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| 00:34.58 | winut | thanks to macports i am running kde 4.7.1 on osx, but it has a few bugs left, would you consider collaborating more with macports on these issues? thanks |
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| 02:57.47 | RingtailedFox | it keeps trying to output music to my HDMI port, when my speakers are connected to my motherboard's onboard stereo port |
| 02:57.57 | RingtailedFox | how do i tell it to use stereo output instead? |
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| 03:39.02 | winut | for what purpose? |
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| 09:52.20 | TimmyT | i use slackware. i've upgraded my kde to 4.7.1 . when i run kmail it says:" KMail encountered a fatal error and will terminate now. The error was: Failed to fetch the resource collection. " and then terminates kmail |
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| 09:59.49 | lord_rob | hi! I have kate kate (kde 4.6.5 debian) and every time I type ctrl+a to select all I get "ambiguous key no action will be taken" an now same for ctrl for ctrl +s and I did nothing .... |
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| 10:00.22 | lord_rob | how could I solve this cr***y problem :@ |
| 10:00.52 | lord_rob | sorry for the offense |
| 10:01.49 | TimmyT | is kde 4.6.5 available for debian lord_rob? |
| 10:03.11 | lord_rob | erm yes |
| 10:03.24 | lord_rob | in sid |
| 10:04.23 | lord_rob | I've solved the ctrl+a problem just now |
| 10:04.36 | lord_rob | disabling ctrl+shift+a solves it |
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| 10:06.57 | futuresoon | i've been trying to follow this quickstart http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Metadata/Nepomuk/Quickstart#Includes_and_Linking but i keep getting that FindNepomuk.cmake can't be found. what do you do if there's no cmake/modules/whatyouneed? |
| 10:08.00 | lord_rob | ah I've solved the ctrl+s problem, you choose the custom keyboard shortcut and you type the same. seems to work |
| 10:08.56 | futuresoon | i wonder if many people are trying to develop in nepomuk |
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| 12:12.05 | Zeldas7777 | anyone know how to get k3b to burn dvd |
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| 12:23.02 | bjoernbalazs | hi |
| 12:23.15 | Zeldas7777 | hello |
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| 12:24.21 | bjoernbalazs | Can anyone please explain the abbreveation KCM to me? |
| 12:24.30 | bjoernbalazs | In the context of KDE of course :) |
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| 12:25.06 | pinotree | kde control module |
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| 12:25.49 | bjoernbalazs | Thanks - is that same as the system settings? |
| 12:26.17 | pinotree | any of the configuration modules you see there is a kcm |
| 12:26.39 | bjoernbalazs | ah - so it is a more general term? |
| 12:27.11 | pinotree | no |
| 12:27.52 | pinotree | a configuration module with usual apply/revert/default (and optionally "you need to authenticate", etc) is a kcm |
| 12:28.04 | Zeldas7777 | how do you burn DVD iso with k3b |
| 12:28.36 | pinotree | system settings (like kcontrol in kde3) is just a "shell" showing (most of) kcm's |
| 12:29.08 | pinotree | Zeldas7777: hint: instead of ask a generic and useless question, just ask straight what is the problem(s) you found with it |
| 12:29.23 | bjoernbalazs | pinotree: ok, thanks I think I got it! |
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| 12:30.10 | Zeldas7777 | no matter what speed u set the write speed as it appears to not be writing anything |
| 12:31.40 | Zeldas7777 | i used it before with no problem on older distro but with newer distro it is not working like it should be |
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| 12:34.02 | Zeldas7777 | it seems allot of users are having this problem according to google |
| 12:36.03 | pinotree | you still didn't say anything useful |
| 12:36.35 | pinotree | what do you get from the application? what do you see to "appears to not be writing anything"? |
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| 12:39.42 | Zeldas7777 | this command /usr/bin/growisofs -Z /dev/hdd=/dev/fd/0 -use-the-force-luke=notray -use-the-force-luke=tty -use-the-force-luke=4gms -use-the-force-luke=tracksize:843264 -use-the-force-luke=dummy -use-the-force-luke=dao:843264 -dvd-compat -speed=4 -overburn -use-the-force-luke=bufsize:32m |
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| 12:41.20 | Zeldas7777 | for as to what i see is nothing compared to before used to see the status bar making progress but nothing |
| 12:41.30 | Zeldas7777 | now |
| 12:43.33 | Zeldas7777 | excuse me for being extremely tired because of linux and all kinds of problems |
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| 12:48.33 | BenPA | hi all ... can someone tell me how to delay the start of the LCD weather applet because it is starting before the wireless and erroring out thx |
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| 12:52.35 | Zeldas7777 | i think i found the bug |
| 12:52.48 | Zeldas7777 | brb |
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| 12:58.09 | Zeldas7777 | this keeps repeating itself |
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| 13:18.25 | whilo | does meta+shift+tab work for you as the previous activity shortcut? even if i manually reassign it, it doesn't work (kde 4.7.1 on fedora here) |
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| 14:06.36 | RalfJ | okay, so I built KDE stable using http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build and kdesrc-build, and installed it to /opt/kde. Now, how do I start a desktop session of this self-compiled KDE? can't find any docs on this in the techbase article... |
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| 14:10.32 | CtrlAltCa | RalfJ: something like this? http://kdesvn-build.kde.org/documentation/environment.html |
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| 14:13.45 | RalfJ | CtrlAltCa: looking good, thanks! |
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| 14:54.00 | xxzz | y0 men, how do i switch to plasma-netbook from regular kde4 on freebsd |
| 14:54.51 | Sho_ | xxzz: selection's in system settings somewhere |
| 14:55.06 | Sho_ | workspace appearance or workspace behavior, around those parts |
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| 14:55.21 | xxzz | yeah I am there and when i key in plasma netbook nothing comes |
| 14:55.23 | xxzz | ok |
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| 14:57.06 | xxzz | ok got it |
| 14:57.07 | xxzz | ty |
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| 14:57.21 | xxzz | i am using vesa drv and kde looks fat in it |
| 14:57.23 | xxzz | cyas |
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| 15:49.48 | Hodes | hello, which is the kde distro for a netbook? |
| 15:49.54 | Hodes | *best |
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| 15:54.43 | marcusdavidus | how to remove icon name from icon pls? |
| 15:54.54 | thiago | where? |
| 15:55.11 | marcusdavidus | from desktop im not retard but seriouslky wtf where it is |
| 15:56.11 | marcusdavidus | ii mean i goit icon on my sceen and i want oly icon o texst underi it |
| 15:56.32 | marcusdavidus | i srsl foprgot how todo thi omgimnoob |
| 15:57.16 | marcusdavidus | so any help pls? |
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| 16:14.41 | ompaul | marcusdavidus: your desktop preferences, are you using desktop view? |
| 16:14.45 | ompaul | just asking |
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| 16:20.17 | marcusdavidus | yes i dont wnt to got name under icons |
| 16:20.40 | marcusdavidus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:27.06 | marcusdavidus | can i gewt any support here ? |
| 16:27.08 | marcusdavidus | [;s |
| 16:27.16 | marcusdavidus | god damned |
| 16:28.01 | marcusdavidus | and how new user want swicth to freeking linux when he cannot find how to remove god damned icon na,e from icon |
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| 16:31.45 | thiago | most users don't care about changing whether texts appear or not |
| 16:32.20 | cb400f | what "icons" are you talking about anyway... files in folderview? .. application shortcuts? |
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| 16:33.36 | marcusdavidus | http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/571/1113k.png/ |
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| 16:34.11 | marcusdavidus | see the old icons got no names under and new ones got how to remove them omg this is not freeking hi yech problem why no one knwo how to do this |
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| 16:34.55 | Sho_ | right-clck them, chose properties and remove the name in the dialog |
| 16:37.50 | marcusdavidus | itschange icon to blank |
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| 16:40.18 | marcusdavidus | wow i find out |
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| 16:40.39 | yates | it appears that setting the default browser under kde 4.6.0 doesn't work properly |
| 16:40.39 | marcusdavidus | its opera browser foult if u change other icon name its not blanking |
| 16:41.43 | yates | personal settings / workspace appearance and behavior/default applications/web browser/in the following browser: chromium |
| 16:41.48 | yates | doesn't work ^^^^ |
| 16:42.10 | yates | openSUSE 11.4 |
| 16:42.11 | Sho_ | doesn't work where? |
| 16:42.35 | yates | several places |
| 16:42.49 | yates | a) when clicking on links in emails within thunderbird |
| 16:42.57 | yates | b) when clicking on links within adobe acrobat |
| 16:43.10 | yates | c) when opening chromium, it reports it is not the default brower |
| 16:43.14 | Sho_ | none of those are kde apps |
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| 16:43.39 | yates | so kde configuration is only for kde apps? |
| 16:43.48 | Sho_ | yes and no |
| 16:44.08 | yates | this is the kind of bullshit i tried to get away from when switching from mi9crosoft |
| 16:44.16 | Sho_ | there's a collection of cross-desktop utilities called xdg-utils tnat includes an xdg-open that figures out how to do the right thing depending on in what desktop it's run |
| 16:44.33 | Sho_ | i.e. something like acrobat is supposed to use xdg-open, which will then find the kde default browser |
| 16:44.38 | Sho_ | so, e.g. complain to adobe |
| 16:44.41 | Sho_ | (or use okular) |
| 16:44.52 | yates | xdg-open does the right thing |
| 16:45.03 | yates | xdg-open http://www.aes.org opens in chromium |
| 16:45.11 | Sho_ | yep, sure |
| 16:45.20 | yates | so then why doesn't thunderbird open links in chromium? |
| 16:45.37 | Sho_ | because thunderbird probably doesn't run xdg-open |
| 16:45.40 | yates | why does chromium itself complain that it's not the default browser? |
| 16:45.59 | Sho_ | iirc you have to go into a prefs.js or user.js file in the thunderbird profile folder and modify its http protocol handler; perhaps it also has a gui way somewhere in the app |
| 16:46.16 | yates | Sho_: done that, rebooted, no joy |
| 16:46.16 | Sho_ | because chromium probably doesn't check kde's settings |
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| 16:47.44 | yates | is xdg-open the "standard" way to access preferred applications on linux platforms? |
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| 16:48.28 | Sho_ | well a kde app of course has an easier time of it using kdelibs apis, and the gnome people have their own apis as well, but for an app like acroread that's neither, using xdg-open isf airly common, yes |
| 16:48.41 | Sho_ | btw, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=33842 is an interesting read wrt the default browser check |
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| 16:50.13 | Verge | Defining default apps in Linux is just a broken mess |
| 16:50.26 | Sho_ | (and for that matter, the kdelibs apis that kde apps call also end up running xdg-open depending on circumstances, to e.g. respect the gnome default browser when they run in gnome, i.e. kde apps certainly try to be a good citizen) |
| 16:52.42 | yates | Verge: i'm beginning to think that, too |
| 16:52.52 | yates | away for breakfast... |
| 16:53.13 | Sho_ | well, in this case the apps are broken, not the way to define the default apps |
| 16:53.36 | Sho_ | it's no secret that adobe and mozilla don't care much about the platform |
| 16:53.51 | Verge | Less and less |
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| 16:53.55 | Sho_ | (although in adobe's defense, flash has actually started shipping a system settings module for kde) |
| 16:54.25 | Verge | On another note, Lightspark finally plays YouTube videos |
| 16:54.44 | Verge | The first one to actually do so instead of claiming to do so |
| 16:54.54 | Sho_ | i haven't seen a youtube video that required flash in some time now |
| 16:55.03 | Verge | I constantly run to those |
| 16:55.17 | Verge | And YouTube keeps forgetting I'm in the HTML5 trial |
| 16:55.32 | Sho_ | vimeo is my problem |
| 16:55.39 | Sho_ | can you check that out with your lightspark? |
| 16:55.49 | Verge | I don't have Lightspark atm |
| 16:55.56 | Verge | I just check out the progress every now and then |
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| 16:56.07 | Verge | It plays the videos but the UI isn't working altogether |
| 16:56.20 | Verge | Play button works |
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| 17:10.02 | ROKO__ | <ROKO__> hello guys |
| 17:10.02 | ROKO__ | <ROKO__> i have troubles with kde networkmanager |
| 17:10.02 | ROKO__ | <ROKO__> hasn't support for wifi |
| 17:10.02 | ROKO__ | <ROKO__> and get message |
| 17:10.03 | ROKO__ | <ROKO__> not detect network devices |
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| 17:13.10 | ompaul | ROKO__: that is typically a problem for the box, in that your distro is not seeing the wireless, you can prove it is the distro in your machine if you type ifconfig -a and if you don't see wireless it needs a driver in which case see your distro |
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| 17:13.36 | ROKO__ | ompaul, knetworkmanager not find any devices |
| 17:13.38 | ompaul | ROKO__: that ifconfig may need a path in front if it |
| 17:13.54 | ROKO__ | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/481714/ |
| 17:14.00 | ROKO__ | look |
| 17:14.23 | ompaul | what version of kde? |
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| 17:14.32 | pinotree | does Network Manager handle them? |
| 17:14.55 | ompaul | they are visible to the box |
| 17:14.55 | ROKO__ | what do you mean |
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| 17:15.17 | ROKO__ | hm NetworkManager not started |
| 17:15.18 | ROKO__ | brb |
| 17:15.23 | ROKO__ | i will start and try again |
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| 17:15.26 | pinotree | that explains |
| 17:16.33 | ROKO__ | working |
| 17:16.34 | ROKO__ | :> |
| 17:17.09 | ROKO__ | i'm away |
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| 17:34.15 | yates | did xdg-open used to be xdg-settings? |
| 17:34.22 | yates | i have no xdg-settings on my system |
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| 17:49.33 | thiago | yates: no, xdg-open has always been called xdg-open |
| 17:50.27 | Verge | The name suggests xdg-settings is for something totally different |
| 17:51.03 | tonymc | will digiKam support webDav? |
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| 17:51.58 | tonymc | or, to put it another way, is it a good idea to use digiKam to manage a remote album? i'd like to move my photos to my ownCloud installation, and for now it can only use WebDAV as file storage |
| 17:52.11 | JackBauer24 | Hi. I can't open a saved project in kdenlive. When I try to open it, it says: "File xxx is not a kdenlive project file" Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 17:58.38 | leo_rockway | tonymc: I think somebody will come up with a gallery app for ownCloud (it's only logical) |
| 17:59.01 | tonymc | why a separate app for what digiKam is perfectly capable of? |
| 17:59.11 | tonymc | besides, gallery != photo management |
| 17:59.49 | leo_rockway | oh, you still want to use digiKam, but remotely? |
| 18:00.02 | leo_rockway | I don't really use digiKam. I know it's a great app, but I don't use it because I'm lazy o.o |
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| 18:11.22 | ROKO__ | hello again |
| 18:11.38 | ROKO__ | how can make dolphin to show hidden files |
| 18:11.39 | ROKO__ | ? |
| 18:11.55 | yates | Verge: don't judge a function by its name |
| 18:11.56 | thiago | Alt+. |
| 18:12.07 | yates | why don't i have xdg-settings? |
| 18:12.21 | Verge | Because it's probably been deprecated long time ago |
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| 18:12.47 | ROKO__ | ?? |
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| 18:12.59 | pinotree | ROKO__: <thiago> Alt+. |
| 18:13.12 | pinotree | or from the menu bar, view â show hidden files |
| 18:13.32 | ROKO__ | pinotree, but i want permanently |
| 18:13.42 | pinotree | that's it |
| 18:14.09 | ROKO__ | well |
| 18:14.11 | thiago | ROKO__: it's permanent until you turn it off again |
| 18:14.24 | ROKO__ | i want to be set forever |
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| 18:15.59 | pinotree | ROKO__: that is like that |
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| 18:16.35 | yates | Verge: so which function provides that functionality now? |
| 18:16.49 | Verge | They're apps |
| 18:16.53 | Verge | And I don't know |
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| 18:17.09 | thiago | yates: what functionality? |
| 18:17.14 | Verge | I've no idea what xdg-settings should do |
| 18:17.16 | yates | thiago: xdg-settings |
| 18:17.26 | thiago | yates: what specific functionality are you looking for? |
| 18:18.00 | Verge | I have xdg-settings so maybe it's not deprecated |
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| 18:18.54 | thiago | has it too |
| 18:19.14 | yates | what is the manpage for it? |
| 18:19.22 | yates | could someone please pastebin that? |
| 18:19.23 | thiago | there is no manpage here |
| 18:19.29 | thiago | xdg-settings --manual prints it |
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| 18:19.44 | yates | xdg-settings --manual | susepaste |
| 18:19.56 | thiago | why don't you install it? |
| 18:20.50 | thiago | http://portland.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
| 18:22.18 | yates | thiago: did you set xdg-settings there? |
| 18:22.21 | yates | see |
| 18:22.36 | thiago | I don't see it |
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| 18:22.47 | thiago | I don't see the use in such a program, it doesn't do anything useful |
| 18:22.56 | thiago | that's why it's not even listed in its own homepage |
| 18:23.05 | thiago | so I ask again: what functionality are you looking for? |
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| 18:23.52 | yates | to query what default applications xdg-xyz utilize |
| 18:24.07 | yates | e.g., xdg-open |
| 18:24.09 | thiago | why do you need to know that? |
| 18:24.21 | yates | why do you need to know why i need to know that? |
| 18:24.31 | thiago | I'm trying to help you |
| 18:24.41 | thiago | xdg-settings only knows about the browser |
| 18:24.43 | yates | because i'm trying to track down why my default types aren't opening properly |
| 18:25.03 | yates | i thought is was obvious... |
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| 18:25.07 | thiago | no |
| 18:25.08 | yates | it |
| 18:25.10 | thiago | it isn't |
| 18:25.16 | thiago | is xdg-open doing the same as typing the address in krunner? |
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| 18:27.04 | yates | well, so what if it wasn't obvious? This is picking nits. that is my purpose, and i think such information would be useful in determining what the bloody hell is going on with this issue |
| 18:27.30 | thiago | because I can help you better if I know what you're looking for |
| 18:27.39 | yates | i stated that about 2 hours ago |
| 18:27.55 | yates | 12:39 <yates> it appears that setting the default browser under kde 4.6.0 doesn't work properly |
| 18:28.07 | thiago | I didn't see that two hours ago, I was having dinner |
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| 18:28.27 | thiago | why do you think it's not working properly? |
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| 18:30.10 | yates | thiago: here's a few minutes of the channel earlier: http://www.susepaste.org/65001786 |
| 18:32.06 | thiago | ok |
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| 18:32.23 | thiago | so I get from that that xdg-open is working properly |
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| 18:32.26 | thiago | correct? |
| 18:33.00 | yates | i'm hesitant to jump to that conclusion - it depends on knowledge i'm not sure i have |
| 18:33.16 | yates | i do know xdg-open http://blah opens chromium, yes. |
| 18:33.27 | yates | does that use the "default browser"? |
| 18:33.37 | yates | i would think so, but that's making a lot of assumptions |
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| 18:34.04 | yates | obviously something, somewhere, is hosed. |
| 18:34.18 | yates | possibly several things... |
| 18:34.48 | yates | hence my attempt to find out more info on the xdg structure |
| 18:36.12 | yates | is there an application that is known to properly use xdg-open for web browsing? |
| 18:36.34 | yates | maybe open office (libre office)? |
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| 18:38.22 | yates | or do i have to start reading source code? |
| 18:38.51 | Sho_ | any kde app is known to properly use xdg-open for web browsing if it's running outside of kde |
| 18:38.59 | yates | Sho_: for example? |
| 18:39.06 | Sho_ | Konversation, KMail, .. |
| 18:39.18 | yates | ok, let me test that. - thansk |
| 18:39.18 | Sho_ | anything that calls KToolInvocation::invokeBrowser() |
| 18:39.20 | yates | thanks |
| 18:39.21 | thiago | yates: xdg-open runs kfmclient openURL |
| 18:39.26 | thiago | so it uses the KDE settings |
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| 18:40.11 | thiago | if you change your default browser settings in KDE and xdg-open starts the new browser, it would seem to be working correctly |
| 18:41.40 | yates | ok, verified |
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| 18:47.52 | yates | so it appears to me that part of the problem is that the thunderbird and acrobat applications do not utilize xdg-open. do you concur? |
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| 18:48.26 | Sho_ | yates: indeed, yes |
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| 18:48.38 | Sho_ | but that's what it told you two hours ago ;) |
| 18:50.41 | yates | what i don't understand is what part of the xdg paragigm provide the mechanism for applications like chromium to establish themselves as the default application (via the "Make Chromium my default browser" button in Preferences) |
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| 18:51.07 | yates | paradigm |
| 18:51.17 | yates | provides |
| 18:52.02 | Sho_ | yates: xdg-settings |
| 18:52.08 | yates | e.g., if i were an email client developer, what should i code to make my application default? |
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| 18:52.20 | yates | you mean the one that's deprecated? |
| 18:52.22 | yates | :) |
| 18:53.22 | yates | Sho_ (re: that's what i told you two hours ago): yes, but separating these issues took me so time |
| 18:53.28 | yates | and i had breakfast... |
| 18:53.33 | yates | some |
| 18:54.55 | yates | Sho_: there is no xdg-settings in my copy of xdg tools |
| 18:55.09 | yates | zypper search can't find it |
| 18:55.17 | Sho_ | yates: chrome seems to bundle its own copy |
| 18:55.24 | yates | is it a user application or a library function? |
| 18:55.39 | Sho_ | it's an executable |
| 18:56.15 | yates | Sho_: note i'm using chromium, not chrome |
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| 18:56.58 | yates | is there an rpm repository available for chrome? |
| 18:57.34 | Sho_ | google runs a fedora repository |
| 18:57.46 | Sho_ | (as does adobe) |
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| 18:59.35 | yates | i don't understand why xdg-settings isn't part of xdg utilities? |
| 18:59.50 | Sho_ | probably because your xdg-utils is too old |
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| 19:00.16 | Sho_ | because looking at the tags in the xdg-utils git repository, it first shows up at the 1.1.0-rc1 tag |
| 19:00.41 | yates | http://susepaste.org/72872110 |
| 19:00.47 | yates | yes, that's the reason |
| 19:00.57 | yates | 1.0.2 here |
| 19:01.29 | Sho_ | in usual fd.o performance, 1.1.0-rc1 was released nine month ago and then silence without a stable release |
| 19:02.11 | yates | fd.o? |
| 19:02.17 | Sho_ | freedesktop.org |
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| 19:02.48 | yates | that's a dig on them, then? i see. |
| 19:03.33 | Sho_ | well, in the sense that freedesktop.org is partially made up of us (though the xdg-utils release manager is not a kde guy, afaik), it's a dig at us as well |
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| 19:04.06 | yates | oh really? wow. well nice to make your acquaintance! |
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| 19:06.35 | yates | another thing that confuses me is this: xdg-open has been around for awhile (i think? hasn't been for at least a couple of years?), so why would something as mature as thunderbird still not have it incorporated? |
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| 19:09.14 | yates | i'm just EE/embedded firmware/DSP guy who also happens to be a linux user (well, i've done a little application development, and a very small network utility) |
| 19:09.40 | yates | switched to openSUSE after 5 years with fedora |
| 19:09.52 | yates | and to kde after 5 years of gnome, just recently |
| 19:09.59 | yates | (thanks to gnome3...) |
| 19:10.19 | yates | i must say, out of the box, kde looks dead sexy. |
| 19:10.24 | yates | kde 4.6.0 |
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| 19:10.44 | yates | i had to take her home with me... |
| 19:12.36 | yates | why does kde-open a different browser than xdg-open? |
| 19:12.58 | thiago | yates: because it probably simply opens konqueror |
| 19:13.28 | yates | thiago: nope. opens firefox. |
| 19:14.00 | thiago | huh? weird |
| 19:14.08 | yates | is kde-open functionally different than xdg-open? |
| 19:14.14 | thiago | yes |
| 19:14.16 | yates | thiago: yup. |
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| 19:14.21 | thiago | your empirical evidence shows it is |
| 19:14.36 | yates | not really - could be a bug. the intention might be the same |
| 19:14.40 | thiago | I don't need to dig into the source code to find out that they are different :-) |
| 19:14.41 | thiago | ah |
| 19:14.45 | thiago | right, I don't know |
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| 19:15.27 | yates | so if kde-open opens firefox, and thunderbird links open firefox, maybe thunderbird is using kde-open? |
| 19:15.36 | thiago | I doubt it |
| 19:15.45 | thiago | but I could be wrong |
| 19:16.03 | thiago | it's more likely thunderbird is inspecting gnome settings and finding firefox configured there |
| 19:16.43 | yates | gnome-open does open firefox too |
| 19:16.49 | Hodes | hey guys, i want to install kde as netbook variant,on my netbook, which kde distro is better for that? Fedora kde or Kubuntu? |
| 19:17.03 | Sho_ | iirc gnome does it via protocol handlers in shared-mime |
| 19:17.47 | Sho_ | Hodes: I'm a Fedora user myself, but I know that unlike Fedora Kubuntu has invested some effort into making a netbook edition, so probably Kubuntu |
| 19:17.47 | yates | speaking of mime, that's another thing confusing to me: does the xdg-mime settings affect xdg-open as far as the default browser? |
| 19:18.21 | Sho_ | yates: As you've probably seen KDE's browser settings allow you to pick between a specific app and "an application based on the contents of the URL" |
| 19:18.30 | yates | yes |
| 19:18.44 | Sho_ | yates: if it's the latter, then the HTTP stack determines the MIME type first and then opens with the associated app |
| 19:18.50 | Hodes | Sho_: yes i'm fedora user too...or it is better to choose ubuntu or easypeasy?! |
| 19:19.08 | Sho_ | Hodes: never tried easypeay |
| 19:19.15 | cb400f | it's old and dead |
| 19:19.30 | cb400f | but netbooks are not really different than other laptops |
| 19:19.31 | Hodes | ok |
| 19:19.51 | cb400f | I'd install the same distro I'd normally use |
| 19:20.02 | cb400f | maybe tweak a few things, disable a few services |
| 19:20.18 | Hodes | cb400f: which distro u use= |
| 19:20.20 | Hodes | ? |
| 19:20.24 | cb400f | opensuse |
| 19:20.33 | Sho_ | yates: However, if I remember correctly, Gnome sort of abuses the MIME type system for default apps via x-scheme-handler/foo (where foo is e.g. http) MIME types |
| 19:20.38 | Hodes | ah ok, gnome 3 or kde? |
| 19:20.55 | cb400f | kde naturally.. no reason to insult me ;-) |
| 19:20.58 | Sho_ | yates: Since the MIME type settings are shared between KDE and Gnome today, you should in theory be able t osee and edit x-scheme-handler entries in KDE's file association settings |
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| 19:22.22 | Hodes | i have read a articel that kde netbook is not totaly bug free today?! |
| 19:22.34 | Sho_ | yates: i may be wrong though and it's possible that x-scheme-handler/foo is only used for apps to advertise to gnome that they support foo so they show up in its default apps listings |
| 19:22.39 | thiago | Hodes: nothing is bug-free |
| 19:22.48 | Hodes | thiago: xD |
| 19:22.50 | Sho_ | obviously isn't an expert on what gnome actually does |
| 19:23.07 | cb400f | Hodes: first of all no software is bug free... secondly.. you don't have to use plasma-netbook.. you can use plasma-desktop if you want |
| 19:23.28 | cb400f | .. people running XP on netbooks don't have a problem using a "traditional" desktop ui |
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| 19:23.39 | cb400f | .. and that's 90% of netbook users or so |
| 19:23.47 | Hodes | cb400f: ok thx for all |
| 19:24.14 | Hodes | i have win 7 starter on that netbook, but i'm big fan of fedora kde |
| 19:25.01 | cb400f | I guess win7 for netbooks is using the same ui as win7 on desktops too? |
| 19:25.50 | cb400f | except for the limitations on multitasking or whatever is wrong with that "starter edition" |
| 19:26.14 | Hodes | cb400f: i dont know the difference |
| 19:26.27 | Hodes | but i want to make that netbook dualboot |
| 19:27.24 | cb400f | good idea.. if you like fedora you should stick with that |
| 19:27.45 | cb400f | maybe try plasma-netbook.. if you don't like it.. just tweak plasma-desktop to work well on your netbook |
| 19:28.07 | cb400f | if win7 can be used.. surely plasma-desktop will be usable too |
| 19:28.45 | Hodes | cb400f: kk :) |
| 19:29.49 | yates | thiago: sorry! I had forgotten to change the default browser back to chromium - hence the kde-open was opening firefox... |
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| 19:32.08 | yates | so does anyone have insight on my question regarding thunderbird? |
| 19:32.22 | yates | Sho_: thanks for all that, but i'm afraid you lost me. |
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| 19:32.46 | Sho_ | regarding thunderbird, when i last did that, the protocol-handler-in-js-config-file thing worked |
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| 19:33.06 | yates | (to repeat): another thing that confuses me is this: xdg-open has been around for awhile (i think? hasn't been for at least a couple of years?), so why would something as mature as thunderbird still not have it incorporated |
| 19:33.29 | Sho_ | because Mozilla doesn't really care about the Linux platform, and KDE in particular |
| 19:33.49 | yates | Sho_: why not? |
| 19:34.13 | Sho_ | because the vast majority of their userbase is on Windows and OS X, and their Linux version is built on Gnome technology like GTK+ |
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| 19:34.27 | yates | hmmm. |
| 19:34.39 | Sho_ | that said, they've also always integrated poorly into Gnome |
| 19:34.55 | Sho_ | technically they use their own UI toolkit called XUL, which merely happens to have a GTK+ backend |
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| 19:35.12 | yates | do you suggest kmail then? or is evolution also reasonable under kde? |
| 19:35.18 | Sho_ | i.e. instead of using actual GTK+ widgets, it calls into GTK+ to render widgets itno pixmaps and then textures its own widgets with the pixmaps |
| 19:35.33 | Sho_ | which is fairly lossy in terms of actually supporting GTK+ theming oroperly |
| 19:35.35 | yates | Sho_: really? that sounds horribly inefficient |
| 19:35.43 | Sho_ | they also took forever to adopt shared MIME |
| 19:35.54 | Sho_ | and still don't support it properly, afair |
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| 19:36.04 | yates | we were using evolution, but then switched some years ago... |
| 19:36.34 | yates | wow, well thanks for all that insight. i didn't know mozilla has been such a bunch of turds. |
| 19:36.41 | Sho_ | I've never used Evolution, so I can't comment on it |
| 19:37.18 | yates | do have a suggestion on an email client? |
| 19:37.57 | cb400f | what's your kde version? |
| 19:38.04 | yates | 4.6.0 |
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| 19:38.26 | cb400f | you should prolly go with Thunderbird then |
| 19:38.46 | cb400f | kde sc 4.7 introduced huuuuge changes to kmail and co. |
| 19:39.03 | Wojtulas | hi, how can i delete rosa icon and install normal icon to taskbar? |
| 19:39.06 | cb400f | so if you start using kmail in 4.6 you'll have a big, painful migration ahead of you |
| 19:39.15 | Sho_ | well, I'd love to recommend KMail obviously, but the truth is that KMail in KDE 4 has been somewhat problematic up until now, because the PIM team made the strategic mistake of both trying to port the old KMail to Qt4/KDE4 and implement a next-gen KMail simultaneously, so from KDE 4.0-4.6 you have a haphazardly ported old KMail with problems and in KDE 4.7 you have the debut version of KMail 2 with its own set of "it's new" problems; KMail 4.8 should rock, but with prior |
| 19:39.16 | Sho_ | versions YMMV |
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| 19:39.27 | cb400f | and the stuff in 4.7 is still quite immature and rough |
| 19:39.46 | cb400f | so use thunderbird for now.. then switch to kmail in 6-12 monhts :-) |
| 19:39.54 | yates | Sho_: when is 4.8 coming? |
| 19:40.00 | cb400f | january |
| 19:40.13 | cb400f | or early february |
| 19:40.15 | Wojtulas | how can i delete rosa icon and install normal icon to taskbar? |
| 19:40.26 | cb400f | http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules |
| 19:40.27 | yates | actually i just ran kmail - looks damned good so far |
| 19:40.38 | yates | i love the font selections - very compact |
| 19:40.58 | yates | and my browser problem went away... |
| 19:41.07 | Sho_ | :) |
| 19:41.18 | cb400f | well.. don't say I didn't warn you.. if you start using kmail 1.x now you'll have pain coming at you soon |
| 19:41.35 | yates | cb400f: so i can't even try it out? |
| 19:41.38 | Sho_ | cb400f: if he goes from 4.6 directly to 4.8 the migrator has a lot of improvements in 4.8 though |
| 19:42.00 | cb400f | yates: sure.. just don't spend ages configuring filters and importing hundred thousands of e-mails.. that's all I'm saying |
| 19:42.31 | yates | do the kmail versions track the overall kde version? i.e., is kmail 4.8 only going to be available with kde 4.8? |
| 19:42.45 | cb400f | at least if you do so... be prepared that you might have to do it all over again in a few months |
| 19:42.56 | yates | oh, wait - doh. |
| 19:43.02 | yates | kmail version is totally different |
| 19:43.26 | yates | Sho_: so you're referring to kde version 4.6 to 4.8, which would include the new 2.x kmail? |
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| 19:43.38 | cb400f | yes, but kmail is part of kde sc... so a new feature release only happens every 6 months along with the rest of kde sc |
| 19:43.50 | yates | kde sc? what's the "sc"? |
| 19:44.13 | cb400f | (with the exception of kdepim 4.6.4/5.. but that's the exception that confirms the rule) |
| 19:44.13 | cb400f | software compilation |
| 19:44.36 | cb400f | the "main" "official" parts of kde which get released every 6 months |
| 19:44.50 | Sho_ | yates: Actually KDE SC 4.7 was the first with KMail2 |
| 19:45.12 | yates | ah. |
| 19:45.35 | yates | i suppose you can get more bleeding edge by compiling from git repo or somesuch? |
| 19:45.38 | Sho_ | yates: SC (= Software Collection) is an informal moniker for the set of libraries, workspaces and apps that get released together every six month |
| 19:45.47 | cb400f | yates: you're on opensuse? |
| 19:45.51 | yates | Sho_: ah - ok. thanks! |
| 19:45.54 | yates | cb400f: yes. |
| 19:46.07 | yates | 11.4 |
| 19:46.10 | yates | Linux randy 2.6.37.6-0.7-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT 2011-07-21 02:17:24 +0200 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:46.31 | cb400f | I guessed from your kde version.. so there are unsupported repos availble with kde sc 4.7.x .. and also trunk/master/4.8 |
| 19:46.42 | yates | GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-suse-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.22.1) of 2011-02-22 on build34 |
| 19:46.46 | yates | :) |
| 19:46.52 | yates | cb400f: aren't you from #emacs? |
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| 19:47.17 | cb400f | nope.. but I hang in #gnu and #fsf .. guess that's almost the same :-) |
| 19:47.29 | Sho_ | is actually shamefully on Windows right now, but using KDE's IRC client to chat al lthe same |
| 19:47.38 | yates | Sho_: -2 |
| 19:48.16 | cb400f | yates: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories |
| 19:48.19 | yates | ok, gotta go do some real work instead of sitting on my butt here. thanks for the education/conversation. |
| 19:49.02 | cb400f | opensuse 12.1 is only 1½ month away anyway btw |
| 19:49.07 | yates | cb400f: you said 4.8 was there? do you mean unstable (KDE trunk)? |
| 19:49.15 | cb400f | yes |
| 19:49.29 | cb400f | 4.8 is pre-beta now of cours |
| 19:49.30 | cb400f | e |
| 19:49.32 | yates | right |
| 19:49.38 | yates | good to know, though. |
| 19:50.03 | cb400f | 12.1 will have 4.7.2 |
| 19:50.18 | yates | cb400f: oh! |
| 19:50.36 | Sho_ | the kdepim guys just had a little face-to-face get-together and are working away on a bugfixing and polishing spree |
| 19:50.42 | yates | will i be able to do a "rolling upgrade" from 11.4 to 12.1? |
| 19:50.52 | cb400f | yes |
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| 19:50.59 | yates | very cool - thank you! |
| 19:53.27 | futuresoon | anybody work with nepomuk? the quickstart says find_package(Nepomuk required) in it but i don't see a FindNepomuk.cmake anywhere. i've apt-gotten every plausible development library for nepomuk i could need i think, so what might be happening here? |
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| 20:06.07 | ads | Is there no way to extract the full DOM from konqueror using a script language? |
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| 20:36.23 | BenPA | hi can anyone help with the LCD plamoid starting before the wireless connection |
| 20:36.54 | BenPA | LCD weather plasmoid that is |
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| 20:45.27 | dashavoo | Hey, is there a known issue that involves KDE (apparently) ignoring mouse clicks and failing to either start, or draw, applications? |
| 20:45.57 | dashavoo | I had the problem a couple of times before, but now I have it on every boot, since setting up autologin (because I left my keyboard behind somewhere) |
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| 20:47.41 | zapper_ | hi |
| 20:48.06 | zapper_ | i am having problem with plasma activities and non-kde apps |
| 20:48.42 | zapper_ | i searched on the web for info relating my problem but i couldn't find anything |
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| 20:50.26 | zapper_ | the problem is that if i associate a window of a non-kde app to an activity, an then i stop that activity, kde apps such as konsole kill themselves to free computer resources, but non-kde apps don't stop running |
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| 20:51.48 | zapper_ | and i can still see their processes running from the task manager when I am running another activity after stopping the one contining the non-kde app window |
| 20:52.47 | zapper_ | this is a problem because i use mainly firefox for surfing the web, and i tend to have lots of tabs opened, so it takes a bunch of resources |
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| 20:53.57 | zapper_ | and i was intending to use activities to place firefox on one activity and stop it running when iswitch to my gaming activity, in order to have all the resources available for my games to run |
| 20:54.43 | zapper_ | am i doing something wrong or is this a known bug within plasma activities? |
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| 20:57.06 | dashavoo | enjoyed zapper_'s monologue |
| 20:57.24 | dashavoo | sorry that I have no idea |
| 20:59.38 | zapper_ | dashavoo: I am quite used to writing monologues on irc channels and then waiting for someone to answer LOL |
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| 21:50.30 | home | its so hard to configure kde sc 4.7 |
| 21:53.12 | home | especially virtual desktops |
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| 21:56.43 | home | how the hell do I move icons and switch virtual desktops? |
| 21:57.04 | thiago | Ctrl+F1, Ctrl+F2 |
| 21:59.40 | home | ok :/ |
| 22:00.22 | home | how do I change icons? to be able to move them below/ |
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| 22:05.42 | yates | is there a way to have kde use emacs for its apps, such as kmail |
| 22:05.44 | yates | ? |
| 22:05.53 | thiago | no |
| 22:06.18 | yates | is there a way to configure another editor for such apps? |
| 22:07.39 | thiago | no |
| 22:08.11 | yates | well, ok then. |
| 22:08.28 | yates | surprising, since kde is otherwise quite configurable. |
| 22:08.55 | yates | is this something that's changing in 4.8? |
| 22:08.58 | thiago | no |
| 22:09.07 | thiago | replacing the editor is not easy because the editor is usually extended with further actions |
| 22:09.54 | yates | i'll look for another solution then. thanks thiago. |
| 22:10.02 | home | i am so confused |
| 22:10.07 | home | kde is so hard to configure |
| 22:10.25 | home | i am trying to move the time widget from the left side of the panel to the right side |
| 22:20.03 | DaZ | unlock panels, click on the cashew, drag the time widget? :x |
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| 22:33.40 | dyrvere | hm, who worked on the ntpdate module in KDE? :p Just not sure what I need to do to be able to set ntp. the option is greyed out so I'm guessing it needs a user. |
| 22:36.36 | BenPA | hi can anyone help with the LCD weather plasmoid starting before the wireless connection is there a fix |
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| 22:48.48 | dyrvere | Hey, anyone here doing broadcasting that could suggest a good/sturdy microphone not too expensive which connects through 3.5 stereo plug or if must be, USB? :) |
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| 22:51.24 | N9NU | i own a recording studio.... w |
| 22:51.38 | N9NU | oh....for pc use? |
| 22:51.48 | N9NU | i thought you ment for studio use....my bad |
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| 22:55.55 | ndionisio | good night all |
| 22:58.12 | winut | dyrvere: have a look here http://www.thomann.de/ |
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| 23:00.42 | AriaDesu | or rather, how do I manully change power settings? |
| 23:04.27 | BenPA | hi can anyone help with the LCD weather plasmoid starting before the wireless connection is there a fix |
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