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00:04.25JoeyADoes konsole support numbering line output?
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00:09.49JoeyAmeh, clearing scrollback and watching the scroll bar get smaller did what I needed.
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00:39.19RingtailedFoxso, yeah... still having icon troubles... getting annoyed with KDE
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01:09.34JackWinterRingtailedFox: join the club.  much as i'm pleased as punch with kde, today i've had a real shit day with upgrading kde-pim and akonadi going bonkers
01:09.51RingtailedFox*nods*
01:10.26RingtailedFoxas i said earlier, i got KDE's issues with konqueror and klipper fixed, but now half my .desktop files have their icons missing.... i fear i may have to switch to something like lxde
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01:14.09RingtailedFoxwhy has KDE been messing up lately?
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01:24.22JackWinterdon't know.  suppose that's in the nature of things.  i don't have any of the problems you mention.  maybe your distro messing something up..?
01:24.47RingtailedFoxi wouldn't be surprised
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03:57.36ShirakawasunaIs KDE 4.7 allowing panels to use arbitrarily large icon sizes?  I'm having trouble figuring out whether this is true (it gets annoying being stuck w/ 48x48 w/ a 120 DPI monitor)
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03:58.09ArdonikShirakawasuna: It allows SVG icons, so I don't see why not?
03:58.49ArdonikI think the max bitmapped icon size I've seen in any theme was 128x128, though I could easily be mistaken, and KDE will no doubt support larger.
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03:59.40maazuc'ya
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04:00.11ShirakawasunaArdonik: well... KDE 4.6.5 sure doesn't let me use anything larger w/ the panel (I've been waiting for this functionality since KDE 3, lol)
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04:00.45Shirakawasunafunnily enough, it allows me to resize the panel to get 48x48 icons, but if I make the panel any larger the icons decide to be 32x32...
04:00.56ArdonikWhat about SVG icons?
04:01.27Shirakawasunathis icon theme has full svg icon support
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04:02.26ArdonikQuite odd.  I've used larger icon sizes than that, though generally not in the panel.
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04:02.47Shirakawasunathe desktop seems to be fine w/ large icons
04:02.49Shirakawasunabut not panels
04:04.51ArdonikShirakawasuna: Wow, it seems that you're right!
04:05.01ArdonikWhen I scale the panel, the icons only grow up to a certain point.
04:05.05Shirakawasunayup
04:05.21ArdonikNot what I expected.  Quite interesting.
04:05.32Shirakawasunait's why I always get an 'itch' to find a decent dock app, since I'm stuck w/ 48x48 using KDE's panel
04:05.43ArdonikI'm using KDE 4.4.5 myself.
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04:35.35leo_rockwayfor some reason kmail2 stopped sending my emails. They just get queued. How can I troubleshoot this? I'm not getting any error, notification or anything.
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04:39.33flaregunerHello all. I have very big troubles with KDEPIM 4.6.1 in my ArchLinux, I think it not distro-specific problem
04:40.04flaregunerSince upgrade from old KDEPIM version (<4.6) I can't run akonadi
04:40.22flaregunerAnd lost kmail, kbookmarks and some other applications
04:40.34flaregunerKmail is running, but I cannot enter password field
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04:40.43flaregunerThis is bug, right?
04:40.53flaregunerCan anyone try help me?
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04:42.16flaregunerI like KDE, but I hate not KISS things, like kdepim...
04:43.52leo_rockwayflareguner: I'm having problems with KDEPIM as well.
04:44.04leo_rockwayyesterday I was able to send emails, today I can't.
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05:01.20flaregunerSad :(
05:01.39flaregunerI really hate some parts of kde platform...
05:02.18flaregunerAs user and as developer
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05:38.54arrummzenHi, I'm using KDE 4. I hate it when applications decide to change the screen resolution or go fullscreen without my consent. Is there a way I can configure KDE to disallow that?
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06:47.30ArchRocksMy panel is at the bottom of the screen.... Kmenu and everything eles that opens from the panel.. is opening at the top of the screen....Kde 4.7 RC1
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08:21.33Asemhello, i have problem with kmail 2, i have an imap gmail and dont want include ALL MAIL folder on interval mail checks coz that option was gone, is there an alternative?
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09:17.04qaovhello, someone with experience with klinkchecker? I don`t know how to exlude links with regular expressions.
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09:42.33swkhanyou all make awesome software =)
09:43.23swkhani hate using anything other than kde. especially okular. sometimes it's not easy to install software on computers. and it's always easier for me to have a djvu to show someone in okular =)
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09:57.14tar-gzHi! Somebody try KDE in windows?
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10:08.47Ardoniktar-gz: I did, years ago.  I doubt my experience is still relevant!
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10:56.05tswrHello! I have the following problem. sudo hibernate-ram and sudo hibernate work, but sleep and hibernate buttons from the kde menu don't. What can be wrong?
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10:58.37tswrhm... looks like I lack powerdevil
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11:56.11phoenixlzxhttp://phoenixlzx.wordpress.com/2011/07/10/71/
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12:54.23cdunlaphello Everyone.
12:54.57cdunlapIs it possible that the gnome power settings would, or could, override the kde power settings?  I am using KDE4.6.4 on ubuntu 11.04
12:57.41cdunlapmy laptop sleeps/hibernates and I can't get it back.  I have shut off suspend session in all of my power profiles under KDE.
12:57.48cdunlapThank you for any help you can offer
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12:59.27rindolfHi all.
12:59.43rindolfOn Mageia Cauldron, Plasma crashes when I try to add a system tray to a panel.
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13:08.33TCWKDE and Gnome installed, using KDE right now. Download window of iceweasel, rightclick on a file already downloaded, open the location it is stored in a folderview... nautilus opens... where do I change that to dolphin?
13:09.03TCWas it seems in icewesel settings there is no value for "folder" in the preferred applications settings...
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13:19.27LearnerofskillsHello I think I discovered a bug
13:20.46Learnerofskillswhen you are in the "search and launch" layout, some widgets wont move.
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13:31.23MitlikI am on gentoo using KDE 4.6.3 (with Qt 4.7.2) and I am having issues with dolphin, and any open/save as thing that accesses the directory structure, being slow.
13:32.12MitlikI have tried revdep-rebuild, no dependency issues are found.
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13:33.47MitlikThis seems to have happened after I updated after the kdeprefix removal in the portage system, I however never used the kdeprefix USE flag
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14:29.30Xeno_Hi a quick question, against which compmonent should I report a bug concerning plasma theme cache not being updated properly after kwin compositing suspend/resume?
14:29.44Xeno_SHould it be kwin or plasma-general?
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14:30.01mgraesslinplasma, but I am very sure that this is a known issue
14:31.13Xeno_ok, a bit annoying when I have tro manually remove cache file everytime compositing is suspended
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14:36.01Xeno_BTW is there some mechanism to drop unsed pixmaps from cache? While I worked on plasma theme in inkscape I've run into some excesivve memory usage problems
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14:37.23Xeno_Initiially on 3GB machine about 1.2 Gb was used (program and documents already loaded) after about 2 hours of copy/paste reotate limited set of objects memory usage increased twice to 2.4 GB
14:39.00Xeno_and system started to swap badly, but inkscape memory usage wasn't that much giher
14:39.12Xeno_*higher
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14:41.52Xeno_Mostly it was X serwer from 50-60MB to ~300, but it still doesn't cover ~1.2GB of increased ram usage
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15:36.41bughunter2Hi, is it possible to get a "normal" busy cursor, like in gnome/xfce, instead of the bouncing cursor? The passive busy cursor setting is not what I want, I want the second cursor that's shown in the 'Cursor Theme' settings, next to the normal pointer cursor
15:39.40shtrbHi , after upgrade to 4.6.4 from 4.6.1  - if someone getting 100% cpu usage for akonadi server . the fix is is to remove start akonadi console (wait 15-20 minutes until it will load) and remove akonadi_maildir akonadi_mbox and maildispather (no need to remove all config directory as it advised)
15:40.06shtrboops part of the msg was truncated
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15:40.40shtrbHi , after upgrade to 4.6.4 from 4.6.1  - if someone getting 100% cpu usage for akonadi server . the fix is  ...
15:41.23swerveany way to change the default "open with" option in dolphin?
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16:01.17ripthejackerhow do i restart kde from console
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16:11.19shtrbripthejacker , you can restart kdm if you wish (it will restart all kde apps)
16:11.44ripthejackeri dont know what i have to restart
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16:11.54shtrbdist ?
16:11.58ripthejackerlike in windows we have ctrl+alt+del
16:12.04ripthejackermandriva
16:12.09shtrbmmm ...
16:12.19ripthejackerctrl+esc doesnt bring anything
16:12.20shtrbctrl + alt + backspace will restart the X
16:13.03ripthejackerok i will try that next time it happens
16:13.13ripthejackerall these times i have restarted my pc
16:13.19shtrbgo to tty0-5 and do /etc/init.d/kdm restart
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16:13.44ripthejackershtrb: ok
16:13.57shtrbit will kill the current instance of K but it will not fix configuration problems
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16:15.01juan_olivierHey
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16:25.38Tatshshtrb, not since X a while ago
16:26.14Tatshyou need to setup ctrl+alt+backspace in X configuration
16:27.41shtrbTatsh , I'll guess then he can use  alt + sysrq + k
16:29.23Tatshseems a bit odd though all around
16:29.33Tatsha way to exit, even when the locked screen saver is on
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16:30.34monocodeAnyone experiencing KDE freezes on NVIDIA drivers when you try to resize Konsole app ?
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16:32.18monocodeI have KDE 4.6.5 on Kubuntu 64 bit and when I try to resize Konsole it freezes my desktop environment and the user interface does not accept any input from keyboard anymore all I can do is restart from the button
16:33.04monocodei hate nvidia! dammit!
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16:33.42Tatshmonocode, nope
16:33.44Tatshwhat card do you hvae
16:33.45Tatshwhat version
16:33.52Tatshvideo[10de:0e23 @ ATI Technologies Inc RX780/RX790 Chipset Host Bridge]
16:33.55Tatshnot my card
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16:34.38Tatsh05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 0e23 (rev a1)
16:34.52Tatshusing 275.09.07 as driver
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16:35.21Tatshthis is the geforce gtx 460
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16:49.26monocodeTatsh: nvm I think I found the cause...https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/760632
16:49.58Tatshbinary drivers have bugs
16:50.03Tatshbut i'd rather this
16:50.20Tatsheverything works because of nvidia's gl implementation
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16:55.50monocodeTatsh: updating the drivers to 275.09.07 solved the problem
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17:05.21TanteIngehallo amarok problem
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17:05.34TanteIngeExecutable: amarok PID: 25337 Signal: Segmentation fault (11)
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17:07.00swkhanTanteInge: do you have any more information? if it's a problem with amarok, then obviously the executable is amarok. the PID was assigned by your computer and will likely change next time even you start amarok. any more debugging output past segmentation fault can probably actually help developers solve the problem
17:07.06monocodeAnyone using TweetDeck (an Adobe AIR app) in KDE?
17:08.29TanteIngeno install scripts Executable: amarok PID: 25337 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) close amarok (restart)
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17:24.24BajKcan I purge the strigi file index and make it re-index all the locations?
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18:16.14slackmeisterSO what distro do you guys use?
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18:22.28TCWKDE does not provide anything for XDG_DATA_DIRS?
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18:29.01pinotreeTCW: why it should?
18:30.51TCWpinotree, dunno... Gnome does... I try to figure out why icewesel on KDE opens *nautilus* to show a folder, that's all :)
18:31.41pinotreethat has nothing to do with that envvar
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18:32.16TCWpinotree, I am clueless, so I pick in every hole I can see...
18:32.44pinotreethen just ask the straight issue, not random questions...
18:32.52pinotreesystemsettings → default applications → file manager - what do you have set there?
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18:33.42TCWpinotree, I did tell the EXACT problem hours ago on varois channles (including distro and kde specific) after no one replied I went on my own...
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18:33.52TCWpinotree, dolphin... was teh first corner I checked
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18:35.15TCW15:08:33 <TCW> KDE and Gnome installed, using KDE right now. Download window of iceweasel, rightclick on a file already downloaded, open the location it is stored in a folderview... nautilus opens... where do I change that to dolphin? <- ok, it was yesterday and not a few hours ago :)
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18:36.00TCWpinotree, if you have any more ideas, I'd really appreciate it! :)
18:36.01pinotreei guess that's more an iceweasel question, than a kde one
18:36.38pinotreegiven that iceweasel is not a kde application, we have no control on what it does, especially if it can not integrate in the DE
18:36.46Zbubenthis question is more iceweasel related, you'll find this in the "applications" settings of iceweasel. just delete the good line and that'll be fine.
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18:37.08TCWZbuben, there is no setting for "folder" here
18:37.29Zbubentry to find a "file" one or large spectrum like this
18:37.31pinotreeneither inode/directory?
18:37.51TCWpinotree, nope
18:38.13pinotreethen i suggest a distro/iceweasel help channel
18:38.33TCWentered in the search field file, fold, dir, inode... nothing is shown
18:39.21Zbubensorry, I'm afraid we can't help on this..
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18:44.03TCWZbuben, pinotree, but maybe with a truely KDE related one? ;) another issue here... printer settings does not work, shows just an error...
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18:45.54ZbubenTCW: which one ?
18:45.56TCWkcmhttp://paste.debian.net/122494/ <- the error
18:46.01TCWhttp://paste.debian.net/122494/ <- the error
18:47.22Zbubensame thing when you try to launch it from menu ?
18:47.32TCWZbuben, yes
18:47.54TCWZbuben, wanna have a screenshot as well` But it shows basically the same...
18:48.08TCWs/`/?/
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18:49.36Zbubenthis seems to be related to kdebindings, as I can read here : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253757
18:49.48Zbubenseems fixed with PyQT 4.8
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18:52.47TCWZbuben, python-qt4 == Installed: 4.8.3-2+b1
18:53.18Zbubenhuhu, feels like regression is in the air :p
18:54.34Zbubenwhat distro are you using ?
18:54.42TCWZbuben, Debian sid
18:55.35TCWZbuben, and yes... I will report that bug there as well... but I hope to get some details first to add to that bugreport
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18:56.36Zbubenhttp://goo.gl/SDfRF I'm looking trough these results to find some info ;)
18:57.22ZbubenI found an interresting post from a developper: "every pyqt release we have to rebuild kdebindings. I did this (kdebindings 4.5.2-5, or 4.5.2-6 if you are using [testing]), but probably there is some bug with the KCModule and PyQt 4.7.7."
18:59.35TCWZbuben, I googled too... and I got the impression KDE is broken there with EVERY release :)
18:59.58ZbubenTCW: yep, this problem is encountered sometimes
19:00.02Zbubenhere, it works :)
19:00.06Zbuben( slackware current )
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19:00.13Zbubenbut the problem have occured by the past.
19:00.18Zbubenhm, has*.
19:00.27TCWZbuben, so who is to blame? KDE or the distro?
19:00.41ZbubenI'd rather say, the distro
19:02.15Zbubenbut, It's a supposition, maybe there's really a kde problem behind your bug, the similarity with old issues is noticeable.
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19:03.12nyuszika7hduh
19:03.28nyuszika7hI wanted to install minecraft... and I get tons of KDE updates
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19:28.29nyuszika7hHi all, do you see this?
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19:29.10TCWnyuszika7h, we can read you... yes
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19:51.01dafthi guys, whats a good way to get the latest KDE on a stable Debian box?
19:51.43Ardonikdaft: I can only answer that question for my own distro (Mandriva), which has a 'task-kde' package that contains their latest packaged version.
19:51.59ArdonikIt's not necessarily the freshest thing out there, but it's rock-solid.
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19:52.52ArdonikMaybe Debian has some similar meta-task (though I thought Debian wasn't well-known for packaging the latest stuff)?
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19:54.30markandhi
19:55.02markandhttp://www.kde.org/applications/games/ bovo is missing its icon (cosmetic issue)
19:55.59dafti got KDE 4.4.5
19:56.45Ardonikdaft: That's the version I have also.
19:58.48Ardonikmarkand: Not sure who the webmaster for kde.org is, but if they're anywhere on FreeNode, they're here!
19:59.02markand:)
20:00.38daftHmz, it is in unstable allready.
20:01.10Ardonikmarkand: Actually, it says at the bottom of that page that you can send an e-mail to kde-webmaster@kde.org.  Maybe you should try that, too?
20:01.18markandyes
20:01.19markandthanks
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20:43.19gonzo0Phi, does somebody know, how to change the focus to another window without raising it? iam using kde 4.6.3
20:44.09rindolfgonzo0P: click the window.
20:44.19rindolfgonzo0P: or set up "focus follows mouse".
20:44.26rindolfgonzo0P: or use Alt+TAb
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20:46.55gonzo0P@rindolf: the problem is that the window always comes to front, i just want the focus, no raise
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20:49.29gonzo0Pah its working thanks
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22:44.27Ilu-babehttp://kaffeine.kde.org/?q=support
22:44.32Gentoochildhello. Where can I see what DPI value konqueror is using? I'm building a website that uses "em" values for font size and both Firefox and Rekonq show the same size. But Konqueror shows them way bigger
22:44.58daviProblem: kaffeine 1.0 show tuned on green but do not add the channel to the "Scan results" listing.
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22:45.12Gentoochildmy display has 117dpi physically, I set the xserver to 120 DPI and KDE's font settings to use system value.
22:45.16davi(thanks looking)
22:45.22BoomerBileanyone else having problems with lancelot?
22:45.37Gentoochildcome to think of it, firefox shows the fonts minimally bigger than Rekonq
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22:47.19BoomerBileevery time I install a program... in wine, or in linux... lancelot refuses to show me my applications menu
22:47.38BoomerBileall I get to see are my favorites or any of the other categories on the left... no programs menu
22:47.53BoomerBilere-creatable always
22:48.01BoomerBilelog out and back in seems to be the only fix
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23:21.08GentoochildBoomerBile: you should be able to fix this by running kbuildsycoca4
23:21.21Gentoochildwhy it's not run automatically I can't tell though
23:21.39Gentoochildor perhaps that does go wrong and hence you are left with an empty menu
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23:22.46BoomerBilehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/641553 <-- Gentoochild, and running gentoo here as well
23:23.55BoomerBileGentoochild, didn't fix it
23:24.10BoomerBilei seem to have this problem manually adding things to the menu as well
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