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00:08.58tumaixI got a sensible improvement of the system by setting cleanlooks instead of oxygen.
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00:24.16milimHow do I enable crash recovery for Kate? Not autosave for saved files, but for unsaved files. For example if you start up Kate, type something for a minute, no manual save, then the computer crashes, and then Kate is able to recover what you wrote. Is it possible yet?
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00:26.53genewitchHow do i make KDE remember my desktop resolution and panel settings? it forgets on logout and reboot
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00:40.49tumaixpanel settings?
00:40.59tumaixis your ~/.kde4 folder writable?
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01:41.01RingtailedFoxhiya, guys... i'm having a problem with Konqueror and certain urls... for example, firefox renders this url properly:
01:41.02RingtailedFoxhttp://www.mobianlegends.com/cgi-sys/Count.cgi?df=mlegends.dat|display=Counter|ft=6|md=10|frgb=100;139;216|dd=A
01:41.20RingtailedFoxwhile konqueror interprets it as http://www.mobianlegends.com/cgi-sys/Count.cgi?df=mlegends.dat%7Cdisplay=Counter%7Cft=6%7Cmd=10%7Cfrgb=100;139;216%7Cdd=A (which doesn't exist)
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02:38.31ShiverQoScan someone tell me how to boot into KDE when i "switch user" doesnt work in gnome???
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04:49.40genewitch<PROTECTED>
04:53.02genewitchhow do i get KDE to save the resolution and bar settings between sessions
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05:10.54dv-is there any maintained khtml based browser that has less kde dependencies than konqueror?
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05:16.36Ferrelsafari? j/k  ;-)
05:18.35vasuviBy definition, KHTML will bring in a lot of KDE dependencies, but Arora uses the QtWebKit engine and has absolutely no other dependencies, if you don't need the deep KDE integration
05:19.04vasuvi(Well, other than the rest of Qt and all of its dependencies, naturally)
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06:35.30soeehi, guys do you know any good xml editor for kde ?
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06:36.42cb400fkate? what do you need other than syntax highlight?
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07:06.45sebyteHey all - I'm running kde-plasma-desktop (version 4).  I removed 'System Settings' from the favourites menu and now I can't find how to run it - what's the name of the 'System Settings' executable?
07:07.42Tm_Tsebyte: "systemsettings"
07:08.17sebyteTm_T: ta
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07:40.00MarcoPauhello, is it possible not to show an application in the panel when that already has an icon in the tray?
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07:51.28cb400fsure.. close it
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07:54.51soeehow can i turn off this jusmping icon when app is loading ?
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07:56.02cb400fsystemsettings -> application and system notifications -> launch feedback
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08:03.07soeecb400f, thank you
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08:26.49RichiHhow can i disable and and all pgup/pgdown/foward/back actions in konqui's url bar?
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08:28.25annmayou mean remove icons?
08:28.50RichiHannma: in case you are talking to me: no
08:29.08RichiHi mean "click into url bar, press pgdown, have random stuff loaded"
08:30.29annmaisn't that history stuff?
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08:31.26RichiHannma: yes
08:32.04RichiHannma: my new mouse which has a mouse wheel that can move left/right makes things a lot worse
08:32.16RichiHi regularly load random urls when pasting text into the location bar
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08:32.55annmabut you want to keep history?
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08:33.07RichiHannma: yes
08:33.13annmaa solution would maybe be not to have any
08:33.57RichiHyou mean to delete all history?
08:34.10RichiHthat sounds.. extreme
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08:38.31BountyXHas anyone noticed kwin preformance degrade over time?
08:38.43BountyXAs it pertains to 3d effects on the desktop
08:39.17annmaBountyX: be very much more specific here
08:39.40annmalike: what over time means? what video card? what effects?
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08:40.58RichiHannma: there has to be a way to change the keybindings, i just can't find it
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12:09.22inkbottleTwo different users on the same computer, one of them when click on any plasma panel icon, the application take age to appear. Just before that, I've done modifications to have a wide plasma panel on the left, instead of the original one on the bottom
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12:11.17inkbottleIf I launch the application using a terminal, it starts ok
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14:23.34MarcoPauhello, since upgrade to 4.6.2 I keep on getting double notification popups for every event. how do I disable only one of the two?
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14:54.01kannzowill kde contribute to con-life in Germany? (http://www.conlife.de) Nevermind, just wanted to say that there is con-life in Germany (again) (a conference).
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15:25.05grawcho_dose anyone know when will KDE 4.7 beta be available for debian intallation or what ppa is it linked to ?
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15:26.05Crendgrimhi there
15:26.32Crendgrimdid anyone else yet report problems with the current KDE 4 packages for openSUSE? (meaning, in the last days)
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15:35.41TheSimkinkdevelop is leaving a lot of zombie processes behind
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15:46.15cousin_mariohello
15:46.31cousin_marioDo you think there's a way to have a screen magnifier controlled by the mousewheel à la compiz?
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16:00.01titouI just upgraded to KDE 4.6.3 and I don't find where I can disable the bouncing icon
16:00.10titou(when I start an application)
16:00.26titoucan someone tell me where is it located now?
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16:16.03rdietertitou: systemsettings->application&system notifications->launch feedback
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16:17.31titouh yeah !!!
16:17.34titouthank you
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16:20.51matt1982hmm when I try to log on to a network folder in dolphin it asks for the password to the "Wallet" so I enter it. Then I have to just press enter 3/4 times to acknowledge pre-filled username and password prompts. Is there anyway of stopping this and just loading the folder up straight away?
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16:28.21qaovhello, how can i download whole mailbox via kmail? I have gmail + imap setup.
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16:42.59Peace-hi i would like get the same color for system tray here ... but i can't figure out how to get it ...  http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/25/plasma-desktopxo4456.jpg
16:43.19Peace-i am here on desktop theme on advanced
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17:05.28cousin_marioDo you think there's a way to have a screen magnifier controlled by the mousewheel à la compiz?
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17:06.38efeshi folks
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17:07.25efesThe certificate of mail.kde.org has expired
17:07.52efescould someone confirm?
17:09.28thiago<PROTECTED>
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17:10.15cousin_marioefes: yes, about 12 hours ago
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17:10.42thiago<PROTECTED>
17:10.47efesthiago, cousin_mario: thanks
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17:14.29efesMail sent to administrator.
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17:15.10cousin_marioHow will they be able to read it if they don't trust an expired certificate themselves?:)
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17:16.05thiagowhy would they use the web interface?
17:16.27thiagoand bugs.kde.org's cert hasn't expired
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17:16.44efesthiago: hhahahh : D Are you gonna submit it as a bug? :D
17:16.53thiagono
17:17.15cousin_mariothat would have been a clever trick, though:)
17:17.35thiagosysadmin requests are filed with the bugzilla
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17:17.45thiagoincluding that of "please get a new certificate"
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17:18.25cousin_marioPerhaps they already have it and they haven't had the time to actually copy it on the server.
17:18.29apussomeone here who can tell me how to convince phonon to switch PCM and Master since the latter doesn't change anything right now and amarok uses only Master and after every title it puts PCM to 100% (far too loud since PCM seems to be "master" now)
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17:22.22efesIs there any substitute for python IDLE?
17:25.19Sho_efes: There's an experimental, unfinished Python plugin for KDevelop 4
17:26.16efesSho_: I'm rather about interactive mode.
17:26.24efesdoes it support such one /
17:26.25efes?
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17:27.07Sho_efes: not afaik
17:27.28efesSho_: Thanks :)
17:28.10Sho_i mean it has a terminal docker you could run python / ipython / bpython in, but no tight integration like with IDLE so far
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17:28.33Sho_efes: There's also the eric3/eric4 Python IDEs written with Qt ... haven't used them
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17:28.44Sho_http://eric-ide.python-projects.org/
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17:30.21efesSho_: I have it on the hdd, but .... I even haven't known ;D
17:30.28efesthanks Sho! :)
17:30.36Sho_you're welcome :)
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17:35.09TataarujinWho is responcible for oxygen icons?
17:35.18TataarujinFor their packaging?
17:35.41cb400fyour distro
17:36.05TataarujinSource
17:36.18Tataarujinhttp://www.kde.org/info/4.6.80.php
17:36.29Tataarujinlook at size of oxygen-icons
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17:38.14TataarujinLooked? Now tell me
17:38.22TataarujinWhy it's so huge?
17:38.42TataarujinIs it consists from unpacked .raw files or what?
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17:40.09Sho_Tataarujin: it's about 50 MB larger than 4.6 ... a bit of a leap indeed but not enough to trigger my "something is broken" alarm bell, i guess?
17:40.42TataarujinImagine how "funny" it'll be for dial=up users
17:40.48Tataarujindial-up
17:41.13TataarujinBTW< why it's 50 MB larger? what was added?
17:41.21pinotreenew icons?
17:41.22rdieter*thinks* the oxygen-icons tarball includes the svg sources used to generate the installed icons too
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17:41.58TataarujinLook at gnome icons plz
17:42.00TataarujinSorry
17:42.06TataarujinBut look
17:42.12TataarujinAt faenza package
17:42.20TataarujinAt elementary package
17:42.24pinotreecan you please stop this accusing-like tone?
17:42.36TataarujinWait a minute//
17:42.37rdieterTataarujin: as it is, I believe those large sources are included for licensing purposes
17:43.45cb400fdistros will prolly split it.. at least the svgs in a separate package
17:44.07pinotreethe mini oxygen-icons build system does not install the svn icons
17:44.10pinotree*svg
17:44.39TataarujinNice idea to split it to different packages
17:45.43Tataarujin@rdieter, why not to put it somewhere else on KDE website behind "get SVG sources for icons" URL?
17:46.12rdieterarguably, (L)GPL compliance is easier if you include the sources along with the generated pieces
17:46.29Tataarujin*facepalm*
17:47.03Sho_Tataarujin: Oxygen ist the biggest and most complete free icon set ever made, so obviously its tarball it's going to be bigger than any other
17:47.08Sho_so looking at others makes no sense
17:47.33TataarujinSo u think more about licenses or about users with expensive traffic?
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17:47.51Sho_Licenses are kinda the point of open source ;)
17:47.55Tataarujin@Sho_, LOLWUT AHAHAHA!
17:48.01pinotreeyou're arguing about the size of the *source*, which is not what final users will download
17:48.02Tataarujinwrong
17:48.06rdieterand not being legal isn't really an option either
17:48.08pinotreenope
17:48.30Tataarujingoodbye guys
17:48.37pinotreefinal users won't download that tarball, but the result of what is installed by that (so only png icons)
17:48.38Tataarujinmake packages lighter
17:48.56pinotreeLOL, what a moron
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17:49.21pinotree:D
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17:51.59cousin_marioDo you think there's a way to have a screen magnifier controlled by the mousewheel à la compiz?
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18:12.57kika_how can i create on KDE an icon that when clicked will execute a bash script ?
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18:16.05efeskika_: Make a shortcut to /bin/bash scriptname
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18:16.46kika_efes: i just have the option "create launched"is it the same that shorcut?
18:17.31efeskika_: Would you like to have it in KicKstart "K" menu ?
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18:18.05kika_im on fedora 14
18:18.19efeskika_: Click the K using right key, select Menu Editor
18:18.30efeschoose a proper category
18:18.34efesand add new item
18:18.41kika_i dont havea  K
18:19.20efesSo what exacly you would like to achieve?
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18:31.04Desdenova_hi all. i need some assistance installing kturtle support for greek
18:31.21Desdenova_im on kde 4.6 with kturtle 0.8.1
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18:34.16cb400fassuming translations exists.. you should just need to install l10n-kde4 package for your lang
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18:37.23Desdenova_thanks :)
18:40.25Desdenova_@ cb400f : could you be a bit more precise about where can i find those packages? are they distro specific?
18:40.45cb400fyeah.. search in your package manager
18:40.57Desdenova_okay thank you again :)
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18:58.02delacI got a problem with dolphin and gedit while opening files over ssh. for some reason dolphin doesnt give gedit the proper file but a copy in /var/tmp/kdecache-USER/krun/. Any remedy for that?
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19:00.03jessicajamesHow can i disable workspace switching on mouse scroll?
19:00.39delacjessicajames: right click desktop -> desktop settings -> mouse
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19:01.37jessicajameswow thanks delac lol
19:01.39jessicajamesawesome
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19:08.18VergeAnyone else had problems with Nouveau and Kwin with Linux 2.6.39?
19:08.33VergeI suppose it's a Kwin problem
19:09.07VergeFor example returning from fullscreen in VLC causes the whole screen to freeze except for mouse cursor
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19:09.16VergeKeyboard also doesn't work
19:09.43VergeI played around in Gnome for a while and no problems
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19:50.07efesand whole world became violet....
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19:59.33delacI got a problem with dolphin and gedit while opening files over ssh. for some reason dolphin doesnt give gedit the proper file but a copy in /var/tmp/kdecache-USER/krun/. Any remedy for that?
20:00.53dknighthttps://bugs.archlinux.org/task/24370?opened=7516&status[0]=
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20:16.52Vergedelac: I don't think Gnome apps are compatible with KDE's SSH protocol
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20:19.11real_atehi all! ... is there any way to figure out what is using up all of the dbus-daemon ? it's maxing out one of my cores right now and want to figure out what is wrong and try and fix the cause ya know?
20:19.29Vergedbus-monitor
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20:19.55VergeNot really KDE-related
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20:21.13real_ateVerge: well i'm using kde ...
20:21.17real_ateshould have made that clear
20:21.50VergeStill not related unless it's a KDE problem
20:22.12real_ate:P well it could be seing as kde makes heavy use of dbus ...
20:22.30VergeLike anything does
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20:23.46VergeActually it's insane how much trash is broadcasted over D-Bus
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20:24.47real_atewell it doesn't seem to be anything currently broadcasting
20:25.04real_ate... there are no messages coming through dbus-monitor , not even in --system mode
20:25.15real_atehmm... bit of a strange one !
20:25.28VergeJust kill it then
20:25.47VergeIt's no way weird to have a process go bonkers
20:25.56VergeWe have Kded4 for example
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20:26.03real_ateVerge: bad advice killing dbus
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20:26.07Vergeno
20:26.12real_atethat kills *everythin*
20:26.16VergeYou gotta do what you gotta do
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20:26.36Thomas_Zahreddinhi, i'm new to kde; reported this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=273954, but don't know what to do now - any hint for me?
20:26.51VergeThomas_Zahreddin: wait
20:27.02Vergeumm
20:27.06VergeThat says it's resolved
20:27.27Thomas_ZahreddinVerge: great - how do i get the solution?
20:28.20VergeYou wait for the monthly bug fixes that you seem to be lacking anyways
20:29.07VergeThere's no intermediate releases
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20:29.46Thomas_ZahreddinVerge: thank you for your answer - how do i get the monthly bugfixes?
20:29.54Vergeapt-get upgrade
20:30.10VergeIt's up to Ubuntu devs to release them first
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20:30.29Thomas_ZahreddinVerge: thanks - so do not have to add an extra repository …
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21:19.16rindolfHi all.
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