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00:25.10genewitchhwo do i get kde to save my resolution and bar settings on reboot and login?
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00:25.42tumaixgenewitch: bar settings I can understand, but resolutions?
00:26.00tumaixbar settings not being saved means that you probably doesn't have write permission in your ~/.kde4 folder
00:26.11tumaixresolution is not kde's fault, it's x. so, dunno.
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00:31.42genewitchtumaix: really? i shall check
00:32.03genewitchtumaix: drwxr-xr-x  4 genewitch genewitch    4096 May 24 00:20 .kde4
00:33.20genewitchtumaix: the bar at the bottom stays stuck at the 1024xwhatever resolution even when i switch
00:33.42tumaixgenewitch: hm... the bar tries to go to the resolution of the screen when you start the pc
00:33.52tumaixI'm not sure if it tries to change when you change the resolution
00:34.16genewitchso what file (or chatroom do i go to) do i edit to fix the boot resolution?
00:34.33thiagoyour distribution's
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00:43.42tumaixgenewitch: usually xorg.conf
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02:49.45eddybhi
02:49.54eddybhaving some problems with xdg-open lately
02:50.06eddybI've looked into it, and it was using kfmclient
02:50.45eddybI've replaced kfmclient with kfmexec, but it's not like it's the same thing
02:54.40eddybnevermind, it's kioclient
02:56.06hagabakawhat problem?
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02:59.49BluesKajanyone notice kfilebox hogging cpu ..in my case almost 50% on kde 4.6.3...hope an alternative shows up soon , or maybe it will rub better in wine as dropbox
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03:04.18eddybhagabaka: well, let's just say xdg-open has been broken for my partially unstable version of kde4 (from the opensuse repos) for a few weeks now
03:04.28eddybbecause it uses kfmclient, which I don't have
03:04.47hagabakaI do O
03:04.49hagabaka:O
03:05.19hagabakamaybe see which package includes it?
03:06.12hagabakakde4-konqueror?
03:06.27eddybkioclient is the same as kfmclient....
03:06.43eddybmaybe it's been changed recently?
03:07.01eddyband why would it be in konqueror? if kdg-open was using it?
03:07.31hagabakaxdg-open is just a script that attempts to use your desktop environment's "open" facility
03:07.45hagabakait assumes if you have kde, you have kfmclient
03:07.58eddyband kioclient looks like a better guess on kde4
03:08.17hagabakaand I don't think kioclient is the same, it has to do with using URLs such as ftp,http etc with command line programs
03:08.30eddybit's exactly the same freaking thing
03:08.43eddybuntil now, skype and chrome weren't able to open anything
03:08.57thiago_SFOkioclient and kfmclient aren't the same
03:08.57hagabakaKIO is the thing that allows KDE programs to open remote files as if they are local
03:09.03eddybI've changed it, and it magically works
03:09.11eddybjust changed the command name
03:09.20eddybok, nevermind, you do it your way
03:09.45eddybbut I just fixed something that wasn't working (and yes, I've uninstalled my konqueror)...
03:09.56eddybseeya
03:10.25eddyb(I was saying same from the point of view of something trying to open a file using xdg-open)
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05:58.45mtkoanwhen I change screen resolution in multi-monitor KDE, its not set when i next login.. I have to use xrandr at startup to change it.  But then my desktop gets alls screwed up like this -- http://frst.org/tmp/snapshot1.png
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05:59.59axanonyou might want to explicitly set it up in your X config
06:00.06mtkoanif I don't use xrandr.. my desktop isn't not only the wrong size, but I can't see any windows, even if I open them. they are off the screen
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06:01.40mtkoanlike this? http://paste2.org/p/1438425
06:02.13axanonI believe so.. is that your current setup?
06:02.17mtkoanyes
06:02.20axanonugh
06:02.28axanonthen I'm really not to sure
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06:02.56mtkoanmaybe I'll post to linuxquestions
06:03.23axanonhave you tried googling it? I'm sure you're not the only person with that problem
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06:03.29mtkoanyea
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06:15.01mtkoanWell, figured out a workaround
06:15.25mtkoankillall plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop
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06:17.45mtkoanas long as it works.. right? :)
06:19.44axanonheheh
06:19.46axanonyup
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07:43.10ZbubenHi, I'm looking for a widget that transforms any url with a bit.ly or tinyurl.com service, any idea ?
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07:53.23jbeattyWhat's a popular KDE alternative to the gtk gnote?
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07:54.05Zbubenknote ?
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07:55.03Zbubenon my desktop, if I paste some text with middle click it creates a new note.. but I also can create one note adding a knote widget
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09:18.21randdcould someone tell me any kde based ftp client.
09:18.41cb400fdolphin or konq
09:20.02randdcb400f: i tried them but they seemed to be timing out frequently, whereas filezilla worked well...
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09:20.26cb400fprolly the server has a limit on connections
09:20.54randdcb400f: hmmm may be....
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09:36.13espereguI have the main panel on the left and added a panel on the right. When I maximize applications they take into account the left panel but not the right one. This causes part of the window to be below the panel. Anyone knows how to fix that? (so it will just decrease desktop space with the panel width?)
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09:41.10aseigoesperegu: is the panel hiding set to anything for the right one? e.g. "can cover windows"?
09:41.23aseigoesperegu: also, does the machine have only one screen?
09:41.42espereguaseigo: 2 screens
09:42.07espereguaseigo: it's set to 'always visible'
09:42.46aseigoesperegu: and the panel on the right is on the right side of the screen that is on the left?
09:43.11espereguaseigo: they both on my laptop screen
09:43.15aseigois psychic. ;P
09:43.23espereguaseigo: and the external screen is on the right
09:43.36aseigoyeah, known limitation of the reservation struts in the current window manager hints standard
09:43.40espereguaseigo: so it's actually in the middle of the workspace
09:43.55aseigoplasma-desktop is setting the struts for it, but struts in the "middle" of two screens get ignored. i hate it and have asked for it to be changed for years..
09:44.13aseigonow that we have a forward thinking kwin development team, this may eventually actually happen ;)
09:44.20espereguaseigo: k. so not much I can do right now
09:44.24espereguaseigo: k. thx
09:44.25aseigonope.
09:44.32aseigoand it's been this way for pretty much ever :(
09:49.11espereguaseigo: I noticed. cause I have this setup already for a long time. I just could not imagine that it was a kde error and thought I was doing something stupid
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09:56.56aseigoesperegu: heh.. i wish it was :)
09:57.47aseigoesperegu: over the last few years window manager devs have finally grown the balls to start really pushing things forward instead of just saying "but that's the way it's always been!" things are improving after far, far too long of stagnating with such issues..
09:58.17aseigoso i'm still annoyed by the various issues, but finally have reason to hope (particularly as some other similar annoyances have been addressed now :)
09:59.22espereguaseigo: good to know. I have lived with it throughout the 4.X series so far so I can manage to wait a few more ;-)
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10:21.14cojackkde have some behavior for plug n play?
10:21.33cojacklike avahi (zeroconf) for lan
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10:37.17brotcojack: yep
10:37.26brotkde has avahi support
10:39.18cojackhow it's called this plugin in system tray "Information on new devices" ?
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10:42.06brotcojack: thats a plasmoid
10:42.51cojackbrot: yeap, but I need them source to add something ;> so I need to know where to search ;)
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11:08.04Peace-anyone knows how to  get panels ,on javascript , with " window can cover " ??
11:08.14aljosai'm using v4.6.3 and i can't disable touchpad in settings anymore. any idea howto disable touchpad?
11:08.48Peace-aljosa: systemsettings input device ==>
11:08.51Peace-doens't work ?
11:11.08aljosaPeace-:  there is no disable option anymore, was in previous versions.
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11:12.06aljosai'm in "System Settings > Input Devices > Touchpad"
11:12.29Peace-aljosa: bug :)
11:12.54Peace-aljosa: maybe downgrading the systemsetting module you could fix
11:12.58Peace-*maybe*
11:13.32aljosaPeace-: thanks, i'll try to find some cli app that disables it
11:13.52aljosajoin #python
11:14.15Peace-aljosa: sudo apt-get install kde-config-touchpad  it's that
11:14.26Peace-aljosa: i have kubunt right now
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11:20.37aljosaPeace-: i have it installed, is shown in system settings but still don't have option to disable it
11:21.40Peace-aljosa: which distro ?
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11:22.41cojackaljosa: can you disable it by fn keys?
11:22.42cousin_mariohello
11:22.51aljosakubuntu 11.04, lost it after upgrade from 10.10
11:23.07aljosai've disabled it with synclient from shell
11:23.43Peace-aljosa: ok , downgrade that package
11:24.16Peace-aljosa: ls  /var/cache/apt/archives  | grep kde-config
11:26.34cousin_marioIs there a livecd to test 4.7ß1 with?
11:26.37aljosamy apt cache is empty, current kde-config-touchpad  version is 0.5.3-0ubuntu1
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11:27.54annmacousin_mario: I think not yet
11:28.14annmanot sure if there are live CDs with betas to be honest
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11:29.00cousin_marioannma: any distro you would recommend to use then?
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11:29.34annmadistro in general?
11:29.54annmato test 4.7?
11:29.57annmaor what
11:30.24annma4.7 beta 1 is for people to test it, not a production-ready release
11:30.48annmaask your distribution if they provide packages for it
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11:34.53dAnjouhi, is it possible to tell yakuake that it should open *all* links in my  default browser?
11:35.11dAnjoui don't want it to open images in an image viewer
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11:37.17cousin_marioannma: I know, I was wondering if there was a recommended one for such purpose.
11:37.43annmano
11:37.57annmarecommanded is that you don't erase your stable installation
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12:31.31dAnjouhi, is it possible to tell yakuake that it should open *all* links in my  default browser?
12:31.37dAnjoui don't want it to open images in an image viewer
12:32.05dAnjoudistro is ubuntu (not kubuntu) 11.04 with gnome 2
12:32.09juank_pradadAnjou: set your default picture viewer as your browser
12:32.44dAnjoujuank_prada: that's really not a good solution
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12:33.21dAnjouyakuake should not try to be more intelligent than me
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12:35.12juank_pradathen open it like ' firefox http://yourPicUrlHere.com'
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12:38.39dAnjoujuank_prada: not a good solution either
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12:47.07juank_pradadAnjou: i don't know then
12:47.40dAnjouthanks anyway
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12:51.54xxzzy0, i dont get transparency in kde bottom panel with any of the desktop themes, i am using emulated nvidia drv on freebsd-8.2-p1 amd64
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12:52.48xxzzcan someone please help me fix this
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12:53.26xxzzon 4.6.2 i used to get that with air translucenent background but with .3 i cant get it
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12:57.08cb400fxxzz: do you get any desktop effects? ... sounds like a problem with compositing
12:57.29xxzzcb400f: yeah all desktop cube and stuff works well
12:58.12cb400fok, that's weird
12:58.16xxzzcompositing as in, all this stuff should work out of the box isnt it
12:59.21cb400fyep
12:59.30xxzzcompisiting is set to opengl
12:59.37cb400fshould be impossible to turn off transparent panel even
12:59.40xxzzi dont want to get xrander or whatever that is
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13:00.19xxzzdisable functionality checks doesnt make any difference
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15:28.27Sputhey... in 4.7-beta1, my 4 desktops have been arranged horizontally rather than in a square, like they used to
15:28.33Sputand I can't find any option to rearrange them
15:28.52Sputany hints how to fix that?
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15:29.23Sho_the pager and the desktop grid effect both have options for number of rows iirc
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15:35.07xxzzi dont see those ops in 4.6.3 either
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15:36.23Sho_xxzz: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/27/plasma-desktopIo1760.jpg http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/27/plasma-desktopvq1760.jpg
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15:38.33xxzzokay let me check, my tinderbox is eating my cpu & ram atm
15:39.26xxzzbtw how to keep different windows open on different virtual desktops instead of listing all open windows in small panel that i have right now
15:39.57Sho_go into the task manager settings and enable "Only show tasks from the current desktop"
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15:45.23rad01_Question for you folks.  Which file does kde-kile, the latex editor use to set colors.  I have a dark theme and I can't see the left menu or file tabs, because they are charcoal on black.  I have played with the settings font&colors for the past two days, but no luck.
15:45.51rad01_I figured I would play with the config files to see if that might solve the problem.
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15:51.28aseigorad01_: usually that's because the application _doesn't_ use config files for its colours :)
15:51.42aseigorad01_: usually it's because they have colours hardcoded in the c++
15:52.01rad01_hmm, so can I change the header file or something.
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16:27.05archtangenthey
16:27.38archtangenthow well does KDE4 work over VNC?
16:27.50archtangentor does it not matter
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16:28.38VergeI don't think the DE or WM affects VNC the slightest bit
16:28.45Sho_archtangent: about as well as anything else, VNC is a pretty simple protocol so there's not much to it from the DE side
16:28.45archtangenta'ight
16:28.51archtangentthanks
16:29.05Sho_you might want to config themes that compress well
16:29.32archtangentI am going to be using arch on my phone via vnc, but of course I want it to look nice
16:30.24archtangentIMO kde4 has one of the better looking interfaces defaulted
16:30.34Sho_no objections :)
16:30.37VergeI don't like it
16:30.44archtangentlol
16:31.08thiago_MUCit's crappy no matter what UI you use
16:31.22archtangentwhat is?
16:31.27thiago_MUCbut given that VNC tries to do aggressive image compression, KDE with gradients and effects might be hard to get good
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16:31.39thiago_MUCif you use a very, very plain theme and no effects, it might be acceptable
16:31.40archtangentah
16:31.50Sho_that's what I meant with [18:30] <Sho_> you might want to config themes that compress well
16:31.52archtangentI like using black
16:32.19archtangentblack usually makes things nice and simple
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16:36.16thiago_MUCblack on black compresses very well
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17:01.57ttttttttttWhich distro contributes the most to the kde community?
17:02.12ttttttttttIs there some way to measure this my code commits?
17:04.17thiago_MUCI guess OpenSUSE
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17:08.20Daskreechtttttttttt: Redhat!! :-D
17:08.38ttttttttttI thought it was Red Hat, but I think they are pushing GNOME.
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17:11.08peace2__kde =>unitified http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/27/UNity.gif
17:11.56ttttttttttpeace that's very nice
17:12.08ttttttttttpeace2__: did you do that?
17:12.12peace2__yes
17:12.18ZombieI'm still angry KDE does not support LDAP.
17:12.19peace2__javascript
17:14.45Zombiepeace2__: So since Samba 4.0 is coming out real soon, any chance that KDE will do an about face on LDAP?
17:15.02peace2__i dunno :D
17:16.08ZombieI want to skin the guys alive who shot it down the first time.
17:16.36Sho_not this again
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17:18.10ZombieI have a feeling I'm going to be bitter about LDAP for a while.
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17:22.33ttttttttttOpenSUSE are also big contributors to the .NET/Mono environment too
17:23.15cb400fbetter check up on latest development in that area
17:23.26Sho_Novell != openSUSE
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17:56.54Aluminwhat "powers" the little popup thing from K3b and Amarok (and maybe other stuff) that says "hey, I want to install some other packages for more functionality!"
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17:57.14Aluminthe initial problem is that the alert never seems to go away, even when I tell it to install whatever
17:57.31Aluminbut I was thinking, as a workaround, I could just manually install whatever packages it wants
17:57.47Aluminbut I don't see anywhere where I can get the update notifier to actually tell me which packages it wants to install
17:57.53Aluminit just says "K3B CD Codecs"
17:58.14ChemBroTronyou use ubuntu, don't you?
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18:02.38Aluminyup...Kubuntu, to be precise
18:03.09ChemBroTronand this a kubuntu only problem
18:03.21ChemBroTronkde does not do this
18:03.30Aluminah
18:03.39AluminKDE doesn't do the notifier, or it doesn't have this problem?
18:03.58ChemBroTronkde doesn't want you to install the codecs
18:04.12Aluminah
18:04.26Aluminokey doke, thanks for the info
18:04.31ChemBroTronnp
18:04.59ChemBroTronso better ask in a kubuntu channel, they might have the answer
18:05.11Aluminyeah, I just did :)
18:05.48ChemBroTron:)
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18:22.39jacobwhullo, i've a problem with connecting to a hidden wireless network..
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18:23.58jacobwhow? the nm dialogue has field to type a hidden SSID but doesn't respond when i press enter
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18:25.50wm5I updated some kde parts, and now starting konqueror and going to a website shows "Unexpected Program Termination" in the browser window
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18:26.02wm5why is KDE such a... I mean what did I do wrong?
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18:38.17Vergewm5: Update all, not just parts
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18:39.03scoopexi'm running kde 4.6.2 /kubuntu 11.04..after logging in, all my users get a error messages that some mimetypes cannot be loaded (i.e. x-application) ...itś not possible to click on icons to launch applications....what can i do? (deleting ~/.kde does not help...)
18:39.03roadfishin "top", I see that "kded4" is running at over 90% CPU ... basically saturating the system. How do I fix this problem? I have an older PC from 2005 and everything was running find in Hardy Kubuntu but now is sluggish in Natty Kubuntu.
18:39.20roadfishWhat could cause "kded4" to be using up so much CPU?
18:39.24wm5Verge: doesn't help
18:39.28Vergeroadfish: kill i
18:39.29Verget
18:39.39VergeIt's just stuck
18:39.42VergeFor no apparent reason
18:39.44Vergeit does that
18:40.01VergeBut my experiences with KDE 4.7 beta tell that it's fixed in the upcoming release
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18:42.37roadfishVerge: thanks ... that seems to being helping
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18:45.58wm5anyone knows how in KDE3 you can prevent artsd from being started?
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18:48.31puchuhi
18:48.46puchui installed kde 4.6.80 but i now i cant mount usb disks anymore
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18:55.58peace2__Daskreech: what?
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18:58.46peace2__Daskreech: if you mean panels 2 sec
18:58.48peace2__Daskreech: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/05/27/unity-kde-another-test/
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19:26.01JoeyAIn KDE 4.6.2 (I'm playing around with it on the Fedora 15 KDE spin), is there a way to open Dolphin with root access?
19:26.24peace2__kdesudo dolphin ?
19:26.30peace2__here on kubuntu
19:26.47JoeyAkdesu dolphin worked.
19:27.06peace2__JoeyA: there is a service menu btw
19:27.10peace2__i guess root action
19:27.13peace2__something like taht
19:27.37JoeyAHmm, there's Krusader - root mode, but not Dolphin -root mode
19:27.44JoeyAWhere's the service menu?
19:27.52JoeyAMaybe it's only in Kubuntu?
19:28.03peace2__nope
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19:28.33peace2__JoeyA: dolphin settings servcice http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/27/plasma-desktopwc1745.jpg
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20:13.47roadfishI am running mplayer on a new Ubuntu install but mplayer crashes KDE. mplayer had worked on this PC in my previous Ubuntu install. I have been looking at /var/log/kdm.log but the Segmentation fault message doesn't give much of a clue. Any tips on how I should proceed in debugging this?
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20:31.45rdieter_workroadfish: most likely a video driver issue
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20:34.47roadfishrdieter_work: yeah, that makes sense. I was having trouble just getting into KDE until I set this in xorg.conf: Option "AIGLX" "off"
20:35.18roadfishI guess I should search on the video chipset on my PC motherboard
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20:35.56rdieter_workthat, and find more how/why X is crashing (which really doesn't have much to do with kde particularly)
20:37.58roadfish/var/log/kdm.log says there is a Segmentation fault ... and I've started searching on the error but the error isn't too descriptive
20:38.26roadfishah, I just notices one thing in the backtrace: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/openchrome_drv.so
20:38.38roadfishso it really does look like a video driver issue
20:39.17cb400fopenchrome? ... eww... not linux friendly
20:39.37cb400fis it trying to use compositing/desktop effects on that stuff?
20:39.56rdieter_workroadfish: my condolences, openchrome is notoriously not good. :(
20:40.26roadfishnot sure ... at one point KDE said that my system is "too slow" and turned off various effects.
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20:40.56roadfishwell I _do_ have this PC working on my old Hardy Kubuntu setup ... I'm just upgrading to Natty Kubuntu. So the hardware _will_ work.
20:41.43cb400falt+f2 -> compositing ... make sure it's turned off
20:41.55roadfishBut I probably haven't duplicated something needed during my Hardy setup (which I don't remember anymore). And some of then new funky KDE in Natty could be tripping me up too.
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20:42.17cb400fyou can't rule out that the driver is bitrotting in newer xorg
20:42.27cb400for just has regressions
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20:42.51roadfishwhich I guess makes debugging really brutal
20:43.31roadfishthe cost of trying to upgrade a 5 year old PC.
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20:43.48cb400fmine is 7 years old :-)
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20:44.11cb400fthe problem is getting non-widespread hardware
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20:44.33cb400fwith linux you generally have more luck, the more common the hardware is
20:44.52cb400fand those funky gfxcards are not very common (fortunately)
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20:45.36roadfishyes, I bought a bottom-end PC back then. And I don't want to buy another PC because I don't like the idea of generating ewaste. This PC has been serving me fine for the past 5 yeras.
20:45.39cb400fyou could prolly get some mainstream gfxcard and put in the machine
20:46.16cb400fif you know some gamer he'll have 5 old gfxcards lying around in a box somewhere :-)
20:46.40BBommaritoQuick question: KDE 4.6.2 (I believe): Is there a way to maintain what virtual desktop an activity is on? Like, if I switch activites, and switch to say desktop 3, then swap to another activity, it's on desktop 3. Can I make it so Activity A stays on Desktop 1, and Activity B is on Desktop 2?
20:46.55cb400f... of course nvidia, ati and intel gfx drivers are far from perfect either :-/
20:48.25cb400fBBommarito: right click pager -> pager settings -> virtual desktop -> different set of widgets on each desktop
20:48.44cb400f.. that way each virtual desktop is technically a different activity
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20:50.22BBommaritocb400f: Didn't help, I don't think I explained it well enough. If you are on an activity on say desktop 2 (In the activity) and jump to another activity, it stays on desktop 2, which in some cases is a blank desktop.
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20:53.35dekomoteHi all. Quick question (I'm a recent KDE convert) Kaffeine nor Dragonplayer play files thru smb://
20:53.45dekomoteis there some package i'm ommiting?
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20:53.52dekomoteor this is a normal behavior
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20:54.50BBommaritoAside from that behavior, however, I am really loving KDE. Been a Gnome user for...quite awhile now but KDE is really winning me over.
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20:56.26dekomotethat's the case with me too.. just want to make sure i'm doing things right
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20:58.54cb400fdekomote: works for me.. are you using dolphin to go to the smb share?
20:59.07dekomotecb400f: yes
20:59.13dekomoteArch linux to be exact
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21:00.56dekomoteCannot find input plugin for MRL "smb://thor/Storage/...
21:01.05dekomotethis is the error message Kaffeine is giving me
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21:10.20dekomotealso might be relevant, smb share is private
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21:29.26markitkde 4.6.3, kubuntu distro,  mad with akonadi thaat wasted 140MB for each user (I've 300) of space even if I don't use it.
21:29.59markitI've tried to purge it but removes almost all kde  (at least plasma)
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21:30.21BBommaritomarkit: What is Akondai?
21:30.28markitakonadi
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21:31.16BBommaritoAh, I see what it is.
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22:04.07dziaduhey
22:04.28dziaduwhy does in CMakeLists.txt for Nepomuk the install part is commented? then there is no install target for Makefile
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