thomasjthiago_home: RES in htop
17:10.15thiago_homehow much of that RSS is shared?
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17:10.30thomasj33M
17:10.51thomasjVirt is 1280M
17:11.21thiago_homeso you have 46 MB of unshared memory
17:11.45thomasjYep
17:11.50thiago_homethat's a higher than mine. I am at 33 MB.
17:12.20thomasjI knew it's not the best out there :)
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17:13.38thomasjBut i'm happy. plasma-desktop/plasma is getting better with every release.
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17:13.59thomasjAnd now that i finally understand how to use the activitys, i'm really happy
17:14.21thomasjhttp://hanschen.org/2009/11/17/how-do-you-use-activities/
17:15.02thomasjAnd i still type it wrong :( /me writes thousand times "activities"
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17:23.00Sanitoeterhi, is there a way to have ksplash at autologin, too? Right now I can see a cursor on a black screen only and I have to guess when the login process finished
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17:32.51shadyabhithomasj: have u switched off composition?
17:33.21shadyabhithomasj: Sorry, didnt see your message.. My message was not in your reply so didnt get the notification
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17:39.03thomasjCompositing )kwin effects) is on
17:39.15thomasjMeh.. I still can't type :)
17:41.02thomasjThough i changed the default effects.
17:41.08shadyabhithomasj: Ohk. Then I have some issue...
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17:41.51shadyabhithomasj: I also have only wobbly,glide & minimize animation on
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17:42.50thomasjI have a couple more, but i doubt it's that.
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17:50.43thomasjshadyabhi: have you tried to find out if more people with your distro have the "issue"?
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17:52.15shadyabhithomasj: I dont think distro will be issue. My distro doest have X by default. I am on ArchLinux64
17:52.27shadyabhithomasj: So, its pure KDE installed
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17:58.32r4tunekde plasma-desktop is crashing after updating to the latest nvidia drivers with "floating point exception". now i can downgrade either kde or the nvidia drivers but does anyone have a better solution?
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17:58.43r4tuneit does this every time.
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18:00.03r4tuneI am using 4.5.1 via OpenSUSE Factory backports to 11.3
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18:00.55cb400ftry updating then ;-) .. you should have 4.5.2
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18:03.05r4tunethen i'd have to run factory factory
18:03.06r4tuneheh
18:03.16r4tunestill
18:03.18r4tunewhy not
18:04.14r4tuneah
18:04.18r4tunei am running 4.5.2
18:04.22ABCDI'm trying to figure out if this is an actual bug or expected behavior: in kpat, when I accidentally miss one of the cards and drag the table behind them, the *entire window* starts moving -- which is *not* expected behavior, and I would argue is a *regression* from previous behavior
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18:04.26r4tunesort of
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18:04.49r4tuneim not sure what opensuse are doing with that but i am running: KDE Development Platform: 4.5.2 (KDE 4.5.2) yet, KWin: 4.5.1 (KDE 4.5.1)
18:04.54pinotreeABCD: that's the oxygen style allow window dragging on empty spots
18:05.07r4tunethis is what their repo gave me
18:05.11pinotreerun `oxygen-settings` and disable that feature, if you don't want to
18:05.35ABCDpinotree: so, how do I disable that for places where it *shouldn't* happen, but not for apps where it should?
18:05.49pinotreei don't think you can
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18:06.59ABCDthen that's a bug -- I don't think accidentally missing a card by a single pixel means that I should be dragging the containing window all over creation
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18:08.17terietordoes anyone know where can i find a list with the current devs?
18:08.57pinotreeterietor: what for?
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18:10.37terietorpinotree: i am using gentoo linux,which has a list with the current devs.i am just curious to learn the current number of the devs and the consistence of the teams
18:10.53terietorjust for curiocity
18:11.00pinotreewe don't have anything like that
18:14.20r4tuneterietor: if you looked at an archive of the mailing list and scraped the maintainers from bug reporting system you'd have a pretty good list.
18:14.46terietorr4tune: thanks
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18:17.02mgraesslinterietor: you might also like this blog http://blogs.fsfe.org/padams/
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18:18.33terietormgraesslin: thank you
18:20.24r4tuneterietor: if you scrape the bug reporting system it might be nice to do it via google since everyone abuses their bandwidth and you would steal a fair bit of kde bandwidth doing that
18:21.55terietorr4tune: i didn't understand what u told me?
18:22.02r4tunegoogle caches pages
18:22.11r4tunecache:http://www.foo.com
18:22.13r4tuneetc
18:22.20r4tunen/m
18:22.58terietorr4tune: oh,i see
18:23.01terietorthanks
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18:32.31ShishKababIs there an easy way to make Kate recognize *.pyx and *.pxd files as Python files? I've already changed the mimetype of Python files, but this doesn't seem to work for Kate.
18:33.17r4tuneShishKabab sudo: ln -sf `which vim` `which kate`
18:33.23r4tune:P
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18:34.15r4tunetries opening a python file in kate and poking it
18:34.25ShishKababr4tune: Haha, I triend Vim, but it doesn't get along with Klipper too well :S
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18:34.35r4tuneShishKabab: it does if you set mouse to off
18:34.39r4tunethen use console to copy
18:34.44r4tuneor rather set mouse=h
18:34.55r4tunethen you can still click around in help
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18:35.39r4tunemouse in vim is irritating anyway, it moves the cursor when you re-select the screen and you can always select a visual block faster with the keyboard
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18:35.49FinswimmerHello, I have following service menu entry. It should work on PDF files, but it does not: [Desktop Entry] ; Type=Service
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18:36.04FinswimmerServiceTypes=KonqPopupMenu/Plugin MimeTypes=application/pdf;
18:36.26FinswimmerIf I omit the MimeType it works.
18:36.41r4tuneShishKabab: that's odd, kate recognises pyx files as python here
18:36.55r4tunei didn't do a thing, it has a shebang though and a python utf-8 marker
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18:37.03r4tunedeletes them and sees what happens
18:37.13FinswimmerJust found it itselfs...as always when I am posting something. It must be "MimeType" not "MimeTypes"
18:37.19ShishKababr4tune: Ok, what happened was that while in visual mode when moving the cursor to the right for example klipper would get entries for each stage in the selection, like w, wo, wor, word.
18:38.00r4tuneit picked up the shebang thats why it knew it was pythong
18:38.07ShishKababr4tune: I don't use shebangs in *.pyx files since they're not executable :)
18:38.20r4tuneShishKabab: I use vim and clipper together without trouble so i don't know why yours is naughty :)
18:38.41r4tuneShishKabab: yeah... *looks around to see if there's a way of doing it*
18:39.30ShishKababr4tune: Interesting. I'll try some more with Vim later. It heard it also has Python code-completion.
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18:40.10r4tuneit has several versions of python code completion
18:40.15r4tuneyou would want rope for it
18:40.19r4tuneand maybe pydiction
18:40.58r4tunerope also does refactoring :)
18:41.11r4tuneand has code help for the system call you're doing
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18:42.27ShishKababOk, sounds interesting. The only disadvantage I have is that I can only type with one (left) hand, so hitting ESC all the time will take some extra time.
18:42.45ShishKababOr is that configurable?
18:43.24r4tuneyou are nearly always in "normal" mode in vim, you do have to hit ESC a lot but you could change ESC to another key if you din't like it
18:45.04ShishKababMaybe I'll change it to the Windows, uhm, super key :)
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18:52.28ShishKababr4tune: I think I found it. I've edited /usr/share/kde4/apps/katepart/syntax/python.xml . Now let's hope that dpkg won't overwrite it :) .
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19:02.49r4tuneShishKabab: chattr +i python.xml
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19:02.55r4tuneShishKabab: I worked it out another way
19:03.02r4tunei straced kate and it uses the mime magic files
19:03.21r4tuneso i just added a mime magic for python that looks for the charset encoding , i always put that in python files
19:04.11r4tuneShishKabab: dpkg can't overwrite it if you do that
19:04.16r4tuneanyway bbl
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19:24.21mo0n_sniperwhat application can be used in kde to issue commands atop the fish protocol?
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19:25.05thiago_homenone
19:25.12leo_rockwaymo0n_sniper: konsole and ssh? o.o
19:25.13thiago_homekio_fish only issues its own commands
19:26.13mo0n_sniperi would like to have a program to browse files and issue comands
19:26.24mo0n_sniperon a server thru ssh
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19:27.21thiago_homewhat leo_rockway said
19:27.26thiago_homekonsole + ssh for issuing commands
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19:28.00leo_rockwayI use yakuake ^_^
19:28.13mo0n_sniperyes but i'm looking for somenthing like midnight commander with a gui
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19:28.26mo0n_sniperyou see the files and you issue commands
19:28.40mo0n_sniperI also use yakuake :)
19:28.52mo0n_sniperis there something like that?
19:29.00Sho_maybe Krusader
19:29.34mo0n_sniperSho_, good idea
19:29.45thiago_homecommands cannot be sent via the same ssh connection as kio_fish uses
19:29.53thiago_homekio_fish doesn't let commands be sent
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19:30.42mo0n_sniperoh, didn't know that
19:31.06mo0n_sniperis there another solution that could have them both?
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19:41.37sharp15how do i make kdm aknowledge new .desktop files in /etc/X11/sessions?  does it have a different directory that it checks?
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20:01.23sharp15how do i register new window managers with kdm?
20:02.25thiago_homeinstall their .desktop files in the place that kdm searches for
20:02.57sharp15thiago_home: what are those locations?
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20:03.08rdietersharp15: find your kdmrc, and look for SessionsDirs= directive
20:03.16thiago_home$KDEDIRS/share/apps/kdm/sessions
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20:09.36sharp15thiago_home: where is $KDEDIRS defined?
20:10.28thiago_homeusually nowhere
20:10.34thiago_homeit defaults to kde4-config --prefix
20:10.49thiago_homeplus kde4-config --localprefix
20:11.32sharp15thiago_home: thank you for the follow on comments.  i wanted to know who defined it (KDE or distro) and how to determine it.
20:11.53thiago_homefor kdm, --localprefix has no meaning, of course
20:12.27sharp15only "of course" if you know the difference.  which i don't.
20:12.59thiago_homerun the two commands and you'll see the difference
20:13.08thiago_homeremember that kdm is the *login* manager
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20:39.03Torchsharp15: localprefix is for the current _user_.
20:39.10Torchsharp15: that's not a concept a login manager could have.
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20:44.22arkaschaUsing kde-4.5.2 and opensuse-11.3 I fail to setup keyboard shortcuts to launch applications ?!? I tried setting them in the menu editor (they are stored and show next time I open it), but the key sequence does not fire the application...
20:44.35arkaschaWhat else can I try ? Why doesnt this work as expected ?
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20:48.51leo_rockwayarkascha: go to system settings > common appearance and behaviour > shortcuts and gestures > custom shortcuts
20:48.56leo_rockwaymake sure kmenuedit is enabled
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20:54.52arkaschaleo_rockway: you saved my evening !
20:54.59arkaschaleo_rockway: *thanks*
20:55.19leo_rockwayarkascha: I've been there too...
20:55.20leo_rockwayno problem
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21:27.41binghi folks, i've started a project to document the free software culture by collecting desktop videos of free software being developed
21:28.15bingi'd like to include some videos of kde being developed
21:28.34bingthe idea is to have very short 1-2 minute videos, and they'll be hosted on archive.org.
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21:29.09bingdoes anybody want to upload a video?
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21:30.59bingi'm not looking for demos, or tutorials... but an authentic depiction of free software being developed
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21:45.42dasKreechbing: I'm confused you want a video of KDE "being developed" ?
21:46.17bingdasKreech: yes, a desktop video of someone programming, or writing documentation, or just generally contributing to the project
21:46.40bingdasKreech: by desktop video i mean a screencast.  created with recordmydesktop or something.
21:46.42dasKreechpoints bing to userbase.kde.org
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21:47.20dasKreechbing: Put up a page there and record yourself. Pretty easy
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21:47.38bingdasKreech: oh, it's a larger project than that
21:47.46bingdasKreech: www.asselstine.com/1000minutes
21:47.49dasKreechbing: it's a start :)
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22:30.50icwienere01: Turning off Desktop Effects helped here.
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22:32.55uessebee01:  http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/190 check this link
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22:38.04junkDawgieKDE4.5.2/Qt4.7, i have konversation v1.3.1 which occasionally will  have the mouse cursor disappear when hovering over the tab area of the window layout.... restart konversation and this annoyance disappears, anyone confirm?
22:39.12Sho_junkDawgie: It's a non-Konversation-specific Qt bug that appeared in Qt 4.6rc1 and is fixed by Qt 4.7.1 which should be out shortly. Some distributions (e.g. Fedora and I believe also Kubuntu) have also backported the fix to their Qt 4.7.0 packages.
22:40.31junkDawgieunderstood, Sho_.... yes, i have noticed it for quite some time...... thanks for your input.
22:41.11Sho_np
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22:41.41junkDawgiefor me it only appears on konversation thou, some code that is not used by most other applications
22:42.24junkDawgiewe'll see what Qt 4.7.1 does... thanks :)
22:42.33Sho_junkDawgie: FWIW, to reproduce it you have to copy several lines to your clipboard, then place your mouse cursor over the input line, then type something into the input line which causes the cursor to be hidden, then Ctrl+V to trigger the large paste warning dialog and then dismiss it with ESC, and then your cursor will get stuck hidden over half the UI
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22:43.48junkDawgiesounds like it's connected to that feature that adds the ability to type different lines and scroll up or down to issue them
22:44.03junkDawgiefrom the input box
22:44.04Sho_junkDawgie: the underlying technical problem is that Qt's widget cursor property inheritance stuff gets messed up when a non-native widget gets converted into a native window, which you can cause to happen in pretty much any app, it's just more likely in Konversation due to the above sequence of events being fairly common
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22:44.44Sho_to recap, Qt 4.7.1 fixes it and some distros have also backported the fix to their 4.7.0 packages
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22:45.10junkDawgiemakes sense.... that really made it clear, Sho_1.... i'm thankful you were around to truely explain.
22:46.49Sho_junkDawgie: http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/releases/commit/f9312fec1c44097a2093b3075aa68901327eb9c5 <- the patch that fixes it
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22:55.00sithlord48i'm having issues w/ amarok (kde 4.5.2) i put some files in my ~/music and it didn't add them to the collection.. so i tried "update collection" and the full rescan no change. i have even removed my ~/.kde/apps/share/amarok folder now it only sees 161 tracks in that folder (of over 7k )
22:56.00sithlord48its amarok 2.3.2
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23:13.00_stijn_I'm working on an Plasmoid
23:13.16_stijn_Now I want to get some data of a website
23:13.45_stijn_can I do this through an DataEngine and if yes, which DataEngine do I use?
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23:16.59howlymowlyhi poeple :)  short question:  does rekonq already support chromium extensions?
23:17.25Sho_no
23:17.46Sho_there is some ongoing work in a branch
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23:26.16_stijn_does anyone worked with RemoteDataEngine ?
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23:32.30g3manhi
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23:34.01g3manthanks 4 KDE
23:34.06g3man;-)
23:34.23_stijn_who needs gnome, right? :P
23:34.59g3mangnome? what's this!? :P
23:36.34_stijn_dunnow, some sloppy desktop env.
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