| 00:00.02 | Arithmos | scnd101: ok ;) no problem |
| 00:00.13 | Arithmos | Where are the dev ? ^^ |
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| 00:06.51 | orzel | i'm trying to fix kmail/akonadi with kde 4.6. I think there's an interesting error message in notification.. but i can't have the full message. I can't have more than : http://wstaw.org/m/2011/01/27/plasma-desktopiL2874.jpg |
| 00:07.10 | orzel | is there any way to get this message ? i've tried click/doubleclick/rmb/lmb... ? |
| 00:07.17 | orzel | the interesting part is after the "..." |
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| 00:07.44 | Arithmos | A pity, because each new version kde is a bit closer to the user kikoulol and loses its profesionnel way |
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| 00:11.29 | mase_wk | morn all, just wanted to say that 4.6 rocks |
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| 00:11.54 | orzel | i dont agree |
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| 00:38.04 | cordell | when debian 6 releases, will there be a repo where you could get the current latest KDE? |
| 00:40.06 | rindolf | cordell: there should be. |
| 00:40.23 | rindolf | cordell: there's debian-backports, etc. |
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| 00:48.52 | cordell | just wondering, rindolf, cause i read somewhere that launchpad.net was only for *buntu and derivatives |
| 00:49.28 | rindolf | cordell: there are package repositories for Debian too. |
| 00:49.35 | rindolf | cordell: not necessarily on launchpad |
| 00:49.50 | rindolf | cordell: you only need an HTTP or FTP service to set up a Debian package repository. |
| 00:51.53 | cordell | rindolf: possibly my dropbox |
| 00:52.14 | rindolf | cordell: what? |
| 00:53.35 | cordell | rindolf: compile KDE from sources, and setup a repository using dropbox, and upload the files to there |
| 00:54.15 | rindolf | cordell: please don't use dropbox for that. |
| 00:54.25 | rindolf | cordell: I hate dropbox and its ilk with a passion. |
| 00:54.52 | rindolf | cordell: you can set up an HTTP service account. |
| 00:55.02 | rindolf | And it does not cost much. |
| 00:55.54 | rindolf | I'm paying about 150 USD per year for mine, and there are better offers. |
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| 02:14.57 | kerrick | Kwalletmanager does nothing. I run the program but it just returns with a 0 exit status. Why? |
| 02:15.34 | kerrick | Or rather, has anyone had this issue/ |
| 02:18.55 | Droste | kerrick: is the kwalletd running? |
| 02:20.41 | kerrick | Both "kdeinit4: kwalletd [kdeinit]" and "/usr/bin/kwalletmanager --kwalletd" are running processes on my system. |
| 02:20.45 | kerrick | Droste, ^ |
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| 02:22.30 | Droste | kerrick: ok, then I don't know what's happening. sorry |
| 02:23.24 | kerrick | OK, thanks anyway |
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| 02:25.37 | kerrick | Is there any way to configure a KDE wallet to automatically unlock when you log in? |
| 02:26.37 | kerrick | (without the use of kwalletmanager) |
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| 04:26.20 | natex | Hi everyone. Is there an "edit text" tool in Krita 2.3? I can place a block of holder text via the text shape tool, but cannot edit it. |
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| 04:28.19 | zaurav | Um. I broke something and kdm isnt starting at boot. Any suggestions where to go looking to identify the problem? |
| 04:29.22 | natex | zaurav: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors |
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| 04:31.31 | zaurav | natex: thanks. I see the problem :) |
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| 05:10.59 | johnny69 | Just updated to 4.6 (but was seeing this problem when it was still beta) I cannot move/drag the icons on the desktop. (I'm running as folder-view) Any ideas? (kde 4.6/suse 11.2) Thank you. |
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| 05:16.30 | caf4926 | johnny69: have you unlocked the widgets |
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| 05:26.48 | johnny69 | caf4926: Sorry, was away. I have the icons UNchecked where it says, "Lock in place". |
| 05:27.22 | johnny69 | caf4926: Just checked that as well. widgets are ALSO unlocked |
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| 05:28.38 | caf4926 | johnny69: if you right click on the desktop, in the action box that appears, do you see at the bottom 'Folder View Settings'? |
| 05:28.48 | johnny69 | Yes I do |
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| 05:30.03 | caf4926 | johnny69: when you hover on the icons on the desktop, do they show + symbols |
| 05:30.36 | johnny69 | Yes they do |
| 05:31.21 | caf4926 | johnny69: but you can't drag them? |
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| 05:31.49 | johnny69 | no |
| 05:31.51 | johnny69 | Not at all |
| 05:32.14 | caf4926 | johnny69: you logged out or rebooted since updating |
| 05:32.57 | johnny69 | right click I see "icons" under that menu I see, "lock in place" (it is OFF/Unchecked) under folder view settings I ALSO see another where it says, "lock in place" and it is UNCHECKED/OFF there as well. |
| 05:33.09 | johnny69 | I just rebooted completely when I did the update to 4.6 about an hour ago |
| 05:33.22 | johnny69 | I've had this problem since 4.5.xx version :( |
| 05:34.28 | caf4926 | johnny69: if you open 'activities' and create a new folder view, does it behave the same? |
| 05:34.38 | johnny69 | I can try that |
| 05:35.43 | johnny69 | No change :( |
| 05:36.01 | johnny69 | Is there a config for the settings we are talking about? I'd like to look and see if it's mangled in some way ?? |
| 05:36.52 | caf4926 | johnny69: next thing I would try, is create a new user in Yast > Users/Security, login with that and see if it's the same |
| 05:37.13 | johnny69 | caf4926: Ok thank you. I will go there next. |
| 05:37.26 | caf4926 | johnny69: we could do a plasma reset too |
| 05:38.07 | caf4926 | johnny69: but the new user will tell us if it's a gremlin in your current user config |
| 05:38.54 | caf4926 | johnny69: just create a user called 'test' or similar,login and see |
| 05:38.55 | Linex | I do not think 4.6 is a big leap. I think 4.5 was a big leap. |
| 05:40.47 | johnny69 | I will try that next. |
| 05:40.50 | johnny69 | thank you |
| 05:40.56 | caf4926 | Linex: maybe, kind of subjective |
| 05:41.03 | caf4926 | johnny69: YW |
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| 05:42.45 | Linex | we are days away from 4.6, I'm looking forward in any case |
| 05:43.07 | caf4926 | Linex: We have 4.6 already |
| 05:43.20 | Linex | caf4926: its released ? |
| 05:43.28 | caf4926 | Linex: Yes |
| 05:43.49 | Linex | caf4926: oh man! Where have I been ? Thanks |
| 05:44.00 | caf4926 | Linex: what OS? |
| 05:44.06 | Linex | gentoo |
| 05:44.42 | caf4926 | Linex: not sure how you are supported with that |
| 05:45.05 | Linex | caf4926: gentoo has a kde team. They are quite fast. I |
| 05:45.33 | Linex | caf4926: gentoo has a kde team. They are quite fast. I'm guessing like in a week or so, I will get my 4.6. |
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| 05:46.24 | caf4926 | Linex: I'm openSUSE, we upped to 4.6 yesterday |
| 05:46.48 | johnny69 | Without sounding "too whiney". I think we really lost something when Newsticker went to the way-side and was lost/forgotten :) |
| 05:46.58 | johnny69 | errrr, Knewsticker |
| 05:47.25 | caf4926 | johnny69: never used it |
| 05:49.27 | johnny69 | rss feeds. We have to widget thingies now but they pale in comparison. For instance, neither one will allow the feeds/articles to scroll up the screen vertically.\ |
| 05:50.27 | johnny69 | I even went so far as to write the original maintainer/author and beg and plead with him to port/update Knewsticker to kde4.x Even offered to send him my Ex-Wife in trade for the effort. :) |
| 05:50.58 | Linex | caf4926: openSUSE is KDE-oriented distro. So I'm not surprised. |
| 05:51.12 | johnny69 | interestingly enough, he never got back to me. Perhaps it was my choice of bargaining method that lost me the deal :) |
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| 05:53.52 | caf4926 | LOL |
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| 05:55.08 | johnny69 | Really though, I miss my rss feeds scrolling in a little box at the top right corner of my screen :) |
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| 06:03.50 | Daskreech | I think that someone took up knewsticker |
| 06:04.12 | Daskreech | Not sure why it's needed that much but I do remember liking it a lot in KDE3 |
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| 07:09.28 | cads | does kde 4.4.4 have any kind of feature that would allow a user to restore the distro's default desktop layout? |
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| 07:33.20 | Neo | err |
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| 08:25.50 | gnumdk | Kde 4.6 toolbar is broken, am i alone with this bug ? |
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| 08:26.08 | gnumdk | is display icon only button when set to text along side icons |
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| 08:26.56 | einar77 | gnumdk: let's see if I have the same problem |
| 08:27.25 | einar77 | can't reproduce here |
| 08:28.37 | gnumdk | :( |
| 08:29.27 | gnumdk | http://adishatz.1s.fr/~gnumdk/dolphin.png |
| 08:29.31 | gnumdk | Here what i have |
| 08:30.37 | gnumdk | Same with empty profile :-/ |
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| 08:36.49 | einar77 | gnumdk: the all-left icons, you mean? |
| 08:36.56 | gnumdk | yes |
| 08:37.28 | gnumdk | It works for every option (textonly, icononly, text under icons) but not for text along side icons |
| 08:37.38 | einar77 | gnumdk: sec, checking with dolphin |
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| 08:38.09 | einar77 | I think it's dolphin specific |
| 08:38.17 | einar77 | you should report it to bko |
| 08:38.18 | gnumdk | yes, it works for others apps |
| 08:38.22 | gnumdk | yep, going |
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| 08:39.23 | gnumdk | Text along side icon is TextBesideIcon in Kde ? |
| 08:40.00 | einar77 | I think so |
| 08:40.05 | gnumdk | ok, thanks ;) |
| 08:40.08 | einar77 | (I run locale, so not sure) |
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| 08:49.41 | gnumdk | Where is kdebase in git repo ? |
| 08:49.45 | gnumdk | i can't find it :-/ |
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| 08:51.35 | thiago | gone, it's split up |
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| 08:52.10 | svuorela | thiago: it isn't moving until saterday I_think |
| 08:52.14 | thiago | oh, right |
| 08:52.18 | thiago | it's not there yet then |
| 08:52.24 | student | hiiuii |
| 08:52.31 | student_ | mai kaun hu |
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| 08:55.30 | Lewoco | How do I configure the power devil service? More specifically how do I tell it not to re-enable dpms after I explicitly disabled it in my .xsessionrc? |
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| 09:02.26 | aliverius | possible bug here... i changed border and button size with air-oxygene theme and now i am stuck with an ugly black border |
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| 09:12.48 | aliverius | yep |
| 09:12.58 | aliverius | there is a serious problems with themes |
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| 09:15.20 | aliverius | a problem in kwin themes i mean |
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| 10:02.15 | hiley | hi, I'm interested in translating documentation into Swedish, where can I do that>? |
| 10:04.14 | pinotree | hiley: you should contact the guy which currently does the svedish translations |
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| 10:16.43 | gnumdk | I've got another issue, kdepim 4.4.9 seems to not work with akonadi 1.5 |
| 10:16.57 | gnumdk | Is this right ? Do i need to contact my distro packagers ? |
| 10:17.21 | gnumdk | kaddressbook, korganizer and kmail don't show any evenst/contacts ... |
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| 10:18.59 | amgarching | Hi, this is KDE 4.5.3 on Ubuntu Lucid started by KDM. When I select shutdown, reboot or even log-out (end session) from a K-Menu, nothing happens. ~/.xsession-error does not show anything in these moments. Where do I start looking? |
| 10:21.39 | amgarching | some time ago I filed this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/459695 At that time I solved the problem by using KDM instead of GDM. |
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| 10:27.58 | gnumdk | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=262339 :-( |
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| 10:30.41 | vip | hi there |
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| 10:31.05 | vip | anyone familiar with 4.6 kwin effects freezes on nvidia? |
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| 10:34.12 | amgarching | is there a way to tell kde to log out from the command line? Something analogous to "init 0" but after closing the session cleanly? |
| 10:35.55 | vip | amgarching: try dbus |
| 10:35.57 | amgarching | I wouold run that through strace or something to look for EPERM, or similar. |
| 10:36.03 | vip | (or qdbus) |
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| 11:35.06 | Goliath | hey |
| 11:35.24 | Goliath | i installed the new kde, and i get a message saying i removed some audio devices |
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| 11:37.24 | Goliath | i installed the new kde and it says i removed some audio devices on boot |
| 11:37.28 | Goliath | any idea? |
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| 11:40.27 | Goliath | FUCK YOU |
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| 11:40.34 | Richlv | in kde 4.6, "KSnapshot can now lasso regions to snapshot, has an option to include the mouse pointer and also a âSend toâ button to instantly share screenshots." - can it send to simple sites like imagebin or imageshack ? |
| 11:41.42 | emilsedgh_ | Richlv: i dont know that, since i dont have 4.6 yet, but in 4.5 you can easily add a pastebin applet to your panel |
| 11:41.52 | emilsedgh_ | then drag&drop ksnapshot's preview into the pastebin applet |
| 11:41.58 | emilsedgh_ | very nice workflow |
| 11:45.06 | Richlv | emilsedgh_, yeah, but it takes up place even when i don't need it :) |
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| 11:45.43 | emilsedgh_ | you can put it on desktop then |
| 11:46.13 | emilsedgh_ | (and enable one of your screen edge's to show/hide desktop) |
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| 11:48.53 | shepherd | is there a charting / data plotting program for klde? I tried installing kchart, but it said it was already installed ( and the bin is no where to be found ) |
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| 11:50.23 | rethus | if someone here also means, s.m.a.r.t notifyer is a "must have" for KDE to warn before your HDD crash, please vote for this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=254313 |
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| 11:50.44 | rethus | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.45 | shepherd | is there a charting / data plotting program for klde? I tried installing kchart, but it said it was already installed ( and the bin is no where to be found ) |
| 11:50.52 | shepherd | err.. oops |
| 11:51.05 | rethus | i think... SMART notifyer is an absolutly "MustHave" for each WM |
| 11:51.41 | annma | rethus: how can teh system know your hdd will crash soon? |
| 11:51.48 | annma | how can the desktop know? |
| 11:51.55 | rethus | annma: using smart-tools |
| 11:51.59 | annma | sounds psychic |
| 11:52.05 | annma | smart-tools? |
| 11:52.50 | annma | in my 15 years of computing I only had 1 external disk out of usage |
| 11:52.56 | rethus | smart is checking some informations about the hdd. maybe see this, if u interested in this toppic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T. |
| 11:53.09 | rethus | annma: so you could realy be glad. |
| 11:53.16 | annma | I suppose so |
| 11:53.31 | rethus | the last time, i got a crash every 2 till 3 years. |
| 11:53.40 | annma | what do you call a "crash" |
| 11:54.17 | rethus | now a hdd was also nearly dead... only cause GNOME warn me whit his smart-tool, i act soon enough |
| 11:54.18 | annma | with Windows for example you get file system problems leading to being unable to recover data |
| 11:54.31 | annma | how is a hdd nearly dead |
| 11:54.40 | annma | physically? |
| 11:54.47 | annma | or file system? |
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| 11:54.54 | rethus | annma: you may not know it... cause you didn't had hdd-crash... there are manny possible cause of it. |
| 11:55.03 | rethus | my last error was an "end-to-end" error... |
| 11:55.10 | annma | I am asking: pysically dead? |
| 11:55.29 | rethus | what ever. thats not the point. |
| 11:55.33 | annma | no? |
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| 11:55.56 | annma | the point is that gnome is scared to have you see it and tries to back you out of it |
| 11:56.10 | rethus | smart notify you early enough to see many causes of error. if u interested have a look in possible smart-error-messages and u see what could happend |
| 11:56.11 | annma | it then says "woow your hdd's going to crash" |
| 11:56.25 | annma | KDE does nto lead to hdd errors |
| 11:56.36 | rethus | annma: such scared, that the manufacturer of the hdd also send me a new hdd... |
| 11:56.38 | rethus | lol |
| 11:56.47 | rethus | i think you not know, what you talking about |
| 11:56.52 | annma | surely not |
| 11:56.53 | rethus | cause you had no hdd crash before |
| 11:56.54 | shepherd | isnt that a more distro related thing to include such software and start it by default? |
| 11:56.57 | annma | I am playing you |
| 11:57.16 | annma | however I know KDE |
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| 11:57.36 | rethus | shepherd: not if there isn't a programm which notiffy this in kde as popup, if the error occure |
| 11:57.37 | annma | and as a user I would be notified of any crash before I ran any desktop app |
| 11:57.55 | rethus | annma: you got me :D |
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| 12:00.22 | shepherd | Funny bunny. |
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| 12:00.39 | annma | I was mean |
| 12:00.44 | annma | slaps herself |
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| 12:18.03 | amgarching | this prints a new line and thats it: /usr/bin/qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 2 0 |
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| 12:20.14 | amgarching | http://pastebin.com/xTrhYQJ5 this is the output of "strace /usr/bin/qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 2 0" I see nothing obvious |
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| 12:22.15 | annma | what's up amgarching |
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| 12:43.40 | Kano | hi, how is it possible the the medium detection in kde4 works for some cds but not for all |
| 12:44.52 | cb400f | what does "works" mean, not detected or detected wrong? .. what kind of cds.. data, audio.. what? |
| 12:45.15 | cb400f | .. and what kde version... might matter if you're using HAL based or udisk based |
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| 12:45.33 | Kano | data cd-r |
| 12:45.37 | Kano | kde 4.4.5 |
| 12:45.39 | Kano | squeeze |
| 12:46.14 | cb400f | hm.. that would be hal based then |
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| 12:53.49 | Kano | it seems that the volname is not detected by hal, but the media size is |
| 12:54.11 | Kano | the tool volname detects the name however |
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| 12:55.08 | starlays | hi i need some help, i have the driver and the configuration ok but KDE fails to start here is the error log: Your paste can be seen here: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/327747/ |
| 12:55.21 | starlays | can someone help me please? |
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| 12:58.20 | starlays | any help? |
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| 13:03.43 | amgarching | annma: logout/shoutdown/reboot doesnt work from KDE/KDM |
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| 13:09.15 | alexmaco | hello everyone; i've got a small question: where exactly (filesystem location and kubuntu packet if possible) is the default air theme for plasma stored? |
| 13:09.31 | alexmaco | not air-netbook, but the plain default air |
| 13:09.38 | cb400f | ask in #kubuntu |
| 13:09.43 | alexmaco | ok |
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| 13:19.36 | Goliath | hey |
| 13:19.43 | jorn | heyho, is there a way to get ksnapshot autosave the snapshots i take into some directory, giving me the possibility to save them later on? |
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| 13:20.22 | Goliath | i installed the new kde. in kmix i pressed a little x button and when i bring it up now, the screen is gray (no volume bars appear) How can i fix it? |
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| 13:21.34 | cb400f | check in the kmix settings what channels are enabled |
| 13:21.59 | cb400f | and as always with audio related issues, always suspect PulseAudio somehow has something to do with it |
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| 13:22.26 | Goliath | cb400f: i press configure channels, nothing appears |
| 13:22.58 | cb400f | sounds like a broken installation I guess... is alsamixer functional? |
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| 13:23.17 | Goliath | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.22 | Goliath | everything is ok |
| 13:23.25 | Jucato | Goliath: how about the "New tab" button? |
| 13:23.28 | Goliath | yes |
| 13:23.52 | Jucato | did you click on it? |
| 13:23.53 | Goliath | there is no new tab button, |
| 13:23.53 | Goliath | there was before but i pressed the x near it |
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| 13:24.33 | Goliath | hey |
| 13:24.39 | Goliath | so i pressed the x near the new tab button |
| 13:24.43 | Goliath | and the screen in kmix is gray |
| 13:25.23 | Goliath | is there any way to restore defaults? |
| 13:26.22 | tjuxx | Hi, i have a problem with KMail. I can't send mails to a specific email-address. I get the error: |
| 13:26.23 | tjuxx | Sending failed: |
| 13:26.23 | tjuxx | Schreiben auf den Socket ist fehlgeschlagen. |
| 13:26.23 | tjuxx | The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the 'outbox' folder. |
| 13:26.23 | tjuxx | The following transport was used: thorechristiansen.de |
| 13:26.23 | tjuxx | The address is valid, i'm able to send mails to it via webmail |
| 13:26.24 | tjuxx | The mail is send without problems. if i just change the to-adress. |
| 13:26.24 | tjuxx | Any Ideas?? |
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| 13:27.13 | Goliath | so i pressed the x near the new tab button in kmix, and the screen in kmix is gray. how can i fix it? |
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| 13:29.34 | botmind | Hi. I was using Lenny with KDE 3.5.10 and I've purchased the "CD-Audio Cable" so that I would be capable of using KsCD.. but after installing Squeeze with KDE 4 I've realised it doesn't use this cable anymore!! And takes much of performance of my P4 Celeron 2.23 Ghz! Is there a way to switch back to CD-Audio cable mode which I belive would reduce the performance eating? |
| 13:30.10 | pinotree | Goliath: close kmix, try removing the ~/.kde/share/config/kmixrc file (or .kde4, epending on your distro) |
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| 13:30.54 | Goliath | pinotree: should i reinstall package after that? |
| 13:31.00 | pinotree | no |
| 13:31.10 | Goliath | k |
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| 13:42.05 | starlays | i need some help KDE is not starting |
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| 13:42.46 | starlays | i log on in the kde manager hi is trying to start an the pops in the login screen again |
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| 13:44.05 | cb400f | normally that means kwin/compositing doesn't get along with your gfx driver |
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| 13:44.57 | cb400f | so either disable compositing in kwinrc .. or figure out what else might crash X with |
| 13:45.12 | starlays | here is the log: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/327767/ |
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| 13:46.17 | starlays | cb400f: any ideea? |
| 13:47.14 | cb400f | that only confirms it's kwin related |
| 13:47.20 | cb400f | so read again what I just said |
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| 14:18.47 | Goliath | hey |
| 14:18.48 | Goliath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:20.30 | annma | Goliath: since the upgrade? or always? |
| 14:20.36 | Goliath | since the upgrade |
| 14:20.50 | annma | asked your distro? |
| 14:20.57 | Goliath | i am now |
| 14:21.11 | Goliath | annma: btw i got an msg on login that an audio device has been removed |
| 14:21.17 | Goliath | asked me to keep it or not |
| 14:21.23 | Goliath | i chose to keep it |
| 14:21.27 | Goliath | now i want to remove that |
| 14:21.29 | Goliath | how can i do it? |
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| 14:21.56 | annma | did you look in systemsettings -> Multimedia? |
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| 14:23.55 | egns | what's that 'kresource migration tool'? it opens up every time i start kopete, and kopete won't work until it closes down (~20 seconds). |
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| 14:26.42 | Goliath | annma: the option not to be bothered again, is saved in the .kde4 folder? |
| 14:26.44 | Goliath | right |
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| 14:30.19 | Goliath | the option not to be bothered is saved in .kde4 in home dir. Where exactly is it? So i can delete the config, and see the warning msg on login again |
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| 14:33.47 | Goliath | anyone hre? |
| 14:33.50 | Goliath | here? |
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| 14:36.27 | amgarching | Goliath: runnung KDE from GDM? |
| 14:36.39 | amgarching | *gnome display manager |
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| 14:37.00 | Goliath | no |
| 14:37.08 | Goliath | amgarching: |
| 14:37.13 | amgarching | does this work with you: /usr/bin/qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 2 0 |
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| 14:38.00 | HackeMate | hi |
| 14:38.06 | amgarching | does Alt-F2 -> "logout" work? |
| 14:38.08 | Goliath | amgarching: on login i got an error msg saying audio device has been removed. i chose not to see that message again |
| 14:38.16 | HackeMate | i lost the desktop switcher, how can i recover it= |
| 14:38.19 | Goliath | how do i get that message back? |
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| 14:38.35 | Goliath | do i have to remove something in .kde4 folder? |
| 14:38.51 | mar77i | same here... alt-f2 logout does not work. I see a small window with 30 seconds timeout, but pressing it does not help |
| 14:38.59 | amgarching | System settings, search for audio, Goliath |
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| 14:39.19 | nanjinger | hi |
| 14:39.32 | nanjinger | good night buddies |
| 14:39.35 | amgarching | mar77i: does this work: qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer logout 0 2 0 ? |
| 14:39.46 | mar77i | 1 second, I'm trying already |
| 14:40.08 | Goliath | amgarching: cant find it |
| 14:40.21 | mar77i | cannot find '.loguot' in KSMServer |
| 14:40.49 | nanjinger | desktop linux use xorg what about android? |
| 14:40.51 | amgarching | System Settings -> Multimedia -> Phonon |
| 14:41.00 | nanjinger | MeeGo? |
| 14:41.14 | Jucato | nanjinger: this is not really the place to ask those questions |
| 14:41.15 | nanjinger | how did they manage the display? |
| 14:41.30 | nanjinger | Jucato: ok |
| 14:42.13 | Goliath | amgarching: not this |
| 14:42.32 | Jucato | HackeMate: right-click on the panel or click on the cashew on the panel, Add Widgets, the name is "Desktop Pager" |
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| 14:42.42 | Goliath | amgarching: i chose on login at the warning message, not to appear again. i need to undo this. So i need to delete a config file in .kde4 |
| 14:42.59 | Goliath | amgarching: where is the option not to see the message saved at? |
| 14:43.30 | amgarching | Goliath: "find ~/.kde4 -mtime -1" to find files that were modified since yesterday |
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| 14:43.51 | HackeMate | Jucato: woa! i swear i tried every widgets except this, i could never adivinate it |
| 14:43.53 | HackeMate | thanks :) |
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| 14:46.08 | Goliath | amgarching: which of those might it be? http://pastebin.com/TqEmMtA0 (The error said an audio device was removed) |
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| 14:47.05 | mar77i | Goliath: I also had the error with the audio device. |
| 14:47.16 | mar77i | and I set up kde 4.6 today :) |
| 14:47.37 | Goliath | mar77i: yes but i chose not to see the message again |
| 14:47.41 | Goliath | so i want to get it back |
| 14:47.51 | Goliath | and choose to remove those devices |
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| 14:51.22 | amgarching | Goliath: grep -i device $(find ~/.kde4/share/config -mtime -1) |
| 14:51.30 | amgarching | maybe |
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| 14:55.21 | mar77i | for me the list is empty. what about the ksmserver not found problem? |
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| 15:09.47 | mar77i | weird... this works WTF srsly https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=111597 |
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| 15:16.09 | Goliath | hey |
| 15:16.15 | Goliath | i removed the .kde4 folder |
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| 15:16.26 | Goliath | does this cause any problems? |
| 15:16.27 | egns | you probably didn't read the topic |
| 15:16.50 | rindolf | Goliath: well, all your settings and some of your data are now lost. |
| 15:16.51 | cb400f | Goliath: depends if losing all your data and settings is a problem for you |
| 15:17.15 | egns | suicide |
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| 15:17.30 | cb400f | and if you did it while kde was running, you might have lost everything _except_ the stuff you actually wanted to lose |
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| 15:21.50 | mar77i | well, I do this sometimes, but with mv .blah .blah_ |
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| 15:23.17 | mar77i | I'm reluctant about too progressively deleting stuff... on the other hand I'm no fan of trashcan functionality by my desktop either :) |
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| 15:37.10 | mar77i | umm, other thing is, I have weird transparent parts of window's titles... |
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| 15:42.08 | mar77i | oh, failsafe? |
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| 15:56.05 | mar77i | yeah. had to set OpenGLIsUnsafe to true, it's a vm.... now it works. |
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| 16:03.00 | BartK | I just updated to kde 4.6 and now my kate file browser sidebar is gone |
| 16:03.05 | BartK | how do I get it back? |
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| 16:03.59 | james147 | BartK: View > tools view > show sidebar (and make sure your running kate and not kwrite) |
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| 16:04.48 | BartK | thanks :) |
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| 16:11.25 | ribatejoluso | hi, anyone minds of helping stupid with labplot or any other plotting package? |
| 16:13.00 | rindolf | ribatejoluso: let me see. |
| 16:13.17 | rindolf | ribatejoluso: No package named labplot |
| 16:14.42 | ribatejoluso | well, i installed it :) aptosid...but I can use something else, I just don't know which one |
| 16:14.51 | rindolf | ribatejoluso: which version are you using? |
| 16:14.52 | ribatejoluso | kalgebra for 3d plotiing |
| 16:15.16 | rindolf | ribatejoluso: what? |
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| 16:15.28 | rindolf | ribatejoluso: I mean - which version of labplot? |
| 16:15.32 | BartK | Nice work on 4.6, btw. It's super smooth. :) |
| 16:15.56 | ribatejoluso | 1.6.0 |
| 16:16.39 | ribatejoluso | rindolf, any other suggestions for 3d plotting? |
| 16:18.00 | rindolf | ribatejoluso: well, there's sagemath, etc. |
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| 16:23.24 | ribatejoluso | tx, trying mayavi2 |
| 16:23.31 | ribatejoluso | ltr |
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| 16:25.40 | delt | Hello |
| 16:26.10 | delt | what's the name of that disk-usage utility that represented directories with embedded rectangles....? |
| 16:26.30 | delt | of different sizes depending on their actual disk use |
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| 16:27.57 | Repgahroll | hello guys. is there a way to launch kdm without panels, desktop, shortcuts, etc. in order to get a basic window manager only? |
| 16:29.28 | delt | ....kwin? |
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| 16:29.36 | Repgahroll | hum? |
| 16:30.03 | delt | kwin is the window manager |
| 16:30.15 | delt | but im not sure if it's gonna start all kinds of other shit if you run it alone |
| 16:30.41 | delt | anyway, what's the name of that disk-usage utility that represented directories with embedded rectangles.... of different sizes depending on their actual disk use? |
| 16:31.09 | Repgahroll | kdirstat? |
| 16:32.22 | cibaer | delt: fsview |
| 16:32.41 | delt | cibaer: ah that's it, thanks! |
| 16:33.07 | sortadi | anybody around has any clue on HP DesignJet T610 Plotter on Linux? |
| 16:33.09 | cibaer | I often asked myself why fsview is not more advertised by kde, I think it is the best tool for this |
| 16:33.10 | delt | though kdirstat kind of looks like it, but without the names of files/dir |
| 16:33.21 | cibaer | but nearly noone knows about it |
| 16:33.31 | delt | cibaer: i had checked /usr/bin/k* one by one trying to find it |
| 16:33.41 | delt | anyway thanks! |
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| 16:34.16 | cibaer | I would make a open-with-link for folders with fsview by default in kde |
| 16:34.51 | Repgahroll | cibaer, well... kdirstat does pretty much the same thing (i think) on graphical environment :) |
| 16:35.43 | fixl | haha cool xD kate + sql :) |
| 16:37.59 | Repgahroll | hmmm... looks like fsview is not a cli app =/ |
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| 16:54.23 | Repgahroll | kwin doesn't launch alone... i get a black screen |
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| 17:06.20 | rindolf | Hi all, when upgrading from kdepim 4.4's KMail to kmail-4.5.94.1-1-mdv2011.0.i586 - it won't display any of my E-mail. |
| 17:06.35 | rindolf | But at least it does not go berserk on my system's resources. |
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| 17:22.58 | annma | rindolf: why do you use suchkmail? |
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| 17:24.42 | annma | rindolf: there's no kdepim-4.6 released |
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| 17:24.49 | Goliath | should i use qt4 or qtcurve as gtk theme in kde? |
| 17:25.00 | annma | so blame yourself if you do use unstable software |
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| 17:34.13 | Goliath | v |
| 17:34.15 | Goliath | hey is there a package for kde, that partially lights up the windows at taskmanager when you hover over them with your mouse? |
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| 17:38.27 | mar77i | seems it's not possible to deactivate animation of titlebar icons for all styles? |
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| 17:38.46 | mar77i | I get a lot of drawing errors for most themes other than plastik |
| 17:39.23 | Repgahroll | how do i prevent kde panel and desktop from launching? |
| 17:39.40 | annma | Repgahroll: by not logging into kde? |
| 17:39.47 | annma | mar77i: what errors? |
| 17:39.54 | Repgahroll | annma, but i want to run kde |
| 17:40.12 | Repgahroll | annma, i want to run kde without panel, desktop and shortcuts |
| 17:40.30 | Repgahroll | annma, like a basic window manager. as kwin alone doesn't run |
| 17:40.53 | mar77i | annma: "error" in drawing. It blinks and shows no borders at all much of the time |
| 17:40.53 | annma | KDE is a desktop environment: panel, desktop, apps |
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| 17:41.04 | annma | Repgahroll: why would you want kwin alone? |
| 17:41.14 | annma | if so you don't want kde anyway |
| 17:41.23 | mar77i | Repgahroll: you want openbox or something like that :) |
| 17:41.26 | annma | if you want a window manager yo udon't want a DE |
| 17:41.34 | cb400f | getting rid of the panel is easy.. right click -> remove |
| 17:41.51 | annma | so either you want a DE or you want a window manager designed to run alone |
| 17:42.04 | Repgahroll | mar77i, i want native oxygen theme. I've tried openbox-kde-session, but it launches the panel and everything |
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| 17:42.42 | annma | native oxygen theme in what? |
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| 17:43.36 | Repgahroll | annma, i just want a simple basic window manager that supports qt4 decoration and widgets. |
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| 17:44.32 | annma | #kwin if you are not interested in KDE |
| 17:45.02 | Repgahroll | annma, =/ thanks |
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| 17:46.54 | cb400f | Repgahroll: http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/Egg+Window+Manager?content=136862 :-) |
| 17:47.09 | cb400f | noticed that recently |
| 17:48.03 | Repgahroll | cb400f, well... that's pretty much exactly what i want! thank you very much! :D |
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| 18:12.03 | loadedwith_ | anyone else have a problem where task managers in the startup bar are overlapping? |
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| 18:17.05 | anish | can anyone help me pinpoint this error in kdm.log : kdemain: No DBUS session-bus found. Check if you have started the DBUS server. |
| 18:17.11 | anish | dbus is running on my system |
| 18:17.24 | anish | everything works fine too, just wondering why its hitting that |
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| 18:18.51 | anish | never saw it before the 4.6 update |
| 18:19.37 | sreich | so..why are you worrying about it? |
| 18:20.11 | sreich | it's probably because kdm now sets a fake dbus session address, as it doesn't need it |
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| 18:22.10 | anish | sreich: ocd about errors :) |
| 18:22.19 | anish | no way to tell it to not do that ? |
| 18:22.55 | sreich | no, of course not |
| 18:23.10 | loadedwithwyrms | wow, slideshow background causes a big slowdown on my comp |
| 18:23.15 | sreich | other than: disable kdm logs... |
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| 18:24.10 | loadedwithwyrms | i've got 4 gigs memory, 3.1ghz quadcore, ati radeon(open source driver) and its slow? jeebus |
| 18:24.24 | sreich | define slow |
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| 18:25.00 | loadedwithwyrms | wallpaper change causes a screen delay that causes keypress lag |
| 18:26.02 | sreich | probably the drivers having difficulty |
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| 18:26.43 | loadedwithwyrms | maybe. the fps rate also drops to 15 until the change finishes |
| 18:27.10 | loadedwithwyrms | i hear the fglrx driver sucks too |
| 18:27.16 | sreich | yeah |
| 18:27.25 | loadedwithwyrms | but is it better than the open source radeonhd? |
| 18:27.26 | sreich | ati's drivers are a bit lacking in areas |
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| 18:27.35 | sreich | not to imply that nvidia's aren't |
| 18:29.09 | loadedwithwyrms | for most purposes the open source radeonhd is satisfactory |
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| 18:30.09 | sreich | yeah |
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| 18:34.58 | loadedwithwyrms | anyone else have a problem where task managers in the startup bar are overlapping? |
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| 18:45.25 | mar77i | huh, when I let my virtualbox client hang around for a while, the window goes dark and refuses to come back :( |
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| 18:45.44 | mar77i | funny, as I can see what's going on through the thumbnail |
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| 18:47.45 | mar77i | took out that powerdevil thingy. maybe it's incompatible :) |
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| 19:18.59 | jasonlife | Is there a way to disable "Device Notifier" using a command line command? |
| 19:19.51 | sreich | no. why would that make any sense |
| 19:20.13 | anish | jasonlife: its a plamsoid, take it off |
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| 19:20.44 | anish | if you really wanted to , you edit plasmara & force a reload |
| 19:20.49 | anish | seems too convoluted though |
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| 19:21.51 | jasonlife | I want to disable the device notifier, and it's easy by right click the icon on panel.. I just want to disable for every user, so I want a write a script to disable it for every user.. |
| 19:22.58 | anish | jasonlife: just edit the default plasmara to not have it in the first place, you wouldn't need to edit for every new user |
| 19:23.00 | sreich | that's nonsense |
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| 19:23.59 | jasonlife | anish: thanks.. could you little bit more specific.. where is the default plasmara ? |
| 19:24.45 | anish | dunno, sorry |
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| 19:25.50 | jasonlife | I used to use kwriteconfig to update configuration from the command line.. but it seems Device Notifier is not configurable using kwriteconfig .. |
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| 19:30.22 | feindbild | hi ^^ |
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| 19:41.18 | comawhite | anyone having trouble with kmail. I get "Failed to fetch the resource collection." and it exits |
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| 19:46.17 | anish | comawhite: is akonadi running ? |
| 19:46.28 | comawhite | idk |
| 19:46.34 | anish | run akonaditray |
| 19:47.06 | comawhite | anish, same thing |
| 19:47.18 | comawhite | akonaditray is already running! |
| 19:47.23 | anish | no |
| 19:47.28 | anish | check configuration in there |
| 19:47.46 | anish | to see if akonadi is actually setup up properly, not just tray |
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| 19:50.55 | comawhite | anish, I set the database driver to mysql, use internal mysql server. /usr/sbin/mysqld and hit test it gives no warnings or errors. but still same problem happens |
| 19:51.17 | anish | comawhite: don't test |
| 19:51.18 | anish | start |
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| 19:51.35 | comawhite | yeah I restarted it also no luck |
| 19:52.03 | comawhite | it's also started already |
| 19:52.07 | anish | sorry, fresh out of ideas |
| 19:52.16 | anish | you may need to add a resource |
| 19:52.23 | anish | but that's generally taken care of by default |
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| 19:52.30 | anish | and i don't know that much about pim |
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| 19:55.12 | comawhite | anish, you know if there is a pim channel? |
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| 19:56.04 | anish | comawhite: kdepim ? |
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| 19:56.35 | annma | #kontact |
| 19:56.42 | annma | but it's for devels |
| 19:56.47 | comawhite | annma, blah |
| 19:57.03 | comawhite | maybe devels might know what's wrong |
| 19:57.13 | annma | and yo want to tell what kmail version you are running |
| 19:57.20 | comawhite | will do |
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| 20:03.58 | PasNox | Hello |
| 20:04.05 | PasNox | i'm a bit lost with kde4 activities |
| 20:04.23 | PasNox | ibefore i was using 4 virtual desktops |
| 20:04.28 | PasNox | now i would liek to try activities |
| 20:04.33 | PasNox | so i created 4 activities |
| 20:04.41 | PasNox | and make my desktop no longer use virtual desktop |
| 20:04.58 | PasNox | but how i change the current activity ? |
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| 20:05.10 | PasNox | it seem only using the button directly on the desktop board |
| 20:05.22 | PasNox | meaning i have to minimize all my current windows to access it ?? |
| 20:05.31 | PasNox | is there a quick way to switch activities ? |
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| 20:05.45 | anish | PasNox: there are shortcuts |
| 20:05.58 | icewind_ | PasNox: there is an activity bar plasmoid and an activity manager plasmoid |
| 20:05.59 | PasNox | hm ? did not find them :/ |
| 20:06.13 | PasNox | i'm even not enable to rename activities :/ looks very difficult concept ! |
| 20:06.21 | icewind_ | and you can press meta-q |
| 20:06.40 | PasNox | ok i will try to install activity plasmoid |
| 20:06.58 | icewind_ | the activity manager can do almost all activity related things iirc |
| 20:07.04 | anish | PasNox: used to be # Next activity: Alt-D, Cursor right |
| 20:07.08 | anish | # Previous activity: Alt-D, Cursor left |
| 20:07.11 | anish | dunno now |
| 20:08.15 | PasNox | meta+q is just working fine - thanks |
| 20:08.23 | PasNox | now i will try to check plasmoid of activities |
| 20:08.25 | icewind_ | anish: meta-tab and meta-shift-tab |
| 20:08.39 | PasNox | i don't find where to rename activities ? |
| 20:08.50 | PasNox | the activity manager in the system settingsdoes not allow that :/ |
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| 20:09.27 | icewind_ | do you have the activities unlocked? |
| 20:09.35 | PasNox | just checked all plasmoid - no activity plasmoid, only virtual desktop plasmoid :/ |
| 20:09.52 | PasNox | icewind_: what is activity unlockd ? u mean unlick plasmoid ? |
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| 20:10.43 | icewind_ | you can lock/unlock activities much like plasmoids, but they are seperated |
| 20:10.49 | icewind_ | also http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=136278 |
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| 20:11.58 | icewind_ | you can rename activities with the activity manager and with the activity-bar thingy (that opens with meta-q) |
| 20:12.24 | PasNox | yes i can add / remove activity, but i can't give them the name / title i want :/ |
| 20:12.28 | icewind_ | there is a configure button for each activity there |
| 20:12.37 | icewind_ | in the bottom left |
| 20:12.41 | PasNox | and why the hell the activities plasmoid is not part of standard installation ??? |
| 20:12.43 | icewind_ | of each activity icon |
| 20:12.53 | PasNox | i can only change the icon |
| 20:12.58 | icewind_ | it's a fairly new plasmoid |
| 20:13.13 | PasNox | ho i found for changing the name |
| 20:13.28 | PasNox | it's really not very user friendly the activity concept :) |
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| 20:15.29 | PasNox | ok now working fine :) and meta+q is just good :) |
| 20:15.33 | PasNox | thanks for your help ! |
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| 20:19.38 | PasNox | icewind_: hm only sources / fedora pack |
| 20:19.42 | PasNox | i have to build myself :( |
| 20:20.14 | icewind_ | yeah that could be a problem for a lot of users |
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| 20:24.07 | PasNox | icewind_: i build & instal it - but i don't see it :/ |
| 20:24.14 | PasNox | what it's name in the plasmoid chooser ? |
| 20:24.51 | icewind_ | activity manager |
| 20:25.07 | icewind_ | did you install it in the correct folder? |
| 20:25.23 | PasNox | hm i'm french user the only thing i see is "Barre d'agencement" |
| 20:25.31 | PasNox | dunno it it's that thing u speak about |
| 20:25.35 | PasNox | but it's just ugly |
| 20:25.50 | PasNox | it print icon + activity name very large in the panel :/ more than 40% |
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| 20:26.00 | icewind_ | that's probablty the activity bar |
| 20:26.05 | icewind_ | probably* |
| 20:26.22 | PasNox | so it's not what u speak about, right ? |
| 20:26.29 | icewind_ | no |
| 20:26.55 | icewind_ | chances are it's installed in the wrong place |
| 20:27.11 | PasNox | let me check |
| 20:27.23 | icewind_ | during the cmake step you can define the install folder |
| 20:27.51 | icewind_ | cmake . -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` |
| 20:27.55 | icewind_ | does the job in most cases |
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| 20:28.17 | PasNox | icewind_: here is what it done: http://paste.ubuntu.com/559199 |
| 20:28.30 | PasNox | ok, let retry |
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| 20:31.36 | PasNox | icewind_: yeah ! working fine now thank u :) |
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| 20:31.42 | icewind_ | no problem |
| 20:31.50 | PasNox | it's now better friendly this activities concept :) |
| 20:31.53 | PasNox | bye |
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| 20:45.38 | Goliath | i wanted to say well done on the new kde |
| 20:45.45 | Goliath | its fast and good looking |
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| 20:47.23 | Raydiation | hehe instead of elegance it would be better to make kde really stable |
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| 20:48.15 | Raydiation | ive still had a lot problems with 4.5.5 |
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| 20:48.55 | Goliath | well it will be better |
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| 20:50.16 | Raydiation | especially kopete |
| 20:50.28 | Raydiation | + network plasmoid |
| 20:50.34 | Raydiation | no wpa enterprise : / |
| 20:50.43 | Raydiation | well not working |
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| 20:51.42 | anish | Raydiation: try wicd |
| 20:53.59 | eshat | I think that KDE is becoming overloaded with tones of features, that aren't really needed |
| 20:54.12 | eshat | *tons |
| 20:55.14 | eshat | I have no idea, why I would need these activities |
| 20:55.15 | Raydiation | eshat: i wouldnt have a problem with it if everything would work |
| 20:55.26 | sreich | eshat: so don't use them? |
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| 20:55.30 | eshat | Raydiation: true, but what about performance ? |
| 20:55.47 | sreich | eshat: you've got to be kidding. |
| 20:55.53 | Raydiation | eshat: i dont think this is a huge performance issue |
| 20:56.03 | eshat | sreich: why should I ? |
| 20:56.20 | eshat | performance and design, is what I think should be worked on |
| 20:56.24 | eliasp | couldn't live without activities anymore... I've been waiting for them since ages (yes, they've been in 4.0 already, but weren't really usable) |
| 20:56.48 | sreich | eshat: so..you're worried about activities..memory that is not even allocated until needed/used...impacting performance? |
| 20:56.58 | sreich | that doesn't make any sense |
| 20:57.12 | cb400f | eshat: if you want different wallpaper or different widgets on different virtual desktops, then you need activiities |
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| 20:57.37 | eshat | sreich: I am not meaning activies in special |
| 20:57.48 | sreich | ok |
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| 20:58.32 | eshat | I mean, that the whole KDE SC is just becoming overloaded and the useabilty suffers from this |
| 20:58.49 | Raydiation | eshat: kde has always been overloaded |
| 20:59.01 | cb400f | not 4.0 :-) |
| 20:59.01 | Raydiation | so i dunno what people are expecting |
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| 20:59.07 | eshat | cb400f: hahahah true :D |
| 20:59.08 | Raydiation | haha 4.0 was not usable |
| 20:59.10 | sreich | if you want something featureless...use fluxbox or icewm or whatever |
| 20:59.19 | sreich | Raydiation: nor was it intended to be |
| 20:59.25 | eshat | Let me give you an example |
| 20:59.27 | Raydiation | sreich: i know |
| 20:59.31 | Raydiation | sreich: but maybe |
| 20:59.40 | Raydiation | 3.95 would have been better |
| 21:00.00 | eshat | A user that is new to KDE 4 (maybe used 3 in the past) would need many time to figure out, how to edit his panels |
| 21:00.01 | Raydiation | instead of 4.0, its just a naming issue |
| 21:00.11 | sreich | Raydiation: I doubt it. Then you'd have other morons saying "omgz it's the NEWEST kde3 version" |
| 21:00.24 | anish | sreich: is true |
| 21:00.27 | Raydiation | eshat: yes ofc, if you want normal defaults and easy handling take gnome |
| 21:00.35 | eshat | we had this issue at my university, where I had to help many people with custimizing their panel |
| 21:00.48 | Raydiation | eshat: you take kde if you want those features |
| 21:00.55 | sreich | we've made it quite clear, save for remotely tazing the user before he downloads it, and shouting to him that it is not a real release. |
| 21:00.56 | eshat | Raydiation: right, that's what we have done, we migrated the users to gnome |
| 21:01.21 | Raydiation | eshat: i think kde is more for the advanced user |
| 21:01.29 | Raydiation | who wants to tinker a lot |
| 21:01.54 | eshat | Raydiation: That's right, but is this the goal of KDE SC ? |
| 21:02.00 | sreich | I don't see how it's much different from adding widgets to your macosx dashboard |
| 21:02.06 | Raydiation | eshat: i guess so |
| 21:02.08 | sreich | or adding icons to your windows panel |
| 21:02.18 | sreich | or applets to your gnome panel.. |
| 21:02.20 | eshat | sreich: it is.... |
| 21:02.30 | sreich | or widgets to your windows (7) desktop |
| 21:02.33 | eshat | you first have to unlock widgets |
| 21:02.50 | sreich | which one would think would be *pretty* obvious |
| 21:02.50 | eshat | then eventuelly add an empty panel (if your kde 3 panel was lost through update) |
| 21:03.01 | Raydiation | eshat: like i said i dont think kde is for inexperienced users |
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| 21:03.13 | sreich | considering there are a total of 3 or so actions, one of which involving widgets, and the word unlock |
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| 21:03.30 | sreich | eshat: oh, well that's kde3->4 migration. totally different |
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| 21:03.36 | icewind_ | eshat: you can also add a "default" panel now (since 4.5 ?) |
| 21:03.44 | sreich | icewind_: yeah |
| 21:03.55 | eshat | icewind_: really ? that would have saved a lot of work, I had to do :D |
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| 21:04.37 | Sho_ | yup, there's a template mechanism for panels now, so when adding a panel you can pick between Emtpy Panel and Default Panel (and maybe more, depending on the distro) |
| 21:04.39 | Raydiation | eshat: hehe therefore your argument is invalid :D |
| 21:04.59 | eshat | Raydiation: I am not talking about panels only... |
| 21:05.08 | Raydiation | eshat: i know |
| 21:05.45 | icewind_ | I remember the good old 4.0 days when you couldn't even rearange plasmoids without remove them first :P |
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| 21:06.10 | eshat | However, I remember that there have been a time, when KDE 3 was recommended for users, which switched from windows, since it was easy and very userfriendly |
| 21:06.22 | eshat | I didn't know, that KDE is changed to the "more experienced" users |
| 21:06.30 | sreich | icewind_: "and we learned to love it!" :p |
| 21:06.41 | cb400f | thinks there are excellent usability improvements for plasma in 4.5 and 4.6.. just wishes there'd be a bit less stuff popping up on mouse over by default.. and that the digiclock and krunners wouldn't start akonadi/mysql for people who don't need it |
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| 21:07.01 | icewind_ | sreich: exactly :) |
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| 21:07.15 | eshat | cb400f: akonadi, I had sooo much trouble with this thing... |
| 21:07.16 | Raydiation | eshat: hm, i always thought that kde was complicated for new users |
| 21:07.24 | anish | anyone remember how to unblur the panel background in kde ? |
| 21:07.34 | eshat | Raydiation: really ? I don't think, that KDE 3 was complicated |
| 21:07.50 | Raydiation | eshat: well i guess you got used to it |
| 21:07.53 | icewind_ | eshat: you could argue 3.x was/is more "window like" then 4.x |
| 21:07.58 | sylion | Hello, i have some problem: GTK style not work, and its looks not good (KDE 4.6)... |
| 21:08.09 | eshat | sylion: use qtcurve |
| 21:08.19 | cb400f | oxygen-gtk! |
| 21:08.21 | anish | sylion: use qtcurve |
| 21:08.23 | icewind_ | or oxygen-gtk |
| 21:08.33 | eshat | sylion: and gtk-chtheme to select qtcurve for gtk windows |
| 21:08.36 | sylion | i use but its dont work, its look as like windows 95 |
| 21:08.51 | eshat | sylion: then you have to select qtcurve with gtk-chtheme |
| 21:09.17 | sylion | i try use the QTCurve and Raleigh - not work |
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| 21:10.27 | eshat | however, me and kde, its kinda love-hate. There are times I would love to switch something with better performance and more minimal like e17 |
| 21:10.39 | eshat | but we always found back together :) |
| 21:10.50 | sreich | meh, e17 |
| 21:11.35 | eshat | well e17 is interesting, but there are always things, that I miss from KDE and make me switch back |
| 21:11.52 | sreich | there was a phase when a group of people said "oh! e17 will solve everything...". I have yet to be impressed by anything |
| 21:12.10 | cb400f | was that in the late 90s? ;-) |
| 21:12.28 | Raydiation | eshat: im running gnome-shell atm, i really recommend trying it, its awesome |
| 21:13.10 | sylion | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18393402/%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BA1.png |
| 21:13.17 | eshat | Raydiation: It's unavailable to me, since debian is in deep freeze. Expect, there are debs available |
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| 21:14.00 | Raydiation | eshat: im running the git version |
| 21:14.13 | Raydiation | its easy to build due to jhbuild |
| 21:14.27 | eshat | Raydiation: well, I don't think this belongs to #KDE ;) |
| 21:14.29 | Raydiation | i would really like a free machine though to test 4.6 |
| 21:15.02 | eshat | But maybe people here are very tolerant :D |
| 21:15.17 | Raydiation | eshat: yes, normally people are very open minded |
| 21:15.26 | Raydiation | on freenode :) |
| 21:16.15 | eshat | I'll havee a shot on gnome-shell |
| 21:16.19 | pinotree | (... which is not the same as allowing offtopic) |
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| 21:19.11 | wulfen | Does there exist a widget which would allow me to turn off the power to my monitors with a key or button? |
| 21:19.38 | icewind_ | I think I saw one on kde-look sometimes |
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| 21:20.30 | icewind_ | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Turn+Off+Monitor?content=117849 |
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| 21:21.00 | wulfen | Lovely, icewind_, thank you kindly. |
| 21:21.47 | sylion | who know where is the script "qtcurve-gtk2" what must start with system? |
| 21:22.21 | cb400f | sylion: do you have kcm_gtk installed? |
| 21:22.29 | cb400f | if you do.. just select the gtk theme you want there |
| 21:23.19 | sylion | yes |
| 21:24.21 | sylion | in autorun must be a script, but i dont remember where its script in system |
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| 21:26.08 | sylion | can you look to system settings autorun and tell me, where its script |
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| 21:26.38 | sylion | qtcurve-gtk2-engine |
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| 21:31.38 | icewind_ | sylion: I don't have a qtcurve-gtk2-engine but I do have a gtk-qt-engine |
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| 21:32.50 | wulfen | Can custom entries be added to the "Screen Edge Actions" list? |
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| 21:36.54 | nbnds | is it possible to force kde remember open programs and window positions? |
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| 21:37.15 | icewind_ | when restarting? |
| 21:37.35 | sreich | yes |
| 21:37.41 | nbnds | yes |
| 21:37.53 | sreich | enable restoring from session, under startup |
| 21:37.57 | nbnds | i have kde 4.95 |
| 21:38.04 | anish | wy7 |
| 21:38.06 | anish | *why |
| 21:38.06 | sreich | but window positions won't work |
| 21:38.06 | cb400f | session management should restore your previous session by default |
| 21:38.19 | nbnds | thx for keyword |
| 21:38.22 | sreich | well.. |
| 21:38.35 | sreich | it could, but you have to set each app's window to remember their positions and stuff |
| 21:38.41 | sreich | it'd probably work then |
| 21:39.29 | icewind_ | for me most apps remember their positions |
| 21:39.50 | icewind_ | only amarok want's to move to a different desktop |
| 21:40.49 | sreich | yeah, I thought it did that by default,too. |
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| 21:42.49 | nbnds | nice, it does it. now i have disabled plasma and have all my program windows stacked together, just turn on and resume my work. nice |
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| 21:47.22 | evilmole | permission to rant to someone about 3 things i need fixed in kde 4 (been using it since 2... still missing kde 3 cause of 3 things) |
| 21:47.46 | anish | only if u can do it in haiku |
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| 21:47.52 | evilmole | lol |
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| 21:48.05 | ompaul | evilmole: including a bug reference for each |
| 21:48.07 | evilmole | right click dragging, where is it, i miss you forever so |
| 21:48.40 | evilmole | fish protocol file manage queing sucks please let me connect |
| 21:49.05 | cb400f | try sftp:// instead when fish failz |
| 21:49.41 | evilmole | k |
| 21:50.04 | The_Blob | ah nice cb400f I'm going to have to try that too |
| 21:50.05 | evilmole | draging to taskbar context menu where did u go |
| 21:50.28 | The_Blob | I didn't realize the two methods were completely different, I assumed fish and sftp were pretty much synonymous but they aren't |
| 21:50.48 | anish | gives evilmole some internets for his effort |
| 21:50.59 | evilmole | lol |
| 21:51.45 | Sho_ | actually the rule should be "try fish:// if sftp:// fails", sftp is preferable |
| 21:51.55 | evilmole | perfect will test! |
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| 21:52.30 | evilmole | am i missing something for righ click drag?... did that disappear completely? |
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| 21:53.51 | evilmole | also... dragging onto task bar... did that die in the change over to qt4? |
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| 21:54.09 | evilmole | or am i just userly defficient |
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| 21:54.49 | evilmole | i mean system tray! |
| 21:54.51 | evilmole | sorry |
| 21:54.53 | sreich | dragging what to the panel? |
| 21:54.58 | sreich | wah? systemtray? |
| 21:55.03 | evilmole | yeah... onto systemtray |
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| 21:55.54 | sreich | so. why would you want to drag icons onto the system tray? |
| 21:56.10 | sreich | and..you can embed widgeets which support it, in the system tray |
| 21:56.21 | evilmole | in kde 3 u could drag mp3 onto amarok and context menu would pop up... |
| 21:56.25 | evilmole | maybe amarok issue then |
| 21:56.42 | sreich | I have no clue what you're talking about |
| 21:56.48 | evilmole | lol |
| 21:57.26 | evilmole | drag mp3 onto system tray amarok icon ... get menu... "queue, append and play" or whatever |
| 21:57.53 | evilmole | and generally u used to be able to right click drag anything to anywhere and get context popup "move/copy" etc |
| 21:58.00 | evilmole | can't right click drag ne more at all |
| 21:58.14 | d3x | sees no reason to drag the mp3s if you can just right-click on them and choose 'actions -> queue in amarok' |
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| 21:59.17 | evilmole | it also used to pop up amarok if u hovered over system tray |
| 21:59.35 | evilmole | with somthing clicked and dragged |
| 21:59.56 | evilmole | not a big deal |
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| 22:04.02 | cdahmedeh | hello, i've noticed that kde uses much power than xfce, (20W vs 13W), i waited a few minutes, disabled compositing, nepomuk and strigi, and cpu usage under 2%, still really high power usage |
| 22:04.13 | cdahmedeh | system : arch linux 64-bit, intel graphics |
| 22:04.31 | cdahmedeh | kde 4.6 |
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| 22:06.28 | evilmole | fish:// sftp:// smb:// all have same queing problem... can't initiate file transfer then browse in another window :( |
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| 22:07.02 | evilmole | my hugest gripe with kde4 > kde3 |
| 22:07.24 | evilmole | wish some way i could solve it |
| 22:07.27 | sreich | cdahmedeh: is the display at the same brightness? |
| 22:08.00 | ompaul | evilmole: so when did you enter these things as wishlist items on the bug tracker? |
| 22:08.09 | evilmole | i will |
| 22:08.16 | evilmole | i'm blaming pebcak |
| 22:08.27 | ompaul | yours for dropping the ball? ;-) |
| 22:08.36 | evilmole | that's why i'm here.... check to see if it's a user problem or just a missing feature since change over |
| 22:08.53 | ompaul | thats where the bug tracker helps you |
| 22:09.04 | evilmole | k |
| 22:09.10 | evilmole | goes seeks this thing out... |
| 22:09.10 | ompaul | irc is only irc - the bug tracker is king |
| 22:09.33 | evilmole | k |
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| 22:10.26 | cdahmedeh | sreich: yes |
| 22:10.26 | HackeMate | hello, kdetv doesnt find my device, can i install something to make it? |
| 22:10.30 | pfrog | why is the kopete task tray icon the only one thats colorful |
| 22:10.31 | HackeMate | i can see it in dmesg |
| 22:10.33 | pfrog | seems out of place |
| 22:11.02 | sreich | cdahmedeh: wireless in the same state, etc.? |
| 22:11.19 | cdahmedeh | sreich: yes i disabled wireless in both, and dimmed the brightness all the way the down |
| 22:11.25 | cdahmedeh | disabled strigi and indexing |
| 22:11.30 | cdahmedeh | and turned off compositor |
| 22:11.34 | sreich | k |
| 22:11.51 | cdahmedeh | i think it's the plasma desktop, using more of the graphics card or something |
| 22:12.05 | cdahmedeh | like i know kde makes use of xrender and opengl |
| 22:12.55 | evilmole | ompaul: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250882 |
| 22:12.58 | evilmole | should i add to this bug? |
| 22:13.05 | evilmole | it's nothing to do with windows |
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| 22:13.16 | evilmole | i have no windows and it's not just smb:// it's fish:// and sftp:// |
| 22:13.32 | cdahmedeh | sreich: someone told me to take a look at iotop, he says io takes quite a bit of power |
| 22:13.35 | evilmole | something to diwth client / and task queuing somehow |
| 22:13.57 | sreich | cdahmedeh: yes. I assumed you'd already looked into those things.. |
| 22:14.19 | cdahmedeh | sreich: give me a minute, i will compare |
| 22:15.02 | ompaul | evilmole: if you feel your data confirms that bug you could confirm that one -- and point out it is not ubuntu only |
| 22:15.09 | evilmole | ompaul: i could start a new bug but this is the exact problem |
| 22:15.37 | ompaul | you could |
| 22:15.45 | evilmole | what is preferred? |
| 22:15.46 | ompaul | and you could reference the other bug |
| 22:15.49 | ompaul | not sure |
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| 22:16.38 | ompaul | evilmole: trying to get someone who would know more about protocol on that one |
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| 22:18.33 | Sho_ | evilmole: Personally I'd open a new bug report that better captures that it seems to be a more generic KIO problem for you, and then note in the text that bug 250882 seems very similar and might possibly be related |
| 22:19.23 | evilmole | Sho_: okay... i'm just double checking and confirming everything... before i send someone on a wild goose chase |
| 22:19.24 | Sho_ | evilmole: Then it's up to the responsible developers to determine whether there is in fact a connection and merge them |
| 22:19.53 | evilmole | seems like an obvious bug... existed all throughout every kde release since change over to 4 |
| 22:20.02 | evilmole | something to do with notifications i think... |
| 22:20.12 | sreich | it might be less obvious than you think.. |
| 22:21.05 | evilmole | k |
| 22:21.31 | evilmole | for sure fish:// sftp:// have the problem... checking smb:// |
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| 22:27.24 | ompaul | Sho_: thanks for that |
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| 22:27.43 | Sho_ | no problem |
| 22:29.59 | evilmole | heh |
| 22:30.06 | evilmole | someone needs to add version 4.6 to bugzilla |
| 22:30.24 | evilmole | nm it's there |
| 22:31.39 | loadedwith_ | anyone else have this problem: when you set Klipper's "move up/down the clipboard" hotkeys, it doesn't stay static after you log off. it's in the system settings -> hotkeys, but not in Klipper |
| 22:32.14 | jasonlife | It seems I can create a widget on Desktop with plasmapkg on Konsole.. Is it also possbile to remove the widget from Konsole ? |
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| 22:38.17 | jasonlife | Is there a way to create a desktop icon from Konsole? |
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| 22:40.29 | thiago_home | no, konsole has no such option in its menus |
| 22:40.47 | thiago_home | what do you want, to create an icon to a "konsole shortcut" that takes you to a specific dir? |
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| 22:41.05 | jasonlife | thiago: no.. I want to create a desktop icon.. |
| 22:41.21 | icewind_ | I think he means from command line |
| 22:41.27 | jasonlife | like short cut for an application.. |
| 22:41.51 | thiago_home | use a text editor and write your .desktop file |
| 22:42.06 | jasonlife | I used to add a desktop icon by copying the .desktop file into Desktop device on KDE3.. |
| 22:43.05 | EffBee | jasonlife: Right-click desktop, Settings, click Unlock Widgets, then change the type to Folder View |
| 22:43.06 | jasonlife | I have a desktop file.. |
| 22:43.16 | EffBee | Click Ok |
| 22:43.18 | EffBee | Profit |
| 22:43.40 | jasonlife | EffBee: thanks.. I will try that.. |
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| 22:46.04 | jasonlife | EffBee: Is that also applicable to KDE 4.4.2 ? |
| 22:46.39 | EffBee | jasonlife: Latest version is 4.6, you should be using at least 4.5, but the same general idea applies |
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| 22:47.24 | jasonlife | hmm.. I'm using Kubuntu 10.04 and it has 4.4.2... :( |
| 22:47.49 | EffBee | The next version of Kubuntu coming this April will use 4.6. |
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| 22:50.17 | jasonlife | EffBee: Thanks for the Info.. |
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| 23:04.17 | paxcoder | do you ppl use your clipboard when you close an app like us poor saps in ##gnome? |
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| 23:04.21 | paxcoder | *loose, not use |
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| 23:04.31 | sreich | paxcoder: no |
| 23:04.37 | paxcoder | sreich, are you sure? what do you do? |
| 23:04.49 | pinotree | use klipper |
| 23:04.50 | sreich | paxcoder: we have klipper, an app that runs in the background to preserve it |
| 23:05.13 | paxcoder | well we have glipper, but i that's too much |
| 23:05.23 | paxcoder | so by default you loose it too? |
| 23:05.32 | pinotree | that's X's behaviour |
| 23:05.42 | sreich | well, by default, klipper is always running :) |
| 23:05.47 | sreich | I don't see the issue in it really |
| 23:05.55 | paxcoder | pinotree, sure, doesn't mean it's a limitation to the DE |
| 23:05.59 | sreich | well, the issue in the workaround for X's issue, I meant. |
| 23:06.10 | paxcoder | yeah |
| 23:09.01 | paxcoder | the discussion ended in #gnome by silence too :-/ |
| 23:09.22 | sreich | I don't really see what there is to discuss |
| 23:09.46 | sreich | there was a question, then there was an answer. I thought that was what occurred in conversations ;-) |
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| 23:09.55 | paxcoder | there's should be an app for that. one not as heavy as *lipper. |
| 23:10.08 | paxcoder | apt-get install clipboard-preserve |
| 23:10.13 | sreich | how are they heavy? |
| 23:10.24 | paxcoder | they tend to remember everything |
| 23:10.41 | paxcoder | and g* sits in the taskbar... etc |
| 23:10.43 | sreich | oh, but that's what I like about it ;-) |
| 23:10.47 | sreich | all of those things :D |
| 23:10.55 | paxcoder | sure. i just didn't like that |
| 23:11.03 | paxcoder | i'd like something simpler |
| 23:11.15 | sreich | yeah, I see what you mean. |
| 23:12.09 | paxcoder | anyway, thx for the chat |
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| 23:18.22 | paxcoder | sry peeps. ISP troubles. |
| 23:18.31 | paxcoder | if you said anything repeat. this is my last: |
| 23:18.34 | paxcoder | <sreich> yeah, I see what you mean. |
| 23:18.34 | paxcoder | * nielsslot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 23:18.34 | paxcoder | <paxcoder> anyway, thx for the chat |
| 23:19.14 | junkDawgie | there was no additional comments, pax |
| 23:19.21 | paxcoder | ok :-) |
| 23:20.32 | sreich | :) |
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| 23:21.32 | Katovatzschyn | KDE 4.6- is there a way to view all active documents in a list to select between still? |
| 23:21.43 | Katovatzschyn | list dissapeared when I updated, can't seem to turn it back on |
| 23:22.56 | Katovatzschyn | sorry, in kate* |
| 23:23.06 | brockers | paxcoder: klipper is pretty light for a clipboard history program. You can always set it to only remember the last 1 entry if you are worried about the memory usage. |
| 23:23.35 | evilmole | Katovatzschyn: "view/show sidebars" |
| 23:23.50 | evilmole | sorry |
| 23:23.53 | evilmole | Katovatzschyn: "view/tool views/show sidebars" |
| 23:24.02 | paxcoder | brockers, yeah, i'm hoping g* has such a feature. i'm sorry but i just don't like your bling and icons etc. |
| 23:25.10 | Katovatzschyn | is this necessarily shows file path instead of just list of file? |
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