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00:23.11xrdodrxI need to get in touch with a KDE webmaster
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00:23.14xrdodrxhttp://www.google.com/search?aq=0&oq=akregat&sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=akregator
00:23.39xrdodrx!ops
00:23.43xrdodrxumm
00:23.45xrdodrx!help
00:23.52xrdodrxjust decides to wait
00:26.35Jucatoheh. it does redirect to the correct site. it's only Google's search result text that's incorrect. I wonder where it got the text though
00:26.57xrdodrxJucato, a webmaster needs to contact Google
00:27.03xrdodrxcan you help me find one?
00:27.10Jucato#kde-www
00:27.16xrdodrxty
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05:20.04Affixfirst time in like 4  years i've used KDE
05:20.08AffixI love the changes
05:22.56shocklateboy92what was the last version you used?
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05:26.10Affix2
05:26.12Affixlol
05:26.23shocklateboy92wow..
05:26.49Affix4.5 is nice
05:26.54AffixI like the interface
05:27.05Affixjust don't like the 1 click open malarcky
05:27.17shocklateboy92malarcky?
05:27.31Affixscottish word for rubbish lol
05:27.35shocklateboy92ah
05:27.48shocklateboy92well, double-click is a global option
05:28.10Affixcool enable it in system settings?
05:28.15shocklateboy92yeah
05:28.30shocklateboy92System Settings --> Input Devices --> Mouse
05:29.04Affixnice thanks :)
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05:44.29shocklateboy92hi
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06:52.36AllOfMeI heard there's a win32 build of krita - not part of the kde4win suite - is this true?
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07:59.57quentinhello! how can I enable transparency for the kmenu if it is not enabled with the default settings under my old userspace (http://img2.imageshack.us/i/screenshot1qi.png/) but it is under newly created user-home (http://img181.imageshack.us/i/bildschirmfoto1l.png/)?
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08:41.57AlexC_morning
08:42.28AlexC_running 4.5.3, when logging in there is a massive delay before I can use KDE. I have to wait around 1 minute before things in the system tray load, then I can use my desktop. Why is this?
08:42.54AlexC_I've also noticed that once it does load, a dialog pops up saying 'The application KDE Daemon has requested access to your wallet' or something similar
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09:32.42equo99oi'm running kde 4.5.2 on fedora 13 and desktop effect disabled temporally at start up . how do i enable it at start up
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11:55.02dilbertHi, I have little problem, I try to build a vpn plugin for knetworkmanager, the plugin builds fine, but it dosen't show up in the list of vpn plugins
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11:55.44dilbertI think I have a bug with my KPluginFactory
11:56.14dilbertbut if someone knows knetworkmanager internals
11:56.34dilbertand would push my in the right direction, it would be nice
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12:20.32crocketDoes dophin utilize udev if udev is installed?
12:20.40crocketI want to ditch hald
12:21.09crockethald is useless as hald can't unmount an NTFS partition mounted using ntfs-3g on FreeBSD.
12:21.34crocketfuse4bsd mounts /dev/da5s1, and /dev/fuse1 instead of /dev/da5s1 is mounted onto the mount point.
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12:22.01crocketSince hald never knows that /dev/fuse1 is mounted instead of /dev/da5s1, hald can't unmount the mount point.
12:22.08crocketmaybe udev can solve this issue.
12:22.12cb400fcrocket: kde 4.6 should use udisks.. you can ditch hal then
12:22.32crocketWhat's udisks?
12:22.35cb400ffor now you can't.. if you want hardware abstraction features :-)
12:22.51cb400fit's udev stuff.. replacing hal
12:23.10cb400fudisks.. upower... the next generation of devicekit
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12:23.17cb400fsomething like that.. I can't keep track
12:23.47crocketWhere's udev?
12:24.04crocketudev is a successor of hald in the arena of device naming.
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12:29.27crocket"According to DeviceKit devel mailing list, DeviceKit is getting merged with udev-extra and the existing DeviceKit programs such as DeviceKit-disks and DeviceKit-power will be switched over to use libudev."
12:29.36crocketDeviceKit will be merged to udev
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13:08.16crissihello. i'm using latest nvidia drivers (260.19.12) on kubuntu 10.10, nvidia geforce 6200, 2.2 ghz, 2gb ram bhut after while working with kde 4.5.3 from ppa i got massive performance problems.. typing here in quassel causes high cpu load of the xserver
13:08.23crissifor example
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13:10.42crissifor example file open dialog shows up and sorting the files are very slow
13:11.00crissiwhats wrong with kde4?
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13:21.08brotcrissi: there should be nothing wrong with kde
13:21.16crissiit is
13:21.18brotdoes disabling desktop effects help?
13:21.23crissikde4 is slow
13:21.37crissiyes, its still off (first what i did)
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13:22.53crissiand it seems that x will, cause the high cpu load. what the hell kde4 is doing hard with x11?
13:23.11einar77_workcrissi: pushing yet-untested code paths, for example?
13:23.27crissikwin should only dra windows and graphic objects
13:23.52cb400fcould be a flaky plasmoid.. or a ton of other things
13:24.11crissithe machine is fast (2.2ghz) and has enough ram (2gb)
13:24.23cb400fwe have no idea what's running there in terms of gfxdriver, plasmoids, widget styles, window decorations etc.
13:24.53crissithe problems are only with kde4
13:25.01crissikde3 ran very fast here
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13:25.30crissiit should be also fast without opengl (even i have it)
13:25.55crissithe window manager should only draw windows its content
13:26.30crissito tell its the graphic driver is only the half truth.
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13:26.40friesehi
13:27.25crissisure kde4 use more graphic functions if available but it should not result in more poor performance
13:27.56friesei have kde 4 and use opera as standard browser. whenever i click a link, for example on konversation, kde downlaods it into a temporary folder and then opens that downloaded file with opera. i want opera to open the link directly, without first saving it temporary
13:28.13pinotreefriese: if you have kde 4.5.2, upgrade to kde 4.5.3
13:28.17frieseok
13:28.30frieseyep, got 4.5.1
13:28.32cb400fahh.. reading back.. the problems only started after you did an unsupported upgrade to unofficial packages.. well...
13:28.35crissitry to run it on a machine with 500MHz, 500mb ram, 4 mb video card from ati..
13:28.51crissikde4 will be unusable i guess
13:29.39crissievery kde update is better than the first one. so i have to use 4.5.3 instead of 4.5.1
13:30.45friesehmm
13:30.56friesehow to update kde 4.5.3 on kubuntu 10.10?
13:31.02pinotreeask in #kubuntu
13:31.08frieseok
13:31.16cb400ffriese:  ask crissi :-) .. and ask him how much it helped him too :-)
13:31.21crissibut i think the performance issue should be solved be the kde development team.. it not helpful for the users
13:32.05frieseah i found an how-to: http://www.krebsi83.de/2010/11/kubuntu-1010-auf-kde-sc-453-upgraden.html, if anyone speaks german :)
13:32.15crissii googled about it into the net and there a lot of ppl with massive problems
13:32.29cb400fI think people should understand the difference between tested and supported packages and random stuff from a random repo, as well as stop blaming upstream for any problem they have with any repo
13:32.33cb400fdistro
13:33.52crissiit should not depend on packages. compiling kde should result in same software state on different distros because same source
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13:34.39pinotreeright, let's forget about glibc, xorg, video drivers, and so on
13:35.05cb400fyes.. and go tell all the packagers they're doing a trivial, unimportant job
13:35.12crissiright but ubuntu 10.10 is relative new system
13:35.22pinotreenew != bugfree
13:35.42crissiwith newer software than 10.104
13:35.47crissi10.04
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13:37.33crissibut loooking for performance problems in kde4 could not be bad by the kde devs, i'm sure they will find some issuses.
13:37.58cb400fyeah, I'm sure they never thought of that idea before
13:38.00brotcrissi: sure they will
13:38.00bossqoneHello, i need help with KDE latest version (Ubuntu 10.10 , ATI 4980) -> http://imagebin.ca/img/OUTQCM.png
13:38.09crissias i said: try to run it on a machine with 500MHz, 500mb ram, 4 mb video card from ati..
13:38.21crissiif it runs fast the job is done
13:38.45bossqonei tried to change window decoration, but it "fail", look at picture
13:38.51crissi(without desktop effects enabled)
13:38.55bossqone(sry for bad english)
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13:39.11brotcrissi: this is the problem of the ui toolkit
13:39.16brotin that case, qt
13:39.26crissithen, it must be fixed there
13:40.04crissiqt4 is developed since several years.. why there still so much problems in it?
13:40.11pinotreeask in #qt?
13:40.35crissikde use qt4...
13:41.11pinotreeso if there could be some problem lower in kde' stack, it is kde's fault anyway?
13:41.22brotcrissi: you will want to read this: http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2010/11/2d-musings.html
13:41.57Jucato(except for the KDE version and RAM amount, I have not had any graphics-related performance issues with KDE 4)
13:42.18Jucatoalthough my GPU is higher
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13:44.52bossqoneplease, anyone can help me ?
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13:45.16cb400fbossqone: switch back to a windeco that works?
13:45.23cb400fproblem solved
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13:46.25bossqonecb400f, if i changed window decoration back to Oxygen, it work but.....
13:47.16pinotreewhich windeco were you trying to set?
13:48.02brotcrissi: also, read the related qt-labs post. then be happy that devels work at performance problems, learn c++ and start to help them.
13:48.12bossqoneambience, kdust, perfection, uniQ, airglass-black or glowglass-cupertino
13:48.13brotalso remember to brush your teeth twice a day!
13:48.29bossqonebut still same result
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13:52.10crissibrot: qt3 was woring fine... so thge problem starts with qt4...
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13:54.19pinotreeright, then go asking to #qt
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14:06.11pinotreebossqone: no (please avoid private queries)
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14:06.30bossqonepinotree, oke :)
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15:21.12shodan45_what's the status of quanta for kde4? I see some email chatter about sort of merging with kdevelop, is that true?
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16:09.33juice_i run e vnc server on fedoracore , and with vnc viewer i cant play any sound to my computer from remote
16:11.01juice_what i can use to play remote sound?
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16:21.35damnshockjuice_: some sort of pulse audio config
16:21.40damnshockyou'll have to google about it
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16:28.46crocketWhat files does KDM4 read configurations from?
16:29.04crocket.cshrc or .profile is included in the list.
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16:31.42ulysseshello, is there a KDE program to draw entity-relationship diagrams?
16:32.02pinotreeumbrello?
16:33.04damnshockulysses: give umbrello a try
16:33.06damnshock:)
16:34.44ulyssesthank you
16:36.07crocketDoes anybody know what login files kdm reads?
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16:40.43alexandernstIs Konsole compilable & usable in Windows/Mac? Also, is Konsole KDE dependant, or only Qt4 ?
16:41.10annmaKDE
16:41.22khindenburgalexandernst: works on Mac, not windows
16:42.27alexandernstI saw recent ML talking about merging *possibly* KDE libs with Qt. If that's done, will be Konsole Windows compatible?
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16:42.48pinotreeunrelated
16:42.50TheAlienhi :) can anyone tell me why my kde over vnc is a dithered mess? color depth set to 24 via vncserver command line. i see this question asked often in forums but havnt seen an answer. any ideas here??
16:42.58TheAlienits so dithered i cant see the start menu
16:43.30TheAlienkde is great software but not useful if i cant see it :(
16:43.35cb400fdesktop effects running?
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16:44.15TheAliendont think so. its a fresh install. ubuntu server and kde-desktop as far as apt-get will update them..
16:44.22cb400fdunno if it should work or not via vnc.. but turning them off is the first thing I'd try
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16:44.49cb400fpretty sure effects will be enabled then.. if the hardware supports it
16:45.06TheAlienhm ok ill try that! ..but how? if via kde application, whats the app called? kuz i will need to type it since i cant see any text in the kicker menu
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16:45.44cb400falt+shift+f12.. if the vnc server catches shortcuts
16:46.28TheAlienmm nope doesnt look like it
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16:49.15cb400ftry 'kcmshell4 kwincompositing'
16:50.28TheAlienfound it i think, system settings -> desktop effects. "...are not available on this system...required x extentions not available"
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16:51.04cb400fah, then it's a different problem
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16:55.21TheAlienyeah. and i just googled a picture of a rose; its lovely and non-dithered. but the window itself, the title bar, i can hardly read the title of the image thru the horrible dithering
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16:56.17cb400fhmm.. maybe try switching to a different widget style and windeco
16:57.05cb400foxygen widget style and windeco is known to have some performance issues.. especially with kde < 4.5.2
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16:58.52cb400for at least run 'oxygen-settings' and disable all those darn animations
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16:59.11cb400fassuming you have kde 4.5.x and *buntu 10.10
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17:11.32crocketWhere does KDM get paths?
17:11.43crocketI want to add some directories to the list of paths.
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17:13.52dev001How do I sort Bookshelf (e.g., by alphanum order) entries in KJots?
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17:14.47dev001afaict, there's no ability to sort from the interface ...
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17:15.36crocketOK kdm reads /etc/login.conf in FreeBSD
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17:58.59sbjfhi, i'm having some problems with my opensuse laptop: earlier today, it was working fine, then I came home and noticed I could not connect to the internet even though my laptop had a wireless connection (pinging hostnames didn't work, pinging 8.8.8.8 (google dns) worked, and even though my dns was set to 8.8.8.8 I couldn't resolve hostnames. I then restarted and booted windows, when I then started linux again an hour or so ago, my plasma
17:59.36sbjfI logged my startx here: http://pastebin.ca/1986524
18:00.10sbjfAny ideas as to how to fix it?
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18:02.32sbjfOr some system logs I should send you?
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18:07.36javiersbjf: I suggest you asking in #opensuse or #opensuse-kde
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18:19.26ShadowBelmolveanybody can helpe me with kbluetooth? all options are disabled, only About and Quit are enabled :( //I've already started the bluetooth daemon
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18:27.02jamil_1Hello, I have a weird situation here. I am running Kubuntu 10.10, I have few gadgets running but none show on the desktop. I don't know what happened but they were working fine few day back. Any help will be really appreciated
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18:30.49dasKreechdid you change your plasma shell?
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18:32.36jamil_1dasKreech: No, I didn't tinker any settings
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18:41.58ichbinderhello. In Win7, one can show the desktop by switching with Alt+Tab, as it would be a program running... is there a way to have the same behavior in KDE?
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18:42.30dasKreechichbinder: yes
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18:43.49ichbinderdasKreech: code it myself? :) How?
18:44.58dasKreechichbinder: It's in the alt-tab settings
18:45.25dasKreechichbinder: alt+F2 -> switcher -> include desktop
18:45.53ichbinderdasKreech: uuuh! Nice! thank you!!
18:45.55BajK_Does KDE in Version 4.6 offer you to install samba-server? because atm it does not and sharing files is not possible without that (or NFS) but the dialog is completely greyed out
18:46.07BajK_Accessing samba shares works right after installing! but creating own shares not.
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18:47.44dasKreechBajK_: That would be a job for #yourdistro
18:48.06EffBeeWhat does samba-server have to do with KDE?
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18:50.33nuovodnahi, why KDE mounts ntfs external drive with exec permission on all the files ?
18:50.48ichbinderdasKreech: hm, changed the whole look of alt+tab.... interesting.
18:51.04ichbindernuovodna: cause it's the default behaviour
18:51.07dasKreechichbinder: :)
18:51.21ichbindernuovodna: you can change that. Either by editing fstab, I think
18:51.26BajK_dasKreech: so, the share files dialog (and file settings) comes from my distribution? wow. Never noted that. It looks so similar on EVERY distro i ever installed.
18:51.37ichbindernuovodna: or by simply doing a chmod on the folder where your ntfs will be mounted.
18:52.20nuovodnaichbinder: in gnome i dont have the exec permission  on the single files...i dont want to change fstab: it's an external drive not always attached
18:52.45nuovodnaichbinder: chmod -x on the files doesnt have any effects :(
18:52.59ichbindernuovodna: interesting that this is different for gnome...
18:53.00dasKreechBajK_: since you are complaining about a dialog that doesn't exist I suppose it does look the same all the time.
18:53.27nuovodnayes...it s quite weird
18:53.55ichbindernuovodna: what normally works for me is: mkdir /mnt/external or /media/external; chmod 740 /*/external; and then mount
18:54.38nuovodnait s strange that sudo chmod -x file doesnt work...
18:55.39ichbindernuovodna: yes, also...
18:55.54nuovodna-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root      16384 2010-11-09 19:47  file
18:56.02ichbindernuovodna: have to go to lunch with work buddies... maybe somebody else can help you a little bit more... sorry... :-/
18:56.11nuovodnaok...thanks ichbinder :)
18:56.17nuovodnahave a good lunch
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19:06.16shal3rIn Jovie (KDE Text To Speech) settings i have empty list with languages/synthesizers in "Add Talker" dialog. How to get them? I'm using Gentoo
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19:08.04annmainstall festival
19:08.17annmaisn't it written in Jovie handbook?
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19:09.43shal3rannma, thanks
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19:13.34BajK_dasKreech: ah okay, it is just me and that tab (okay it is no longer a dialog) "Share" in folder settings is just in my imagination
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19:21.34[mors]hi
19:21.35[mors]using 4.5
19:21.41[mors]how do I disable all desktop sounds in kde ?
19:22.32annmadid you look in system settings?
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19:22.48[mors]yes
19:23.04sresuWhich command Analog clock widget uses to speak time?
19:23.06[mors]only think I can see are notifications, but I'm not giont to kill myself for 10 minutes to disable every individual sound notification
19:23.11sresudate +%R?
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19:24.03[mors]oh.. no audio output option found
19:24.11[mors]lets see if it doesn't break anything else
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19:25.59[mors]seems not....
19:26.00[mors]**phew
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19:45.16shal3rI checked all requirements for Jovie (so festival is installed and running) there is still nothing in "add talker" dialog for Jovie configuration. Any ideas?
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19:48.59shal3rin TTS settings i see entry in Jobs tab named "The name org.kde.KSpeech was not provided by any .service files"
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19:51.27annmadid you try to Add a talker?
19:52.01shal3rannma, i have no talkers in "add a talker" dialog
19:52.22annmaso they are not installed properly
19:52.40shal3rfestival is installed and it's working. same with espeak
19:52.50shal3r`echo "Hello" | festival --tts` says hello
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19:55.01shal3rannma, do you have any ideas how to debug it?
19:55.46annmadid yo uask your disto channel if it works for other people?
19:56.36shal3rok, i will try
19:56.44shal3rit's gentoo by the way
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20:26.17Isis___hello, im running slackware current , upgraded yesterday, and im experiencing trouble starting the desktop effects, they go suspended as soon as I try to enable them, and strange enough GL is working with the screensavers and everything, i supose there is some problem with kwin, any ideas please?
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20:33.49annmadid you ask your distribution channel if other people experiment this?
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20:37.02Simkinwhich config file handles the task bar?
20:37.04Simkinplasma-desktop
20:37.13Simkincause mine has somehow got royally messed up
20:39.19Isis___some help with composition effects please, has anybody experienced problems with those?
20:39.58annmadid you ask your distribution channel if other people experiment this? Isis___
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20:40.53Isis___annma , yeah i already did, they helped my with upgrading issues but no help with this matter
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20:41.17annmawhat version was it and what versionis it now?
20:41.31Isis___im running kde 4.5.1
20:41.51Isis___it was 4.3 i guess
20:43.34annmadi dyou try a new user?
20:43.42annmain case it's a config problem
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20:44.04Isis___no, i didnt
20:44.16Isis___i guess i should , sounds logical
20:44.57Isis___kwin crashes when i try to enable desktop effects
20:45.28SimkinIsis___: what video card do you have?
20:45.34SimkinIsis___: have you tried resetting everything to default?
20:45.39mgraesslinmore important: what driver?
20:45.44Isis___nvidia latest driver 260
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20:46.36Isis___no, i didnt try default either
20:47.03SimkinIsis___: i recommend you create a new user account (clean kde settings) and try
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20:47.19Isis___i guess if i try from a different user as suggested it will take default settings, am i right?
20:47.26Isis___okay
20:47.26Simkincorrect
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20:48.13Isis___and if another user works, how do i set my current user to defaults, is there a config file i could rm?
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20:48.40Simkinyou can remove all of .kde in ~ to remove all kde settings
20:48.44Simkini usually rename it
20:48.49Isis___~.kde
20:48.51Simkinand then move stuf back in after
20:48.56Simkin~/.kde
20:48.56apt/.kde is, like, the directory where...nm
20:49.01Simkin~ = home folder
20:49.07Isis___yeahh good to keep that in mind
20:49.12Isis___yes
20:49.33Simkinare you new to linux
20:49.35Simkinor just kde?
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20:50.42Isis___im not new to linux, but im not very experienced doing  upgrades, i used to download the whole cd and starting over, slackware has advanced a lot on upgrading the system
20:51.11SimkinIsis___: ah, i've noticed a few kde machines got messed by recent ubuntu upgrades.
20:51.23Simkini guess some config options aren't working for the new version :(
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20:52.07Isis___yeah i guess so, last week i upgraded my ubuntu machine at work and lucky me i didnt have these troubles
20:52.18Isis___while working!!
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20:53.36Isis___ive noticed that kde is not shipping a kwin pkg on its own
20:53.54Isis___they have changed the pkg structure
20:53.57pinotreewe don't ship binary packages
20:54.23pinotreewe just provide source packages, and kwin has always been part of kdebase (kde3) or kdebase-workspace (kde4)
20:54.33Isis___well , i mean neither slack or ubuntu has a pkg for kwin
20:54.44mgraesslinno it's kdebase-workspace
20:55.23Isis___well , ill see what i can do from another user and if i cant get i will come back
20:55.27Isis___thank u all
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22:46.16pdx*"this" isnt supposed to be there :)
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22:46.53pdxis there anyone with the same problem?
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22:56.13ambro718I just upgraded to Qt 4.7 and I get this on my destkop http://193.77.101.149:54800/~ambro/snapshot174.png
22:59.38thiago_homeambro718: and what's wrong?
23:00.29ambro718thiago_home: there's a frame with nothing inside?
23:00.33mokolokoambro718 restart plasma-desktop process. I used to get that "frame" too occasionally but not anymore with latest KDE 4.5.3 and Qt 4.7
23:01.25mokoloko4.7 + some bugfixes so I guess you're safe with 4.7.1 :)
23:01.58EffBeeambro718: That's supposed to be the shadow for the panel
23:02.19EffBeeA workaround is to unlock widgets, open the panel settings, move the panel to the opposite screen edge and back
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23:02.38ambro718EffBee: it can't be; the windows don't stick to it! :)
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23:03.12ambro718oops, they do, you're right...
23:03.37EffBeeI really like the addition of the panel shadow
23:03.41EffBeeNeeds bugfixing though
23:04.59EffBeeAnother bug is that the panel shadow doesn't come back when you disable and reenable compositing
23:05.05EffBeeHmm
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23:07.41Luke_Hello fellow Linux users
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23:12.02xaphirHey Luke_
23:12.14Luke_Yeah hello
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23:12.26Luke_I am have a problem With ffmpeg
23:12.45xaphirLuke_: try #mplayer
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23:15.19Luke_Thx
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23:18.42boombatowerso has this feature been requested/implemented already...being able to click on knotify messages and open the related application if applicable?
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23:21.07HerliMenezesGood afternoon! Please, where can I get help on Kile editor?
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23:24.32aarIs it possible to add a group to kaddressbook (using kontact 4.4.2)? The option appears grayed out
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