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| 00:44.51 | the_file | I got a problem here |
| 00:44.53 | the_file | isn't it about time the kde cashew has somekind of option to be disabled?. |
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| 01:33.45 | mirage335 | Hi. Is it possible to configure KDE to use a specific command rather than powerdevil for suspend to disk? |
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| 01:47.47 | mirage335 | ouch, that's bad |
| 01:48.27 | mirage335 | I like KDE4 but I really wish it was a bit more layered and configurable about these things. |
| 01:48.44 | junkDawgie | you could script your desire, mirage |
| 01:48.50 | mirage335 | how? |
| 01:48.58 | junkDawgie | and add the script to the menu or taskbar |
| 01:49.09 | mirage335 | I've done that already. |
| 01:49.20 | mirage335 | I was looking for a better fix... |
| 01:49.51 | junkDawgie | ah, i assumed you had a special case |
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| 01:51.15 | mirage335 | I do. Removing certain modules is a must, and the powerdevil stuff hasn't worked too well. |
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| 02:23.22 | Daskreech | mirage335: What's powerdevil been doing? |
| 02:25.17 | mirage335 | It crashes when s2disk doesn't. |
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| 02:49.45 | Daskreech | mirage335: sorry to hear does it have a trace? |
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| 02:51.29 | mirage335 | No, it doesn't, consdering that a crash = no resume. |
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| 02:52.26 | Daskreech | Hmm good point |
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| 02:54.42 | mirage335 | Frankly I think KDE is going too far with making an integrated desktop that stands isolated from more traditional UNIX tools like the existing ACPI daemon, the command line, the SWAT tool, the CUPS web interface, etc. |
| 02:55.02 | mirage335 | Oh, and the xorg command line tools like xset. |
| 02:55.36 | Daskreech | powerdevil works with the ACPI daemon |
| 02:55.49 | mirage335 | I want my desktop environment to be a frontend, not try to hardcode replacement backends that worked fine to begin with. |
| 02:55.56 | Daskreech | It's actually not very isolated at all |
| 02:56.12 | mirage335 | Didn't for me... I had to configure the acpi button with khotkeys. |
| 02:56.25 | Daskreech | file a bug |
| 02:56.42 | mirage335 | Other people already did. |
| 02:56.48 | Daskreech | ok where? |
| 02:56.49 | mirage335 | That was the answer. :( |
| 02:56.53 | Daskreech | I'll vote on it |
| 02:57.10 | mirage335 | don't remember, but like I said, it's just one annoyance |
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| 02:58.14 | Daskreech | How is it isolated from the command line? |
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| 03:00.01 | mirage335 | ACPId just had powerbtn.sh to edit. |
| 03:00.12 | mirage335 | KDE has nothing like that. |
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| 03:02.12 | Daskreech | Well I don't really follow that since I don't have a laptop and never suspend but I'll ask one of the powerdevil team to see what the philosphy is |
| 03:02.37 | mirage335 | Thanks! |
| 03:02.49 | Daskreech | But I do think in general that all the linux Desktops (I can't speak for LXDE) are getting more complex |
| 03:02.58 | mirage335 | yeah |
| 03:03.16 | Daskreech | and to some extent even other underlying systems are not as straightforward |
| 03:03.25 | Daskreech | Grub and udev jump to mind |
| 03:03.33 | mirage335 | I'm thinking of making my own focused on being a simple frontend that uses other tools wherever possible. |
| 03:04.11 | mirage335 | Anyone smart enough to want to manage grub should understand how to edit /etc/default/grub.cfg :) |
| 03:04.54 | Daskreech | mirage335: Have you seen it in Grub2? |
| 03:05.01 | mirage335 | yeh |
| 03:05.05 | mirage335 | *yeah |
| 03:05.20 | mirage335 | I even do crazy things with grub2. |
| 03:05.33 | Daskreech | It's way more flexible but it's a lot more complex now |
| 03:06.15 | Daskreech | and things like X's goal to have X just work and all the tools to manage it will be GUI tools |
| 03:06.35 | mirage335 | And when it doesn't the xorg.conf file is fine... |
| 03:06.58 | Daskreech | and the ext's team suggestion that configuration files should be held in databases instead of flat files |
| 03:07.01 | mirage335 | Especially seeing as Xorg doesn' read it the same way every other version. |
| 03:07.12 | mirage335 | I disagree strongly with that. |
| 03:07.23 | Daskreech | I do as well |
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| 03:07.49 | Daskreech | but as I said it seems that somethings are trending to being more complicated than the simple things they were before |
| 03:08.20 | Daskreech | Debian just changed the startup sequence to happen all at the same time instead of sequentially |
| 03:08.37 | mirage335 | Actually that's MUCH simpler. |
| 03:09.09 | mirage335 | Just define what you depend on in the init script, and forget clever numbering :) |
| 03:09.10 | Daskreech | I haven't looked at the management of it |
| 03:09.17 | mirage335 | There is none. |
| 03:09.26 | Daskreech | but yes I would suspect something like that might happen |
| 03:09.44 | mirage335 | It's just done with 5 lines of text in each init script. |
| 03:09.47 | Daskreech | as long as you know what you depend on |
| 03:09.57 | Daskreech | is there an example one somewhere? |
| 03:10.16 | mirage335 | Somewhere in the debian docs, yes. |
| 03:10.56 | Daskreech | I just pulled them up :) |
| 03:10.59 | mirage335 | Google "Should-Start" and "Required-Stop" to find it. |
| 03:11.06 | mirage335 | However |
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| 03:11.49 | mirage335 | if KDE is going to start religiously converting flat file based stuff like smb.conf to dark databases I'm out for sure. |
| 03:12.10 | Daskreech | mirage335: oh KDE said hell no fix the file system |
| 03:12.19 | mirage335 | hmm |
| 03:12.28 | mirage335 | what does 'fix' entail then? |
| 03:12.38 | Daskreech | Ext team says it is fixed stop having thousands of small files being read at the same time |
| 03:12.55 | mirage335 | hmm |
| 03:12.58 | Daskreech | so I guess at some point somone will put a patch in somewhere to resolve things |
| 03:13.08 | mirage335 | You mean the ext filesystem then. |
| 03:13.10 | mirage335 | :o |
| 03:13.27 | Daskreech | One nice thing with the large FOSS communities is they end arguments with code :) |
| 03:13.40 | mirage335 | Agreed. |
| 03:14.04 | Daskreech | and on occasion with lawyers :) |
| 03:14.14 | Daskreech | oh ho ho ho Is that so? |
| 03:14.18 | Daskreech | GPLv3 |
| 03:14.27 | Daskreech | :-D |
| 03:14.41 | mirage335 | licensing... bleh |
| 03:14.49 | Daskreech | It's important don't shun it |
| 03:14.54 | mirage335 | It matters for the big guys. |
| 03:15.03 | Daskreech | ha ha you are so wrong |
| 03:15.11 | mirage335 | Little projects are better with LGPL IMO. |
| 03:15.37 | Daskreech | I need to follow up with brtfs to see how it handles multiple file streams |
| 03:15.47 | Daskreech | that's still licensing so ... |
| 03:15.59 | mirage335 | Bad idea to risk a small project on other people's licenses IMHO. |
| 03:16.06 | mirage335 | hmm |
| 03:16.32 | mirage335 | BTRFS is pretty cool, but basically re-does ZFS. |
| 03:16.37 | Daskreech | well yeha |
| 03:16.44 | Daskreech | licensing :) |
| 03:17.11 | mirage335 | I wonder why Oracle is still working on BTRFS seeing as they now own ZFS... |
| 03:17.25 | Daskreech | Cause they rebrand Redhat |
| 03:17.42 | Daskreech | I was wondering why they work on ZFS |
| 03:17.49 | mirage335 | hmm |
| 03:18.07 | Daskreech | but I guess they want Solaris to live on as a coffer trickle |
| 03:18.30 | mirage335 | Still, one way or another there wouldn't seem to be a need for both filesystems now. |
| 03:18.48 | mirage335 | They could relicense ZFS or just finish BTRFS. |
| 03:20.20 | mirage335 | Anywa, will KDE try creating any fancy recreations of existing flat-file systems? |
| 03:20.40 | mirage335 | That is, will they try shadow-copying smb.conf and such? |
| 03:21.41 | Daskreech | Why would KDE do that? |
| 03:22.29 | mirage335 | I don't want to imagine, it sounded like what you were saying a while back though. |
| 03:22.42 | mirage335 | Just want to confirm that won't happen :) |
| 03:24.59 | Daskreech | Well they were suggesting converting ~/.kde into a database |
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| 03:25.35 | Daskreech | but I doubt that will happen anytime soon |
| 03:25.57 | mirage335 | hmm |
| 03:26.20 | Daskreech | You'll need to ask samba about smb.conf |
| 03:26.23 | Daskreech | L( |
| 03:26.25 | Daskreech | :) |
| 03:26.29 | mirage335 | I don't like that idea either though. |
| 03:26.56 | doda | Daskreech: what kind of db? |
| 03:27.24 | Daskreech | doda: I don't think they cared they just didn't want hundreds of flat files open |
| 03:27.59 | doda | aha |
| 03:28.08 | doda | makes sense |
| 03:28.21 | Daskreech | in one sense which they were looking at |
| 03:28.41 | Daskreech | I can't see that way not leading to disaster pretty easily though |
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| 03:30.47 | doda | Daskreech: well it could improve performance |
| 03:31.37 | doda | althought not in practice |
| 03:31.52 | Daskreech | yes but it's also going to be a bastard to migrate or to make small changes to fix things if say your brand new video card crashes the desktop |
| 03:32.50 | doda | well with a tool for the job |
| 03:33.07 | Daskreech | ha ha ha |
| 03:33.23 | Daskreech | Yeah I'm sure that many nights would be up on the design for that tool |
| 03:33.38 | Daskreech | Most peopel can't fathom how KDE runs as it is |
| 03:33.45 | doda | :D |
| 03:33.56 | Daskreech | Piping it all through one tool is going to be fantastic |
| 03:34.12 | Daskreech | I'd buy stock in popcorn companies it would be such a good show |
| 03:34.22 | mirage335 | g2g, cya later |
| 03:34.29 | Daskreech | mirage335: Thanks c u |
| 03:34.54 | doda | well kde4.6 is great, except that you can't disable some settings |
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| 03:35.31 | Daskreech | which are those? |
| 03:35.56 | doda | akonadi |
| 03:36.08 | doda | and nepomuk acts wierd |
| 03:36.44 | Daskreech | you can't turn of nepomuk? |
| 03:36.52 | Daskreech | off |
| 03:37.37 | doda | i can |
| 03:38.05 | Daskreech | oh |
| 03:38.08 | doda | but when i turned it on, kded started using 100% cpu |
| 03:38.17 | Daskreech | oh yeah that would be strigi I think |
| 03:38.22 | doda | disabling it nor loging out didn't help |
| 03:38.25 | doda | yep |
| 03:38.30 | Daskreech | it's really aggressive at getting data |
| 03:38.44 | Daskreech | I just happened to turn it on on an empty ~ |
| 03:39.28 | Daskreech | so I just threw it new things every few days but if it had tried to grab my Music collection day one I'm sure I"d still be in the corner crying and sucking my thumb |
| 03:40.03 | doda | :D |
| 03:40.17 | doda | except for those things kde is awesome |
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| 03:40.38 | Daskreech | what about akonadi? |
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| 03:42.27 | doda | well you can't disable it the right way |
| 03:44.01 | Daskreech | tries to remember if KDE relies on akonadi |
| 03:45.06 | doda | yep it does :D |
| 03:45.14 | doda | but not for critical stuff |
| 03:47.15 | Daskreech | like what? |
| 03:47.30 | Ozzzy | mine sits at 'akonadi server has been stopped'.... never seen it 'started' |
| 03:47.34 | Ozzzy | doesn't seem to hurt things |
| 03:48.22 | Daskreech | I know Kmail needs it |
| 03:48.29 | Daskreech | Kontact stuff |
| 03:48.31 | Ozzzy | I use kmail and it's never complained |
| 03:48.54 | Ozzzy | I don't even know what akonadi does |
| 03:48.55 | doda | Ozzzy: kmail needs it afaik |
| 03:48.56 | Daskreech | what else on the desktop has a akonadi dependcy? |
| 03:48.58 | Ozzzy | but it's never running here |
| 03:49.06 | doda | the calendar |
| 03:49.13 | doda | konversation ... |
| 03:49.17 | Daskreech | doda: You can have Kmail run from a maildir |
| 03:49.24 | Daskreech | konversation? |
| 03:49.38 | Ozzzy | well... I use kmail, kopete and konversation... none have ever bitched about akonadi not running |
| 03:50.08 | Daskreech | Calendar I may buy though I can't think of any reason why it would need akonadi |
| 03:50.42 | Daskreech | Maybe the events but if you don't have any personal events turning off akonadi won't make the clock suddenly go away ( I hope) |
| 03:51.40 | doda | Daskreech: yep for contacts |
| 03:51.50 | Daskreech | Konversation uses the Kaddressbook. If you have that pointed at Akonadi then maybe but you can have the Kaddressbook point at a dir of vcards as well |
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| 03:54.07 | doda | Daskreech: didn't know that |
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| 05:39.06 | flan_suse | Who here on KDE 4.6 notices a black panel when not using compositing? |
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| 05:40.54 | thiago | not me |
| 05:42.05 | flan_suse | thiago: What Dekstop Theme as you using? |
| 05:42.16 | thiago | Air |
| 05:42.30 | flan_suse | Hm. |
| 05:42.45 | flan_suse | I'm getting this: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=93411&p=191008 |
| 05:42.54 | flan_suse | Might have something to do with transparency. |
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| 05:43.13 | flan_suse | http://ompldr.org/vN2Rtcw |
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| 05:43.30 | thiago | if you don't have composite, you don't have transparency |
| 05:44.26 | flan_suse | I know, but for Desktop Themes that use transparecy, they appear blackish on non-compositing. |
| 05:44.45 | thiago | I thought they'd use some standard colour |
| 05:44.49 | flan_suse | Does Air use transparency on the panel? |
| 05:44.55 | thiago | yes |
| 05:45.22 | flan_suse | Hm. |
| 05:47.02 | flan_suse | Mind if you try one thing? |
| 05:47.34 | thiago | I'll know if you say what it is |
| 05:48.32 | flan_suse | To install the Glassified theme (Under Desktop Themes) and see if it appears black when compositing is not enabled. |
| 05:50.15 | thiago | I used to use glassified |
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| 05:50.19 | thiago | let me check if this still happens |
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| 05:50.27 | flan_suse | Okay. |
| 05:50.49 | flan_suse | For me, it looks fine (so does Air) with compositing. But without compositing, I get the "black panel" bug as linked above. |
| 05:51.39 | thiago | is trying to find where to change the panel theme |
| 05:51.47 | thiago | it's not in the panel config nor in the desktop config |
| 05:51.56 | Torch | thiago: workspace appearance |
| 05:52.16 | flan_suse | It's here: Settings > Workspace Appearance > Desktop Theme |
| 05:52.23 | thiago | how do I get from there from the desktop? |
| 05:52.33 | Torch | thiago: you don't, i think ;-) |
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| 05:53.16 | EffBee_ | flan_suse: You're using OpenSUSE's own theming. Baaaad. |
| 05:53.21 | EffBee_ | Use the upstream theming instead |
| 05:53.32 | EffBee_ | That one has a fallback for noncompositing |
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| 05:53.47 | flan_suse | EffBee_: Would this be theme-related and nothing to do with Plasma itself? |
| 05:54.24 | thiago | glassified has a gray/black panel without compositing |
| 05:54.30 | flan_suse | Hmmmm. |
| 05:55.09 | flan_suse | But then, how come the "blackish panel" for something like Air openSUSE goes away when clearning the /var/tmp/kde- cache and logging back in? |
| 05:55.43 | flan_suse | Or if you enable and then disable compositing, it looks normal: Greyish, proper colors. Not blackish. |
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| 08:00.34 | RushPL_ | I have connnected a second monitor 1920x1080, my laptop panel is 1366x768 .. after connecting this monitor and playing with outputs now my primary panel when being placed horizontally on either of the monitors always has width of 1920 (I cannot use this panel properly on the 1366 screen even when I disconnect the 1920 monitor ) - how to fix that? |
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| 08:15.22 | bash` | hi all, can I hide *-build dirs from folderview? |
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| 08:21.39 | trebor_dki | debian6 & kde4.4.5 - task-manager. i've done 2 installations from scratch, in both cases the tas-manager only allows switching to tasks/windows of the current desktop. what do i have to configure to get normal (click to switch no matter what desktop) behaviour? |
| 08:23.55 | cb400f | hm.. right click taskbar -> taskbar settings -> show tasks from all virtual desktops |
| 08:24.27 | cb400f | or use ctrl+f10 :-) |
| 08:25.51 | bash` | trebor_dki: System Settings -> Shortcuts and Gestures -> Global -> KWin -> Walk Throught Windows |
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| 08:29.24 | trebor_dki | cb400f: the tasks are displayed, but left-click does not switch. |
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| 08:30.00 | cb400f | hrm.. that sounds extremely weird |
| 08:30.02 | bash` | trebor_dki: ops, seems I didn't understand your ask |
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| 08:30.28 | trebor_dki | bash`: i shortcuts-and-gestures? where is this? |
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| 08:30.37 | cb400f | trebor_dki: does alt+tab or ctrl+f10 work? |
| 08:31.14 | bash` | trebor_dki: you are talking about alt+tab or ctrl+esc? |
| 08:31.47 | trebor_dki | cb400f: alt-tab works (limited to the tasks of the current desktop, but that is like i want it). |
| 08:32.19 | bash` | trebor_dki: so, what's not working? |
| 08:32.40 | trebor_dki | using the task-bar to switch to tasks which are not on the current desktop. |
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| 08:33.32 | trebor_dki | eg i am on desktop 5, want to switch to icedove on desktop 3, normally i go to the taskbar click on icedove and icedove pops up (me switching to desktop 3, too) |
| 08:34.03 | trebor_dki | (ctrl-esc and all function keys are bound by my emacs) |
| 08:34.20 | bash` | trebor_dki: left-click on the panel, task manager settings? |
| 08:34.45 | trebor_dki | bash`: already tried, nothing which changes this behaviour. |
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| 08:35.40 | trebor_dki | surprisingly, the installation which was upgraded (same debian, same kde, but upgraded not freshly installed) does not show this problem. |
| 08:35.46 | bash` | trebor_dki: in effect I'm using 4.6.1, dunno if the option exists in 4.4.5 |
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| 08:36.34 | trebor_dki | i have 3 kde4.4.5, two times fresh install -> problem, one time upgraded -> no problem. |
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| 08:37.11 | trebor_dki | badly the fresh installs are 1. my wife 2. my father in law ... |
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| 08:38.14 | cb400f | it sounds extremely weird.. you should ask some debianites if they can reproduce |
| 08:38.33 | cb400f | and maybe compare the kwinrcs and plasma-desktop-appletsrcs |
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| 08:39.12 | bash` | trebor_dki: these are the settings in 4.6 http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1056/taskmanageru.png |
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| 08:42.32 | Marquel | morning - i have a little problem with NetworkManager: how can i make it using existing wpa-supplicant configuration? |
| 08:42.52 | trebor_dki | bash`: the same here, but none of those helps. |
| 08:43.15 | bash` | trebor_dki: sorry, I cannot help then |
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| 09:01.18 | trebor_dki | cb400f: i found kwinrcs, but no matches for *plasma-*srcs*, where should this reside? |
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| 09:01.56 | cb400f | .kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc |
| 09:02.55 | trebor_dki | ups mistyped. thanks. |
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| 10:17.01 | hyper_ch | hi there, I have a weird issue... no matter what links I click in konversation, they get opened in the browser like file:///var/tmp/kdecache-....... |
| 10:18.09 | hyper_ch | same happens also when clicking links in KMail |
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| 12:17.56 | sergio | When I open a "Save file" dialog, it takes so long to list my files |
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| 12:41.55 | incon | http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/07/nokia-sells-qt-licensing-and-services-business-to-digia/ |
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| 13:09.47 | Verge | zy: They say Qt doesn't support them |
| 13:09.53 | Verge | But Plasma supports so.... |
| 13:10.21 | zy | Verge: it doesnt make sense though, i mean rekonq supports them |
| 13:10.29 | zy | so does firefox |
| 13:10.41 | Verge | So does everybody |
| 13:10.59 | Verge | I modified my buttons to trigger Xorg events instead of just button clicks |
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| 13:12.36 | zy | i know it can be done via xbindkeys, but it seems like it is such an... inelegant way of doing it |
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| 13:32.56 | codeplay | hey! anyone working on Dolphin ? |
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| 13:34.10 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
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| 13:34.45 | AlexC_ | what is the status of KDE PIM? It's been forever in the works (the new version) and we keep getting told it'll be in KDE 4.5.1, then 4.5.2 .. then actually no, it'll be in 4.6.1 ... but wait, no not just yet |
| 13:35.10 | AlexC_ | as a developer my self I understand that you can't say 100% for then, but ... an update would be nice |
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| 13:37.56 | sergio | AlexC_, http://community.kde.org/KDE_PIM/Meetings/Osnabrueck_9#4.6_Release_and_Migration |
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| 13:40.16 | AlexC_ | excellent, so things do actually look promising for 4.6.2? |
| 13:40.58 | Daskreech | codeplay: I'm sure someone is |
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| 14:21.13 | grafrotz | hello there, i have a question about the semantic-desktop |
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| 14:21.51 | cb400f | don't we all ;-) ... just ask |
| 14:22.27 | grafrotz | i have an old dual core amd x2 5600+ (2,9 GHz) with 8GB of RAM. so should i turn semantic-desktop on or off?? which is faster? |
| 14:23.11 | icewind | those specs shouldn't have any problem with the semantic desktop |
| 14:23.13 | cb400f | hm.. naturally the system will be faster with nepomuk/strigi off.. theoretically |
| 14:23.25 | cb400f | but you prolly won't feel any difference on such a monster |
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| 14:24.11 | grafrotz | hmmm. is it possible to turn the semantic-desktop on (in use-Flags) but then turn it off? |
| 14:24.39 | cb400f | sure.. it's just a couple of clicks in systemsettings |
| 14:24.53 | icewind | I've the amd x2 6400+ with 8GB ram and never had any problems with it |
| 14:25.09 | grafrotz | yes, i tried to turn it off, but when i start kde, there is a nepomuk-waiting-bar |
| 14:25.26 | cb400f | sure that's not akonadi? ;-) |
| 14:25.50 | grafrotz | hot to get rid of the nekokum-bar? |
| 14:25.57 | cb400f | if you use kmail you'll need nepomuk too... but strigi (the indexer) is fully optional |
| 14:26.13 | grafrotz | i use claws-mail |
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| 14:26.37 | grafrotz | ( i use twitter instead of mail :-) ) |
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| 14:26.53 | cb400f | like I said, you can disable nepomuk in systemsettings |
| 14:27.03 | grafrotz | i will try |
| 14:27.36 | cb400f | you're prolly refering to akonadi.. that's a bit more insistent.. on 4.6 you have to disable a few runners in krunner... + any plasma clock |
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| 14:28.03 | cb400f | .. and of course you need to refrain from using kopete and konversation.. and pim apps |
| 14:28.11 | grafrotz | i wonder why there is no global off-setting |
| 14:28.21 | grafrotz | one global switch |
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| 14:28.54 | grafrotz | Viewmax had not such stuff... |
| 14:28.59 | grafrotz | that was quality |
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| 14:29.49 | cb400f | the idea is that akonadi should be just part of the runtime like kdelibs etc. |
| 14:30.12 | cb400f | personally I also think it's a bad idea to have the majority of users running an empty mysql etc. for no reason |
| 14:30.16 | grafrotz | runtime? what do you mean? like a standard part? |
| 14:30.48 | cb400f | yep |
| 14:31.31 | Sho_ | still doesn't think Konversation will cause Akonadi to start if no Akonadi PIM resources are defined in System Settings |
| 14:31.52 | Sho_ | As for MySQL, a trick is to set Akonadi to use an external MySQL server rather than use embedded MySQL |
| 14:32.21 | cb400f | what counts is what happens on a fresh default installation |
| 14:32.26 | grafrotz | the problem is: the empty mysql database file takes some mega bytes... when i backup my home dir, that is bad |
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| 14:33.09 | grafrotz | i just compile kde 4.6.1 (?!) on gentoo! |
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| 14:40.40 | grafrotz | is there a list or a howto what i must turn off to turn all semantic things off ? |
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| 14:41.41 | annma_ | grafrotz: just don't index anything |
| 14:42.15 | APTX | cb400f: seriously, you need akonadi for a clock? |
| 14:42.33 | grafrotz | i turned stingri, akonadi and nepokum off and there is still a nepokum-progresssbar when i start kde... what is wrong? |
| 14:43.11 | cb400f | can you provide a screenshot of that? .. I've never seen a nepomuk progressbar.. only akonadi |
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| 14:43.41 | cb400f | APTX: yup, since 4.6.. cuz the calendar popup can show akonadi calendar events |
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| 14:43.52 | cb400f | supposedly there's a hidden option to turn it off though |
| 14:45.05 | grafrotz | hmmm i think this will never be solved... |
| 14:45.22 | cb400f | http://mschlander.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/strigi.png |
| 14:45.32 | cb400f | if you turn off nepomuk there, it should be off |
| 14:45.48 | cb400f | but like I said, making akonadi not start is a bit more work |
| 14:45.58 | grafrotz | an other question: i have two fullhd screens... and i use the plasmoids. kde shows me the plasmoids on screen one, next time on screen two and than on screen one and so on... |
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| 14:51.51 | grafrotz | who the hell did invent the semantic desktop? i want semantic everywhere, but NOT on my desktop |
| 14:53.37 | grafrotz | better would be an option "use semantic on this folder" |
| 14:54.15 | cb400f | you can configure what folder to index etc. of course |
| 14:54.33 | grafrotz | i know this menu |
| 14:54.51 | tertitten | anyone know any good qt audio players like amarok/clementine (library support, eq support, etc) ? I'm writing a article about kde so just wanted to get a idea if there where some other audio players worth mentioning .. |
| 14:54.53 | grafrotz | as i said: i turned three things off (s, a, n) and there is still something ON |
| 14:54.59 | grafrotz | i do not understand it... |
| 14:55.05 | grafrotz | who pulls what? |
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| 14:56.02 | cb400f | something? .. press ctrl+esc.. search for "nepo" and "ako" |
| 14:56.11 | cb400f | give some facts |
| 14:56.11 | icewind | tertitten: bangarang maybe? |
| 14:56.29 | thomasj | tertitten, not pure audio players, but good with audio as well: Kaffeine, bangarang |
| 14:56.42 | thomasj | The latter was/is the first with akonadi support |
| 14:56.43 | grafrotz | nepomukserver |
| 14:57.00 | cb400f | I think qmmp has equalizer.. even if it's only a Qt app.. not kde |
| 14:57.02 | tertitten | ok guys, thanks, I'll check those out |
| 14:57.02 | grafrotz | (is in the list of tasks) |
| 14:57.02 | icewind | nepomuk not akonadi |
| 14:57.24 | thomasj | yeah |
| 14:58.04 | Jucato_ | tertitten: Juk (part of KDE) might be interesting to look into as well. although I think it's more of a music organizer/tagger than an audio player (or so I was told) |
| 14:58.05 | grafrotz | nepomuk is not akonadi ?!?!?! you are funny |
| 14:58.05 | grafrotz | grafrotz is not the pope |
| 14:58.14 | Jucato_ | yes. nepomuk is definitely not akonadi |
| 14:58.25 | grafrotz | and? |
| 14:58.46 | Jucato_ | and ... you are definitely not the pope? :) |
| 14:58.51 | grafrotz | what do you want to say me with this tautology? |
| 14:59.38 | grafrotz | the pope has a single core (only one god...) i have a dual core... |
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| 15:02.10 | vootey | .. good one |
| 15:03.17 | grafrotz | :-9 anybody has a hint because of my other problem: the alternating position on the plasmoids on my 2 displays? |
| 15:04.40 | grafrotz | ...of the plasmoids... |
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| 15:05.05 | werwolf_x_ | http://www.python.org/3kpoll |
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| 15:05.23 | grafrotz | every second time when it is wrong, i use the following command to correct it: xrandr --output DVI-D-1 --primary |
| 15:05.24 | sebas | grafrotz: make sure your primary display is always teh same? |
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| 15:05.38 | sebas | (xrandr can do that, or the Display module in system settings) |
| 15:06.09 | grafrotz | my displays are always the same - i do not move it |
| 15:06.19 | jemadux | is there a channel for kmail ? |
| 15:06.21 | grafrotz | anybody have two displays there???? |
| 15:06.28 | sebas | grafrotz: not what I'm saying |
| 15:06.33 | sebas | I have 2 displays. |
| 15:07.06 | grafrotz | what could be the reason, that every 2. time, the plasmoids are on screen 2 ? |
| 15:07.19 | grafrotz | i do not know where to search |
| 15:07.34 | sebas | grafrotz: I just told you ... |
| 15:07.47 | sebas | jemadux: #kontact iirc |
| 15:08.02 | grafrotz | i can identify the displays and "1" and "2" are always the same |
| 15:08.24 | grafrotz | yes, you told me.... because of people whoe just talk, there are such bugs... |
| 15:08.28 | grafrotz | it is a desaster |
| 15:09.23 | grafrotz | ignoring bugs is a good way |
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| 15:11.33 | sebas | grafrotz: seriously, if you're not WILLING to get helped but just rant, there's a whole world outside you can go to |
| 15:11.47 | vootey | grafrotz: why don't you fix them? |
| 15:11.49 | sebas | accusing those that are trying to help you is neither nice, nor useful |
| 15:12.31 | sebas | now chooses to not help grafrotz for exactly those reasons, but goes back to ignoring bugs ;) |
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| 15:12.49 | tertitten | :p |
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| 15:14.37 | tertitten | I remember when doing phone support for HP i got customers like grafrotz all the time, offered the solution or how to find the solution all the time, but they had so much whining to do that they rarely heard anything I said .. :p |
| 15:14.40 | grafrotz | no comment |
| 15:14.48 | grafrotz | bye you funny people |
| 15:15.04 | tertitten | jeez |
| 15:15.19 | tertitten | the calls usually ended up just like this :) |
| 15:15.49 | sebas | yeah, leaving is the best he could do, gotta admit that he got this part right :) |
| 15:16.07 | tertitten | he he |
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| 16:35.28 | Torch | EugenA: ctrl+shift+b... might only work in kate |
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| 16:41.06 | EugenA | Torch: it works, if i write something, i still write only in one line, can i also change this? |
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| 16:41.25 | EugenA | i want to write at many lines at the same time |
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| 16:45.39 | EugenA | how can i use bookmarks in kwrite? |
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| 16:54.44 | Torch | EugenA: ctrl+b to set a bookmark. alt+pgup/pgdown to jump to bookmarks. |
| 16:55.26 | EugenA | Torch: i don'T see anything if i press ctrl + b |
| 16:55.53 | Torch | EugenA: maybe that only works in kate... why don't you use kate instead of kwrite if you need advances stuff? |
| 16:56.33 | EugenA | Torch: I'm happy with kwrite, but i'd like to use bookmarks |
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| 16:57.23 | Torch | EugenA: just try kate |
| 17:00.07 | mschiff | anybody knows a good plasma applet which show filesystem information like free disk space etc on linux? |
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| 17:07.11 | alexandernst | Qt was sold today (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTE4MA) Time to make a fork? |
| 17:08.58 | pinotree | is hasn't been sold fully |
| 17:08.59 | Torch | alexandernst: no and no. |
| 17:09.32 | alexandernst | Is there a "Plan B" if thing keep going wrong? (because they, omho, are going wrong) |
| 17:10.00 | alexandernst | s/thing/things |
| 17:12.10 | alexandernst | s/omho/imho |
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| 17:15.47 | Torch | alexandernst: this might be of interest to you: http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php |
| 17:16.18 | Torch | alexandernst: i'm not trying to say it applies though. |
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| 17:17.50 | alexandernst | Torch: That's good news. But are you sure that this can't be undone? I'm afraid of some company fscking Qt... |
| 17:18.21 | Torch | alexandernst: i'm not a lawyer, but i'm sure this has been set up with the advice of one. |
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| 17:42.22 | shodan45 | are there rules, etc. for using the KDE logo on things like shirts, stickers, etc? |
| 17:43.17 | ChemBro | maybe a problem, if you sell that, without informing kde |
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| 17:43.28 | ChemBro | for yourself: shouldn't be a problem |
| 17:43.35 | ChemBro | but i can't speak for them |
| 17:44.07 | shodan45 | I want something with "KDE: Because I'm not afraid of buttons" on it :D |
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| 17:44.32 | shodan45 | yeah, for myself |
| 17:45.13 | cb400f | then prolly just go ahead |
| 17:45.27 | cb400f | but the logos etc. _are_ trademarked apparently: "KDE® and the K Desktop Environment® logo are registered trademarks of KDE e.V." |
| 17:45.58 | ChemBro | trademarks should be only a problem, if you sell those t-shirts |
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| 17:48.04 | Torch | shodan45: http://www.kde.org/stuff/clipart.php |
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| 18:06.30 | Watermind | oh man... nokia sold Qt already |
| 18:06.49 | Verge | no |
| 18:07.00 | cb400f | nope.. only the proprietary licensing stuff which they didn't care about |
| 18:07.06 | cb400f | so it's prolly a good thing for Qt |
| 18:07.35 | Watermind | oh |
| 18:07.43 | Watermind | so the team is staying with nokia? |
| 18:07.58 | Verge | Why not read some news about it.... |
| 18:07.59 | Verge | http://www.osnews.com/story/24496/Nokia_Sells_Qt_Licensing_Services_Business_to_Digia |
| 18:08.14 | Watermind | Verge: I was just typing that I should probably do that :P |
| 18:08.17 | Watermind | Verge: thanks! |
| 18:08.27 | Torch | Watermind: ...and not on slashdot ;-) |
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| 18:09.53 | pinotree | Verge: why not read? easy, better just read part of the headline and then go crying here ;) |
| 18:09.54 | Watermind | Torch: true |
| 18:10.07 | Watermind | ok ok you're right |
| 18:10.20 | Watermind | yes this makes a lot of sense actually :P |
| 18:11.11 | Watermind | they never had any interest in the licensing aspect anyway |
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| 18:12.58 | Armands_ | http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/07/nokia-and-digia-working-together |
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| 18:23.09 | Bobbybues | Good evening |
| 18:23.26 | Bobbybues | I'm having some trouble with KDE |
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| 18:24.06 | Bobbybues | when on a kde app, if I highlight some text using the keyboard (shift + arrow) and then do ctrl+C, nothing happens |
| 18:24.25 | Bobbybues | but if I highlight the same text with my mouse and do ctrl+C, it works perfectly fine |
| 18:24.49 | Bobbybues | however this only happens on kde applications, the other ones work fine |
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| 18:25.22 | Bobbybues | does anyone would know where it comes from? I've looked in the klipper's options, but I haven't found anything |
| 18:26.58 | vootey | Bobbybues: kde version? |
| 18:27.04 | Bobbybues | 4 |
| 18:27.12 | Bobbybues | you want the exact number ? |
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| 18:27.43 | Verge | Is it longer to write than that question? |
| 18:27.59 | Bobbybues | I just don't know where to find it |
| 18:28.19 | Verge | Just about every KDE app has "About KDE" option in the help menu |
| 18:28.44 | Bobbybues | then it's 4.6.00, sorry for that |
| 18:29.28 | vootey | Bobbybues: hm, I cannot reproduce it. It's working fine here (kde 4.6 on x86-gentoo) |
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| 18:29.41 | vootey | 4.6.0 |
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| 18:30.01 | Verge | it is |
| 18:30.55 | Bobbybues | I'm using archlinux 64bits if it can help |
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| 18:31.05 | Verge | I'm using it too |
| 18:31.11 | Verge | No problems here |
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| 18:33.17 | Bobbybues | do you have any idea where it could come from? I've looked in the keyboard and input options, and I haven't seen anything related to copy/paste |
| 18:33.54 | Verge | So you mean you select text with Shift+arrows and copying that piece doesn't work? |
| 18:34.08 | Bobbybues | exactly |
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| 18:34.38 | pinotree | copying where? |
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| 18:35.04 | Verge | Clipboard maybe |
| 18:35.10 | Verge | But where is he pasting that then |
| 18:35.16 | Bobbybues | well, it doesn't appear in klipper |
| 18:35.30 | Bobbybues | and if I use ctrl+v, it's not the same text that is pasted |
| 18:35.40 | Bobbybues | but the one I copied before, using the mouse |
| 18:36.33 | pinotree | in klipper there are options for selection/clipboard control |
| 18:36.46 | Bobbybues | if I use ctrl+x the selected text disappear, but I cannot paste it either |
| 18:37.12 | Bobbybues | yes, I've only the second one checked |
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| 18:37.32 | pinotree | "only selection"? |
| 18:37.51 | Bobbybues | "text selection only" |
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| 18:38.06 | pinotree | try to disable it |
| 18:38.29 | Bobbybues | I've tried, but it doesn't change anything |
| 18:38.38 | Bobbybues | at least, it doesn't solve the problem |
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| 18:43.30 | Bobbybues | do you think using a clipboard other than klipper could solve the problem? |
| 18:44.20 | Verge | Well just try |
| 18:44.28 | Verge | Easiest way to check it out |
| 18:44.44 | Verge | You don't need any clipboard manager application, Xorg has one built-in |
| 18:45.16 | Bobbybues | ohhh |
| 18:45.19 | Verge | Though dunno what the apps use by default |
| 18:45.36 | Bobbybues | you're right, if I kill klipper, it works fine :) |
| 18:45.42 | Bobbybues | that's great |
| 18:46.09 | Verge | At least you know what to fix |
| 18:46.20 | Bobbybues | thanks a lot, I thought a clipboard was necessary |
| 18:46.29 | vootey | does that mean, that klipper isn't aware of non-kde-apps' copy/pasting at all? |
| 18:47.00 | Verge | no |
| 18:47.24 | Verge | I don't really know how the clipboard is implemented |
| 18:47.27 | Verge | Nor how Klipper works |
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| 18:47.44 | Verge | But it is globa |
| 18:47.44 | Verge | l |
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| 18:48.06 | vootey | k |
| 18:48.38 | Bobbybues | well thanks again, and have a great evening (or any part of the day you're in) |
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| 18:55.24 | HandyGandy | IN the past when I've mounted a USB drive I got a popup from an entry on the system tray but not today. What was the nam,e of the entry? |
| 18:55.58 | Verge | Device notifier |
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| 18:56.42 | HandyGandy | Thanks Verge |
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| 19:06.29 | Ferrel | Anyone have issue with Dolphin remote -> remote file copy? ... I tried to copy a directory via sftp -> sftp and it created all the directories but times out on files every time |
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| 19:07.08 | Ferrel | Odly... local -> remote works just fine |
| 19:07.40 | judgen | Is it hard to make kde styles compared to lets say gtk+? considering that i have found very few good ones available at kde-look, i am am guessing yes. |
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| 19:09.54 | judgen | at the moment i am using polyester, but feels a little bit lacking. |
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| 19:46.05 | tdn | How do I create an image bin provider for the Paste Plasma widget? I have created a pastebin provider, but I cannot find any examples of imagebin providers. I have checked GHNS, there is no imagebins. |
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| 20:49.34 | matheos | Hi there :) |
| 20:49.50 | matheos | I wish to ask about KDE 4.6 :> |
| 20:50.05 | icewind | go ahead |
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| 20:50.09 | matheos | I've upgraded from 4.4.1 to 4.6 :> |
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| 20:50.56 | matheos | I've been able to edit files throught SFTP (konqueror client) with kwrite. Now after save file is not uploaded by default to server (php files). |
| 20:51.04 | matheos | Is there any switch? :> |
| 20:51.07 | matheos | In config? |
| 20:51.22 | matheos | That allows to upload files when I press "SAVE"? :> |
| 20:51.32 | matheos | not when closing files :( |
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| 20:52.18 | icewind | no idea |
| 20:53.22 | matheos | Before upgrade this was working ideal - pressing save copied file to server. I was able to edit file and save without closing it. Now this does not working :( |
| 20:54.27 | matheos | Now file after fetch is stored to /tmp directory with number on prefix of file name. |
| 20:54.31 | matheos | Any ideas? |
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| 20:59.36 | Torch | matheos: i see what you mean |
| 20:59.44 | Torch | matheos: this is indeed a weird change |
| 21:01.08 | matheos | @Torch - I've also tried to delete old .kde4 and .kde4.rc from home directory as I was thinking about config deferences. That also failed. |
| 21:01.28 | Torch | matheos: my guess would be someone thought this behaviour is desirable |
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| 21:08.39 | Torch | matheos: what distribution are you on? |
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| 21:12.51 | matheos | @Torch - Gentoo :> |
| 21:13.19 | Torch | matheos: i suggest you file a bug report about this on bugs.kde.org |
| 21:16.04 | matheos | I have workaround with it after use of sshfs, but this consumes transfers and i'm currently on cellular network connection (HSDPA/HSUPA). |
| 21:16.33 | Torch | matheos: apparently it's only kate that is affected though. at least gwenview does not exhibit this behaviour. |
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| 21:18.04 | matheos | Am I right thinking about KIO, that can fail? |
| 21:18.31 | Torch | matheos: there's an issue somewhere in the interaction between KIO and kate, it seems |
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| 21:20.45 | matheos | Ok, thanks |
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| 21:43.51 | DeeTah | hi guys |
| 21:44.33 | DeeTah | i'm currently running KDE4.4.5 on an old Kubuntu release - it's slow as hell @ 1.6ghz pentium M + 1gb ram, window decorations off |
| 21:44.53 | DeeTah | is there any point trying to move to debian with kde 4.6.1? has it sped any little up? |
| 21:47.27 | icewind | you can probably get more speedups with some config tweaking |
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| 21:47.35 | DeeTah | honestly |
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| 21:47.47 | DeeTah | it's not about "some speedups" |
| 21:48.08 | DeeTah | i need something insane to keep me at this environment |
| 21:48.13 | DeeTah | kubuntu's slow as hell |
| 21:48.18 | DeeTah | i hope the whole KDE thing isn't |
| 21:48.43 | DeeTah | i was even thinking of recompiling it with hardcore optimizations with gentoo |
| 21:49.03 | junkDawgie | to be brief, i'd say you'd notice some improvement, qt4.7 and kwin were optimized, but it won't be a big change. |
| 21:49.14 | icewind | arch seems pretty light and saves you the compiling |
| 21:49.35 | DeeTah | arch felt incomplete to me |
| 21:49.43 | DeeTah | it might be worth a second chance tho |
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| 21:50.29 | icewind | I just switched to arch from gentoo on booth of my machines after I messed up both systems :P |
| 21:50.32 | alexandre | hello guys, where can I find tutorials how to compile kde from git repositories? |
| 21:50.35 | icewind | and I'm hapy with arch so far |
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| 21:51.07 | judgen | how do i disable akonadi from running at all? |
| 21:51.38 | judgen | i have some problems with it, and i would like to try starting the desktop without it to see if it helps. |
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| 21:52.44 | icewind | alexandre: try http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started#Building_and_Running_KDE_Software_From_Source |
| 21:53.07 | alexandre | icewind: thanks |
| 21:53.59 | icewind | be aware that not all articales may have been updated for the svn->git migration |
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| 21:54.27 | BountyX | Im having some pretty serious kde issues |
| 21:54.36 | BountyX | All over the place with 4.6 =/ |
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| 21:54.48 | BountyX | Anyone want to go through them with me |
| 21:57.03 | BountyX | I will just spit them out chime in if you can help please |
| 21:57.31 | BountyX | First issue, google chrome title bar improperly intiates a restore + move on click instead of click and drag event |
| 21:57.45 | BountyX | Default panel auto hide just randomly stops working. |
| 21:58.02 | BountyX | Activities and virtual desktops lose syncronization on SOME logins |
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| 22:00.34 | *** topic/#kde is KDE SC 4.6 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 |
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| 22:01.13 | chetnick | Kgpg crashed, and wont start again.. I tried reinstalling, but still same. |
| 22:01.59 | cb400f | troubleshooting 101... what happens when you run it from console? .. try (re)moving the configuration files or try a new user |
| 22:02.06 | cb400f | konsole |
| 22:02.12 | chetnick | cb400f: did both. |
| 22:02.31 | chetnick | cb400f: running from console does not produce any output |
| 22:02.43 | chetnick | cb400f: I did remove .gnugpg |
| 22:03.33 | oneforall | darn how is it you turn off it going to black screen |
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| 22:04.49 | BountyX | Is anyone having auto hide issues with panels |
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| 22:52.45 | setuid | What's the name of the tool used to configure themes/etc. I need to configure thunar on a remote, headless machine... I thought it was ControlPanel, but that launches some Java configuration tool. |
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| 22:54.52 | Sho_ | setuid: KDE's is systemsettings, but Thunar is not a KDE app so you might be in the wrong channel. |
| 22:55.58 | setuid | Hrm, I thought it was a Qt-based file manager... ok, my bad. |
| 23:01.10 | Sho_ | setuid: Afaik Thunar is XFce's file manager, and Thunar uses GTK+ |
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| 23:02.50 | Siltaraon | Hello |
| 23:03.03 | Siltaraon | the website kdewebdev.org is down |
| 23:03.30 | Siltaraon | so is quanta.kdewebdev.org |
| 23:03.44 | Siltaraon | who to mail-alert about this ? |
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| 23:07.40 | icewind | Siltaraon: try #kde-sysadmin |
| 23:08.28 | Siltaraon | icewind: on it, thx |
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