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| 00:02.07 | yhager | u19809: akonadictl restart |
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| 01:00.07 | Rug | How do I stop windows for automattically expanding to fill the entire screen when I drag them to the edge/top of the screen? |
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| 01:08.23 | ugg | in 4.7.0 what would cause the taskbar to take minutes to start? |
| 01:10.00 | Rug | How do I stop windows from automattically expanding to fill the entire screen when I drag them to the edge/top of the screen? |
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| 01:14.37 | Jucato | Rug: System Settings -> Workspace Behavior -> Screen Edges |
| 01:14.49 | Rug | Thanks |
| 01:20.10 | Rug | Is there anyway to completely remove 'activities' and leave virtual desktops? Or get rid of activities and virtual desktops? |
| 01:22.24 | Jucato | if you're not on version 4.7, there should only be one activity by default anyway. on 4.7 there are others setup by default. just remove the ones you don't need. same with virtual desktops (right-click on the pager -> Pager Settings or System Settings -> Workspace Behavior -> Virtual desktops) |
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| 01:23.29 | Rug | I have 4.6.2 |
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| 01:25.18 | Rug | There are 5 activities and no way to delete them, by clicking on them it switches to an entire new desktop+virtual desktop setup. |
| 01:25.50 | Rug | Applications that I have running disappear if I click one of the activities orbs. |
| 01:26.26 | Jucato | you have to stop them first before you can delete them I think. there should be a stop button there in the activity icon |
| 01:27.08 | Jucato | hm ... I seem to be missing that as well. weird |
| 01:27.21 | Jucato | ah there it is |
| 01:27.48 | Jucato | if you stop the activity, the stop button will turn into a close (x) button. |
| 01:28.25 | Rug | But how did I start the activity? |
| 01:29.09 | Rug | I have 20 things running on all 4 virtual desktops, do I need to close them all and then try to disable activities? |
| 01:29.17 | Jucato | by simply switching to it (or if it was stopped, there was a play button) |
| 01:30.09 | Jucato | no. virtual desktops and activies are separate |
| 01:30.54 | Rug | ack, confusing. |
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| 01:31.27 | Rug | I get the point of having it (although that is what I used virtual desktops for) I just don't like it. |
| 01:31.30 | Jucato | (not really sure why you have 5 activities anyway, when the default before 4.7 is only one) |
| 01:31.54 | Rug | Jucato: I just 'discovered' it 5 minutes ago. |
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| 06:55.55 | yangjeep | ping |
| 06:56.01 | yangjeep | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217364 |
| 06:56.14 | yangjeep | could anyone help on this? |
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| 07:10.56 | dyrvere | mmm, had a good sleep. So just deleting my old main activity and panel and creating a new one was enough to get rid of this plasma crashing bug reports stop. |
| 07:11.57 | dyrvere | oh and also the plasma-desktop & krunner scripts among session settings the update to 4.7 didn't remove like it did for my other PC. |
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| 07:28.36 | [dlp] | Heya. |
| 07:29.04 | [dlp] | Where would bug reports for KMail go? |
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| 08:21.10 | cyberchrist | kaidranzer there? |
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| 08:21.21 | cyberchrist | kai |
| 08:21.23 | cyberchrist | send |
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| 08:24.38 | kaidranzer | too slow...send ipmsg instead |
| 08:25.34 | cyberchrist | sending 1 file at a time |
| 08:26.01 | cyberchrist | will that setup only work? |
| 08:26.27 | kaidranzer | send the ipmsg.exe file |
| 08:27.02 | cyberchrist | ping me when done |
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| 09:14.44 | AlienPenguin | hi all, is there a way to configure a webdav link i created on plasma desktop to lock the files i open? |
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| 09:41.46 | grobda24 | hi |
| 09:42.34 | grobda24 | in global window (kwin) shortcuts I can't get "move window left /right /up/down" working. Other shortcuts work. Should I be able to move the window using the keyboard ? |
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| 11:30.20 | ekle86 | hi, kde-open downloads urls, instead of opening them with firefox. how can i change this ? I m using Kubuntu with kde 4.7 |
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| 12:00.24 | grobda24 | ekle86, I think it has something to do with the default applications you have set |
| 12:01.24 | grobda24 | See System Settings -> Workspace Appearence -> Default Applications |
| 12:01.58 | dyrvere | hm, is there a setting to use file-search in a .directory? (hidden) |
| 12:02.11 | grobda24 | Do the move window global shortcuts work ? |
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| 12:06.19 | fireboy | hi :) is there any experience of using kdepim suite with microsoft exchange ? |
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| 12:09.30 | grobda24 | fireboy, search for "microsoft exchange" on this page - http://community.kde.org/KDE_PIM/Akonadi |
| 12:09.56 | ekle86 | @grobda24: i have changed the firefox binary (ubuntu has many of them) and now it works |
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| 12:11.10 | grobda24 | ekle86, cool |
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| 12:22.15 | fireboy | grobda24: yeah but that's more of a conference, not much of a tool that's used in practice :) and in practice it seems not to work |
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| 12:23.44 | grobda24 | email the kde-pim devs, or join whatever mailist they are on |
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| 12:24.56 | bbear | I just thought of something. |
| 12:25.49 | bbear | What's the maximum file size with ext4 ? |
| 12:26.22 | bbear | ah 16To frm wikipedia |
| 12:26.37 | bbear | that's enought. I can write a 100Go file without any problem. |
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| 12:30.18 | nettezzaumana | hello |
| 12:30.21 | nettezzaumana | https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=711735 |
| 12:30.27 | nettezzaumana | ^^ any suggestion ? |
| 12:30.33 | nettezzaumana | or someone experienced so ? |
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| 12:42.45 | anarsoul | hi there |
| 12:43.54 | anarsoul | I've installed fresh archlinux and kde 4.7, configured imap account in kmail, and now mysqld+akonadiserver eat 100% of CPU |
| 12:44.30 | anarsoul | how to prevent it eating whole CPU time? |
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| 13:28.09 | glide | is there a way to stop the nepomuk file indexer from popping in and out of the systray while it works? |
| 13:28.22 | glide | it's distracting |
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| 13:30.37 | JLP | glide: System Settings → System and application Notifications, find nepomuk and disable Show Message Popup |
| 13:32.42 | glide | JLP: that's under Desktop Search? |
| 13:33.04 | JLP | Yeah I think that's what you're looking for |
| 13:33.24 | glide | thx JLP |
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| 13:47.40 | anarsoul | mysqld still eats cpu time, kmail is broken for sure :( |
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| 13:52.46 | jargon- | which application to i pick in bugzilla to file a bug i found in the Date & Time KDE Control Module? |
| 13:53.06 | pinotree | systemsettings, kcm_clock iirc |
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| 13:54.49 | jargon- | pinotree: thank u |
| 13:56.09 | jargon- | hmm. how do i determine the version of Date & Time? |
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| 14:00.22 | jzmer | to enable gles for kwin, do we need gallium or dri configuration for mesa? and what about qt, does it need to be compiled with egl instead? |
| 14:01.09 | jzmer | also, does a gles version of kwin link to libxcomposite? |
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| 16:29.00 | u19809 | hi all, |
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| 16:29.34 | u19809 | I use 4.6.2 and my kontact does not want to sendmails anymore. It just hangs. I read that it is a bug in akonadi that should alreadh been fixed ... ? |
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| 16:32.21 | cb400f | with kde sc 4.6.2 you should have kdepim 4.4 |
| 16:32.32 | cb400f | which doesn't use akonadi for mail |
| 16:32.41 | cb400f | so do a double check of that |
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| 16:40.20 | u19809 | cb400f, how can I check ? |
| 16:40.52 | cb400f | in a million different ways.. but e.g Help -> About KMail in kmail |
| 16:41.20 | cb400f | question is if you have kmail2 or kmail 1.x |
| 16:41.39 | u19809 | version 1.13.6 |
| 16:42.32 | cb400f | then akonadi is not responsible for sending your mails |
| 16:42.45 | u19809 | ok, but why does it hang then ? |
| 16:42.57 | cb400f | dunno.. check the server.. try a different smtp |
| 16:43.37 | u19809 | you are brilliant ... i just changed provider and of course I need to change the SMTP server ... duh ! |
| 16:44.45 | cb400f | poor akonadi gets blamed for everything ;-) |
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| 16:46.18 | u19809 | hmm ... not yet ok it seems ... trying an strace |
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| 16:48.15 | u19809 | hmm ... i see this in my .xsession-errors file : kmail(19131)/libakonadi Akonadi::SessionPrivate::socketError: Socket error occurred: "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Invalid name" |
| 16:48.23 | u19809 | so akonadi seems to be involved ... |
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| 16:54.25 | u19809 | cb400f : still around ? |
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| 17:01.33 | MrSassyPants | I think the window manager is screwing up, is there some way I can restart it without losing all open applications? |
| 17:02.59 | rdieter | MrSassyPants: kwin --replace |
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| 17:03.15 | rdieter | (or... insert your wm for kwin there) |
| 17:03.23 | MrSassyPants | nah its kwin |
| 17:03.36 | MrSassyPants | ok, the thingy at the bottom |
| 17:03.48 | MrSassyPants | you know where the list of open apps is |
| 17:03.52 | MrSassyPants | that is screwy |
| 17:04.47 | rdieter | plasma panel |
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| 17:05.14 | rdieter | well, there's the systray and task manager down there too |
| 17:05.19 | rdieter | in the panel |
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| 17:12.02 | u19809 | Honestly 4.6.2 of KDE is not the most stable version I have ever used. I have an 8 core processor with 8 gigs of memory on an SSD disk and sometimes my gui just waits for something to happen ... |
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| 17:16.14 | MrSassyPants | rdieter, the task manager is screwy, the task windows are overlayed for some reason |
| 17:16.27 | MrSassyPants | I mean, the things. the boxes. whatchamacallit. widgets. |
| 17:16.53 | MrSassyPants | is there some way to give that thing the boot? |
| 17:17.11 | rdieter | sure |
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| 17:17.23 | rdieter | click the little cashew-like thingy on the right |
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| 17:17.36 | rdieter | more settings -> remove panel , if that's what you really want |
| 17:18.07 | rdieter | unless you mean, removing individual widgets on the panel? |
| 17:18.30 | rdieter | can do too, right click in empty area near/on widget -> remove this <foo> |
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| 17:19.36 | MrSassyPants | no, I mean the task manager thingy needs a boot to the head |
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| 18:42.39 | dyrvere | hm, where can I find the KDE media-desktop? :D |
| 18:42.55 | dyrvere | or plasma-media hehe |
| 18:43.24 | rindolf | dyrvere: I don't know what it is. |
| 18:43.46 | cb400f | playgrond-base or pg-multimedia |
| 18:44.00 | dyrvere | well, something like XBMC. :D I know someone in a blog showed something like that, but can't remember where or when that was. |
| 18:44.04 | cb400f | plasma-mediacenter |
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| 18:44.18 | dyrvere | ahh, thank you :) time to investigate. |
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| 18:48.44 | dyrvere | ohh, love the mockups by Nuno Pinheiro. |
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| 19:07.07 | litb | hello all |
| 19:07.11 | litb | will KDE4 work with Qt5 ? |
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| 19:14.52 | rdieter | litb: no, use qt4 |
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| 19:16.27 | peremen | \ |
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| 19:16.55 | Leoneof | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:23.55 | dyrvere | will KDE 4.8 work with qt5? :) |
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| 19:24.50 | rdieter | no (if there is a kde 4.8) |
| 19:27.06 | dyrvere | anyways, kde framework 5 sounds like it will utilize qt5, amirite? |
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| 19:30.26 | litb | WOW Qt seems to become even more open |
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| 19:40.28 | Sho_ | dyrvere: It's going to use Qt 4.8 until Qt 5 becomes usable, but eventually, yes |
| 19:40.53 | Sho_ | dyrvere: And no, KDE workspaces/apps 4.8 won't use Qt 5 |
| 19:41.05 | dyrvere | ahh, thank you for the information :) |
| 19:41.50 | Sho_ | dyrvere: The plan is to keep developing Frameworks 5 against 4.8 until Qt 5 becomes robust enough as a base, and then it will be made to use Qt 5, and then we'll move workspaces and apps to use Frameworks 5 and Qt 5 |
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| 19:42.39 | dyrvere | good to know if Arch Linux could be trying to push qt5 before it is ready. but then again, qt5 could be backwards comp? |
| 19:42.51 | dyrvere | before ready for KDE* |
| 19:44.14 | dyrvere | hm, webkit bug. brb. |
| 19:44.15 | Sho_ | dyrvere: The plan for both Qt 5 and Frameworks 5 is to support existing apps with only few changes, but both will be binary incompatible and source incompatible with Qt 4 and Platform 4 |
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| 19:45.04 | litb | finally moving away from X. thanks god |
| 19:45.12 | litb | lol |
| 19:45.41 | dyrvere | litb: Indeed. kicking it Rootless. |
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| 19:46.29 | Sho_ | built Konversation against Frameworks 5 for the first time earlier today |
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| 19:46.41 | Sho_ | Which needed zero changes because Frameworks is basically still kdelibs 4.7 :-p |
| 19:46.48 | Sho_ | so not that impressive :-D |
| 19:47.33 | dyrvere | Sho_: Much appreciated info :) every new release is like oh I don't know. 4th of July / New Years Eve depending on where one lives LOL :D. |
| 19:47.36 | litb | so KDE4.9 will not need Xorg anymore? |
| 19:47.57 | Sho_ | litb: No, it will take longer than that |
| 19:48.06 | litb | oh i see |
| 19:48.32 | dyrvere | litb: interesting to see if the prop drivers will be supporting it by then :p |
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| 19:49.52 | Sho_ | litb: By 4.9 we might have kwin acting as a standalone Wayland compositor, which is a major milestone. But there are still many missing bits in Wayland itself to make it ready for desktop usage, and also consider that Qt won't really support Wayland until Qt 5, so KDE *apps* becoming Wayland clients will take a good while longer than the kwin side of things. |
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| 19:51.12 | litb | oh i see. well, sounds like a few years :) |
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| 20:14.43 | dyrvere | how's kdevelop supporting C# programming currently? |
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| 20:16.02 | OzBorne | hello |
| 20:16.07 | OzBorne | i use kde under linux |
| 20:16.23 | OzBorne | there is no button on the task bar to redure all application in one shoot ? |
| 20:16.28 | OzBorne | reduce |
| 20:16.46 | MinceR | there is, at least in kde 4.x |
| 20:16.50 | MinceR | if not, you can add one |
| 20:16.55 | OzBorne | ok? |
| 20:17.08 | OzBorne | i search i did not found in the option |
| 20:17.12 | MinceR | (cashew/add widgets/show desktop) |
| 20:17.31 | OzBorne | its a command? |
| 20:17.41 | MinceR | it's an applet called Show Desktop |
| 20:18.02 | OzBorne | ok |
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| 20:18.09 | OzBorne | where can i tag it |
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| 20:18.21 | OzBorne | what is cashew in french? |
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| 20:18.40 | MinceR | "cashew" is just a common name for the button that lets you change the desktop and panels |
| 20:18.57 | MinceR | yellow crescent/fluid/cashew-looking thing |
| 20:19.00 | OzBorne | ok i did it |
| 20:19.03 | OzBorne | i have it |
| 20:19.03 | MinceR | (well, it's yellow if you mouse over it) |
| 20:19.06 | MinceR | ok |
| 20:19.19 | OzBorne | its on the right and i added the button |
| 20:19.28 | OzBorne | the button is on the right though |
| 20:19.31 | OzBorne | thank you |
| 20:19.34 | MinceR | you can move it |
| 20:19.34 | MinceR | np |
| 20:19.44 | OzBorne | yes |
| 20:19.48 | OzBorne | i just moved it |
| 20:19.51 | MinceR | :) |
| 20:20.05 | OzBorne | time to lunch |
| 20:20.12 | OzBorne | /away |
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| 20:42.22 | Leoneof | what happens if i delete ~/.kde ? |
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| 20:43.38 | dyrvere | Leoneof: do you have a ~/.kde4? |
| 20:44.40 | Leoneof | sorry, i'm not using KDE :/ |
| 20:45.09 | dyrvere | Leoneof: KDE software could lose settings if you delete it. |
| 20:45.11 | cb400f | Leoneof: then .kde wouldn't exist.. you must be using something |
| 20:45.26 | cb400f | you'd lose whatever kde settings and data you might have |
| 20:45.42 | Leoneof | but it will create new profile? |
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| 20:46.22 | Leoneof | or settings* |
| 20:46.45 | dyrvere | yeah, it will recreate whenever you run the software creating it in the first place. |
| 20:46.54 | dyrvere | but data will be lost :p |
| 20:47.24 | Leoneof | i see |
| 20:47.28 | Leoneof | thanks ^_^ |
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| 20:50.16 | dyrvere | about that, I have a ~/.kde folder with just two levels of directories in it, /share/config where did those come from? :D |
| 20:51.14 | Leoneof | from konversation? ;D |
| 20:52.18 | dyrvere | Leoneof: Who knows, empty folders in my home directory bug me.. xP |
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| 20:54.26 | dyrvere | it's not like it wasn't full of directories gaining clutter anyway since nobody seem to know configs data and all that go to ~/.config .local .cache .anythingelse these days. :D |
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| 20:56.15 | Leoneof | Program Files is the best :| |
| 20:56.21 | glide | hi folks, the kde daemon is crashing on startup on my machine, where can i view the logs? |
| 20:56.32 | dyrvere | ugh, no thanks Leoneof :D |
| 20:56.52 | Leoneof | dyrvere: or Document and Settings? :/ |
| 20:57.25 | dyrvere | Leoneof: Long names just clutter it even more! :o |
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| 20:58.11 | dyrvere | glide: I'm gonna check. |
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| 21:02.51 | dyrvere | glide: I'm only aware of .xsession-errors in your home or /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:05.01 | dyrvere | glide: you could also try your /var/log/kdm.log |
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| 21:23.39 | glide | dyrvere: thx |
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| 21:24.02 | dyrvere | glide: no problem, finding anything useful? |
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| 21:42.51 | glide | not yet |
| 21:43.10 | glide | seeing no dbus session-bus found, but dbus is started |
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| 21:44.57 | glide | seeing segfaults from akonadi agent |
| 21:45.59 | Sho_ | dyrvere: Not from Konversation @ your folder question and leoneof's strange reply |
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| 21:52.51 | glide | getting kdeinit4 signal aborted 6 now |
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| 21:57.53 | glide | think i'll just refresh it |
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| 21:57.56 | OzBorne | re-hi |
| 21:58.21 | OzBorne | my screen is flat panel but is detected as CRT... also i cant change easily his resolution |
| 21:59.09 | OzBorne | under kde of course |
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| 22:02.13 | OzBorne | any ideas? thanks |
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| 22:02.48 | dMaggot | hey, I see that in reKonq, if a tab fails to load, I can't right-click the tab name and reload it... |
| 22:03.06 | dMaggot | say, for example, if I boot my computer and get into KDE without wifi, all tabs fail loading |
| 22:03.15 | dMaggot | then I connect to a wifi network, and I try to reload and I can't |
| 22:03.22 | dMaggot | is that an inteded behavior or a bug? |
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| 22:23.47 | glide | ah, this is the autologin bug, if i logout and back in, the crash doesn't happen |
| 22:26.49 | dyrvere | Sho_: Is there anything wrong with the desktop standard? |
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| 22:28.11 | Sho_ | dyrvere: not that I know of |
| 22:28.33 | dyrvere | You probably don't speak for every dev, but everyone is intent on not using those standards when it comes to user-directories LOL :D |
| 22:28.46 | dyrvere | well vlc seems to be aware hehe |
| 22:29.08 | Sho_ | Well we co-wrote that standard, as for why we don't use it, no idea |
| 22:30.40 | dyrvere | I wish more did, I'm having a rightful mess even with grouped display in dolphin to find what I need :D to be fair mostly games make this error. |
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| 22:33.20 | dyrvere | would be easier you know, guys? instead of having to press .kd to find the kde dir I could just press kd. :) |
| 22:34.11 | Sho_ | i can't follow that |
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| 22:45.31 | dyrvere | Sho_: if things are in .config etc. each dir in there is without dots |
| 22:45.53 | desti | what is "improved window management" in the desktop effect settings? |
| 22:46.15 | dyrvere | desti: automatic tiling IIRC. |
| 22:46.56 | dyrvere | desti: but then again, it could have moved on to mean much more as well :) |
| 22:47.24 | desti | ah, ok, thx |
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| 22:47.44 | Sho_ | no, not in any way related to tiling |
| 22:47.47 | dyrvere | hope I was right there :p |
| 22:48.02 | dyrvere | ok, so what was that called then? |
| 22:48.06 | Sho_ | Tiling |
| 22:48.08 | Sho_ | :-) |
| 22:48.28 | Sho_ | desti: It enables a certain set of effects from the All Effects list, e.g. Darken Parent if I remember correctly |
| 22:48.35 | Sho_ | Dialog Parent, rather |
| 22:49.08 | dyrvere | um, is that in any way related to an improved window management? :D |
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| 22:50.28 | Sho_ | I'd say the notion is that dimming the parent window of a modal dialog window facilitates better window management by guiding the attention of the user, in a similar way as differing window decorations between inactive and active windows have for a long time, which I assume you're going to accept is a function of window management |
| 22:50.50 | dyrvere | Sho_: What happened to the blur effect for the same purpose? |
| 22:51.10 | Sho_ | What about it? |
| 22:52.02 | dyrvere | Sho_: Well I remember seeing someone casting those particular effects in place of darkening. But not seen those implemented in the final. :o |
| 22:52.23 | dyrvere | screencast that is. |
| 22:52.33 | Sho_ | dyrvere: Can't quite follow you there. In any case, there is a blur effect, and it's enabled by default. |
| 22:53.13 | dyrvere | yeah, for plasma I see blur effects, hehe |
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| 22:53.44 | dyrvere | or not right now, something with the latest nvidia driver released this week seem to have disabled all effects.. |
| 22:54.24 | Sho_ | I'm on 280.13 |
| 22:54.42 | dyrvere | or I borked something in the Air theme transparency settings :D |
| 22:54.59 | dyrvere | same here. Hmm. |
| 22:55.22 | Sho_ | The way the blur effect works is that it checks for a window hint on windows, and that hint contains the region of the window behind which blur should be applied |
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| 22:56.36 | Sho_ | So for example, in the case of http://i.imgur.com/wdxol.png you have Plasma setting a hint on the Device Notifier window asking for the inside region of the popup to be blurred behind (but not behind the shadow) |
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| 23:00.33 | dyrvere | Ok then :D thanks, time to fix something here. |
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| 23:03.44 | dyrvere | ahh there we go kquitapp plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop did it. |
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| 23:05.44 | Sho_ | got disconnected at some point after [01:07] <Sho_> So for example |
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| 23:06.34 | dyrvere | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.44 | Sho_ | i've noticed that plasma-desktop seems to have problems lately noticing when compositing comes back |
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| 23:10.23 | dyrvere | yeah, try swapping stuff in your Air plasma theme with other themes. once you reicive the crash it will forget all about composoting or switching themes. |
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| 23:10.50 | Sho_ | i should look into that some time; I had to write similar code for Yakuake |
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| 23:11.37 | dyrvere | nice :) lovely program. |
| 23:13.51 | dyrvere | Sho_: But I think when I swinged pass the bug-reports it was fixed for 4.7.1 already so. :) |
| 23:14.47 | dyrvere | hibernation. night! |
| 23:15.15 | Sho_ | night |
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